Thank you Charles!

Donating to this feels much better than just putting a magnet ribbon on the back of my SUV. THANK YOU CHARLES! We'll never know how many lives/arms/legs/eyes, etc. will be saved by this effort.

Sorry to go OT so soon

GOP Formally Asks Giuliani to Beat Hillary

Charles...

Sorry about being off-topic, but this article is a must-read in a sobering way. We've been hearing about the demographic inversion -- well, the author pulls several positions together into a comprehensive whole.

GoatGuy

Latvia will lose 44 percent of its population by 2050 as a result of demographic trends. In Estonia, the population is expected to shrink by 52 percent, in Bulgaria 36 percent, in Ukraine 35 percent, and in Russia 30 percent.

Goatguy, Were they in the fallout path from Chernobyl

/not serious, really.

I love PayPal.
Made my donation. I hope that it helps save lives.
God bless all our military personnel.

#3 tomet

GOP Formally Asks Giuliani to Beat Hillary

With what... a bat?

I'm absolutely positive that the liberals who have been wailing and gnashing teeth over armor for our troops will be delighted to donate massively to the fund. Just you wait and see.

I'm in! Thanks for the link Charles!

#7 AlphaMu42

LOL

Those troops should have had a surplus of armor in Iraq. It's disgusting how the ugly left exploit the injured and dead. But more people on the right should be absolutely PISSED that money still must be raised for more armor. When the seargent asked Rumsfeld about the "armor issue" last month - he may have been reading a question fed to him from a meddlesome reporter - but the troops cheered. But I'll donate.

Donated.

#7 Alpha Mu42 -- " "GOP Formally Asks Giuliani to Beat Hillary"

With what... a bat?"

No, with a clue by four.

OT - UN dishonesty about disaster relief - Breathtaking

UN tries to take the credit for the Good Work of Others.

Linked from Instapundit.

#1 AG

..good show 'ol chappie!

Ed's a good man, I've been listening to him & a fan for a long time.

ak(in Houston)

Thanks for bringing that blog to my attention AG in Houston.

#8 Model 4 -

I'm absolutely positive that the liberals who have been wailing and gnashing teeth over armor for our troops will be delighted to donate massively to the fund.

You mean actually DO something! That's the government's job you right-wing nut.

/ lip-service liberal

I don't understand.

El Presidente has $15 Billion for African AIDS because Africans cannot keep their pants zipped.

El Presidente has $1 Billion for Zunami "victims" most of whom hate our guts and would saw-off our heads if given half a chance.

Tens of Billions are wasted on Iraq "reconstruction", ie stolen by Iraqi "leaders".

Hundreds of Billions wasted on totally useless Homeland boondoggle department that still prohibits any extra checking of young male Moslem travelers.

1300+ of our best and brightest are killed, 15000 are wounded and President OpenBorders cannot find money to pay for needed hardware?

I feel so shtoopid having voted for that simpleton, but then I look at the traitor from Boston...

It's a nice idea, as is anything that promotes troop health & welfare.
I would urge people to task their legislators with giving the President and DOD a freer hand in prosecuting this war- that means more money (for armor, among other issues), and even (gasp) a draft.

#18, Mik. Don't hold back, your nihlisn is is like a shining light to oblivion.

Sorry OT

But did anyone else get an email today about the story in World Net Daily on Jimmy Carter and his relationship with the guy in the US charged in the Oil for Food scandal?

How is the tragic story in this link related to the notion that our troops do not have adequate armor? Maybe I'm missing something here.

I am all for donating to support the war effort (as I have and continue to do), but this story is not making sense to me.

OT but here's an example of the BBC's bias -

'Salvador Option' mooted for Iraq' - 27 January 2005

"With no end to the Iraq conflict in sight, some US military strategists have been considering tactics used during the civil war in El Salvador, a brutal and bloody campaign that lasted for years...

The BBC correspondent goes on to accuse the U.S. of having used death squads in El Salvador, which may or may not be true... but then treats the allegation that death squads will be used in Iraq as truth.

Well, Newsweek did have an article making this claim on 8 January 2005 which can be found here:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6802629/site/newsweek/

But the BBC doesn't even bother to mention the denial made by Mr. Rumsfeld on the 11th of January... which Newsweek itself includes.

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report, initially published on Jan. 8, was updated on Jan. 10 to include Negroponte's comments to NEWSWEEK.
And at a news conference on Jan. 11, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said the idea of a Salvador option was "nonsense" and denied that U.S. Special Forces were going into Syria. But when asked whether such a policy was under consideration, he replied, "Why would I even talk about something like that?"

Doesn't anybody do ANY fact checking or examination for bias at the BBC anymore?

Considering how huge the defense budget is and the plethora of fancy weapons, planes and ships we have, as well as perks for the brass, it's amazing that the Pentagon can't come up with the small change and the will for some armor. It's shameful that people are being dunned for this when multibillions are being squandered elsewhere. I won't hold the Pentagon accountable for failing to forsee the need at first but after 1.75 years, give me a break. Of course, only a liberal traitor jihad supporter would dare criticize Rumsfeld or the Pentagon, so I'll blame Kennedy and Kerry for this!

Lokki

LOL! No one bothers to check ANY MSM LIES except the bloggers. Well maybe a few conservative voices, but- none of the MAIN- MAINSTREAM MEDIA.

#17 David Simon
You mean that in spite of the hundreds of billions the Pentagon gets, that someone is some sort of pinko because they believe it's the Pentagon's job to provide the armor. You people are brainwashed, it's the Pentagon's job and they have the funds and the expertise to do it. What's next, a food drive for the troops because the Pentagon can't afford to feed them in order to develop yet another never used system. Go check out the Pentagon budget for automatically churning out some RRR* comment

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Jakester -

I don't know what happened to you to cause you to snap in such a spectacular fashion, but consider what is most remarkable about this WoT(MA) -

We the people have not been asked by the government to donate anything, sacrifice anything, tighten our belts, buy war bonds, etc.

That's actually astonishing. The Pentagon is armoring these vehicles, but what's wrong with people chipping in extra?

Hello to everyone! I am a longtime LGF lurker, and had to comment on this story.

Cpl. Casey Owens, shown in the photo on the Lone Star Times blog, is a childhood friend of one of my best friends. (In the photo, he is saluting during the National Anthem at President Bush's inauguration.) We have had him in our prayers for so long, and it is truly a miracle that he is alive and is doing so well. He is a true hero!

I would like to encourage everyone to check out Casey's website that his sister LezLeigh regularly updates with news about his progress. It is an amazing story about courage, strength, and the grace of God. There is a guestbook link at the bottom of the website. It would be wonderful if everyone at LGF could send Casey a message of thanks!

[Link: www3.caringbridge.org...]

TexasSecurityMom (Houston, TX)

#20)

gymnast: your nihilism is is like a shining light to oblivion.

That's downright quotable.

TexasSecurityMom-

Will do!

IIRC, with the capacity in place at the time of the Rumsfeld/planted question kerfuffle the retrofitting of Humvees was to be completed by March.

What gives?

OT - Female Muslim Entertainer Faces Threats

Deepika Thathaal, or Deeyah, was born in Norway of mixed Asian roots. Her father got her into music and has supported her throughout her career. All was going well until she dared to show a little skin — and that’s when the threats started.

#26

Right fucking on, Jakester. Rumsfeld you smug prick-you've got blood on your hands.

