Praise be Allah, it works!

What? No 60 Minutes invite?

Cool, Now we can listen.

I hope they take callers, I hope they take callers.

[evil grin]

Don't forget to wear you fancy pants suit. :)

#4 Mr. Pulpo

Can't he just SAY that he's in Armani? He is calling in right?

I can hear. It's a miracle!

I'll just keep posting this, dammit. [/Cartman] - the new Steyn is great

Can you hear me now?

Woo hoo!

We await the signal to begin the invasion, masssster.

No, seriously, good luck Charles. You make us proud to consider ourselves your loyal Lizaroid legions. Long live LGF! Long live anti-idiotarianism! Long live the intif...wait a minute. Alright, who mixed in the Lefty rally cries into my notes?

#8 Beagle

I'd like to propose a motion that links to reg sites should be accompanied by login info.

Yes, I know about BugMeNot, but I'm lazy, dammit!

Charles

Are you going to need bodygaurds.

I can submit my resume.

Charles, all this fame! So quickly! Next thing you know you'll be dating J-Lo!!

oh joy I'm already tuned in to that!

Sweet
KRLA has a much better internet feed than kabc!

#13 scott in east bay

Ew. Pulllleeeze! I would hope to think that the Lizard Master would have a bit more self-respect ;)

LGF is mentioned in today's New York Sun:

[Link: www.indcjournal.com...]
 

New Killian memo found!!!

[Link: home.socal.rr.com...]

Want to boycott CBS? (Like anyone watches them now, anyway?!) Here's a link to some of CBS's current sponsors.

The Northern Alliance guys have a weekly Saturday program on Salem affiliate WWTC 1280 AM in the Twin Cities. They're pretty good for guys not in radio by profession.

I'll tune in for the show (usually have it on from Laura Ingram anyway).

If anyone has problems with KRLA, try [Link: www.am1280thepatriot.com...]

Could someone with photoshop please do a 3 way comparison between the memo, a word equivalant, and this: [Link: users.ev1.net...]

This guy wrote a java program that will emulate the composer's proportional spacing using the character chart I have been posting all over. He posted the source for the program for people to verify. This is HUGE.

"Mutual pleasures". I was rolling when Powell said that.

Rotating title?

#11 Thom
I'm sure Mr. Steyn would want me to give you the skinny (Part I):

We still don’t get it
Mark Steyn says that three years after 9/11 the West remains in denial over Islamic terrorism

‘He is sedated,’ said Bill Clinton’s heart surgeon on Tuesday. ‘But he is arousable.’ I’ve never doubted it.

That seems as appropriate a thought as any with which to consider the state of the new war three years on. Like former President Clinton, much of the West is sedated. But is it arousable? On the eve of this week’s anniversary, hundreds of children were murdered in their schoolhouse by terrorists. Terrible. But even more terrible was the reaction of what passes for the civilised world, the reluctance to confront the truth of what had occurred. The perpetrators were ‘separatists’, according to the Christian Science Monitor — what, you mean like my fellow Quebeckers? They were ‘commandoes’, according to Agence France-Presse — you mean like the SAS?

‘We have been confronted with a deep human tragedy,’ said the Dutch foreign minister Ben Bot, speaking for the European Union. ‘I am appalled that a school and its pupils are being used for political ends,’ said Unesco’s director-general Koichiro Matsuura. A ‘tragedy’? ‘Political ends’?

Five days after the slaughter, the New York Times finally got around to using the I-word, and then only in paragraph 24: ‘While the extent of international support may be debated, the attacks bear some trappings of Islamic militancy. Officials here in Beslan said they had found notebooks with Arabic writing, and witnesses reported hearing Arabic exhortations, though the attackers mostly spoke Russian.’

Any Arabic exhortation in particular? Only the slogan of the age, ‘Allahu Akbar’. Nothing to worry about, folks. They may kill kids, but they’re just ‘separatists’, ‘radicals’, ‘activists’. No connection with any events you may have heard about in Madrid, Istanbul, Bali, Tel Aviv or New York. The approved tone in polite society is that of my Telegraph colleague Adam Nicolson: keep it tasteful, keep it elegant, lots of exquisitely honed overwritten allusions — each dead child was ‘a Pietà, the archetype of pity. Each is a Cordelia carried on at the end of Act V...’. Lovely stuff, may even be an award in it. But not a word about the killers or a hint of their identity. Only a limpid, passive sadness. Nicolson is sedated but, unlike Clinton, not arousable.

Three years after September 11, the Islamist death cult is the love whose name no one dare speak. And, if you can’t even bring yourself to identify your enemy, are you likely to defeat him? Can you even know him? He seems to know us pretty well. He understands the pressures he can bring to bear on Spain, and the Philippines, and France, too. He’s come to appreciate the self-imposed constraints under which his enemy fights — the legalisms, the political correctness, the deference to ineffectual multilateralism. He’s revolted by the infidels’ decadence but he has to admit it’s enormously helpful: the useful idiots of the pro-gay, pro-feminist Left are far more idiotic and far more useful to him than they ever were to Stalin. He’s figured out that while pluralistic open democracy might be a debased system of government next to Sharia, it has its moments: he had no idea that quite so many Westerners so loathed their own governments and, if not their own, then certainly America’s. And he never thought that, even in America, while one party is at war, the other party is at war with the very idea that there is a war. And even the party committed to war presides over a lethargic unreformed bureaucracy, large chunks of which are determined to obstruct it.

Morning all:

I freaking knew that Mark Steyn read LGF!

It took the savvy chappies at the Powerline Web site and Charles Johnson of ''Little Green Footballs'' about 20 minutes to spot the eerily 2004 look of the 1972 memo, and various Internet wallahs spent the rest of the day tracking down the country's leading typewriter identification experts.

