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Media Intifada Fading Too?

Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 5:17:38 pm PDT

The failing Palestinian intifada has always relied on international media to promote the cause and whitewash the war crimes, credulously reporting every hysterical Palestinian claim as if it were fact. Today at the Jerusalem Post, Tom Gross asks if the media intifada is also beginning to show signs of fatigue: A mild sign of hope in the media?

Overall, the reporting on Operation Days of Penitence was not nearly as fierce, nor as bad, as it has been on several past occasions.

When, for example, Israel launched a similarly-sized counterterrorist operation in Jenin in 2002 (and actually killed very few civilians in doing so), Israel-baiting in the European media reached hysterical levels. Israel was invariably compared to the Nazis, al-Qaida, Pol Pot’s Cambodia, and the Taliban.

The Guardian said Israel’s actions were “every bit as repellent” as the 9/11 attacks. The (London) Evening Standard called them acts of “genocide” and, for good measure, accused Israel of the “willful burning of several church buildings.”

And even supposedly pro-Israel newspapers like Britain’s Daily Telegraph said “hundreds of Palestinian victims” had been “buried by bulldozers in mass graves.” Palestinians in Jenin, Telegraph readers were told, were “stripped to their underwear, bound hand and foot, placed against a wall and killed with single shots to the head.”

During recent weeks, by contrast, not only has there been a slight easing of pressure against Israel in media coverage, some European reporters have actually taken the unusual step of speaking out against their Israel-hating colleagues.

In Paris on Saturday several journalists at Radio France International slammed the station’s news director, Alain Menargues, for his “unacceptable” remarks during an interview concerning his book Sharon’s Wall on Radio Courtoisie last week.

Menargues told listeners that we knew from the Book of Leviticus and from 2,000 years of history that Jews wished to separate themselves from “impure” non-Jews. He added that Jews had deliberately created the world’s first ghetto in Venice “to separate themselves off from the rest.”

In a sign of seismic change, even Robert “Hit Me Again, I Deserve It” Fisk is coming in for criticism from his fellow British journalists.

And in London on Sunday fellow journalists publicly condemned the notorious Robert Fisk, The Independent’s Mideast correspondent. The associate editor of the (London) Times said Fisk’s coverage “masquerades as reporting but is, in fact, polemic.”

Bill Newman, ombudsman for The Sun, Britain’s most popular newspaper, said Fisk’s coverage of Israel was so bad that he found it “distasteful.”

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1 thinkingmom  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 3:21:43pm
Fisk’s coverage of Israel was so bad that he found it “distasteful.”

For a Brit, that's pretty strong...

2 Beagle  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 3:21:52pm

Anything to bring me back from my Democrats are planning a coup ledge. How could the media remain anti-Semitic forever? Don't answer that.

3 rabidfox  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 3:25:48pm

Perhaps they've left their ivory towers and actually walked around their various cities?

4 evariste  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 3:27:10pm

I feel pathetic that this small mercy feels like such good news.

5 eeevil conservative  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 3:27:12pm

A glimmer of hope?

Could the people finally be gtting the fact that this is true outright hatred?

Thank you Bush!!!!

6 J. Lichty  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 3:30:41pm

They are too focussed on BusHitler until Nov. 3, that the evil Zionazi's are getting a breather. Hasn't Europe learned, they can hate Bush and Jews at the same time simply by saying that Bush is controlled by the Jews.

Maybe they are losing steam.

7 piglet  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 3:37:10pm

Nuanced justice?


[Link: www.ihtp.cnrs.fr...]

Shorn Women
Gender and Punishment in Liberation France


December 2002

384pp 22 illus, bibliog, index
Fabrice Virgili Historian and Researcher, Institut d'histoire du temps présent, CNRS
Translated by John Flower, University of Kent at Canterbury.


At the end of World War II, over 20,000 French people accused of collaboration with Germany endured a particularly humiliating act of revenge: their heads were shaved in public. Nearly all those punished were women. This episode in French history continues to provoke shame and unease and as a result has never been the subject of a thorough examination.

This groundbreaking book by Fabrice Virgili throws new light on these acts of retribution and reveals that, contrary to popular belief, a vast number of those women accused were innocent of any sexual involvement with Germans. Further, this form of punishment was in evidence well before the Liberation and in fact occurred in most European countries both in the twentieth century and earlier.

