Islamobomb

That would be one way to get the US to withdraw from Baghdad. Too bad for the locals who have to stay.

GRRR

religion of peace is at it again in iraq - 70 dead...and it sure wasn't the flu that killed them

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Maybe we'll get lucky and it will blow up in his face!
Leaving him barely alive for us to drag his left arm off to trial.

Picture this, a left arm sitting in a prison cell in some undisclosed location on Geraldo Rivera knows about.

i blame bush!

/democraticunderground-kneejerk-response

No way. Unnnh-Unnnh

Teddy 'the swimmer' Kennedy says there are no WMDs and Michael Mooron says the jihdis do not exist. We are safe. This is just Bushitlers way to distract us from their real agenda of destroying Social Security for old people and making them eat dog food.
Hell, even Boxer is convinced that we are the true enemy. I suspect that Rove really has the nuke...

/el-cubo

Interesting.

A dirty bomb in the arab/third world would have quite the psychological impact, given the general level of scientific knowledge and logic deprivation.

If the USA is ever hit, I expect Mecca, Medina, Demascus, Tehran to be hit an hour later. No hesitation.

Please ask islamic people to leave the US.

OT Abbas starts to whine..The Israelis are inciting against me..

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Well, my day is now complete with the requisite nuclear threat.

The important thing is, where's Osama bin Ladin?

#8

While [bigoted word]s plan nuclear Jihad CAIR Officer Claims Secret Searches Violate Rights of Local Muslims.

I can't fathom there are still many out there who just don't get it. There are tens of thousands that want to kill tens of thousands of us and "all we are saying is give peace a chance". The protestors had too much success in the 60s and 70s and smell blood in the water every time we have a military operation. The MSM is equally guilty on both counts.

holy shit they've lost it at DU

evidently it's the popes fault that kerry didn't get elected!

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There is no WMD! - Barbara Boxer

Hold on a second... Zarqawi is able to carry a nuke/radbomb into Afghanistan, and travel back to Iraq to run the terror org there? Or have one of his couriers do it?

This sounds pretty unlikely (more like disinformation/boasting) to me.

Okay, so what Middle Eastern countries are supporting al Qaeda?

These guys are getting their money and supplies from somewhere. Nukes do not just appear. Once we find out who is supporting these guys, we can remind them what mutually assured destruction means:

You kill a lot of us. We kill ALL of you. If one of our major population centers is glassed over, we glass over all of yours.

Hold the terrorist-sponsoring countries responsible for what happens to us. Maybe their self-preservation instinct will kick in when they are remember that we have much more hellfire-in-a-can than they do.

#14 eD fRoM oHiO

Kerry lost by being Kerry, He didn't need any help to lose the election LOL.

"One official said the intelligence is being questioned because analysts think al Qaeda would not hesitate to use a nuclear device if it had one."

This sort of assessment is mindbogglingly stupid and it does nothing but convince me that the CIA and FBI remain clueless.
Al Quaeda waited 8 long patient years between the time it first tried to topple the WTC towers and then succeeded in doing it. Has that fact been lost or obscured somehow by our intelligence elites?

Why is the assumption that Al Queda would have just popped the weapon off somewhere if they had it, so they must not have one? Can you get any more ludicrous and illogical?

Why wouldn't the safer assumption be that if Al Quaeda had such a weapon they would bide their time, hide it carefully, transport it carefully and set it off where it would likely have greatest effect -- even if it took years? All the while, of course, trying to acquire more.

The most likely scenario for this to me is that the Pakistani ISI gave away something, or that they've made some sort of dirty bomb with industrial radiological sources or concealed Iraqi nuclear materials or something.

An actual nuke is fortunately pretty hard to build. Particularly when you've got the U.S. military on your trail 24/7.

How can this guy be scurrying around the sand dunes of Iraq, barely one step ahead of the coalition and Iraqi forces and acquiring a nuclear weapon and arranging an attack on the US at the same time?

Well, well!
What do you suppose it will take for MSM and LLL to wake up and smell the burning of western civilization?
Do you think a dirty bomb and massive casualties would do it?
Nah! Ask Ward Churchill! It's all our own fault anyway.

What about this? Let's let the peaceniks be cannon fodder! Their minds can't be changed anyway ... Nothing so blind as a man who will not see ...

