Responsible, Representative government can only come about when the Rule of Law is in force. Ali knows this, pity that most of the world does not. It is good to see that some Iraqis have more sense than people like Kos...

Bravo, Ali! I ate that up.

evariste, didn't you say you were going to hit the sack sometime ago?

Should we send this link to Kos? Or is he too full of his "Down with Bush! Down with Halliburton!" rhetoric to even understand it? Ali and those like him, who look forward to a peaceful and prosperous Iragi, are just paid Bush stooges to Kos and his ghoulish brethren.

FH-yes! LOL!
I'm still gonna, I just got a brief second wind cuz Charles kept posting new ice cream.

preview, damn it...

I think justice comes before law.

Iraq will know justice. And so will the middle east.

The three brothers at Iraq the Model always calm me down. Their writing since they started the blog back in November has been consistently good. This post by Ali in particular cut to the core issues of a very emotional situation.

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Interesting, a commentor on that blog said:

"Also, ABC had an interesting poll graphic last night on Nightline that showed that only 10% of Iraqis approve of attacks on foreign contractors, while 56% of Fallujans do. Also, only 17% of Iraqis approve of attacks on coalition forces, while the numbers for Fallujah are 71%. Obviously, Fallujans do not represent all Iraqis."

That post is one reason why I don't think the USA should just go in indiscriminately and level the place. In another post I said quiet and relentless, but deadly -- with the calling cards left behind. Some big show of force would be good to. The mistake? I recall reading recent history where the Brits tragically overplayed their hand in Ireland by relying on flawed (probably intentionally so) RUC intelligence to round up and intern masses of innocent Irish -- thereby guaranteeing the protracted and bloody consequences that followed. I have to believe that our guys are smart enough to respond in a terrifying way that hits the real scum where they live and doesn't just lash out blindly.

This whole event was planned and scripted by professional terrorists with Arab support, probably some French money in there too somewhere. Not to mention the media whores that somehow managed to be safely right on the scene to capture it all -- part of the terrorist propaganda machine. They are among the the first ones that should be hunted and killed without mercy -- right in their Bagdhad hotels if necessary. Make it look like armed robbery but just do it. They are part of the terrorist infrastructure.

#10 Stop Hillary

I recall reading recent history where the Brits tragically overplayed their hand in Ireland by relying on flawed (probably intentionally so) RUC intelligence to round up and intern masses of innocent Irish -- thereby guaranteeing the protracted and bloody consequences that followed.

Jesus! I knew that the British went nuts and jailed lots of innocent students, but it never occured to me that those students were set up by their own countrymen!

GOD, that's evil!

The best suggestion I’ve heard so far (now that I’ve come down from the rage I was in last night.) is that we should do what Israel did after the two reservists were torn apart by a mob in the west bank. We have media pictures of many of the people involved. We can find out who else was involved over time. Then, quietly, we make them all disappear. Every single last one of them. The can look over their shoulders all they want. They can stay awake every night, and try to hide where they may. But word will get out that if you do this kind of thing, we will find you, and we will kill you. (Note, to the best of my knowledge, none of the people involved in massacring those reservists is alive today.) As a matter of fact, Kimmitt’s words make me think that is exactly what we are going to do.

Stop Hillary
And yeah, I agree with you that this was the Arab version of a sound bite. Like 100% of the news from the Palestinian Territories.

Another Iraqi blogger, Firas at Iraq & Iraqis is appalled and ashamed of what happened:

I was about to publish a new article to the website when I noticed about the attack in Faloja. So I stopped and couldn’t do any thing till this morning, honestly because I was so shamed and didn’t know what to say, I even didn’t want to open my website today so I wont read any comments about it, I was afraid that people would think that all Iraqis are savages. But let me tell you this, the people who stood there even to watch what’s going on are not human. It’s really difficult to describe what I felt, but I will try. I felt anger, disgust, terror, depressed, pain in stomach, and even guilt, I am sure I wasn’t thinking clear so I waited a while before I left back home.

But Now I know that I want to tell the world that me and the Iraqi people I know and those whom I saw since yesterday all shamed of what happened and refuse it and want to do something to stop things like that. Of course we need the help of the coalition to do so but we will do our best.

10 Stop Hillary

This whole event was planned and scripted by professional terrorists with Arab support, probably some French money in there too somewhere. Not to mention the media whores that somehow managed to be safely right on the scene to capture it all -- part of the terrorist propaganda machine. They are among the the first ones that should be hunted and killed without mercy -- right in their Bagdhad hotels if necessary. Make it look like armed robbery but just do it. They are part of the terrorist infrastructure.

Shhh, it's already happening.

That is one remarkable dude. He really gets it. I pray for his safety, and that of his family and loved ones.

OT: Anyone know if there were any Palestinian celebrations in response to the Fallujah atrocity?

