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 RetweetIncident on Haifa Street

Fri, Dec 24, 2004 at 11:18:47 am PST

At Belmont Club, Wretchard is asking hard questions of the Associated Press, about this appalling photograph (one of a series):

A gunman, left, shoots and kills a man lying in Baghdad’s Haifa Street after being pulled from a car Sunday, Dec. 19, 2004. The man at right on his knees was executed moments later, along with another man not shown in picture. About 30 militants hurling hand grenades and firing machine guns attacked a car carrying five people employed by the commission’s Baghdad office and tried ‘to drag them out,’ said Adel al-Lami, a member of the Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq. (AP Photo/Str)

Here’s what Wretchard wrote about this scene, several days ago:

Even with today’s proliferation of compact photographic equipment, a legitimate photojournalist rarely gets the opportunity to capture an execution. Apart from the beheadings which are purposely recorded on video by the jihadis and from gun camera film, most footage of people actually being shot are taken by photographers in company with combatants who are ready to film an ambush. Those individuals are combat cameramen for their armies or embedded reporters. The most famous analogue to the Associated Press sequence of photographs is probably the Eddie Adams photo of the execution of Vietcong Captain Bay Lop by South Vietnamese General Nguyen Ngoc Loan. Adams owed that opportunity to General Loan himself, who brought Adams along to cover what he believed to be a justifiable summary execution. Adams depressed the shutter at exactly the moment Loan fired and photo analysis actually shows the impact of the bullet on Bay Lop’s skull.

It may have been pure luck, but it was surely the longest of odds that would have brought an Associated Press cameraman to the site of a surprise attack on two Iraqi electoral workers. As it was, the AP photograph was unable to capture the actual execution, only the moments shortly before and after the Iraqis were killed. Although the Eddie Adams photograph was widely used to illustrate the ‘brutality’ of the Saigon government, the photos taken by the Associated Press are unlikely to reflect badly on the electoral worker’s killers. Press reports highlight the confidence and boldness of the insurgents. “Both of the victims shown in the sequence wore traditional Arab headscarfs. In contrast, the attackers were bareheaded and apparently unafraid to show their faces”, suggesting that ‘collaborators’ must conceal their faces while the Ba’athists stride with impunity through the light of day. It was fortunate for the AP that their photographer was accidentally there.

At LGF, we have linked to (and shown) numerous pictures of mujahideen attacking coalition forces with all sorts of weapons. Every one of these photographs, from AP, Reuters, and Agence France Presse, has carried a byline for the photographer who shot it. AP stringers have never been shy about identifying themselves, even when standing a few feet away from terrorists.

Yet, the caption for the photo above conceals the identity of the photographer. Why?

Is it possible that this photo was not merely the work of an AP photographer who knew in advance of the attack—but was in fact, shot by an accomplice of the murderers who supplied the photo to the Associated Press? The propaganda value of the photo to the mujahideen is undeniable; it sends a terrifying message to any Iraqi who supports the upcoming elections.

Whatever the reason, the Associated Press needs to explain how this series of disgusting photographs came to be.

And another curious fact: earlier this month, I noted a report that a holy warrior snuff film had been provided to Al Jazeera by ... none other than the Associated Press.

Other bloggers who think AP has some serious ’splaining to do: Roger L. Simon and Power Line.

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1 Athos  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:22:53am

Ernie Pyle has to be spinning in his grave over the actions of the AP, UPI, as well as the rest of the MSM.

I'm trying to find the link - but I recall the AP's position on this event is that the photographer was there because he received a tip that a "demonstration" was supposed to take place at that location. They expected a "demonstration" and not an execution.

It's bad enough that our enemies know how to use our own media as propaganda against us and our troops. The real sad part is that the MSM are such willing participants.

2 Percopius  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:23:00am

what crap.

3 the DRUNK report  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:23:47am

just when you thought it was safe to trust the AP...

