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 RetweetVDH: Little Eichmanns and Digital Brownshirts

Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 5:55:39 pm PST

Victor Davis Hanson uses the Ward Churchill case as a jumping-off point for a broader examination of the sick “Bush=Hitler” analogies being casually thrown around by the mainstream left: ‘Little Eichmanns’ and ‘Digital Brownshirts.’

George Soros can nearly destroy the Bank of England in his hyper-capitalist financial speculations but somehow find spiritual cover among the leftists of Moveon.org, which he subsidized and which ran ads comparing the president to Hitler. Sen. Byrd, who suffers from the odium of an early membership with the racist Ku Klux Klan, perhaps finds it ameliorative to associate others with the tactics of the 20th century’s premier racist.

Entire continents can play this game. If Europe is awash in anti-Semitism, then one mechanism to either ignore or excuse it is to allege that the United States — the one country that is the most hospitable to Jews — is governed by a Hitler-like killer. Americans, who freed Europe from the Nazis, are supposed to recoil from such slander rather than cry shame on its promulgators, whose grandfathers either capitulated to the Nazis or collaborated — or were Nazis themselves.

If the sick analogy to Hitler is intended to conjure up a mass murderer, then the 20th century’s two greatest killers, Mao and Stalin, who slaughtered or starved somewhere around 80 million between them, are less regularly evoked. Perhaps that omission is because so many of the mass demonstrators, who bore placards of Bush’s portrait defaced with Hitler’s moustache, are overtly leftist and so often excuse extremist violence — whether in present-day Cuba or Zimbabwe — if it is decorated with the rhetoric of radical enforced equality.

The flood of the Hitler similes is also a sign of the extremism of the times. If there was an era when the extreme Right was more likely to slander a liberal as a communist than a leftist was to smear a conservative as a fascist, those days are long past. True, Bill Clinton brought the deductive haters out of the woodwork, but for all their cruel caricature, few compared him to a mass-murdering Mao or Stalin for his embrace of tax hikes and more government. “Slick Willie” was not quite “Adolf Hitler” or “Joseph Stalin.”

But something has gone terribly wrong with a mainstream Left that tolerates a climate where the next logical slur easily devolves into Hitlerian invective. The problem is not just the usual excesses of pundits and celebrities (e.g., Jonathan Chait’s embarrassing rant in the New Republic on why “I hate George W. Bush” or Garrison Keillor’s infantile slurs about Bush’s Republicans: “brown shirts in pinstripes”), but also supposedly responsible officials of the opposition such as former Sen. John Glenn, who said of the Bush agenda: “It’s the old Hitler business.”

Thus, if former Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore breezily castigates Bush’s Internet supporters as “digital brownshirts”; if current Democratic-party chairman Howard Dean says publicly, “I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for” — or, “This is a struggle of good and evil. And we’re the good”; or if NAACP chairman Julian Bond screams of the Bush administration that “Their idea of equal rights is the American flag and the Confederate swastika flying side by side,” the bar of public dissent has so fallen that it is easy to descend a tad closer to the bottom to compare a horrific killer to an American president.

UPDATE at 3/18/05 6:20:08 pm:

As I’ve mentioned previously, I hold the distinction of being the only so-called “right wing” writer who has been compared to both Hitler and his mistress Eva Braun.

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1 noshariaincanada  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 3:56:55pm

Glad you're well enough to keep the posts coming, Charles.

2 rosh  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 3:59:27pm

Twenty years ago I never thought we would be in this situation. Historical times.

3 dak  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:00:57pm

I was wondering when the usual VDH link would appear. I like the guy.

4 mich-again  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:02:44pm

IMHO, equating President Bush to Hitler is simply Holocaust denial.

5 CowardKerry  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:05:33pm

Al who? Never heard of him...

6 Gagdad Bob  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:06:28pm

Blah blah blah. Can't Hanson do anything else except state his case with undeniable facts and unassailable logic?

7 RightIsRight  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:06:32pm

My apologies if this has been posted previously.

Kofi Posthumously Fellates Yassir

8 bbcrackmonkey  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:06:33pm

Shhh... they're on to us.

*hides swastika badge, shaves mustache*

9 militarybrat  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:06:59pm

There is seriously some sort of mental short circuit in these people and no amount of reasoning with them will cure it. Those brain synapses are lost forever.

I can deal with people who say, "I don't like policy A of Bush's and I don't agree with policy B."

I can even deal with people who say, "I think he's a horrible president."

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion - even if it is wrong.

But these comparisons are weak. And it just shows how spoiled Americans are to compare Bush to Hitler. I mean, all Arabs in America have been herded into "work" camps, right?

Serious and sad lack of perspective.

10 dak  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:07:48pm

Read something the other day referring to CBS' coverage of the Thet offensive. You know, Cronkite saying it was a defeat for the USA and the war could not be won and all that.

Rumour has it that later on Reagan told Nixon that using WW2 standards, these guys would have been tried for treason.

It's quite sad that nowadays treason and sedition is somehow fashionable in the MSM and "guaranteed" by freedom of speech. Short of getting caught selling secrets to the enemy, there is nothing so un-patriotic you can do nowadays that even registers as bad for the MSM.

11 Beagle  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:08:03pm

Everyone gets his or her fifteen minutes of Hitler now.

Glad you're feeling human enough to post Charles.

I see dirty diapers in my sleep.

12 rosh  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:08:27pm

7 RightisRight
You know, that bleach in my eyes really hurts.

13 kayawanee  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:08:33pm

I'm surprised that this is the first time (that I can think of) where VDH is addressing this subject. He did a great job of exposing the hypocrisy of the LLL in this, but I think the Left is using this epithet for tactical reasons. I'd love to see VDH wade into that.

14 Malleus Dei  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:12:26pm

Communists are just Democrats with less patience.

15 dak  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:14:47pm

Yeah, when Senator Byrd (D-KKK) compared Bush to Hitler, it was hard to tell if it was a slur or a compliment!