#12 Viper. Part of me really likes that approach. Really!
But I'm afraid it won't prove to be the abject lesson that is needed here.
When Kimmitt said they were going to "pacify" Fallujah, it brought back memories of how we'd pacify villages in Vietnam.
We should follow the example of our South Korean allies in Vietnam (yes indeedy, folk, ROK troops were there and they were GOOD). When ROK troops were fired upon from within a village while going past it, (to return that fire meant necessarily killing a lot of people, men women and kids) the next day the ROK's evacuated the village, and destroyed it. ABSOLUTELY and COMPLETELY and never allowed the villagers to rebuild it. That happened twice that I personally know of.
After the first two villages, ROK troops were never fired upon from within a village for the rest of the six years or so they were there. Lesson learned

Charles, thank-you for this post. It is so like you save that sparkly bit from the bottom of the Pandora's box of horrors until the last.

Maybe my belief edifice will look better in the morning.

Den Best is wrong about the motivations of the Fallujans, but he is dead on about anime. There is something pure about a two dimensional world where you can always tell when a normal appearing being is about to morph into a demon.

Time for Witch Hunter Robin, g'nite all.

If you have not read wretchard's latest post yet(belmontclub), then I HIGHLY recommend reading it. I like his approach(his read on the US approach, no necessarily his recommendation.) even better than the Israeli one.

The problem with many Iraqis is that they still don’t understand the meaning of freedom,

I think the rot goes a bit deeper than that.

The journalists who always seem to conveniently be on site when one of these attacks occurs need to be rounded up, questioned and then deported permanently.
The news media need to be advised that from now on if these people continue on being complicit in terrorists attacks they will be prosecuted.
The children who are involved need to be taken away from their parents permanently.
The heads of each clan that found to be represented at these attacks, killings and mutilations to be executed.
A harsh hand was dealt to these men, a harsh hand should be dealt in reponse.

#20 Viper

Thank you for that link. Let's hope the MOUT approach works!

There is a deep psychosis in that area, and the kids have it too. An interview I saw earlier on the local news stated that many times there is trouble kids are right in the middle of it. One of the news accounts said it was a kid who ran up with the gasoline. I wonder how much they are coached and how much they just do on their own.

the article missed the key point. What we say is arab culture at its core. We need to completly change the barbaric values these people have and try to at least bring some civility ti them. This goes even beyond Islam. The arabs have been savages even before islam. If we're serious about Iraq we need to change their values just as we did with other corrupted cultures.

We have our best and proudest in Iraq and we should go all out to make sure no death is in vain.

Firas and Ali--

Thank you for restoring my faith in humanity. God bless and keep you.

We all need to remember Martin Luther King's words: judge people by the content of their character. This is not, at bottom, about race. It's about the eternal battle between good and evil.

We need to know there are people of good will in Iraq, humane and decent people, who are angered and appalled at these horrors.

May God defend the right. G'night, y'all.

Many Iraqis I've spoken with say Iranian groups are killing Iraqis and Iraqi groups are killing Americans.

I believe this. Iraqis want Americans to leave. And those from Iran want Iraq to sink into civil war.

What none of them know is all of them combined and doubled cannot achieve either goal. But Bush not being reelected will likely achieve both of them.

OT

Tomorrow morning's front page story in the WaPo (reg req'd - type 'anon' in both fields):

A Growing Unity Against Israel; Palestinian Militant Groups, Once Rivals, Forge Alliances

By Molly Moore and John Ward Anderson
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, April 2, 2004; Page A01

JERUSALEM -- Three years ago, members of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's Fatah political movement created the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades to compete with Hamas -- in effect, to see which organization's armed wing could send the most suicide bombers against Israel and win the most support among Palestinians.

What? Arafat created the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade?

I thought they were only loosely affiliated or sometimes loosely linked with eachother?

Today the former rivals have forged alliances, a shift that is complicating Israeli efforts to thwart major attacks and blurring the ideological lines between nationalist and religious factions, according to Palestinian militants, analysts and senior Israeli military officials.

In addition to al-Aqsa and Hamas -- formally known as the Islamic Resistance Movement -- other militant groups have also participated in collaborative efforts, most notably Islamic Jihad. The growing trend toward cooperation emerged just over a year ago, Palestinian fighters and Israeli generals say, in a bid to combat the increasing success of Israeli forces in targeting, killing or capturing militant leaders and their operatives.

That to be challenged :

The Sunni triangle

Irani mullah influence

These are the sources of crime and dysfunction in Iraq

one more thought--

General Mark Kimmitt for President! that man has balls to the floor .

@27 justdanny

If Kerry is elected, the terrorist are already planning their future attacks against us on our own soil. They know he will do even less than what Clinton did in response.
We all in all seriousness need to become aware of our localities and the people that inhabit them. It will become as dangerous here with Kerry in office as anywhere else that muslims are allowed to enter to live.
The people who are still asleep are in for a horrendous awakening, into a walking waking nightmare with no end.

The kids who are involved in the killings and mutilations are introduced into this at a very young age. And as any children, if not any civilizing traits they are as wild animals.
They are as dangerous as the adults.

#27 justdanny - I recently posted on that other thread that I apologize for the FOAD. (not for being critical of the size and number of your posts, though).
I think you're right about Bush being reelected and (ugh! what it would mean if John F. (did I tell you I served in Vietnam) Kerry were elected).
But I feel that our response to Fallujah is something of a test for him. I appreciate political constraints, but we - and especially for his reelection chances- needs to do more than "arrest" the perps on this one. I don't really know what that "more" is but he really needs to PUSH more in the WoT (or at least be seen to PUSH more)!