Linkage

I'm not big on advertiser boycotts. They usually aren't real effective, but and if they were, businesses and their employees are being punished when they really have no clue about the issues.

I think a boycott of CBS is better. Let their rating fall and the advertisers will leave anyway.

There's a suction-cup guy on their window?

Steyn in Spectator (Part II):

So, despite the loss of the Afghan training camps and Saddam and the Taleban and three quarters of al-Qa’eda’s leadership, it hasn’t been a bad three years: the enemy has learnt the limits of the West’s resolve, and all he has to do is put a bit of thought into exploiting it in the years ahead. A nuclear Iran will certainly help.

By contrast, what have we learned? According to the Associated Press, last Sunday, at the Bercy stadium in Paris, Madonna dedicated her performance of ‘Imagine’ to what the AP reporter was still calling ‘the Russian hostage crisis’, even though by then the ‘crisis’ was over, as were the lives of the hostages. Madonna ‘urged fans to think about what happened in Russia and Lennon’s lyrics’. Okay:

‘Imagine there’s no heaven It’s easy if you try ...’

Not what I would want to hear if my kid had just been shot dead by a terrorist. More importantly, if Madonna is advocating global secularism as the answer to terrorism, she’s backing a loser. For the fellows pulling the martyrdom routines, heaven is a brothel. In Madonna terms, it’s ‘Like A Virgin’ times 72. It’s the jackpot, it’s winning the lottery. Telling the guy it’s a fraud and your crappy life in Egypt or Saudi Arabia is all there is doesn’t seem likely to work. Doesn’t it make more sense to try to move him into buying the idea of heaven as a lot of fluffy clouds where we sit around twanging harps all day rather than attempting to shunt him all the way over into instant radical post-Christian atheism?

This isn’t a theoretical proposition. Last year a senior Dutch cabinet minister talked me through some very interesting findings apropos his own country’s Islamic population. The grandchildren of Muslims who arrived in Holland in the Seventies are often more militantly Islamist and unassimilated than their grandparents. Raised in a society as close as one can find to the sappy nihilism of Lennon’s lyric, they decided it had no appeal for them. I mocked the singing of ‘Imagine’ on some 9/11 all-star memorial gala in the fall of 2001, yet here it is again, irrelevant, dated, but indestructible as ever. Singing ‘Imagine’ is a sure sign of a failure to imagine.

That’s really the heart of it: the failure of what Osama bin Laden saw as a soft pampered West to imagine that it can ever all come to an end. Three years ago, for the cover of our September 11 issue, Heath drew us a defiant Statue of Liberty, her torch held high above the headline ‘The West Must Fight Back.’ Nice idea, but it didn’t quite work out like that. 9/11 was not ‘the day that changed the world’ but instead the day that revealed how much the world had already changed. Since the fall of the Berlin Wall, ‘the West’, for example, had lacked sufficient sense of common purpose to ‘fight back’.

From the NYSun article, apparently, NY SUN is trying to get in touch with Charles.

Is it because he gets eleventeen thousand emails a day?

Did I miss it? Who is the woman who is on now?

Charles:

Being an old guy now and subject to "senior moments" I might be having one now. But, IIRC, Times New Roman wasn't licensed from London Times until the 1980's. Moreover, it was originally licensed for typesetting (Harris?) and later by Microsoft and Apple for TrueType. I know for sure there are copyright issues with TrueType; it is not open source. I had always understood that this copyright issue was precisely the Times New Roman licensing. Do these memories jibe with your own? If so, doesn't that eliminate even the early phototypesetters in 1972? Let alone any impact printing device.

Cam,

I'm pretty sure Steyn has posted here. I know he reads LGF.

Check out the "Click to Advertise" link.

#12 AG in Houston

Charles

Are you going to need bodygaurds.

I can submit my resume.

And LGFLegal to back it up nicely, I'd say ;)

Lysander

This is a fuck.

#29 WriterMom

Did I miss it? Who is the woman who is on now?

Powerline said 11 Central, in, oh, about 15 min or so (I had to doublecheck to see what timezone they were in; somehow I was thinking Pacific.)

Lysander

I made The Corner again... yippie ki yi yay, muthas...

Steyn (Part III) -- I left a bunch out before Part III, and after. There will be no Part IV. It's worth registering for. The Spectator (UK) features intellectually diverse, intelligent opinion pieces.

In her lame apologia for last week’s kiddie-killers, the Guardian’s Isabel Hilton rhapsodised about ‘asymmetrical warfare’ — how else could the poor wee insurgents/ activists/whatever fight back against overwhelmingly superior force? But these days who’s really ‘superior’? An old-fashioned European army — Belgium’s, say — is incapable of projecting itself to Saudi Arabia; but a terrorist group in Saudi Arabia, through routine innovations like email, cell phones and automated bank machines, can easily project itself to Belgium. What did 9/11 cost its perpetrators? Flight lessons would be below $5,000 depending on how impatient the hijackers were (as Zac Moussaoui told his instructors, he didn’t need to learn how to land); boxcutters cost a couple of bucks; add in a few rental cars and motels, and that’s it. For around $150,000, 19 not especially talented terrorists killed more than 3,000 people and caused immediate economic damage of $27 billion, with the final tab yet to be calculated.

That’s what I call asymmetrical. Now imagine nuclear technology, which long ago slipped the bunkers of the great powers. If you’re a quiet-lifer like the Spaniards, who do you talk to to head off catastrophe? There isn’t an ‘al-Qa’eda’ in the sense of an organisation one can enter into formal peace talks with, as Mo Mowlam advises. There are local terror groups sharing the same aims and methods from Algeria to Indonesia and, like crime families, they all know who to go to if they happen to find themselves in Chechnya, or Kosovo, or Sudan, or Colombia. And there are freelance acts of mayhem committed by chaps who wake up one morning and hear the call of the jihad — the British shoebomber and the Washington sniper both fall into this category. Not all Muslims are al-Qa’eda supporters, but they don’t have to be. If just 1 per cent is generally sympathetic, that’s enough for a vast global support network.

