Fucking Retards

#1

I concur.

F***ing slimebags.

Wait! I'm confused! Wasn't it the French Foreign Minister who said that the U.S. was racist? Are you sure that these pictures were taken in France?
I'm shocked!

/sarcasm

Bigel sighting in 5...4...3...2...1...

Bigel initiates Sampson Option in 5...4...3..2...

In the past few years, France has suffered a wave of violence against Jewish schools, synagogues and cemeteries that coincided with new fighting in the Middle(AP Photo/Gil Michel)

It also coincided with large scale immigration from predominately Muslim N. African countries.

It also coincided with the virulent anti-Semitism of the French.

But "Fighting in the Middle East" is always the cause of BS like this, according to the AP. B*stards.

Rather than just condemning the attack - seeing a quick capture and brutal prosecution of the bastards who did this would be a more meaningful response from the French Government.

Are they expecting the buried Jews to claw their way up from their graves and leave or something?

Fucking Nazi French pig bastards.

#7 Athos

Don't take a real deep breath on that one.

Not Bigel, but ...

{Explicit Rant Excised; wouldn't want to cause trouble with employer ;) }

. . .

And to conclude ( ;) ) bugger 'em. With a telephone pole. Sideways.

So where is the one white, male, neo-nazi that's doing all this? After all, it can't be the shaheed wanna-be's living in Eurabia, now can it?
*hmph*

Lysander

This is utterly disgusting.

Is the use of the German "Juden raus" merely a blind as to the perpetrators?

I am mystified by anti-Semitism. I cannot understand how any civilized group can tolerate it, and how any person with half a brain can promote it.

Jamie Irons

Why the surprise?

Its Froggystan after all!

This kind of stuff makes my blood boil.

Lysander, I prefer pitchforks stuck in sideways to telephone poles, but your idea would still do nicely.

SoCalJustice, well said.

NAZISLAMIEUROFASCISM

Coming soon to a planet near you...

One would think that given their (fairly) recent occupation, the French would avoid throwing around swastikas

This is how kcufed Fralgeria is:

On headstones, they spray paint the symbols of a regime which would have completed decimating them, had not those evil Americans interfered.

Then again, you have to wonder about the psychology of a people who eat...frogs legs.

W.T.F.

Damn them. Now they can deal with the genie they let out of the bottle, and soon they will see their graves desecrated, too.

This will be heard all over France. They deserve no less.

#14 lawhawk

This kind of stuff makes my blood boil.

Lysander, I prefer pitchforks stuck in sideways to telephone poles, but your idea would still do nicely.

A compromise, Counsellor: Pitchforks *and* telephone poles. preferrably with burning pitch too ;)

Telephone poles are good for sheer size. And the wooden variety tend to produce nasty splinters >:)

Big Nasty Splinters. With Big Pointy Teeth! :) (ok, having too much fun with this...)

Lysander

I have grown so weary of the standard phrase

"We condemn these attacks ..."

Who gives a shit what you condemn! Do something about it! Arrest some idiots, have an investigation, call the Mossadd! Just get off your ass and do something!

The rest of the newsire pics:

[Link: news.search.yahoo.com...]

Hey, anybody... I'll be you a FREE! copy of the EU Study on Anti-Semitism that this was not the work of Muslims!!!

//sarcasm

G...Dammit!! Course there IS no Antisememtism in France. We are being too SEN...SI...TIVVEEE. We Jews are just USING the term Antisememtism as a weapon against nice and innocent people... yeah RIGHT...*()&)(_*_)()_(&^%*&%$

Go for it Bigel.

I hope French Jews leave, and soon.

Thank G-d for the 2nd Ammendment.

Let those cowards try that with this Jew -

#27
I hope they don't. This is just the intent of these assholes. I hope the French Jews fight back.

#29
Forgot to add, Gpd knows how, but I hope they find a way.

17 Cam

One would think that given their (fairly) recent occupation, the French would avoid throwing around swastikas

I think their most recent occupation is currently ongoing, and is being carried out with unchecked immigration from countries whose people can't get enough Mein Kampf and Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

#12 Jamie I.

Is the use of the German "Juden raus" merely a blind as to the perpetrators?

Probably. The cops could probably find the perps by driving through the nearest Muslim neighborhood and looking for local punks with red paint on their hands.

I meant God, and I apologise. It's late here in euroland, and I think I will sign off. Soon

#12 Jamie Irons:

"I am totally mystified by anti-Semitism." I can give you a dissertation on it, actually, I wrote one. A primer:

--Anti-Semitism is the longest running hate show the world has ever seen, probably beginning with the Passion Play which served to justify violence against Jews for millenia.

--Since Jews literally wandered from country to country, ("Quick, name more than one country that has never expelled, deported, killed or converted their Jews"), they were at the mercy of kings and various rulers and faced restrictions about where they lived and what jobs they could hold.

--Despite success in Spain, Portugal, Middle Europe, Britain (physicians, philosophers, esteemed rabbis, advisors to kings, etc), they were targeted. Sheer numbers, one of the smallest minorities without real protection, and the Church's Passion Play was frequently reenacted. In the middle ages Jews were blamed for the Plague, much as they are blamed for infecting minorities with AIDs today.

--Stereotypes about Jews and money arose because Christians were forbidden from exacting interest from fellow Christians and moneylending was one of the few vocations open to Jews. Jews later on moved toward becoming sellers of diamonds and furs because these items were portable and could be taken with a family on a moment's notice and be used for cash.

--There was period of renaissance in Europe, Jews allowed back into Britain, Napolean was a bit liberal toward Jews and Germany had an enlightenment, but the Jews were open targets for the blood libel of the Czars which led to massive progroms. Germany, which relatively late in history formed a nation state, was the first to identify Jews as a race and this set the course for Aryan racial laws.

--There are a few uniting forces behind anti-Semitism. One is scapegoating and conspiracy theories seem go down easier amongst the poor and illiterate, a class the Jews often are not part of. Also, governments, and this is where the intellegenstia comes in, often use anti-Semitism under the guise of "anti-capitalism, anti-globalizm, anti-foreigners, anti-Israel," take your pick.

--And this is where we are. Things have changed, (Israel has nuclear capability), and things have remained the same (millions of Muslims, Catholics and Budhists, some illiterate, some intellectual, believe Jews control the world and are responsible for 911).

--Not a pretty picture. If you know a Jewish family, ask yourself if you would hide them if it comes to that.

I'm Roman Catholic, in full support of Israel's right to exist, and the Palestinian Right of Return...to Hell.

Best summary:

On the Seventh Day, The Lord Rested...as did the IDF.

And when they write "RAUS" what they really mean is "DIE".

mustrum

There are 600,000 unarmed Jews in France vs. 6,000,000 French Muslims, many armed. The government and the people support the Muslims.

If the Jews try to fight, they will be exterminated.

Jews left Egypt after 3500 years, Iraq after more than that (Abraham came from an area that is now in Iraq).

It is time for Jews to realize that after 2000+ years of nonstop persecution, they will never be accepted in Europe, will always be hated, and will never be safe in Europe.

It is time for Jews to leave Europe. Forever.

I learned it a few hours ago. It's sad, but don't put the blame on the French only. There have been many antisemitic incidents worldwide.

I am sure many people in France are deeply horrified by what's just happened.

Don't confuse the pro Arab French foreign policy, which is after all shared by many LLL in the US, and Nazi-like antisemitism. Whilst I perfectly agree that the constant demonisation of Israel in the French media (but admit that you have MANY papers in the US which do the same) pours oil on the fire of antisemitism, it is not (at least for the moment) a tactical attempt at siding out the Jewish population for latter ordeal.

By the way, there is at the moment a very rough debate, sparked by Nicolas Sarkozy, the ex Minister of the Interior, known for his sympathy to Israel (he spends his holidays there and his wife is Jewish . He recently accused the former socialist gov't of Lionel Jospin of underestimating antisemitic incidents in France. The socialist are utterly shocked, and wail about being called antisemites.

tenpin...

Let's not forgot that the Jews were vastly outnumbered during the Six Day War as well.

Give credit to the spirit and survival instinct of a people.

Jews are hated everywhere. If they leave Europe, they may as well leave wherever they are.

How long can you run for? How far?

#36 tenpin
Understood, and mostly agreed, but...

There is something "icky", and this is just a feeling I have, about doing what your enemies wish you to do. Seems like appeasment, although I do understand the reality of the situation.

The anti-Israel, pro-Arab bias of the Froggy gov't? Is it really a product of anti-Semitism as such, or is it just a national non-entity with dreams of being a world power and player again? Either way, an end has to be put to it.

tenpin (#36),

It is time for Jews to leave Europe. Forever.

And Europe's Jew haters will thank you for making it so easy. Hell they'll probably pay for your tickets. And just where should all of Europe's Jews run to?

