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 RetweetCAIR "Very Effective at Silencing the Media"

Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 7:11:16 pm PST

Here’s an article you need to read at Accuracy in Media, by Sherrie Gossett, on the media’s disturbing complicity in promoting the cause of radical Islam in the US: Fanatical Muslims Get Media Pass.

The American Muslim Taskforce is an umbrella organization representing groups such as CAIR, the Islamic Circle of North America, and the Muslim Alliance in North America. In the days preceding the election an estimated eighty percent of Muslim voters in the U.S. intended to cast their ballots for Senator Kerry, according to an opinion poll. Their top concern stated was civil rights. The vote for Kerry was termed a “protest” vote against the Patriot Act, and other actions that these groups said violated their civil rights.

CAIR has launched an effort to counteract anti-Muslim prejudice, which it says is widespread among Americans. They recently asked Muslims around the world to help correct misperceptions of Islam and its stance on religiously motivated terror. The Kentucky office of CAIR is conducting “sensitivity training” for FBI agents in Lexington. CAIR said 13 FBI agents, including supervisors, attended a workshop that examined “basic Islamic beliefs and concepts, common stereotypes of Islam and Muslims, and ways in which to improve interactions with the Muslim community.”

There is irony, though, in CAIR’s efforts to counteract what they call stereotypes of Muslims. CAIR denies any ties to terrorist groups but has generated its own share of controversy and has contributed to these stereotypes by participating in conferences that feature speakers that voice racist epithets, support suicide bombers, call for the termination of the Jews, and support leaders of the Hamas terrorist group.

Since September 11, 2001, three CAIR figures have been arrested by U.S. federal authorities on terrorist-related charges. CAIR also has been criticized for its links to Hamas by various terrorist experts and scholars, including Matthew Levitt, senior fellow in terrorism studies at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Levitt testified to the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Terrorism that CAIR was founded by Omar Ahmed, who co-founded the Islamic Association for Palestine, a HAMAS front organization.

Professor Abdul Hadi Palazzi of Italy has said CAIR’s ties to Hamas are “evident.” In February 2000 he gave a speech identifying CAIR as a Muslim Brotherhood front organization that works in the U.S. as a lobby against radio, television and print media journalists who dare to produce anything about Islam that is at variance with their fundamentalist agenda. To the utter shame of the media, CAIR has been very effective in silencing the media.

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1 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:14:23pm
2 Kevin P.  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:14:41pm

CAIR doesn't care, except for jihad.

OT, but very important;

Suha's "special someone" was implicated in Sabra and Shatila massacre

French officials following the Arafat dead-or-alive fiasco were floored to discover that Suha Arafat's constant companion and financial adviser is none other than Pierre Rizk. Like her a Maronite Christian (although she went through a "conversion" to Islam when she married Yasser), Rizk headed the Phalangist intelligence service during the Lebanese civil war and was in close personal contact with the guerrilla group which carried out the massacre of hundreds of Palestinians at the Sabra and Shatilla refugee camp in 1982.

(more)

3 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:15:43pm
4 monkeyweather  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:17:47pm
They recently asked Muslims around the world to help correct misperceptions of Islam and its stance on religiously motivated terror


If the world view on Islam and terrorism is "corrected", the RoP will be TOAST.
Much smarter for them to work hand in hand with the media, who adore finding excuses to call people "intolerant".

5 alkmyst  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:18:01pm

I just posted something along these lines on the last thread here

6 Infidel and Proud  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:20:14pm

p>

CAIR has launched an effort to counteract anti-Muslim prejudice, which it says is widespread among Americans.

It is. And it's well deserved.

Who give a shit what these diaper heads think?

7 Beagle  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:22:19pm

But, but CAIR is the "largest Islamic human rights group in the United States". The NYT says it. It must be true. /I hate the NYT

Meanwhile, in the real world, the NYT tears Christian groups a new one every chance they get. Anyone remember the FBI-filled-with-Israeli spies story?

Bueller? I recall LGF calling that one correctly. Where did those trolls go anyway?

8 quark2  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:23:16pm

The more they attempt to cover up their dirt, the bigger the hole they are digging for themselves.
I look forward to the day CAIR is finally exposed for the terrorist enabling/financing movement they are, and seeing even more of them pubically humilated/embarrassed as they are hauled off to jail.

9 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:23:42pm
10 andreaSF  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:24:41pm

The splodystinians at SFSU (San Francisco State) last week attacked the campus Republicans and about 200 of them rampaged thru the campus making remarks like

I'd rather be a sucide bomber than a stinking American

You all are murderers that kill palestinian babies

If we have to, we'll kill all of you to stop you

and other lovely sentiments. Today the head of school blamed the Republicans of racism and violence, because one conservative student raised his hand to block a slap aimed at him by a female Arafatbabe..

This is so much more than just CAIR and it's ilk. The entire left is using Islam as a wedge to eradicate free speech (as used by non-idiotarians)

Lock and load, people.

11 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:25:17pm
12 Infidel and Proud  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:26:12pm

The f'ing religion of peace is neither. Spare us the multiculturally sensitive inclusionist horseshit.
It's a f'ing infestation.

13 quark2  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:26:28pm

Tolerance? I'll give them tolerance. More like slack in a line that's about to pop back and put a crease down the middle of their skulls.
I think a majority of people are just plain fed up and disgusted with these ingrates and would like to see them shut up, shut down and shipped out.

14 Kevin P.  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:27:03pm

FYI everyone; anti-CAIR

15 RedWhiteAndJew  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:28:23pm

I don't understand why the Muslim Brotherhood is not mentioned more in the media.

Oh. Right.

16 Dianna  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:30:34pm

As the male of the species reminded me this afternoon, fellow LGFers, it's not nice to play with our food. Remember how easy it is to terrorize the press, and how brave this writer is to bring it out.