Speaking OT of Kerry, I appreciated this letter to the editor in our otherwise pitiful excuse for a newspaper.

I am an angry Vietnam veteran who can remain silent no longer. U.S. Sen. John Kerry does not now, nor did he ever, represent Vietnam veterans.

Kerry spoke out in 1971 to distance himself from any part of the war effort because he thought that was politically correct and would gain him recognition, and it did. Vietnam veterans recognized him as a traitor.

Now he wants to use his Vietnam experiences as something special, because it is now politically correct to be recognized as a veteran. Calling him a war hero is a stretch, since hundreds of young American soldiers can match or exceed his war accomplishments.

I have nine awards myself. We were proud to serve our country and wore the uniforms as true patriots.

Kerry's actions of throwing the war ribbons over the White House fence and posing for an anti-war photo with the American flag displayed upside down are of super-traitor status.

I certainly hope Kerry doesn't think Vietnam veterans support him. Our hearts were broken, not our minds. He needs to remember that morals, not medals, make a man.

Not to cause undue alarm, but duck and cover, my S. California minions:A big one may be coming.

OT but disgusting: EU whitewashes antisemitism report.

The headline findings contradict the body of the report. This says most of the 193 violent attacks on synagogues, Jewish schools, kosher shops, cemeteries and rabbis in France in 2002 - up from 32 in 2001 - were "ascribed to youth from neighbourhoods sensitive to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, principally of North African descent.

"The percentage attributable to the extreme Right was only nine per cent in 2002," it said.

The report on Belgium said most of the fire-bomb and machine-gun attacks on Jewish targets were the result of a spillover from the Palestinian intifada.

. . . The EU suppressed a report last year by German academics concluding that Arab gangs were largely responsible for a sudden surge in the anti-Jewish violence, allegedly because the findings were politically unpalatable.

Victor Weitzel, who wrote a large section of yesterday's far more detailed study, told The Telegraph that the latest findings had been consistently massaged by the EU watchdog to play down the role of North African youth. "The European Union seems incapable of facing up to the truth on this," he said. "Everything is being tilted to ensure nice soft conclusions.

"When I told them that we need to monitor the inflammatory language being used by the Arab press in Europe, this was changed to the 'minority press'.

"Honestly, it's incredible," he said.

There's more.

BREAKING NEWS!
D-DAY IN FALLUJAH (Fox TV)
Thousands of US troops, hundreds of tanks pouring into town, heavy house to house fighting, major airstrikes, smoke visible from Baghdad (50 kilometers) Can't find on net yet.

Shiplord Kirel (#36):

April Fool?

Q
Yep, sorry about that. I don't have a TV here at work and I got taken in by a stupid and pointless hoax.

Very admirable, indeed. People like Ali convince me that not all is lost and that Iraq still can become a normal country.

Regarding this,

...last riot in Basra lately (which I know that it was carried by a group of professional criminals who claim to be an Islamic She'at group, who are supported and financed from Iran in the obvious hope of starting a civil war or at least a considerable disturbance

--amazing how easy it is to manipulate the media: real-life criminals will look like the 'genuine representatives of the people' on the TV screen.

This is hilarious: Air America host goes ballistic on Ralph Nader. (Yes it's on Kos' site, but that's where the transcript is.) It's really funny.

Calling all human shields. We have a true innocent in need of your services. Pack your bags and head back to Iraq. Just one thing, there will be real danger this time. Oh, and you won't be getting any TV coverage, either. Hey, wait...where ya going. Human shields, come back...

These new attacks are even more reason that we need someone like Ralp Nader in office!

/sarcasm

OT: "israeli police storm temple mount"

Calling all human shields. We have a true innocent in need of your services. Pack your bags and head back to Iraq. Just one thing, there will be real danger this time. Oh, and you won't be getting any TV coverage, either. Hey, wait...where ya going. Human shields, come back...

ROFLOL

Priceless!

Thank you Ali for that post.
It would be nice to see it in The New York Times, so many others could appreciate it, including our leaders.

"Better to die free than live as slaves for our fears."

Ali's words recall the Revolutionary rallying cry that is now New Hampshire's official state motto: "Live Free or Die." Interestingly, the NH legislature chose it as its motto during the 1945 Legislature, just as World War II was approaching a successful end.

Live Free or Die

I have been posting advocacy of repression-focus on
DIRTY LITTLE FALLUJAH since last Summer. The mentality that rules there, signifies the ideology of the victors of the first post-Saddam Hussein elections in Iraq. The Fallujihadis would be powerless had Bush-Bremer not been suppressing Secularism in Iraq, as part of their "faith based" agenda. Now, the only way that GWB can prevent reaping the whirlwind that he has sown from his dance with Sunni and Shiite Islamofascists, is by taking extreme measures against Fallujah. That will happen, but status quo treatment of the genocidal clerics, will force bloody confrontation with the [bigoted word]s.