#39 mustrum

The anti-Israel, pro-Arab bias of the Froggy gov't? Is it really a product of anti-Semitism as such, or is it just a national non-entity with dreams of being a world power and player again?

More parochially, it is an attempt to secure economic and strategic benefits (oil, contracts, protection from terror...). Since the 20th century, the French are big time collaborators, as you should know.

My grandmother-in-law sheltered six Jews in Holland during the War, but I never thought that I'd ever even have to think about taking in a Jewish family in 21st century Toronto. With muslim natality rates, though, maybe my grandchildren... nahhh, we'll have brought the islamist threat to heel.

Not that it matters a whole lot, but this attack may have been carried out by Germans. This is eastern France, the side that borders on Germany (the town even has a Germanname), and 'Juden raus' means 'Jews out' in German, not French. The defacing of Jewish cemeteries is also a fairly regular occurrence in Germany.

#37 Mr. David Parisian Insider:

Tell me something, please. Where are the millions of French people, who I am always hearing on NPR love to "take to the streets" to demontrate against medical cut-backs, terrorism in Spain, the war in Iraq, George Bush, take your pick, who should be saying to their government, "We will not go back and hide or downplay violence against Jews. We are after all the continent that spawned Mein Kampf, the same hate spewed by Muslims perpetrating violence against Jews today. Don't we have a special responsibility to see that history does not repeat itself?"

Tell me, where are these people who consider themselves to be so enlightened, the ones who portray Bush as a stupid baffoon?

Until I see Europeans taking to the streets to force the government of Jacque Chirac and the EU take an honest look at the current anti-Semitism, white-right wingers, my ass, I reject Europe's memorials to the Holocaust and their crocodile tears. They have more sympathy for dead Jews than ones fighting for their lives in Israel.

Shame on Europe, shame.

#40
Besides, most of the Europeans I know, admittedly I hang around with the same small bunch of people at my lab all the time, would like to see the Arabs FOAD, and not the Jews to leave.

Like the AP isn't too subtle. They have to tell us (hint hint) that this "coincided with new fighting in the Middle East". Sure, tell us what to think, how to think, and when to think. We all know, don't we, whose fault the "new fighting" is? Sure, the Jews brought this on themselves! Anyone can see that just by reading the Associated Press.

The fact that the message was written in German rather than Arabic points to moderates, rather than hardliners.

16:56 French President Chirac promises tough crackdown on anti-Jewish violence after vandalism on cemetery in Herrlisheim

...and Chirac vows to do more to crackdown on anti-Jewish violence It is Chirac who helped make this tragedy possible. He who every chance criticizes Israel with immorally bold face ever so bankrupt admonishment.

Another empty vow, that's what it is!! Like the vows from State for Syria and the palestinians to CRACKDOWN on terror. Holly Shit, how many times will those words be repeated until we could almost scream with laughter?

As far as I am concerned Chirac's behavior is almost as shameful as those that find enjoyment in desecrating Jewish cemeteries in 2004. Chirac means what he says as much as the evil monsters who committed this awful crime.

Being a Jew I must tell you that to endure the desecration of a grave marker which btw is something so sacred few words can discribe, is one of the most evil and revolting acts another human can perform against us as a people.

The pain of being witness to those pictures does not compare to the deep all riveting pain right to our souls we as Jews feel when this happens to us.

Psychobarb - do you really think that Catholics hate the Jews? Wrongo. Being one, I know plenty and haven't met a person yet who hates them. It would be hating our heritage - it's where we came from. Or am I missing something in your commentary?

#47 luigi

The fact that the message was written in German rather than Arabic points to moderates, rather than hardliners.

labour camps as opposed to death camps? What a great distinction
/sarcasm

And another thing, I was just looking at the pictures in detail. If this was perpetrated (sic) by Germans, why are the swastikas drawn with the hooks to the right (the Hindu way) rather than to the left and tilted 45 degrees off vertical (the Nazi way).

Yet another piece of proof:
Jew-hating muslims and others are morons, who can't even get their racism the right, or more correctly, the left way around.

#44
They did it in the past (the gruesome Carpentras cemetery desecration is a good example). The main problem is the inability to confront the fact that antisemitism is now predominantly caused by Muslims, and not the traditional antisemitic Far Right that embodies the ultimate evil.
Things are changing slowly, in France, and now even the socialists dare to say that their dear 'proteges', the Arabs, can be as racist as anyone.
Don't misunderstand me, I am highly critical (and sometimes horrified) by France's foreign policy. And I hated the way the gov't and the media denied the rise of antisemitism BECAUSE IT WAS PERPETRATED BY ARABS.

I ll expand on the subject later, I ve got an emergency

#49 Bernadette

I concur.

#12, #43

Note that Herrlisheim is in Alsace, the part of France where German is spoken. Also note the celtic cross on one of the stones; a symbol appropriated by the racist right but not commonly known as such (and therefore likely not a red herring as #12 suggests). I think this incident is likely the work of a lone spraypaintsman, either Alsatian or German (with the EU, border crossing is easy) or even Francophone French, but using the language of the Nazis for its evocative effect.

I don't think European Jews should leave Europe. I think they should buy guns, and learn how to use them.

And I think Non-European Jews should move there, bring guns as well, and help out the local communities.

Arabs and Nazis shouldn't get away with their intimidation tactics.

@#@#$##@!@#@^%$$###$$&**^%#(*&^%$

Ladies and Gentlemen, please appreciate my self control.

/just arrived on the blog and finds only dark news

#54 fugio

Or should we call you Sherlock Fugio?

Nice work!

Bernadette:

You are missing my point. I am not saying Catholics hate Jews. But are you aware that some of the highest rates of anti-Semitism are found in South American, where the populations are overwhelmingly Catholic? Again, South America has huge pockets of poverty, (oh hell, major parts of the continent may be lost forever), so folks there believe, "Yes, Jews control media, world, banks, etc." Do I think the Church has anything to do with spreading this shit, no, not really, but on the other hand, they haven't exactly worked to refute it, either.

Spain, recently, has become obsessed with things Jewish. (So has Poland where they hold Jewish festivals in the countryside, sort of like a long-lost cultural thing. Never mind the entire country is one huge Jewish graveyard, Poles, too, see no connection to their past and what's happening today). Anyway in Spain people are obsessed with finding "Jewish root" given that many Jews were forced to convert during the Inquisition.

So no, it's not solely about religion, though you have to acknowledge there are deep roots of anti-Semitism in Christianity, particularly here in the US it's not about religion . It's more about nation states and past history. The US is one of the few countries in the world that has neither expelled, deported, killed or converted its Jews.

#50

Sorry. Should have noted my sarcasm was turned on. In truth, the only reason the Islamofacists are preferable to the Nazis is that they can't actually fight.

#19

Damn them. Now they can deal with the genie they let out of the bottle, and soon they will see their graves desecrated, too. This will be heard all over France. They deserve no less.

How incredibly sad, and how incredibly true. Just yesterday I was thinking about the Eiffel tower with a crescent on top. Scary.

#51

If this was perpetrated (sic) by Germans, why are the swastikas drawn with the hooks to the right (the Hindu way) rather than to the left and tilted 45 degrees off vertical (the Nazi way).

The swastika in front is at a 45-degree angle (not that the Nazis didn't sometimes use their swastikas without the tilt).

Also, they are drawn the Nazi way. Look.

(#33) Psychobarb:

Thanks for the outline.

Much of the history I am aware of; what I still want an explanation for is why this sort of speech/behavior isn't more roundly condemned by non-illiterate, indeed highly literate, elites everywhere.

The "ideas" of anti-Semitism, were we to so dignify them, are beyond laughable and contemptible. Why would any "intellectual" with an ounce of pride not immediately denounce them?

Jamie Irons

That's just wrong, but you have to wonder why this is happening. Many people strongly believe that the U.S. is actually fighting Israel's war in the Middle East.

This is just my take on this..If you are Pro Israel (cause it is just right) and or if you think that to be Pro Israel is to also be Pro American and Pro Democracy and Pro the general values you approve of and you belong to a Church...ANY Church...I think it would be a good idea to look into the stance on and plans FOR Isreal that the *Institutialized part of your Church takes.

The Institutional and Leadership part of your Church has alot of power. In fact ..in some Church set ups..waay more power than the people. It isnt the nice person sitting next to you on Sunday that you need to ask about this FIRST...Its the Leadership, locally and internationally and within the Structure that you have to question.

This DID NOT HAPPEN in WW2..and that was some mistake. I know you can change this. Just look at the statements coming out of your Churches ..(some Reform Shuls as well) and see if you agree with them or not. IF you dont agree..SAY SO LOUDLY..and make a change. The Church and the Synagogue ISNT the Religion..YOU ARE. Really..YOU have the ultimate power..especially in the US where the awareness is more and the education is more.

