Next on Wikileaks Anarchy Hit List: A US Bank
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Next up on the Wikileaks hit list: a major US bank.
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PT Barnum Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:03:38pm |
Am I a bad person to not feel bad about this particular leak?
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laZardo Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:03:56pm |
re: #2 PT Barnum
Am I a bad person to not feel bad about this particular leak?
If you are, you’re not alone.
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researchok Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:04:55pm |
Well, if people believed banks were secretive before, wait to see how secretive they (and the Fed for that matter) will be now.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:06:43pm |
re: #5 researchok
Well, if people believed banks were secretive before, wait to see how secretive they (and the Fed for that matter) will be now.
I never had a problem with banks… I put money in they pay interest. I borrow money they charge interest. Seems about right.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:06:52pm |
Related Forbes article:
WikiLeaks’ Julian Assange Wants To Spill Your Corporate SecretsYour text to link…
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jaunte Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:07:39pm |
“We have one related to a bank coming up, that’s a megaleak. It’s not as big a scale as the Iraq material, but it’s either tens or hundreds of thousands of documents depending on how you define it,” Assange said in the interview posted on the Forbes website.
I don’t see how Wikileaks has the time and staff to go through that many documents and be sure there isn’t information in them that would be damaging to an innocent person if if was made public.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:08:09pm |
re: #7 Amory Blaine
Related Forbes article:
WikiLeaks’ Julian Assange Wants To Spill Your Corporate SecretsYour text to link…
wow… death wish for sure.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:08:50pm |
I am very dubious about how this is going to achieve ‘reform’, but at least this one doesn’t seem like it’ll put anyone’s lives at risk.
However, I feel like there’s quite enough information out there already about the way that banks operate at the executive level to prompt reform.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:10:07pm |
re: #1 brookly red
/he is a dead man for sure…
I actually think he likely is. If you make the kind of enemies he’s making, you normally wind up dead.
What I’m worried about is the potential economic fallout. We cannot afford a crisis of confidence. Wikileaks must be shut down.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:10:17pm |
If this is good enough, I’ll tell the Saudi secret police I don’t know where Assange is hiding out (assuming they ask).
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Skeetghazi Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:10:23pm |
re: #2 PT Barnum
Am I a bad person to not feel bad about this particular leak?
See, this is the conundrum. Info is good. Even if it’s Govt. info. I’m living with this whole wikileaks thing pretty fine.
All the blather about lives at risk? What this time? A diplomat? Remember Valerie Plame, then complain.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:11:29pm |
re: #11 Dark_Falcon
Seriously, DF, this is what prompts you to say that he must be shut down? Not the potential threats to American soldiers from his previous leak, but possible economic consequences?
We already have a crisis of confidence in the banks. And rightly so.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:11:51pm |
It will be interesting to see what he spills about a big bank.
I just filled out the paperwork to claim damages on an account where the fund owners had admitted to market timing their trades. The settlement was $75 million. Average was $0.003 per share.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:12:34pm |
re: #11 Dark_Falcon
I actually think he likely is. If you make the kind of enemies he’s making, you normally wind up dead.
What I’m worried about is the potential economic fallout. We cannot afford a crisis of confidence. Wikileaks must be shut down.
the real leak will be who is protecting him… IMO.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:12:51pm |
re: #11 Dark_Falcon
It’s not going to be. It lives in a distributed network. Get used to dealing with consequences.
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jordash1212 Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:14:09pm |
The US government must be sighing out of relief right now. The last release heavily damaged their credibility.
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PT Barnum Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:14:17pm |
re: #11 Dark_Falcon
I actually think he likely is. If you make the kind of enemies he’s making, you normally wind up dead.
What I’m worried about is the potential economic fallout. We cannot afford a crisis of confidence. Wikileaks must be shut down.
A crisis of confidence because we find out the banks have been screwing us over even more severely than any of us suspected? Boo fucking hoo.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:14:51pm |
re: #11 Dark_Falcon
I actually think he likely is. If you make the kind of enemies he’s making, you normally wind up dead.
What I’m worried about is the potential economic fallout. We cannot afford a crisis of confidence. Wikileaks must be shut down.
Good luck trying to fight the entire internet. Iif one internet site is shut down that disseminates this information, another will appear.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:15:01pm |
re: #14 Obdicut
Seriously, DF, this is what prompts you to say that he must be shut down? Not the potential threats to American soldiers from his previous leak, but possible economic consequences?
We already have a crisis of confidence in the banks. And rightly so.
Obi, I’ve been saying that site should be shut down for months. The main issue for me is the safety of our troops and national security; The economic angle makes it worse, but its not the key concern.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:15:24pm |
Now information is the enemy of freedom.
Oh brother.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:15:44pm |
re: #14 Obdicut
Seriously, DF, this is what prompts you to say that he must be shut down? Not the potential threats to American soldiers from his previous leak, but possible economic consequences?
We already have a crisis of confidence in the banks. And rightly so.
I’m still enjoying how he doensn’t want bank CEOs to be charged with crimes they’ve committed because apparently liberals are worse man I don’t even know
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celticdragon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:16:15pm |
re: #2 PT Barnum
Am I a bad person to not feel bad about this particular leak?
LOL
I have no ethical problem with screwing over unethical banks.
Maybe a federal prosecuter will find some uses for the data dump.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:16:35pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:16:53pm |
re: #21 PT Barnum
A crisis of confidence because we find out the banks have been screwing us over even more severely than any of us suspected? Boo fucking hoo.
I guess conservatism now means ignoring criminals entirely
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Amory Blaine Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:17:03pm |
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laZardo Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:17:12pm |
re: #27 celticdragon
Assuming he hasn’t been bought off/blackmailed.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:17:14pm |
re: #24 Dark_Falcon
Good. But seriously, a crisis of confidence? We’re already there. The banks already trashed the economy. The metamarkets have proven themselves irresponsible to the point that Alan Greenspan has despaired of them. That ship has sailed a long time ago.
What are the emails going to reveal? That banks don’t give a crap about the nation in their pursuit of wealth? Wow, enormous surprise. That individual executives don’t give a crap about the long-term health of the company? Amazing, never would have guessed. That regulations are met with attempts to subvert, avoid, and negate them? Holy crap!
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CuriousLurker Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:17:15pm |
re: #23 WindUpBird
Good luck trying to fight the entire internet. Iif one internet site is shut down that disseminates this information, another will appear.
Exactly. It’ll be like playing whack-a-mole. (Whack-a-wiki?)
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Interesting Times Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:17:19pm |
re: #10 Obdicut
However, I feel like there’s quite enough information out there already about the way that banks operate at the executive level to prompt reform.
Illegal foreclosures represent the largest seizure of private property ever by banks
Why aren’t the “private property is sacred” free-market types in the least bit bothered by this?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:17:36pm |
re: #10 Obdicut
I am very dubious about how this is going to achieve ‘reform’, but at least this one doesn’t seem like it’ll put anyone’s lives at risk.
However, I feel like there’s quite enough information out there already about the way that banks operate at the executive level to prompt reform.
You’d think American would have had enough of corrupt banks that were on the verge of destroying our entire economy, guess not!
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:18:03pm |
re: #25 Amory Blaine
Military and state secrets are not nefarious by definition, only by abuse. How much advantage would you like our opponents and enemies to have? That would be the natural result.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:18:09pm |
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:18:26pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:18:27pm |
re: #10 Obdicut
I am very dubious about how this is going to achieve ‘reform’, but at least this one doesn’t seem like it’ll put anyone’s lives at risk.
None of the other stuff was any sort of revelation to the people whose job it is to know our secrets, but that’s not real popular to point out.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:18:35pm |
re: #32 Obdicut
Can I interest you in some gold, Sir?
///
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b_sharp Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:19:20pm |
re: #2 PT Barnum
Am I a bad person to not feel bad about this particular leak?
Yes, but all the best folks are heading for hell. See you there.
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jordash1212 Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:19:32pm |
re: #37 Rightwingconspirator
I don’t think it’s the contents of the leaks (with regards to the Iraq and diplomatic cables) that are damaging. It’s the loss in credibility to American intelligence.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:19:42pm |
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PhillyPretzel Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:19:43pm |
re: #42 Floral Giraffe
Gold Spot price is $1369 troy oz
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Amory Blaine Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:19:47pm |
re: #39 brookly red
I’m referring to bankers. If I wasn’t clear.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:20:16pm |
re: #47 PhillyPretzel
Gold Spot price is $1369 troy oz
Are you also surprised there isn’t a band named Troy Ounce?
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:20:21pm |
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:20:56pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:21:09pm |
re: #34 publicityStunted
Illegal foreclosures represent the largest seizure of private property ever by banks
Why aren’t the “private property is sacred” free-market types in the least bit bothered by this?
Only THEIR private property is sacred, you see 8-) Just like only THEIR bedroom and their medical privacy is sacred, others, not so much!
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:21:11pm |
re: #47 PhillyPretzel
Gold Spot price is $1369 troy oz
When I first started paying attention to commodity prices, gold was at $600 an ounce. It wasn’t all that long ago.
Gold bugs spread fear.
RAND PAUL.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:21:42pm |
re: #32 Obdicut
Wait and see. Most wikileaks are crap we know. But the possibility exists it will out facts far stronger than what we now know.
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jordash1212 Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:21:44pm |
re: #57 PhillyPretzel
Can you guess who is investing in gold?
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celticdragon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:22:31pm |
re: #34 publicityStunted
Illegal foreclosures represent the largest seizure of private property ever by banks
Why aren’t the “private property is sacred” free-market types in the least bit bothered by this?
Because Dick Armey and Freedomworks said that real ‘Merican Patriots should spit on scofflaws who can’t renegotiate their fucked up paperwork with banks who made bad faith loans that they bet against on the side…cause banks are the Real ‘Merica!!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:23:14pm |
re: #41 celticdragon
Careful with that. Charles deleted one of my posts where I stepped over the line regarding Wikileaks’ founder. I don’t want you getting in trouble.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:23:49pm |
re: #34 publicityStunted
Illegal foreclosures represent the largest seizure of private property ever by banks
Why aren’t the “private property is sacred” free-market types in the least bit bothered by this?
why do we believe that they’re not?
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:24:19pm |
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:24:28pm |
re: #55 Floral Giraffe
Big article in the Financial Times Friday about how the GLD (buy paper representing gold!) and the gold ETF’s took the market way up and have amplified the risk.
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moose9t9 Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:24:43pm |
Hi,
I’m new here, I’ve been following the discussion here at LGF for a long time now. I enjoy the civil discussion and also the fact that conservatives are capable of having independent thought (you guys have no idea how refreshing this is).
As far as the topic is concerned, I’m of two minds; on one hand Assange needs to calm down for a while and on the other I’m thinking this is what happens when the press fails, radicals fill the void and this is what we are witnessing. Until the press wakes up and starts doing their job we are stuck with this, better or worse.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:25:22pm |
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Amory Blaine Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:25:25pm |
re: #37 Rightwingconspirator
Military and state secrets are not nefarious by definition, only by abuse. How much advantage would you like our opponents and enemies to have? That would be the natural result.
I haven’t seen a whole lot of damaging info. Embarrassing yes. But who is leaking these documents? Low level bureaucrats? High level lawmakers?
Most of the shit I’ve seen revealed so far should have been vetted long ago by the press. However they appear to have checked out for good.
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celticdragon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:26:05pm |
re: #62 Dark_Falcon
Careful with that. Charles deleted one of my posts where I stepped over the line regarding Wikileaks’ founder. I don’t want you getting in trouble.
It is an honest opinion, and of course Charles is entirely within his rights to remove it if he sees fit. This is his playground, and I won’t be offended if he thinks it is out of bounds.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:26:28pm |
re: #67 jordash1212
Specifically the Chinese.
well they have so many treasury notes I guess they feel the need to diversify…
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webevintage Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:26:41pm |
re: #20 jordash1212
The US government must be sighing out of relief right now. The last release heavily damaged their credibility.
I guess if you are Sarah Palin it did….
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:26:49pm |
re: #64 brookly red
people with cash?
People from India invest in gold. India buys far more gold than the US .
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engineer cat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:27:26pm |
well, this is all like the flip side of the ethics of lying
a “little white lie”, like saying “you look wonderful” when the person really doesn’t is considered good. if they are lying by saying “of course i’ll honor our agreement”, when they never intend to, then obviously that is bad
the diplomatic leaks are like revealing the falsehood of the first lie; perhaps the bank leaks will be more like revealing the falsehood of the second lie
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:27:33pm |
re: #46 WindUpBird
An emotion that obscures. DF had a good point-Wiki destabilizes. The SEC or whatever official body can out facts as part of an indictment or regulatory action in a way that stabilizes the very same situation.
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celticdragon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:27:42pm |
re: #66 moose9t9
Hi,
I’m new here, I’ve been following the discussion here at LGF for a long time now. I enjoy the civil discussion and also the fact that conservatives are capable of having independent thought (you guys have no idea how refreshing this is).