I was attacked here, last year, when I advocated imposing a starvation siege against DIRTY LITTLE FALLUJAH: food for bagged jihadis. The Counter-Terror War - which US taxpayers will not let Bush-Rumsfeld degenerate into a "10 year" SLOG, can only be won when Seculars do the killing for the West. There are enough Egyptian, Algerian, Tunisian, Pakistani, Jordanian Seculars remaining, who remain willing - in spite of State Department terror indulgence - carry out the necessary MEGA-DEATH program. Western Civilization must oversee the mass execution of every member of: the Wahabi clergy; Jamaat-i-Islami; Basiji movement in Iran; Muslim Students Association; Muslim Brotherhood (and related active terrorist organizations). Offering out the "political islam" option to these savages will only create Arafat-clones, and deliver a two-track freeway to the West's mortal enemy. Arafat has to die, with millions of other Islamofascists. And they will die, when common sense prevails.

This is what I posted last November:

#78 Camel Prophet 11/2/2003 05:41PM PST

Always On Topic:

DIRTY LITTLE FALLUJAH

As select US troops began temporary leave back home, CNN reported jubilant celebrations in Fallujah after 15 soldiers were murdered by muslim terrorists:

[Link: www.reuters.c...]

I FIRST ADVOCATED EXTREME REPRESSION OF FALLUJAH ON THIS WEBSITE, IN SEPTEMBER, AND I HAVE POSTED NUMEROUS ATROCITIES COMMITTED BY FALLUJIHADIS WITH THE COLLUSION OF THE LOCAL SAVAGES. I HAVEN'T READ A SINGLE WORD OF ADVOCACY HERE OF NEW RULES OF ENGAGEMENT, OTHER THAN THAT WHICH I POSTED. THE CHOICE TO EITHER IGNORE OR DOWNPLAY THE PRESENT DANGER TO US TROOPS FROM THESE [bigoted word]S, ENABLES TERROR, BECAUSE ONLY PUBLIC OPINION CAN FORCE THE NECESSARY ANNIHILATION OF THIS VERMIN.

SILENCE ON FALLUJAH ROGUE TERROR = PASSIVE ASSISTANCE

---
In November 2003, over 100 US troops were slaughtered by Iraqi terrorists. By mid-month, the CPA announced that "pro-active" rules-of-engagement policy would be implemented. Result: the death rate was reduced to under 30. It is a fact that most Fallujihadis are either standing by or aiding terrorists in setting up ambushes and Road-Side-Bomb set-ups. When they succeed, they celebrate. The majority of Americans, may be buying Powell's infantile "STAY THE COURSE" crap. But in the balance, American taxpayers are not going to continue to subsidize GWB's protection of Oil-Patch investment capital, while the Saud terror entity is financing NUCLEAR JIHAD:
[Link: www.kashmirtelegraph.com...]

TICK...TICK...TICK...

fond a link to pics of the people accosted by the ROPers. Take Note: this IS graphic!!

One More Reason to Destroy Fallujah

All this blog shows is that even in a place as horrid as Iraq, decent people can exist. Just as they existed in Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. But their existence doesn't vitiate the fact that Nazi Germany was horrible; Imperial Japan was horrible. The Iraqis, from what I have read, are for the most part (>95%) virulently anti-Semitic and as such do not deserve saving, any more than Nazis deserved saving. They deserved only destruction.

Belmont Club: Response at Fallujah

OT - BBC breaking news that a bomb has been found on a highspeed rail link connecting Madrid & Seville.

#51 Smit

Appeasement works!

CNNi: The bomb was 10-12kg, and the detonator was connected to a long (around 300 feet) cable/wire.

#40 Yehudit

ROFLMAO! Money quote from Nader:

is this the way you want to start Air America? You want it to be Hot Air America?

Debka:

Sharon in press interview: Neither Arafat nor Nasrallah should feel immune. Anyone who kills a Jew, harms an Israeli citizen or sends people to kill Jews is a marked man.

52 Papijoe

What a great day for Allah! now the world will see how merciful Allah is!

Like I said before Allah commands all Muslims to have some kind of explosive device on or near them at ALL times!

I wonder what kind of "democratic" vote Al Quaida would like to voice thier concern about this time. This is like the Al quaida version of the debate. Blowing something up seems to make everything go your way!

Ha'aretz:

14:20 Report: Jordanian authorities searching for two cars carrying explosives that entered the kingdom from Syria

This matches what Debka has:

Jordanian forces comb kingdom for second explosives-packed truck with Hizballah-al Qaeda team that crossed in from Syria for mega-attack on US or Israeli target in Amman. First truck with terrrorists intercepted at Ramtha crossing from Syria assigned to blow up large Le Meridien Hotel in capital Friday.

Still too early to point the finger to Al-Quaeda and associates, but the bomb was there.

Jordan on hunt for two cars laden with explosives

OT: Finally, a Salon Magazine that's actually readeable. (via Tim Blair)

Non Farm Payrolls increased 308k in Feb-there go Kerry's election chances!

Its only a matter of time before France is hit or the UK in June..

I just attended a EU seminar here in Sweden about the future of security and they seem to be EEAASSSING into the cold reality of terrorism.

I feel that Europe knows thier vacation is slowly ending and now they are returning to work!

#52 papijoe - I can almost hear some thinking - 'but we elected the socialists, are going to withdraw from Iraq... what more do they want'

In my cynical state of mind I think that this new bomb will be 'thoroughly investigated' and found to be an ETA device, or related to the last bombing, but didn't go off when it was meant to.