Take charge...You can if you wish. Its a CHOICE acutally. Europe CHOSE to hold the attitudes it is holding..and America will have to continue choosing..as Citizens of the COuntry AND as Citizens within a Belief Structure...Actually this isnt Rocket Science.

Do you believe what your Institutionalized Church believes on Israel or not? Thats all this is.

Are they expecting the buried Jews to claw their way up from their graves and leave or something?

Gaza dead must be re-mourned if graves transferred.

#58 psychobarb
"one huge Jewish graveyard"

Is that an implication that Poles were complicit? If so, I resent it.

More on the history of anti-semitism.

#51

Me bad, bash bash bash head.

I doubt it was done by Germans. While "Juden raus" is German, of course, they made a mistake (and corrected it) writing "Führer". Wouldn't happen to a German...

Not that Germany doesn't have antisemitism problems...

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Fuck 'em. Just wish I coulda caught one of the little fucks doing it.

#69

made a terrible mistake with the link... It's late in Germany.

But the link is correct...

55 SoCalJustice

Arabs and Nazis shouldn't get away with their intimidation tactics

It is far worse than simple intimidation.
It is a sick revolting evil which should not be happening. But truly, I lay the blame on world leaders for they are the incubators of this madness. Sure, they come out and make their half-assed statements on how bad this is but they do nothing for they themselves can not stop demonizing Israel hence the Jewish people.

A great essay from 2002, The canary in Europe's mine

A timeless lesson of history is that it rarely ends with the Jews. Militant Islamist extremists were attacking and killing Jews long before they attacked and killed Americans on Sept. 11. The Nazis first set out to incinerate the Jews; in the end, all of Europe was ablaze.

The world suffers from historical amnesia! For this if we are not careful, civilization will pay a much larger price than before. One that simply chills me right to the bone.

Jews, it is often said, are the canary in the coal mine of civilization. When they become the objects of savagery and hate, it means the air has been poisoned and an explosion is soon to come. If Europeans don't rise up and turn against the Jew-haters, it is only a matter of time until the Jew-haters rise up and turn against them.

This is not only a warning but a call to action. If we fail to act than the unthinkable will happen again. (but worse!)

#33 Psychobarb

Germany, which relatively late in history formed a nation state, was the first to identify Jews as a race and this set the course for Aryan racial laws.

It was medieval Spain which first identified Jews as a race, so that even those who converted to Christianity were treated badly."The Purity of Blood Statutes".

The statutes were designed to limit the rights of the new class of Christians. Those who maintained Jewish blood or lineage deriving from Jewish ancestry were classed as 'impure' and were consequently forbade from holding offices and executing privileges. Consequently many laws of this type were passed throughout the rest of Spain to target the conversos population. Detailed records of family histories and genealogies were formed as the kingdom attempted to purify its nation and remove the taint of Jewish blood.

It is too late for Europe.
It was too late when the Pilgrim Fathers got on the Mayflower.

MEMRI reports - Iranian TV Series based on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the Jewish Control of Hollywood aired during 1st 2 weeks of April.

"The most important film produced under Zionist guidance in the 60s was called Operation Eichmann. This film completed the false myth about the murder of six million Jews in the hands of the Nazis.

"But the film producers did not mention his provocative trial on December 17 1961. This is because of what Eichmann said about the German Jews' expulsion and killing: 'I was only carrying out the orders of the Zionists. They asked me to gather the Jews in a specific place in the world, using expulsion or murder. First, their target was Poland, then Madagascar, but in the end they chose the Middle East. If I am guilty of the so-called

killing of 6 million Jews then the Zionist leaders are much guiltier than I am. This is because they wanted to silence the world under the pretext that if they had stayed in Germany they would have been killed. Because they don't have a country they are forced to occupy other people's land. And that is what they did.' The Zionist authorities finished the trial quickly to avoid further commotion. They hanged Adolf Eichmann in 1962 so the secrets of the collaboration between the Zionists and the Nazis would remain hidden.

Unbelievable.

Then, there is this on where the Protocols supposedly came from -

"When the Zionists convened their special congress in 1897 in Basel, Switzerland, a group of Czarist Russian policemen set fire to the congress hall. The Jews taking part in the congress fled out of fear of the fire. The policemen collected the documents, lists and protocols of the meeting that were lying on the desks and transferred them to Moscow. They found among these writings what was later called The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The Protocols were divided into 24 parts and included the satanic Jewish ideas of taking over the world using a Jewish government, after destroying all of Orthodox Russia, Catholic Europe, the pope's reign, and Islam."

There is no difference between the stupidity and the hatred of those pigs that defiled the cemetary, and those in Iran who promoted this hateful propaganda.

#55 SCJ

I don't think European Jews should leave Europe. I think they should buy guns, and learn how to use them.

Agreed.

#76 #55

I think that what all of Europe needs is a good dose of the second ammendment. Too bad so much of it needs it from the business end of the gun...

Sigh...

#75 Athos

And the poison is pouring out of the Middle East to infect Europe.
OSCE condemns biased anti-Israelism

"Anti-Semitism today is deliberately manufactured and produced in Arab countries and delivered in a conveyor belt to Europe through the mosques," said Foxman.

There was verbal condemnation of antisemitism at this European gathering, but we need action (and firm action at that) not just words.

#78 RC neo-Jew

There was verbal condemnation of antisemitism at this European gathering, but we need action (and firm action at that) not just words.

Unfortunately, there is no real track record in Europe for delivering action - just empty words. Same with the UN.

Pfff, back from the ER (the ICU is more tranquil tonight).
78 and 79

That's an excellent point. Europe behaves like the UN (err, at least all EU countries are democracies).
They are afraid to tackle the antisemitism problem because it is so related to the Arab world nowadays. Should there be a revival of neo nazi antisemitism, everybody would be outraged and demonstrate.
Europe is so ashamed of its behaviour during WW2 that it has a phobia of any kind of racism. Europeans live in the nightmare that what happened in the past, what it nurtured in its bosom, could recur. Europe is so afraid of its past xenophobic pulsions that it has desperately tried to turn them into blind 'xenophilia'. Hence its extreme unease at condemning the Arabs for their antisemitism, because the Arabs have for long time represented the 'Other', the potential easy target for racism, discrimination and so forth, that should be protected at all costs.
The result of all this has proven counterproductive because it has led to:
- systematically turn a blind eye from the antisemitism of their archetypal 'oppressed minority' , on the ground that the victims of racism cannot themselves be racist.
-sort of understand, if not justify, violent actions by the so called oppressed minorities, on the ground that these are deseprate attempts for recognition of their rights.

#80
Which doesn't make it right, but point taken.

#76 colt
You can't easily buy guns in Europe.

#82 David 'Parisian Insider'

I know (Brit, remember? :-)

Oh well. If Jews wish to remain in Europe, laws will have to be broken.

After worldwar 2 the western nations stated "Never AGAIN". WAKE UP CALL. Its happening again. Will we once again claim that we did not not what was happening.

#82
You can buy guns easily enough in Europe. It's just usually not legal, which doesn't stop many people from doing so.

#81 mustrum
Of course it's not, but that's a typical leftist logic. Not different, in the end, than that of Michael Moore and friends.

And there 's also a huge brainwashing by the media.

How do you think Americans would view the world if their furthest right wing paper was the NYT?

#83 colt
True, you are British. Not many guns there, not many deaths by firearms either.
I lived in London you know, 10 years ago. Cool place.

#86
I'm in agreement with that. The EUros have gone off their little socialist heads with the state protection. They're not waking up to the fact that in doing that they have deprived their populace of the most basic freedom of all, the safety of their lives and of their families, and secondarily, their possessions.

The social enginnering in Europe is something that went nuts a long time ago. By the way, welcome to the first day of the loss of sovereignity (sic) from one of the new 10 EUnified states.

Isn't there a French ordinance requiring anti-semitic graffiti to be written in French, or am I thinking of Quebec?

#89
I think that's Quebec.

Let's hear it for "Liberté, égalité, fraternité."

#89
But the French hate them too, probably for being more French than them.

#92
No, we love the Quebecois accent!!! It is sooo funny.
:-)

#91

Let's hear it for "Liberté, égalité, fraternité."

Err... yeah. The first one, not for some. The second, well, my first point effectively rules that out. And the third? Well, it seems that the cemmetary has answered that one.

Europe was a better place, before the French gov't gave the Arabs French passports, and the Germans let the Turks in.

Jews are welcome in my home, anytime. They really do need to pick up arms and defend themselves this time. God bless Israel.

Europe was a better place, before the French gov't gave the Arabs French passports, and the Germans let the Turks in.

But when their own populace didn't want to work, they had to let someone pick up the slack.

#89 That's from the Michael Moore movie, "Canadian Bacon" Funny movie, asshole director.