4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:25:05am

AP working with terrorists? Thats like saying the French work with terrorists.

well, I guess I cant fault the logic there really

5 Model4  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:26:28am
The man at right on his knees was executed moments later

Interesting. Why no photos of the judge, jury and attorneys who were also there on the street? Surely they had to have had a trial, presented the charges the accused violated, analyzed the evidence, deliberated, and then went through the appeals process.

With all of that left out of the story, it falsely gives the impression that this was a murder, not an execution.

6 scaramouche  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:28:31am

AP, and AFP and Reuters, oh my. You may as well get your news from Al Manar. At least it makes no pretence of objectivity.

7 dennisw  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:29:40am

No big deal on these street executions (murders). These fine Muslims are merely obeying their fine religious scripture. The Koran exhorts all Muslims to emulate the life of Muhammad and that's all they are doing. It's known as copying Muhammad's example, the life of the most exemplary man who ever trod the earth.


For Muslims, the Koran is the literal word of God and Mohammed's example or sunna (whatever he did or said) is an eternal model.

8 Marine Momma  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:30:28am

Sadly, nothing will come of this from the MSM. We had a presidential candidate who had committed treason, we have senators who are arrogantly revealing secrets of our military, thank God for the blogs.
Merry Christmas all!

9 Hari Seldon  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:32:29am

ahhh gotta love the AP...so un biased...

/sarcasam

nah but seriously... can we get them branded the same thing hezbelloh tv got branded. would probabalymake things a lot better

10 dennisw  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:33:15am

More photos of this incident at Haifa Street: [Link: news.search.yahoo.com...]

11 dennisw  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:36:57am

Powerline notes how the photographer is not identified here so he can stay in the good graces of the US and the Alawi Iraq government

12 Sawadee63  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:37:42am

You don't understand. The man on the ground was once forced to wear panties on his head by a female American guard. To erase this awful memory which was seared (SEARED mind you) into his mind, a kindly, merciful Muslim 'Good Samaritan' is putting him out of his misery. It brings tears to my eyes.

13 Athos  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:40:50am

Powerline is also on the case of the AP - this time over their coverage of the SecDef's visit to Mosul and take a gratuitous slap at the SecDef (shouldn't this call for a flag and the penalty of piling on?) -

The questions from the troops for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld were considerably more friendly on his Christmas Eve visit to Iraq than they were on his previous trip to the region a couple of weeks ago.

Two weeks ago at a forward base in Kuwait, a handful of soldiers openly challenged him about inadequate equipment and long deployments.

Rumsfeld cut off their complaints by saying, "You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you might want or wish to have." That set off a wave of criticism of the defense chief's brusque manner.

The Powerline post also mentions the item I mentioned in yeterday's thread about the blatant lie told about a Bush campaign appearance in Wisconsin. They note that the AP has ever corrected or apologized for the story.

14 Hari Seldon  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:42:49am

i must confess though, if the picture were reverse (ie iraqi election workers killing jihadists) iit would be a differtn story

15 ted  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:45:36am

To even debate the guilt of AP , Reuters, WAPO NYT, the MSM is a waste of time...
They are guilty as charged:

YES AP knew murders would be committed

YES AP knew well in advance

Yes AP conspired with the murderers

YES AP couldve notified the American military but didnt

YES AP could have saved these mens lives but didnt

Yes AP will lie like dogs denying the whole thing

YES AP will do it again

No need for nuance second guessing claims etc

It is what it is

16 chu totoro  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:47:18am

I don't know that anyone wants to wade thru Wretchards comments, but here is one important (IMHO) thing he said:
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The real value of this blog is that it encourages readers to contribute their opinions. The process of thinking through a situation, writing out an opinion and then discovering that it is no worse and frequently better than the stuff dished out by talking heads is a powerfully liberating experience. It is the process, not necessarily the result that is really subversive.The longer it goes on the more dangerous the revolution becomes. Someone compared the rise of the Internet to the invention of the printing press. When books were the province of a few you could only come to knowledge through someone else. When books became common, people could learn for themselves, which put quite a few mediocrities out of business. Doubtless there will be those, as happens with people who interpret scripture do-it-yourself, who will get it all cockeyed. But on the whole mass produced books were a good thing.