17 Infidel and Proud  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:32:54pm

Check out what the muzzy shitsacks have up on their site today (warning - nausea, or at least bile - possible).
www.cair-net.org...] target="_blank">

18 monkeyweather  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:33:34pm

#13 quark2 - Tolerance? I'll give them tolerance.

Yeah, well, we already tried "tolerance" huh? Much good it did us. Even the Dutch - total liberal idiots, are finally figuring out that you don't negotiate with terrorists if you wanna live, and that good ole "tolerance" can't withstand bombs, knives, and bullets.

Just curious:
has anyone EVER heard of a large organization of muslims that does NOT support terrorism?

19 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:34:01pm
20 quark2  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:34:06pm

song_and_dance_man

Oh yes, the muslim brotherhood. The legacy of left over WWII nazis. So what we have here is just the continuance.

andreaSF

What needs to happen to this campus and the dean is to have F.I.R.E. land all over them. Lots of court time, so they have to start paying their lawyers overtime.

21 Bossman  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:34:18pm

If I divulge secrets about Yasser's asswipes can I get 22 million a yar for life?

Bossman

22 Renna  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:36:19pm

Someone ran right out and polled Americans on their opinion of Islam and Muslims right after 9-11. A later poll (about two years later, IIRC) shocked the poll takers because overall opinion of Islam had gone down. Lower than immediately post 9-11.

They couldn't figure it out because *surely* a low opinion of Islam could *only* come from ignorance and the previous two years had seen unprecedented increase in the average American's knowledge of Islam.

Hmmm, the more America learns, the lower her opinion...

Good work CAIR.

23 andreaSF  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:36:30pm

quark 2

I'm not familiar with F.I.R.E.

Is it an answer to the ACLU?

24 monkeyweather  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:38:13pm

#19 ploome hineni - moslems have this method... of absorbing and destroying cultures and history of others...down to a science

Yep - and they leave nothing behind - just ruination. Reminds me of the nannites in "Prey"

25 Infidel and Proud  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:39:16pm

#10
Thanks for the tip. I checked out the SFSU site.
Disgusting. Their Prez has neither spine nor a pair.
LLL

26 huckfunn  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:43:28pm
They recently asked Muslims around the world to help correct misperceptions of Islam and its stance on religiously motivated terror.

Does anyone here have any misconceptions about Muslims?

Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11

27 Utahn  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:43:32pm

I had a divorce client once who was muslim. Her hubby was also. Her hubby was claiming they were never married. They had a son together. She made a comment that she knew other muslim men had marriage rites performed in a purely religious setting and then later denied that there was a marriage. This helps avoid property and alimony issues. There being no witnesses who would back the woman's story up and no documentation either they would get away with it. The client then said that she was amazed that he would do that to a "sister" in the faith.

I remember being stunned at her attitude-that it was okay for muslim men to lie to, use and then abandon non-muslim women. I convinced myself later I must have misunderstood her comments. I don't think so anymore. Thanks in part to the education here at LGF.

28 andreaSF  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:44:53pm

[Link: www.sfsu.edu...]

is the link to Corrigans response to the melee at SFSU.


(sorry, I'm an untech nerd and don't know how to link.)

29 eeevil conservative  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:45:07pm

I posted this on another thread, (just before it was abandoned) but I am posting it again because the irony is just tooo much!

The world is truly upside down. Christians are called gun-loving, haters, and intolerant. The Muslims are called victims, with a faith that is compassionate and merciful. The Pali's sure have the gun-loving thing over us Christians any day! They fire those guns for every occasion. Births, weddings, funerals, oh and jihad!
Bush=Hitler and Arafat=Nobel Peace Prize
The blue sates buy the drivel of the Islamic Fascists, and the red sates are called dumb.
A traitor like Kerry meets with terrorists and lies in hearings to Congress but is called a hero, and the heroes that fought for more than four months or actually received more than a band-aid for their wounds are called criminals and liars.
Watching the Pali's receive the dead fish today while listening to "professionals" use words like "orderly", "calm," and "dignified was like watching a rape and hear it described as an intimate showing of love and affection!

30 quark2  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:45:34pm

Campuses watchdog

andreasSF

31 Kafirus Maximus  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:46:04pm

Good link #9 Muslime Brotherhood's plans

Main objectives

A huge tree of "sub-goals" branches from these main objectives which are derived from the Quran and the tradition of the prophet (pbuh) [3,4]:

1- Building the Muslim individual: brother or sister with a strong body, high manners, cultured thought, ability to earn, strong faith, correct worship, conscious of time, of benefit to others, organized, and self-struggling character [3].
2- Building the Muslim family: choosing a good wife (husband), educating children Islamicaly, and inviting other families.
3- Building the Muslim society (thru building individuals and families) and addressing the problems of the society realistically.
4- Building the Muslim state.
5- Building the Khilafa (basically a shape of unity between the Islamic states).
6- Mastering the world with Islam.

32 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:46:05pm
33 andreaSF  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:46:17pm

Hey, it worked!

I'm still a nerd. :^(

34 Spiny Norman  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:46:41pm

#18 monkeyweather

Just curious:
has anyone EVER heard of a large organization of muslims that does NOT support terrorism?

The trouble is that the properties of "critical mass" become involved...

:^/

35 andreaSF  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:50:00pm

#30 quark2

I get a site for forest fire prediction and management.

Is there another link within that site?

36 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:51:55pm
37 quark2  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:52:48pm

andreaSF

Sorry

Here is it.

www.thefire.org

38 andreaSF  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:55:20pm

quark2 -Thanks - . Good site.

39 Julie  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:56:27pm

F.I.R.E. Go to thefire.org.
It's the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education; they are doing great work.
OT: If you care about Specter...I let the Republican National Committee know that if Specter gets Chairman of Judiciary, I'll be sending my annual $$$ to the Club for Growth and some 527 groups with guts. I know very well that the RNC has no role in picking chairmen. I'm just wishing a couple of musclebound red-staters might visit Specter and make him an "offer he can't refuse." It is just disgusting to see the usual wimps run for cover. Not only can't Congress face down CAIR; they can't even deal with a girly-man RINO from Pennsylavania. Grrr.

