Dub-ya

ducks in a row knowing the White House and RNC.

CBS can no longer stonewall this story. They're toast. It is now a matter of when, not if. New Media triumphs.

Take that, Rather.

Bush is carefull with his words.

I think it's awesome that Bush gets to turn the whole thing right back on Rather.

Niiice.

I wonder if Kos got the memo.

With respect to comments made here and elsewhere to similarities between Dan Rather and the fictional Howard Biel and remembering how Howard ended in "Network", I am curious as to which two possibilities of events are occuring right now at CBS:

1) Dan is getting a pat down for weapons before going on the air,

or

2) Somebody is leaving a little something in his anchor desk along with little notes hinting about how "it would be good for ratings during such a tough time".

Just curious .

"You got questions? We got answers!"

Keeping the focus where it belongs, on the documents-nice.

I'm thinking Charles's ride today should have been some sort of Triumph March.

Was LGF down for about ten minutes for anyone else but me?

Oh yeah, never play poker with W!

One has to admire Bush's patience. The effect now should be ra^ther serious.

PS. Why is the site so slow? Only couple hundred users.

reaganite: Yep I had issues too, thought it was my computer. Hope you never have to work for the flip-flopper.

11
Yes. Server maintenance? Something more sinister?

Saturday afternoon - people are busy. Fixing to go to Confession myself here in a minute...

#15 our gal sal

What could a Lizardoid in good standing possibly have to confess??

#13 rabid fanatic

Hope you never have to work for the flip-flopper.

I was joking with my HQ a few weeks back and said "we don't do Lurch details" Funny thing is, we haven't gotten tasked for one since then. I guess they took me seriously! It could be they are giving us perks though. We're 8% of the manning in my command and we're doing 22% of the missions.

#11 reaganite,

Yup. I'm picturing somebody holding up an electrical cord, saying

Just kidding!

Sauron has lost his ring ...

and he's P I S S E D !

"With all due respect, Mr. Rather, I think you need to answer the questions." - Dubya

ROFL!

I guess there was a glitch, a pretty big one. I looked at the main page I hadn't refreshed and it showed only 340 people online, now it's back over 1000.

From WSJ Opinion Journal reader responses. Talks about Dan hanging himself with the docs.

"The more I hear of this story, the more I am reminded of the following. In the Bible in the book of Esther, there is a story about a guy named Haman who is jealous of one certain Mordecai because the latter is a favorite of the king. Haman makes up a scheme to zap Mordecai, and is so confident it will go his way that he builds a gallows upon which he plans for Mordecai to take a swing. Well, as the story ends, it is Haman who takes a test ride upon the gallows which he himself had built for another."

#18 Spiny Norman

Yup. I'm picturing somebody holding up an electrical cord, saying

I picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue!

19
Good wallpaper. LOL

So, the last "But...!" of the Left's arguements dies as Bush finally questions the authenticity of the memos. Finally, he puts the wooden stake in the vampire that was the "But, since the WH isn't denying it, it has to be true" moonbat arguement. Wonder how they'll spin it now?

Mark Steyn was so right when he pointed out that Democrats Peddle Their Own Unique Truth.

#5 resize:

Bush is carefull with his words.

OK, I loathe Kerry as much as anyone, and more than most...but REALLY!

#23 reaganite

I picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue!

LOL!

The Doors "The End" just cued up in my Winamp. Appropriate for Blather and Lurch Inc.

Its about Dam time! I understand trying to stay above the fray but there is a big huge elephant in the middle of the room and it should not be ignored.

Now with old Dannyboy on the ropes it is time to move in for the kill. Bush should show no mercy and attack See BS like he did Saddam! Go George go.

If the president of the US publicly calls danny on the carpet wouldn't See BS be forced to respond? Well of course they wont but it sure will be fun to watch. He should call a press conference and go on the offensive. Blame the Kerryakis campaign Kerryakis will be stuck, his handlers wont dare let him anywhere near a reporter let alone a press conference because he is incapable of making any sense. The debates should be fun, Bush is no Tony Blair but he is going to look like a frigen genius next to Kerryakis.

#16 rabid fanatic

What could a Lizardoid in good standing possibly have to confess??

I was raised Catholic - attended Catholic school from grades 1-6.
There is always something to confess -:)

I don't know, maybe its just me, but perhaps this would play better if Bush were to stay above the fray and not get involved, directly. Just a thought, though.

#19

Sauron had memos showing how Aragorn was AWOL and disobeyed orders?

“There are a lot of questions about the documents and they need to be answered,” Bush told the Union Leader

Yeah, Mr. Ra^ther, answer the questions!

“I think what needs to happen is people need to take a look at the documents, how they were created, and let the truth come out,” Bush added.

ROFLMAO!

LLL, take note: this is your BusHitler imbecile talking. Imagine if he actually had any intelligence. :-p

Rather has avoided having whats coming to him ever since he insulted President Nixon...His time is up...

“I think what needs to happen is people need to take a look at the documents, how they were created, and let the truth come out,” Bush added.