#82 David 'Parisian Insider'

#76 colt
You can't easily buy guns in Europe.

#83 Colt

#82 David 'Parisian Insider'

I know (Brit, remember? :-)

Oh well. If Jews wish to remain in Europe, laws will have to be broken.

Unfortunately, if found out, it would feed the viewpoint that we have something to hide, and the RoP™ "nations" will pump out 300 part mockumentaries of the "Protocols," edited to show that the plans are being carried out.

Lysander

#98
The viewpoint is being fed when the Jews do nothing. So perhaps a few (or many) well placed deaths could be better?

#96
That's Canada's problem too.

#87 David 'Parisian Insider'

True, you are British. Not many guns there, not many deaths by firearms either.

The numbers are rising, but relative to elsewhere, they're low.

I lived in London you know, 10 years ago. Cool place.

Yeah, it is. I may end up living there when I go to Uni.

#98 Lysander

Unfortunately, if found out, it would feed the viewpoint that we have something to hide, and the RoP™ "nations" will pump out 300 part mockumentaries of the "Protocols," edited to show that the plans are being carried out.

So? If there weren't something real to write about, they'd make something up.

Fuck the French authorities. It is past time to start seeing newswire photos of bullet-ridden bodies clutching spray paint cans.

selpaw, good posts.

#102 freedomsound,

Good idea, will probably never happen tho.

I once said that it would be a good idea if one day the IDF airdropped some machine guns & grenades over a few of Paris' Jewish neighborhoods.

bigel (#106),

You'd better fucking believe the Poles were complicit. The fact is, Poles LOVE the Nazis. They are eternally grateful to the Nazis for ridding them of the evil Jooos.

Most Poles are just psychotic Nazi Jewhaters. That is why we cannot consider them a reliable ally in Iraq. They have their fanatic Jew hatred in common with the Arabs they are supposed to be fighting.

You're a sick man bigel.

#36 tenpin

It is time for Jews to leave Europe. Forever.

#38 uncle dave

If they leave Europe, they may as well leave wherever they are.

#40 Geepers

And just where should all of Europe's Jews run to?

#95 RebJ

Jews are welcome in my home, anytime.

All the Jews in Europe and anywhere else in the world, including Israelis who want to leave, should come to the United States.

I reluctantly believe that the time is coming when we have to start thinking about isolationism again. Let's bring our friends here first.

We have special "refugee" programs. Just two that I know of are the Humong who are still coming form Vietnam and Somalians. Why not Jews, who are clearly being persecuted again?

There aren't even that MANY Jews in the world. We could easily absorb them. And they'd be a law-abiding, civilized, intelligent and educated, productive immigrant population---which itself would be a refreshing change.

#33 Psychobarb

If you know a Jewish family, ask yourself if you would hide them if it comes to that.

Damned right I would. And I know a lot of other people who would, too.

80 Dave

I would like to tell you respectfully that that is a bullshit cop out on European views. You are pandering to the European justification for thier hatred. You of all people should know that Europeans REALLY see themselves promoting thier agendas by taking oting thier agendas by taking sides and offering assylum. Your perspective is so fucked it demands s a gaze but i will give you the benefit that the Euro perspective can infect even the best of us.

My girlfriend here in Sweden changed her surname to avoid persecution, so how do you explain that attitude? Europe has been pandering to Arabs to carry out thier agenda for 20 years now. I am now friends with an Arab Palestinian that would love nothing more than to come to the US and bomb it. His influence is none other than french which he learnt fluently in the middle east. hmm.

Europe in my opinion are the seethers that encourage this behaviour from Arabs. They are deploying the age old tactics of having others fight thier wars for them. If it was up to me I would point our power at Europe again as the true seething and the mental power to concoct such schemes. My Arab kompis is valiant but confused and couldn't dream up what is being done today.

Fess up to the fact that Europe dreams of our demise and is using such issues to do so. Sorry to be so stern to an old poster but this is not a light subject and i fight every single day for my country on the frontline of European fanaticism. I love Europe so much I hope America can save her from destroying herself once again. I hope you can see it the same way. My last girlfriend lived in Indonesia and has much the same perspective, you lay down with dogs and wake up with fleas, how do you blame the dog?

David 'Parisian Insider' (#80)

Should there be a revival of neo nazi antisemitism, everybody would be outraged and demonstrate.

I doubt that very much. When it's about the Jews, people simply don't care.

#111 zulubabe
It's a bit more complex than that. There was actually a huge demonstration in Paris (in 1986 I think) when a Jewish cemetary was desecrated. But it was allegedly by neo nazis (in fact we still don't know really who comitted it), that makes a BIG difference. The antiracist associations would be really happy to demonstrate about neo nazis, even now. But they would be reluctant to condemn arab antisemitism. LLL...logic...
Now, anti Israeli propaganda, if it goes on, might unfortunately prove you right, because people will eventually think that the evil Joos deserve what they get. We have not reached that step yet.

#107 geepers
Bigel is right, you know, the Poles have kept their antisemitism intact after WW2. Poland is the only European country where there were actually pogroms right after the end of the war.
Would you believe that no polish textbook mentioned that 3 million polish jews had been exterminated during the war. I don't know if they have been changed.

The Poles are a bit like the Arabs, they see the evil Jewish hand everywhere, eventhough their country has been virtually Juderein since 1945.

David 'Parisian Insider' (#112)

There was actually a huge demonstration in Paris (in 1986 I think) when a Jewish cemetary was desecrated.

Times have changed, I'm afraid. The last couple years have seen a sharp rise in anti-Semitism.

And yes, the Poles are well-known for the anti-Semitism.

#113 zulubabe
Yes there has been a sharp rise of antisemitism in France. But it is mainly limited to the Arab community. In fact, antisemitic acts committed by neo nazis are practically negligible (till now, at least) by comparison.

That said, I am anxious about the possible results of the long term development of anti Israel bashing and pro Arab policy sustained by our media and gov't. That might change the deal.

#110 pantat
Mate, I think you misunderstood my post completely, or maybe I did not express myself very well. After all, English is not my mother tongue. Anyway, I HATE the cowardice of the EUros, their anti Israel bashing, their virulent antiamericanism, their fucking double standard and the pro Arab appeasement policy.
Read 'au nom de l'autre' by Alain Finkielkraut (dunno whether it has been translated).

more desecrations

Shit, lost my post.

David, it's not just in France, it's everywhere. There is a huge Muslim population in France so it may be worse there but there are anti-Semitic incidents everywhere, including in the US.

After all, English is not my mother tongue.

I assumed that it was. I only wish my French was as good as your English!

#114
And some of the biggest proponents of that view were/are Maureen Dowd, Noam Chomsky, Czaritsa Catherine II, FDR, generally the NYT, Toronto Star and so on.

And if Poles were so anti-Semitic, then why, up until the war, was there such a huge and vibrant Jewish population in Poland? Were they not free to leave? Why do you blame a whole nation, for the lunacy of a bunch of biggots? Does Poland have some sort of monopoly on them?

Granted, there are problems still, and they are being worked on more or less effectively, in I admit as well Eurropean fashion. But bigel, are you not being a little judgemental, hmmm? Do you honestly think that Poles wanted the Jews extermineated? If you do, then I feel very sorry for you. I honestly have a hard time believing that anyone would think that Poles wanted the Germans first to attack, and then to put up death camps, and then kill well over 20% of the population, Poles included (some of my family included).

I know you probably won't, but I invite you to read some of the memoirs and musings of Marek Edelman, as well as some of the interviews that have been done with him. Norman Davies is another person who takes a very level-headed approach to the common history of Jews and Poles. Several really good chapters in God's Playground come to mind. The biography of Artur Szpilman should be an interesting thing for you as well (including the screen adaptation by Roman Polanski, who, his failings as a human being aside, is a Pole and a Jew and admits to both heritages). Anyways, that's my 2 cents.

#112
And Dave, which text books do you refer to? And yes, during the Communist times most if not all history was fudged. If the communist gov't could wipe out America's involvement in WWII, then what problem was it to not mention murdered Jews? Again, what time period, what books, etc.?

Nowhere else? Try England.
1946, Manchester, John Mosley and company

Wow, so many posts and comments.

#38 Uncle Dave, I like your attitude. I agree the Jews have a remarkable spirit of survival and where are they gonna run to anyway?

#42 Earl, May G-d bless the memory of your grandmother who hid Jews.

#44 David the Parisian Insider:

You seem to talk out of two side of your mouth and I'm sorry but you are merely making excuses. I agree with Pantat, if I were European I would pray the US can save Europe from itself.

Point number one for every leftie or European reading this: Get it out of your head that anti-Semitism is the pervue of the big, bad Right. The Nazis were socialists, for G-d sake, and were anti-capitalist and anti-colonialist, supported the Indians in breaking free from the English.
Yes, the book banning thing sits with the Right but Stalin banned books too and he was a Commie.