40 quark2  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:57:10pm

36 Iron Fist

The irony is, these people live in such a false world they don't ever acknowledge that as they continue to destroy the systems they too live by they are also shooting themselves. By declaring those who build and support the systems of our civilization the enemy, they are their own worst enemies. That makes them their own tools.

41 eeevil conservative  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:57:13pm

36 Iron Fist

Yes- you are so right.

I just get sooo confused, sometimes I have to peak down my jammie top, just make sure I am still a woman! Everything else seems to changing on me so quick.

42 HUSKER  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 5:59:59pm
CAIR has launched an effort to counteract anti-Muslim prejudice, which it says is widespread among Americans.

If they really cared about how Muslims are perceived, they would come on TV and tell the world they condemn this terrorist crap, and call every Muslim to rally against these groups. Since they have not and will not, they are just as bad, and thus are owed prejudice against them! It's not prejudice to be AGAINST someone that's trying to kill your civilization. The super-intelligent American might think so, but us dumb rednecks think living is worth fighting for.

43 pwinWHOH  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:03:54pm

Seems to me that CAIR was very effective with Dan Rather, SeeBS, NBC, ABC, CNN and others in "cahoots" with the MSM.

If they're not with us, they're against us. And, if they're against us, there is only one answer and solution. Bye-Bye!!

44 andreaSF  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:04:01pm

59,000,000 plus+ voters aren't fooled.. Even us RED bloods in blue states know Islam is a poke in the eye with a sharp stick (and worse).

45 tennis_ball  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:04:03pm

#18 Monkeyweather

Try as I might, I couldn't find any large Arab groups that support American policy/condemn terrorism, but maybe someone else might be able to (though I doubt it).

I did find these two sites though - not exactly groups, and not exactly large, but these two sites are made by Arabs who actually have their priorities straight:

www.shoebat.com
[Link: www.arabsforisrael.com...]

But don't look too far into it. Two sites in a sea of millions don't mean much.

46 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:05:15pm
47 andreaSF  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:07:33pm

#46 song_and_dance_man

I was one of the EIGHT persons who registered a firearm in the entire city/county of San Francisco last year.

48 mich-again  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:08:58pm

I work in a very large and religiously diverse environment, including quite a few "Americanized" (read watered down) Muslims. (as well as Jews, Catholics, WASPs, black baptists, Hindus, atheists, ...) My litmus test for the Muslims when they talk about their faith is whether or not women should be treated as equals and if its OK for girls as young as 12 to marry adult men. If there is a hint of hesitation in the answer they get the "I'm confused" words along with a subtle "you idiot" look. I never argue or lose control. People stop listening when you rant.

You can't beat sense into people. You can only try to make their own words so stupid that they eventually convince themselves. Intelligent people can't be afraid to openly engage in discussion with radical Islamists. The more they talk, the sooner they'll realize how idiotic they sound. But the absolute worst thing Westerners can do is give the radicals a sense of legitimacy. If they want to be part of civilization they have to leave the caveman shit behind. But don't stop talking if you ever want to see peace.

49 quark2  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:09:00pm

HUSKER

Ain't gonna happen. CAIR is here for one reason only, the first advance of assimilation and then the adjudication of violence to either convert or kill those who are not of the borg/islam.
CAIR is the direct antecedent of the Nazis Arab divisions of WWII.

50 pwinWHOH  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:11:32pm

P.S. I agree with #10 Lock -N- Load. Looks like the World is beginning to wake up to reality.

Most revealing is the bumper stickers seen every once in a while "Islam, ours today, yours tomorrow".

Once, again, Lock-N-Load, folks. The alarm clock is ringing loudly!!!

51 Sir Lurksalot  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:14:06pm

To the utter shame of the media, CAIR has been very effective in silencing the media.

It's easy to silence cowards.

52 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:15:59pm
53 andreaSF  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:18:56pm

song_and_dance_man

The reason we stay is our kids Jewish Day School, our synagogue, and my husband's job.

We avoid the other inmates for our own safety.

(this is the world's largest insane asylum.)

54 shambug  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:19:33pm

In Oct. I attended the Harvest Festival at the Anaheim Conv. Center. That evening on the way out I passed large groups of ME people, wearing headgear, all very well dressed. They all ignored me, group after group. No eye contact, nothing. Then I passed the CAIR sign. They were having some meeting there. And then I remembered I had driven my truck that day with the "American Infidel" sticker on the back! AND it was parked in the first row where most of them had to pass it on the way in. It made my day.

55 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:23:06pm
56 JusTalkin  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:24:37pm

It's amazing that these organizations are allowed to exist within the United States. They cannot stand up to scrutiny in their practice of self-promotion. Donors to these causes should be scrutinized as well.

-JusTalkin

57 quark2  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:25:33pm

On the news just now. A young and idiotic tool (female) wearing a toad sack talking about how Israel broke the arafish's spirit in trying to attain peace.

I sure hope it leaks out this sack of rotting flesh died from aids.
And someone needs to give that young tool a history book, if she can read.

58 Old Fart 43  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:27:23pm

Does anyone have any idea how many Muslims belong to the ACLU? Just a thought.

59 Infidel and Proud  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:28:31pm

#54
LMAO...a great story.
Where'd you get the sticker? I've been looking all over for the ones that have "islam" only the "s" has been replaced by a swastika.
Any suggestions?
Cheers.

60 texanista  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:29:50pm
61 Infidel and Proud  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:31:09pm

Copy...and thanks!

62 Sarah D.  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:31:55pm

OT

LGF gets a direct mention on the Corner over at NRO.

