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Got Four in Japan

Tue, May 25, 2004 at 9:13:28 pm PDT

Japan Arrests Four in Al Qaeda-Linked Probe.

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japanese police arrested four foreigners on Wednesday in a widening probe into suspected al Qaeda activities in the country. The government’s top spokesman said he hoped the police action would yield clues about the activities of Lionel Dumont, a French national of Algerian descent who was arrested in Germany last December and had spent over a year in Japan until September.

“We have information that an al Qaeda-linked individual...had contacts with various people in the country and was engaged in certain activities. I hope that the details will be revealed,” Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroyuki Hosoda told a news conference.

Police searched 10 locations on Wednesday following reports last week that Dumont, who has been linked to the al Qaeda network, had lived in Japan for several months after entering the country on a false passport in 2002.

“What is important for our nation’s security is that we prevent an international terrorist organization from operating,” Hosoda said.

Dumont was believed to have been involved in delivering equipment and funds to al Qaeda during his stay in Japan, media reports have said.

Wednesday’s investigation involved individuals with connections to Dumont, including a Bangladeshi man who police suspect has links to an Islamic group in Pakistan seeking independence for the Kashmir region, Japanese media said.

Police said they had arrested an Indian, a Malian and two Bangladeshis for violating immigration laws. Referring to the Indian, a police official said: “We are aware of reports about his links to the French person and will try to find more about it through our investigation.”

Television footage showed police officials at various buildings, including what were described as the homes of foreign Muslims and the office of a used car sales firm run by one of them.

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1 andthenblammo!  5/25/04 7:15:09 pm reply quote

Will I be a odious Neanderthal if I point out that yet another Algerian has been arrested for terrorist activities? I will? Yay!

2 zulubaby  5/25/04 7:15:13 pm reply quote

They're everywhere.

3 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  5/25/04 7:16:18 pm reply quote

Whooo way to go Japan.

My wife will be happy about this.

4 Paul  5/25/04 7:18:25 pm reply quote

#2 zulubaby

Yeah, they're everywhere, like cockroaches and other vermin. We need a good bug bomb.

5 FH  5/25/04 7:22:42 pm reply quote

#2 zulubaby

p>

They're everywhere.

Yes they are. They are like a virus, that is infecting the world body. If we don't stop the spread of infection soon, we may be forced to use radiation treatment.

6 Gary Bruce  5/25/04 7:23:04 pm reply quote

What's more, US officials are now saying we're very likely to be attacked by AQ this summer with a bio-chem-radiological weapon. Ashcroft is having a news conference about it tomorrow.

It looks like the war is about to be taken to the next stage.

7 DB  5/25/04 7:23:53 pm reply quote

#4 Paul,

Yeah, they're everywhere, like cockroaches and other vermin. We need a good bug bomb

I agree. We need to get them before they can attack us. The sooner the better.

8 mbruce  5/25/04 7:26:36 pm reply quote

Shields up!Borgs everywhere.

9 LtTw  5/25/04 7:30:46 pm reply quote

#6 Gary Bruce 5/25/2004 09:23PM PST
What's more, US officials are now saying we're very likely to be attacked by AQ this summer with a bio-chem-radiological weapon.

Wonder if today in Vancouver was a practice run?

I linked to that
here and linked to phosphene here.

10 Baldy  5/25/04 7:30:51 pm reply quote

Good for Japan.

11 transferthem  5/25/04 7:31:50 pm reply quote

Bacterius muslimus.

Treatment? I'll let you guess.......

12 Rayra  5/25/04 7:34:41 pm reply quote

Stoopid jihadis. I cannot think of a more homogenous genetic / racial culture to try to 'lay low' in than Japan's.

They may adore American 'culture', but non-Japanese are ALL 'Gai-jin' (in a perjorative sense).
I have a long-time friend who works as an advance-man for international 'theme' construction projects (think Disney-eque / WB store), who spent a year in Japan, and he was full of 'Gai-jin' anecdotes. Said he was treated like a leper nearly everywhere he went.
I lived there briefly as a young child 30++ yrs ago when my USN father was assigned to the Embassy, so my personal memories are very limited, but both my parents have similar anecdotes.

/tangential info

14 JimmyTheClaw  5/25/04 7:51:09 pm reply quote

Television footage showed police officials at various buildings, including what were described as the homes of foreign Muslims and the office of a used car sales firm run by one of them.

what? check the mosque!!! i scream while slaping someone in the back of the head.

