And my HQ wonders why I refuse to do a Lurch detail...

Actually they don't, they hate him as much as I do.

They seem to not understand the core problem with their assault. Bush has not once spoken of his National Guard duty as a reason to vote for him. Kerry speaks of his military service (all four months of it) as the sole reason to vote for him.

So now we know why CBS is holding tough.

The "Bush lied" meme has taken on a life of its own, to the point that truth and lies have become irrelevant to those spreading these poisonous words. In that respect, it is exactly like anti=Semitism.

Jeez... this is pathetic and STUPID... again!
1Lt. John F. Kerry, USNR, NEVER served in the United States Navy. He served in the United States Navy RESERVE.

Please tell me this is a joke, not even Terry Freaking McAuliffe would be this freak stupid.

Yeah, at a time where 50 percent of our armed forces are Guard and Reservists, let's make a big freaking distinction between Guard and reserve and active duty.

Stupid people shouldn't be allowed to run major political parties, it's like running with scissors.

“Flyers distributed to Texas voters during Bush’s failed Congressional race say ‘he served in the U.S. Air Force and the Texas Air National Guard.’

They also mentioned his flights over Cambodia in 1968.

How can they consider doing this when the documents that "prove" the story are such ham fisted fakes?

I can only guess that the MEME of Bush being AWOL is so embedded in the LLL psyche that just can not let it go. To hell with the facts! They have such hate for W and for Republicans in general that they must engage in a multi-month long primal scream or they will just S'plode!

Wow. They just keep taking the lickings and coming back for more punishment from the voters. I'm braced, but I have a feeling this will end up being extremely funny around the middle of next week. I'm already laughing at them for trying, this is so pathetic and pedantic and dull. Read that whole thing in Comic Book Guy's voice.
Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
Did they hire Gordon as campaign director?

The DNC suffers from a collective form of Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder.

But according to Air Force officials, Air National Guardsmen are not counted as members of the active-duty Air Force.”

Ok now THAT is nitpicking.

Bloody brilliant! The badly forged memos just gave Bush a teflon coating on the issue, and now Kerry's making it the centerpiece of his campaign? Vay iz mir! I should have enemies this stupid!

Plus, typewriters capable of superscript were available in 1972.

Do the Dems realize how they'll sound? Are they that tone-deaf? They shriek that the president has lied and is a coward and a draft-dodger, then say that any failure to accept Kerry's claims at face value is "questioning his patriotism."

Unbelievable. I guess they decided "Well, we're going to lose anyway. Let's just go completely nuts."

Through all of this they are trying to paint bush as some slacker rich kid. But here's the rub: Nobody cares what Bush did in 1972. If this is all the Dems got, get the fork out, they are done.

They wont get away with this so easily -- CBS News' main witness has jumped ship:

The New York Times
September 12, 2004

An Ex-Officer Now Believes Guard Memo Isn't Genuine

By RALPH BLUMENTHAL and JIM RUTENBERG

A former National Guard commander who CBS News said had helped convince it of the authenticity of documents raising new questions about President Bush's military service said on Saturday that he did not believe they were genuine.

The commander, Bobby Hodges, said in a telephone interview that network producers had never showed him the documents but had only read them to him over the phone days before they were featured Wednesday in a "60 Minutes" broadcast. After seeing the documents on Friday, Mr. Hodges said, he concluded that they were falsified.

Mr. Hodges, 74, who was group commander of Mr. Bush's squadron in the 147th Fighter Group at Ellington Field in Houston in the early 1970's, said that when someone from CBS called him on Monday night and read him documents, "I thought they were handwritten notes."

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

CBS News "verified" the documents by reading them to Hodges over the phone.

This is going to be an interesting week...

This nonsense will turn voters off, look for another Bush surge.
 

He was flying in the "Air National Guard" not the Army NG, not the Navy NG, which branch of the service do the democrats think that's affiliated with?

Wait, I think I just accused the democrats of thought. Silly me.

According to this they are reaching to try and say he said he served in the "active duty Air Force" when instead he claims and in my opinion rightly so (but then again I am a partisan non military person who basically knows jack) he served in the USAF, but he doesn't claim "active duty". Its a reach that proves they are desperate.

Quick OT --
Folks, I have a small favor to ask! Could y'all please check out my new update of zombie's protest photos and tell me if the video links work for you (scroll down the page -- there are six different videos)? They work for my Mac, but I want to make sure they work on Windows browsers as well. Post your feedback here. Thanks! Hopefully, Charles will make a thread on them soon. Just want to be sure they're all hunky-dory before going live. Thanks.

Also on Drudge is this hilary-making line: "KERRY: 'I don’t know what you’re talking about in terms of the Bush bounce'..."

chortle

I also notice that the fake memos are receding further into the distance. The media is like Dr Frankenstein desperately trying to reanimate their undead candidate.

I wonder who will be around on November 3rd to pick up the pieces of the utterly destroyed media when Kerry loses?

We are documenting this all for posterity at Wikipedia. See:

Wikipedia: Killian Memos

Wikipedia: 60 Minutes

Wikipedia: Dan Ra^ther

Wikipedia: George W. Bush military service controversy

The Dems have been trying--and failing--to use Bush's National Guard service in every election he's been in since 1994. This flogged filly ain't just dead; she's decomposed.

Flyers distributed to Texas voters during Bush’s failed Congressional race say ‘he served in the U.S. Air Force and the Texas Air National Guard

Someone please verify: what does the uniform of a person serving in the Air National Guard say?  My understanding is it says "US Air Force," is this correct?
 

I hope the Democrats just keep going down this direction. Because, I really don't think anyone cares except for people who are already in the "Bush lied" camp who will NOT be voting for Bush.

The scandal over the forged CBS memos was always more about CBS, Dan Rather, and the Democratic Party than Bush.

Even if the memos had been true, did anyone really care? Was there even anything in them that was earthshattering or new?

Seems like the Democrats are self-destructing, and the liberal media are going along with them in their desperate attempts to prop up the sinking ship.

zombie, I'm downloading one right now on an XP machine and all seems to be well...it's finished downloading so shortly I'll be able to see it...c'mon Quicktime you slow bastard...grr...Later! Later! Why do you keep asking! You're forcing me to tell a lie on a regular basis, because there is no later, I will NEVER EVER EVER upgrade to Quicktime Pro! Jerks. OK here it. It works just fine :-)

You know what would be funny? Get the guy who played Puddy (Elaines boyfriend) on Sienfeld to do spots for W.

Puddy behind a podium, talking to reporters, quoting Kerrys actual words:

"Ladies and gentelman of the press, and Mr Krugman, I just want to state for the record that I voted for the war, but never imagined Bush would actually ever go to war... I voted for the bill to supply our troops before I voted against it... I am all for moving troops out of Europe but not if Mr Bush is the one doing it"...

The only thing more deadly to a politician than a bullet to the noodle is mocking laughter.

I just posted something about this over at Roger Simon's site. It seems pretty obvious to me that these forged documents were meant to be the opening salvo in an (or, rather, another) attack on the President's National Guard service. Note:

- Immediately after the 60 Minutes piece, at least one major paper began doing stories about how angry current National Guard members were about Bush' supposed slackness in discharging his duties.

- A 60 Minutes producer was caught sending out mail that was basically searching for disgruntled military members who would support her assertion that Bush was allowing our troops to suffer with inadequate supplies and equipment. She expressed particular interest in anyone who could tell her some stories about how much worse the National Guard was being treated than the rest of the military.

- Kerry is slated to speak in front of an assemblage of National Guard members sometime soon -- I think it may be October. This booking was probably made on the assumption that a sufficient anti-Bush frenzy (amongst Guard members) will have been worked up by then.

-The Texans for Truth (or whatever they were called) ads.

But, of course, the Kerry campaign is not coordinating with any 527's, or the media. Nooo, they would never do that

Too little, too late.

Eat shit, Dhimmicrats. The Americans are too smart to elect another Jhimmi the Dhimmi.

On Sunday, Sep. 12, 2004, TIME published John Kerry's responses to some tough, hard-hitting questions:

Have you come to any new conclusions about whom you're running against and what you have to do to win?

What do you need to do to make this race about what you want it to be about?

A number of your allies have said that you haven't drawn a clear contrast between yourself and President Bush on Iraq.

Is the President being as aggressive as he should be in dealing with insurgent strongholds in Iraq?

How would you get our Allies more involved in Iraq when diplomats say that it is not in our allies' political interest?

As President, who would be the first person you would phone?

You can't be more specific?

Will you be more specific about timetables for getting troops out?

Do you think President Bush shirked his duties during the Vietnam era?

How would you go about winning the war of ideas in the Middle East?

If I could get back to politics—

Were you too slow in responding to the Swift Boat ads? Do you wish you had been more aggressive?

What did you think of the speech of your Democratic colleague Zell Miller at the Republican Convention?

Our latest poll indicates that terrorism has become the No. 1 issue for voters.

One question that has left the President at a loss for words is whether he has had regrets. Do you?

Are you surprised at the bounce Bush got out of his convention?

