Neato. Already got mine, I hope the Charlesdotting doesn't knuckle them under!

Thanks for posting it Charles... something we all need to see!

Thanks watching now.

If you are using Windows Media Player yiou can copy the file to your local drive: on the "File" menu, select "Save Media As ..." --- it will allow you to select the location to save it to and let you give it a name.

In case you lose your connection or you want to see it later.

I caught the link from a previous thread. Very powerful and moving.

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Barking Moonbat has an interesting 'Letter to the Editor' that is stated as being for public usage. I'll be using parts of it in MN.

[Link: www.barking-moonbat.com...]

Powerful video! I would like to see the video they want to show in response to Stolen Honor. How do you make John Kerry look good from his actions? It's beyond me.

Looking forward to this. . .

Thanks for links. It - is - DEVASTATING. Wish Sinclair showed this instead of their little docu. (Good moment in the Sinclair docu (The POW Story) - Nixon and Colson talking about how Kerry was a flip-flopping opportunist (yeah, even then, he was).

I linked to it as well at the top of my blog with a sticky topic so it stays there.

Of course, my blog link will crash the server - Charles has got nothing on me for click-thrus and visitors. ;)

So if it crashes the server, blame me and don't blame Charles. :)

How to Contact the FCC in support of Sinclair and Freedom of Speach...no doubt the moonbats are doing the same.

To Contact the Commissioners via E-mail

Chairman Michael K. Powell: Michael.Powell@fcc.gov
Commissioner Kathleen Q. Abernathy: Kathleen.Abernathy@fcc.gov
Commissioner Michael J. Copps: Michael.Copps@fcc.gov
Commissioner Kevin J. Martin: KJMWEB@fcc.gov
Commissioner Jonathan S. Adelstein: Jonathan.Adelstein@fcc.gov

or, just cut 'n paste into your email app:

Michael.Powell@fcc.gov; Kathleen.Abernathy@fcc.gov; Michael.Copps@fcc.gov; KJMWEB@fcc.gov; Jonathan.Adelstein@fcc.gov

dung.

[sorry for repost, but other thread getting waaay too long]

If anyone uses newsgroups, you can also find this in DIVX format in:

alt.binaries.movies.divx

I don't know when it expires, but it's there right NOW!

It's going to show damaged archive files when you unzip it, but it will extract fine if you don't close it out.

DIVX and excellent quality, much higher res. than the web viewing, and you can watch it on Windows Media Player or similar...

Is this a legal copy? I didn't see anything on the website stating that it's being distributed officially by the filmmaker, or with his permission. If it's above-board and legal, we can solve the site-crashing problem by posting it in several places...

I'm watching it too and posted a link on my site ... if you have a website, post the link!

And if you don't have a website, send it to your e-mail lists ... let's get the word out, folks.

Keep the link available through Monday, low res sux, but it's worse with dial up here at home, I can view it through dsl at work & propagate the link around the office, and JNJ subsidiaries

I think I heard on Hugh Hewitt's show, (being hosted by Northern Alliance guys today), that movie theaters could show it for free, as long as they got in touch and promised to show the whole thing, yadda yadda, something like that. Not that would cerainly help.

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I watched the Sinclair piece. I must say I am quite disappointed. It was dam near a puff piece for the Goose-slayer.

The comparison with Viet Nam and only interviews with people with evident anti-Iraq war sentiments with almost no one to rebut had me and my wife wondering why the hell sKerry's people objected to it.

It looks like ALL the MSM, inluding Fox TV (if not Fox News Channel) are full of lefty, liberal dimoKRAT moonbats!

Tarheel in Tennessee

It's definitely legal, ubi.

Producer says he wants "to be sure that every American who wants to see this film is allowed to do so," - Washington Times article

Thanks for the link, Charles. By far, the best posting yet! I only wish they would include the other half of the documentary.

#18 Tarheel

I watched the Sinclair piece. I must say I am quite disappointed. It was dam near a puff piece for the Goose-slayer.

I'd make that alleged goose-slayer. I counted four men and three geese. :)

Wow!! Now I must dust off an oath I still hold dear even after being out for 7 years.

I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.

I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to
resist.

If I am captured, I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.

If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will
obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me, and will back them up in every way.

When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give only name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.

I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.

will_not_back_down:

When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give only name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.

Wow. That's the oath you make that you honor even if you're a prisoner being tortured, that you won't make oral or written statements disloyal to your country and its allies or harmful to their cause.
Kerry did those things without requiring torture, with enthusiasm!

I'm going to send this to my democrack friends.

I'm glad I already paid for the high resolution version, less than 5 bucks, and I can view anytime and share anywhere I want.

I recommend buying it still :)

Mac, Linux, etc users: get VLC. That's all I'm sayin'.

Just finished watching it. Very effective, very reasoned. It should get a forum. Of course, pro-Kerry thugs will do all they can to prevent that.

Chas,

Lets's coalesce on election night. We'll be pop-ing the champaign ...one way or the other!

But be prepared for 2000 all over again. Why can't dead people just rest in peace?

A

Charles,

Instead of:

Stolen Honor (The Video Kerry Doesn?t Want You to See).

you should have:

"Stolen Honor (The Video Sinclair Doesn't Want to Show)."

# 28

I wonder why the LONG face?

Thanks for posting this Charles. No Sinclair available up here in the hills. I'm watching now...and now Kerry makes me sicker than ever.

On the Mark

I might suggest clicking on the Stolen Honor link, and paying the $4.99 for the pay-per-view version.

It seems a small price to pay, and considering the lefties make a killing with their versions of history (F911, remember?), perhaps we can, at least, help to support those who seek the truth.

Just a suggestion...

QUICK! MSNBC Scarborough Country! Lawrence O'Donnell is going ballistic BIGTIME!

John O'neill is on MSNBC with Lawrence O'Donnell and Pat Buchanan. Things are extremely heated! O' Donnell is scum

Sorry for the OT, but,

Just saw Lefty Odonnel go rabid against Swiftboat Vet Oneil on MSNBC.

Lefty can't refute a single thing, so he just SCREAMS LIAR at the top of his lungs.

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Lawrence O'Donnell has just gone off the deep end SCREAMING at John O'Neill over and over calling him liar, lying about everything in his book.

This is unbelievable - and will surely turn many, many undecideds to GWB!

that was a slam on msnbs!

I love it.

# 24 zev

As one of the POWs for truth said in the ad "We took torture to avoid saying what John Kerry gave the enemy for free"

Charles,

Thank you for making this link available. I've e-mailed it to my entire address book.

Sorry - in my shock I forgot to put that this is on Joe Scarborough on MSNBC. Followed by republican pollster Frank Luntz saying this has gone too far and is just crap (his words). For those of you who missed it - try to see the late feed - you won't believe your eyes and ears!

# 41 f

Well, I'll actually have to give Joe a coupel minutes tonight then ...

{J. O'Neil is one of my new heroes!}

will_not_back_down,

Thanks! While protecting American values -which happen to be my values- you're protecting mine as well. I'm from The Netherlands and I'm proud the Dutch are part of the coalition. I think a war against any dictator, whether his name is Adolf, Saddam, Mao, or Fidel is always right. All dictators are threaths to our way of live just because our way of live is to believe in liberty. Dictators are, by definition, against liberty.

I'm telling you this from left-wing, collectivist Europe. Believe me, most of us would love to be American citizens. No one is trying to flee from America. Whereas every American citizen is free to go to any place in the world and they don't. Living in Iran, North Korea, actually, the rest of the world, sucks.

People put their live at stake to get to America. They try to get there by boat. By gamling for Green Cards. By bribing people. By paying huge sums to people that promise to get them there.

The US just is the best country in the world and I think it will be for a long, long time.

Thank you for protecting the US as you are protecting me as well. The US gives me and the rest of the world an example of how to world could and should be. The US is the live vest of the rest of the world. Thanks!

Powerfull!!!

..I`m num..the memory of being spat at and cursed as a baby killer had faded..until the memory came rushing back..I was barely 18..and in GA..spring of 74..

Watched "Stolen Honor" by videofeed. Great. Going to get the DVD copy to show as often as possible for years to come, and well beyong the elections. It would be a good tool for the next Massachusetts election cycles.
Noteworthy in the film was traitor Kerry standing next to his blood-brother in crime, Ted Kennedy. So touching, but sooo revealing.

