Gorgeous Haunted Music: Ólafur Arnalds: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

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July 19, 2018 | Bob Boilen — It’s as if the pianos were haunted. Somewhere about midway through this Tiny Desk, as Icelandic composer Ólafur Arnalds performed on his electronic keyboard, two upright pianos were playing lilting melodies behind him, absent any performer at the keys. And yet these “ghosts,” along with Ólafur’s band of strings and percussion, put together some of the most beautiful music I’ve heard at the Tiny Desk, made all the more mysterious through its presentation.

About ten minutes into the performance Ólafur looked behind him at the two pianos, looked to the NPR crowd and said, “well I guess you’re all wondering ‘what and why,’ to which there’s no easy answer.” He hit the keys on his electronic keyboard and the two pianos behind responded with cascading, raindrop-like notes. “What I can say,” he continued, “is that I’ve spent two years and all of my money on this — to make my pianos go bleep-bloop.” What Ólafur was referring to is software that he and his coder friend, Halldór Eldjárn developed. A computer, loaded with this musical software (which Ólafur calls the Stratus system), “listens” to Ólafur’s keyboard performance and responds by creating patterns that are musically in tune with the chord or notes Ólafur performed.

So why do this? Basically, it’s a way to break out of the box musicians often fall back on as performers — the familiar responses that years of playing can reinforce. With that is the hope that the computer will create a response that is unfamiliar and, in some cases through speed of performance and the sheer number of notes played, impossible for a human to have made. So, it breathes new life into the music for the listener and the performer.

It was a gently stunning and memorable Tiny Desk. More of these creations can be heard on Ólafur Arnalds’ brilliant, fourth solo album re: member. The full album is out August 24 on Mercury KX.

Set List

“Árbakkinn”
“Unfold”
“Saman”
“Doria”

Musicians
Ólafur Arnalds (keys), Viktor Arnason (violin), Unnur Jónsdóttir (cello), Katie Hyun (violin), Karl James Pestka (viola), Manu Delago (percussion)

Credits
Producers: Bob Boilen, Morgan Noelle Smith; Creative Director: Bob Boilen; Audio Engineers: Josh Rogosin, Dominik Piorr; Audio Mix: Ólafur Arnalds; Videographers: Morgan Noelle Smith, CJ Riculan, Bronson Arcuri, Khun Minn Ohn; Production Assistants: Catherine Zhang, Téa Mottolese; Photo: Eric Lee/NPR.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 26, 2018 • 8:57:48pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 26, 2018 • 8:58:58pm

Uh…

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Teukka  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:02:01pm

Off-topic, but some notes on Civil Defence in Finland (Helsinki to be exact):
ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation): Helsinki’s sprawling underground tunnel network offers shelter from Russia’s potential threat

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:10:58pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

Uh…

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$5 says there are tracking/recording devices in some of those caskets.

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JordanRules  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:13:57pm

To be fair, they do have whole ass invisible planes there.

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SteelPH  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:14:36pm

From downstairs:

re: #157 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Let’s not forget Jones’ “viewpoint” of directly threatening to kill Mueller as well.

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jaunte  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:16:26pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

They haven’t tested them yet, have they?

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SteelPH  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:18:35pm

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

$5 says there are tracking/recording devices in some of those caskets.

Or that nothing was actually found and he’s lying yet again.

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jaunte  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:25:34pm
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Kragar  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:25:35pm
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JordanRules  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:28:52pm
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JordanRules  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:33:16pm
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Kragar  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:35:21pm
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Kragar  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:36:59pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:38:17pm

LOLWUT?

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JordanRules  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:38:21pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:38:23pm

Man, I’m glad this week is finally over, it’s gone on so lo…what, it’s only now turning Friday?

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Targetpractice  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:39:06pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

LOLWUT?

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“Not only didn’t they talk to Cohen and Donald didn’t know about the meeting, but there was no meeting!”

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austin_blue  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:39:11pm

This may not be the end of the beginning, but it is surely the beginning of the end.

He can’t survive this shitstorm and unless the R’s decide they want to abandon this POS POTUS and lose both the Senate and the House, they are screwed. The money people will be screaming at the top of their lungs to protect their privilege.

They all have only one option, and that is to turn on the POTUS.

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JordanRules  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:39:53pm

re: #16 JordanRules

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Kragar  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:39:55pm

At press time, a Pew Research Center poll showed Trump’s approval rating plummeting to 1 percent among Republicans.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:40:46pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

LOLWUT?

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Wait, the people who were AT THE MEETING are saying there was no meeting?

So where the fuck were they then?

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austin_blue  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:43:41pm

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait, the people who were AT THE MEETING are saying there was no meeting?

So where the fuck were they then?

In a galaxy far, far away…

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Targetpractice  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:44:08pm

I’m not sure which is funnier to contemplate: Rudy’s brain locked up so badly when he heard this news that he’s decided to go full-bore denial…or that Donny is scared so shitless that he ordered Rudy to do that.

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austin_blue  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:45:46pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

I’m not sure which is funnier to contemplate: Rudy’s brain locked up so badly when he heard this news that he’s decided to go full-bore denial…or that Donny is scared so shitless that he ordered Rudy to do that.

Bring me my brown pants!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:47:21pm

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait, the people who were AT THE MEETING are saying there was no meeting?

So where the fuck were they then?

People have posted the I, Mudd video a couple of times lately, so I won’t, but this is the new strategy—get everybody’s lights blinking: “Norman! Coordinate!”, and make our brains fritz out.

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teleskiguy  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:48:43pm

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Targetpractice  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:49:20pm

Wonder how Lumpy is taking this news. After all, if Cohen is willing to turn on Don, how likely is it he’s going to take a bullet for him?

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Bubblehead II  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:52:48pm
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jaunte  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:53:56pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

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Targetpractice  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:54:43pm

So Rudy says he talked to everybody who was at the meeting where Don was told about the meeting.

Would he like to tell us who else was at that meeting?

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Kragar  Jul 26, 2018 • 9:58:41pm
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austin_blue  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:00:36pm

Oh, holy hell, this fire in Redding is just horrible.

The local firefighters have just stopped fighting it and are hosing down exit routes, trying to assist residents to get out alive. Latest reports say that traffic backups have trapped residents from evacuating on the NW and W side of town.

If this is the new normal, the new normal is death.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:08:11pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:09:06pm

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

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I guess CNN being banned the other day scared the Gray Lady somethin’ fierce. “OH SHIT! THEY COULD PULL OUR ACCESS AT ANY TIME!!!”

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wheat-dogg  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:14:47pm

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

Don’t be too harsh. The essay is definitely not complimentary, despite the poorly worded sub-head.

His presidential campaign extended this idea: While thin on policy, it enticed the nation (or a subset thereof) to rebrand itself with the Trump logo and thus magically obtain mass privilege via osmosis. In Donald Trump we elected a (faux) luxury brand logo come to life.

Like Chanel, Ivanka Trump understood the craving for both status and community. In response, she created an aspirational universe geared toward working women who yearned for advancement, wanting to fake it till they make it. It was a pasteboard “C-suite” feminist look — pastel-toned sheath dresses; structured bags conjuring Céline or Prada, but often made of vinyl; pumps and flats that closely imitated higher-end shoes (including Chanels). A preponderance of baby pink, ruffles, bell sleeves and other girlish touches undermined any real power-feminist vibe. Over all, the brand offered watered-down simulacra of luxury goods, accessibly priced, elite-seeming but poorly made.

Ms. Trump was really selling her own pampered life, as her father sells his own. That she is more refined and soft-spoken than he, as well as delicate-featured and blond, only enhanced the fantasy she marketed.

tl;dr Ivanka’s clothing line is trash, just like her and her father.

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teleskiguy  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:17:01pm

The forecast high temperature in Redding, CA tomorrow is 110° F. It’s currently 90° F there right now.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:17:49pm

re: #9 jaunte

Impeachment isn’t enough. We need a Nuremberg Tribunal to try Trump’s lackeys and the traitorous tools who connived with the Russians to put him in the White House.

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austin_blue  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:18:41pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

I guess CNN being banned the other day scared the Gray Lady somethin’ fierce. “OH SHIT! THEY COULD PULL OUR ACCESS AT ANY TIME!!!”

I think there’s a fair amount of truth in that. On the other hand, the NYT is doing a decent job of exposing the shitshow outside of the shadow of the WH. As is the WaPo.

There aren’t that many papers who have the staff left to do this. Outside of Maggie’s obvious dick sucking to maintain access to the WH, the rest of the NYT reporters are doing yeoman work. You should read the Bidness page. Solid reporting, there.

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teleskiguy  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:19:00pm

That exact spot where a warm airmass meets a cold airmass.

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austin_blue  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:22:26pm

re: #40 teleskiguy

That exact spot where a warm airmass meets a cold airmass.

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And Heaven meets a Hellstorm.

Beautiful and awful pic, though.

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Scout  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:23:48pm

re: #36 wheat-dogg

Don’t be too harsh. The essay is definitely not complimentary, despite the poorly worded sub-head.

Thank you.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:26:02pm

Genealogy tidbit here. Feel free to ignore.

My granduncle was a hotelier during the early 20th century. The Manhattan hotel he managed, then owned, then leased out is long gone. It was in one of the blocks near Columbus Circle that were razed for Lincoln Center. Toward the end of his life, he managed a hotel in Nice, France, on the Riviera. Or he may have retired there, I’m not sure yet. Anywho, I found his address in Nice on a Christmas card to my grandfather (his half-brother) and today I googled it. It was a deluxe hotel then, and still is now. I’ll need to save beaucoup euros to stay there, to be sure. Take a gander.

hotel-negresco-nice.com

This uncle was easily the wealthiest member of the family. He bought the Manhattan hotel when it was financially distressed, and probably made a pretty penny on the leasing and eventual sale. He and his wife cruised frequently to Europe and the Bahamas, had a vacation home in the Catskills, and when he died, his widow lived in a post apartment on the Upper East Side. (Though my eldest cousin on that side of the family says he remembers it as gloomy and rather stuffy.)

I have added Le Negresco to my bucket list of places to visit.

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teleskiguy  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:27:48pm

Shit.

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teleskiguy  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:28:23pm

This Redding, CA fire might be one of the worst things to happen to this country in a long time.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:29:11pm

re: #45 teleskiguy

And the GOP will cheer because fuck California.

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teleskiguy  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:31:19pm

re: #46 Eclectic Cyborg

And the GOP will cheer because fuck California.

Redding is in Shasta County. They voted for Fuckface Von Clownstick over Hillary 64% to 28%.

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JordanRules  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:31:27pm

re: #39 austin_blue

I think there’s a fair amount of truth in that. On the other hand, the NYT is doing a decent job of exposing the shitshow outside of the shadow of the WH. As is the WaPo.

There aren’t that many papers who have the staff left to do this. Outside of Maggie’s obvious dick sucking to maintain access to the WH, the rest of the NYT reporters are doing yeoman work. You should read the Bidness page. Solid reporting, there.

I think the political side is doing as bad as they did in 2016 and the fact that they won’t examine their critical failures during the campaign makes them seem unattached and unaccountable. Their role is crucial and we should expect so much better.

Also, too many of their op-eds are trash. They are biased, elitist and generally just stupid. You often find yourself wondering how so many of the op-ed writers get granted that prescious press real estate. They are the NYT and they have given too many white supremacists and dangerous operatives a platform that tends to be presented as a view from nowhere. The normalization they empower is dangerous to this country.

They will not look out the window to tell people if it’s raining or not. They’re just gonna report on the flood and devestation after as if their both sides schtick was good enough or even moral. And they will also make a lot of money selling books.

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teleskiguy  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:32:34pm

Not all of California is blue. A lot of it is deep red, especially rural areas.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:32:34pm

re: #46 Eclectic Cyborg

And the GOP will cheer because fuck California.

Which is ironic because Redding is easily the reddest, most conservative part of California.

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JordanRules  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:34:42pm
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JordanRules  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:39:07pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:40:00pm

re: #5 JordanRules

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To be fair, they do have whole ass invisible planes there.

The only “combat zone” Trump ever visited was Studio 54 and the brothels of New York.

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teleskiguy  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:40:14pm

re: #52 JordanRules

Crime does pay, it seems.

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teleskiguy  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:42:34pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:43:14pm
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JordanRules  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:44:40pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:47:03pm

re: #40 teleskiguy

That exact spot where a warm airmass meets a cold airmass.

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Awesome photo.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:47:45pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:48:54pm

re: #52 JordanRules

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They should be hired to fight Russian hacking.

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austin_blue  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:49:24pm

re: #53 Big Beautiful Door

The only “combat zone” Trump ever visited was Studio 54 and the brothels of New York.

And Jeffrey Epstein’s house.

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JordanRules  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:50:36pm

re: #43 wheat-dogg

Very cool!
That hotel looks so lovely. Amazing location!
One of my good friends just went to Nice to see Beyonce and she really enjoyed the city.

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austin_blue  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:51:45pm

Night all, can’t wait for tomorrow’s toilet tweet storm.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:52:32pm

re: #61 austin_blue

And Jeffrey Epstein’s house.

I wonder if Trump knows that the show Pose portrayed his company as a place where executives were admired for having mistresses. Dog only knows how many Trump had over the decades.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:54:26pm

re: #62 JordanRules

Very cool!
That hotel looks so lovely. Amazing location!
One of my good friends just went to Nice to see Beyonce and she really enjoyed the city.

It looks like a hotel they would use for a James Bond movie.

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sagehen  Jul 26, 2018 • 10:57:27pm

re: #40 teleskiguy

That exact spot where a warm airmass meets a cold airmass.

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It looks like the ship from Close Encounters taking off.

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mmmirele  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:02:36pm

re: #47 teleskiguy

Redding is in Shasta County. They voted for Fuckface Von Clownstick over Hillary 64% to 28%.

Redding’s home to Bethel Church, whose leaders (Bill and Beni Johnson, Kris Vallotton and others) are completely in the bag for Trump. These guys are also into Seven Mountains Dominionism. Kris Vallotton posted a personal wish list of things he wanted to have happen in Redding that read for all the world like a platform for mayor a couple of days ago. These are also the guys who want to continue to sell “conversion” “therapy” to people made desperate by their anti-LGBTQ rhetoric.

I wish there was some way this fire could get across to these numbnutz and their slavish followers that they made a huge mistake, but without burning down people’s homes or damaging the forests.

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MsJ  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:05:33pm

What life is these days.

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JordanRules  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:07:49pm
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MsJ  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:08:54pm
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JordanRules  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:10:57pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:13:06pm

re: #19 austin_blue

This may not be the end of the beginning, but it is surely the beginning of the end.

He can’t survive this shitstorm and unless the R’s decide they want to abandon this POS POTUS and lose both the Senate and the House, they are screwed. The money people will be screaming at the top of their lungs to protect their privilege.

They all have only one option, and that is to turn on the POTUS.

The silver lining to these dark days is that there is a very good chance that come January 2021 the Democrats will have unified control of Congress and the Presidency, whereas if Clinton was President the GOP’s control over Congress would only deepen the next few years, ensuring no progressive legislation could pass. However, the Democrats will have to be willing to add a couple of seats to SCOTUS so that Trump’s Court doesn’t strike down every positive thing the Democrats try to do.

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Targetpractice  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:15:27pm

re: #71 JordanRules

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So Don’s looking at conspiracy and obstruction charges, Half Scoop is looking at perjury charges, Jared may end up dealing with federal charges for influence-peddling, and Ivanka’s had to shutter her brand due to plummeting sales.

