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TedStriker  May 17, 2024 • 5:52:16pm

“Mindless peckers”

Beavis and Butt-Head laughing

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 17, 2024 • 5:56:39pm

re: #102 mmmirele

I don’t think the Mango Menace will show up for any debate.

With luck Trump should be found guilty in NY by then, and when he tries to run away the judge should make him wear an ankle bracelet.

And CNN should show it on TV.

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Charles Johnson  May 17, 2024 • 5:58:51pm

I hereby predict that Trump will back out of the debate and come up with a stupid way to blame it on Biden.

Charles Johnson (@charles.littlegreenfootballs.com) 2024-05-18T00:57:36.000Z

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 17, 2024 • 6:01:15pm

The media are trying really hard to horse-race the election.

On the Yahoo splash page for me the top news story is that Biden and Trump are “tied” in the polls.

For sure the Trumpers will vote for Trump no matter what. And many Republicans may feel obliged to do so too.

But the question that the pollsters are not answering is how many of the Republicans will actually show up to vote.

They are weighting their polls according to old data about party affiliations.

But I think this year will find that the electorate will have huge holes in the turnout in some places, and great surges in other places (where abortion is on the local agenda.)

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Nerdy Fish  May 17, 2024 • 6:05:05pm

re: #4 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I saw a poll from a few days that said among all Americans, Trump was winning. Among registered voters, Biden was up by a little. Among likely voters, Biden was up by a pretty good margin. The Democratic base is motivated. We aren’t trying to elect a convicted felon to overthrow democracy. We have things to fight for.

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William Lewis  May 17, 2024 • 6:05:36pm

re: #4 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

And there are huge numbers of young voters who may not be thrilled with Biden but when I see their fury at the GOP and the corporations? Yeah, I’d guess where their votes are going.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 17, 2024 • 6:06:05pm

About 13 million Americans will have died since the 2020 election, come this November.

The question is how many of them were voters.

And the older population were not the diehard Trumpers. The diehard Trumpers are middle-age, mostly male and white.

The big difference are newly registered young voters.

Young people tend to be not dependable voters.

But if this year sees a higher than average turnout of under 30’s, then that will be a good thing.

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Charles Johnson  May 17, 2024 • 6:06:40pm

I will always look askance at libertarian pundits, because libertarianism poisons everything.

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Belafon  May 17, 2024 • 6:25:25pm

re: #5 Nerdy Fish

I saw a poll from a few days that said among all Americans, Trump was winning. Among registered voters, Biden was up by a little. Among likely voters, Biden was up by a pretty good margin. The Democratic base is motivated. We aren’t trying to elect a convicted felon to overthrow democracy. We have things to fight for.

I’m sure that poll used the same methodology as the one that showed Republicans would be running away with the 2022 election.

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darthstar  May 17, 2024 • 6:28:30pm

re: #1 TedStriker

“Mindless peckers”

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Peckers can be mindless pigeons.

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darthstar  May 17, 2024 • 6:36:08pm

True story: When my wife and I first started dating she lived in this house in the Excelsior area of San Francisco and we’d sit in the back yard and have a glass of wine and talk most evenings.

Well, there was a breeding pair of pigeons who nested under an eave and every night…and I mean every fucking night…they’d come out from under the eave and put on a show on the roof….and let me tell you, pigeon sex is not a lot different than you’d imagine Lauren Boenert stopping at a truck stop for a bag of Doritos to be.

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Charles Johnson  May 17, 2024 • 6:39:34pm

Trump isn’t going to take the stand. I will be flabbergasted if he does. Flabbergasted, I say.

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wrenchwench  May 17, 2024 • 6:45:28pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Trump isn’t going to take the stand. I will be flabbergasted if he does. Flabbergasted, I say.

I wish much flabber upon thy gast, sir.

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darthstar  May 17, 2024 • 6:46:31pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Trump isn’t going to take the stand. I will be flabbergasted if he does. Flabbergasted, I say.

I’d be okay if Georgia happens before the election and the thought of testifying on TV got him to take the stand. That would be a shit show for the ages

But no, his lawyers won’t call him unless incompetent representation is his excuse for a retrial.

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darthstar  May 17, 2024 • 6:47:13pm

re: #13 wrenchwench

I wish much flabber upon thy gast, sir.

Have my share of flabber too!

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Nerdy Fish  May 17, 2024 • 6:49:57pm

re: #13 wrenchwench

I wish much flabber upon thy gast, sir.

My gast is thoroughly flabbered, indeed.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 17, 2024 • 6:51:32pm

Maybe, hear me out, they’re just totally cool with fascism because they think they’ll get to be part of the in group.

MAJeff, God of Cookies (@majeff.bsky.social) 2024-05-17T13:48:07.145Z

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Charles Johnson  May 17, 2024 • 6:51:47pm

From hell’s heart I flabber my gast at thee!

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b.d.  May 17, 2024 • 6:55:32pm

ENOUGH! Now the radical woke left wants these horny ass pigeons to be treated as our equals, have their own restrooms (though, that would be nice), take your child’s scholarships and date your children without judgement and they are also registering them to vote Democrat!
Those big city, blue state rats with wings may have taken over their squalid welfare, crime-ridden hellholes of the failing Democrat run cities but they are not welcome in REAL AMERICA!!!

—— Left Wing Media —- followed up by months long, in-depth, impartial analysis from the NYTimes

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TedStriker  May 17, 2024 • 6:57:11pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

From hell’s heart I flabber my gast at thee!

Sounds better in marooned-20th-century-despot:

Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan: Khan quotes Ahab

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jaunte  May 17, 2024 • 6:57:21pm

I was once flabbered until I took an arrow to the gast.

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b.d.  May 17, 2024 • 6:58:49pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Trump isn’t going to take the stand. I will be flabbergasted if he does. Flabbergasted, I say.

