I'll post a link to a recording of the just aired O'Rielly Factor in a few minutes. Gotta compress it ya know.

Charles,

A mention on the "th" alignment might help.

Podhoretz gave great props, Charles.

He forgot the "/weblog" though.

Lysander

Lizards: somebody set us up the bomb!
Fox: All your blog are belong to us!
Fox: You have no chance to survive make your time!

Wouldn't it be nice if Kerry would actually talk about the issues? He's still fighting the Vietnam War. If I were undecided, I would want the candidates to tell me why I should vote for them, wouldn't you?

-JusTalkin

Nice that LGF got a mention on O'Reilly's show!

However, O'Reilly is startlingly clueless.

- CBS News runs with a story based upon obviously forged documents.

- CBS News uses a Kerry campaign flack Ben Barnes as a 'credible witness' during the story to back the forged documents.

So O'Reilly says to guest Podhertz, "What's the big deal?"

I don't know why his show is so popular -- it's about 1% as informative and insightful as Special Report with Brit Hume.

And that's no spin.
 

All your no spin zone viewers are belong to us now! BWAHAHAHAHA!

He mentioned this place at least 3 times. Bill mis-mentioned it once calling it "little footballs". It is great how Charles was so on top of this. What an excellent blog.

Thanks for not "sugar-coating" the truth, Charles. That graphic is the bee's own nuts, btw.

#4 evariste

Lizards: somebody set us up the bomb!
Fox: All your blog are belong to us!
Fox: You have no chance to survive make your time!

LOL!
You tell 'em!

CBS trusted the Shover Robot!

Lysander

New visitors will also want to look at Dr Newcomer's typography analysis:

[Link: homepage.mac.com...]
 

It was worth watching just to see the I-just-ate-something-nasty look on Bill O'Reilly's face when he had to say "Little Green Footballs." Heh.

Charles:
1. Open up registration for a limited number of people? Maybe 100 and then close it again?
2. Set up an immediate redirect from littlegreenfootballs.com to /weblog/weblog.php or else to this thread for the Fox viewers because he gave an incomplete URL and those people are likely adding strain to the server loading that image-heavy FP...

For those who didn't see it:

[Link: homepage.mac.com...]

Holy Balls!

Bill O’Reilly is a one mand Denial of Service Attack!!

UGH...so sloooow...

Charles

Just before getting blown off LGF, I was posting..

John Podhoretz Gave you good stuff....buy more POWER, you're going to need it. LGF is going to get Bombed...incoming isn't exactly the word...BOMBED is the word.

Charles,

Mad props, Lizard Master. While the smoke started elsewhere, you set CBS and the Dems on fire...with the facts.

You've also done more for the blogosphere in the last week or so than anyone has ever done before. This is democracy in action, and it's a frigging beautiful thing.

This has been the perfect storm. I hope you're enjoying it...and I hope Hosting Matters holds up better than Dan Rather.

Good on ya!

#12 Charles

I laughed when he called the site "Little Footballs" later in the piece.

Thanks Articulated.

[crosses fingers, presses post button]

Third times a charm.

My computer is whirring and smoking again.

Y'all have a good night, and play nice with all the newbies that are sure to pop in momentarily.

O'Reilly looks pretty good. Looks like he's been on Atkins. (You can tell I haven't watched in a long time)

Laurie Dhue saying a radio outage out west (presumably ATC) has resulted in planes in a ground stop in Las Vegas and other cities in the West.

Huh?

I'm new to the site (thanks O'Reilly!) and it's one of the best I've seen. Great Job LGF! You're doing an excellent job and have my utmost respect! Keep up the great work.

This is unbelievable!

Artisticulated (#14)

Thanks, brilliant.

LGF is getting hammered right now.

On the crumples in the pdf: now we have to trust Dan Rather that the unnamed source who obtained these 30 year old documents from the secret files of a guy wh o has been dead for 20 years kept them crumpled up...

Cause at least from the waste up Dan Rather does not wear pajamas when he reports the news.

glenn just plugged you guys too!

#19 Geepers

Just call me Artie. ;)

If you want to grab this vid Charles feel free. I'm putting the full segment up in about fifteen minutes (over 20 megs) if you want to grab that as well. If you want uncompressed, let me know.

Glenn Reynolds gave a boost on Paula Zhan.

Lysander

Charles,

Have Hosting Matters up your bandwidth quota in apache for littlegreenfootballs.com. Your bandwidth and physical server are fine. Checked via nagios for
bia.hmdnsgroup.com

Yea!!!! Charles and littlegreenfootballs.com (along with the above graphic) was cited by Glenn Reynolds on the Paula Zahn Show just now.

Go Charles!!

Charles - Glenn Reynolds is on Paula Zahn (CNN) right now (along with the Johnson guy from Powerline) talking about how the bloggers did the takedown on this, and he pointed to your famous overlay of CBS's memo and the identical one you typed in Word.

