I read this in The New York Sun today. Nader is a fascist creep just like his new firend Buchanan. He is supposed to be of Lebanese descent but I'll bet he has Philistinian blood in him.

I wonder if his Lebanese background influences him...

Jew-hating POS.

Hey, as long as it endears him to more lefties, I don't give a crap.

Tell us about the blood-soaked matzohs now, Ralph.

Unbelievable.

Ralph Nader: Unsafe at any mental speed.

Sorry for the language, but...

...that is just in-fucking-credible...

Nader also was reported to have said:

"Now if you were to take this tin foil hat I'm wearing and turn it precisely this way facing Venus..."

Nader channelling Chomsky.

OT OT OT

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

Hillary for VP? NOOO

I can't believe I still get astonished by these monsters...

And since it is bad taste to say it, I will say it: Nader is arab-American, isn't he ?

The Left has been fatally compromised by Jew-hatred in the guise of anti-Zionism. Ralph Nader just drives home that point home.

OT: Shootout at the Riyadh corral. Must be those damn Zionists again.

Wait, haven't I heard similar sentiments before? Oh, that's right, in my bedside copy of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

The Washington Peace Show? I saw that in the late 70s. It sucked. It also gave us spinoffs like:
"The Sandinista Sit-com" starring the Ortega Brothers
"It's a mad, mad, mad, mad mullah!" featuring the Fresh Ayatollah of Al-Paris
and the highly acclaimed mini-series "The Kremlin goes to Kabul".

I hope Hitlary does get the VP nod--it would bury Kerry.

Pat Buchanan did a fawning interview with Nader in the misaptly named The American Conservative. There has not been such a meeting of anti Semtiic minds since the Nazi-Soviet pact of August 1939.

#4 ceccarelli

I agree. If Nader were more serious I'd be more up-in-arms. As it is maybe this "speaking truth to power" schtick will help Move On types away from the invisible man.

Shhh! If you let this get around, the great confused fence-sitters out there might vote for Kerry instead of Nader.

Remember, a dimwit voting for Nader helps the US, by defeating Kerry.

Nader is of ME extraction, no?

It is time for the Washington puppet show to be replaced by the Washington peace show.”

Anyway he forgot about the $2 billion Egypt is getting each year to allow the smuggling of arms and explosives from Egyptian territory into Gaza and Israel proper.
Great way to keep the map from tearing.

Nader's roots are showing. Very soon he'll explode, and we won't be subjected to his crap anymore.

Michael Moore will, too, but for different reasons.

Interesting, but I think it's Nader that needs replacement. His brain for starters. It seems that it's unsafe for neural activities.

He's full tilt engaged in conspiracy theories, wacky babble about Jews, and other such nonsense completely unsupported by facts, logic, and reasoning. Oh wait, that's what the L3 has been reduced to.

OT: This disgusting 'ad' appears on the back of the latest issue of The Nation.

Nader's sister Laura is an Anthropology prof in Berkeley. She's a notorious conspiracy theorist. If an anthropologist can be a conspiracy theorist, why not a politico?

no more wondering here where the muslogloid vote is going to go. Let the dems cry that Nader stole their jew haters.

I was watching this on C-Span yesterday.

It was a panel discussion titled "The Muslim Vote Election 2004."

Also on the panel:

Nihad "I am a supporter of Hamas" Awad, co-founder of CAIR.

Former Ambassador and current Arabist Edward Peck.

Eugene Bird, President of Paul Findley's anti-Israel group, Council for the National Interest.

There was also one guy from MPAC and another Imam who clearly thought Muslims should vote for Ralph Nader.

I believe I called this one earlier today in a comment where I said that the Muslim vote is either Nader's or nobody's.

And I hadn't even heard these comments, but I did catch a glimpse of CSPAN and Nader spoke, the head scarves knodded.

Besides the anti-semitism, there is the same ol' assigning of motives - the White House and Congress can't be supporting Israel because of their principles. It just *must* be because they are being controlled. That's *really* why they vote they way they do.

It also amazes me that he can think the opposite of support for Israel is the support for peace.

Yes, this is classic 1930s style national socialist anti-semitism, including that reference to 'taking back billions of taxpayer dollars'.

When are people going to wake up that 'the left' with all their media manipulation, lies, propaganda, street violence, hollow slogans, flag waving, shouting speeches and intimidation of dissent are just plain old fascists.

#23 scaramouche

Funny that the Nation Magazine would choose that ad considering the Nation Institute runs that website. I blog, I blog. :)

re: #25
Oops, I meant to capitalize "Jew."
Oops, I didn't meant to capitalize Nader, until he stops his Jew/Israel hatred.

Nader seems to be trying to get Pat Buchanan to sign up for his VP slot.

C'mon, he's not an anti-Semite; he's an anti-Zionist. There's a huge difference, I'm sure...on Venus or wherever he comes from.

Nader's vaguely reminds me of Geraldo Rivera at this point: used to have a career based upon promoting the public interest (don't laugh -- remember the Willowbrook State Hospital expose). Now just a huge joke. Of course, Nader held on to respectability longer, actually believes in his cause over money, and is willing to be the butt of a joke (his innumerable Saturday Night Live appearances).

I'm happy he said this. Anything to split the nutjob (umm, make that nutjobbier) wing of the Democratic party away from Kerry come November.

Let's have a Nader- Buchanon ticket!
What a vile couple of creeps. Nader almost makes Kerry look good.

This sounds like Germany circa 1930s... "Jews are the root of all our problems and wars, blah blah blah."

Speaking of Michael Moore, when is Dr. Phil going to do an intervention?

I've revised Nader's quote to better reflect reality:

“What has been happening over the years is a predictable routine of foreign visitation from the head of the Saudi Arabian government. The Saudi Arabian puppeteer travels to Washington. The Saudi Arabian puppeteer meets with the puppet in the White House, and then moves down Pennsylvania Avenue, and meets with the puppets in Congress. And then takes back billions of taxpayer dollars. It is time for the Washington puppet show to be replaced by the Washington peace show.”

#24 veebee 

Nader's sister Laura is an Anthropology prof in Berkeley. She's a notorious conspiracy theorist. If an anthropologist can be a conspiracy theorist, why not a politico?

Wait a minute. If his sister is at Berkeley teaching anthropology, maybe he used a time machine in the future to change the past and then told his sister what he did and she is now trying to bring that evidence from the past into the mainstream to help him be in the right place to use the time machine in the future. And that means he will already have seen the Simpsons final episode.

Michael Moore and Moveon.org are more afraid of Nader than they are Bush. The crux of their current drive is to not get people to vote against Bush, but to convince people not for Nader.

Seriously, go mess with moveon.orgy disciples. When they say "vote against Bush" tell them you are "voting for Nader". Then when they say "No, vote against Nader" tell them then you are "voting for Bush". Trap them into saying "Vote for Kerry" and then bring up the FEC election laws.

The Left seems to be fixated on puppets, from Nader's puppet/puppeteer shtick to the giant puppet heads the "peace marchers" like to parade around with. I'm sure there's some deep-seated psychological reason for this recurring motif. Could it be an unconscious identification with helpless, inanimate creatures whose heads are filled with sawdust?

#2 IDFDave

I've been browsing your photos - are all IDF female instructors this hot? :-)

J-damn,
Don't forget the blockbuster movie "The Color of Death" starring those Jihadi brothers

Three words for you, Ralphie boy:

Ma fish Falistin

There is no Palestine. Never will be, either.

Now, crawl back to your puppet-master and ask him to turn you into a real boy.

Well, the Muslims want to place their own puppets into power in Washington (and in Jerusalem) and if we don't wake up from our PC dream-state, we're going to be swallowed.

Interestingly, I have read that Muslims in France are acquiring mundane jobs at local municipalities... that give them the nickel and dime power of approving (or not) building licenses, parking spaces etc...
C.

SBS journalist feared kidnapped
July 1, 2004

AN Australian journalist and film-maker was feared kidnapped by Islamic militants in Afghanistan last night.

Carmela Baranowska, 35, of SBS Television, checked out of a hotel in the southern Afghan city of Kandahar on Sunday and left in a 4WD with an assistant and driver.

Witnesses said she was wearing the all-encompassing burqa worn by many Afghan women.

It was unclear where they were headed. Calls to her satellite telephone were unsuccessful yesterday.

ABC on-line reported last night that Jalani Khan, head of security in Zabul province, said he had received an intelligence report that a vehicle used by Baranowska, of Melbourne, had broken down on the main road between the towns of Girishk and Kandahar.

#1 Joel

>>>> “He is supposed to be of Lebanese descent but I'll bet he has Philistinian blood in him.”

Lebanon has been invented by the French colonialists as an entity in a predominately Christian region of Syria. Hence, there are no distinct Lebanese people. Similarly, there are no distinct “Palestinian” people. Theredore, no person has Palestinian or Lebanese blood. Lebanese and “Palestinians” are just Arabs by ethnicity, language and culture.

I think that Joel’s comment is another distressing evidence of the enormous effectiveness of the Arab propaganda. The Arabs have managed to convince most of the world that a “Palestinian people” does exist and hence has a right for self-determination and statehood.

Instead, let's put Nader in charge of the $2 BILLION in Foreign aid we give to Egyptians, who are being gyp'ed out of sufficient money to produce their anti-Semitic Textbooks, Movies, and of course hit songs.

Wow. I have never associated Nader with this particular brand of lunacy. It ought to win him some voted on the left.

O/T:

Have you guys seen the strange story about the abducted Marine and the speculation that he is a deserter? Very strange (and hopefully, for several reasons, untrue). It would answer the question (discussed at some length in a previous LGF thread) of how a Marine gets abducted off of a base.

..these are scary times to be Jewish. I have never felt intimidated or frightened walking around Boston wearing a yamulke...but now..but now...I am not so sure..these are scary times to be Jewish...

Dovid

but actually one of the only sane voices on LGF.

Hahahahahahaha!!! Hahahaha!! Haha! Ha...

(Oh, you were serious?!)

It is a funny world we live in where I hope many people vote for an anti-semite - only because it will help Bush.

I agree with the posters who suggest that we not weaken Nader, as that strengthens Kerry. Ixnay on the Nader exposés.

Since I am swimming in an ocean of moonbattery (SF Bay Area + LLL siblings) my personal election strategy is to tell people that I am voting for Nader because I don't want a billionaire in the people's white house. It's only half true, but I can live with it.

Utterly disgusting, but also utterly unsurprising.