There are some who are shocked, shocked at the act of a private person musing out loud about what seems like a staged photograph. 'How dare you, how dare you raise these questions'. Yet to those who grew up on the Internet, this attitude is puzzling in the extreme. It's a natural as breathing, a wholly differen tradition.

There must be hundreds of sites out there saying I'm a jerk. So what? This blog is just a meme, that's all. I am nothing. I don't even have a name. There must be zillions out there who disagree with my ideas. But so what? If my ideas are wrong they'll die. If they are right, not even I can stop them. Scary when you think of it. But I forget that people out there in the old media have got a conciousness of status which they value. Some may subconciously think of yours miserably truly as a one of them wannabe. I can't even aspire to what I don't understand. Merry Christmas everybody.

17 Baier  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:49:01am

I think that the AP needs to explain how this photo came about. This is one of the problems with media giants; one has little place else to turn for news. This is why I love blogs, gotta keep the media a little honest.

18 Right Brain  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:51:52am

The photograph has a bit of curvature to it meaning it was shot with a lens under 50mm, and thus very close, the attackers are ignoring the photographer who could not have been more than forty feet away.

19 theheat  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:52:12am

AP-Gate!

It's high time the media was held accountable for the noxious shit they spread and the hate they incite under the white flag of jounralism.

AP has been a terrorist puppet long enough. They need their nose rubbed in it.

20 Catttt  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:53:41am

SPOT ON Charles, Belmont Club Powerline, Mr. Simon, et al!

Maybe we should see whether Fadil al-Badrani was in the area. During the Fallujah battle, he had bi-lines on photos of terrorists setting up and firing weapons on the street in Fallujah - there is no way he could have been there without their consent. He has also bi-lined photos of terrorist cells inside buildings, during terrorist meetings, and in posed positions, with weapons, where it was obvious he was an inside man. I'm sure he's not the only "photographer" or "reporter" with terrorist connections.

21 Intestinal Fortitude  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:53:57am

OT

Did anybody hear about Rummy taking a box of matches from a Marine, which came from a dead insurgent?

To top that, he also accepted a cigar that was taken from saddam's stash!

I'm appalled at Rummy for accepting these so called spoils of war, when there are more important things to worry about like armoring vehicles.

/moonbat off

22 ted  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:58:25am

16 Very true...Today i had my usual argument with my brother on Iraq,GWB etc i told him i used to classify him here as a semi-moonbat...told him i was being too generous and it was a mistake by giving him he benefit of the doubt i have reclassified him as a L3 moonbat...he buys into the whole MSM thing[he's a former journalism student,surprise !], even though he became a businessman he still is a lefty, Jeez !

23 Catttt  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:58:51am

#21 Intestinal Fortitude

ROFL.

(lights a Camel)

24 mickthemick  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:59:29am

AP is atrocious. They clearly have people working for the terror networks. They should purge their ranks.

25 Ozyman  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 10:05:36am

AP tries to explain it here: AP on its Iraqi photographers and insurgents

26 zombie  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 10:07:29am

Not to toot my own horn or anything, but I posted a link to this exact photograph here on LGF (as an OT comment) within an hour of its release by AP, about a week ago. And there was some discussion on that thread on this very topic -- how did the photographer get that photo and survive? The mainstream media has been completely infiltrated and compromised by the terrorists, and shold now be regarded as enemy combatants.

27 DocDublU  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 10:07:32am

OT

To the LGF regulars, trolls, lurkers and minions, and especially to Charles, Merry Christmas to you all ,and to all a good night. Off to SoCal for a sandy and warm yuletide. Safe travels to you everyone. bw

28 FloridaHeat  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 10:11:09am
SPOT ON Charles, Belmont Club Powerline, Mr. Simon, et al!