YOU ROCK, O LIZARDOID MASTER! :-p

(Disclaimer: No, of course I don't normally watch CNN; I tuned in because Glenn mentioned his appearance on the Instapundit site. Yeesh. Have a little respect for my intelligence.)

To all the new people..

Check back regularly for more posts..this place is amazing! You will not regret it!

#14 Artisticulated

Thank you very much :-)

Great job Charles....

cheers :-)

Cnn just showed Charles' overlay. Poor Dan Rather. Great job, Charles.

Glenn Reynolds just mentioned Charles and LGF on Paula Zahn's show.

It was in an interview about Ra^therGate, which ran after a package about blogs in general, featuring Glenn and M. Zuniga.

Charles - Glenn Reynolds is on Paula Zahn (CNN) right now (along with the Johnson guy from Powerline) talking about how the bloggers did the takedown on this, and he pointed to your famous overlay of CBS's memo and the identical one you typed in Word.

YOU ROCK, O LIZARDOID MASTER! :-p

(Disclaimer: No, of course I don't normally watch CNN; I tuned in because Glenn mentioned his appearance on the Instapundit site. Yeesh. Have a little respect for my intelligence.)

Glenn Reynolds gave a boost on Paula Zhan.

Another bump for the Master of Lizards

Lysander

I'm glad to see that Fox is keeping up the presure on CBS. I'm sure they feel that can weather it if they hold out. Though I admit I sacred coworkers in the break room jumpin up and down at the mention charles's name.

OT: anyone have a link to a page that details all the issues with the Documents?

Sorry for the double post, lizardoids - the first time I got a "page can't be displayed" message, so hit "post" again.

Charles, your site must be getting slammed with new visitors. Mazel Tov! :-p

Everybody give Charles one dollar. I did.

you're welcome zulubaby and RWC and whoever else.

Word for OS X - that's why the Kerry campaign didn't think anyone would spot the forgery! They figured not enough people use Macs. They figured wrong :)

Awsome! KUDOS CHARLES ! :-)

Sorry for the double post, lizardoids - the first time I got a "page can't be displayed" message, so hit "post" again.

Charles, your site must be getting slammed with new visitors. Mazel Tov! :-p

Update: And it's probably going to happen again - just got the "can't be displayed" message again. :-(

What the hell - go for it. ;-)

So Cal--she called that dweeb--Mathew Zunigas something else. How come? Last name beginning with an "M".

Glenn Reynolds also led off his MSNBC column with Charles' overlay: Windows 73?

And then Paula reinforces the legitimacy of the blogosphere by following up in the next segment talking to wonkette.

All hail the Lizard Overlord! That was great, thanks for the clip Artisticulated.

Hey, I just recorded the Paula Zahn Now interview with Glenn Reynolds and his reference to LGF. Where can I get it hosted?

Before the interviews started they did a little introductory piece on Blogs in general and had an interview with Markos "Screw Them" Zuniga. Should I edit out that part or leave it in?

Aweeeesome! :-) Thanks to Artiscticulated for the clip.

Alright, with less than 2 months left to go in the presidential election, and a war in Iraq, and Ra^therGate and any number of important topics available, what does Larry King (CNN's highest rated show) have on tonight?

Dr. Phil. For the hour.

/I was only watching to see what Glenn Reynolds was going to say on Paula Zahn - should have switched channels immediately after that segment was over.

Aweeeesome! :-) And thanks to Artisticulated for the clip.

New memo out and there is little doubt as to its authenticity:

[Link: www.imao.us...]

BTW I forwarded it to CBS

#39 Artisticulated: I'll see your $1 and raise you $9. ;-)

(Translation: I donated $10 within the last week.)

Yes, fellow minions - let's boost Charles' bandwidth fund. I have no doubt he'll need it after tonight. :-p

(And the way things have been going, I'm going to just post with no preview; apologies for any typos.)

(#43) Katt

He's got three names: Markos Moulitsas Zúniga.

CNN just chopped off the last one.

Read the description. I can't stop laughing.....

(#43) Katt

He's got three names: Markos Moulitsas Zúniga.

CNN just chopped off the last one.

Reminder
LGF meet up Knoxville, TN area tomorrow 6:30 PM, Calhoun's On the River. Be there, don't piss off Iron Fist. He may take it out on me...:).

LGF did it! Charles is DA MAN!

Now to hope that IVAN will not be the devistation that Blather is hoping, praying and sacrificing baby lambs for.

Of course, now that "we bad, we nationwide" Blather may come clean (or at least, start backpeddling) tomorrow.

KEEP IT UP. THIS MUST NOT DIE

LGF has arrived; favorable mentions on both Fox and CNN. The controversy regarding the authenticity of the memos is over; the only remaining question is the damage done to CBS and the Kerry campaign.