And yet, Eric’s the stupid one?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:17:06pm

re: #67 mmmirele

Redding’s home to Bethel Church, whose leaders (Bill and Beni Johnson, Kris Vallotton and others) are completely in the bag for Trump. These guys are also into Seven Mountains Dominionism. Kris Vallotton posted a personal wish list of things he wanted to have happen in Redding that read for all the world like a platform for mayor a couple of days ago. These are also the guys who want to continue to sell “conversion” “therapy” to people made desperate by their anti-LGBTQ rhetoric.

I wish there was some way this fire could get across to these numbnutz and their slavish followers that they made a huge mistake, but without burning down people’s homes or damaging the forests.

We had a pretty extensive discussion about Redding and Bethel in May. It started with this bizarre story about a vigilante attempt to abduct and “deport” a Chinese student.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:18:19pm

re: #71 JordanRules

I think Schiff has it nailed. That theory certainly seems like a Trump-esque way of doing things.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:19:06pm

re: #74 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

We had a pretty extensive discussion about Redding and Bethel in May. It started with this bizarre story about a vigilante attempt to abduct and “deport” a Chinese student.

Wait, we’re talking about those assholes? Damn, that was abhorrent.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:19:58pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:21:39pm

re: #76 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait, we’re talking about those assholes? Damn, that was abhorrent.

The very ones. The chief witch-doctor, Bill Johnson, claims to have raised the dead and caused gold leaf to rain down inside the sanctuary, among other signs and wonders.

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JordanRules  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:27:32pm

re: #73 Targetpractice

So Don’s looking at conspiracy and obstruction charges, Half Scoop is looking at perjury charges, Jared may end up dealing with federal charges for influence-peddling, and Ivanka’s had to shutter her brand due to plummeting sales.

And yet, Eric’s the stupid one?

Don’t count poor Eric out just yet!

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wheat-dogg  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:31:19pm

re: #76 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait, we’re talking about those assholes? Damn, that was abhorrent.

While I don’t know that student in question, one of my former students had an altercation with her summer-job boss that was almost as bad. There are some white Americans who treat foreign students, tourists and immigrants worse than dogs. The usual threat leveled at them is deportation — do things our way, or get shipped home. That’s what happened to at least one of my former students — there may have been another, but I don’t know all the details. The one I do know about was working on the housekeeping staff in a motel in Riverton, Wyoming. Her boss got in her head that the young Chinese woman was corrupting her daughter somehow, barged into her room at the hotel in the middle of the night, and pitched her out onto the streets of Riverton. From what my young friend told me, both the mother and the daughter were batshit crazy, so who knows what fairy tales the daughter (teenaged, I think) had told mom about the Chinese worker.

With the help of some friends in Wyoming, we were able to get my student out of Riverton (highly recommended for anyone, BTW) to a new job in Buffalo, where her boss would be a Chinese immigrant.

It was dealing with that situation, and hearing about others, that convinced me not to recommend that particular summer “work-study” program to my students ever again.

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JordanRules  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:32:15pm

Hm.
Going off script or something.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:32:29pm

True story.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:34:56pm

re: #81 JordanRules

Hm.
Going off script or something.

Trump just saying whatever pops into his walnut-sized brain at the moment. Putin sure bet on the wrong pony.

But listening to it again, it seems like Trump was going to give away the ending of his story, then caught himself just in time. Got to keep those ratings up!

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JordanRules  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:38:11pm

re: #83 wheat-dogg

Trump just saying whatever pops into his walnut-sized brain at the moment. Putin sure bet on the wrong pony.

Yes, but watch Melania and Ivankas reactions when he blurts out the Hillary stuff. This old video is even more disturbing because of what we know now.
Putin knows exactly what he’s doing. And much of it has already worked.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:38:16pm

re: #77 Single-handed sailor

Oh shit! Market Street is almost in the middle of town.
google.com

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JordanRules  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:40:37pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:41:19pm

The fire is definitely a threat to the Bethel Church headquarters in Redding. Unfortunately it will have to burn down about a third of the city to get there.

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Kragar  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:43:57pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:44:05pm

re: #84 JordanRules

Yes, but watch Melania and Ivankas reactions when he blurts out the Hillary stuff. This old video is even more disturbing because of what we know now.
Putin knows exactly what he’s doing. And much of it has already worked.

Exactly, it’s a mistake to think that Putin had some specific detailed policy plan for Trump to follow or even thought he would win. The plan was chaos, all Putin wanted was to damage the United States.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:48:24pm

Some TV superhero news involving racist fanbois (I assume they are male because reasons.)

Backstory: The CW is producing a live-action version of the DC Titans team, also once known as the Teen Titans. One of the members is Starfire, an orange-skinned alien princess. The CW’s showrunners have cast an African-American actress, Anna Diop, as Starfire, and the racist reaction forced Diop to shut down her Instagram account.

Candice Patton, who is also AA, plays Iris West on The Flash. This popped up in her TL today.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:51:39pm

And speaking of overly privileged white men, check out who sold a lot of his Facebook stock.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:51:58pm

re: #85 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Oh shit! Market Street is almost in the middle of town.
google.com

Yeah. I’m having a hard time reconciling the fire perimeter on the map with where the fire is burning now. There are some good minimalist campgrounds just north of the fire on the logging roads north of Whiskeytown Lake.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 26, 2018 • 11:58:23pm

re: #36 wheat-dogg

Don’t be too harsh. The essay is definitely not complimentary, despite the poorly worded sub-head.

tl;dr Ivanka’s clothing line is trash, just like her and her father.

Good luck with that. There are a number of people on the left for whom no amount of good, solid reporting is done by the NYT, and how much we’ve learned about the WH, are ever enough, it all comes down to hating on Maggie Haberman. Hating on her gives people the same kind of ‘Genuine Liberal’ badge you get for hating on Hillary Clinton.

It’s getting to be like the Right, sadly - point them to an article saying how Cohen’s tape dismantles Trump’s false statements, and apparently the fact that they didn’t use the magic word - “Lie” means that Haberman is sucking Trump’s dick.

Honestly, it’s getting a little misogynist in here. Seems like everyone wants to blame the entirety of the NYT on her. Somehow, nobody seems to remember it was Eric Lichtblau who wrote the pieces on the Clinton Foundation where the actual facts conveyed were completely exculpatory but the article ended with “only raises more questions.”

This is the shit that goes on on the Right, that we USED TO decry. Now we do it ourselves.

Yay us.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:11:17am

There is a significant risk of wildfire in this part of Texas, especially now in the midst of an unprecedented drought. It is mostly scrub brush with Post Oak, Juniper, and mesquite. The lakes and streams would help contain any fire but high winds could push lightweight embers across many of them.

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Targetpractice  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:13:06am

re: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

Good luck with that. There are a number of people on the left for whom no amount of good, solid reporting is done by the NYT, and how much we’ve learned about the WH, are ever enough, it all comes down to hating on Maggie Haberman. Hating on her gives people the same kind of ‘Genuine Liberal’ badge you get for hating on Hillary Clinton.

It’s getting to be like the Right, sadly - point them to an article saying how Cohen’s tape dismantles Trump’s false statements, and apparently the fact that they didn’t use the magic word - “Lie” means that Haberman is sucking Trump’s dick.

Honestly, it’s getting a little misogynist in here. Seems like everyone wants to blame the entirety of the NYT on her. Somehow, nobody seems to remember it was Eric Lichtblau who wrote the pieces on the Clinton Foundation where the actual facts conveyed were completely exculpatory but the article ended with “only raises more questions.”

This is the shit that goes on on the Right, that we USED TO decry. Now we do it ourselves.

Yay us.

Yeah, I can’t imagine why anyone might think that an editorial board who has reporters tasked with reporting on palace intrigue who are collaborating on a book on their own experiences would think that the paper is pulling punches in order to avoid losing access. It must be mindless ranting and misogyny, right?

/////

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:13:46am

Here’s an example of what I’m talking about.

Haberman tweets that the SDNY investigation into his finances will probably be worse for him than Mueller’s - the history is longer and the crimes more numerous. And she mentions how Trump obsessed about Preet Bharara, who headed SDNY.

And you get people saying she’s minimizing Mueller’s investigation.

People are reading into her tweets what they want to see. To me, it seems like she’s saying Trump is in a lot more danger from his years of criminal behavior as a businessman than his months of possibly-hard-to-prove collusion and obstruction.

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:15:14am

re: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

Good luck with that. There are a number of people on the left for whom no amount of good, solid reporting is done by the NYT, and how much we’ve learned about the WH, it all comes down to hating on Maggie Haberman. Hating on her gives people the same kind of ‘Genuine Liberal’ badge you get for hating on Hillary Clinton.

It’s getting to be like the Right, sadly - point them to an article saying how Cohen’s tape dismantles Trump’s false statements, and apparently the fact that they didn’t use the magic word - “Lie” means that Haberman is sucking Trump’s dick.

Honestly, it’s getting a little misogynist in here. Seems like everyone wants to blame the entirety of the NYT on her. Somehow, nobody seems to remember it was Eric Lichtblau who wrote the pieces on the Clinton Foundation where the actual facts conveyed were completely exculpatory but the article ended with “only raises more questions.”

This is the shit that goes on on the Right, that we USED TO decry. Now we do it ourselves.

Yay us.

I do see a lot of the misogyny online with criticism of Maggie. It can really suck for us in these online spaces. No doubt.

My critical view of the Times is based on *much* more than just her and I’m not one to forget that Judith Miller happened either.

I don’t even need to die on the lie word hill to address how bad I think their political coverage and op-eds are. It is funny though that lie gets so easily deployed with other politicians. Just kinda funny.

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Targetpractice  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:18:05am

re: #97 JordanRules

I do see a lot of the misogyny online with criticism of Maggie. It can really suck for us in these online spaces. No doubt.

My critical view of the Times is based on *much* more than just her and I’m not one to forget that Judith Miller happened either.

I don’t even need to die on the lie word hill to address how bad I think their political coverage and op-eds are. It is funny though that lie gets so easily deployed with other politicians. Just kinda funny.

The paper that has bent over backwards to justify not calling Trump a liar had no trouble using the word when discussing Hillary is being defended by accusing its critics of being brain-dead misogynists who are only focusing on a single writer because she’s a woman.

Politics truly does make for strange bedfellows.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:19:27am

re: #95 Targetpractice

Yeah, I can’t imagine why anyone might think that an editorial board who has reporters tasked with reporting on palace intrigue who are collaborating on a book on their own experiences would think that the paper is pulling punches in order to avoid losing access. It must be mindless ranting and misogyny, right?

/////

Please, enlighten me. Explain to me how suggesting that Trump’s years of criminal practices in New York being exposed by the SDNY investigation may be worse for Trump than whatever comes out of the Mueller investigation is ‘pulling punches in order to avoid losing access’. Tell me how pointing out that Trump was worried about this during the transition is pulling punches.

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Targetpractice  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:25:53am

re: #99 Blind Frog Belly White

Please, enlighten me. Explain to me how suggesting that Trump’s years of criminal practices in New York being exposed by the SDNY investigation may be worse for Trump than whatever comes out of the Mueller investigation is ‘pulling punches in order to avoid losing access’. Tell me how pointing out that Trump was worried about this during the transition is pulling punches.

Which is it you’re defending, the NYT or the honor of Maggie Haberman? Because it seems as though you’ve conflated the two.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:28:02am

re: #98 Targetpractice

The paper that has bent over backwards to justify not calling Trump a liar had no trouble using the word when discussing Hillary is being defended by accusing its critics of being brain-dead misogynists who are only focusing on a single writer because she’s a woman.

Politics truly does make for strange bedfellows.

When I see people I otherwise respect REPEATEDLY mischaracterize someone’s tweets and articles to attack them, people who have clearly lost the ability to read anything she writes objectively, I feel some folks are letting all the hate of the moment crush their good sense.

I read Haberman’s tweets. They are NOT complimentary to Trump. At all. And they haven’t been for a long, long time.

Folks seem to forget that one of the first in depth articles to come out, detailing the depth of the chaos and stupidity within the Trump WH came from the NYT under her byline, as have a number of other scoops.

Maybe she doesn’t say the magic word often enough for you, but for shit’s sake, some of you folks are just getting ridiculous.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:28:55am

re: #100 Targetpractice

Which is it you’re defending, the NYT or the honor of Maggie Haberman? Because it seems as though you’ve conflated the two.

Nice non-response. Clears up matters considerably. Thanks.

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teleskiguy  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:30:11am
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Targetpractice  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:30:27am

re: #102 Blind Frog Belly White

Nice non-response. Clears up matters considerably. Thanks.

My apologies, I didn’t realize you were entertaining your martyr complex. I’ll stand over here with my maleness and reflect upon my sins.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:31:39am

re: #104 Targetpractice

My apologies, I didn’t realize you were entertaining your martyr complex. I’ll stand over her with my maleness and reflect upon my sins.

No, I was asking you to defend your position, and you couldn’t or wouldn’t, which tells me it’s all about how you FEEL, rather than about what you KNOW.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:32:16am
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Targetpractice  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:32:54am

re: #105 Blind Frog Belly White

No, I was asking you to defend your position, and you couldn’t or wouldn’t, which tells me it’s all about how you FEEL, rather than about what you KNOW.

And yours is not? You know that the paper is critical of Trump rather than feel that way? So the rest of us are simply ignorant fools who do not know what you do?

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:34:05am

This got floated alot, but if you haven’t read this thread you should.

I remember NYT being really defensive around this time and really embarrassing exchanges like this too.

I am also still trying to figure out how you say there’s 1 tape when everyone knew there was more. Like, she didn’t even have to add that tidbit to her tweet.

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teleskiguy  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:34:21am

Remember, the most destructive wildfire in California history happened only nine months ago.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:37:21am

re: #107 Targetpractice

And yours is not? You know that the paper is critical of Trump rather than feel that way? So the rest of us are simply ignorant fools who do not know what you do?

I know Haberman is critical of Trump because I can fucking READ. It’s a really simple thing. When she says she’s not sure he’s lying in the sense of intentionally saying something he knows to be false, because he doesn’t seem to know what’s true or false, IT”S NOT BEING NICE TO HIM. It’s describing a deep psychological problem.

I cannot grasp how people don’t see that.

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Targetpractice  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:41:15am

re: #110 Blind Frog Belly White

I know Haberman is critical of Trump because I can fucking READ. It’s a really simple thing. When she says she’s not sure he’s lying in the sense of intentionally saying something he knows to be false, because he doesn’t seem to know what’s true or false, IT”S NOT BEING NICE TO HIM. It’s describing a deep psychological problem.

I cannot grasp how people don’t see that.

And did she ever deign to show the same deference to Hillary? Ever argue, in print or in tweets, that she could not call the female candidate a liar because she “doesn’t seem to know what’s true or false”?

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:41:40am
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Teukka  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:42:48am

So I found this podcast, “Behind the Bastards”, their episode “The Non-Nazis Bastards Who Helped Hitler” is really interesting.

“This week we did something a little bit different. In Episode 13, Robert is joined by Naomi Ekperigin (Couples Therapy Podcast) and we will be getting ‘behind’ Hitler again, but our focus is not going to be the Fuhrer himself or any Nazis, for that matter. Instead we’re talking about the men and women who helped Hitler rise to power”.