[“I don't know what you're talking about in terms of the Bush bounce.”]

It sounds as if you think the Bush strategy is based on scaring the country.

Though questions, indeed!

#20 William

My understanding is it says "US Air Force," is this correct?

100%

Optical centering in MS word? on Peterduncan.net says that word does not center on the middle of the page but instead on the "optical center" Does Anyone have more information on this? We can't let up putting more and more nails into this coffin until CBS retracts.

Muslim World Today, whoever they are, apparently specializes in this sort of thing:

Liberal America, Europe Slowly Rebelling Against The Values Required For Civilized Existence

Dear Jews, everywhere, I would like to point out the time bomb likely to explode in your faces. It has already been detonated in France. When it happens in the country you call home, you may be shocked and unprepared, so I present this letter to you as a warning. In it, I will inform you of some basic facts – facts that can never be changed.

Oops, Freudian slip in my #17, it should be hilarity making, not hilary making, which conjures up a terrifying mental image.

This Texas Air National Guard page features the US Air Force logo:

[Link: www.txkell.ang.af.mil...]

Looks like another DNC backfire...
 

It will be interesting to see how John McCain responds to this. He harshly condemned the Swiftboat vets for putting out indepenendent ads, but now what will he do in response to a nakedly negative and coordinated Democrat- sponsored attack on Bush's National Guard service?

McCain now holds power to make this backfire on the Democrats in a HUGE way. The media have raised his stock to the point where they could never refuse to cover his comments if he wanted to get before the cameras.

I don't believe the story can really hurt Bush, but I think it easily has the potential to backfire in a way to now put the election out of reach for Kerry.

The key is McCain. If he ever wants to run for president again, he'd better start talking.

As a former ANG member (and active and reserve AF), I've been wanting to throttle Terry McAuliffe ever since he started insulting national guard service. The national guard is different than active duty, but it's service nonetheless.

They insult fellow Americans while trying to bring down Bush and show the rest of the world they are sophisticated. This so-called "party of tolerance" is getting on my last nerve.

I wonder if the media will dig into John Kerry's FBI file. I'm sure there is some interesting infomation in those files that might shed some light on his ability to be commandar and chief...

#16 Zombie

Works fine in XP with IE6.

This is all they've got.

How can you sell this guy?

"One man with courage makes a majority."
-- Andrew Jackson

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."
-- Franklin Roosevelt

"The buck stops here."
-- Harry Truman

"Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
-- John Kennedy

"This isn't going to be some kind of, you know, we're-like-them-they're-like-us-wishy-washy-mealy- mouth-you-can't-tell-the-difference deal. This is going to be something where we're giving America a real choice."
-- John Kerry

If the Kerry campaign does make a major attack on Bush's National Guard service this week, then it is only making it obvious that they are trying to coordinate with CBS.

Under the new campaign rules this year (they ones that spawned all the 527s), doesn't that raise the possibility that CBS might get yanked off the air as an illegal campaign ad?

Did Karl Rove put something in their soy lattes? This is nuts.

#23 Mr. E. Train

Yes, or maybe the guy who played J. Peterman, a tall, distinguished-looking man who droned on while others in the room sought escape.

Yeah, that reminds me of Kerry.

anybody notice they are talking about flyers distributed in 1978? By Bush's campaign? They can't be this stupid--it's like watching somebody beating themselves up with their own baseball bat. Actually, my pet theory to explain all of this crap is that John Kerry is still burning with 35 year old rage that his dad's name wasn't enough to get him a deferment/guard slot. Frankly, who really wanted to go to Vietnam? Even my very republican father said that Bill Clinton was smart to do anything he could to stay out of that place. I don't think the Bush family requested his guard slot, but that shifty political weasel Barnes probably thought he'd get some kind of scooby-snack if Bush got his TANG application accepted. Perhaps Mr. Barnes has been waiting all these years and has finally reallized that nothing is coming his way...so now he figures he'll try to stick it to the Bushes and get his ugly mug on TV at the same time.

The Kerry campaign must be getting desperate. 1) Viking Pundit links to an article in the Boston Globe on the 'cruel electoral math':

Forget Missouri. Get ready to bail on Ohio

The Kerry campaign is pulling ads in states that were once thought to be competitive and a cruel electoral math is emerging. From the Boston Globe “Kerry faces tinier battlefield after Bush’s bounce in polls”:

President Bush's postconvention bounce in state and national polls has left Democratic challenger John F. Kerry with a smaller battlefield upon which to contest the presidential election and a potentially more difficult route to an electoral college victory than his advisers envisioned only a few months ago.

[Link: vikingpundit.blogspot.com...]

2) Captain Ed links to a pathetic attempt by the WaPo to rehabilitate Teresa: "Evelyn Nieves tries her best to rebuild the reputation of Teresa Heinz Kerry in today's Washington Post, offering laughable defenses for her erratic behavior during the campaign. While reading her article, you can almost feel the breeze coming from Nieves's spin."

[Link: www.captainsquartersblog.com...]

there is simply no way this line of attack can work to the dems advantage.

if they went after the drug use or dui's or whatever it might do some damage...

but man... you have to be deluded to think that going negative on the guard service during a week when THE STORY is going ot be that you might have been behind some forged documents about guard service...

you know the people who run a presidential campaign end up runniing the presidential administration (if they win)...

more than ANYTHING else this is an argument to keep kerry out of the white house... these people are idiots.

Me:
My understanding is [the Air National Guard uniform] says "US Air Force," is this correct?

Reaganite:
100%

Thanks for confirming.

This is complete DNC desperation...
 

My father and I were discussing this yesterday. He is retired Air Force. He served with Bobbie Hodges at Elington.__...Ref the Bush letters on his ANG service: our paper quoted the Elington ANG commander from the Bush period who said he saw the four memos and believes they are forgeries. I worked with him, Bobbie, in Houston during our move from Elington to Bergstrom and I'd believe him before Rather every time. Even I can tell they were made by someone not in the military during the 60's or 70's.
Love, Dad

im starting to wonder if this might be a simple case of fighter pilot envy...

ony 2 kinds of people: those who fly jets and those who wish they flew jets...

(and I'm a helicopter pilot... but jets are pretty cool).

Geepers, some more recent Kerry quotes (though less 'nuanced'):

"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture, don't have the judgment to be President or the credibility to be elected President."
        - John Kerry

"Today marks a tragic milestone in the war in Iraq ... America's sons and daughters have now given their lives on behalf of their country, on behalf of freedom, the war on terror."
        - John Kerry

"I wish they had a delete button on LexisNexis."
        - John Kerry
 

Yes, they are, as usual nitpicking.

My son in law serve active duty in the Air Force and then after as a reservist in the Air National Guard which he reported to the Air Force Base.

As mentioned above already --they are just trying to imply that he "claimed" he was in the Air Force but any one with a mind would know that the Air Force unit was defined by saying the Air National Guard.

They are genuinely insensitive because the reservists contribute just as much to our military.

This is exactly why I think that Terry McAuliffe and the leaders of the DNC are deeply involved in Rathergate. I believe that they are the ones who gave Dan the memos--that's why he thinks they are an "unimpeachable" source. McAuliffe's comments about Bush's guard record PRIOR to the CBS 60 Minutes show as well as his tacit confirmation that they are forgeries by saying "It wasn't me--it was Karl Rove" all point to him as the possible mastermind. I think he imagined this was the sort of thing Karl Rove did all the time and in an attempt to demonstrate how he was "Kerry's Brain", he concocted the entire plot, directing Burkitt and Moore. I know this is just speculation, but it fits the psychological facts I have currently.

Another brilliant suicide run dreamed up by McAuliffe! This one should definitely work.

Sorry, the part after the ... is my father's email to me( part of it) I am not as handy as the DUers' at the cut and paste function! Not only does he say these things, but also,he insists that he NEVER typed his own heading. He ALWAYS had letterhead. And, if for some strange reason he didn't have letterhead? Well, the secretary had a stamp. NOBODY typed their address heading...period.

zombie

Good pics. The videos work for me. I doubt any of those folks actually read her book. She's not even advocating interning people from the reviews I've read and listening to her interviews.

I just posted something about this under the "Man Behind The Curtain" thread.

Guess who has this "Air Force" stuff on his site?

Michael Moore, in an article dated August 31.

Why won't Kerry release all of his records, by signing I think its the 190 form? Also I really think someone needs to dig into Kerry's FBI file.

This is taking on a life of its own, like Rigoberto Manchu. Sure the story is bullshit, but but but...well, it might as well be true so it's ok because we think it should be true.
Losers!

20 William

That's what my son in laws said. I can't confirm if that was true in the 70's or if it is true now.

But his reserve uniforms were designated US AIR FORCE. He was was in Saudi in the "other Gulf war."

zombie, some of them worked for me and some didn't. The ones that didn't are the 3rd ("WOT has got to go"), 4th, and 5th.

But it might just be me.

reaganite:

#20 William

My understanding is it says "US Air Force," is this correct?
100%

What a relief; I was worried it might say Mexican Air Force or something. :-)

I'm not familiar with USAF or Air Guard uniforms.