However, Glenn Reynolds did put things in perspective, he compared a successful blogger to a professional bowler with a small, but loyal, fan base.

Alright.

5,495 visitors online.

Some of you just made me double post.

You know who you are.

Good going Charles, you're showing the world what Democracy in action looks like:

BY the people
OF the people
FOR the people!

Now 'scuse me while I go slip into my nighty.

Short version of video about 5 megs

Long version of video about 20 megs

Most kick ass

Wow!
Over at CaptainsQuarter,
[Link: www.captainsquartersblog.com...]
he's got a must read article.

ABC's Brian Ross interviewed the two experts who CBS hired to validate the National Guard documents and reports they ignored concerns they raised prior to the CBS News broadcast. "I did not feel that they wanted to investigate it very deeply," Emily Will told Ross. "I did not authenticate anything and I don't want it to be misunderstood that I did," Linda James told Ross. Ross reports 2 experts told ABC News today that even the most advanced typewriter available in 1972 could not have produced the documents

He does a job on Rather and CBS.

Up to now, we assumed that CBS ran with the forgeries not out of malice as much as avarice and ignorance. Now that view may turn out to have been too charitable. Far from failing to properly vet the documents, CBS knowingly moved forward with these forgeries, only stopping long enough to shop for a couple of supporting opinions from people who turned out to be unqualified to authenticate them

Charles:

Or simply swap the screen font for the laser printer version ;-)

#14 Artisticulated

THANK YOU so much for posting that clip. (Now - any chance of being able to get Brit Hume's broadcast every night?) :~)

And warmest heartfelt congratulations to Charles.

Charles,
The sunlight that you and a small group of other distinguished bloggers have brought in to expose the forgeries being peddled by Dan Rather and CBS News is, and will be long remembered as, a watershed moment. Kudos. You've earned it.

#12 Charles

It was worth watching just to see the I-just-ate-something-nasty look on Bill O'Reilly's face when he had to say "Little Green Footballs." Heh.

Hey, but you had to notice they didn't call you "conservative".

#54,

I note it has two typeballs. Can it do superscripts?

(I don't know where I've ever seen an eBay auction with a counter of over 11,000 hits!)

The previous post has the wrong url for the long version. And it only took five trys to post the wrong one! Licking fingers…

Short version of video about 5 megs

Long version of video about 20 megs

quasi (#54)

I'm crying from that!

Questions from other buyers

Q: I need to alter some Silver Star and Bronze Star citations, would this typewriter be sutable for that?

A: Should work wonderfully, but you'll [need] some old blank citation forms. You may want to contact John Kerry as I'm sure he has some blanks lying around.

LOL!!

This is so cool. It is like watching a chick hatch.

I think tonight the blogs just had their debutant ball with MainStream America. If this post gets through all the traffic: HI MOM!

BTW Thanks Artisticulated.

The previous post has the wrong url for the long version. And it only took five tries to post the wrong one! Licking fingers…

Short version of video about 5 megs

Long version of video about 20 megs

6 William, I hear you. I also miss Tony Snow who shifted to radio primarily. He and Britt are both excellent, IMHO. I stopped watching O'Reilly a long time ago and shifted to cspan and history channel surfing. There's just so little left I'd considered keeping the cable internet and dumping the cable tv entirely.

I am sorry for the double-post. I am on a dialup connection, the reloading of the page is terribly slow, and the traffic here is super heavy (understandably so :-) I even was unable to connect to the site for a good 20 minutes!

Thanks, SoCal. Big name, little person, I guess.

There! I finally double posted. I was feeling sooo left out.

Congrats on the mention on O'Reilly (I was watching). It was well deserved.

Now, quick! Link to something on my site so I can sponge off the traffic!

Charles:

I think the most effective line of attack right now is to demand CBS release high-quality scans of the documents that it has already released. The fact it will not do so strongly suggests it knows the documents are frauds and that it is acting in bad faith.

A demand for high-quality scans is not like a demand for an apology, for them to admit the docs are fake, or for them to have an internal investigation. It is a very, very simple demand, something they should have done a long time ago, and it is completely non-partisan.

Part of the CBS hoax story, as it unfolds, should be a very clear component of what CBS could do to prove it is acting in good faith, and then hammer then for failing to do so.

This is such a good talking point for the anti-CBS critics because it is extremely simple for laypeople to understand--you don't have to know what "kerning" or "psuedo-kerning" is to know CBS is withholding information from experts.

PS: I apologize in advance if this shows up eight times :-(

Holy Cow! Getting on here is like driving on the 405!!! ;=)

Amazing. Gee, it all makes me think back to the days when the #on-line over 1,000 was a big deal. Service a bit spotty, but holding up on the whole. Hope everyone coming for the forged memos is checking out the rest of the great stuff they can find here too.