TexasSecurityMom

DONE! Thanks for giving us the link and may God bless you and your family

#32 madawaskan

Thanks so much! I know that it will lift Casey's spirits.

Can garnier be banned yet?

I'm all for suppoerting the troops in any way possible, so I am not criticising this fund.

However, I have read on a mil-blog comments form some soldiers that up-armouring Humvees is a red-herring. They point out that the Humvee was the replacement for the jeep, and should not be thought of as an armoured personel carrier. If you put all that extra armour on a Humvee, you make it slower, reduce it's payload and increase the chance that it will break down. The result could be as many, or possible more, casualties.

While I disagree with Jakester's point of view, and recent his comment "You people are brainwashed", I do agree that it is the Pentagon's job to fund the troops. And by extension, it is the job of Congress to fund the Pentagon. So maybe that is where we should devote our efforts? Bush asked for $80 billion more for the military budget. Maybe the US congress should add even more to that.

38 Thom

LOL! LOL! awww isn't amusing?

I don't get it. Maybe it's because I'm a Brit. Shouldn't extra armour for troops be supplied by the Army? The Army of the richest country in the world? The Army that is fighting the war on terror for that government? If the troops need armour then the the Army should supply it and the government buy it.

Isn't this exactly what your tax dollars are for?

Dave Ray-

No. Our tax dollars support things like the UN, and public schools that teach our children about Islam.

#39 Kenneth

I agree - everyone should talk to his/her Congress person today. I think that it is pathetic that our troops, men and women I wholly support, need this level of assistance - it's pathetic and it should be embarassing to our Congress and the Pentagon (it does allocate its own budget afterall). These brave men and women are in the US military for G-ds sake...

We Will Allow No One To Deprive Us Of Our Rights

A compilation of Iraqi election commercials.  I predict that they will fill your heart with hope for democracy in Iraq.

#39 Kenneth

Thank you!

Humvees were not intended to be armored personnel carriers!

Why do so many people fail to grasp that point?

W-Lover:

Aaaah the usual things then...but seriously...it's a bit depressing where the good charity of citizens is providing much needed armour rather than the army of the richest country in the world.

Thought provoking article from Tech Central Station linked by NRO "The Corner" about the role of the socialist welfare state in the decline/Islamification of Europe.

Go to any child-care store in Vienna. Its clients will be predominantly Arabic, Iranian, Pakistani, Turkish, Japanese, Korean, and Black African. Viennese women never bear children -- they cherish their figures and careers instead. The Western-European pension systems made the bringing up of children less advantageous than social climbing and maximization of income."

I recommend it.

#46 Dave Ray

Charity?

It's called patriotism.

And what makes you think the Pentagon is sitting on its thumb re this issue?

The MSM?

Oh yeah ...

39 Kenneth

Right about the HMMWV regarding payload.

$700 for an armor kit can only possibly provide for steel, and most likely not high hardness steel which is what the "Up-armored" HMMWV's are being outfitted w/ stateside. And even HH steel is very vulnerable to IEDs.

Composite armor kits, which are much more appropriate from a payload point of view are much, much more expensive.

If someone has more detail about the quality of solution that $700 provides, I'll be happy to acknowledge how much a little donation can do.

One can always count on nihlism when the overipe eggplant (#35) shows up. Does he hate himself as much as he hates the USA? Who cares.

Thom:

C'mon. Pull the other one. If the Pentagon were on top of the job there'd be no need for this appeal...and it is charity, a charitible donation to a good cause is very noble...even patriotic...but the Government should be footing this bill.

#51 Dave Ray

It's called citizens going the extra mile.

Sheesh. No wonder Europe is going down the shitter if you can't grasp this.

I won't blame Rumsfeld for the lack of armor on some vehicles. I agree with his "You go to war with the army you have". But Jakester's right: somebody somewhere fucked up. There is absolutely no excuse for a shortage of armored Humvees this late into the war.

I could almost be persuaded by Kenneth's point that the Humvee was never intended to be an APC. It's true, but it ignores the question of why the DOD is still upgrading if the upgrade isn't necessary in the first place. Likewise the "This is not a real issue, the MSM are exaggerating again" mantra. If there's no lack of armor, what do we need to donate for?

Feh. Well, it certainly beats wearing a yellow ribbon as a way to show support. Now if only we could donate to a fund to equip our boys with rifles in a non-varmint caliber. Bring back the .308!

#53 suleimanajic

Lon Horiuchi hasn't shot my wife in the head yet.

Are you disappointed?

#44 Buck

Absolutely wonderful…thank you for that link.

Thom:

"It's called citizens going the extra mile."

If they want to go the "extra mile" then how about sending packages of gifts, letters and other things that the government can't really offer? Make the troops feel appreciated and loved from afar. Paying for their armour is the responsibility of the Pentagon.

"Sheesh. No wonder Europe is going down the shitter if you can't grasp this."

If patriotism is judged by buying armour then your right I don't grasp it. British troops were badly equipped at the beginning of the current campaign, there was a public outcry and the correct equipment was then supplied and is still being supplied. The money was there to be taken out of the warchest set aside by the government.

The best plan is to get the equipment right in the first place, second best is the government rectifying it immediately.

#56 Dave Ray

If they want to go the "extra mile" then how about sending packages of gifts, letters and other things that the government can't really offer? Make the troops feel appreciated and loved from afar.

What makes you think they aren't? Why does this have to be an either-or proposition?

If patriotism is judged by buying armour then your right I don't grasp it.

{sigh} You crazy Eurabians ...

#53, Suleimanjac. Yesterday I asked you if you could perhaps tell me the caliber of the mafia's weapon of choice when they wanted someone to get dead. You have yet to respond, or do you not know?

No. Our tax dollars support things like the UN, and public schools that teach our children about Islam.

LOL, good stuff.
 

Thom,
If the impression that the Pentagon is sitting on its thumbs is some MSM conjurer's job, then why are we donating for armor which the Pentagon should have supplied a year ago? Maybe the MSM is not as dumb or deceitful as the Pentagon in this case.

Thom:

I'll take it as one of those "cultural" differences then...but reading some of the other comments on here there are US citizens who are less "patriotic" than you and have reservations about doing the Pentagons job.

Heres the latest from Teddy Kennedy

“The U.S. military presence has become part of the problem, not part of the solution,” Kennedy said in remarks prepared for delivery at Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies. “We need a new plan that sets fair and realistic goals for self-government in Iraq, and works with the Iraqi government on a specific timetable for the honorable homecoming of our forces.”

Mary Jo Kopechnie could not be reached for comment

With the BBC running air support, there is a major worldwide blog contest going on here.

It figures that Wonket is up for Best American Blog. What else would you expect from something the BBC would stick its nose into -- Lastnightsbbc?

Nominations seem to be closed, I think. Unless someone can see a way in, I don't think LGF can get its due.

Dave Ray,
you got to wonder sometimes. Wasn't it the British who called the M4 Sherman the Ronson?

#61 Dave Ray

I'm not donating either, and, yes, it's the Pentagon's job.

I was just trying to explain why some people would want to do extra. I think it's admirable. You seem to regard as unfathomable.

Cultural difference indeed!

#44 Buck

Thank you so much for a glimpse of the future in Iraq. I have tears in my eyes.

Maybe we need to use more half tracks and Bradleys instead! They are right, the extra armor will cause a lot of problems for the Humvee!

I donate my money for armor because I want to save a Brave Soldier's life, I don't care what the pentagon does or doesn't do, I just know that I did my part and that folk's is called "patriotism".