I'll second that.

HOW DARE the MSM LIE to us!

HOW DARE THEY ALLOW themselves to be tools of the enemy!

Thank God for Charles and the rest. They are the true freedom fighters in this war.

29 eXcel  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 10:13:11am

The idiots in America and Europe who think we are immune to this kind of thing better wake up.

30 little old engineer  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 10:13:18am


What is wrong with these people, like the Associated Press? It is like they hate the United States and anything that might make the US’s job harder they are willing do it. They do not care about freedom or honor or peace. Their only wish is to show the worst that can come from the human race.


The people in Iraq have never known what it is to be free. The have suffered for over 1500 years. They were forced into the current religion or they would be put to death.


For over a thousand years they have been told to hate and die for their god. When we went into Iraq their army gave up and did not want to fight. Has anyone ask why? Has anyone thought about what they (the people of Iraq) would fight for?


So now, we have the Associated Press helping our enemy. I can see they do not want the Iraq people to be free.


There should be something we could do to fix this.


Merry Christmas

31 zombie  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 10:15:23am

I don't think it reveals too much about me to say: I have worked as a stringer for AP, and the people to blame in this case, and in all cases with AP, are the editors. All sorts of stories and photos pour into the offices from stringers and regular reporters. It is the editors who really piece the stories togther, and who decide what is worth releasing to the public. AP probably gets hundreds of images from both sides of the conflict in Iraq every day, from all sorts of sources. It is the editorial decision to release propagandistic images helping the terrorists that merits criticism.

32 mickthemick  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 10:21:05am

#25 ozyman (from the link)

Insurgents want their stories told as much as other people

It's unbelievable that AP really justifies their policies this way. So-called "insurgents" murdering election officials in cold blood in the middle of the street for all to see is a "message" that should be to the world? If the AP had any values whatsoever they would be putting words like thug and terrorist into their captions instead of gunman or militant. How can AP defend this kind of blatent tyranny and thuggery as a "story" that must be told? This is just beyond comprehension.

33 [Engineer]  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 10:24:00am

A quote from a war a hundred years ago , but still true today.

"Reporters are spies and should be shot by supper, but they would only be sending their dispatches from hell by breakfast". -General Sherman
34 bigel[deleted]  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 10:45:03am
35 Amos (Zionist Minion)  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 10:46:44am

Such incidents are the reason no high level US officials should let the press know in advance when they go into dangerous spots. The MSM will tip the terrorists off for an exclusive scoop of an American official being snuffed (also for ideological reasons, but mainly for the sccop).

Had the press known about Rummy's surprise visit, the DHL plane would not have been the only one fired on.

36 Amos (Zionist Minion)  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 10:48:18am

#34 bigel,

This may well be. However, VDH's prose flows more smoothly, and makes him an easier read.

37 zombie  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 10:55:52am
#26 zombie
I posted a link to this exact photograph here on LGF (as an OT comment)

Found it:

original zombie posting on these execution photos, from Dec. 19.

38 Gambisin  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 10:56:32am

#25 From your link:
"Insurgents want their stories told as much as other people and some are willing to let Iraqi photographers take their pictures. It's important to note, though, that the photographers are not "embedded" with the insurgents. They do not have to swear allegiance or otherwise join up philosophically with them just to take their pictures."

So why is AP concentrating on them and ignoring everybody else, like for example the soldiers who keep complaining they can't seem to get any of their good works covered?

"They do not have to swear allegiance or otherwise join up philosophically with them just to take their pictures."

Really? Haven't these "insurgents" sworn to kill any unbeliever or anyone who has not actively opposed both the US and the new Iraqi government? Haven't the "insurgents" demonstrated that they do, in fact, kill even innocent bystanders who happen to be in the wrong place? They have also proven that they enforce the "either you're with us or against us" policy with a vengence.
Also, aren't images, like photographs, against Islam?

39 RadioMattM  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 11:01:40am

#35 Amos (Zionist Minion)

Such incidents are the reason no high level US officials should let the press know in advance when they go into dangerous spots.

