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 ♻RetweetAbout Rather's Farewell Broadcast

Wed, Mar 9, 2005 at 7:14:06 pm PST

Dan’s last performance was as weird as anyone could have wanted, including a reprise of his infamous “Courage” line.

But during his self-serving invocation of the memory of September 11 to counteract Rathergate, I realized again how much has been concealed from us about that day by the mainstream media, and one of the main reasons why LGF exists.

On Rather’s farewell broadcast I noticed two brief pieces of September 11 footage that have either never appeared before, or were shown once and then hidden behind the almost immediate media blackout on 9/11 images: 1) an appallingly clear and close shot of the second plane smashing into and through the south tower, and 2) another appallingly clear shot of the south tower’s collapse, in which you can see large segments of the building’s outer shell shearing off as the giant concrete slabs pancake downward.

How much footage is mainstream media hiding, in a misguided, arrogant attempt to protect America from itself?

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1 MARS Trucker  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:16:46pm

buh-bye!

2 ted  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:16:51pm

Charles, as usual a brilliant observation..

3 EvilUncleAndy  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:17:53pm

Hours and hours...

4 Puff  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:18:16pm

Sooner or later, there will be a 9/11 DVD worth watching...and remembering by.

Adios, Dan! Don't come back to Texas.

5 AtlasShrugged  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:18:18pm

whaaa NOT!

6 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:18:49pm

I didn't have an opportunity to see the show tonight, so I'm not entirely sure if it's footage I've seen before or not. But it leaves a bad taste in my mouth to hear that Danny Boy would recall such a tragedy in the hopes of overshadowing his lackluster career and the day he got his hand caught in the cookie jar.

7 bigel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:18:55pm
8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:19:18pm

MSM - all the news you need to know. We'll hide the rest from you because it doesnt fit our agenda.

9 AtlasShrugged  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:19:33pm
How much footage is mainstream media hiding, in a misguided, arrogant attempt to protect America from itself?

Gulp...i think i am going to be sick

10 MARS Trucker  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:20:22pm

It all started here

11 AtlasShrugged  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:20:42pm

Bigel happens to be right (!)

Jennings is evil...a jew hating pali loving pr*ck from way back

12 SkippyMoment  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:21:47pm

I know the question is rhetorical, but I doubt they'll ever show those images. It would reawaken the outrage and grief that we all felt that day, and maybe more people would come to their senses about what is going on now. The MSM can't allow that to happen. They must 'shield' us and 'protect' us from the horror of those images... for our 'own good.'

The tragedy is they think they are right.

And I don't for one minute believe they have our best interests at heart, but that this is just further proof of their objective to manipulate the public. No surprise there.

13 bigel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:21:53pm
14 rastajenk  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:21:57pm

Was there any mention of The Great Blogging Machine tonight?

15 rabidfox  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:22:07pm
How much footage is mainstream media hiding, in a misguided, arrogant attempt to protect America from itself?

Too damn much!

16 pookleblinky  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:22:46pm

Did anyone make screenshots?

17 SkippyMoment  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:23:15pm

#7 Bigel

Geeze Bigel, you really need to come out of your shell. You are much too shy about expressing your thoughts and opinions. [big toothy grin]

18 farng!  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:23:28pm

I think the MSM will continue to avoid showing footage of 9-11 because their leftist agenda includes appeasing the Muslims. If the public were to view those pictures on a regular basis, we might not be so inclined to buy the MSM (read: left's) notion that bad things happen only because of evil white men. They simply cannot show non-whites doing anything wrong.

19 bigel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:24:11pm
20 Marine Momma  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:25:07pm

I've tried to ignore Dan-butts final day, he's scum, really. It does upset me though that he would use 9/11 for his last hurrah, I think targetpractice hit the target (pun intended) about Dan-butt using 9/11 to shadow over his attempt to mess with Bush. O.k., Brokaw and Rather are gone, when does Jennings go?

21 MARS Trucker  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:26:45pm

#18 farng


notion that bad things happen only because of evil white men.

You forgot to mention those Evil Israelis too.

/sarcasm off

22 Barbara Skolaut  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:27:14pm
How much footage is mainstream media hiding, in a misguided, arrogant attempt to protect America from itself?

A shitload, Charles.

But you knew that. :-(

23 jaybird  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:27:30pm

I've always been offended by the media's hiding of those 9/11 images. Likewise the hiding of the videos of the al Zarqawi beheadings. If all those images had been around last November 1, what would Bush's victory margin have turned out to be then? Does that offer a clue as to the real reason for hiding the images? The media is so worried about poor little old unwashed us, aren't they? Rii-i-ight.

24 Puff  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:27:56pm

Lest the MSM folks need reminding...

[Link: www.september11news.com...]

25 bruiser  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:28:21pm

If any fellow Lizardoids are slobbering for crystal clear footage of the attacks against WTC 1 & 2 are more than welcome to walk a mile in my shoes.

Heck, you can walk a mile in the shoes I walked miles in that day (WTC 7 to Hunterspoint, Queens via the 59th St Bridge). I can't bear to throw them out.

26 SkippyMoment  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:28:33pm

#19 Bigel

In all honesty, I don't have an opinion about him (other than that ridiculous toupee he wears), because I stopped listening to him so long ago that I don't feel I can legitimately comment on him.

I'll take your word on the subject of him and his 'reporting' of the news.

There are very few newscasters that I respect, and only marginally. Tony Snow and Brit Hume are two I respect. Rush Limbaugh as a commentator gets my respect as well even though I sometimes find his schick a tad annoying.

As far as the MSM and the shills that present their views of the news, I don't think about them at all (takes too much effort for something that isn't worth the time).

[but I wasn't poking fun at you, in case you were wondering]

27 Aladin Sane  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:29:15pm

I've said this before, and I guess I'll say it again. The Rathergate deal was not an exception. We just finally caught Danny-boy doing his thing. I heard Rush today talking about how Dan said kids in Texas cheered when Kennedy was assasinated. But it wasn't true.

I have no pity for Dan. His life was a lie, and he finally got caught.

28 justdanny  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:29:21pm

My mother and I sat and watched the attacks live that morning.

Tonight my mother and I sat and watched that goodbye segment.

When I saw that footage again I wanted to cry. But I did'nt.

Some of us woke up that morning or shortly thereafter. Some of us fell farther into sleep.

Those here and abraod who have always hated us smiled and plotted the use of the event as fodder for their anti America heaves and thrusts.

Life has gone on. Showing the footage would wake more of us. Big media wants as many of us sleeping as possible.

justdanny (r-911)

29 christheprofessor  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:29:48pm

Actually, I think it started here.

30 ted  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:30:05pm

We all knew Rathers sign-off was going to be bizarre and weird, but i was blind-sided to the degree...IMO Rather evoked the very things he has always held in contempt to channel the viewers feeling into a sense of pity and sadness not for the victims of 9/11 or the loss of our brave soldiers lost lives ,but to himself...Watching Rather wax patriotic or pseudo-sad almost made me vomit...for his entire career he stood against and trashed anyone who symbolized, patriotism,values pride in our country,respect and honor for our fighting men and women etc,..

Rather to the bitter end demonstrated what he has always been: A vicious,selfish, manipulative,self-serving,lying,America hating,commie and jihad loving,manipulative sociopath...

31 MARS Trucker  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:30:06pm

#24 Puff
According to the msm, those images are just like the orignal story of Saddams capture, it didn't happen, Bush lied...

32 Marine Momma  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:30:09pm

((bruiser)) man, that had to have been something for you to go through.

33 farng!  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:30:22pm

#21 MARS

Evil Jews. Yes, indeed. Every one of us.

34 Iron Fist[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:30:28pm
35 ted  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:31:23pm

7 bigel...you're right on the money...again

36 Aladin Sane  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:31:43pm

34 Iron Fist

Agree with you, but how do you feel about Rather?

37 Marine Momma  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:32:03pm

justdanny;Life has gone on. Showing the footage would wake more of us. Big media wants as many of us sleeping as possible.

How right you are.

38 Darleen  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:32:15pm

#4 Puff

Certainly you've seen this?

Of course, it was broadcast only once, 6 mos after 9/11, on CBS and then it was like it never existed. I wrote CBS numerous time asking why they didn't air it again, never got a reply.

39 J.D.  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:32:39pm

Poor Dan.

...He has been a target for decades of conservatives who accuse the media of bias, since his coverage of the Nixon White House during the Watergate era, and many have exulted in his recent misfortunes. ...


Dan Rather Signs Off 'CBS Evening News'

40 leftover54  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:33:16pm

a repeat: Dan will retire to and take up permanent residence in the State of Denial. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
One down, two to go.

41 rightymouse  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:34:14pm

From what I remember, MSM blanked out pics of jumpers from the towers hitting the pavement in the name of "decency".

What a crock.

It's as #18 says: "I think the MSM will continue to avoid showing footage of 9-11 because their leftist agenda includes appeasing the Muslims. If the public were to view those pictures on a regular basis, we might not be so inclined to buy the MSM (read: left's) notion that bad things happen only because of evil white men. They simply cannot show non-whites doing anything wrong. "

Bed time. I live in the glorious and snowy heartland.

42 pookleblinky  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:34:48pm

#24 Puff

Thanks for that link. I added it to my sidebar.

43 Malleus Dei  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:34:54pm

"How much footage is mainstream media hiding, in a misguided, arrogant attempt to protect America from itself?"

Tons and tons of it. Especially the footage with all the people jumping out the windows rather than dying from smoke, heat, or flame and then impacting the ground. Pray you never see it.

44 christheprofessor  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:35:16pm

#40 leftover

2 down, one to go...

45 RightWingBob  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:35:29pm

Excellent point. This shouldn't end here.

46 obageegee  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:35:38pm

Actually I think it was footage of an Italian film company that captured the only images of the North Tower being hit first. (I think)

47 Marine Momma  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:37:00pm

Nite rightymouse. Stay warm
Heading to bed too, sleep well lizards :)

48 Aladin Sane  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:37:45pm

47 Marine Momma
g'night, sleep well..

49 Gagdad bob  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:37:59pm

Hey, if the MSM doesn't want to help itself to a delicious portion of news, it just means there's more for us. Mmmm, news...

50 SkippyMoment  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:38:04pm

#30 ted


Rather to the bitter end demonstrated what he has always been: A vicious,selfish, manipulative,self-serving,lying,America hating,commie and jihad loving,manipulative sociopath...

It was commented on by Mike Walker, that Danny boy's career was launched by his reporting on the assination of JFK in Dallas, and that he got lucky in that he went with the story before it could be confirmed by someone that would go on the record. If it turned out that President Kennedy was not killed, then we would not be having this conversation.

Danny boy took a lot of chances, played fast and loose with the fact checking, and got away with it for most of his career. If the MSM had their way, he'd still be getting away with it.

Thank God for LGF and the blogosphere.

51 AtlasShrugged  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:39:12pm

25 bruiser

you can walk a mile in the shoes I walked miles in that day (WTC 7 to Hunterspoint, Queens via the 59th St Bridge).

wow...

52 Iron Fist[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:39:20pm
53 BingoBunny  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:39:50pm

I will never forget 911 I watched it live hoping against hope it was some terrible accident..then the second plane hit.. and I screamed out that we were at war. And started calling all my friends to tell them what was happening. The MSM saw what was happening in America the Dems and Republicans actually working together, and they began to shut it all down.. turned to the scum who wanted us to blame ourselfs, and egging the Dems into finding fault..ever so carefully with Bush and the war. Until now they can have a hundred Dems a night on air calling Bush a hitler and the war Americas fault. I have watched this unfold since 911..and the LLL MSM will never brainwash me to ignore what they have and are doing to America. goodbye Dan.. don't let the love hit ya in the ASS>

54 Aladin Sane  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:40:28pm

50 SkippyMoment

Skippy, as ever, you are more informed and more eloquent than I, suffice it to say that Rather had an agenda. When there were only 3 sources of news we didn't see it, but with the blogs, it's obvious. He's an ass!

55 Final Historian  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:41:00pm

You can find that video from CBS at their website, I believe.

Here I believe.

56 Malleus Dei  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:41:09pm

"...He has been a target for decades of conservatives who accuse the media of bias, since his coverage of the Nixon White House during the Watergate era, and many have exulted in his recent misfortunes. ..."

Dan was a target because was completely biased, was unfair, and was never ever objective. Dan was a target because he never once presented balanced news, but only news with a thoroughly Leftist bias. Dan was a target because he deserved to be one and, in the end, the scandal that brought him down was poetic justice of his very own making.

Goodbye, Dan. You've been a biased disgrace to your profession. Thank God you're gone.

57 ninetails  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:41:26pm

7 bigel 3/9/2005 07:18PM PST
absolutely in agreement with you...i don't have a link to corroborate the information, but, several years ago i saw an bio of Jennings in which during his early days reporting from the middle east he was dating hanan ashwari...before she had that black witch's mole removed from her acquiline nose...a match made in hell, no?

58 Out Of The Inkwell  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:41:40pm

Viewer demographics indicate that the average age of a MSM evening news watcher is 59+; hardly the heartbeat of America. This demographic is also applicable to many of the major lefty newspapers in the country (excluding the sports and comics). Maybe they're afraid that too many upsetting images of 9-11 and hostage beheadings would cause a round robin of strokes among their audience? Whoops, lost the Poly-Grip account!

59 Aladin Sane  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:41:53pm

52 Iron Fist

God I love it when you post like that!

I can't add anything...

60 ted  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:42:02pm

18 41 It's as #18 says: "I think the MSM will continue to avoid showing footage of 9-11 because their leftist agenda includes appeasing the Muslims."

The MSM not only wants to appease Muslims, but also encourage jihad

61 Malleus Dei  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:42:20pm

"I don't expect history to treat him kindly. "

It won't, and it shouldn't.

62 MARS Trucker  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:42:34pm

a list of Dan Blather's "achievements"

63 christheprofessor  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:42:34pm

#50 SkippyMoment

How the heck are you?

but rather wasn't first.. follow the link here and see what are real anal-valve rather is...

64 SkippyMoment  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:42:42pm

#52 Iron Fist

Field dress him

And now modeling the latest fashions in field wear, is Dan "the man" Rather, who'd rather be doing anything but modelling this camoflage outfit, but since he screwed his career by advancing a lie told by other, a lie that he desparately wanted to be true, he has no other choice... strut your funky stuff Danny boy, own the runway, shake your moneymaker danny boy... the people want a show!

65 Aladin Sane  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:43:47pm

I heard all of this shit about kicking Rather when he was down. Sorry, but I look at it like a fraud who has been revealed. Time now to count the lies he's told us...

66 Puff  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:43:59pm

My daughter was born on 8/31/01. I was at home helping my wife with our boys when the news was broadcast on the radio. I turned on my TV and saw the 2nd plane hit.

My first thought was "what did they just do to the world my kids are going to grow up in? How can I protect them?"

Then I got pissed. My second thought, "nuke the bastards."

That second thought has never left my head.

If you're wondering why I still think that way, even knowing that not everyone in the Middle East is a terrorist, look at this stuff for a little while:

[Link: www.twin-towers.net...]

Wake up, Dan, MSM, LLL! They won't hesitate to cut your heads off...or your childrens' heads.

67 Billy Hank  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:44:02pm

[Link: www.papillonsartpalace.com...]

One of several posible motives for the absence of 9/11 images.

[Link: 911research.wtc7.net...]

Another.

It does seem that it's an observed trend.

68 zulubaby  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:44:31pm
How much footage is mainstream media hiding, in a misguided, arrogant attempt to protect America from itself?

How dare you question the media? Only they're allowed to lie. Everyone else, full disclosure.

The Associated Press and seven journalism organizations are joining forces to promote policies aimed at ensuring government is accessible, accountable and open.

The Sunshine in Government Initiative seeks to combat what the member organizations see as increased government secrecy since the 2001 terrorist attacks. The coalition will lobby for legislation and seek to educate the public about First Amendment issues.

"National security depends on public trust," AP President and CEO Tom Curley said. "The trend toward secrecy is the greatest threat to democracy. We must be vigilant at explaining and fighting for accountable government in every jurisdiction."

The initiative was announced ahead of "Sunshine Week," a weeklong campaign for government openness spearheaded by the AP and more than 50 news outlets, journalism groups, universities and the American Library Association.

Words can't adequately express my hatred for the media.

69 EvilUncleAndy  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:45:08pm

Iowahawk slams another one out of the park, and Charles is the star!