Rob_NC (#45)

..I`m num..the memory of being spat at and cursed as a baby killer had faded..until the memory came rushing back..I was barely 18..and in GA..spring of 74..

How awful :-(

Now I know why the Kerry people don't want anyone to see this. Devastating, just devastating. If he gets voted into office by the country, it will be like him crapping on Vietnam Vets all over again

#45 Rob_NC -

Sigh - what can I say.

Even in the 80s, when I was in ROTC in college, everywhere we went, people were rude and hateful to the guys. I ignored it, but it really hurt some people.

I wonder how a certain prof at U of Delaware is feeling, since he has so obviously failed to stop people from seeing the documentary.

I'm not an American. I served twenty-five years in the military and, after watching this video, cannot understand how any American who served his country could vote for this two-faced son-of-a-bitch.

Wow, sorry again for an OT

I just wrote MSNBC about O'donnel's freak out. I hope somebody can get a clip of this. It should become quite vintage someday. I watch a lot of news, but I've never seen a regular "contributor" on a show foam like this. He must be smoking crack.

Back on topic...

I've downloaded the "Stolen Honor" documentary (not the piece of garbage Sinclair scammed on viewers), and I'm going to watch it later.

If anyone is thinking of watching the Sinclair show, let me offer you a more interesting alternative.

I'm getting a haircut tomorrow morning, and the barber doesn't mind people watching him cut hair.

The reason that Kerry has run the campaign in a treasonous manner is because he is still the traitor that he was in 1971.

Kerry is still spitting on the military and the values of this country.

Thanks Charles! We're not getting the show here that we can find... Cox Cable in West Florida (lower Alabama).

BTW, I just saw the new Swiftboat Vets and POW ad on CBS (taped during Joan of Arcadia). It literally brought tears to my eyes, and I don't mean that in either a funny or mean way. It made me very sad that those men, and a Medal of Honor winner, to boot!!! felt they had to stand up and say those things about Kerry...

It makes me wonder how Kerry can stand to look at himself in the mirror. I would be ashamed to ever show my face anywhere near any decent person again.

In fact, I am sure a decent little essay could be written discussing the dearth of morals, ethics, honor, integrity, and general decency among the Senators Massachusetts sends to Congress, considering the similarities between their two currently serving "whited sepulchers."

What a sorry lot that bunch is...

SangerM

..58,000 gave their all..so he could disgrace them..really makes you wonder what the future holds..even when W wins.. look how many people follows Kerry`s views..

Church is a wonderful place to worship...allah.
[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

I just wrote mnsbc too and told them they probably sent a lot of undeciders to GWB

Lawrence O'Donnell is a left-wing hatchet man. You may remember the job that he tried to do on Schwarzenegger when he (Arnold) was running for governor. The male version of Arianna Huffington.

I haven't seen the Sinclair program. I haven't seen the msnbc program. I have seen Stolen Honor.
More importantly I have lived the nightmare. I was in Viet Nam between june of 1967 and September 1968. I was drafted to the Army. I served my country with honor.
No one I knew committed any war crimes. No one I know, knows of anyone who claims to know anyone with any knowledge of any war crimes.
John Kerry said we were all monsters, baby killers, rapist and murderers.
I remember being cursed by total strangers. I remember radical students blocking my way to classes in the community college. I remember John Kerry. I remember John Kerry. I remember John Kerry.
Get your free copy of Stolen Honor. Show it to everyone you can.
Don't thank me for my service. Set the record straight. Even the score. Show Stolen Honor.

And why on earth does Pat Buchanan, that xenophobic, homophobic, anti-Semitic, mysoginictic paleocon waste of space still get a platform? I mean, Buchanan, Savage ... what the hell is wrong with MSNBC?

#53 SangerM

It makes me wonder how Kerry can stand to look at himself in the mirror. I would be ashamed to ever show my face anywhere near any decent person again.

Psychopaths have no conscience. Like vampires, mirrors have no effect on them!

Tarheel in Tennessee

I had already sent in my absentee ballot for Bush because I am generally in agreement with his policies. I did not really have anything against Kerry, except the belief that his policies would pretty much sinke the economy and mess up our security in the name of keeping good relations with our "traditional allies" (on an aside, how many people in here know that French forces actually fought against the US during the North Africa campaign during WWII?).

Having seen this film, I am now absolutely anti-Kerry. I thought it was an embarassment to have a Clinton as my commander in chief, but I am totally vexed at the thought of having this treasonous son of a bitch deciding, or, probably more accurately, letting Kofi Anan decide, what is worth fighting for.

Thank you.. My wife will watch it in the morning.. This should be shown around the Nation...Everyone Must see the truth..

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#58 Allan Yackey

I know you don't want thanks, but I thank you anyhow.

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Michelle Malkin has blogged O'donnel's tirade.

24 zevariste

Yes, he broke his faith and honor by doing what he did. What sKerry did after his tour is what stands out more than what he did while there. He willing did for policital gain "I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause

He abused his free speech at the cost of Amerian lives just like we have now with the MSM. They carry the cost no the men/women of our armed forces. A divided house is a weak house easy to defeat.

43 Joep

Thanks for the very kind words and they are appreciated and noted. We(collectively of the "right") understand the implications of letting the evil of this world go unchecked and allowed to spread. Not standing our ground now will cost "the world" and Europe more to the point, all the money, lives and time of the past 60 years. I watched the wall come down from West Germany, dodged Scuds from Saddam the first time and have a father-in-law who server honorably 4 tours in Vietnam and I'm proud of him and what he did.

A good portion of America and some of Europe has failed to understand world history and what "we" have accomplished the past 60 years to keep this world from being ruled by dictators and theocracies. Now we have an enemy that will try and do whatever it takes to take down the only worlds superpower, to have us retreat, give into to their will, let their hate spread and acquire or topple country after country if they can.

I for one will_not_back_down.

$25 to the Swiftees...

Thanks, Lawrence O'Donnell!

Drawing and quartering was part of the penalty anciently ordained in England for treason. It is considered by many to be the epitome of "cruel and unusual" punishment and was reserved for traitors because treason was deemed more heinous than murder and other capital crimes.

Until 1870, the full punishment for the crime was that the culprit be:

Dragged on a hurdle to the place of execution
Hanged by the neck but not until he was dead
Disembowelled and his entrails burned before his eyes
Beheaded and his body divided into four parts (quartered).

Vietnam was a battle of good vs. evil. Good lost.
Never forget.
Thanks for the link.

i now have 3 films/documentaries that i must have when i can afford to buy them: Farenhype 9/11, Celsius 41.11 and Stolen Honor.

#65 will_not_back_down

Now we have an enemy that will try and do whatever it takes to take down the only worlds superpower, to have us retreat, give into to their will, let their hate spread and acquire or topple country after country if they can.

Are you referring to al-Quaeda or the Democrats?

John Kerry is a pathetic piece of shit, but the people who are voting for him are even more pathetic.

#58 Allan Yackey

You are a true American patriot. Thank you for your service!

In May of this year, Charles Colson wrote "A Higher Standard: The True Face of America's Military" (Commentary #040505), in which he discussed the behavior of the guards at Abu Grahib. More to the point, he contrasted and compared their behavior with that of the overwhelming majority of the Americans serving in today's military, and with that of Americans who served in the past. What follows is a shortened, lightly edited version of that commentary. To me it resonates with even more meaning if you replace the prison guards with Kerry, and the Americans of today's military with Vietnam vets.
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There are things we can't not know; the truth is written on all of our hearts. Those people had to know that they were doing wrong...and someone should have had the conscience and the courage to step out of the pack and put a stop to it. I know how the herd mentality works, and people do get sucked in, but this was over the top.

In his wonderful book NOT THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE: A BREVIARY OF SIN, Neal Plantinga makes the point that once we start to give in to sin there's a steady, creeping process by which we descend into greater corruption. It starts with little things, grows into bigger things, and eventually consumes our personality.

Nonetheless, the fact that we're all sinners, while it keeps us from being self-righteous, does not excuse the sinner, who needs to be tried and, if guilty, punished quickly. The world needs to see that American democracy defends human rights and decency and demands justice, even when we must punish our own. In this case, punishment needs to be swift, not only because of the severity of the crimes, but also because we must vindicate the reputation of America's military. Let's not allow our men and women in uniform to be tarred by bad apples.