BTW: I'm a Marine in the same sense that Dan Rather claims to be a Marine. I signed up during the Korean War but was cut because of a congenital health problem.

Jano can bite my crank!

Bite me, Jano! It's in the bag and we're out with the long sticks for you now.

Jump in, the waters fine!

#51 me

meant to say she's not really advocating interning people today, but she understands the need for racial profiling.

OT - US chopper nails a car swarm in Iraq -- AND bags a hostile reporter covering it!
Link via Drudge...

[note how the headlines now fail to say *who* died, in a switch from the US body count pasttime -- I guess they're hoping the public will confuse hostile KIA #s with US KIAs]

Surge of Baghdad Violence Leaves 60 Dead

...
At least 37 people were killed in Baghdad alone. Many of them died when a U.S. helicopter fired on a disabled U.S. Bradley fighting vehicle as Iraqis swarmed around it, cheering, throwing stones and waving the black and yellow sunburst banner of Iraq's most-feared terror organization.

The dead from the helicopter strike included Arab television reporter Mazen al-Tumeizi, who screamed, ``I'm dying, I'm dying,'' as a cameraman recorded the chaotic scene. An Iraqi cameraman working for the Reuters news agency and an Iraqi freelance photographer for Getty Images were wounded.

Maimed and lifeless bodies of young men and boys lay in the street as the stricken U.S. vehicle was engulfed in flames and thick black smoke.
...

...And while they're looking,explain the Medal with the "combat V " that was NEVER ISSUED by the Navy!!!
OOOPPPSSS Sorry, That was j f'n k who claimed to have received the medal that never was!!!
He even has "documentation" to prove it!

"Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad."
--Euripides (484-406 B.C.)

evariste, RurouniKenshin -- thanks! I'm now confident the page is perfect.

I thereby invite you all to check out my new page of photos and videos documenting a wild protest at a lecture given by sexpot Fox News commentator Michelle Malkin at U.C. Berkeley!

And while you're at it, don't miss out on my photo essay of a San Francisco protest in support of the failed Palestinian "hunger strikers."

Plenty of great zombie action!

#57 Dean Douthat
The only way to tell if someone is Active, Guard, or Reserve while wearing the uniform is unit patches. While deployed the only way to tell is if they tell you. Same uniform, same service.

Fuck the DNC.

It is time to demand kerry release all records pertaining to his 'service'...and NOW.

I've heard of Air Force pilot training, but never Air National Guard Pilot training...who trained GW?...Fed Ex?

38 Ms. Andi, I suspect terrorists of slipping them drugs. It's non-stop hallucination time, hmmm?

Another Texas Air National Guard website featuring the "US Air Force" logo:

[Link: www.tx.ang.af.mil...]

Also note that all Air National Guard websites fall under the af.mil (US Air Force) domain.

Regardless, all this Democrat denigrating of America's National Guard forces is despicable.
 

Am I insane, or could Begala Lockhart et al be intentionally torpedoing Kerruy's candidacy?

The smart strategy is for Kerry to shift the focus to the domestic issues and "stop talking about viet Nam". Yet, he is pressing the loser Nationalk Guard issue, based on forged documents no less.

#16 zombie
all working in Firefox on Win XP Pro

[Link: blogspirator.blogspot.com...]

"George W. Bush's campaign literature claimed that he 'served in the
U.S. Air Force.' The only problem? He didn't," slams a new DNC press
release set for distribution.

Link contains evidence from the ANG website History page that the ANG
*is* part of the Air Force.

Also, the ANG website is [Link: www.ang.af.mil...]

Guess what af.mil means?

cba, they're all working for me. Must be your computer :-(

If there isn't an outrage for from the media for Kerry to release all of his records after the CBS blunder, then there is no dought the major medias are all liberal bais Kerry supporters.

William (#46),

I do like this one:

"The greatest position of strength is by exercising the best judgement in the pursuit of diplomacy," he said, "not in some trumped-up, so-called coalition of the bribed, the coerced, the bought and the extorted, but in a genuine coalition."

-- John Kerry

Here's something that has bugged me all weekend...besides the obvious...Kerry went to a Baptist convention in New Orleans. One person was quoted as saying that Kerry "relates" to them.
Can anyone explain to me how a white millionare self-professed Catholic whom the Catholic church has denounced, from a state that has one of the lowest minority amounts in the country, "relate" to an evangelical African-American Baptist???

McAuliffe is starting to believe his own smears. The bright side of the election is that whoever wins, this reprobate will be out of the limelight. If Kerry rallies, he'll want his own man rather than a Clinton leftover. If Kerry loses, McAuliffe is dog meat.

Kerry once said that joining the National Guard is akin to being a draft dodger. Can someone dig up a link with the exact quote? It's sure to go over well with the NG. Someone should ask Kerry if he'll continue recruiting for the NG if he's elected.

Also, there's a memo from the 1970s where a military officer documents that Bush completed his obligation and was entitled to an honorable discharge. Can someone produce a link to the pdf file that doesn't take forever to download?

Thanks in advance.

Can the DNC really believe this is going to benefit them with the military and reservists?

When the previously claimed that GWB was a "draft dodger" for joining the National Guard?

When someone has pointed out that training to be a fighter pilot in the guard during a war wasn't exactly the way to AVOID the possibility of being called up for active duty.

zombie

LOL! Scary Couple!

#67 adie

You're probably right. They probably gave them laced Zam-Zam and Mecca Cola knowing their response would be, "Oh, how ethic, quaint and anti-coporate, I'll have some."

Guess who I was at the bar with, well, kinda with, they were about 2 stools down.
And my motherfuc*ingstupiddamnfreakingsonofabit*hdumbmoth erfu*kinga*s left my camera on my desk !!! AAARRRGGGHHH !!!

Charles wrote: "The release of the forged Killian documents was just the opening salvo of a DNC dirt-slinging offensive.

Well, so far all the dirt they've slung has ended up all over their own faces.

BTW, did anybody catch Kerry's remarks regarding the North Korean explosion? He said it showed that Bush's policies were a huge failure.

What a low-blow. What a disengenuous low-blow at that. It was the kid-gloves treatment from the Clinton administration that got us to where we're at with NK and nukes.

When you add this to the fact that Kerry suggested helping the Iranians with nuclear fuel and you realize that if elected this man would be a total disaster.

ev, the weird thing is some of them worked for me--I would have thought it was an all-or-nothing kinda deal (the ones that didn't work said I was missing a plug-in, which I thought was kinda personal... )

Bush applied and was rejected for a program that would have resulted in an assignment to Vietnam.

If Bush is a "Fortunate Son" (a popular 1988 Dukakis song), what is Kerry? A "Fortunate Husband"?

By the way, the composer of Fortunate Son served in the National Guard. See last week's Instapundit archive.

RWC

Ummm, was it Ra^ther?

AP Report -- At least 37 people were killed in Baghdad alone. Many of them died when a U.S. helicopter fired on a disabled U.S. Bradley fighting vehicle as Iraqis swarmed around it, cheering, throwing stones and waving the black and yellow sunburst banner of Iraq's most-feared terror organization.

Thanks for posting that, the spin from the "mainstream" media I've been hearing all day didn't tell the whole story.
 

74 Jeepers, Kerry has never had a single genuine thing in his entire life, no less a genuine coalition, IMHO.

The so-called smoking gun document for this meme has been featured all day on the DU main webpage.

They claim it's an old campaign brochure.

This is different documentation than the CBS memos.

Oh, Canada!

Throughout August, the American political debate was dominated by claims from more than 200 Vietnam veterans -- the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth --who served alongside Mr. Kerry, that he had at best exaggerated his service record and, at worst, outright falsified major portions of it. It might not seem particularly biased, then, for the American media to turn its gaze on Mr. Bush's service record.

But it is.

The difference between the two is who is driving the story. In the case of Mr. Kerry's record, the media were mostly observers. ...

In the case of Mr. Bush's wartime service stateside, in the Guard, nearly all the dredging has been done by journalists. ...

Curiously, though, the news service has launched no similar suit in an attempt to retrieve Mr. Kerry's missing records.

I swear, I thought we had lost Canada (I'm a Michigander with Canadian friends, and they have really been sniffing at us and Bush). I couldn't find a signature by Mark Steyn - though this may be his paper.

The whole thing is a breath of fresh air.

I say RELEASE all Kerry's records and most importanly I want his FBI records exposed showing what he was involved in. a link to a great web link about potential FBI files. [Link: www.newsmax.com...]

(#63) zombie

From your Pali "Hunger Strike" solidarity event:

His T-shirt sported the message "Israeli Crowd Control," but I couldn't figure out what the image depicted.

That "Israeli Crowd Control" image is supposed to be a bullet. Hilarious, no?

If you want to see a full image, go to (you guessed it) Electronic Intifada - they have an "ad" for it. I don't want to sully this thread with a link to it though. ;-)

“Flyers distributed to Texas voters during Bush’s failed Congressional race say ‘he served in the U.S. Air Force and the Texas Air National Guard.’ But according to Air Force officials, Air National Guardsmen are not counted as members of the active-duty Air Force.”