My name is Rather, and I am a Dick.

70 eeevil conservative  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:45:08pm

For the past 2 days I can't get this tune out of my head...

It's something like this...


NA NA NA NA, NA NA NA NA, HEY HEY HEY

GOOODBYE!

71 Frank IBC  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:45:28pm

Charles -

Yes, I was struck by those 9/11 images and I don't remember seeing them before either.

One quibble - the tower shown collapsing was the north one, as it had the big antenna on top.

72 saltmarsh  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:45:29pm

Charles,

I watched the buildings fall on Fox that morning.

But before they fell, People were jumping to their death to escape the fire.

Those images and the raw horror they brought haven't been shown since. Perhaps the horror would turn to anger in too many people.

Rather isn't worth a comment.

73 justdanny  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:45:40pm

#46 obageegee

"Actually I think it was footage of an Italian film company that captured the only images of the North Tower being hit first. (I think)"

I seriously doubt that. Some muslims in the area of the WTC knew what was going to happen. That action was the greatest trimuph of the most backward belief system in the history of human kind.

In an attempt to "pay America back" for being a global power for freedom against everything Islam stands for, those evil bastards dealt the beginning of islams death blows to the whole islamic world.

74 SkippyMoment  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:45:50pm

#54 Aladin Sane

What a nice thing to say! [blush]

I think I just got lucky [hum, let me rephrase that] I just happened to hear Mike's interview on KSFO. I plan to buy his book. It should be a very entertaining and informative read.

Oh and incase you are wondering what I'm talking about

Rather Dumb:A Top Tabloid Reporter Tells CBS How to Do News

75 Aladin Sane  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:46:16pm

68 zulubaby

Thank God for LGF. I watch the news with my wife and routinely fill in the details of the story that I've learned a couple of days before, thanks to Charles...

76 zulubaby  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:46:17pm
My name is Rather. And I'm a dick.

LOL!

77 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:46:50pm

#7 bigel

While I'm glad Rather is gone, it is Jennings who is the biggest enemy on the network news -- a filthy, Islamonazi-loving, Jew-hating, piece-of-shit scumbag Commie Canadian...

Except for Canadian, that pretty much describes them all.

78 quesnay  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:47:09pm

The fact that the mainstream media (including FNC) suppressed images and news onm 9/11 is no surprise. When 9/11 happened, we tuned into Israeli Television and saw images that were never shown on the network news. In fact, when all those horrible homicide bombings happened in Israel, our media supressed those images as well.

79 Totally Berserk  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:47:50pm
How much footage is mainstream media hiding, in a misguided, arrogant attempt to protect America from itself?


I'd say it's a fair question. At first it does sound a little paranoid, but considering the history, I'd say a it's a very fair question.

Hmm, for example, we oughtta ask Eason Jordan if maybe he left anything out of CNN's coverage -- while doing everything he could to stop Bush from going into Iraq...


The other thing that's odd is that RaTHer isn't leaving the show on which the PHONY DOCUMENTS were aired, but the nightly news, which had nothing to do with that.

80 Rufus Lee King  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:48:21pm

I found his parting remarks to be the same old stonewalling against the misconduct that brought him down:

to be among those brave journalists giving their all to report the truth

To the last, obfuscating his unclean deeds and calling it truthfinding.

81 zulubaby  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:48:21pm
Actually I think it was footage of an Italian film company ...

Weren't they French? Those two brothers who were filming a documentary?

82 CrimsonFisted  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:48:45pm

#57 ninetails
Jennings bio on Discover the Network

Let him be the next to be exposed and fall.

83 alkmyst  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:48:45pm
#25 bruiser 3/9/2005 07:28PM PST
Heck, you can walk a mile in the shoes I walked miles in that day (WTC 7 to Hunterspoint, Queens via the 59th St Bridge). I can't bear to throw them out.

If you haven't already, I'd reccommend going to the site and praying there. It helps.

84 SkippyMoment  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:48:49pm

#63 christheprofessor

How the heck are you? Good. Busy. Too much to do, not enough hours in the day. How are you?

Dannyboy is so last week. I think we need to set our sights on the next anal-valve that tries to put one over on us. [big toothy grin]

85 Frank IBC  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:49:04pm

#46 obageegee

Actually I think it was footage of an Italian film company that captured the only images of the North Tower being hit first. (I think)

This was from the French firefighter's video - it is the only known footage of the hit on the North tower.

86 Pamela  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:49:24pm

I remember that day very clearly. It changed everything for me.

I came home early from Turkey, I would have still been there that day. My family was grateful I wasn't overseas.

it changed, EVERYTHING.

87 Aladin Sane  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:49:45pm

#79 Totally Berserk

Am I the only one that thinks Rather should have his ass chapped for the Rathergate fuckup.

So they fire some underlings, and he's still golden.

FUCKING NOT!

88 pookleblinky  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:49:59pm
Some jamoke skizzed my jalopy slot.

Iowahawk is a genius!

89 quesnay  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:50:46pm

By the way, all those horrible images from Omaha Beach, Peleliu, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, etc. were suppressed from the American Public as well.

90 CrimsonFisted  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:50:59pm

#80

to be among those brave journalists giving their all to report the truth

He said that about himself?!

Good riddance Dan!

91 christheprofessor  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:51:04pm

There has to be people who have these images (towers, attacks on Israel) that they refuse to show here... Lizards' next task -- find this videos, and make them public! (After, of course, spending all evening laughing our asses off about Dan the "Man" Blather...)...

92 Iron Fist[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:51:46pm
93 rabidfox  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:53:04pm

Rather's biases a history

This has appeared before, but I ran across it at Powerline and thought that it would be appropriate to reprise it.

94 Aladin Sane  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:53:09pm

Sorry,

It's like when you catch your scoutmaster jackin' off and he tells you that you need to be morally responsible.

You've been had Dan...

95 Puff  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:53:21pm

BTW, just watch the videos on that one site. Ignore the commentary from the moonbat.

Although isn't it ironic that a site could have that video content and be run by a moonbat?

96 Shinken  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:53:44pm

I saw the tops of the WTC burning from my office in North Jersey.

One thing that struck me that day was the difference in coverage in the networks. I had 3 Spanish language stations at the time that showed people jumping out of the towers, tumbling through the air, bouncing off of concrete. They showed glass coming down on people. They didn't hold back. But even that first day, the MSM were giving us a very sanitized version and video of the events. Even days later, I could turn to Telemundo and see people jumping out of the towers.

97 SkippyMoment  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:53:51pm

#87 Aladin Sane

The producers at CBS were in a dither after it came to light that the memo was faked. They were wringing their hands saying "we have to deal with this" "we have to come clean" but dannyboy was having none of it, and as they all were dancing on his strings, and he held their jobs in his hand, they did what danny boy wants. (according to Mike Walker)

98 kynna  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:54:23pm

Just want to 2nd (or third or 5th or whatever) Bigel on the Jennings post. On 9/11 he actually said that Pres. Bush came back to Washington because his advisers talked him into it. It was pure conjecture on his part and it wasn't true, but there he said it on the news.

What a jerk.

99 plutosdad  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:54:52pm

Good riddance

Ding Dong Dan Rather's Gone

100 Aladin Sane  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:56:20pm

97 SkippyMoment
Like i was saying, he bears responsibility...

As for a tribute to him, fuck that.

101 christheprofessor  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:56:41pm

#89 quesnay

Not exactly. They were hidden to prevent a loss of morale, but they were released eventually. The first images of American dead were in the turf at Tarawa. Roosevelt knew, politician that he was, exactly when to release relatively tame images (compared to planes hitting towers, towers falling, people jumping, heads being chopped off, etc.) to reinvigorate the American public. The media suppress these images today to prevent us from getting riled up. My feeling is, let the people decide...

102 texanista  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:56:42pm

92 Bear for an ear! :) I hope bud is still sponsoring that in the ME for our troups.

103 justdanny  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:57:04pm

#86 Pamela

It changed EVERYTHING for lots of us.

But now other things have changed everything too.

Big media knew that if they could hold back the footage for some distant future "Remember When" segment, a lot of us would have had time to have lots of other "It changed everything" moments in our lives.

The pendulum always swings they know. When it swings their way once again, they can hate us all for waking up to something we so deserved. They'll show the video as part of their "Oh Look How Awful We Were" segment. All the while kissing the asses of anti human forces globe wide.

104 Sarah D.  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:57:55pm

#96 Shinken

Why is that? Yes I think that Laura Bush was correct that we needed to be careful what our children were watching, but we are adults.

Show me what happened. Show me the hate. Show me the loss. Show me so that I know who the enemy is.

Show me.

105 SkippyMoment  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:57:56pm

#92 Iron Fist

[Dark, malevolent laughter]

Nice to hear that signature laugh of yours again. ;-)

Actually, when you field dress them, you start by hanging them up by their ankles...

Silly, I knew what you were talking about, but I liked my twist on it better... more unexpected, and the humilation lasts longer.

I am so deprived.

Better deprived, than depraved! ;-P

106 Frank IBC  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:58:05pm

#96 Shinken -

The Spanish-language channels tend to show more blood and gore on their news, in general.

107 templar  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:58:09pm

Lets review Danny-boys last hurrah:

George Wallace leaving the campus of Alabama University: 2 clips (cue pictures of Dan and his tribe fighting the white devils)

The Kennedy Assasination: 15 drooling minutes (money qoute: We didn't thnk this sort of thing could hapen in America [except for McKinnley, Lincoln]) Sorry if I don't get orgasmic about the Kennedys, my boomer pals. I don't worship the ground he walked on.

Vietnam: Dan braves enemy fire to show you the quagmire. Money qoute: We didn't go over there with anti-war feelings. At least they spared us the tired photo of the Viet Cong infiltrator being shot by the South Vietnamese general (after said infiltrator had tried to kill the general's wife and family)

Watergate: Half an hour (it seemed like, loved that line about us all feeling sick about it..how guliable do they think we are?)

Gulf I: three minutes. Money qoute: Saddam has excellent command presence.

September 11: five minutes, aka not nearly enough

Memogate: not nearly enough. Money qoute: I'm very passionate about reporting. Sometimes I let that passion get the best of me. (Come on Dan, say it really low and throaty, like back when you where a caller for a 900 number. I get all hot and bothered about fake memos too Danny-boy)

Liberal-bias: Watch as I scream about not being biased while I engineer a hit piece in an election year.

Take home message for the ignorant: Dan is a solid rock, dedicated to his vaunted ideals, willing to risk everything for them. In tough times he championed the oppressed, he fought the powerful.

Take home message for LGFers: Watch as an old gas bag deflates on national television.

108 Aladin Sane  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:58:42pm

I need to go to bed. g'night all. Keep the LGF fires burning..

fuck them that fuck with we...

109 SkippyMoment  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:58:55pm

#94 Aladin Sane


Oh thank you very much! Not a visual I need to have.

eeewww

110 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 5:59:30pm

OT:

Please vote "yes". If you want to. Thanks for playing.

[Link: www.khow.com...]

111 MARS Trucker  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:00:08pm

Hey if we are gonna poke fun at Dan Blather...


Let's get it on

112 Austin Conservative  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:02:15pm

Goodbye Dan Rather, or should it be good riddance! We did not watch your last show, like we have not watched CBS News for a long time as your obvious bias and arrogance came dripping through as you read the news all those years. Yes, I wrote read the news. You were nothing more than a news reader whose objectivity was clouded by personal politics. Of course you would only read the news YOU wanted to read.

Courage eh? I would call it idiocy. You are leaving as a 3rd place news reader out of 3, yet Fox News has all the liberal biased news networks beat hands down. You are also leaving a legacy of disgrace as your arrogance has brought CBS news down with you.

Good bye Dan Rather. Take your fake memos with you and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

PS. You are a disgrace to all Texans too!

113 Stop Hillary  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:02:19pm

"On Rather’s farewell broadcast I noticed two brief pieces of September 11 footage that have either never appeared before, or were shown once and then hidden behind the almost immediate media blackout on 9/11 images:"


"They took off the footage from my TV
Said it's too disturbin' for you and me.
It'll just breed anger, so the experts say
If it was up to me I'd show it everyday"


-- Darryl Worley, "Have You Forgotten"

114 MARS Trucker  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:04:11pm

Let's get it on pt II

115 TallDave  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:04:59pm

All the nipples you want, but ABSOLUTELY NO real human tragedies that might help get Republicans elected.

116 bruiser  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:05:21pm

#83 alkmyst

If you haven't already, I'd reccommend going to the site and praying there. It helps.

I agree, it does help. It took 3 years before I could even go back.

117 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:05:40pm

Meanwhile, the conspiracy lunatics on the left are insisting that planes didn't even hit the buildings. no no.

and if the planes did hit the buildings, it wasn't fragile and innocent Muslims flying the planes - no no - it was a zionist invention - a remote controlled thingy - yeah that's it.
or no - actually the government shot rockets because Howard Stern says there were no tire tracks at ground zero.

And those CBS memos were sooo real - yeah - so sugar coated with leftist biased and burnt kinkos Burkett juice - say the angry leftists agree with Al jeezera and and anyway ...

*lip diddles*

118 pookleblinky  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:08:02pm

#115

All the nipples you want, but no real human tragedies

That should be a rotating title!

119 J.D.  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:08:42pm

#117 Free Speech
Moonbats in Academia
This one's at Sonoma State University.

120 brent  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:09:23pm

#50 rather gambled...

Depending on whether or not your believe the story, Rather overheard another reporter that got the scoop on Kennedy being dead. He reported it as his own, became famous and the other guy is, well not.

He supposedly quietly apologized later for the incident, but never came out and admitted that he stole the story.

Besides that and the other 3 or 4 major fabrications that made him famous, probably a class act.

121 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:09:41pm
122 Iron Fist[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:10:06pm
123 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:11:06pm

I don't have a T.V., I've never had one, and I've never seen motion pictures of 9/11. But I still know who the enemey is, and I have a good idea of what is going on, and every day since 9/11 I've wanted to cut the enemy's balls off. You don't need a T.V. necessarily. It was enough for me to read the articles and see the still photos in "Engineering News Record".

124 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:11:53pm

I'd honestly have to say it wasn't 9/11 that changed my world view, it was the anti-American backlash after 9/11 that changed it. Prior to 9/11, I was one of those fence-sitters who dabbled in liberalism (because, at the time, alot of us didn't associate it with the hate-filled moonbats we do now). At the same time, I tended to share alot of my parents' views, as being a Navy brat, I knew that conservatives tended to make times easier on the military.

Even on 9/11, I didn't really re-examine my world view. I still felt that liberalism was something worth persuing and that all people were inherently good. Then I started going online and seeing the bile and hatred being spewed by moonbats both home and abroad. Started listening as, in the quiet corners of the net, they laughed and pointed while crowing "You got what you deserved!" It was after that, and especially in the first days of the Afghanistan offensive, that I became too disgusted to continue giving liberals the benefit of the doubt and started looking for the real truth.

About two years later, I stumbled across LGF from a link at Cold Fury and the rest, as they say, is history.

125 Pamela  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:12:29pm

#113 Stop Hillary

Thank-you, I've been trying to remember who sang that song for weeks now.


#103 justdanny

Yes I have had several moments since then as well.

126 quesnay  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:15:30pm

# 101

My dad was a Navy corpsman attached to the 1st Marine Division on Peleliu and Okinawa. He was in the first wave assault on Peleliu, which was a horrible battle with many casualties and of little military importance. He never really talked about what he saw on that horrible day for many, many years. Whe he finallly talked about his experience, many years later, I was in tears. Men being blown to bits, burned alive, the ocean shore filled with the blood of thousands of men killed and wounded. My dad told me stories about pulling the severed heads out of burned out tanks, trying to rescue those men that were still alive, while being fired at from hundreds of rounds of ammo and mortars shells. Those images, like the ones you might have seen in Saving Private Ryan were never realy shown to the general public. In your reply, you infer that somehow the horrors of war, pales in comparison to 9/11.

127 Sarah D.  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:15:34pm

Those bastards censored our loss, just like they censor our victories.

And who do they serve?

128 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:16:11pm

#119

They are everywhere. help!

129 MARS Trucker  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:16:26pm

#125 Pamela


Yes I have had several moments since then as well.


As the rest of us here too.

130 Iron Fist[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:18:01pm
131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:18:51pm

92 Iron Fist

I've always found skulls mounted on poles to be a lot easier to maintain then pelts.