Artisticulated: Thanks so much for the video links.

I have been trying to post for the last hour trying to explain my giddiness and pride in being part of LGF for a long time.

I have pointed out LGF (and blogs in general) to many a person, only to be told that I am getting fed crap by unsourced websites.

But I'll stick to my blogs over the MSM anyday... especially LGF!

You deserve every bit of kudos Charles.

Go Charles, it's your birthday. Go Charles, it's your birthday.

BTW, I still think O'Reilly is a bloviating, pompous populist who sways like a thin reed in the breeze of public opinion.

P.S. Happy B'day to Colt, also.

O'Reilly almost seemed as threatened by the blogosphere as Dan Rather does. I guess discovering dozens of people who could do your job for a small fraction of the money would be disconcerting.

#56 Elcid: Don't forgoet to take pictures! Here are some from DC's Sunday lunch and VVFT rally.

LGF cited by all 3 major cable news networks in the span of 2 hours.

That is some major comeupance.

Sean Hannity had an interesting point: The Democrats made a point of mentioning details "revealed" in these memos a few days before CBS aired them.

My theory: The documents were meant to kick off "Operation Bush Bash" with the Fortunate Son video and Kerry's upcoming speech thursday, where they plan to try and roast Bush.

I hope they follow through with the speech. It will fail MISERABLY. They really are out of touch....

Texas congressman Jim Turner (D) was in full partisan mode - sickening. I've never seen anybody writhe so uncomfortably while worming his own agenda into the appearance.

Now CNN Founder Rees Schonfeld is further muddying Memogate with his "CBS brought in more experts, and its one set of experts against another" - yeah, a typewriter repairman who posts on a Bush-bashing site is a real expert. Meh.

At least this is blowing up now. It's a shame a more "respected" (i.e. MSM liberal Pulitzer qualifier [redundant, I know]) reporter hasn't jumped on this like Woodward and Bernstein did on that little old burglary - this is bigger - instead of committing burglary to find REAL dirt, a political group is committing FRAUD to MAKE UP dirt!!! A real journalist would be hot on this to the bitter end, working every angle until the real sources rooted out and the bigger story uncovered.

Alas, today's media is berift of such altruistic, honest, and noble reporting traditions. Has there ever been an age when the media was anything but a means for the left to attack the right?

Getting on here is like driving on the 405!!!

Juliette, that is absolutely hilarious! Charles, what about putting that on the rotation thingy?

I think everytime we refer to John Kerry --- we should do so like this: John Kerry and Jane Fonda :)

Astounding... the so-called National Guard letters are such blatant forgeries that they only arouse derision. Blathering Rather and company just can't accept reality. What will Rather validate next, the Protocols of Zion?

Getting on here is like driving on the 405!!!

Juliette, that is absolutely hilarious! Charles, what about putting that on the rotation thingy?

O'Reilly is such a wus, 2 years ago he called everyone who owned an SUV as "UnAmerican". His reporting is so lacking in this issue as he should be called "UnAmerican"!

I think the vast majority of people trying to view the "smoking document" are just going to give up after 20 minutes of "sorry this page is unavailable".

Is there any way to mirror for times when you know you're going to get spiked. Too late for this time of course, but I have the feeling a lot of people will never see this comparison which is truly unfortunate.

[hoping it doesn't lock up on me again]

Grrrr ... bloody double post.

Who wants to host the Paula Zahn Now interview I just recorded?

Kuods to Charles! Kudos don't begin to cover it.

Anyone seeing this Reese Schonfeld(name?) wanker on Hannity & Colmes? Ever heard a dinosaur speak?

This guy categorically does not get New Media and never will.

"Well, CBS has "document experts" and so do you, so I guess we'll never know..."!!

This guy FOUNDED CNN or something.... which may explain a lot.

OT: Anybody think the flight grounding in the West might be related to something else?

Maybe buying time to identify 9/11-style Jihadis currently on board aircraft?

All you newcomers to LGF should also check out an up and comer in the political cartooning world.

Get on the train before it leaves the station.

There you go Frank. It ain't nearly as good as a C. Johnson endorsement, but every little bit helps.

I must admit, the characters line up very well between the 2 docs in your animated gif.

But you must admit, the typefaces are not the same. Your image is very small. Look at the full-sized document. Look at the 8 and the 7. Clearly a different typeface. Look at the serifs. The CBS docs were done in a typeface with a slab serif. Look at the tail on the g's. The serif atop the J. The serif at the bottom of the p's. And look at how the lower-case e's jump off the baseline in the CBS doc.

It's close -- very close.

But no cigar.

From the Hugh Hewitt site;
[Link: www.hughhewitt.com...]