...and John Kerry claimed, until very recently, that he spent Christmas 1968 in Cambodia. Who's the bigger liar?

69 jeffy

Maybe Rush is right. He thinks Clinton's old staffers are out to ruin Kerry. It's as good a theory as any about why they seem so good at saying exactly the wrong thing.

The release of the forged Killian documents was just the opening salvo of a DNC dirt-slinging offensive.

Which CBS, the AP, and the Boston Globe are complicit in. I'm not one for conspiracies, but this is looking more and more like a coordinated strategy. The last paragaph of this Michael Moore blog post indicates a coordinated offense.

This might explain why CBS is so reticent to retract, and why the Globe seems to be assisting. The memos were the first step in a multi-part plan. This seems more or less obvious as far as those three media outlets go.

The question is how much they're cooperating with the Democratic Party and the Kerry campaign.

I'm issuing a temporary fatwa until RWC tells us who he was in the bar with.

The release of the forged Killian documents was just the opening salvo of a DNC dirt-slinging offensive.

Which CBS, the AP, and the Boston Globe are complicit in. I'm not one for conspiracies, but this is looking more and more like a coordinated strategy. The last paragaph of this Michael Moore blog post indicates a coordinated offense.

This might explain why CBS is so reticent to retract, and why the Globe seems to be assisting. The memos were the first step in a multi-part plan. This seems more or less obvious as far as those three media outlets go.

The question is how much they're cooperating with the Democratic Party and the Kerry campaign.

87 bigel

ROFL !!

80 RWC

I give up. Ooooh, The suspense!

DNC, please spend all your money, yes, every last dollar, on these ads denouncing Bush's ANG service. It's really going to turn things around for you guys. You know, the number one concern in the voters' minds is what George Bush did over thirty years ago and not what he has done over the last four years. Plus, any citizens who volunteered in the National Guard will be thanking you for showing the American people the truth about the importance of their service.

OT and just starting to read this thread, but I wanted to mention a poster on Belmont Club who described a possible sting operation. I don't have the link, so you have to scroll down to find the poster.

He/she describes a plot like "The Sting" with Paul Newman and Robert Redford (?) I like this kind of story--payback for Dan Rather's smearing of the army over Abu Graib. It would make a great movie, even if not true. Just change the names.

Anyway, fun to read and contemplate.

I was active duty AF and the ANG went through basic training with us. We would then see them on the weekends doing their training, as they would be on base, where the jets are.

more OT, but oh well...

from idf.il: They were tipped off that a suicide bomber was headed from Nablus into Israel. A taxi was spotted trying to evade a roadblock, and when pursued, something was thrown from the cab. What was thrown was the bomb. The video is of the IDF robot examining the bomb, which is then detonated in a controlled manner.

[Link: www1.idf.il...]

(right+click and save to disk, then watch)

File under: what happened while we were all busy playing with fonts and kerning.

The robots are dispensed from this:

[Link: www.defense-update.com...]

#94,

Is Clinton really a pragmatic moderate who wants to rescue his party from the LLL fever swamps?

Depends upon the meaning of "is". Sure he'll be glad to ride to the rescue...

Kerry is the Zebra that never changes its stripes.
He came back from Vietnam and ruthlessly attached the honor of every soldier who fought there to advance his political career. He was willing to use lies, liars and faked testimony to do this. He did not care who suffered.
Now he is attacking ruthlessly attacking President Bush and anyone who served in the Guard. He is willing to use lies, liars and faked documents to do this. He does not care who suffers as a result.

OT -- Asian Brown Cloud May be Killing Us

There has not been enough written about Asia's Brown Cloud the greed-induced blanket of smog that sits over south China. If we had something like there here we would do something about it. But it seems in China, they're not going to spend a plug nickle on something like the environment. After all, where's the percentage?

They're already wrecking our health with their sh*t. Nobody's going to do a damn thing about it because they're on the right side politcially with the liberals. You got a better explanation? If we were doing this the rest of the world would be on our case big time.

Asian haze poses 'widespread threat'

"ASIAN BROWN CLOUD" CHANGING NORMAL WEATHER PATTERNS?

Asian Brown Cloud Poses Global Threat

OT -- Asian Brown Cloud May be Killing Us

There has not been enough written about Asia's Brown Cloud the greed-induced blanket of smog that sits over south China. If we had something like there here we would do something about it. But it seems in China, they're not going to spend a plug nickle on something like the environment. After all, where's the percentage?

They're already wrecking our health with their sh*t. Nobody's going to do a damn thing about it because they're on the right side politcially with the liberals. You got a better explanation? If we were doing this the rest of the world would be on our case big time.

Asian haze poses 'widespread threat'

"ASIAN BROWN CLOUD" CHANGING NORMAL WEATHER PATTERNS?

Asian Brown Cloud Poses Global Threat

#90 jdwill:

I couldn't find a signature by Mark Steyn - though this may be his paper.

It was his paper, but alas no more. However, the Post remains the most sane National paper in Canada and its editorial policy is firmly pro USA.

For more Canadian class, see here!

sorry for double post -- network error.

Even more self-inflicted wounds for Kerry.

In my opinion it was Kerry's reaction to the SBVs ads that hurt him. Instead of putting on his big boy pants and dealing with them he whined. He accused Bush repeatedly about being behind the ads while seating Michael Moore next to Carter at the DNC. He send Cleland down to TX in a pathetic stunt, and whined continually about Bush not stopping the SBVs. If Bush stopped them would that imply he controlled them?

He keeps throwing the grenade over the side of the Boat and he gets shrapnel in his ass every time.

Slime Time Live

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Put on your rain coats and keep your shovels handy.

But will they be able to hold back the tears of rage?

#45: You know helicopters don't actually fly, right? They're just so ugly, the earth repels them.

If CBS got the memos from anyone but a partisan Democrat, they would have revealed the source the instant there was a whiff of trouble. So, no, Karl Rove, Republicans, soldiers, freemasons, bildebergers, Vatican, Priory of Zion, Zionists, did not have anything to do with it.

I smell Ben Barnes. He's good friends with Kerry and Rather.

I'm sure the recent arrival of clinton's bagmen to take over the s.s minnow and the campaign suddenly veering in a most sleazy direction are nothing more than mere coincidence...

to quote "office space," riiight.

#107 Fay
Thanks, I had forgotten about that!

More hopeful news (Colorado is a close battleground state)

Colorado -Rosen: Kerry record indefensible

So he's buried his anti-war activism, his public appearances with Hanoi Jane and his 20-year Senate voting record. He's dug up his once discarded ribbons and is running on his four months of combat service in 'Nam. "I'm John Kerry, and I'm reporting for duty!"

It might as well be Michael Moore.

I guess Kerry's ignoring BJ Clinton's excellent advice to STOP TALKING ABOUT VIETNAM!

night everyone. thank you all for being here, and Charles for this place.

This issue was already raised and addressed by the Bush campaign back in 1999. This news report was found by a very industrious person at Free Republic.

[Link: www.theunionleader.com...]

The Dems continue to dig themselves into a hole that they will not be able to get out of. There is going to be a major splashback as more and more of the public accept the CBS documents as the forgeries that they are. The Dems won't be able to back away from the fact that they have engineered two weeks (so far) of political attacks on the President based on FORGED documents.

#69 jeffy,

but if they shift to domestic, what are they going to talk about? How crime is down and has stayed down?

Kerry should have taken Clinton's advice. This isn't going to win him any votes.

The implosion continues.

What is it with Dead men and Kerry? First all the men who died in Vietnam were rapist and murderers. And now a dead Lt. Col. in Air National Guard is being used to smear President Bush.

heh...

clinton is giving the Kerry campaign rudder orders to take them over the cliff...

he really really really really liked living in the white house...

he would really really really like to do it again.

#80 RWC

I may be way off base, but I thought you were in the DC area - Was it some of the Swift Vets?

Ms. Andi - if it was Danny Boy, I'm guessing he would have been complaining about leaving a weapon at home!

Want something tasty to go with that last weekend drink? :)

"I posted this theory on my website: [Link: moneyrunner.blogspot.com...]

In honor of the real author of the Killian Letters, I am composing these thoughts on Microsoft Word using Times New Roman (TNR) and 12 point font.

Remember the movie “The Sting?”

Paul Newman and Robert Redford team up in this 1973 movie to rob a mob boss who had a friend killed. .

Ever since it became obvious that the Killian letters were forgeries, the question was asked: who did it? Was it the usual suspect: someone in the Kerry dirty tricks department? Others have been named: Dan Rather himself, Carl Rove, Bill Burkett (a disgruntled former National Guard officer), CBS News producer Mary Mapes?

Here’s my theory: the Killian Letters were a sting operation originating somewhere in the military designed to kill at least four birds with one stone. And I think it’s going to work.

Back to “The Sting.” In the modern version, the mob boss is Dan Rather. As an added bonus we see the destruction of accessories Mary Mapes and Bill Burkett and an indelible stain on CBS. And as icing on the cake: collateral damage to the Kerry campaign.

The motive is Abu Ghraib.