LOL! Hello, Mr. Bush, I know you have a country to run and all that but where have you been the past week!? What are we, chopped liver?

#20

if only...

“I think what needs to happen is people need to:

take a look at the documents - check, done.

how they were created - check, done.

and let the truth come out - check, incomplete.

OT
Have you guys heard of the Phoenix project?

Within this site plan, the Yamasaki Twin Towers return, with several enhancements and modifications over the originals. The Twin Towers of the New Millennium would differ from their predecessors in the following ways:

They would each consist of 112 floors with a 12-foot floor-to-floor height. (Up to 14-foot floor-to-floor height is being considered with possible changes in building height.)

The 1,388-foot tall North Tower (Tower 1) would feature a 500-foot mast for communication transmissions, which is a 140-foot increase in height. At 1,888 feet, the North Tower would qualify as the World's Tallest Building. Windows on the World would be featured near its uppermost floors.

The South Tower (Tower 2) would be 1382 feet tall, featuring indoor and outdoor observatory decks. Both Towers would retain the same dimensions about their base: 210 feet per side (exterior).

They would be a tube-within-a-tube design. The exterior skin would feature columns two-feet square spaced 4 feet 8 13/16 inches apart, resulting in a much stronger design (5 times minimum), while permitting larger windows admitting more natural sunlight into the space. The core would feature the same columns as the exterior skin, and its walls would be of reinforced concrete.

Fireproofing will be of improved technologies rather than the spray-on coatings used previously. Elevators would be of fireproof design, and the towers would have advanced fire-fighting systems.

Both buildings would have six stairwells rather than four. The stairwells would contain sensors which indicate if they have been breached in any way. The stairwells would also be wider than the originals.

The current site plan calls for the hotel space to be located mid-rise within one of the Twin Towers resulting in a highly marketable sky hotel. Another possibility is to grant the Port Authority a residential variance and locate luxury apartments within the upper floors of one or both buildings.

Apparently, though the contract for rebuilding the WTC was awarded to the freedom tower group, no one has stepped up to fund it. This architect and his group is trying to get this proposal approved. I don't know about people here but I oppose the "Freedom tower," it's nothing but a capitulation to the islamo-fascists. I support the erection of bigger twin towers and am doing everything I can to help this group.

#21 reaganite

"I guess there was a glitch, a pretty big one. "

The server hosting lgf (bia.hmdnsgroup.com) rebooted.

5-min load currently 18.14,up 22 min

Isn't this a weird campaign? Sometimes one could forget that Kerry is even running. He's more out of sight than Judge Crater.

Dan Rather should be proud. People should lie, cheat, steal to get Bush out of office. It's a matter of national security. He'll kill us all with his reshaping the middle east nonsense.

#34 Barbara Skolaut

LLL, take note: this is your BusHitler imbecile talking. Imagine if he actually had any intelligence. :-p

You have to admit, that would have to bite, if you were them.

Hey guys, I think the LOTR references are really too malignant for Rather and his ilk. In the food chain of evil, he's just a low level stooge. I think it compares more with Harry Potter--remember Rita Skeeter, the unscrupulous reporter who slimed all the good guys in the news and how she was outmaneuvered by Hermione? (I have this up at Dr. Sanity if you want to take a look). I'm just thinking we should save the Sauron and Aragorn analogies for the battle against REAL Evil--the Islamofascists. Rather is a piker.

Just a thought...

#42 Lester

Welcome!

Tell us your plan to prevent Jihadists from attacking our civilians and trying to destroy our nation.

#40 Partisan

The server hosting lgf (bia.hmdnsgroup.com) rebooted.

That explains it!

# 34 Barbara Skolaut

LLL, take note: this is your BusHitler imbecile talking. Imagine if he actually had any intelligence. :-p

Blowing up the planet Venus with the Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator so it could be more easily mined for the resources to build the ownership society on a planetary scale here on the Earth.

Dan Rather should be proud. People should lie, cheat, steal to get Bush out of office.

Spoken like a true hypocrite, a true liberal.

#44

Wormtongue

#45 Dar ul Harbarian
Come on, don't do that, it's not nice to pick on the handicapped bastard step-child of nodroG.

#42 lester1/2jr
You're right, lester. Just last month I was tellin this guy down in Abilene the very same thing.

#38 ZB:

I think that was intended to be a joke.

Emphasis on "think".

Er, #48, I meant.

#8 kyle

Howard Beale fought for honesty in Network. He even pointed out conflicts of intrests such as when he mentions that the Arabs would be buying a large American company (I forgot which one he mentions). He also said that the tube "is the greatest propaganda force on the whole God Forsaken planet..."

Totally opposite from Dan Rather who can't be as stupid as he looks by standing by this train wreck. Also, CBS is attempting to shape history by introducing lies to the media stream, just as Network (1976) predicted .

GREAT! POTUS has spoken--let the truth come out and the chips fall.

I wouldn't be sorry to see that stuffed shirt Ra^ther resign [it's probably too much to hope for but one can dream].