It would take too much imagination for the LLL to think that AQ would still bomb after appeasement.

Meanwhile, in the usual morning sermons at the al Aqsa mosque on the Temple Mount, the imans said something that set some of the parishoners off, and they started a running riot with Israeli police. The whole area is now cordoned off, and the parishoners have barricaded themselves in the mosque.

Two questions/points:

First, what is the Israeli punishment for incitement to violence (figure that the imans are inciting others to violence and should face criminal charges).

Second, the Israelis aren't doing the barricading, yet that's the media perception of the event. Media bias at its finest.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Police had not imposed any restrictions for Friday prayers this week.

Meaning - since the Israelis didn't impose any order, the Palestinians took it upon themselves to start rioting.

In today's Wall Street Journal, Christopher Hitchens provides another perspective on Fallujah...

There must be a temptation, when confronted with the Dantesque scenes from Fallujah, to surrender to something like existential despair. The mob could have cooked and eaten its victims without making things very much worse. One especially appreciated the detail of the heroes who menaced the nurses, when they came to try and remove the charred trophies.

But this "Heart of Darkness" element is part of the case for regime-change to begin with.

Hitchens then goes on to make the point that...

Fallujah is a reminder, not just of what Saddamism looks like, or of what the future might look like if we fail, but of what the future held before the Coalition took a hand.

#63 Smit

I'm sure there is a chance that it is non-AQ related like those recent bombs in France, but regardless, the word is out: Euros will pay danegeld.
I don't want to gloat, but it's tempting.

@ 33 J.D. -- interesting OT post. I find it amazing that when someone bashes Kerry, it's appreciated but when someone mentions GWB's lack of service - it's left wing propaganda -- yes, lack of service. He hid from the draft and defended the skies of Texas - very laughable -because he was a rich kid from an important family. And no, it's not a put down on the Guard - back when he was "serving" it was beer and card games - now it's killing savages in Irag.

@ 43 another OT to the OT

Did anyone read the headlines -- I am really getting sick of "Police storm disputed Jerusalem holy site" or
'Israeli police storm Jerusalem holy site" and "Israeli police fire on mosque" --What a load if sh!t
How about this headline for a change "Muslim rock thowers attack Israelis in Jerusalem - again!"

RE the bomb on a bullet-line train track, an Algerian terrorist tried to derail a French bullet train using the exact same method in (IIRC) 1996.

I can't remember if I've ever mentioned that I dislike the BBC somewhat...

Clashes erupt at al-Aqsa mosque

Israeli police have stormed the Temple Mount in Jerusalem and fired tear gas after Palestinian youths reportedly threw stones after Friday prayers.

The Israelis 'Stormed... and fired' presented as fact after 'youths' only 'reportedly' threw stones.

A number of worshippers barricaded themselves in the al-Aqsa mosque, one of Islam's holiest sites.

And Judaism's most holy? Nope not a thing, maybe BBC readers don't need balanced context.

The incident came after Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suggested Israel might target Yasser Arafat for assassination.

See the PPP had a reason, they were provoked by Sharon.

The Temple Mount was the scene of a controversial visit by Mr Sharon - then Israeli opposition leader - in September 2000. The visit helped spark the latest Palestinian uprising, or intifada.

It's all Sharon's fault.

A police spokesman told AFP news agency that action had been taken only after Palestinian youths had pelted Jewish worshippers praying nearby.

However a member of the Islamic board which oversees the compound said the police raid had been unprovoked.

Oh it's so wonderfully balanced.

OT Nice piece on Walid Shoebat
After this week I need to be reminded there is alway hope for the individual Muslim.

#69 Smit

It would be too much if they noticed a correlation between Friday prayers and "reported" acts of "spontaneous" "violence".

#69 Smit -

How dare those Jews visit the third holiest site in Islam?

But seriously, that article should be published in "Games" magazine.

("See how many errors you can find on this page".)

#69 Smit - Unfortunately, the Fox piece isn't much better, perhaps because it is orginially AP.

Headline:

Israeli Police Storm Disputed Holy Site

How about something like in #67, or Muslims Riot after Sermon, Stone Jews, Police Called In?

The sacred hilltop in the Old City of Jerusalem (search) is known to Jews as theTemple Mount (search), the holiest site in Judaism. The mosque is considered Islam's third-holiest site. Muslims call it the Noble Sanctuary.

Better than most, but they didn't mention that Israel allows Muslims to control it, and in return the Muslims won't allow Jews to even visit it. If I just got here from the planet Zebutar and read it was Judism's holiest and Islam's third holiest and that they wouldn't share, I'd give it to Judism.

The current round of Palestinian-Israeli violence erupted after Ariel Sharon, now prime minister, visited the site in September 2000.

A visit. He dared to visit, set foot on it, and we get four years of murders. The word "overreaction" can't even come close to describing that.

OT,

More enriched Uranium has been found at undeclared sites in Iran...

More weapons grade Uranium found in Iran

The U.N. atomic watchdog has found traces of bomb-grade uranium in Iran at sites other than the two already named, but diplomats said on Friday it was unclear if this boosted U.S. claims that Tehran wants an atom bomb.