Why were these punishments largely directed at women? Was a relationship with a German emblematic of female collaboration and betrayal, or were contemporary feelings of violence towards the enemy subsequently re-directed? Answering these questions and many more, Virgili suggests that the punishment was not only meted out for 'horizontal collaboration' but also for many other forms of involvement, and that the act of shaving the head was itself a form of sexual punishment. For Virgili, the public nature of the punishment was a defence strategy, a response to the German Occupation and a reaction to the suffering and violence that had preceded the Liberation.


8 Security Mom  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 3:44:23pm

I suspect that they decided to start policing themselves sometime around September 9th.

9 hipper_than_thou  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 3:44:24pm

Yeah, I know it's cruel of me, but this account of Robert Fisk getting a beating by the Muslims he claims to defend, cracks me up every time I read it. When I get to the part where he says, "Hel me, Justin!", I literally laugh tears.

10 SoCalJustice  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 3:49:27pm
Media Intifada Fading Too?

It doesn't feel like it is to me.

11 realwest  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 3:52:52pm

9 hipper_than_thou -LOVED that article and hadn't heard of it before. Thanks.
PS - Thou art not hipper than me, I'm so hip even my errors are correct!

12 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 3:58:31pm
13 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:01:30pm

The loss of enthusiasm is probably entirely due to the Spainish bombing, the Beslan atrocity and the beheadings. It's getting a little harder to fan of Islamist monsters, even if they're killing Jews.

14 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:02:07pm
15 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:05:58pm

#14 ploome hineni

I'd bet $100 that she's women's studies grad.

16 Sojourner  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:06:07pm

9 hipper_than_thou

No pictures??

17 hipper_than_thou  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:07:10pm

#11 - realwest -- the name is meant tongue-in-cheek. Some antisemitic dolt who wanted to insult an Israeli poet friend of mine, and me as well, labelled us "hipper-than-thou", so I wear the title as a badge of honour!:)

#12 - ploome hineni -- I forgive you for ruining my keyboard. Your post made me spit Coke all over my keyboard!:)

18 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:07:36pm
19 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:09:10pm

Found her web site.

She's a psych grad and (oddly) a libertarian.

20 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:09:36pm
21 hipper_than_thou  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:09:51pm

As a matter of fact, #16 Sojourner, there is. Enjoy!:)

22 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:12:32pm

#18 ploome hineni

Because she blames every war on the sexual perversions of individual men (including George W Bush).

23 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:14:22pm
24 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:21:17pm

Actually I think I misread what Ilana said about GW.

She actually says (or rather uses the propaganda technique of saying that of course every one knows...) that the invasion of Iraq is entirely due to GW's obvious corruption.

So, no she didn't say that GW invaded Iraq because he's a repressed homosexual. So the parallel in the story is, well, not parallel.

25 HULUGU  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:22:14pm

el aurens a fantasizing homo--well did you ever--get him a column in the village voice

26 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:25:47pm

This is such a strange election...

I keep hearing Kerry on the the radio and not being able to stand the bastard, even when he pushes policies I agree with. Could we PLEASE next time PLEASE get a democratic candidate who doesn't insult my intelligence every time he opens his mouth - someone who doesn't make dishonest his core strategy.

27 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:26:39pm

dishonesty

28 Fluffster  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:30:15pm

Well, in Iceland the only right-of-center(being somewhat to the left of American democrats) newspaper has recently stopped talking about Israeli settlers and calls them 'land-grabbers' now. That change coincided with the shift from 'security wall' to 'apartheid wall' - so I'm not noticing this fade over here.

29 zulubaby  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:31:03pm
Media Intifada Fading Too?

It may just be me but I don't see it. In fact I think it's a lot worse lately.

30 hipper_than_thou  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:40:01pm

O/T: But the Fisk beating reminded me of the fact that the same thing happened to Cat Stevens, too. Call me cruel, but the story still makes me laugh to this day.

31 flehman  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:42:54pm

The secularist and pro islamist are trying to pour their hatred out on the world and have us join in with them

Fritz's Thoughts

32 adie  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 4:51:44pm

#7 piglet, I suspect the real issue was lice.

33 realwest  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 5:09:55pm

#17 hipper_than_thou - OOPS! Didn't know about that incident with your friend (obviously). But I still don't get how his saying you were hipper than thou was an insult. Course, I also don't "get" the Quaran even tho I've now read it three times.

34 hipper_than_thou  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 5:11:26pm

#33 - realwest: It was his way of calling us "pretentious".

35 selpaw  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 5:28:12pm

29 zulubaby
I wish it were all winding down but I have to say I agree with you. I just don't see it. My camera and honestreporting communiqués are arriving as always reporting serious media bias in the case of Israel. British Medical Journal and the Diabetes Voice chastising Israel for their harshness in gaza. (tears on my pillow) EU and UN pressuring and threatening as always. College campuses going nuts in support of the palestinians while at the same time Presbyterians and Episcopalians are divesting from Israel.