The demonization of Israel by the left -permeating just about every leftist writer, speaker and poltician and often rife with explicit anti-Semitism - is one of the more remarkable developments in recent Jewish history.

Those socialist Zionist pioneers are spinning in their graves.

Maybe Nader is reading too much of the "mainstream Arab Arab press.

Or maybe too much Chomsky. Same difference.

#46 Bubbaman

Funny - I was thinking about Egypt too... So I guess that makes Egypt a puppetteer too? Hey - maybe we've discovered that illusive "root cause" for all that anger - they aren't being allowed to pull as many strings as they want to!

Darth Nader stricks again. Lebanese bastard that he is, what else do you expect. In proof that he would lean towards his homeland of lebanon, shows that the war on the media is the great war of this era. To think that he is running for Pres. is crazy.

Nader is obviously trying to take some of the Indymedia voters away from Kerry.

Jews of America

It is your duty to make sure nader, kerry and the rest of the islamaleft, are soundly defeated in November.

I'm surprised that a kerry or a nader or a gore hasn't co-opted Reagans famous line "Mr. Sharon, tear down this wall", YET.

Ouch, Nader's gonna cost Kerry voters he desperately wants to cultivate.

Personally, I think Nader's gonna bow out. It could be interesting though if he "costs" Kerry the election. And let's be real, if Kerry only wins five states the story will still be "Nader cost us the election." At any rate if it happens, it should force the Dems either further to the right or further to the left so they can't be out-flanked like that again. And in either case America wins, because the Dems will be utterly electable if they move further left. Hell, even Castro will start saying they've gone too far.

#48

but I have a carry license

But David says he lives in Boston; just owning a gun, let alone getting a carry license, is not easy in Mass.

Nader just lost gained 3% in the polls with that comment. The whacko lefties just LOVE the 'puppet' meme, makes'em all warm and tingly inside.

Now I'm confused.

Michael Moore says that President Bush is in the pocket of the Saudis. Ralph Nadar says that President Bush is a puppet of Israel. Al Qeada say that the Saudis are puppets of the United States. And the Saudis say that Zionists are behind the recent terrorism in Saudi Arabia (even though Islamic terrorists openly take credit).

...excuse me while I bang my head against the wall.

#52 BPP:

The demonization of Israel by the left -permeating just about every leftist writer, speaker and poltician and often rife with explicit anti-Semitism - is one of the more remarkable developments in recent Jewish history.

Those socialist Zionist pioneers are spinning in their graves.

Yeah, because the National Socialists and Soviets used to be such staunch friends and allies of the world's Jews. Why exactly are you peddling this myth? I think it was Roger Simon that somewhat recently came to the conclusion that "Just yesterday the left started hassling Jews." Apologies to RS if it is someone else I was thinking of.

"Nadir" hits a new low...

#62 Ringo the Gringo:

Don't you see? Clearly the Jews control Saudi Arabia. It's obvious.

Let him rant and rave all he wants. Nader is a flake and his words are irrelevant. The only purpose he serves is taking the looniest left votes away from Kerry, and for that we should be grateful.

What about all the "puppets" who give money to Egypt and the Palestinian authority? Does that count.

I'll take slight agreement with Nader in the abstract - we DO need to get our government to stop hosing the American tax payer by giving money to anti-American regimes. So then, Israel is clearly not the problem.

But the left feels if we simply "drop Israel" the poor victim Arabs will car swarm Israel into non-existence & all of our problems will disappear. sure.

Nader is just another jew-hating left-wing a-hole.

#65 Jheka

Thanks...It all makes sense now.

Re: #40 Colt

Regarding IDF women - here is a better link.

[Link: www.axelraben.com...]

Regarding Nader: I expect he knows very much about puppets and puppeteers since he is one half of the Punch and Judy show. You can speculate who would be Judy.

#48 try being me. I get profiled and harassed by the police almost ever where I go. Try getting on an airplane with me and see what extra attention I receive due to my skin color. So quit your whinning and be glad that you are an American. Thats the only thing that keeps me from going off the deep end everytime I get profiled. I tell my self its not personal, people are just on edge thes days, they are just paranoid. I have had 3 instances this month where people called the police on me because I looked like a terrorist, all I was doing was walking down the street in Downtown. Now go thru that every month for the last 2 years and with no end in site. I have to stand there while 3-4 police officers ask me what am I doing, they want my ID, want to see what I have in my pockets. People gather around and start to stare, and why am I being stopped? Because someone called and thought I was a terrorist. At least you can remove your little hat, so please stop the Jewish whinning thing.

Didn't the Nazis also evolve out of the Greens in the 1920's-30's?

Googling it...

from PALESTINIAN MEDIA WATCH

PA Denies Voting Rights to Refugees
for Political Purposes

A striking decision by the Palestinian Authority (PA) will deprive Palestinian occupants of refugee camps of their basic democratic right to vote in the upcoming local elections. This is another step in the long history of Arab leaders abusing camp residents as pawns for political gain.

Since Israel’s creation the Arab world has actively prevented a humanitarian solution for Arab refugees who left Israel during Israel’s War of Independence. For example, Lebanon still prohibits camp residents from owning homes or businesses outside the camps, condemning them to perpetual economic and social hardship.

According to the PA leadership this denial of the right to vote is being done to highlight the “unique status” of the refugee camps.

Funny, the Israelis can't even agree on the fence.

I think anti-Semites are far more organized myself.

He's an Egyptian...

Hello, #70

You care to explain how you know that it's just the Jews here that are whining?

At least you can remove your little hat, so please stop the Jewish whinning thing.

What kind of "little hat" do you wear?

Back on topic-how important is Ralph Nader in American political life?

A good lesson on small sample size, anecdotal rather than scientific data, or however you want to frame it. Every single person I know who is thinking of voting for Nader (about 6-8) would otherwise vote for Bush. Of course, they all think of him as that nice consumer activists who makes sure Barbie dolls don't have sharp edges or something.

Of course, I printed out about 20 pages of his quotes and stories on him and converted back at least one.

#70

so please stop the Jewish whinning thing.

You mean, like the Holocaust? It was about wearing yarmulke?

Btw, my sister always gets searched when she gets on an airplane, and she flies several times a month. I suppose she looks like she could be an Arab, and she has an accent. (Me on the other hand, I don't always get searched on the orange alert. I'm not sure I'm happy about it either.)

#40 Colt

More evidence that the answer is yes.

Because someone called and thought I was a terrorist.

Maybe try something from Hermes instead of the kaffiya?

I happen to enjoy getting questioned by El Al staff in particular-you know-the hulking, ex-army captain male ones? I got all the time in the world for them!

OT - Pope says sorry for crusaders' rampage in 1204

#15

I hope Hitlary does get the VP nod--it would bury Kerry.

You think?

I would think that this might help Kerry. The brainless retards on the left would vote for Kerry in hopes of setting Hilary up for Pres in 2008. This way Kerry is guaranteed to beat Bush in 2004 and the Skank will be set up for 2008.

?

ploome, Hermes too good? LOL.

63 Model4

Why exactly are you peddling this myth? I think it was Roger Simon that somewhat recently came to the conclusion that "Just yesterday the left started hassling Jews." Apologies to RS if it is someone else I was thinking of.

Are you denying that the early Zionists were largely socialist in their ideological orientation?

Are you denying that for the first half (at least) of its existence, Israel was a cause that was largely embraced by the left? Wasn't it (gasp, shock, horror) the French who were the biggest suppliers of arms in the 50s and 60s?

Isn't it possible that Jews could be BOTH victims of Soviet anti-Semitism and socialist?

The point I was trying to make is that if the early Zionists could see how anti-Semitism has infected the left in general, all around the world, it would surely cause great sadness.

#90 H-Town

Nothing energizes the right like putting a Clinton on the ballot. You want to see some asploiding? Please, please, please, please nominate Hillareek.

My beautiful Dutch friend used to get strip searched
whenever she flew. I quess the customs guys were just being careful, you never know what a 100 pound blond haired blue eyed 5'7' dutch woman might have hidden
under her tight clothing. (And this was before 9/11)

#70

Please...

I recently traveled to Orlando with my family, and my wife, sister, 20 month old son, and I all got searched. All peach colored Southerners, three out of four with deep blue eyes. The one with brown eyes is currently a full lieutenant in the US Navy Reserves. We got taken aside and searched both going down and coming back. Get over it already.

This is pure Nazi-style propaganda. Goebbels too spoke extensively about Jewish "marionette regimes" in the United States, England and the Soviet Union.

This really is history repeating itself.

#93 BPP

I cross honorary Ben Gurion Blvd, otherwise known as Franklin St, in the Chicaog loop everyday. I look at the sign and think to myself "where's the rational left".

Socialism historians may find that Israeli Socialism is unique from it's European cousins.

#45 GH

I never siad Palestinian as terms of ethnicity. I meant to say that I'll bet that Nader's family background goes back to what is known as the West Bank. I do not want to paly semantics.

Zilly (#71): You're not making much sense there, dude, but I have to comment on this:

Chomsky believes in a fair two state solution as most Israeli do. This is not antisemitism.

1) There is nothing "fair" about the two-state "solution" -- which is, of course, no solution at all, but simply a "phase" of the plan for Israel's complete destruction. The fact that a lot of Israelis support it -- regardless of whether or not it is true -- is of little relevance: a lot of Israelis supported Oslo as well.

2) Chomsky, in fact, is NOT a supporter of the above. He is in favor of a (so-called) "one-state solution" -- where the Jewish state gets obliterated both demographically and violently.

3)And yes, both Nader and Chomsky are antisemites.

I too get singled out for secondary inspection. It doesn't bother me at all.

#72 Cool Dood:

Didn't the Nazis also evolve out of the Greens in the 1920's-30's?

The Greens didn't exist in the 20-30s; they were invented in the 1980s as a front for the discredited European communist parties (litterally, check history).

The nazi evolved from socialist, communist (Hitler even was a group leader in the Munich Radenrepublik 1919), anarchist, syndicaists, catholic corporatist and other groups. All these groups were anti-capitalist and anti-liberal (=classic liberalism). Many of these groups looked a lot like current leftists, in style, attitude, methods and of course their ideology.

There was a group called the Wandervogeln, which was supposedly a hippie-like youth group of nature worshippers that was later incorporated in the Hitler Jugend. Don't know a lot about them though.

Hitler of course was a vegetarian

Bottlm line on Nader and 98% of other arab-americans:

You can take an arab out of the desert, but you can't take the jew-hatred out of the arab.