Scroll down, KJL at 1:21PM.

Sorry if this has been posted previously.

63 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:32:58pm
64 texanista  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:33:38pm

... and next week check out my website and pass the word around... I need the business! document imaging

65 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:37:35pm
66 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:38:33pm
67 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:40:33pm
68 eeevil conservative  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:44:18pm

I am probably like a few of the regulars here in the sense that I have been inspired to start my own blog.

I grew up wanting to be a writer so badly. I even had an editorial published in the paper while I was still in High School. I wrote all the time, about everything. I even took on the school board.

Then, life happened. The reality of working to make a living, my college dreams were squashed- I won't even get into that story- very bad, very very bad. I had kids, blah, blah, blah.

I just want to say thanks to you all and to Charles for waking up that dream again. I am getting more fulfillment out of my writing than I ever have, and ya'll reach me so much!

THANKS!

oh, and it is friday night, so ...

CHEERS!

69 eeevil conservative  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:45:17pm

Iron Fist

LOL!!! LOL!!! You are sooo funny!

I love ya!

70 eeevil conservative  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:47:37pm

68

I am getting more fulfillment out of my writing than I ever have, and ya'll reach me so much!

LOL!! wooops! TEACH me, not REACH me! PIMF!!


CHEERS again!

71 quark2  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:47:42pm

60 Iron Fist

I'm one of those baby boomers. And I don't miss the '60s' or the '70's!
Having already lived through the morass of that period, which was tacky, boring and a complete crapout, I'm glad that era is in the dust bin of history. I certainly don't want to see a repeat of it!
In my senior year in high school I took on the whole class of sociology (as well as my idiot teacher) of liberalism vs conservatism. Ironically a good many of those class mates have seen the error of their ways.
My generation did a damned good job of royally screwing up this great country. I'm real pissed of about it. As a whole, the baby boomer generation needs their asses handed to them via steel toed boots.

72 Old Fart 43  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:50:14pm

#66 iron fist
The scary part is the Dem's may get their wish, we may get hit harder. The question is will it get them what they wish for or just make us more resolved.

73 ferrethouse  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:52:22pm

Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth

Omar Ahmad - founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)

From Conservative Life

74 lazytart  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:54:31pm

Here's a lovely little thread in which Kossacks compare Israelis to Nazis... and again... and again...

Just in case any of you are bored out of your minds and have nothing better to do, like moi.

75 quark2  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:55:19pm

If the dems want to see just how hawkish the centrists and right wing can become, let their wish about us getting hit again come true.
The word tolerance will not be in our volcabulary.

76 zee  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:55:24pm
"...In this spirit, and ignoring the fact that those who are making war on America act explicitly in the name of Islam, the Promising Practices Guide renounces any approach to law enforcement that focuses on "religion or national origin." Islamic charities, a known source of terrorist funding, should not be given special scrutiny lest "this creates an impression of unjust, religious, and/or national origin-based targeting." Nor apparently should those suspected of plotting terrorism be detained for lesser crimes such as immigration violations or firearms offenses, as to the community, "these may appear to be ‘pretext' investigations." Using the guide's logic, no one should be singled out, not even would-be terrorists, not even for questioning."George Soros Teaches the FBI Tolerance

The Partnering for Prevention and Community Safety Initiative (PfP) seeks to identify and help implement promising practices for building relationships between federal, state, and local law enforcement and American Muslim, Arab, and Sikh communities. Such partnerships enhance counterterrorism initiatives, protect communities from hate crimes and hate incidents, and help preserve American civil liberties.
From May 2003 to May 2004, PfP conducted research in three site cities: Southeastern Michigan, Southern California, and Greater Boston. Supported by the Open Society Institute/Soros Foundation, the Whiting Foundation, and Northeastern University, this research culminated in a
Promising Practices Guide.

"The critics of the New Age 'ethics' program at the Academy have been muted during the last presidential election and the subsequent first six months of the Bush presidency, waiting to see if anything might be done to reverse the inroads made by the previous Clinton administration. It has now become clear that no reforms will be forthcoming from a Bush presidency in the area of homosexuals in the military, women-in-combat, or the new 'ethics' program at the Naval Academy. The president simply does not believe that his political backing is strong enough to undertake the measures that are necessary to turn back the tide of 'cultural Marxist' initiatives that were put in place during the Clinton years.
As a result, the civilian faculty and their replacements, who were put in place during the Clinton administration, are still in the trenches, solidifying their 'gains' made during the 1990s. In fact, they are taking the 'ethics' curriculum at the Academy even farther leftward than they dared in the Clinton years. Consequently, in order to reverse this trend, military leaders - both active duty and retired - must be found with the conviction and courage to stand up and make changes that are necessary. Cultural Marxism at the Naval Academy: An Update

Question?
Is what this Cultural Marxism excerpt saying regarding the mandatory teaching of Singers twisted ethics - is that possible?
Please tell me it isn't taught.

But then if this stuff has been being disseminated throughout the police and military, it would explain the cops not protecting the young repubs in San Fran...

How the hell do you fight this?

77 john5z  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:56:24pm

Can we have the Marines come back here and give CAIR the fallujah treatment?

78 quark2  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 6:59:50pm

73 ferrethouse


It has been predicted that islam has opened the door of oppertunity to bring about it's own demise.

79 texanista  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:00:09pm

#76:
Don't worry about Soros... all we have to do is expose him for who he is... He is the man who devalues currency in markets such as the Pacific Rim, Russia, and Brazil in a matter of hours and profits from the destruction of these economies... he is also a Jew who was employed by the Nazi's during WWII to finger Jews for deportation...

80 eeevil conservative  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:02:44pm

Locals in Fallujha are coming out of their homes and being friendly to and helping the US forces!!!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

Those poor people who want freedom and have been so terrorized by Saddam, and now the frickin' wacko's! I am so proud of my country and my President, and OUR TROOPS!!!

