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Amnesty International Hits Bottom, Digs

Wed, May 26, 2004 at 8:59:56 am PDT

According to Amnesty International, the United States is the worst violator of human rights in the world: Amnesty slams ‘bankrupt’ vision of US in damning human rights report. (Hat tip: Beagle.)

LONDON (AFP) - The United States has proved “bankrupt of vision and bereft of principle” in its fight against terrorism and invasion of Iraq, Amnesty International charged.

In its 2004 report on the state of human rights around the globe, the London-based group cited grave violations in dozens of other nations.

But it targeted in particular the “war on terror” initiated by US President George W. Bush in the wake of the September 11 attacks in 2001 for sanctioning human rights abuses in the name of freedom.

The unilateral nature of the conflict to unseat Saddam Hussein in Iraq had additionally “virtually paralyzed” the United Nations’ role in guaranteeing human rights on a global level, the Amnesty report said Wednesday.

The 339-page document, detailing the human rights situation in 157 nations and territories, reserved the most column inches for the United States, with almost as many critical words also meted out to Russia and China.

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1 andthenblammo!  5/26/04 7:02:59 am reply quote

Bet this makes Sudan, Cuba, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Libya, Syria, Iran, and South Africa feel better!

2 fireman  5/26/04 7:04:56 am reply quote

AI = Assholes & Idiots.

3 Maximus  5/26/04 7:05:05 am reply quote

I'll be laughing about this one all day. The UN has been prevented by the WOT from securing human rights around the world? The UN, in which Sudan sits on the Commission for Human Rights? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!! When they evidence some concern for the fundamental right of NOT BEING SLAUGHTERED BY MUSLIMS WAGING FUCKING JIHAD, maybe we'll listen to their concerns for 5 seconds instead of not at all.

4 The Dread Pirate Gryphon  5/26/04 7:05:32 am reply quote
with almost as many critical words also meted out to Russia and China.

Kewl! We beat Russia and China! U-S-A!!! U-S-A!!! U-S-A!!!

5 scaramouche  5/26/04 7:05:46 am reply quote

Amnesty Int parrots the Chomsky line.

Dumb and dumberer.

6 Rigth Wing Animator(Reaganite's Kid)  5/26/04 7:06:16 am reply quote

So where were these guys when Iraq was a major violator of human rights...

Anyone know where I can find a transcript of this report so I can see what our war crimes are?

7 zulubaby  5/26/04 7:06:33 am reply quote

andthenblammo!, you let out Zimbabwe. SoCalJustice sent me the funniest article yesterday: Mugabe says Tutu is evil

"He is an angry, evil and embittered little bishop," he told Sky News TV in the first interview he has given to British media for several years.
8 Veil All Camels Now  5/26/04 7:06:39 am reply quote

Big effing yawn. Amnesty International...putting ideology before humanity since I don't know how long, but it seems like forever.

9 Troy  5/26/04 7:06:54 am reply quote

Well done guys, you finally knocked Irael of the perch. Wonder if AI had any regrets not slamming Israel enough

10 Pamela  5/26/04 7:07:36 am reply quote

When the hell did the Un care about human rights? they only care about scamming as much from programs as they can and being in eachothers back pockets!!

11 Pamela  5/26/04 7:08:24 am reply quote

PS- I wonder how much in kickbacks the ACLU gets from the UN?

12 BW  5/26/04 7:08:36 am reply quote

I really wish I was a Yank. To see this absolute cascade of LLL, anti-Americanism coming from all corners with not a jot of perspective to be found is hilarious.

Overkill was passed one month ago, we are now in absolute terminal freefall.

Why not just rename the USA the Land of Satan and get it over with.

There are 300,000 corpses in Iraq currently bewailing the fact that no one gave a shit about their rights.

13 RIP Ford  5/26/04 7:08:51 am reply quote

Veil All Camels Now

putting ideology before humanity since I don't know how long

Well we all know it is not about results with these guys, but rhetoric.

14 Ral  5/26/04 7:08:53 am reply quote
The 339-page document, detailing the human rights situation in 157 nations and territories, reserved the most column inches for the United States, with almost as many critical words also meted out to Russia and China.

So in Sudan, and Congo genocide is happening but that is less important than US bashing. Being 'bankrupt of vision and bereft of principle' is so much worse than murdering whole nations of people.