As far as the topic is concerned, I’m of two minds; on one hand Assange needs to calm down for a while and on the other I’m thinking this is what happens when the press fails, radicals fill the void and this is what we are witnessing. Until the press wakes up and starts doing their job we are stuck with this, better or worse.
The MSM has been beat over the head with “librul lamestream” BS for a generation, and they have stopped being watchdogs and instead have become cheerleaders.
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moose9t9 Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:27:55pm |
another question: how come wikileaks guy never releases documents from the Zimbabwean defence agancy or the Samoan intelligence?
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:28:33pm |
re: #71 celticdragon
Rule 4 is the 3rd rail here. Srsly.
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jaunte Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:28:41pm |
re: #80 moose9t9
Similarly, this upcoming bank leak is from just one bank, not all the banks that might have been a problem.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:29:13pm |
re: #74 Dark_Falcon
People from India invest in gold. India buys far more gold than the US .
as I have said before I like gold… I bought through the 90’s. It’s kinda high right now so I guess it will go down a bit, unless of course there is a war or something.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:29:29pm |
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PhillyPretzel Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:29:36pm |
re: #80 moose9t9
I have no idea. And Charles provides a spell checker at the bottom.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:29:36pm |
re: #80 moose9t9
another question: how come wikileaks guy never releases documents from the Zimbabwean defence agancy or the Samoan intelligence?
expectations?
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celticdragon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:29:49pm |
re: #80 moose9t9
another question: how come wikileaks guy never releases documents from the Zimbabwean defence agancy or the Samoan intelligence?
He needs a source. It isn’t like anybody would stick up for a butcher like Robert Mugabe…or would be surprised to find out he is every bit as bad as we already know.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:30:07pm |
Glenn Beck will reverse himself and transform Assange from evil Soros terror-tool to heroic internet muckraker, at least as long as Beck can use this pending announcement to hype his incessant goldbuggery.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:30:22pm |
re: #66 moose9t9
Good point. Wikileaks and Jon Stewart. “All the news nobody else wants to cover.”
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jordash1212 Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:30:24pm |
re: #84 brookly red
Estimates say it’ll peak to $1500, possibly $1700 in 2011.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:30:54pm |
re: #59 jordash1212
Can you guess who is investing in gold?
My MIL. She’s also burying it. Not kidding.
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jaunte Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:31:27pm |
re: #88 celticdragon
I guess we won’t see any leaks about tobacco companies, either.
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celticdragon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:31:27pm |
re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist
My MIL. She’s also burying it. Not kidding.
That isn’t real encouraging.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:31:45pm |
re: #80 moose9t9
another question: how come wikileaks guy never releases documents from the Zimbabwean defence agancy or the Samoan intelligence?
Because no one cares what Samoan intelligence knows. Unless it relates to U.S. intelligence.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:31:53pm |
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:32:01pm |
re: #91 jordash1212
Estimates say it’ll peak to $1500, possibly $1700 in 2011.
It might, it might not. I think silver is the better value right now, but hey
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celticdragon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:32:07pm |
re: #93 jaunte
I guess we won’t see any leaks about tobacco companies, either.
The last guy who did had a hell of a time with the blowback.
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Interesting Times Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:33:03pm |
re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist
My MIL. She’s also burying it. Not kidding.
Tell her the circle just won’t be complete unless she also adds ammunition and canned goods to the mix /
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:33:22pm |
re: #94 celticdragon
That isn’t real encouraging.
Well, in her case it’s not exactly investing, she’s just buying gold because it says to on the shows she watches. I figure the burying and leaving maps and such is just entertainment value added. One of these days, we’ll have to give the grandchildren a metal detector and let them run it over the property.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:34:00pm |
re: #100 publicityStunted
Tell her the circle just won’t be complete unless she also adds ammunition and canned goods to the mix /
I’m not giving her any more ideas!
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celticdragon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:34:09pm |
re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist
Because no one cares what Samoan intelligence knows. Unless it relates to U.S. intelligence.
Heh!
Yeah, hard for a US territory to have a seperate intel agency.
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b_sharp Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:34:24pm |
re: #85 Obdicut
Totally OT:
The scale of the universe. Impressive.
[Link: uploads.ungrounded.net…]
Cool toy.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:34:25pm |
re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, in her case it’s not exactly investing, she’s just buying gold because it says to on the shows she watches. I figure the burying and leaving maps and such is just entertainment value added. One of these days, we’ll have to give the grandchildren a metal detector and let them run it over the property.
just make sure they get there before the feds do :)
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:34:31pm |
re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist
Adjusted for inflation, the real record high would be about $2300 an ounce. Maybe $2200.
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jordash1212 Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:34:33pm |
re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist
That might not be safe in the containment zone of the post-nuclear apocalypse!
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laZardo Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:34:35pm |
re: #85 Obdicut
Totally OT:
The scale of the universe. Impressive.
[Link: uploads.ungrounded.net…]
I miss that old 1970s ‘zoom-out and zoom-in’ powers of 10 video.
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celticdragon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:35:15pm |
re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, in her case it’s not exactly investing, she’s just buying gold because it says to on the shows she watches. I figure the burying and leaving maps and such is just entertainment value added. One of these days, we’ll have to give the grandchildren a metal detector and let them run it over the property.
I don’t know whether to laugh or to extend my sympathy to you and your family.
Damn.
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:35:17pm |
re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist
My MIL. She’s also burying it. Not kidding.
Should you have the “counseling & meds” talk with her?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:36:08pm |
re: #77 Rightwingconspirator
An emotion that obscures. DF had a good point-Wiki destabilizes. The SEC or whatever official body can out facts as part of an indictment or regulatory action in a way that stabilizes the very same situation.
Thank you.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:36:16pm |
re: #110 prairiefire
Should you have the “counseling & meds” talk with her?
Yeah. We’ve had it. She’s not having any.
And she’s in mourning, which makes this much, much harder.
I figure, let her go. She’s not investing heavily, she’s buying a coin here and there.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:38:02pm |
I am getting confused here… banks bad & gold bad? wtf?
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PhillyPretzel Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:38:36pm |
The website is a bit busy but they do have some good information on gold and other commodities. [Link: www.kitco.com…]
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jaunte Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:38:56pm |
re: #113 brookly red
Banks gambling on Wall Street instead of loaning money bad.
Gold likely overpriced.
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laZardo Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:39:04pm |
re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah. We’ve had it. She’s not having any.
And she’s in mourning, which makes this much, much harder.
I figure, let her go. She’s not investing heavily, she’s buying a coin here and there.
And she’s burying it? That’s not good…
/ D:
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:40:01pm |
re: #115 jaunte
Banks gambling on Wall Street instead of loaning money bad.
Gold likely overpriced.
They don’t want to loan money until they think the bad debt has been wrung out of the economy.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:40:02pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:40:19pm |
re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist
My MIL. She’s also burying it. Not kidding.
Make sure she draws a map.
While she’s burying it, not from memory later.
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Fozzie Bear Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:40:40pm |
re: #25 Amory Blaine
Now information is the enemy of freedom.
Oh brother.
THIS
You can’t stop leaks, because it is now easy for anyone to widely disseminate information rapidly and anonymously. That’s just how it is. The only possible “remedies” to this phenomenon are chilling to contemplate.
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celticdragon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:41:41pm |
re: #111 Dark_Falcon
O/Y
This weekend I saw some beautiful 3 dimensional paper model proxies of Space Wolf Landraiders in an Apocalypse game I played. Very high quality and nicely detailed. Go check out paperhammer.com…get a membership and download the files from Patoroch Files All Races
The guy is Russian, and his templates are first rate.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:42:04pm |
re: #117 Dark_Falcon
They don’t want to loan money until they think the bad debt has been wrung out of the economy.
The bad debt they created in the first place?
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jordash1212 Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:42:57pm |
It’s kind of interesting to think about just how difficult it actually is to disrupt Wikileaks operation. They have highly encrypted servers located in an old nuclear bunker 30m underground.
Cyber attacks are only partially successful. The last one took the site offline for only a day.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:43:27pm |
Evening lizards!
The 49ers opened a can of whoop ass on the Cardinals so far tonight.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:43:35pm |
re: #114 PhillyPretzel
I link that here and use it at work when the 20 minute delay is not important.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:43:36pm |
re: #120 Fozzie Bear
THIS
You can’t stop leaks, because it is now easy for anyone to widely disseminate information rapidly and anonymously. That’s just how it is. The only possible “remedies” to this phenomenon are chilling to contemplate.
well not really that chilling, members of the military the disclose “secrets” have through out history been dealt with in a rather boring yet predictable way.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:43:55pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:44:32pm |
re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist
My MIL. She’s also burying it. Not kidding.
OOooh! You should design a series of increasingly difficult puzzles, and incorporate them into a treasure map to your MIL’s stash. Sell them for $9. You’ll want to market them to 9-to-12 year-olds who might or might not have seen “The Goonies” (much older than that, and their curiosity and imaginations have probably already been mostly discouraged into oblivion). Imply spooky mysteries and vaguely hazardous adventures. I bet it wouldn’t take too long to make more $ from treasure map sales than you MIL actually stashed away.
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insanity police Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:44:41pm |
Bob Woodward is talking about the controversy on Larry King. He has a relatively sensible take. Government should be more transparent, but there is a more responsible way to deal with classified information than to release it all to the public. You have to be careful because there are real consequences of publishing classified information. Lives can be at risk.
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jaunte Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:44:52pm |
re: #117 Dark_Falcon
I can see their point as a business, but I think they’re taking too much support from the taxpayers without giving enough support back to society through making loans..
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:45:17pm |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:45:24pm |
re: #120 Fozzie Bear
THIS
You can’t stop leaks, because it is now easy for anyone to widely disseminate information rapidly and anonymously. That’s just how it is. The only possible “remedies” to this phenomenon are chilling to contemplate.
nah, you can stop it, at least at a well-run corporation. it just costs money. for example, at my last company, we contemplated imbedding sensitive documents with a unique little sumpin’-sumpin’ so that we would know where a potential leak came from. we didn’t, because we believed that our exposure was too minimal to be worth the cost, but it’s quite possible.
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Fozzie Bear Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:45:40pm |
re: #91 jordash1212
Estimates say it’ll peak to $1500, possibly $1700 in 2011.
It’s a bubble. People never seem to learn.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:45:49pm |
HAY GUYS I GOT AN IDEA
MAYBE BANKS SHOULD ACTUALLY BE REGULATED
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:45:55pm |
re: #121 celticdragon
O/Y
This weekend I saw some beautiful 3 dimensional paper model proxies of Space Wolf Landraiders in an Apocalypse game I played. Very high quality and nicely detailed. Go check out paperhammer.com…get a membership and download the files from Patoroch Files All Races
The guy is Russian, and his templates are first rate.
Favorited. I don’t play 40K, but I have friends who do.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:46:12pm |
re: #133 Aceofwhat?
You can make leaks difficult. You can’t stop them.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:46:36pm |
re: #123 jordash1212
It’s kind of interesting to think about just how difficult it actually is to disrupt Wikileaks operation. They have highly encrypted servers located in an old nuclear bunker 30m underground.
Cyber attacks are only partially successful. The last one took the site offline for only a day.
the same way they would disrupt the operation if he didn’t pay his gambling debts…
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celticdragon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:46:47pm |
re: #135 WindUpBird
HAY GUYS I GOT AN IDEA
MAYBE BANKS SHOULD ACTUALLY BE REGULATED
What kind of a fashist kommey pinqo basturd are ya??!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:46:54pm |
re: #135 WindUpBird
HAY GUYS I GOT AN IDEA
MAYBE BANKS SHOULD ACTUALLY BE REGULATED
They are regulated, WUB, and have been since the 1930’s.
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What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:46:54pm |
re: #130 insanity police
Bob Woodward is talking about the controversy on Larry King. He has a relatively sensible take. Government should be more transparent, but there is a more responsible way to deal with classified information than to release it all to the public. You have to be careful because there are real consequences of publishing classified information. Lives can be at risk.
Listening to Bob Woodward seems to be a good idea.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:46:55pm |
re: #113 brookly red
I am getting confused here… banks bad & gold bad? wtf?
hoarding money is bad. Which is essentially what both banks, and those who invest in gold are doing
Giving in to paranoia, whee!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:47:08pm |
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Skeetghazi Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:47:37pm |
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celticdragon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:47:54pm |
re: #136 Dark_Falcon
Favorited. I don’t play 40K, but I have friends who do.
Oops! I thought you played as well.
Sorry! 8/
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:48:24pm |
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:48:42pm |
re: #140 Dark_Falcon
They weren’t well-regulated enough to prevent their disastrous engagement with risk in the form of the credit default swaps and other insane financial instruments.