And after the beef jerky incident, I gave up on taking ears.

133 Sarah D.  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:20:10pm

#130 Iron Fist

While they reap the benefits of what they would destroy.

'Night all!

134 marchandchronicles  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:20:20pm

#38 Darleen

They aired it only one more time, on 9/11/02.

The other day I watched a show called "Rise & Fall Of The World Trade Center" on the History Channel. It was, because of the general TV blackout on 9/11 images, the first time I'd seen it in a while.

And I wept.

That's probably because in between "Rise & Fall" and the last time I'd seen the collapse on TV, I'd actually gone to New York (drove all weekend from Indiana on 9/11/04) and seen where the towers had stood and how massive, how absolutely HUGE, the hole is where they once were.

I only wish I could have seen it when they were still hauling the debris away. Actually, perhaps I don't.

Part of the reason the media is imposing this self-censorship is because too many people are squeamish. Then, of course, they don't want to appear "biased."

Combine the two and you have the arrogance that passes for news coverage.

135 montanapatriot  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:20:23pm

#7 Bigel

Good on you, Bigel !

136 rabidfox  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:20:47pm

That CBS video was filmed by two French brothers following a novice fire fighter during his rookie year. Instead they ended up with a video that is an absolute classic. I found the entire, uncut, uncensored version at Wal Mart. They may still carry it.

137 Powderfinger  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:21:05pm

#68 zulubaby

"National security depends on public trust,

And interest rates depend on a balanced breakfast. Or something...

I'm guessing that national security would run better on deep paranoia. And this retard runs AP? Reason #3,178,694 to pay them no mind.

138 justdanny  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:21:18pm

#123 Ojoe

Watching it live injured me to my core. Though I could have done without that injury, I'm glad that I saw it live. It has dedicated some portion of me to do all I can as a single individual, in any way I can think of, to fight the vermin who support this illness called islam.

139 christheprofessor  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:21:47pm

#126

I don't imply (infer) anything. I didn't see it, neither did you. Have you read E.B. Sledge?

140 Iron Fist[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:23:41pm
141 montanapatriot  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:24:37pm

Good riddance to stinking rubbish...

142 Iron Fist[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:24:52pm
143 pookleblinky  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:25:16pm

#131 Kragar

Nice blog! I added you to my list of Lizardoid Brethren.

144 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:25:37pm

140 Iron Fist

Glad to be of service.

145 SkippyMoment  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:25:42pm

#122 Iron Fist

Not so fast sensei... smile away and enjoy the moment, for in true Skippy fashion, the wind blows hither and yon, then all change. [adjusts halo, tucks skippy horns back under hair]

As for the visual Aladin Sane left us with, allow me to say may I never catch a scout master in that *ahem* happy pursuit... eeewww doesn't even come close to describing the reaction to what that experience would bring. Some things are just not meant to be shared with others.


;-P

146 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:28:04pm

143 pookleblinky

Thanks.

plus some news to make the Dhimmi-crats happy:

Bush Announces Iraq Exit Strategy

147 Pamela  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:28:05pm

more lunacy from Lt Smash's site


The Mount Soledad cross must go, the San Diego City Council said yesterday. The 16-year saga of whether the cross would stay on public land in La Jolla came to an emotional conclusion last night as the council voted 5-3 to reject a last-ditch effort to keep it in place.

[Link: www.lt-smash.us...]

148 RepJ  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:28:26pm

I seem to remember those videos.

149 justdanny  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:28:35pm

Iron Fist

Goodnight to you brother.

I got nothing but respect for you and a world of thanks that you are out there in this world being you.

150 Egfrow  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:32:21pm

Did anyone TIVO this or capture that part of the broadcast where the planes hit the WTC?

If so would you be inclined to share it with us?

151 farng!  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:34:15pm

#149 Danny

Ditto.

152 PDM  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:36:30pm
About Rather's Farewell Broadcast

th th th That's all folks!

153 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:36:36pm
154 montanapatriot  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:36:53pm

#41 Rightymouse

Right you are. I didn't fully comprehend the evil monstrosity of it all till I viewed a beheading.

155 jscorse2  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:38:50pm

What are you suggesting? What conspiracy theories do you believe?

J.S.

[Link: voicesof...] reason.info

156 steve  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:39:19pm

I choose not to watch the ratherfarce retirement (should read firing) because my stomach could not handle his ilk. But I do note that the only good thing to come out of this is that in 5 to 10 years his name will be gone. No one but MSM will remember who or what he was. A scumbag. IMHO.

157 christheprofessor  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:41:05pm

GAZE

158 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:41:38pm

'60 Minutes' Staffer on Bush National Guard Report Sues CBS
Mar 9, 2005

Just in from Drudge...And the beat goes on...

159 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:41:43pm
160 Pamela  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:42:52pm

I didn't watch it either. Hubby and I were watching The Matrix. And I was grooming the cats.

I didn't want to add to the share of his viewers for that broadcast.

161 steve  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:43:56pm

Just found this on WND. A poll on wether or not the blather retirement should be aired. 63% said no so the station pulled the poll.

[Link: wnd.com...]

162 christheprofessor  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:44:56pm

#160 Pamela

Unless you are a Nielson family, nobody knows what you watch... (well, perhaps your cable company)...

163 MARS Trucker  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:45:15pm

#126 quesnay


That is the amazing thing about the human spirit, the ability to move forward despite great tragedy. Your father, like many who fought before him, along side, and after him, in the many wars and battles just responded to the situation. Your father, like the many careerist that I served with in the Army did not openly discuss the horrors of war because of many reasons and in particular, they did not want to relive the war. Years ago, people did not have the convenient term of Post Tramatic Stress ( a very real condition) to throw around. Men like your father probably never thought that they were heroes. So they chose to move on and live their lives as normal as possible. You have to pry the stories out from some of these guys and by my own experience, I have seen these guys beaming with pride that they had the opportunity to serve with great men and woman and the opportunity to serve a great country. God bless your father and the many men and woman like him ;)

164 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:48:12pm

#163 MARS Trucker,

Very touching post, by the way I'm baaack!

165 Hari Seldon  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:49:04pm

OT
this is a repost (with some addiotsion/correctiosn)

us on The right should not get cocky or overconfident about all this good news.. Its great of coures, (refering to the democraticzian efforts in ME as well as problesm with the msm) but its haredly permanant and we really need to tone it down a little or when theres even a slight falter it will all break and we will all be worse of then before. I know charles is as always being very good but some of us posters are not. So I think we need to be a bit more tempered and logical. For example the Hezbollah Rally had 500k versu the biggest pro desmcoaryc was 70k. to bad those hezbollah guys don't drink... (refering to the story that the pro russain guys got to drunk to counter protest the orange revolution)
anyway so we can be happy but we should keep oru heads and avoid becoming like the DUmmies who are into crazy theories and stifiligng desent. Personally I've noticed us LGFers have been getting well lethargic of late. I am not going to cite an examples but I think it would be a good idea for charles to open regsitairotns for a whiel and let us all have some fun with trolls and what not.

oh and Yipee bout Rather, hes an idiot and it is good hes gone :)

166 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:56:06pm

#163 MARS Trucker,

I might add you have just described my life in a nutshell, I tried to assimilate and I did for awhile, now I'm happy just being by myself, if it were not for my sons I don't know where I would be now.

167 MARS Trucker  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 6:56:31pm

'night all you great lizards. I have an early start by LAX in the a.m. Keep 'em guessin', and most of all..keep 'em honest (msm) it is the duty of every lizard ya' all should know. And by the way, Courage is something Dan Blather never had.

168 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:00:00pm
169 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:03:34pm
170 frankwolftown  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:04:48pm
How much footage is mainstream media hiding, in a misguided, arrogant attempt to protect America from itself?

You know the new Popular Mechanics it out with a story about 9-11. It's all how it debunks the conspiracy people and proves them wrong. Take that tin hat wearers!

171 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:07:02pm

Oh, I bet this will give the DUers a few heart attacks:

Bambi Revealed! He's an Ex-Marine!

After more than 60 years, Donald Roan Dunagan has revealed that he was the facial model and the voice of Walt Disney's Bambi. Dunagan, who was seven years old when he was hired by Disney -- and who agreed to appear in the "extras" package of the current DVD "Platinum Edition" of Bambi -- has told the Florence, AL Times Daily that he kept his role secret in order to maintain his image as a career officer in the U.S Marine Corps. "I would not have made it [in the military] ... with the nickname Bambi. I would have been history. I told myself back then, 'Dunagan, that's long ago. Nobody knows. Nobody needs to know Nobody probably even cares -- so just keep it to yourself.'" Dunagan also told the newspaper that he became an accomplished shooter during his military career. "I was often invited to go on hunting trips in Montana or the Dakotas," he says. "Most often it was deer -- and I couldn't do it. I just couldn't do it. I've done a lot of shooting, but I've never shot an animal -- not one."

2 things: There aren't any ex-marines (unless you consider dishonourbale discharges, but they're less than scum), they are called former Marines.

And he was right, "Capt Bambi" would have gone thru hell if anyone else knew.

172 wtc394  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:07:48pm
You know the new Popular Mechanics it out with a story about 9-11. It's all how it debunks the conspiracy people and proves them wrong. Take that tin hat wearers!


I read that in full and was amazed at how strongly it was worded to make those accusing a conspiracy look simple. It was well done and through, the ONLY problem is that the LLL will not even bother to take a look. Apparently, Rove runs PM too.

173 wtc394  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:08:58pm

uggh...thorough, not through

174 leftover54  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:09:21pm

#44 christheprofessor:

I never was good at math...


Sorta OT - I followed one of the links here to a page that had
many WTC/911 vids. I have a different reaction now then on 911 as I watched it live. On 911 I was, like all of us, stunned
speachless and furious - but I didn't know (for sure) who I wanted to vent my fury on. Watching the archival footage has me, once again, stunned, speachless and
furious ! - except now, I know where I want to direct my fury. Excuse my immediate, emotional reaction here
but I'm getting the feeling we have been swatting wasps a few at a time when we need to take a baseball bat to the hive.
I'll calm down shortly but right now I'm seeing red. Anyone else here re visit these vids tonigt ? Horror.

175 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:09:35pm

Total Bullshit!

176 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:11:05pm

No. 138 Just Danny - well, I'n an architect so maybe I had enough of a feel for the weight of the towers and how you could not possibly catch them in your arms if they were falling, not to have to see a moving picture of them going down. And then, not usually thought of, but it took lifetimes of work and fatigue to build them, and those lives wasted too. Damn! the terrorists that did that. I remember your remark on LGF ... head shots, a red mist, the only cure. Civilization must kill these barbarians.

177 Northpaw  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:12:09pm

I just want to be the 176th person or so to tell Dan Rather...

Don't let the fake but true door hit you in the ass on the way out.

178 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:14:33pm

Zombie has the photos I sent to zombietime last fall -- of the WTC just days after the attacks.

Shocking, horrifying, and NEVER SEEN ON TELEVISION. Click on Zombie's link to see.

179 sven10077  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:17:41pm

Charles you are dead on, and that is one of my biggest complaints about the IPM(Islamic Protecting Media).

I remember the jumpers even if they don't , and the MSM's intonations that "these images are too painful" is bullshit, they blitz Abu Gharib, they blitz the decapatations, and they even blitzed a captured doll. The reason they will not allow us to see what really happened is that it made it all too real. People were made to understand that persons who had lives they had left to go to work had to make the choice, "do I burn or do I jump?"

There is NOTHING more real than that, I remember before they sanitized the coverage when I was walking in from giving a tour of the armor museum at APG to an older couple seeing the towers aflame and then realizing people were leaping to their death that NOTHING can stand in the way of preventing anything like that from ever happening to us again. I never want my son to understand what he saw that day, when the cold war ended when I was 17 I foolishly thought our nation had left a better world than the one I had been born into and my children would never have to sleep knwoing nuclear fire could steal their tomorrows while they slept. That was youth and naivete there is still a LOT of work that needs doing before we can leave that world to our kids.

never forget.

180 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:21:15pm
181 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:24:23pm

#180 Rayra,

I have been tired of MSNBC for awilr now.

182 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:24:49pm

pimf again awhile

183 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:33:25pm

Censored photos of Ground Zero, 9-13-01

The government was afraid of national panic/riots if the people saw how bad it really was.

Brace yourself.

184 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:37:13pm
185 Spiny Norman  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:38:33pm

Dan Rather's first big story was a lie about Dallas schoolchildren celebrating John Kennedy's assassination; his last was a lie about George Bush shirking his National Guard duties.

What more appropriate bookmarks could his career of disinformation have?

186 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:38:34pm
187 Jack  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:39:05pm

Newsday in New York just began its own online poll about Rather, asking, "Will you miss watching Dan Rather on the evening news?"

As of now 81% will not miss watching old Dan.

188 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:48:22pm

#73
justdanny

Actually, it was the Naudet brothers, French filmmakers, who just happened to be filming a doc. about firemen downtown, who got that shot. It became part of their film, 9/11, aired ONCE on See-BS and never seen again.

I taped it.

Saw the real thing from my roof just blocks away. Kind of like being just back of the front lines in a war, instead of reading about it. Others, of course, were right under it all.

One friend said the sound and sight of the suicides hitting the plaza was like giant, exploding red paintballs. You can hear the pow, pow, pow on the soundtrack of the Naudet film, but they cut out the visuals.

Another friend who lives two blocks north said they were finding body parts on the streets in a several-block radius. And that they found still more carnage on the roofs surrounding the area...

September 12th, we heard that the Mayor had ordered 60,000 body bags. Only somewhat over 200 corpses were found "intact"--all the rest torn to pieces or pulverized.

189 zombie  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:51:55pm
#178 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb) 
Zombie has the photos I sent to zombietime last fall -- of the WTC just days after the attacks.
Shocking, horrifying, and NEVER SEEN ON TELEVISION. Click on Zombie's link to see.

Here's the link to the photos of Ground Zero taken by "Ed" (whoever that may be) on Sept. 13, 2001, and sent to me by Lady of Shalott. As far as we know, they have never been shown anywhere else.

190 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 7:56:22pm

OT

Poll: Major Change of Public Opinion in Muslim World


Key Findings of the Poll:
For the first time ever in a major Muslim nation, more people favor US-led efforts to fight terrorism than oppose them (40% to 36%). Importantly, those who oppose US efforts against terrorism have declined by half, from 72% in 2003 to just 36% today.

For the first time ever in a Muslim nation since 9/11, support for Osama Bin Laden has dropped significantly (58% favorable to just 23%).

65% of Indonesians now are more favorable to the United States because of the American response to the tsunami, with the highest percentage among people under 30.

Indeed, 71% of the people who express confidence in Bin Laden are now more favorable to the United States because of American aid to tsunami victims.:

191 Shinken  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:00:54pm

Rather's courage line is as original as an original Chutch piece of artwork.

[Link: homepage.mac.com...]

192 mjk  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:01:37pm

Well, Goodbye, Dan Rather. Everyone here has said what I was thinking and a lot more eloquently than I ever could. Sorry to say that I won't miss you. Could you take Jennings with you?

As for the moratorium on Sept 11 photos and clips and other such things, it annoys me to no end. Just because we don't see the pics and such, that makes it fiction or something. I can remember that day so clearly, how sick it made me. How many rivers of tears I cried for people I didn't even know. To know people were simply going to work one day and never got to come home made me physically ill.

I just saw a link on Yahoo about how Moslems were outraged by the terrorist story on the TV show "24". Apparently they think it's stereotyping. All I think is "Hey if the terrorist shoes fit..."

193 leftover54  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:02:10pm

#175 Nam Grunt

Total Bullshit!


?

194 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:05:23pm
195 sven10077  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:09:24pm

The Estonians have a good rep...

196 Protagonist  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:10:05pm

I can't blame CBS--or anyone else--for not wanting to show that footage. Their all snuff films; I'll be happy if I never see that incident again.

OT

The nature of bankruptcy & The Federal Stone Sanguinity Act of 2005

197 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:11:38pm
198 sven10077  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:15:02pm

#197 Rayra,

Yeah Beijing Billy was awful hot to "sign" things on his way out the door that he knew would never pass the Senate...

The EUtopians and UNneeded are pretending we are withdrawing from something that, in fact, we had never joined.

If "the US just has to understand that it is not ODD at all that the EU claims to be "one nation" but has 25 or so UN seats" then maybe the fuquetards at the UN could be bothered to know that we do not ratify treaties with just the stroke of a pen.

regards,
sven

199 QueenEsther  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:15:45pm

MSM 101


Come Thursday, March 10, 2005 to...