15 Free Speech Is Only For Uber-Libs  5/26/04 7:08:53 am reply quote

I wonder if AI has any thing to say on sex abuse by UN blue helmets (via Charles link below)
[Link: news.independent.co.uk...]


Isn't there some fancy organization out there that can put a reality check on what the UN actually accomplishes? I'm still waiting to find out.

16 quark2  5/26/04 7:09:32 am reply quote

@3 Maximus

No, Anesty International is just like the UN, corrupt, morally bankrupt and irrevelent. So how much money were they getting out of the Oil-for-Food scam?

17 gymnast  5/26/04 7:11:39 am reply quote

The people at AI must be having a bit of trouble making a living off of other peoples pain lately. Looks like they've come up with a new marketing program.

18 Troy from Australia  5/26/04 7:11:52 am reply quote

I'm so jealous of you guys

19 Amy  5/26/04 7:11:59 am reply quote

Well, communists have to do something with their time, now that their utopian dreams have disappeared down the toilet of history.

20 RIP Ford  5/26/04 7:12:01 am reply quote

#12 BW

I really wish I was a Yank.

Feel free to come on over, at any time.

21 Free Speech Is Only For Uber-Libs  5/26/04 7:12:41 am reply quote

and what pray tell are AI's stellar accomplishments? pointing at the big bad America while horrors go on under their anti-capitalist stuck-up whiney noses? When horrors happen in Cuba, it’s okay – because Castro is a commie. Human rights abuses done in the name of communism are fine and dandy.

22 Smit  5/26/04 7:12:54 am reply quote

#7 zulubaby - damn, I never thought I'd ever agree on anything with Mugabe!

23 My 2 Sense  5/26/04 7:13:11 am reply quote

It astounds me the lack of foresight these organizations have. Except with the likes of Moore, Sarandon and Garofolo - granted, observers with objectivity as pure as the driven snow - these kinds of ridiculous accusations and demonstrations of bias against the US, which is patently NOT the worst human rights violator in the world, are going to destroy what shred of credibility these people have. And that's really too bad, in the long run, because it's helpful to have "independent" organizations, eg The Red Cross, keeping tabs on things.

Another way to view this is as a strategic move on Amnesty's part. Presuming they recognize the Kim Jong Il and his ilk are unlikely to give a rat's rear-end about what they think of his policies, why waste the ink. Amnesty doesn't have any direct enforcement apparatus - all they can do is try to shame violators into acting more responsibly. They know that the US can be influenced in this fashion, so we become a natural and tactically-wise target for their vitriol.

Of course, I wouldn't rule out that they're just anti-US sh*t-heads.

24 andthenblammo!  5/26/04 7:13:17 am reply quote

Kickbacks from Saddam had NOTHING to do with that there paralysis, did it, you nut-cutlet eating wankers?
If these tea-sipping scone suckers ever read a newspaper other than the freaking Daily Worker, they might have a clue what happens outside of ivory tower land. But that revelation might cause them to soil their HelloKitty! underwear.

25 Mary  5/26/04 7:13:21 am reply quote

How can anyone take AI seriously? No shame, no sense of embarrassment. But, I bet the AI folk feel REALLY REALLY good about themselves and all the goodness they spread.

26 David Simon  5/26/04 7:13:49 am reply quote
..."virtually paralyzed" the United Nations' role in guaranteeing human rights on a global level

To think that someone actually wrote that with a straight face.

27 Eric Jablow  5/26/04 7:13:49 am reply quote

BW,

Come for a visit. We welcome non-idiots. My grandparents left Russia in the 1910s, and they never looked back.

28 Maximus  5/26/04 7:14:02 am reply quote

#16 quark2

Makes me wonder what they were getting out of the UN corruption. They are irrelevant; but then again, they were irrelevant when I was growing up during the waning years of the cold war. They've always condemned America and licked the sack of certain types of dictators.

29 Flagwaver  5/26/04 7:14:07 am reply quote

Dennis Prager has the right of it when he points out that moments like this help bring clarity . . . and CLARITY is important.

For the U.N., for Amnesty International, for International ANSWER, for the rest of the barking moonbat crowd, both foreign and domestic, NOTHING is more important than bashing the U.S. Certainly not the principles they CLAIM to espouse and protect!