Our armed forces have always been distinguished by a sense of decency and caring. The late historian Stephen Ambrose pointed out that throughout history, when armies entered villages, the people fled in panic. But when the American military enters a village, children run to meet them, viewing them as liberators and friends. And that's the American way, the way it's supposed to be.

There is a streak of decency in Americans. The reason is historic, rooted in the worldview of the founders of this country. It's our fidelity to the Declaration of Independence, which states our belief in the rights of all human beings -- the only document in the world like it. It's our commitment to freedom. And when I was in the Marines, this was drummed into our heads: We were to kill the enemy but always protect the innocent.

I've seen enough of America's finest this year in Iraq to realize that, on the whole, they still share those beliefs and commitments. Seeing their bravery, their professionalism, and idealism has restored my faith in this generation. These men and women live their lives and do their jobs according to a higher standard -- all the more reason why those who failed to meet that standard, those who gave in and let sin corrupt them, need to face justice.
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What Colson wrote above was no less true of the people I knew who served in Vietnam. The men I lived with and learned from where among the most decent I've ever known, if also quite melancholy at times. And I had a friend who wore, proudly, the Americal Division patch, even though sorry, stupid people used to call him a baby killer too! As it turned out, Colin Powell and Norma Schwarzkopf also wore that patch, and look at them!!

To me, Kerry a shameless harlot; that he has been able to become a viable candidate for President of the United States proves just as strongly as Bin Laden's existance that there is evil afoot in the world!

-SangerM

70 tankdemon

LOL. Well since you asked. A friend of my enemy is my enemy. The rhetoric and borderline "treasonous" statements from the DNC and surrogats are all recorded for the world to see. On Scarborough tonight there was out burst which probably alot of peole saw by some "political analyst" O'donnel(sp) yell " Dont let him talk". WTF is that about? If I could put my foot on that skinny pukes neck while he's face down he'd wish he was in Abu Grahib at that moment. Whew I feel better now.

Amazing. Simply amazing! Not insane rantings, twisted truths or unfounded opinion like the tripe that is spewed by Moore and his ilk. Rather an insightful, honest portrayal of the times by the people who were there. The facts speak for themselves, so unlike the history I was taught in school and by the media.

As a GenXer I have meet several vets and asked what they saw, did, and thought about the Vietnam war. The consensus has been the same. "Bullshit".

Let me clarify. My Step-Dad, served in country and never saw anything like close to the Kerry version of Nam. A friend witnessed horrific atrocities, committed by the vet-con and fought to protect the people of Vietnam. And several more people have said the crap you see on TV is exactly that. Crap. Many vets I have meet do not want to talk about Nam. I believe it is due to the broad, bloody brush that Kerry painted them with.

As for the format of Stolen Honor, I was surprised how "un-in-your-face" it was. The first 20 min were used to describe what it was like to be a POW. If this were a Lefty production they would have President Bush's worst photos popping up Evey few seconds. It won't do a lot for people who don't already understand that WE ARE AT WAR. It is too easy to think "biased" and dismiss few vets. The American public needs to have their Jerry Springer gene engaged before they pay attention. Com'on! Take off the gloves! They did.

I found myself comparing the torture of the POW's then, to the beheading of non-combatants now. Seems that now we are fighting a less civilized culture, in a non-traditional war, thirty years later. Even Kerry's self serving imagination and his big flowery words can't encapsulate the evil our present enemy is capable of. Kerry, if elected, will encourage and embolden our enemy. The battle against Islamofascists will be extended ten fold with Kerry as commander and chief.

To me (coming from someone on the Left coast who has voted D.) John F. Kerry could not have been a better choice as the terrorist's candidate. Hell, even crazy H. Dean was was a supporter of the second amendment.

Kerry's actions, words, and self serving distortions must to be exposed. Stolen Honor is just one piece in the puzzle.

I am going now to try to change one (sis) ill-informed mind. Hope you will too.

Splatter

#66 Dar ul Harb

I just followed your lead and donated to the SwiftVets. Unlike the LLL, I like taking action.

I'll also share your sentiment:

Thanks, Lawrence O'Donnell!

58 Allan Yackey

Thanks for your service and veterans before you and after you know the "truth" and stand with you now and forever.

#64 gabe
thanks for the link

Just sent the Swift Vets $100. They need $$ to get into Pennsylvania.

#63 has posted a link.

Give what you can. 'Tis a most excellent cause!

Tarheel in TN

#55 KVH - Wow. Jew hatred has no limits. I know nothing of the Presbyterian denomination, but it is disgusting. They're the equivalent of Hanoi Jane in the war on terror.

Back on topic, I too watched the video. It is a bit long and repetitive, it seems to have one idea demonstrated very well though, that Kerry's "war crime" statements about Vietnam damaged forever the veterans public image, it endangered the lives of the POW's, and exploited the war for political gains. Which we all know. Vietnam is a painful subject, and re-opening this wound for political gains -again - this time posing as a veteran, seeking recognition, shows Kerry's opportunism, lack of character, lack of shame, and lack of integrity.

I truly hope hope the American people can see the difference on November 2nd. It is like night and day.

Kerry was still serving in the reserves when he became an anti-war activist, the government could have done something to shut him up, why didn't they?

Kerry's FBI files reveal that even some of his his comrades from "Vietnam Veterans Against the War" thought him to be just a political opportunist.

#74 will_not_back_down

Yes! I would enjow seeing that!

PIMF
Would enjoy seeing that too!

Thanks for the link Charles. WA state was not showing it tonight.

How to say "Thank you" to a Vietnam vet. Link from Mudville Gazette post entitled "Welcome Home"

I just finished watching it. I really wish that they did show this whole thing on TV. It is very powerfull. I agree when they say Kerry spit on all soldiers when he lied during his testimony. My father was a Marine during WWII and the Koren Conflict.

I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR SOMEONE THAT SPIT ON MY DAD

If he were still alive when Kerry went to Sheboygan WI. He would have given him a piece of his mind. I will say at 84 years old it would have taken more than 1 person to hold him back.

Wow, that is damning.

Kerry really is a treansonous son of a bitch!

If life were fair, Kerry and Ted Kennedy would still be in prison.

Thanks Charles.

OT? This may be a repeat, but the 10/13 issue of the NY Sun discussed the mystery surrounding Kerry's Navy discharge

Followup analysis at BeldarBlog

Is there really a chance that our country could vote a traitor into the White House? Whiffs of "Manchurian Candidate" even come to mind!

#81

Kerry was still serving in the reserves when he became an anti-war activist, the government could have done something to shut him up, why didn't they?

Kerry was and still is Teddy Kennedy's protege and
his first wife was worth 300 million at the time.

Have to say, the start was a pretty quick, one-sided history of the Vietnam war, then a lot, read: too much, testimony about being a POW. It sucks, we know, and we're sorry you had to do it. I see what they were trying to do, but to compare Kerry to what they did at the beginning is kinda extreme.

By the way, the Jane Fonda part was rather lame. I don't see how this helps Bush or how it hurts Kerry. Its sub-'Girls Gone Wild' editing and poor concept make it seem like a hack job... or it is a hack job. Talk about not living up to the hype.

#63 Dar ul Harb

Thanks for posting the link and reminder. I just went and donated. Go donate, if you want to help Swift Boat Veterans for Truth expand their ads into more states. They're great ads, and now is the time to have them on-air as much as possible.

This documentary is so powerful.

There is nothing that can be said or done against it.

Nothing.

Kerry is exposed as the scum of the Earth. I am glad I have seen this. I now realize I had never been allowed to know the truth, because of a relentless campaign waged for three decades by traitors, the Old Media, and the left.

It doesn't matter whether one agrees or not with the strategic, tactical, or political objectives of the Vietnam War. All that matters is honour. Kerry has shown that he has none, and he will stop at nothing to steal it from those who do.

I am buying the DVD, so my future children and grand-children can watch it with me, when the time comes to tell them about the events of this present war.

#90. PB. It's a free country and the self confessed war criminal and traitor, John F. Kerry would like your vote. Surely you can rationalize your decision.

gymnast

PB is just a FFP

GAZE

#90 PB
Gee, PB, sorry it didn't have million buck special effects - just heartfelt testimony from heros who suffered for years and then got spit on by people like Kerry when they came home. I almost cried at the end (didn't, though).