#42 lester1/2jr

He'll kill us all with his reshaping the middle east nonsense.

So what do we do? Kill them all? or let them kill us?

Farmer Joe, no, he's serious as hell.
That's one of the resident trolls.

BTW the original news reporting is MUCH better than the watered down and maligned stuff that AP and Rooters got their paws on:

Let the truth come out

U.S. must stay the course in Iraq

#5 Resize

Bush is careful with his words because an intelligent person in a position of power ought to be. Kerry is very loose with his words and they mean nothing when he says them.

#39 Felipe

No, I hadn't heard of it. My gut instinct is to replace them with something even larger. I just don't know that, this soon, you could get a lot of support for that. How many do you estimate share your opinion?

Bush to CBS/DNC - Don't make me come back there!

MSNBC is doing a Vietnam John Kerry special

To Felipe -- the biggest iconic marker of the American Revolution is a bronze marker 8 foot off the ground at 44th and Vandy, commemmorating the hanging of Nathan Hale who was executed within a mile from that spot. Almost a quarter of the action of the American Revolution took place within the five boroughs (alright maybe a tenth) -- Cemeteries are not allowed on the island of Manhattan, except for the quarter acre at Trinity Church -- Lower Manhattan is the center of the world-- and no large part of it should be turned into a funeral service.

I agree!! Bring back the Twin Towers!! -- dump Libeskind and the Freedom? Tower.

Anybody who pushed this could easily get elected Mayor, governor, senator,-- what the heck -- maybe even collector of the tariff revenues at the port of New York.

#42 - lester

Dan Rather should be proud. People should lie, cheat, steal to get Bush out of office. It's a matter of national security.

So are you missing a sarcasm tag here, or just the sense that the Good Lord gave a pig?

42 lester1/2jr

sure

The President said, as he has in the past, that after flying more than 570 hours in the Guard, he asked permission to work on a political campaign. “I was granted permission by my superiors,” he said. “I did everything they asked me to do and met my requirements and was honorably discharged. I’m proud of my service in the Guard.

“But as for the documents, there are clearly unanswered questions that need to be answered,” Bush said.

#63 levi from queens
Good news for you tonight!

#60 J.D.

According to the project's website, there are various polls showing 70% support for this kind of project from new yorkers. This is a good article about the philosophical aspects of a project like this.

OT--

I would like to use this space to thank BBC for their "Have Your Say" section of the current events. I never knew that everyone in the world thought so similar! And the BBC reports on their opinions in the story before they're posted! My only regret is that my "Say" has never made it. I guess I'm always too slow on the draw.

Looks like I picked a bad day to quit methamphetamines

You should make the server go down now and then. I had to go mooching around elsewhere. Hope you like some of these bits I found.
Bush hinted he was aware of memogate(how could he not be) when he was in
Charlotte.

"One of the interesting things about a changing economy is that our workers are more productive than ever before. That means instead of using a hoe, you use a backhoe. Or instead of using, you know, a regular old standard typewriter, you use a computer. In other words, that's an example of becoming more productive." (Applause.)

Here's another parody. Bible gate.

And here's CBS's guidelines for responsible journalism.

Particularly interesting today are pages 37A and B, "Identification of News Sources."

Though the section is dated October 15, 1981, it begins: "Recently the credibility of news organizations has been tarnished by the abuses of a few reporters who, while claiming to rely on anonymous sources, were fabricating stories. Quite reasonably, these incidents have led to discussion by the public and journalists of the practice of using anonymous sources."

It goes on to a section on page 37B headed "Standards and Procedures," which says, in part: "Anonymous sources should be used only when it is determined (1) that there is no other practicable way to obtain and report the information; (2) that the information is factual and of sufficient newsworthiness to warrant its use despite the fact that we cannot disclose its source; and (3) that the source and his information are highly reliable in the particular instance."

There is more, including this: "Where the use of an anonymous source is necessary, as much information as possible about the nature [underlined] of the source should be provided to the audience, assuming, of course, that this information would not lead to disclosure of the source. Where the source may have a vested interest in the matter to be reported, it is especially important that information be provided as to the nature and/or motivation of the source."

Coming soon to a theater near you, Dan Rather starring in "Wag the Rat."

Could Bush have an inkling of who the source of the forgeries is, as well as who was in the chain of transmission to cBS? He has ignored the Old Media so far, why would he acknowledge them -- if not to help drive a stake through their vicious heart? the stake which Rather so obligingly provided.

Ceterum censeo, Mecca delenda est.

The President said he does not intend to send “mixed signals” to the rest of the world about Iraq.

“If the Iraqis hear mixed signals from the United States, they will become fearful,” he said. “If the enemy hears mixed signals from the United States, they will become emboldened. If our allies hear mixed signals from the United States they begin to wonder.

“That’s why it is important for me to make it very clear that we will keep our word, and that we have a vision of a peaceful world achieved through liberty.”

And that's the way it has to be. Any waffling before Islamofacists is inviting the knife to the throat.