Effin' @$$holes.

30 Spiny Norman  5/26/04 7:14:44 am reply quote

#14 Ral

So in Sudan, and Congo genocide is happening but that is less important than US bashing. Being 'bankrupt of vision and bereft of principle' is so much worse than murdering whole nations of people.

Yes.

Amnesty International does not care a whit about horrors committed in the Third World, unless those horrors can be "traced" back to the US.

31 Flores  5/26/04 7:15:04 am reply quote

Where the hell did Brazil come into this discussion? All those other states (excepting S. Africa) blammo! lists have systematic, state-sponsored terrorism and oppression. Brazil has rogue police officers...and a healthy dose of anarchy in some places...but it's a world of difference.

I think some noses need to be pinched 'round here.

32 Poitiers-Lepanto  5/26/04 7:15:14 am reply quote

The usual commies.
AI has been hijacked ten years ago by the pinkos.
It has the same relevance of Baghdad Bob.

33 Dean Douthat  5/26/04 7:15:54 am reply quote

Follow the money. Where does most AI money come from? Right, US Lefties, exactly where this report is aimed. Not many donations coming in from Sudan, for example.

34 scaramouche  5/26/04 7:16:34 am reply quote

We all know that in our morally inverted world, "human rights" is a smokecreen behind which the true perpetrators of evil can hide. Amnesty International and the UN Human Rights Commission and other bodies dedicated to "human rights" have become apologists for the bad guys. They are in the business of blowing smoke at gullible and masochistic Western liberals, and to deflect attention away from the real dangers we all face.

35 andthenblammo!  5/26/04 7:18:49 am reply quote

#31 Flores:

Calm down buddy, we have a few trolls who claim to be from Brazil who pop in every once in a while and spout AI style nonsense; Brazil was put in that list just to excite them.

But hey, since I am a violent, repressive American, and you have threatened to pinch my elegant Roman nose, I'll give you three to run...............

36 mad_scientist  5/26/04 7:19:16 am reply quote

This is not a surprise to me. Every chance Amnesty International gets to "stick it to" the US it will.

37 maf  5/26/04 7:21:09 am reply quote

#34 scaramouche

very well said.

38 gd  5/26/04 7:21:53 am reply quote

#6 -

I don't know? Perhaps if they hadn't published report after report critical of Iraq before Sadam was removed, maybe you might have a point. Maybe if they hadn't consitantly campaigned against unlawful detention, torture and the death penalty in Iraq, maybe you might have a point.

Amnesty International have consistently and impartially highlighted human rights abuse from all around the world. For example, Amnesty were critical of the Sudanese long before LGF jumped on the bandwagon.

Jeez, give them a break. One report that gets media attention, and you guys all go crazy.

39 Athos  5/26/04 7:22:07 am reply quote

There are times when one really needs to look closely at ones enemies and critics - to measure the depths and levels of their hatred, their accusations, their contempt to measure your own beliefs and principles against those hatreds, accusations, and contempt.

When we do this with the el cubos, the UN, International ANSWER, Amnesty International - and really look at their message versus their contempt and hatred towards the US - we KNOW that we are on the RIGHT path, on the RIGHT side of history.

We evaluate and judge ourselves based on those who are our enemies- and given the doublestandards, duplicity, and hollow whinging of these groups - we have to know that we are on the right course.

We should revel in their contempt for US, laugh at their condemnations, and relish the fits that our actions are driving them to.

Just as we laugh and ridicule the many mindless trolls that come here, we should continue to laugh at these useless idiots whose blovations only reinforce their moral and intellectual bankruptcy.

40 lawhawk  5/26/04 7:22:53 am reply quote

AI figures that it no longer needs to concern itself with the rest of the world. They're screwed anyways. So, they cover the US ad nauseum hoping that someone will listen.

/sarcasm

I enjoyed that part about how the US War on Terror has constrained human rights around the world. To me, where is AIs condemnation of nation-states that find it perfectly acceptable to fund, train, and condone the activities of terrorists who took away all the human rights of 3,000 Americans on 9/11?

*crickets chirping*

AI really ought to get its priorities straight. Either cover all the world's nastiness with the proper perspective - namely giving genocide and ethnic cleansing more space in the reports than claims of prisoner abuse, or come out and state that AIs agenda is not, and never was, about human rights, but to blame the US for human rights abuses - no matter where they occur.