"Improving Coverage of Arab and Muslim Communities"

After our successful roundtable discussion in September, the
Chicago Headline Club vowed to continue this dialogue about
the ways local media succeed and fail in covering Chicago's
Arab and Muslim communities. We do so with this event, made
possible by a grant from the Society of Professional Journalists
and the Daily Herald. The Chicago Tribune's Steve Franklin will
moderate.

When: 8:00 p.m.
Where: Daily Herald Office Center, 155 E. Algonquin Road
in Arlington Heights
How much: Free and open to the public. RSVP required: (312)
409-7997 or headlineclub@earthlink.net

Hope to see there.

Andy
---
Andrew Dunning
Editor
The Beverly Review
10546 S. Western Ave.
Chicago, IL 60643

200 Protagonist  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:17:16pm

OT again, but

201 texanista  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:18:10pm

197 that's years old! what's yourpoint?

202 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:18:52pm

197 Rayra

Another reason to dislike Slick Willy, getting us involved with that pile of crap.

203 sven10077  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:20:02pm

#201 Tex,

I think Rayra was pointing out that the EUtopians are bitching anew about it, along with Kyoto...

anything to keep from asking why we are smarter than allowing ourselves to sign treaties that seem designed to screw us and Israel.

204 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:23:39pm
205 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:24:49pm

uhoh, looks like the ceasefire has been violated seriouslu now (not counting suicide bombs, etc)

Israeli troops kill Palestinian militant

Troops entered the village of Nazlat al-Wusta and surrounded a house where soldiers called on a man to surrender. After the man killed a dog sent in to flush him out, the troops destroyed the building, killing him, the army said.

I like that idea. When in doubt, drop the house on the guy.

206 justin42  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:27:12pm

All I can think of to say on this momentous occasion.. is the question on everyone's lips...

Whatever WAS the frequency, Kenneth?

207 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:31:55pm
208 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:32:40pm

204 Rayra

dummies. Belt or sling, plus stick = tourniquet. or lets waste time and money outfitting them with "ready made" shit which they can loose or get buried in their pack.

I still remember one training session I had with the Army. 4 Marines (myself included) and about 20 soldiers are sitting around when their medic starts a class about IVs.

Well, all the soldiers drop down, start rolling up their sleeves, prepping their arms, etc, while we listen to the medic, nodding appreciativley, when finally one of the soldiers asks us if we have ever done this before.

We all answer no. So then the soldier asks what we do if someone gets shot.

As one, we all answered with variations of "call corpsman and kill the f**king shooter."

The soldiers just stared at us. That was a good time.

209 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:35:03pm
211 Abu Maven  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:36:40pm

188 Lady of Shallot

Another friend who lives two blocks north said they were finding body parts on the streets in a several-block radius. And that they found still more carnage on the roofs surrounding the area...

Yeah, they were finding body parts blocks away for months.

212 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:36:50pm
213 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:43:22pm

best quote ever:

"So as he flies the blue lady of the skies into the sunset, we say "aloha, 5 O'clock Charlie" and return to our duties. Let me remind you the Weblog is open 24 hours for your dining and dancing pleasure.

214 zombie  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 8:51:39pm

#212 Rayra:

Speaking of evil grins: did that chimp attack (no, not Bush invading Iraq - I mean the real chimp attack) happen in your neck of the woods?

216 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 9:00:00pm
217 Bubble Girl  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 9:00:01pm

Zombie

I have heard the guy was practically slaughtered and mutilated by those chimps.. really, really bad...

218 Merovign  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 9:03:13pm

#118 pookleblinky

No, THAT should be the story of my life!

Oy vey.

219 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 9:04:06pm

217 Bubble Girl

From what I heard, they damn near ate his face and balls off.

220 ballantrae  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 9:06:33pm

OT:

10 more days until the United States starves to death awake and aware Terry Schindler

I'll try to drop by and post in a count now and then, so that when We the People succeed in cutting off her life support and starving her to death we can all remember that we did absolutely nothing to stop it.

Feel free to email me with hate mail or any suggestions on what I can actually do about it personally.

-ron

221 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 9:08:54pm
222 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 9:11:43pm
223 Bubble Girl  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 9:14:18pm

Rayra
Kragar


I will never look at chimps the same way...

224 floranista  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 9:17:44pm

Hello Rayra, always enjoy your posts...

225 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 9:17:50pm
226 Bubble Girl  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 9:19:09pm

Actually, forgot that it was Rather's last day as anchor, to a nightly news show I haven't watched more than twice in my lifetime... Obviously the earliest you can retire from CBS is at ninety years old... while Bob Barker, at age 110 just keeps trotting along, must be a the Sexual Harassment Groping charges he has chocked up, puts some spring in his fake hip...

227 trespasser  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 9:19:10pm

ballantrae:

Did you see this insane headline...?

Plans Afoot to Keep Schiavo Feeding Tube

Plans afoot? Plans afoot? How very sinister-sounding, maybe even Rovish! What is wrong with the people who write this dreck at AP? They actually see people trying to extend her life as something sinister, as if there is an evil cabal gathered somewhere scheming the most horrible thing the media can imagine... extending the life of someone other than "gunmen" and "insurgents".

228 Bubble Girl  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 9:21:21pm

Rayra

yes, I am afraid I am one of those DNR guys... our whole family has done the paperwork to have the hospital and physicians respect our wishes...

229 floranista  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 9:36:22pm

Ooops, forgot to put # 184...

Obviously the earliest you can retire from CBS is at ninety years old...

LOL!

230 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 9:36:33pm
231 foreign devil  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 9:36:35pm

I've been so fed up with CBS that I've refused to watch their stations ever since September 8th and that disgusting lying charade by Dan Rather. So I didn't see him last night and missed the two pieces of footage Charles is describing. Damn!

232 ballantrae  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 9:40:18pm

#222 Rayra

thanks, I'll try to find her.

-ron

233 zombie  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 9:45:15pm

 #232 ballantrae:

Here's eeevil's Terri-themed blog:

Straight Up With Sherri

234 LynnBo  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 9:50:49pm

Trespasser, well said.

235 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:04:46pm

Morning all,

It's 10 AM in Tel Aviv, rather cloudy, so don't leave your house without an umbrella...

/*slurpin' coffee*

236 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:06:58pm
237 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:09:02pm
238 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:16:39pm

Rayra:

From your link:

Kunz was placed on administrative leave with pay while the investigation is ongoing

WTF?

They should give that officer a medal. Pretty damn lucky, well-trained, or both. But certainly a brave man.

239 mikeymom  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:17:13pm

dan rather--9/11-ward churchill ( i live in co) CU gonna buy
out ward churchill -asshole gonna get millions- i sure hope this is a drinking thread-sigh

240 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:20:00pm

*pouring down now*

damn, I have to go out in about 20. Good thing I brought that umbrella.

241 ballantrae  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:22:52pm

Well, OK, I just went to eeevil conservative's website. And basically the situation is a lot more desperate and frustrating then I thought.

So, first off - it's 8 days until We the People execute a woman for the crime of being beaten to the point of brain damage by her husband.

There's a law people are trying to pass to stop this - check this website out (it's eeevil conservative's).

Look, I know we're talking about the war here - but so what? If our laws mandate that we can Excecute a brain damaged woman by starvation for the crime of being 1'3" shorter than her brutal pig of a husband; then we have no laws.

I'm not going to ask where is "NOW", because I know that they could care less about womens rights. I'm asking where are we?

-ron

242 ballantrae  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:26:16pm

Rayra, go to her parents website. You can see right there on video that this woman is AWAKE AND AWARE of what is going on around her.

@#$@#$ it! Look! Look at the video! See for yourself! Don't believe me! Check it out!

-ron

243 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:27:12pm

Go to bed people. Sheesh!

244 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:30:39pm

Well, I hope all this effort can stop Terri's execution.

It's unbelievable that the case for starving this woman to death has made it this far.

Good job in everything you've been doing to try to stop this travesty, eeevil conservative!

I pray that everyone who is trying to save Terri succeeds in doing so!

245 American Soldier  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:32:33pm

#215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Police: Bush/Cheney bumper sticker sent man into road rage


Hate to think what he'd do if he saw the back of my truck. Will post photo by Friday([Link: www.herbertsobel.blogspot.com...] The "Hanoi John" sticker alone would make him apoplectic. I DO get followed closely a lot.

246 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:33:08pm

rightasrain:

Up a bit late, aren't we?

247 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:34:04pm

Gotta run, have a meeting *yawn*

See ya'll later.

248 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:36:13pm

Sorry I missed you, Golden!

249 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:38:24pm

#243 Dirk Diggler

Just because you cant stay awake ...

250 transferthem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:43:10pm

Dan who? Dan who cares?

251 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 10:44:57pm

I missed the big finale...did they include the part where he pretty much felliates Saddam Hussein for that one 'interview' in the career highlights of Rather?

252 Spiny Norman  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 11:11:57pm

Sorta on topic:

Bret Stephens paints a compelling picture on how the MSM can't see the forest for the trees:

Bret Stephens: Media in the quagmire

253 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 11:25:21pm

#252 Spiny Norman

Great article!

A lot of people really believed the 'tit for tat' nonsense about the Arab-Israeli conflict.

I remember someone asking me at work a few years ago 'Why doesn't ONE of the two sides just STOP?' (as if this would end the entire conflict permanently.)

The MSM gets into their groove (the way they perceives things to be) and just makes the facts fit.

It's such a lazy way of doing their jobs - and they've been getting away with this for an awfully long time.

254 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 11:30:30pm

It's great that things are changing now, of course. :)

255 Spiny Norman  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 11:34:20pm

rightasrain

It's such a lazy way of doing their jobs - and they've been getting away with this for an awfully long time.

The homogeny of political ideology seems to have perpetuated one particular worldview and very few in the news media are willing or able to say, "Hey! What if conventional wisdom is wrong?" Anyone who does is usually branded a "Right Wingnut" and smugly dismissed as a crank.

256 Egfrow  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 11:38:27pm

OT: OT: Sgrena Bullshit again

Oh It's on now Mr Italian PM:
Italy PM Disputes U.S. Version of Shooting

From the article:

Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi also told lawmakers that the car carrying agent Nicola Calipari and a just-liberated hostage was traveling slowly and stopped immediately when a light was flashed at a checkpoint, before U.S. troops fired on the car.

Um, This contradicts Sgrena's own statement about the issue.

257 Egfrow  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 11:44:15pm

#256 Egfrow

Being that this is an AP article I would bet that the Italian PM was either mis-quoted or had his remarks taken out of context to put an Anti-US slant. If the Italian PM dis say this then I think we have a real issue here.

258 Ed Driscoll  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 11:45:28pm

#213 Jewels (AKA Julian):

best quote ever:

"So as he flies the blue lady of the skies into the sunset, we say "aloha, 5 O'clock Charlie" and return to our duties. Let me remind you the Weblog is open 24 hours for your dining and dancing pleasure."


Thanks!

259 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 11:48:13pm

#255 Spiny Norman

Yup, this is precisely what's been going on.

It's been an exceptionally cruel travesty against Israel, of course, as the 'conventional wisdom' blamed so much horror on OCCU-PAY-SHUN rather than the MSM asking themselves such questions as 'Why are these parents dancing with joy at their children's funerals after their kids have blown themselves up to kill Jews?'

Or 'Why does ALL the official PA stationary show a drawing of the future state of Palestine as looking exactly like Israel except without the dots for the West Bank and Gaza?'

Or 'Why would a people be claiming that they want their freedom and a state of their own while refusing it unless they can be allowed to move into their neighbor's state en masse?'

Or 'Why would 300,000,000 Arabs insist that the only possible people who can take care of 4 or 5 million other Arabs are an enemy that they despise and who they claim is trying to KILL ARABS?'

Or 'Why would people go to such trouble to kill Americans who were on their way to help award scholarships to some deserving young people in their population?'

None of it makes sense but they didn't question even one iota of it.

260 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 11:50:51pm

Back.

Most meetings are just a bloody awful waste of time, ennit?

What's that, Rather resigns?

Awww, that's too bad.

261 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 11:55:10pm

Hi Golden Jerusalem! :)

262 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 11:55:19pm

rightasrain:

You're up really late, huh? :>))

263 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 11:57:30pm

Yeah - I'm on vacation, actually, so I can sleep in - but I've been trying to get in touch with a friend in Israel who seems to be out somewhere.

So I keep trying his home phone (I don't want to catch him on his cell phone on the road.)

Would you mind dropping over to his house and leaving a note? :)

JUST KIDDING! :-)

264 rightasrain  Wed, Mar 9, 2005 11:58:50pm

Israel used to be so far away - but in modern times, we can all talk on cell phones, on the internet, etc.

Cool, huh? :)

265 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:00:14am

#259:

Not to mention why the EU would fund villas and overseas bank accounts for corrupt PA "officials", hate textbooks for schools, etc.

Or why the UNRWA would hire members of an organization, which has as its stated goal to destroy Israel and murder all Jews - and have the nerve to say that such affiliation of their employees is immaterial and completely consistent with filling a position paid for by the UN.

266 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:01:12am
Would you mind dropping over to his house and leaving a note? :)

That would really depend on where the guy lives :>)))

267 rightasrain  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:01:53am

Golden, what part of the country are you in - north, south, east or west?

268 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:02:54am

Call the cell. Doesn't he have one a those "hands-free" thingies?

If not, then it's a heavy fine if spotted by the PO-lice...

269 rightasrain  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:03:51am

He doesn't have a hands free thingie, which is why I don't call on the cell. He pulls over when he needs to make a call.

270 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:04:43am

#267:

I'm in Ramat Gan right now, where I work.

I live in Givataim, which is basically the same area.

It's cool, I'm only a 20 min. walk from the office, so I get some exercise that way every morning and evening. 'Cept when I'm too lazy or in a rush and I take a cab :>)))

271 rightasrain  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:05:08am

I still have an Israeli cell phone, by the way. I bought one rather than rent one so I could reuse it when I go back. :)

272 rightasrain  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:06:26am

Ah, very nice!

273 rightasrain  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:07:12am

It would be too long of a dash for you to drop by to leave a note on his house, by the way. :-)

274 ToxMan  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:09:12am

I'm hoping Drudge will post some viewer stats...

It would tickle me to see Rather go out on a "low" note

Sorta validate this whole "MSM is crock" thing

275 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:10:25am

#271:

Oh, yeah, I do something similar when I go to Denmark to visit. But I have a GSM phone and then I just load it up with talk time-units and get a local number.

Beats the hell outta paying for "roaming", which means that if people call you, the charges are reversed and you pay for them to call you in Denmark via Israel.

Yeiks! I tell ya, a costly experience.

276 rightasrain  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:13:42am

Yeah, that's expensive. It's worse to call from a hotel, though.

The best thing is to buy some cell minutes where you're visiting, like you said.

How many languages do you speak (at least three, I know!) :)

277 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:14:08am

Ah, yes, the wonders of modern technology.

*lapse into nostalgia*

I remeber the first PC my Dad had...back in 1983 or something. I used to play a cool hockey game on it.

The world really is getting smaller. Now we can talk in real time with people all over the globe. It's pretty cool, when ya think about it.

278 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:18:44am
It's worse to call from a hotel, though.

That's one thing you should never do, along with exchanging currency at the reception in a hotel or in an airport, LOL!

I speak a few:

Danish - mother tongue
English - mother tongue
Hebrew - Well
German - Passable, I make lots of errors with the grammar though
French - Forgot it all
+Swedish and Norwegian, as it's very similar to Danish.

I know some Latin, too, as I had to study that back home, harh. Forgot almost all of it, but stupid stuff stuck, like:

"In scolam sedet discipuli"

279 rightasrain  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:20:21am

Well, that's a lot of languages! :)

280 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:23:43am

#279:

I know a few phrases in Turkish as well, mostly stuff like how to order food.

Plus curses in Russian and Spanish.

It's something that I seem to have inherited from my Dad. We're a multilingual family. My bro and sis, too.

281 rightasrain  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:34:49am

Wow, that's great!

I know English.

I know a small amount of Hebrew.
I have forgotten most of my French, too.
I studied Latin but only remember one word: agricola. :)
I can count in Japanese. :)

I'm working on learning more Hebrew. :-)

Anyway, my friend finally answered the phone in Israel and he's doing well so I'm going to head off to sleep!