Thom

ignore him-- he CANNOT grasp the idea of ANYTHING being done without gov't being involved. He seems to think that gov' is the eternal tit- and if gov't isn't doing ALL for EVERYONE- then no need to get involved in any way other than criticizing the gov't. He is a whiner not a doer. And he thinks gov't is supposed to fix ANYTHING that HE THINKS NEEDS FIXED. LOL! WHo cares if he lives in oblivion- just thank God we don't!

Jakester:

Yep they called it the Ronson...and the German's called it the Tommy Cooker...a death-trap.

Thom:

I understand peoples wish to lend a hand and to do the patriotic thing. What I find unfathomable is that the Pentagon should've solved this problem. If they'd kept their eyes on the ball and done the job properly there'd be no need for this appeal. I really can't understand why it isn't the governments job to step in and say "we'll take the burden of the cost here, it's our fault".

eeevil conservative:

If you were a true conservative you'd be appalled that after paying all those tax dollars to fund the war against terror...that the money isn't enough to cover basic armour for vehicles in a war zone.

It isn't the citizen's responsibility to fix problems caused by government mistakes that he's paying for. I'm not suggesting the government is a fix all organisation...but when it's their responsibility...it's their job.

The problem with Humvees is not the armor, per se, but the mission. Soldiers patrol in humvees so they can show some face in the neighborhood. In most places in Iraq, this is relatively safe to do. In a few places, like the Sunni triangle, it is risky, as it makes for a soft target. They could put the soldiers in tanks & APC's, bu then they would loose out in contact with the population. It's harder to interact in a freindly way from inside an Abrams. This is just one of the difficulties of winning the peace. The challenge is to find the right mix of armor vs exposure to protect the troops and get the mission done.

Just doing the math. According to the article, there were 100 humvees, 6 with armor, which leaves 94. 94 x $700 = $65800

(putting on can-do hat)

Ought to be able to do that in a couple of days. At $25 apiece, that would only need 2632 people. There are 2032 online while I type. I'm just saying.

#70 Dave Ray:

The US supplied 17,181 medium tanks to Britain under Lend-Lease in WWII. If you can find a paid receipt around somewhere, perhaps you can get your money back.

It's down at the bottom right.

...forwarded to me...

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OT

Post from The Diplomad on the UNs valiant effort to effect the aid to the tsunami victims. What ever would we do without jan egeland's superior coordination and leadership?

These UN pukes make my blood boil.

PS re #74:

You'll note, if you read the article, that Britain had only 146 medium and cruiser tanks at the beginning of World War II, so those extra 17,181 probably came in handy...

andthenblammo:

...and they were most appreciated, they just had a terrible reputation for being engulfed almost instantly in flames once hit.

#54 Thom

Give him time. He's a civil servant, and thus does not know the meaning of "We need it done today". Perhaps if you were to pick up a baby...

#58 gymnast

I was just ignoring the question. Pretty much the same way I'm doing now.

so, the sergeant who asked rummy that question about the humvees was RIGHT? and now it takes civilian contributions over and above my taxes to furnish this armor?

that's ridiculous.

i mean, it's a nice idea and all, but come on.

Well, this is interesting:

SEC. 112. UP-ARMORED HIGH MOBILITY MULTI-PURPOSE WHEELED VEHICLES OR WHEELED VEHICLE BALLISTIC ADD-ON ARMOR PROTECTION.

(a) AMOUNT- Of the amount authorized to be appropriated for the Army for fiscal year 2005 for other procurement under section 101(5), $610,000,000 shall be available for both of the purposes described in subsection (b) and may be used for either or both of such purposes.

(b) PURPOSES- The purposes referred to in subsection (a) are as follows:

(1) The procurement of up-armored high mobility multi-purpose wheeled vehicles at a rate up to 450 such vehicles each month.

(2) The procurement of wheeled vehicle ballistic add-on armor protection.

So, 450 is the limit anyways ?

LLL's response to this? Not one damn dime!

#4 GoatGuy

Doesn’t look good for Europe.

How about a fund to develop helipcopters that can fly in sandstorms. I thought we were flying troops more to keep them out of humvee fireballs and there go 31 of our best just trying to get there and do their job.

And here I blamed Djhimmah Carter for the disastrous Desert One mission to Iran when the choppers crashed. We can spend money on Mars but still can't fly in that sandy region which is causing us the most problems and biggest budget blowouts in history?

Houston, we've got a problem in the war zone. Our helos in the tsunami zone are working just fine but our priorities should be sand-storm resistant helicopters to help us in this mission.

#56)
Dave Ray: If patriotism is judged by buying armour then your right I don't grasp it. British troops were badly equipped at the beginning of the current campaign, there was a public outcry and the correct equipment was then supplied and is still being supplied. The money was there to be taken out of the warchest set aside by the government.
The best plan is to get the equipment right in the first place, second best is the government rectifying it immediately.

Did you ever consider that maybe if all those rich Europeans took some responsibility for themselves and actually paid their fair share of their own defense that the United States wouldn't be spread so thin, and would have enough money to protect its own troops a little better?

# 81 RWC

Probably -- until someone builds another assembly line ...

Algerias:

I don't know how true this is...but the Brits made an equally stupid move when buying Apaches from the US...they scrimped on the cost of some of the gizmos...couple of months later they realised it wouldn't fly at night. Bit of a disaster. Red faced accountants soon found the money.

#78 Dave Ray:

Prewar design; point was, that was what was available for production when WWII broke out, due to parsimony on the part of the USA and Britain.

Now British and US tanks are the best available anywhere, but the role of the tank in a anti-terrorist war has been limited, at best. So more Humvees are used in hostile environments than is healthy for the people in them.

This is WAY OT, but I noticed that the French have resorted to destroying their wine - and not just the vin d'table, but the appellation wine was well.

Could this be due, in part, to the Americans boycotting French wine?

"Did you ever consider that maybe if all those rich Europeans took some responsibility for themselves and actually paid their fair share of their own defense that the United States wouldn't be spread so thin, and would have enough money to protect its own troops a little better?"

So now it's the Europeans fault that the Pentagon won't spend a miniscule (in the scale of things) amount on much needed armour? That's a classic. First the argument was that it was the patriotic thing to do, now it's because poor US government is too poor.

# 87 atb

Would something like the Stryker vehicle be the optimal urban terrrist-killer? Just curious ...

#49 solutionman

I don't think the $700 kits are meant to deal with IEDs; they're just meant to deal with AKs and other small arms.

And no, the Humvees weren't designed with "up-armoring" in mind. If you want an armored vehicle, get an M-113, a Stryker (even they have been "up-armored"), or something of the like.

With so many conflicting tales out there (some being put out to reinforce a political position, or try to embarrass the DoD, Rumsfeld, W, or God knows who else), it's hard to know what the real story is. I would tend to believe the posters on the mil-blogs, or others who are on the ground in Iraq.

#85 Buckaroo

But, since it is part of Department of Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2005 (pdf) wouldn't this make them, even with the physical capabilities to do so, not allowed to produce more than 450 per month ?

#88 Cy Kologis:

Well, perhaps production costs have gotten out-of-hand; anti-freeze prices have gone through the roof ...

/remember when Bart Simpson went to France?

# 92 RWC

Probably -- which is therefore probably why no one is running out and building any more capacity!

93:

It's not just Americans boycotting French wines...I haven't drank one in years. Why would I need to with Californian and South African?