15 Baldy  5/25/04 7:51:53 pm reply quote

#12 Rayra - I have heard similar things for years too.

16 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  5/25/04 7:56:36 pm reply quote

#12

yes, the japanese are very racist. just ask the koreans and chinese.

I had the same instant thought--that the algerian was a retard for trying to infiltrate Japan! sheesh

17 AU  5/25/04 7:57:42 pm reply quote

"Wednesday’s investigation involved individuals with connections to Dumont, including a Bangladeshi man"

Bangladeshi man.

I guess they want a continous muslim country from Pakistan to Bangladesh.

Bangis are pretty voilent, brutal folk too...ask the Hindus who live there.

How many people died when the Bangis got independence?

18 Mr. E. Train  5/25/04 7:58:31 pm reply quote

John Balushe is... SAMURAI TERRORIST HUNTER !! KIIIii yyyyAAAAAAA!

19 AU  5/25/04 8:01:39 pm reply quote

#4 Paul

To prepare for the vermin invasion you might want to look into this web site:

[Link: www.epestsupply.com...]

nothing like being prepared.

Will the gel work at the local mosque?

20 Spiny Norman  5/25/04 8:03:39 pm reply quote

#17 AU

How many people died when the Bangis got independence?

Two million, IIRC...

21 AU  5/25/04 8:04:43 pm reply quote

#20
Spiny...

What is IIRC?

Sorry.

22 Paul Danish  5/25/04 8:08:58 pm reply quote

The fact that one of the suspects ran a used car business is interesting. I seem to recall that used Japanese trucks were a common form of transportation in Afghanistan (and, therefore, one suspects, elsewhere in the Middle East.) If the company is an used auto export business, it may also serve as a cover for a smuggling business -- perhaps moving chemicals useful in the manufacture of poison gas and explosives. It would be particularly interesting to know if it sold vehicles to, say, Iran.

While there isn't much demand for used right-hand streering wheel Japanese trucks in the U.S., there could well be a demand for used Japanese auto parts, a business which also could serve as a smuggling cover.

The broader truth is that, this particular business aside, the discovery of al-Qaida in Japan raises the possibility that the point of the exercise isn't to mount an attack in Japan, but to try to infiltrate the U.S. from an unexpected direction. I think it would be very unwise to ignore that possibility.

23 AU  5/25/04 8:09:18 pm reply quote

Here is a great pic of Arafat and his minions with young potential suicide bombers.

[Link: pested.unl.edu...]

24 Cornholio - Heh, it's still better than Windoze.  5/25/04 8:10:24 pm reply quote

Here's hoping the Japanese know to make the terrorists wear frilly underwear and even scare 'em with barking dogs.

25 au  5/25/04 8:12:19 pm reply quote

#22 Paul Danish

Certainly true. When the terrorist infiltrate the USA they are not going to fly direct from Saudi Arabia...and their equipment and materials of destruction will also get here in a round-about way.

clearly

26 zulubaby  5/25/04 8:12:52 pm reply quote

Paul, FH, for some reason the last place I expected the al-Qaeda bastards to show up in was Japan. Really, nowhere is safe anymore. It's sickening.

27 AU  5/25/04 8:14:12 pm reply quote

#24

Yep. Its good to know that we can make them talk by exposing their little winnies to a woman and by putting vicotria secret undies on top of their heads....at least we are a step ahead. We know what makes the cucas talk and wiggle!

28 AU  5/25/04 8:15:47 pm reply quote

#26 Zulubaby

They are also in South America in the Triangle area. And Argentina is FULL of Arabians. They get along with the Nazis that live there.

29 AU  5/25/04 8:19:32 pm reply quote

They also operate there (south america, triangle border area) to sell and move drugs.

On a recent article (and a threat here at LGF) in the LA TIMES a high ranking Spanish official showed 'surprise' that the moonbats sold hashish to raise funds for terrorist activities....the 'surprise' part is a joke. The moonbats have been selling and moving narcotics for more than twenty years to raise funds for terror. What do you think they grow in the bekka valley...tomotoes? Its Hizzbola's best money maker: Hashish grown in the bekka valley.

30 Rayra  5/25/04 8:38:37 pm reply quote
#21 AU 5/25/2004 10:04PM PST
What is IIRC?

If I Recall Correctly

31 Andjam  5/25/04 8:40:02 pm reply quote

#12 Rayra:

Stoopid jihadis. I cannot think of a more homogenous genetic / racial culture to try to 'lay low' in than Japan's.