It was Mary Mapes, Dan Rather and CBS News that made Abu Ghraib a household name and smeared the military’s name. They decided to run the story despite Pentagon requests to wait until their internal investigation was complete and despite that damage that the story did to the American cause in the Arab world.

So, here’s the payback. And it’s not over yet because the Pentagon and the Bush administration has been mum so far. My belief is that they will carry the story forward.

Why do I believe the memos were composed by a military man? No ordinary civilian would be sufficiently conversant with military memos to provide both a reasonable forgery (to the civilian eye) of a military document, but one that uses unauthentic nomenclature so that it can be discredited on that basis.

Second, it was typed using a computer to provide another way of destroying its authenticity.

Of course, like any good forgery, it has to be gotten into the right hands. Enter Bill Burkett and Mary Mapes. Bill Burkett has a grudge against the National Guard and George Bush ever since he became ill in 1998 while on duty with the Texan ANG and blames Bush, who was governor of Texas at the time, for failure to provide him with medical care.

Someone (we’ll call him “X”) finds a way of getting the Killian Memos to Burkett. While Burkett is a military man, he is not the sharpest tool in the shed (for a sample of his writing click HERE and scroll to the end). He's had several nervous breakdowns so he overlooks the problems with the memos and gets hold of Mary Mapes, a fellow Texan.

Mapes has no way of knowing a fake memo from the real one, but believes that, thanks to Burkett’s familiarity with the Texas ANG, she’s got a real scoop.

The memos pass up the food chain reaching Rather. Rather, a devout Liberal, wants to believe these are real. He is also a technophobe without a clue about computers, Microsoft Word, fonts, superscripts or any of the other wonders of modern computer technology being able to do what 1973 typewriters could not. Furthermore he doesn’t care. He decides that this is the time to counteract some of the Swift Boat controversy by attacking Bush’s National Guard record (again). As the 700 pound gorilla at CBS news, what Dan wants, Dan gets. So that’s how we get to “60 Minutes” and the Killian Memos."

more ->

103 Dar ul Harb

What an elegant way of putting it. Too bad WJC doesn't have any nifty uniforms.

OT message to Charles (PBUH).

When is registration going to open back up?

You have minions-in-waiting who have only just converted.

They pray to you five times a day, but are unable to post.

If the DNC wishes to start a media blitz assaulting Bush's guard record, they should probably try to start off with documents that aren't forgeries.

Still, their strategy may get traction. For every Lizard who reads 10 news sources by 9am, there are 10 people who only watch Dan Ra^ther every evening.

Some people will be bamboozled by this attack. The question is how many.

Enter the blogosphere. CBS News obligingly puts the memos up on their web site, a major mistake because it gives literally thousands of people with arcane knowledge of computers the opportunity to examine them. Within a few hours, the fraud is exposed. But here’s where the hook is set: CBS and Captain Dan ‘stand by their story.” They have to! That’s the way the Mainstream Media (MSM) has always done business.

The fraud is so obvious, so blatant, and so widely discussed via the Internet that the MSM has to take notice. At this point, most of the MSM articles are referring to the Killian Memos as “disputed” rather than hopelessly discredited. In solidarity with CBS and Captain Dan, they hope the controversy will just go away.

If I’m right, however, there are several more legs to his story. The Bush campaign has not been heard from and neither has the Pentagon. I predict that there will be a reaction from those quarters until there is general public acceptance that CBS and Rather are exposed as having peddled forgeries.

My other prediction: the original forgeries will never be found. They are no longer in existence and Burkett was fed a photocopy. That way the fraud would be less likely to be discovered until it was too late.
# posted by Moneyrunner : 8:05 PM

[Link: belmontclub.blogspot.com...]

mmm

last weekend drink...

I usually wait until noon on friday to have that...

It's OVER...WE'RE SCREWED!!!

We're toast!!...PBS just ran footage of GW buggaring a nine year old Hindu boy at Camp David!!!

Marty may have done it...

I believe this is the first forged document from Martin Heldt. It passed it off without notice and he thought he could do it again. The real document was discredited.

An article written by Nancy Skinner refers to this..

There are two different versions of the document. The one ‘discovered’ by Mr. Loyd and given to George Magazine has handwritten annotations. The other version came from Mr. Bush’s official record through a FOIA request by Martin Heldt. http://www.cis.net/~coldfeet/doc99.gif The FOIA version did not have any annotations.

Her article also refers to August 1, 1972 (Killian grounded Lt. Bush for failure to take his annual physical as ordered), and guess who her source was. You guessed it. Good old FOIA Heldt.

Here is her article. It is not dated, but the article is reposted to an educational/Marxism site and it IS dated...Mon Feb 9 17:21:00 MST 2004

That is a long time before any of this s*** hit the fan.

OT message to Charles (PBUH).

LOL!

Sorry wrong link..

educational/Marxist site with dated article

These people are truly as dumb as a freaking brick.

Today the Gov of our fine state presented awards to three of our Air National Guardsman, two of whom were A-10 pilots (Distinguished Flying Crosses) and one sgt. (Bronze Star). Sure looked like the same uniform as worn by USAF regulars. Perhaps the DNC and the Kerry camp would be happier if the Guard wore NVA uniforms as that would better suit their loyalties. Kerry is living proof that some assholes are beyond the limits of cosmetic proctology.

well z... they are even emailing me... and I dont hit the pipe all that often here... really i dont... i can quit any time i want...

also

for the longest time I thought your nic was z-Lulabye

it was like yesterday that i realilized it was zulu baby...

bizzare? not really.

(it's true, and by that i mean its false...)

wtf is an "educational marxist?"

where i come from we call them "teachers."

I'm worried that the MSM will bury the forgery story, which IMHO is equivalent to Watergate. There should be a criminal investigation to see how far it goes, whether it be the democrats or some Karl Rove conspiracy. IF the media for one minute really believed Rove was behind it, they would be launching a full on assault to get to the bottom of criminal forgery to defraud an election; it would be wall to wall coverage. I think the in-crowd knows full well this is a democratic dirty op because the MSM are acting as passive observers and not aggressively pursuing this criminal fraud, and doing the minimal CYA coverage.

Mmmm...the smell of lefty desperaiton! I love it!

Can you just picture the staff meeting...
Aide #1-We can't run on Iraq or terrorism
Aide #2- We can't get traction on domestic issues
Aide #3- Let's run on untrue stories about Bush 30 years
ago. I mean it didn't work 4 years ago, but let's
give it another shot.

John Flippin Kerry- "Perfect! Get Rather on the phone!"

vtrtl,

for the longest time I thought your nic was z-Lulabye

What? LOL. Lulu for short? :-) I dunno. Anyway, invite your friends over!

get a load of this report:

Framing the debate: It's all GOP
By George Lakoff | September 12, 2004

How do Republicans continually frustrate Democrats, keeping them on the defensive? It's not just their media control (Fox News, Clear Channel, etc.), it's not just the $2 billion they've put into think tanks over the past 30 years, and it's not just lies and dirty tricks. It's their skill at "framing."

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Media control? HUH??? Who the FILK are they kidding?

This entire episode has freaked me out.

Clearly there is some shady, behind the scenes sinister stuff going on here.

Assuming the story continues on its current trajectory--I say within a week or two we have a high level defection from the CBS camp. I think it will be somebody below Dan Rather who sees that he is now permanently radioactive, so this person turns on Rather in order to salvage a career that will be destroyed otherwise.

Assume that this person leads the bloggers (Forget the MSM--they are frikkin worthless!) to the right clues and it becomes apparent, backed by concrete evidence and good reporting, that the forgeries originated with the Kerry campaign.

(I believe all of what I laid out above will happen--"Deep Throat/Watergate" style).

What happens next?

I mean, CLEARLY these people will be disqualified from ever coming within 500 yards of the oval office.

But could Kerry actually drop out of the race over this?

Personally, i don't know. I am having trouble as it is even coming to grips with the chess moves so far of the DNC and the Kerry campaign.

Have they gone crazy?

To me it looks that way, and this is all the more reason why these goons can never have the presidency.

They are proving themselves to be WORSE in every respect than even their most hyperbolic delusions about the Bush team.

In my mind, people who will do what it appears Rather, McAuliffe, Kerry (??) and co. are doing will stop at nothing.

My fear is that this will lead to civil unrest, as I think these irrational and insane political calculations by the other side are merely a manifestation of an insanity that has infected much of the Bush-hating left.

Could this lead to domestic unrest of homegrown terrorism? I mean as a way of "opposing" a White House that these people proved they couldn't effectively oppose through the ballot box?

I look at John Edwards the other day trotting out accusations and saying Bush has to answer to the memos!! But if the Kerry/Edwards campaign produced the memos themselves, this is the height of insanity!

And then Kerry talking about how the republicans suppressed the black vote in Florida (untrue!).

Are they laying the groundwork for a strategy of "direct action" after the election?

If so, it could get very nasty and dangerous in the coming years.

My problem is that what is happening now is so insane and unfathomable that I don't know how to process it through my normal mental filter.

Are others feeling this way?