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b_sharp Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:48:53pm |
re: #135 WindUpBird
HAY GUYS I GOT AN IDEA
MAYBE BANKS SHOULD ACTUALLY BE REGULATED
Way too radical.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:50:03pm |
re: #124 NJDhockeyfan
Evening lizards!
The 49ers opened a can of whoop ass on the Cardinals so far tonight.
i’ve been saying it to anyone who will listen…i wasn’t surprised that Ohio State got hosed by Florida back in 2006, but Troy Smith can play.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:50:04pm |
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Skeetghazi Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:50:35pm |
re: #149 Aceofwhat?
i’ve been saying it to anyone who will listen…i wasn’t surprised that Ohio State got hosed by Florida back in 2006, but Troy Smith can play.
Hey! I’m paying attention now.
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:50:54pm |
re: #147 Obdicut
They weren’t well-regulated enough to prevent their disastrous engagement with risk in the form of the credit default swaps and other insane financial instruments.
It was like gambling on another table at the other side of the casino. They couldn’t even be bothered to read the cards.
A break down in regulations and scruples.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:50:57pm |
re: #140 Dark_Falcon
They are regulated, WUB, and have been since the 1930’s.
yeah, maybe you should check out what Phill Gramm and Bill Clinton, and god knows how many other people UNREGULATED regarding the banking sector.
Which, you know, led us to the marvelous pile of shit we’re in right now.
Instead of talking points, learn what credit default swap markets are. learn how consolidation of different financial sectors creates massive manipulative conflicts of interest.
Instead of GOP boilerplate, learn about what caused the crash, and how that bad debt was created. Read books and learn from people who know their stuff, instead of talk radio heads and partisan pundits.
if you think banks are properly regulated? As of now? After what we’ve seen? If you think what just happened to us is acceptable? Then I seriously have no idea how to communicate with you.
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Skeetghazi Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:51:05pm |
re: #149 Aceofwhat?
i’ve been saying it to anyone who will listen…i wasn’t surprised that Ohio State got hosed by Florida back in 2006, but Troy Smith can play.
Oh, and I was there. Drove 6 hours without tickets. Ah what a time we had.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:51:27pm |
re: #146 Killgore Trout
Socialism!
Remember! Liberals are more evil than corrupt banks!
because talking points taste like candy!
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celticdragon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:51:43pm |
re: #147 Obdicut
They weren’t well-regulated enough to prevent their disastrous engagement with risk in the form of the credit default swaps and other insane financial instruments.
I love the bit where mathmaticians and physicists have been lured from other indutries to dream up insanely Byzantine derivative formulas in banks.
We used to be a country that made things. Now, one quarter of our GDP earning is in manipulating currency in ways that 99.9998% of the population cannot possibly comprehend.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:51:48pm |
re: #147 Obdicut
Actually they were. But in efforts to soften the blows of past recessions and progressive minded efforts to give more people access to investing & mortgages the rules were softened. Removed. Decried as hindrances to the average guy getting in the market. One bit at a time. One recession at a time.
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:51:51pm |
re: #147 Obdicut
They weren’t well-regulated enough to prevent their disastrous engagement with risk in the form of the credit default swaps and other insane financial instruments.
Ding, ding, ding. Worthless Capitalists.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:52:16pm |
re: #154 WindUpBird
The deregulation didn’t actually directly or indirectly lead to what we’re in now. Rather, it was ever-present under-regulation and non-regulation, combined with a largely toothless SEC.
You can’t deregulate what you never regulated.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:52:29pm |
right now I am liking the entertainment & energy sectors… and unfortunately I also see growth (although maybe not domestic) in defense.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:52:43pm |
re: #137 Obdicut
You can make leaks difficult. You can’t stop them.
that is very true. the most that a company can do is to create the perception that significant leaks can and will be traced, which won’t stop someone who has decided to breach the walls. in the case of a whistleblower, i support very strong protections against retaliation. in the case of a felchard, well, part of being a good management team is knowing who to trust in the first place.
but you’re right. a disincentive is not the same as a bar.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:53:18pm |
re: #160 Obdicut
The deregulation didn’t actually directly or indirectly lead to what we’re in now. Rather, it was ever-present under-regulation and non-regulation, combined with a largely toothless SEC.
You can’t deregulate what you never regulated.
point taken :D
Though this: [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
i was given to understand played a significant role
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:53:28pm |
re: #154 WindUpBird
Instead of GOP boilerplate, learn about what caused the crash, and how that bad debt was created.
EVERYBODY KNOWS IT WAS BCUZ THE GOVT FORCED MORTGAGE BROKERS TO ENCOURAGE POOR PEOPLE TO TAKE OUT MORTGAGES THEY COULDN’T AFFORD/
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:53:48pm |
re: #158 Rightwingconspirator
No, I’m sorry, that is not true. The recession didn’t happen because of progressive-minded efforts to get poor people mortgages. Absolutely not true. The crash did not come about because of anything to do with the average guy, but because of arcane financial instruments that did not factor risk.
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insanity police Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:53:48pm |
I thought all those secret e-mails and messages were supposed to self destruct!
/I get all my knowledge from movies. =)
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:54:00pm |
re: #156 WindUpBird
Remember! Liberals are more evil than corrupt banks!
because talking points taste like candy!
…And salad bars are tyranny!
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Amory Blaine Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:54:08pm |
re: #157 celticdragon
I love the bit where mathmaticians and physicists have been lured from other indutries to dream up insanely Byzantine derivative formulas in banks.
We used to be a country that made things. Now, one quarter of our GDP earning is in manipulating currency in ways that 99.9998% of the population cannot possibly comprehend.
Amazing.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:54:10pm |
re: #158 Rightwingconspirator
Actually they were. But in efforts to soften the blows of past recessions and progressive minded efforts to give more people access to investing & mortgages the rules were softened. Removed. Decried as hindrances to the average guy getting in the market. One bit at a time. One recession at a time.
wow, a talking point!
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:54:17pm |
re: #159 prairiefire
That is not to say that all Capitalists are worthless. Take myself, for example.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:54:26pm |
re: #165 Obdicut
No, I’m sorry, that is not true. The recession didn’t happen because of progressive-minded efforts to get poor people mortgages. Absolutely not true. The crash did not come about because of anything to do with the average guy, but because of arcane financial instruments that did not factor risk.
what risk?
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celticdragon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:54:42pm |
Good night scaly friends. I got an A- on my paper in Social History, but geology is lurking for tomorrow. See you all after class later.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:55:07pm |
re: #152 Stanley Sea
Hey! I’m paying attention now.
Ha! They just mentioned, a few minutes ago, how Ginn blew past Florida on that first play and then his cerebral teammates jumped on his ankle while celebrating.
Florida was going to win anyway, but Ginn was central to Ohio State’s offensive plan. When he went down, so did their last prayer.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:55:07pm |
re: #154 WindUpBird
Why did these rules fade away? To end recessions past. To get the economy growing. And to get untrained uneducated rubes in the market under the progressive banner, without hindrances like saved uncommitted funds to pay the bills for 90 days. Remember that rule? You used to have to prove that to be allowed to buy stock.
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BishopX Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:55:08pm |
re: #154 WindUpBird
I highly recommend How Markets Fail, written by John Cassidy, it’s a good summary of assumptions used in economics over the last 250 years, and how they can be…problematic… in the contex of modern banking.
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Skeetghazi Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:55:23pm |
re: #164 negativ
EVERYBODY KNOWS IT WAS BCUZ THE GOVT FORCED MORTGAGE BROKERS TO ENCOURAGE POOR PEOPLE TO TAKE OUT MORTGAGES THEY COULDN’T AFFORD/
God I hate that class war BS.
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:55:25pm |
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:55:41pm |
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celticdragon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:55:41pm |
re: #164 negativ
EVERYBODY KNOWS IT WAS BCUZ THE GOVT FORCED MORTGAGE BROKERS TO ENCOURAGE POOR PEOPLE TO TAKE OUT MORTGAGES THEY COULDN’T AFFORD/
You forgot to work in a screed against teh homos and illegal Mexican migrat workers…
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laZardo Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:55:49pm |
re: #171 prairiefire
That is not to say that all Capitalists are worthless. Take myself, for example.
More harm than good in today’s society. Then again, socialism was supposed to emerge from capitalism (and not feudalism, which exemplified many typical examples of said ‘socialism’ in the last century.)
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Fozzie Bear Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:55:53pm |
re: #157 celticdragon
I love the bit where mathmaticians and physicists have been lured from other indutries to dream up insanely Byzantine derivative formulas in banks.
We used to be a country that made things. Now, one quarter of our GDP earning is in manipulating currency in ways that 99.9998% of the population cannot possibly comprehend.
That value is made either, it is taken from the rest of the economy. When your financial sector is 25% of your economy, you have a huge fucking problem.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:56:04pm |
re: #160 Obdicut
Ever present? As in since the 1940’s?
Not really.
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jaunte Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:56:36pm |
re: #165 Obdicut
No, I’m sorry, that is not true. The recession didn’t happen because of progressive-minded efforts to get poor people mortgages. Absolutely not true. The crash did not come about because of anything to do with the average guy, but because of arcane financial instruments that did not factor risk.
I never have understood how a bag of eight good tomatoes and two bad ones could turn into a good bag of tomatoes just because it was traded a few times.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:56:40pm |
re: #175 Rightwingconspirator
Why did these rules fade away? To end recessions past. To get the economy growing. And to get untrained uneducated rubes in the market under the progressive banner, without hindrances like saved uncommitted funds to pay the bills for 90 days. Remember that rule? You used to have to prove that to be allowed to buy stock.
This was not signed during a recession: [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:57:08pm |
re: #145 celticdragon
Oops! I thought you played as well.
Sorry! 8/
You still did good, because my friends can use the link. Thank you for it.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:57:10pm |
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:58:43pm |
re: #180 Obdicut
Exactly what they said.
OK, forgive me if I don’t hire you as my financial advisor… it’s nothing personal I assure you.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:58:45pm |
re: #155 Stanley Sea
Oh, and I was there. Drove 6 hours without tickets. Ah what a time we had.
That is so cool. We were living in Chicago. I remember sitting in the great room (gotta love the vaulted-ceiling great rooms in Chicago condos) thinking ‘wow’ during the return, and then immediately ‘wow’ when he didn’t get up.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:59:23pm |
re: #171 prairiefire
That is not to say that all Capitalists are worthless. Take myself, for example.
When people invest in things they don’t understand, bad things happen.
“Bulls get something,
Bears get something,
Pigs get nothing”
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:59:33pm |
re: #187 WindUpBird
No that fell under giving the common man access to the markets via those new merged firms. And lining bankers pockets whilst flying the flag mentioned.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:59:37pm |
re: #189 Rightwingconspirator
One or two of many contributory facts.
Might want to respond to Ob’s 165
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jaunte Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:59:49pm |
Gift idea: All the Devils Are Here: The Hidden History of the Financial Crisis
[Link: www.amazon.com…]
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 6:59:50pm |
re: #181 celticdragon
You forgot to work in a screed against teh homos and illegal Mexican migrat workers…
That last is hopefully on the way out. The failure of Sharon Angle and Tom Tancredo, and the victory of Marco Rubio proves the need for the GOP to reach out to Latinos.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:00:01pm |
I’ve been keeping my head down for most of this debate since this Wikileaks things is complicated…
So let me say this…..
I Hope that only good things come from the revelation of the documents, though that is probably an empty hope, and if bad things come I hope that they are small and not life ending/life wrecking…
I also feel I would need to do a lot of reading on both what Wikileaks actually leaked, and what it relates to, before I could take a stance with any confidence on this issue… so yeah I’ll probably go back to lurking now.
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Fozzie Bear Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:00:03pm |
re: #175 Rightwingconspirator
Why did these rules fade away? To end recessions past. To get the economy growing. And to get untrained uneducated rubes in the market under the progressive banner, without hindrances like saved uncommitted funds to pay the bills for 90 days. Remember that rule? You used to have to prove that to be allowed to buy stock.
So, only people who already have significant cash savings should be allowed to invest for retirement? Are you nuts?
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:00:04pm |
re: #192 Floral Giraffe
When people invest in things they don’t understand, bad things happen.
“Bulls get something,
Bears get something,
Pigs get nothing”
bingo!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:01:00pm |
re: #193 Rightwingconspirator
No that fell under giving the common man access to the markets via those new merged firms. And lining bankers pockets whilst flying the flag mentioned.
Funny, it seems to me that it was far far more about consolidating power than the common man anything!
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Skeetghazi Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:01:21pm |
re: #190 brookly red
OK, forgive me if I don’t hire you as my financial advisor… it’s nothing personal I assure you.
How’s the job search?
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reine.de.tout Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:01:22pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:01:24pm |
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:01:30pm |
re: #165 Obdicut
It was a symptom of the illness not “the” cause. And it did get lots of people into housing in the worst ways.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:02:07pm |
re: #200 WindUpBird
I speak to the presentation or spin of the day about it.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:02:23pm |
re: #196 Dark_Falcon
That last is hopefully on the way out. The failure of Sharon Angle and Tom Tancredo, and the victory of Marco Rubio proves the need for the GOP to reach out to Latinos.