UPDATE: Congressman Chris Cox, a member of the relevant subcommittee, just announced on my program that hearings on the CBS fraud are likely; that the source of the docs is the most pressing issue; and that CBS execs had promised in hearings conducted after the 2000 election to not allow the competitive pressures to get a story to lead to lousy news-gathering. He doubts there is enough time to hold such a hearing before the election, but allowed as how public pressure might force the subcommittee to act even in the few legislative days left to it.

via Hugh Hewitt

"UPDATE:  Congressman Chris Cox, a member of the relevant subcommittee, just announced on my program that hearings on the CBS fraud are likely; that the source of the docs is the most pressing issue; and that CBS execs had promised in hearings conducted after the 2000 election to not allow the competitive pressures to get a story to lead to lousy news-gathering.  He doubts there is enough time to hold such a hearing before the election, but allowed as how public pressure might force the subcommittee to act even in the few legislative days left to it."

#95 gumble

Is it ok just to want Paula Zahn?

OT

Bush family follies: Bombshell book rips clan for sex, drugs

Kitty Kelley's latest fan-fiction hatchet job of W says that Laura was a dope dealer in college. Maybe she has some bong water or a couple roaches with Laura's DNA.

The more I see of this the more I am tempted to change my mantra from "Big Media Wins. Kerry Wins." to "American public blows milk out its nose laughing so hard. Bush Wins."

85 EW1(SG)

Will do..just popped your link, Pic's didn't come up...could be the site traffic here.

sockeye, bug off. Half the posters can't log onto LGF because of all the traffic but the trollies get on? Feh. Where's the justice?

When I first started coming here I thought the name Little Green Footballs was great. And I still do.

I am so glad that Charles' first choice of Rockingwithyourcockout.com was already taken.

101 Artisticulated
Great minds think alike.

#79

I think the most effective line of attack right now is to demand CBS release high-quality scans of the documents that it has already released.

An excellent idea, which should clear the matter up once and for all.

#99 Sockeye

There is a $30-something thousand dollar prize for you if you can reproduce that memo from a 1970's era typewriter. Go for it.

BenJeremy (#97)

What's that about!?

Little Green Footballs is slang for "boogers" correct?

Least that's what I always heard...

Charles,

Was your bandwidth limit raised?

Performance is much better now with 5378 users online !

#83 RightIsRight

I totally agree with you about O'Reilly. I used to enjoy him...but he got kinda puffed up.

#100 and #101

I think you guys need to contact each other, one of you owes the other a coke.

:::sigh::: sockeye is a real tool.

He apparently doesn't understand what happens when you run a copy of a copy of a copy (and so on, 10 to 15 times) through a photocopier. It has mechanical components that don't feed smoothly, resulting in vertical smears (smears are something sockeye and his ilk love to create, apparently) and when combined with imperfect optics, dust, and blotchy laser toner, gives the traditionaly many-copies look of those fake memos.

It is the same font, and same size. Only an idiot or a fraud would say different.

Which are you, sockeye? A fraud or an idiot?

Right is Right -

Today is Charles' birthday?

Cool! It's not exactly my birthday, but September 14 was actually the day I was due to be born - however due to Rh issues, my birth was induced two weeks earlier.

And of course today is Colt's Birthday. :) (Do we have that one in the LGF FAQs?)

Getting on here is like driving on the 405!!!

Charles, I demand dedicated Lizard Lanes on the Information Superhighway! :)

114 phil
Have you checked out what Hugh has written.
It's moving the story along and may do more than just boycotting the advertisers.

#110

Well, it just seems odd that, with all of the backup systems in place, all the redundancy that should be there, the "radio system" goes out?!??!? Worse, it grounds EVERY AIRPLANE IN THE WEST?

Doesn't that seem a little extreme for a "glitch"?

Seems to me more like a weak cover story a script writer might use in a "B" movie thriller about some hero rooting out hijackers.

Anybody else get the same feeling?

Sockeye's been selling that all over town. The serifs, which are tiny, get distorted due to faxing and copying. The fact is that the alignment of lines, characters, and tab stops between MS Word on a modern computer and a typewriter of 1972 so unlikely as to be indistinguishable from impossible.

Congrats, Charles.

Sockeye's been selling that all over town. The serifs, which are tiny, get distorted due to faxing and copying. The fact is that the alignment of lines, characters, and tab stops between MS Word on a modern computer and a typewriter of 1972 so unlikely as to be indistinguishable from impossible.

Congrats, Charles.

I think it is time for us to take action against CBS/Viacom..
Most of you are most likely familiar with the numerous media fronts operating under the Viacom umbrella..

For those who need a refresher, HERE IT IS

116 American Infidel
Have you read what I posted in #100 from the Hugh Hewitt site.
There's talk of starting a Congressional investigation into RatherGate.