42 lester1/2jr

Methink thou art a general offence, and every man should beat thee. I think thou wast created for men to breathe themselves upon you

[enigineer] I think eventually the various minorities (persians, kurds, etc) and especially women will realize jihad has no place for them. DJ Paul Wolfawitz and his crazy remixing and reshaping of the middle east has not helped the US or Israel.

I'm watching PBS and just had a vision for a funny skit for SNL or Mad TV:

- Dan Rather
- Those pesky Memos
- The Antique Roadshow

Any writers out there? : )

#42 lester

People should lie, cheat, steal to get Bush out of office. It's a matter of national security. He'll kill us all with his reshaping the middle east nonsense.

{ pats lester on the head }
We know that you are scared, lester. We know.
It's okay. There are people who are not.
Just curious: Do you ever regret never punching that bully out in the playground? That inaction seems to have shaped your life in more ways than you know.

This whole thing is so inept, their is only one person I can think of that has to be invovled...

good ole' McAuliffe

#75 - lester on the lonely road to Clueville:

I think eventually the various minorities (persians, kurds, etc) and especially women will realize jihad has no place for them.

Guess what, genius?

Every woman, Iranian, and Kurd on the goddamn planet figured that one out years ago, except for the ones who get all their news from the Democratic Underground.

I think Bush's timing is perfect. The interview with Gen. Staudt last night was the trigger. Now the .docs are fake and inaccurate. Bush has called Danno out. And Danno is out of bullets.

Lester

So exactly what is Kerry's plan for the Middle East? What makes you think he'll do better?

Considering how disciplined and focused the BC’04 campaign is, I would say this is a sign of big things to come within the upcoming week.

Bush has never spoken without knowing the facts when it comes to these things so now it’s a matter of time for the connection being made to the (or operatives of) DNC.

Dan Rather was spotted on a plane to Dallas this morning. Check out PowerLine for the details. Wonder who he is going to talk to down there?

# 15 lester/manco/whomever:

DJ Paul Wolfawitz and his crazy remixing and reshaping of the middle east has not helped the US or Israel.

Lots of dead jihadis. I call that more than helpful, I call that a win any day.

Washington, DC—RNC Communications Director Jim Dyke made the following statement today

"Bill Burkett, Democrat activist and Kerry campaign supporter, passes information to the DNC; Kerry campaign surrogate Max Cleland discusses "valuable" information with Bill Burkett; Bill Burkett talks to "senior" Kerry campaign officials; an apparently unsuspecting news organization uses faked forged memos and an interview with Ben Barnes at the same time the Democratic National Committee launched Operation Fortunate Son; and Kerry campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill was among the first to call Ben Barnes and congratulate him after his interview. The trail of connections is becoming increasingly clear."

RJ:

Dan Rather was spotted on a plane to Dallas this morning.

Just to hunt around the Grassy Knoll for empty shell casings. It's an annual ritual.

I have been accused of being defeatist. I prefer to think that I'm being realistic. So here are my analyses and predictions.

1. President Bush's comments will lead only to a redoubling of the attacks by CBS and most of the MSM. We've already heard the basic thrust: The documents are only a small part of the story. The accusations against Bush have strong support from both disclosed and undisclosed sources. "With all due respect, Mr. Bush, answer the questions".

2. CBS will continue to stonewall.

3. The MSM is obsessed with their loss in the 2000 election. They truely believe that they are entitled to control the process. This is the basis for their unreasoning hatred of GWB. They are willing to excercise their own "Sampson Option" if necessary to replace President Bush.

4. The blogosphere simply does not have the power to win this one. The MSM will prevail and either Kerry will win or the government will be paralysed.

Fire away.

#83 RJ in Reno: I think he's going down there to send more faxes to himself in NY.

#42, Lester ect. Fancy seeing you here. Someone left a post saying that you were a little half-assed snotnose. But, then someone stuck up for you and said that was a mistaken impression and that you couldn't be a half assed snotnose because you were a complete asshole. Having run the math, they had proof that you wre not half assed. It was even posited that you could do a symphonic version of "Mr Hollands Opus" using only your god given talants and highly trained sphincter muscles. Is this true?

Felipe
Thank you for the link.

Just as the White House was built after the British burned the Presidential Mansion in the War of 1812, and just as the Capitol building was devastated by fire and rebuilt larger and better during the Civil War, the WTC must be rebuilt bigger and stronger. To construct instead a single, substantially shorter building of empty patriotic symbolism is a severe blow to the American spirit in the face of fighting against our potential destroyers.

It's the American way.

#87

Simply put you are CBS "Confused, Bias and Silly" The blogosphere has already WON!

OT
Tommy Franks on CSPAN2 right now addressing the National LLL Club.

J.D.

EXACTLY!

#87, Norseman. BANG!---poof.

Norseman:

Points 1 and 2 are reasonable, point 3 is dead-on, but point 4 is wrong.