I was flabbered then I started taking Ozempic.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 17, 2024 • 6:59:19pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

I will always look askance at libertarian pundits, because libertarianism poisons everything.

Upding for excellent use of “askance”.

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jaunte  May 17, 2024 • 7:05:45pm

@blueheronfarm.bsky.social
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Oh, shit. Husband found this girl in the road, brought her to a vet for a chip scan, found a chip, and then found out it is registered to a previous owner. Dead end. I guess she’s coming here until we can find her people.

Blue Heron Farm @blueheronfarm.bsky.social

Somebody has to be looking for her. She’s such a sweet dog.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  May 17, 2024 • 7:20:34pm

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jaunte  May 17, 2024 • 7:20:57pm

HOA says you’re allowed to support the coup but only when you’re hearing judicial matters directly related to the coup.

L O L G O P (@lolgop.bsky.social) 2024-05-18T02:18:08.117Z

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Dangerman  May 17, 2024 • 7:22:17pm

I put this in the wrong place

re: #102 mmmirele

I don’t think the Mango Menace will show up for any debate.

If we get through the next few days and they actually “agree” on a framework, this is gonna be so well planned and hyped there is no way out unless tfg is literally on his deathbed

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  May 17, 2024 • 7:23:14pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  May 17, 2024 • 7:46:24pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Your gast will be absolutely flabbered.

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wrenchwench  May 17, 2024 • 8:12:33pm
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Belafon  May 17, 2024 • 8:40:29pm
A British writer penned the best description of Donald Trump I’ve ever read:

“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?”

A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.

• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?’ If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.”

-Nate White

x.com

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DodgerFan1988  May 17, 2024 • 8:42:24pm
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Romantic Heretic  May 17, 2024 • 9:06:26pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

I just call it ‘anarchy’. Because that’s all libertarianism is, anarchy rebranded. New And Improved!

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jaunte  May 17, 2024 • 9:18:48pm
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jaunte  May 17, 2024 • 9:20:32pm

Previously:

@osullyville.bsky.social
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I believe it is possible we are entering one of the funniest periods of the Trump saga, in which Rudy Giuliani cannot be located by prosectors, is close to being declared a fugitive with an active warrant against him, but is posting videos from on the run like Saddam Hussein after the invasion.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 17, 2024 • 9:31:57pm

re: #5 Nerdy Fish

I saw a poll from a few days that said among all Americans, Trump was winning. Among registered voters, Biden was up by a little. Among likely voters, Biden was up by a pretty good margin. The Democratic base is motivated. We aren’t trying to elect a convicted felon to overthrow democracy. We have things to fight for.

There is something very wrong with a nation in which a monster like Trump was winning among all Americans. As there is something very wrong in a nation in which Trump received 11 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016.

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piratedan  May 17, 2024 • 9:33:29pm

re: #34 jaunte

hope they stapled it to his fucking forehead.

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silverdolphin  May 17, 2024 • 9:43:57pm

re: #36 Hecuba’s daughter

There is something very wrong with a nation in which a monster like Trump was winning among all Americans. As there is something very wrong in a nation in which Trump received 11 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016.

The Problem With Polls

Nice discussion of why the polls no longer provide much of anything useful - they no longer prerepsesent a random solection of the entire population.

“There’s a dirty little secret that we pollsters need to own up to,” wrote polling expert David Hill, president of Hill Research Consultants and a 2020 fellow at the University of Southern California’s Dornsife Center for the Political Future, in The Washington Post in 2020. “People don’t talk to us anymore, and it’s making polling less reliable.”

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 17, 2024 • 9:51:20pm

re: #33 Romantic Heretic

I just call it ‘anarchy’. Because that’s all libertarianism is, anarchy rebranded. New And Improved!

Anarchy involves an actual attempt at flattening hierarchy. Like, it’s an actual political philosophy with books and guys and history, even if that history involves ugliness and failure.

Libertarians want the exact opposite of anarchy…they really like hierarchy, to the point that they reject the aspects of the state that constrain the formation of hierarchies through coercion, and propose a state that exists only to protect property ownership…in other words, a state that uses violence only to reinforce the coercive power of private capital and private contracts, whether this is presented as privatized police/military or as a de minimis state.

Libertarians don’t even want the common-use-but-incorrect defintion of “anarchy”…the Hobbesian state of nature, all against all…because that would incorporate the capacity to violence to use resist the forms of coercion they view as acceptable. In all against all it’s entirely acceptable to shoot the factory boss if he pushes you into danger or burn down the plantation because…fuck that whole system and anybody trying to wrangle it.

When you get down to it, libertarianism is diaphenous as a political theorem because it imagines that there is a special configuration of power and accountability…a “state”…that is non-intersectional with configurations of power and accountability they view as acceptable because they are axiomatically not-a-state. This ignores that historically the boundary between state and non-state is fluid—mercantilism and colonialism show a transitional phase for those with even the slightest curiosity, but you can also rapidly find non-state entities developing traits that supposedly are exclusive of “the state”…Fordlandia, the East India Company, the Belgian Congo…because the distinction is semantic.

(It is also notable that within a variegation of libertarianism there are many forms that value systems of social control that are effectively a state, but by word-games are simply not conceded to be a state, because what’s presented is just a form of oligarchy and the sane response to such social configurations is murdering the people trying to set it up.)

That our own government through privatization has delegating the functions of a state to commercial interests…for example, the insurance market, which has been granted effectively life-and-death determinations for subscribers…just does not register as meaningful.

Which actually point us to the other way it’s not anarchy…because libertarianism is naively capitalist at the best of times, but more often than not is cynically deeply excited by the possibilities available if capital is the sole mechanism by which entitlements are distributed. This is just a subset of being generally pro-hierarchy, but it’s the most important one when considering how libertarians under rights and obligations, because they have a putatively meritocratic spiel that’s immediately undermined by their refusal to acknowledge how accumulated capital is itself coercive power that warps any “fair” structure it impacts.