Did they make typewriters with apostrophes that were different from single quotation marks back then?

Simple enough question, because all the apostrophes in the memo curl.

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Tell these companies what you think about Dan Rather, 60 Minutes and CBS.

#125 Purple Fury

Yes, but did these same companies advertise on the Wednesday program?

Al Rantel show (KABC Talk Radio) has been discussing this website for the past hour (including giving out the e-address)...Perhaps this show is only local to So Cal.

#118

I think, perhaps, you missed my reference to the tradition (provenance, anyone?) of saying "Jinx, buy me a coke!" when you and and another person say the same thing at the same time.

re: Hewitt
I was actually listening to the show, as I do each and every day. His show and site are on my daily-must-read list. I definitely agree with Hewitt. Now that the MSM's liberal bias has graduated to partisan election tampering, Congressional hearings are a must.

Btw, I have created a distribution list for these companies in MS-Outlook. I'll be happy to share with anyone who wants to save themselves some typing. Unfortunately, not all the companies have externally visible email addresses.

Email me via the little green football and I'll be happy to send it along.

Ed Moran (#124),

None that I have heard of. "Smart quotes" are the "smoking gun" in this case.

Joe Scarborough doing extensive piece on the memos AND BLOGGERS! NOW!!! MSNBC--10 pm est!

Latest from ABC News

I do agree the docs appear to be forged, but I don't think the Word overlay determines it 100% conclusively.

For that, we need the originals from CBS. If all they have are poor photocopies, then we need to know who their source is, and how he might have had access to Killian's private files.

(Anyone else think Rove might be pulling a rope-a-dope here?)

Here's the ABC article about the document analysts that warned CBS not to run the story using the documents.
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

"I told them that all the questions I was asking them on Tuesday night, they were going to be asked by hundreds of other document examiners on Thursday if they ran that story," Will said.

#124

Yes, the IBM Executive series and the Selectric Composer both had left and right curly-quotes.

#133

If Rove had been behind this, we wouldn't be looking at the WORST forged documents EVER! My money is on the American Spectator story.

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=70 96

Someone should send Cox & Forkum's depiction of Charles to Bill O'Reilly. O'Reilly would be envious.

From ABC News

Two of the document experts hired by CBS News now say the network ignored concerns they raised prior to the broadcast of 60 Minutes II about the disputed National Guard records attributed to Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who died in 1984.

Emily Will, a veteran document examiner from North Carolina, told ABC News she saw problems right away with the one document CBS hired her to check the weekend before the broadcast.

"I found five significant differences in the questioned handwriting, and I found problems with the printing itself as to whether it could have been produced by a typewriter," she said.

-------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------

Click the link for the full story. If this isn't the bullet to the head of the authenticity then Bill Clinton is running CBS.

#122 Wallace -

Even more interesting stuff from your link:

Dan Rather Lied About His Own Military Record

(Original story on NewsMax)
Given, that Dan is having such a hard time getting G dubya's record straight, I think it would be most enlightening to take a look at the troubles Dan was having getting his own record straight::

Goldberg recounts that when he told the network star in 1996 of his upcoming Wall Street Journal op-ed piece citing a specific CBS News report as an example of left-wing bias, Rather replied he was "getting viscerally angry about this.”
"Angry I was expecting,” Goldberg tell his readers. "What came next, I wasn’t.

"Rather’s voice started quivering, and he told me how in his young days, he had signed up with the Marines – not once, but twice!”

This is not the first time Rather has hid behind the flag and his own military service claims to deflect criticism of his reporting, Burkett said. Burkett added that Rather is greatly exaggerating his record. First, Burkett says, Rather "misspoke” when he claimed he signed up for the Marines twice. He didn’t.

And Burkett is flabbergasted that Rather continues to proudly describe himself as a "Marine.”

"What he did, he signed up for the military twice, not the Marines,” Burkett said after thoroughly reviewing Rather’s military records.

But Burkett notes that Rather "never got through Marine recruit training because he couldn’t do the physical activity.”

This story originally broke two years ago. It got a tiny bit of notice, and then we collectively filed it away as example # 2349956 of media hypocrisy.. Now it's back.. and There's more to it.. Loads more...

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#133 - Sockeye, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

You say they may be forgeries, but if they are, they came from somebody who had access to Killian's memos? WTF? Are you a total moron, or just a halfwit?

Your arguments might play at the Daily kos, but given that the Lizardoids have double the average IQ of the posters there, you should understand that most of us here have a firm grasp of logic and rational thinking, ergo, not likely to ignore your huge leaps of false assumptions and Bush-bashing spin.

#133 (again) - oh, and your argument, like John Edwards' idiocy, is tantamount to saying, "Maybe Jack Chick is in fantasy land with his tracts, but, honestly, Mr. Pope, how can you live with eating babies every morning?"