47 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

Ed, that article absolutely made my hair stand on end.

As long as we are discussing armor in Iraq, allow me to recommend Thunder Run, by David Zucchino; a fascinating look at the armored thrust into Baghdad by the Spartan Brigade. Excellent reading.

#71 Dave Ray

If you were a true conservative you'd be...

LOL! Look Dave- I don't have any ill will towards you at all- we just won't see eye to eye on this. I am okay with that.

Disagreeing is part of life- I don't count it as bridgeburning worthy. I was avtually trying to avoid seeing you and Thom do the same thing. Yes, I was a bit condescending in doing so- forgive me- I am a work in progress. I have moments when I am not at my best-

that being said. I don't fall for that style of manipulation where YOU get to say "If you were..., then blah blah blah." LOL! My husband use to try that. I am what I am- you define me as you like- no bother to me. I am very confisent and sound in my "conservatism" and YOU will not set the standard by which I measure MYSELF or how CONSERVATIVE I AM!

The gov't is not perfect- The entire idea of a gov't military is actually a socialist practice- that does not me me socialist to support the military. so anyway- giving money to a source that can do a better job, faster is fine with me- as long as it is a CHOICE and not forced BY the gov't. It is not Rummie's fault that the red-tape of gov't slows up getting things done when the need that arises is immediate. (or even if not immediate) I wish yo would just understand that we are not about being problem FINDERS- we are about being problem SOLVERS. Both are needed and necessary- just different. So you be the problem finder- I will be the problem solver. But thanks for trying to make me question my CONSERVATISM-- LOL!

#81 RWC

I have heard that there are something like 1500-1700 Humvees in Iraq. If this is true (does anybody know?), then it would only take four months or so to produce the required number of kits.

I saw a video awhile back (linked from WND?) showing some guys at a maritime supply place in San Diego fabricating some homemade kits, bolting them onto a civilian Hummer H-1, and telling the audience (presumably soldiers in the field) what parts they needed (1/4" sheet steel, piano hinges, and bolts), and that their supply seargents should be able to find all the parts easily.

#11 Eric Cartman's Conscience

You exist?

When the seargent asked Rumsfeld about the "armor issue" last month - he may have been reading a question fed to him from a meddlesome reporter - but the troops cheered.

I don’t know why. "When the question was asked, 20 vehicles remained to be up-armored at that point," Gen. Speakes said, in comments completely ignored by the big media.
"We completed those 20 vehicles in the next day," he said

#90 Buckaroo:

Man, that thing looks mean. In the book Thunder Run that I just plugged, the results of the Bradley's 20mm chain gun on Iraqi troops and assorted Syrian mercenaries in the open is illustrated; not at all pretty.

And don't get me started on how much it's costing us in American and Coalition lives & US $$$ and #%$#$# & humvees to make up for the obstructionism & foot dragging of our so called Allies that tied our hands behind our back and put up obstacles & BS almost down to this weekend's elections is Iraq.

They've helped bog down one of the most speedy & daring operations in military history (from what I understand) just to slap down the would-be liberators of the Iraqi concentration camp.

60 years from now they'll shed fake tears for the dead. Or they'll do like the French remembering D-Day (Yankee go home now).

eeevil conservative:

Apologies for my flippant response. I just find the whole issue a little odd.

#102 alegrias:

Or they'll pray to Allah for the overthrow of the Great Satan, in the 85th anniversary commemorations of the Teheran embassy invasion...

103 Dave Ray

No problem- like I said- I was a bit condescending-

Sorry for that too!

We're cool!

Hmmm

Where did everybody go? LOL!

#106 eeevil conservative:

It's either tea time for the regulars, or nappie time for the trolls.

#106 eeevil conservative

Dunno. I got bored. :)

Wanna see my ban wish list?

Gordon
garnier
suleimanajic

O/T (and what an outstanding topic it is):

One more psychopath found walking the halls of academia. This time, at Colorado University.

#47~~ everyone should read this! very, very chilling.

OT
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A must see for Lizardoids

#104 andthenblammo

Like Kissinger said but Carter ignored, weakness invites provocation. And we've been paying ever since for Carter's kneeling, bowing & scraping to islamofascism in the name of peace in his time.

Thanks, Democrats, for defending this indefensible betrayal along with the EURabians & antisemites.

#107 andthenblammo!

LOL!

Thom

LOL! I don't mind the trolls--- kinda fun. Some need to be booted for crazy crapt- but they do serve as great entertainment at times. Plus- iron sharpens iron- the sad thing is that most of the trolls are not made of iron- but silly putty!

SaDM

LOL! Mio? LOL!

{reaching to grab my halo from around my ankles}

Awww, Thom, now you're being mean. I would never have you banned. Sent to Gitmo in a gingham dress, perhaps, but certainly not banned. Even yahoos like yourself have the right to express themselves.

#79, Suleimanajac. Well, shoot. I was gonna' send you an invitation to the Great Idaho Dynamite Shoot if you knew the answer. I guess I'll just have to ask my friends cousin Guido.

#115 eeevil conservative

Some trolls are fun. Suleiman the Demented and HRH garnier are vicious.

#113~~ HILARIOUS!

gutsy, tho... couldn't air that here, i'm thinkin.

I have a cousin named Guido. You could ask him.

#101 andthenblammo!

the Bradley has a 25mm chaingun, not 20mm.

/anal retentive

Thom

I know what you mean

Sluethgoob just needs attention, LOL! needs a little luvin' maybe- I Wonder if Tahreeza is feeling up to the challenge?

Well, well. Peace must be just around the corner.

Palestinian PM bans unlicensed weapons

I'm sure that the Hamasniks must be lining up to lay down their arms.

/

#119~~ the logic of what you posit makes sense to me. visit a conservative, non-demoninational church some sunday morning, and you'll see boatloads of children! at the church we went to when we had our children, four was average; many families had six or more.

and don't forget those sassy procreating mormons... eight isn't out of the norm at all!

#124 eeevil conservative

"Sluethgoob"?! Waht/who is that?

#110 Jheka

Here is the thread concerning Churchill.

Sluethgoob probobly believes everything the NYT and CBS spoonfeeds him. Anyone ever read Cater's library and their take on his "actions" during the Iranian hostage thing? LOL! I needed duct tape!

#123 Right Wing Conservative:

Thanks for the fact-check; hope you and that "special someone" are doing well!

PS: Don't worry, we won't torture you about that forever. Maybe.

Suleimanajac. Google "boomershoot", we are alway needing new target setters.

#26 Jakester -

You mean that in spite of the hundreds of billions the Pentagon gets, that someone is some sort of pinko because they believe it's the Pentagon's job to provide the armor.

For whatever reason, the Pentagon isn't doing the job. I'm as pissed off about it as you are. You can curse Rumsfeld every time a soldier gets killed in an ambush because his humvee hasn't been outfitted with Kevlar; it won't help the troops.

As for calling someone a "pinko" because they believe it's the Pentagon's job to provide the armor - I don't see where I even insuated that. But from now on when I post, I'll be a little more cognizant that I might be offending some hypersensitive asshole.

Oops, wrong right winger. All look the same to me. Duh.

Thom

suleimanajic

#120 Thom

True that. Less deranged anti-semite and more demented eggplant makes the day fly by!

#130 andthenblammo!
Ha ha ha funny funny funny...

rotten totten rickin frickin...grumble grumble grumble...

#137 song_and_dance_man

LOL! LOL!