Nice to see you, Golden Jerusalem!

282 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:36:06am

#281:

LOL. Yeah, get some sleep, already, it must be way late where you are.

I'll see ya la'er.

Goodnight!

283 rightasrain  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:36:53am

Laila tov!

Lehitraot!

284 monkey  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:42:45am

didn't watch it. Could careless about old danny boy. he left on his own terms and that makes me mad

these guys have a funny treatment on it though.
[Link: www.kfyi.com...]

285 Mike C.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:48:06am

Good morning, to those posting from morning. You too, G.J. See I missed rightasrain. Do I gather he's planning on moving to Israel ? Everybody's gotta live somewhere.

286 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:59:59am

#285 Mike in Beijing:

Good evening.

BRR! Cold in your part of the world, eh? 20-45 F.

Do I gather he's planning on moving to Israel

Yup. Making aliyah.

287 Baldy  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 1:04:10am

I saw some 9-11 footage again. Was it on the news? No, it was a documentary on Nostradamus. I hadn't seen it in years. It took my breath away. I think I've seen the 12-7 footage more often.

Oh, Rush Limbaugh reminded me of the Weekly Standard article about Dan Rather, which mentioned that Gunga Dan started the myth that Dallas kids cheered Kennedy's Assasination. Molly Ivins mentioned it once, and I told my parents, they didn't believe it, but I did. I'm sorry I did. What an awful thing he did in 1963.

288 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 1:05:39am

Rather OT (ha-ha):

Got One in Tul-Karm!

Now watch the paliscum scream and shout about Israel breaking the ceasefire. Damn ugly mug of Zibbi Erecrap will be all over CNN now.

Never mind the killing of our civilians in the middle of our major city.

No, no, the media storm will be all about this piece of $hit, taken out in Tul Karm. How come Abbas' people couldn't find the guy, if we could?

You want som'ing done, gotta do it youself, I always say.

/End rant

289 FabioC.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 1:06:13am

To keep up...

I speak:

Italian (mother tongue)

English (second language)

I know Arabic script and can understand simple written sentences - almost no spoken Arabic.

A few words of Mandarin and Japanese

I can understand a lot of Spanish, Portoguese and some French - but not speak them.

290 Mike C.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 1:06:53am

# 286 GJ

Actually, it's getting well above freezing every day, so no, this isn't cold. The day we went to the Forbidden City last week, the temp never got up to freezing and it was windy, and all those damned gates acted as wind tunnels. We froze our asses off ! But a couple of days later doing the Temple of Heaven, it was positively balmy - left my jacket unzipped and didn't bother with a sweater.

Once again, you'll have to help me out here. What is making aliyah ? But now I gotta run upstairs and burn off a layer of taste buds and tounge skin in the Seczuan restaraunt. I'll be back as soon as I can have the burns treated by a medic.

291 Baldy  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 1:08:26am

In 1955, photos of Emmett Till's battered body was seen by millions. Emmett's mother wanted the world to see what they had done to her boy. I've seen the photo(s). Horrifying, but important in understanding the enemy.

The same thing applies today.

292 Baldy  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 1:09:25am

...maybe not "understanding the enemy," but its evil.

293 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 1:12:29am

Mike in Beijing:

burn off a layer of taste buds and tounge skin in the Seczuan restaraunt

LOL. Enjoy. I find that when eating spicy foods, the punishment tends to really come, erm, several hours later...

Doesn't stop me from indulging, though.

Making aliyah is the term used to describe Jewish emigration to Israel. The literal translation would be something like "to ascend".

294 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 1:20:50am

ahhh shucks...you mean I missed Dan say bye-bye? Oh well...bye danny, good-bye to bad rubbish and all that... I sure hope retirements miserable and everyone takes the opportunity to spit on you if they pass you on the street.

Gee...I can't believe I even wasted that much time on the arsehole. Anywho, Steyn's at it still...what a hoot,

Those of us who argued three years ago that Iraq was the place to start the dominoes falling and that the Middle East was ripe for liberty, for democracy, for one man, one gloat – whoops, sorry, vote…

Ya can't help but love the guy, The Bush Bandwagon.

295 FabioC.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 1:21:36am

#293 Golden Jerusalem

AKA the "Cheap Curry Syndrome"

But fortunately I have a quality Indian restaurant almost round the corner: even their fire-hot Vindaloo does not cause punishing side effects.

296 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 1:22:14am

293 Golden Jerusalem

I find that when eating spicy foods, the punishment tends to really come, erm, several hours later...

My age is catching up with me, as I too have begun to "feel the burn" am hour or so after eating spicy food. Doesnt stop me from eating the stuff though.

297 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 1:28:35am

#295:

It depends, some time I get the punishment, sometimes not. I think it depends on your metabolism at the time and stuff, too.

Eating raw chilis never helps, though.

#296:

My age is catching up with me, as I too have begun to "feel the burn" am hour or so after eating spicy food. Doesnt stop me from eating the stuff though.

Uh-huh!

298 Sarah D.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 1:49:50am

#297 Golden Jerusalem

Pepcid A/C. Wonderful stuff.

299 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 1:52:59am

#298 sarah D.:

I prefer not to have to take drugs.

Rule of thumb, if I have loads of coffee and little else during the day, eating really spicy food in the evening will backfire.

And again, raw chilis or pickled chilis tend to be worse than a spicy sauce.

300 Sarah D.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 1:56:10am

#299 Golden Jerusalem

Sometimes water will give me heartburn, I swear.

The Pepcid stops it all.

301 One_Shot_One_Kill  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 1:56:20am

I missed Dan's final broadcast. (But then, I've also missed Dan's last few thousand broadcasts, so...).

For me, it's difficult finding relevance in all the hoopla surrounding a consistently-placing third horse, in what for years was a nightly three-horse race, being put out to pasture.

Yawn...

302 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 1:58:35am
For me, it's difficult finding relevance in all the hoopla surrounding a consistently-placing third horse, in what for years was a nightly three-horse race, being put out to pasture.

Talk about flogging a dead horse, heh :>)))

303 hm  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:04:35am

Good morning/afternoon/evening.

I too missed Dan's final broadcast. Is there any conclusion yet as to whether the 9/11 footage was "fresh"?
Wouldn't the cameramen have spilled the beans?

304 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:05:11am

I'm having this e-mail exchange with the office of a client in Hungary.

They use exclamation marks at the end of each sentence. Weird.

Is that a Hungarian thing, or is it just an indication of my client's lack of patience?

305 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:05:59am

hm:

'Afternoon!

*slurping some tar juice*

306 Sarah D.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:06:50am

#304 Golden Jerusalem

It's impatience due to heartburn caused by bad Hungarian food.

307 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:07:22am

Morning All,

I just heard a good one, you all know that crappy furniture you buy and then have to figure out the crappy directions they send you? Well some group is bitching to IKEA Furniture Co. that there aren't any women in the pictures of the directions. How stupid is that, or is it me that thinks this is silly?

308 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:10:19am

#307 'Nam Grunt:

Sun risin' over the muddy waters of the Gulf!

How ya doin'?

---

Re: The IKEA thing:

In order to be truly PC, there oughtta be pics on there of same-sex couples and transsexuals as well, IMO.

Heh. How's yer head, BTW?

309 Mike C.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:12:06am

# 293 GJ

Oh, I have yet to suffer any ill consequences from spicy food, be it Chinese, Thai, Indian or Mexican, beyond the momentary difficulty in eating it. No gastro-intestinal effects, ever. But I'll say this about this place - eating there a couple days a week would forever insulate you from sinusitus or anything similar. Sweating and sniffing is my fate immediately afterwards. There is a good Indian place in this complex, but the food there is not particularly spicey, in my opinion. The cook must be from northern India, as the further south you get there, the hotter the food gets. Gosh - think I'll pencil that in for tomorrow night !

As to 'making aliyah', I kinda thought it might be something like that, but I didn't know if it was natio-centric or religious.

310 One_Shot_One_Kill  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:13:52am
Talk about flogging a dead horse...

Don't mind me. I'm just here killing time until Scheifferbiased(dot)com comes online...

311 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:15:23am
It's impatience due to heartburn caused by bad Hungarian food.

Weird, though. I tell ya, it makes me all jittery, all them ! all over the damn e-mails.

312 hm  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:15:50am

#307 'Nam Grunt

Well, the IKEA instructions that I've still got lying around here feature stick figures so must I presume that the wacko feminists deem stick figures to be males.

313 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:16:16am

#308 Golden Jerusalem,

Nah! The directions are confusing enough without adding a bunch of people to them, it will only lead to them making videos of weirdos putting furniture together, then there will be some award for best furniture film and so on. :-)

My head is fine, I don't drink that much anymore, at least not as much as I did in my 20's and 30's.

314 Mike C.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:16:20am

# 306 Sarah D.

Ya gotta be careful about that heartburn stuff. Early last year, I bought some green chili cooking sauce, and used it to spice up a dish for dinner. I started having pretty bad heartburn not long afterwards. Which is unusual, as I very rarely have heart burn. On the afternoon of day 3 it seemed worse than ever, and it dawned on me that perhaps it wasn't heartburn. The cardiologist agreed. Nobody ever told me that a heart attack can feel like heartburn.

315 Smit  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:16:26am

Morning all! sniff ugh - I have a horrible cold. :(

US scientist wins religion prize

A US scientist who helped develop the laser has won the world's largest annual cash prize for improving scientific understanding of religion.

Now widely feted in the scientific world, he was at first cold-shouldered because of his Christian beliefs.

Charles Townes, a former winner of the Nobel Prize for physics, has won the Templeton Prize, worth £795,000 (more than $1.5m).
He will receive his award from the Duke of Edinburgh on 4 May at a private ceremony at Buckingham Palace in London.

It's nice to think that science & religion aren't always at odds.
I like that quote that "You can't prove scientifically that God exists, but you can't prove theologically that an atom exists".

316 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:16:52am

311 Golden Jerusalem

I think you're reading too much into it! It must be normal for them!

317 Live_Free_Or_Die~!  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:17:25am

OT but since the Israeli's hang out early... thanks for someone mentioning Bob Kraft bringing the Lombardi (Super Bowl) Trophy to Israel. First I had heard of it but googled it this AM and found some stories. My favorite quote was(Bob Kraft speaking):

"I love America, I love Israel, I love Jerusalem, and I love American football. To be able to bring that all together here is a great sense of joy for our family," he said.

"It wasn't until we dedicated this field in '99 here in Jerusalem that we won three out of the last four Super Bowls. I don't think it's a mere coincidence," he added with a smile and twinkle in his eye.

Kraft is a classy guy and I wanted to add my "Thanks" for y'alls help in helping the Patriots win 3 of 4.

Enjoy~!

318 hm  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:18:00am

#304 Golden Jerusalem

Maybe its something analogous to the Spaniards who put inverted question marks in front of questions (and - for good measure - at the end as well).

319 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:18:11am

#312 hm,

Well don't they think of most of us as being a stick in the mud anyway?

320 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:18:25am

Heartburn is lightweight stuff anyways.

Now, get a kidney stone, then we can talk about "discomfort"

I would kill a man before going thru one of those again.

321 Mike C.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:18:57am

# 312 hm

That would depend on exactly how many 'sticks' it took to represent one figure, yes ?

322 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:19:00am

#309 Mike C:

Yeah, Indian food varies greatly with the region of origin.

I love Indian.

You must have some experience with Pakistani food, as well? That's pretty damn hot, at least when served in restaurants in Copenhagen.

323 Sarah D.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:19:59am

#314 Mike C.

You just took ll the fun out of heartburn for me. Actually, I believe my issue is acid reflux.

Scary. Now I'll have a panic attack every time I get the burn.

324 Smit  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:20:48am

#312 hm

I presume that the wacko feminists deem stick figures to be males.

Ha, you may be right! Have you seen the 'ideal' figure of the mother goddess?

She's no stick

325 ördög Johnson  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:23:30am

#304 Golden Jerusalem

It's a hungarian thing. I know quite a few hungarians and they all get a bit emotional in correspondence, otherwise they think people may not pay them attention. I already explained to them that:
Johnson!
as the email subject may have an opposite effect on me, I prefer some reference what the email may be talking about, rather than something I may interpret as calling me names. :-)

326 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:23:34am

#323 Sarah D.,

I have never had a problem eating spicy food, but I do drink alot of milk maybe that has something to do with it.

327 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:24:02am

#316 Kragar (el Kufr):

Yes! You're probably correct!

However! Combined with odd broken English! Their e-mails read strangely like! Military communiques! Like:

Please speed up advances on documents front!

...
?Hell, I dunno?

328 Mike C.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:25:19am

# 315 Smit

I like that quote that "You can't prove scientifically that God exists, but you can't prove theologically that an atom exists".

Huh ? I don't get it. How does one 'prove' anything theologically ?

329 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:25:27am
330 hm  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:26:20am

#321 Mike C.

Indeed, it would. I for one, can't indetify the presence of any third legs.

On that note, if you ever go to one of those IKEA restaurants - I'm sure they've got them in Peking too - look at the kids menu. You'll notice some interesting pointy-like depiction in mommy's chest area.

331 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:27:20am

#329 American Infidel,

Yeah! I saw that this morning but the reporter seemed ok.

332 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:29:22am

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Uh, kinda...

333 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:30:04am

Uhm, that looked different before I posted it...

334 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:31:05am
335 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:31:36am

I'm sorry I brought up the furniture thing now GJ. :-))

336 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:32:02am

Ah, e-mail #6 today from the magyars. Now w/out !s:

Just that address, which I gave you it is work. This is our building. We have here 24 hour guards.
So if we are not here, they can get it. But I just want to know the number, because, I need to tell
the guard.

---
Okie-dokie, then.

337 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:34:48am

#335 'Nam Grunt:

Personally, I reckon it'd be easier to assemble a space shuttle than some of the furniture I've had to deal with.

*#@$$! instructions, grumble grumble!

338 Mike C.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:35:01am

# 322 GJ

Well, the Pakistani food as served in Karachi is pretty much similar to Indian food at similar latitudes, if perhaps a little more influenced by Arabic cuisine. All good, that's for sure. I could eat Indian, Pakistani or Arabic food for a month at a crack, no problem. Except those nasty Pakistani deserts. A lot of them do not come in natural food colors.

# 323 Sarah D.

Eh, a little catheterization, a stent or two, $ 100 worth of extra pills a month, and regular lectures from everybody on the planet about how you're killing yourself, one way or another. What's to worry ? But my best advice is have good medical coverage. 3 days in the hospital ran about $ 25,000.

339 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:37:08am

#337 Golden Jerusalem,

Like the challenge I had putting my grandsons bycycle together at Christmas, very frustrating and lot's of foul language.

340 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:40:45am

#339 'Nam Grunt:

Yeah, and what to do with all the left over parts, LOL!

341 Sarah D.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:40:59am

#338 Mike C.

I currrently have no medical coverage.

You're not cheering me up here.

342 Mike C.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:41:01am

# 330 hm

Hell, I didn't know there WAS such a thing as an IKEA restaraunt. Whadda they serve, dowel casserole ?

BTW, I have just decided this is not a civilized country. The highest population country on the planet, and there is not one single H-D dealer here. There goes my shot at an H-D Beijing T-shirt.

343 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:41:05am
344 Smit  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:41:34am

#328 Mike C. - I think it's saying you can't prove anything scientifically by faith.

345 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:41:43am

GJ,

No kidding.

346 hm  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:44:49am

#337 Golden Jerusalem

What I always wondered was how the people at IKEA manage to put all the stuff together.

Then I found out that they too don't have an unblemished success rate, hence there's the IKEA bargain corner where you can buy discounted stuff which was damaged while people were trying to put it together. Usually, there's a pretty big selection.

However, I must say that the IKEA people are pretty accomodating, I mean I've always been given spare parts and tools etc FOC whenever I've asked for it.

347 BananaRepublican  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:45:43am

cBS "news" should have shown 6 minutes of "blank air" to fittingly honor the departing con-man

348 Mike C.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:47:11am

# 341 Sarah D.

Oh dear. If you've got any age on you at all, you might give some thought to doing something about that. You just won't believe how fast that meter runs if you have to have anything remotely serious done to you. Hell, even if you don't have much age on you, one car accident could result in hefty bills.

349 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:47:19am

#342 Mike C.,

Just a matter of time Mike and you will see plenty in China, they want everything over there.

350 Sarah D.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:47:19am

Political road rage

Bazooka's should be legal here.