A good read: Anti-Semitism in the '44 Election, and Today

Jewish government officials secretly manipulating the president? That accusation, heard recently in connection with the decision to go to war against Saddam Hussein, was also raised sixty years ago, in the heat of the 1944 presidential race.
36 zulubaby  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 5:39:38pm

selpaw, I am drowning in all of this, feeling so despondent. Read Fluffster's post #28 -- it's devastating that this is acceptable.

37 pragmatist  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 5:50:21pm

The Presbyterians [PC USA] have to liqudate their
portfolio to meet their immediate financial needs.
Every 90 minutes they literally lose another soul.

According to their own financials they are spending
$1,000,000 more each week than they are taking
in.

It is much easier to blame the Jews than their own
moral and religous malfeasance. Perhaps they
believe the Saudis will bail them out. God knows
their own membership won't.

38 selpaw  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 5:55:32pm

36 zulubaby
OMG, I gasped when I read it! Lets get real, if anything there is an international chorus that Israel is truly a pariah. There is most certainly not a softening but a deeper harshness; an in your face out in the open matter- of - factness when it comes to disdain of Israel. The worst of it we have not yet seen.

BTW: In a move of unmitigated chutzpah, the BBC is preparing a movie on Sharon to be aired AFTER HIS DEATH.

39 zulubaby  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 5:59:09pm

selpaw,

The network is at the final stages of editing the program, which was decided upon out of concern the PM would be assassinated.

Concern? No, more like desire. I can't stand it.

A film crew arrived in Israel several weeks ago, and interviewed a large number of people including Uri Avneri, Jibril Rajoub and Maj. Gen. Avraham Adan.

Can you imagine? I'm sure they'll have Fisk narrate.

40 selpaw  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 6:04:12pm

37 pragmatist
Well for certain, they have friends everywhere. They had a nice little visit in Syria. Go figure, hah? While there they found the time to make a little announcement.

calling on Israel to end its occupation of Palestinian territories and said Monday that his church is studying the possibility of withholding investments to increase pressure on Israel.


LOL! I bet they were given quite a warm welcome. Holy shit, they went to Lebanon and had tea with a commander of Hezbollah!

Every time I drive by the local Presbyterian church I have very evil thoughts.....

41 selpaw  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 6:13:04pm

39 zulubaby
F*cking assholes. I'm telling you, when I think of the BBC my thought process goes very primitive.

42 EddieP  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 6:16:10pm

Media Intifada over? Would that it were true!

43 piglet  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 6:24:48pm
adie 10/20/2004 06:51PM PST

#7 piglet, I suspect the real issue was lice.

No, that would not require making women both shave their heads and walk out in public with no shirt.

[Link: www.roebuckclasses.com...]


[Link: www.parkland.sd63.bc.ca:1084...]

In France, women accused of having associated with German soldiers had their heads shaved. Some of them had swastikas painted on their foreheads. Some were stripped naked and then paraded through the streets. In Denmark and Norway similar retributions against women occurred, with men able to mask their jealousy with patriotism and moral righteousness. In Denmark, several hundred young women were jailed whose only crime was consorting with young German soldiers.
44 zulubaby  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 6:40:14pm

selpaw, I wish I could go live on an island. I'm done with this shit, let the Jew-haters savage each other because in the end, they will.

45 mich-again  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 6:44:15pm

We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw

Thats what I think.

46 JAB  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 7:05:50pm

There are occasions when Robert Fisk is so lousy at fabricating facts, even Dan Rather wouldn't use them.
And those occasions are about every other paragraph.

47 Chrees  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 7:08:01pm

And here I thought The Sun found distasteful anything less than a C-cup on Page 3...

48 C-in-C House  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 8:01:49pm

Dear Zulubaby,

I've so enjoyed your passion, but I'm forced to remind you of over 5000 years of strength, courage and perseverance and a reliance on G-d of the Israeli's...formerly known as the Hebrews.

One of the reasons of much support from Evangelicals as well as the lone-voice-in-the desert types such as myself ( Catholic Zionist) is their understanding of the prophecies of Scripture.

Years ago, Pete Seeger sang to the Blacks "We Shall Overcome" but to many Jews the song is "Eretz Israel".

Recently, a new exodus has begun: 200 from France and 200 from the USA. Through all the horrific trials and persecutions, the Israeli's will, by-God's-grace, triumphs.