You wouldn't think it possible, but there it is. The Cincinnati Post has written an editorial which uses the CBS documents to cast doubt on Bush's past--and there is not one word that suggests that the documents are anything other than genuine. That's right, not one word. It's breathtaking, stunning.

Here's the link:

[Link: www.cincypost.com...]

And the conclusion? Oh, Bush is just as bad as Kerry. Let's move on.

What we're witnessing here is something akin to a core meltdown of old-style liberal media.

Meanwhile, the War Hero is still hiding from the Dan Rathers et al: Hugh Hewitt reports:

"'They have taken their eye off the real ball,' Mr. Kerry said, his voice almost shaking in anger. 'They took it off in Afghanistan and shifted it to Iraq. They took it off in North Korea and shifted it to Iraq. They took it off in Russia, and the nuclear materials there, and shifted it to Iraq.'"

John Kerry gave a 15-minute interview to the New York Times over the phone. No word on whether it was from an undisclosed location with word processing equipment. Note the "his voice almost shaking in anger" aside, underscoring that once again John Kerry has displayed all the calm leadership of a crisis manager of superb qualifications. It is now 44 days since Kerry answered questions on camera from a major journalist --heh, Dan Rather certainly no longer counts, in fact, no one from CBS does-- and he's trying to substitute softball encounters with friendlies at the Times and Time Magazine for the real deal.

What is the decorated War Hero afraid of? Bloggers in PJs?

[Link: hughhewitt.com...]

#35 V the K

Where at?

Check it out. USA Today says they got the documents independently of CBS and apparently they were given two additional documents that were either not shown to CBS or not shown by CBS. It's interesting because in one of the new documents the header has a superscripted 111th but the otherwise identical headers DOES NOT.

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

Look at the memo for 24 June 1973 and compare the headers with the memos dated 01 August 1972 and 04 May 1972. The Aug and May 72 headers are not superscripted. The June 73 one is superscripted. Interesting, no?

I emailed Jonah Goldberg my list of "historical artifacts" to sell to CBS News... Jonah posted them at 11:27 am.

Did I miss it?

On the Memogate topic, has anyone mentioned this yet, about how the officer who supposedly ordered Killian to "sugar coat" Bush's record had retired from the TANG 17 months before the date of that memo? I apologise if it's already been mentioned, I've been out of the the LGF loop for the past few days.

Quick correction:

CBS was either not given the extra documents or they were given them and they chose not to show them. Considering the inconsistencies between the June 73 header and the headers of the other memos, I believe they chose to not show them at all.

Imagine if we were a household of people being shot at by lunatics. One or two roommates stand up from behind the couches and desks where we crouched and start singing "Imagine."

Guys- USA today got these documents on their own, which means that they should be dealing with higher quality copies than we have. Lets put some pressure on USA TODAY to release high resolution scans. They don't have anything to lose if these turn out to be fakes.

#41 V the K

Cool!

But why the bland "a reader cc'd me"?

#45 rosh

At least they'd be shut up quickly.

What time is Charles supposed to be on? Or did I miss it?

I think it's on now!

I think that we're about to hear it -- Dan Rather was just mentioned.

#49 Cam

It hasn't happened yet.

superscript 'th' found in other Bush documents released by WH

hmmm

I'll be on in just a few minutes.

why the bland "a reader cc'd me"?

Don't know. Jonah Goldberg probably gets tons of email. I'm just gratified to be deemed "Corner-Worthy." Plus which, this means the list will be more broadly disseminated, making people smile, and making a mockery of Complete Bull Sh*t News.

Jim Geraghty has a fine fisking of Dan Rather's defense over at NRO's Kerry Spot.

Hmm... they just played an audio clip from Rather but then switched to news announcements.

They just said Dennis Prager after advertisemtns.

#43 Titus
Yes, but it's worth repeating.

William Safire has an op-ed in today's NY Times: Those Discredited Memos.

Alert bloggers who knew the difference between the product of old typewriters and new word processors immediately suspected a hoax: the "documents" presented by CBS News suggesting preferential treatment in Lt. George W. Bush's National Guard service have all the earmarks of forgeries.
{snip}

After leading with that response, Post media reporter Howard Kurtz noted that the handwriting expert Matley said that CBS had asked him not to give interviews, and that an unidentified CBS staff member who had examined the documents saw potential problems with them: "There's a lot of sentiment that we should do an internal investigation."

Newsweek (which likes the word "discredited") has apparently begun an external investigation: it names "a disgruntled former Guard officer" as a principal source for CBS, noting "he suffered two nervous breakdowns" and "unsuccessfully sued for medical expenses."

It may be that CBS is the victim of a whopping journalistic hoax, besmearing a president to bring him down. What should a responsible news organization do?

To shut up sources and impugn the motives of serious critics - from opinionated bloggers to straight journalists - demeans the Murrow tradition. Nor is any angry demand that others prove them wrong acceptable, especially when no original documents are available to prove anything.

#29 WriterMom

That was Laura Ingrham (sp?). She had Gertz from the Washington Times on for a while. He did a three part series from his book in the WaTi recently - IMO, a must read.

#54 Charles:

I'll be on in just a few minutes.

Then what the hell are you doing talking to us?

;-)

making a mockery of Complete Bull Sh*t News.

Hm, sounds a bit grandiose now that I read it back.

OT

Looks like the IAF got 3 more...including 1 big fish

IAF Strikes Again

KABC may have a bad internet feed, but their hosts are great. Hannity and Larry Elder make my afternoons bearable.