Altogether now, LEFTISTS CAN AND OFTEN TURN INTO FASCISTS! Another big lie promulgated by European politics is that the Left is all good and Right all bad. Jeez, such simplisme, the moral reasoning of a 12 year old!
(Actually my 10 year old has better moral judgement).

Mr. Parisian, I agree Europeans are deathly afraid of their own deeply engrained xenophobia and that explains their suicidal embrace of the "other", the Arabs in their midst. But what explains their turning against the Jews again, other than cold, hard Jew hatred? Are you admitting that the only Jews Europe tolerates are dead ones? It seems to me Europeans like Jews as victims, as they are being led to gas chambers. Armed ones in the Middle East are BAD.

#62 Jamie Irons:
You say you cannot understand why anti-Semitism in not roundly condemned by intellectuals everywhere. G-d this is a huge topic, too deep for a short response, but let's just say that anti-Semitism often serves the intelligenstia's and of course no one actually comes out and says "I hate Jews, let's kill them all." Hell, even Hitler did not say that initially or even publicly. He railed againsts capitalists (Jews), bankers (Jews) and foreigners (Jews). He didn't have to say the word Jew. Today you can substitute media, Israel, globalism, neocon, and you get to the same place, Jews.

#66 mustrum: I know others have said it but I have to ask. How did you get to be an adult and not know that Poles, yes average Joe villagers, were complicit in killing Jews? I tend to agree with Bigel that anti-Semitism in Poland has flowed like water. Poland was home to some of the most vicious blood libel campaigns against Jews and more than half of all Jews killed in Europe were Polish, including most of my father-in-law's relatives. It is no suprise Auschwitz was built there. Jews were gassed in the camps, in mobile killing vans throughout the countryside and lined up, stripped and shot in huge pits. There is no way villagers did not know this was going on. The earth today in Poland, and parts of the old Soviet Union, still turns up Jewish bones. I repeat:
POLAND IS ONE LARGE JEWSIH GRAVEYARD!

#95 RepJ, you said, "This time the Jews should arm themselves." They are armed, it's called the IDF, Israel Defense Force. Did you know that a few months ago, Israeli fighter pilots, many of whom were descendants of survivors, did a fly-by over Auschwitz and issued a statement saying something to the effect, "We the children of the victims salute your bravery and promise to be the defenders of Israel and Jews worldwide."

Damn fucking straight!

There are Neo-Nazi's in France just like there are Neo-Nazi's in America.

If you right-wing idiots were alive during Hitler you would have voted for him, he fits your views to a T (Fascist capitalism, illogical and nonsensical hatred, uneducated patriotism, mindless propoganda, are all views you support).

This has happened in America and it has happened in France, this is a total non-issue.

#121:

Fuck off, ****.

"#121:

Fuck off, ****.
"

Yeah that's real intelligent. First of all, I'm a guy, usually that slang term is reserved for women.

Second, your pathetic slogans here at "little green footballs" (you're probably the founder) are just as dumb (and as bad) as the photos above.

Clearly there are nothing but morons on this site.

#121 National Socialist

This has happened in America and it has happened in France, this is a total non-issue.

"Move along, nothing to see here folks..."

First of all, I'm a guy

Bitch.

"#121 National Socialist

This has happened in America and it has happened in France, this is a total non-issue.

"Move along, nothing to see here folks..."
"

Yes, I'm sure with the fascist presence of Republicans it has happened more in America than it has in France.

Republicans absolutely love Adolf Hitler.

Anyway, as for "National Socialist" you clearly are an uneducated hick. At the start of the twentieth century in Europe there were two forms of socialists, a left one and a right one. The left were peaceful, while the rightists were violent capitalists.

The right-wing use of the term "socialist" is best explained by George Lincoln Rockwell, but basically they believe in a capitalist/fascist, and authoritiarian platform.

Kind of how Republicans believe in pitting corporations that are more friendly to the fascist american state against smaller businesses by giving them an unfair advatage, such as corporate welfare, hand-outs, wars for profit, and so on. Republicans are also bought and paid for by corporations.

If Hitler was alive today, he'd vote Republican. It's also true that Republicans had banking interests with the Nazi's, actually, this was George W. Bush's grandfather.

And republicans Hate jews on a level that is comparable with Hitler. They support Israel only to send jews over there at all once so they die when armageddon comes.

Republican racism against jews and muslims should not be tolerated.

#126

Here's what the French, cocktail waiters to the Nazi's do for a living.

I am dying to see one shred of evidence to back up any of the litany of bullshit you recently spewed...

"Fuck the Jews. They don't vote for us anyway."

--Republican James Baker

"Jews controlled the media."

--Richard Nixon (Republican)

"You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards
that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the
Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob? What is the matter
with them? I suppose it is because most of them
are psychiatrists."

--Republican Richard Nixon

May 26, 1971
White House Tapes Released 3-2002

#127

And here, here, here, here, here, and here.

For starters.

Why is it that these fool think "racism" is the highest form of insult, yet don't even know that 'muslim' isn't a race? Sad really.

128 Socialist

Wow.

2 people. One of whom is now dead. Very impressive.

Or not.

From the left side of the spectrum...

Here, here, here, and here.

And BTW, I love your nic...

We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

Was this statement said by:

a) Karl Marx
b) Vladimir Lenin
c) Fidel Castro
d) Adolf Hitler

And if you're looking for more recent views by the Democrats...:

James Moran, Democratic congressman from Va.:

If it were not for the strong support of the Jewish community for this war with Iraq, we would not be doing this. The leaders of the Jewish community are influential enough that they could change the direction of where this is going, and I think they should."

Source

"You f*cking Jew b@stard." -- Hillary Clinton to political operative Paul Fray. This was revealed in "State of a Union: Inside the Complex Marriage of Bill and Hillary Clinton" and has been verified by Paul Fray and three witnesses.

Or this:

"The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man. He rose Germany up from the ashes." -- Louis Farrakhan (1984) who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002

Or this:

'Hymies.' 'Hymietown.' -- Jesse Jackson's description of New York City while on the 1984 presidential campaign trail.

Or this:

"Jews — that's J-E-W-S." -- Democratic state representative Bill McKinney on why his daughter Cynthia lost in 2002

Source

And Al Sharpton? Don't get me started.

Jaffar (#127)

I've never seen that before. Thanks for the link.

#133 zulubaby

Not a problem. I think the poor child got scared away, and is currently seeking solace in his a)gravity bong or b)Noam Chomsky for Dummies Reader.

Night minions!

Grand Vizier, Nice combinations and good foot work, but I think you could hammer this twat with a clue-by-four all night and have not to show for it but sore muscles.

The French are a muslim nation now. They have been our enemy for the better part of 50 years. Their conversion to Islam only makes it worse.

Treat France like the enemy they are.

Jaffar, great posts! Sleep tight.

#128 Socialist,

Who was it that RECENTLY called Israel "that shitty little country"?

KMAAD.

Psycobarb: Read your posts quickly. Agree with alot. But Antisememtism is on BOTH sides of the aisle. { and getting more and more} Thats whats so totally and completely SHAMEFUL. Personally, I dont know where to go..who to vote for..what to do. One side, I run into Jesse Jackson and Jim Moran, and the other side, I run into Jim Baker and Sununu and Norquist. Its about time we started talking to the AMERICAN GOVNT as well about the creeping rise in Antisememtism. Cause if we dont..all that we see in Europe is about to come HERE. We have to head this off at the "pass".

Now about Europe..they had their chance to CHOOSE wether they would or would NOT repeat their engrained hatred of Jews. Could they, would they STOP this crap at long last. They CHOSE..to continue to trash Jews but to cover it this time with SYMPATHY for the Pals in the Arab/Israeli Issue. WHO was kidding WHO there? More things change..more they remain THE F**ING SAME.

For those that THINK that the story of the Holocaust and who participated in it in a MAJOR WAY has been told..THINK AGAIN!!! The Jews only went into the APPROVED areas. We were most definately sent a message that it wouldnt be looked on favorabely by our Govnt IF we went after "friends" of the US. Even tho those "friends" werent very friendly to Jews. In fact...there are witnesses that could tell you that SOME of these people were WORSE than the Germans.

There is a story to be told about ALOT OF COUNTRIES. and what they did and didnt do in the 30s and 40s...and we are gonna tell it. So those who want to deny: get your excuses ready cause sooner or later the WHOLE of the experience will be told..YES...COUNT ON IT..

The Longest Hatred..is a Book and a Special on PBS. Think they sell both the book and the video on Amazon. A good place to start..on the HUGE issue ...The LOONGGEST...Hatred. It tells some of the story.

Jaffer wrote:

"Wow.