CBS has already lost by all indications, regardless of what they were trying to accomplish. They certainly haven't helped Kerry, and it's possible they've pounded the last nail into his coffin.

Notice the widely varying polls lately? Mickey Kaus pointed out that the close ones - like the Harris poll - ended just before this scandal broke into the open. The polls that continued through last Wednesday, like Gallup, showed a huge loss for Kerry.

When is the season premiere of SNL?

If they do spoof Ra^therGate, it will be a sign that the jig really is up, because as anyone who watches Weekend Update knows, head writer Tina Fey is a Moonbat First Class.

#87 Norsman

Big Media wins. Kerry wins.

I have stated this many times and still remain a contrairian. But, recent events have softed my conviction that President Kerry will become part of our vocabulary.

#62 JMorgan

MSNBC is doing a Vietnam John Kerry special

Thanks for the heads-up. I have been watching it. They are trying to paint Kerry in the best light, but you can still see his hatred for America.

Amazing...

SNL Premiere: October 2nd
Host: BEN AFFLECK

#87 Norseman

I HOPE you're wrong. I don't think Bush would have said those things without a careful and thought out strategy. It was his opening gambit after many hours of preparation by the best minds of his campaign.

The plot thickens...

#87 Norseman

I think you are too pessimistic. The MSM, as it is currently defined, is at the beginning of it's demise. The blog genie is out of it's bottle...witness the exposure of so many weblogs in the MSM this week, plus the increased traffic of this blog and others. There is no going back.

The allure of the pajama blogosphere- many differing opinions, much expertise, and when you wade through hyperbolic comments - a lot of common sense (which often is missing in MSM analysis, IMHO).

Afterthought...

Make Ben play Dan. Heheheh...

Perhaps mere coincidence or perhaps a Freudian slip of the word "sugarcoat" by Kerry during a speech in Greensboro NC on September 7--one day prior to the 60MII release.
Reported by the NYT no less.
Sugarcoat Speech.

Kerry, Turning to Economy, Mocks Bush's Reaction to Data
By MARIA NEWMAN

Published: September 7, 2004
Senator John Kerry, whose campaign has vowed lately to focus more on the nation's economy, said today that President Bush has tried to sugarcoat some clear signs that the country is on the wrong economic path.

I wonder if Ben Affleck will talk about his fun times on the Kedwards campaign bus, where they visit Wendy's to pretend to be one of the uneducated common class, have fun with some Marines, and then retire back to the bus for the $200 per plate lunches they actually ate.

The way I see it... if two towers are good, (and they were) then three would be even better.

LeftHandedRightMinded, what's amazing about it?

The other implication of this scandal, where obviously forged documents are used to give credence to a smear campaign is more worrying. If the people behind these memos had just gone to the trouble of buying an army surplus 1970s typewriter, then CBS would never give an inch on their veracity. It seems that to CBS and all democratic supporters, if it looked like it was possible that they were genuine, and it fitted their prejudices, then they must be authentic. When and if the full story comes out it will be interesting to see if CBS even tried to follow a chain of evidence back to an office in TANG.

It would give me great pleasure to see Rather have to walk. I worry though if Bush or the republicans take too active a role in this drama, some ill informed swing voters will swallow the inevitable spin that will come from the liberal media that he was sacked for 'standing up to Bush.'

From my experience of watching Saturday Night Live, they normally choose hosts that have are the "flavor of the moment" and I don't think Ben has another lame movie coming out, so I wonder why they chose him? (sarcasm)

Rebuild the WTC taller, with a giant neon powered banner strung between the towers with in Arabic saying "Allah Felches Camels".

I really should preview. I hit the post button, and on my smoke signal and semaphore modem, I have about 10 seconds to re-read my post and realize the grammatical flaws, but its too late to fix.

As a new lizard, it's my pleasure to ask, "Is it PIMF?"

Hello. Today is Monday, September 20, and this is Dan Rather.

Our top story. On Saturday, President Bush refused to answer questions raised by former Texas Lieutenant Governor Ben Barnes on the CBS News magazine, 60 Minutes, that he received preferential treatment to gain admission into the Texas National Guard. The president also refused to address growing speculation, raised in the 60 Minutes piece, that he failed to take a required physical and was grounded from flying as a result. President Bush skirted these serious issues by saying that he had never seen certain memos that 60 Minutes used in the segment; this reporter notes that 60 Minutes never hinted or suggested that the president had seen the memos. This reporter would agree with the President, therefore, that he had never seen them.

Notably, the President did not himself question the authenticity of the memos as certain members of the right wing press have, but he did make reference to recent events where CBS News had committed to re-double its efforts to assess the memos against recent allegations. As that process takes place, CBS will continue to pursue its investigative reporting about President Bush's National Guard service. We do not believe that the President's statements on Saturday answered any of the questions that we have raised.

Clean-up from Hurricane Ivan continues...

(I'm sure that's how he sees it - we have not yet begun to plunge the depths of Dan's social pathology - my guess is that we ain't seen nothing yet).

Leaving now...so if I don't respond, I'm not doing it on purpose.