MP3 Audio

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wheat-dogg  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:45:12am

re: #103 teleskiguy

I was dismayed to learn Chloe Bennett, one of my favorite actors, is dating Logan Paul.

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teleskiguy  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:46:58am

re: #114 wheat-dogg

He’s quite charismatic. I’ll give him that.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:47:53am

re: #114 wheat-dogg

She could do better, is all I’m saying.

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:51:29am

re: #116 wheat-dogg

She could do better, is all I’m saying.

And I hope she does because eww.

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Kragar  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:53:36am

re: #114 wheat-dogg

I was dismayed to learn Chloe Bennett, one of my favorite actors, is dating Logan Paul.

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:54:38am
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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:03:23am
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teleskiguy  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:14:14am
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teleskiguy  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:26:14am

I’m checking the #CarrFire hashtag - the wildfire burning in Redding, CA - what the fuck there is so much spam in there. Twitter sucks, man.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:30:32am

re: #118 Kragar

I follow her on Instagram. So it’s not a rumor.

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teleskiguy  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:30:37am

I’ve seen wildfires several times up close in my life.

Dude, I can’t even imagine…

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:33:34am
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teleskiguy  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:53:17am
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teleskiguy  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:09:37am

So, if any of you Lizards have ever been to a ski area you probably picked up a trail map, y’know, so you don’t get lost. Well, odds are you were looking at a James Niehues painting. He’s been drawing and painting ski area trail maps for 30 years.

James Niehues, the “Michelangelo of snow”

Well, he just joined Twitter (@JamesNiehues). He’s tweeted 14 times. He retweeted me!

So, I’m okay.

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freetoken  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:37:12am

Liberace’s TV-Show: He introduces the book *Magic of Believe* and plays the song (1950’s)

The book he references: amazon.com

The idea of magical thinking outside of the rigid dogmas of formal religion is old, very old, and in our society has always been with us, it’s not a new invention.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:52:12am

Bargain rack

The USA will be flooded with red MAGA baseball caps that no one will want to keep for fear of ridicule.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:55:58am

Wait, I’ve heard this song before.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 27, 2018 • 3:01:28am
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Dave In Austin  Jul 27, 2018 • 3:02:29am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 27, 2018 • 3:13:14am

re: #130 wheat-dogg

Brexit is causing an “exodus” of service sector workers from Britain, McDonald’s CEO says bloom

they’re all going to be replaced by service robots, remember?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 27, 2018 • 3:15:30am

re: #133 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they’re all going to be replaced by service robots, remember?

British robots. With Lucas electrical systems, no doubt? What could possibly go wrnog?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 27, 2018 • 3:17:31am

re: #134 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

British robots. With Lucas electrical systems, no doubt? What could possibly go wrnog?

The IT Crowd - Series 1 - Episode 2: Fire!

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freetoken  Jul 27, 2018 • 4:09:56am

Creationist update:

5 years after religion controversy, BSU physics professor leaving for Christian school

[…]

“I have very much enjoyed teaching and conducting research with my colleagues in the Department of Physics and Astronomy over the past 15 years,” Hedin told The Star Press via email recently. “This fall, I will begin a new academic position as professor and vice chair of the Department of Chemistry, Physics, and Engineering at Biola University in La Mirada, Calif. I look forward to the opportunity to serve in Biola’s School of Science, Technology and Health, within an academic setting where the integration of science and faith flourishes.”

[…]

In other words, Hedin always wanted to integrate “science and faith”, and all the protestation he and his supporters did previously were once again creationist deceptions.

Yet for some reason, the news outlet The Star Press, throws in some ID propaganda in the middle of the story, without reporting that Phillip Johnson’s assertion has been shown (in court) to be false:

Phillip E. Johnson, a former UC Berkeley law professor, evolutionary-science critic and co-founder of the intelligent design movement, has said, “There are two hypotheses to consider scientifically. One is you need a creative intelligence to do all the creating that has been done in the history of life; the other is you don’t, because we can show that unintelligent, purposeless, natural processes are capable of doing and actually did do the whole job. Now, that is what is taught as fact in textbooks.”

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Weaselone  Jul 27, 2018 • 4:31:23am

Late to the party, but these things can all be true:

1. The political coverage and Opeds of the NY Times can be garbage
2. Maggie Haberman can carry H2O for Trump
3. Maggie Haberman can provide information critical of Trump
4. Maggie Haberman can be subject to misogyny
5. People can criticize Maggie Haberman’s reporting and not be misogynyst
6. The NY Times coverage can be biased due to misogyny

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teleskiguy  Jul 27, 2018 • 4:36:59am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 27, 2018 • 4:39:45am

re: #136 freetoken

Being out of the physics teaching game for a while, I had to look Hedin up. He specializes in condensed matter physics and has published some papers, so he’s not some dummy when it comes to physics. He also taught astronomy at Ball State. He got in trouble because an elective course he was teaching veered into proselytizing, and he refused to tone down the religion. He’s one of those scientists who can’t seem to separate the natural world — the realm of his profession — and the supernatural world — the realm of his faith. Whether he believes God had a hand in spintronics or coupled quantum dots is an open question.

Biola, meanwhile, used to be the Bible Institute of Los Angeles before it decided to become a comprehensive university and pretend to offer a blend of secular and religious education. No doubt Prof Hedin will feel quite at home there.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 27, 2018 • 4:53:23am

Facebook bans Alex Jones for 30 days. joemygod.com

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jeffreyw  Jul 27, 2018 • 4:53:28am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Shropshire Slasher  Jul 27, 2018 • 4:54:42am

re: #134 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jul 27, 2018 • 5:05:05am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 27, 2018 • 5:08:22am

It awakes.

I like how he pretends not to have known what was going on while he was away. “Just back to the Oval Office and there’s that Mueller guy again trying to find collusion. No collusion!”

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wheat-dogg  Jul 27, 2018 • 5:16:22am

Looks like Twitter is following in Facebook’s footsteps.

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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 5:20:53am

re: #145 wheat-dogg

Looks like Twitter is following in Facebook’s footsteps.

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Or maybe it’s because their numbers were inflated.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jul 27, 2018 • 5:22:19am

re: #143 Sufficient unto the day…

That was a good read. I would think Jeff Bezos would have more at stake than Starbucks.

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b.d.  Jul 27, 2018 • 5:26:10am

re: #145 wheat-dogg

Looks like Twitter is following in Facebook’s footsteps.

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Getting rid of fake accounts hurt the market value, gotta love Wall Street.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 5:26:35am

re: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

Good luck with that. There are a number of people on the left for whom no amount of good, solid reporting is done by the NYT, and how much we’ve learned about the WH, are ever enough, it all comes down to hating on Maggie Haberman. Hating on her gives people the same kind of ‘Genuine Liberal’ badge you get for hating on Hillary Clinton.

It’s getting to be like the Right, sadly - point them to an article saying how Cohen’s tape dismantles Trump’s false statements, and apparently the fact that they didn’t use the magic word - “Lie” means that Haberman is sucking Trump’s dick.

Honestly, it’s getting a little misogynist in here. Seems like everyone wants to blame the entirety of the NYT on her. Somehow, nobody seems to remember it was Eric Lichtblau who wrote the pieces on the Clinton Foundation where the actual facts conveyed were completely exculpatory but the article ended with “only raises more questions.”

This is the shit that goes on on the Right, that we USED TO decry. Now we do it ourselves.

Yay us.

Hold on a minute. You think that we should be appreciative of the NYT publishing weekly Understand the Trump Voter and Nazi’s Are Really Ok If You Get To Know Them pieces because they do good reporting?

If you think that the only reason I hate the Times is Maggie, you have not been paying attention to the kind of shit they are publishing.

I am never going to be ok with any fucking newspaper telling me that Nazi’s are misunderstood.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 27, 2018 • 5:26:49am

re: #146 Belafon

Or maybe it’s because their numbers were inflated.

Both are overvalued for sure.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 5:29:01am

re: #96 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s an example of what I’m talking about.

Haberman tweets that the SDNY investigation into his finances will probably be worse for him than Mueller’s - the history is longer and the crimes more numerous. And she mentions how Trump obsessed about Preet Bharara, who headed SDNY.

And you get people saying she’s minimizing Mueller’s investigation.

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People are reading into her tweets what they want to see. To me, it seems like she’s saying Trump is in a lot more danger from his years of criminal behavior as a businessman than his months of possibly-hard-to-prove collusion and obstruction.

Actually, what I (and others) have said is that her writings cannot be trusted.

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b.d.  Jul 27, 2018 • 5:32:01am

Good Morning Lizards

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 5:37:46am

Of all people, Larry Klayman of ‘Freedom Watch’ calling for DoJ to investigate Bill Shine for role in FOX News coverup of allegations of sexual assault/harassment/misconduct

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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 5:37:48am

re: #45 teleskiguy

This Redding, CA fire might be one of the worst things to happen to this country in a long time.

Probably second to Puerto Rico.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 27, 2018 • 5:38:12am

re: #148 b.d.

Getting rid of fake accounts hurt the market value, gotta love Wall Street.

we confuse a company’s market value with some sense of actual worth.

the connection is based about 10% on what the company actually does and 90% on what people think shares of it are worth

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 5:41:55am

I am sorry for this. But it made me LOL in a big way.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 27, 2018 • 5:47:00am

re: #143 Sufficient unto the day…

In other words, paying employees for working.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 5:48:21am
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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 5:52:02am
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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 5:53:33am

The special effects company for Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country was Lucasfilm.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 5:57:55am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:00:23am

re: #161 MsJ

When there’s a Democratic POTUS - and a Dem Congress - I trust the Russians know there’s gonna be absolute hell to pay, right?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:00:47am

re: #161 MsJ

Panelist Karen Shakhnazarov says,
“The main reason I like Trump is because he is demolishing the U.S., the EU and the so-called West.”

That is why most all of his supporters like him, for destroying the “liberal elite US”

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:01:23am

re: #159 MsJ

I hope they’re getting an ears full from pissed off readers. I’ve reached my limit of free articles so can’t access the article and write a nasty comment.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:01:38am

re: #162 Dr Lizardo

When there’s a Democratic POTUS - and a Dem Congress - I trust the Russians know there’s gonna be absolute hell to pay, right?

That is assuming that the Russians also do not have sufficient amounts of kompromat on the Dems as well.

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ObserverArt  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:03:38am

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Exactly, it’s a mistake to think that Putin had some specific detailed policy plan for Trump to follow or even thought he would win. The plan was chaos, all Putin wanted was to damage the United States.

And…the biggie was he kept Hillary out of the White House which I think was his biggest goal.

Everything else was icing on that cake.

Putin scored beyond his wildest dreams. America lost a lot.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:04:06am

Trump is supposed to make a statement on the economy shortly.

How much you wanna bet he’ll mention collusion or Russier somehow?

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:04:26am

re: #162 Dr Lizardo

When there’s a Democratic POTUS - and a Dem Congress - I trust the Russians know there’s gonna be absolute hell to pay, right?

Which is amazing to me. I suppose they think we could not survive this. I don’t know if we have yet but I think we will.

And I hope the next person rains down hell on them. If they thought the economic sanctions were bad before, I hope whomever helms the US next brings them to their knees.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:05:20am

re: #165 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is assuming that the Russians also do not have sufficient amounts of kompromat on the Dems as well.

True.

But what’s their long-term game plan? I mean, if I were running for POTUS, one of my goals would be the absolute destruction of Russia. To bring Russia to its knees, its economy shattered, its society in chaos and ruin, its people helpless and humiliated.

But that’s just me, and it’s probably why I wouldn’t make a good POTUS.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:05:23am

re: #165 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is assuming that the Russians also do not have sufficient amounts of kompromat on the Dems as well.

I am sure there is some. But nothing like this trump thing.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:08:16am

re: #167 wheat-dogg

5% GDP?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:09:18am

re: #2 teleskiguy

Uh…

Everything is Great.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:09:22am
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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:09:25am

There is some straight up funny as hell stuff in this thread.

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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:09:29am

re: #165 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is assuming that the Russians also do not have sufficient amounts of kompromat on the Dems as well.

I can only think of one, and he only plays Democrat every four years now.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:09:58am

re: #171 Shropshire Slasher

5% GDP?

He’s going to brag about the 4.1% increase and take credit for it. You watch.

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ObserverArt  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:10:17am

re: #96 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s an example of what I’m talking about.

Haberman tweets that the SDNY investigation into his finances will probably be worse for him than Mueller’s - the history is longer and the crimes more numerous. And she mentions how Trump obsessed about Preet Bharara, who headed SDNY.

And you get people saying she’s minimizing Mueller’s investigation.

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People are reading into her tweets what they want to see. To me, it seems like she’s saying Trump is in a lot more danger from his years of criminal behavior as a businessman than his months of possibly-hard-to-prove collusion and obstruction.

I think you might be forgetting something important.

Mueller can possibly get Trump removed from office. Maybe before his term is over.

The New York prosecutors can file charges that would most likely be delayed until he is out of office.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:10:24am

re: #173 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Putin can keep him.

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:10:36am

re: #167 wheat-dogg

He’s going to crow how great the economy is because the bean counters identified it as 4.1% growth as an initial reading.

Let’s also ignore that we’ve seen 4% growth before too. Several times under Obama.

Trump’s trade war will damper the growth.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:11:14am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:11:22am

re: #167 wheat-dogg

Trump is supposed to make a statement on the economy shortly.

How much you wanna bet he’ll mention collusion or Russier somehow?

The economy is Great, end the Witch Hunt, MAGA.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:13:09am

re: #181 Sir John Barron

The economy is Great, end the Witch Hunt, MAGA.

New drinking game: every time he says the word “great” take a drink. Please observe caution during campaign rally speeches, though.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:13:37am

re: #159 MsJ

Pffffs. High schoolers. Teenagers. What about the toddlers and infants?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:14:23am

This is what I was thinking

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:14:25am

re: #169 Dr Lizardo

True.

But what’s their long-term game plan? I mean, if I were running for POTUS, one of my goals would be the absolute destruction of Russia. To bring Russia to its knees, its economy shattered, its society in chaos and ruin, its people helpless and humiliated.

But that’s just me, and it’s probably why I wouldn’t make a good POTUS.

Lots of people have tried that throughout history, and it just makes them all the ornerier and more unpredictable….

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Sir John Barron  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:14:51am

re: #153 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Of all people, Larry Klayman of ‘Freedom Watch’ calling for DoJ to investigate Bill Shine for role in FOX News coverup of allegations of sexual assault/harassment/misconduct

I is confuse.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:15:23am

re: #171 Shropshire Slasher

5% GDP?

I was just talking about this. trump is going to take credit for all the countries buying up everything they can now - before the tariffs kick in.

He just doesn’t understand anything. Anything at all.

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ObserverArt  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:15:34am

re: #97 JordanRules

I do see a lot of the misogyny online with criticism of Maggie. It can really suck for us in these online spaces. No doubt.

My critical view of the Times is based on *much* more than just her and I’m not one to forget that Judith Miller happened either.

I don’t even need to die on the lie word hill to address how bad I think their political coverage and op-eds are. It is funny though that lie gets so easily deployed with other politicians. Just kinda funny.

Yeah, I happen to remember someone yelling “you lie” at an Obama State of the Union address.

Another thing for those that might not be walking thesauruses…Trump won bigle’ by using simple words easy for the America with a vocabulary of a 10 year old.

Words like: Make America Great Again, fake news, lock her up.

I would think “lie” is easily understandable for what it means where something like false statement might not ring true.