(I stole that from Anne Coulter BTW, but it's such a good line I could not resist)

16 kayawanee  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:15:35pm

#14 Malleus Dei

Communists are just Democrats with less patience.

LOL! That's really clever. Where'd you get that? Is it original?

You should know that VDH is a registered Dem.

17 Bubble Girl  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:16:03pm

They (moonbatts) use WeaselSpeak...

Just as Clinton gave us the "it depends on what your definition of "is" is," none of the LLL will ever admit to anything... But, it is strange that they proclaim to hate "religion" yet they use the terms, "evil, good, ect." Or did Stars Wars do a number on them, all these decades? Or, are they, in fact, over-educated morons? That makes more sense...

18 prospero  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:16:15pm

#14 Malleus Dei


Communists are just Democrats with less patience

Nope. Greater cojones.

19 auburnite  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:17:35pm

Libs are past the point of foil hats and conspiracy theories: they are now well into mentall illness and/or demonic possession.

20 Beagle  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:18:48pm

#7 RightIsRight

Hey, that's on topic.

"As far as Jews are concerned, the only difference between Eichmann and Arafat is that Eichmann mechanized Jewish murder, and Arafat would do it, as they say, on the installment plan. The concept is the same," Mr. Wiesenfeld, who is the son of Holocaust survivors, said.


So... Arafat was a little Eichmann?

By the way, RightIsRight, "posthumous fellatio" is not a mental picture I needed at this moment. Excellent prose, but you owe me some brain bleach.

Kofi Annan really needs to go, yesterday if possible. Is there any point where we can expect a critical self-evaluation from the Left before they leap into arguments for systematic extermination of Jews?

21 J.D.  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:20:27pm

#19 auburnite
Welcome!
Are you from Alabama?

22 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:22:03pm
23 rosh  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:22:48pm

I'm curious. When I was an unaware, dipshit teenager, were my parents discussing world affairs and getting depressed by them?

Is is worse now than in the 80s? Seems like it.

24 Al di Grandpa  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:23:43pm

OT:
Mentioned earlier on another thread. Bush as Baseball Comissioner ...I think he'd go for it. I love the game since the Polo Grounds and Ebbetts Field... These contemporary phonies and 'superstars' and free agency duds are anomalies...the game is much bigger than they are...


IMHO(which I respect very much).

25 RightIsRight  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:26:28pm
Is there any point where we can expect a critical self-evaluation from the Left before they leap into arguments for systematic extermination of Jews?

Don't hold your breath.

And I think the Left has expanded its scope past plain ol' Jews to also include Neo-Cons and Paleo-Con goyim (like me).

Not to worry... this ain't late '30s Germany and we have the mighty Second at our back.

26 RebTex  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:26:33pm

Rosh
My parents fretted over a neuclear attack.
& the cold war
& the gas crisis
& ...

27 jas  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:28:46pm

Another irony in the Bush=Hitler meme, especially from the likes of A.N.S.W.E.R. is that their inspiration, the Soviet Union, did their share of collaboration with Hitler's Germany, before he decided to turn towards Moscow.

28 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:28:58pm
29 bigel[deleted]  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:29:54pm
30 Stop Hillary  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:29:56pm

As far as I am concerned, the Democrats have declared war on me. When the leader of the party declares me to be evil and hates me, I can only assume that he and his adherents mean to do me physical and financial harm. It's their declaration of civil war in America.

31 Sarah D.  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:31:29pm

#23 rosh

I think it's worse because we have access to so much information.

It's much easier to fret about the Iranians when you get your news minute by minute. It's also easier to connect the dots when you have a gazillion dots to work with.

32 Al di Grandpa  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:31:33pm

PIMF---That's 'Commissioner' if I'm not mistaken. Have another glass of wine, Al.

33 RightIsRight  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:31:40pm

#23


Sorry, I don't recall.

I was so tortured by trying to match my Capezios with my parchute pants with my Chams' shirts.

34 J.D.  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:31:52pm

#24 Al di Grandpa
OT also
Have you seen this?

...U.S. Rep. William Lacy Clay, a Missouri Democrat, wants McGwire's name stripped off the 5-mile stretch of Interstate-70 that was named after Big Mac following his 70-homer season in 1998.

"It would take an act by the state legislature, but I don't think he deserves a name on the highway if he can't be forthcoming about his involvement with this issue," Clay told The Associated Press on Friday.

Gov. Mel Carnahan signed legislation in 1999 officially naming a section from the city's western edge to the Illinois border, "Mark McGwire Highway."

The chairman of the state Senate Transportation Committee said McGwire's name will remain, as far as he's concerned.

"Mark McGwire was a hero of baseball in St. Louis," state Sen. Jon Dolan said. "He remains so and must deal with the choices he's made. But nothing he did would change my mind about what we do or don't name highways." ...


Heartland heartbreak - Cardinal Nation critical of McGwire's testimony
Also, do you believe Pete Rose should be allowed into the Hall of Fame?

35 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:32:34pm
36 richard mcenroe  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:33:01pm

FYI, guys, the Safari Shirt from Cabela's makes a pretty good digital brownshirt, and they've got a pair of 17" engineer boots with "jack" written all over them...

37 dak  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:33:23pm

#22

Sometimes I think that way too. But then I remember what kind of life my grandfather and father lived (dad was in the infantry in '44).

Hell, I can just think about the late 70s and the 80s, with the Soviet Union, MAD and the advance of Communism through the world, disco, Carter and no end in sight.

Thank God for Reagan, the Ramones and the progress that was made since then.

Today we are worried that our ennemies might get nukes. Back then we knew they had them, plenty of them, we knew where they were targeted and we knew who gave it to them in the first place (Google Rosenberg) and who defended them (Google Democrats). While you are at it, Google Alger Hiss.

Then as now, the left were rooting for the enemy, that's nothing new.

At least now, with Bush, the US is facing its enemies and doing something about it instead of ignoring it away like Clinton did.

Hard times, but it'll buy us another 20 years.

38 RightIsRight  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:33:51pm

#29 bigel

Not to mention at least 100 mushroom clouds if need be.