Can't compare it with Girls Gone Wild, since I am not a drunk-college-girls-flashing-their-privates afficianado, but I'd dare say the content was a bit classier in this documentary.

93

Not really voting for Kerry, but I must say, if you need something like this, which shows pictures of flag-draped coffins while Kerry is talking, to put Bush over the top rather than realistic, solid arguments, I'm sorry.

I think talking about the Deulfer report, Iran's rebuke of Kerry's offer of nuclear material, the breaking up of the Pakistani proliferation ring, etc. are far better than going - "HERE IS A PICTURE OF KERRY WITH JANE FONDA!"

Its pretty weak to when the minute someone says Bush/Cheney doesn't need this all the sudden you get labeled a Kerry guy and capable of rationlizing anything.

#37

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Lawrence O'Donnell has just gone off the deep end SCREAMING at John O'Neill over and over calling him liar, lying about everything in his book.

This is unbelievable - and will surely turn many, many undecideds to GWB!

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I haven't read all the posts, so sorry if I repeat anything...but Lawrence O'Donnell yelled violently, with veins popping out of his neck, at John O'Neill - and at one point he yelled, "You're a creepy liar."

I got queasy just watching how he treated O'Neill - a veteran. It really upset me to watch this.

O'Donnell wouldn't let O'Neill speak he just kept yelling "Liar! Liar! Liar!" when O'Neill was trying to provide information.

And O'Donnell had his smirky, pretty-boy nerve of yelling "What'd you ever do to stop the war?"

Buchanan, the host, reminded O'Donnell it was Kennedy's war.

Woooh...it was ugly!

#93 gymnast

I didn't think it lived up to the hype either.. but you know how easy the LLL become hyper. I would like to have seen more but it was a TRUE documentary. It was almost too focused. Kerry's record needs to be truly exposed. This did not do it.

It is up to us to do the real work. Remember all the Kerry facts and tell a friend.

"Were John Kerry and other activists responsible for lengthening POW prison sentences? Did they result in POW deaths?"

Then another highlight of Kerry with Fonda. Also, the wives are great, unbiased sources to vouch for the credibility of their husbands.

All I'm saying is, BUSH DOESN'T NEED THIS.

#96 PB

I didn't take your comments like that. What gets me is that 60min would have put a better sound track to it.

#93, PB. Re-read your #90 and then read your rationalization in 93. I think my "Ornathologists field guide has a page on you someplace but sometimes the plumage on juveniles makes a positive ID a bit more difficult to pin down.

Dustyroadguy, what does FFP stand for? I'm not up on my blog acronyms.

PB:

GAZE

People, you got to see this if you haven't. It should be shown on every TV chanel before the election, from the CBS, the SPEED Channel to TeleMundo.

It would be a monsterous act of cosmic injustice if John Kerry were to be elected. He must be stopped. What he did was evil. Whether he was a dupe or not.

"They believe too much has been made about the hand that helped a soldier back onto a boat, and too little written about how one man drowned the hopes of thousands, dishonored their sacrifice, and robbed them of their heritage and place in history. They don't want a belated apology, they want JK to be finally accountable for the disgrace, the harm he inflicted on an entire generation of good soldiers."
"They didn't throw away their decorations or their honor."
Thats about half a million that served, and over 50,000 that gave their lives, that kerry smeared, and has no shame over. I don't care that it was 30 years ago.
What he did is unforgivable.

100

That was a bit of a smart ass comment, but it is nothing much different than labeling it a "puff piece" as it is above. I mean, surely there were plenty of great men caught up in Vietnam, but to act as if Kerry was THE source of a mischaracterization of troops then, or even a major cause for "the first written version of history" where for three decades theyve suffered "because of this man" who has "committed treason" to me smacks of inflammatory, partisan crap that Bush supporters should not really need or want. Also, the rips on 'Apocalypse Now' and 'Platoon' seem motivated more by an (understandable) obvious dislike of HOllywood than subtance.

Cattt

not a blog term, a military term

Forward Focus Point

#104, coastygirl. The number of Viet Nam vets is about 2.6 million.

#105 PB

Not "puff". Maybe, if I was ignorant of Kerry's record, this would be new and shocking to me. The only about "puff" about Stolen Honor is the smoke screen the LLL has shown to the public. Kill a goose anyone?

I served during this period in time although not in VN but many of my buddies did. This slime has no right to call himself an American. His discharge should have and may have been dishonorable, Jimmy Carter twisted the Navys arm to issue his honorable discharge. He disgraced his nation and the men who served before, during and since, all the men who served and died. Snakes crawl on their bellies but he is far lower than that. He was and is a traitor, and as such, should have faced a firing squad. He has no right to any elected office and will never be my President. He's not even worthy of being called a human being.

The defining Kerry phrase, that will be associated with him for as long he is alive (in my mind, anyway):

'reminiscent of Jin-Jiz Khan'

This was a contemptible comparison, as he either dosen't know fucking shit about the Mongol wars in Central Asia, or was willfully lying about what he said was 'widespread' behaviour by the US armed forces.

Oh, but wait, he's reporting for duty, isn't he?

Fuck John Kerry. I much prefer up-front antiwar leftist Jimmy Carter types to this two faced piece of shit.

#109 old fart 43

Ditto!!!

old fart

you may be old, however YOU are no fart...

thank you for your service

Maybe Bush doesn't need this, but plenty of people who were, like me, in diapers in the early 70's sure need to hear it. Like a friend of mine, who said a few months ago, "oh, maybe I'll vote for that New Guy, John Kerry!"
and then I informed him just what kind of guy JK really is. The kind of guy who was shredding evidence of alive POW's as recently as 1994 in order to normalize "trade relations" (read: help his buddies stateside make money.
I think there are plenty of voters who should see what JK really did, not his "sugar-coated" and "heroic" version of it.

I am going to show Stolen Honor to two Wobbles this weekend. Hopefully with the other info I have collected they will see that Kerry will do serious damage to our Nation if elected. This is not the silver bullet. Some people are too far gone but the truth will always show itself.

Or maybe I can get them to vote Nader again...LOL

113

But you know what kind of guy he is right now, and he tells you his positions, so you know what kind of guy he WILL BE, and that's what you're voting for. This is a few vetrans basically making the assertion that Kerry ruined a would-be pristine reputation of vets for 30 years, elongated POW time, lead to POW deaths (all with pictures of coffins going across the screen) not to mention a picture of him with *gasp* Jane Fonda, who BTW has publicly apologized and said she doesn't/didn't know shit then. That does not tell a good story about how he was. Just point to the company he keeps, the ticket he put together, the things he plans to do, and you'll present a good picture. If that doesn't work, going to this kinda thing will just push as many undecideds away as pull them in.

#107 Gymnast,
Wow. 2.6 Million. People. Sorry about that.
I may have mentioned this before, but I asked my Mom recently why there was no complaints in the 80's as we were doing the "Jane Fonda Workout" and she said that we were trying to put Vietnam in the past. And now the Vets of that generation are stepping up again to tell the truth, when they could just as well go on with their lives, and I appreciate it.

#116 PB

and he tells you his positions

LMFAO...

Another source of information about Kerry's Navy record is
w ww.judicialwatch.org/3848.shtml, Judicial Watch FOIA re: Kerry (can't get Link function to work correctly!)

I may have missed them, but I don't seem to have seen m/any posts about Judicial Watch. I believe many of the LGF members would approve of many Judicial Watch legal activities.

Using the [Link: www.judicialwatch.org...] "Search" button with "Kerry" indicates a multitude of legal issues in relation to John Kerry, including links to copies of documentation in many instances.

#63

$250 from me to them, proving that not all 24 year old Californians are on the left. :)

# 116

Kerry never did apologize, and despite all his flip-flops, a leopard never changes its spots. While I agree that this is no basis for basing an argument, it does provide a decent starting point to go over his record of anti-defense, borderline anti-American life he has led, and will continue to follow.

116

"Just point to the company he keeps"

As in those who endorse John Kerry?

Facing our Madrid

This is the very first time I have seen anyone else connect the increase in violence in Iraq *as* the "attack against us" to influence our election.