2 people. One of whom is now dead. Very impressive."

There are plenty of other examples of Republicans making anti-semetic comments, including President George W. Bush who said that Jews will "go to hell", I've got the sources, if you want to see them.

I was making the point that Anti-Semitism can pop up anywhere, and it is not reflective of either (A) the group or (B) the national, usually.

Jaffer Wrote:
"From the left side of the spectrum...

Here, here, here, and here."

[A note from Socialist: the above links were edited out, see source above.]

All of those articles are the opinions of rightists who are charging the left with "Anti-semitism". I need to explain a few things here.

First of all, criticism of Israel, even calling for the destruction of it, is not anti-semitism, though the politically correct right says that it is. Their rhetoric will not be tolerated. I mean, there is nothing wrong with being against the state of Israel, and good people from both sides can intelligently and rationally debate the issue. However, using ad-hominems such as "anti-semite" directed towards someone because of their disagreement with the zionist state is asinine.

That's just like saying someone's "anti-Italian" if an anarchist called for the destruction of the awful dictator Mussolini, and the Italian state, even though he may very well have loved the Italian people and believed in the destruction of such states world wide.

There are plenty of reasons to criticize Israel. Their policy of dividing races, their policies of only allowing jews into the country, their (clearly) Zionist friendly government, their crimes against palestinians, knocking down houses and killing civilians, and so on.

Second, racism is rightist theory. That's a political fact. If a leftist is racist and believes in using the government to enforce that opinion, that's an area where he is a rightist, or has the opinion of the rightist.

Jaffer wrote:

"And BTW, I love your nic...

We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

Was this statement said by:

a) Karl Marx
b) Vladimir Lenin
c) Fidel Castro
d) Adolf Hitler "

You got that from the article off of CSmonitor. First of all, Hitler was only trying to get working class support and make sure that corporations knew that the German people were above "corporations", which is a right-wing belief. They believed that race should come before corporate dominance.

It's funny republicans, who obviously worship corporations, think that any criticism of them is left-wing.

It's no surprise republicans like them though, considering they are fascist top to bottom systems that were created by state charters that take a huge government to run them. But many rightists, including libertarians, who usually prostrate themselves and worship the corporations as gods and only have "corporate morals" like Ayn Rand, have criticized corproations for coddling with the state and some rightists have criticized corporations for not coddling with the state enough.

Hitler also said that he didn't have a "right" to take away what a "man has earned".

I guess them we could associate that quote with libertarians, by republican logic, that is.

Finally, there isn't any credible reference to Hillary Clinton saying that. But if there is, sometimes Democrats act like Republicans, that's why I completely dislike them. They have passed NAFTA and are only interested in the beliefs of their rich millionaire and billionaire friends. They are interested in hearing the views of corporate PACs and friends at lavish cocktail parties and so on. They have clearly moved to the right.

Jaffer wrote:

"#133 zulubaby

Not a problem. I think the poor child got scared away, and is currently seeking solace in his a)gravity bong or b)Noam Chomsky for Dummies Reader.

Night minions! "

Well, I read Noam Chomsky for lingustics. I believe in his theory of generative grammar. I think that all languages have the same fundamental principles, but with slight difference of course. So basically all languages, at the fudamental level, are the same. I think this is proven by sentece structure. I would ellaborate more, but I am just starting lingustics.

Also, in Computer Science "Chomsky Hiearchy" is taught, because he has made seminal contributions to computer languages.

And his politics are good, too. He criticizes Capitalism, State Socialism, etc., and believes in something of an "anarcho-socialist" or "anarcho-syndicalist" system, this way people wouldn't be forced to work and would mostly receive 'according to their need'.

Nice try, but I haven't "ran away". There's a lot of rightist ignorance here, so I'll be staying for a while.

Its too late for me to HIZZY FIT now..but now that I think of it.."You people are worse Antisemites than My People are" ... IS PATHETIC..dont you think?

Finger pointing..nya nya...nya nya...YOU are the real Antismeites...with so and so... as an example..And there are examples on BOTH sides.

Geeezzz...

Socialist says:

First of all, criticism of Israel, even calling for the destruction of it, is not anti-semitism, though the politically correct right says that it is.

Point made. Thanks for playing.

Socialist (#143),

All of those articles are the opinions of rightists who are charging the left with "Anti-semitism". I need to explain a few things here.

First of all, criticism of Israel, even calling for the destruction of it, is not anti-semitism, though the politically correct right says that it is. Their rhetoric will not be tolerated. I mean, there is nothing wrong with being against the state of Israel, and good people from both sides can intelligently and rationally debate the issue. However, using ad-hominems such as "anti-semite" directed towards someone because of their disagreement with the zionist state is asinine.

Well you defined what "anti-Semitism" isn't, then you should be well equipped to tell us what anti-Semitism is.

There are plenty of other examples of Republicans making anti-semetic [sic] comments, including President George W. Bush who said that Jews will "go to hell", I've got the sources, if you want to see them.

Do you really? Well shoot, go ahead and give them to us, if you do have them, as you claim.

Socialist

This has all been an amusing parlor game (the digging up of quotes left and right), but I'm less interested in what other have said than in what you yourself think. Would you care to clarify your statement I quoted in post 145?

their (clearly) Zionist friendly government

The goverment of the Jewish state is... wait for it... Zionist!!! And not in any clandestine way, but clearly so! The horror! The Horror!!

Do you even know what Zionism stands for, imbecile?

believes in something of an "anarcho-socialist" or "anarcho-syndicalist" system, this way people wouldn't be forced to work and would mostly receive 'according to their need'.

And then a miracle occurs...

You mean I won't be forced to work, and people just give me stuff? Dude! That totally fucking rocks!

This is quite disgusting.

I don't have time to read through all of the posts- Who did this? Dirtbags.

I hope our Jewish brethren in France will consider moving over here to America. I would welcome that.

(We do take anti-Semitism
seriously over here.)

If a leftist is racist and believes in using the government to enforce that opinion, that's an area where he is a rightist, or has the opinion of the rightist.

"Not my fault! They made me do it!"

We know that being a Mulsim means never having to say you're sorry. Evidently, so does being a leftist.

GOOD PEOPLE dont support MUDERERERS..with a RECORD of Antisememtism a mile long. Ten miles long..HUNDREDS of miles long.

And We get to say what threatens us...and we DEFINE what it is that threatens us.

The Mufti of Jerusalem, relative of Yassar Arafat, spent much of WW2 as a guest of HITLER and promised Hitler he'd be willing to "finish the job". Thats what theve been trying to do to Jews by going after Israelis..So whats new and whats different? NOTHIN.

The ONLY peoople that EVER made a real Country in the area of Israel and kept coming back to REBUILD that country were...tha..Jooos. All those "ites" of the Bible are GONE. THEY gave up. WE didnt. WE are the only ites left and this is our HISTORIC COUNTRY. We have proof in the Literature, proof in the Ground and proof in the DNA. The other side..BUBKAS on all counts.

Geeper wrote:

"Why is it that these fool think "racism" is the highest form of insult, yet don't even know that 'muslim' isn't a race? Sad really. "

Hmmm. Interesting point, Geeper. While it is true Muslim is a religion, it is also true that conservatives, usually, when slandering them are actually targeting people of middle eastern dissent. Even though a white person could indeed by a Muslim. For instance, "sand ni(g)ger", a common conservative saying, pretty much refers to muslims with brown skin.

I'm here to prove the point that France as a nation is not racist, nor are the majority of French people. I mean, it's much worse to hate a nation of people, like how the Muslims hate the US, than it is to hate a race, in my opnion. For when you hate a nation, you are hating all races from that nation, simply because they are "born" there. This is even more ridiculous than the idea that different races are "less intelligent" and have "vastly" different traits.

Back on your orginal point, you said "muslims aren't a race".

At the same time, the "Jewish" people, zionists and so fourth, are not a race of people.

There is no "nordic" or "Aryan" race as well. The long-headed, tall, blue-eyed, blond type of individual may be found in many parts of the world, but rarely combining all the traits of the Noric type.

There is no "Jewish" race in any biological sense. Of all the peoples of the world, this latter group is one of the most mixed biologically. So-called Jewish traits are not inborn, but are rather culturally acquired through the impact of social forces.

Try a model for your arguments, next time.

"Night minions! "

Jaffer I thought you were going night, night? I guess your fragile ego made you have to check in to make sure you weren't losing too badly in debate.

I mean, it's much worse to hate a nation of people, like how the Muslims hate the US, than it is to hate a race, in my opnion.

Like you hate Israel?

#155 Socialist

LOL! Insomnia, but nice try. Care to respond to #147?

"Socialist" is the other night's "sheep herder", with slighlty better grasp of grammar -- but not of reality.