When the nuke goes off in an American city..Cair will claim Bush did it...MSM will agree... and Boxer and Kenedy will say it was not really a weapon of mass destruction..cause Islam does not have any.

#21

Because like Michael Smore's said there is only 190 Al Quaeda members world wide. So that leaves about 2 or 3 left to carry out an attack. Once we get them Bush will once again claim "Mission Accomplished".

/sarc

It would be nice to know if this device exists, and where it exactly is. If it's not been used in Iraq or in Afghanistan, then mebbe it's beein stored for use elsewhere...like here.

How can you believe Bill Gertz in that Moonie paper the Washington Times?! Moonie paper! Moonie paper!

/idiot/

#22

Well if NYC is the target of WMD, there goes around 50% of the MSM. Let the NYT report on that.

#21 foreign devil -- "How can this guy be scurrying around the sand dunes of Iraq, barely one step ahead of the coalition and Iraqi forces and acquiring a nuclear weapon and arranging an attack on the US at the same time?"

Because he doesn't have it in his personal possession. And that doesn't mean that a network of other Jihadis under his control or influence are not in possession of one. Did Osama Bin Laden have three jet aircraft in his personal possession? No. Did he orchestrate and approve the attacks made by them? Yes.

Why does the attack have to be in the US? Could he not have a dramatic effect by attacking a major US base, port, embassy or other significant facility in the ME with a US presence?

@25 me

beein = being

/sheesh!

This is BS! zarqawi is dreaming, he has tombstones in his eyes as we speak!

Reports Reveal Zarqawi Nuclear Threat

Bring it on COWARD...you had better wait until there is a dhimmi dem in the Presidency..for if you do that with GWB, it will matter not that you and your islamapsychos have NO specific nation to target...your religion of rot, will finally receive what you desire...Crusades.

You and yours will be diminished to mere thousands. BUT if you wait, say for a john kerry...you will be able to claim, the Northeastern United States, as well as The West Coast of the United States, a few upper Midwestern States...NO, NO NOT Canada, it seems as though you have that one already.

How long before we remove this cancer called Islam?

I certainly hope Zarqawi, the mullah‘s, the Fraud’s and, indeed, the Euro enablers remember these famous words of Winston Churchill before a joint session of Congress Dec., 26, 1941,

"What kind of a people do they think we are? Is it possible that they do not realize that we shall never cease to persevere against them until they have been taught a lesson which they and the world will never forget?"

They are certainly as applicable, maybe even more so, today.

#31

Nope. I don't think so. Even if Z. is caught and/ or executed there are plenty more where he came from and all just as bloodthirsty.

Sometimes I think it's just a matter of time ...

I read a article on World Net Daily yesterday(I know questionable source but they where quoting Sen John Kyle of Az) about the possibility of Al Q, N Korea(or insert anyone with the capability) detonating a nuke in the upper atmosphere. This causes an electromagnetic pulse that would nock out our hole electrical grid for a year. It would also fry every electronic device that is not shielded. The only cars that would be running are those made before they started putting computers in them, and then only as long as the fuel supply lasts. Basically our hole population would be living as if we were back in the 1880s. The initial death toll would be minimal but as the food on the shelf is used up and with no way to transport or produce more many would starve. This is the scenario that we should worry about the most.

If the U.S. is hit nuclearly, I would expect martial law and perhaps the forced expulsion of many RoP'ers.

Go ahead, make our day.

#33 I vote we start today!

Islam*spit*

I'm sure this al Qaeda "nuclear device" is for peaceful power generating purposes against the infidels, just like Iran's.

Don't get too freaked out about this report. A "dirty bomb" or radiological device is just a conventional bomb with some radioactive material packed around it. The bomb goes off and spreads the radioactive material over some finite distance. If people are exposed to it, they might get sick or die, depending on the level of radiation present.

The effectiveness of the weapon is dependant on the amount of radiological material used, the type of isotope (plutonium, cesium, etc.), the power of the conventional explosive, and the area where the weapon is used. Heck, a smoke detector with a hand grenade taped to it is a "dirty bomb" of sorts.

The threat is much, much more a psychological thing rather than an actual danger.

#37

Yeah, here in NW PA we have trout, deer and newly added ROP season's. No limit to how many you can bag.

The range of an EMP would, I think require the atmospheric detonation to occur over the target country, IIRC.