351 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:47:41am

#342 Mike:

H-D as in Harley-Davidson?

352 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:49:52am
353 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:50:10am

From Sarah D's link:

"Oh, here he is again, here he is again," Fernandez screamed. "I have my kids in the car. He's running after my car. He's in the middle of the street."

What a complete psycho bastard.

And he was released on $2,000 bail.

354 Sarah D.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:50:33am

#348 Mike C.

Hard to do when you don't have a job. And, when I do work it's part-time which comes with no coverage.

Private health care insurance is astronomical.

355 hm  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:51:19am

#342 Mike C.

My fascination with motorcylces ended abruptly when my rented Suzuki dirtbike didn't do what I wanted it to do and I ended hanging from a tree in Phuket/Thailand.

That was the last time I sat on a motorbike.

356 GrifiN  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:51:37am

OT Scandinavian Dhimmitude: PM: IKEA manuals 'show sex bias'

OSLO, Norway (Reuters) -- Swedish home furnishings giant IKEA is guilty of sex discrimination by showing only men putting together furniture in its instruction manuals, Norway's prime minister says.

IKEA, which has more than 200 stores in 32 nations, fears it might offend Muslims by depicting women assembling everything from cupboards to beds. Its manuals show only men or cartoon figures whose sex is unclear.

357 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:52:24am

To add to the insanity of IKEA, the Company released a statement saying that if they depicted women putting furniture together it might offend muslims...now where is the RPG I had somewhere around here, I wonder if it will reach corporate headquarters of IKEA. :-)))

358 Mike C.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:52:39am

# 343 A.I.

See, this is why I had to stop reading WorldNetDaily. Too much over the edge crapola.

# 344 Smit

Yes, since faith is belief in the absence of proof, that would pretty much have to be the case, yes ? Hence my lack of understanding of a rather silly quotation.

359 sandspur  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:52:58am

OT

PM: IKEA manuals 'show sex bias'

Thursday, March 10, 2005 Posted: 1207 GMT (2007 HKT)

IKEA fears offending Muslims, a spokeswoman was quoted as saying.

OSLO, Norway (Reuters) -- Swedish home furnishings giant IKEA is guilty of sex discrimination by showing only men putting together furniture in its instruction manuals, Norway's prime minister says.

IKEA, which has more than 200 stores in 32 nations, fears it might offend Muslims by depicting women assembling everything from cupboards to beds. Its manuals show only men or cartoon figures whose sex is unclear.

"This isn't good enough," Prime Minister Kjell Magne Bondevik was quoted on Thursday as telling the daily Verdens Gang.

"It's important to promote attitudes for sexual equality, not least in Muslim nations."

"They should change this," he said. "There's no justification for it."

IKEA stores are visited by 365 million people a year around the world. Many products have to be assembled by the buyer -- the "flat pack" concept saves the company huge amounts in transport, storage and sales space.

Bondevik added: "I myself have great problems with screwing together such furniture."

Verdens Gang quoted an IKEA spokeswoman as saying: "We have to take account of cultural factors. In Muslim countries it's problematic to use women in instruction manuals."

IKEA was not immediately available for comment.
CNN WORLD

360 Sarah D.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:56:19am

#352 American Infidel

Yeah, I've heard that too. USF has never mentioned it to me. Coverage via a university is a joke though. Clinic visits, that's about it.

361 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:56:50am
362 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:57:00am

#355:

Yeah, I've had my share of near-death experiences on two wheels, as well.

Glad I wore a helmet on at least one occasion.

363 eeevil conservative  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:57:14am

Hey guys!

Good Morning!

I was checking out my tracker this morning- noticed a lot of hits from LGF and wondered who linked.

I am pleased to see "ron" so passionate, but I am sorry that he "lashed out" at ya'll.

Thanks for all the encouragment I get from you lizardoids. And a SPECIAL thanks to Sarah D.

I would have never been able to do the coverage with presenting the facts as clearly if it weren't for Sarah D.

A week ago I had spent 2 days in tears over getting URL's for the documents I have- (I am a tech IDIOT!)

Sarah D not only stepped to the plate- but she id QUICK, FRIENDLY, and HUMBLE TO BOOT!

As everyone wants to talk about how hard I work- please take a moment to tell Sarah D how awesome she is!

{curtsey to Sarah D}

THANKS SARAH D!

YOU MADE IT ALL POSSIBLE!

364 [Engineer]  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:58:53am

#215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Police: Bush/Cheney bumper sticker sent man into road rage

Had something similar happen to me on I-75 in Dallas, but it didn't go that far. That's one of the reasons I still have my Bush sticker on the car. I guess I should really get Texans' favorite sticker "Keep honking, I'm reloading" to go with it.

365 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 2:59:08am

One thing about LGF, start the day talking about stick men putting furniture together, and you will learn all you need to know about it in minutes. :-)))

366 Sarah D.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:01:11am

#353 Golden Jerusalem

Personally, I think that if this nutball can't contain his PEST when he sees a Bush/Cheney sign - he should be locked up in the psych ward. He's a danger to himself and everyone around him.

367 Mike C.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:01:35am

# 349 'Nam Grunt

Yes, I suppose, but I was astonished, considering how many much smaller and no richer countries have dealers. A business opportunity, perhaps ?

# 351 GJ

Precisely.

# 354 Sarah D.

Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. As a consultant, I don't have any coverage, either, but fortunately I do through the wife's otherwise very low-paying job as a university librarian.

# 355 hm

Wouldn't own a dirtbike if you gave it to me. No interest in that. But the only things saving me from almost certain death on an H-D is a lack of available funds and the fact that my VA house doesn't have a garage. Can't bloody well leave it out in the snow, now can one ?

368 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:02:10am

#365:

Yeah yeah:

LGF: WE'LL FACTCHECK YER ASS!

369 Sarah D.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:03:33am

#363 eeevil conservative

You are very welcome Sherri. Glad to help.

370 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:03:36am

#364 [Engineer],

Ummm, I used to have a sticker like that on my truck. :-)

371 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:03:47am
Can't bloody well leave it out in the snow, now can one ?

Hell, park the hog in the livin' room!

372 Sarah D.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:05:25am

#367 Mike C.

You and your wife interested in adopting a grown up kid? Do health coverages extend to adopted children?

LOL!

373 NuclearTinkerbell  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:06:26am

The Dan Rather Rocked By Rape Song CBS not amused.

374 hm  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:06:29am

#359 sandspur

Thanks for the link.

However, if IKEA's concerned about offending ROPer types, they really really need to modify the depiction of mommy on their kids menu.

Wish I had a link so that you all could see what I am going on about here...
(been to the website, but it's not posted there)

375 Sarah D.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:07:06am

#364 [Engineer]

What the hell is wrong with people? I don't go into fits of frothing over a Kerry sign.

376 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:08:24am

Tell me,

Toronto is Central Time, ennit? Not Eastern?

377 J.D.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:08:53am

Sarah D.

I don't go into fits of frothing over a Kerry sign.


Neither do I. I just smile to myself and quietly mutter "dumbass".

378 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:09:07am
379 hm  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:09:46am

#362 Golden Jerusalem

Predictably, it was entirely my own fault.

I simply wasn't used to driving a big fat dirt bike and unfortunately, I don't think I ever will be.

Anyway, as I was hanging in the tree I made a solemn promise to myself that if I end up being ok and if the rental guys don't get too upset, I'll never get on one of those again. Well, fate kept its part of the bargain and I kept mine.

380 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:09:51am

#371 Golden Jerusalem,

You laugh but, a very long time ago I had a buddy that kept his H-D in his living room and he would crank up his stereo and fire it off, he always wondered why all of his plants died.

381 Mike C.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:10:05am

# 361 AI

Yes, I know. I checked out the post on WorldNetDaily when you mentioned it. I still think it's largly a load of primo fertilizer.

# 364 Engineer

Or "Honk if you've never seen an Uzi fired out of a car"

# 362 GJ

Riding without a helmet is just plain stupid. My first helmet had to be retired with a rather substantial chunk of the shell missing. Coulda been a substantial chunk of my skull. And in my opinion, gloves are just as important. Everybody has the same instinct - when you fall down, you put your hands out. Dirt, concrete and asphalt pavement are all just like an industrial belt sander at any speed much past 10 mph.

382 Globular Cluster  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:10:22am
#355 hm 3/10/2005 04:51AM PST

My fascination with motorcylces ended abruptly when my rented Suzuki dirtbike didn't do what I wanted it to do and I ended hanging from a tree in Phuket/Thailand.

Heh, heh, heh. "Phuket". Heh, heh, heh. You said "Phucket".

383 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:10:33am

A small bit of good news


Suspected perpetrator of Tel Aviv nightclub bombing killed in Tulkarm district village resisting arrest early Thursday. Called repeatedly to come out he kept on shooting at Israeli paratroop force, killing sniffer dog. Troops returned fire and finally pulled building down.

DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources disclose: Palestinian Authority refrained from apprehending suspect ahead of Abu Mazen’s March 15 Cairo meeting with chiefs of Palestinian terror groups, including those based in Damascus and Beirut. Israel went along with short delay and even offered to pull back from Tulkarm district. But seeing total Palestinian inaction, Israeli forces took operation over.

384 Mike C.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:15:21am

# 371 GJ

Won't fit through the front door - I checked.

# 372 Sarah D.

Wadda you, kidding ? I'm still trying deperately to get rid of two grown up kids. Success is NOT on the horizon right now.

385 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:16:03am

#378 A.I.:

Thank you, sir.

#381 Mike C.:

Yeah. Had I been riding w/out gloves, I think they's still be grafting skin offa my a$$ to replace what woulda been scraped off by the contact with the asphalt.

Anyways, I gave up the bikes long time ago. Dangerous, especially in the wet, sheesh...

386 J.D.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:16:55am

Ann Coulter

Democrats are even pretending to believe in God – you know, as they understand Her.

The only people liberals can find to put up a fight these days are ex-Klanners and other assorted nuts.

There's former KKK "Kleagle" and Democratic Sen. Bob Byrd, who compared the Republicans to Hitler last week. Byrd having been a charter member of a fascist organization himself, no one was sure if this was intended as a critique or a compliment.


Come back, liberals!
It gets better.

387 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:17:08am
388 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:17:38am

Re: Ikea

Not showing woman in instruction manuals offends certain women, showing a woman assembling a davenport would put Muslims in a rage.

1)Most women who'd really get upset probably aren't heteronormative anyway, so its not like they'd cut anyone off, and most probably don't own automatic weapons or would car bomb the local IKEA.

389 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:17:41am

#374 hm:

I get the picture.

You're talkin' about som'ing like this:

(*)(*)

:>)))

390 Globular Cluster  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:18:48am
Suspected perpetrator of Tel Aviv nightclub bombing killed in Tulkarm district village resisting arrest early Thursday. Called repeatedly to come out he kept on shooting at Israeli paratroop force, killing sniffer dog. Troops returned fire and finally pulled building down.

The dog getting killed really chaps my ass.

391 Jabba the Tutt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:18:54am

How much footage is mainstream media hiding, in a misguided, arrogant attempt to protect America from itself?

It's not to protect America from itself, it's to protect the World from America. It's to protect the "right" values from the people with the wrong ideas. This all comes from journalism, that has to goal of "making a difference". It's of course, making the "right" difference, which means supporting the progressive agenda. Winning the war on terrorism doesn't fit the progressive agenda.

392 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:19:29am

386 J.D.

Best line was:

Teddy Kennedy's big new idea is to wheel out his 18th proposal to raise the minimum wage. He's been doing this since wages were paid in Spanish doubloons (which coincidentally are now mostly found underwater).

Either I'm reading too much into it, or its a reference to his driving record.

393 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:19:42am

391 Jabba


Exactly.

394 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:22:19am

Old lady scapegoated by CBS for Dan Rather's stupidity and willful ignorance sues SeeBS

Esther Kartiganer, 67, filed the lawsuit on the last day that Dan Rather, the newsman who presented the Bush report, appeared as anchor of the CBS evening news after 24 years. Rather, 73, will continue as a full-time "60 Minutes" reporter.

Kartiganer said in court papers that her defamation claim is based on a statement by Leslie Moonves, CBS chairman and chief executive officer, on the network's Web site Jan. 10.

In that statement, Moonves said Kartiganer had "abnegated her assigned function" and "CBS News is the worse for it." Moonves made his statement on the same day that an independent panel issued its report on the Bush report.

Kartiganer says in court papers that her role in the story's airing was minimal. She says she was directed on Sept. 7 to read transcripts to make sure excerpts of interviews were not used out of context.

Kartiganer says she had already been demoted when she was removed as senior producer of "60 Minutes" in May 2004 and made senior producer of "60 Minutes Wednesday."

She says she was replaced at "60 Minutes" by a woman 20 years younger, which is part of the basis for her age discrimination claim. She says she was stripped of her senior producer title and her pay was reduced by 20 percent.

395 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:22:54am

Mike C.

IIRC you can get a H-D franchise for about 200K, might be much more now.

396 FabioC.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:23:40am

#359 sandspur

That's funny... what happens when the taboo of offending persons-of-gender enters in conflict with tha taboo of offending persons-of-religion?

397 hm  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:24:23am

#382 Globular Cluster

I sure did. :-)

The thing was that the clutch had a bit of an abrupt biting point and the combination of that and a bit too much throttle sort of had me on the back wheel, hanging on to the handle bar for dear life, only to be thrown into a tree.

Actually, not only have I not been a bike since that then, I haven't been back to Phucket either. In fact, seeing as the bike was no longer in quite the same condition than when I had received it, I sort of gave it back in the dark of night - hoping that no one would be counting the spokes - and immediately made my way to the airport.

398 J.D.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:24:25am

#392 Kragar
Oh, I don't think you're reading too much into it.
[Hee hee hee]
Are you a speed reader?
Nice blog btw.

399 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:25:44am
I sort of gave it back in the dark of night - hoping that no one would be counting the spokes - and immediately made my way to the airport.

Hi-tailed it on outta there, LOL!

400 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:26:43am

398 J.D.

read it last night, and thanks

401 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:26:48am

Re Kragar:

I wanna party with Nathan Winkler. (aka "The Fonz")

Nathan Winkler, 31, was arrested overnight and charged with aggravated stalking for allegedly terrorizing a mother and her two children.

According to police, Winkler pulled up alongside Michelle Fernandez as she was headed south on Armenia and began beeping his horn and flailing his arms, pointing at her. Fernandez, meanwhile, could not see Winkler's face because of a handmade sign in his window that read, "Never forget Bush's illegal oil war murdered thousands in Iraq."

"Apparently, this starts over political views or bumper stickers. She had a Bush/Cheney sticker on the back of her car. There's just no excuse for it to escalate to what it did," observed Tampa police spokesman Joe Durkin.


I didn't know you could force somebody off the road in a Prius.

402 FabioC.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:27:14am

#385 Golden Jerusalem

I own a dirt bike, and I want a better one soon!

One of those modern 4-stroke 400, wow...

But I'm a prudent biker (as far as one can be), so I never got home with more than bruises and scratches.

403 pajamazon  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:28:39am

Can anyone link me to where I can see the videos?

404 hm  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:29:19am

#389 Golden Jerusalem

Well, next time I'm at IKEA I'll take the digicam along.

Less starry, more pointy.

Bit like the old stick figure husband had been applying some ice cubes to the stick lady's chest area. :-)

405 FabioC.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:30:49am

In case your bike "pranches", hit the rear brake pedal and it will put the front wheel back on the ground. Easier to say than to do, but that's the correct reaction.

406 J.D.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:31:54am

Better get ready for work. Later.

407 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:34:50am

OT - Italian newspaper finds a Marine claiming checkpoints are slaughterhouses

The translation is rough, but you get the gist...

[Link: www.repubblica.it...]

408 hm  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:36:03am

#405 FabioC.

I'd have to say that my reaction was mainly characterized by panic.

Anyway, four wheels are better than two.
Although, admittedly, I also managed to wreck a four wheeled contraption on one of those wonderful windy roads in Tuscany.

Do you know the road from Forli to Florence?
Life doesn't get much better than that, that is, if you're still alive at the Florence end.

409 hm  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:37:43am

Ooops, better get ready for work too. Later.

410 [Engineer]  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:38:54am

#372 Sarah D.

You and your wife interested in adopting a grown up kid? Do health coverages extend to adopted children?