My thoughts too.

OT: I heard Eminem's Come on in. Part of the lyrics features the word holocaust (spelt "haluocaust" in the lyrics), and "arse whipped" (sounds a bit like a town in Poland).

32 Deogi  5/25/04 8:50:31 pm reply quote

Time to get out hte sword, sharpen it and see how many AQ's I can slice through.

Just a thought!

33 zombie  5/25/04 8:51:40 pm reply quote

Totally OT but relevant to LGF because it was right here that this guy's troubles began:

Hatem Bazian claims to have gotten 100,000 threatening emails after my video of his speech received massive coverage (thanks to LGF). On one hand, he really dug himself into this hole by saying what he did. On the other hand, my Web site featuring the videos is a strictly neutral reporting of facts, and I never intended to get people so riled up that they'd send death threats (as Bazian claims). So I do feel a little guilty, even though I have no connection to or responsibility for the millions of people who came to my Web site for a dose of reality. If some of those millions are adolescent knuckleheads who send death threats, I can only say this: please don't. It only makes the cause of liberty look stupid, and makes the other side revel in their victim status. Agitate to get Bazian fired, sure: but leave it at that.

34 zombie  5/25/04 8:59:09 pm reply quote

What the hell? That link worked perfectly in the preview. Let's try again:

Bazian article.

35 Flakbait  5/25/04 9:02:58 pm reply quote

Go Japan, rooting out those nasty gaijin.

Now as part of the interrogation they're going to force the detainees to watch Akira and Neon Genesis Evangelion until they spill the beans.

36 patrickafir  5/25/04 9:16:10 pm reply quote

Domo arigato, Mr. Terrorist-root-out-o.

37 Beagle  5/25/04 9:27:29 pm reply quote

I think the Japanese justice system is capable of convicting terrorists and giving them hard time. The Europeans would probably like to soften it up if they weren't so busy hating the US.

38 SoCalJustice  5/25/04 9:43:30 pm reply quote

Fallujah Emerging As Islamic Mini-State

By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Writer

FALLUJAH, Iraq - With U.S. Marines gone and central government authority virtually nonexistent, Fallujah resembles an Islamic mini-state — anyone caught selling alcohol is flogged and paraded in the city. Men are encouraged to grow beards and barbers are warned against giving "Western" hair cuts.

After all the blood that was shed, and the lives that were lost, we shall only accept God's law in Fallujah," said cleric Abdul-Qader al-Aloussi, offering a glimpse of what a future Iraq may look like as the U.S.-led occupation draws to a close. "We must capitalize on our victory over the Americans and implement Islamic sharia laws."

The departure of the Marines under an agreement that ended the three-week siege last month has enabled hard-line Islamic leaders to assert their power in this once-restive city 30 miles west of Baghdad.

Some were active in defending the city against the Marines and have profited by a perception — both here and elsewhere in Iraq — that the mujahedeen, or Islamic holy warriors, defeated a superpower.

Lovely. We should go back in based on that sentiment alone.

39 Rayra  5/25/04 10:14:45 pm reply quote

NYT issues an apology for their last year's worth of Iraq coverage.
But it is NOT what you'd hope / think.

/disgust

40 JimmyTheClaw  5/25/04 10:22:22 pm reply quote

#33 zombie 5/25/2004 10:51PM PST
thanks gotta add to favorites and i'm compiling a few cd's with video and web pages

41 Andjam  5/25/04 10:28:52 pm reply quote

#38 SoCalJustice:

Thanks for the heads-up.

I did a bit of googling and came up with Saudi Mischief in Fallujah

Great. Not just Sunni supremacists that resent the removal of Saddam, but Wahhabists it seems. Al Qaeda will be in friendly territory there so long as the extremists run the city.

43 JWarrior  5/26/04 1:47:51 am reply quote

OT

Sky is reporting that a key lieutenant of Al Sadr has been arrested.

44 Sol Roth: Abu Meet Paul Tibbets  5/26/04 2:12:11 am reply quote

Some observations:

1. The Japanese are the still the most xenophobic and were the most intolerant nation on Earth.

2. Their corruption of Bushido with expansionism and nationalizm in the 1930's created the most brutal and ruthless nation-state of the 20th century.