It's called a non sequiter. Think of it as a "tilt" when participating in a debate, just like "straw man" and "quoting out of context"

They are all the marks of dishonest arguments.

I do agree the docs appear to be forged, but I don't think the Word overlay determines it 100% conclusively.

Who cares?

BenJeremy (#119)

I still have no idea what you're talking about :-)

Shakespeare on Kerry

Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow creeps on this petty fraud from day to day,till the last super script of recorded time all his yesterdays have ignited Rather to a dusty death

or

Omlet | Act 5, Scene 1

SCENE I. A field in Red Bank, New Jersey. Prince Omlet examines the skull of a famous news anchor.

PRINCE OMLET
Alas, poor Rather! I knew him, Teddy: a fellow of fine buzzcuttery, of most excellent folksiness:
etc

[Link: www.celluloid-wisdom.com...]

Sockeye (#135),

Got a link for that? It was my understanding that the only machine at the time capable of curly quotes was the IBM Magnetic Tape Selectric Composer (MT/SC), which took tape input prepared on a Magnetic Tape Selectric Typewriter (MT/ST).

#126 andrew

I don't know. The text at F.L. says they advertised on 60 Minutes on *Sunday*.

YMMV. I plan to email them just the same.

#136

My money is on the American Spectator story.

Just checked out that story by "The Prowler." But the thing that really caught my eye were the spiffy ads.

Wow! You think gold is really going to go up by 2,000 percent??!!

Don't let those guys on Wall Street see this page, they'll buy up all that gold before we can get to it.

sockeye, came by his nic, honestly...it's what the kids called him, mainly because that's what they did to him/her/it during recess.

#136

My money is on the American Spectator story.

Just checked out that story by "The Prowler." But the thing that really caught my eye were the spiffy ads.

Wow! You think gold is really going to go up by 2,000 percent??!!

Don't let those guys on Wall Street see this page, they'll buy up all that gold before we can get to it.

LOL.

You guys have to catch Scarborough right now.

He is absolutely shredding Rather & CBS.

He's got John Stossel on.

Scarborough: "They're circling the wagons, aren't they?"

Stossel: "The wagons are on FIRE."

Now Mort Zuckerman is expounding the theory of holes...

Oh, this is beautiful.

CBS is apparently admitting that the two experts ABC interviewed did consult CBS on the memos. They both warned CBS off from using the documents but went unheeded. CBS is also saying that they used other experts to verify the documents but so far hasn't released their names either. Just who verified the memos?

If they are really that confident in their fact checking, they should release a lot more information about their research than they have so far. So far every expert that CBS has produced has stated on record that they did not in fact authenticate the documents. If they didn't then WHO DID???

Also along that line, the Killian's secretary has come forth and said she didn't type those memos and she thinks their fake. She acknowledges that some of the content of the memo is true but the memo itself is bogus.

The last leg CBS has to stand on is that the memos are true because some people remember Killian saying something like that. Which is such a load of crap. Even if the content were 100% true, the memo could still be a forgery.

I'll give you an example. If I were to create a memo of Lee Harvey Oswald to himself saying he was going to kill Kennedy on November 22, 1963, even though it's true that Oswald did kill Kennedy that very day, my document is still a forgery. No one would argue that because it happens to have a couple of historical facts in it that this document couldn't be forged. Yet this is the very argument that CBS is making.

Stossel was a bit disappointing IMO. No one but Scarborough was willing to say that CBS has responded horribly to the charges.

#45 Geepers

From the Selectric Composer manual:

http://www.ibmcomposer.org/SelComposer/Manual/19.p ng

Some IBM Executive models had curly quotes, but they had fixed type bars that don't' match the typeface in the CBS memos, so it's kind of a moot point.

sockeye,

Reproduce the document with one of those machines.

Your reward will be $30,000 plus.

Get on it.

...It's kinda hard to get by the lizardoid mastah's animated gif...

...and still there will be that little bit of the population that will remain convinced that Bush was a shirker, disobeyed order's and whatever other non-sense they're being peddled...

...how cheaply some sell their credibility...

..how quickly some lap it up...

Does anybody besides Sockeye know if the IBM typewriters that would be used by an ANG secretary had seperate "curling" quotes/apostrophes?

Not that I don't trust you Sockeye, its just that I don't trust you.

This was bound to happen. But we did not expect it to happen this fast. There is an old saying "Truth Shall Prevail." Somebody should tell CBS to learn from this old adage. But we should never let down our guard. There is more to come. Just watch as the Democrats and their henchmen the islamofascists pull more rabbits (rather rats) from their hats to spike the winning Republican steamroller. But Kerry himself seems to be losing steam. His body language and tone is that of a tired man facing the prospect of defeat.

Robin MacArthur
[Link: www.newsonterror.com...]