The old KISS method. Keep It Simple Stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:15:54am

re: #183 Sir John Barron

Pffffs. High schoolers. Teenagers. What about the toddlers and infants?

How many damn pieces do we need on the idiots of all ages that continue to support this bastard?

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fern01  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:16:03am

re: #32 Kragar

The really sad part of that video is why does any woman support trump?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:17:00am

re: #190 fern01

The really sad part of that video is why does any woman support trump?

Why does anyone who isn’t financially benefiting from his corruption? But yeah women and PoC especially.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:17:40am

re: #176 wheat-dogg

He’s going to brag about the 4.1% increase and take credit for it. You watch.

Goosing it last night.

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fern01  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:17:43am

re: #36 wheat-dogg

Don’t be too harsh. The essay is definitely not complimentary, despite the poorly worded sub-head.

tl;dr Ivanka’s clothing line is trash, just like her and her father.

And those poorly worded sub-heads are there ALL the time. They know trump & friends only read headlines - so they make sure they stay in favor.

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:18:08am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:18:17am

re: #186 Sir John Barron

I is confuse.

I know, right?

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:18:30am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

How many damn pieces do we need on the idiots of all ages that continue to support this bastard?

Just wait until the shit really hits the fan. The Times will have to dig deep for new supporters. I cannot wait to hear what all the Nazi’s think. It’ll be spectacular.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:20:00am

re: #121 teleskiguy

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So who is the new oldest person to go on the clock? I read recently that people’s likelihood of dying in the next year keeps increasing until they reach the age of 105, at which time it stabilizes at about a 50% chance. So in theory a super lucky person could live forever, but in practice when you keep flipping that coin tails will come up eventually.

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ObserverArt  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:21:30am

re: #110 Blind Frog Belly White

I know Haberman is critical of Trump because I can fucking READ. It’s a really simple thing. When she says she’s not sure he’s lying in the sense of intentionally saying something he knows to be false, because he doesn’t seem to know what’s true or false, IT”S NOT BEING NICE TO HIM. It’s describing a deep psychological problem.

I cannot grasp how people don’t see that.

Because many people may not have the same depth of understanding what she is saying that you do.

Sometimes you have to come down to a level to understand others.

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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:23:18am

re: #197 Big Beautiful Door

So who is the new oldest person to go on the clock? I read recently that people’s likelihood of dying in the next year keeps increasing until they reach the age of 105, at which time it stabilizes at about a 50% chance. So in theory a super lucky person could live forever, but in practice when you keep flipping that coin tails will come up eventually.

With 7b people, and a few thousand years of civilization, we should have had one or two immortals if that were true. Lots of coins being flipped, even if some die for other reasons.

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:25:42am

re: #110 Blind Frog Belly White

I know Haberman is critical of Trump because I can fucking READ. It’s a really simple thing. When she says she’s not sure he’s lying in the sense of intentionally saying something he knows to be false, because he doesn’t seem to know what’s true or false, IT”S NOT BEING NICE TO HIM. It’s describing a deep psychological problem.

I cannot grasp how people don’t see that.

She still puts her access and her book over reporting the facts and the issues. It’s the way she frames stories as more hagiography and stenography than investigative journalism.

She doesn’t come out and say that he’s got deep seated issues, and everyone around him treats him like a toddler. Using euphemisms and burying the lede - that Trump is unstable and incompetent.

She focuses on the palace intrigue, rather than Trump’s actual actions and consequences of same. She lets herself be used by her sources to play gotcha and settle scores within the admin and throw each other under the bus.

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ObserverArt  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:26:05am

re: #141 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

That is a nice vivid blue bird.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:31:31am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Lots of people have tried that throughout history, and it just makes them all the ornerier and more unpredictable….

The best way to accomplish that is to Americanize them.

But this will have to a thorough-going Americanization, no half-hearted measures. We had an opportunity after the fall of the USSR, but we didn’t pursue it diligently enough.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:32:31am
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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:33:15am

OMG. I thought they were exaggerating.

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I do have to say, the filing is fascinating. He’s suing for deceptive political advertising.
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makeitstop  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:33:19am

I don’t have to engage in misogyny against Haberman. That reporting would stink on ice whether it was written by a man or a woman.

She routinely gets things dead wrong (‘appears to be the only tape!’ tweeted out with, as goddaamnedfrank pointed out, zero to back it up), consistently gives the Trump family the benefit of the doubt (where none is given at all where it concerns the Clintons), and actually celebrated the NYT partnering up to spread the lies contained in Clinton Cash.

When called on any of this, she took to Twitter to basically tell anyone critical of her writing or the Times’ coverage that they weren’t really smart enough to understand the great subtlety and nuance of their reporting.

And after all of this, she announces that she’s leaving Twitter rather than deal with what looks like perfectly valid criticisms of her and the NYT. She’s the victim because of those mean people pointing out where her reporting, and that of her paper, falls short or is just dead wrong.

Her reporting sucks, and it would still suck if her name was Matt Haberman.

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:34:15am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:34:51am

re: #196 MsJ

Just wait until the shit really hits the fan. The Times will have to dig deep for new supporters. I cannot wait to hear what all the Nazi’s think. It’ll be spectacular.

The NYT already has done sympathetic profiles of them. It’s just so infuriating because goddamnit, what the hell is wrong with anyone who revokes the Nazis. Even the Dixiecrats weren’t that screwed up.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:35:09am

re: #204 MsJ

Roy Moore has filed a defamation lawsuit claiming loss of consortium relating to the election. For non-lawyers, that means he’s not getting enough sex. Roy Moore is literally blaming half the State of Alabama for why he can’t get laid.

LOLOL hey Roy, that’s what Viagra is for. It’s not the fault of half of Alabamans that you can’t get it up.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:35:22am

re: #169 Dr Lizardo

True.

But what’s their long-term game plan? I mean, if I were running for POTUS, one of my goals would be the absolute destruction of Russia. To bring Russia to its knees, its economy shattered, its society in chaos and ruin, its people helpless and humiliated.

But that’s just me, and it’s probably why I wouldn’t make a good POTUS.

I myself would like to see a peaceful, prosperous, democratic Russia, but unfortunately that seems unlikely.

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ObserverArt  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:35:54am

re: #204 MsJ

OMG. I thought they were exaggerating.

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I do have to say, the filing is fascinating. He’s suing for deceptive political advertising.

Roy Moore is fucking nuts.

If the courts find anything, it should be he is unstable and needs court ordered therapy.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:36:32am

re: #204 MsJ

Party of personal responsibility speaks.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:36:36am

re: #209 Big Beautiful Door

I myself would like to see a peaceful, prosperous, democratic Russia, but unfortunately that seems unlikely.

That would require nothing less than a cultural revolution in Russia.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:36:51am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:37:14am

re: #202 Dr Lizardo

The best way to accomplish that is to Americanize them.

But this will have to a thorough-going Americanization, no half-hearted measures. We had an opportunity after the fall of the USSR, but we didn’t pursue it diligently enough.

we missed a unique opportunity because our neolibs were too busy gloating over the triumph of capitalism.

Russians came to associate us with colonial wares, pornography and moral decay.

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:39:09am
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fern01  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:39:29am

re: #96 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s an example of what I’m talking about.

Haberman tweets that the SDNY investigation into his finances will probably be worse for him than Mueller’s - the history is longer and the crimes more numerous. And she mentions how Trump obsessed about Preet Bharara, who headed SDNY.

And you get people saying she’s minimizing Mueller’s investigation.

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People are reading into her tweets what they want to see. To me, it seems like she’s saying Trump is in a lot more danger from his years of criminal behavior as a businessman than his months of possibly-hard-to-prove collusion and obstruction.

If she is suddenly realising trump has problems - maybe she has just realised her years of being his media pal are going to count for naught. It is way past time the democrats took a few ideas from the GOP - don’t give them an inch - being the good guys got trump the presidency.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:40:51am

re: #198 ObserverArt

Because many people may not have the same depth of understanding what she is saying that you do.

Sometimes you have to come down to a level to understand others.

And many people read headlines alone and discern the content from the headline.

And those headlines are misleading, which I think they do on purpose, because clicks must be had.

That doesn’t take away from the awfulness and truthiness of Maggie. If you cannot trust a reporter, their reporting isn’t worth shit.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:41:10am

re: #215 lawhawk

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jeffreyw  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:41:22am

re: #201 ObserverArt

That is a nice vivid blue bird.

Yeah, the eye is drawn to spots of color. The bunting contrasts nicely with the browns and greens.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:43:20am

re: #215 lawhawk

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Welp well I can’t say you didn’t warn us.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:43:22am

re: #199 Belafon

With 7b people, and a few thousand years of civilization, we should have had one or two immortals if that were true. Lots of coins being flipped, even if some die for other reasons.

Well that is now. In the past, what with barbarians, plague, famine, etc no-one even made it to 105. I did notice in the article that it looks like if you want to live forever, it helps to be born Japanese.

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:44:15am

So Twitter warned on profits because they’re seeing fewer users (this is what happens when you start banning Russian bots and TOS violators).

They’re going to spend more time fixing the platform.

They could advance the cause greatly by banning TOS violators - like goddamned Nazis and white supremacists who use the platform to spread their noxious bile.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:45:05am

re: #210 ObserverArt

Roy Moore is fucking nuts.

If the courts find anything, it should be he is unstable and needs court ordered therapy.

Moore has delusions of his greatness and the idea that God is directing him. Yeah, fucking nuts.

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makeitstop  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:45:15am

Yesterday I asked about this seemingly out-of-nowhere reference Trump made to a phone call when talking about doing an interview with Mueller:

TRUMP: My lawyers are working on that. I’ve always wanted to do an interview, because look, there’s been no collusion. There’s been no talk of Russia. There’s been no phone call. There’s been nothing. And it’s I call it a witch hunt. That’s exactly what it is. It’s a it’s a vicious witch hunt. And you know what? It’s very bad for our country. Very, very bad for our country.

And while roaming the webz last night I saw a tweet that referred to this story:

Donald Trump Jr. made several mysterious phone calls to blocked numbers before and after the Trump Tower meeting with Russians promising “dirt” on Hillary Clinton.

The phone calls were revealed in a report released by the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday (PDF)—part of a whirlwind day of revelations about the investigations into Trumpland. We learned, among other things, that the FBI’s investigation into the Trump campaign was deeper than previously known, and that there are millions of dollars more in suspicious financial dealings by Trump fixer Michael Cohen.

But the newly revealed actions of Trump Jr. may prove the most significant discovery, even if at the moment those actions raise more questions than answers. On the day he arranged the meeting the now-infamous Trump Tower meeting in June 2016, Trump Jr. placed two calls to blocked numbers. After the meeting ended without the promised dirt, Trump Jr. placed another call to a blocked number.

When asked if his father used a blocked number on any phone, Trump Jr. told the committee: “I don’t know.” Trump’s campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, on the other hand, testified that Trump’s “primary residence has a blocked [phone] line.”

Oh. That phone call. Once again, Trump tips his hand.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:46:29am

re: #221 Big Beautiful Door

Well that is now. In the past, what with barbarians, plague, famine, etc no-one even made it to 105. I did notice in the article that it looks like if you want to live forever, it helps to be born Japanese.

OTOH, Japan has unusually high rates of stomach cancer. It’s been speculated that it might be diet-related (I can’t remember exactly what now, but as I recall, the speculation was regarding the type of rice that’s commonly consumed in Japan).

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ObserverArt  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:47:21am

Forgot to mention…I heard earlier this morning there might be a movement of Facebook stock holders to try a move to force Mark Zuckerberg out as head of the company.

It was also stated it would be hard to do since he has so much stock thus control of the company.

I just though it interesting some people are getting a little bit miffed with the boy wonder.

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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:48:53am

re: #226 ObserverArt

Forgot to mention…I heard earlier this morning there might be a movement of Facebook stock holders to try a move to force Mark Zuckerberg out as head of the company.

It was also stated it would be hard to do since he has so much stock thus control of the company.

I just though it interesting some people are getting a little bit miffed with the boy wonder.

I thought there was an entire movie about how miffed people were at Mark.

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fern01  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:50:28am

re: #145 wheat-dogg

Looks like Twitter is following in Facebook’s footsteps.

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How a business, with income entirely dependent on “who knows what” can be viable is something those crazy enough to buy shares in same need to think about.

The great social media evolving into trolls,spies and a lying president* is a joy to behold.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:50:42am

re: #212 Dr Lizardo

That would require nothing less than a cultural revolution in Russia.

It took burning Germany and Japan to the ground and occupying them to make their transition possible.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:52:19am
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ObserverArt  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:52:58am

re: #224 makeitstop

Yesterday I asked about this seemingly out-of-nowhere reference Trump made to a phone call when talking about doing an interview with Mueller:

And while roaming the webz last night I saw a tweet that referred to this story:

Oh. That phone call. Once again, Trump tips his hand.

Did I also see where when Trump was answering a question on that Trump Tower meeting he initially said it was an important meeting but quickly shifted to unimportant meeting?

I’m trying to find that. I thought I saw that last night in some text shown the same time he was heard talking on a news report.

Donny often times gets ahead of himself and says what is true before he gets around to his creative interpretations.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:52:58am

re: #225 Dr Lizardo

OTOH, Japan has unusually high rates of stomach cancer. It’s been speculated that it might be diet-related (I can’t remember exactly what now, but as I recall, the speculation was regarding the type of rice that’s commonly consumed in Japan).

Stomach cancer used to be the number one cancer killer here, but it abruptly nosedived starting in 1949, allowing lung cancer to take top spot.

This story is usually told as if lung cancer suddenly doubled, but in fact stomach cancer dropped by half in a couple of years.

1949 is when they started adding BHA and BHT to bread as preservatives. The Japanese don’t eat a lot of bread….

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:53:45am

re: #229 Big Beautiful Door

It took burning Germany and Japan to the ground and occupying them to make their transition possible.

Yeah - but both Germany and Japan did have some, albeit limited, experience with democratic norms. In all of Russia’s long, long history, it’s basically been the story of one autocrat after another.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:54:22am

re: #226 ObserverArt

Forgot to mention…I heard earlier this morning there might be a movement of Facebook stock holders to try a move to force Mark Zuckerberg out as head of the company.

It was also stated it would be hard to do since he has so much stock thus control of the company.

I just though it interesting some people are getting a little bit miffed with the boy wonder.

Watching the value of your shares tank gets people miffed.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:54:23am

Facebook is inching up.

Twitter is going down.

The Dow is happy.

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ObserverArt  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:54:47am

re: #227 Belafon

I thought there was an entire movie about how miffed people were at Mark.

There is a totally new group of miffed Zuckerbergians.

Mark is consistent.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:55:34am

re: #232 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Stomach cancer used to be the number one cancer killer here, but it abruptly nosedived starting in 1949, allowing lung cancer to take top spot.

This story is usually told as if lung cancer suddenly doubled, but in fact stomach cancer dropped by half in a couple of years.

1949 is when they started adding BHA and BHT to bread as preservatives. The Japanese don’t eat a lot of bread….

I’d never heard of that. Very interesting. Yeah, the Japanese don’t eat much bread. Or cheese, at least the last time I was there (over a decade ago).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:58:43am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:59:04am

re: #229 Big Beautiful Door

It took burning Germany and Japan to the ground and occupying them to make their transition possible.