And when the US does not tell the press, the press has a fit about having their first amendment right trampled on.

40 Catttt  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 11:05:48am

Zombie's stuff is far superior to the MSM dreck.


AIPEC meeting thread

In particular, from the above thread, check out the counterprotesters chanting "Racist sexist anti-gay: Islamofascists go away." I love that.

41 bj  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 11:06:01am

I've noticed when al-ap articles with pictures are in our local paper, the photographer's name isn't listed yet I've seen the names on those very same pictures when they're on the internet. Odd ...

42 Catttt  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 11:12:44am

41 bj

True.

On a related issue, I found a picture of Iraqi terrorists, from several months ago, posing with a piece of US equipment (a drone that had gone missing) that had been downed. The picture was interior, had tons of terrorists with their weapons posing around the drone, and had guess who's byline - Fadil al-Badrani. This picture was on a pdf file from a rabidly anti-American site, and I could not find it anywhere else.

Hmmm.

43 [Engineer]  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 11:16:55am

#39 RadioMattM

And when the US does not tell the press, the press has a fit about having their first amendment right trampled on.

Right. The First Amendment says the people have a right to publish what they will. In no way does it give anybody a right to any information. Nobody, including the President, is forced to talk to the press. Nor does the press have a right to come on private property to get a story.

44 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 11:18:09am

Michael Savage called media people like this "Mind Sluts". It's a good description.

45 bj  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 11:26:14am

This is a media site getting the "insurgent" stories out with all the exaggerated incorrect info. There's stuff like this all over the terrorist web sites and islamic forum message boards for them to gloat over. On and on and on it goes like a never ending story ...

Link

Iraqi Resistance Report for events of Tuesday, 21 December 2004. Translated and/or compiled by Muhammad Abu Nasr, member editorial board The Free Arab Voice.

Tuesday, 21 December 2004.

Al-Fallujah.

Bloody fighting in al-Fallujah on Tuesday.

The neighborhoods of an-Nazal, al-‘Askari, and al-Jubayl began their day on Tuesday under a hail of American container bombs, each releasing hundreds of anti-personnel cluster bombs. The US forces also unleashed barrages of missiles on the same neighborhoods of the defiant city as well. The American bomb raids and barrages lasted from 6:30am until just before noon local time.

Two columns of US forces entered al-Fallujah on Tuesday. The first column consisted of more than 70 various military vehicles, including tanks, armored vehicles, and Humvees. It came into the city at 9am under heavy US air escort. The second American column consisted of more than 80 US military vehicles of various types as well, and it entered the city at 11:30am Tuesday local time. The columns came to al-Fallujah from the east on International Highway No. 1.

46 RedWhiteAndJew  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 11:26:39am

I am not a professional photographer, but I am a serious amateur. I also go armed (all nice and legal in about 15 states) most of the time when I'm out in public. If I came upon a scene like this, my choice of shot to take would have been lead, not film, based.

Damn animals. The only thing to do with them is put them down.

And how do these "impartial" media types sleep at night?

47 SpiritOf1683  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 11:27:45am

Why do they describe them as militants? For God's sakes, they're not striking miners.

48 zombie  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 11:29:04am
#40 Cattt
Zombie's stuff is far superior to the MSM dreck.

LOL -- maybe a bit of an overstatement, but at least I don't infuse every photo with a moonbat agenda! It IS possible to cover the bad guys, to let them "tell their side of the story," and still allow them to appear as morally bankrupt as they actually are. Let them hang themselves.

49 bj  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 11:32:26am

English link

Hope that link came through this time. I have the English translation but would hate to post it here .. it's long .. sent it to FOX early this morning.

50 zombie  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 11:32:45am
#46 RedWhiteAndJew
I am not a professional photographer, but I am a serious amateur.

Then I encourage you to become a zombie yourself and document the news wherever you encounter it, and post it online. I want to be the spark that ignites a citizens' counter-revolution in news, to create a viable alternative to the totally corrupted "oldstream" media.