Yeah, that too. But I figured I would let you lay that option on the table. =_)

39 prospero  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:34:20pm

Lessee, Rosh -- I remember being accused by one James Earl Carter (ptui) of being in a malaise in about 1979. Turned out that it doesn't help not to lie if you have s--t for brains.

The big difference was that the only people claiming that all the world's problems were our fault were wearing ragged fatigue jackets, needed shaves and haircuts, and were sitting on street corners holding misspelled cardboard signs. Come to think of it, they're still there in Berkeley, but their worldview has been taken over by the networks.

40 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:35:25pm
George Soros can nearly destroy the Bank of England in his hyper-capitalist financial speculations but somehow find spiritual cover among the leftists of Moveon.org, which he subsidized and which ran ads comparing the president to Hitler. Sen. Byrd, who suffers from the odium of an early membership with the racist Ku Klux Klan, perhaps finds it ameliorative to associate others with the tactics of the 20th century’s premier racist.

love that.

41 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:36:13pm

A little OT, but someone's mention of CBS (gagging) made me want to think of this:

C BS
C BS Run

42 solomonpanting  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:39:23pm

Whenever I hear the Left use terms such as Hitler, Nazi, fascist, racist, bigot, etc. to describe those with whom they disagree and fail to engage in any reasonable debate, I always think back to the movie X. As I recall, during Malcom X's 'recruitment/education' as a Black Muslim, he was still prone to using profanity on a regular basis. Finally, his mentor commented that one only uses profanity when he has no other words to express his ideas-exactly as I view the hate-profane-spewing Left.

43 Rayra[deleted]  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:40:53pm
44 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:45:14pm
45 Alone in NY  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:45:44pm

VDH:

A Linda Ronstadt, Garrison Keillor, or Harold Pinter knows nothing much of the encompassing evil of Hitler’s regime, its execution of the mentally ill and disabled, the systematic cleansing of the non-Aryans from Europe, or mass executions and starvation of Soviet prisoners. Like Prince Harry parading around in his ridiculous Nazi costume, quarter-educated celebrities who have some talent for song or verse know only that name-dropping “Hitler” or his associates gets them some shock value that their pedestrian rants otherwise would not warrant.

Simply brilliant.

46 rosh  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:45:48pm

I just feel like some years in the 1930s are spooling back and repeating themselves -- and did we learn anything from that? I mean did each of us personally learn anything from what our parents and grandparents went through? Such as identifying your enemy quicker, for instance?

47 Victor  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:46:34pm

Just read the VDH piece on the Bush=Hitler left, then browsed the "Billy Jack" site (Tom Laughlin is certifiably insane). What strikes me is the way that Leftism so frequently manifests as a kind of mental deterioration that progressively leaves its victims unable to think rationally, gradually erasing all sense of proportion, history, and truth.

Accepting any portion of leftism's premises seems to act like some kind of insidious mental pathogen -- like syphillus, Alzheimer's, or mad cow disease -- progressively devouring the mind. Fascinating that ideological vectors can mimic the trajectory of organic disease -- or (another uncanny parallel) a computer virus that progressively corrupts software until the computer can no longer function properly. In this sense they may truly be considered "progressives" -- becoming progressively more unhinged as time goes on.

There seems to be no sure-fire cure for advanced cases of progressivitis, and too few have a natural immunity, so guard well your mind, and those of people you love from the terrible scourge of mad leftist disease.

48 Rayra[deleted]  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:46:40pm
49 quark2  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:47:20pm

@11 Beagle

I see dirty diapers in my sleep.

*LOL!

50 rosh  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:49:51pm

47 Victor

Fascinating that ideological vectors can mimic the trajectory of organic disease -- or (another uncanny parallel) a computer virus that progressively corrupts software until the computer can no longer function properly.

google "snowcrash"

51 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:51:50pm

It is much worse today. I don't ever recall anyone called Reagan a "Hitler."

They couldn't have gotten away with it, I think. There were too many alive back then who remembered the genuine article.

52 rosh  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:52:43pm

47, 50
clarification: Neal Stephenson's novel Snowcrash. An ancient "virus" infects both brains and computers... the Tower of Babel was an instance of it. Highly recommend this book.

53 Rayra[deleted]  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:55:08pm
54 Sarah D.  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:56:52pm

#44 American Infidel

I worry about the fact that if these turds pile on, we will not be able to shake them off and they will bring us to our knees and kick us when we are down and keep kicking till we die..

Not to mention being kicked by our OWN while we're down.

55 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:58:02pm
56 Rayra[deleted]  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:58:07pm
57 ramrod02  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:58:30pm

#34

I have always been a strong McGwire supporter but I have to say you can't compare his record with those that went before him. We've got to at least have an asterisk on these "modern records"

Let him keep his name on the highway.

58 Rayra[deleted]  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:59:38pm
59 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 4:59:49pm
At some point a Gore, Byrd, or Soros has a moral responsibility not to employ Nazi analogy, if for no other reason than to prevent unleashing even greater extremism by the unhinged

Gore, Byrd and Soros showing moral responsibility? I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen,...,

60 RebTex  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:01:39pm

Dar ul Harb
It didn't happen then because all the "Momma's boys & little princesses" were taught morals & how to act in the grocery store.
Once it was deemed wrong to punish your child...the way YOU saw fit... it all went to hell in a hand bag.

61 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:04:45pm
62 Stop Hillary  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:07:08pm

#46 rosh -- "Such as identifying your enemy quicker, for instance? "

That's why I'm a little disappointed in the dustoff that is given to Howard Dean's remarks. He made them twice. Did someone think he was just kidding the first time? He hates Republicans and everything they stand for. That's not just Dick Cheney, he meant every single one of us that is a Republican. Then, a week later, he explicated his remarks by specifically identifying us as evil, and the Democrats, the "good". I see a metaphorical laser dot bouncing around my chest cavity.

The man is serious, his party's leadership is serious and they mean to do a lot of Americans and the Constitution that protects us, serious harm. How could he have been more blunt about it?