Heck, if AI could find a way to blame the US for human rights abuses in China, they would.

41 andthenblammo!  5/26/04 7:23:16 am reply quote

#38 gd:

We get tired of being picked on; big guys have feelings, too.

Hold me, I think I might just cry.

42 Free Speech Is Only For Uber-Libs  5/26/04 7:23:26 am reply quote

AI are just jealous of our big bombs.

43 Joshua  5/26/04 7:24:15 am reply quote

I wonder if the amount of space devoted to each country is related to the number of Amnesty personnel who spend their time there.

"Okay, who wants to spend the winter investigating police brutality in Moscow? ... No volunteers? Well, how about in Los Angeles?"

44 Beagle  5/26/04 7:24:32 am reply quote

Major confession, as I told Charles,

I once game money to Amnesty International.

I know, a tree-hugging liberal. I hug trees literally, much smarter. You know, grow them in reality.

When I gave to Amnesty we were not at war for our survival. Well, we were, I just didn't know it yet.

Thanks for the hat tip and a chance to get this off my chest in public. See, free therapy. I was bad.

*slap* "Let go and grow"...barf.

Don't let go too early or you are on your way to losing all sense of concern for others.

45 QueenEsther bint kufr  5/26/04 7:27:08 am reply quote

OT: I wonder if it will be shaped like the Eiffel Tower with a minaret on top? United Arab Emirates to build the world's tallest pen*s, I mean, building

46 BW  5/26/04 7:28:12 am reply quote

#20 RIP Ford

Thanks for the offer, but I'll fight the good fight this side of the pond.

Only yesterday I was accosted whilst shopping by the local Socialist party (European Parliament elections imminent). The young dolt who stopped me was looking for signatures to help "end the occupation." You could'nt photshop a more clueless looking dimwit. I said I actually supported it. He literally couldn't believe it.

I would have stayed longer to discuss the matter but I was hungry and his high blood/gormlessness factor meant it would have taken some time.

47 Marc  5/26/04 7:29:25 am reply quote

Ambiguity International can kiss my @ss.

48 Beagle  5/26/04 7:30:58 am reply quote

"Game" money. Freudian typo?

I'll never know. I meant gaVe money. I make too many typos even for Freud.

49 Sandy P  5/26/04 7:35:31 am reply quote

Uh, no, the UN virtually parazlyed itself.

50 Colt  5/26/04 7:38:42 am reply quote

Amnesty condemns Israel, Palestinians

Describes Auschwitz and Overlord as 'indiscriminate killings' and 'excessive and violated international law'.

51 RIP Ford  5/26/04 7:39:22 am reply quote

#46 BW

I would have stayed longer to discuss the matter but I was hungry and his high blood/gormlessness factor meant it would have taken some time.

LOL
Good luck.

52 Cynic  5/26/04 7:39:30 am reply quote

Amnesty, hah!
They're a joke.
Just this criticism of their reporting on Gzaz shows them for what they are:

such accusations reflect political and ideological agendas, rather than a careful weighing of the evidence

This is by way of NGO Monitor.

53 Lionheart  5/26/04 7:41:32 am reply quote

Oliver Kamm has a great article about Commies and Amnesty

54 Sofia  5/26/04 7:41:34 am reply quote

# 12

I wish I was a Yank too...

/sigh

It sucks here in Portugal. Europe is getting unbearable!!

Buahhhh!

No, really, get me out of here!

Will mary a US guy for a Green Card!

Tall, blond, green eyed girl, 20!

SAVE ME FROM EURABIA!

Heellllp!

55 Veil All Camels Now  5/26/04 7:42:07 am reply quote

You Americans are such awful, awful people. Canada almost never makes AI's top 40 list (I think we have gotten our fingers whacked for our continued oppression and genocide against our aboriginal population, but that's it). You see, up here in the Great North, we have taken our stand, and we stand for puppy dogs, blue skies and big smiles all around. All the citizens of the world...please love us.

56 Johnny Empire  5/26/04 7:43:45 am reply quote

If the US was as terrible a place as they would make it appear, we would have won the war already because there'd be no one left to resist. We'd have killed them all already. Not to mention liquidating the LLL here.

But of course, we're a nice friendly happy country with lots of bunny rabbits and flowers. So everyone hates us.