Sarah d once got me running when she said she liked older men. Good thing I didn't tell her that most of us older conservative men have top line health policies.:-)

Running again, this time to work to pay for that policy.

411 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:41:54am
412 hm  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:42:20am

Btw, one last thing.

The IHT is reporting that textile imports from China have jumped 75% since the abolition of quotas on Jan 1.

What they don't tell you is that China isn't actually exporting any more than they used to, it's just that they no longer have to put up this charade whereby the stuff first gets exported to Hong Kong or places like that and then re-exported to the US.

Much ado about nothing.

[Link: www.iht.com...]

413 FabioC.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:44:15am

#407 Eric Cartman's Conscience

Saw that article... it seems another propaganda job.

Although, I've read in a recount of the fighting in Baghdad (I think it was Operation Thunder Run) that free fire zones were estabilished, and whatever vehicle entered those zones was shot at, be it civilian or not. It turned out that often jihadis took civilians hostages and made them drive towards the American troops.

414 Sarah D.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:45:27am

#410 [Engineer]

:-)

Gotta go take a Calculus exam. I'll be on the lookout for a frothing PEST riddled nutball trying to run Bush/Cheney stickered cars off the road.

415 hm  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:45:44am

#411 American Infidel

Well, as much as I admire the guy, I didnt get that either.

However, on the bright side, the Olympic "Inspection Committee" is in Paris right now, only that they aren't getting very far because the whole city has been put into gridlock by a public transport strike. HAW HAW!

Something about the "Human Right" to a 35h working week...

Ok, really gotta go now. Later.

416 Malleus Dei  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:47:40am

#401 Ed:

Got a link on that story?

417 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:50:16am

Man chases mother and children over Bush-Cheney bumper sticker.

BTW, I suspect this turd passed more than a few men w/ B-C 2004 stickers, but didn't have the guts to do anything until he found a women w/ children.

418 SlothB77  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:55:31am

#359

Now I am offended by Ikea's actions.

419 FabioC.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:56:34am

More about Sgrena: in a rather oblique way, both Berlusconi and opposition politicians said that eventual new Italian hostages in Iraq cannot expect the Government working so hard to free them. [Link: www.corriere.it...] The relevant points are in the last paragraph:

"[...]Berlusconi renewed his invitations not to go to Iraq, because it will be impossible to protect who goes there, while Amato said that paying ransom is conter productive in the long term".

420 Mike C.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:56:40am

Aack ! Blown internet connection ! Lost the thread ! Lost my reply post ! Bummer !

# 392 Kragar

Do you think she might agree to be a second wife to a rather mediocre-looking 54-year old ? If I had the money, I'd pay her to just visit me for an hour once a week and do stand-up. That is one funny lady !

# 395 'Nam Grunt

Damn ! Just checked my wallet, and, as I feared, there ain't quite 200K in there, much less more (so to speak). Still, there simply have to be enough people in this, of all, countries to support at least one H-D dealer. Hell, I've driven by the Volvo, Mercedes, BMW and Ferrari dealers here.

# 401 Ed

I didn't know you could force somebody off the road in a Prius.

Well, it's obvious you don't drive a Geo Metro, then.

421 justdanny  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:57:24am

#176 Ojoe

We are in agreement, brother.

422 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 3:58:03am

On topic (odd for this early in the morning, I know): There's a neat article about the man behind the nic "Buckhead" who was the first to post to Free Republic about the infamous memo:

Blogger sheds no tears for Rather

Just a little Atlanta pride here.

423 One_Shot_One_Kill  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:00:44am
...the Olympic "Inspection Committee" is in Paris right now...

I can see it...opening ceremonies...the German delegation enters the stadium and 100,000 Parians throw up their hands in surrender...

424 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:01:19am

#420 Mike C.,

Knowing how smart orientals are, they could build a replica from beer cans.

425 One_Shot_One_Kill  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:02:44am

Shit...

/Parisians

426 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:03:00am

quite OT - but worth noting. Remember when bin Laden said his goal was, '...bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy?' Or when the Islamic Jihad Army appealed to, 'Stop using the U.S. dollar, use the Euro or a basket of currencies. Reduce or halt your consumption of British and U.S. products. Put an end to Zionism before it ends the world?' (transcript below video)

Just a reminder of what's happening on the economic battlefield as the, Dollar Hits 2-Month Low Vs Euro.

427 Smit  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:03:23am

#423 One_Shot_One_Kill

I can see it...opening ceremonies...the German delegation enters the stadium and 100,000 Parians throw up their hands in surrender...

Almost, instead of surrendering, they went on strike.

Paris strike hits Olympic visit

Contrary to what people say, this could actually reinforce our bid,"
428 Peacekeeper  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:05:55am

Good Morning, or is it night? It's morning here in Vermont. Anybody want to talk about snow and ice for the umpteenth time?

429 big L  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:07:24am

Didn't watch Dan's paen to himself. But what Ted #30 said tripled.
I think the USA folks are too nice. Sometimes I have my fists clenched wantin to slug (like in Dilbert, fist of death). Some of these twits should have been punched years ago and now too.

I can recall the French footage on 9/11 shown much later and I think Giuliani interviewed, or someone doing a commentary. And you could hear boom, boom boom...in the sound of the background.
And someone stated that that was the sound of the people hitting the pavement.

MSM- fricken lying pricks. Now every story I look at in the paper I think, Yeah..r-i-g-h-t. Look waht the y have done to relationships between blacks and whites. Unforgivable.

Daniel Pipes wrote a col posted here on LGF by Charles. It said we may open a pandora box of Islmic crackpots in these countries. Well, if the truth of 9/11 had been shown as much as the Rdney King beating, we'd take the next generation of
Islamic f*cks out too.

430 BingoBunny  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:09:17am

Bush/Cheney bumper sticker, drives Florida moonbat into road rage attack on mother and her 2 children peacefully driving home from the grocery store.

"don't forget Bush's illegal oil war has murder thousands of people" hand held sign from Nathan said. as he drove along trying to run her off the road.

431 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:10:26am

#428 Peacekeeper,

Sunny and nice here on the Texas gulf coast 45 degrees, and expected to rise to about 72 degrees. Sorry didn't mean to still your thunder ED. :-)

432 Mike C.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:12:55am

# 423 One_Shot_One_Kill

They are going to start talking about the bad timing of that Paris strike coinciding with the Olympic Committee visit in just a few minutes on CNN Int. Heh. Of course, they are also announcing they'll be showing Coffee's speech to the anti(my ass !)-terrorism conference in a few as well.

# 424 'Nam Grunt

Nah, not much 'luminum in them H-Ds, and yes - the beer cans here are 'luminum, too. Still have real pop-tops in them, though. The amazing thing is that India still builds the (almost completely) original Royal Enfields, as they kept the factory that Royal Enfield set up in India after the parent company went bust way back when. They have electric starters and turn signals now, but otherwise, they're pretty much the same bike as they were when they were built in the UK in the 60s. You can get them in the US for cheap, and they are definitely like deja vu all over again.

433 Peacekeeper  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:15:19am

Nam Grunt
No way! With these leftover threads from last night, the weather is as good a topic as any. NOW is the winter of my discontent; i.e. cabin fever. Another five degree wake up but I wore shortsleeves in protest.
Tell us about the weather in Vietnam? How'd it compare to Texas?

434 SlothB77  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:17:46am

Artificial manipulation of currencies are not sustainable.

Eventually, sheer reality pokes its ugly head, hence the wonders of the marketplace.

Soros and these Islamofascists put their money in the currencies of these socialist countries, right, where there is 10% or 12% employment? And here in the US you still have strong growth and strong employment in high skill trades such as pharma, biotech, IT, engineering, aviation, etc. Which currency is going to grow in value over the long term?

The idea is that our growth will soon dwarf the trade and budget deficits that weigh us down. I am probably supporting my argument poorly, but currency markets are governed by the facts that give value to these different currencies, not by the Soros' and oil-rich dictators of the world.

435 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:18:22am

#433 Peacekeeper,

In 'nam it was a little warmer but it didn't bother me that much, same humidity though, of course I don't walk around with a rucksack here in Texas. :-p

436 Peacekeeper  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:21:25am

Let me just share my outrage over the suppression of the 9/11 evidence. I can't say anything new, but it really, really pisses me off. The videos exist, owned by MSM. Bastards...

437 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:22:22am

#426 aboo-hoo-hoo:

Well, I'm not sure the low dollar hurts the US as much as it does the EU.

The EUro-zone is experiencing something like 0 growth and has huge unemployment. EU exports are struggling to compete due to the high Euro.

Main US prob is the deficit, but I'd say that's still fixable.

Meanwhile, US growth remains high.

I think the pressure is squarely on the EUros, and when the Soros-types decide to kick 'em in the teeth sometime in the next two or three years, you'll see some severe problems facing the Euro-zone.

That's my 2 cents (in your choice of currency) on that issue.

438 One_Shot_One_Kill  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:23:53am

I nominate Jacques Chirac as the official Paris Olympics javelin catcher...

439 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:24:14am

In short, my assessment appears to be very similar to that presented in #434.

440 Peacekeeper  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:25:07am

Golden Jerusalem

Soros may be doing a "pump and dump" scheme with the Euro. In the meantime European companies like BMW and even Airbus are looking to open plants in the USA- which is all one needs to know about their confidence in the Euro zone.

441 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:26:19am

Peacekeeper,

I remember a few years ago when I worked in Chicago, I believe to this day that those five winters I spent there were the most miserable five years I ever had, I don't see how those folks live there all of their life.

442 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:27:44am

#438 One_Shot_One_Kill,

Only if he is blindfolded.

443 Peacekeeper  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:32:19am

The thing about Vermont is that spring is short-the trees bud in early to mid May. After that the Greenery fairly EXPLODES into full summer. Summer here is beautiful and the Fall is fairly restrained in temp and foliage season is world famous. Early winter I can take but by February the snow and ice and below zero nights really get to me.
We had high winds and below zero the other night. I was laying there in bed feeling the house shake and thinking that a few inches of wall were all that kept us from being flash frozen...

444 Mike C.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:32:24am

# 438 One_Shot_One_Kill

Hard to hit a worm at any distance with a spear.

445 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:34:02am

#440 Peacekeeper:

Yes, very true. The EU is a colossus on clay feet.

It won't get any better once they start admitting less stable economies into the Euro-zone.

It'll be fun to watch to watch the whole thing crash 'n burn. I reckon the time horizon on this is 24-36 months.

I'll be like Nero, fiddlin' away as the mothef*cker burns...

446 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:34:43am

#443 Peacekeeper,

There is plenty of room here in Texas, get a u-haul instead of a blanket. :-)

447 Peacekeeper  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:35:29am

The flip side of the weather coin is that once the house hits 80 degrees I can't sleep. Maybe that's my Finnish ancestry but I can sleep fine in cold- heat keeps me awake.

448 peggie  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:36:08am

OT big time for months now i've been scratching my head. i followed a bit on john f kerry sucks [web site] that led me to a computer business website [acsa.net] that definately doesn't like kerry or the dems. with all the talk of oil, this group points the finger at jay rockefellar as the real culprit. it claims that he wanted control of the oil and did not want the oil turned over to the iraqis. in august of this year the co. also filed against the kerry campaign challenging the campaigns allegations that the bush campaign was using the same dirty tricks on kerry that was used on mccain in 2000 [supposedly knew allegations were false and mccain didn't want to go there also]. some of the stuff that this co. states seemed way too heavy and with all the conspiracy theories out there - who needs another. i think their conspiracies could trump the ones dismissing bin laden, etc.

449 American Soldier  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:37:23am

#38 Darleen

Of course, it was broadcast only once, 6 mos after 9/11, on CBS and then it was like it never existed. I wrote CBS numerous time asking why they didn't air it again, never got a reply.


I actually have a DVD copy of that. Never watched it. The memories of the day are plenty vivid. Maybe I can get it uploaded for public access. Have to figure that out.

450 One_Shot_One_Kill  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:39:07am

Wondering...

In a Paris Olympics, would France enter a team in the shooting events, or would they just have an American team compete for them?

451 Peacekeeper  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:41:25am

Golden Jerusalem

The whole EU welfare state looks unsustainable in the mid term. They can't admit all those countries (Turkey?) and afford to put 'em all on the dole. Sensible countries like Poland and the Czechs are already skeptical of the French-German (small a) axis- and they should be. EU could end up like Bosnia, flying apart from internal schisms.

452 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:42:12am
In a Paris Olympics, would France enter a team in the shooting events, or would they just have an American team compete for them?

Dunno 'bout that but if "Surrender" was an olympic discipline, you know they'd take Gold, Silver and Bronze!

453 Peacekeeper  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:44:02am

One Shot

My understanding is that the "shooting sports" in the Olympics have degenerated to air guns. Nobody does any practical shooting events at all.

454 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:45:12am

Very soon EU will be muslim anyway, then what happens?

455 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:45:36am

#451 Peacekeeper:

Oh, yes, it's the truly wonderful thing about the whole EUtopia.

It's completely unsustainable and unworkable and the potential for conflict on all levels just grows by the day.

It's a hideous monster and it's doomed.

Lucky for us, as the EU tends to support terrorists (Hezb'allah, Hamas, palis in general) rather than democracies (Israel).

456 One_Shot_One_Kill  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:45:52am

If I were the French Olympic Track Coach, I'd merely stand behind my guys at the start of each race and when the gun goes off, shout, "THE GERMANS ARE COMING!"

Gold, baby...

457 Peacekeeper  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:47:42am

Global gun control is well advanced. There is some hope. I saw some homemade shotguns in Bosnia that crafty people put together from galvanized pipes, springs and door bolts. They claim they were effective in combat.

458 leftover54  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:48:12am

From "road rage" to "road rash" - it's all here folks !

and .this...
OSLO, Norway (Reuters) -- Swedish home furnishings giant IKEA is guilty of sex discrimination by showing only men putting together furniture in its instruction manuals, Norway's prime minister says.

is freaking scary ! The Prime Minister is concerning himself with freaking IKEA ads ? Picture what our country could be like if a "moonbat" makes it to the White House - Jimah wasn't even this wacked.

I have to admit - Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers still get me a bit peeved. I was behind a Volvo at Mickey D's a month ago or so. I pulled up to the drive in window to get my order. All of a sudden the Vovo brakes in front of me - I notice then the K/E bumper sticker, child car seats in the back etc. Then the driver side door flys open and a pissed off, stereotypical LLL, mother
stomps up to the drive up window (squeezes between my car and the wall) and thrusts the "promo toy" bag in through the window proclaiming "We do not need these".
I felt bad for the kids in that car. What a witch. I was so put off by this it never occurred to me to ask the cashier just what
was the toy ? I did quip to the cashier "was it Bush action figure ? She just looked very confused by it all so I just drove away. Don't ask me what a "stereotypical" LLL looks like - you just know one when you see one - yeah, I guess that means I'm a typical RW nutjob but I don't give a rats ass. However, I do keep my emotions in check.

459 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:48:36am

#454 'Nam Grunt:

Well, if they don't decide to bend over and take it, I guess they'll have themselves a nice civil war type scenario with a huge fifth column of mussies.

Can't wait!

460 Hankmeister  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:50:55am

Every year Americans need to see that footage. I also noticed some "new" footage, particularly of the one which showed the second aircraft slicing its way through the other tower.

I think these left-wing moonbats with terminal memory loss syndrome ought to be required to watch at least an hour of 9/11 footage each month since their brains are obviously having a problem processing and retaining the information. Probably ought to throw in at least ten minutes of the footage which clearly shows Americans jumping to their death because they didn't want to be burned to death in the conflagration. If there was anything seared, seared, in the mind of John F'in Kerry and the rest of the damn liberals, it should have been 9/11! The fact that the hijackers were mostly Wahabbist Saudis is almost irrelevant since the Wahabbist mindset is shared by many Pakistanis, Syrians, Iranians, Iraqis, Palestinians, and to some extent Egyptians, Libyans, etc. These Johnny Jihadists are all cousins in the cause of their unholy crusade against "Great Satan America", so America has an obligation to track these militant SOBs down WHEREVER they are and kill them. And rogue states ought to be at the top of the list.

461 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:52:58am

#460:

but...but...but

root causes!

/LLL off

462 alkmyst  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:54:42am
#426 aboo-Hoo-Hoo 3/10/2005 06:03AM PST

quite OT - but worth noting. Remember when bin Laden said his goal was, '...bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy?' Or when the Islamic Jihad Army appealed to, 'Stop using the U.S. dollar, use the Euro or a basket of currencies. Reduce or halt your consumption of British and U.S. products. Put an end to Zionism before it ends the world?' (transcript below video)

Just a reminder of what's happening on the economic battlefield as the, Dollar Hits 2-Month Low Vs Euro.