63 The Other Les  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:08:47pm

Ok, here's Les' theory of Leftism in One Lesson:

In Leftism, human life is evil, anything that damages or destroys human life is good.

The ruling principle of Leftism applied to this situation: Dictators who run-up major bodycounts (Stalin, Mao, Saddam, and on certain days, Hitler) are good; Presidents who leave working democratic states and dead or detained tyrants in their wakes, are evil.

I know it's wrong, but in Leftism wrong is right.

64 jscorse2  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:10:51pm

To say the mainstream left calls Bush Hitler is sad. I guess then the mainstream Right thinks half the country is going to hell- very constructive- we're really going to go places with this attitude.

J.S.

[Link: voicesof...] reason.info

65 rosh  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:11:54pm

63 Other Les

In Leftism, human life is evil, anything that damages or destroys human life is good.

I've seen that. Once I worked that out in my own mind, I left my leftist ideas behind. Not that I automatically revere everything about human life, but I'm certainly not ready to condemn it in that way, which is inherent to leftist ideology.

66 Sarah D.  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:13:10pm

#33 RightIsRight

Are Capezios out of fashion? They make the only heels that are somewhat comfortable, they are dance shoes after all.

Well, tough - I'm not getting rid of mine!

67 kayawanee  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:16:54pm

#44 American Infidel

All of these factions have converged and America in these people eyes is the worst thing that has happened to earth & mankind...I worry about the fact that if these turds pile on, we will not be able to shake them off and they will bring us to our knees and kick us when we are down and keep kicking till we die...

I don't think the pile-on will be as bad as you think. Most of the old Leftists (60's radicals & liberals) are getting too old to fight. They're gonna be more concerned with their Soc Sec payments and pensions in a few years than just about anything else. And most of the other LLL are generally young (in college or just out). As they move towards adulthood, they become more conservative. Remember, we've got South Park on our side.

The totalitarian socialists have lost power in over a dozen nations in the last 20 years, and no longer have the USSR to sponsor them. Finally, with the dropping birthrates in Europe the social democracies of Europe are being forced to deal with their welfare states in ways they haven't had to before. They're hardly in a position to effectively oppose us.

Our biggest internal problems right now are the MSM and Academia. Thankfully LGF and the rest of the blogosphere are exposing their lies. And Islamic totalitarianism is being challenged and seems to be losing some of its steam.

IMHO, I think there is a lot to be optimistic about right now. As long as we stay knowlegable and vigilent.

But I'm on my third beer and feeling really good. So I could be wrong.

68 The Other Les  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:17:29pm

# 65 rosh

I've seen that. Once I worked that out in my own mind, I left my leftist ideas behind. Not that I automatically revere everything about human life, but I'm certainly not ready to condemn it in that way, which is inherent to leftist ideology.


I try to be as brief as possible. (Take THAT Fidel!) My guitar teacher once described me as being taciturn.

Obviously not all lefties are that consistent, thus there is the possibility of some of them waking up and deprogramming themselves.

69 J.D.  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:17:37pm

#57 ramrod02

Let him keep his name on the highway.


That's fine as far as I'm concerned. But I grew up watching Pete Rose. I wish they would allow him into the Hall of Fame.

70 quark2  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:20:03pm

@64 jscorse2

Your cut and paste is so old, why don't you go browse for some new.

71 Sarah D.  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:21:10pm

#67 kayawanee

LOL!

You have "brewed optimism".

Works for me, and thank God for it!

72 solomonpanting  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:21:45pm

#64 jscorse2

Is it warm in here or is it just me?

Is it foolish in here or is it just you?

73 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:22:28pm
74 Bubble Girl  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:23:25pm
#64

jscorse2  3/18/2005 07:10PM PST

To say the mainstream left calls Bush Hitler is sad.

No says the mainstream left, whatever that is, "calls" Bush, Hitler... The LLL's call Bush, Hitler, over and over and over... where you been buddy...

too bad if some of us think this is unconscionable behavior and call them on it...

75 rosh  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:24:17pm

68 Other Les

Obviously not all lefties are that consistent, thus there is the possibility of some of them waking up and deprogramming themselves.

Such as myself. I think it was mostly age and maturity. It's bound to happen to others.
What I worry about is unrepentant old marxists manipulating the young and impressionable... what's the breakdown by age these days? Is there a wave of youngsters coming up? That would be risky.

76 RebTex  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:24:49pm

J.D.
YEA! What's up with that?!
Rose got his balls in a vise for simply betting.
McG. is a steroid freak & the world supports him!
Look, I don't give a rat's a$$ about ANY of the team sportsmen.
I think the salary cap should be $50,000 a year.
That's more than enough for playing a GAME!
If the player want's more, let him get a job in the off-season.
I just hate to see these guys influence the kids, but won't admit they're on drugs to do it.

77 Stop Hillary  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:26:38pm

#67 Kayawanee -- "But I'm on my third beer and feeling really good. So I could be wrong."

I think you are wrong. Look about you in NJ, hell, you've been captured by them. Corzine, Lautenberg (remember the Dem Supreme Ct./Star Ledger bait and switch routine), McGreevey and his (literally selected not elected) successor Dictator Dick Codey, another Star Ledger prodigy. Then there is Congressman Mendez, another socialist rising star of the Democrat Party. What about Newark's Sharpe James and the whole Essex County bananna republic? Hudson County trembles in fear of local fatwas.

78 prospero  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:28:33pm

#64 --

Is Sen. Byrd considered "mainstream left"?

79 J.D.  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:31:47pm

#76 RebTex

YEA! What's up with that?!
Rose got his balls in a vise for simply betting.


And not even betting on his own team!
It's robbery, I tells ya!

80 foreign devil  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:34:41pm

The left's frustration in not having won ANY of their causes since the Conventions began last year--not the election--not the sleazy tricks leading up to the election--not the Iraqi election (that went off like gangbusters)--even the current burgeoning in the Middle East--none of it can the left take pride in or feel happy about. They are incapabale of looking at the big overall picture and instead are focussed merely on the game's score.