I believe there is a parallel to the POW stories from Vietnam during the protests to change that election, where the POWs said as soon as Nixon was reelected, their conditions improved.

I find Kerry doing *exactly* the same harm to our country, a second time.

I considered Kerry and Jane Fonda traitors back then and I believe Kerry is aiding and abetting the enemy every bit as much now.

If Bush is reelected (and there is no successful assassination attempt ala Clancy novel), I suspect Iraq will stabilize fairly quickly.

The media is also aiding the enemy by not showing the many things positive in Iraq that are available online (e.g. [Link: www.thetruthaboutiraq.org...]

I now consider all of the major media to be nothing but tabloid reporting ("murder, muggings, mayhem, and rape").

Regardless of the election results, the major media have destroyed their credibility. Who needs print or TV media access anymore, given the instantaneous "BS checks" online?

PB,

I know you don't get it. For the record I voted against Kerry in the Primaries for this reason. This was well before I ever heard of the swift boat guys.

The simple lesson I learned from my dad (a vet) was that during war time it was okay to protest the war, blame the government for whatever... just leave the soldiers out of it.

122

You're right. They're not the same, but from the senior senator from Mass. to Arafat there are more than enough current things wrong with Kerry to alleviate the need for this sort of stuff.

#123 OlderNWiser
You are so correct. I always say we must be right because evil seeks us out and tries to destroy us. Good post.

In 1964 I was 14 and met an 18 year old boy who was headed to Viet Nam. We wrote back and forth for 5 years, and he was discharged from the service in 1969. I saw him once at my parents' house after he got home. He freaked us out. All he could talk about was how much fun it had been killing people, offering graphic descriptions. He wouldn't let us change the subject. He wanted to date me and I turned him down. I realize now that he had become mentally ill, but when I heard of the atrocities of My Lai and those described by John Kerry, I assumed they were true because of what the one soldier I had known best had said. I'm sure my parents believed it all as well because of what our acquaintance had said. I think I was against the VN War more because of what it had done to him than for any other reason. I have often wondered what kind of person he is today.

What kind of person will JK be/ He hasn't given me any reason to vote for him.
He doesn't seem to be the kind of person who would, today, do anything to keep this country safe. Just a bunch of fancy sounding mish-mash and pretty promises.
How KERRY ignored terror warnings an exerpt:
"Former FAA security officials say the Massachusetts senator had the power to prevent at least the Boston hijackings and save the World Trade Center and thousands of lives, yet he failed to take effective action after they gave him a prophetic warning that his state's main airport was vulnerable to multiple hijackings"
"The next day, Sullivan fired off a two-page letter to Kerry highlighting the systemic failures." "Sullivan followed up by having the undercover videotape hand-delivered to Kerry's office. "

"At that point, Steve Elson, the other agent who'd teamed up on the TV sting, decided to take a crack at the junior senator "
"But a Kerry aide said not to bother. "You're not a constituent," Elson was told just a few weeks before the hijackings. He went ballistic, warning that if Kerry didn't act soon he'd risk the lives of planeloads of his actual constituents. That warning now looks like prophecy: At least 82 Kerry constituents were murdered aboard American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175.

124

What don't I get? That Vietnam should somehow tell me not to vote for Kerry, at least it should be a make or break thing as opposed to, say, opposition to school vouchers, pandering to the NAACP, etc.?

Maybe you're right, I don't get it. But I think the respective platforms should determine who you vote for, not how angry some hit piece makes you feel.

#96 PB

PB, how many years did you serve in the Military? And what was the outfit you were assigned to?

130

WTF should does that matter?

130

Happens to be I have a terrible knee. However, my grandpa was in WW2, my dad enlisted, my uncle enlisted + a JAG later, and my brother a marine about to be sent to Iraq. Don't really need you to pull that BS.

Jane Fonda had a little bit more of a role back
then than most know about. Besides bankrolling
the Detroit "Hearings" she was heavily involved in
FTA.
First it was a show put on near the bases with Fonda and Donald Sutherland, ect. In the show, by the way, FTA means Fuck The Army, troops were encouraged to shoot their CO's in back while out on manuevers in Vietnam, or desert.

Not content to have just live performances they also made a film, FTA, which is still circulating overseas.
It is listed on Film Database Websites. They also
made a film called The Winter Soldier, a documentary
made up of their exploits during the VVAW's Dewey
Canyon II, ect. which is where Kerry gave his
"testimony" and threw his "medals" over the wall.
The Winter Soldier Documentary won awards at
Cannes. Sound familiar?

PB

I will not tell you not to vote for Kerry. Nor do I tell anyone else not to vote for him. If someone asks why I won't, I tell them, they say it was so long ago. Then they tear down Bush. Keep in mind I never said I was voting for him.

So what is fustrating for me is that some people do not understand why I won't vote for him. My co-worker supports Kerry but at least he understands my perspective.

Did anyone see the Sinclair program tonight? What a shame... it was totally skewed to Kerry...

129 PB

"What don't I get? That Vietnam should somehow tell me not to vote for Kerry, at least it should be a make or break thing as opposed to, say, opposition to school vouchers, pandering to the NAACP, etc.?"

How can our enlisted men and women be expected to report to a traitor as Commander-in-Chief?

That Kerry made it to Democratic nominee is inexplicable (except for the fact that Hillary can run in 2008 when he loses).

132 PB
You can vote for who ever you want for what ever reason you want. If your mind is made up, no one is trying to change it. But your not going to change any minds over on this site either - your wasting time and space. It would be better if you just kept your opinion to yourself and find a site that agrees with you, I'm sure those two people could use the company.

136

But they reported to a draft-dodger for 8 years and that did not kill the millitary. Shouldn't what happened back then be less important than its being made by this piece?

133 SisterLeoMarie

The Internet is amazing. The Winter Soldier hearings were appalling.

WinterSoldier.com video/audio links

PB,

Do you ever wonder what would have happened if that draft dodger "cleaned house" after the 1st world trade center attack? I do.

137

WTF? Really, I already have more than made it clear I intend to vote for Bush. But I think there are more than 2 people on this very site that would think this show did not live up to the hype, was rather skewed, and does nothing to help Bush with people that are on the fence that care, say, about the economy, the war, the FMA or whatever.

As you said (in speaking for everyone, but just to address you) I won't change your mind. I don't know what I would change it to (vote for Bush MORE?), but for a second don't you think that maybe, just maybe, you had your mind made up to like this show which is so easy to pick apart as dramatic propaganda? Besides, who wants to convince old farts?

#140 Motorcycle Mom
Whoo Hoo Hot damn that was good.
Bhahahahahahaha

#131 PB

Just what I thought.

140

Good point but not what I was getting at. The statement was made that how can we make our soldiers report to traitors. I noted that Clinton was a draft dodger yet our millitary can still serve and function just fine. Did Clinton's policy make the WTC attack more likely? Maybe, but it did not in any way really detract from our millitary's ability to function. If anything, when you look at our capabilities during the two Gulf Wars, the armed forces are stronger than ever. I am doubtful that Kerry's testimony will change that continued improvement.

#141 PB
Hell, I had my mind made up about that looser 35 years ago. I didn't have to see any doc. on it I saw the real show first had every day on the news. He was a big mouth then and things haven't changed. And don't worry son because your not likely to convince me of much of anything. I think I probably know more about the topic than you do.

141 PB

I didn't have access in the Chicago area to see the apparently watered-down Sinclair broadcast (I'm an irrelevant voter, because I'm not in a swing state!)

Please use the link to the free version, or the $4.99 pay-per-view version, of the actual Stolen Honor documentary.

Even the New York Times recommended that everyone see it.

"I think I probably know more about the topic than you do."

You're not showing it. Anyhow, later, the point has been made. Propaganda.

#132 PB

The only BS I see is coming out of you mouth.

PB,
I don't think any one issue is a make or break issue, at least not for me. It's a combination of LOTs of issues. Not trying to pick on you here, OR tell you who to vote for.
If someone called my Dad or husband a war criminal, and then later tried to paint himself as a hero, without ever apologizing, I'd be pretty pissed.
You're right to say to look at him now, and you make some good points. But EVERYTHING about Kerry makes me cringe, and I do try to listen to him. He seems to pander to everyone, but seems so insincere. And Snobby. I guess we shouldn't vote with our feelings, but I get the impression that he doesn't value the lives of the common folks (or those of soldiers.)
Anyway not to pick on you. I usually avoid debates but you're more polite than most who disagree and I appreciate THAT.