Marco Rubio was also the man who compared teaching evolution to what Castro did in Cuba and how it was designed to break down trust among families….
Maybe the GOP needs to work on reaching out to scientists/scientifically literate or is that already a lost cause?
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Fozzie Bear Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:02:33pm |
re: #204 Rightwingconspirator
It was a symptom of the illness not “the” cause. And it did get lots of people into housing in the worst ways.
So the symptom caused the disease?
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Skeetghazi Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:02:34pm |
re: #196 Dark_Falcon
That last is hopefully on the way out. The failure of Sharon Angle and Tom Tancredo, and the victory of Marco Rubio proves the need for the GOP to reach out to Latinos.
Rubio reaches out to Cuban Americans. Not Mexican Americans.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:02:35pm |
re: #198 Fozzie Bear
So, only people who already have significant cash savings should be allowed to invest for retirement? Are you nuts?
when I invest for retirement I like to make sure that the retirement I am investing in is my own, I am kinda funny like that.
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BishopX Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:02:52pm |
re: #186 jaunte
You slice them them up real thin, put them on a platter with a little mozzarella and balsamic vinaigrette. Then you sell shares of the rights to the profits of people buying and eating your delicious tomatoes. You then set up a tiered system where some people earn more but take the losses from the bad tomatoes, while other people earn less and take losses on the bad tomatoes only after the first class of people gets wiped out. As long as you set your tiers up accurately you still have 8 good tomatoes and 2 bad ones, but if you’re a little bit off… you are suddenly selling 10 good tomatoes.
Make sense?
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:03:13pm |
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:04:22pm |
I like to invest in things that I can make happen. That is why I enjoy sales so much. It is like a Glliam cartoon on Monty Python. Pry open their heads and make them change their minds.[Link: terrygilliam.com…]
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:05:47pm |
re: #201 Stanley Sea
How’s the job search?
I am letting my agent deal with that… I have a few small projects but I can’t really make a living off of showing people where the went wrong.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:06:39pm |
re: #198 Fozzie Bear
Lots of ways to invest before you buy stocks. But 90 days of bills in the bank means you have the liquidity proportionate to your means to invest without unwise risks. Financial conservative planning and execution. You start by saving. These days interest rates suck, but historically that is rare.
First you save for retirement, then invest part or much of the savings. Otherwise you are just gambling.
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Skeetghazi Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:07:47pm |
re: #213 brookly red
I am letting my agent deal with that… I have a few small projects but I can’t really make a living off of showing people where the went wrong.
Audacity squared.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:08:23pm |
re: #213 brookly red
I am letting my agent deal with that… I have a few small projects but I can’t really make a living off of showing people where the went wrong.
You’re not Captain Hindsight.
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Fozzie Bear Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:08:25pm |
re: #214 Rightwingconspirator
That’s sound advice, and a horrible thing to legislate.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:08:52pm |
re: #214 Rightwingconspirator
Ugggh. No doubt. Interest rates blow right now. Not setting a national priority towards savings that’s for sure.
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Interesting Times Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:09:08pm |
re: #157 celticdragon
We used to be a country that made things. Now, one quarter of our GDP earning is in manipulating currency in ways that 99.9998% of the population cannot possibly comprehend.
I’ve heard it said that commercials are generally aimed at the cognitive level of a 12-year-old. With that in mind, if you can’t explain, in terms comprehensible to a 12-year-old, how a certain activity makes money, that activity either is - or should be - illegal.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:09:27pm |
re: #207 Fozzie Bear
That was one clear exemplar of what was wrong. Just because the wingnuts exaggerate is not good reason to make the opposite error, pretend it was non existent.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:09:45pm |
re: #217 Fozzie Bear
That’s sound advice, and a horrible thing to legislate.
Wait a moment, good ideas that are horrible to make laws about? Its suppose to be the Democrats job to come up with those!
///Wow the economy must be really bad if you’re trying to take *our* job….
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:09:46pm |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:10:07pm |
re: #220 publicityStunted
I’ve heard it said that commercials are generally aimed at the cognitive level of a 12-year-old. With that in mind, if you can’t explain, in terms comprehensible to a 12-year-old, how a certain activity makes money, that activity either is - or should be - illegal.
seriously?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:11:17pm |
re: #220 publicityStunted
I’ve heard it said that commercials are generally aimed at the cognitive level of a 12-year-old. With that in mind, if you can’t explain, in terms comprehensible to a 12-year-old, how a certain activity makes money, that activity either is - or should be - illegal.
That’s laying it on a little thick….
Besides, you try to explain to a 12 year old what a Burlesque show girl does…
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:11:38pm |
re: #220 publicityStunted
I’ve heard it said that commercials are generally aimed at the cognitive level of a 12-year-old. With that in mind, if you can’t explain, in terms comprehensible to a 12-year-old, how a certain activity makes money, that activity either is - or should be - illegal.
buy low, sell high… any 12 year old can get it.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:12:35pm |
re: #226 jamesfirecat
That’s laying it on a little thick…
Besides, you try to explain to a 12 year old what a Burlesque show girl does…
Aren’t they teaching that in the schools now?
//
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Fozzie Bear Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:13:18pm |
re: #228 NJDhockeyfan
Aren’t they teaching that in the schools now?
//
I would have had perfect attendance in high school if that were in the curriculum.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:13:35pm |
re: #207 Fozzie Bear
So the symptom caused the disease?
both. lenders, including lenders implicitly backed by the government, were encouraged to make loans that never should have been made. the same activity was hedged far out of proportion of Wall Street’s ability to understand the risks, with the whole enchilada resting on the absurd notion that real estate prices wouldn’t crest anytime soon.
kaboom.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:13:38pm |
re: #228 NJDhockeyfan
Aren’t they teaching that in the schools now?
//
yes and New Jersey leads the nation in varsity pole dancing!
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:13:48pm |
re: #229 Fozzie Bear
I would have had perfect attendance in high school if that were in the curriculum.
12 Years old would be middle school actually…
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:13:52pm |
re: #208 Stanley Sea
Rubio reaches out to Cuban Americans. Not Mexican Americans.
You’d be surprised. He did better among non-Cuban Latinos than any other GOP candidate. He does appeal to Dominicans, and other Caribbean Latinos, but he was not hostile to Mexicans and di not engage in the vile race-baiting seen elsewhere.
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Interesting Times Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:15:01pm |
re: #226 jamesfirecat
Besides, you try to explain to a 12 year old what a Burlesque show girl does…
It would probably seem tame compared to Internet porn they’ve seen… o_O
Granted, I’m exaggerating for effect, but consider this - LVQ can distill complex scientific concepts down to a layman’s level, but credit default swaps and derivative formulas are so horrendously complex it’s next to impossible to do the same thing with them. Isn’t that a recipe at some level, for seriously bad things to happen?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:15:20pm |
re: #233 Dark_Falcon
You’d be surprised. He did better among non-Cuban Latinos than any other GOP candidate. He does appeal to Dominicans, and other Caribbean Latinos, but he was not hostile to Mexicans and di not engage in the vile race-baiting seen elsewhere.
He also ran in Florida… is there much of a vile race baiting anti-Mexican sentiment to appeal to in Florida?
Sorry but I feel it has to be asked if he wasn’t just doing the political thing and figuring out what opinions would help get him elected…
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:15:21pm |
re: #231 brookly red
yes and New Jersey leads the nation in varsity pole dancing!
Hell yeah!
Explains why there is such a high number of strip joints in NJ.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:15:22pm |
re: #187 WindUpBird
Between that post and the downding above I could get the impression you are unhappy with any mention of any downside consequence of progressive efforts to get the average guy in the stock and home market. ?
Or have I misunderstood you?
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:16:20pm |
re: #165 Obdicut
No, I’m sorry, that is not true. The recession didn’t happen because of progressive-minded efforts to get poor people mortgages. Absolutely not true. The crash did not come about because of anything to do with the average guy, but because of arcane financial instruments that did not factor risk.
I agree. The “crash” happened, because people ASSUMED that what they were buying would increase in value. And they bought into those increased expectations, and when the market tanked, they could not afford what they had purchased.
You want to see some HIDEOUS market swings?
Google Las Vegas Housing Prices.
Beyound fugly.
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Skeetghazi Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:16:21pm |
re: #233 Dark_Falcon
You’d be surprised. He did better among non-Cuban Latinos than any other GOP candidate. He does appeal to Dominicans, and other Caribbean Latinos, but he was not hostile to Mexicans and di not engage in the vile race-baiting seen elsewhere.
hmmmm. His better among non-Cuban Latinos was what 11%?
Dude is a Christianist, AGW denier, back to the stone age GOP. His heritage got him where he is, but damn, he’s the backwards GOP.
ugh.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:16:51pm |
re: #235 publicityStunted
It would probably seem tame compared to Internet porn they’ve seen… o_O
Granted, I’m exaggerating for effect, but consider this - LVQ can distill complex scientific concepts down to a layman’s level, but credit default swaps and derivative formulas are so horrendously complex it’s next to impossible to do the same thing with them. Isn’t that a recipe at some level, for seriously bad things to happen?
nah. one can understand the fundamentals of credit default swaps just as one can understand the fundamentals of a greenhouse effect. that is not to say that either can be calculated precisely by a layman.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:17:20pm |
re: #235 publicityStunted
It would probably seem tame compared to Internet porn they’ve seen… o_O
Granted, I’m exaggerating for effect, but consider this - LVQ can distill complex scientific concepts down to a layman’s level, but credit default swaps and derivative formulas are so horrendously complex it’s next to impossible to do the same thing with them. Isn’t that a recipe at some level, for seriously bad things to happen?
That doesn’t mean we should illegalize every activity that we can’t explain to teenagers….
Lets legislate on a case by case basis rather than blanket level of complexity…
I mean could a nuclear physicist explain their job to a 12 year old?
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:18:28pm |
re: #165 Obdicut
From another angle-
Lots of straws broke that Camels back. Which one was the last one is both irrelevant and the fuel of many memes. Useless memes.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:18:45pm |
re: #240 Stanley Sea
hmmm. His better among non-Cuban Latinos was what 11%?
Dude is a Christianist, AGW denier, back to the stone age GOP. His heritage got him where he is, but damn, he’s the backwards GOP.
ugh.
don’t look at me…i voted for Crist!
also, thank Meeks. dude never had a chance, and only served to guarantee Rubio’s win. talk about being a slave to pride…
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:18:55pm |
re: #243 Rightwingconspirator
From another angle-
Lots of straws broke that Camels back. Which one was the last one is both irrelevant and the fuel of many memes. Useless memes.
Default loan is default….
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:19:27pm |
WikiLeaked: John Kerry calls for Israel to cede Golan Heights and East Jerusalem
On a February trip to the Middle East, Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman John Kerry (D-MA) told Qatari leaders that the Golan Heights should be returned to Syria, that a Palestinian capital should be established in East Jerusalem as part of the Arab-Israeli peace process, and that he was “shocked” by what he saw on a visit to Gaza.Kerry discussed the Israeli-Palestinian peace process in a visit to Qatar during separate meetings with Prime Minister Hamad bin Jassim Al Thani and the Emir of Qatar, Hamad bin Khalifa, as revealed by the disclosure of diplomatic cables by the website WikiLeaks.
The emir told Kerry to focus on Syria as the path toward resolution of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Kerry agreed with the emir that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is a man who wants change but pointed out that his arming of Hezbollah and interference in Lebanese politics were unhelpful. Kerry said that Assad “needs to make a bolder move and take risks” for peace, and that he should be “more statesman-like.” Kerry also agreed with the emir that the Golan Heights should be given back to Syria at some point.
“The Chairman added that Netanyahu also needs to compromise and work the return of the Golan Heights into a formula for peace,” the diplomatic cable reported.
As for the peace process, Kerry defended the Obama administration’s drive to use indirect proximity talks (which were only being discussed at that time) as a stepping stone to direct talks between the Israelis and the Palestinians. He said the two sides should first agree on the amount of land to be swapped and then work on borders, followed by settlements.
Kerry also said that final agreement would have to include a Palestinian state with a capital in East Jerusalem.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:19:29pm |
re: #240 Stanley Sea
hmmm. His better among non-Cuban Latinos was what 11%?
Dude is a Christianist, AGW denier, back to the stone age GOP. His heritage got him where he is, but damn, he’s the backwards GOP.
ugh.
No, his share of Non-Cuban Latinos was 38%. Part of that may be than non-Cuban Latinos in Florida have a higher ratio of Caribbean Latinos to Mexican and Central American Latinos than elsewhere, but it is still a healthy number.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:19:44pm |
re: #227 brookly red
buy low, sell high… any 12 year old can get it.
Yes, but how do you know where the “low” or the “high” is?