Yes, and had the plot to assassinate Hitler succeeded, we might have seen Germany taken over by the aristocratic elites and turned into a fascist state more like Franco’s Spain than the progressive democracy we know today.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 27, 2018 • 6:59:25am

re: #233 Dr Lizardo

Yeah - but both Germany and Japan did have some, albeit limited, experience with democratic norms. In all of Russia’s long, long history, it’s basically been the story of one autocrat after another.

They did have a brief taste of democratic, as opposed to rigged, elections in the nineties. Russia is on an unsustainable track. As a mafia state heavily dependent of fossil fuel exports, decarbonization of the world economy is going to hit them hard, and an unstable state with thousands of nuclear weapons is deeply concerning.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:00:48am

re: #237 Dr Lizardo

I’d never heard of that. Very interesting. Yeah, the Japanese don’t eat much bread. Or cheese, at least the last time I was there (over a decade ago).

Yes, I recall a Japanese roommate telling me that a certain part of the female anatomy that we in the West often say smells like fish smells like cheese to them…

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:01:21am

re: #239 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, and had the plot to assassinate Hitler succeeded, we might have seen Germany taken over by the aristocratic elites and turned into a fascist state more like Franco’s Spain than the progressive democracy we know today.

Which brings up one hopeful example of a peaceful transition from fascism to democracy, Spain!

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TedStriker  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:01:24am

re: #160 Belafon

The special effects company for Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country was Lucasfilm.

More specifically, Industrial Light and Magic, which is still a unit of Lucasfilm under Disney, AFAIK; if you have watched a movie from the 80s through at least the early-mid 00s with killer SFX, chances are it was ILM doing them.

Bonus trivia: Adam Savage and Grant Imahara of MythBusters both worked for ILM before they were on the show; in Grant’s case, ILM is who he left to join MythBusters, IIRC, while Adam left ILM to work for Jamie and M5 for quite a while before the show was pitched to Beyond Productions and Discovery.

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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:04:01am

re: #243 TedStriker

More specifically, Industrial Light and Magic, which is still a unit of Lucasfilm under Disney, AFAIK; if you have watched a movie from the 80s through at least the early-mid 00s with killer SFX, chances are it was ILM doing them.

Bonus trivia: Adam Savage and Grant Imahara of MythBusters both worked for ILM before they were on the show; in Grant’s case, ILM is who he left to join MythBusters, IIRC.

Cool. I just thought it was a great fact for the Star Wars-Star Trek wars.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:04:57am

re: #232 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Stomach cancer used to be the number one cancer killer here, but it abruptly nosedived starting in 1949, allowing lung cancer to take top spot.

This story is usually told as if lung cancer suddenly doubled, but in fact stomach cancer dropped by half in a couple of years.

1949 is when they started adding BHA and BHT to bread as preservatives. The Japanese don’t eat a lot of bread….

Deaths from stomach cancer was a steady decline since the early part of the 20th century (Figure 1 from below). Epidemiologic research attributes this decline to many factors including more refrigeration, less highly salted/smoked foods, improvements in water supply, and more availability of fresh fruits and vegetables. Another postulate is an increase availability of antibiotics.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:05:55am

Remember when some people thought we were seeing the end of history because the whole world was moving toward becoming peaceful democracies? That didn’t last long.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:06:31am
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TedStriker  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:07:45am

re: #244 Belafon

Yep, I just thought it was a great fact for the Star Wars-Star Trek wars.

Another bonus trivia: For the Star Wars prequels, Grant refurbished R2D2 (actually, there was more than one R2D2 used for filming; he did them all) and was one of its RC operators.

He is a Certified Artoo Technician (yes, that’s a thing).

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mmmirele  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:08:57am

re: #153 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Of all people, Larry Klayman of ‘Freedom Watch’ calling for DoJ to investigate Bill Shine for role in FOX News coverup of allegations of sexual assault/harassment/misconduct

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!!!!!! There’s a bulletin board I’m on where Klayman is called GIL, which stands for Grossly Inappropriate Larry. GIL was involved in a custody battle with a previous wife, where some Grossly Inappropriate Stuff came out about his relations with his kids. Since it wasn’t proven, merely discussed in a judicial report, I’m not going to post a link. The kids are adults now and don’t need that shit spread around. P.S. That stuff wouldn’t even be available except that GIL made it public when he attached it to an appeal.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:11:39am

re: #218 Dr Lizardo

OH HAI!

Now that you’re here can you comment on a weird thing that His Orangeness said yesterday about Czechoslovakia?

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:13:16am

re: #249 mmmirele

So, this is another case where we should just root for career-ending injuries?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:15:46am

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

OH HAI!

Now that you’re here can you comment on a weird thing that His Orangeness said yesterday about Czechoslovakia?

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I have absolutely no idea what he’s talking about and I’ve heard lots of stories of what Communist Czechoslovakia was like.

It’s possible that he heard it from his Ivana. She was from the town of Zlin, in South Moravia; possibly, it could’ve been some kind of local thing there. I have a student from that area - I’ll message her and ask.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:16:18am
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Dr. Matt  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:17:06am

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

OH HAI!

Now that you’re here can you comment on a weird thing that His Orangeness said yesterday about Czechoslovakia?

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Why the hell is ranting about Czechoslovakia? Did he pick up a tweet from some Russian bot named @SexxxyTrumpLover1231354654456465465454

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ObserverArt  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:17:27am

re: #247 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Hugo has a good owner…he has Hugo in his life preserver. 14/10.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:18:58am

re: #252 Dr Lizardo

I have absolutely no idea what he’s talking about and I’ve heard lots of stories of what Communist Czechoslovakia was like.

It’s possible that he heard it from his Ivana. She was from the town of Zlin, in South Moravia; possibly, it could’ve been some kind of local thing there. I have a student from that area - I’ll message her and ask.

He claims to have heard it from Ivanka when she visited her mother’s family.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:22:39am

re: #256 The Vicious Babushka

He claims to have heard it from Ivanka when she visited her mother’s family.

Then maybe it was some kind of local thing, in the Zlín area. I’ve never heard of such a thing here, or in Prague.

I have heard that during the Communist era, a $2 bill was like the ultimate collector’s item in Moravian Silesia (my area) and highly sought after.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:23:43am

re: #242 Big Beautiful Door

Which brings up one hopeful example of a peaceful transition from fascism to democracy, Spain!

Because they were surrounded by democratic states who were willing and able to exert pressure on them to change.

that does not often happen on its own

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:32:33am

About all those Glenn Greenwald deleted tweets. Something’s up with him. #MuellerTime? Hmmm.

Check out this thread.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:43:28am

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

OH HAI!

Now that you’re here can you comment on a weird thing that His Orangeness said yesterday about Czechoslovakia?

So…the Czechs are pasting dollar bills on their cars again, or Americans are pasting dollar bills on their cars?

I know it’s DJT so who knows/

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Dr. Matt  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:46:14am

re: #259 MsJ

About all those Glenn Greenwald deleted tweets. Something’s up with him. #MuellerTime? Hmmm.

Check out this thread.

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It’s just a matter of time before GG and Rage Furby join forces. They are both shattered souls and utterly despicable persons.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:46:40am

re: #260 Sir John Barron

So…the Czechs are pasting dollar bills on their cars again, or Americans are pasting dollar bills on their cars?

I know it’s DJT so who knows/

It’s just one of his weird, incoherent comments. Though I’d like to hear the story behind it. Maybe he’s mis-remembering something Ivanka told him that she’d heard when she was visiting her mom’s family in the Zlín area.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:47:11am

So it begins…..

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:49:53am

re: #261 Dr. Matt

It’s just a matter of time before GG and Rage Furby join forces. They are both shattered souls and utterly despicable persons.

You were saying…?

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b.d.  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:53:57am

re: #259 MsJ

About all those Glenn Greenwald deleted tweets. Something’s up with him. #MuellerTime? Hmmm.

Check out this thread.

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Greenwald is up to his neck in this crap. He’s an angry animal to begin with so he is going to be a laugh riot when the noose begins to tighten…

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Dr. Matt  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:54:38am

re: #264 MsJ

You were saying…?

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WTF is wrong with GG?!! He doesn’t realize that, as a gay man, those Nazi fucks hate him???!! GG hates the Left so much that he celebrates Nazis. Typical.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:54:42am

re: #264 MsJ

You were saying…?

I hope someone isn’t mistaking the real GG from the fake GG account.

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freetoken  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:56:12am

These kinds of videos - a series of images (through IR instruments) put together over time - have been available for a few years now, but with improvements in observations and more time, better videos are possible:

See: First Successful Test of Einstein’s General Relativity Near Supermassive Black Hole

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:57:05am

re: #267 Sir John Barron

I hope someone isn’t mistaking the real GG from the fake GG account.

Anything is possible but I remember seeing some of these. Until GG blocked me.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:57:58am

re: #267 Sir John Barron

I hope someone isn’t mistaking the real GG from the fake GG account.

There is a blue checkmark…..

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sagehen  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:59:17am

re: #221 Big Beautiful Door

Well that is now. In the past, what with barbarians, plague, famine, etc no-one even made it to 105. I did notice in the article that it looks like if you want to live forever, it helps to be born Japanese.

Or at least to eat as if you were. Lots of fish and veggies, smallish portions, very little red meat. Also, the most common religions there are Shinto and Buddhism, both of which practice a lot of meditation (good for your blood pressure).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 7:59:41am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:00:05am

re: #272 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

only 30?

I guess it’s a step.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:00:15am

That article! Whew! I was going to put some quotes here but, really, go read it.

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:00:30am

Great - Trump’s going to crow over all that red space, even though the vast majority of “red space” is actually low population density areas, while Democrats are crammed into urban areas (where the majority of the nation actually lives).

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Sir John Barron  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:01:05am

re: #272 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Shadow banning! Will look into right away! Illegal! Many complaints.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:03:09am

re: #273 Sir John Barron

only 30?

I guess it’s a step.

Yup. Perhaps a 30 day ban is a shot across the bow. If he fucks up again, hopefully FB wipes out his account altogether. It’s still astonishing they have given him so much leeway.

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sagehen  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:04:17am

re: #232 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Stomach cancer used to be the number one cancer killer here, but it abruptly nosedived starting in 1949, allowing lung cancer to take top spot.

This story is usually told as if lung cancer suddenly doubled, but in fact stomach cancer dropped by half in a couple of years.

1949 is when they started adding BHA and BHT to bread as preservatives. The Japanese don’t eat a lot of bread….

Japanese cancer rates starting in the late 1940’s have a pretty strong correlation to radioactivity. Because obviously.

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:04:53am

re: #278 sagehen

Japanese cancer rates starting in the late 1940’s have a pretty strong correlation to radioactivity. Because obviously.

Kaiju. Yeah, that’s it. /

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freetoken  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:06:02am

re: #275 lawhawk

The title question: ” Do you live in a political bubble?” - is very misleading.

We all live in “bubbles”. In no sense do any of us live outside of a geographic region that can be scribed within a boundary of whatever quality we want to choose. We also live in an epistemic bubble, all of us, as we all have limited available to information, some of us just do better than others.

I rather don’t like the narrative that the NYT and others have been putting out for a while now, of somehow we are a deviation from some ideal where everything is at equilibrium with everything else.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:06:23am

re: #275 lawhawk

Great - Trump’s going to crow over all that red space, even though the vast majority of “red space” is actually low population density areas, while Democrats are crammed into urban areas (where the majority of the nation actually lives).

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I can’t find the figure/stat, but doesn’t something like 60% of the US population live in Blue Counties…..?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:06:51am

So, I’ve read Jen Rubin’s latest column about Cohen’s bombshell that DJT knew ahead of time about the infamous Trump Tower meeting between the Russians and Junior, and who knows else.

Rubin, and others, seem to really think this is significant, that it heralds DJT’s downfall.

But here’s my question. Why does it matter whether He *knew* ahead of time about this meeting? I mean, of course he knew, and this would make yet another lie he’s told among many thousand. But if the meeting involves something for which criminal charges of some kind can be made, shouldn’t Junior already be rung up on some kind of charge? And isn’t DJT responsible for his campaign anyway? Whether he *knew* about the meeting or not?

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Dr. Matt  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:09:27am
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sagehen  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:10:00am

re: #242 Big Beautiful Door

Which brings up one hopeful example of a peaceful transition from fascism to democracy, Spain!

King Juan Carlos had a lot to do with making that happen. If he’d preferred fascism, they’d have stayed fascist.

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:10:09am

What changed?

Trump’s in a shit ton of trouble (legal term). Cohen’s flipping on his former boss, and Cohen also knows the people who know where all of Trump’s bodies are buried (figurative, not literal?).

But it’s also worth reminding everyone that who the hell makes deals with a bunch of women who are not your wife hundreds of thousands of dollars in payments to keep them quiet. Who negotiates those kinds of deals. What was the bargained for consideration? Where did the money come from, and why was it hidden in shell companies and LLCs to obfuscate the payments?

This isn’t the work of a master negotiator. It’s the work of a two-bit crook who dreams of the big time.

It’s as if the Sopranos and the Americans had a baby and it was high on speed and mescaline.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:11:39am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:13:06am
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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:14:26am

Facebook going back down.

Twitter downturn levels out, still down some.

Dow literally looks like a roller coaster.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:15:23am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:16:03am

re: #287 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s a few days since I’ve had to think of Crazy Ken. Those were pretty good days while they lasted.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:16:20am

re: #277 Dr. Matt

Yup. Perhaps a 30 day ban is a shot across the bow. If he fucks up again, hopefully FB wipes out his account altogether. It’s still astonishing they have given him so much leeway.

Not when you remember its all about the $$.

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:19:46am

re: #277 Dr. Matt

Yup. Perhaps a 30 day ban is a shot across the bow. If he fucks up again, hopefully FB wipes out his account altogether. It’s still astonishing they have given him so much leeway.

LOL This is straight up bullshit and they know it.
They structured his infractions in such a way as to justify not banning him. They do shit like this all the time so they can keep hate views from tons of accounts.

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Interesting Times  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:22:28am

re: #292 JordanRules

LOL This is straight up bullshit and they know it.

Aren’t endless temporary “bans” and reinstatements what they do to floor-pooper Rage Furby’s account?

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danarchy  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:22:50am

So I was just cleaning my keyboard and didn’t notice it was doing all sorts of random stuff on the screen. I noticed at least one unintentional down ding which I corrected, but if I down dinged your post just know it was not intentional.

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William Lewis  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:23:02am

re: #284 sagehen

King Juan Carlos had a lot to do with making that happen. If he’d preferred fascism, they’d have stayed fascist.

He and his son, the current monarch, staring down the Fascists on TV in 1981 was the key moment.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:24:42am
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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:26:21am
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plansbandc  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:27:29am

re: #113 Teukka

Great podcast. Frankly terrifying parallels to what is going on today.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:28:59am

re: #176 wheat-dogg

He’s going to brag about the 4.1% increase and take credit for it. You watch.

Trump is responsible for some of the 4.1% - companies bought a lot of stuff before tariffs kicked in. That orange idiot.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:29:19am

“I’m a liberal” Alan Dershowitz….

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Skip Intro  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:30:36am

re: #140 Patricia Kayden

Facebook bans Alex Jones for 30 days. joemygod.com

Does Trump know one of his chief advisors has been banned for being conservative? I await the all out attack on FB today.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:30:56am

CRAZY descent through the fog

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garzooma  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:34:13am

re: #282 Sir John Barron

But here’s my question. Why does it matter whether He *knew* ahead of time about this meeting? […] And isn’t DJT responsible for his campaign anyway? Whether he *knew* about the meeting or not?