Atomic watchdog? More like atomic lapdog.

"They found highly-enriched uranium at more sites than Kalaye and Natanz," a Western diplomat told Reuters on condition of anonymity. The diplomat did not specify how many sites, where they were or when the traces were found.

62 pantat

but always too late.

#74 Dirk Diggler

Atomic watchdog? More like atomic lapdog.

Good one.

#74 Dirk D... or Atomic Kitten

The bomb in Spain was 10-12kg, or 24lb, of dynamite, connected to a 136 metre long cable linking the explosive to the detonator.

Link

#77 Smit

LOL!

OT: It's funny 'cause it's true:

If the Passover Story Were Reported by CNN

The cycle of violence between the Jews & the Egyptians continues with no end in sight in Egypt. After eight previous plagues that have destroyed the Egyptian infrastructure and disrupted the lives of ordinary Egyptian citizens, the Jews launched a new offensive this week in the form of the plague of darkness.

Western journalists were particularly enraged by this plague. "It is simply impossible to report when you can't see an inch in front of you,"complained a frustrated Andrea Koppel of CNN. "I have heard from my reliable Egyptian contacts that in the midst of the blanket of blackness, the Jews were annihilating thousands of Egyptians. Their word is solid enough evidence for me."

While the Jews contend that the plagues are justified given the harsh slavery imposed upon them by the Egyptians, Pharaoh, the Egyptian leader, rebuts this claim. "If only the plagues would let up, there would be no slavery. We just want to live plague-free. It is the right of every society."

Saeb Erekat, an Egyptian spokesperson, complains that slavery is justifiable given the Jews' superior weaponry supplied to them by the superpower God.

The Europeans are particularly enraged by the latest Jewish offensive. "The Jewish aggression must cease if there is to be peace in the region. The Jews should go back to slavery for the good of the rest of the world," stated an angry French President Jacques Chirac. Even several Jews agree. Adam Shapiro, a Jew, has barricaded himself within Pharaoh's chambers to protect Pharaoh from what is feared will be the next plague, the death of the firstborn. Mr. Shapiro claims that while slavery is not necessarily a good thing, it is the product of the plagues and when the plagues end, so will the slavery. "The Jews have gone too far with plagues such as locusts and epidemic which have virtually destroyed the Egyptian economy," Mr. Shapiro laments. "The Egyptians are really a very nice people and Pharaoh is kind of huggable once you get to know him," gushes Shapiro.

The United States is demanding that Moses and Aaron, the Jewish leaders, continue to negotiate with Pharaoh. While Moses points out that Pharaoh had made promise after promise to free the Jewish people only to immediately break them and thereafter impose harsher and harsher slavery, Richard Boucher of the State Department assails the latest offensive. "Pharaoh is not in complete control of the taskmasters," Mr. Boucher states. "The Jews must return to the negotiating table and will accomplish nothing through these plagues." The latest round of violence comes in the face of a bold new Saudi peace overture. If only the Jews will give up their language, change their names to Egyptian names and cease having male children, the Arab nations will incline toward peace with them, Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah declared.

A Happy Passover and Easter to all.

#58 Fabio c -- "Still too early to point the finger to Al-Quaeda and associates, but the bomb was there. "

This could be ETA. After the AQ attacks in Madrid and the Spain's stunning collective surrender to Al Quaeda, the ETA could only be emboldened and inspired to commit even larger and more atrocious acts.

Could be AQ as well. Zapatero, having the maturity of a teenager, has nevertheless concluded that he ought to zip his lip. His Bushatred rants have ceased in the past two weeks. AQ might be getting nervous that he'll weasel out of his pledge to them. This could be a reminder event.

Either way, Spain has improvidently guaranteed the occurence of future devasting terror attacks on its soil.

News from the Costa Del Appeasement:

Telegraph ticker tape says bomb similar to March 3rd bombs.

Hmm...

#80 Phil (CDN)

That's hilarious!

OT but sickening:

Female circumcision 'on the rise'

Friday morning, more than 48 hours after Fallujah, still no action.

It's gonna be really precise, carried on with a scalpel so fine that it will be invisible.

And then we must respect the religious holy day. We don't want to hurt the spiritual sensitivity of the masses of animals who rip corpses apart.

There is a strange spanish-french perfume in the air...

#80 Phil (CDN)

LOL!

OT -- Mentioned by #51 Smit:

10-to-12 kilogram bomb found on Spanish high-speed rail line: Globe and Mail / AP

I can see the protests in the streets now. Big signs reading ¡Pero nos entregamos!

("But we surrendered!" Or literally "But we gave ourselves!").

#77 Dirk Diggler: Shhh.. You're not supposed to know about that. It will greatly upset the IAEA honchos, who are itching to expand their bureaucratic bumbling in yet another country.

#80 Phil (CDN): very funny. Sad but true. The BBC would be reporting the destruction of the Egyptian army at the Red Sea as 'genocide committed on a scale never before seen.' It makes the Highway of Death look like a romp through a field of flowers. FoxNews would cover the 10th Plague with the following headline 'Mysterious Disease Kills Firstborn, News at 11,' while al Jazeera would say "Zionists unleash biological weapons of mass destruction on world, seeking to take it over; we must destroy every last remnant.'