KRLA i sometimes tune to on the way to work, but I can't stand Laura Ingraham's voice. She's intelligent and well-spoken and all, but her voice makes me want to rip my ears off.

Anyway, hope Charles goes on soon.

#55 V the K

:)

#53 Babylonian

Grasping at straws.
To use the ^th once out of the five or so times in the same memo is rather strange.

Child shrink now?

Keep up the pressure in California, the more supporters Kerry loses the better.

Babylonian (#53),

That blur is what you're standing on?

If superscript was a standard usage, then why is every other 111th on even that document NOT superscripted?

Find a second superscripted th from the time. One.

Then we'll talk about smart quotes.

Technical difficulties ... standing by ....

I'm listening to Dennis Prager talking right now interviewing Dr. Hallowell a psychiatrist from Boston who first classified ADHD and ADD which I read.
So where is Hewitt - the Powerline Guys etc..?

Yes, who is this Dr. Halliwell?
of the HRCCEH or something.

And never give up on California... it'll be Republican in my lifetime.

Dr. Who?

#41 V the K

You forgot the videotape of Pearl Harbor which proves Roosevelt planned the whole thing with the Saudis.

Other than that, you rule dude.

#70 Charles

We should all get you special "interview" PJs!

#53 Babylonian

That's a great example, Babylonian. Look at the sample you posted. In this presumably authentic document, the "th" does not rise above the top of "111". Notice how the top of the "th" and the top of the "111" are on the same plain.

In the CBS forgeries, the top of "111" is exactly centered on the "th", the precise way that MS Word renders this superscript.

The only people who refuse to accept the documents as forgeries are those who refuse to see.

Charles, have Dennis Prager introduce you as the Lizard King! ;-)

#75 WriterMom:

We should all get you special "interview" PJs!

Are you suggesting that Charles spends all day lolling around in PJs, a la Hugh Hefner?

:-)

Forgive the 9/11 terrorists? WTF is this crap?!

#53 Babylonian
Old news.

A different super script, very different...

See here

Also look at the other typein that document, does it match the memo's? Even close? Nope.

We found the equipment that has all the relevant features. We have discovered the machine that can easily reproduce the memos. All the features, on one machine. (Windows based computer using MS word)

No one else has done this. Period.

#69 - Geepers :

"Those who doubt the documents say those typographical elements would not have been commonly available at the time of Bush's service. But such characters were common features on electric typewriters of that era, the Globe determined through interviews with specialists and examination of documents from the period. In fact, one such raised ''th," used to describe a Guard unit, the 187th, appears in a document in Bush's official record that the White House made public earlier this year."
[Link: www.boston.com...]

Dr. Hallowell's talking about forgiveness, and it's fascinating and all, but where's CHARLES?

...anyone making an mp3 of it?

#75 WriterMom

Footie jammies?

A good article by Ben Johnson on Frontpagemag.com on
Bush's Advantage on Military Service

The facts show George W. Bush served honorably in the National Guard from 1968-73, volunteering the most hours when the country was most likely to call on him and decreasing his flight time as the nation pulled out of Vietnam.

{snip}

George W. Bush entered the Texas Air National Guard upon graduating from Yale in May of 1968. For the next two years, Bush would fly almost non-stop for 80 weeks, making his Reserve duty a full-time job. From May 1968-69, he earned 253 flight points, more than five times the required annual minimum for Reserve members. He earned nearly 100 points more than that the following year. From 1970-72, he earned more than twice his minimum each year.

#35 V the K

Gratz!

I'm waiting to hear Charles. Does he know that 'The Daily Sun' ran an article about bloggers on the front page? I don't think it was published nationally. He was mentioned frequently...[Link: www.nysun.com...] I can't find it on the website...

#78 Cam

No, silly...in one of the MSM pieces they said all bloggers are just people who sit around in their pyjamas all day. I can't remember which one.

Lizard PJs.

I don't know if anybody cares at this point or what mileage we can get out of it, but I actually got an EMAIL reply from Jim Naureckas of "FAIR". In my original email to him, I raked him over the coals for buying into the "Documents are authentic" garbage.

He emailed me back with the following:

"The font is clearly not MS Word Times New Roman. Look at the 8s.

Regards,

Jim Naureckas"

*laughs* So that's what passes for investigative journalism at "FAIR" these days--no acknowledgement of the dozen or so problems with the "authenticity" of the docs in question--instead all that is offerred is quibbling over the "8s".

If Charles wants to see the email, I'd be happy to forward it to him.

#84 Thom

Hey-whatever floats your boat!

OT:

Photos of islamic terrorists dancing on a US military vehicle in Baghdad moments before they met allah:

[Link: search.news.yahoo.com...]

These need to go on the front page -- the "mainstream" media is spinning this story as 'innocent civilians' killed.

They were waving an 'al Qaeda' flag for crying out loud.
 

Charles obviously isn't going to be on.
And if he is its not going to on the internet... this may be a repeat they're playing on the internet.

ANOTHER LIZAROID TEASER

#88 WriterMom:

LOL!

Right now there's some guy talking about forgiveness ...

Am I listening to the wrong thing?

Up next, I think. He mentioned that they're going to take calls after this break.

I want my anger. I need my anger!

#35 v the k

Outstanding. I laughed heartily.

#35 V the K: Woohooo!! Good job!

I don't get it-- I'm listening to Prager right now ( 870AM, 0913H PST), and it's just Prager doing usual Prager schmaltzy talk... no hint nor mention of anything remotely bloggy...

Is it in the second or last hour?

Cam-

See Charles' own Friday entry: Blogger In a Three Piece Suit...

I want my money back. >:(

TAS, nope.

#96 Thom

I want my anger. I need my anger!