57 zulubaby  5/26/04 7:44:47 am reply quote

Colt (#50)

What infuriates me is that they are so hypocritical and nobody calls them on it. When have they ever called for a "thorough and independent investigation" into the cold-blooded mass-murder of Jews? Bastards.

58 andthenblammo!  5/26/04 7:45:29 am reply quote

#55 Veil all Camels Now:


(((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))

59 Mike  5/26/04 7:47:41 am reply quote

Hey, there are no US troops in North Korea. Or Cuba.

So ... All you bleeding-heart AI-er's, get your plane tickets for Pyongyang and Havana and, damn it, start making a DIFFERENCE!!!

(What? Okay, don't everybody jump at once.)

Suckers.

Idiots.

Maroons. No - Ultramaroons.

60 Sol Roth  5/26/04 7:47:51 am reply quote

Good. Let's get on with tha killin'.

61 Blackman  5/26/04 7:48:39 am reply quote

Sad how in a democracy like ours violations of human rights can occur, and if the report gave more space to violations committed by the USA, it is only appropriate given the ideals we talk up, but sometimes fall short of putting into practice. Then again, our history is one we can both be proud and ashamed of and it is Amnesty's job to keep us informed when we have unknowingly strayed from our ideals.

62 BeckoningChasm  5/26/04 7:50:02 am reply quote

The unilateral nature of the conflict to unseat Saddam Hussein in Iraq had additionally “virtually paralyzed” the United Nations’ role in guaranteeing human rights on a global level, the Amnesty report said Wednesday.

I thought virtually paralyzing the UN's role in anything could only be a good thing.

63 gd  5/26/04 7:50:06 am reply quote

#57 zulubaby:

Did you even read the article linked to?

The organization branded the Palestinians' attacks against Israeli civilians as "crimes against humanity," Israel Radio reported.

Woah. Crimes against humanity? Sounds somewhat worse than excessive, doesn't it?

64 quark2  5/26/04 7:51:02 am reply quote

@18 Troy in Australia

....."preening shiny green scales".....
You are? :)

@35 andthenblammo!

What you said!

@46 BW

*LOL
'gormlessness', I haven't heard that term in an eternity!

65 Geepers  5/26/04 7:51:41 am reply quote

The Dread Pirate Gryphon (#4),

with almost as many critical words also meted out to Russia and China.


Kewl! We beat Russia and China! U-S-A!!! U-S-A!!! U-S-A!!!

Hell Yeah!

They can't hold a candle to US atrocities. Fuck with us and we'll make you wear a panty hat! Brave mujahideen willing to die for the cause tremble in fear with the very thought of it.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg, let me tell you.
You can scarcely imagine the horrors of Delta Force's "padded bra punishment" which is only whispered about, or the CIA's unimaginably terrifying "Lingerie Spree" which can only be imagined.

66 RIP Ford  5/26/04 7:51:45 am reply quote

#64 quark2

Have you heard from realwest? Any one else?

67 genard  5/26/04 7:51:49 am reply quote

Amnesty International's Mission Statement:

Amnesty's mission is to undertake research and action focused on
preventing and ending grave abuses of the rights to physical and mental
integrity, freedom of conscience and expression, and freedom from
discrimination--in the context of our work to promote all human rights, as
articulated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Does Amnesty International know that that there is no International law unless the United States enforces it?

68 zulubaby  5/26/04 7:52:52 am reply quote

gd (#63)

Yes, I did read the article. Did you read my comment?

I wrote:

When have they ever called for a "thorough and independent investigation" into the cold-blooded mass-murder of Jews?

That's the part I was referring to. Is that okay with you?

69 lmg  5/26/04 7:52:53 am reply quote

They want us to be France, minus the corruption and baked grandparents. But we'll never be France, because too many of us can't get the hang of talking through our noses. We'll just have to commit collective suicide to atone for our sin of being. We'll bring out all our nuclear weapons, distribute them around the country, and set them off. The nuclear winter should help keep the Parisians cool and happy.

70 RIP Ford  5/26/04 7:53:14 am reply quote

My #66 should read...


Have you heard from realwest? Any one else heard from him?

PINMF

71 andthenblammo!  5/26/04 7:55:12 am reply quote

#65 Geepers:

Not to mention the "little lacy ankle socks and gloves" treatment we used on the Haymarket rioters.