3. The West had to attrit the Japanese population until it's military was no longer fungible with its general population. In other words, their culture clearly saw the end of its existence as a "variety" or subspecies of human beings.

4. After their near annihilation and subsequent submission to the Allied Powers, the Japanese were reformed into a capitalist nation that has been one of the greatest success stories of the 20th century.


How long before we cut to the chase and initiate #3 with the Islamic Virus?

45 JWarrior  5/26/04 2:13:21 am reply quote

#44

Yeah, but they make great sports cars!

46 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  5/26/04 2:53:54 am reply quote

38 SoCal

And what future have we consigned to Iraq after removing one tyrant and removing a source of terror at great cost? Relinquishing control of the transition to the U.N., a complete dismal failure, where al-q boasts in its Training Manual of Kidnapping:

In Bosnia, the UN set up an ambush for the Brothers during the exchange; however, the brothers were prepared for it, and prepared a counter-ambush. When the enemy(U.N.) realized that the brother’s readiness and high sense of alert, they let the hostages go without interception.

What joy it will bring to see Iraq descend once again into the depths of hell...a new and even stronger source of islamic terror.

/frigging disgusted

47 scaramouche  5/26/04 2:57:01 am reply quote

The mostly irrelevant Amnesty International releases a report that, once again, focuses on rights, not wrongs.

48 scaramouche  5/26/04 2:59:33 am reply quote

FBI says al Ciqaedas planning major attack in the U.S. this summer.

Hey, it worked in Spain.

49 'Nam Grunt  5/26/04 3:11:55 am reply quote

Just remember my often repeated words friends, "keep your eye on the ball" if they want to win against America and Israel, then I say come on let's get with it!

50 scaramouche  5/26/04 3:26:41 am reply quote

A plaintive and chilling article by Phyllis Chessler on the perils Jews face in today's hostile, hateful world:
[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

51 papijoe  5/26/04 3:28:55 am reply quote

OT Muslim Girl Scouts in MI celebrate taking the hijab
Islam chipping away at the foundations of our civilization

52 Colt  5/26/04 3:32:55 am reply quote

Photo: Terrorists use UN ambulance in Gaza.

53 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  5/26/04 3:41:31 am reply quote

Roche contact was '9-11 boss'

Australian terror suspect Jack Roche named his al-Qaeda contact in Pakistan as a man suspected of masterminding the September 11 attacks in the US.

Roche, on trial in Perth District Court for plotting to bomb the Israeli embassy in Canberra, said he met Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in Karachi, Pakistan in late March 2000.

54 papijoe  5/26/04 3:42:41 am reply quote

#50 scaramouche

After that thread about the French EU rep proposing giving nukes to the jihadis, I agree with no reservations. We are on the verge of a 21st Century Shoah.
What is incomprehensible is the apathy (and even complicity) of American Jews. In my non-blogosphere existence, I know more Gentile Zionists than Jewish Zionists!
People, talk to your friends and relatives. Explain to them that outside of their LLL circles, the people in the US (still the majority thank G-d) support Israel and the Jews!

55 'Nam Grunt  5/26/04 3:47:26 am reply quote

Personally I think of Israel as America's adopted daughter, and I for one will always stand beside her no matter what.

56 scaramouche  5/26/04 3:49:02 am reply quote

#54 papijoe

That's why when anyone I know slams the U.S. for supposed iniquities, I look that person in the say and say in a calm, clear voice, "America is the only thing standing between the Jews and oblivion." That usually turns off the spigot of anti-U.S. invective pretty fast.

57 scaramouche  5/26/04 3:50:29 am reply quote

Sorry, I look that person in the "eye". PIMF.

58 EE  5/26/04 3:57:40 am reply quote

Cheers to Japan.

In the resistance to global khilafist jihad, all kafirs are in the same boat. And the citizens of Japan would not be offered the dhimmi option either -- the only choice the radical Islamists will offer is death or conversion to the death-cult of radical Islamism.

Any victory of radical Islamists anywhere is a threat to freedom of religion and liberty and life everywhere. So cheers to Japan.

59 Ed Moran:Abu al Kahoul (for JJ)  5/26/04 4:01:06 am reply quote

Terror Pakistani Neurologist has a terrible secret!

The bureau probably plans another public push to find Aafia Siddiqui, 32, a Pakistani woman who has a doctorate in neurological science and has studied at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Brandeis University in the Boston area, as well as in Houston.