First of all, criticism of Israel, even calling for the destruction of it, is not anti-semitism, though the politically correct right says that it is.

There is legitimate criticism of Israel, and not all of it is anti-semitic. However, such criticism tends to get drowned out by stuff like this. Many of these cartoons, as well as plenty of the written commentary that accompanies them, would not have been out of place in the 1930s. When these cartoonists depict Sharon with an exaggerated hooked nose that he doesn't have, as they are wont to do, I daresay that crosses the line separating anti-semitism from legitimate criticism of a country's leader.

#158 Q

with slighlty better grasp of grammar

Heh. He has yet to get all of our nics right. "Jaffer" and "Geeper"

#143 Socialist

There are plenty of reasons to criticize Israel. Their policy of dividing races, their policies of only allowing jews into the country, their (clearly) Zionist friendly government, their crimes against palestinians, knocking down houses and killing civilians, and so on.

One is forced to consider your motivations in writing the above. If they were clearly your distaste for "racist" policies, social iniquities, and the unjust killing of civilians, why would you choose to focus on Israel (or do you prefer "the Zionist state)?

Examining the human rights situation in the region, one can very quickly conclude, if one examines all the available facts, that Israel is perhaps the least racist country in the area.

Expert on Middle Eastern affairs as I assume you are, perhaps you could enlighten us poor unedumacated neo-con types how much better life is for diverse peoples in Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Egypt, to name just a few. Give us some examples where Jews in these countries are serving in a representative government, as Arabs are serving in Israel's knesset. Elucidate for us, how these nations, compared to Israel, are models for religious freedom and toleration.

Since you have told us you are not a woman, perhaps you might give us a fair appraisal of the rights of women in Israel, as opposed to the nations surrounding it.

The way I see it, you make a show of alleged violations by Israel, ignoring the much greater human rights atrocities which are occurring all around her, North South and East, because Israel sticks in your craw for some unknown(?) reason.

I find it odd, as Israel was such as bastion of socialism, especially so in the early years, with its many kibbutzim. Of course, economic realities set in and Israel found a capitalist system was far more productive, which in turn fostered a decline in the kibbutz.

What is it about Israel that makes you so hypercritical. When Islamist Racists seek to purge entire nations of
kuffars, there is nary a peep from the leftist community. All quiet on the Sudanese issue, and the carnage there makes the Israeli-Palestinian problem look like a schoolyard fight.

Given a choice between fighting the greater evils of Islamo-fascism and the natural right of Israel to protect its security from within and from without, it seems the left always chooses the latter.

Has Israel killed civilians? Certainly. Have they done so intentionally? Clearly, and again, according to all available evidence--no! When Israel runs a security operation, when she could easily lob a 1000 kilo bomb on a building to remove a terrorist threat, they choose to send in infantry instead, risking their lives to protect civilians.

You want to talk about killing civilians? Does it not disturb you that Arabs specifically target Israeli civilians for murder? Or is every city bus, cafe, pizzeria and disco in Israel jam packed with IDF personnel?

Where is your ire?

You show your cards, friend. It is true one can intelligently debate Israeli policy, but I believe it is safe to say that when one uses terms like "Zionist State," that person is expressing anti-semitism. When one complains about the "racism" of allowing only Jews to emigrate into what was created by design, by the International Community (League of Nations), to be a Jewish state, he knows that given demographic realities, Jews would become a minority and being a democratic nation, lose control over their homeland.

Knowing that the resulting Palestinian ruled state would result would not be a democratic one, one which would likely fall under the hegemony of Islamists in due time, you wind up being in a position where you are supporting the establishment of yet another state in which human rights violations would follow the pattern of other nations in the area--where minorities of color, minority religions and women will unquestionably suffer, tells me that human rights are the last thing you care about.

You are a sham sir, and a poorly disguised one at that.

And besides, Socialist, why worry about Chomsky, when you can just use the Postmodernism Generator for all you inane postcapitalisticmultigenderedpreconstructivistnewp aradigm needs?

;-)

Just keep hitting your browser's refresh button: a new pearl of wisdom every time!

First of all, criticism of Israel, even calling for the destruction of it, is not anti-semitism, though the politically correct right says that it is.

You know, the more I read that one line, the more I am in disbelief. What sort of doublespeak nonsense is this, and can a rational mind even entertain for a mere moment that there is anything more to this statement beyond its obvious contradiction?

Never mind the slick little reference to "political correctness" being a rightist phenomenon...

Let's re word this:

First of all, criticism of France, even calling for the destruction of it, is not anti-Gallic.

First of all, criticism of Mecca, even calling for the destruction of it, is not anti-Islamic.

Maybe, just for kicks, we look at whether or not he is referring to anti-semitism as a general prejuduce against all "semitic peoples" which of course include arabs.

Suggest we re-word this, streamline it, take the nice words out and distill it down to its essence:

Calling for the destruction of Israel, is not jew-hatred.

That what you're trying to say, Socialist? Expository, please!

Check out this extra photo from the scene of the crime: German flag and Nazi slogans. This convinces me that #43 kid charlemagne and #54 fugio are right: this was not the work of Muslims. (That's a change!) There's just too much subtle and sophisticated German and Aryan iconography for it to be anything other than actual honest-to-Adolf neo-Nazis. Yes, they do exist alongside their fellow Jew-hating Muslims. I've been to this area of France (as close as 10 miles from this cemetery!) and even in this modern era there are still people there who speak German and Alsatian as their day-to-day language. This area was in fact part of Germany prior to WWI. I'm positive this was the work of either a. Nazi-sympathizing French citizens who wished they were back being part of the Reich; or b. German neo-Nazis who scampered across the border to "reclaim" some lost territory. (My money is on "b.") I know that Muslims are in fact responsible for 95% of the anti-Semitic attacks in France; it just looks like this is part of that other 5%. Not that this fact makes it any less infuriating.

#154 Socialist

There is no "nordic" or "Aryan" race as well. The long-headed, tall, blue-eyed, blond type of individual may be found in many parts of the world, but rarely combining all the traits of the Noric type.

There is no "Jewish" race in any biological sense. Of all the peoples of the world, this latter group is one of the most mixed biologically. So-called Jewish traits are not inborn, but are rather culturally acquired through the impact of social forces.

Man oh man have you been brainwashed by your professors. You're like a perfectly trained parrot. So -- blue-eyed blond people can be found (native to) "many parts of the world"? Really? Name one aside from Northern Europe. Every example you can come up with can be explained by ancient or modern migrations or colonization. Blue-eyed North Africans? Visigoths (a Nordic tribe) settled there in the early medieval period. Normans in Northern Italy, etc. Of course, "Nordic" people aren't a separate race, but they are most definitely a distinct type native to a specific area. I know it's been drummed into your incurious head the post-modern canard that there's "no such thing as race," that race is just a cultural construct, but it's time for you to WAKE UP, dingleberry. Stand a Korean next to a Cameroonian next to a Norwegian next to a Samoan, and tell me there's no such thing as race. And that races have definable, measurable, physical differences. And yes, (horror of horrors!) psychological and mental differences. Evolution is an unstoppable force of nature, and it works inexorably. And not all Jewish traits and "culturally acquired," as you state so assuredly. Some are, in fact, in-born (or, as we like to say, "genetically determined"). This has beeen demonstrated repeatedly and irrefutably by many studies, particularly with twins and adoption. Fact is, like it or not, Jews are smarter than the average Homo Sapiens Sapiens. Regardless of their cultural upbringing. Jewish babies adopted at birth by uneducated WASPs tend to grow up and have high IQs. Average Jewish IQ is 115, INCLUDING Jews who were raised in non-Jewish households and environments. Jews may not be a "race," but they (or a least a vast majority of them) have evolved into a distinct biological sub-group -- a group whose defining characteristics are mental in nature, rather than strictly physical.

Look, Socialist, you know in your heart of hearts that races exist, that they have differences, and that you are regurgitating the PC dogshit smeared on your cortex by your dishonest professors. Can we get at last a smidgen of intellectual honesty around here?

#80 David 'Parisian Insider'

They are afraid to tackle the antisemitism problem because it is so related to the Arab world nowadays. Should there be a revival of neo nazi antisemitism, everybody would be outraged and demonstrate. Europe is so ashamed of its behaviour during WW2 that it has a phobia of any kind of racism. Europeans live in the nightmare that what happened in the past, what it nurtured in its bosom, could recur. Europe is so afraid of its past xenophobic pulsions that it has desperately tried to turn them into blind 'xenophilia'.

I think there is a lot of truth in this, though it applies more to the European left than to Europeans as a whole. That said, of course, since WW2 the European left has grown so exponentially that it can reasonably be said to represent the views of the majority of Europeans - West Europeans, that is.