But more than that, insteading of being good sports, they've gone straight to 'poison mode'. So all exchanges ON THEIR SIDE ONLY are laden with bitterness, rancor and all manner of dire implications. Almost like the left is an enemy and will NOT like any proposal you make--agree with anything you do--even when it might benefit them.

Children behave this way when they are angry and frustrated. Pouting, sullenness and mean-spiritedness are the modus operendi du jour. All exchanges are frought with this wall of resistance, even before a word is exchanged in order to discuss any problem. Imagine then trying to coordinate, say, some national kind of attitude toward sex offenders. All communication with the Democrats, for instance, would be full of resistance and foot-dragging, ( merely to be a thorn in the Republicans' side!) But how does that advance any credible legislation that might prevent these child predator murders in the future before we lose any more kids.

I don't want to discuss sexual predator legislation here. I'm trying to point out that the national attitude, on the part of the left and, in particular, lead by the Democrats, is poisoned and will block or prevent facilitation of ANY legislation AT THIS TIME FOR THE SAKE OF IT, because the well of emotions towards Republicans is completely poisoned, and this travesty of what a working government relationship should be is lead by Barbara Boxer, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pilosi and Harry Reid. There's a secondary cast of characters but these are the ones leading the filibusters in the Senate and fuelling the fires of the even farther left and giving support to the Communists and anarchists who wish to destroy our civilization.

81 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:35:44pm
82 Rayra[deleted]  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:37:22pm
83 quark2  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:41:50pm

@78 prospero

Is Sen. Byrd considered "mainstream left"?

More like mainstream shi'ite.

84 Rayra[deleted]  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:42:07pm
85 foreign devil  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:43:02pm

#67 kayawanee:

Third beer or not, you're right?! It pays to take a step back now and then and remember that it's not all bleak, despite my previous post. As you say...than Trey for South Park!

86 foreign devil  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:43:58pm

PIMF: than=thank

87 Rayra[deleted]  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:44:11pm
88 johnCV  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:44:23pm

The libs world is collapsing all about them, and they are powerless to stop it. For a generation, they have claimed the mantle of "Protector of the Oppressed", "Savior of the Common Man", willing to (in theory) spread democracy around the globe. In reality, it was all talk and no action. It sounded good in the coffee houses and bars, and got lots of bearded types laid who would never have had a a chance otherwise.

But GWB has shown the Left to be the hollow, flacid, morally decrepit collection of tools that they really are. They were against every action that actually liberated people - as opposed to having a meeting calling for liberation (a la UN).
The left has been on the wrong side of every single issue pertaining to human freedom and protection of life since Truman was in the White House. Like that excreable waste of skin churhill, the vultures of thier past are coming home to feed on the dying carcass of liberalism.
And it's driving them mad.
We are watching the flailing death throes of a rotten and and dying ideology. Not pleasant, but necessary.

89 Stop Hillary  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:50:33pm

#82 Rayra -- "CARACAS, Venezuela -- Chanting "fatherland or death," dozens of President Hugo Chavez's supporters lined up in formation, vowing to defend the country if the United States tries to invade."

This certainly ought to stop the invasion of American tourists to Venezuelan resorts. Again, "Rosh" said it earlier, in suggesting that history should teach us to recognize our enemies earlier. While the lesson most certainly applies to the current global rise of hatred of Jews, reminiscent of the decade leading up to WWII, Americans would be silly to ignore the warning signs sent in their direction.

Any American travelling to Venezuela under the current regime, is virtually begging for trouble.

90 kayawanee  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:52:12pm

#77 Stop Hillary

I think you are wrong. Look about you in NJ, hell, you've been captured by them. Corzine, Lautenberg (remember the Dem Supreme Ct./Star Ledger bait and switch routine), McGreevey and his (literally selected not elected) successor Dictator Dick Codey...

I'm impressed that you know I'm from NJ. I think I mentioned that in a previous thread. You've got a good memory.

As for NJ politics, you're right about Dem control there. And the corruption here is unparalleled. Political machines are diffucult to break, but eventually they all do. Time marches on. And remember this is just one state. As the center of economic might continues to migrate southward (as it has been doing for the past 20 years), political power shifts that way as well.

And one further point. Dem strongholds are located primarily in densely populated cities. This is one of the reasons that European populations (centered primarily in the cities) are so liberal. Suburban and rural voters tend to be more moderate or even conservative. As the populations continue to migrate from the urban areas to suburban areas throughout the nation, there appears to be a political realignment. It's been happening for nearly 50 years now, and does not appear to be slowing down.

91 prospero  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:52:41pm

81 American Infidel :

My point exactly. Having been a Democratic senator for nigh onto 50 years would seem to plant one in the mainstream.

Though, to be fair, Byrd didn't call Bush Hitler; he compared the Republican senators to Hitler.

92 Stop Hillary  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 5:55:27pm

#90 Kawawanee -- "I'm impressed that you know I'm from NJ. I think I mentioned that in a previous thread. You've got a good memory."

It's not my memory, I'm one of your cellmates.

93 kayawanee  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 6:00:09pm

#92 Stop Hillary

It's not my memory, I'm one of your cellmates.

I'm in Fanwood (Union county). Where's your cell?

94 Stop Hillary  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 6:01:42pm

#93 Kayawanee -- Essex County, the belly of the beast.

95 auburnite  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 6:05:18pm

# 21 JD,
Yep. Red-state proud.

96 kayawanee  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 6:07:54pm

#94 Stop Hillary

#93 Kayawanee -- Essex County, the belly of the beast.

My wife works up that way. Big bucks up there. Well, it's nice to know there are some lizards here. Just keep your chin up. Things will get better. Always have hope. Reagan and Bush taught me that.

Anyway, the wife just got home, so I've got to go. But I'll see you around. Have a good night.

And good night to all my fellow lizardoid minions!

97 Rayra[deleted]  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 6:17:20pm
98 highflight  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 6:25:19pm

#63 Les, I think your view has merit.