Oh…I guess I should further add that the “non-aggression principle” is another piece of semantic not-seeing, because it simply steps over that if money is the means with which to purchase the basics needed for survival, then coercion by withholding money is an existential threat…which is a pretty great representation of how libertarianism keeps it’s thumb on the scale of what constitutes freedom, and also makes them entirely dissimilar to a political philosophy that regularly evokes a book called “The Conquest of Bread.”

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Egregious Philbin  May 17, 2024 • 10:06:19pm

Rudy is gonna die in prison too.

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William Lewis  May 17, 2024 • 10:10:41pm

re: #40 Egregious Philbin

Rudy is gonna die in prison too.

That would go a long way to giving evidence of a just god…

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2024 • 10:37:20pm

re: #38 silverdolphin

The Problem With Polls

Nice discussion of why the polls no longer provide much of anything useful - they no longer prerepsesent a random solection of the entire population.

When the 2012 race started with Obama holding a clear (if not insurmountable) lead, the narrative was that once the GQP voters coalesced around a nominee, then they’d gain ground and possibly pass Obama because he was “unpopular.”

When we reached summer 2012 and Romney was recognized as the GQP nominee but the polls had not tightened significantly, the media and pollsters alike shrugged that all presidential campaigns see slow seasons in the summer and things would tightened up as we approached the party conventions in the late summer because Obama was still “unpopular.”

Well, the RNC came and went, netting Romney a “bump” in the polls so small that it was immediately dubbed a “dead cat bounce” and was met with loud laughter rather than gasps of horror. Couple that with Obama’s lead growing after the DNC and the pundits began mumbling unconvincingly that Romney might still tighten the race with good debate performances and the far-right became so disconnected from reality that they began publishing “unskewed” polls to claim that Romney was really ahead and had been all along. Now began the pundit talk about how black and white voters were “disappointed” that Obama had not turned out to be the Messiah and were threatening to stay home or vote Romney.

Fall arrived along with the presidential debates, yet the polls stubbornly refused to budge from the picture that Obama was set to win a second term by a slimmer but still solid majority. Cue the media joining the far-right in the reading of chicken bones and entrails, proclaiming that Romney “still had a chance” if only certain demographics voted for him in historical numbers or Dem voters stayed home or the Great Pumpkin came down to personally endorse him. While that was going on, the pollsters seemed to realize that their patrons had become totally unhinged and just admitted Romney was cooked.

Come Election Night 2012 and the media that had hoped for a Romney upset was instead left to sheepishly report that Romney was so conned into believing he still had a chance by their coverage going into the last weeks of the election that he hadn’t even bothered to write a concession speech and so hid backstage until his campaign issued a press release that stank of sour grapes…but not before canceling credit cards for all their campaign staff so that the poor buggars were left bumming rides or walking home.

“But wait,” you ask, “what happened to all that ‘unskewing’ business?” Why, it became part of the greater overall wingnut narrative that (wait for it) Obama had “stolen” the election and the media was in on it because they’d given Repub voters false hope.

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EPR-radar  May 17, 2024 • 10:49:48pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

It’s worth remembering that the Obama campaign in 2012 was an extremely effective operation. Obama won FL OH and VA by a margin of less than 5%. The only state Romney won by less than 5% margin was NC.

Obama’s margins in CO, PA, NH, IA, NV, WI, MN, ME2 and MI were between 5% and 10%.

The states Romney won with margins in that range were MO, AZ, GA, and NE2.

In other words, the Obama campaign was enormously effective at winning where winning was possible.

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JC1  May 17, 2024 • 11:42:50pm

Par. I’ll take it in this case.

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No Malarkey!  May 17, 2024 • 11:54:33pm

Missouri Democrats’ filibuster blocks effort to make it harder to amend the Missouri constitution. An Amendment to enshrine the right to an abortion pre-viability will be on the November ballot, and will only need a simple majority to pass.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 18, 2024 • 12:22:06am
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silverdolphin  May 18, 2024 • 1:11:22am

“Outrageously” priced weight-loss drugs could bankrupt US health care

I worked as a reearcher in the industry for over 30 years and drug pricing in the US is really a scam. Costs are not tied to anything other than being slightly cheaper than the current standard of care. It is why they could be forced to reduce insulin prices so much and still make a hefty profit.

Most of these new drugs are monoclonal antibodies produced by the same basic process - mammallian cell culture in large bioreactors. They should all generally cost roughl the same to manufacture, but the actual costs are often 100-2000 times higher.

ANd they raise the price every year because they can. One of the breakthrough drugs I worked on, Enbrel, cost about $16000 a year when it first came out about 20 years ago. Now it costs closer to $100,000. (Inflation should have only made it $30,000. So they increased the price 3 times faster than inflation. An rate of almost 10% annually.)

And it will not get better. ImmunityBio, the company that was formed by the merger of my company, Etubics, and Nantkwest, just got approved for a breakthrough bladder cancer therapy, using an engineered protein molecule called Anktiva. It is a wonderful novel therapy that will save many lives but it may cost at retail about $1 million a year to use (for perhaps 2-3 years.)

As a scientist, I am so thrilled about its ability to change people’s lives, likely across almost all cancers. And early trials into HIV suggest that it may be successful in a therapy to CURE HIV. If the current trials play out, how much would a true cure for HIV be worth? It is an amazing drug. Combined with other new drugs, like Keytruda, and many (most?) cancesr might just about be wiped out.

But this will come at a very high monetary price. Why? Because Big Pharma can.

As the report says, it costs $5 a month to produce a monoclonal antibody that in the US Big Pharma charges over $800 a month for . ANother one, which is also a similar sort of monoclonal, produced the same way, costs over $8000. Why the diference in price?