Oh wait, right right wing after all. I was afraid it was the wrong right wing, right?

/needs to find something productive on desk to do/

#135 Powderfinger

Yes. There is definitely not enough deranged eggplant in our diet. :)

RWC

Why does that remind me of the cartoon where some klutzes in WW1 bi-planes are trying to shoot down a homing pigeon.

I believe they had a dog that could fly somehow, who would save his commander after he had been shot down in exchange for a medal.

Um, save me some time, what is wrong with Suleiman the Magnificent?

Did I mention I think y'all should read my link in post 47?

#139 song_and_dance_man

You should show more respect for your betters, ya bloody peasant.

HRH garnier - that INBRED MUTANT - is of the nobility!

I appreciate the sentiment of those eager to donate, but this "Adopt a Humvee" campaign is either a scam or a well-intentioned but misguided idea. The DOD has no mechanism to spend privately donated funds. Also, as several people have already noted, the problem with "up-armoring" HUMVEES is production capacity, not funding.

Save your money, or donate it to a charity supporting servicemembers injured in Iraq or the families of those who have been killed. But, do your research before you break out your credit card.

OT: Putin-Yah, we might sell missiles to evil people after all. Duh!

#143 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

Well, for one thing he wants Lon Horiuchi to shoot my wife in the head.

It was great, Ed! Truly outstanding! Man, you don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows; but it helps.

Ever been drunk in LaGrange, Illinois?

#139 song_and_dance_man

He called zulubaby "zulunazi". He's wayyy way high up on my banning list, too. He also appears to be stalking her.

Hey everyone-- my real name is David Benzion, and I am a producer/host with KSEV in Houston and "managing editor" (whatever that means) of LoneStarTimes.com

First of all, profound thanks to Charles (and AG!) for giving us the traffic and profile today.

Allow me to quote from Edd's dispatch:

Yesterday the 507th Medical Air Evac Company had told me the day before that there were supply issues that were holding up the armoring of the humvees. This morning we met with Gunnery Sgt. Dale Haukeli of the 1/7 Marines Motor Transport.

The problem is the humvees that have been issued to the 1/7 are standard units for the most part. Some have armored doors and sides – but only 1 or 2 have the undercarriage armor. When the humvee runs over the mine the explosion penetrates the engine compartment and through the firewall to severely injure the driver or passenger. Land mines are the weapon of choice of the insurgents and the biggest threat facing these Marines.

A re-designed and completely factory armored Humvee that can withstand a land mine strike could be years away from reaching this area. So Gunny Haukeli designed a system of 7 armored plates that are bolted under the wheel well and floor boards of the humvee. This system is simple, easy to manufacture and fit to the vehicle in the field. There were 2 land mine strikes in the last few months – one humvee had this armor kit installed and the other did not. The unarmored vehicle driver lost both legs and an eye. The armored vehicle was destroyed but the driver only suffered a broken leg.

Two mines – two humvess – and two very different outcomes.

Additionally the armored humvee was destroyed but the plates were unbolted from the wreckage and re-installed on another humvee. Simple designs can work wonders.

Now for the frustrating part – Gunny Haukeli is having a very hard time getting the parts and equipment to armor these humvees. He put together a priority 1 parts and equipment list and today we began putting this into action. My wife worked out the details of shipping these parts air freight while my friend Danny Lee procured the supplies. They will have the required material on site within a week after waiting for these parts for months through regular channels.

The problem? It’s not a standard approved system – because the enemy didn’t get “prior Pentagon permission” for this tactic. The solution for an evolving tactic in this war is to empower the troops in the field to apply solutions. Sometimes that doesn’t fit in the standardized supply chain procedures of the military.

Gunny Haukeli has also put together a power point presentation with all equipment and installation procedures. That will be delivered to DC – to Congressional contacts and to the Pentagon as soon as I get home. According to the men in the field this program will save lives. I can’t think of anything I could have done more important today. God had worked out this program and these contacts long before I showed up in Iraq. Now we just have to get it done.

See, down here in Texas, we don't view this as "charity" or some sort of embarrassing response to the "failure" of our government to properly protect the troops.

Our greatest disappointment every morning is that there don't seem to be any terrorists wandering the streets of downtown Houston for us to shoot ourselves. Helping protect our boys as they enjoy the privilege overseas is the next best thing.

So if some smelly European intellectual looks down their nose at us, or if a bunch of pointy-headed government bureaucrats have a problem with what we are doing, they can all go suck eggs.

We love our troops. They need us. It is an honor to do this little bit. The End.

I didn't know Fructis is eight cousin to royalty.

And who is Lon Horiuchi? And how may wives do you have that he would shoot?

#142 Ed Mahmoud

Pretty good there Ed. Here and here.

I guess I got the phrase wrong though - it is "shackle rackle futzal craz."

It's what I was going for though ;-)

#153 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

Lon Horiuchi is the FBI sniper who killed Randy Weaver's wife at Ruby Ridge. With a head shot.

According to Suleiman, we're a bunch of white supremacists in a cabin in Idaho.

#145 Thom:

Boy, good thing I wasn't online when G-man said this (from your link):

Actually, they're from a fairly diverse gene pool or how would I be eighth cousin of the late Princess of Wales?

Because posting "because they had sex with animals?" would have been hard to resist.

I just read this today, first time in many years.

Elizabeth I's famous speech to her army at Tilbury, on the eve of invasion by the Spanish Armada by Catholic Spain, the greatest superpower of her day.

But she wasn't daunted.

My loving people, we have been persuaded by some that are careful of our safety, to take heed how we commit ourselves to armed multitudes for fear of treachery.

Let tyrants fear. I have always so behaved myself that, under God, I have placed my chief strength and safeguard in the loyal hearts and goodwill of my subjects.

And therefore I am come amongst you all, as you see at this time, not for my recreation and disport, but being resolved, in the midst and heat of the battle, to live or die amongst you all; to lay down for my God, and for my kingdom, and for my people, my honour and my blood even in the dust.

I know I have the body of a week and feeble woman, but I have the heart and stomach of a king, and a king of England too. And think foul scorn that Parma or Spain, or any Prince of Europe, should dare to invade the borders of my realm!

OT:

Another great collumn from Mark Stein. His prediction: 4 more dictatorships will be gone by they end of Bush's 2nd term.

Read "Bush Means Business" [Link: www.spectator.co.uk...]

An even better way to support the troops would have been to vote for a competent administration at last election.

True colors: splurging $40Million on the inauguration while troops are doing it so tough at a time of war.

DUCT TAPE ALERT!

#160 Kenneth:

I foresee appeals from the UN to conserve our vital worldwide dictator population in the mail any day soon.

162 emj

Oh shit! That right, Kerry did have a plan.

/sarc off

emj

Remind me... how much did Clinton spend on his parties in 96 while his administration was cutting our National Defense to pieces?

#162 emj

An even better way to support the troops would have been to vote for a competent administration at last election.

The US election ? Was there a competent one running ?

God Bless and keep our troops, those who serve and those who have returned, their families... It is an honor to be able to help out...

#166 Lord Speedo:

You know, I have to wonder why a public-spirited guy like Kerry, even though he wasn't elected, has not shared his can't-fail plans for Iraq, the economy, the WOT, and just about everything else. Wouldn't that be in the national interest? Just askin'.

/Some sarcasm contained above/

164 andthenblammo!

I foresee appeals from the UN to conserve our vital worldwide dictator population in the mail any day soon.