Look at the effort that is being put into making sure that Terri Schiavo dies... I heard audio of the husband's lawyer expounding on how vitally important it was that Terri's right to die be protected.

But don't execute any murderers!

Kill the innocent, protect the guilty.

99 Megan  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 6:27:03pm
Essex County, the belly of the beast.

Me too. I posted a couple of times about the LLL teachers who made the 9th grade (high school freshmen) English/world cultures project be a mock trial of FDR and Truman for evil American war crimes. I thought LLL indoctrination wasn't supposed to start until college! I had the world cultures teacher again my senior year for contemporary American history, and had to suffer through Bowling for Columbine. And there were LLL students too- I did a current events project on Israel and Palestine, and one of the students had to make a loud groan when I said I supported Israel. LLLs are so polite aren't they? Plus, they were Kucinich supporters.

100 Elcid  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 6:29:06pm

Victor you write

Ignorance and arrogance are a lethal combination

Ignorance is defined as; destitute of knowledge or education , the people you allude to are far from Ignorant.

Victor, if I may, Stupid is defined as; given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner : lacking intelligence or reason. Stupid and arrogance is a much more lethal combination.

101 Baldy  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 6:35:49pm

OT: Van Tries to Drive Into Saudi Newspaper Bldg, Shot Dead

Al-Watan, one of the leading Arabic newspapers in the country, has faced a spate of security problems in the past. Last year a Saudi man tried to attack the paper’s former editor in chief.

Thank goodness it wasn't an SUV.

102 Elcid  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 6:39:40pm

98 highflight

Look at the effort that is being put into making sure that Terri Schiavo dies... I heard audio of the husband's lawyer expounding on how vitally important it was that Terri's right to die be protected.

I wouldn't expect an autopsy to be performed should Terri Schindler die (calling here schiavo, dishonors her), for an autopsy just may prove the cause of her 15 years of living hell.

Murderers loathe two things, DNA testing and Autopsies. Those two things can make fact of fiction.

103 Sarah D.  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 6:40:35pm

#100 Elcid

(((Elcid!)))

104 Elcid  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 6:43:37pm

Sarah D.

(((Dear Sarah))) is this allowed, or am I going to have to rip someone's ass?...:-).

105 quark2  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 6:43:45pm

@102 El Cid

Hi...
I think it's already been arrange for her body to be removed immediately after she's been declare dead. She's to be cremated.

106 Sarah D.  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 6:46:01pm

#104 Elcid

Who cares. It has been an ass ripping day after all! Besides, I believe it IS allowed.

How ya been?

107 Elcid  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 6:52:43pm

105 quark2

Hi, nice to see you, as well...and Sarah D and, and , and...lol.

That is the reason that son-of-a-bitch (and not to be sexist) bastard won't give up 'custody'...he is terrified as to what an autopsy will show, to a forensic professional, looking for signs of attempted murder. The money was a red herring.

The murder will be complete with the help of an attorney and a judge. In my humble opinion, accomplices in the murder of Terri Schindler

108 NY Nana  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 6:55:28pm

#102 Elcid

Fancy meeting you here! :) A little birdy whispered in my ear.

{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{Elcid}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}

If you should happen to drop by the Friday morning thread, you will find a few posters there, too.

109 Elcid  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 6:56:36pm

Sarah D.

In my bestest East Tennessee wordsmithery...gist dang peachy...How you is with those storms that passed through, your area?

110 quark2  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 6:59:16pm

@102 Elcid

I'm glad to see you here. :) It's been one rotten day. The icing on this cake was the resultant confession of that child predator of killing little Jessica. One hell of a nasty day. Oh and of course Charles was very ill, and the nasties ripped through a couple of threads starting last night.

111 Elcid  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 7:02:39pm

NY Nana

Friday morning, hmmm...this or next...:-).

And fancy I ain't...but pleasure to see you..how's kids?

Speaking of which...one minute to qualify for FNDT...be right back...oh shit...12:02, straight up...LOL. Awww, the hell with it...be right back...drink time.

112 Baldy  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 7:03:00pm

Charles! You Lied! Eva & Adolf Married!

/LLL sarcasm off

113 Elcid  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 7:15:41pm

110 quark2

It's been one rotten day. The icing on this cake was the resultant confession of that child predator of killing little Jessica.

Yeah, that rotten bastard sex offender...they'll get ya everytime..another that should be roasted...or injected. OR, since leftists object, his 'feeding' should be withdrawn

One hell of a nasty day. Oh and of course Charles was very ill, and the nasties ripped through a couple of threads starting last night.

Didn't realize Charles was ill...if he had what I had...poor Charles...FLU for damn near a month. As to the "nasties", since my battle with the FLU, I've stopped smoking (silver lining in every cloud)...BUT not smoking has made me slightly more irascible...as George Bush said..Bring 'em on...:).

114 quark2  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 7:23:18pm

@112 Baldy

Since I don't get a chance to see you here much, did your parents go to the inaugural festivities in D.C.?

115 Elcid  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 7:27:45pm

Oh...and my drinking is a continuation of an anniversary dinner, earlier...Yep, 22 years to the same woman...of course I've been married 40 years...just split between 3 other women...LOL. I don't know whether that makes me unstable, or just a hell raiser, straight from hell...:-).

116 NY Nana  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 7:30:34pm

#115 Elcid

Both? :)

Happy anniversary! Well it is still your anniversary in at least 2 time zones!

117 quark2  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 7:31:23pm

@113 Elcid

I had the flu and it drug on and on for 6 weeks. My husband had bilateral upper lobe pnuemonia at the same time. That was not a fun time taking care of several head of horses. :(

118 quark2  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 7:35:58pm

@115 Elcid

Congratulations, and give our tip o' the hat to your missus for being brave for 22 years. *lol
Mine was 20 years in February...we celebrated by being sick together.

119 Elcid  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 7:41:50pm

116 NY Nana ...LOL...Yep guess you are correct...both and yep Central Time, I'm still celebrating...and then comes Mountain and Pacific...wow...I can really get loaded...