We have much to answer for, my friend.

72 quark2  5/26/04 7:55:59 am reply quote

@62 BeckoningChasm

The paralysis is the hole it made in the UN's money bag.

73 Austin  5/26/04 7:56:56 am reply quote

Amnesty is far more about politics and far less about human rights.

74 Spiny Norman  5/26/04 7:58:02 am reply quote

#54 Sofia

No, really, get me out of here!

Will mary a US guy for a Green Card!

Tall, blond, green eyed girl, 20!

Umm, really?

75 Spiny Norman  5/26/04 7:59:52 am reply quote

#65 Geepers

Fuck with us and we'll make you wear a panty hat! Brave mujahideen willing to die for the cause tremble in fear with the very thought of it.

LOL!

76 Sofia  5/26/04 8:00:34 am reply quote

# 61

I understand your point of view but don´t quite agree.
I think AI should focus on non-democracies first simply because a democracy has ways of finding out it´s violations, of bringing them public and of self-punishing itself! ( Abu-Ghraib anyone?)
A free press, balanced justice and a democratic society are enough in most cases!

But countries where nothing like that exists where is AI then? If they can´t even enter safely in most of those undemocratic countries! Of course they bash the US!!
They can!

My God they can see everything that goes on in there! Free coutry! Duh!

Sofia from Portugal
(American Soul)

77 freedomsound  5/26/04 8:00:52 am reply quote

#50 Colt

From your JPost link:

The human rights group said that it could neither confirm nor deny claims by the IDF that armed men were leading the demonstrators, but expressed concern with "the means and methods used by the Israeli army during a non-violent demonstration in a built-up area"

See, even armed terrorists can lead non-violent demonstrations.

78 SwampWoman  5/26/04 8:01:19 am reply quote

#54 Sofia

Now, come on, Sofia! You got to expand on your standards a little there besides just a US guy. You might wanta specify things like "must be able to read without moving lips" and "must not be recent Muslim immigrant from Pakistan", and/or "must practice personal hygiene" and, considering your age, you might want to put in there that if they exceed your age by more than, say, 15 years, they have to provide proof that they can remain awake past 9:00 p.m.

I'm sure that one of the regulars on LGF would be acceptable.

79 Sofia  5/26/04 8:04:29 am reply quote

#74

LoL

Well i really wanted to live there.
Duno if i´m worthy really...

And ye the description fits the gall...

80 DarthMaulrulesok  5/26/04 8:05:28 am reply quote

Round up all members of AI we can find, ship them all to Gitmo :)

That will teach them a lesson

///sarcasm tag.

Seriously, when AI devotes the most column inches to the worst abuses, say, slavery and genocide in the Sudan, THEN maybe they will be worth listening to.

Until then, stuff the bastards.

81 Pamela  5/26/04 8:06:10 am reply quote

#11 Pamela 5/26/2004 09:08AM PST

PS- I wonder how much in kickbacks the ACLU gets from the UN?

Sorry everyone I mean AI, but I am pissed at the ACLU for other reasons

82 Powderfinger  5/26/04 8:07:13 am reply quote

#39 Athos

Jeez, give them a break. One report that gets media attention, and you guys all go crazy.

Sure, it's only their annual report on human rights abuses. So what if it stars the United States of America. So what if we've spent the last two years removing two of the most horrendous human rights violating regimes in the world. So what if our foreign aid exceeds the GDP of 97% of the countries in the world. So what if we've put hundreds American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars into turning those countries into functional, representative societies as opposed to letting them remain their dictators' personal hellholes.

Let's be nice and let them call us monsters while the Sudanese, Saudis and Iranians clap....

Oh wait! We're vicious human rights abusing bastards! Fuck 'em, and I don't care who hears it.

83 RIP Ford  5/26/04 8:08:24 am reply quote

Sofia

LOL

We need a LGF dating service. :P

84 SwampWoman  5/26/04 8:08:24 am reply quote
“bankrupt of vision and bereft of principle”

Ah likes it! I think I'm gonna make me a T-shirt with that phrase on it this weekend. Yeeha! Ooooh, that would look kinda sweet on a resume, too. So....poetic!