You joke of course, but we can be sure the UN, France and others will be outraged when their favourite dictators are knocked off.

HouTexJew

Work near the Galleria per chance?

Maybe we could have an LGF meetup with AG the Angry Texan, and Quark2 and all the gang, perhaps in the Chili's or Bennigan's in the food court.

Or maybe we could hit the Katz's on Westheimer (although I noted the last time I was in Austin (for the Baylor game) a patron eating a cheeseburger, so I'm not 100% positive that Katz's is Kosher, despite being a Jewish style deli).

I love the reubens they make. And the pancake thingies.

#169 song_and_dance_man

Here you go.

A Conservative Answer to Michael Moore
Profile: Evan Coyne Maloney

Evan Coyne Maloney, 32, who dresses and looks like a college student, may very well be America's most promising conservative documentary filmmaker. Yet the Upper East Side resident hasn't completed a single film.

The hype unaccompanied by output says a lot about the room for growth in the conservative documentary community. But a number of those on the right expect Mr. Maloney's unfinished debut film, "Brainwashing 101,"to emerge as a breakout theatrical hit - or at least to make it to theaters, a feat few films of its political ilk have managed to achieve.

another way to support our troops and not our enemies is to stop feeding massive gas sucking SUVs. those oil purchases go to finance the saudi's and the terrorists they pay off.

The people that own and operate those massive gas sucking pigs are supporting our nations enemies and should be reminded of it every time a saudi murders an American citizen.

#172 Kenneth:

They hate it when their markets for nuclear and biological weapons dry up. C'est dommage!

emj

Let's see, Clinton's Library, cost SIXTY FIVE MILLION... Please write an essay as to why Clinton's library needed 65 million to build. Have it ready at your next posting.

Thanks!

BTW Clinton is over in Switzerland with Bono and other world icons to think up ways to help the poor, while drinking Cristal and staying 1200. a night suites...

Thom, I think we need to start seeing other people. You've been sweet, but I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore.

Do we know for sure you have a wife?

Exactly how full is the moon right now, anyhow?

#171 andthenblammo!

Of course all of the democrats who "support our troops" could be outraged that W hasn't asked for more money as well.

#157 andthenblammo!

Heh. That woulda been beautiful.

Kelly

Screw you, mon amie...

The people that own and operate those massive gas sucking pigs are supporting our nations enemies and should be reminded of it every time a saudi murders an American citizen

#178 suleimanajic

Why don't you go beat your sister or something? Or does your brother-in-law take care of that?

#175 kelly

I just gassed up the Hummer. Now can I have directions to your house so I can do doughnuts in your front yard?

Thanks.

177 Bubble Girl

ROFLLL!

THE IRONY!

Oh, and Kelly

When was the last time you walked to work instead of driving? Or even jusr ride a bus? you debate like a freshman in high school sweeite, but thanks for playing.

#175 kelly

You never give up do you? Blame SUV drivers and not the actual terrorists for what they do-not criticize Islam, but your own fellow Americans. It must be nice to have figured out how to defeat Wahabism-make sure you copy Dubya on your next strategy e-mail.

Thom

LOL

I just gassed up the Hummer. Now can I have directions to your house so I can do doughnuts in your front yard?

#183 Bubble Girl

Let me make sure I understand this. If you drive a big SUV and use 500 gallons of gas per year, you're an asshole. If you drive a VW and use 1,000 gallons of gas per year you're a saint?

Have I got this right? If there's a test later I want to make sure I do okay.

Only about 30 shooting positions left for "Boomershoot 2005", and going fast. If we could get Suliemanjackshit to set targets we could sell out tomorrow.

#175 kelly

Let's say you live 20 miles from work and your car gets 30 MPG. If the guy next to you in the gas hog which gets 15 MPG lives 10 miles from work, you are equally at fault.

Number of miles driven is just as important as MPG. There are so many ways to reduce oil consumption. I use a reel or electric mower when I mow. But unlike you, I don't call people driving to work terrorists.

#178 Sule

So you're back, hunh...

I know what you did last summer...

eeevil housefrau

sluethgoob? Wow. I know they don't emphasize spelling in remedial English, but copy & paste should still work for you.

I must say, though, the irony of someone with more than 1200 posts here and, apparently, a blog of her own claiming that I just want attention is absolutely delicious. Keep 'em coming.

Oh, and make me a sammich.

There is something far more stinky and awful than a full moon bringing out the worst of people on these threads. It's like the mention of Auschwitz has brought out the most foul sentiments on the planet and some really bad energy, and awful people are then gravitating to LGF.

Does anyone else feel like that?

SUVs are nothing but pickup trucks with an enclosed back. And pickup trucks are what just about all the tradesmen, contractors, etc. that build and maintain the world you live in drive, in order to carry all the stuff required to actually accomplish something practical. Unless you do live in that mud hut with WIFI I saw for sale in Amory Lovins Acres.

189 Lord Speedo

I think your "speedo" is on too tight!

Bubble Girl is not the one whining and crying and making crazy statements of BUNK!-- it is kelly- it is the one

PS I do not drive a SUV myself (and no, there isn't one in the family). So there.

#175 kelly~~~ um, some of us have big families and jobs that require big vehicles. i happen to have both. and, before you start in on some moonbat mantra about population control...

shaddap already, please.

#196 eeevil conservative

I was trying to be too cute. I was actually agreeing with BG. Sorry for the confusion.

Lord Speedo

Why yes, you do have it right... Not only are you a saint, but you can diss people driving SUVs and feel even better about yourself. Double Sainthood. Even if you drive a moped and your job is evict poor people onto the street, you, are a saint.

Or if you drive a hybrid and run over old ladies' kitties, you are a saint.

I remember reading a t-shirt that said something like, Wouldn't it be great if shools got all the money they need, and the defence department had to have a cookie sale to raise money.

Americans are always the problem, right Kelly and emj? No other people out there who have intentions to destroy civilization as we know it?

#184 Thom

Misogynist.

Truthfully, my brother-in-law has never struck my sister. But I bet the guards at Gitmo would, eh?

oh, dear sluethgoob

LOL!

I am flattered you did so much research on me-- now I have to go take a shower

ikkk!

LOL!

DAMN IT... i just KNEW that SOMEHOW i was responsible for world terrorism.

bad, BAD suburban!

And let's not even think about those clowns with twin engine cruisers zipping about Lake Michigan, drinking Dino-Ade like crazy, just to enjoy themselves after a hard week exploiting the working man!

Mine goes in the water April 15th. Can't wait.

Lord Speedo

wooops! LOL! sorry- so many trolls it gets a little hard to tell at times. besides- i was busy making sluethgoobs knuckle sammich

207 eeevil conservative

knuckle sammich

LOL, priceless!

#203, suly. There is a rumor going around that your family is in the railroad business and that you sister pulls the train on your mothers day off. Do you sell the tickets?

Research? Hah! All I did was click your username & your football. Oh, I'm sorry - were you pretending you didn't mean to put that there? Nevermind, I didn't say that. Nothing to see here, folks. She's not an attention whore at all. False alarm.

A shower's a fine idea. This time use soap.

I'm not going to defend what I drive, this is America, it is still free choice, thank God, even though persons like Kelly think shaming people with nitwit bullshit makes her a better person.

And Suje

Take your lying POS out of here, last time you were here you told the posters you hoped their wives would be shot in the head...

#210 gymnast:

No, he greases the coal chute.