That other link is to the georgemag.com archive article, dated 10-10-00.

Yet again, Terry McAuliffe proves that he is the absolute best Chairman of the DNC that the Republicans could have ever hoped for.

Q - What is the definition of insanity?

A - Trying the same thing over and over and over again, expecting different results.

#90, There are a lot of us with our heads screwed on right here in the true north strong and free. Unfortunately the federal government is not included in that assessment.
Yesterday in my town there was a commemoration ceremony at the cenotaph. The local MP was there and in the crowd attending, there were families with small children.
The same night at a fund rainsing concert with a male choir from Hamilton, there were several references to the events of three years ago and selections in commemoration.
Today in church the rector took the gospel reading as the basis for his sermon about the tragedy.
Alas from our elected representatives nada, rien, nothing. Despicable.

#123 Lyana

My apologies. To you and others who asked. I thought that I put it in my original post. But no, I kinda sorta had drinks with these gals :-)

And LLL - before you start - read what I said. I - me - my - not another - had drinks. They didn't.

So Danno, if your reading this, I am not your unimpeachable source for some bullshi* story you want to run !

I really can't deal with the irony of democrats positioning themselves as outraged guardians of military honor. I also wonder how having democrats (pro-choice and pro-drug) try to sling mud at Pres. Bush over supposed drug use and a possible former girlfriend's abortion over 20 years ago is supposed to appeal to the mythical undecided voter. How can you be pro-choice (which I am) and think it's cool to say that somebody can't be president because of a possible girlfriend's abortion in his past?

#53 JMorgan

Why won't Kerry release all of his records, by signing I think its the 190 form? Also I really think someone needs to dig into Kerry's FBI file.

SF 180. Bush signed one, Kerry didn't and probably won't -- if only because if he were to release all of his records, we'd likely find that he is not entitled to his awards.

Not that it matters in the long run -- the Navy IG is looking into it. I'm waiting to see what they find. :)

#142

It's the end of the world as we know it , and I feel fine.

It's very brothersome that the Democrats don't know that the Air National Guard is part of the US Air Force. What is really brothersome is that they are just one election away from defending us against terrorism.

How are reservists reacting to the continuing smears on behalf of the democratic party and their current presidential candidate on their service?

Inquiring minds really, really want to know...

#146 me

As usual, my link is F'd - here are the gals.

Hopefully.

WOW - even Clinton has advised Kerry not to go this route. I guess Kerry figures since he was exposed as a traitor to our Country and earned phony "purple heart" band-aids, he now has to try and discredit Bush. I don't care about Bush's past - he has proven himself as a capable leader and President. What has Kerry shown? Kerry and Edwards won't even resign from the Senate - why? They need something to fall back on when they lose the election. At least Bob Dole had the dignity to resign. Is there a connection between the DNC's newest adventure and Dan Rather's "FORGED" memos? You bet. It a shame that a major network anchor is trying to influence the American people through forgery and deceit.

Please go to , go to the bottom of the page and click on "Contact Us". Voice your displeasure with Dan Rather and the FRAUDULENT memos. The more e-mails they recieve, the better. It's time for the American people to be heard.

P.S. Check out these great sites for evidence that the memos are FRAUDULENT:

www.flounder.com/bush.htm

www.ibmcomposer.org

LSD,

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

Does that have anything to do with the acid?

RWC - Better that time.

Don't worry - Danno has to be drinking more than you at this point...

#124 quark2 . . .

Was that you who came up with the great sting plot I referred to in my post #100 re Belmont Club?

If so, it's pure genius.

OT

Kerry claimed today that "one million African American votes" went uncounted in the last election. What the hell is he smoking? Does he realize how high a percentage that is? Using the turnout rate last tiem and the number of AA citizens, there would have been about 12,000,000 black voters (assuming they voted at the same rate as other ethnic groups). He really thinks that 1 in 12 went uncounted?

What idiocy!

#128, Quark2. That at the very least woud serve as the outline for the made for TV movie if it had to be released by the day after tomorrow. I think that this deal may be part of a Clinton scheme to get rid of Kerry, not because he might win but because he is doing such harm to his party that it will take so much time to recover that Hillery's grandchildren wouldn't make an X next to a Dem candidate.

Has anyone seen The Stolen Honor web a new video being produced about Kerry? [Link: www.stolenhonor.com...]

RWC

Ok, the temporary fatwa has ceased. So the Bush gals, eh? But they weren't drinking. That's good.

Dang, I has hoping it was Danny Boy in a drunken stupor.

Right Wing Conspirator,

That's pretty cool. Are they cute in person?

#142 Kustie the Klown . . .

My problem is that what is happening now is so insane and unfathomable that I don't know how to process it through my normal mental filter.

I agree. It's unfathomable. Has politics always been this way but it wasn't so apparent or is this something new?

I ask this because the Carter/Reagan battle seems so much like the Bush/Kerry battle, but I was a Democrat then and supported Carter. Shame on me. However, now it is so CLEAR which candidate is superior, thanks to Bush's reaction to September 11 and to the blogosphere.

#76 Les Lein

Found one of your requests(was on Hannity and Colmes, 3 Feb 2004)

I've never made any judgments about any choice somebody made about avoiding the draft, about going to Canada, going to jail, being a conscientious objector, going into the National Guard.

The sad thing is, watching the NBC Nightly News, is that even though they did mention possibility that memos could be forgeries, they still did a report about GWB's ANG service, implying it was lackluster. The MSM get their news from the DNC talking points.

BTW, I could be wrong about this applying to the ANG/USAF, but the reservists I knew in Navy basic training were on active duty for basic training and their followup training. IIRC, GWB spent over a year and a half in flight training, and I would think that would qualify as active duty time.

Wonder what new documents they'll be typing up this time. Maybe they'll find memos typed by Bush to himself where he confesses to going AWOL and spending his time being a drug lord in Miami.

RWC

s'OK. Hysteria understood! So how many obvious security personnel were lurking? : )

Dan Rather was quoted in the New Zealand Herald as saying that there was no use debating the authenticity of his documents which he claims are proof that George W. Bush committed any number of unethical acts while in the National Guard.
"Until someone shows me definitive proof that they are not [authentic], I don't see any reason to carry on a conversation with the professional rumour mill."

Does Dan's "professional rumor mill" include ABC News, NBC News, and the Washington Post?

Dan, no one needs to show you "definitive proof that they are not" authentic. The burden of proof is on you. You introduce photocopies of suspicious documents that can easily be replicated on Microsoft Word. You don't provide the originals, which you say you don't have, and you don't tell where you got them.

You also have not produced a single expert who is willing to go on the record and say these documents are real. All the experts you have cited have either backed away or said their comments were misrepresented.

So we have to go on your word? What a word that has been.

149 LSD- "Great Big Sea"?
You a newfie?
RWC- I am very very very very jealous.
Did you get their phone numbers? Offer to drive them home? (Do any of the things I'd like to but wouldn't dare try?)

#158 gymnast

I think that this deal may be part of a Clinton scheme to get rid of Kerry, not because he might win but because he is doing such harm to his party that it will take so much time to recover that Hillery's grandchildren wouldn't make an X next to a Dem candidate.

Things are looking better every day for your candidate, IMO.

I wonder if Dan Rather knows who Jason Blair was.

#141 Hugh59

I like this part and will deconstruct it for you if you have no objection?

“The Two Americas should be called Strong America that works and Elite America that doesn't. It is Strong America, which contributes more than it is paid, that supports Elite America's lifestyle. To unite the country, Elite America must give up its subsidies and Strong America must be paid what it deserves.”

“Strong America that works”:
That would be Republicans, as we work for what we have. No government handouts please!

“Elite America that doesn't”:
That would be the Democrats, the following clarifies it.

“It is Strong America, which contributes more than it is paid, that supports Elite America's lifestyle”:
How true, Republicans work, pay taxes, debate issues (without screaming inane slogans instead of debating ), and can think for ourselves. While the Democrats whine about not enough money being spent on their subsidized socialist projects.

“To unite the country, Elite America must give up its subsidies and Strong America must be paid what it deserves.” :
I’ll earn my own money, but a little respect would be nice. Other then that it speaks for itself.

When I joined the National Guard in '47, my dad, a locomotive engineer, was pissed at me because Guardsman had been used in the past to protect properties from striker violence. I guess some democrats hold a long grudge.

The democrat hanging on this issue reminds me that when your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

#169, JD. The only reason that my Man, the Fantastic and Fabulous (for the East St Louis admirers of Al) Reverand Al Sharpton has not weighed in with a statement on the forged memos is because he is deep into the process of attempting to change political parties and wants to keep it a secret and the onlly reason I'm telling you this is because as a fellow lizard, I know I can trust you to keep this quiet. Al sees absolutely no future in being affiliated with the Democrat Party after about next Wednesday or Thursday at the latest.

Ahhh...finally, Kerry's campaign position becomes clear. Just because you're in the Air National Guard flying air defence fighters, you're not actually in the "Air Force". Guess all those reservists and NG types over in Iraq in desert tans, kevlar helmets and M16s aren't really in the "army". Somebody ought to tell Zarqawi and his buds.