Drug companies do not determine what to charge based on actual research costs or production costs. They look at how much the standard of care (SOC) is right now and then try to come in under. Costs $10,000 a month now? We will charge $8000. SOC costs $1000 a month? We will charge $800.

Because current laws give Big Pharma a monopoly on their approved drug for 17 years. Lots can be done with a monopoly.

Of course, that $8000 drug here costs about $900 in Europe. And the $800 one costs about $150.

And just how much will someone pay to live? How much is your life worth? $1 million a year. That really changes the pricing models. I love the breakthroughs we are making wrt cancer but the current pricing models need to change.

Because only allowing rich people to live will destablilize us eventually.

Big Pharma is in for a showdown here.

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No Malarkey!  May 18, 2024 • 1:25:47am

re: #47 silverdolphin

“Outrageously” priced weight-loss drugs could bankrupt US health care

I worked as a reearcher in the industry for over 30 years and drug pricing in the US is really a scam. Costs are not tied to anything other than being slightly cheaper than the current standard of care. It is why they could be forced to reduce insulin prices so much and still make a hefty profit.

Most of these new drugs are monoclonal antibodies produced by the same basic process - mammallian cell culture in large bioreactors. They should all generally cost roughl the same to manufacture, but the actual costs are often 100-2000 times higher.

ANd they raise the price every year because they can. One of the breakthrough drugs I worked on, Enbrel, cost about $16000 a year when it first came out about 20 years ago. Now it costs closer to $100,000. (Inflation should have only made it $30,000. So they increased the price 3 times faster than inflation. An rate of almost 10% annually.)

And it will not get better. ImmunityBio, the company that was formed by the merger of my company, Etubics, and Nantkwest, just got approved for a breakthrough bladder cancer therapy, using an engineered protein molecule called Anktiva. It is a wonderful novel therapy that will save many lives but it may cost at retail about $1 million a year to use (for perhaps 2-3 years.)

As a scientist, I am so thrilled about its ability to change people’s lives, likely across almost all cancers. And early trials into HIV suggest that it may be successful in a therapy to CURE HIV. If the current trials play out, how much would a true cure for HIV be worth? It is an amazing drug. Combined with other new drugs, like Keytruda, and many (most?) cancesr might just about be wiped out.

But this will come at a very high monetary price. Why? Because Big Pharma can.

As the report says, it costs $5 a month to produce a monoclonal antibody that in the US Big Pharma charges over $800 a month for . ANother one, which is also a similar sort of monoclonal, produced the same way, costs over $8000. Why the diference in price?

Drug companies do not determine what to charge based on actual research costs or production costs. They look at how much the standard of care (SOC) is right now and then try to come in under. Costs $10,000 a month now? We will charge $8000. SOC costs $1000 a month? We will charge $800.

Because current laws give Big Pharma a monopoly on their approved drug for 17 years. Lots can be done with a monopoly.

Of course, that $8000 drug here costs about $900 in Europe. And the $800 one costs about $150.

And just how much will someone pay to live? How much is your life worth? $1 million a year. That really changes the pricing models. I love the breakthroughs we are making wrt cancer but the current pricing models need to change.

Because only allowing rich people to live will destablilize us eventually.

Big Pharma is in for a showdown here.

If the Democrats regain control of the House and hold the Senate and WH, maybe something can be done about that.

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EPR-radar  May 18, 2024 • 1:58:49am

re: #48 No Malarkey!

If the Democrats regain control of the House and hold the Senate and WH, maybe something can be done about that.

As the mathematicians would say, this is a necessary condition, but hardly sufficient.

We won’t see significant reform of the obscene US health care system until after the GOP menace is thoroughly contained, and we have a good crop of better Democrats (or a split of the Democrats into two civilized parties in which the more progressive faction prevails).

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No Malarkey!  May 18, 2024 • 2:09:59am

re: #49 EPR-radar

As the mathematicians would say, this is a necessary condition, but hardly sufficient.

We won’t see significant reform of the obscene US health care system until after the GOP menace is thoroughly contained, and we have a good crop of better Democrats (or a split of the Democrats into two civilized parties in which the more progressive faction prevails).

Since President Biden has taken some obvious and important steps to curtail drug pricing excesses, I hold a bit more hope, if the voters have the sense to put Democrats fully back in charge. But obviously corporate behemoths with a lot of money to spread around are always going to have a big advantage in Washington.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 18, 2024 • 2:20:11am

re: #36 Hecuba’s daughter

There is something very wrong with a nation in which a monster like Trump was winning among all Americans. As there is something very wrong in a nation in which Trump received 11 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016.

My two cents…

1. I do not believe any poll that says trump is ahead. I’d need to see underlying data and I’d need to analyze the fuck out of it.

2. How many new voters were “created” in four years (Aged in or became citizens)? What was the vote increase on the dem side? 11 mil in a vacuum is kinda meaningless.

And I’ll add…

3. How many republicans did trump kill during COVID? How many are turned off by his indictments?

I absolutely do not believe these horserace polls. Not in the least.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 18, 2024 • 2:28:24am

re: #44 JC1

Par. I’ll take it in this case.

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Dangerman  May 18, 2024 • 3:19:38am

re: #51 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

My two cents…

1. I do not believe any poll that says trump is ahead. I’d need to see underlying data and I’d need to analyze the fuck out of it.

2. How many new voters were “created” in four years (Aged in or became citizens)? What was the vote increase on the dem side? 11 mil in a vacuum is kinda meaningless.

And I’ll add…

3. How many republicans did trump kill during COVID? How many are turned off by his indictments?

I absolutely do not believe these horserace[shit] polls. Not in the least.

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Dangerman  May 18, 2024 • 3:25:43am

re: #27 Dangerman

I put this in the wrong place

If we get through the next few days and they actually “agree” on a framework, this is gonna be so well planned and hyped there is no way out unless tfg is literally on his deathbed

And if his bailing is so “inevitable” you think the Biden team hasn’t already gamed this out and doesn’t have their response to it already nailed down?