51 SpiritOf1683  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 11:36:33am

#45 bj

The media is the media. They're on the side of 0our enemy. For them, getting an anti-Coalition stoiry is what they live for. Undermining the West that featherbeds them is whatthey live for. Could you imagine the effects if todays treacherous LLLs had been born 65 years earlier. Hitler would have been rolling in clover.

52 SpiritOf1683  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 11:41:20am

#4 Kragar

The Fwench probably work with terrorists :(

53 SpiritOf1683  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 11:45:04am

#30 Little old engineer

What is wrong with these people, like the Associated Press? It is like they hate the United States and anything that might make the US’s job harder they are willing do it. They do not care about freedom or honor or peace. Their only wish is to show the worst that can come from the human
race.

The Associated Press DO hate the United States.

54 voletti  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 11:46:16am

MEanwhile, for those who want to poncer what self-delusion the muslim world is under, check out this article from puke-istan's (oops, pakistan's) Dawn newspaper columnist Ayaz Amir:

[Link: www.dawn.com...]

These being the canards being spread, you can imagine what's happening.

Isolation puts into bolder relief the astonishing feats of the Iraqi resistance. If there is any frontline of heroism in the world today it is Iraq, its people up in arms against an occupation no less brutal in method or evil in intent than the Nazi occupation of Europe during the Second World War.
f Iraq had indeed turned out to be a cakewalk and not a quagmire, does anyone think the war party in Washington, allied closely in spirit to the state of Israel, would have stopped there? That next in line wouldn't have been Syria and Iran? And after that who knows. America's imperial march has hit a snag in Iraq for which the rest of us should be grateful.
55 Orson Buggy  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 12:05:26pm

Ayaz Amir needs to check the load in his hookah. I think there is some camel shit in there.

56 Smartalice  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 12:12:03pm

[Link: www.newseum.org...]

This link is Eddie Adams himself describing why he regretted taking the infamous picture. Listen and see what you think.

In the same vein, I agree the photographer has a lot of explaining to do and there is no excuse worthy of keeping their identity secret.

I have a degree in photojournalism from arguably the best pj school in the country and I was taught to never ever broker deals for exclusives. However, this goes beyond a "deal." In fact I smell a set up and to me, not naming the photographer is damning. Even worse, they may be an accessory to murder.

For the Associated Press, this is not an ethical dilemma, this was cold blooded murder and you had a hand in it. Shame on you and I would love to see you in a court trying to explain ethics of news gathering to the relatives.

57 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 12:19:26pm

I just read the powerline article linked at the top here. Wow. Go read it. Hear that the AP guys encouraged the mutilation of the bodies of the 4 American contractors in Fallajuh, to get footage. Despicable beyond belief. Rotten Scum. Seamless Collaborators. To hell with them, to the very bottom of hell. And I'm not going to believe AP on anything ever anymore.

58 little old engineer  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 12:27:55pm


#53 Spiritof1683


The more I read, about all of these things that are happening in the world it seems that MSM are falling along with the Democrats in prestige and truthfulness. Look what has happen in Washington State. They found the number of votes they wanted. The Democrats count and count till they get the results they want. They do not care about what the people want.


It sure looks like the MSM are against freedom. How can they live like that?

59 aRedPhishHead  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 12:38:42pm

It is truly, truly terrifying to realize that this is considered one of the most credible and reputable news services in the world. It makes me want to vomit.