#68 colt: Wow, you mean the terrorists aren't done with Spain yet? Wasn't the whole idea of getting out of Iraq supposed to insulate them from further attacks. Could the appeasers be wrong again?

So Spain is about to find out that appeasing terrorists doesn't work.

The Algerian bombmaker I referred to in #68 was Khaled Kelkal. Thankfully he is dead.

#80 Phil (CDN)

Speaking of plagues, has anyone heard anything recently about that plague of locusts that is supposed to descend on the Middle East? How cool would it be if it attacked Egypt again before Pesach?

#88 lawhawk

Could the appeasers be wrong again?

Of course not - Spain just hasn't withdrawn their troops quickly enough...

I was just talking to the wife on the phone, and I actually said "LOL" to a humorous remark she made.

Does anyone else do that, or am I slipping into senility?

LOL.

When we had Moslem riots in the UK, they were videod, rounded up, then sent to prison for very long sentances.

And.. no more Moslem riots.

Can't the Americans do this?

#93 Thom - it means you need to unplug from time to time :)

#93 Thom

Does anyone else do that, or am I slipping into senility?

Does anyone else do what?

And without the trademark, how do we know it's really you?

Now what was I saying?

#85

Or maybe US personnell on the ground is gathering intelligence and organizing thouroughly an operation that will achieve real results without becoming a mass slaughter... and more important, with little US casualties.

off topic, but...

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

oh yes, of course, the bomb is from an anarchist group.
that MUST be it.

because while spain is still a western society---albeit now a SOCIALIST, PEACE-LOVING one---whyever would al queda still want to harm them?

I think the troops and contractors better change their
bandwidth-whatever it is called. Someone is listening in,
has goten the code. It could be scanners, could be traitor local police. Also wouldn't some armored jeeps be better that those humvees.Be more manuverable,faster.just a 2cents.

How did we get to this?

ot - ah-ha! Now islam's the Religion of Mercy, RoM™.

Could you please clarify how Islam views the issue of mutilating the dead bodies of enemies at times of war?

First of all, it is to be noted that Islam prohibits torturing living people and mutilating the dead even if they are non-Muslims.

but, but, but...

#93 Thom

LOL!!!

I've done it too.
I've actually heard my nic in public not to long ago, and was about to respond to them. D'oh!

OT -- from the AP line at yahoonews re: today's clashes in Israel:

Initially, several Palestinian youngsters threw stones at police deployed nearby. In response, hundreds of officers with helmets and plastic shields burst into the walled compound, shooting tear gas, stun grenades and plastic bullets, witnesses said.

Yep. I bet that's exactly how it went down, right? Just a handful of little kids throwing stones.

Previewing, and another cup of coffee would do me some good.

Tough love from VDH.

Lovin’ Europe by Leavin’

Is there anything these people don't want to destroy? Is there anyone they don't want to kill? These guys really need to switch to decaf...

Al-Qaida cleric urges Rome's destruction

Tapes featuring Abu Qatada, a radical Muslim cleric named by Britain as the spiritual inspiration for the lead Sept. 11 hijacker, were found during recent raids in the northern Italian town of Cremona, weekly news magazine Panorama reported on Friday.

“The destruction must be carried out by sword. Those who will destroy Rome are already preparing the swords. Rome will not be conquered with the word but with the force of arms,” Qatada says in transcripts of the videotapes seen by Panorama.

“Rome is a cross. The West is a cross and Romans are the owners of the cross. Muslims’ target is the West. We will split Rome open,” he is reported as saying.

#106 Dirk Diggler

but.. but.. the Pope has the Catholics pray for the Muslims every Ramadan! They all sing Kumbyah at Interfaith services! There must be some mistake...

Amen to that, Ali.

About the kids...some people who are also at fault are their parents. How come these children even tolerated what was going on in the first place?? Those poor Americans were being degraded in every possible way and human dignity was being so horribly violated that any child should have known that something wrong was being done. But those children joined in the chaos, some with their parents. What kind of parents encourage this barbaric behavior? I would never say something like "nuke 'em all," but how do you deal with such people?

Anyways, great rational postings by folks such as Ali make me proud to know that I'm on the right side of history.

OT - anyone seen this crap yet. It is still under construction but it is still a POS site.

Sheik Yassen

105 T

I totally agree. I have lived here for a while and I see that the attitudes here are forged out of immaturity and lack of life experience. The medical and military stances here should tell you about it.

Here in Sweden they have debates about whether or not to have a military. Totally absurd.

Yeah, OK. Trouble don't start none won't be none, but in the history of mankind thier has ALWAYS been a need to own a defense force. If they lose the military I could just walk right up to the prime minister Gershon Perrson and tell him to stand down or I will kick his pansy ass. He will immediatly avoid conflict like a good Swede.

i will then declare myself the ruler of Sweden and ask for recognition from America as a nation. They will do it because I am a citizen. I will then ask for military support from the USA in exchange for the installation of a military base closer than Iceland. Yes, again.

I will then relax, and glance over my kingdom I gained through appeasement. that is how you do it here in europe guys.

Oh, and good morning. Damn manners. Always forget 'em.