Oh, that last comment was in response to #36.

EMP = electromagnetic pulse

@28 taxfreekiller

Those hogs you're alluding too are much bigger than 400 pounds, and they're not all along just the rivers. A friend just had both of his hunting dogs killed by one boar that weighed right at 500 lbs.
We had one killed over on the next road from us that weighed nearly 800 lbs.

Now you want to get serious about exporting hogs, these are the kind to send in.

say Zarqawi, al Qaeda’s leader in Iraq

al Qaeda is in Iraq? Need there be anymore proof?

I haven't seen this story on network new- oh wait, I don't watch that dribble anymore.

A dirty bomb would hardly produce massive casualties, but almost surely massive panic in the population.

J Frank Parnell:Ever been to Utah? Ra-di-a-tion. Yes, indeed. You hear the most outrageous lies about it. Half-baked goggle-box do-gooders telling everybody it's bad for you. Pernicious nonsense. Everybody could stand a hundred chest X-rays a year. They ought to have them, too. When they canceled the project it almost did me in. One day my mind was full to bursting. The next day - nothing. Swept away. But I'll show them. I had a lobotomy in the end.
Otto: Lobotomy? Isn't that for loonies?
Parnell: Not at all. Friend of mine had one. Designer of the neutron bomb. You ever hear of the neutron bomb? Destroys people - leaves buildings standing. Fits in a suitcase. It's so small, no one knows it's there until - BLAMMO. Eyes melt, skin explodes, everybody dead. So immoral, working on the thing can drive you mad. That's what happened to this friend of mine. So he had a lobotomy. Now he's well again.

The evil secret behind my screen name.

@40 kenneth

I take it seriously that any bomb which takes one life...example OKC which was the resolution of a conventional bomb.

Well, here's a distressing related story about "e-bombs".

taxfreekiller (#28),

It's really hard for me to tell you how foolish your plans are WHEN YOUR SCREAMING ALL THE TIME AND

NOT USING THE WRAPAROUND SOFTWARE IN THE COMMENTS

BOX

AFGA. AND OTHER CAVE PLACES

Are entire nations. The Afghanistan - Pakistan boarder is 1,500 miles long, 3/4 of it through high mountains.

Try to be serious.

A message should be communicated to all Middle Eastern countries that should a nuclear weapon be used against the West all Islamic holy sites will cease to exist immediately.

#42/43
Correct, a nuke tipped scud launched from a ship offshore is the most likely plan of attack. In the case of N. Korea they may already have missiles capable of being detonated over the west coast. What makes it easy is that the missile does not have to be all that accurate, it just needs to detonate at the correct altitude.

Is it possible that we found some suitcase nukes during the Afghan campaign and managed to keep the secret? Unless we knew for sure that all had been accounted for, we could not announce the capture of any nukes. Our society would be crippled by panic if the existence of such nukes was confirmed.

#53 Georgian:

Our society would be crippled by panic if the existence of such nukes was confirmed.

Parts of our society are crippled by panic about the existence of cheeseburgers, much less suitcase nukes.

I'm not sure a SCUD missile can reach the altitude required for a wide-area EMP effect. Plus, you need a rather sizable nuclear bomb to accomplish a substantial disruption.

I'm very skeptical about suitcase nukes, actually. Yes, it could be possible (for countries with an advanced technology) to build them, but still...

I think the biggest risk comes from a container-sized nuke, if you get what I mean.

It seems that the most likely place for Zarqawi to detonate a nuke would be in Europe. It is definitely easier to smuggle nuke there than into the US, and would give him the publicity he craves. Sad thing is that most Europeans would just blame the US and/or Israel for it.

http://thenudnikfile.blogspot.com/2005/04/zarqawis -nukes.html

#51 WarBicycle

Ok. That works.
I think the peaceniks should be the ones to deliver the message.
Hey, I know! Ward Churchill gets to go first!

Be still my trembling heart.

RJ_In_Reno (#36),

No one with a few nuclear bombs is going to attempt an EMP attack.

What they're talking about is theoretically possible, but not feasible without massive and coordinated air-burt attacks.

And even then attacks aren't completely devastating for all components within the effected area.

Think of carrying a piece of cardboard in the wind.

#54 andthenblammo!

Parts of our society are crippled by panic about the existence of cheeseburgers, much less suitcase nukes.