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Targetpractice  May 18, 2024 • 3:31:34am

Problem with the polling is not so much the polls as the “analysis” and reporting of such. It’s been practically the same cycle for the past few months: NYT publishes a poll that shows Trump leading or within the MOE in multiple swing states under a banner “BIDEN FUCKED!” The rest of the media immediately engage in a feeding frenzy, rushing their own “Just how fucked is Biden really?” coverage with each trying to divine from the tea leaves what issue it is that is hurting Biden’s poll numbers so. Meanwhile, actual pollsters and statisticians are looking at the data and laughing their asses off that anybody buys the BS they’re being fed and chalk it up to the continued decline of political polling in the modern era.

Then, 1-2 weeks later, another agency posts a poll showing that Trump is lagging in swing states, struggling with some key demographic, or is looking at troubled waters ahead with voters if he’s convicted…and the rest of the month is spent navel-gazing about the “truth” between the two sets of polls and wondering how one set can say Biden is fucked and the other say that Trump’s losing with most everybody outside of his cult.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 18, 2024 • 3:37:01am

A little Saturday morning new car smell drive time music.

Marshall Crenshaw • “Someday, Someway” • 1982 [Reelin’ In The Years Archive]

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Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅  May 18, 2024 • 3:55:29am

re: #52 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Managed a birb.

Par with a staircase.
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Shropshire Slasher  May 18, 2024 • 4:13:46am
Former President Donald Trump will hold a campaign rally in the South Bronx next week, and his first major gathering of supporters in his native state since his first White House bid comes on the heels of a record-breaking event at the Jersey Shore.

The May 23 rally will take place at 6 p.m. in Crotona Park, and the Trump campaign has a permit for up to 3,500 people to attend, his campaign announced Friday.

Trump, 77, is expected to speak on the Empire State’s economy, crime rate and migrant crisis. It’s his first rally in his birth state since Buffalo in 2016.

nypost.com

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Teukka  May 18, 2024 • 4:27:40am

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Nerdy Fish  May 18, 2024 • 4:29:34am

This game is stupid.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 18, 2024 • 4:29:44am
Cannabis was spotted near Wisconsin’s State Capitol Thursday.

15 News spoke with a UW expert in plants who confirms it is cannabis. But the THC levels would need to be tested in order to determine if its a drug or hemp type plant.

Assistant Professor Shelby Ellison also explains she believes it looks purposely planted. “If it was a single seed that was planted from somebody you would just have a single plant but the fact that it is interspersed in the area it looks purposeful.”

The plants were spotted amidst a tulip patch near the capitol building in downtown Madison.

Ellison says the grower would have to have a permit to grow the cannabis from the USDA in order for it to be legal to grow in the area.

The Wisconsin Department of Administration confirmed the plants were removed from the capitol area Friday.

wmtv15news.com

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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2024 • 4:32:44am

The same company killed a 16 yr old at its Mississippi plant. If we can’t keep the kids off the killing floor, we could try to unionize them.
… Oh. Wait…

Feds find children working in Alabama chicken plant, ask court to halt sales
al.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2024 • 5:13:53am

re: #5 Nerdy Fish

I saw a poll from a few days that said among all Americans, Trump was winning. Among registered voters, Biden was up by a little. Among likely voters, Biden was up by a pretty good margin. The Democratic base is motivated. We aren’t trying to elect a convicted felon to overthrow democracy. We have things to fight for.

There is no question that Biden will win the popular vote. The question that the GOP are working to solve is how to still pull out a win in the EC (perhaps by suspending the vote count while DJT is still ahead or simply sabotaging enough of the process to send it to the house delegations, which will vote GOP with full support of SCOTUS)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2024 • 5:15:52am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

From hell’s heart I flabber my gast at thee!

Well it’s all right now, in fact, I’m aghast. Jumpin’ Jack Flabber is aghast ghast ghast…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2024 • 5:16:25am

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

Upding for excellent use of “askance”.

a skank looked askance

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2024 • 5:19:38am

re: #47 silverdolphin

“Outrageously” priced weight-loss drugs could bankrupt US health care

We have a health care system that does not concern itself with the role of nutrition and a food industry that does not concern itself with its role in health…

And a health insurance system that is solely concerned with insuring its own financial health

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A Cranky One  May 18, 2024 • 5:39:24am

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jeffreyw  May 18, 2024 • 5:43:16am

It’s Caturday!

Good morning!

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PhillyPretzel ✅  May 18, 2024 • 5:44:16am

re: #68 jeffreyw

The kitties are cute. :)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2024 • 5:44:20am

re: #68 jeffreyw

German housewives in the 30’s had Pervitin-laced chocolates

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Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2024 • 5:46:57am

re: #70 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

German housewives in the 30’s had Pervitin-laced chocolates

The apocryphal urban legend that Mexican Coca-Cola had cocaine well into the 1930s. Heard that one from my dad.

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darthstar  May 18, 2024 • 6:01:34am

LOL

Mastodon

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2024 • 6:07:27am

re: #72 darthstar

He could’ve holed up in Hell’s Kitchen and never be found, but he had to stick his neck out…

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Joe Bacon ✅  May 18, 2024 • 6:08:29am

re: #72 darthstar

It’s a shame they didn’t slap the cuffs on that pice of ssshhhaavvviiinnnggg cream and make him do a perp walk.

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Joe Bacon ✅  May 18, 2024 • 6:10:37am

re: #56 Shropshire Slasher

Robert Gordon did it before Crenshaw. Remember seeing Robert over 40 years ago at the Anticlub on Melrose.