Keeps me warm.
:P

#40, Obscure:

The superscript in the heading is important, because one of the defenses of the precise centering found in the heading is that the heading may have been a preprinted form.

The differences in the heading between the memo with the ^th and the ones without shows this is unlikely to be the case.

Also noteworthy that the ^th in the heading is consistent with the other Microsoft Word-style superscripts in the later documents.

Shall I wear a pajama to listen to this ?

What's all this forgiveness stuff?

Blech.

#106 P.L

See my #88 :)

Bah. Halliwell again.

And I have to leave for college indoctrination and re-education soon.

Dare to Kill the People Who Try to Kill You
Like the proposed title for my new book?

Here's my outfit for listening to the Lizard King.

#110 Beagle:

Dare to Kill the People Who Try to Kill You

I dunno - it strikes me as a little too touchy-feely...

;-)

Forgiveness is pretty overrated, IMHO.

New 12Z Canadian Global predicts the end of Mardi Gras as we know it.

12Z AVN predicts Mobile, AL.

The good news, especially for lovers of drunken excess and public displays of nudity and perverse behavior ( the Saturday before Mardi Gras 1999, when I drove out from Lafayette, LA for the weekend, I witnessed 2 teenage girls who were cousins perform sex acts on each other, on a street just two blocks over from Bourbon as I walked back to my hotel, in exchange for plastic bead necklaces. I am proud to report, despite my extreme intoxication, I offered no beads.), is that 11 am EDT NHC discussion said it appeared models has poorly initialized the strength of the upper air low over the Mississippi Valley, so Ivan probably doesn't get that quite far west.

Memo from THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER
To: Dan Rather

Danny Boy,

Please look us up when this goes down. We could probably find a spot for you. It will be a clerical postion; but after a few years of dedicated service we may trust you to operate a typewriter.

The National Enquirer
Staffing Specialist

"Enquiring Minds Want To Know"

#108 WriterMom

I usually post bad taste things, I will go for silk boxers, heavy gold chains and big rings, to keep up with the trend of my posts.
Bad taste slippers would do too, but I haven't any.

I think the difference is between using anger to fuel positive behavior toward the outside cause...

and turning the anger energy against yourself. Wrong is wrong, but you don't destroy yourself (or your family members) over it.

I had a whole lot of unfair stuff happen to me years ago - I used to be in angry angst about it all the time, then I realized I was harming myself as well as being a pain in the butt to friends who put up with me.

(Then there's the example of a person who divorces a mean, irresponsible spouse, then takes out the anger on the children.)

OT: Will piss off Tool/A Perfect Circle fans...

Okay, so I admit that I am a Tool/A Perfect Circle fan... especially APC's latest, Thirteenth Step. I have always known that Maynard Keenan was a moonbat, but an infantile video for a bastardized version of the song "Pet," now retitled "Counting Bodies Like Sheep" has put them on my perma-ban list.

Go watch this infantile piece of intellectually devoid tripe and then ponder life without their music any longer.

Easy for some, tougher for those (like me) who are (were) fans of the music. (Danny Carey rocks)

Here is APC's website - click the link, click the icon at the 6:00 position (Music) then click watch. I believe it's the first video, but you can't miss it - the icon for it is two sheep.

For a bunch of musicians who have made their living convincing the public that they're a bit deeper and more intelligent than some, this is particularly revolting.

I was disgusted.

What say you?

Babylonian

Numerous attempts already have been made to try and duplicate the documents using the best technology available at the time, IBM Executive and IBM Selectric Composer typewriters. Though some initally may appear similar, scrutiny by even untrained eyes reveals significant discrepancies to the CBS documents.

On the other hand, the CBS documents have been duplicated with a precision (at the resolution of thousandths of characters) that was not available in 1972-73 (large fractions of characters, like 1/4) even to the most sophisticated typesetting equipment.

The basic logical question involved in this dispute is: can the documents be duplicated with 1972-73 era equipment or can they be duplicated with MS Word?

At this point, those alleging forgeries can easily duplicate the documents to great precision and resolution. Those defending the documents cannot.

#105 Dal ur Harb,

That's what I am saying. If it were pre-printed there shouldn't be any differences.

The superscripted header was not shown by CBS. The superscripted document is only available from USA Today.

And since it's identical to the other superscript in the text of one of the other memos that means it is likely that the same machine (or program) that created the header also created the text of the memos. Therefore the pre-printed argument is bogus.

#110 Beagle

Like it.

How does this head shrinker expect me to be a bloodthirsty neocon Zionist tool w/out my anger?!

C'mon Dennis - get with the program...

Has Charles been on yet? I hope I haven't missed him. I'm a long-time lurker and I've just signed up! I feel like I'm joining a wonderful army of good-thinking people who care about what's right!!

#118 Smug Monkey

I was disgusted. What say you?

I won't read it then and will be pretending that nothing happened.

La La La... Ignorance is bliss. :P

HELP THIS GUY OUT!

Joseph Newcomber is out of bandwidth!

The guy has done a pretty amazing analysis but his ISP is saying he is pulling too much bandwidth and asked him to remove the information. He needs someone to host that page. He was already up to over 30,000 hits. We need to get that page up again ASAP.

[Link: www.flounder.com...]

#114 Ed Moran

I offered no beads

It's when I read sentences like these that I wonder how long we will survive.

For this time you will be forgiven, Son, but next time you WILL offer beads, drinks, pizzas, and you will renounce not-sinning.

/P.a.I.

#123 numberOneFan

UPDATE at 9/13/04 9:01:02 am:

I’m on hold waiting for the show right now...

#122 Thom

How does this head shrinker expect me to be a bloodthirsty neocon Zionist tool w/out my anger?!

Actually Thom a cool head will allow you to be a much more effective bloodthirsty Neocon Zionist.