LOL!

I thought the Marines recently said that he was on the run just ahead of them, scuttling from safe-house to safe-house like a rat?

When did he have time to get a nuclear bomb?

#59,

I agree. After all, these folks want to kill infidels in large numbers and quickly.

I believe the threat of EMP is greatly exagerated. The intensity of the pulse falls as the cube of the distance. This means such an attack will be very localized. And the power grid is built with thousands of protective relays which trip whenever there is an overcurrent, or over voltage situation.

The device described in the Pop MEch article is charmingly elegant, but I suspect it requires accurate design & precise manufacture, not the kind of technology some jihadi in a cave in Afghanistan is going to have at hand.

FabioC. (#56),

Precisely. Or any ship for that matter.

The requirements of ballistic delivery are just way too rigorous for terrorists or rogue nations to employ to deliver a nuclear device.

You can drop 40 tons into the hold a boat just about anywhere in the world.

Seriously- if a nuke goes off near the White House, and we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt it has, say, Russian origins but was likely stolen- what do we do? (Nuke Mecca comes to mind but would even GWB do that- and would that do any good?)

OT- Moonbats begin to eat their own. MoveOn is running radio ads in DC area attacking Minority Whip MD congressman Steny Hoyer. Their spoken complaint is his vote for the bankruptcy bill. ("Call Steny Hoyer at 202--- and tell him what you think.") Methinks their real gripe is his vote for the Iraq war. Looks like some muscle flexing to see if they can scare him.
Hoyer has a 95% ADA rating.

#14 Ed from Ohio

AAAHHH! RUN AWAY RUN AWAY!

10. Why do so many people here defend this Hitler Youth?
Why? Why? How much more proof do those idiots need?
I hope the media can find a picture of the new pope in his Nazi uniform. That would really cause some people to think. I'm sure there's a picture out there somewhere.

I'd make more comment but my eyes are having a hard time recovering...

#55
You are correct, It seems that even a scud-B like the Iraqis had would not go high enough. From some quick research, to be effective the missile needs to be able to deliver the device to an altitude of 200 miles. The scud b on a typical ballistic trajectory would only reach approximately 100 miles. On the other hand some of the missiles the N. Koreans are reported to have developed are more then capable.

#65 Jim in Virginia

It has been rumoured that following 9-11, the message was diplomaticaly delivered to the Muslim world that if the US is nuked by anyone in the Muslim world, the US will assume it was everyone, and respond accordingly. I recall Powel & Cheney flying form capital to capital, & can I imagine playing good-cop/bad-cop roles.

So if the US gets hit with a nuke, the response would be to hit Tehran, Riyhad, Damascus, Cairo, Tripoli, & Pakistan. Military sites in those countries would also be hit, but I don's see the point of hitting Mecca - the Saudi's don't have their missiles there.

The effectiveness of a dirty bomb is not in the death or destruction it would cause. It's a psychological weapon. Say 'nuclear' and people freak. If a bomb did go off in a city, there would be a mass panic of people trying to get out of the area. I'd be willing to bet that more damage and death would be caused by that than by the bomb.

The EMP threat is also probably overstated. As others have noted, it requires a hell of a lot of sophistication for one to be effective. Even if someone pulled it off, I think people would be surprised at how quickly the US would adapt. If nothing else, the Amish would get rich quick.

"intelligence reports say al Qaeda terrorist Abu Musab Zarqawi"

You mean he's a muslim terrorist?

According to the "mainstream" media, he's a "Jordanian militant."
 

An actual nuke is fortunately pretty hard to build. Particularly when you've got the U.S. military on your trail 24/7.

A plutonium implosion-type weapon is difficult to make but a U-235 bomb is so easy to build that no test was performed during the Manhattan project. It does require a much larger quantity of U-235 to make a critical mass than imploded plutonium. The main problem for a terrorist organization is the actual acquisition of enriched uranium, a major problem in the 1940's but not now.