Is that hate speach?

#94

Damn good point.

#97 Pooh

Exactly! BTW, Goebbels was considered to be on the (socialist) leftwing of the nazi movement.

#16 Joel

"Pat Buchanan did a fawning interview with Nader in the misaptly named The American Conservative."

Otherwise known as Der Sturmer.

ploome #103 LOL!

#80 ploome hineni

My guess is that they haven't yet posted it to their website. The article came my email subscription.
Check your email, I forwarded you a copy.

Thanks for posting this.

As a former Nader supporter, I wish I could say I'm surprised. These views were not publicized in 1996 and 2000, of course, but I blame myself for not having dug deeper. I'm sure the information was available then too.

Not all Greens are anti-Semites, but many are. In the GP's defense I'll point out that European Greens have taken strong and unequivocal stands against anti-Semitism and anti-Israelism.

72 / Cool Dood,

No. The Greens originated in New Zealand and quickly spread to Europe, where they first gained political prominence in West Germany in the 1970s. Like many leftist groups, the GP split into two factions, moderates ("realos") and extremists ("fundis"). A recent biography of Joschka Fischer - I'll try to dig up the title - gives an overview of the GP's history in the context of leftist politics. Also some important points on anti-Semitism and the GP.

#71 Zilly

Chomsky believes in a fair two state solution as most Israeli do.

I used to hold some hope of that, but the aftermath of Oslo and the intifada have convinced me otherwise.

Everyone has a right to their opinion and I respect yours, but I'm not very impressed by moral posturing.

#108 Zilly

Just who does Israel belong too? You and me?

Great point. I guess that will mean the two-state solution will work.

#93 BPP:

This is an interesting point. See also German Jews like Herbert Marcuse fleeing the nazis and basically importing nazi ideology minus antisemitism into the US. All the left is doing now is adding back the missing ingredients...

#70,

Waahhh!!! Big deal.

My Indian friend (who has been mistaken for a person from Afganistan or the Middle East) flew on a business trip a few weeks after 9-11. He'll never forget the hundreds of pairs of eyes that stared in his direction whenever he got up to go to the restroom. But rather than moaning and groaning about it, it's now among his numerous humorous stories that he likes to tell (sometimes with an Indian accent).

#109 Pooh

Isn't that magazine one of the most disgusting pieces of dreck you have ever loked at?

Zilly:
Noam Chomsky does not believe in a two state solution. Anyone peddling that line is willfully blind or just plain iignorant due to inbreeding. Chomsky wants the destruction of Israel.

Comment re Hitler the vegetarian: He wasn't a vegetarian out of principle. He was a vegetarian because his stomach bothered him a lot. Here. Nothing to do with "Green" notions.

#112 asher abrams:

In the GP's defense I'll point out that European Greens have taken strong and unequivocal stands against anti-Semitism and anti-Israelism.

Bullshit! In the Netherlands at least the greens are fervently pro-palestinian and pro-islam

Zilly:

Of little relevance? Really. Just who does Israel belong too? You and me?

Of little relevance to the actual state of things. As Oslo has amply demonstrated, Israelis are prone to succumb to suicidal delusions* -- but, of course, they are perfectly free to do so. Israel belongs to Israelis: I'm just offering my (concerned) opinion.

---
*Not that I'm in a position to hold that against an average Israeli, who simply wants a peaceful life. It must be barely imaginable hell to be the most hated fraction of the most hated people on the God's fucking Earth -- and the lure of the wishful thinking (coupled with Peres/Beilin's outright perfidy) must have been just too powerful.

Re: #89 Titus

You should have pointed out that the Pope apologized for the sacking of Constantinople during this Fourth Crusade. Also key is the comment that this plundering may also helped bring about the collapse of the Christian Byzantine civilization. Not something for the western Christian church to be proud of.

gee, i was actually thinking this was good... this will k3rry back towards the left, and probably wreck his chances... presuming the LLLs start deserting k3rry for n^der in any kind of numbers.

zilly
Registered lizardoid since: 06/30/04 10:39:46 AM

posted #71 Zilly 6/30/2004 10:52AM PST

It is in the nature of Jewish culture to be liberal which is why most Jews will vote Democratic as they have year after year, election after election.

Reagan got 40% of the Jewish vote, not bad, huh?

Nader is closer to Chomsky in his view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and stands in the ultraLeft as against the Israeli Right and Labor to the extent that it is in harmony with the Right. Chomsky believes in a fair two state solution as most Israeli do. This is not antisemitism. It's antiright wing extremism.

Well, yes, Nader is a Chomskyate, and Chomsky is a self-hating Jew. Nader exposed himself as an anti-Semite in the comments above. I'm not sure why you believe that Chomsky wants a two-state solution, btw. He wants what Arabs want, destruction of Israel. See here: [Link: blog.zmag.org...]
I'm not sure why you consider opposition to two-state solution right wing extremism. I call it realpolitik. Perhaps you should stick around and learn more.

This anti-semitism seems to be a feature of failed humans like Buchanan and Nader, French politicians and French-Canadians in general. One of the latter, the late Pierre Pelardeau was wont to say that Jews took up too much place in the world - i.e. they were too successful for his liking. One could point out that his compatriots, French-Canadians, take up too much space in the government of Canada, almost all senior civil servant positions being filled by otherwise unemployable French-Canadians. The kicker is the bilingual requirement which means that any French-Canadian can mangle English but any English Canadian aspiring to a top job must speak French perfectly enough to be accepted into l'academie francaise. Here's the rule - wannabe egotists with nothing to offer are usually anti-semites. People who've accomplished something even if it's limited to winning the Pillsbury bakeoff, are not.

Wow. This is the second time in a little more than week that Nadir (spelling intentional) has spouted this boilerplate hate. He also did so on June 22nd in an interview with the UAE's Al Khaleej newspaper.

Nadir, having lost so much cred since 2000, and precipitously falling away from what little relevance he had in this election, is doing what he can to shore up his Leftist bona fides. You see, he knows that playing to anti-Israel conspiratorial hate can only benefit him among his "base".

This is just one more example of the algorithmic anti-Semitism of the Left.

One state solution...yeah, one global islamic state.

Zilly

Just who does Israel belong too?

You don't know?

115 Peter Verkooijen

"See also German Jews like Herbert Marcuse fleeing the nazis and basically importing nazi ideology minus antisemitism into the US. All the left is doing now is adding back the missing ingredients..."

Ah, the Jews - including those who were forced to flee Nazi Germany - are even responsible for Nazi ideology.

With this kind of utterly demented thinking, you could give Goebbels himself a run for his money in the "let's pervert history" stakes.

115 Peter Verkooijen

importing nazi ideology minus antisemitism

Anti-Semitism is a central feature of Nazi ideology. Nazism without anti-Semitism is like capitalism without private ownership.

Top Ten Questions Ralph Nader Asked Potential Running Mates:

10. Are you here because you lost a bet?
9. If I pick you, do you promise to vote for us?
8. In case anybody asks, can you think of a reason I'm running?
7. Are you sure you won't be intimidated by my dazzling charisma?
6. Wanna drop out of the race and go to Massachusetts to get hitched?
5. Is it okay if I pay you in grocery coupons?
4. Isn't this a step down for you, Mr. Gore?
3. Do you get nervous speaking in front of groups of 8 to 12 people?
2. Are you comfortable being the answer to a trivial pursuit question?
1. What's it like to be with a woman?

Thanks to David Letterman!

#124 veebee

"I'm not sure why you believe that Chomsky wants a two-state solution, btw. He wants what Arabs want, destruction of Israel"

He has suggested in recent years that he is in favour of a two-state solution. However, in the light of earlier comments and his absolute hatred of Israel, I'm sure you are correct, and what he is working for is the destruction of Israel.

I'm sure he has Michael Moores vote.

Actually, my analysis was premature. In both cases it seems that Nadir is pandering to Arab constituencies. Of course, this amounts to the same thing as shoring up his Leftist bona fides; he might have been trying to kill two birds with one filthy stone. Probably not, though. Probably just narrow strategy.

120 / Peter V,

No, really. Read about Gilles Lemaire in this article. I'm not claiming that there are no anti-Semites in the GP, but there are many who are not.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

HEY

I want to be searched by a buff ex-IDF El Al guy, too!

(WASP-y looking, 100 lbs., 5' tall and pouting.)

It runs in the family.

The wisdom of Ralph Nader's sister:

Do we really think there is no consequence of our double-standard foreign policy? One for Saddam Hussein, one for Ariel Sharon — both brutal men responsible for the death and destruction of innocent civilians.

71 Zilly

Chomsky believes in a fair two state solution as most Israeli do. This is not antisemitism. It's antiright wing extremism.

you're wrong about Chomsky and you're wrong about "most Israelis." Most Jewish Israelis (64%, according to a recent poll conducted by the pol sci dept. at Haifa University) want the government to deport all Arabs residing in Israel. These are Arabs with Israeli citizenship. Most Israelis oppose a Palestinian state. Most Israelis oppose the dismantling of any settlements in Judea and Samaria.

Wake up and smell the coffee. The days of Oslo are over.

Wow. He's really gunning for the Dem vote, isn't he? Watch out, Senator JoKe.

Anyone know the date Nader had his lobotomy?

Schroeder attacked the "highly dangerous" statements and yesterday warned that the Liberal Party - which is perceived by all the commentators as the senior partner in the next coalition - arouses doubts as to its ability to be part of the next government. Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer warned against the "Haiderization" of the FDP, and Claudia Roth, co-leader with Fischer of the Green Party, demanded the opening of a police investigation against Mollemann. Westerwelle, for his part, is proud of having led to the expulsion of Karsli within a week and of having expressed on behalf of the party reservations about Mollemann's statements.

source:
[Link: www.haaretzdaily.com...]

HEY LAZYTART!

6. Wanna drop out of the race and go to Massachusetts to get hitched?

(my dad was ex-IAF. That counts too, doesn't it?)

#140 ashan: That question kind of suggests that there was something to remove. Do you have any references to cite?

I'm not sure if I even support a two state solution anymore. I'd like to think that it would be the best thing, but unfortunately I don't think the Deathcult™ wants to govern. They have no effective police force. There isn't a justice system of any accountability. They tell me that Israel is to blame for this, but what is stopping them from building some sort of infrastructure to conduct these essential tasks?

The only thing stopping them is their own duplicity for "peace" and terror.

#130 veebee

"Anti-Semitism is a central feature of Nazi ideology. Nazism without anti-Semitism is like capitalism without private ownership."