Last of the Rockabillys…

Robert Gordon - Someday Someway

Robert crossed the rainbow bridge last year. RIP fella…

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Belafon  May 18, 2024 • 6:13:21am
Newly minted Michelin-starred chef Arturo Rivera Martínez stood over an insanely hot grill Wednesday at the first Mexican taco stand ever to get a coveted star from the French dining guide, and did exactly the same thing he’s been doing for 20 years: searing meat.

Though Michelin representatives came by Wednesday to present him with one of the company’s heavy, full-sleeved, pristine white chef’s jackets, he didn’t put it on: In this tiny, 10-foot by 10-foot (3-meter by 3-meter) business, the heat makes the meat. And the heat is intense.

apnews.com

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Belafon  May 18, 2024 • 6:15:41am
The Justice Department on Thursday announced the arrests of three people in a complex stolen identity scheme that officials say generates enormous proceeds for the North Korean government, including for its weapons program.

The scheme involves thousands of North Korean information technology workers who prosecutors say are dispatched by the government to live abroad and who rely on the stolen identities of Americans to obtain remote employment at U.S.-based Fortune 500 companies, jobs that give them access to sensitive corporate data and lucrative paychecks.

fortune.com

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Eventual Carrion  May 18, 2024 • 6:19:53am

re: #44 JC1

Par. I’ll take it in this case.

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Joe Bacon ✅  May 18, 2024 • 6:20:35am

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 18, 2024 • 6:32:03am

re: #72 darthstar

LOL

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“They could’ve shown a little more respect for the man who comforted the nation following September 11th and who stands up for law enforcement and the men and women in blue.”

The same respect he showed for the nation after the last election?

I’m ok with this.

And, as they say… Don’t do the crime… And all that jazz.

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Nerdy Fish  May 18, 2024 • 6:34:12am

re: #72 darthstar

LOL

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Womp womp, motherfucker. I hope you rot in prison and die alone and in deep debt. There was a time I respected you, but now, as far as I’m concerned, you can burn in hell.

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Nerdy Fish  May 18, 2024 • 6:42:28am

Rudy Giuliani has been riding that “hero of 9/11” schtick since 9/12/2001. Whatever good he may have done as America’s Mayor has long since been wiped out by his ham-handed support for the brutish NYPD and his active participation in the MAGA coup attempt.

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darthstar  May 18, 2024 • 6:43:16am

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He could’ve holed up in Hell’s Kitchen and never be found, but he had to stick his neck out…

Well, he’s certainly proven that he could be a flight risk, so it would be reasonable for Arizona to detain him pending trial.

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  May 18, 2024 • 6:56:24am

re: #52 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Managed a birb.

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No Malarkey!  May 18, 2024 • 6:58:05am

re: #63 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There is no question that Biden will win the popular vote. The question that the GOP are working to solve is how to still pull out a win in the EC (perhaps by suspending the vote count while DJT is still ahead or simply sabotaging enough of the process to send it to the house delegations, which will vote GOP with full support of SCOTUS)

I look at it this way. The 538 aggregate has Trump on any given day a point or less ahead of Biden in the national polls, but with less than 42% of the vote, and RFK Jr getting about 10% of the vote, give or take, leaving over 8% undecided. I have no reason to think that Trump will get much more than 46% of the vote, like the last two elections, and if the jury makes him a convicted felon it could be a point or two less. The third party vote usually shrinks considerably on election day because people don’t like to throw away their votes. Biden has a huge warchest he will be spending after Labor Day when people finally start focusing on the race, and I believe the large undecided vote will break heavily in his favor. If as I expect Biden wins, the GOP will try to steal the election, and I hope the Democrats are prepared to deal with that. We should be prepared to engage in nonviolent mass protests against any effort by the GOP to steal the election. If I’m wrong about the electorate and the voters actually elect Trump President, then we are fucked, but I refuse to believe that; most people do not want him back in power, and they never have. The Biden Campaign just has to convince enough of them in the swing states that to keep Trump out of the White House they have to turn out and vote for Biden so that he gets to 270 electoral votes.

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Eventual Carrion  May 18, 2024 • 7:06:36am

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No Malarkey!  May 18, 2024 • 7:08:14am

re: #87 Eventual Carrion

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Belafon  May 18, 2024 • 7:16:28am
Researchers have mapped a 40-mile-long extinct section of the Nile River through satellite radar imaging and analysis of sediment.

Ancient Egyptians erected some 31 pyramids, including Giza’s Great Pyramid, along the banks of the now-defunct arm of the river, which the builders likely used to transport stone and other construction materials.

The discovery, buried deep beneath farmland and not visible in aerial photographs, may help archaeologists locate other Egyptian temples and monuments concealed by fields and desert sands that now cover the riverbed.

cnn.com

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 18, 2024 • 7:17:36am

re: #85 A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS

I took it down to the wire, but any landing you walk away from is a good one.

💯

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Belafon  May 18, 2024 • 7:21:42am
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Belafon  May 18, 2024 • 7:24:23am
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Belafon  May 18, 2024 • 7:25:23am
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wrenchwench  May 18, 2024 • 7:35:08am

re: #62 Decatur Deb

The same company killed a 16 yr old at its Mississippi plant. If we can’t keep the kids off the killing floor, we could try to unionize them.
… Oh. Wait…

Feds find children working in Alabama chicken plant, ask court to halt sales
al.com

A caption on a photo at that link:

A sign near the Mar Jac Poultry plant informing workers they must be 18 to get a job at the plant.Amy Yurkanin

It’s not the workers who need to be told a thing. What are you going to do, fire them for getting hired?

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  May 18, 2024 • 7:40:26am

A Thai cat for Caturday.

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wrenchwench  May 18, 2024 • 7:46:04am

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wrenchwench  May 18, 2024 • 7:49:36am

I should wait until I can handle numbers before I start in on the letters.