What is it with Dems and semantics? I guess after Monicagate, they must think they can parse their way out of anything.

I can't wait fo the debate:

Kerry: "Bush lied - it all depends on what the definition of 'air force' is."
Bush: "Uh, John...could we get back to the war..."
Kerry: "BUSH NEVER WENT TO VIETNAM!!!"
Bush: "Uh, yeah...other war, John..."

@156 Promethea

Yep it was just too good to pass up and not share. :)

This is TOOO funny Dan Rather's Resume

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

I'm gonna stick my neck out and put links to a FREE mp3 of mine about my take on the MsM. I hope you like it. If you do, pass it on. If you don't. pass a stone!

download
http://www.songramp.com/homepage.ez?Who=jameshooke r&playsong=Yes&sampleid=19332&Form.ses s_id=3013408&Form.sess_key=1094960910
lyrics

This is the first time I've tried this...if links don't work, drop me an email and I'll think of some inane, grovelling excuse.

#160 Ms Andi

Cool...did I have a fatwa against me ?!?

#161 Geepers

Regarding Jenna - she is absolutely so much better looking in person. None of the pictures that I have everseen of her do her justice. For Barbara - I think she is cute anyway and she was cute in person, so not much change there. It's just obvious that Jenna is the more outgoing one so you would notice her more.

#166 Lyana

I didn't notice anyone immediately around us. (yes, I was looking :-) There were two guys at a stand-up table that I thought could be, but the bartender (who we knew) was serving them drinks and they were drinking them, so I am pretty sure they were'nt. And the place was pretty quiet so if there was anything unusual going on I am sure I would have seen it.

ps - and that is not to say that they didn't have security...when we left there were 4 cars - (two Suburbans, two Lincolns (?) sitting outside with "passengers" in them :-)

#168 Jim in Virginia

LOL ! Sadly, nothing :-( Like I said, I forgot my camera so if I am going to make an as* out of myself I want to get something out of it :-)

#173 gymnast
Your secret is safe with me, but what then? Independent?

#173 gymnast

LOL, I can almost visualize the smug look on blown off Kerry's mug.

Exactly what is (are) the democrats doing? I mean what are they saying? I really don't get what they are shooting for (at) here? President Bush was in the Texas Air National Guard. So...Please tell me what they are doing? I mean what are they smearing? Sorry this is all so stupid it's hard to get where this thing is going.

#179, JD. Well, Al's trying to see if they got enough room for him in the "big Tent" but if the Rs won't take him he might try to work out a deal with Nader to start a new party to replace the Dems. Sort of a Marxist-Baptist-Meccan kind of deal to bring in the disenfranchised Democrat base. The Baptist part is pure genius, doncha think?

Folks, something happened...
there's been a drastic change of projected electoral college votes shown at Electoral Vote Predictor.

From Kerry 252 Bush 254 on September 10, to Kerry 273 Bush 233 today (9/12). Kerry's 273 would be enough to win.

DON'T GET COCKY
There is still a big fight ahead.

gymnast

Sort of a Marxist-Baptist-Meccan kind of deal to bring in the disenfranchised Democrat base. The Baptist part is pure genius, doncha think?

Oh, I do. I do. It's all just so inspiring. A tribute to multiculturalism if ever there was one.

Being a Canuck unfamiliar with the intimacies of US military organizations, I had to check this out for myself; but the ANG website confirms what I thought, defining the Air National Guard as "a separate reserve component of the United States Air Force". According to their history, they have been such since 1947.

The phrase "component of" seems pretty clear to me. "Component" means "piece belonging to". Also, as an ironic clincher for anyone who knows how to use internet explorer, the ANG website address is:

"www.ang.af.mil"

www.af.mil is, of course, is the USAF URL. That's pretty clear, too.

Finally, I'm not all that familiar with USAF insignia, but I suspect that if you could blow up that photo of 1Lt Bush of the TANG in his flight suit, you'd find that his nametag has USAF embroidered on it. Generally a military organization doesn't allow you to sew its name onto your clothes unless you belong to it.

The question, of course, is why a Naval Reserve officer who's spent 30 years trumpeting his heroic service "In the Navy" is now attacking an ANG officer for telling people he was in the Air Force. I'm looking forward to hearing Kerry explain how he was really in the Navy, but Bush wasn't really in the Air Force. That should be about as much fun as the "$87B" fiasco.

I've given up seeking rational explanations for Dem behaviour. Seriously - do they just like pain? Applying Occam's Razor (boy, THAT's been in vogue lately), the simplest explanation for the last 3-4 days is that Rove has his hand up MacAuliffe's poop-chute and is using him like a ventriloquist's dummy.

#64 reaganite:

Fuck the DNC.

No thanks.

But luckily I don't have to - that's Dan Ra^ther's job this week. :-Þ

They are trying to sucker GW in and make him do a Dean. They are full of hatred and can't stand that the hatred does not come back at them. If it did they would play it over and over and over. The best thing to do is to pray for GW that he remains strong. Pray for laura that she keeps him immune to it. Anne Richards tried and tried and built up so much hatred for herself that Bush won Texas. GW did, however, lose it a couple of time during hid dad's campaign. This has to be their goal. Pray for Bush, and write him some e-mails. If any of you know him or someone close tell him that we pray for him.

"The Electoral Vote Predictor" has been smoking crack. Does Dan Rather run than site?

Apparently the thinnest Bush margin puts a state in the undecided (and hence not tabulated) column, while the thinnest Kerry margin (or even a slim Kerry deficit in some of the most recent polls) causes something to be tabulated for Kerry. Thus places like Wisconsin and Colorado have already been called for Kerry according to these guys.

But I agree, this is no time for overconfidence, and considering the MASSIVE onslought being prepared by the DNC and their bitches in the MSM, Bush's lead is nowhere near large enough.

It looks like Democ^rats are having so much fun beating the dead horse they are unable to stop.

George Bush received his wings from the same pilot training program I did -- Moody AFB -- about 6 months before I did. I didn't know him. We were all busy as hell and typically didn't know student pilots in other classes, but we had about 6 months overlap. The Air Guard guys were indistinguishable from the rest of us, in uniform, performance, etc. Many of the Guard guys went to Vietnam. For all practical purposes, Bush was "in the Air Force," and the airplane would have augered in just as hard if he had screwed up.

TW

I know this poll is unbiased.

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

click on map for state by state

#76 LesLein

Request #2:

Don't know if this is what you were looking for - it wasn't done in the 70's, but it is a memorandum analyzing and explaining all the requirements for ANG service. It loaded quickly for me - not sure how it will do for you.

Hope that helps!

The Dems have to forge crap on Bush. He signed the form to release ALL his military records, unlike Kerry.
OOOppps, forgot. Kerry did sign the release...before he used white-out.

Can anyone explain to me how a white millionare self-professed Catholic whom the Catholic church has denounced, from a state that has one of the lowest minority amounts in the country, "relate" to an evangelical African-American Baptist???

Not to defend J eefin K, but having until recently lived for 15 years in a community that is only 23% white, it is my observation that who does and who does not "relate" to people of different ethnic or socio-economic groups has little to do with their background. It is very much a function of personality.

I also worked for a few years in the ER at Children's Hospital in Oakland, which serves a large, poor, minority, population. Every June we would get a new batch of freshly minted doctors, and background was not a good indicator of who would be a clumsy insensitive oaf. Stupidity is an equal opportinity affliction.

Great essay, even if 6 months old:
Bush and Uncommon Valor
by Colonel John H. Wambough, Jr., USAF (Retired)
28 February 2004

There is a much bigger story to be told then anything related to Lt. Bush’s honorable service to our country. It is the story of a fringe element of the Democrat Party (as represented by Senator Kerry from Massachusetts and Mr. Terry McAuliffe of the DNC) that will stoop to any depth to obtain political power to include: attacking the motives of our service members (ANG and Reserve); it is a fringe element that is willing to undermine the confidence of our fighting forces in their Commander in Chief in the midst of our global war on terrorism; it is a fringe element that places political power higher on their priority list than U.S. National Security; otherwise, they wouldn’t be denigrating and diminishing ANG and Reserve Service in an effort to undermine the credibility of the Commander in Chief of our Armed Forces.

Political leadership should be looking ahead not behind. But since we are looking 30 years behind I will make several comments: (1) I served with true heroes although none of the guys I served with ever felt of themselves as heroes – they just put their butts on the line every day whether flying in operational, combat or training units; (2) Lt. Bush put his butt on the line every time he scrambled on an Air Defense mission. He is a true hero that our soldiers and citizens should be rightfully proud of and (3) the service of our Guard and Reserve soldiers should never be denigrated or diminished for political purposes or to win an election -- as is being done by Senator Kerry and Mr. Terry McAuliffe.

192 song_and_dance_man 9/12/2004 08:28PM PST

Thank you for stating the obvious. I was asking WHY? I should have asked Why Not? Kerry's Vietnam thing is all he has. I see. Makes sense to me. Go with what you got especially if its all you got. So you think they will just hammer this thing. Yeah they will have to do that. The election will be won or lost on the war. Dan Rather will stay on his story. They all will. Thanks again now I know the way the thing is and I can handle this.