Well, since its "cooled" to 34C in HOU, and since I didn't mow the lawn early this morning due to the nuclear weapons detonating inside my left temple and left eyeball (not a hangover, either, no drinkee last night) I've got to go do it now.

#112

BINGO!

Dar ul Harbarian #49

Yes.

Did that statement make king Dan's head explode?

# 83 RJ in Reno

Dan Rather was spotted on a plane to Dallas this morning. Check out PowerLine for the details. Wonder who he is going to talk to down there?

Could be going to see his daughter.
I question the timing.
I hope he doesn't have an old Olympia typewriter in his checked baggage and plans on looking up an old bud in Austin.
I am afraid old "Big hat no memos" Rather may not be done yet. He has risked it all here. What does he have to lose at this point? I'm not sure I'd put much past him now.

OK - tin foil hat off

I am a newbee here. Is there a place where I can go (don't say to the devil's place) to read what liberal bloggers are saying about Rathergate? Always halps to know what the opposition is up (down) to. Thanks.

Thanks for all the (mostly) reasoned responses to my previous post. I guess that the principal difference between my position and most others is that I believe that the Left, and particularly the MSM, is so consumed by hatred that they really are willing to invoke the "Samson Option" rather than see Bush reelected. If Kerry loses, I believe that they will go to any lengths, including irreparably damaging this country, to prevent Bush from being able to govern.

#119

Two good starts:

Democratic Underground

Daily Kos

How dare the President question the all-knowing media guru.

Hello. Today is Monday, September 20, and this is Dan Rather.

This past weekend it was discovered by my personal physician that I may have a rare form of Alzheimers. My condition has not and will not interfere with my ability and dedication to bring you the best news coverage in the nation. Did someone mention Texas Air National Guard Documents? This interesting development may prove that Bush IS a lowlife. More to come.

In other news, President Clinton flatly denies having sexual relations with that intern...

"Dan Rather was spotted on a plane to Dallas this morning. Check out PowerLine for the details. Wonder who he is going to talk to down there"

My guess is that Mary Mapes is going to get the Trump salute.

"YOU'RE FIRED"

and here's a nice settlement so you'll keep your mouth shut about ME. Go home and write a book about how the evil repubs tricked you into forging documents

I've been noticing something so funny about the two John's and I wonder if anyone else has notices it? They have started to roll up their sleeves on their stump stops to appeal to the "Common Man." Bush has been doing this from the start. The two John's are so unoriginal!

#11 Reaganite-

ROFL... was that said from hard-won (or should I say lost) experience?

I agree that Bush is moving in for the kill. Someone ought to be playing the Jaws theme about now...

I'm also wondering if we can't scratch our little CBS moderator goodbye for the debates. (Stossel, or how DO you spell that name anyway)

What I'd like to see would be a White House press briefing, and having Scott apologize for the slight delay in passing out the papers "you know how hard it is to get your hands on an IBM Selectric these days??"

(and of course, have it actually BE from an old typewriter)

Dr. Sanity

I like the Harry Potter reference but perhaps Danny Boy is more of a bumbler/blusterer like Cornelius Fudge than Rita Skeeter even though she is, of course, a journalist for The Daily Prophet. Fudge, circling his brooms against Dumbledore, stuttering endlessly "What?! You-Know-Who a threat?! Never!" Lord Voldemort being the wizarding world's OBL equivalent.

And this week Teraysa "Let Them Eat Cake" Heinz became the truly malevolent Dolores Umbridge.

All while the rest of us are expected to act like Dobby the House Elf apologizing for every misstep real or imagined.

#125 Jmoragn

They have started to roll up their sleeves on their stump stops to appeal to the "Common Man."

A couple of weeks ago I saw video where JK was rolling up his sleeves at a speech. Pretty funny, he looked like he had never done that before, seemed to require quite an effort.

Just saw an old photo of Nixon making the victory sign with both hands. As a certain CBS'er would say, "didja ever notice that if you make a victory sign with both hands, and then put your hands close together, you get the letter "W". Wish I knew how to make a flash movie of people doing that.

#15 rabid fanatic

What could a Lizardoid in good standing possibly have to confess??

Well, for starters, the bazillion hours I've spent here the last nine days, instead of doing my housework, laundry, cooking...

stontflar:

witness the exposure of so many weblogs in the MSM this week, plus the increased traffic of this blog and others. There is no going back.

Exactly. There is considerable evidence that New Media will become an integral part of the news equation from now on.

LGF took three years to attract an average of 35,000 unique daily visitors, with a total of 50,000 average visitors (indicating considerable multiple readers).

This past week, it has attracted from 125,000 to 200,000 unique visitors a day--with total visitors averaging 200,000 to 260,000 a day.

In other words, LGF became the equivalent of a city newspaper in reaching the public. It also achieved acceptance by national news media as an expert on this particular story affecting the presidential election.