IANAL, but I think this is true. Here in Providence, RI we had the FBI prosecute our mayor Buddy Cianci for corruption. Although they couldn’t pin anything specific on him, they still got a conviction based on running “a criminal enterprise”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:34:31am
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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:34:47am

This is a fascinating article. There are far too many people with too much money who are all in on subversion of the US. Tax the fuck out of these assholes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:36:37am
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BeachDem  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:37:18am

re: #262 Dr Lizardo

It’s just one of his weird, incoherent comments. Though I’d like to hear the story behind it. Maybe he’s mis-remembering something Ivanka told him that she’d heard when she was visiting her mom’s family in the Zlín area.

This is what Daniel Dale found—an interview with Hugh Hewitt about Ivanka’s childhood recollections—I’m sure it’s 100% true!
/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:37:32am
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Skip Intro  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:37:35am

re: #305 MsJ

This is a fascinating article. There are far too many people with too much money who are all in on subversion of the US. Tax the fuck out of these assholes.

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90% worked well back when we didn’t have a billionaire traitor class.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:42:45am

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump tells the modified version of his tale about people approaching him on the campaign trail to ask him to get their relatives’ remains back; this time, he doesn’t say it was the troops’ “parents.” He says: “Oftentimes they were older. In some cases they were younger.”

there are enough things to take him to task over, I would not harp on this one too much…

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:45:14am

re: #305 MsJ

This is a fascinating article. There are far too many people with too much money who are all in on subversion of the US. Tax the fuck out of these assholes.

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And the churches and the NRA. Tax them all damnet!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:45:28am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:45:43am

re: #280 freetoken

I rather don’t like the narrative that the NYT and others have been putting out for a while now, of somehow we are a deviation from some ideal where everything is at equilibrium with everything else.

A human being at equilibrium is dead. Politics at equilibrium is stagnant. That is a problem with conservatives an reactionaries; no progress leads to stagnation and continued inequality.

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:48:56am

re: #310 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

there are enough things to take him to task over, I would not harp on this one too much…

Dale is a Canadian correspondent and fact checker covering Washington. It’s his job to do this.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:49:38am

re: #314 JordanRules

Dale is a Canadian correspondent and fact checker covering Washington. It’s his job to do this.

I think Dale is awesome. The Toronto Star is doing some stellar reporting.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:53:18am

re: #307 BeachDem

This is what Daniel Dale found—an interview with Hugh Hewitt about Ivanka’s childhood recollections—I’m sure it’s 100% true!
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I’d call bullshit and I’ll tell you why.

If you’d taped a greenback - even a humble $1 bill - to your car’s windshield, you’d have the police (the regular cops, not State Security) breathing down your neck, wondering where did you get that hard currency, which at the time was illegal to possess?

Not to mention, you might end getting investigated by the StB for being a blackmarket currency trader.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:53:21am

Now imagine the parents of the children in cages.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:53:38am
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:54:21am

re: #169 Dr Lizardo

True.

But what’s their long-term game plan? I mean, if I were running for POTUS, one of my goals would be the absolute destruction of Russia. To bring Russia to its knees, its economy shattered, its society in chaos and ruin, its people helpless and humiliated.

But that’s just me, and it’s probably why I wouldn’t make a good POTUS.

I also find that idea emotionally satisfying. Problem is, that’s what Russia looked like in 1992, and Putin is what came of it. (Ordinary Russians don’t have any say in policy.)

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:56:20am

If only the could set this witch adrift instead of one of her yachts.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:57:39am

re: #314 JordanRules

Dale is a Canadian correspondent and fact checker covering Washington. It’s his job to do this.

In any case, we are not likely to get anything out of North Korea except some bones, and I would not trust anything they sent us without DNA testing…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:57:46am

I eagerly await all the blaming of Democrats when GDP tanks next quarter because Tariffs.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:57:55am

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

I found this

Seems a good source. tradingeconomics.com

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:58:12am

re: #299 BlueSpotinAL

Trump is responsible for some of the 4.1% - companies bought a lot of stuff before tariffs kicked in. That orange idiot.

It shifted purchases to Q2 from Q3 to avoid the tariffs that were being proposed.

Now that the tariffs have kicked in, we’ll see a significant slowdown.

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Weaselone  Jul 27, 2018 • 8:58:25am

re: #280 freetoken

The title question: ” Do you live in a political bubble?” - is very misleading.

We all live in “bubbles”. In no sense do any of us live outside of a geographic region that can be scribed within a boundary of whatever quality we want to choose. We also live in an epistemic bubble, all of us, as we all have limited available to information, some of us just do better than others.

I rather don’t like the narrative that the NYT and others have been putting out for a while now, of somehow we are a deviation from some ideal where everything is at equilibrium with everything else.

I like how the implication is that a couple of million people in a diverse city (including plenty of wingnuts) with diverse sources of information live in a bubble, but a few hundred people in a large, 99% white rural area which gets news from both channels (the local Sinclair station and Fox) plus wingnut radio and the local wingnut paper are not.

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:00:40am

re: #321 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In any case, we are not likely to get anything out of North Korea except some bones, and I would not trust anything they sent us without DNA testing…

Yup. DNA tests needed for sure.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:03:09am

still on the moron campaign trail…

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:03:52am
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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:03:55am

re: #321 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In any case, we are not likely to get anything out of North Korea except some bones, and I would not trust anything they sent us without DNA testing…

US forensic teams will be examining the remains to make the determinations. They use DNA testing, and techniques developed after 9/11 to help identify remains that were severely degraded.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:08:10am

re: #328 JordanRules

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:08:11am
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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:08:28am

re: #328 JordanRules

She has such grace. I cannot imagine being on the receiving end of the hate she gets daily.

Talk about inspirational.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:11:20am
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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:12:48am
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Jay C  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:12:59am

re: #328 JordanRules

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I love Chelsea: she has such a knack for cutting trolls dead and making them look foolish: and never with any profanity - or even a nasty word.
I wonder how she does it…..?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:13:00am
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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:14:56am

re: #332 MsJ

She has such grace. I cannot imagine being on the receiving end of the hate she gets daily.

Talk about inspirational.

More grace than I have in my big toe! She’s amazing. Her parents have accomplished so much, but she is the crown jewel.

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:16:08am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:16:43am

moron jr…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:18:12am

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

I actually don’t get it. Obama “broke” 4% four times. Why lie and make shit up when there’s zero need to do so?

Donald Trump Jr.

@DonaldJTrumpJr
Incredible numbers. I remember when “the experts” laughed about breaking 3%. Just because Obama never broke 2% doesn’t mean that someone with great policies can’t.

Because he knows that it will get retweeted and re-posted enough that it becomes a talking point and Gospel Truth and 40% under Obama is “fake news” and when called out on that then “fake statistics”.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:19:57am

re: #332 MsJ

She has such grace. I cannot imagine being on the receiving end of the hate she gets daily.

Talk about inspirational.

Like bullets off Superman. It’s incredible how she does it again and again.

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BeachDem  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:22:05am

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

still on the moron campaign trail…

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And with his Evergreen, redundant, boilerplate endorsements for every candidate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:23:04am
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electrotek  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:23:37am

Wow

Eventually, after $100,000 in attorney’s bills, Glennon was able to unmask the culprit. It turned out to be a complete stranger who had been offended by a comment Glennon had made about a news article on Facebook.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:25:32am
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ObserverArt  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:28:18am

re: #340 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because he knows that it will get retweeted and re-posted enough that it becomes a talking point and Gospel Truth and 40% under Obama is “fake news” and when called out on that then “fake statistics”.

I remember a comment I heard when Trump first took office.

The Trump family never followed politics, they were not even registered to vote were they? Anyway, the comment was because they were so new to politics they were beyond naive and thought they would do everything different and better than every administration before.

What I am getting at is Donnie Jr. probably never followed Obama’s numbers and really has no clue where his father stacks up. Someone, like his dad, said “it is the greatest” and Donnie bought in. The twerp probably doesn’t even know how to find out the actual truth. And since it is all about push the bullshit he probably doesn’t care.

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:31:16am

Damn. Wish I could trust yall but I don’t.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:36:12am

re: #344 electrotek

Wow

Glennon won her lawsuit against Rosenblum and Lupian, with a federal court in northern Alabama finding in her favor on claims of copyright violation, invasion of privacy, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and interference with her business. The judge ordered websites that published Rosenblum’s story to remove it. She’s A Homewrecker has already taken down the post, but it remains up on BadBizReport. BadBizReport’s website states that it doesn’t respond to court orders and that “there’s no way in hell to get off of BadBizReport once you’re listed on it,” adding “American lawyers make us laugh.”

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wrenchwench  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:36:52am

re: #347 JordanRules

Damn. Wish I could trust yall but I don’t.

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Did he just take the fifth?

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:37:09am
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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:38:13am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:38:31am
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makeitstop  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:40:28am

Quiet out there…almost too quiet…

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:40:36am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:41:27am

OMG

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:41:28am

lordt…

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:42:42am

re: #350 JordanRules

Roberts wants people to think we’re in a post racial society, so he used the Supreme Court to gut the VRA. Trump’s looking to gut both CRA and VRA, and roll back DOJ prosecution of states/localities violating civil rights.

Meanwhile there’s an endless supply of reports showing how whites in places of authority discriminate against minorities, and it all too often leads to death of those minorities.

Cops are trigger happy when blacks are stopped.
Cops will kill blacks when they jaywalk.
Cops will kill blacks when they follow the law and every order by the cops.
Cops will kill black teens who are playing in parks with toy guns in an open carry state.
Cops will kill black men who are holding bb guns in a store in an open carry state.
Cops will kill black drivers who comply with orders by the cops.

Add to that list paramedics will kill a black woman who had signs of a stroke because they didn’t think she/her family could pay. Their actions led to her death and needless suffering.

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:46:10am
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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:46:35am

re: #355 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

OMG

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I just saw an episode of ‘Chopped’ and those were in the ingredient basket. All the chefs were miffed and confused. Needless to say chalky dishes were served.

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wrenchwench  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:47:59am

re: #357 lawhawk

…Add to that list paramedics will kill a black woman who had signs of a stroke because they didn’t think she/her family could pay. Their actions led to her death and needless suffering.

They weren’t concerned about the money. That’s what they said after, thinking they wouldn’t look so bad.

Didn’t work.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:49:08am

re: #345 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Those numbers are all fake.

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Jay C  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:50:55am

re: #352 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I dunno, I can see the “bone shape” pretty clearly….
😜

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freetoken  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:51:29am

re: #355 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I haven’t had a Clark Bar in at least three decades.

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ericblair  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:51:52am

re: #214 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we missed a unique opportunity because our neolibs were too busy gloating over the triumph of capitalism.

Russians came to associate us with colonial wares, pornography and moral decay.

Not really. This sounds like the standard Russian line that the nasty neolibs came in and suckered the poor widdle innocent Russians who didn’t know nuffink about banks and stuff and stole their lunch money, and that let all the baddies take over and it’s all the West’s fault.

The KGB leadership were quite adept at navigating the international banking system. They had been laundering money through Western banks for decades to pay for intelligence operations, and understood the system in depth. After the collapse of the USSR, the Western experts said a lot of stuff, some helpful and some not helpful, and the KGB powers-that-be listened to the parts they liked and ignored the parts they didn’t. They maneuvered themselves to be in control of the state industries for peanuts, created the current “sistem” of pure corruption using the state and new private banks, and the now-oligarchs took over.

In retrospect, the Western experts should just have refused to participate in any sort of reconstruction unless the then-current corrupt security services were completely disbanded and the leadership removed from any power, but that would probably have looked like letting the drowning man drown out of spite. I don’t know what the best thing to do would have been.

The whole “moral decay” business is part and parcel of the archaism that Putin found useful to maintain power. He put the Russian Orthodox Church back in its historic position as a tool of state power, where the Church would kiss his ring as long as he turned the population back into their equivalent of Christian fundies. And, of course, like our fundies, their rates of abortion, divorce, drug use, HIV infection, domestic abuse and every other social ill are off the charts compared to the liberal West, but their God’s chosen, dontyaknow.

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Semper Fi  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:51:59am

re: #268 freetoken

These kinds of videos - a series of images (through IR instruments) put together over time - have been available for a few years now, but with improvements in observations and more time, better videos are possible:

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See: First Successful Test of Einstein’s General Relativity Near Supermassive Black Hole

Thanks for that…very nice.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:52:22am

re: #359 JordanRules

I just saw an episode of ‘Chopped’ and those were in the ingredient basket. All the chefs were miffed and confused. Needless to say chalky dishes were served.

I don’t get how people eat those. Tums taste better.

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:53:32am
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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:56:31am

Sunday is 100 days until the midterms.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:56:33am

re: #366 MsJ

I don’t get how people eat those. Tums taste better.

Mmmmmmm, Tums

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:56:43am
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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 9:58:59am

Media should do more to highlight this rather than just talking about these deals as if they exist and without important context. They have enough evidence to move the starting point on the discussion, learn from some mistakes and be informative and investigative not just bullhorns.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:00:38am

WTF is wrong with this planet?

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:02:04am

re: #366 MsJ

That would probably explain why they closed.

What it doesn’t explain is why they were still open.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:02:39am

re: #372 Dr. Matt

WTF is wrong with this planet?

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Paywalls in front of articles.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:02:40am

re: #372 Dr. Matt

WTF is wrong with this planet?

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Trumpism. Making hate and bigotry great again.

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:02:40am

re: #371 JordanRules

Here’s the trajectory of these stories.

1) Trump starts trade war or trashes country x.
2) Trump initiates trade war, hiking costs to American consumers.
3) Country X talks to Trump.
4) Trump makes public announcement about a huge deal.
5) Country X indicates no change to policy; there’s further discussions to be done, no deal.
6) Trump again states huge deal.
7) Media: Trump announces huge deal.
8) Media: buries lede that there’s no deal and no one knows what Trump’s referring to.
9) See 1.

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Interesting Times  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:04:08am

re: #351 lawhawk

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Apropos of nothing, Leslie Moonves is the same sociopathic creep who said this about Cheeto Benito’s rise: “It May Not Be Good for America, but It’s Damn Good for CBS!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:05:21am
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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:07:56am

re: #372 Dr. Matt

WTF is wrong with this planet?

We keep letting these people in, mostly because you can’t identify a white supremacist by looking at his skin.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:10:13am

You know what’s sad? Reading this makes me go…was it? Is this true? Fucking trump and his ruination of everything he touches.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:11:17am

re: #364 ericblair

Not really. This sounds like the standard Russian line that the nasty neolibs came in and suckered the poor widdle innocent Russians who didn’t know nuffink about banks and stuff and stole their lunch money, and that let all the baddies take over and it’s all the West’s fault.

I am talking more about the subjective opinion of the Russians, of course it was the former Communist Party leaders who screwed the country over, the West was more than happy to try to profit from it by selling them consumer goods in exchange for raw materials.

Soviets had been taught that capitalists were predatory birds who swooped down on the market, scooped a hand full of profits and then flew off, so they were not at all surprised to see that was how “capitalism” developed in their country.

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:14:20am

re: #377 Interesting Times

Apropos of nothing, Leslie Moonves is the same sociopathic creep who said this about Cheeto Benito’s rise: “It May Not Be Good for America, but It’s Damn Good for CBS!”