117 quark2... Man ('scuse me, woman in your case) I tell you that Flu thing, was the worst I've felt in a long, long time...as I've mentioned to others..even my hair hurt. I hope your Hubby is coming along now...that flu stuff and the complication factors...terrible.

120 NY Nana  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 7:42:58pm

#118 Quark2♥

Boy, you sure know how to party!

121 SwampWoman  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 7:44:53pm

#98 Highflight

Look at the effort that is being put into making sure that Terri Schiavo dies... I heard audio of the husband's lawyer expounding on how vitally important it was that Terri's right to die be protected.

I'd be a lot happier if somebody started protecting her right to live.

122 Elcid  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 7:49:20pm

118 quark2

Congratulations, and give our tip o' the hat to your missus for being brave for 22 years. *lol

Thank you...and yes indeed...putting up with me for 22 years..she deserves a medal..Gee, guess some have deduced, I'm not a walk in the park, to be with...lol.

Mine was 20 years in February...we celebrated by being sick together.

As is said..."in sickness and in health"...Congratulations to you and hubby as well...next year, try to skip the sickness...BUT you did share...:).

123 SwampWoman  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 7:49:31pm

#117 Quark2

I had the flu and it drug on and on for 6 weeks. My husband had bilateral upper lobe pnuemonia at the same time. That was not a fun time taking care of several head of horses. :(

Yeah, I *thought* I was home free when I had the 102 temps a couple weeks ago and no sequelae of coughing. But nooo. I come down with ANOTHER couple days of 102 temps and horrible sore throat and cough. Echhh. I think it may be related. My immune system is gettin' one hell of a workout this week, too bad my cardiovascular system isn't, since exercising actually means that breathing must be done simultaneously. Go figure.

(Isn't it SAD that when you wake up coughing in the night, the first thing you think of is "oooh, let me find the FDNT and see who's had too much and started a fight?")

124 quark2  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 7:51:42pm

119/120

We had family over the christmas holidays...and most of them were sick. I got sick on New Years Day all the way through January into February. Hubby got sick right after me...but mine didn't get me all the way down until about the 3rd week. After that I went for almost 2 weeks of not leaving the house! By then hubby was mostly over the pnuemonia. He lost 30 lbs in 6 days! Me? I didn't lose a danged pound...:(

125 SwampWoman  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 7:52:46pm

My husband tol' me today (while trying to stay out of reach of stray germs that may reach out and latch onto him) that we'll be married 28 years next month. Yep.

He said he wanted me to know that it has been all good (except for a few days here and there--that was in reply to my one raised eyebrow) and that it has NEVER been boring, and if he had it to do all over again, he wouldn't change a thing except try to be a better husband.

Is that some purty talkin' or what?

126 SwampWoman  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 7:55:51pm

#124 Quark2

After that I went for almost 2 weeks of not leaving the house! By then hubby was mostly over the pnuemonia. He lost 30 lbs in 6 days! Me? I didn't lose a danged pound...:(

Oh, hell no. You would think that with no solid food intake, the pure energy used to produce all of that mucus would result in a net loss of AT LEAST 10 lbs., but nooo.

The horses got 1 grain meal today. They got 1 grain meal yesterday. Tomorrow, perhaps they will get 2 whole feedings.

127 NY Nana  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 7:56:40pm

#119 Elcid

Be sure to send photos! :)

128 quark2  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 7:56:48pm

@124 SwampWoman

That is exactly the way it went with me...up and down ...advance and retreat...boy that wears you down!

129 quark2  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 8:01:50pm

@128 SwampWoman

It really irked me when I learned he had lost 30 pounds! But of course he's already gained it all back. :)
The funny thing was he lost most of in his legs and butt...there for awhile everytime he'd wear his short round the house I'd bite my tongue to keep snickering real loud.


All of our horses have been on fertilized round bales all winter, so if they miss out on a grain meal they ain't hurting.

130 Billy Hank  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 8:02:13pm

As usual, VDH nails it.

Bush Derangment Syndrome must be some kind of political Alzheimers for liberals. The image I can't shake is the dying HAL of "2001, A Space Odyssey". Main difference is that instead of a faltering "mareseatoatsanddoeseatoats", we hear a plaintive "nobloodforoil, bushliedpeopledied."

131 chevalier de st george  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 8:03:34pm
Perhaps that omission is because so many of the mass demonstrators, who bore placards of Bush’s portrait defaced with Hitler’s moustache, are overtly leftist and so often excuse extremist violence — whether in present-day Cuba or Zimbabwe — if it is decorated with the rhetoric of radical enforced equality.

Quite so ! and the irony is that a study of Hitler,s ideology shows it is actually closer to the extreme leftism than the the right!
And the pure racial ideology is closer to Islam than to the extreme right.

132 Sarah D.  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 8:08:57pm

Hey all, eeevil conservative is here and we're hanging out!

133 NY Nana  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 8:12:51pm

OT, but what will this do to Eurabia? Alarm bells for Chirac as French grow cooler on Europe

New poll suggests that a founder nation is increasingly in revolt against the EU constitution

ALARM swept through the French political establishment yesterday after an opinion poll indicated that an increasingly Eurosceptic France was swinging against the European Union constitution, just two months before its referendum.
The poll was the first to show that a majority of French people who are planning to vote — 51 per cent — are saying that they planned to vote “non”. The “yes” vote, meanwhile, has fallen to 49 per cent, with 53 per cent of those polled still likely to abstain.

It confirmed a drift that mainstream politicians have feared ever since President Chirac took the risky decision last summer to call a vote. In September last year the “yes” vote was 69 per cent, with the “no” vote struggling on 31 per cent.

The “no” campaign is riding on deep popular resentment towards M Chirac’s Government and a belief that now the EU is run by Britain and its allies.

A French “no” on May 29 would kill the constitution, making France the new bad boy of Europe and neutralising Britain’s own referendum. The treaty must be ratified by all 25 EU states. A “no” from a smaller country might be accommodated, but not from one of the Continent’s three big powers.