She has two strikes. She's a woman, and she was educated by you know who (rhymes w/ booze).


One more strike and maybe her brother or father will stone her before she has a chance to blow up whatever she is planning to blow up. (She'd better not let any ankle show or answer the phone)

60 Andjam  5/26/04 4:01:47 am reply quote

#57 scaramouche:

Sorry, I look that person in the "eye". PIMF.

I didn't notice that "eye" was missing - my brain just added it in.

61 papijoe  5/26/04 4:03:27 am reply quote

#56 scaramouche

America is the only thing standing between the Jews and oblivion

That's interesting because in my mind, the cultural legacy that this country inherited from the Jews is the only thing preventing us from falling into the moral abyss that has swallowed Europe.
It's definitely a symbiotic relationship
I wish I could better understand this self defeating mindset of most of the American Jews I know.
As a Gentile I don't feel like I have a lot of credibility in trying to persuade Jews that the LLL agenda is deadly.
It's frustrating.

62 papijoe  5/26/04 4:16:52 am reply quote

#59 Ed Moran:Abu al Kahoul (for JJ)

She also made phone calls and sent money to an unnamed student at Clark Univ here in Worcester. I'd bet the farm he/she was MSA and a member of the local Wahabhi infested masjid.

63 Ed Moran:Abu al Kahoul (for JJ)  5/26/04 4:25:39 am reply quote

I got mildly intoxicated at a frat party at Worcester Poly Tech in December 1981. A rather badly under-predicted snowstorm hit. Most cooly "Animal House" thing, walking through campus in the snow when a keg of beer came flying through a window of one of the fraternity houses, IIRC (I had been drinking). This was before I had moved to Texas, but after I had left Long island.

I had taken either the AP exam or the SATs that morning (can't remember which, I took the SATs a couple of times). Not to brag, my best SAT scores were 740 V, 700 M.


I used to be pretty smart, but then something happened.

64 Mary  5/26/04 4:34:06 am reply quote

OT

New York Times admits flawed Iraq coverage

New York, , May. 26 (UPI) -- The New York Times admitted Wednesday that its Iraqi war coverage "was not as rigorous as it should have been" in verifying sources and information.

The long explanation "From the Editors" appeared inside the Times' front section.

The editorial said that certain "problematic articles" depended on information from Iraqi informants that may not have been reliable, including Ahmad Chalabi. Chalabi has recently been accused of feeding false intelligence to U.S. officials and media before the war, in an effort to drum up support for regime change in Iraq.

The Times admitted that "Editors at several levels who should have been challenging reporters and pressing for more skepticism were perhaps too intent on rushing scoops into the paper."

The mea culpa goes on to list specific articles that included unverified claims of secret weapons facilities, the destruction of chemical and biological weapons, and other highly questionable information.

The Times invites readers to visit its Web site, [Link: www.nytimes.com...] for more details of its flawed Iraq coverage.

65 scaramouche  5/26/04 4:50:09 am reply quote

#61 papijoe

It's amazing to me that so many Jews fail to see the the dangers they face and to tow the LLL line. Habit, denial, ignorance--whatever the reason, we're no more equipped for the cataclysm we face that the Jews of Germany and Europe were before the Holocaust.

Frustrating? Absolutely. I have sat across a dinner table from otherwise intelligent people who have raged about George W. Bush and American imperialism. I have heard a close friend of my in-laws harumph that he has a subscription to The International Herald Tribune because he likes to get "the European perspective". I have had a friendly but heated discussion with another beloved family friend who has children and grandchildren in Israel and who thinks that the enemy is Bush, Sharon, the religious right and the settlers. I have talked to a deluded Canadian who moved to Israel a long time ago and says she no longer believes in Zionism and is now actively helping the Palestinians.

So I can well understand your frustration. As a Jew, I feel it myself.

66 Colt  5/26/04 4:52:32 am reply quote

#61 papijoe

As a Gentile I don't feel like I have a lot of credibility in trying to persuade Jews that the LLL agenda is deadly.

I've tried before, and the only thing that comes close to working is "take a look around - these people won't even fight for themselves, let alone you - they do not have your back."

It works on some, but not enough.

67 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  5/26/04 4:57:52 am reply quote

#63 Abu Moran

I used to be pretty smart, but then something happened.

You didn't become a Democrat, did you?