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silverdolphin  May 18, 2024 • 7:50:52am

re: #46 The Ghost of a Flea

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God, healthcare has both the best that humanity can produce - the doctors, nurses, researchers, erc. who are mainly driven by trying to make the lives of their fellow human beings better – combined with the worst of is - sociopathic free marketers willing to destroy the commons for a quick buck.

This is no longer sustainable and we are seeing it come apart. So how do we fix it? Can we fix it?

Maybe drug pricing must be removed from the control of MBAs, profit above all rent-seekers. Same with running hospitals.

We need new models. we need new organiztional models.

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A Cranky One  May 18, 2024 • 7:57:06am

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silverdolphin  May 18, 2024 • 7:57:45am

I’ll be away for most of the day. I’ve organized a boat trip to spread the ashes of my best friend on the waters of Puget Sound today. As if in solidarity, the weather has turned overcast, windy and rainy. Hope I do not screw anything up, like forget the ashes ;-)

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Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2024 • 8:01:39am

re: #94 wrenchwench

A caption on a photo at that link:

It’s not the workers who need to be told a thing. What are you going to do, fire them for getting hired?

The enforcement of labor laws like undocumented workers has never been more than a tiny effort. Remember Reagans amnesty? It called for employers to get penalized. Hardly ever happens.

This is more of the same. Campaign donors need not worry about these pesky rules.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2024 • 8:01:49am

re: #99 A Cranky One

You mean I’ve been a master spuddler all this time and never knew it?

/

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darthstar  May 18, 2024 • 8:14:41am

re: #99 A Cranky One

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sizzzzlerz  May 18, 2024 • 8:15:08am

re: #100 silverdolphin

I’ll be away for most of the day. I’ve organized a boat trip to spread the ashes of my best friend on the waters of Puget Sound today. As if in solidarity, the weather has turned overcast, windy and rainy. Hope I do not screw anything up, like forget the ashes ;-)

Important tip: Be sure to gauge wind speed and direction before you release the ashes. Don’t turn a solemn ceremony into a scene out of The Big Lebowski.

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darthstar  May 18, 2024 • 8:17:03am

Well, Rudy’s guests certainly will remember that party.

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Joe Bacon ✅  May 18, 2024 • 8:18:16am

We knew this was coming!

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darthstar  May 18, 2024 • 8:21:36am

Okay - time to shower up and get ready to go shuttle people around. Friend’s daughter’s chorus is performing in HMB this morning and I need to run over the hill and pick up the MIL.

Mastodon

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wrenchwench  May 18, 2024 • 8:22:57am

re: #98 silverdolphin

God, healthcare has both the best that humanity can produce - the doctors, nurses, researchers, erc. who are mainly driven by trying to make the lives of their fellow human beings better – combined with the worst of is - sociopathic free marketers willing to destroy the commons for a quick buck.

This is no longer sustainable and we are seeing it come apart. So how do we fix it? Can we fix it?

Maybe drug pricing must be removed from the control of MBAs, profit above all rent-seekers. Same with running hospitals.

We need new models. we need new organiztional models.

Top-down, bottom up, and in the middle. The Cerberus that has a featured role in that video, here, re: #46 The Ghost of a Flea

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…is the owner of Safeway/Albertson’s, which is working on merging with Kroger. My union, UFCW Local 555, is in partnership with Kroger (representing the workers in some Kroger stores) in promoting that merger. Where money is, that’s where corruption is.

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darthstar  May 18, 2024 • 8:22:58am

re: #106 Joe Bacon ✅

I thought that was a great retort. Marj probably resents being told she looks like a butch dyke more than anything. Good. Fuck her feelings.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 18, 2024 • 8:31:46am

re: #38 silverdolphin

The Problem With Polls

Nice discussion of why the polls no longer provide much of anything useful - they no longer prerepsesent a random solection of the entire population.

I have long felt polls are not worth the pixels that display them but that translates to: polls that show my team winning I don’t accept, but polls that show my team losing, I take to heart. In any case, you don’t need a random selection of the entire population, but a selection of the voting population — and if you don’t have the right characteristics of that population, results are also meaningless.

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gocart mozart  May 18, 2024 • 8:32:55am
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jeffreyw  May 18, 2024 • 8:37:12am
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Hecuba's daughter  May 18, 2024 • 8:38:56am

re: #44 JC1

Par. I’ll take it in this case.

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wrenchwench  May 18, 2024 • 8:40:38am

re: #111 gocart mozart

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sizzzzlerz  May 18, 2024 • 8:50:53am

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Romantic Heretic  May 18, 2024 • 8:58:43am

re: #39 The Ghost of a Flea

That was a nice explanation of the difference between libertarianism and anarchy. I look at both as the excuses they are for doing wrong.

That last bit about how private enterprise takes on traits of the State made me think of this quote.

In a market economy, however, the individual has some possibility of escaping from the power of the state. - Peter Berger

My first thought on reading that quote was, “What happens when the market economy id the state?”

You did a fine job of demonstrating what happens.

And, dude? You need a bigger audience. I love reading your posts and believe more people should read them as well.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2024 • 9:23:40am
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Nerdy Fish  May 18, 2024 • 9:25:49am

re: #117 Eclectic Cyborg

Jesus, I hope she doesn’t have a gun.

Oh, she does. Count on it. She’s not the type to go anywhere without packing heat. Not because she feels unsafe, necessarily, but just because she enjoys power-tripping, and a gun is the ultimate escalation of any argument.

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wrenchwench  May 18, 2024 • 9:26:31am

re: #117 Eclectic Cyborg

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Is she trying to get out?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2024 • 9:32:44am

I know people who are convinced grocery prices are going to come way down if TFG gets re-elected.

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sizzzzlerz  May 18, 2024 • 9:39:26am

re: #112 jeffreyw

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jeffreyw  May 18, 2024 • 9:47:12am

re: #121 sizzzzlerz

The only problem is that your A1c is too high and you’re a type 2 diabetic

Damn! I thought that was a joke post with photoshopped box but they are real.