85 gd  5/26/04 8:09:57 am reply quote

#68 zulubaby:

I think your question is probably specious, and definitely flamebait, but I'll answer it anyway.

You say:

When have they ever called for a "thorough and independent investigation" into the cold-blooded mass-murder of Jews?

To which the answer must be "quite a few times". For example:

The organization also reiterates its call on the Palestinian Authority (PA) to take all possible measures to prevent such attacks and to ensure that thorough and impartial investigations are carried out and those responsible for planning, organizing or carrying out such attacks are brought to justice in trials which meet international standards of fairness.

(AI condemns murder of woman and her four daughters by Palestinian gunmen)

OK, it doesn't actually say anything about "cold-blooded mass-murder of jews", but you get the point.

I don't think you are familiar wtih amnesty internationals work, otherwise you wouldn't make such outrageous statements. (Full disclosure, I am a member)

86 quark2  5/26/04 8:10:01 am reply quote

@66 RIP Ford

No, but I understand from a message he left with someone else he's taking a couple of weeks off. Vacation and to heal his ribs. I hope we hear from him after the 27th of this month. NO ONE has heard a word from him so far.

Did you get to put evariste under the table on your visit? :)

87 Jheka  5/26/04 8:10:53 am reply quote

This reminds me of the idiot reporter who, a couple of days ago, asked Tony Blair a question to the effect of "who are we to question China's himan rights record in light of our participation in the Iraq coalition?"

Morons and enemies. Sometimes, with luck, both.

88 Sofia  5/26/04 8:11:41 am reply quote

#78

Ye your rigth.
The idea of being one day an American citizen got over me...I dishonered the sisterhood, sorry...

Well one of the LGF regular readers would be just fine!

PS: Must really, REALLY, hate the french!
I´m sorry just can´t stand'em here in PT.
Napolean, invasion, you know the story.
Here in Porto, where I live, we even have a statue with a lion (the britsh) crushing an eagle (the french napoleonic eagle not the american...) celebrating the getting rid of them...I love it. Ztupid fwench!

89 Short Fat Corporal  5/26/04 8:12:40 am reply quote

#54 Sophia
#78 Swampwoman

uhhhh, I'm 35 and can stay awake past 9pm, thank you very much :)

9:15 at the very least ;>

90 FabioC.  5/26/04 8:13:39 am reply quote

Again, AI (not Artificial Intelligence) is showing its anti-US (anti anti-globalisation, anti-capitalist etc.) agenda.

Not because American citizens and soldiers are saints and never did anything bad or wrong. Here the bias is in the space devoted to one story and the others, but also at a deeper level: AI considers the War on Islamism the single biggest violation of human rights (well, maybe after Nazism and Stalinism, hopefully). The don't think of it as a war of Liberal Democracy vs. Totalitarianism, when bad and wrong things do happen even if one does not want. No, they think it's another imperialistic war of the Western White Men against the Poor Brown People.

This is why AI is accelarating down the toilet pipe.

91 SwampWoman  5/26/04 8:15:15 am reply quote

"Bankrupt of Vision"....check. I do wear eyeglasses and if I can ever get over that irrational (?) fear of somebody vaporizin' on my eye with a laser, maybe I can have a surfeit of vision!

"Bereft of Principle".... not hardly. I live by the Pleasure Principle.

92 Keelie  5/26/04 8:16:08 am reply quote

Breathless - that's what I am.

It's hard to comprehend this level of hypocrisy.

Alice in Wonderland made more sense.

93 RIP Ford  5/26/04 8:17:29 am reply quote

Where did my post go?
{starting over}

94 Clutch  5/26/04 8:17:36 am reply quote

F*ck AI. They are as morally bankrupt as the friggin' UN.

95 Keelie  5/26/04 8:20:13 am reply quote

#8 - Veil all Camels Now

Problem is, Amnesty International has such huge, mindless, credibility all over the (Western) world. Most people wouldn't doubt what they say for a second.

96 RIP Ford  5/26/04 8:20:49 am reply quote

#86 quark2,

Thanks for the info on realwest, I guess nothings changed.

The road trip to Chicago in next month, we'll be toasting LGF. More than once, I might add. I'm driving out to Tampa for the day this weekend to pick up a camper. 4000 miles in a month will be a little rough now that I've gotten a little older. I did do 5000 miles in 2 weeks back in college. Doubt I could pull that off again.