I wouldn't give OBL any credit (or cash) on this - I have a feeling that it's intentional.

If the $ goes down, it will increase exports, no? And at the same time, decreasing imports to the US. It will make the US more self-sufficient, take for example W's initiative to open up 2000 acres of ANWAR. Now keep in mind, I am an environmentalist, and 2000 acres for the development benefits that it would provide is a wonderful idea...

Let the EU go to hell, and buy American!

463 FloridaHeat  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:55:14am

#436 Peacekeeper

Let me just share my outrage over the suppression of the 9/11 evidence. I can't say anything new, but it really, really pisses me off. The videos exist, owned by MSM. Bastards...

My brother returned to the city as soon as the first tower was hit and went right to the site. The firemen were gathered, looking out the window to the courtyard where the jumpers were landing. There were people taking pictures. My brother said it was the most horrific site he had ever seen - people literally exploded like waterballoons on landing. Their clothes burst open, their guts expelled through openings, the skin on their arms and legs laying flat like a pool toy without any air. Blood splashed several stories up on the walls of the buildings. There were people taking pictures... but who knows if those people survived themselves?

I lived in one of the bedroom communities in NJ that had a large number of casualties. My children were in the same class with children whose father jumped to his death. I knew the wife very well - we were class mothers and girl scout leaders together. He always volunteered at the school for different projects and went on a rafting trip with us. The only reason they know what happened to their father is, someone took a picture of him as he fell, and they knew him by the clothes he was wearing. I'm haunted by thoughts of his last moments -- and of others in the WTC. Not a day goes by that I don't think about them.

464 Mike C.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:56:44am

# 448 peggie

WTF ? What the hell does Jay Rockerfeller have to do with the oil biz, other than inhereting money from his ancestors ? None of his family have any power in the oil biz any more. John D. is long, long dead, and Standard Oil long ago broken up and scattered to the winds. Although some descendent bits have recently rejoined, as in Exxon/Mobil. But those outfits are ruled these days by lawyers and beancounters. Trust me on that one.

# 450 OSOK

Heh. On the other hand, what American team would represent them ? Their supporters are all anti-gun moonbats. Not much hope for a shooting medal there. If they can get some sort of PC event, though, they'll need a dump truck to haul all the medals home.

465 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 4:57:57am

Ann Coulter has a few nougats of hilarious truth in her latest. I love how she gets Liberals all "hopping mad" and panty twisted.

Liberals have been completely intellectually vanquished. Actually, they lost the war of ideas long ago. It's just that now their defeat is so obvious, even they've noticed.

Heh.

466 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:00:28am

My boss, who likes to do some fairly involved analysis of wave-forms and the such, based on some report he got yesterday, has revised his oil price guestimate from about $70 by year end to low $80s, with a peak WTI price of $91 possible this year.


Of course, he owns an oil company, and is long in commodities, so he is a happy camper.

467 Mike C.  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:03:04am

# 462 alkmyst

Actually, that oil drilling acreage (a rather small amount) was set aside for oil development when the ANWR was established. In that sense, Bush is not really trying to "open" it, just to let the original intent of the establishment legislation go forward.

Anyway, folks, late here, so I am off.

Mike C.

468 Smit  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:03:22am

#454 'Nam Grunt:

Very soon EU will be muslim anyway, then what happens?

It'll be like Saudi Arabia & Egypt without the sun, sand or oil.

469 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:04:09am

The low dollar is a tool being employed in economic warfare against the EUros.

I think it's definitely intentional.

EU exports suffer and the Growth and Stability Pact Stable Zero-Growth Pact is buckling.

It'll be fun to watch the whole EUtopia unravel.

24-36 months, baby.

Remeber where you heard it first!

470 Peacekeeper  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:05:30am

Meanwhile a Ward "Chutch" Churchill can travel and live large peddling his seditious poison to the next generation of college kids.

471 hornet  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:07:11am

#461 Golden well I agree, but that game at stamford bridge could have been the final, it was shown live on TV here, I was drained for 24 hrs. Saturday they will show magpies v spurs live, too bad I will be at work.

472 Smit  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:07:21am

Iran 'given Pakistan centrifuges'

The Pakistani information minister stated again on Thursday that his government had no knowledge of Dr Khan's activities.

Last month he dismissed reports that the US was probing whether Dr Khan had sold nuclear secrets to Arab nations.

yes, because Iran is not Arab, y'know.

473 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:10:40am

Hornet,

Yeah, what a cracker that was, eh?

Spurs play on Sunday, I guess I'll catch it live somewhere, either at home or down the pub.

Where are you at anyways. Geographical location, like?

474 Firebreather  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:10:46am

As a very young man who cared nothing for politics or news in the early 90s, my moment of epiphany with Dan Rather came during a broadcast of the "Arsenio Hall" show, on which Blather appeared in late 1992. The subject was the LA Riots of the previous spring (in the aftermath of the Rodney King verdict). Blather was speaking in a strange "street lingo" totally inappropriate for a 60 year old news anchorman. He was flailing his arms like a rap star, like Ice Cube, and using ghetto slang, doing weird handshakes with Arsenio.

But it was what he said that made my jaw drop open...the rioters were "freedom fighters," who should not be prosecuted. The guys who nearly killed Reginald Denny were fighting for social justice, and were noble young men. White people were "genocidal racists." We could expect many more riots because of the effects of systemic, institutionalized "white racism."

On and on and on he went, with Arsenio nodding his head approvingly. That was how I came to "know" the real Dan Blather.

475 AtlasShrugged  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:11:12am

In case you hadn't heard this, Saudis Fund Columbia University Program that TRAINS PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS!

if you haven't seen this, get on it - the implications are devastating
a deeper cancer than Sunday's conference (as horrible as that was) addressed...subsequent entries detail that conference (if you havent seen it - "Academic Integrity", March 6)

476 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:11:54am

#472:

Yeah, it's all in the small print.

477 One_Shot_One_Kill  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:12:09am

#464 Mike C.

Never thought of that. Good point.

Moving on...

Of all the Olympic mascots, I think Moscow's [1980] Misha the Bear Cub was the best.

A Paris Olympics would need a similar cutsie-toosie mascot to help market their Games. I'm thinking Marcel the Surrender Monkey.

478 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:14:08am

#475:

Oh, brother...

/daffy D.

479 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:15:10am

#477:

It'd have to be a chicken!

480 hornet  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:15:57am

#473 Golden... Ottawa, Canada, ...don't hold that against me. Was in London for 3 years, lived in Chelsea, walking distance to Stamford Bridge, and Craven Cottage (Fulham).

481 Smit  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:16:49am

Hornet & Golden Jerusalem; As long as we start with Mido & Defoe in a 4-4-2 I'll be happy. - Can't trust Kanute not to have an off day.

482 Peacekeeper  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:18:09am

477 One_Shot_One_Kill

Mascot for Paris Olympics?

Renee the State sanctioned prostitute?

Carlos the marxist union organizer?

Abu the oppressed minority?

483 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:18:39am

#480 hornet:

Naw, just wondering, is all.

So usually you'd have to get up pretty early to watch games.

I don't really know Ottawa well, but been to Toronto and Montreal. I had some good times there.

484 hornet  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:18:45am

#481 smit... Yah but who do you really support?

485 Peacekeeper  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:19:37am

Atlas
I'm sure that, back in the day, Columbia had Nazi funded education programs as well as Imperial Japapnese grants for students.

486 Smit  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:19:47am

#484 hornet - click my football ;-)

487 jas  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:20:11am

#386 JD


Kennedy's going down and he's taking the party with him! (Recognize the pattern?)

I LOVE Ann Coulter.

488 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:20:39am

Smit:

Hmm, yes, the Egyptian...

On a related note, Ireland plays Israel in a WC Qualifier on Mar 26.

Got my ticket to see Keano and some ex-spurs in action (Carr, maybe Doherty).

489 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:21:42am

Smit, you're a chick?

490 hornet  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:21:52am

#483 Golden... Saturday 2PM kickoff in London is 10 AM here. Evening kickoffs in London is 3 PM here. Not too bad, 2 channels here cover the big games.

491 One_Shot_One_Kill  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:22:14am

From the Ann Coulter link @ #465:

(But to be fair, Keith Oberman has been on vacation this week.)

Knowing Coulter, I'll bet she intentionally misspelled Olbermann's name just to piss him off.

492 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:24:11am

Hornet:

Right, obviously only 5 hrs between UK and CAN

Do'h!

493 Dov (In the Astrodome City) Republic of Texas  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:24:43am

.

494 Smit  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:26:39am

#489 - Golden, always have been! - Last home game I was at was the draw with Nottingham Forest. It was freezing!

495 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:27:19am

All rightie, the clock struck, well, 5:24 PM and I AM OUTTA HERE!

Weekend over here.

It's been a pleasure, as always.

I'll catch ya'll later.

496 hornet  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:27:30am

#486..smit Oh no, I am outnumbered 2 to 1 by Spurs fans here! In the meantime we wait for Charles to post the first Thursday thread, cheers have a good day, and a success at Newcastle. You too Golden.

497 Frank IBC  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:29:34am

Golden Jerusalem -

It's standard procedure to place a police officer who kills a suspect, on administrative leave, regardless of the situation.

It doesn't necessarily imply that the department thinks s/he did anything wrong. And the time off is not just for the sake fo the investigation, it is also to allow the officer to recover from a traumatic experience.

498 jas  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:32:36am

In regards to the dollar in comparison to the Euro, I've read that the folks in Germany and France are not happy, since the cost of US goods are less expensive, and therefore this contributes to the static European economies as opposed to the continued growth of the US economy.

499 Gruen  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:43:09am

Rather was not as bad as people here make out. Sorry to say this.

500 Bluebonnet  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:49:25am

#24

Thank you so much for the great link you provided...we should never forget what happened on 9/11

501 YankintheEU  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:57:41am

#498 jas

It has seemed to me for a while that the Euros are conflicted about this currency situation. Whereas by now they are beginning to realize that a strong Euro has some trade disadvantages, the news and the periodicals In Europe still enjoy making comments such as, 'The Euro continues its dominance among world currencies' or 'The US dollar floundered this quarter, but the Euro held strong, outperforming the pound and the Yen.' My sense is that Brussels takes great pride in its united currency, viewing it as an example of a soscialist, economic victory against the US. Personally, a weak dollar means that my federal loan checks are less valuable. Well, I guess that's a small sacrifice as the US economy continues to grow.

502 RIP Ford  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 5:58:57am

#499 Gruen

Sorry to say this, but he was as bad as people here made him out to be.

503 SwampWoman  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 6:00:54am

Sarah D

Gotta go take a Calculus exam. I'll be on the lookout for a frothing PEST riddled nutball trying to run Bush/Cheney stickered cars off the road.

I've noticed that holding the .357 up in the window of the van mom-mobile and showing the PMS "make my day, asshole" face encourages people to drive politely.

Honestly, I cannot stand rudeness in a person. Whenever I see the John Kerry bumper sticker, I know that the person cannot be trusted to be able to read street signs or use turn signals. I think the Kerry bumper sticker is a good thing.

504 SwampWoman  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 6:02:59am

Nam Vet, Golden Jerusalem!

I cannot believe y'all look at the instructions for IKEA furniture. Say it ain't so.

Instructions? I don't need no steeenkin' instructions.

505 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 6:28:08am

Dov in the Space City

Regular visitor, or here for the final day of the Conservative Rabbi Confab?

506 Frank IBC  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 6:36:21am

#499 Gruen -

Yes he was.

507 Havoc  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 6:51:47am

Charles:

Long thread --

I realized again how much has been concealed from us about that day by the mainstream media, and one of the main reasons why LGF exists.

A free press, and blogosphere, is vitally important, essential, to maintaining this jewel of a republic from over 6,000 years of sad human history.

Which is why LGF is sorely needed. If the press is free, then liars will exist. Dedicated journalists and bloggers are vital to keeping facts clear of concealment and propopaganda. A price that has to be paid to keep the press free.

Most Americans who can read have a reasonably developed BS detector -- hence the never ending political jokes and jokes about politicians.

"It is a good thing" to have the proof, and quickly, to counteract the evil SOB's who would subvert the truth for their own agenda's or the worst, most evil reason of all, their own egos (Courage).

I know they, (the MSM), just can't stand that all their $ millions in ad revenue can't fool and confuse the public when a "guy in Pajamas typing in his living room" can dig up the evidence in a 24 hours news cycle.

Thanks for all the dedication and effort in the last 3 1/2 years Charles.

If Rather's October surprise had succeeded ... we would be in a world of sh_t right now.

The nation will never know what they were saved from.

But some of us have an idea.

Thanks

508 jas  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 7:03:35am

#501 YankintheEU

I just think there is SO much misinformation put out in regards to the economy. I hear the hue and cry about the deficit and the national debt, but many economists will say that it is the consumer debt that is the hidden bugaboo. I'm not saying I'm any expert on these matters, but, I get tired of the propaganda that gets spewed.

509 rebmiami  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 7:17:02am

This party ain't over: Danny is heading out the door under the protective cover of the investigative report about which he crows that after all the time and money expended, they never proved the documents were not authentic.

Columnist Glenn Garvin of the Miami Herald trenchantly observed today that (leaving aside how the report whitewashed the findings in its own appendices), by this lame defense, Rather was suggesting that that CBS prefers the more flexible all the news that is not proven false beyond the shadow of a doubt standard.

Garvin closes the column, worth a read in its entirety, with this money shot:

Rather's sad, shabby defense reminded me of The Amazing Criswell, a popular psychic of the 1950s whose predictions included Fidel Castro would be assassinated in 1970, New Mexico would be given back to the Indians in 1976, and the Atlantic Ocean would swallow most of Florida by 1979. Most infamously, he appeared at the end of a god-awful science-fiction flick about an alien takeover of the Earth called Plan 9 From Outer Space and demanded of the audience: ''Can you prove that it didn't happen?'' The final chapter of Dan Rather's anchor career was to turn his network into the Criswell Broadcasting System.
510 rebmiami  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 7:20:47am

The departure of Dan under a protective smoke screen is not the end of this story -- there is a serious fraud to solve.

Now is not the time to rest: somebody with subpoena powers must get to the bottom of this. Somebody committed a serious crime here.

511 hm  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 7:26:05am

#460 Hankmeister

On topic.

Is there anywhere we can watch/download the "new" footage in order to try and establish whether it is, in fact, new footage?

I haven't seen it, but am somewhat doubtful since I would have thought the person who shot the footage might have made that fact known.

512 suleimanajic  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 7:30:34am

They're hiding all the footage. Seriously. When was the last time you saw any of it on t.v.? They want us to forget, and it's working.

513 TMF  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 8:40:05am

From a psychological perspective, if you watch Rather closely, one can detect an underlying anger, a bitterness, that he seems to be repressing.

Like many hard-core leftists in the mainstream media, he has to be semi-reserved on air, and keep down the righteous anger that he and all of his ilk truly feel at the evils of those "in power"- i.e., republicans, "right wingers" etc.

He isnt a nice guy.

You can tell. Watch that scowl that periodically comes through when he is pontificating. He, like most of the left is a hater. And an elitist. He looks down on you. You know it. Plain and simple.

He just hides it well.

514 rightasrain  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 8:50:59am

There's an excellent DVD out that includes all (or almost all) the footage taken on 9/11 by individuals with video cameras.

Each independent camera segment identifies the location of the person with the camera and the person's name.

It is astounding what people were able to capture on video that day.

This documentary was done by HBO - IN MEMORIAM, NYC 9/11.

Does anyone have sources for the apparently new footage that was shown on Rather's program? I mean, is this footage available anywhere else?

Thanks.

515 salt1907  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 10:22:15am

Rather's last program was of little consequence, although the program and the Rather documentary later that evening provoked some thoughts that will spark future blogging. Rather's career has finally served a purpose - fertilizer for new insight into the MSM.

516 No Oil For Pacifists  Thu, Mar 10, 2005 12:46:22pm

Four questions: 1) Why suppress the video?; 2) Does FOX have it?; 3) If so, why hasn't FOX News aired it?; and 4) Has a copy been donated to the National Archives, which put it on the Internet as they did the Nixon tapes?


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