The supposedly socialist elements in National Socialism (co-operatives instead of department stores, a VW for every worker etc. etc.) were merely a ruse by Hitler to gain popularity with the masses. The SA who actually believed this nonsense were effectively eliminated in 1934, and Nazi-type capitalism with the goverment and leading German entrepreneurs working hand-in-glove became the norm.

According to construction workers at Berchtesgaden in the mid-1930s, Hitler once strolled down from his house to give them a lecture about the absolute necessity of the powerful entrepreneurs to the German state, as opposed to individuals like them who were dispensable.

#143 BH
I'm sure I saw it somewhere. Nader said, "Ow, my aching head." Someone piped up, "Yeah, I saw a piece of it lying in the floor." Nader: "Well, at least it wasn't hacked off by my Saudi friends."

Articles on anti-Semitism, Fischer, and the GP also appeared in The New Republic (Berman) and Foreign Affairs (Markovits) in 2001. There are anti-Semitic and anti-anti-Semitic elements in the GP, both in Europe and in the US.

#124 veebee

"Most Jewish Israelis (64%, according to a recent poll conducted by the pol sci dept. at Haifa University) want the government to deport all Arabs residing in Israel."

No they do not.

What the poll did determine is that 64% of Israelis "believes that the government should encourage Israeli Arabs to emigrate from Israel." There is a very big difference between that and "deportation of all Arabs residing in Israel."

[Link: www.haaretzdaily.com...]

BPP & Model4 - There are remarkable differences between the several collectivisms. Without Soviet agreement the state of Israel wouldn't be recognized by the United Nations. Though the UN do everything they can to go back behind Gromyko, it was worse if we still were there. In regard to anti-Semitism and to the role of death in culture, the Soviets were not the same kind of metaphysically nihilist totalitarianism as the Nazis. And the current leftist anti-Semtism doesn't originate from either of them, it is driven by a post-1968 apocalyptic Antiimperialism under the guise of Antifascism whose ideological epicenter is in Europe.

Nader is a part of this, whether in the Green Party or independent. It is remarkable that a pro-Sharia candidate does a pro-gay-marriage campaign, and I wonder whether he really can get a vote with so much cognitive dissonance?!? Obviously that's the dissonance one must have to become an addict to the "puppet" meme.

I guess I don't see how it's anti-semitic to say that the Israeli government has influence in Washington.

I mean, first of all, is there truth to it?

Secondly, he's not saying that the Israelis are evil or sub-human or anything else that I consider anti-semitic. He's criticizing US government policy for allowing another government to have that much influence.

Are we not allowed to even criticize Israelis without being called anti-semitic?

I think some people are a little too quick to cry "anti-semitism" just because there was a criticism.

#118 Joel

"Isn't that magazine one of the most disgusting pieces of dreck you have ever loked at?"

Yes, and given it's being bankrolled by the original Jew-hating "poor little Greek boy" himself, the utterly odious Taki, that is not surprising.

Are we not allowed to even criticize Israelis without being called anti-semitic?

The simplest and most effective way to ensure it is to criticise Israel without being antisemitic.

#149 Leo

I think "apocalyptic Antiimperialism " comes close, but it's more than just imperialism that they oppose, it is civilization in general, more like what most of them call it, anarchism, but even that doesn't quite get it. The apocalyptic part is right on the money.

I think some people are a little too quick to cry "anti-semitism" just because there was a criticism.

Well, using words like 'puppeteer' and 'puppet' are a little different.

Puppeteers merely have 'influence' over puppets, and it's ok to criticize puppets when they allow their puppeteers to have too much 'influence'.

You're an idjit.

"Michael Moore says that President Bush is in the pocket of the Saudis. Ralph Nadar says that President Bush is a puppet of Israel. "

Michael Moore is somewhat correct that the Pre-911 President Bush was mildly in the pocket of the Saudis. Bush, after all, ran on the campaign - which recieved a majority of Muslim votes - of systematically reexamining our relations with the Jewish State.

And Ralph Nader is somewhat midly correct that the Post-911 President Bush is "a puppet of Israel."

What neither of those buffoons seem to realize is how astutely Bush - not as a leader but someone who can merely read polls - is reading the wishes of the electorate in the midst of the quiet revolution in the wake of 9-11.

Which is why personally I believe that Bush is headed for a reelection landslide. There are too many Americans like myself including the founder of this webpage - non-jewish and non Christian Right - who only became pro-Israel after 9-11. We were the gigantic, silent voices of apathy who in reality were actually the best freinds that the so-called "Palestinians" ever had. There has been a massive reexamination of those views after 9-11, and Bush is involved in that process only as a follower and not a leader.

"Palestinians" cheering wildly in the streets of Gaza after 9-11 was a deeply searing moment of clarity for many of us. Nader and Kerry will continue to ignore us at their peril.

#115, Peter

What of "Nazi ideology" did Herbert Marcuse import? Which ideas from, say Hitler's "Mein Kampf" (1925) or Alfred Rosenberg's "Mythus des zwanzigsten Jahrhunderts" (1930) do you find in Marcuse? In which of his works?

You can disagree strongly with Marcuse; that's fine. But he hated Nazism as he despised Stalinism. I sat in his classroom. Read or re-read "One- Dimensional Man."

Plenty of pieces of the old Nazism going around these days, including among the "new Left." Marcuse was of the old one, which still had some decency among its members---that's why both the Nazi and Communist thugs came for them very eagerly and early.

What's with the anti-Semitism, as John-Paul Pagano mentions above, of the LEFT?

From the European Socialists including the NAZIs, the Russian Communist totalitarians, and the Blacks and Democrats there is this unrelenting anti-Semitic tattoo

The only Jew backers appear to be American Conservatives, reversing years of historic prejudice.

In this really fearsome world why do Jews constantly vote against the single group that admires them?

MarkJ: You're disillusioned if you think what Nader said was acceptable considering it was part of a speech to Muslim voters.

If he was sincere about "puppetry" then he would have mentioned the billions in dollars that go to Jordan, Morrocco and Egypt. Or the arms sales to Saudi Arabia. He only mentioned Israel because of the Muslim audience. It's selective analysis that is intellectually deceiving.

#142, Maine's Michael,

LOL! And, no, I don't want any Kaballah tea.

150 MarkJ

I guess I don't see how it's anti-semitic to say that the Israeli government has influence in Washington.

First of all, in a democracy the government has to be responsive to the electorate or they will elect someone else. The American people judge Israel to be a friend, so our leaders reflect this in order to stay in power. Secondly, what in the world is wrong with liking Israel for its own sake? Why do so many people think anyone who likes Israel is paid to like Israel?? Other than the fact that it is filled with Jews, what is wrong with Israel? Personally, I believe it is one of the great propaganda coups of the Left that they've convinced so many otherwise intelligent people that those who like Israel are paid to do so.

150 MarkJ

"Are we not allowed to even criticize Israelis without being called anti-semitic?"

Ah, the favorite red herring of today's anti-Semite.

No democratic nation on earth other than Israel allows itself, without let or hinderance, to be so criticised by its own citizens with such venom and regularity. How laughably absurd then is your proposition.

What is anti-Semitic is the following:

1) The demonisation of Israel
2) The Nazification of Israel
3) The holding of Israel to a higher standard than other nations.
4) The suggestion that there is some kind of Jewish plot to control various countries including the U.S. and the UK.

Thus, Nader (and you, if you agree with him) has proven himself to be anti-Semitic on at least three grounds.

#145 Pooh:

You read too much Hobsbawm and other marxist historians white washing national socialism for their own purposes. BTW, it was no coincidence that nazi germany and the soviet union were allies in the first years of the war. Communist parties in Europe followed that line. Hitler opposition to bolsjewism had more to do with fear that Russia would dominate Europe than with disagreements over economic philosophy.

The fact that the nazis worked closely with leading German entrepreneurs does not prove they were capitalists. On the contrary. That's what happens in socialism; government and the means of production become one block.

I've explained this before, but I'll explain it again until people stop repeating the nazi=capitalism bullshit: The economic policy of the nazis was inspired by what Mussolini had done in Italy, namely corporatism. It was socialism without class struggle; workers (trade unions) and factory owners worked together in structures under strict government supervision, according to economic plans drawn up by the government. There you have the basis for a totalitarian society.

Hitler's lecture in Berchtesgaden you mention totally fits that ideology. Socialists did think (and still do...) that individuals were dispensible, that the state or the common good should supersede anything.

Fascism and national socialism were post-socialist ideologies; first and foremost a reaction to the social democrats' broken promises of revolution. The social democrats had sold out to liberal democracy, the communists were internationalists dividing the nation; the fascists and national socialist were going to provide real socialism in national unity.

However you wanna see it, they had nothing to do whatsoever with liberal democracy and capitalism and they were very clear about it. Read some original German texts from the 1930s.

What about the billions of tax dollars that have been funneled into Arab countries like Egypt and Jordan? Are they controlling Congress and the White House too?

I was unaware that R. Nader was of Lebanese descent (shows you how much attention I pay to him), but that explains a lot.

MarkJ

I guess I don't see how it's anti-semitic to say that the Israeli government has influence in Washington.

I mean, first of all, is there truth to it?

Israel in no "puppeteer". It's in American best interest to have a functioning capitalist democracy in the Middle East. And yet, Israel's security is often undermined by Washington's interference in her domestic policies. Our government has a say in the way Israel conducting her war on terror, in "two-state" solution etc, our aid to Israel in very much contingent on her cooperation.

Secondly, he's not saying that the Israelis are evil or sub-human or anything else that I consider anti-semitic.

I consider conspiracy theories a la Elders of Zion anti-Semitic. This is simply an offshoot of it. Evil Jews are behind everything. Der Sturmer could have printed it.

Are we not allowed to even criticize Israelis without being called anti-semitic?

You are allowed to criticize Israel. Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories are not allowed.

#156 observer

An excellent post.

#151 Pooh

Tehoen who is the most disappointing to me at that so called magazine is Scott McConnell. When he was Deputy Editorial Page Editor under Eric Breindel at The New York Post it was the best editorial page in my opinion in the coutnry. Afterwards he drifted nto Buchananism and anti Israelism.

Taki is just a nasty prick.

"It is time for the Washington puppet show to be replaced by the Washington peace show.”

And Peace will come as soon as all those inconvienent Jews are dead

Sarcasm/off

#155

And Ralph Nader is somewhat midly correct that the Post-911 President Bush is "a puppet of Israel."