THAT is the trick!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:20:04pm |
re: #236 jamesfirecat
He also ran in Florida… is there much of a vile race baiting anti-Mexican sentiment to appeal to in Florida?
Sorry but I feel it has to be asked if he wasn’t just doing the political thing and figuring out what opinions would help get him elected…
I think he’s for real on that matter.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:20:24pm |
re: #239 Floral Giraffe
I agree. The “crash” happened, because people ASSUMED that what they were buying would increase in value. And they bought into those increased expectations, and when the market tanked, they could not afford what they had purchased.
You want to see some HIDEOUS market swings?
Google Las Vegas Housing Prices.
Beyound fugly.
OK, OK… so If I buy a car the next year it is worth less… same as any item. So why is does my rent go up every year? The pipes are older, the wiring is older? the unit is worth less than it was a year ago. The rent should go down right?
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:20:46pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:21:06pm |
re: #247 Dark_Falcon
No, his share of Non-Cuban Latinos was 38%. Part of that may be than non-Cuban Latinos in Florida have a higher ratio of Caribbean Latinos to Mexican and Central American Latinos than elsewhere, but it is still a healthy number.
So getting a sprinkling above 1/3rd of non Cuban Latinos is considered a “win” for a GOP candidate these days?
Good luck with that Dark…
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:21:22pm |
Through the magic of song, Drew pulls away the curtain and shows us a behind-the-scenes look at the housing crisis.
BONUS: It has been corroborated by my ex, who has worked in and around the mortgage lending biz for about 15 years.
(side note: if you think Drew is “serious”, then you fail at the Internet)
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:21:27pm |
re: #252 NJDhockeyfan
Major facepalm after reading that article.
heh. i figured. it was slow motion…waaaiiit…nooo…
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:21:49pm |
re: #250 Dark_Falcon
I think he’s for real on that matter.
Then good for him, but until he recants his stance on teaching evolution and admits he was a jackass for saying it I will still think of him as a world class jerk at best….
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:21:56pm |
re: #248 Floral Giraffe
Yes, but how do you know where the “low” or the “high” is?
THAT is the trick!
ahh grasshopper that is when you detach emotion & politics from you decisions.
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Fozzie Bear Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:21:58pm |
If you really want some insight into the type of people who really actively caused the financial crisis, listen to this.
Actually, listen to that show’s archives for a number of incredible in-depth stories on the financial crisis. It’s some of the best journalism being done today, hands down.
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Skeetghazi Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:22:09pm |
re: #246 NJDhockeyfan
Gah, you are behind. I’ve already read where they put this into context and debunked your OMG TRAITOR bullshit. I am too tired to link. Try Media Matters or something.
You guys with your Kerry hate. Amazing.
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:22:18pm |
re: #244 Aceofwhat?
He had the right to run as a Democrat.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:22:25pm |
re: #246 NJDhockeyfan
WikiLeaked: John Kerry calls for Israel to cede Golan Heights and East Jerusalem
John Kerry: Betraying Civilization to Totalitarian Monsters Since 1971.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:22:34pm |
re: #253 jamesfirecat
So getting a sprinkling above 1/3rd of non Cuban Latinos is considered a “win” for a GOP candidate these days?
Good luck with that Dark…
tsk, tsk. learn your florida politics before getting on DF. Crist was immensely popular with Latinos. also not a Democrat.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:23:23pm |
re: #259 Stanley Sea
Gah, you are behind. I’ve already read where they put this into context and debunked your OMG TRAITOR bullshit. I am too tired to link. Try Media Matters or something.
You guys with your Kerry hate. Amazing.
///MEDIA MATTERS IS JUST LIKE A LIBERAL ANDREW BRIETBART BECAUSE THEY TAKE THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT!
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:23:46pm |
re: #239 Floral Giraffe
I agree. The “crash” happened, because people ASSUMED that what they were buying would increase in value. And they bought into those increased expectations, and when the market tanked, they could not afford what they had purchased.
You want to see some HIDEOUS market swings?
Google Las Vegas Housing Prices.
Beyound fugly.
They were fervently assured all would be well. They got to submit “wink and nod” income statements and personal financial data. Second mortgages to create down payments. Low early interest with built in increases-built in the fail.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:23:58pm |
re: #260 prairiefire
He had the right to run as a Democrat.
i would never deny someone their rights. he was within his rights. and Clinton was right, but in a different sense of the word; with Meeks in the race, Rubio was a shoe-in.
i hope his pride was worth it.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:24:04pm |
re: #262 Aceofwhat?
tsk, tsk. learn your florida politics before getting on DF. Crist was immensely popular with Latinos. also not a Democrat.
F***.
Sorry your right.
38% is a pathetic number in regular election, but in a 3 way race it is respectable.
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Skeetghazi Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:24:18pm |
re: #263 jamesfirecat
///MEDIA MATTERS IS JUST LIKE A LIBERAL ANDREW BRIETBART BECAUSE THEY TAKE THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT!
KERRY IS A TRAITOR - THAT WINS EVERYTHING.
Watch.
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:25:14pm |
re: #265 Aceofwhat?
i would never deny someone their rights. he was within his rights. and Clinton was right, but in a different sense of the word; with Meeks in the race, Rubio was a shoe-in.
i hope his pride was worth it.
That’s silly. Try to find someone else to blame for Rubio.
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blueraven Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:26:07pm |
re: #214 Rightwingconspirator
Lots of ways to invest before you buy stocks. But 90 days of bills in the bank means you have the liquidity proportionate to your means to invest without unwise risks. Financial conservative planning and execution. You start by saving. These days interest rates suck, but historically that is rare.
First you save for retirement, then invest part or much of the savings. Otherwise you are just gambling.
Shouldn’t that apply to banks even more than individuals? They are the ones who engaged in the risky behavior… Investments without the collateral.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:26:29pm |
re: #251 brookly red
www.daveramsey dot com
I don’t want to pimp a financial guy.
But, well, he’s awesome in my mind.
I’m not that financially savvy, just (as Reginald would say) a Troll about my interests.Heck, it’s my money, and I want to be in control of it, I do NOT want it to be in control of me. (That sounds like there’s lots of it, au contraire!) Not everything goes down in value, and if you pay, CASH (gasp) for it, you aren’t paying interest. Check out Dave. He could just change your life. He did mine.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:27:05pm |
re: #253 jamesfirecat
So getting a sprinkling above 1/3rd of non Cuban Latinos is considered a “win” for a GOP candidate these days?
Good luck with that Dark…
Yes, that’s a win in Florida. If a GOP candidate in Florida gets around 40% of Latinos to vote for him or her, it is effectively impossible for the Democrat to win, given the voting behavior of the white population of the state (which favors Republicans consistently, with blacks consistently siding with the Democrats) Given Rubio’s Latino support, Meeks had no chance.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:27:17pm |
re: #268 prairiefire
That’s silly. Try to find someone else to blame for Rubio.
Huh. I figured that if Bill Clinton and i were eye-to-eye on something, i could get more than a ‘silly’.
It may or may not be silly. But it is.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:27:32pm |
re: #259 Stanley Sea
Gah, you are behind. I’ve already read where they put this into context and debunked your OMG TRAITOR bullshit. I am too tired to link. Try Media Matters or something.
You guys with your Kerry hate. Amazing.
*smooch*
Tired one…
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Gus Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:27:43pm |
re: #261 Dark_Falcon
John Kerry: Betraying Civilization to Totalitarian Monsters Since 1971.
How dare you slander John Kerry! Don’t you know he’s a Democrat?
//
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What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:27:50pm |
re: #246 NJDhockeyfan
WikiLeaked: John Kerry calls for Israel to cede Golan Heights and East Jerusalem
When was that? I think 2006 or 2007? They don’t say. In fact, I think Kerry retracted a lot of that after. I’ll have to go find it.
Meaning it’s not news.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:28:00pm |
re: #270 Floral Giraffe
www.daveramsey dot com
I don’t want to pimp a financial guy.
But, well, he’s awesome in my mind.
I’m not that financially savvy, just (as Reginald would say) a Troll about my interests.Heck, it’s my money, and I want to be in control of it, I do NOT want it to be in control of me. (That sounds like there’s lots of it, au contraire!) Not everything goes down in value, and if you pay, CASH (gasp) for it, you aren’t paying interest. Check out Dave. He could just change your life. He did mine.
dave is good, rick is better IMO… but dave is good.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:28:12pm |
re: #261 Dark_Falcon
John Kerry: Betraying Civilization to Totalitarian Monsters Since 1971.
Dark lets not go starting this again, or else I’m afraid we’re going to get into a long discussion about some of the things that John McCain did during Vietnam that I don’t feel prepped for and I think would only leave everyone feeling bitter and upset….
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:28:55pm |
re: #277 jamesfirecat
Dark lets not go starting this again, or else I’m afraid we’re going to get into a long discussion about some of the things that John McCain did during Vietnam that I don’t feel prepped for and I think would only leave everyone feeling bitter and upset…
Fine, we’ll drop it.
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What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:28:57pm |
re: #244 Aceofwhat?
don’t look at me…i voted for Crist!
also, thank Meeks. dude never had a chance, and only served to guarantee Rubio’s win. talk about being a slave to pride…
Boo hiss.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:28:59pm |
Weren’t credit default swaps so complicated that they needed the help of the people who created them to contain the crisis? Now when the only people who understand the instruments are the creators, we have serious problems.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:29:11pm |
re: #264 Rightwingconspirator
They were fervently assured all would be well. They got to submit “wink and nod” income statements and personal financial data. Second mortgages to create down payments. Low early interest with built in increases-built in the fail.
Not to mention their comissions.
I have NO SYMPATHY for this industry.
Bad practices brought bad results.
SUCK IT UP.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:29:49pm |
re: #271 Dark_Falcon
Yes, that’s a win in Florida. If a GOP candidate in Florida gets around 40% of Latinos to vote for him or her, it is effectively impossible for the Democrat to win, given the voting behavior of the white population of the state (which favors Republicans consistently, with blacks consistently siding with the Democrats) Given Rubio’s Latino support, Meeks had no chance.
Actually I made a mistake which I already copped to, I forgot it was a 3 way election so 33% is 5% better than he should have done if all parties voted randomly so it’d be like getting 53% or so in a regular election, so yeah I’ll admit Rubio does seem to be able to reach out to Latino voters in that election.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:30:16pm |
re: #275 marjoriemoon
When was that? I think 2006 or 2007? They don’t say. In fact, I think Kerry retracted a lot of that after. I’ll have to go find it.
Meaning it’s not news.
I don’t recall him retracting anything like that. If you find something let me know. That Wikileaks info about Kerry is quite disgusting.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:30:19pm |
re: #277 jamesfirecat
Dark lets not go starting this again, or else I’m afraid we’re going to get into a long discussion about some of the things that John McCain did during Vietnam that I don’t feel prepped for and I think would only leave everyone feeling bitter and upset…
/well he mostly sat in his cell… it doesn’t take much prepping , does it?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:30:35pm |
re: #280 Amory Blaine
Weren’t credit default swaps so complicated that they needed the help of the people who created them to contain the crisis? Now when the only people who understand the instruments are the creators, we have serious problems.
I think I’ve seen this plot in a movie before…
“YOU FOOLS, ONLY I CAN DEACTIVATE MY ULTRA-ATOMIC DOOMSDAY DEVICE!”
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:30:48pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:30:50pm |
re: #264 Rightwingconspirator
They were fervently assured all would be well. They got to submit “wink and nod” income statements and personal financial data. Second mortgages to create down payments. Low early interest with built in increases-built in the fail.
If I had a calculator & a pencil…
Well, I participated in none of this.
God Bless Uncle Bud.
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Skeetghazi Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:31:12pm |
re: #283 NJDhockeyfan
I don’t recall him retracting anything like that. If you find something let me know. That Wikileaks info about Kerry is quite disgusting.
Enjoy your life of Kerry hate.
What a fucking waste.
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What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:31:14pm |
re: #247 Dark_Falcon
No, his share of Non-Cuban Latinos was 38%. Part of that may be than non-Cuban Latinos in Florida have a higher ratio of Caribbean Latinos to Mexican and Central American Latinos than elsewhere, but it is still a healthy number.
But it’s not unusual for Florida Hispanics to vote Republican. In fact, it’s unusual for them to vote Dem.
Cuba immigration has topped off, somewhat. In the last 10-15 years, we’ve had more coming from Central and South Americas and the Caribbean. That’s places like Venezuela, Colombia, Argentina, Dominican Republic, etc. I think those are the conservative votes you’re seeing.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:31:29pm |
re: #279 marjoriemoon
Boo hiss.
AHAAA, there you are! I’ve been waiting for you to slap me since i wrote it.
I know it’s not popular, and i hate to risk the ire of you and Prairiefire, but it is what it is. There was no arrangement of stars, planets, or cosmic forces which would have gotten Meeks within a light-year of winning the race. So, then, what to do?