The opinion poll, carried out by the influential CSA organisation for le Parisien newspaper, delighted the “no” camp. Laurent Fabius, a former Socialist Prime Minister who has broken with his party line, said that it was “obvious that the French are getting an ever better understanding of what is in the constitution”.

Jean-Marie Le Pen, leader of the National Front party, said: “Maybe there is hope of saving France from the European poison.”

From the “yes” camp there was a whiff of panic. “It’s a real electric shock,” Gérard Larcher, the Labour Relations Minister, said. Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the Prime Minister, said the poll finding would be a blessing if it shocked the “yes” camp into a vigorous campaign.

see rest of article.

Excuse me while I cackle demonically, in glee! I don't think the majority of the British are all that happy with it, either. Ahhh, the fwogs! At least the UK is an island nation, although marred by the Chunnel. Is fwance going to cut itself off from the continent, float off, and attach itself to an arab country?

134 Duke Newcombe  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 8:28:25pm

It's a great article overall, but citing Charlie Brooker as if he's some kind of serious left-wing commentator - when in fact he's a shock-jock comedian - is kind of silly. Conduct unbecoming such a great mind.

136 LC LaWedgie  Fri, Mar 18, 2005 11:46:28pm

#133 NY Nana -

OT, but what will this do to Eurabia?

Well, the way I see it, when faced with a dilemma, the conservatives tend to cut their risks while the liberals tend to cut their wrists.

137 Mauser  Sat, Mar 19, 2005 12:29:16am

The way I see it, after another generation makes it through the Public Schools, calling someone Hitler won't be such an insult any more, because none of them will have the slightest idea who Hitler was.

As much as 10 years ago, a friend of mine and I had the shock of hearing his 19-year-old housemate interrupt our discussion of WWII to ask "Who's Auschwitz?" But, he went to public school in Michigan.

138 Joel  Sat, Mar 19, 2005 2:06:03am

Speaking of Hitler, I saw the movie Downfall last weekend. It was very good.

139 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Mar 19, 2005 2:28:53am

Nice to know that VDH is reading me!

LOL.

140 Joel  Sat, Mar 19, 2005 4:43:53am

These same ledtist fascists who throw the term Nazi around so promiscuously are the same ones whose spiritual forbears were Nazi propagandists during the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact of 1939-41.

141 lewisinnyc  Sat, Mar 19, 2005 4:45:11am

The whole Bush=Hitler; 9/11 victims=Eichmann crap owes its debt in large part to Hannah Arendt and Jean-Paul Sartre, bigtime gurus of the left. Arendt was particularly famous for her coverage of the Eichmann trial. Her commentary on the 'banality of evil' suggested that Eichmann was just a bureaucrat who wasn't evil per se, but was just the type of person who followed orders without thinking. According to Arendt, the only thing that Eichmann actually did wrong was not thinking objectively about his actions.

From this, the next leap of faith is that any person who doesn't think about the consequences their actions is no better than Eichmann. So, if you are a cog in the evil Amerikkkan workforce (such as the 9/11 workers in the WTC), you are no better than Eichmann.

The whole Arendt concept of the 'banality of evil' is in itself a banalization of evil. If everyone can be Eichmann, then no-one committing atrocities can be evil. In this world, Saddam can be better than Bush and Bush can be compared to Hitler; terrorist attacks are a forgiveable response to inequalities and the true evil doers are the people who fight the poor terrorists.

This is why a lecturer can call 9/11 victims Eichmanns and his colleagues can admire his 'intellect' for having done so.

The moral compass of the left has been askew for more than a few years now.

Sick fucks.

142 frugal_skier  Sat, Mar 19, 2005 4:51:02am
Victor Davis Hanson uses the Ward Churchill case as a jumping-off point for a broader examination of the sick “Bush=Hitler” analogies being casually thrown around by the mainstream left: ‘Little Eichmanns’ and ‘Digital Brownshirts.’

Uh, "mainstream left", is that an oxymoron?

143 NY Nana  Sat, Mar 19, 2005 8:46:34am

#136 LC LaWedgie

Very well put!

Re Auschwitz, this is hopeful: UK: Auschwitz awareness jumps sharply

Virtually everyone in Britain - 94 percent of respondents in a new BBC poll - has now heard of Auschwitz.

A similar poll by the BBC last year revealed that just 55% of the population had heard of the camp, with the number dropping to 40% among women and those under 35.

According to the new poll, conducted among 4,000 British adults, awareness levels among under 35s have more than doubled to 86%, while 92% of women say they have now heard of Auschwitz.

This awareness is not just superficial, according to the BBC, with half the population saying they now know a lot about the subject, compared to 30% last year.

It is thought that this dramatic change in awareness may be due to the commemorations surrounding Holocaust Memorial Day in January, when the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz was marked by nationwide exhibitions, talks, television and radio programs and other events.

During that time, the biggest ever assembly of British-based survivors attended an event in London hosted by Queen Elizabeth and major political leaders.

The BBC broadcast a range of television and radio programs to mark the anniversary, including the series Auschwitz: The Nazis & The Final Solution, parts of which were watched by more than one-third of the population.

On the other hand, the bandying about of the words like 'nazi', 'h***', and the casual equating of anything that happens to the Holocaust...the camps at Gitmo=concentration camps in the eyes of the cult of islam, and sadly, to the LLL, and there are still victims of the Shoah alive and able to hear witness. If it has been so cheapened now, in my lifetime, what will it be like on the 100th anniversary of this singular event that will, to me, forever define evil? Living in the metro NY area, 9/11 is with me always, but the motivation and the hate that caused each event are seperate issues.

What hurts the most is how willing they are and how quickly people want to dengrate and forget both events.

In marginalizing such evil, they are encouraging further episodes.

144 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sat, Mar 19, 2005 9:55:30am
145 LC LaWedgie  Sun, Mar 20, 2005 9:47:29am

#143 NY Nana -
Sadly, human nature and priorities the way they are, this increased awareness probably had more to do with the Prince incident than anything else simply because Dad threatened to send him there.
G-d works in mysterious ways sometimes. ;-)


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