No he's not. You've got your order of Satans confused. America is the Great Satan; Israel is the Little Satan (at least in the fantasies of the Islamists). President Bush is not even remotely "a puppet" of Israel. However, as functioning democracies, they do have a lot in common.

#37 Daybrother

If his sister is at Berkeley teaching anthropology, maybe he used a time machine in the future to change the past and then told his sister what he did...

I believe that. I'd believe anything when it comes to Nader.

(#157) genard writes:

The only Jew backers appear to be American Conservatives, reversing years of historic prejudice.

In this really fearsome world why do Jews constantly vote against the single group that admires them?

Jew backers?

Ohh kay. You have a way with words.

And as far as your contention, we have American Conservatives like James "fuck the Jews" Baker who headed George W. Bush's Florida recount team. And was his father's Secretary of State.

I don't think he admires Jews much.

Or perhaps you mean American Conservatives like Bob Novak?

Or Grover Norquist?

Or Pat Buchanan?

Feel the love and admiration.

#47 jheka

Just read your link about the captive marine (deserter). I have a feeling the marines may not want to fight so hard to get him back, after all.

Why are muslims allowed in the US services at all? There are so few of them (4000). They are all 'conflicted', at best, but more often, cowards and murderous traitors.

Why are we training the enemy???

#88 WriterMom

I happen to enjoy getting questioned by El Al staff in particular-you know-the hulking, ex-army captain male ones? I got all the time in the world for them!

I always got questioned by stunningly handsome young Israeli men - except once when I got a lovely young woman (Colt, you would have liked her). The lovely young woman must have thought I was a shifty character and plainly wasn't happy with the answers I gave - so she promptly called over one of the stunningly handsome young men, who asked me the same questions all over again. I was last out of the area where they question you - but no complaints :-)

#155 bigger diggler

Well put!

My first ever vote for a Republican presidential candidate came in 2000 for President Bush. Even that vote had more to do with disgust for anything even remotely associated with the Clinton era. Prior to that election, I had always considered myself "liberal" and had voted for Dems.

As a result, even though I voted Bush in 2000, I had no strong belief about the Israel/Paleo issue at the time.

9-11 changed that.

I spent the next several months studying world issues. I don't pretend for a moment to be an expert on such matters, but my support is FIRMLY in favor of Israel.

You are correct inpointing out that most liberal politicians are ignoring just how many of us are out there that were forever changed by 9-11.

#179 SoCalJustice

I hear that new kid is one heck of an inside jew backer. I think he has the speed to play outside jew backer also.

#45 GH

"Lebanese and “Palestinians” are just Arabs by ethnicity, language and culture."

Except many Lebanese Christians clame to be not Arabs but Assyrians (/Maronites).

I don't know who this Nader bloke is, by the way - but I'm getting the picture.

Wasn't 'Lebanon', like 'Palestine' just a part of Syria when it was part of the Ottoman Empire?

163 Rebecca

What about the billions of tax dollars that have been funneled into Arab countries like Egypt and Jordan? Are they controlling Congress and the White House too?

Forget tax dollars. What about all the oil money the average American give to Saudi Arabia every year? I was trying to find that number recetnly and couldn't. I'll bet we give them a hundred times what we give Israel. And 90% of the money we give Israel comes back to the US in arms purchases. For the Saudis it comes back to purchase CNN.

#162 Peter Verkooijen

"BTW, it was no coincidence that nazi germany and the soviet union were allies in the first years of the war. Communist parties in Europe followed that line. Hitler opposition to bolsjewism had more to do with fear that Russia would dominate Europe than with disagreements over economic philosophy."

Nonsense. That alliance was a marriage of convenience and nothing more; an agreement over political ideology had nothing to do with it.

For the rest of it, direct yourself to Observer's (#156) excellent riposte to your ugly attack.

PV (#162):

bolsjewism

Care to explain yourself? I'm still willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but it's a very thin ice you're treading on.

#162 Peter Verkooijen

By the way, I take it you are Dutch.

And, if so, no I'm not in the least surprised.

#172 RC Neo Jew

You? Shifty? Never!

So, in the end-you got the male security dude spending some quality time with you. That's the main thing...security, shmecurity.

"Care to explain yourself? I'm still willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but it's a very thin ice you're treading on."

I think he fell through it a number of posts back. It's pretty obvious what he is.

#162 Peter Verkooijen,

Well observed Peter. NAZI-ism is Socialist in origin and theory. It occurs to me that much of modern day European Socialist states really do practice a form of Mussolini/Hitler type Fascism as demonstrated by their condominium between industry and state. France is particularly egregious in this respect. Fascism seems more like a special case of state control rather than a capitalist inspired system of free marketing.

The Left has been dropping the figleaf more and more when it comes to the Judenhass in its midst.

This abomination is not innocent.

#156 observer:

Unfortunately I don't have an English copy of One Dimensional Man here, so here's a long Dutch quote ;-), p 268-269 De Eendimensionale Mens:

'Het doel van echte zelfbeschikking door de individuen, hangt af van een doelmatige sociale controle over de productie en distributie van de noodzakelijke goederen ... Hierbij is de technologische rationaliteit, ontdaan van al haar uitbuitingstrekken, de enige norm en leidraad bij de planning en ontwikkeling van de beschikbare hulpbronnen voor iedereen. Het zou een verspilling betekenen, als bij de productie en distributie van de basisgoederen en diensten zelfbeschikking een rol zou spelen ... Op dit terrein is gecentraliseerde controle rationeel als daardoor de eerste voorwaarden voor zinvolle zelfbeschikking worden geschapen. ... De zelfbeschikking zal in zoverre reeel zijn, als de massa's uiteengevallen zijn in individuen die van alle propaganda, indoctrinatie en manipulatie bevrijd zijn en die in staat zijn de feiten te kennen en te begrijpen en de alternatieven op waarde te schatten. Met andere woorden, de samenleving zou redelijk en vrij zijn inzoverre zij georganiseerd, in stand gehouden en gereproduceerd zou worden door een wezenlijk nieuw historisch Subject.'

Basically Marcuse is saying here that centralized control over production and distribution of basic needs is a prerequisite for the emergence of real self determination of true individuals who are free from propaganda, indoctrination and manipulation. In Marcuse's evil late capitalist society there are only masses, no real individuals. Marcuse stresses the centralized control that is going to free the people has to be based on pure technological rationality and that concerns of self determination should not come into play when that control is applied - since the centralized control has to preceed self determination. So Marcuse concluded the organisation and control of such a society requires a fundamental new historical Subject - whatever the hell that is.

Sounds like fascism to me...

I'm still willing to give you the benefit of the doubt

I'm not. He said things of that nature several times already, btw.

#181 WriterMom

So, in the end-you got the male security dude spending some quality time with you. That's the main thing...security, shmecurity.

And his Israeli accent was so strong that I kept having to ask him to repeat the questions. It took ever so long.

173 / Crusader,

I voted for Nader for similar reasons. I'm losing my GOP virginity this year. Congrats for being ahead of the curve.

BTW, by "Israel/Paleo" do you mean Palestinian or paleoconservative?

Ralph Nadir could well take enough votes from the Dems again this year to account for an electoral college defeat.

If this happens, hopefully the Jewsih Democrats (remember them?) will be able to muster the courage to call the pro-Hitler, pro-Muslim left-wingers by their proper name.

--- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---

Why should Lieberman have to bolt from the Dems?

Why shouldn't Lieberman el al exercise power within the Democratic Party?

Give Ralph Nadir and Al Sharpton and the Congressional Black Caucus and all of the other left-wing fascists enough rope to hang themselves.

#179 Q

Regarding Peter Verkooijen's use of "bolsjewism," please read the extract below from a Dutch site dedicated to the SS:

"Next to the concept of an 'all-Dutch' legion, German propaganda emphasised the idea of 'a crusade against bolsjewism' to recruit volunteers. Those who joined were ignorant of what they had actually signed up for at the moment itself, as the legion did not become an official Waffen-SS combat unit until 1943. However, Berlin had decided that the Waffen-SS was to be responsible for all 'Aryan-Nordic' volunteers long before the plans of raising a Dutch volunteer legion became a reality. Although several hundreds of Dutch men served in the Kriegsmarine, Luftwaffe or Wehrmacht, the greatest number were sent to the Waffen-SS. The recruiting of volunteers in occupied Germanic countries like the Netherlands was the sole business of the SS and they claimed the Dutch volunteers in order to expand Himmler's Germanic elite corps."

[Link: www.waffen-ss.nl...]

#115 Peter Verkoojen: I need to jump in in defense of the Frankfurt School, too. It has not only produced idiotarians like Jürgen Habermas or Susan Nieman who argue that their opposition against the liberation of Iraq made Schröder an Fischer morally superior over the West, it has also produced the dissident branch of the critical theory which is the only available ideological weapon against postmodernism.

The Europe before the Frankfurt School died on March 11, 2004 in Madrid. RIP.

The argument on the relationship between Nazism and capitalism is based on a concept of capitalism that includes the House of Saud as capitalists. The Nazis had Hugenberg, Thyssen and Stinnes, and they were as little liberals as the House of Saud. The Nazis' economic doctrine was neither capitalism nor communism, it was metaphysical, because metaphysics was the only thing on which an anticapitalist movement could agree with capitalist cartels. It was a secular mock of the Christian doctrine of original sin that promised salvation through labor. It was written on the gates of Auschwitz.

The German post-Auschwitz national identity is based on the Frankfurt School.

#176

Lebanon is in many ways still just a part of Syria.

I'm completely in favor of Israel's policies with respect to the palestinians. I think building the wall is a great idea. I think that when they blow up terrorist leaders that it's a great thing. I wish them well and hope they flourish and prosper.

At the same time, I don't see why we need to be sending billions of dollars over there. Call me anti-semitic if you want to, but I guess I'd rather keep my share of those billions in my wallet for myself and my family. I don't get this business where the US taxpayer is supposed to send X billions of dollars to foreign countries every year. If they can't sustain their own countries without a few billion from us, what does that say about their approach to things? And is there some time limit to this or are we expected to fund their country indefinitely? And how exactly did US taxpayers get stuck with that duty?

The government is out of control when it comes to fiscal restraint. THe founding fathers would roll over in their graves if they knew that the federal government was being used to send tax money to foreign countries.

I know some will say that it is in our interest to support democracies like Israel. I'm all for democracy and I wish them well but it seems to be that it is incumbant upon them to figure out how to carry their own weight in the world. Frankly I think the whole relationship with Israel has been a lot more trouble than it's worth.