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:31:33pm |
There’s a Hoopster in the house!
*smooch*
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:31:40pm |
re: #277 jamesfirecat
Dark lets not go starting this again, or else I’m afraid we’re going to get into a long discussion about some of the things that John McCain did during Vietnam that I don’t feel prepped for and I think would only leave everyone feeling bitter and upset…
What’s that? Some sort of Preemptive Tu Quoque? A Magical Balance Fairy of Christmas Future?
:P
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:32:03pm |
re: #282 jamesfirecat
Actually I made a mistake which I already copped to, I forgot it was a 3 way election so 33% is 5% better than he should have done if all parties voted randomly so it’d be like getting 53% or so in a regular election, so yeah I’ll admit Rubio does seem to be able to reach out to Latino voters in that election.
Sorry. I had not seen your post doing so when I put up my post.
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Skeetghazi Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:32:10pm |
re: #288 Stanley Sea
Enjoy your life of Kerry hate.
What a fucking waste.
Oh, and it’s been debunked already. Not on a website you would read tho.
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:32:34pm |
re: #290 Aceofwhat?
AHAAA, there you are! I’ve been waiting for you to slap me since i wrote it.
I know it’s not popular, and i hate to risk the ire of you and Prairiefire, but it is what it is. There was no arrangement of stars, planets, or cosmic forces which would have gotten Meeks within a light-year of winning the race. So, then, what to do?
What to do?? Crist could have gotten out there and won the votes he needed.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:32:38pm |
re: #286 Killgore Trout
What’s wrong with Gordon?
[Video]
in most cases resaturates are bad investments… at least in the long haul.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:32:41pm |
I bet the 9-11 Truthers are digging through all those WL files looking for proof that the government planned the attack and bombed the WTC.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:33:00pm |
re: #283 NJDhockeyfan
I don’t recall him retracting anything like that. If you find something let me know. That Wikileaks info about Kerry is quite disgusting.
i dunno, man. i think that if we look through that crap, we could find bad stuff about everyone. i’d rather keep Assange as the fool and give everyone else, R or D, a pass.
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What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:33:09pm |
re: #265 Aceofwhat?
i would never deny someone their rights. he was within his rights. and Clinton was right, but in a different sense of the word; with Meeks in the race, Rubio was a shoe-in.
i hope his pride was worth it.
Ouch!
Crist should have dropped out as an Independent. He only switched because he lost to Rubio the first time.
Meek would have had a much better chance with Crist.
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blueraven Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:33:09pm |
re: #246 NJDhockeyfan
WikiLeaked: John Kerry calls for Israel to cede Golan Heights and East Jerusalem
I went over this in the last thread…This is a misleading article
here is the actual documents from the guardian
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]
John Kerry never said what that article claims. Some people need to read the source and check it out before they slander.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:33:26pm |
re: #290 Aceofwhat?
AHAAA, there you are! I’ve been waiting for you to slap me since i wrote it.
I know it’s not popular, and i hate to risk the ire of you and Prairiefire, but it is what it is. There was no arrangement of stars, planets, or cosmic forces which would have gotten Meeks within a light-year of winning the race. So, then, what to do?
///Well in theory if there’s one thing the Democrats should have experience at its running away but Meek couldn’t even do that right…
(I also think he should have dropped out we didn’t Schoefazza (or however its spelled) ourselves, but we doubtlessly lost an opprotunity)
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:33:48pm |
re: #288 Stanley Sea
Enjoy your life of Kerry hate.
What a fucking waste.
John Kerry tried to fuck Israel but I’m the bad guy. Got it.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:33:51pm |
re: #293 Dark_Falcon
Sorry. I had not seen your post doing so when I put up my post.
Its okay, threads grow like Kudzu….
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Gus Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:33:54pm |
re: #300 blueraven
I went over this in the last thread…This is a misleading article
here is the actual documents from the guardian
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]
John Kerry never said what that article claims. Some people need to read the source and check it out before they slander.
Ah, I was just reading that.
John Kerry has been vindicated.
Long live John Kerry!
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:34:37pm |
re: #304 Gus 802
Ah, I was just reading that.
John Kerry has been vindicated.
Long live John Kerry!
I still think he’s a putz.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:34:41pm |
re: #295 prairiefire
What to do?? Crist could have gotten out there and won the votes he needed.
yes. that is true.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:34:50pm |
re: #289 marjoriemoon
But it’s not unusual for Florida Hispanics to vote Republican. In fact, it’s unusual for them to vote Dem.
Cuba immigration has topped off, somewhat. In the last 10-15 years, we’ve had more coming from Central and South Americas and the Caribbean. That’s places like Venezuela, Colombia, Argentina, Dominican Republic, etc. I think those are the conservative votes you’re seeing.
I know. That was part of my point: Rubio won votes from those people as well, and his tactics of outreach to increase voter share worked much better than the tactic of riling up the base with xenophobia in hopes of turning them out in greater numbers. That’s a lesson the GOP should learn from.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:35:21pm |
re: #297 NJDhockeyfan
I bet the 9-11 Truthers are digging through all those WL files looking for proof that the government planned the attack and bombed the WTC.
You win the “no prize” I bet they do that in their alphabet soup…
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What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:35:38pm |
re: #283 NJDhockeyfan
I don’t recall him retracting anything like that. If you find something let me know. That Wikileaks info about Kerry is quite disgusting.
It’s not news. I was just reading about it, sometime after the flotilla incident, IIR.
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HoosierHoops Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:35:59pm |
re: #291 Floral Giraffe
There’s a Hoopster in the house!
*smooch*
Hi sweetie! I know nothing about financial stuff.. It’s just too damn complicated…LOL
I’ve been promising myself to balance my checkbook for 20 years…I keep holding off while the bank keeps sending monthly statements..
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:36:23pm |
re: #306 Alouette
I still think he’s a putz.
Course he’s a putz.
If he hadn’t been a putz he would have been able to beat Bush in 2004….
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:36:28pm |
re: #309 jamesfirecat
You win the “no prize” I bet they do that in their alphabet soup…
the joke is there are no numbers in alphabet soup. LOL!
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Skeetghazi Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:36:58pm |
re: #300 blueraven
I went over this in the last thread…This is a misleading article
here is the actual documents from the guardian
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]
John Kerry never said what that article claims. Some people need to read the source and check it out before they slander.
THANK YOU.
But he and his compatriots are not going to read it or think it through. Kerry = Traitor.
Such ultimate bullshit.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:37:08pm |
re: #299 marjoriemoon
Ouch!
Crist should have dropped out as an Independent. He only switched because he lost to Rubio the first time.
Meek would have had a much better chance with Crist.
I think that i’m partly unsympathetic to that argument because i’m partisan (just trying to be honest) and partly because, IIRC, the polls showed something different, which was that Crist v. Rubio would have been much more competitive than Meeks v. Rubio. It passes the smell test, too…Crist siphoned away more R votes than D votes, i think.
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What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:37:15pm |
re: #290 Aceofwhat?
AHAAA, there you are! I’ve been waiting for you to slap me since i wrote it.
I know it’s not popular, and i hate to risk the ire of you and Prairiefire, but it is what it is. There was no arrangement of stars, planets, or cosmic forces which would have gotten Meeks within a light-year of winning the race. So, then, what to do?
I slapped ya twice in fact!
That’s just not true. I mistyped the above… Meek could have had a chance withOUT Crist. Crist should have dropped out.
So there!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:37:22pm |
Fuck it, this looks legit.
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Gus Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:37:49pm |
re: #306 Alouette
I still think he’s a putz.
I was being sarcastic. In other words, it was Amir that said to cede the Golan Heights to Syria. Kerry agreed that it should be part of the negotiations. (cough)
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Skeetghazi Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:38:16pm |
re: #302 NJDhockeyfan
John Kerry tried to fuck Israel but I’m the bad guy. Got it.
ONE TRACK MIND.
You need to read more. You are really caught up in a mindset.
Knowledge = power
Try it.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:38:16pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:39:08pm |
re: #306 Alouette
I still think he’s a putz.
Me too.
A putz married to a rich woman who chooses to indulge him.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:39:14pm |
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:39:46pm |
re: #317 Slumbering Behemoth
Fuck it, this looks legit.
Try it out and then let us know….though…just saying…you might want to update your will first. ;)
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Skeetghazi Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:40:00pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:40:04pm |
re: #316 marjoriemoon
I slapped ya twice in fact!
That’s just not true. I mistyped the above… Meek could have had a chance withOUT Crist. Crist should have dropped out.
So there!
I don’t think so. He would have had to be a much better candidate than he was to win. He would have gotten more votes but he still would not have won. Like him or dislike him, Marco Rubio ran a better campaign than Kendrick Meek.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:40:11pm |
re: #323 Floral Giraffe
Me too.
A putz married to a rich woman who chooses to indulge him.
Wait, putz means brilliant?
//
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:40:13pm |
re: #311 HoosierHoops
Hi sweetie! I know nothing about financial stuff.. It’s just too damn complicated…LOL
I’ve been promising myself to balance my checkbook for 20 years…I keep holding off while the bank keeps sending monthly statements..
LOL!
*smooch*
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:40:49pm |
re: #323 Floral Giraffe
Me too.
A putz married to a rich woman who chooses to indulge him.
//Wait are we talking about John Kerry or John McCcain….
(Sorry that was a low blow and uncalled for…)
| 331 |
Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:41:01pm |
I must get up early to go to work tomorrow. Therefore, I should go to sleep now.
I had my second first day today. So busy I could only glance in once at LGF, while I was eating lunch. The rest of the time I was doing actual work stuff.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:41:13pm |
re: #323 Floral Giraffe
Me too.
A putz married to a rich woman who chooses to indulge him.
every time I want to jump on the hate Kerry wagon I remember that and stand down…
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:41:30pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:41:40pm |
re: #321 Stanley Sea
ONE TRACK MIND.
You need to read more. You are really caught up in a mindset.
Knowledge = power
Try it.
SMART WOMEN ARE SCARY.
Repeat after me…
(And we’re frighteningly cute too!)
KWIM jelly bean?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:41:58pm |
re: #324 Amory Blaine
You go in first and see if you can coax the hugger out. I don’t think I can fit in there.
Maybe just a tentacle.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:41:59pm |
re: #331 Alouette
I must get up early to go to work tomorrow. Therefore, I should go to sleep now.
I had my second first day today. So busy I could only glance in once at LGF, while I was eating lunch. The rest of the time I was doing actual work stuff.
shhh. i should be in bed already…i’m trying to procrastinate here…
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:42:01pm |
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Gus Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:42:06pm |
re: #330 jamesfirecat
//Wait are we talking about John Kerry or John McCcain…
(Sorry that was a low blow and uncalled for…)
One’s ketchup money and the other’s beer money. There’s a joke in there somewhere.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:42:09pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:42:48pm |
re: #331 Alouette
I must get up early to go to work tomorrow. Therefore, I should go to sleep now.
I had my second first day today. So busy I could only glance in once at LGF, while I was eating lunch. The rest of the time I was doing actual work stuff.
HOORAY!
Be the best that you can be!
Keep the job.
Get promoted, even!
HOORAY!
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:42:52pm |
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:42:59pm |
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:43:00pm |
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:43:04pm |
re: #287 Floral Giraffe
And bless you for doing the right thing as a lifestyle.
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What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:44:04pm |
re: #315 Aceofwhat?
I think that i’m partly unsympathetic to that argument because i’m partisan (just trying to be honest) and partly because, IIRC, the polls showed something different, which was that Crist v. Rubio would have been much more competitive than Meeks v. Rubio. It passes the smell test, too…Crist siphoned away more R votes than D votes, i think.
Meek was outspent. This is a very sad commentary on how our electoral process is going to work in the future. I can hardly think about it.
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What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:44:50pm |
re: #327 Dark_Falcon
I don’t think so. He would have had to be a much better candidate than he was to win. He would have gotten more votes but he still would not have won. Like him or dislike him, Marco Rubio ran a better campaign than Kendrick Meek.
That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it, but I disagree with you completely.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:45:09pm |
re: #345 Alouette
Yiddish has many words for penis.
Is this like how Eskimo’s have a dozen words for snow?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:46:31pm |
re: #350 marjoriemoon
That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it, but I disagree with you completely.
Fair enough.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:46:34pm |
re: #347 Gus 802
A ketchup bottle and a beer bottle walk into a bar…
Guy walks into a bar with a frog on his head.
Bartender says, “Hey, what’s that?”
Frog says “I don’t know. It started as a wart on my ass and then this happened.”
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:46:48pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:47:00pm |
re: #346 Rightwingconspirator
And bless you for doing the right thing as a lifestyle.
It sucks, but I’m fixing it, slowly…..