#117 Tziporah:

We have a guy who works for us who was assaulted by his (then) wife some years ago. His counsellor had told him that when this happens to try and leave the house rather than reacting. So he tries to leave the house and in the process of opening the door she ends up getting her toe stubbed. Long story short, she charged him with Domestic Assault and he was ordered into "Anger Management".

The gist of their teaching was that containing your anger is unhealthy and one should just let it out.

Wonderful. Now any time he is the slightest bit pissed off he unleashes in what is essentially a temper tantrum. There is something to be said for containing one's anger.

Halliwell again.

I hope that there's going to be a transcript if the Lizard King gets on, but I won't be able to hear the call.

Charles, have I mentioned lately how totally cool you are? No?

Charles, you're way cool

:-)

Babylonian (#81),

They're referring to the same smudge.

Try to keep up.

So, want to take on the curly quote question?

How about vertical spacing?

Wordwrap algorithms?

Centering?

Lack of SSIC codes?

Incorrect military dating?

Wrong use of military rank?

Wrong paper size?

Subject line not Capitalized?

Incorrect deadline for physical?

Wrong examination code?

Should I go on?

LOL I forgot, and checked it now... Dr. Halliwell? Chronic anger?

Lysander

Listening to Prager on the radio (WHK Cleveland) and that psychiatrist IS on (12:37 Eastern). If the Powerline guys were supposed to be guest hosting, this must be a tape.

#124 RIP Ford

Heh, I almost wish I hadn't seen the video, but it really needs to be seen to be believed.

(plus the crunky mix they throw behind the video is interesting - kind of)

[Link: www.kabc.com...]

i got the audio here

with camino browser and windows media player for mac os x

on my ibook

with cable modem

bernard goldberg is ripping them a new one

I saw Dan Rather walking down the street with his fingers in his ears , saying "la la la la...I can't hear you so you must not be real La la la la ..."

According to Powerline this is a THREE HOUR SHOW from 11:00 to 2:00 (Central) today.

I forgot to mention that the video is in Hugeworthlessbloatwareadware Player, known to some as Real Player format - so be warned and come prepared.

#91 William
I did a search for 'Bradley Destroyed' and found one unrelated image....interesting...They wouldn't want to be confused with those who would feed our bloodlust, now would they?

110 Beagle...I like it!

This new age bliss-soaked Hollowell has obviously never been victim of a violent crime or suffered through a loved one dealing with an evil perpetration in their lives. Lets see him get mugged and beaten for the $10 in his wallet and say, well this mugger isn't all bad, he just did a "bad deed".

probably thinks Islam is a religion of peace, as well.. FEH.

I'm listening to Prager now, and even if you don't agree with him, the man is brilliant. He calmly and logically eviscerates his opponents.

I wish Prager would tell the anger management and forgiveness guy to fuck off already.

Tee hee....

USA Today engages 2 retired FBI experts on documents and signatures over the authenticity of the memos. Both experts claim that in their opinion, based on at least the 3rd generation of the documents that they viewed, the docs are fraudulent.

Ultimately, this issue needs to move beyond the facts that the docs are fraudulent. No one can duplicate them with the devices at the time - regardless if Killian had them or knew how to use them.

The supporters of the DNC and Kerry want to gain revenge for the damage that the Swift Boat vets inflicted on Kerry for his 30+ years of embelishing his record and for his refusal to sign form 180 and let his records stand in the light of day.

They want to tit for tat against Bush - and are attacking the TANG service - just as they tried to do over the last decade whenever Bush ran for office. There is no truth or facts here - but the goal is to raise doubt, slime and muck up the waters so much that even if false, the stench remains on Bush.

What this is doing is alienating the undecided while pandering to the L cube base. How pitifull that when they have an opportunity to take the debate to the real issues - they remain here.

nooooooo!!! they block Real Player at work I've been totally misled waaaaah I can't let go of this anger

Ugh, my timing is horrible.

I suppose it would have been wise to post that vid link AFTER Charles being on national radio had been sorted out.

The audio wouldn't work for me. (Mozilla 1.7.2 XP Pro.)

#137 sefton,

You're sure it wasn't Eddie Murphy?

(he did such a number in Beverly Hills Cop).

RIP Ford: UPDATE at 9/13/04 9:01:02 am:
I’m on hold waiting for the show right now...

Yes but how can they keep Charles waiting for over half an hour? They must think everyone can just wait for the pleasure of speaking to them! It's not like Charles needs the attention - he has us!!!

UPDATE: Prager is still talking about stopsigns or something.

While I'm waiting, does anyone else think that him exposing CBS is like the next level for him? I think he could be as big as Rush or Sean -- or bigger!! (But not O'Reilly, of course).

#143 WriterMom

Seriously. This is really pissing me off ...

Bring us the bloggers!

Listening on KRLA website...

How long is that Halliwell BS going to continue?

Still the psychiatrist...

#118 Smug Monkey

I am a veteran of 10 Tool shows. Perfectly aware of Maynard's moonbatiness (at a show in New Jersey once, he said that anyone in the military show get the f*ck out of the arena and not never come back to their shows, as you know he's ex-military himself, maybe he dropped the soap once and was taken advantage of).

Though I shudder at what I'm about to see, I won't be too surprised.

babylonian #53

that blur is a wrinkle in the XEROX you jackass. Remember the tried to make the original forgery look "old, circa 1973". Did i mention, you are a JACKASS!!!????!!!!????

Couldn't get nothin from KABC, so going back to KRLA.... maybe some anger management WOULD help ;)

Lysander

Oh cool, audio works all of a sudden... are they talking about families right now?

?

Did National Guard typewriters have quotations and apostrophe's that curved in the proper "direction"?

I don't know why, just ate Chinese food (no rice, low carb) and I'm not hungry, but I can imagine a big platter of crab legs with drawn butter.