And it ain't over yet.

test

Are you sying that Dan Rather is moderating the debates?.

gretchen- Kerry isn't a fundamentalist like Johnny Bravo (Bush) and his handlers. He wants peace, not war. Go help the neo cons build their pyramid in the desert if you like. Won't do you any good.

gymnast- I do actually have a highly developed sphincter muscle. I'm not gay, but I do alot of qigong (it's like standing yoga) via martial arts. One of the things you're supposed to do is you sort of fill your stomach with air, like brathe in deep but expand the stomach. Then you contract the anal sphincter. Do this like a dozen times but wait a little between each one. It's just for general health but a side effect is it clears up alot of impotency and similar issues. for men anyway.

Oh, brother.

ROFL!

#120 Norseman

Could you define irreparable damage, please? Not sure what you have in mind. Something like the 2000 vote re-re-count? An interminable tie-up in the courts, leaving us leaderless and vulnerable? That sort of thing?

Understand that most of us won't put anything past the Left, from previous experience.

Hey Lester I have not seen you around for a few days. The Doc let you out of the mental facility on a weekend pass?

Another Col. comes to President's defense and addresses all charges.

[Link: jb-williams.com...]

Over thirty years ago, Johnson lost Cronkite and didn't run again.

Now his disciple Rather has lost Bush.

If only it worked the other way around.

aviator- I've been trying to get one of those

#134 lester
LMAO. Wiping off laptop screen...
You did not answer my question in #77.
No. Nevermind, after that.

{crickets}

#134 lester1/2jr

I do actually have a highly developed sphincter muscle. I'm not gay, but I do alot of qigong (it's like standing yoga) via martial arts. One of the things you're supposed to do is you sort of fill your stomach with air, like brathe in deep but expand the stomach. Then you contract the anal sphincter. Do this like a dozen times but wait a little between each one. It's just for general health but a side effect is it clears up alot of impotency and similar issues. for men anyway.

Um, I wouldn't recommend that.

You are misinterpreting the bringing of the fei-yin slightly upwards and backwards. You should not be contracting the sphincter; that could lead to some problems, such as gastric disorders, stomach problems, hemorrhoids, and the like.

That's assuming you have actually cultivated enough chi to misdirect in such a way in the first place, of course.

#63 levi from queens . . .

I agree!! Bring back the Twin Towers!! -- dump Libeskind and the Freedom? Tower.

I don't know about bringing back the exact Twin Towers, but Libeskind and post-modernist phony architecture should not be allowed. As you said, this is the financial and commercial heart of the world, and it should not become a giant funeral parlor.

The site should be an exciting commercial area, better than the Twin Towers. The new buildings should not refer to 9-11 in any way--just be great buildings.

freedomsound- I got it from "Chinese Boxing: masters and methods" you may well be right though. I'm no expert and was in fact exaggerating my sphincteral power

I can see why you guys would be cynical about lieberskind, but that final design is 50% taller than the twin towers were!! Come and visit me on the 480th floor

#68 Filipe . . .

Excellent link to the article on the skyscraper and the American spirit. I agree that the new building or buildings should not be shorter than the WTC since we're telling the terrorists that it's OK to knock us down, we'll adapt.

I don't have specific ideas for the area. I just want the area to be normal, with no special funeral parlor effects.
Actually, the best idea I saw for a memorial was a "sky garden" with all the names of the WTC victims enscribed somehow--on glass or in stone--at the top of a new building that's taller than the originals. The symbolism would be there, but the skyline would not be forever tarnish by a tragedy.

Maybe there will be other holes in our skylines. Are we going to memorialize all of them? That's what I don't like about overemphasizing the Twin Towers. The U.S.S. Arizona memorial doesn't dominate Honolulu, etc. etc.

Oh, brother.

LOL! What more is there to say really.

#145 lester1/2jr

Ah, a kung-fu master of the Barnes & Noble style, I see.

Squeeze away then, you can't hurt yourself too bad I suppose ;)

He wants peace, not war.

I wonder if he drools while he types this drivel. Ya think?

#101 stontflar . . .

The allure of the pajama blogosphere- many differing opinions, much expertise, and when you wade through hyperbolic comments - a lot of common sense (which often is missing in MSM analysis, IMHO).

The varied opinions, expertise, and common sense are what makes the blogosphere a winner--plus it's funny too.

Having studied the LLL very intently in the past few months, here are my conclusions (not particularly original ones):

The LLL will continue to believe the lies of the NYT, the BBC, etc. because they can't help themselves. It's their religion. Facts mean nothing. Most of them are getting old. In fact, you could even call them "reactionaries."

Bush will win because most people just aren't as close-minded as the LLL. Lucky for us.

Guess I shouldn't be typing and reading this thread before checking to see if someone is discussing their spincter muscles. I DO try to have a serious discussion about politics and architecture, but sometimes it's just impossible. :(

OK, going to another thread now. Goodbye Lester. Have fun with your exercises.

/Gack

I think the president's comments today means he is willing to take on the MSM for the remainder of the campaign. That says a lot about how comfortable the White House feels about their current strength in the campaign, the quality of the evidence of CBS's documents--and the larger matter of his service in TANG.