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:47:22pm |
re: #351 jamesfirecat
Is this like how Eskimo’s have a dozen words for snow?
well lets see… roof, floor, walls, yard, driveway, road…
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:47:31pm |
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jaunte Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:48:45pm |
re: #357 Floral Giraffe
Must be alternating current at Killgore’s house.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:49:13pm |
My putz seems to be broken lately, maybe I just need to try hiring a knowledgeable woman or two to see if any of them know how to fix it, either that or maybe buy some of those blue pill thingies they are always trying to sell me online….
///
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What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:49:17pm |
Btw, Kerry’s trip to Gaza is highlighted here. If you Google, you’ll find a lot of articles about it.
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
Kerry said that his visit indicated no change in American policy toward Hamas, which is labeled a terrorist group by the United States, and that he would not be meeting with Hamas leaders.“Hamas has to change its policies,” Kerry said while visiting the ruins of the American International School in Gaza, which was destroyed by an Israeli air attack in early January. “There is no change in our policy.”
and this
Kerry said Israel had a right to respond to the rockets launches it by Hamas.
“Your political leadership needs to understand that any nation that has rockets coming into it over many years, threatening its citizens, is going to respond,” he said.
So I don’t want to hear it about Kerry.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:49:31pm |
re: #349 marjoriemoon
Meek was outspent. This is a very sad commentary on how our electoral process is going to work in the future. I can hardly think about it.
nah. if spending were a big driver, the Dems wouldn’t have gotten their asses kicked in the house.
the article is subscription-only, but all you need is the title…
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:49:58pm |
re: #300 blueraven
I went over this in the last thread…This is a misleading article
here is the actual documents from the guardian
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]
John Kerry never said what that article claims. Some people need to read the source and check it out before they slander.
Thanks for the link.
10. (C) If we can get Abu Mazen back to the negotiating table, we can engage on border issues — including Israel’s borders with Syria, advised Senator Kerry. Abu Mazen right now is not strong enough, though, to make necessary compromises with Israel because the Palestinian people have wanted him to stick to his guns on a settlement freeze and the Goldstone Report. The Chairman added that Netanyahu also needs to compromise and work the return of the Golan Heights into a formula for peace.
11. (C) The Amir encouraged the U.S. to work the Golan Heights issue first. He stressed that Syrians are very different from Iranians in “mentality,” and said the Syrians turned to Iran for support only because they had nowhere else to go. Now is the time, the Amir told Senator Kerry, to reach out to Damascus.
…
17. (C) Senator Kerry told the Amir he knew Qatar could help the U.S. but asked how we deal with those who advocate violence. The Amir said the short answer is to work the Syrian track, which means pushing for Israel’s return of the Golan Heights to Syria. The Amir said return of the Golan is important not just to Syria but also to Hizballah and Iran. The U.S. must bear in mind that Misha’al, a leader of Hamas based in Damascus, has drawn the conclusion that the Oslo accords were bad for Arafat. He lost the support of his own people and died living under Israeli siege. The Syrians can help Misha’al and others make tough choices, but only if the U.S. demonstrates to Syria early on a willingness to address the Golan. Senator Kerry responded that the U.S. would accept a legitimate discussion of the Golan Heights.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:51:10pm |
re: #358 jaunte
Must be alternating current at Killgore’s house.
I try to keep up with current events.
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Skeetghazi Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:51:49pm |
Do you Kerry haters realize your opinions were completely, totally founded by the wingnuts?
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:51:51pm |
re: #363 Killgore Trout
I try to keep up with current events.
yeah, you seem to get a charge out of them.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:52:20pm |
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:52:22pm |
re: #351 jamesfirecat
Is this like how Eskimo’s have a dozen words for snow?
Sure: Hard, soft, wet, dry, dirty, in the house, on top of the house, etc.
I don’t know about the snow thing though.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:53:02pm |
re: #364 Stanley Sea
Do you Kerry haters realize your opinions were completely, totally founded by the wingnuts?
/no I hated Kerry long before there were wingnuts. Razzzzzz!
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What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:53:08pm |
re: #361 Aceofwhat?
nah. if spending were a big driver, the Dems wouldn’t have gotten their asses kicked in the house.
the article is subscription-only, but all you need is the title…
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
I don’t want to get into this. It’s late and I’m way off my game, moreso today for some reason.
Very weird. It actually came up, but I closed it for some stupid reason and now I can’t see it. I’d like to read it.
How many Meek ads did you see? Compared to Crist or even Governor Skeletor?
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Skeetghazi Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:53:24pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:53:45pm |
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:53:56pm |
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laZardo Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:54:20pm |
re: #363 Killgore Trout
I try to keep up with current events.
It’s hard to come up with a circuitous list of sites.
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palomino Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:54:43pm |
OK, releasing bank records might not endanger lives or compromise military operations like the other Wikileaks document dumps.
But I find it hard to believe that “hundreds of thousands” of bank docs can be released without the privacy of individual and small business financial records being compromised.
Anyone?
| 375 |
Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:54:51pm |
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What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:55:23pm |
re: #374 palomino
OK, releasing bank records might not endanger lives or compromise military operations like the other Wikileaks document dumps.
But I find it hard to believe that “hundreds of thousands” of bank docs can be released without the privacy of individual and small business financial records being compromised.
Anyone?
That’s what I was thinking. What exactly do they have?
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jaunte Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:55:58pm |
re: #374 palomino
But I find it hard to believe that “hundreds of thousands” of bank docs can be released without the privacy of individual and small business financial records being compromised.
Yes, I don’t think Wikileaks has the time or staff to check everything.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:56:19pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:56:21pm |
re: #374 palomino
That thought occurred to me as well.
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laZardo Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:57:03pm |
re: #374 palomino
That’s probably if it’s going to be as large as the Cablegate dump.
If it’s just one bank, ‘major’ as it is, it probably won’t be as large.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:57:17pm |
re: #369 marjoriemoon
I don’t want to get into this. It’s late and I’m way off my game, moreso today for some reason.
Very weird. It actually came up, but I closed it for some stupid reason and now I can’t see it. I’d like to read it.
How many Meek ads did you see? Compared to Crist or even Governor Skeletor?
enough. and that’s the thing with spending- it’s influential until folks have seen ‘enough’, and then it’s no longer a factor. i’m oversimplifying it, of course, but we don’t need to get into it…i’d rather say that you’re right and keep your friendship than try to put you ‘off your game’…i want to keep my priorities straight!
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:57:30pm |
re: #374 palomino
S/S numbers? Yikes. Our I.D. security may hang on their redacts.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:57:41pm |
re: #378 Rightwingconspirator
That just hertz.
Watt are you bitching about? Joule get over the pain in no time.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:58:35pm |
re: #374 palomino
OK, releasing bank records might not endanger lives or compromise military operations like the other Wikileaks document dumps.
But I find it hard to believe that “hundreds of thousands” of bank docs can be released without the privacy of individual and small business financial records being compromised.
Anyone?
Yeah, it’s a really bad idea but he says a lot of stuff and not much of it comes true. He released 250,00 stolen documents today and not one of them were interesting or newsworthy. I can’t wait to search the bank records for how much the granny down the street sent her grand children for Xmas this year.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:58:39pm |
re: #383 Slumbering Behemoth
Sorry I get all amped up.
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jaunte Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:58:44pm |
re: #383 Slumbering Behemoth
It’s just a lightning, flash wound.
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:58:52pm |
Pink is contemplating baby names:[Link: celebritybabies.people.com…]
She sounds happy.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:59:01pm |
re: #381 Aceofwhat?
i saw enough.
just reread that and realized it comes off in the imperative voice without the correction i made above, Marjorie dear. Sorry!
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palomino Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:59:10pm |
re: #377 jaunte
Yes, I don’t think Wikileaks has the time or staff to check everything.
Whistle-blowing is great (even sometimes essential) when it’s targeted and narrow so as not to sweep in the innocent. But, as far as I can tell, that’s not what’s going on here at all. These are massive, probably indiscriminate, document dumps.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 7:59:12pm |
re: #387 prairiefire
I like that lady!
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:00:01pm |
re: #389 palomino
He’s trolling the media. Plop and run.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:00:19pm |
re: #389 palomino
Whistle-blowing is great (even sometimes essential) when it’s targeted and narrow so as not to sweep in the innocent. But, as far as I can tell, that’s not what’s going on here at all. These are massive, probably indiscriminate, document dumps.
well said
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Gus Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:00:25pm |
re: #374 palomino
OK, releasing bank records might not endanger lives or compromise military operations like the other Wikileaks document dumps.
But I find it hard to believe that “hundreds of thousands” of bank docs can be released without the privacy of individual and small business financial records being compromised.
Anyone?
I seriously doubt it’s going to be bank records and instead internal memos, emails, and such.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:00:41pm |
re: #374 palomino
OK, releasing bank records might not endanger lives or compromise military operations like the other Wikileaks document dumps.
But I find it hard to believe that “hundreds of thousands” of bank docs can be released without the privacy of individual and small business financial records being compromised.
Anyone?
Bank of America.
Wells Fargo.
Name you national bank here.
Yes, some bank is going to get leaked.
Might not be such a bad thing.
Why do you think Congress is passing all of the banking laws, limiting things like fees? It’s turned into a predatory industry ( as have many) being driven by each quarters profits. As compared to the long term growth of the business.
(Rant off now)
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palomino Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:00:47pm |
re: #380 laZardo
That’s probably if it’s going to be as large as the Cablegate dump.
If it’s just one bank, ‘major’ as it is, it probably won’t be as large.
You’re right, but the article quotes Assange as saying “tens or hundreds of thousands” of bank documents. Just seems likely that some of these will contain private financial info.
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jaunte Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:01:14pm |
re: #389 palomino
A lot of people are going to worry about their privacy being compromised, and then a lot more people will suffer eyestrain and boredom looking at the documents.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:02:00pm |
re: #377 jaunte
Yes, I don’t think Wikileaks has the time or staff to check everything.
You think they “check” anything?
I don’t. I think they dump raw documents into the public eye.
| 398 |
brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:02:17pm |
re: #395 palomino
You’re right, but the article quotes Assange as saying “tens or hundreds of thousands” of bank documents. Just seems likely that some of these will contain private financial info.
now that could bring civil and criminal charges…
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:02:27pm |
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What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:03:33pm |
re: #381 Aceofwhat?
enough. and that’s the thing with spending- it’s influential until folks have seen ‘enough’, and then it’s no longer a factor. i’m oversimplifying it, of course, but we don’t need to get into it…i’d rather say that you’re right and keep your friendship than try to put you ‘off your game’…i want to keep my priorities straight!
I’ve totally off my game. A few financial problems recently cropped up. The most expensive and troubling is our drain field needs to be replaced, like now. It’s backing up into the yard… So while you buy you’re beloved that favorite jewel for Christmas, I’ll be getting a new septic. Oh joy.
But anyway, the recent Supreme Court ruling on campaign finance REFORM (hardy har har) is a disaster. Warren Buffett talked about it last Sunday with Amanpour and hoped that it would be repealed.
He’s giving away 1/2 his fortune, btw, and thinks the rich aren’t paying their fair share in taxes.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:03:41pm |
re: #383 Slumbering Behemoth
Watt are you bitching about? Joule get over the pain in no time.
some people need better insulation.
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blueraven Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:03:46pm |
re: #362 NJDhockeyfan
Thanks for the link.
So where does John Kerry call for Israel to cede Golan Heights and East Jerusalem?
Talks about negotiations are just that.
I am not a huge fan of Kerry, but the article is misleading.
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palomino Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:04:11pm |
re: #393 Gus 802
I seriously doubt it’s going to be bank records and instead internal memos, emails, and such.
Aight. If so, at least not as bad.
But is there no overlap between internal communication and private financial records? Might some private info be contained in those internal communications? And does Wikileaks have the manpower to find and redact all such info?
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Gus Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:04:25pm |
re: #394 Floral Giraffe
Bank of America.
Wells Fargo.
Name you national bank here.Yes, some bank is going to get leaked.
Might not be such a bad thing.
Why do you think Congress is passing all of the banking laws, limiting things like fees? It’s turned into a predatory industry ( as have many) being driven by each quarters profits. As compared to the long term growth of the business.
(Rant off now)
Yeah but if they come up with new regulations they find new and improved ways to work around those regulations. The same thing with limiting fees. They’ve already come up with new fee and charges most of which are higher than they were before. Including charging for checking accounts that were once free. IOW, it’s a Catch-22 situation.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:04:38pm |
re: #395 palomino
You’re right, but the article quotes Assange as saying “tens or hundreds of thousands” of bank documents. Just seems likely that some of these will contain private financial info.
Nah, it’ll all be internal memos.
On how to get the most $ out of the consumer.
It’s a business, they don’t care about you.
They want to make a profit.
The dumber they are, the worse their tactics.
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jaunte Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:04:44pm |
re: #393 Gus 802
We might see internal bank emails plotting to raise the ATM fee from $2 to $4!
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laZardo Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:05:04pm |
RANDOM MATH DUMP.