81 andreaSF  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:03:28pm

#76 zee

Exactly. If our government continues to "dutch it up" where islam is concerned, a royal citizen backlash may occur. If they can't (or won't) protect the citizenry and our constitution, don't expect Americans to develop more tolerance... expect us to hate and revile islam, which is I guess, exactly the opposite of what they intend.

Bureaucratic morons.

82 Victor  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:03:45pm

"To the utter shame of the media, CAIR has been very effective in silencing the media."

Well duh, that's because Old Media is terminally infested with supine, self-loathing, Kool-Aid drinking LLL's.

Leftists and Islamists United to Destroy the West!

83 john5z  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:04:10pm

#80 EC:

You know that news won't make the MSM.

84 quark2  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:09:42pm

76 zee

Yes. You keep doing what you're doing now. And if you'll notice, the younger generation appears to be gifted with a sharp sense of discernment. The lies are not producing the crop they so wished for.
What they are going to end up with, is not what they planned for or expected.
Like every other creed, cult or ideology that is based on lies, without support it will fall in on its self.

85 ddd  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:11:13pm

Burial of a Monster, Desecration of a Maple Leaf
By Howard Galganov November 12, 2004


I watched the Arafat burial on CNN, MSNBC and BBC this morning. All of whom bent over backwards to be reverent to a mass murderer.

All but Don Imus that is, who does his cross-America radio show; "Imus In The Morning" which is simulcast on MSNBC.

During his show, Andrea Mitchell, Chief Foreign Affairs Correspondent for NBC, and wife of Allan Greenspan, Chairman of the US Fed, spoke in almost hushed tones about Arafat as the Palestinian mob was beginning to develop.

Imus couldn't take the respect for Arafat conveyed by Andrea Mitchell. To paraphrase Imus using his words to Mitchell:

Don't show any "reverence" on "my show" as they try to take "stinky" off the helicopter. That "son-of-a-bitch".

This was the only honest broadcast I saw.

I imagine that the FOX News Network was as honest as well, but we'll never really know, because the Federal Government of Canada makes it ILLEGAL for Canadians to receive the FOX News Network in Canada on cable or satellite.

While watching the crush of inhumanity keeping Arafat's diseased body from being unloaded from the helicopter that brought him from Cairo, it was impossible not to notice a large, bright and waving CANADIAN flag amongst the mob.

Not only was the Red Maple Leaf a stand-out in this crowd of horrible people; it was the only national flag I saw, other than the flag of the Palestinians, which they wave around like a rag at the end of a pole.

A bit later, when Arafat's body was finally brought to his burial place, the Red Maple Leaf was once again "proudly" and prominently waved in the Palestinian Hall.

When Anne and I moved to Ontario (in the year 2000), I flew my Canadian flag in the front of our home (as I did in St Lazare, Quebec), and when I bought my Ontario car license plates, I paid extra to purchase plates that included a Canadian flag as part of the design.

We no longer fly the Canadian flag in front of our home. I replaced it with Ontario's Red Ensign which flies above the Stars and Stripes. And as of this afternoon, I will change my car license plates to be rid of the Maple Leaf there as well.

I have often asked: What does Canada stand for? I saw my answer today on three television networks, at the funeral of a mass murderer.

Arafat was given a statesman's send-off by many of the world Heads of State, or their representatives, showing just how morally bankrupt the world is: especially France.

There could never be a more fitting final stage to a funeral, than the mob scene that ushered Arafat to his grave. This irreverence and mayhem was the perfect demonstration of Arafat's true measure on "his people".

The guns firing into the air. The masked goons. The tires burning. The ugly hijab wearing women screaming like fish-mongers. The fools standing on top of cars. The people injured during the free-for-all. The ambulance sirens. And the Western media pretending that all of this was somehow "normal" and "acceptable" behavior.

This was the sounds, the fury, and the scene at the funeral of a dead monster, whose only contribution to society was murder, mayhem and misery, "graced" by the flutter of the Red Maple Leaf of Canada.

Need anyone say anything more?
[Link: web.israelinsider.com...]

86 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:13:41pm
87 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:14:25pm
88 lazytart  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:20:46pm

"Dear Sir:

Please allow me to express my extreme displeasure and disappointment with your, quite frankly, revolting display of moral equivalency in regard to events between the College Republicans and various Palestinian sympathizers last week.

I have followed the story with interest; the photos from the event were nothing short of shocking.. the faces contorted with rage and frothing hatred. It looked remarkably, well, like Ramallah.

Somehow, I fail to understand how preventing oneself from being slapped by an individual who openly threatens you can be construed as anything but self defense.

How utterly sad. How pathetic of your to treat these individuals like children engaged in a schoolyard fight- zero tolerance- when one group is CLEARLY engaging in not only terrorist sympathizing but openly threatening another group on campus who were MERELY EXERCISING THEIR FREE SPEECH RIGHTS in a peaceful manner.

I highly doubt that this will be the last incident of inflammatory, predatory, borderline violent rage on behalf of these students. And I am *NOT* referring to the College Republicans. Your weak-kneed response to the matter will only incite more of the same.

Sadly, it seems that some American parents still see the need to funnel multiple thousands of dollars for their chidren to be "educated" on campuses such as yours... a misguided decision our family will NOT make the mistake of emulating.

Sincerely,

LAZYTART"


My letter to Pres. Corrigan... I know, I know.. it's not great.. I've had a few, OK???

89 andreaSF  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:24:42pm

#87 Iron Fist

Yeah, keep it up Abdul.

Are YOU lookin' at ME?

Sheesh, the [bigoted word]s are clever, but not very smart.


I.F.
You sound as pissed as we all feel.

90 zee  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:32:30pm

#79texanista

Don't worry about Soros... all we have to do is expose him for who he is...