a couple of points

a radiological dirty bomb can be easily constructed just with conventional explosives and stolen radioactive isotopes (from labs, hospitals, etc) - this means that it doesn't have to be built overseas...but as an earlier post stated - main effect is psychological and economic

less than 2% of all cargo containers are inspected

suitcase nukes 1-5 kt range (hiroshima 15 kt yield) thought to have been built by Soviets - but this is unknown

bin Laden has said that he feels that it is a religious duty to acquire such weapons... worst case scenario is that they manage to pop one in LA, SF, NY, DC, Miami, Seattle, Houston (any city with a port) and then make an announcement that they have other weapons "swords of Allah" or some BS like that. Even if not true - the panic this would cause on top of the damage from the one bomb that went off would be an economic disaster MUCH worse than 9-11

#71 is spot on correct

the Trinity test shot 16 Jul 1945, was a plutonium implosion device with a yield of 19 kt - so was Fat Man (Nagasaki)

Little Boy wsa detonated as an airburst on 6 Aug 1945 - this was a gun-barrel type - and it was not tested beforehand - that definitely tells you how confident they were that it was going to work that they would drop that untested technology over enemy territory...

Living in NYC, this type of talk never makes me sleep well at night...

I know I'm living and working in the biggest target on Earth... All I know is, should I die at the hands of these Islamo fools...I trust our reponse should be 1 million times worse for them...

#47 ATB

I knew it! LOL

"Somebody piss on the floor again?"

#75 underground:

"Did you eat a lot of acid, Miller, back in the hippie days?"

Look at the chaos the anthrax attacks caused. Several people killed, and probably hundreds of false alarms (& copycat fakers)This would be far worse, in terms of wasted resources, than all of the false anthrax alerts.

#19 Studsup - I agree. Why would they "waste" it, if they weren't absolutely sure they could carry it off? That's does not mean I believe they have a nuke, or a dirty bomb, only I doubt the assumption that they can't have one, because they would have used it yet.

#76 ATB

"Soon as I find that Chevy, I'm goin' Indy"

"You dont pay bills in Russia, it's all free."

"Free!? Free, my ass, what are ya, a f'in commie?"

Classic..;.

Walking to work today, I saw two fat chicks - one with a water bottle with a Kerry sticker and something about "lied" and "died"...
It still never ceases to amuse me seeing all these forlorn losers wake up from their pipe dream...

Typical dumbass automatons from the brainwashed liberal universities no doubt. Ask them who the Taliban are pre-9/11 and they would probably say "Duh, a new Ben and Jerry ice cream flavor?" I think one should have an intelligence* test before one can comment publicly on politics. That of course would preclude Madonna, Sean Penn, and every single angry-left asswipe on the planet. I lament the lost days of rational liberals like FDR.

* Or rather, a reasonable person standard. Something like a scenario test.

1) You have 15 mad mullahs in turbans running at you with a broadsword. Do you

A) Whip out the trusty grenade launcher.
B) Dig a hole in the sand and shove your head into it.
C) Apologize profusely for the crusades and agree to suck mohammed's balls?
D) Join the mad mullahs in chanting death to America, in between sips of your Starbucks Moccachino.

maybe they've confused Zarqawi with Marwan, LOL

#78 Baldy -- "That's does not mean I believe they have a nuke, or a dirty bomb, only I doubt the assumption that they can't have one, because they would have used it yet."

That's what I was really driving at, the sheer stupidity of the quoted "intelligence officer". In effect, he's saying: "We don't think they have one because they haven't exploded it yet". The internal illogic of that statement is astounding. When they blow one up, I guess we will then all be able to agree that they had one, a solid piece of intelligence there. No sticking your neck out on that conclusion.

Clue to US intelligence services: Find and disarm them before they blow them up --- that's your mission.

The euphemistic term used by border agents for jihadis crossing the border is "OTM", or "other than Mexican". The word is they are crossing in great numbers.

Georgian #53,

That's the claim of Steve Quayle, of Northeast Intelligence. I don't know what to make of it. He says the origin of a nuclear device found about a year ago on the east coast, in some harbor, was Iranian. He also claims another was found in Chicagoland, intercepted at the last minute. You can be skeptical about such reports, but the idea of a nuclear attack, the given plausibility, is simply too real to ignore. The kind of weapon I fear and which could be launched more effectively and bring greater devastation is bioterror.

feeding our paranoia again!

#83 reader

He says the origin of a nuclear device found about a year ago on the east coast, in some harbor, was Iranian. He also claims another was found in Chicagoland, intercepted at the last minute. You can be skeptical about such reports

Uh oh. I don't remember any reports on this. Uh oh.