The point is that in Europe, for historical reasons that are not so hard to comprehend, to be anti-Nazi is the the only correct position. This is a consensus position that is shared throughout Western Europe as a whole. It is only challenged by the parties of the extreme right, such as Le Pen's National Front and the British National Party, which are currently trying to work together to establish a far-right presence in the European Parliament.

In Western Europe, while it is politically correct to be anti-Nazi, it is not politically correct to be anti-Arab, for the "xenophilic" reasons outlined in your post. And this is where the rationale of European political correctness breaks down, for it cannot handle or cope with the machinations of radical Islam, which exploits the presence of large Arab and Muslim populations in France, Britain and elsewhere in order to undermine and invalidate the postwar European consensus.

And thus we are confronted with the paradox of the presence in the streets of European cities of "anti-Nazi" demonstrators who are at the same time virtually antisemitic and actually pro-Palestinian. Sadly, even the newly formed British "Unite Against Fascism" movement - which is badly needed in view of the growing success of the far right in local and council elections in the U.K. - suffers from this deep internal contradiction. This is, in a sense, a victory for radical Islam.

First of all, criticism of Israel, even calling for the destruction of it, is not anti-semitism

No, of course not. Destroying the Jewish state which is composed mostly of Jews living on land they claim because of their Jewish beliefs...

How could that possibly be antisemitic?

#167 halldor
Thanks, at least you understand my post. ;-)

#120 Psychobarb
Sorry to say, but I think you missed my point completely. I was not apologizing for the European behaviour, I was explaining one aspect of WHY EUros are very reluctant to condemn Arab antisemitism and more generally the atrocities committed in the name of Allah in general. To be honest, it is reminiscent of what you can read in papers like the NYT, minus the underlying guilt about the Shoah. The leftist logic: the 'oppressed' cannot be oppressors.

LEFTISTS CAN AND OFTEN TURN INTO FASCISTS!

I perfectly agree with you. The left thrives on ideals and has never been to keen on admitting that these ideals can be contradicted by the bare reality. Hence its previous support for the USSR, the Viet Cong, Castro or Pol Pot. That is the incredible contradiction with the Left: it has supported many blood thirsty regimes in the name of freedom !!

Now concerning the anti American and anti Israeli position of Europe (which was absolutely not the subject of my post). Briefly, it is the result of:
- the revolting Euro Arab cooperation treaty started in the 70s (read Bat Yeor on the subject). This entails that Europe has to adopt the Arab view on the US and Israel. Kinda, the enemies of my friends are my enemies.
- economic and geostrategic rivalry with the US. Deep jealousy mixed with a complex of superiority (older history, self proclaimed superiority in terms of culture, refinement, etc...) against the US
- the aforementioned leftist logic (which pervades a much greater part of the European population than it does in the US) which considers the Arabs as 'humiliated', 'oppressed' etc...thus views countries (Israel, the US) resisting them as colonialist oppressors.
- and yes, some dose of sheer (and usually unavowed) antisemitism. You can't erase more than a millenium of collective consciousness. Antisemitism is the chronic disease of Europe.

#117 zulubaby
No, I am a real Parisian. Thanks for the compliment. I learned English in England.

Folks:

Don't waste energy on Socialist, I think I read one of his posts where he was trying to justify one of Hitler's speechs. ("He wasn't really a socialist he just said that to appeal to the working man, blah blah)

Nuf said.

An excellent source on anti-Semitism is the website:
[Link: www.conceptwizards.com...]

Forceful stuff.

#169 David 'Parisian Insider'

the aforementioned leftist logic (which pervades a much greater part of the European population than it does in the US) which considers the Arabs as 'humiliated', 'oppressed' etc...thus views countries (Israel, the US) resisting them as colonialist oppressors.

In Finkielkraut's words: "Au nom de la lutte contre le fascisme et le racisme, au nom de la défense de l'autre, de l'opprimé, de la victime, l'antisémitisme musulman est toléré et accepté. Les juifs ne sont plus attaqués en raison de leur identité, mais comme des oppresseurs, des ennemis de l'humanité, les nazis d'aujourd'hui."

David Parisien Insider:

First of all, let me tell you I appreciate this thread. However, explaining Euorpean behavior doesn't make it more rationale or less immoral. It seem to me, 'Eurothink' reasoning goes like this; "Mein Kamp written in German is anti-Semitism, but Mein Kamp written in Arabic is political."

You gotta admit, this is total crap and barely tenable. And again, I think Europeans should be examining this en masse. I don't think the reason Europeans have a hard time acknowledging Arab atrocities is because they have turned xenophobia into xenophilia. It think it is because they have tremendous unresloved guilt about their colonial past and attribute every move of the US and Israel similarly, as if we are the colonial oppressors Europeans were. It's called reaction formation. Whatever is left of European "culture" barely hides this knee-jerk reaction certainly doesn't make up for its moral vacuousness. In addition, and I think you mentioned to this, the Europeans are tied and hogged to Arab oil and business and they are loathe to give this up. Yet the European 'street,' if you will, would have us believe its the Americans who are in Iraq for oil, again, a clever manipulation.

Tell me, did you feel chilled seeing five million Spaniards marching with their hands up, as I did? Did Europeans get the symbolism of this, the marching, lock stock and goosestep together? Am I to believe there is no diversity of opinion about the war of terror? This was odd and a bit frightening to see. Again, Europe doesn't seem to learn the lessons of history and I am afraid that no amount of culture of sense of superiority will save Europe from itself. You better pray it will be US weapons, again.

"France has suffered a wave of violence against Jewish schools, synagogues and cemeteries that coincided with new fighting in the Middle East."

kind of says it all. look where wolfowitz, feith, perle and the rest of the neo-con cabal in concert with sharon are leading.

not sure i'd want to go there.

#172 Psychobarb

It seem to me, 'Eurothink' reasoning goes like this; "Mein Kamp written in German is anti-Semitism, but Mein Kamp written in Arabic is political."

The way I read what David has written in this thread, that's precisely the kind of Eurothink he is excoriating - like Finkielkraut in "Au nom de l'autre", his aim is to show how this type of thinking has evolved in Europe since WW2. I think you misunderstand him.

#173 A.K.

And your point is?

Halldor:

Excoriating in one thing, doing something about it is another. It's not enough to say we don't want another Holocaust or more violence in our streets. Start a petition, lobby local politicians, show governmental officials this is not want French people want.

If David has done some of these things, I applaud him, it know it takes time and is not easy. If not, he might consider taking in a Jewish family if and when they threatened are with violence.

Peace to us all--

Socialist and his type want to LIMIT the use of the term
"Antisemetism" when it naturally and normally refers to the Hatred of Jews.

First: Hes thinking ahead...If Jews are limited by the Majority society in what Jews can label as Antisemetic, later when an antisememtic situation comes up, then IF not "approved" by the Majority Soceity..poof...No Antisememtism here. Is 300? Antisememtic incidents in a year in France truly Antisememtic bahavior? Does 300 incidents in France qualify labeling France, an Antisememtic Country? Course not..cause 300 isnt the APPROVED # of incidents that make the "cut". (France decides the # ---along with ARABISTS around the world) **The approved incidents will ALWAYS be higher than what actually happened..Course then if Jews complain..THEY are RACIST..THEY are labeling...And for shame on us. Ah hmmm.

Second: If you cant NAME A THING...If you cant refer to it in the seriousness of what it is --THEN you cannot take steps to FIX it. Make SURE Jews cant name something antisememtic. And of course if by chance there are Antismemtic incidents...then it is ALL understandable cause the CABAL in the US made up of Joooss..and is responsible for whats happening and so it is NOT pure antisememtism. Antisememtism.. is excusable cause its the Jews fault and then again--ALL GONE..no pure Antisememtism.

Summary: 1. The # of Antismemtic Incidents is questionalbe and if it is a definate # proven..that # ISNT enough to call it Antisememtism. Other than Jews define Antisememtism and other than Jews will say IF the # is proven and enough to be a "problem".
2. This isnt Antismemtism anyway..it is the normal natural reaction to the Jewish World Wide Cabal and THEIR behavior.

Third: It is IMPERATIVE to make the Islamic World a parallel MINORITY TYPE group.(Parallel to the Jews) How you do this with ohhh...1.2? or 1.5 BILLION people.?.I have NO idea in the world. How you do this and pretend that this group of people are in ANY way at risk with their Billion and their 23...(thaz TWENTY-THREE) Countries...I have no idea EITHER. Is Islam a
Minority? that is in need of CIVIL RIGHTS protections? ***YOU MUST BE KIDDING***

Its STILL David and Goliath..Heres the breakdown: 6 or 7 million Jews in Israel and 12-14 Million Jews world wide vs. 1 .2 or 1.7 BILLION Islam...ONE teensy weensy country vs. 23-26? or more Countries..and ALL of Europes support???

ISRAEL is DAVID..just like before, just like always.