He’s had quite a career that I’m familiar with but that quote was my first thought. My stomach turns when his name comes up now.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:18:22am
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ObserverArt  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:19:46am

re: #363 freetoken

I haven’t had a Clark Bar in at least three decades.

I can’t even remember the last time I had one.

I sort of gave up Candy back in the late 70s. It has been rare that I have a candy bar since.

But I remember Neco wafers. They used to be in the candy machines that were in our school and in the church basement (Catholic School) where we ate lunch in grade school. They were chalky, but fun to suck on. A different candy for sure.

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:20:42am
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ericblair  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:20:43am

re: #381 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Soviets had been taught that capitalists were predatory birds who swooped down on the market, scooped a hand full of profits and then flew off, so they were not at all surprised to see that was how “capitalism” developed in their country.

Basically like Republicans, who campaign that government doesn’t work, get in power, and then prove it.

My experience with Russians during the 90s was that the Communist true believers turned into religious true believers and tsarists, and the ones who were skeptical of Communism were skeptical of the new corrupt system as well.

The current Communist party is of course just a marketing arm of Putinism geared towards the olds, but the current move to raise the retirement age (which is NOT going over well at all) gives the newer Communists an opening if they want it. It wouldn’t be pretty, that’s for sure.

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:21:14am
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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:24:37am

re: #387 JordanRules

Dershowitz is writing checks his practice cant cash. Other lawyers are slamming him (rightfully so).\

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Interesting Times  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:24:44am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:25:17am

re: #386 ericblair

My experience with Russians during the 90s was that the Communist true believers turned into religious true believers and tsarists, and the ones who were skeptical of Communism were skeptical of the new corrupt system as well.

The Communist Party was no monolith, there were a handful of idealists left who believed in World Revolution but many of them were serious Russian Nationalists who were happy to switch ideology to continue to pursue their goals.

I was also there in the early 90’s. I remember asking a colleague who was still a member of the Communist Party why he remained a member of an organization that had clearly landed on the ash heap of history, he gave me a steely gaze and said “мы победим” (we will prevail).

Now I know what he meant.

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:25:21am
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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:31:34am

re: #385 lawhawk

No one receiving a government paycheck should call someone else a parasite.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:33:15am

re: #391 JordanRules

You know, I’d almost feel sorry for her that she had to fuck and suck guys like whomever that is in the picture.

But then I’m like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. She made that bed.

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jaunte  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:33:36am
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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:33:49am
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ericblair  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:38:22am

re: #390 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Communist Party was no monolith, there were a handful of idealists left who believed in World Revolution but many of them were serious Russian Nationalists who were happy to switch ideology to continue to pursue their goals.

I was also there in the early 90’s. I remember asking a colleague who was still a member of the Communist Party why he remained a member of an organization that had clearly landed on the ash heap of history, he gave me a steely gaze and said “мы победим” (we will prevail).

Now I know what he meant.

As far as I can see it, the Russian Communist party is mainly the Soviet nostalgia party, whose followers are consumed by the good old days when Russia made everyone tremble in their boots. They’re also Russian nationalists and Orthodox (or sometimes Muslim) believers, which is of course completely schizophrenic, but if you squint enough it means that they are pro Russian imperialism no matter what coat of paint it has.

The new candidate (Grudinin) is a rich farm owner and essentially a mini-oligarch, for chrissake. However, he’s not beholden to Putinism like the old guard, and he might smell opportunity by capitalizing on the growing pension unrest (where there are already lots of Communist flags out). Dangerous game, though.

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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:38:34am

re: #395 JordanRules

So, Putin and Trump meet in Helsinki. Trump comes home, invites Putin, who turns it down. But Putin invites Trump and states that it was already a thing. Hmmm.

I wonder if Putin needs to berate Trump for his bad performance after Helsinki?

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:41:36am

re: #282 Sir John Barron

So, I’ve read Jen Rubin’s latest column about Cohen’s bombshell that DJT knew ahead of time about the infamous Trump Tower meeting between the Russians and Junior, and who knows else.

Rubin, and others, seem to really think this is significant, that it heralds DJT’s downfall.

But here’s my question. Why does it matter whether He *knew* ahead of time about this meeting? I mean, of course he knew, and this would make yet another lie he’s told among many thousand. But if the meeting involves something for which criminal charges of some kind can be made, shouldn’t Junior already be rung up on some kind of charge? And isn’t DJT responsible for his campaign anyway? Whether he *knew* about the meeting or not?

He’s not criminally liable for criminal activity he didn’t know about, since a campaign isn’t a criminal conspiracy. So if the evidence shows he was aware and approved of criminal activity, its big news.

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jaunte  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:43:34am

re: #397 Belafon

So, Putin and Trump meet in Helsinki. Trump comes home, invites Putin, who turns it down. But Putin invites Trump and states that it was already a thing. Hmmm.

I wonder if Putin needs to berate Trump for his bad performance after Helsinki?

I think he has a much clearer picture of just how empty Trump’s head is, and he’s going to set up a base camp in there.

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:46:36am

re: #398 Big Beautiful Door

Except we’re continuing to see evidence that Trump treated all of his business like a criminal syndicate and the campaign was no exception. Using money in suspect and criminal manner, evading financial disclosure rules, and setting up straw companies to pay off women is just one aspect of this criminal conduct.

Trump signaled that he wanted Russia to interfere.
Trump knew the meeting with Russians would take place.
Trump then drafted letter for Junior lying about the nature of that Russian meeting.

Even if he didn’t know at the outset that the Russians would be conspiring with members of his team to throw the election outcome, his lies afterwards further the conspiracy.

He’d still be liable for the acts of the conspiracy under federal conspiracy law.

18 U.S. Code § 371

He furthered the conspiracy by lying on Junior’s behalf. That makes him part of the conspiracy. The question is how much earlier did he begin to conspire with the rest of his family and cronies to act against the US.

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jaunte  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:47:08am
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Jay C  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:49:54am

re: #398 Big Beautiful Door

He’s not criminally liable for criminal activity he didn’t know about, since a campaign isn’t a criminal conspiracy. So if the evidence shows he was aware and approved of criminal activity, its big news.

Are you sure Trump’s 2016 run isn’t an exception to that rule???

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:50:37am

re: #401 jaunte

This picture has soooo much!!! So much!!
I can’t stop looking at it!

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:56:42am
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gocart mozart  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:57:42am
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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 10:59:27am

re: #405 gocart mozart

I saw Hello Dolly a few months back with Bernadette Peters, and it was a great show. I’m sure it was awesome with Bette.

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:00:39am
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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:01:31am

re: #401 jaunte

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sagehen  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:01:42am

re: #328 JordanRules

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Biggest clue that it’s a “parody” site (even though it doesn’t say so on it…)

“Bin Laden, who trained the 9/11 terrorists, was then sent to Cheyenne Mountain to be sent off-world and kept safe from prosecution while Obama and Clinton staged his death. Documents linking the Clinton Foundation directly to General George Hammond of SG Command were the final piece of the puzzle.”

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:02:30am

This list! 💋❤️💋

This isn’t just giving me a girlie woody but a multi-orgasmic one at that.

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gocart mozart  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:04:07am
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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:04:12am

re: #409 sagehen

Biggest clue that it’s a “parody” site (even though it doesn’t say so on it…)

“Bin Laden, who trained the 9/11 terrorists, was then sent to Cheyenne Mountain to be sent off-world and kept safe from prosecution while Obama and Clinton staged his death. Documents linking the Clinton Foundation directly to General George Hammond of SG Command were the final piece of the puzzle.”

Your parody is another’s QAnon.

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:05:00am

re: #409 sagehen

Biggest clue that it’s a “parody” site (even though it doesn’t say so on it…)

“Bin Laden, who trained the 9/11 terrorists, was then sent to Cheyenne Mountain to be sent off-world and kept safe from prosecution while Obama and Clinton staged his death. Documents linking the Clinton Foundation directly to General George Hammond of SG Command were the final piece of the puzzle.”

QAnon

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:08:59am
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Teukka  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:12:01am

re: #414 JordanRules

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Not surprised. Not anymore.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:14:32am

re: #414 JordanRules

All that bullshit that these wingnuts have about Democrats running child sex trafficking rings and forcibly detaining kids and sexually abusing them?

Yep……..100% pure, straight-up, unadulterated projection.

Turns out it’s the wingnuts doing it.

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:18:01am

White fascists cure economic anxiety.

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:20:19am
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wrenchwench  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:21:42am

re: #415 Teukka

Not surprised. Not anymore.

The abuse of the most vulnerable has been going on for years. It has gotten worse under Trump, whose blatant racism shines a light on so much, that even his like-minded cohorts are beginning to want him to be shut down.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:22:02am

re: #412 MsJ

Your parody is another’s QAnon.

Sure, but George Hammond isn’t just a fictional character, he’s a dead fictional character.
I suppose the Clintons must have gotten him.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:23:23am

re: #419 wrenchwench

The abuse of the most vulnerable has been going on for years. It has gotten worse under Trump, whose blatant racism shines a light on so much, that even his like-minded cohorts are beginning to want him to be shut down.

Liberals shine a light on that, and try to stop it, which may be why many Conservatives hate Liberalism so much.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:25:11am

re: #416 Dr Lizardo

All that bullshit that these wingnuts have about Democrats running child sex trafficking rings and forcibly detaining kids and sexually abusing them?

Yep……..100% pure, straight-up, unadulterated projection.

Turns out it’s the wingnuts doing it.

Authoritarians abuse people. That’s just how authoritarianism works. No one is surprised.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:26:25am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:26:34am

re: #350 JordanRules

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lock those racist bastards up.

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wrenchwench  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:26:42am

re: #421 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Liberals shine a light on that, and try to stop it, which may be why many Conservatives hate Liberalism so much.

Some liberals are only now waking up to how bad things have been for many for a long time. Conservatives don’t want to wake up, they hate those who search for a pulse to see if they’re even human.

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:28:19am

re: #417 JordanRules

They ran up a trillion dollar debt while the economy is strong. They’ve fleeced taxpayers and engaged in mass redistribution of wealth - which is what that also represents.

But they went nuts when Obama ran up a deficit during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression and that spending kept things from getting even worse.

In fact, the GOP went nuts when GWB (and Obama) signed off on the auto bailout - which turned out to be comparable in size than the Trump trade war bailout for agribusinesses.

Trump bailout: $12 billion.
TARP auto bailout payments to GM and Chrysler: total cost to taxpayers after the outlay of $80 billion: $12 billion. Most of the money was repaid earlier than expected.

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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:29:59am

re: #425 wrenchwench

Some liberals are only now waking up to how bad things have been for many for a long time. Conservatives don’t want to wake up, they hate those who search for a pulse to see if they’re even human.

To paraphrase, we’re not perfect, but at least we’re not evil.

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gocart mozart  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:30:40am
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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:31:05am
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Teukka  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:31:58am

Another shameless plug:

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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:32:11am

re: #429 MsJ

Always worry about the ninja behind you.

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wrenchwench  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:33:07am

re: #427 Belafon

To paraphrase, we’re not perfect, but at least we’re not evil.

We are all improving, and we have all the room in the world for improvement. Everybody fits somewhere on some spectrum.

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:38:20am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:45:26am

re: #197 Big Beautiful Door

So who is the new oldest person to go on the clock? I read recently that people’s likelihood of dying in the next year keeps increasing until they reach the age of 105, at which time it stabilizes at about a 50% chance. So in theory a super lucky person could live forever, but in practice when you keep flipping that coin tails will come up eventually.

Grandma Bacon lived to 107. She passed away 17 days after her birthday.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:45:43am

A piece of good news. As a last blow to the environment before leaving, Scott Pruitt lifted the limit on super polluting “glider” trucks. A court reversed his decision, but the EPA is still going to work on loosening the regulations based on a study disavowed by the University which produced it.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:47:17am

Just egregiously mean spirited.

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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:47:28am
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Skip Intro  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:49:48am

re: #167 wheat-dogg

Trump is supposed to make a statement on the economy shortly.

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How much you wanna bet he’ll mention collusion or Russier somehow?

He’ll be giving himself an award is my bet.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:51:44am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:52:58am

re: #434 Joe Bacon 🌹

Grandma Bacon lived to 107. She passed away 17 days after her birthday.

Zedushka’s Aunt Anna (his mother’s sister) lived to 106. He always said she was so mean the Angel of Death was afraid of her.

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wrenchwench  Jul 27, 2018 • 11:59:28am

re: #438 Skip Intro

He’ll be giving himself an award is my bet.

In the Spy, I first read that as, ‘He’ll be throwing himself on his sword.’ But before I reread it, I had dismissed the idea with ‘bone spurs’.

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gocart mozart  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:01:46pm
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plansbandc  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:05:14pm

re: #366 MsJ

Tums are delicious. :D

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:05:27pm

Governor Matt Bevin only has a 29% approval rating, one of the worst in the country, but he doesn’t have to face the voters until next year.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:05:42pm
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JordanRules  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:07:11pm
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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:07:55pm

re: #444 Big Beautiful Door

Governor Matt Bevin only has a 29% approval rating, one of the worst in the country, but he doesn’t have to face the voters until next year.

Two more points to hit the Republican rock bottom.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:09:37pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:10:05pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:11:15pm

re: #449 gocart mozart

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Funny!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:11:25pm

re: #447 MsJ

Two more points to hit the Republican rock bottom.

27% is the crazification-factor in Illinois. Maybe it’s 29% in KY. Maybe it’s higher, and even some of the crazies have abandoned him.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:12:09pm
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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:12:55pm

Holy cow. Cernovich has pissed off Stuttering John. And is a beautiful thing.

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gocart mozart  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:13:23pm
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Shropshire Slasher  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:15:59pm

Former NY State Speaker Sheldon Silver sentenced to 7 years in prison for corruption.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:18:49pm

re: #452 Charles Johnson

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That is one gargantuan if there. The economy definitively won’t continue to grow at a 4% rate. One reason is Trump is doing everything he can to restrict the size of our work force. Another is that Trump’s trade wars are losing us foreign markets.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:18:58pm
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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:19:07pm

re: #455 Shropshire Slasher

Former NY State Speaker Sheldon Silver sentenced to 7 years in prison for corruption.

Where he failed:
1. He chose the wrong party to be in if was going to break the law.
2. He’s in the wrong state (here in Texas, he could have run for AG).

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:21:55pm

re: #455 Shropshire Slasher

Former NY State Speaker Sheldon Silver sentenced to 7 years in prison for corruption.

That’s in the retrial.

That follows the retrial and conviction of Skelos and his son.

The NY legislature still reeks of corruption, and they don’t do anything about it because it’s treated as a part time legislature so they can hold outside jobs - a situation ripe for corruption and self dealing.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:22:07pm
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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:25:20pm
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makeitstop  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:33:02pm

re: #460 Dr. Matt

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Wearing all those Russian clothes in the LA heat? They’re gonna smell like a couple of dead weasels by the end of the day, if they don’t already.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:37:26pm
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plansbandc  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:37:55pm

re: #406 lawhawk

I think Bette was born to play Dolly.

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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:39:32pm

re: #463 MsJ

If we had a functioning president, he’d state something about countries getting to determine their own destiny.

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plansbandc  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:40:04pm

re: #423 The Vicious Babushka

That is so beautiful. My favorite pie of all pies.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:45:35pm

re: #457 The Vicious Babushka

Nukes don’t exist? 100,000 or so people who were alive in Hiroshima on August 5, 1945 would have liked to be able to agree.