Perhaps Charles should organize a "Boycott CBS" Blog.

153 wong fei hung

Wow, he really said that?

What a fucking... um, tool.

and so I thought...why not regester and post instead of ranting in silence?

but wouldn't an accumulation of bad deeds in one person make them...bad, just as an accumulation of good deeds would make a person mostly...good?

LOL "don't call me on a k00ky konspiracy..."

OK, that was good, woth hearing ;)

Lysander

#149 Thom

As my daughter would say yah-uhhhhhh.

(As opposed to naaa-uhhhh)

This shrinky dink stuff is so over-rated. This is why I could never be a social worker. My only answers to people would be: get over it, get a job, get a life, get some exercise.

Whiners.

How can they keep Charles waiting for nearly an hour????

Finally 'take some calls' -- what about the call they made to Charles. They should put him on first!!!

(BTW, does anyone know if Charles has accepted Jesus Christ?) (I hope no-one thinks that's a personal question).

Prager: don't call me about conspiracy theory? What does that mean? Is that a slap at Charles? Has Charles said the left was behind the memos?

Charles is STILL ON HOLD!!!

#132 Geepers

Yes, please. I've been hoping someone would try to put all the arguments for forgery in one place, ssssssummarized.

#35 V the K:

Most excellent. I knew that Corner posting looking suspiciously familiar.

I'm going to have to check the original email to see whether it was typed on a Selectric or Composer. However, I do see some pecular characteristics familiar to the V the K v.1.2.3456 which is not present in more recent postings, which rely upon v.2.0.1000 for their humor content.

How do you respond? :)

# 125

I e-mailed him and offered him some space.
I have about a gig a month in bandwidth I'm not using.

Now I'm really pissed off.

Remember that the Chinese slaughtering my people were babies once ...

Have I mentioned that I hate blubbering? Or is that insensitive?

The "technical difficulties" seem to consist of nothing more than this shrink's new age blather.

[Link: www.kabc.com...]

this is the correct location

[Link: www.kabc.com...]

is the larry something show

it is topical but not prager

Doesn't Prager have a web address. We could all bombard him with "Dump The Shrink, Bring On Charles" messages.

Shelia E. rocks.

News Talk 870 KRLA has/had Prager and a psychiatrist on...seems you have to go to [Link: www.kabc.com...] to hear Charles.

Charles - are you going to be on for an hour?

</hoping so to make up for this hour of agony and rage>

#149 Thom

Need anger management? ;-)

# 160 Smug Monkey

That was the dumbest piece of trash I've ever seen. How controversial LOL

Too bad he isn't this passionate when MILITANT ISLAMISTS KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Hit em in the wallet. He ain't gettin' my money anymore.

OK I am done with this psychiatrist who aspires to spiritually equal the Dalai Lama by forgiving terrorists.

77 wong fei hung

My thoughts (and actions) exactly.

Not another cent.

The irenic shrink has gone ?
He drove me mad.
Good shrink.

#176 Athos

Please refer to #96. :)

Hello all

first time poster...altho...been lurking a bit.

glad I can hear Charles online...being in Spain I oftentimes miss out on the TV/Radio shows.

hope the shrink is done tho

OT
From Instapundit comes this link to the Spectator
[Link: www.spectator.org...]

MEANWHILE, OVER THE WEEKEND journalists from around the country were attempting to track down the original source of the documents. "We're having a hard time tracking how we got the documents," says the CBS News producer. "There are at least two people in this building who have insisted we got copies of these memos from the Kerry campaign by way of an additional source. We do not have the originals, and our sources have indicated to us that we will not be getting the originals. How that is possible I don't know."

Read the whole article. It's about the "no internal investivation" that has the CBS news staff scrambling.

Hope he is going to be on soon....my lunch break is almost up and the computer in the lab has no speakers!!!! Arrrrrgggghhh........

So, I've finished listening to that anger management guy, and I do feel better. Where's my fascist right-wing hate-speech? Next thing you know we're all gonna start singing Kumbaya here...

There is no truth or facts here - but the goal is to raise doubt, slime and muck up the waters so much that even if false, the stench remains on Bush.

Yes, by muddying everything up, the impact of the SBVT and other vet groups is greatly muted. A very effective campaign tactic.

Val Kilmer as Moses? Did anybody else hear that? Am I hearing things?

I think the Dr. is talking about how destructive hate is, it's like taking poison and hoping it will kill our enemies. He isn't saying that we shouldn't fight to protect ourselves.

I want my LMCJ !!!

To those of you listening to the anger management guy: that's not the right stream. That's a repeat. Prager is off today. The PowerLine guys are filling in for him.

KRLA isn't right.

KABC isn't right (don't know who's on there).

Anybody else have a better link?

Commercials now for everyone?

While we're waiting for Charles (torture!) Did anyone see Kitty Kelly on today? I think she is totally making all that stuff up. Then they had Sharon Bush and one thing I didn't understand -- why didn't the Bush family give her enough money when Neil dumped her? I mean, he was the one screwing around. It's not like they couldn't afford it. I think she got mad and said the things she said becuase the Bush family left her without money. I don't ever like to say anything bad about the Bushes (not a good idea!!!) but I bet they wish they had given her money so she didn't talk to Kitty Kelly (even if it was all lies, or maybe it was just one brother (NOT W!!!) taking drugs at Camp David. Anyway.. here comes CHARLES!!! (I hope). (He is the KING).

#181 Thom

OK.

It's like 9/11 when I was interviewed by a local paper after talking at a Memorial Service - and said that "I don't want to forget what was done to us".

Security Mom

I have to believe it's a joke... please be a joke.

OK KABC working now ;) Did I miss the Lizard Master?

Lysander

#182 kawfytawk:

Welcome aboard. What part of Spain are you in?