If there are individuals that feel strongly about supporting Israel, they are free to do so with their own money and lives. I can't see why Joe Taxpayer should be made to do so. And I'm not just talking about Israel, but all countries we send money to.

I guess it comes down to whether you think that the US has a duty to fix the problems of other people in the world. I don't think it does. Individual Americans can go and help other countries if they want to, like the people who went to fight the fascists in Spain in the 1930s.

I just want to know when I get let off the hook for responsibility for fixing Israel's problems (or any other foreign country's problems). I suspect the answer is "never".

#130 veebee

Anti-Semitism is a central feature of Nazi ideology. Nazism without anti-Semitism is like capitalism without private ownership.

Says who? This is what socialist historians want you to believe. Would nazism ever have gotten the wide European public support it received if anti-semitism had been the central feature? No way. No political ideology can thrive by negative sentiments alone. Fascism and nazism promised order in modern mass society, jobs, autobahns, pride in the country, economic security, peace, unity, etc.

#173 Crusader

OT but is this you, battling with antisemites disguised as 'anti-Zionists' - part way down the page? If so, that means that site has suffered a small invasion of lizards - there are a couple more of us fighting there, under other names.

How to explain the phenomenon of Jew-hatred? Such a strange and protean beast, it mutates from generation to generation, as each age finds a new reason to revile "the Jews". This hatred has little to do with real Jews. It's about the imaginary Jews, the ones who are the personification of the Jew-hater's fears--the boogeymen who can be conveniently blamed for the sorry state the hater finds him/herself in, or for an agonizing sense of powerlessness, or for the fear that what a person has will be summarily taken away by "them", "the other", "the Jew".

Today, of course, Jew-hatred has mutated into hatred for the Jewish state. It's as if all the historical Jew-hatred, which was toxic enough when it was directed toward a people scattered throughout the world, has become even more intense because there's an Israel on which to shine an intense spotlight. Altogether, a disturbing and potentially calamitious development . That a candidate for the presidency--and fringe though he may be, Nader is still an icon of the American left--can make such inflammatory and irrational statements about Jews and Israel shows the perilous state we find ourselves in today.

#193 MarkJ

You have devoted acres of space to carefully avoiding all the charges laid out in my previous post.

You're slippery like all your kind. I can't say I'm surprised at that, or the fact this thread has attracted so many obvious Jew-haters.

I'm off to take a shower.

"I spent the next several months studying world issues. I don't pretend for a moment to be an expert on such matters, but my support is FIRMLY in favor of Israel.

You are correct inpointing out that most liberal politicians are ignoring just how many of us are out there that were forever changed by 9-11."

I think even conservative politicians, including probably Bush himself, have no idea of the depth of change in some of us post-911.

Personally, I think a great number of opinions expressed on these pages from a conservative point of view are wrong about the depth of change. I saw an interview of John Kerry, who obviously understands this. Even John Kerry was completely unequivical in his support of Israel. For purposes of that interview, there was absolutely no difference between Kerry's position on Israel and Bush's.

I think there a tons and tons of liberals/lefties who have lately reexamined their position regarding Israel and will be voting as that as the touchstone of their vote.

Personally, I find my unequivical support of Israel somewhat embarassing and troubling in light the depths of support Israel has from the Christian Right and some of the other nuttier whack jobs of the Right. So I look at LGF as a support group for those of us who have belatedly, with none of the usual religious or ideological trappings, came around belatedly to the support of the tiny Jewish State.

#193

I guess it comes down to whether you think that the US has a duty to fix the problems of other people in the world. I don't think it does. Individual Americans can go and help other countries if they want to, like the people who went to fight the fascists in Spain in the 1930s.

News flash, brainiac. The people who went to fight the fascists in Spain were slaughtered because countries like the US wouldn't support them.

Your attitude of "I love democracy, but not if I have to fight for it" would condemn our allies to fall one by one, and condemn us all to dhimmitude.

193 MarkJ

Actually, the main thrust of the US policy in the ME over the last nearly 40 years has been to keep Israel from defending itself. If Israel had been allowed to win its war in 1967 or 1973 or on any day since then they wouldn't need a dime. The American administrations in these years has apparently agreed with the rest of the world that we need a permanent conflict there as well as a permanent appearance of a peace effort.

I say let them win once and for all. Stop the b*llshit.

Nader has crossed the line.

Conjuring classic anti-semitic and fascistic images of the U.S. government under the thumb of "The Jews".

Having been denied Green Party endorsement - was that because of Jewish influence Ralph ? - he will next go to the National Socialist White People's Party.

#178 Pooh:

... your ugly attack. ... By the way, I take it you are Dutch. ... And, if so, no I'm not in the least surprised. ... I think he fell through it a number of posts back. It's pretty obvious what he is.

Why is my 'attack' ugly? I'm just giving you some facts as I see it here... And yes, I am Dutch. I honestly don't see what you are implying here. Explain to me what I am exactly, please.

200 ibn Abu

No Pasaran !

"Would nazism ever have gotten the wide European public support it received if anti-semitism had been the central feature? No way. No political ideology can thrive by negative sentiments alone."

Revisionist history par excellence.

Next he's going to tell us: that Holland didn't openly collaborate in the murder of over 100,000 of its Jewish citizens; that Holland didn't steal all the property of the Jewish citizens - most of which it still retains; that the Dutch don't sing "take the Jews to the gas" at soccer matches; that Holland's virulent anti-Israeli posture isn't based on Jew-hatred.

Would nazism ever have gotten the wide European public support it received if anti-semitism had been the central feature? No way.

Pooh, veebee -- you're right. He did fall through.

#184 Darleen

That is inspired, I would guess, by Dave Brown's horrible cartoon in the Independent - Blood Libel Cartoon of the Year 2003 (scroll down to the bottom of the page to see it).

It was cleared of accusations that it was antisemitic

The cartoonist, Dave Brown, thanked the Israeli embassy in Britain for increasing the cartoon's publicity by its angry reaction.

It was officially declared to be not antisemitic - just anti-Zionist

#185, Peter

Not fascism, but an attempt to link his infatuation with the early Marx to economic theory. Marcuse fell for a kind of "Marxist Humanism,"---which to a pupil of German (Hegelian) philosophy promised liberation from the "chains" of industrial society. Marcuse dreamed of "the building of a world without the domination or the exploitation of man by man" ("Varieties of Humanism," June 1968) In the working class slums of Berlin, or in the intellectuals' cafes, that didn't sound so bad. But it's hardly the fascism that was soon to sweep it aside, or to harden it into Communist party lines.

# 205 Pooh

With 50+ minutes gone, It's Portugal 1, Holland 0.

Divine Justice at work?
:-)
:-)

(trying to lighten the mood before it gets [more] ugly)

#178 Pooh

Nonsense. That alliance was a marriage of convenience and nothing more; an agreement over political ideology had nothing to do with it.

Of course it was a cynical marriage of convenience. All I'm saying is there was sufficient common ground to reach that kind of agreement. Anyway, I'm not the only one to point to the obvious similarities between Hitler's nazi Germany and Stalin's Soviet Union.

"I honestly don't see what you are implying here. Explain to me what I am exactly, please."

Try your use of the virulently anti-Semitic term "bolsjewism" above, and my response to it in #190.

"I'm just giving you some facts as I see it here."

So did Hitler.

You know exactly what you are.

#193 MarkJ

US aid accounts for about 2% of the Israeli economy. They could manage without if they were less socialist, something Netanyahu is trying like hell to achieve.

Ralph Nader has two older sisters, Claire and Laura, and an older brother, Shafeek, now deceased. They must be from previous or second wife because as you can see below "Rose raised her only child Ralph to be a serious minded boy". There is not mention of second wife or mother in the Nathra Nader family biography.

Consumer advocate Ralph Nader was born on February 27, 1934 in Winsted, Connecticut to Rose and Nathra Nader. Rose and Nathra Nader were Lebanese immigrants. Nathra owned and operated a restaurant called Highland Arms. Rose raised her only child Ralph to be a serious minded boy, never allowing him to play with toys because to her they were a waste of time. But Ralph was an intelligent and inquisitive child who made up for this restriction in other ways.

Ralph Nader biography

I think some people are a little too quick to cry "anti-semitism" just because there was a criticism.

It's just fasincating that people so eager to criticize Israel (& the US), don't seem to have a need to criticize any other nation on planet earth. As if these critics even know facts beyond opinions based on opinion.

And to say Israel has influence in Washington, implies that no other nation does. Singleing out Israel is the left's hobby ... and that says alot.

#207 RC

Thank you, I could not remember the name of the "cartoonist" even as I vividly remember the cartoon. Indeed, when I viewed this "new" version, that was the first image that came to mind.

As I said, it was not done innocently.

#208 observer:

... "Marxist Humanism,"---which to a pupil of German (Hegelian) philosophy promised liberation from the "chains" of industrial society ...

OK OK, but all that stuff became part of nazi ideology and was washed out of it later by embarrassed European and socialist historians. Same reason why it was swept under the rug that Martin Heidegger had been a card carrying and very active member of the nazi party up until the very end in 1945.

My point is that the 'left' is coming full circle and showing its true colors again.

Read Orwell. He knew.

#209

"(trying to lighten the mood before it gets [more] ugly)"

How much uglier can it get than his use of a virulently anti-Semitic term ("bolsjewism") popularised by the Dutch SS?

PV

This is what socialist historians want you to believe.

No, actually it's the Jewish historians I want to believe. Same difference, right?

#157 In your list of Jew backers I fear that you left out Jay Fiedler, one of the few NFL Jewbackers. I don't know how conservative he is.

"My point is that the 'left' is coming full circle and showing its true colors again"

And my point is that Europe is coming full circle and showing its true colors again.

Thanks for proving my point so very well.

#212 Colt

Thanks for that. It's too bad this site has stopped posting new stuff. I warms my anti-establishment heart to see the amazing Israeli economy recovering and growing. Everyone in America should be proud to be the friend of that amazing little country.

#199 ploomie

OK, OK, OK. I will put the "Jewish influence" thing to rest once and for all.

It's me!

I am the one influencing the White House from my little Jewish household in the holy city of Toronto. Once a week, at shul-everyone tells me what messages to beam out from my mind-control machine. I set it to 11 on the dial and put Hebrew music on in the background ("Walla" on the internet) and then I send the waves right to Washington. For some reason-I can't get my transmitter to work on the State Department. I don't know why.