60 blogaddict  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 4:55:15pm

Vile. But nothing new, unfortunately. Remember the interview with Mike Wallace and Peter Jennings in 1989? For those who aren't familiar with it, here's a summary from [Link: www.weeklystandard.com...] :

Take the notorious comments from Mike Wallace of CBS's "60 Minutes" and ABC's Peter Jennings on "Under Orders, Under Fire," which ran as part of a 1989 PBS series on "Ethics in America." Wallace and Jennings were presented with a hypothetical scenario in which they were behind enemy lines covering an enemy unit that was preparing to ambush American troops. The moderator, Charles Ogletree, asked them if they would film the attack, or try to warn the Americans. At first, Jennings said that he "would do what I could to warn the Americans." But Wallace disagreed, saying that "some other reporters . . . would regard it simply as another story that they are there to cover." Following up on this, Ogletree pressed Wallace: "Don't you have a higher duty as an American citizen to do all that you can to save the lives of soldiers rather than this journalistic ethic of reporting the facts?" To which Wallace replied, "No, you don't have the higher duty to, no, no. You're a reporter, your job is to cover what is going on in that war." Jennings then changed his mind, saying, "I think he's right, too. I've chickened out."

61 EE  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 5:36:20pm

Without the presence of the photographer, and the person interpreting the scene with the appropriate lesson that the terrorists want the public to learn, the killings of the election workers would have little effect, and the terrorists would not have been able to send the message of intimidation that they wanted sent.

Without the killings, the scene photographed by the AP photographer and explained by the reporter would not have such value to the AP.

There is a symbiotic, mutually helpful relationship between the terrorists and the AP, each assisting the other. Neither could be as effective without the other. You could say that they are partners, fully committed to aiding and abetting each other, and acting in every way to aid and abet each other.

62 geezer  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 7:04:36pm

here we see a picture of the mid east--cowards on the ground--cowards with the guns--cowards in the cars--coward behind the camera. to say one of our guys blood is worth spilling for this collected pile of camel dung is absolutely obscene.

63 pabanks46  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 8:10:03pm

Niiice... isn't targeting civilians a war-crime? Just asking...

64 mich-again  Fri, Dec 24, 2004 9:26:23pm

I say we arm every Iraqi who makes the courageous decision to work for the Iraqi National Authority an armed deputy with the clearance for using lethal force. We can not let those working with us to down without a fight.

65 foreign devil  Sat, Dec 25, 2004 1:46:30am

How did they know, with that amount of traffic, that he'd be in that particular car and it would slow down at that particular moment to allow them to pull him out and execute him?

And how did the photographer know they'd all be there at that particular moment?

Yeees! It raises a lot of questions, doesn't it?

66 Sean II  Sat, Dec 25, 2004 3:10:49am

I have come to the conclusion that there is no hope for this scourge, the Arab culture is beyond repair, it is nothing more than a "cancer" on this planet, F**k the multi-culti's and their fantasy on-world love fest!

67 tckurd  Sat, Dec 25, 2004 4:05:44am

where the heck is my hat tip?

68 Trumanite  Sat, Dec 25, 2004 4:09:31am
#56 Smartalice In fact I smell a set up and to me, not naming the photographer is damning. Even worse, they may be an accessory to murder.

Exactly the relevant point.

69 sms111  Sat, Dec 25, 2004 5:12:34am

#1 Athos

Ernie Pyle has to be spinning in his grave over the actions of the AP, UPI, as well as the rest of the MSM.

The unelected, unqualified members of the MSM are trying to put their friends into power, maintain existing power of their friends, or seize power themselves over the peoples of the world.

As in any unelected power-mongering group, the MSM as we know it must be destroyed.

This is starting to happen.

70 Ben B  Sat, Dec 25, 2004 5:27:21am

Not at OT as it seems

I found this page, a Buddhist view of the ROP, very helpful: [Link: www.geocities.com...]

71 rcris5  Sat, Dec 25, 2004 10:06:09am

Need to expand the rules of engagement to include hostile photorats.

72 Tim in PA  Sun, Dec 26, 2004 8:35:36am

I don't think AP has any explaining to do at all. Well, not any more than the terrorists do. They're the enemy; that pretty much sums it up. They fit into the "shoot on sight" category.

73 infidel Alan  Mon, Dec 27, 2004 10:42:37am

#70 the Buddist view of the ROP should be required reading--we are at war with all Islamic true believers


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