I was looking for images of shrinks, and look what I came up with: shrink image.

Does anyone speak German? This (f)artist was reading our minds....

#182 kawfytawk

Welcome to the fray.

187--wasn't he the voice of Moses (and God) in The Prince of Egypt?

Tool fans:

Consider a boycott of the scum Maynard James Keenan (he links to INDYMEDIA).

Who-hooo!

Northern Alliance on now - Charles should be coming up soon!!

Yes, by muddying everything up, the impact of the SBVT and other vet groups is greatly muted. A very effective campaign tactic.

It is an effective tactict for Kerry UNLESS it comes out that these frauds came from the Kerry campaign. Then the perverbial sh** will hit the fan.

YES! Lileks, too! All in their jammies, too!

#192 numberOneFan

Are you creeping me out?

A little bit, a little bit.

#187 and 194

Val Kilmer did play the voice of Moses in the animated movie called 'Prince of Egypt.'

Were they talking about that by chance?

Ok finally...it's on 870 KRLA now

Where everything that isn't banned is mandatory...

That's awesome.

Pajamas!!!

Awesome!!!!

Hey, Lileks is there too! The pakamas cracks are on!

On line Pyjama Party.

Whoooooooooooooohooooooooooooooooo!

Sorry folks. Spoke to soon. KRLA 870 is the place.

YES LILEKS DROPS THE PJ BOMB!

#200 wong fei hung

I forgot to mention that little gem, that was the icing on the cake.

Don't give that idiot another red cent.

Eh, that's pajama. I'm as excited as a highschooler before a major date!

Awesome... "One of the favorite...."

All hail the Lizard King!

#196

Thank you for the welcome...I am in southern Spain. In a town called El Puerto de Santa Maria....very near Jerez

On line #8 Charles Johnson! WooHoo!!

LGF rules!!!

#40 Obscure

There's an important difference you can see a bit clearer on

[Link: img.photobucket.com...]

In the memo, the "th" is true superscript, that is, it is both reduced in size and rises above full sized characters. These two things in combination are important because they can only be duplicated through modern equipment.

In the image of what looks like a report, the "th" is not two typed out superscripted characters, it was made by a single key that contains two characters which are underlined. The key places the image within the boundaries of a letter space. It is not superscripted - it does not rise above the other letters. This key was (obviously) found on specialized typewriting equipment which was in use at the time.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that because the th's are both little, they are the "same". There are important differences that show one can be made on equipment of that era, and the other cannot.

Charles now on 870AM

206 andrew

Yeah, I'm thinking, moby?

The Lizard King is finally in the Building. ;-)

Charles sounds different when he's not printed words.

Its Charles!

CLAPS ENTHUSIASTICALLY!

LGF rocks.

YES!!!!

Am listening this very moment to Charles on Dennis Prager's show -- webcast from KSKY
[Link: play.oneplace.com...]

Go Charles!!!!

Sounding good Charles! Nice work man!

Everyone put on your PJs!

Go Charles! Go Charles!

Tuned in just in time!!

Here he goes !!!

Yes, yess, yesss, yessssss.

Hi Charles!
Good to hear your voice.

Best point so far:

"I worked on marketing for DTP software so I am an expert"

Charles, you are heard around the world!

Charles sounds different when he's not printed words.

yeah, and his font and spacing look different.

It's so weird to listen to the man himself...he has a voice now...

The Lizard King speaks!

OH BOY!

Get ready for LGF to be bombarded this week.

Dan Rather in the Instapundit pajamas

So then I spanked Rather's @ss...

Lileks has radio chops. Charles you sound wonderful!

yee ^haw

#231

Yes, I'm listening on KSKY, it's our local Prager station. Audio is very good.

All these guys have good radio voices.

oh man, this is just too good

You're busted CBS. Lileks and Charles made the critical argument.

Site loads slowly... damn lizards hordes are crashing in...

Charles,

Good for you. Listening in right now.

All the best.

LFG! LFG! LFG! LFG!

charles sounds great

[Link: www2.krla870.com...]

is the site

Lileks is pretty funny too
"a repairman found that when connected to a nuclear power plant with all 1400 vacuum hoses connected..."

James Lileks: LOL

We even got James Lileks on the same show. This is too cool ... blog history in the making!!!

You mean it wasn't created via a time traveler named Gates who visited Killian with a Dell notebook, showing off Windows and Office XP?

#226 Beagle:

LOL. I, too, imagined his a voice a little more, well, diabolical.

;-)

I'm waiting for Charles to invite the public to come see for themselves...

Good job!

(applause)

Fine job Charles, just fine!

Good show, Chas.!

Nice.

Way to go Charles!

superb job Charles! *O/* wooohooo

Good job, Charles, good job.

Good job, Charles! Good show.

That's all, folks! Charles has left the building!

let's call in and play the opposition. everyone select a quote from DU and start dialing... ;-)

Was that it? Only 5 minutes?

Aaand he's done. Nicely done Charles

Not enough time to allow Charles to expand. @#$! ads...

But excellent job with the time you had, Charles.

They're taking calls next?

Excellent Charles.

hmmmmm.... no lisp can it truly be our lizardoid master?

vanishingly small to zero

Excellent.

{loud applause}

And the crowd goes wild.

Meteorite fragments on a piece of paper duplicating a Microsoft Word doument in 2004....wonderful.

great job, Charles! You nailed it!

back to work for me.

BTW, I think LGF has logged a record number of Users Online. Charles, is that right?

Great job Charles. You Da MAN!

Was expecting the Bwaaahhhhaaaaaa tho.

#270 Free Speech

KRLA 870AM archives the show after it ends today on its website and you can listen until the next show tomorrow.

I really liked the way Charles addressed the question on the theory that the memos could be real......nice straight factual answer.

Way To Go!!!

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