Anyway, that's the whole story. Don't mess with me.

#187 RC-Neo Jew

That reminds me of taking Hebrew at university, where we had language labs. The Israeli teacher would "pop in" on our headsets and tell us: yourrr accent eeez terrrible.

One time, my friend got so upset, she said-you know what? Your accent is pretty terrible, too so F-Off.

OT: Iranians testing the Brits -- who are failing?

Brit Sailors were forced into Iranian waters

In other words they were kidnapped/seized -- an act of war.

You just might wonder if the Brit officers will figure out that it was encouraged by their limp-wristed response to a PRIOR provocation by the Iranians.
I don't have the Drudge link, but yesterday he had a story on the Brits sniffing about Sanchez's un-nuanced recommendation (orders?) for them to attack an Iranian incursion over the border recently. It was over 1 km inside Iraq, and the Iranians were actually setting up a base. American Gen. Sanchez told the Brits to attack to expel them -- but the Brits opted for "diplomacy".

So what hapens next? Their sailors getting grabbed. Think the rags smell weaknes from the Brits?

#221 Luigi

It's early days yet, but Netanyahu might do for Israel what Thatcher did for the UK. But I think Bibi might leave any Likud coalition with Labour (which looks very possible).

#222 WriterMom

"OK, OK, OK. I will put the "Jewish influence" thing to rest once and for all.

It's me! "

Oooh, Writer Mom, I've been wanting to meet you for the longest time.

When you do take over the world can I please, please, please have Holland? There are so many exciting and wonderful plans I have for the place.

#170 SoCalJustice,

Yes, it is dicey to use the word "Jew," let alone to join it with "backer, "Jew backer." I don't really know why that is. To me the word "Jew" is normative, descriptive, informative, and, due to my knowledge of history, honorific.

I suppose I could have softened the starkness by saying "supporter" rather than "backer."

I am conservative myself, and atheist.

I am aware of James Baker's bias against Israeli settlements as expressed publicly after Desert Storm. I don't know about his private thoughts. I don't share them if they are as you report.

Robert Novak is extremely vocal about his bias against Israel and America's support. He is wrong. I presume he retains vestiges of his Middle European heritage.

I love Grover Norquist's positions on taxation. I despise his friendship with Wahhabis. I have not heard him express anti-Semitic ideas, but I suspect he has them.

I agree with Pat Buchanan's rants about the dangers to Western Civilization, but his anti-Semitism contaminates any good ideas he may have.

My point remains, the LEFT is now expressly and vocally anti-Semitic/anti-Israeli. Conservatives have been the strongest supporters of Israel, although clearly not historically pro-Jew. Considering the alternatives, the question remains. Why to Jews consistently vote against conservatives?

#216, Peter

I've read Orwell. But until the 1930s, is all the left the same to you? The Social Democrats in Vienna in, say, 1927---they never had the chance to "come to full cycle."
When Michael Walzer recently asked in "Dissent" if there was no "decent Left" left--he was mourning the passing of something.
Would you not rather sit and discuss things with Irving Howe, were he still around, than with michael Moore or one of the left crazies at Berkeley or Brown? The Howes are gone. But on the other side of the fence, so is (almost) Buckley--and he's to Ann Coulter what Howe is to Moore. Sigh.

Iranian RG units invaded Iraq in July - Brits ordered to attack - refused

OT: Blind "spiritual leader" Abdul-Rahmen, is the pokey for his part in the first bombing of the World Trade Centre, is upset by the brand of tea he's being served. Anyone feeling sympathetic? (via Taranto)
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

More OT: Yesterday Taranto linked to the story of how Jhimminy Carter used the occasion of a youngster's funeral to grandstand his thoughts on current politics. Today Taranto mentions how, during his presidency, Carter solicited advice on serious issues like nuclear disarmament from his daughter, Amy. It occurred to me that, given the wealth of damaging information that exists about Carter, a Michael Moore of the right (not that such a creature exists) could very easily create a Flatulence 9/11-style documentary that would make mincemeat of the former prez. Everything from his peanut farming, to "I lusted in my heart", to the "malaise" the country was suffering from, to the Iran hostage crisis, to his winning the Nobel Peace Prize, and much more could be shaped into a devasting portrait of a sanctimonious, self-hating American whose good intentions paved the road to Hell.

224 Colt

I would love to see then privatize away from their socialist roots. But I don't vote there. I support Israel, but I don't presume to take internal political stances in any democracy other than my own. Meanwhile, how's this for a country in a permanent state of war?

PV,
Nazism had wide public support in Europe? Norway had Quisling. Iceland? Sweden? Finland? Belgium? Holland? Poland? Switzerland? France? Portugal? Yugoslavia? Chechoslovakia(sp)? Greece? Luxomberg? Albania? Western USSR?
Oh that's right, Germany, Italy, Romania. BTW isn't it prayer time where you are?

#230 Luigi

Very good to see :-)

Charles,

Would you kindly do something about the poster Peter Verkooijen who used the rabidly anti-Semitic term "bolsjewism" in post #162 above (see below)? As I explain in #190 this is a term much used by the Dutch SS.

"Communist parties in Europe followed that line. Hitler opposition to bolsjewism had more to do with fear that Russia would dominate Europe than with disagreements over economic philosophy."

Reuters reports that "a top Saudi spiritual guide"--whatever that is--has been killed in Riyadh.

#153 abu_garcia 6/30/2004 12:03PM PST

I think "apocalyptic Antiimperialism " comes close, but it's more than just imperialism that they oppose, it is civilization in general, more like what most of them call it, anarchism, but even that doesn't quite get it. The apocalyptic part is right on the money.

Antiimperialism is how they call it themselves, elaborated for example in this early article of Joschka Fischer about Ayatollah Khomeini. Over the time, some of them have dropped the term Antiimperialism while others have not. You can run their publications through a wordprocessor and replace "imperialism" with "civilization" and they make more sense than before. I think it is important to keep the proper term Antiimperialism because it illustrates the asymmetry between good and evil: Because they are apocalyptic they can at best name somebody else's goal, and because they cannot name their goal they can only name what they want to destroy. I think in an ironic sense, Mao was spot on when he said that imperialism as a paper tiger: It's nothing but Antiimperialist literature. Antiimperialism however is an apocalyptic cult to be taken as serious as a threat to civilization as the Jim Jones People's Temple.

Oops.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Hitler opposition to bolsjewism

Regarding Peter Verkooijen's use of "bolsjewism," please read the extract below from a Dutch site dedicated to the SS:

Whatever one might think of Peter Verkooijen's position, the "bolsjewism" is NOT an example of anti-Semitic wordplay -- it's simply the way that the Russian ''бoльшeв изм'' is transliterated into Dutch, as can be seen in the Dutch-language Nazi propaganda poster (VOOR UW EER EN GEWETEN OP! TEGEN HET BOLSJEWISME!) reproduced on the page linked above. I'm guessing that the "J" stands for a y sound, and the "W" is read as v. The fact that the English word "Jew" appears to be stuck in the middle of the Dutch word is a linguistic coincidence.

# 234 scar

""a top Saudi spiritual guide"

Awww, too bad -- I bet the guy was close to graduating to "militant"
:-)

The AP via Yahoo has him as -- ya can't make this stuff up -- the **chief ideologist** for al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula

#211 Poo-brain:

Try your use of the virulently anti-Semitic term "bolsjewism" above ... Next he's going to tell us: that Holland didn't openly collaborate in the murder of over 100,000 of its Jewish citizens; that Holland didn't steal all the property of the Jewish citizens - most of which it still retains; that the Dutch don't sing "take the Jews to the gas" at soccer matches; that Holland's virulent anti-Israeli posture isn't based on Jew-hatred.

You are mad! I don't even know where to begin here.

First of all, bolsjewism is not 'a virulently anti-semitic term'. It is the original name of the Russian brand of communism.

Secondly, I'm very much pro-Israel and I know that apart from Germany more Jews were killed in the Netherlands than anywhere else in Europe. Holland sucks and I want as little to do with it as possible.

I emigrated to New York because I was sick of the mood in the Netherlands and Europe; the growing anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism and anti-semitism. I believe one of the root causes of what is happening is the whitewashing of European history, the view of nazism as some weird extreme rightwing racist/militarist thing totally seperate from the mainstream of European culture.

Scara:

A little Reuters translation guide for you-

"top spiritual guide"=terrorist

#225 Pooh

You can have it, but it's gonna cost yah ;)

I am 95% comfortable entertaining requests now for other parts of the world. A woman's gotta do what a woman's gotta do.

OT - Where exactly does this fit into the Jewish plans to rule the world?

/LLL

239 Peter Verkooijen

Welcome to New York..

WriterMom #222:

I bet I know which shul you go to. Probably Holy Blossom. There's a reason that its on a hill, isn't there??? Broadcast range. Its all about broadcast...

Who in the world is telling Nader to shut up...simply tone it down? Just like who told the PM of Turkey to shut up all these weeks of bashing Israel or the saudi's or EU and UN? I could go on and on but what good will it do.

I repeat. Some so-called friends of Israel are not friends either. To not condemn the horrible attack on Monday was despicable. It is not just Nader or the media or fat ass moore or the saudi's or egypt. Silence is a killer. What is ***not*** said is often more catastrophic than what is said.

6 million died because of silence.

I posted this question on another thread so perhaps someone here might care to answer.

pooh, I responded to your answer here.

#226 genard

"To me the word "Jew" is normative, descriptive, informative, and, due to my knowledge of history, honorific."

It may be, but it also has been a term of vicious anti-Semitic abuse in much of the world for centuries.
I can quite understand why so many Jewish people still prefer the word "Jewish."

Even today, I often here the word "Jew" spoken by gentiles with more than a certain degree of loathing and venom.

Just for the record, I a Jew that has departed the Democratic fold. My extended family is about 40% sane and the rest still LLL. I think we're coming around so please be patient...

Bolsjewisme is the general Dutch term for Russian communism. That's how we learned it in school people. It has nothing to do with nazi Germany or anti-semitism. Russian communisme was split between the 'bolsjewieken' and the 'mensjewieken'. Just put those words in Google and see what you get...

How does this fit in?

#227

you said:

But on the other side of the fence, so is (almost) Buckley--and he's to Ann Coulter what Howe is to Moore. Sigh

William F. Buckley has had his Coulteresque moments:

[Link: www.amren.com...]

Why the South Must Prevail," August 24, 1957, issue of National Review.