OT - and slighty more amusing than RWC's posting:

Sharon threatens to whack 'poor insurance risk' Arafat

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon threatened his long-time foe Yasser Arafat with assassination Friday in acid-dripping comments in which he called the longtime Palestinian president a poor insurance risk.

Sharon also included Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, leader of Lebanon's Hizbollah guerrilla group, in his threat.

"I wouldn't suggest either one of them should feel secure. I wouldn't propose that any insurance company give them coverage," Sharon told Israel's Haaretz newspaper.

"Anyone who kills a Jew or harms an Israeli citizen, or sends someone to kill Jews, is a marked man. Period."

109 Right

What a crappily designed website. Yeesh Arab sites aren't even fun to look at!

Must be something about rejecting the western idea of doing a good job!

Joke of the Day!!!

#112 lawhawk

Does Sharon pull out this threat every 6 to 8 months? I seem to recall last summer he threated to whack Arafat and the UN called emergency sessions, issued resolutions, and whined & cried a river of tears.

Maybe Sharon is pulling a Peter and the Wolf? If he keeps threatening, the world will eventually ignore the threats. And then blammo, Arafat is a DNA spot on a wall in Ramallah.

Or maybe it is a diversion? Have the world look to Arafat while he goes into Damascus and does some necessary housecleaning there?

All I know is I'm tired of hearing the threats. Either sh*t or get off the pot. I can't think of one reason why Arafat should be wasting oxygen, so get it done and let us all celebrate.

...coming late to the thread as usual...

Ali hits this right on the nose. I think both Charles and Den Beste have made relevant analyses about this atrocity, and overall the only thing I disagree with is that this was a random, spontaneous act. This kind of shiat is right out of the Pali playbook. It was staged.

The victims themselves may have been the only random element here, just so long as they were some flavor of infidel, preferably American. But the whole deal with these nutjobs is to get something like this on camera, so you can be sure that the so-called photojournalists were sitting in on this gig. Ali confirms what I suspected, which is that this is being replayed and gloated over throughout the Arab world. But the true target audience, of course, is American viewers. These clowns think that this bestiality will produce the same result as Mogadishu. For a lot of reasons, many previously stated here, they have miscalculated. There are going to be reasoned, measured and effective consequences. But lets make sure that the real culprit, the islamoid propaganda machine, suffers some real damage.

Ali is correct. If we have to nuke something, nuke Al-Jiz and Al-Arabiya and their ilk. At a bare minimum, ensure that they cannot operate in Iraq. I have always had the sneaking suspicion that the "collateral damage" to the Al-Jiz office in Baghdad was a not-so-subtle payback for all of their bullshit. I think this needs to be repeated in spades, so these a**holes comprehend that their overt support of terrorists is not going to be tolerated.

Meanwhile, round up every last identifiable savage whose leering puss is on those tapes and lay down some serious smack, up to and including extreme prejudice. Televise that, and the message will start to get through.

#110 - And I for one welcome the new overload of Sweden. I've got some pepper spray; I wonder if I can get my own country? I hear Alderan is peaceful and they have no weapons, but I can't find them on a map.

#117 Renna

Sorry to inform you, but Muslim strom troopers destroyed Alderan. :-(

117 Renna

See guys these Arabs aren't all stupid we should get in on the "land grab" while we can!! Ill take Sweden for the summers, and since Arabs have Spain I want Southern France "for culture!"

see guys its fun, and Europe loves thier dictators. The formula is simple: 1. Play the bereaved minority card. 2. Complain that you still suffer inequality 3. Blammo!!!

Bomb goes off and blame it on oppression and inequality you suffered because they (sniff, sniff) were (sniff, tear) not fair ( buwahhh!!).

Last, it can only be fair if you do it my way! So there!

I hear Alderan is peaceful and they have no weapons, but I can't find them on a map.

all your rebel bases belong to us...

All the news this week has left me in a decidedly Galts Gulch kind of place.

#120 Dirk Diggler

LOL

#121 Smit

Indeed.

RIP Ford,

"Who blew up da Death Star? Who!?"

#93 Thom

I was just talking to the wife on the phone, and I actually said "LOL" to a humorous remark she made.

At least you didn't say "roffle-mao".

I say, “‘nuke’ Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabia, the terrorists and all dictators in the world. It’s either us or them”. The evil TV channels should be prevented from entering Iraq and spew their poisons into the minds of simple people. They’re more dangerous than the terrorists themselves and no rigid concepts such as ‘freedom of speech’ should stop us here. This is not journalism, its terror propaganda.

Hear, hear!

@124 Colt

*LMAO!! and that's outloud!

dubai is like one big red light district. I read something from a reporter who lives in some 7 star fantasy hotel courtesy of Al Aribaya. She wrote a hilariusly scathing bio on Hussein a few years ago in Vice magazine, she must have changed her name since then or something. She said all the muslims party in Dubai on the weekends then go be holy all week wherever they are from.

here's the article
[Link: www.viceland.com...]

unfortunetly her comments under the article have since been erased.

Roffle Mayo™!!

That's a keeper.

Thanks guy, I don't feel so bad anymore.

unknown #67

Your level of proficiency flying jets is - what exactly?