Expose him to who? How will that prevent him from messing with the money markets. My ignorance in finance prevents me from seeing if he could pummel Bush's second term with his damn money games.

Are there any vulnerabilities Soros could exploit to sink the ship or am I just paranoid?

91 texanista  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:36:28pm

The REAL WAR is the economic one... look at the falling value of the Dollar over the past couple of years... down 20% against the Euro (an all time low). Nations are made and lost on the basis of currency value... Soros no doubt has the devalueing of our currency his most glorious dream and goal... is this beginning to make some sense? This is why we HAVE to win this global war on islamic fundamentalism...

92 zee  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:37:21pm

#81andreaSF

Exactly. If our government continues to "dutch it up" where islam is concerned, a royal citizen backlash may occur

Thank god we still have guns. Those poor folks in Holland where Van Gogh was just slaughtered, have none...I think...
I can't stand not knowing who is who and what is what in the Pentagon and State. Is that something worth finding out. Is it all Edward Said type folks?

I'm rambling, sorry...

93 Victor  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:38:09pm

#29 eeevil conservative  11/12/2004 07:45PM PST

"The world is truly upside down."

Time for a song. I love the way Ella sings Cole Porter:

"Times have changed
And we've often rewound the clock
Since the Puritans got a shock
When they landed on Plymouth Rock.
If today
Any shock they should try to stem
'Stead of landing on Plymouth Rock,
Plymouth Rock would land on them.

In olden days, a glimpse of stocking
Was looked on as something shocking.
But now, God knows,
Anything goes!
Good authors too who once knew better words
Now only use four-letter words
Writing prose.
Anything goes!
If driving fast cars you like,
If low bars you like,
If old hymns you like,
If bare limbs you like,
If Mae West you like,
Or me undressed you like,
Why, nobody will oppose.
When ev'ry night the set that's smart is in-
Truding in nudist parties in
Studios.
Anything goes!

When Missus Ned McLean (God bless her)
Can get Russian reds to "yes" her,
Then I suppose
Anything goes!
When Rockefeller still can hoard en-
Ough money to let Max Gordon
Produce his shows,
Anything goes!
The world has gone mad today
And good's bad today,
And black's white today,
And day's night today,
And that gent today
You gave a cent today
Once had several chateaux.
When folks who still can ride in jitneys
Find out Vanderbilts and Whitneys
Lack baby clo'es,
Anything goes!

If Sam Goldwyn can with great conviction
Instruct Anna Sten in diction,
Then Anna shows
Anything goes!
When you hear that Lady Mendl standing up
Now turns a handspring landing up-
On her toes,
Anything goes!
Just think of those shocks you've got
And those knocks you've got
And those blues you've got
From that news you've got
And those pains you've got
(If any brains you've got)
From those little radios.
So Missus R., with all her trimmin's,
Can broadcast a bed from Simmons
'Cause Franklin knows
Anything goes!"

94 Rayra[deleted]  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:38:53pm
95 texanista  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:40:41pm

To answer your question; Zee, the people we need to expose Soros to are the everyday people of the Red States and everyone else in this country... somehow they need to understand the underpinnings that drive a nations success... these are the MOST important factors involved in our eventual demise... no matter what may happen in the end... we need to drive these people like Soros from our system in order to gain, once again, some semblance of control over our future...

96 Infidel and Proud  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:47:06pm
Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth

Omar Ahmad - founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)


This subhuman piece of pig shit should be deported...NOW.

97 zee  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:49:20pm

#84 Quark 2

Yes. You keep doing what you're doing now. And if you'll notice, the younger generation appears to be gifted with a sharp sense of discernment.

You know - you are right. My sons learned valuable lessons this election about media duplicity and revisionism.

In an odd way, these elections brought my family closer together. Of course, it's a small family.

I wish the hell I'd had more kids. Frigging career! For what! Sheesh.

98 texanista  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:53:32pm

I hope I don't sound like some sort of crackpot in my posts but there are two paralell wars being fought. BOTH need to be won!!! We can't let the economic arm of this attack advance just like we can't let the g'damn muslems advance. The entire world is now engaged in free trade and the largest vulnerability for any nation is the fluctuation of it's currency... Go and read the works of Fredrick List (1880's german economist). Let's conquer the ME and simultaneously protect our economy... it CAN be done!

99 zee  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:55:35pm

#95 Texanista

.. the people we need to expose Soros to are the everyday people of the Red States and everyone else in this country

OK.

Well,that means I keep doing what I'm doing. But actually, I only ever see passengers. And conversations do ensue. I've turned alot on to LGF. That's all you can do ,I guess. Good old American word of

mouth.

100 mich-again  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:58:11pm

Iranians hated Arafat
Kuwaiti and Iranian newspapers are almost alone in the Muslim world to denounce Arafat as a “corrupt, despotic and treacherous leader interested only in money and power.”

Let me get this straight...Are the enemies of my enemies my friends or are we all just supposed to hate each other??? Scorecard anyone?

101 texanista  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 7:58:27pm

#99
It's a good start! WE have 4 years to get this conversation to a point where MOST Americans understand that our country's independence depends on it. I think that's enough time.

102 texanista  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 8:02:13pm

Kuwaiti and Iranian newspapers are almost alone in the Muslim world to denounce Arafat as a “corrupt, despotic and treacherous leader interested only in money and power.”
YES!!! They got the point! These terrorists are all about breaking economies and restricting freedom regardless of ideology... The terrorists are working from the same economic model as Soros... I hope this is making sense.

103 texanista  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 8:06:20pm

If we all agree that the perpetrators of these violent deeds are only puppets (knowingly or not) of higher officials who have an objective in mind (hegemony) then we must also agree that BOTH fronts have to be addressed... the economic one and the one we are currently addressing with the islamic terrorists.

104 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 8:11:52pm

Kevin P. (#2)

At this stage it's almost impossible to find someone without blood on their hands. What a sick joke this is.