Learn the Truth about Islam

68 quiteFrank  5/26/04 5:07:28 am reply quote

Never forget. Never submit. Never quit until the job is done. - An Angry American

69 papijoe  5/26/04 5:07:50 am reply quote

#63 Ed Moran:Abu al Kahoul (for JJ)

[proudly adds current residence to Ed's Intoxication Location map]

70 Colt  5/26/04 5:11:10 am reply quote
16:09 Two cars explode outside Pakistan-American cultural center in southern city of Karachi; at least seven people wounded
71 quark2  5/26/04 5:17:43 am reply quote

So, where was this saddiqui shemale last seen? Is she headed for or already in the states?
Even NBC morning show was all about the predicted terrorist/s attacks on our soil.
When it, not if, happens all thoughts and measures of tolerance, pity, sympathy and understanding will go flying out the window.
If Kerry has ONE serious thought that he can generate in that feeble mind of his, it better be how to effectively respond militarily to this scum. And I am including ALL Muslims when it happens. From the oldest to the youngest regardless of gender.
Maybe I should just say how I really feel about this subject.

72 'Nam Grunt  5/26/04 5:23:56 am reply quote

#71 quark2,


I'm with you my friend, hell, I'll even walk point as an early warning "system".

73 B.C.  5/26/04 5:27:17 am reply quote

Meanwhile here in London, our famed universities are giving a platform to terrorists...

LSE Extremism Row

74 lawhawk  5/26/04 5:28:54 am reply quote

OT - [Link: www.jpost.com...] - pervasive media bias exposed

75 Jolly Roger  5/26/04 5:28:58 am reply quote

Ed,

I used to be pretty smart, but then something happened.

I used to be pretty smart two. Explanation in two words:

Beer + Women.

I've been meaning to donate some serious cash to the old fraternity just so I could go back for homecoming and something, and have a keg fly through the window as I came walking up to the house.

76 Jolly Roger  5/26/04 5:29:52 am reply quote

Er, "too". Perfect example of used to be pretty smart.

77 quark2  5/26/04 5:30:35 am reply quote

@72 'Nam Grunt

You walk point and I'll have your back.
I am just sick and tired of these people deliberately coming to MY country to kill me and mine.
I am just starting to get mad, really really mad.

78 Luigi  5/26/04 5:32:16 am reply quote

Somewhat OT:

I just heard some clear-eyed thinking on Fox. A fellow named Sgt. Major Steve Greer told his interviewer:

"Al Queda will continue to pursue its goals, which are to create pan-Islamic caliphate across the world and eject non-Islamic people from Islamic countries."

The truth will set us free.

79 davesax  5/26/04 5:39:10 am reply quote

Charles, you won't believe this. The New York Times has an article that actually cites the conspiracy theories about Nicholas Berg with some seriousness, citing the "suspicious circumstances" that lead to them.

80 'Nam Grunt  5/26/04 5:39:24 am reply quote

#77 quark2,

More sleepy dopes, need to grasp this situation as a dire emergency in this nation, hell, I see it everyday, most of our citzens do not have a clue as to what is really happening. If you try to explain they look at you as if you just flew in from another planet, or, "he's just an old Vet". well I'm 56yrs. old in great shape, and I still remember how to pack a rucksack with "essentials" and I still remember how to load an M-16, so, as a great American once said Let's roll".

81 Luigi  5/26/04 5:40:24 am reply quote

The commercial following the above interview on Fox was for an an outfit called CashLink Systems which franchises ATM machines that private individuals can place in fast food restaurants and other stores. During the last half second of the commercial, which takes place inside a fast food restaurant, there is a semi subliminal cut of a smiling teen wearing a tshirt screened with the message: "MECCA SINCE DAY ONE".

Is this legal? Should this CashLink systems be foisting this message on the public? Should Fox?

Opinions anyone? Anyone want to write to Fox?

82 Luigi  5/26/04 5:47:51 am reply quote

#81 Luigi

I'm writing to Fox right. Their sponsor CashLink Systems is proselytizing for the Islamic religion right in their commerical (between interviews about how we can protect ourselves from Islamic assassins.)

See my post above (#81) for details. I saw what I saw.