#138 PB

Have you ever studied Military History?

139 OlderNWiser

Ooooh, whatta GREAT link. What goodies. THANKS!

PB,

I know what you were getting at. I already said this. My dad was a vet, Kerry insulted him. You may call this shallow, but for me it is personal. For other people it is because they consider him a traitor. Yet others it is the fear that he will get the UN involved in our affairs and so on. So please don't lump us together.

As for if Clintons policy made the 2nd attack more likely, we will never know. Who knows since he did not strike back hard, they wanted to test the next pres, no matter if it was Bush/Gore, to see if they would get the same lame response.

If Kerry does win I do not believe it will affect the millitary's ability to function. It may affect enlistment. Just as long as he does not push his plan for a draft, I mean mandatory community service.

144 PB

"I noted that Clinton was a draft dodger yet our millitary can still serve and function just fine."

Many in the 60's avoided the draft in any way they could. That is drastically different than aiding and abetting the enemy.

My interpretation of the evidence of Kerry's "awards" online is that Kerry played the system every bit as much as others in order to only serve in Vietnam for 4 months.

#141 PB

"you had your mind made up to like this show which is so easy to pick apart as dramatic propaganda?"

I happen to be a Vietnam Veteran who was there. Now you tell me which part of the film was propaganda.

So let's just toss out what a bunch of old POW's
and their wives have to say about how Kerry's
actions affected them. After all, historians know
better than the ones who actually experienced it.
Or the pundits.

So today, John Kerry has a plan to add 40,000
more troops. What will he do if he doesn't get
anywhere near that number? Bribe them in?
Nope, it will be the draft. Clinton said no new
taxes in 1992 then passed the largest retroactive
tax hike in history.

John Kerry has a plan on his website for what
he calls his "National Service." Read it. He
wants to have at least 25,000 high school graduates
work in HOMELAND SECURITY for two years then
give them, 2,000 a year in tuiton money. 2,000
is chump change for college these days.

Kerry wants a "real" coalition in Iraq. Two of those
countries he wants have said "no way" even if
Kerry gets elected. In twenty years in the Senate
John Kerry has written and passed only FIVE
BILLS. Look them up. If you are a dolphin you
will be glad Kerry will be our leader.

Kerry does not believe the war in Iraq is the real
war on terror. The man responsible for all the
beheadings is from Jordan who lives in Iraq.
He is one of many terrorists from foreign countries
holed up in Iraq. John Kerry has not visited Iraq
since the war began. He relies on the UN, an
organization with serious issues of millions in kickbacks
from the Oil For Food Program. France and Germany
both prominent participants in the scam.

John Kerry wants a Grand Summit to help stabilize the
Middle East with Jimmy Carter as his special envoy.
Jimmy Carter left members of the US Embassy
as hostages in Iran for over a year while he was
President. Reagan got them out 18 days after he
was elected.

John Kerry does not have record of any kind of
leadership during his twenty years as Senator.
He is a Master Debator, but terrorists unfortunately
are not receptive to debating away their plans to
eliminate us infidels.

Well, all you people pointing out that the POWs took torture to avoid saying what John Kerry said freely just need to remember that the oath specifies to resist to the "utmost of my ability" and some people are just "differently abled" donchya know? Some guys took months of heinous torture, others lasted years. Why I bet little Johnny agonized for at least 30, maybe as many as 45 seconds resisting "to the utmost of his ability" the irresistable force of his own craven ambition...

cathy :-)

I did not go to Vietnam but I remember on TV the sons of bitchies spitting and calling our men baby killers.

I made up my mind that if I saw any asshole doing the same to any soldier I was going to beat the dog turds out of them.

Last year while at the Joplin air show there was this little fat prick slapping his gums. No I did not but it was close VERY close he said he was very sorry to our soldiers for not thinking because he was slapping his gums.

By the way I was on SSBN-657 Gold Crew and AS-33

The "Ornithologists Field Guide", under the section "adolescents and others". The pimple butt shitbird (PB), comoflages itself by bellycrawling in the mud while making false crys, attempts to lure stupid birds to join it. Sub species of Kerryitus analitus (mud crawling scum sucking pimple assed sapsucker). Considered a nusince species and only useful as poor quality substitute stuffing in seat covers in Yugo automobiles.

#154 Blackhorse
I don't think he's with us any longer and don't think he saw the show Stolen Honor, I think he saw the Sinclar show which I did not see. The Sinclar show has not been released in this area. What years were you in?

Goodnite all. I am new to LGF and I am glad I found it.

The funny thing is that if Kerry did not win the nomination I would have never found it.

LGF is becoming my main news source now.

In the end, I am a security mom and I want my kids to be safe so my vote will have to go to Bush.

PS, the Eagle ad the DNC has out, When I 1st saw it I thought it was a good RNC ad. I just can't picture Kerry as an Eagle.

#159 Old Fart 43

Thanks for your post. I was with the Army's 11th ACR in Vietnam 1971-72.

PB could not answer my questions. And I knew it.

blackhorse

door gunner judging from your posts...

/;>O

#162 dustyroadguy

Close, helicopter crew chief on UH-1H.

#162 dustyroadguy

When I was not on helicopter missions I was pulling perimeter guard. I always said it was my secondary MOS.

160 motorcycle mom

...I just can't picture Kerry as an Eagle

motorcycle mom I'm with you and Kerry is not as useful as a vulture

Blackhorse

crew'em, fly'em, fix'em, protect'em...not much sleep

Thank You for your Service...

skerry is a pompus, treaterous, POS who forfieted his honor and is unworthy to be CIC.

/JMHO DRG

SST & motor... mom

a turkey works better (visulize turkey here)...they don't fly well

Heroes vs. "heroes":

When Kerry has the gall to hold himself out as being a Vietnam war hero and then I watch the MSNBC biography on McCain or I listen to the testimony of the POWs or I read Oliver North rejecting his last 3 Purple Hearts to stay with his men, Kerry has to be delusional to believe he is in the same league.

#166 dustyroadguy

Thank you for your support. You are absolutely right about Kerry.

Good Night LGF

I hate to actually agree with something that PB sort of said, but I kinda partially agree with a little of it. One of the huge problems with campaign finance "reform" is that it has put all of these groups out there (moveOn, swifties) who are working against a candidate without being under the control of the other candidate, and they are advancing their own agenda. I respect vets who are personally angered and offended by what this bastard personally did to them 33 years ago. But on the other hand I personally am far more offended by what Kerry has done in recent times. While I don't expect anyone else to forgive 33-year-old sins, I probably could forgive Kerry's 33-year-old lies. But what I cannot forgive is the lies that Kerry tells today, Oct 23, 2004, about what he did 33 years ago.

And that is my only point here -- I think that for people my age and younger (I'm 41) who had little adult personal contact with the war at the time, that it is more reasonable to argue against John Kerry because today he is unashamed of his shameful behaviour, as opposed to hammering upon the shamefulness that he exhibited 33 years ago. And the problem with the way that campaign finance "reform" has delegated campaigning to enthusiastic amateurs is that they see things through there own particular perspective.

While I certainly respect those who are making only the argument that Kerry's lies 33 years ago are unforgivable, I think it is a far more powerful an argument to point out that Kerry's lies today, yesterday, last week, last month, last year, about what happened 33 years ago are a much more compelling reason to reject him. Look, Kerry is the one who made Vietnam the centerpiece of his campaign, and he, of his own free will, has spouted lie after lie about it in recent months. Zeroing in on those lies is far more strategic than the lies of 33 years ago.

cathy :-)

PB, 144: "The statement was made that how can we make our soldiers report to traitors."

Right. I expect some soldiers might have a problem with it. Doesn't that seem reasonable?

"I noted that Clinton was a draft dodger yet our millitary can still serve and function just fine."

First, this ignores completely the fact that a draft dodger is hardly in the same league as John Kerry, and second, that would depend on what the meaning of "just fine" is, is.