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:45:58pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:56:23pm
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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:59:06pm

Anyone on an iPhone out there? Can you see this video? I can’t play any media.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 12:59:37pm

re: #470 MsJ

Anyone on an iPhone out there? Can you see this video? I can’t play any media.

[]

Actual link.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:00:04pm

re: #467 Blind Frog Belly White

Nukes don’t exist? 100,000 or so people who were alive in Hiroshima on August 5, 1945 would have liked to be able to agree.

In the universe in which there was no Holocaust, the moon landing was faked, vaccines cause disease, Obama was born in Kenya and 9/11 and Sandy Hook were “false flag” operations.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:01:07pm

re: #471 MsJ

Actual link.

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Weird. I can play it here but not on Twitter itself.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:04:54pm

re: #467 Blind Frog Belly White

Nukes don’t exist? 100,000 or so people who were alive in Hiroshima on August 5, 1945 would have liked to be able to agree.

Obviously they were killed by demons.

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makeitstop  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:05:28pm

On this day in 1979, AC/DC released this single. Amen and hallelueah.

AC/DC - Highway to Hell

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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:11:03pm

re: #475 makeitstop

On this day in 1979, AC/DC released this single. Amen and hallelueah.

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Last night, the final concert at the Concert on the Lake series in Rockwall, they had an AC/DC tribute band, Back in Black. They weren’t bad. The lead singer had the voice down, and the guitarist had both the playing style and the outfit to match.

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makeitstop  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:13:10pm

re: #476 Belafon

Last night, the final concert at the Concert on the Lake series in Rockwall, they had an AC/DC tribute band, Back in Black. They weren’t bad. The lead singer had the voice down, and the guitarist had both the playing style and the outfit to match.

A friend of mine fronts a NY version called Live Wire. They do pretty well on the East Coast.

My friend is more Brian Johnson than Bon Scott, though. I wish Bon would have stuck around for another couple of records.

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lawhawk  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:14:52pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:16:17pm

Turning Point USA Courts Activist Who Said Jews Want the ‘Destruction of the Black Community’

TPUSA’s founder is a fan of Bryan Sharpe, who says ‘Jutang Clan’ runs America and ‘Holocaust denier’ is a term ‘created to hide the truth.’

The Devil-horns on Charlie seem appropriate.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:18:45pm

re: #478 lawhawk

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:20:54pm

re: #478 lawhawk

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ObserverArt  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:22:52pm

re: #475 makeitstop

On this day in 1979, AC/DC released this single. Amen and hallelueah.

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Video

1979 was a weird time in rock music. By ‘79 I had moved into all the great New Wave (? classifications) stuff that was coming out like Joe Jackson, Squeeze, The Police, etc.

So when I heard Highway to Hell I really didn’t care that much because I guess I saw it as music that was still part of the 70’s hard rock era and they seemed so basic.

I appreciate more now what they did then. I guess time adds perspective and takes away from fashion.

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TedStriker  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:27:11pm

re: #475 makeitstop

On this day in 1979, AC/DC released this single. Amen and hallelueah.

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All hail St. Bon…another gone too soon, though who knows how AC/DC would have fared over the years with Bon and without Brian.

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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:27:53pm

Ashton Kutcher is doing something with his money:

The 40-year-old actor’s nonprofit organization, Thorn: Digital Defenders of Children, assisted law enforcement in identifying 5,894 child sex trafficking victims and rescuing 103 children from “situations where their sexual abuse was recorded and distributed” last year, according to the organization’s own 2017 impact report. His ex-wife Demi Moore is a co-founder.

Its data claimed that THORN also helped disrupt 6,608 perpetrators, encouraged over 140,000 individuals seeking child sexual abuse material to get help and educated 3.5 million teens through its Stop Sextortion campaign.

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gocart mozart  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:29:18pm
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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:31:06pm

Jesus. More than one Nazi running in Canada. Read the thread. Fuck!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:32:12pm

re: #484 Belafon

Sounds like a good cause, but why testify before Congress with bed-head?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:32:59pm
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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:33:28pm

re: #487 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Sounds like a good cause, but why testify before Congress with bed-head?

[Embedded content]

Would he be Ashton Kutcher without it?

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TedStriker  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:35:21pm

re: #484 Belafon

Ashton Kutcher is doing something with his money:

To everyone who’s said for the past twenty years that Kutcher is just a pretty face/bod without a brain (especially when those tended to be the type of roles he took in his early career [That 70s Show and Dude, Where’s My Car?, to name a couple]), take note: things are not always what they seem.

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TedStriker  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:36:21pm

re: #487 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Sounds like a good cause, but why testify before Congress with bed-head?

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I’m a straight white dude, but Kutcher still makes bedhead look good.

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makeitstop  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:36:26pm

re: #482 ObserverArt

1979 was a weird time in rock music. By ‘79 I had moved into all the great New Wave (? classifications) stuff that was coming out like Joe Jackson, Squeeze, The Police, etc.

So when I heard Highway to Hell I really didn’t care that much because I guess I saw it as music that was still part of the 70’s hard rock era and they seemed so basic.

I appreciate more now what they did then. I guess time as perspective and takes away from fashion.

That record was huge in my band house at the time. We were listening to the Jacksons and Costellos a lot - our light man’s day job at the time was running a record store, and we got tons of promo discs - but ‘Highway to Hell’ was the absolute shiz around my band.

What kills me is just how well Mutt Lange’s production holds up. And they didn’t want to use him as a producer (they wanted to use Angus and Mal’s brother George), but Mutt put both himself and the band on the map with that record.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:38:46pm

re: #489 Belafon

Would he be Ashton Kutcher without it?

They probably made him take his cap off at the door.

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ObserverArt  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:41:13pm

re: #487 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Sounds like a good cause, but why testify before Congress with bed-head?

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Well, this guy is running for Congress in Ohio’s 12th district in the special election coming up a week from this Tuesday. And every photo I’ve seen and in his commercials he has this blown up in the wind hair style.

Name Troy Balderso, Ohio State Senator.

He is running to keep the seat Republican as mentioned before it was John Kasich’s old seat from the 80’s and was kept by Pat Tiberi all the way up to this year when he announced he was resigning.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:41:27pm

I’m in GA! Florida tomorrow.

I’ve been through some STATES lately!

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:41:46pm

re: #486 MsJ

Toronto is very multicultural. She has zero chance of winning. This must be a publicity stunt.

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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:42:21pm

re: #495 Stanley Sea

I’m in GA! Florida tomorrow.

I’ve been through some STATES lately!

Confusion? Despair? Excitement? Anger?

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wrenchwench  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:42:43pm

re: #488 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Judd Legum

@JuddLegum

10. If you appreciate this kind of research and analysis, you’ll probably like my new newsletter, Popular Information.

You can sign up at popular.info

I have signed up. This was his first week of emails. Looks good.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:43:09pm

re: #494 ObserverArt

The Boris Johnson look is everywhere.

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mmmirele  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:43:10pm

re: #457 The Vicious Babushka

Someone caught themselves a sovereign citizen in the wild! I’m trying to figure out how many sovereign citizen tropes I can identify on the back of the vehicle. But there is one missing, and that’s the fake license plate.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:44:02pm

re: #497 Belafon

Confusion? Despair? Excitement? Anger?

Trump was in my state yesterday, and I still feel a bit barfy.

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wrenchwench  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:45:31pm

re: #496 Patricia Kayden

Toronto is very multicultural. She has zero chance of winning. This must be a publicity stunt.

We said the same thing about Trump. And look what happened…

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:48:29pm

re: #502 wrenchwench

We said the same thing about Trump. And look what happened…

Precisely.

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ObserverArt  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:49:23pm

Things I did not know.

Seeing the mention of Geraldo, I did a quick wiki to check something on him and discovered they list his residence as Shaker Heights, Ohio. That is a fairly affluent suburb of Cleveland.

What’s up with that New York guy?

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Stanley Sea  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:50:04pm

re: #497 Belafon

Confusion? Despair? Excitement? Anger?

I drove 5 hours today. That is the daily max for the rest of my life.

I’m enjoying my freedom actually.

Went through some massive rain storms on 95 where you couldn’t see 20 feet ahead. It was like riding a bike.

But amazed at the idjits that do not know what headlights/tail lights are for.

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Belafon  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:51:17pm

re: #505 Stanley Sea

I drove 5 hours today. That is the daily max for the rest of my life.

I’m enjoying my freedom actually.

Went through some massive rain storms on 95 where you couldn’t see 20 feet ahead. It was like riding a bike.

But amazed at the idjits that do not know what headlights/tail lights are for.

Forcing them to turn their headlights on infringes on their freedom. // Snark from me, not from the people that live around me

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wrenchwench  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:52:12pm

re: #505 Stanley Sea

Went through some massive rain storms on 95 where you couldn’t see 20 feet ahead. It was like riding a bike.

I’ve always had pretty good visibility when on a bike…

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makeitstop  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:52:42pm

re: #504 ObserverArt

Things I did not know.

Seeing the mention of Geraldo, I did a quick wiki to check something on him and discovered they list his residence as Shaker Heights, Ohio. That is a fairly affluent suburb of Cleveland.

What’s up with that New York guy?

Doesn’t Peter Frampton live in Shaker Heights, too? I vaguely remember reading that somewhere.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:53:19pm

re: #507 wrenchwench

I’ve always had pretty good visibility when on a bike…

Pile of 12 motorcyclists under a bridge was interesting.

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ObserverArt  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:55:22pm

re: #506 Belafon

Forcing them to turn their headlights on infringes on their freedom. // Snark from me, not from the people that live around me

State law in Ohio now. As soon as it starts to rain you are supposed to have your lights on.

Of course so many people are unaware and it is one of those kinds of things the police ignore until they have you on something else or there is an accident.

Everyone knows how many grey and greyish cars are out there on the roads.

Guess who disappears in a heavy rain more than other colors? And I swear it seems people in that color of car have the hardest time following the law.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:58:15pm
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ObserverArt  Jul 27, 2018 • 1:59:18pm

re: #508 makeitstop

Doesn’t Peter Frampton live in Shaker Heights, too? I vaguely remember reading that somewhere.

I think he lived down Cincinnati way for some time, but has since moved further south to music city.

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jaunte  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:01:43pm

“If you’re a predator, it’s a gold mine.”
That was Trump’s view of the Presidency, too.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:02:07pm

re: #502 wrenchwench

No. She has zero chance of winning. There is no gerrymandering and voter suppression tactics and all that nonsense in Toronto (or Canada as far as I know).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:04:24pm

I’m really hoping the guards watching over the mystery sarcophagus aren’t asleep on duty right now.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:04:38pm
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TedStriker  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:04:38pm

re: #512 ObserverArt

I think he lived down Cincinnati way for some time, but has since moved further south to music city.

Frampton did have a house here in Nashville for a while, but, last I heard, he decamped back up to OH a year or two ago.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:05:56pm

re: #508 makeitstop

Doesn’t Peter Frampton live in Shaker Heights, too? I vaguely remember reading that somewhere.

he lived in Indian Hill, a wealthy burb in Cincinnati before he moved to Nashville.

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MsJ  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:06:03pm
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ObserverArt  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:06:43pm

Just saw the video of Rudy on Fox last night. He has Trump-mouth disease. How many times did he call Cohen a liar???

He needs to talk to Maggie at The Times for some new words. But then those Trump methods work.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:07:08pm

re: #488 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

OK, except for all THOSE meetings, there was absolutely NO CONTACT between DrumpF campaign and Russian officials.

/////

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:08:31pm

re: #516 goddamnedfrank

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That’s a wide angle lens, and thus distorts perspective, or else that woman has HUGE fucking hands.

If the latter, when can we introduce her to Trump so we can get a picture of his baby hand enveloped in a woman’s hand?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:08:39pm

re: #520 ObserverArt

Just saw the video of Rudy on Fox last night. He has Trump-mouth disease. How many times did he call Cohen a liar???

He needs to talk to Maggie at The Times for some new words. But then those Trump methods work.

How long before Guliani goes rogue on Drumpt and some other crony is calling Mr. Mayor a liar?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:09:29pm

re: #519 MsJ

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I believe that’s ‘Collision’, rather than Collusion.
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ObserverArt  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:09:32pm

re: #517 TedStriker

Frampton did have a house here in Nashville for a while, but, last I heard, he decamped back up to OH a year or two ago.

Heh. Dude moves around a lot!

Maybe makeitstop is correct and he is up near Cleveland.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:10:43pm

re: #511 Charles Johnson

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What’s with the ❌ emoji on all these wingnut twitter display names?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:11:20pm

re: #525 ObserverArt

Heh. Dude moves around a lot!

Maybe makeitstop is correct and he is up near Cleveland.

Apparently, he’s back in Indian Hill.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:11:41pm

re: #526 goddamnedfrank

What’s with the ❌ emoji on all these wingnut twitter display names?

If Trump were using it, it would make sense. After all, “X marks despot”.
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:11:46pm

re: #522 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s a wide angle lens, and thus distorts perspective, or else that woman has HUGE fucking hands.

If the latter, when can we introduce her to Trump so we can get a picture of his baby hand enveloped in a woman’s hand?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:12:12pm

re: #526 goddamnedfrank

What’s with the ❌ emoji on all these wingnut twitter display names?

The new TGDN?

///

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makeitstop  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:14:20pm

re: #526 goddamnedfrank

What’s with the ❌ emoji on all these wingnut twitter display names?

Twitter shorthand for ‘I’m an asshole.’

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:19:08pm

re: #529 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Not that he’s not a big cat, but look at the size of her hands in that picture compared to her head.

BTW, Mrs. FBW used to have a big, BIG cat. He weighed about 25lbs. Had the longest head I’d ever seen on a cat. Long body, too. Totally dwarfed the 12# cats I had. He was white, with an orange tabby tail. I called him “The Albino Raccoon”.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:32:23pm

re: #532 Blind Frog Belly White

Not that he’s not a big cat, but look at the size of her hands in that picture compared to her head.

BTW, Mrs. FBW used to have a big, BIG cat. He weighed about 25lbs. Had the longest head I’d ever seen on a cat. Long body, too. Totally dwarfed the 12# cats I had. He was white, with an orange tabby tail. I called him “The Albino Raccoon”.

Are you sure that cat wasn’t an albino kudamundi? Or, as I called them, the racoon monkey dogs of Panama

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:35:18pm

re: #533 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Are you sure that cat wasn’t an albino kudamundi? Or, as I called them, the racoon monkey dogs of Panama

His tail was not prehensile. And he had the daintiest little cat feet. And while he treated us with distant politeness, he fucking WORSHIPPED everyone else he encountered.

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wrenchwench  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:36:40pm

re: #531 makeitstop

Twitter shorthand for ‘I’m an asshole.’

Denis Leary - Asshole - Live

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BeachDem  Jul 27, 2018 • 2:46:37pm

re: #504 ObserverArt

Things I did not know.

Seeing the mention of Geraldo, I did a quick wiki to check something on him and discovered they list his residence as Shaker Heights, Ohio. That is a fairly affluent suburb of Cleveland.

What’s up with that New York guy?

His wife is from Shaker Heights.

Geraldo Rivera soon will be calling Cleveland home, at least for a good part of the year. He will be keeping a New Jersey residence and his regular gig with the Fox News Channel, but Rivera will be making the move to Northeast Ohio this summer.

Rivera, 73, already knows the Cleveland area quite well. His wife, Erica Levy, is from Shaker Heights, and many relatives still live in Northeast Ohio.

cleveland.com


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