105 zee  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 8:15:59pm
BOTH fronts have to be addressed


Well, I'd add the academic front here at home. What Horowitz is doing with Campus Watch needs to be extended to grades k-12. And media - All major media needs to be blogged for lies and inaccuracies. but I agree, 4 years to consolidate and build. And I still say we need a legal rapid response system to CAIR. They are winning too much in the courts... I have ideas if anyone wants to critique them in email.

Ah well, to bed i think. Up since 0300.

106 texanista  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 8:17:09pm

As far as the visible war is concerned we need to "kill them all and let G_d sort them out... it's sad but true... I feel sorry for these muslims but they have to go!!!

107 Uhller Isshaytan  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 8:34:26pm
They recently asked Muslims around the world to help correct misperceptions of Islam and its stance on religiously motivated terror.

The non-muslims have too many misconceptions about the meaning of "slay the infidel wherever you find him."

Many wild conclusions have been drawn throught the misconception of "smite off their necks".

This refers only to those infidels that oppress Islam by refusing to submit to the word of Allah.

Another great misconception is the image of muslims as cruel wife beaters. Nothing can be further from the truth!

They are the kindest of men. The disciplining of a wife is an ACT of Kindness.

The misconception that muslims condone 'terrorism'.

This is false. Muslims detest terrorism and only condone Jihad!

The misconception that Arafat was a cruel terrorist.
He was very kind to his bodyguards in Romania.

108 texanista  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 8:37:36pm

Yep! He was "kind" to them alright...LOL

109 Miggie  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 8:42:47pm

I am outraged by these Muslim street punks in our colleges. What entitles them to an education here? I would shut down every single organization that enables Muslims to come here for educations AND the organizations here that forgive and aid them in their outrages. Any of our embassies in the third world that grant them visas ought to be reminded that they represent the US and NOT the host country.

It is like inviting a cancer into your body!

Frankly, it is suicidal to let the fanatics live among us. Once they are here, they take unto themselves all the rights and freedoms of Americans without giving up any of their intentions to impose their ways and their wills on us.

The burden should be on them to prove they are not fanatics... and the test can be as simple as whether they believe and practice the notion that women have equal rights without any equivication. If they can't demonstrate somehow that they don't believe in the doctrine or otherwise want to convert anyone else to Islam they should be deported. They like Islam and Muslim ways? They can stay in their old shitholes and not come here.

Too tough a test? Criteria too unfair? Too bad! Who needs them? What have they contributed besides hatred and violence? On top of that I would deport the university presidents who don't have the brains they were born with to even understand what is at stake here. They would continue to prattle on about diversity and freedom of speech while their throats were being cut.

110 adamthemadman  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 9:18:06pm

91# texanista

The REAL WAR is the economic one... look at the falling value of the Dollar over the past couple of years... down 20% against the Euro (an all time low). Nations are made and lost on the basis of currency value... Soros no doubt has the devalueing of our currency his most glorious dream and goal.

Are there black helicopters in your vicinity? 'No doubt'? Um, well I have one. Average daily turnover of dollars on the forex is 3-5 billion. Soros doesn't have enough cheese for that kind of spread. I'm not much of a Soros fan, but your conspiracy smells of a Moby.

111 leap_frog  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 9:50:37pm

Ok, I am deeply embarrassed and horrified about the Can. flag in Palestine, at arafat's burial.
No I won't show this dead swine any respect.

I've been battling it out with LLL's on Can sites, and I'm fed up and ready to move South! They don't even know Palestine is not a country! (Banging head against the wall -repeatedly)

They have no idea about radical muslims trying to pass Shar'i law in Canada, have no idea, we have no military to speak of, in fact they didn't even know most of our defence services for aircraft are done through the US!
It's hopeless, I'm so fed up!

How about five moonbats for three Cannuks?
~ ~ We work, have transferrable skills-well one is in school, excellent science student.

112 exredtory  Fri, Nov 12, 2004 11:54:25pm

I heard about the Canadian flag being waved amid the Arafat death orgy - I immediately thought it must be one of those ISM nitwits - enough of those idiotarians seem to be misguided Canadians.
The fawning by the CBC over someone who should have been the first person in the dock at the much ballyhooed International Criminal Court is appalling. The coverage of the coffin swarm in Ramallah was reported by CBC as "emotional" outpouring of grief, devotion, blah blah, as if it were no different from teenage girl-hugs and "makeshift shrine" mawkishness when some high-school jock dies in drunken car crash.
Later CBC Newsworld ran a British "Life and Legacy of Yasser Arafat" "documentary" of such brazen one-sidedness and terrorist apologetics, it would have made Michael Moore proud.
Left-wing delusionalism about Arafat and most other issues predominates in Canada, and I don't see a ready cure.
And yes, CAIR is a problem here, too.

113 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Nov 13, 2004 12:01:04am
114 J.D.  Sat, Nov 13, 2004 12:39:17am
...The Kentucky office of CAIR is conducting "sensitivity training" for FBI agents in Lexington. CAIR said 13 FBI agents, including supervisors, attended a workshop that examined "basic Islamic beliefs and concepts, common stereotypes of Islam and Muslims, and ways in which to improve interactions with the Muslim community."...


I posted the link from the local rag about this a couple of weeks ago. At the same time, the mayor was holding court at one of our jr. high schools promoting 'tolerance' and the police officers were scheduled for lunch on Friday with some muslims for some ramadan thing. About the same time, the defense minister of the uae who has several farms here was in trouble for [still] having child camel jockeys.

We're so freakin' multi-culti it's really quite disgusting.

115 J.D.  Sat, Nov 13, 2004 12:49:54am

American-Islamic chapter organizes

LEXINGTON - The Kentucky chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations started its first meeting Saturday night with a 10-minute prayer from the Quran.

Lexington Mayor Teresa Isaac, who has Lebanese heritage, spoke of "building a bridge of understanding" between Muslims and non-Muslims in Kentucky. ...