I don't have exact numbers for you, but I think a very substantial part of the military were barely able to choke back their vomit during the Clinton years. I can't say I blame them, either. Among a plethora of other offenses, 19 good Americans died in Somalia, precisely because Clinton wouldn't allow tanks and AC-130 gunships, because that would have been too aggresive and high-profile. Yeah-- men died because letting them use the weapons they needed would have messed up Clinton's public image triangulating. Oh well! Sorry guys!

Ya think the survivors felt "just fine"? Hmm?

"Did Clinton's policy make the WTC attack more likely? Maybe..."

The answer is absolutely. "Maybe" my ass. Ignoring for the moment that Osama was OFFERED to Clinton more than once, (and yes, on one of those exact days, you'll never guess where he was, or should I say, where Monica was), the precedent of non-retaliation was absolutely being established, and that absolutely emboldens the terrorists. It's not rocket science, really.

Furthermore, and more specifically, Osama's underlings were not as gung ho about the 9/11 plan as Osama was-- they were fearful what it would be too dramatic, and would rouse the U.S. to retaliatory action. (Remember that the original plan involved many more targets, as well). Osama overruled them, assuring them that the U.S. didn't have the will. Why did he think that? Based on the our response to earlier attacks, DUH. Who was it, btw, who trained Somalians to target the rear rotor of helicopters? Hint: his initials are, (well, probably "were"), O.B.L.

"If anything, when you look at our capabilities during the two Gulf Wars, the armed forces are stronger than ever."

Um. Yeah-- the U.S. military can wipe out the military of Iraq. Was that ever a serious question, other than in the leftist media? Please, dude.

Good night, LGF.

For me, the issue has always been Kerry's character, or rather, lack of same. Whatever aspect of his life you examine, you find evidence that he is lacking in the character department (and I am being charitable).

If Kerry thought being ashamed of his behavior years ago would help him, trust me, he'd be ashamed right away.

Kerry should be in prison in Levenworth. I've known this for alongtime, and it is good to see the POWS on film saying Kerry should be accountable.

Stolen Honor was downloaded during the DU Hockey game, DU won 5-2.

I pray that Kerry will not win, for if he wins we all lose.

I watched the video and saw nothing I really had not already heard or read however, with this all being said by the people it actually happened to it had a punch that no amount of hollywood hype could muster. To hear these patriots talk and be barely able to resist calling skerry the scum sucking bastard he is was a remarkable act of restraint and it REALLY shows their class. These men are all class acts and frankly all Vietnam vets deserved better.

I have a friend that was a swiftie and he has told me about some of his experiences but says he cannot talk about it very much because he has put up a wall to keep the emotional stability he needs. I have offered myself as a sounding board and have told him I am there for him if he just wants to talk. It is the absolute least I can do and I am glad to be of service. The fact that our vets have to do this because some of them are still ashamed and hurt terribly by this ass really galls me.

"Joe" (not his real name) is grateful and I think he will eventually unload the grief and if that will help him to deal with it I will feel I have done him a service. I only would ask that more people would come out and be truly thankful to our Vietnam vets and not just with lip service. They gave the ultimate sacrifice in many cases and to have their memory spat upon is just the greatest wrong that mankind can do.

All that is really left after we die is memories and to have them sullied by skerry and his ilk makes my heart hurt and I get all choked up and wish I could only do more. I am not rich but have given to Swiftvets.com and I strongly urge you to do so too. If this traitor gets elected the country will rue the day they ever listened to his bullshit and paid it any heed.

skerry really hurt him and all VN vets by his out and out lies, distortions and half-truths. He should be ashamed of himself but, that is not in his character. The horse-faced pompous ass will never truly be sorry because I think he actually might believe his own bs. I think he might have convinced himself it is truth and this is the truly scary thing.

I live in Rhode Island so my vote is a gesture however, for the first time my wife will NOT cancel out my vote. She was raised in a Teamsters household and always voted dhimmie - no rhyme or reason but she cannot abide the lies and terrible things skerry has done and she has seen what this has done to our friend and it hurts her too. I love, respect and honor our veterans and I am proud to have them as my friends and I would trust them with the lives of my wife and children because they EARNED that trust. skerry on the other hand has not and will be destined for the asheap of posterity.

Thank you for linking Stolen Honor video. This is a lesson in good triumphing over evil. I see that Power Line has it listed too for the same reason, due to Sinclair Broadcasting dropping the ball. Please keep the link open through the election so the nation can have time to find it and pass it around. This might turn out to be a very historical moment in time where a nation awakens to the fact of who almost took over as the most powerful man on earth.

Tonight, looking back I think of the scripture 'What man meant for evil God has meant for good...' I think LGF and other sites have placed themselves where destiny has made a place for them. Thank you again LGF!

The stench of betraying your comrades never leaves a man.

PB
WTF does that matter? Happens to be I have a terrible knee. However, my grandpa was in WW2, my dad enlisted, my uncle enlisted + a JAG later, and my brother a marine about to be sent to Iraq. Don't really need you to pull that BS.
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Lame answers, really.

Frankly, it doesn't matter if everyone you know--and your little dog, too--served in the military. If you haven't, then you know as much about the military as a virgin knows about screwing. You have the equipment, you have an idea how it works, you sorta-kinda wanna do it, and you think about it a lot, but you still don't really know what it feels like.

Not having served is not a bad thing--we live in a different world than I grew up in. On the other hand, the credence I give to another person's opinion about government, the world, the military, etc--and the amount of time I am willing to listen to that person--is absolutely tempered by whether or not he or she ever served in any public, federal, or military service. Hell, I even count the Peace Corps because that's people putting themselves where their mouths are.

So, while I understand bad body parts, that's really not relevant. The answer to the question is: I never served in the military, but I did do...__ (fill in the blank with Peace Corps, AmeriCorps, Big Brothers, hell even Candy Striping would be something). And if you've never done squat worth mentioning than you are either too young or too lazy to have an opinion that matters.

But even if your opinion does matter, you missed the point of the Stolen Honor piece, and the point of the SwiftBoat Vets and POW ads. And you are wrong. They do have value for Bush.

1) Bush may not have needed this, but most people who care about platforms and issues have ALREADY decided who to vote for. Some people may have to take a bit longer, but thinking people have already thought--and decided (except maybe the few who couldn't decide to run from a burning building until their hair caught fire). No this was for people who hadn't decided AND for people who may not have known these things about Kerry.

2) These accusations DO matter. They establish firmly that Kerry has been a manipulative scumball for 30 years. The past informs the future, and Kerry's past more than his present will tell you what you really need to know about how he'll act if elected. Aside from the fact that he was a traitor, an oathbreaker, a liar, and a shameless media whore, he was also a wolf in sheep's clothing. He was masquerading as a man of honor, integrity, duty, and decency which are understood by people who have served to be the basic trait-package for an Officer. His actions in Vietnam and after reveal him as a phony and a person who cannot be trusted.

3) The Swiftboat Vets and POWs are not stupid people, and more important, they are neither dupes nor sops. One of those men is wearing the Medal of Honor, and for that alone I would do what he asked if he walked in here right now, but more to the point, some of those men were POWs, and beyond even what comes with a Medal of Honor, they deserve mine AND YOUR respect.

4) But here's the kicker: They deserve the right to say what they are saying, and they are right for saying it now. It never mattered before, when Kerry was one of 100, or if it did matter, there was not much that could be done about him. Now however, he wants to be the man who makes life & death decisions that affect not only the people in the military but every American. How galling it must be for those men to contemplate the possibility that the man who betrayed them before will once again be in a position to do so!

Basically, Fonda was a stupid ignorant commie dupe, but she was never a military officer, she never consorted with the enemy while serving her country, and she never lied under oath about atrocities that never happened. Kerry was a US Naval officer and he is held to a higher standard, even 30 years later, at least by people who have served and who understand why that matters.

-SangeM

Amazingly powerful.

"Strategically and politically, the situation in Iraq is worse than it ever was in Vietnam", former US abmassador to UN - Richard Holbrooke, 14 September, 2004

It's Clinton all over again.

Washington — If he wins the White House, John Kerry will immediately confront a difficult, divisive and deeply personal decision: which close friend will he have to stiff for secretary of state?
Kerry, who would name a national security team a few weeks after the election, is said by campaign sources to be under a fair amount of pressure to pick Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., or Richard Holbrooke to help repair global alliances and attract new allies to assist in Iraq...