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Unabogie  May 18, 2024 • 9:54:56am

We don’t actually have to live this way.

Churchgoers thwarted a teenager armed with a rifle from entering a Louisiana church full of children Saturday in a service that was being livestreamed, authorities said.

Police were called to St. Mary Magdalen Church in Abbeville, 20 miles south of Lafayette, at 10:35 a.m. when the 16-year-old suspect tried to get in via the back door.

Around 60 children were inside the Catholic church at the time waiting to take their first Holy Communion, the church said.

nbcnews.com

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ericblair  May 18, 2024 • 10:01:51am

re: #120 Eclectic Cyborg

So, here’s the CNBC graphic for year-over-year food deflation as of April 2024. (It’s seems to be measuring foor deflation, but let’s roll with it).

“Yabbut everything else!” Energy is down 2%, health insurance 11%, used cars 7%, et cetera.
“NEVERTHELESS”

And if some people aren’t going to be happy until food prices are the same as when they graduated high school, remind them of what their hourly wage was when they graduated high school.

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silverdolphin  May 18, 2024 • 10:03:37am

re: #104 sizzzzlerz

Important tip: Be sure to gauge wind speed and direction before you release the ashes. Don’t turn a solemn ceremony into a scene out of The Big Lebowski.

Already thought of that. I got a biodegradable urn that float and then sinks. Yep. I remember Big Lebowski😀

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Jay C  May 18, 2024 • 10:06:26am

re: #120 Eclectic Cyborg

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I know people who are convinced grocery prices are going to come way down if TFG gets re-elected.

Do these people offer any explanation as to how this marvelous consumer “bonanza” is going to occur?
Or is it just more magical thinking from the red-hat horde?
Because the only method I can think of for accomplishing this is a strict regime of government-imposed and government-enforced price controls. Which, as economic policy, do NOT (AFAICR) have a good record for effective implementation….

Besides, I would imagine Trump and his creatures wouldn’t want to introduce that sort of mandatory price-reduction unless they could be sure that ONLY their voters would see the benefits of the lower prices, while, ideally, making blue-staters pay more…..

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2024 • 10:08:05am

re: #126 Jay C

They seem to think that once Trump “cancels everything Biden has done” that the economy will get way better.

🙄

There is no way to have a rational discussion with these people.

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ericblair  May 18, 2024 • 10:14:05am

re: #126 Jay C

Do these people offer any explanation as to how this marvelous consumer “bonanza” is going to occur?
Or is it just more magical thinking from the red-hat horde?
Because the only method I can think of for accomplishing this is a strict regime of government-imposed and government-enforced price controls. Which, as economic policy, do NOT (AFAICR) have a good record for effective implementation….

Besides, I would imagine Trump and his creatures wouldn’t want to introduce that sort of mandatory price-reduction unless they could be sure that ONLY their voters would see the benefits of the lower prices, while, ideally, making blue-staters pay more…..

It’s also useful to point out that when the Biden administration does things that actually, specifically reduce prices, like capping monthly costs for insulin for Medicare or capping junk fees for airlines and other services, the GOP and their rich pals and the GOP courts are the first ones to stomp on them.

About the only reliable thing you can determine out of the polls that have been flung around recently is that people are pissed about prices. Sure. But at this point in the election cycle, it’s not a head to head contest and people seem to be venting at the government like they usually do. Trump and the rest of the goopers have been very transparent that they haven’t got the slightest interest in lowering prices for anybody but the rich, and the Biden campaign seems to be pretty aggressive this cycle.

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sizzzzlerz  May 18, 2024 • 10:15:07am

re: #126 Jay C

Do these people offer any explanation as to how this marvelous consumer “bonanza” is going to occur?

They already believe several thousand impossible things before breakfast about TFG. What’s one more?

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nines09  May 18, 2024 • 10:21:57am

Rainy Saturday and a Holiday coming up.
James McMurtry has a way with words.
He paints with them.

Holiday

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  May 18, 2024 • 10:29:36am

re: #122 jeffreyw

Damn! I thought that was a joke post with photoshopped box but they are real.

I saw a box in the grocery store the other day. Eeeeewwwww.

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mmmirele  May 18, 2024 • 10:33:11am

re: #108 wrenchwench

Top-down, bottom up, and in the middle. The Cerberus that has a featured role in that video, here,

…is the owner of Safeway/Albertson’s, which is working on merging with Kroger. My union, UFCW Local 555, is in partnership with Kroger (representing the workers in some Kroger stores) in promoting that merger. Where money is, that’s where corruption is.

This merger is not going to help anyone. The nearest grocery stores to me are, by distance, Frys (Kroger), Albertson’s, Fry’s, Walmart Market, Safeway. I’m not including the specialty markets, even though I do shop at Sprouts on occasion, because Sprouts is a lot like Whole Paycheck. (I’d probably do most of my shopping at Sprouts if they had diet Coke there LOL). So, as you can see, four of the five markets would be owned by the same group. And Walmart is Walmart. This won’t help food prices.

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Romantic Heretic  May 18, 2024 • 10:35:01am

re: #120 Eclectic Cyborg

And if they don’t it’s still Biden’s fault.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2024 • 10:37:07am

re: #133 Romantic Heretic

And if they don’t it’s still Biden’s fault.

The Deep State don’t quit, man.

/

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 18, 2024 • 10:40:10am

re: #117 Eclectic Cyborg

Jesus, I hope she doesn’t have a gun.

I just hope there are no Mexican puppies running around that area.

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jaunte  May 18, 2024 • 10:44:52am

Absurd, ridiculous, dangerous.

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sizzzzlerz  May 18, 2024 • 10:46:50am

re: #111 gocart mozart

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Ah, yes. The sign of the Trump Boys gang. The upside down T.

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