Sockeye agrees with me. But I still don't think it's a bad idea!

Sockeye seems to think that if we get hi-res scans, and the font doesn't match perfectly, then this wasn't made on MS Word. Bzzzzt. Wrong. There are two possiblities for the distortion: 1) from the extensive photocopying (which was done specifically to distort the documents to make them look older) and 2) from the low resolution of the scan. The distortion will cause some small pieces, like the tiny tip at the edge of the seven, to be lost. The fact that there is a circumcised seven in the documents does not prove that they are not Times New Roman. This should be obvious. Even if the high-resolution scans are released, little details may still be missing (if they were killed by the photocopying).

But that's irrelevant to my point. The proof would not be in analyzing individual letters but in the spacing between letters (which has remained intact, even in the low-res scan).

Releasing the scans won't actually clear much up. The point would be to force concessions. There is no way a document examiner could prove from a copy that the documents were genuine. It would only help to prove that they're obvious fakes. If CBS did release, at the end of the day the experts would be exactly where they started: with overwhelming proof CBS is lying. It's only if CBS refuses to disclose that the critics get a boost.

The most important thing is to win The Race To Friday^TM. CBS wants to wait until then to dump the news that it's been passing off forgeries and blame it on low-ranking employees because that's when the weekend starts and people stop paying attention to news. By monday, they can claim it's "old news" and that it's time to "move on."

Critics have to keep the pressure up so the time between now and friday is as painful as possible for CBS. We have to cut off CBS's escape route. We shouldn't let them retreat, we want to force a surrender.

This is the kind of "talking point" that could fan the flames. We can't be content that CBS is feeling the heat right now, we have to build them a giant funeral pyre.

#133 sockeye, let it go. Killian didn't keep any private files. There are no 'originals'. Even though you acknowledge 'the docs appear to be forged' you clearly have trouble adjusting your mental picture to the facts. You're in denial. And it's not Rove's fault.

#159 Peter Verkooijen

I do think they were forged.

My point was, if CBS has an exceptionally reliable source, that might trump concerns about the forging.

Like if they came from someone of impeccable character who has a huge trove of personal Bill Burkett memos relating to lots of different subjects, that are all typed in that style, that might lend credence to CBS's case.

If they came from someone with no reasonable connection, or no good explanation of their provenance, then the jig is up.

What I was saying is that CBS needs to release originals or name their source, and explain why their source is so legit that the memos can be assumed to be legit.

So far they have done neither.

The forgeries are extremely clumsy as we have all seen.

My last question is: cui bono?

#60 sockeye, fair points!

Charles, my compliments on your choice of operating system: OSX rules!

You know Rather is reaaly toast when you see mainstream newspaper comics referencing this story without background explanation....

Damn! I was finally able to get in here after seeing LGF get mentioned on Fox last night.
Thnaks for the blog, Charles. It helps keep me sane in a world going mad. And congratulations!

[Strains of Peter Gabriel's "Big Time" plays in the background.] [Bwahahahaha!]

Oh, the power of ther Net! Here's the email I sent Bill O'?Reilly Saturday:

Dear Mr. O’Reilly,

PLEASE investigate this. I am deeply concerned about the credibility of CBS news. There are too many questions about the authenticity of those memos for Dan Rather to just tell America, “They’re real because I say so.”

Foxnews is about the only network I actually trust. Please don’t let me—and the rest of America—down.

Sincerely,

goddessoftheclassroom [I did sign my real name!]

See

[Link: www.littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

And he didn't.

You Da Bomb Charles! Saw O'Reilly last night and figured your website got swamped with visitors.

Watching CBS last night..they are grimly hanging on to the claim that the doc's are legit. They than bought up Laura Bush's statements that she thought they were forged and CBS then stated "she has no proof!" Argh!

I was so disgusted I told the SO to shut the damn TV off or turn on "The Simpsons" on Fox Channel 5.

OT:

John Kerry (refraining from editorial comments here) has an article in the 9/15/04 WSJ--that's today--about how a new CEO would be good for America. I don't particularly care about whatever he says, but there's always the excellent respond-to-article button one may click and potentially let him know how one feels.

[Link: www.opinionjournal.com...]

requires registration I think.

Kudos Charles!

I couldn't get through last night to congratulate you. Enjoy every minute of your well-deserved recognition. Thanks for bringing us along.

Unfortunately, O'Reilly has been snarky over memogate and bloviated when he said "little green footballs" last night.

He also didn't best John O'Neill last week either.

And since I'm ranting a bit, I about puke when he says "there is no difference between Bush & Kerry." Helloooooo? Maybe O'Reilly should tell America what exactly Kerry's position is on all concerns, since he's looking out for us.

/rant off

I don't watch O'Reilly very often...but glad I caught part of it last night. This is a wonderful site!