Enough people now know the details behind the issue for the president to make it a national political story until November.

Both this story and the Swift Boat Veterans ad campaign have together done more damage to Kerry and the Left than anything the White House could have cooked up.

#133
CBS was scheduled to have Bob Shiftless as their moderator. I think Jim Baker might now nix that option. That's why Bob Scheisser is begging Rather to come clean.

Ya know we would all love World Peace...

Its those damned Islamic Whackos! There would really be no reason to bomb the shit out of them if they just lived up to their motto:

The Religion of Peace

Guys, if I can weigh in on this Skyscraper OT tangent, there is a big issue you have to keep in mind.

And that is occupancy. As in, re-build those towers or bigger, and exactly what companies and people are going to occupy them?

Now I can hear it, 'cause I say it myself. "I'LL work there, I'M not afraid of those bastards!" Uh huh. We're all brave.

But the question is, will YOU... sign the papers that ask 300 employees, whose livlihoods and in a sense families YOU are responsible for, not to mention the same thing about your investors and backers, to work in Towers the fascists would just LOVE to go after again?
Are you prepared to make that decision for all of those people?

I think the 'Freedom Tower' is in fact taking into account some of these economc realities, that cannot be ignored in this decision.

Yes, I'm late chiming in, but IMHO, Bush was definitely right to wait until jumping into the fray. His hands-off, quiet approach allowed the focus of story to stay on the debunking of the forged documents, instead of being derailed by denunciations from the White House, which would have caused the MSM to figure there was something to the documents, which of course there isn't.

By the way, I just finished my first margarita. Yum.

#39 Felipe

I with you, Felipe. I just sent them an email with my support. I just wish they had Mayor Bloomberg's aod Governor Pataki's email addresses on there, so I could CC: them.

#103 Maxima

Great catch!

"Perhaps mere coincidence or perhaps a Freudian slip of the word "sugarcoat" by Kerry during a speech in Greensboro NC on September 7--one day prior to the 60MII release. "

zulubaby- a few years ago Clinton almost got arafat to sign on to the two state solution. I understand peoples frustration with arafat, but I don't think that means we throw the idea out the window. I don't support the settlements in gaza or the west bank. Far right fundamentalists of any stripe, when they come in you know it's over for peaceful solutions.

zulubaby- a few years ago Clinton almost got arafat to sign on to the two state solution.

lester1/2jr, you are so dim. How old are you? You need to get some facts into that brain of yours. Almost got Arafat to sign? LOL What two-state solution was that? Please provide a link. What you and other tools don't realize is that Arafat has no intention of making peace with Israel. Israeli PM's come and go -- the constant is that old, stinky terrorist, Arafat.

I don't support the settlements in gaza or the west bank.

The Palestinian ones?

zulubaby- you're too cynical. Peace between israel and Palestine is possible, it's what most people on both sides want. Eventually israel is going to have to pull out of the west bank and gaza. terrorists are supposed to be voting for Kerry?

it's what most people on both sides want.

I've said this before, can anyone be this stupid?

lester1/2jr, I know it doesn't stop you from opening your mouth but you really don't have the faintest idea.

Geepers, he's so stupid that I keep wondering if he's just messing with us to try and get a reaction. Surely nobody is that dim?

It's hard to get counter arguments here, just name calling. I feel like Ann Coulter

It's hard to get counter arguments here

What are you "arguing"? I can't make sense of the crap that you post. You don't know what you're talking about. Go read up on things a bit and come back when you're serious about debating issues.

zulubaby- the guy who runs this board is making money off of ZOG. You're not. So why promote it?

lester1/2jr, what?

I'm saying what did the far right of Israel do for you? Besides bring us all closer to apocalypse? These Likud guys want war not peace

Besides bring us all closer to apocalypse?

Your stupidity is dangerous. Now fuck off.

Not to worry everyone.

A clue bat large enough to knock some sense into lester1/2jr is on the way.

Geepers, LOL! Not big enough ...

Lazy. You guys would make great marxist thought cops

Now we're fascists. I thought we were Nazis! Make up your mind already.

#169 lester1/2jr

the guy who runs this board is making money off of ZOG.

"ZOG?" Uh oh. You've passed the point of no-return now.

freedomsound- it stands for "Zionist Occupation Government"

lester1/2jr,

it stands for "Zionist Occupation Government"

No shit.

geepers- are you also freedomsound? NO wonder this site gets so many hits. It's all the same people

lester1/2jr,

A simple LGF search shows that freedomsound has posted into over 700 different threads and has been leaving cogent and informative comments at LGF for over two years.

What's your contribution? Accusing Charles of profiting off the ZOG?

And you wonder why we laugh?

that's better than anything you've ever said. "Kerry is a liar blah blah blah " "Hey so and so good to see you back at the board" yeah everyones waiting to see what geepers will say next. Get of Charles dick, you blogger geek

That was pretty incoherent.

you're pretty boring.