97 Renna  5/26/04 8:22:13 am reply quote

#82 Powderfinger - and I believe what you listed is only what our official government does. Add to that all the private corporate, religious, and other charities that send food, build hospitals, rush to emergencies, etc. And also all the US funds that go to international private and non-private organizations.

98 andthenblammo!  5/26/04 8:22:25 am reply quote

#86 quark2:

The Chicagoland LGF meetup is in the future, Thursday, June 17th, 3 pm on, at a classic Chicaga bar in the Clark and Belmont area. Interested parties may email me to find out the exact location. From the response so far, I predict that hilarity will ensue. Be there or be square!

I'm still working on a recognition scheme, but panties on the head have already been ruled RIGHT OUT!

99 LtTw  5/26/04 8:27:55 am reply quote

Late to the party....

#5: Public Opinion ‘Super Power’ Against U.S.: Chomsky--Visualize Whirled Peas!

#6: Self-defense, self-interest, failure to leap into the sea alongside everyone with a single Jewish gene....

#18 Troy from Australia
I'm so jealous of you guys

Don't worry, there's plenty of Islogic to go around! (Oh, wait--might be time to show a *bit* of concern....)

26 David Simon
..."virtually paralyzed"

Think it has something to do with the potholes? New York City uses old VW Bugs as filler, you know.... :^p

#30 Spiny Norman 5/26/2004 09:14AM PST
Amnesty International does not care a whit about horrors committed in the Third World, unless those horrors can be "traced" back to the US.

WHAT?!?!? There are horrors that *can't* be traced back to the U.S.?!?! Put the fix in at once! No kibble until all horrors are rerouted back to the U.S.!

100 Beagle  5/26/04 8:28:06 am reply quote

#50 Colt

I love to provide the good news, if it is. Hard to spin "crimes against humanity," I used to think.

The organization branded the Palestinians' attacks against Israeli civilians as "crimes against humanity," Israel Radio reported.

Anyone see a flaw? I don't trust much any more from many organizations.

Maybe they mean it? I know, I know...

101 SoCalJustice  5/26/04 8:28:32 am reply quote

(#85) gd writes:

(Full disclosure, I am a member)

Do you mind if I ask for more disclosure?

How would you characterize your feelings upon finding out this:

The 339-page document, detailing the human rights situation in 157 nations and territories, reserved the most column inches for the United States, with almost as many critical words also meted out to Russia and China.

Do you feel good about yourself and your organization?

102 andthenblammo!  5/26/04 8:31:20 am reply quote

Do the mainland Chinese still bill the families of executed "criminals" for the cartridges used for the execution? That always struck me as cold, man, neutron cold.

103 zulubaby  5/26/04 8:31:35 am reply quote

gd (#85)

To which the answer must be "quite a few times".

I remember that the EU condemned those murders, the UN refused to, and I wasn't aware of AI condemning it. Do you have other examples or just that one?

I think your question is probably specious, and definitely flamebait

Actually, it wasn't, and your sarky attitude isn't helping any, I'll tell you that much.

104 Geepers  5/26/04 8:32:10 am reply quote

Swampwoman (#78),

"must practice personal hygiene"

You're setting the bar pretty high, aren't you? ;-)

105 Grant Drive  5/26/04 8:40:25 am reply quote

Here's why I hate Bush-haters like the transnationalist bastards at Amnesty International:

Every Bush-hater is an accessory to the Islamofascists, and thus a direct threat to me, my country, and the bountiful, rational, tolerant, inclusive culture which nurtures us.

106 visitor  5/26/04 8:47:00 am reply quote
#6 Rigth Wing Animator(Reaganite's Kid)

So where were these guys when Iraq was a major violator of human rights...

I worked with Amnesty in the late 1980s. One of their big campaigns in 1987/88 was "Stop Supporting Saddam".

107 SwampWoman  5/26/04 8:47:34 am reply quote

#104 Geepers

Well, maybe I am, but I'm the eternal optimist. I thought the "reading without moving lips" one would be more difficult to fill. The good ol' boys 'round here know that when they out huntin' fer wimmen, they got to shower and shave, put on smelly man perfume and a clean shirt, maybe even sweep the beer cans out of the back of the truck and wash out the spit cup.

108 LtTw  5/26/04 8:54:10 am