Last night, someone finally won our skyrocketing 6/55 jackpot of 732 million pesos.
The odds of winning a 6/55 lotto are C(6,55) = 28,989,675 combinations.
At P20/ticket, you would have to spend P579,793,500 on all possible combos.
It is therefore possible to invest in every combination and come away with a profit IF you are the only winner.
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:05:16pm |
re: #400 marjoriemoon
That new septic (tank?) will bring you years of happiness. Do you have a garbage disposal? My family with tanks can’t have a garbage disposal.
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What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:06:01pm |
re: #408 prairiefire
That new septic (tank?) will bring you years of happiness. Do you have a garbage disposal? My family with tanks can’t have a garbage disposal.
Naw. We jus’ po’ southerners :P I don’t have a dishwasher either!
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brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:06:04pm |
re: #406 jaunte
We might see internal bank emails plotting to raise the ATM fee from $2 to $4!
you pay atm fees? hahahaha, loser ;)
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What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:06:42pm |
re: #408 prairiefire
That new septic (tank?) will bring you years of happiness. Do you have a garbage disposal? My family with tanks can’t have a garbage disposal.
The tank is ok actually, it’s the drain field. I think I know more about shit than most people.
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:07:00pm |
re: #409 marjoriemoon
Naw. We jus’ po’ southerners :P I don’t have a dishwasher either!
Just rely on the lizards!
| 413 |
brookly red Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:07:25pm |
re: #407 laZardo
RANDOM MATH DUMP.
Last night, someone finally won our skyrocketing 6/55 jackpot of 732 million pesos.
The odds of winning a 6/55 lotto are C(6,55) = 28,989,675 combinations.
At P20/ticket, you would have to spend P579,793,500 on all possible combos.
It is therefore possible to invest in every combination and come away with a profit IF you are the only winner.
and IF you have 23 years to fill out all the tickets…
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:08:28pm |
re: #402 blueraven
So where does John Kerry call for Israel to cede Golan Heights and East Jerusalem?
I highlighted those parts:
The Chairman added that Netanyahu also needs to compromise and work the return of the Golan Heights into a formula for peace.
…
The Syrians can help Misha’al and others make tough choices, but only if the U.S. demonstrates to Syria early on a willingness to address the Golan. Senator Kerry responded that the U.S. would accept a legitimate discussion of the Golan Heights.
Totally uncalled for. John Kerry is an ass.
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:08:32pm |
re: #411 marjoriemoon
The tank is ok actually, it’s the drain field. I think I know more about shit than most people.
I’ve got city curbs And sewers!
Seriously, I do not envy folks with septic tanks.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:08:57pm |
re: #400 marjoriemoon
I’ve totally off my game. A few financial problems recently cropped up. The most expensive and troubling is our drain field needs to be replaced, like now. It’s backing up into the yard… So while you buy you’re beloved that favorite jewel for Christmas, I’ll be getting a new septic. Oh joy.
Ugh, that is the definition of not fun. I’m sorry.
My beloved is not enjoying deciding, with me, whether we prefer living here in Jax with me gone most of the week or moving (again).
Neither are our preferred options, but this town just isn’t overflowing with the sort of thing that i do…
| 417 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:09:08pm |
re: #374 palomino
OK, releasing bank records might not endanger lives or compromise military operations like the other Wikileaks document dumps.
But I find it hard to believe that “hundreds of thousands” of bank docs can be released without the privacy of individual and small business financial records being compromised.
Anyone?
That I agree with.
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palomino Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:09:28pm |
re: #394 Floral Giraffe
Bank of America.
Wells Fargo.
Name you national bank here.Yes, some bank is going to get leaked.
Might not be such a bad thing.
Why do you think Congress is passing all of the banking laws, limiting things like fees? It’s turned into a predatory industry ( as have many) being driven by each quarters profits. As compared to the long term growth of the business.
(Rant off now)
If it’s just corporate whistle blowing and there’s no private financial data released then I have less of a problem with it. And you’re right, it may be a good thing in a way. But wouldn’t it be much more constructive for the Wikileaks staff to point to specific irregularities and release only a few hundred documents to support their case? Like investigative journalists (used to) do? Maybe I’m just old fashioned in this respect, but I don’t see this as an upside of the internet.
| 419 |
laZardo Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:09:33pm |
re: #413 brookly red
and IF you have 23 years to fill out all the tickets…
And all the machines to process all the combinations.
| 420 |
What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:09:38pm |
re: #415 prairiefire
I’ve got city curbs And sewers!
Seriously, I do not envy folks with septic tanks.
It’s insane. Most of Miami is still on septic.
| 421 |
Gus Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:09:43pm |
re: #403 palomino
Aight. If so, at least not as bad.
But is there no overlap between internal communication and private financial records? Might some private info be contained in those internal communications? And does Wikileaks have the manpower to find and redact all such info?
Well, I would think that if they publicized any personal financial information that might get them into faster trouble than anything they’ve done so far. It’s a bit ironic. But they’ll probably redact since I don’t see how that would serve a purpose. What we’ll probably see is general figure regarding CEO bonuses, salaries, pay, etc. Just a guess on my part.
Just in case, as much as I despise Wall Street I don’t agree with this release either. Any such investigation should be done with security in mind and that would include trade secrets that would be open for scrutiny but not open to international competitors.
| 422 |
What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:10:20pm |
re: #416 Aceofwhat?
Ugh, that is the definition of not fun. I’m sorry.
My beloved is not enjoying deciding, with me, whether we prefer living here in Jax with me gone most of the week or moving (again).
Neither are our preferred options, but this town just isn’t overflowing with the sort of thing that i do…
What do you do? Come south maybe?
| 423 |
prairiefire Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:11:42pm |
re: #420 marjoriemoon
Probably the sandy soil is too wet to support a pipe system.
| 424 |
What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:11:44pm |
re: #421 Gus 802
Well, I would think that if they publicized any personal financial information that might get them into faster trouble than anything they’ve done so far. It’s a bit ironic. But they’ll probably redact since I don’t see how that would serve a purpose. What we’ll probably see is general figure regarding CEO bonuses, salaries, pay, etc. Just a guess on my part.
Just in case, as much as I despise Wall Street I don’t agree with this release either. Any such investigation should be done with security in mind and that would include trade secrets that would be open for scrutiny but not open to international competitors.
Re personal financial info, the question is, if they got it, who else has it? And what is it?
| 425 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:13:10pm |
And in other news, “Rodan” AKA “Daedalus” AKA “Dorkus” is still obsessed with Killgore, He just posted yet another anti-Killgore thread. What a bufoon.
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What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:13:13pm |
re: #423 prairiefire
Probably the sandy soil is too wet to support a pipe system.
They’ve replaced it in some areas in Broward. And in Miami-Dade in the wealthier neighborhoods. Each home has to pay their share. I don’t think it’s a tax though, but it’s about $3-5000 I believe.
| 427 |
Gus Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:14:16pm |
re: #424 marjoriemoon
Re personal financial info, the question is, if they got it, who else has it? And what is it?
If they’re able to get that then that’s another serious breach of security. I guess we’ll find out once it’s released. That is if Wikileaks is still around by then.
| 428 |
Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:14:33pm |
re: #422 marjoriemoon
What do you do? Come south maybe?
Eh. Purchasing, inventory, logistics, supply-chain, and operations management. There’s some of that in every city, but I just don’t know as many people in Florida as i do in some other states.
| 429 |
BongCrodny Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:14:37pm |
re: #25 Amory Blaine
Now information is the enemy of freedom.
Oh brother.
Late to the party here, but I just want to say I can’t upding this one enough.
| 430 |
What, me worry? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:15:40pm |
re: #428 Aceofwhat?
Eh. Purchasing, inventory, logistics, supply-chain, and operations management. There’s some of that in every city, but I just don’t know as many people in Florida as i do in some other states.
Ah well, good luck to you, my friend. It’s stressful, I know.
| 431 |
palomino Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:16:37pm |
re: #315 Aceofwhat?
I think that i’m partly unsympathetic to that argument because i’m partisan (just trying to be honest) and partly because, IIRC, the polls showed something different, which was that Crist v. Rubio would have been much more competitive than Meeks v. Rubio. It passes the smell test, too…Crist siphoned away more R votes than D votes, i think.
Makes sense. Crist was already a known, and fairly popular, commodity. Remove Meeks and then Dems would have voted for Crist as the lesser of two evils. Also as the martyr who was sacrificed by the gop partly because he supported the stimulus and hugged Obama. Not sure it would have been enough, but at least the race becomes competitive.
| 432 |
Aceofwhat? Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:16:53pm |
re: #430 marjoriemoon
Ah well, good luck to you, my friend. It’s stressful, I know.
We’ll be fine. And our poop goes through the pipes, so that’s all square as far as i know;)
| 433 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:18:19pm |
Jamie Conner 72, of St. Petersburg, went home to be with the Lord, Monday, Nov. 22, 2010. She was born in Cross City, and moved to St. Petersburg over 50 years ago. She was a graduate of St. Petersburg High School and Florida State University where she belonged to Delta Zeta Sorority. She was a member of Calvary Chapel. She is survived by her husband of 48 years Larry; her sons Michael and Gregory; daughter Lee Hall and 3 grandchildren. A memorial service will be held Saturday, Dec. 11 at noon at Calvary Chapel.
(BTW anyone is welcome to attend who lives around here and wants to, the memorial wont be in the sanctuary, but in a large area off of the lobby, it will be seating at round tables, and also free catered finger food.)
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prairiefire Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:21:03pm |
re: #433 ausador
She’s lovely, ausador. Best wishes for the day.
| 436 |
palomino Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:22:51pm |
re: #391 Rightwingconspirator
He’s trolling the media. Plop and run.
Yeah, it’s a vanity project for Assange. There aren’t any coherent principles guiding his group’s actions. Shock and attention seeking are primary goals.
Ideologically most of WL’s acts clearly lean left. But they also dumped all the English climate change stuff that led to climategate. Left wasn’t too happy there.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:23:07pm |
re: #404 Gus 802
Yeah but if they come up with new regulations they find new and improved ways to work around those regulations. The same thing with limiting fees. They’ve already come up with new fee and charges most of which are higher than they were before. Including charging for checking accounts that were once free. IOW, it’s a Catch-22 situation.
Forgive me, but if you ever seriously thought that a bank was d”giving” you a checking account for “free”. Who did you think was providing the work, and at what price?
| 438 |
bratwurst Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:23:18pm |
re: #414 NJDhockeyfan
I highlighted those parts:
Totally uncalled for. John Kerry is an ass.
Right…only a total ass would suggest even suggest giving up the Golan for other considerations.
[Link: www.ynetnews.com…]
| 439 |
NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:25:37pm |
re: #438 bratwurst
Right…only a total ass would suggest even suggest giving up the Golan for other considerations.
[Link: www.ynetnews.com…]
So you think Kerry is just as great as George Bush?
| 440 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:25:59pm |
re: #425 Dark_Falcon
And in other news, “Rodan” AKA “Daedalus” AKA “Dorkus” is still obsessed with Killgore, He just posted yet another anti-Killgore thread. What a bufoon.
As RP says
“obvoius troll is obvious”.
*waves* to stalkerz.
| 441 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:27:11pm |
re: #433 ausador
{{{Ausador}}}
Be well.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:31:04pm |
re: #439 NJDhockeyfan
I don’t think he said that. He was saying that Kerry might not have been being a shithead. Agree or disagree, but it’s a reasonable point to argue.
| 443 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 8:53:11pm |
| 444 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 9:08:15pm |
| 445 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 9:13:13pm |
re: #359 ausador
My putz seems to be broken lately, maybe I just need to try hiring a knowledgeable woman or two to see if any of them know how to fix it, either that or maybe buy some of those blue pill thingies they are always trying to sell me online…
///
OK, old bad joke.
A man goes to Israel on vacation, and decides to ‘go native’ by renting a camel and riding it through the streets of Tel Aviv. Growing thirsty, he stops and goes into a store to buy a soda, without tying up the camel. When he comes out, the camel is gone.
He goes to the police station and tries to file a missing camel report. “What color is the camel?” the policeman asks. “I don’t remember.”
“Well, one hump or two?”
“I don’t remember.”
“Was it wearing a saddle? Were there decorations on it?”
“No idea.”
“OK, do you know anything about this animal?”
“It was a male! I know that!”
“Sir, you can’t remember the color of the camel, or if it was wearing a saddle, but you know it was a male? How?”
“Well, when I was riding it down Dizengoff Street, people kept pointing, and saying, “Look at the schmuck on that camel!”
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 29, 2010 9:17:30pm |
re: #439 NJDhockeyfan
So you think Kerry is just as great as George Bush?
I don’t think that’s the point. The point here is that Kerry is not stepping out of the ordinary bounds of the way the U.S. talks about this stuff.
If you absolutely hate U.S. policy in the Middle East, and many do, OK.
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