#195 Security Mom

"Stupidity is an equal opportinity affliction."

Sad but true and there is no cure. OTOH, ignorance can be cured by educating oneself.

“’ But according to Air Force officials, Air National Guardsmen are not counted as members of the active-duty Air Force.”

This statement is true as far as it goes. George Bush would be considered Active-duty USAF as an Air National Guardmans. He still get active-duty credit for serving in the USAF for the time in training. I think I read somewere that was two years or so. So he has two years or so of active-duty in the USAF as Air National Guard.
Acording to John Kerry's Military records, he joined the USNR. not the USN. When he went active, the Navy viewed him as active-duty USNR. I don't know for sure but I would bet the the USN does not count USNR members that are on active-duty as part of the "active-duty USN"

I have been reading Blog's for the last couple of years this is the first post I have ever made

It seems to me that there should be an all out push to get Kerry to release his records. He was supposed to discharge about 1974 (I think) but he didn't discharge until 1978. Why? There may be nothing to it, but I strongly suspect that there were investigations into his meeting with the enemy while still a commissioned officer. It probably took four years for his political connections in high places (Kennedy) to sanitize his record enough for an honorable discharge. If there is nothing there, fine, let the records show it. But if Kerry could possibly be my president, I want to see those records!!

Addendum: I believe I remember a comment by an enlisted man that served with Kerry made back in May when the swift boat veterans stuff started. The comment said, roughly paraphrased, that Kerry was a prima donna, here (in Vietnam) to boost his political career, and had Kennedy backing. Does anyone else remember this? I know the military responded to political pressure, especially in Vietnam era. This could explain the ease with which he got some of the medals, especially the silver star, which apparently was not awarded by standard procedure, and not signed by the right people. This question is relevant because the character of the man is the same as it was 30 years ago.

Great insightful posts from all.
I agree with Kustie the Klown, a Bush win could easily be violence in the street. That lie on the blacks being denied the vote (raodblocks,moved polling places, street construction etal) was repeated to me by a number of people both black and white, so it is out there and people are angry about it.
Then the stoking of the fires and no adult on the left saying "Enough!".Perhaps what willl trigger the whole mess will be another attack and the LLL goons will spout off with all this rhetoric and the police and DHS etc will be forced to detain some LLLs as 'material witnesses"at the least, and as co-conspiritors at worse.
Jeffn Kerry is the worst candidate. Truly an empty suit.
Nothing there, there. So the fires will be stoked and tended to blazing because scortched earth is all thatis left for the LLLs---ruin what is left

Funny, the last time I delivered a pizza over at the MN Air National Guard base all the airplanes (c-130's) and all the field uniforms had the words "U.S. AIR FORCE" on them.

# 60 Neswcaper

At least 37 people were killed in Baghdad alone. Many of them died when a U.S. helicopter fired on a disabled U.S. Bradley fighting vehicle as Iraqis swarmed around it, cheering, throwing stones and waving the black and yellow sunburst banner of Iraq's most-feared terror organization.

OuuuH!

That'll teach'em.

/evil grin

# 85 Rayra

The uninformed convince themselves they've got a silver bullet, then charge the barricades with it. And the slightly-less-uninformed jackasses leading the DNC think it might have legs, for sure their base supports it, and they run with it too.

Mike Hoare, in his book about mercenary operations in the Congo, wrote that the local witch doctors would teach the would-be warriors to "throw their eyes", which meant that they would do a bug-eyed stare at the mercenary troopers.

Needless to say, this technique was ineffective.

Kustie #142, I couldn't agree with you more. I've been getting more and more puzzled and agitated lately. And now this forgery thing, along with the stated plans of the DNC re Bush's TANG record, have left me even more puzzled and scared--not scared that this line of attack will score points with the electorate (I wonder why the Dems don't realize that attacking the National Guard as an inferior form of service has the potential to alienate far more people than it wins over)--scared because of what these actions say about the utter derangement of the Democratic Party at the highest levels.

This isn't some fringe element doing this, it's the leadership. Or maybe the fringe element has BECOME the leadership. I once thought that, if Bush were elected, especially by a large margin, some of the Dems would shut up and plan some sort of return to the middle for the next election. And perhaps that will happen. But now I also see an alternative, and darker, possible future such as you describe, where angry Dems become ever more radicalized and willing to use violence (and other dirty tricks, like forgeries!) to further an increasingly radicalized cause. And the media will assist them, feeling ever more radicalized, too.

Scary.

To compare Bush's problem with Kerry's would have Kerry shooting down his wing man and strafing his own barracks while Bush was doing 50 pushups for missing roll call.

CBS will never admit they used fake documents until the election is over.. this will give the DNC all the cover they need to trash bush's TANG service. We just trusted CBS.. or CBS made the mistake, talk about 527 cordination.. kerraway will stand tall and let karl rove get the blame in big media. we have to end the new campaign rules and restore the peoples right to run all the adds they want..

#15 and #20

Here is a thumbnail sketch of the relationship between the Air National Guard (ANG) and the United States Air Force (USAF).

The ANG and the Air Force Reserve (AFRES) are the two parts that make up the reserve component of the USAF. Similarly, the Army National Guard and the Army Reserve are portions of the reserve component of the US Army.

During routine local training, and when called up by the governor of their state for state contingencies, ‘Guard’ members are under the control of the governor of their state. However, when a Guard member is ‘activated’ under Title 10 of the U.S. Code, he or she becomes a federal asset and basically becomes a temporary, full-time member of the active duty military. Title 10 activation can be for a few days, or a few years.

Historically (since the 1950’s), the ANG played a large role in the air defense of the continental United States. This was prominent throughout the cold war when ANG crews sat alert at domestic bases, prepared to intercept Soviet bombers. The ANG could do this with mostly part-timers while a good portion of the active duty Air Force deployed to overseas locations. In an evolved form, this arrangement endures today with ANG fighters on alert.

When these fighters launch on intercept missions, they do so in Title 10 status, under the authority of the president because air defense is a federal mission. Go here to learn more about ANG and air defense history:

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]

Through this complexity, what is called the “Total Air Force” (Active, Guard and Reserve) gains flexibility and optimizes capability while decreasing the overall cost. The ANG is relatively inexpensive for the amount of capability it maintains.

Answer to the question posed by William (#20) above: Does uniform insignia for an Air Guard member read “U.S. Air Force”? It depends on the type of uniform and the era. Today, an Air Guardsman wearing desert camouflage uniform has his/her last name above one shirt pocket, and above the other reads “U.S. Air Force.” Flight suit nametags have gone through a few iterations.

124 quark2

Ever since it became obvious that the Killian letters were forgeries, the question was asked: who did it? Was it the usual suspect: someone in the Kerry dirty tricks department? Others have been named: Dan Rather himself, Carl Rove, Bill Burkett (a disgruntled former National Guard officer), CBS News producer Mary Mapes?

I think the Jews did it...

Here is an update to this DNC smear campaign -- the Air Force backs Bush, leaving Dems flapping in the breeze, looking silly:

United Press International
September 13, 2004

Internet claim on Bush award disputed

By Gene J. Koprowski

CHICAGO -- The Air Force has knocked down allegations by a Web site that said President Bush, when serving as an officer in the Texas Air National Guard, wore a ribbon he was not authorized to wear -- a military offense that could have led to a bad-conduct discharge from the service if true.

The original story was offered to United Press International during late August by operatives from Democrats.com, an Internet activist group whose founder had earlier this year served as a source for The Boston Globe and other media outlets on stories about Bush's service in the guard in the 1960s and 1970s.

A summary of the story was also posted on the DemocraticUnderground.com Web site by Walt Starr of Democrats.com last month, along with a photo from the George H.W. Bush Presidential Library of Lt. George W. Bush wearing the Air Force Outstanding Unit Award.

An e-mail message to UPI on Aug. 27 from Bob Fertik, founder of Democrats.com, stated, "Walt Starr called the Air Force and discovered that the only AFOUA given to Bush's unit was in 1975 -- five years after the photo. Case closed!"

The Air Force and the White House last week in interviews with UPI said the allegations were misleading. White House spokesman Trent Duffy referred UPI to the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Colorado where Technical Sgt. Rob Mims is the spokesman.

Mims said the claims were "not true. I verified that (Thursday). Lieutenant Bush received Air Force Outstanding Unit Award while he was in basic training with the 3724th Basic Military Training Squadron at Lackland Air Force Base, Texas."

...

Mims said he confirmed his information about the medal with the Air Force's history office. "It's all there in black and white, we've spelled it out," said Mims.

The White House, through Duffy, said: "Lieutenant Bush at the time was completely authorized to wear those ribbons he has in those pictures. He could only wear those ribbons if he has the wings. He earned his wings in 1969."

When contacted by UPI Monday about the Air Force's statements, Fertik refused to comment.

[Link: www.upi.com...]

Heh, when faced with the facts, democrats.com founder Fertik "refused to comment"...