She's fated to be a one-termer, BTW.

116 Warthog  Sat, Nov 13, 2004 1:57:48am

We should not ignore or underestimate the influence or evil intent of CAIR and other Muslim jihadi front groups. CAIR may be slicker than most but their goal is no different from bin Laden's.

117 Ben B  Sat, Nov 13, 2004 2:33:47am

Everyone reading the Koran with an open mind will see that its ego-deity craves worship like a drug-addict craves the drug to which he is addicted.

118 American Infidel[deleted]  Sat, Nov 13, 2004 4:16:58am
119 LC LaWedgie  Sat, Nov 13, 2004 5:17:57am

More ROPMA:

A 60-year-old Buddhist man was killed and seven people injured today in a blast at a market, the fourth in less than 24 hours in Thailand's violence-wracked Muslim-majority south, police said...
...About 4,000 shotguns have been handed out to village officials by the government in a bid to fend of a wave of hit-and-run attacks aimed mostly at security forces, state officials, Buddhist civilians and monks.
120 D.C. Watson  Sat, Nov 13, 2004 5:20:02am

They can do what they want in the mainstream media island. It doesn't matter much anymore. Websites like this one, Jihad Watch, Frontpagemag.com, Worldnetdaily, Anti-Cair, NoJihad.com, and hundreds of others, along with talk radio hosts like Rush, Hannity, Michael Savage, Billy Cunningham, and Glenn Beck are who everyone's paying attention to.

The above-referenced, and those of us who visit here will continue to expose radical Muslims. The above-referenced will never be stopped by piss ant liars like these Muslim advocacy groups, and together these sites experience hundreds of millions of hits each month.

One thing groups like CAIR appear to fail to realize is that our Constitution is much more durable than they had hoped. Our right to speech and opinion will never be taken away, no matter what damage control they attempt to implement.

It'd be best for them to either leave Islam, or leave the U.S., because they have no chance of complete Dhimmihood here. Again, the key to victory for us is to keep them out of the country.

The less there are, the less we have to babysit. Immigration control is essential. CAIR can wrap islam up in any giftwrap they choose, but no matter what they choose, the giftwrap is a see through veil.

121 jemima  Sat, Nov 13, 2004 5:37:35am

[Link: www.numbersusa.com...]

This is a group keeping on top of the immigration issue and any bills trying to make it through the government. They email when any important developments are taking place.

122 TotallySirius  Sat, Nov 13, 2004 7:04:38am

#96

They killed his family and locked up Randy Weaver ,all he wanted was to be left alone but they won't do squat to this seditious piece of CAIR crap.

I know that's not the best analogy but its all I could think of on short notice,hope I made my point.

123 monkeyweather  Sat, Nov 13, 2004 7:49:32am

#45 tennis_ball
Thanks! That you managed to even find just TWO muslim/arab groups that don't support terrorism and who DO allow for the existence of Israel is really quite amazing.

I read the "messopotamian" blog a lot by Alaa for news on the ground in Iraq, and I see how GOOD some muslims are, and I wonder "Where the heck ARE all of them? Why do we seem surrounded by only the EVIL ones?"

I guess some people just know instinctively that murder is wrong no matter WHAT their religion tells them, and some people lack that instinct that tells them the dif between right and wrong.

124 Chaparral  Sat, Nov 13, 2004 9:12:13am

You want to know one of my favorite things about this time of year? Eggnog. I put it in my coffee instead of the half-and-half I usually use. Just had to mention that.

I think the internet has diluted the MSM's corner on the market of ideas with sites like LGF, NRO et-cetera, which is a hopeful sign (As an aside, anyone here converted from the "dark side" to the libertarian/right via exposure to LGF? Just curious).

Seems the choir here is aware of the fact that Islam is a fascist ideology masquerading under the banner of religion, and that the only real goal of Islam is self-propagation - like a virus - until it consumes all opposed thought, ideology, and religion. And, I might add, like a virus, Islam will destroy all of the progress that western civilization has made and will plunge the world into a neo-Dark Age: It'll kill the body that hosts it.

I expect that Islam can't help itself, and that Moslems will continue to violently act out, which will wake up others and get them on our side. However, if "moderate" Islamic voices appear (The present ones seem to simply be exceptions that prove the rule of Islamic militancy) I would caution you to regard them with suspicion, as they most certainly will be nothing more than a tactic designed to remove pressure from them so that they can further their agenda without opposition.

For those of us who are Followers of The Way, Islam is no mystery. "Allah" is NOT the same G-d of Abraham that Christians and Jews worship. Saint John's revelation describes "Allah" as a "god of fortresses", which can also be translated as "battlements". Is there any better description of a Mosque filled to the brim with weaponry as we have seen in Iraq? This is certainly the case with Mosques in Europe and the Americas as well, I would warn.

Many of us recognize Islam for the evil insidious enemy that it is on it's face, but are we enough? That is the question of the age for me.

125 Infidel and Proud  Sat, Nov 13, 2004 9:31:38am

Has anyone sent email to CAIR?

126 ubangi  Sat, Nov 13, 2004 3:41:57pm

If you're interested in CAIR and the fight against them, check out anti-cair-net.org.

127 rtheyserius  Sat, Nov 13, 2004 3:49:01pm

> Has anyone sent email to CAIR?

I wouldn't send CAIR the sweat off my ass.

128 Rasputin  Sat, Nov 13, 2004 7:31:37pm

So much for that huge Muslim vote bloc.

129 J.D.  Sun, Nov 14, 2004 2:51:44am

#124 Chapparel
I just re-read your comment and I have a question about this.

Is there any better description of a Mosque filled to the brim with weaponry as we have seen in Iraq? This is certainly the case with Mosques in Europe and the Americas as well, I would warn.


Do you have a source or two you'd like to share?


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