191 Beagle

You're missing the point, all those facts are blurring your thought. The point to remember is that it is always our fault, no matter what we do. That's a given. And Islamo-facist terrorists aren't responsible for their own actions.

(For those readers too daft to notice, the preceding message contained sarcasm)

212 Bubble Girl

I've got a red Suburban.

WriterMom (#194)

The stench of the Jew-haters' putrefied souls is overwhelming. It's like the salivate over the thought of dead Jews.

Why gymnast! Are you trying to flirt with me?

blue_like_jazz

ROFLLL!

You have honestly just brightened my day! I have laughed quite a bit thanks to you!

So glad to make your aquaintance!

Catching up to thread.

...zulubaby is a peasant? Oh, goodness.

She's a citizen of the United States of America, now. That trumps everything, including Eurabian "nobility".

Jeffrey Dahmer drove a Honda Civic... Ted Bundy, a VW Beatle... The Boston Strangler... a bicycle...

I was just curious what the "ajic" in "suleimanajic" stood for, so I googled it.

Got an itch you can't scratch, eh?

I wanted to buy an SUV but me wife made me get a van instead.

BTW, KSEV streams its audio feed.

Local host (and station owner) Dan Patrick (not the ESPN sports guy) is on from 4-6 pm CST.

I will be sitting in for Edd tomorrow (Friday) from 6-9 am CST, with Edd calling in live via SAT phone from Bagdahd from 7-9 am CST.

Y'all feel free to listen (or call) in.

281-558-5738

Out of town callers go to the top of the list.

#217, suly. Nah, we dont have much truck with your kind round these parts.

OT Russian Special Forces get seven of 'em

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

"They say the group's leader, Muslim Atayev, was among those killed."

Damn Russians seem to be targeting "Muslims"!

#214 Kenneth

And Islamo-facist terrorists aren't responsible for their own actions.

I probably said Zionist one too many times.

The Left doesn't understand market forces. Before we get anywhere near running out of oil the price increase will make alternatives economically viable. But microeconomics is like religion, they won't touch it except to condemn it.

Ed Mahmoud

Poor Ed... a van... :{

Alas, Bubble Girl. It sucks to be just another plebe with no mod powers, eh?

The Horiuchi comment wasn't directed at you, actually - pero si lo quiere, esta tuyo.

#208 American Infidel and

#216 zulubaby

Yes-I think it is the sense that the evil people in the world are angered that so much attention is being paid to the dead Jews of Europe-and this has caused a ripple effect and we are reaping the benefits of those emotions being stirred up. It's very disturbing, but there is definitely something in the air today-I just can't quite describe it.

Welcome to Scrollover Country! Easy to get to, hard to leave.

andthenblammo!

Yes indeed. I itch for you day and night, darling.

Perhaps if next time you were to Google the entire word, you might do better. Or not...

226 Beagle

I'm all for conserving gas consumption: it saves me money, good for the environment, etc. But the only workable way to do that is by individual free choice. What I really object to is the underlying nonsense in the assumption that I am some how responsible for the behavior of a terrorist.

Sule

Si me haces una de tus pendejadas, te voy a romper la cabeza condenada!

what's wrong with a van. I still want the one I wanted in 1978,
chevy van, shag carpet mirrored ceiling waterbed in back, and a bumper sticker that says, "don't laugh, your daughter might be in here."

gymnast, stop teasing. If I can't have you, then life is just too cruel.

#128 RWC:

Thanks a bunch. Missed it completely. Over at DU, they're debating how right this guy is ... just a little or 100% ...

It's quite the battle woyale (note the deleted posts ... start with this (not deleted) post:

Good Americans = Good Germans

You can always count on DU ...

Man, someone needs to make some friends. Like, with real people.
Then someone wouldn't be such a bitter bloviating pecksniff making rude threats from the safety of a internet connection.

No, nobody in particular.

Performance cars use a lot of gas, but I guess they are acceptable to moonbats... and why don't these American haters answer questions? I have been patient, I thought.

sleuthgoob

lovely temper tantrum you are having...

does your mommy know you are on the computer?

not to be cruel or anything, but

BUSH WON!

oh- victory tastes so sweet- especailly when we get to see the mentally deranged fall apart in our own midst!

Thank you... please keep on

#232 Kenneth

What I really object to is the underlying nonsense in the assumption that I am some how responsible for the behavior of a terrorist.

But we need to look at (say it with me) root causes.
/heavy sarcasm

I've seen at least a half dozen scholarly articles which fully debunk root causes (if OBL being as rich as a Kennedy isn't enough). Speaking of which, Teddy "never loses at quarters" Kennedy really put his foot in it today. He's not only against the war, but the troops also.

Sule

Threaten to have someone shoot me in the head? Nice...

What is wrong with a van indeed. I love my minivan. I cannot understand why people resist getting the minivan, but to each his own. You will get my minivan when you pry it from my cold dead hands. It is a living room on wheels. Every one I know drives one. We fill the parking lots outside the mall, the grocery store, the offices, the day cares, and the churches. Minivans as far as the eye can see. We have lots of children. And W stickers in the back glass. Fear us. ;-)

#203 suleimanajic

Your sister converted to the Religion of Misogyny™, you kicked back and watched her forced into a burqa ... and I'm the misogynist?

Hmmm ... did we pick up new trolls while I was away? I am so out of the loop. No one tells me anything.

#239 eeevil conservative

BUSH WON!

High Five to you!
Heh.

OT: Europe's decline: Where are the EUrokids?

The author notes the seemingly unavoidable demographic destiny:

Instead of integration of immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa into a majority European society, the opposite will occur: the immigrants will integrate the existing European culture into their own civilization

I like this bit of wry understatement:

European tolerance competes with Islam, which is not always a religion of peace, as many Europeans would like to believe.

Ann

LOL!

High Five back!

Animal-human crossbreeds cause controversy

Take up a lot of bandwidth, too.

#240 Beagle

Oh, but there are "root causes" for terrorism, just not the ones the UN, Europeans, liberals and Democrats claim it is.

The real root causes are:
1. Islamic extremism
2. Tyranny

Amazingly, some Arab thinkers are starting to say this:
[Link: memri.org...]

SUV's and US support for Israel are not the root causes.

#234 piglet

A Good Times van, with sidepipes?

I knew a girl in high school (mid '70s) who burned her calf on a sidepipe while climbing out of a Good Times van. She was proud of that, and showed it off, like it was a badge of honor.

She graduated a year early, and went to court reporting school. Don't know what ever became of her...

WWSMS?

Lord, grant me the serenity to ignore the trolls,
the courage to debate with honest opponents,
and the wisdom to know the difference.

That's what steve miller would say. I have been remiss.

234 piglet

My van actually said that on the side.

#249 eeevil conservative
What's wrong with these people? I watched many of them leaving the President Bush (Woo Hoo!) Inauguration protest. They seemed in a hurry to get home. I guessed that they were overdue for a bong hit...

Tanto hostilidad! Comenzo a pensar que no tiene gusto de mi.

#246 Jheka, it flipped.

Teddy speaks out...

Besides ending its military presence, Kennedy said the United States must stop making political decisions in Iraq and turn over full authority to the United Nations (news - web sites) to help Baghdad set up a new government.

He said an international meeting led by the United Nations and Iraq should be convened immediately in Iraq or elsewhere in the Middle East to start that process.

"We now have no choice but to make the best we can of the disaster we have created in Iraq," Kennedy in a speech to the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. "The current course is only making the crisis worse."