Feedback@foxnews.com

83 Occasional Reader  5/26/04 5:55:58 am reply quote

OT:

Great stuff--via Andrew Sullivan, check out this interview of John Schaffer of the American heavy metal group "Iced Earth" (I confess, I never heard of 'em) with some lefty Canadian webzine called "Brave Words and Brass Knuckles". Excerpts (begging pardons in advance for the strong language):

BW&BK: "This next question is controversial so I'm letting you know before we proceed. Some political analysts have articulated the view that what happened on September 11 was justified due to America's presence in the Middle East, specifically Saudi Arabia. Some political analysts view it as retaliation for what the US has done in the Middle East in the past. As a Canadian, I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about this view that's been put forth by analysts."

JS: "No, it wasn't justified. Not at all. And anybody who says so needs to have their fuckin' head examined."

BW&BK: "Do you think 9/11 will be viewed as the first event in the US empire's decline and fall?"

JS: "No. This is not an empire, first of all. If the United States was an empire, your country would be our 51st state."

[...]

BW&BK: "So you don't see the Bush regime as being cultural imperialists? You don't see them as trying to force the American way of life on to a nation that maybe doesn't want it?"


JS: "No. If you think that's true, then why are 70 or 80 percent of the people are thrilled to have us there. Have you not seen that? And it's not a regime, by the way. You keep up that kind of language I'm going to end the interview right now."

84 Luigi  5/26/04 5:56:07 am reply quote

I just sent the following email to Feedback@foxnews.com under the subject "CASHLINK SYSTEMS AD PROSELYTIZING FOR ISLAM"

"The commercial following the interview on Fox of Sgt. Major Steve Greer was for an an outfit called CashLink Systems. During the last half second of the commercial, which takes place inside a fast food restaurant, there is a semi subliminal cut of a smiling teen wearing a tshirt screened with the message: "MECCA SINCE DAY ONE".

Your sponsor CashLink Systems is proselytizing for the Islamic religion right in their commerical (between interviews about how we can protect ourselves from Islamic assassins.)

Is this legal? Should this CashLink systems be foisting this message on the public? Should Fox?

Sincerely,

(Name Withheld)"

85 quark2  5/26/04 5:58:51 am reply quote

@80 'Nam Grunt

Ya think the american public needs to become just a "tad" rednecked? It wouldn't hurt the old survival instincts.
Truth be told that's the problem the hackles don't rise on folks like they used to.
I am beginning to suspect that lots of us may just be living out of backpacks before it's over with. All depends on how much damage this next attack does.
Whatever happened to pre emptive strikes?

86 sharona  5/26/04 5:59:16 am reply quote

OT:

Worthwhile piece by Zachary Selden in today's Opinion Journal:

What Europe Doesn't Understand: Neoconservatism is neither neo nor conservative. It's just American.

If anyone has trouble opening the link up (as in it would require registration), I'd be happy to send on a copy. A tidbit ...

Although there are notable exceptions, many European commentators and much of the public are resorting to conspiratorial theories to explain the direction of U.S. foreign policy and somehow overlook the fact that American public opinion runs in favor of the president's handling of foreign affairs. Perhaps more important, however, they overlook the deep historical roots of the current direction of American foreign policy. It is not driven by a "neocon cabal." Rather, it is that certain individuals associated with the neoconservative label have been particularly articulate in expressing a set of policies that flow from two ideas that resonate deeply in American public opinion. The first is a belief that the United States has a responsibility to spread its vision of individual liberty. The second is that the primary and perhaps exclusive task of the federal government is to protect its citizens from external threats. Whatever the actual causes of U.S. action in any particular instance, those principles loom large in the public debate and shape how and when the United States becomes involved in other countries' affairs.
87 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  5/26/04 5:59:54 am reply quote

#81 Luigi

there is a semi subliminal cut of a smiling teen wearing a tshirt screened with the message: "MECCA SINCE DAY ONE".

I would just take this as a *strategic objective* on our part, rather than an attempt at proselytisation on their part....*smirk*

88 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  5/26/04 6:03:19 am reply quote

Quark2 and 'Nam Grunt

I've never even been in the military (my "military age" was during the Clinton abomination, and I wasn't going to serve under *him*), but I'll jine y'all if you like. I can shoot straight, am well-armed, and highly motivated.

Additionally, I have a hyper-sensitive understanding of property rights. The jihadis will get to discuss things with al-ilah face to face if they set foot in my woods.

89 quark2  5/26/04 6:06:26 am reply quote

@81 luigi

So does the Muslim need a special atm card to take money from these machines? Is the newest way of moving illicit monies about the nation?
Who owns this company doing this sublimial messaging?