...This is only one of the major staffing decisions Kerry will face if he wins on Nov. 2. For a man who has never run anything larger than a district attorney's office, he would quickly name a national security team so it could hit the ground running in January...

"Strategically and politically, the situation in Iraq is worse than it ever was in Vietnam", former US abmassador to UN - Richard Holbrooke, 14 September, 2004

If it is, it's for the same reason. We're fighting the war with one hand tied behind our back because of political correctness. You can thank Holbrooke's boss John Kerry for that -- then and now.

I joined then Navy in July 1969 when I was 17 years old. I was from a very rural area and really had not been exposed to anything. After going through boot camp in San Diego I was stationed there for school. I remember an incident when several of us were walking on the side walk (we were wearing our uniforms) when a school bus passed, the students rolled down their windows and spit at us yelling baby killers.

While this was prior to John Kerry's testimony, it clearly shows how the MSM (Walter Kronkite) and the antiwar activists, most of whom were from affluent families like John Kerry, had poisioned the minds of so many of the youth of that time.

When John Kerry came back and joined in with the antiwar movement he did give aid and comfort to the ememy and increased the POW's misery. I also believe that he did this for his own political image, if the war had been popular at that time he would have been pro war, but he was looking at beginning his politcal career in the leftist state of Massachusetts.

The man has no shame, he is a sociopath.

#63 Thanks for the link, just popped another $100.00 to the Swiftees/POW's. Thank you for your Service, all Vietnam Vets, and all other Vets. You are the reason the rest of us enjoy in America, the things we enjoy,.

If no one has heard of the O'Donnell meltdown last night on MSNBC while screaming "Liar, Liar" at John O'Neill, you can hear the whole episode at
[Link: www2.swiftvets.com...]
It is AWESOME!
Guest host Pat Buchanan was unable to control O'Donnell. He used the word "liar", 46 times. I missed the show but the audio on the Swift Vets site is just hilarious.
You got to hear it.

Last week, O'Donnell said that G-d created Iraqis to be slaves to Saddam and we were wrong in overthrowing him.

I just sent this email to Sinclair's comment page at [Link: sbgweb2.sbgnet.com...] .

I was extremely disappointed in your showing last night about what you call a POW story.

A friend said to me "...They obviously were too easily intimidated by the Liberal Left, and the Documentary was mostly an Infomercial for Kerry. " I agree most whole heartedly -- you should be ashamed that it was little more than a puff piece for the Kerry campaign.

Another was even more disgusted with this piece. He said "...[They] showed more from Butlers film Going Up River, and left Butler's lie about the Winter Soldier meeting go unchallenged. Butler telling everyone that there were no imposters at the Winter Soldier meeting and there were no lies about the atrocities they saw. When it's a proven fact many of these jerks weren't even in Nam. They spent more time rehashing the Bush AWOL story, concluding since it was so long ago and many of the COs were dead, the public may never know the truth about whether Bush fulfilled his service to the guard.

You have made many, many people in 'fly-over country' quite upset with you for this was nothing but a concession to Kerry's sycophants and their lawsuits.

I suspect that you can count on a large drop in viewers for you stations. I know I will not be tuning in to a Sinclair station until you find the backbone which the DNC has stolen from you.

As to writing to the FCC in your behalf -- forgetaboutit. No one from the left is going to challenge your Kerry puff-piece.

Hey, CHECK THIS OUT!!!

Is this for real???

CBS had no reservations of airing forged documents and lies about our President. In fact, even when confronted with the truth, the media elite managed to "spin" the facts by saying, "it's not the documents, but what is contained in them is true".

Now, we have a compelling, truthful documentary about the criminal actions of a Presidential nominee, Kowards, which the American public deserves to see, and yet it can't be shown. Censorship at its best. A clear demonstration of the Stalinist proclivities of our media.

As Ann Coulter recounts the hypocrisy of the L3 in her latest book, "How to talk to a Liberal (If you must), "Liberals' idea of a good retort to a conservative argument is to investigate your personal life... In fact, 'something to hide' is often considered a resume enhancer if you're a Democrat - just ask Bill Clinton, Barney Frank, Marion Barry... But if you're a conservative prepare to have your every foible unveiled as if you were caught raping kittens. Even if you've led a blameless life, liberals invent absurd stories about you."

The Demagogues must be stopped!

#186 hal-law

Sure looks real. Guess who's not invited for Thanksgiving.

(Every smug loser on that page)

Nam Grunt -

And other veterens --- A question for you.

Dead thread Question. Mrs. Havoc & I watched the entire "Stolen Honor" - "Wounds that Never Heal" on pay per view via the Web.

Visceral, indredible what the POW's suffered for more than 6 years in prison, two years longer because of John Kerry and his Winter Soldiers.

I have one question which mystifies me, how is it, with 500,000 who served, and what was endured here in the U.S. after you returned, that out of that many, that no one was moved to revenge on Tom Hayden, Jane Fonda, and John Kerry ?

How is that ? They are still walking around, and no one gave them a measure of what they meted out on Veterans?

#55 KVH
#80 CastorOil

The PCUSA is a liberal church (oh, surprise) UNLIKE the Presbyterian Church of America (PCA) and others (e.g. OPC). They'll ordain anything with a pulse. They have pretty much thrown the Bible and Jesus out the window (which is precisely what makes a church a Christian church). My sentiments are if you throw those two things out, why even bother any more? Then it just becomes a social club.

While it is the largest Presbyterian denomination, the PCUSA does not represent all American Presbyterians.

Yeah, and they certainly don't speak for me or my family!!!

Presbyterian: Muslims easier to deal with than Jews

Well, last time I checked it wasn't Jews who were flying planes into our buildings or bombing our men and women overseas, or beheading innocent civilians. "Easier to deal with"?! Dadgum! Ggrrr...

This in from Newsmax.com

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

Anti-Sinclair Activists Claim POWs Are Lying About Kerry

Choice quote: "It's a pit of blatant, partisan swinishness," said Mark Mellon of Washington, D.C., who took time from his lunch to join the demonstration. "Are they POWs? They don't look like POWs. They look like elderly white men to me," Mellon said in reference to the interviews set to air as part of a news program Friday night on 40 of Sinclair Broadcasting's local television affiliates around the country. unquote

Who are these clueless people? Did he maybe expect them to wear their 'POW uniforms' like John Kerry wore his 'utility green uniform with medals' for his Senate testimony?

Dear Goddess, sometimes one wants to just beat them to death with a clue bat.

#190 Mutant C28Y thepiperswife
Way Way OT - Dead Thread Reply
You are sort of mostly correct. The PCUSA was a reoganization to try to reunify the Presbyterians - it didn't work.

The 25% to 40% of conservative PC USA churches are in the "Confessing Church" movement -

And want out of the Presbyterian Church, PC USA. Just like three Episcopal Orange County Churches which have left and are now under a Uganda Bishop, and being sued by the loving L.A. Episcopal Bishop to strip them of their Church Property and current bank accounts.

As you may realize, every Old Line Denomination Christian Church, be it Methodists, Congregationalists, Presbyterians, Episcopal, (less so) Catholics, have a very liberal left wing (Christians-in-name-only social do-gooders), a very orthodox right wing and just a few in the middle -

The Presbyterians PC USA and th Episcopalian have begun the fight to split and get out with their Church Properties.

The Liberals don't want to let them out because the Liberal wing is dying , losing membership by the droves and funds, they want to keep the conservatives to mine them for money.

Expect some long and interesting court battles as the Presbyterian PC USA and the Episcopal Church in America break up. It has already begun.

I've watched the footage, and it breaks my heart. I have a new respect for my father who, while rejected from the U.S. military for having flat feet, was never ashamed of trying despite having already served in the Canadian navy before he came to America.
God, I hope this asshole ++kerrystein++ isn't rewarded for his treachery. He and anyone who has hidden, supported, or is otherwise aware of his lies and still supports and/or votes for him should all have their citizenship stripped and be delivered a traitor's punishment.

Lets make a difference and knock on a few e-mailboxes for Bush!

Why don't we each identify 10 people in OHIO, send them the link to watch "Stolen Honor" for free and encourage them to send the link to at least 10 friends in Ohio. And so on……. Then lets hit Florida. By the time the election takes place we may have made an impact.

[Link: www.buttondepress.com...]