#175 Kelly,...Your post makes no sense at all, because you pump the same gas for your gas saver as I do for my H1.

By your own arguement, you are supporting terrorism !

Sule

Soy hostil, verdad, pero usted lo comenzó ayer. Porqué no lo hace usted calma tragúenos y ensamble, pacífico, usted hacen algunos buenos puntos...

256 Ann

LOL!

YES! They need that bong hit to get back to fantasy land.

the reality of life is just tooo painful to endure without it

I mean, c'mon, haivng to actually work? or get your own health insurance? or raise your own kids?

so mean capitalism and democracy can be...

LOL!

Nah, she takes the bus.

#244 Thom

My, my. A statement from you that isn't 100% ad hominem. That one must have slipped out.

So what makes you think she was forced?

#146 MMSoM

I appreciate the sentiment of those eager to donate, but this "Adopt a Humvee" campaign is either a scam or a well-intentioned but misguided idea.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.

I've seen other money drives for troop equipment that didn't leave a bad taste in my mouth. But between reports of the armor producers being at their production capacities, the logistics of shipping 1000+ lbs. of armor plating over-seas, and the regulations prohibiting troops from mounting the armor to their vehicles if it even gets there, I don't have a good feeling about this call for money. In some cases, the open checkbook just won't help. And this looks like one of them.

If I'm balls-out wrong about this, feel free to set me straight. But it seems that donations would be better off sent elsewhere, like Adopt a Sniper.

#259 Bubble

Perhaps I will send Teddy a copy of the story The Little Red Hen. If you don't help with the hard stuff, don't expect to join in the end.

#264 suleimanajic

Because it is normative.

#262 eeevil conservative

I mean, c'mon, haivng to actually work? or get your own health insurance? or raise your own kids?

Why, it's the government's responsibility to take care of them when their parents stop footing the bill, which will happen sooner or later!

#259 Bubble Girl

Fathead Ted lays it on the line,

He said an international meeting led by the United Nations and Iraq should be convened immediately in Iraq or elsewhere in the Middle East to start that process.

Great idea Ted! The way to solve the "Iraqi quagmire" is for the UN to hold a meeting in Baghdad. Or maybe Paris, the food is better there.

A meeting! It's so simple, now why didn't Bush think of that?

#259 Bubble:

We should make Ted U.N. Ambassador ... then withdraw from the U.N. and find a way to make it make its new headquarters in Zimbabwe or some such hot, unpleasant place. Out of a sense of humanity, we will let Ted take some emergency liquor on his way out of the country.

OT

OKLAHOMA CITY (Reuters) - An Oklahoma senator hopes to revive cockfighting in the state by putting tiny boxing gloves on the roosters instead of razors.

The Oklahoma legislature outlawed the blood sport in 2002 because of its cruelty to the roosters, which are slashed and pecked to death while human spectators bet on the outcome.

But State Sen. Frank Shurden, a Democrat from Henryetta and a long-time defender of cockfighting, said the ban had wiped out a $100-million business.

To try to revive it, he has proposed that roosters wear little boxing gloves attached to their spurs, as well as lightweight, chicken-sized vests configured with electronic sensors to record hits and help keep score.

#239

Yes he did. Yay! And why do you think that would bother me? I voted for him.

Oops! Never occurred to you I might be a Republican? What a surprise.

#270 Jheka

Excellent idea. I saw an ad on Fox's News Channel from an advocacy group saying we need to pull out of the UN. Was surprised that Fox actually aired the ad...

Who knew that cockfighting brought a 100 Million bucks in OK?

Note to self:

Side business, need to buy roosters, tiny boxing gloves...

#267 Thom

That I'll grant you. Nice use of "normative", btw.

But what is true in general is not always true universally. Suppose I told you it was her choice, and that she wore it even before she was married. Would you believe that, or would you go back to pretending she's a figment of my imagination?

Or we could just go back to Romper Room insults. Your call.

#276 suleimanajic

I wasn't the one who questioned her existence.

But - what would happen if she opted not to wear it anymore?

#259 Bubble Girl

Teddy Kennedy (I'm quoting from memory) said:
"American troops in Iraq are part of the problem." Of course the MSM article you cited (same speech) left that out.
But Teddy "student driver" Kenndy didn't ask the majority of Iraqis before commenting.

OT: David Frum fisks the Inaugural address
http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/diary012105.asp #053952

I know I'm late mentioning this, but it's a good analysis.

AMAZING!

Ted calls the situation in Iraq a disaster? If the UN was handling this- we would never be having an ELECTION IN ORAQ in just a few days!

think about that...
AN ELECTION IN IRAQ!

If the UN was in charge- Saddam would still be robbing them of food money for his weapons!

The epitome of gross statements. This man is a Senator of the United States of America! OY!

oh, and slueth- no- it never occurred to me that YOU would be a Republican. NEVER! If you're not sure why- click your own footbal and read your own comments in the last 7 days. Sounds quite like an unhinged, angry, LLL! I didn't post those words you will read-- YOU DID!

Well, my wife drives it anyway, since she takes the kids to her aunt's house for babysitting while she works.

The Windstar is actually pretty nice, and the Federal CAFE standards I'm sure Kelly loves ensures they don't build cars that are family size anymore that are affordable.

If you're going to spend the money on a Grand Marquis de Sade or whatever, than might as well own an SUV. But my wife didn't like driving them. I wanted a Suburban, we got a Windstar instead.

I gave my 1993 Buick Skylark, which was starting to develop problems, to my wife's cousin, who lives Northside. He has it running again, and will drive it while he converts his little S-10 pickup into a drag racing chick magnet.

So now I drive my wife's POS Contour. Not really big enough for me to get comfortable, and despite being smaller, gets worse mileage than the Buick got. I just hope it doesn't crap out for good before we pay off the van.

Of course, my student loans are about the equivalent of a car payment, and I've got about 4 more years on them, too.

suleimanajic sounds like John Kaminski.

Same tone, same key words, same distortion of freedom, same narcissism, same misogyny.

Look the humvee was never intended to be armoured anymore that which it took the place of, the JEEP. They are not designed as tanks and personnel carriers are.
I don't know why you all can't concieve of the idea that all of the equipment that's used in the military is armoured. Cause it ain't.
This whole business of armouring a non armoured military transport is purely political. They've already concluded if a humvee drives over a concealed bomb it wil not survive even if armoured.
Why can't you posters realize this?
The politicos who started this shit had only one agenda, to stir up the kind of shit that's turning another thread into a damned flame war.

#261 Chica Burbuja

Gracias por eso admision. Lo aprecio.

No es verdad que comenze la hostilidad. Por favor, lo lee otra vez. Confieso que me compuerte muy gravemente, pero no lo comenze.

Importa quien lo comenzo?

#168 Right Wing Consipirator

Not running, unfortunately. People with military experience and credibility such as McCain and Clark don't seem to make it through nomnation.

And now for some Good news ---

Task Force Baghdad Troops Uncover Explosives, Weapons

Link . . .

Soldiers discovered the homemade bombs Monday in the north Babil region, south of Baghdad.

The first consisted of two 122-milimeter artillery-rounds. Two others were discovered nearby that used a 152-millimeter round and a 125-millimeter shell. (Three truckbombs no-more)

Another Task Force Baghdad patrol uncovered a cache of more than 100 explosive rounds Monday morning.

Next up: Turning this bad stuff over to EOD, sounds like a job for

... reaganite.