90 rock the casbah  5/26/04 6:07:13 am reply quote

SHIIITES VS. SUNNIS

Much has been made about whether Shiites should run Iraq or if it should be given to a "Sunni strongman".

What are the stereotypes for Shiites and Sunnis? Are the Shiites the dumb, slow ones and Sunnis are considered intelligent and sophisticated? is it that the Shiites are considered to have low morals or are considered superstitious?

what is it?

91 Luigi  5/26/04 6:08:05 am reply quote

#89 quark2

Write to Fox. We can get them to be responsible.

93 'Nam Grunt  5/26/04 6:09:25 am reply quote

quark2,

Exactly sir, can you imagine "Red Dawn" happening one day in Amerca, hopefully we won't have to, all we have to do is vaporize them and get their attention, by the by, though I do live in a sleeepy little Texas town, I don't consider myself a redneck, only an old soldier that is willing to defend my country against all enemies foriegn or domestic.

94 Canuckistan  5/26/04 6:11:09 am reply quote

OFFTOPIC... Time for an LGF retraction. Remember that story of the motion sensor found by the railroad tracks in Philadelphia? Turns out it was put there by a lazy worker to warn when the boss was coming.

More here:
[Link: www.abc.net.au...]

95 BW  5/26/04 6:13:47 am reply quote

#42 kagar

With Iraq and anti-terror policies dominating, world attention has been diverted from old wars, the group also noted. Conflict in Chechnya (news - web sites), Colombia, the Democratic Republic of Congo (news - web sites), Sudan and Nepal remain "a breeding ground for some of the worst atrocities."

Mmm...attention has been diverted. Would that be the fuckin liberal media that prides itself on looking out for the underdog? Surely not. I'm surprised they didn't blame National Review.

Hypocrites.

96 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  5/26/04 6:15:23 am reply quote

OT - This is hilarious! This apparently aborted blog wasn't started by *our Allah*, was it?

97 quark2  5/26/04 6:16:04 am reply quote

@88 TQC

I never served either, my husband was in viet nam in 69-70. recon. But like you I have a superhypersensitivity about my woods too. And, I patrol them regularly with the dogs.
The activity in our neck of the woods has been pretty easy to stay up with, except for the local truck stop.
I have posted before about this place, the Muslims that run it have installed two electronic palm trees right out on the main road at one of the entrances. I have watched the light patterns in these two electronic trees manipulated since they were installed. Also the one small mosque that is local does a weird thing with the sign that keeps moving or taken down and later put back up. Just the one word, masjid, but sometimes driving by it's tacked on a tree, and others it's gone.
I'm not paranoid, really I'm not. :)

98 Occasional Reader  5/26/04 6:18:59 am reply quote

#95 BW and #42 Kragar--

I notice they mention Sudan as one of the "forgotten" wars. Of course, liberal media has a little, ah, trouble reporting about Sudan. There was an NPR piece on it just this morning. Okay, they pointed out that "thousands" had been killed, up to a million displaced, and that this could be categorized as "genocide".

What was never mentioned--not once in the entire piece--was that the perpetrators of the genocide are Muslim, doing this in the name of jihad; and that the victims are all kuffar.

What a strange omission.

99 John H.  5/26/04 6:19:53 am reply quote

I hope the Japanese are asking themselves "why do they hate us?"

100 quark2 texicanius jacksonian  5/26/04 6:23:43 am reply quote

@93 'Nam Grunt

"Red Dawn" is an exact scenario that some parts of this country might just find themselves enduring. Why is it that so called civilized folks just can't ever admit there is always the possibility of a worst case scenario. I guess that's why in general most don't believe in or have a backup plan in place.
A sleepy little Texas town, which part of my neck o woods are you in? :)

101 andthenblammo!  5/26/04 6:24:01 am reply quote

OT:

John F'ng got dinged by the mayor of Chicago, King Richard the Second, about the "training wheels" joke:

Youse should show some class

For all the foofooraw over the province of the remark, people sure seem to find it believable.

Live by the meme, die by the meme.

102 'Nam Grunt  5/26/04 6:27:39 am reply quote

quark2,

I worked as a chemical plant technician in Houston after having served 10yrs. in the Army ('66-'76), after an early retirement in '01 I moved to Orange, Tx. nice and "quiet".

103 Renna