"The central question that emerges . . . is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not prevail numerically? The sobering answer is Yes – the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race. It is not easy, and it is unpleasant, to adduce statistics evidencing the cultural superiority of White over Negro: but it is a fact that obtrudes, one that cannot be hidden by ever-so-busy egalitarians and anthropologists."
"National Review believes that the South's premises are correct. . . . It is more important for the community, anywhere in the world, to affirm and live by civilized standards, than to bow to the demands of the numerical majority."

"The South confronts one grave moral challenge. It must not exploit the fact of Negro backwardness to preserve the Negro as a servile class. . . . Let the South never permit itself to do this. So long as it is merely asserting the right to impose superior mores for whatever period it takes to effect a genuine cultural equality between the races, and so long as it does so by humane and charitable means, the South is in step with civilization, as is the Congress that permits it to function."

Cochrane

Hhar-nyet! Me no go to Holy Blossom. Nice try.

Ploomie-I always talk to myself. I really enjoy having a conversation with someone who really understands me, and is such a good listener.

Hah!, I see right through Nadar--crafty devil!--he's angling for the Buchanan vote! :-O

Bolsjewisme is probably Bolshevism in English.

On the subject of Jews, it should be noted that they practically don't exist. Jewish people represent one quarter of one percent of the world's population. That's 0.25%. If there were twice as many Jews in the world they would still round down to zero. For every 400 people in the world, 1 is Jewish. What then can we say about those who blame the world's problems on the Jews?

To all who question My "Hat", its a Patriotic, Conservative, Registered Republican Hat. I do not wear a turbin. I have no problem being profiled at the Airport but just walking down the street, now thats a bit much don't you think? Also, My parents escaped from no Country. They Immigrated here with all the proper documentation and with their own money. They immigrated from India to the US so that they could get paid what they are worth because they are both Doctors. Amazing how people attack anyone who has anything to say about Jews. I have nothing against Jews, I am just tired of all the Whinning. The Jewish community needs to get a clue themselves as to who the enemy is. Most of Hollywood is controlled by Jews, so why are they so Liberal? Why do most Jews vote Democrat? Why do Jewish Lawyers work for Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and other Muslim agencies that have fund raising efforts here in the US. To me it seems that they are their worst enemy. Lastly, to those who attack me racially. The last I looked Timothy McVeigh was white. Should we not profile all white males. Lets profile you guys, and have people look at you suspiciously where ever you go and see how long you can hold your cool. Go ask a black man whats its like to be in a white neighborhood, and you will understand what I mean by the "looks" you get.

Russian communisme was split between the 'bolsjewieken' and the 'mensjewieken

Peter -- see my post #237. The spellings "Bolshevik" and "Menshevik" are used in English; pooh saw the Dutch spelling in your post and thought that you were trying to make an anti-Semitic portmanteau word (that's from Lewis Carroll) out of "Bolshevik" and "Jew."

#227 observer

When Michael Walzer recently asked in "Dissent" if there was no "decent Left" left--he was mourning the passing of something.

I think the left - I mean socialism - always had fundamental philosophical problems. That is why it disintegrates. That is also why many leftists at a certain point lose their religion; that's what they mourn.

George Orwell is the classic example of a socialist who became thoroughly desillusioned with the left. Remember that 1984 was written against the British Labour government. His argument was similar to Von Hayek's Road To Serfdom. The point is that socialism is a path that ultimately can only lead to totalitarianism, no matter what good intentions you start out with.

EEven today, I often here the word "Jew" spoken by gentiles with more than a certain degree of loathing and venom.

Just last night my lefty, Scottish "boyfriend" blurted out during the Jon Stewart Show - fucking Jews- fucking Israel. Naturally I went home seconds later. I have no idea what to say to him should he consider an apology.

#255 hepcat:

Bolsjewisme is probably Bolshevism in English.

Yes, you're probably right. I'm lazy with translating these kind of things... Apologies for the confusion.

#205 Pooh:

My father is Dutch. His father risked all of their lives by hiding fleeing Jews and resistance members in his barn. Please don't tar all Dutch people with the same brush.

#257 KhalsaWarrior

o Jews' whining - check
o Jews control Hollywood - check
o One Jew's actions = all Jews' responsibility - check

If you've got nothing against Jews, you're using pretty antisemitic terms to say it.

The last I looked Timothy McVeigh was white. Should we not profile all white males.

Er, no. McVeigh was an exception to the apparent Islamic terrorist rule.

"First of all, bolsjewism is not 'a virulently anti-semitic term'. It is the original name of the Russian brand of communism."

OK, even though I wasn't the only poster startled by the use of that word, my charge was obviously false, and I withdraw it and offer my apologies.

Everything else stands though. Indeed, I find many of your arguments not just bizarre but also more than faintly anti-Semitic; most especially your attempt to try and persuade us that anti-Semitism was, at once, not only the main pivot but also the chief attraction of the Nazi movement.

"I'm very much pro-Israel and I know that apart from Germany more Jews were killed in the Netherlands than anywhere else in Europe."

Not so. A far higher percentage (I assume you're talking percentages here) of Jews were killed in Holland than Germany, mainly because many German Jews had had the years between 1933 and 1938 in order to effect an escape. In Eastern Europe, 99% of Polish Jews (over 3 million - a few hundred thousand had fled beforehand) living in Poland in 1939 were subsequently murdered. In Lithuania, the figure was around 92%. This compares with roughly 75% of Dutch Jews, who together with many Jews from other countries, were rounded up and dispatched to Auschwitz by the Dutch authorities.

PV:

Russian communisme was split between the 'bolsjewieken' and the 'mensjewieken'.

I guess you can have my benefit of the doubt back, then.

These words, btw, mean, respectively, "those who are in majority" and "those who are in minority". Unsurpirisingly, the bolsheviks (that's the English spelling you may want to use) never actually were the majority in their party (let alone in the Uchreditel'noye Sobraniye) -- until they physically destroyed all the opposition, that is.

Teacake, you actually still want to see this guy?

Ralph Nader

#260 Teacake

That's awful :(

If that's the way he really feels, I don't think he'll apologize because he doesn't see anything wrong with that. Time for a new boyfriend?

#257 KhalsaWarrior

Why do Jewish Lawyers work for Hamas..

The Jewish mind at its best is free to think whatever it wants to think, go where it will without shackles or inhibitions. The Jewish mind is free even to go against its own self-interest. Perhaps you haven't seen so much of that before and are a little confused.

KhalsaWarrior, my heart breaks.

Nader is just articulating his platform. If elected he plans to fulfill his term hoisting huge paper mache puppets and circling Congress shouting slogans against oppression and US imperialist hegemony, interspersed with vodoo grunts to the spirits of the heebie jeebies.

Then he'll jump into his potato-mobile and go smoke some more crack with Marion Barry.

#246 Pooh

Yeah, Pooh. I am aware of that aroma to the word "Jew." But caving into it was an early form of PC. I don't say "chairperson" either.

I hope Throbert McGee's #237 clears up your issue with Peter Verkooijen's use of the the double transliteration, "bolsjewism." Seems explanatory to me.

In any case Peter's #239 couldn't be more right minded.

Words are words, not baggage

Should we not profile all white males. Lets profile you guys, and have people look at you suspiciously where ever you go and see how long you can hold your cool.

If the 9-11 attacks were carried out by hot-looking bisexual Mormon white guys in their thirties ... I would have no objection to being subjected to extra scrutiny. And frankly, I'd feel a moral obligation to report anyone I knew who was supporting such actions, regardless of any superficial kinship to him.

K Warrior

blah-blah-blah...Who's whinning now?

#171 nucleartinkerbell:

Why are muslims allowed in the US services at all? There are so few of them (4000). They are all 'conflicted', at best, but more often, cowards and murderous traitors.

That's an awful bold statement about "all" Muslim servicemembers. I don't think that I believe it. I do know that I do not have any basis for such a conclusion (the incidents that I'm aware of involving Muslim soldiers do not qualify as a statistically significant sampling). I also know that you have not presented evidence for a very serious assertion.

As for why we allow them in, I suggest that the answer is "because they are Americans" and being a Muslim is not a crime in this country.

Folks: Go read the link and let me know what you think.

I have no problem being profiled at the Airport but just walking down the street, now thats a bit much don't you think?

Me thinks you're a bit of a bullshit artist.

I do not want to see him after that. I just want to have something to say should he have the decency to call. He is a true lefty, ignorant and arrogant with the moral superiority. There is so much I could say, just want something precise. I lost all respect for him in seconds.

Ohh, by the way no my family has never been in a death camp but we were killed just the same by the British. Have any of you seen Ghandi the Movie. remember the part when all the people were cold bloodly gunned down by the military. Those were Sikhs, and yes I lost relatives in many of these episodes. The Jews do not have a monopoly on Misery at the hands of ruthless people. The Iraqi's, Rawandan's, Russians (Stalin), Japanese (A bomb), and many other groups of people have suffered also. Its just the Jews who are the most publicized. I do not take my liberties for granted but its amazing how people attack me, just because I said something most of you are to PC to say. In my opinion, and I could care less what anyone thinks, I think Jews live in the past to much. All I hear is Holocaust, Holocaust, Holocaust, well that bird does not fly with me anymore.

P.S. I knew it was a jewish person because he talked about his little "Hat".

OT - The whore of islam, second greatest threat to global peace, yells out again - France condemns Arafat isolation.

#277 Come to Indianapolis and walk around with me for a bit and get a taste of reality.

Teacake, I'm really sorry that happened to you. He should have apologized there and then. I would just freeze him out.

# 263 Colt

Annnd, McVeigh received assitance from (gasp!) Iraq -- at least that's accoring to WorldNetDaily {ducks in anticipation of brickbats} ...
OKC -- "The 3rd Terrorist"

Full time -- Portugal 2 Holland 1. Can anybody stop the hosts? I don't think so ...

#264 Pooh

Indeed, I find many of your arguments not just bizarre but also more than faintly anti-Semitic; most especially your attempt to try and persuade us that anti-Semitism was, at once, not only the main pivot but also the chief attraction of the Nazi movement.

How are my arguments anti-Semitic? I don't know what you mean by 'not only the main pivot but also the chief attraction'...

What I said was that anti-Semitism was not overwhelmingly the main point in the nazi program. If it had been, it would never have attracted the wide public support in Europe that it did. After the war the anti-Semitism of the ideology was stressed because it clearly showed how evil the nazis had been, but other elements of the ideology that were too close to the European mainstream for comfort were swept under the rug.