I believe this because I must go to Israel before I die and my dear Lord will indeed grant this favor to me, because He is kind and merciful.

Shalom

49 chevalier de st george  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 8:19:31pm

zulababy
do not despair
Sharon will live to a 110.
By that time the BBC will be extinct as will uri avnery and robert fisk.
Or we will all be under the UMMA and music and TV will ne banned

50 Loch Inkopf  Wed, Oct 20, 2004 11:35:04pm

I'd love to believe that the media is getting tired of Israel-bashing, but I honestly don't think it's true. I'm reminded of the immortal philosopher-beagle Snoopy who celebrated National Dog Week by declaring it had been a magnificent success, nobody had kicked him. (Sad sigh)

51 selpaw  Thu, Oct 21, 2004 3:32:14am

#44 zulubaby

let the Jew-haters savage each other

This I would love to live to see ; - ))

52 JAB  Thu, Oct 21, 2004 3:39:24am

#49 chevalier de st george

. . . will be extinct as will uri avnery and robert fisk

Fisk will come back . . . the undead journalist. He already stars in his own self-created horror movie.

53 AW  Thu, Oct 21, 2004 4:02:09am

#49 chevalier de st george

Sharon will live to a 110.

If Sharon lives to be 110 then Israel will be the size of a basketball court by the time he decides to retire from politics.

54 AW  Thu, Oct 21, 2004 4:09:41am

I was in UC Berkeley at the time when operation defensive shield took place. I was watching a hysterical pro-Palestinian parade pass by when a girl handed me a flier which described in detail how Israelis were killing hundreds of civilians with bulldozers (it's always the bulldozers, isn't it?) When I asked her whether she thought that the information on the flier was accurate, she just told me to go watch TV or open a newspaper. "It's all over the news." And she was right, this is what the media was reporting.

55 Robertsmith  Thu, Oct 21, 2004 6:09:43am

It is mind boggling to see what makes news in the Arab world.

Egyptian Labor Party Leader said he wants to bomb LA: [Link: www.memritv.org...]

56 lonely German  Thu, Oct 21, 2004 6:27:09am

Hey folks,

something only loosely - or perhaps not so loosely? - related to this thread's topic:

Today apppeared this week's issue of the leading German magazine Der Stern ('The Star'). Its cover marks a new low of the German Left's (= mainstream) anti-American propaganda, displaying a giant boot in the American national colors about to trample down on the logo of German car maker Opel, a subsidiary of GM. The Opel logo is made up of lots of small worker figures. (You can check it out at [Link: www.stern.de)....]

Background: Opel is in deep trouble, layoffs of up to 10k are being contemplated - and, predictably, for the German Left (= mainstream) it's all the American management's fault. It may even be to an extent, I don't know. But who cares about the facts anyway, even if a sorry German child gets the flu these days it will inevitably somehow be made into Americas fault.

Very sad to report this sorry state of affairs, as I am a German who loves his country and would like to see it make the right choices.

Can someone please also alert John Rosenthal of the Transatlantic Intelligencer of this fact? Tried to do it myself, but for some reason or other can't get the message transfered. His website is the appropriate location to take care of such matters.

And oh, by the way, why not shower Der Stern with angry mails and make them feel the heat?

G-d bless the brave American military men and women fighting against Islamic fascism around the globe.

57 WriterMom  Thu, Oct 21, 2004 9:33:30am

#56 lonely German

A few days ago, there was an item in the papers here in Canada that the German courts decided that your health system was not obligated to pay for breast reduction or breast augmentation surgery because there is no one standard for a breast.

It seems to me that when the level of discourse gets down to-can I get the state to fix my boobies-it's indicative of a lot of problems in the nanny-state. Not long ago, there was someone else who claimed that the state should be paying for either accomodations or flights to Florida for a pensioner. I can't remember the details of that story.

I think one of the 'root causes' of Germany's situation is complete and total over-reliance on state support from cradle to grave.

58 chevalier de st george  Thu, Oct 21, 2004 4:12:40pm

AW

and even a basket ball court will be too much for the arab islamofascists.

and yes Stephen king is about to sign robert fisk.

He will star as an Irishman yearning to be a Mehdi warrior like his hero Larry of arabia. He is rejected even though he shows he passionately hates the west.
Uri has a cameo part as a jewish dhimmy whose job it is to collect the jizya for the caliphate.
All the actors then become zombies who search for a big black rock somewhere in the dessert.
When they finally reach it, it suddenly is vapourised and they descend to hell.


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