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Hasan Akbar Convicted

Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 5:51:51 pm PDT

Army Sgt. Hasan Akbar has been convicted of murder: Military Jury Convicts Sergeant of Murder.

An Army sergeant was convicted Thursday by a military jury of premeditated murder and attempted murder in a grenade and rifle attack that killed two of his comrades and wounded 14 others in Kuwait during the opening days of the Iraq war.

Hasan Akbar, 34, now faces a possible death penalty, which the 15-member jury will consider at a hearing that begins Monday.

Prosecutors say Akbar told investigators he launched the attack because he was concerned U.S. troops would kill fellow Muslims in Iraq. They said he coolly carried out the attack to achieve “maximum carnage” on his comrades in the 101st Airborne Division.

The verdict came after 2 1/2 hours of deliberations following seven days of testimony in a court-martial — the first time since the Vietnam era that an American has been prosecuted on charges of murdering a fellow soldier during wartime.

Not a single mainstream media source will explicitly make the connection, but Hasan Akbar’s attack on his fellow soldiers was thoroughly grounded in his Islamic belief that killing Muslims while in the service of infidels was forbidden: Expert: Akbar Sane During Grenade Attack.

Prosecutors have said Akbar planned the attack and told investigators he carried it out because he was worried United States forces would harm fellow Muslims. Last week, the prosecution introduced diary entries in which Akbar wrote he might have to kill his “battle buddies.”

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1 Sarah D.  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:53:19pm

Now let's see what the sentence is.

2 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:54:16pm

#1 Sarah D.
He'll swing.

3 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:55:39pm

Hang him high with a rough rope...worthless piece of crap.

4 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:56:02pm

shoot the traitor and be done with it

5 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:56:06pm

I wonder if the Army will bother trying him for the attack on the MP in the court house?

6 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:56:29pm

Agreed. It's great that they chose to convict him, but if all they're going to give him is a slap on the wrist, then this trial's been a total waste of time and money.

7 Sarah D.  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:57:37pm

#2 reaganite

I do hope you're right.

8 rw in san diego  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:58:41pm

reaganite

It won't bring anyone back , but I certainly hope you're right.

'...might have to kill his "battle buddies". Hasan Akbar, you make me sick.

9 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:59:01pm

#6 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

but if all they're going to give him is a slap on the wrist, then this trial's been a total waste of time and money.

A friend of mine was given 6 months in prison for taking ecstasy once.

Military courts don't tend to be very PC.

10 kvinay  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:59:19pm

A reminder that muslims cannot be trusted in any walk of life.

11 Gagdad Bob  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:00:12pm

Perhaps we should ask ourselves, "What would Mohammad do?" How about roll a grenade into his cell and shoot him when he runs out.

12 kvinay  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:01:08pm

Muslims are known to bite the very hand that feeds them.
A dead muslim is a good muslim.

13 steve miller  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:01:08pm

I don't care what his "religion" is - if he used his beliefs as a reason to kill his fellow soldiers, and he planned the attack, and his fealty was towards his "religion" -- then let the military justice system take care of him & ensure that he isn't allowed to kill any more.

14 alkmyst  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:01:20pm

As I said on a previous thread

They said he coolly carried out the attack to achieve "maximum carnage" on his comrades in the 101st Airborne Division.

a grenade and rifle attack that killed two of his comrades and wounded 14

That, zulu, is why the arabs are getting their asses kicked all over the place every time they try fighting without blowing themselves up...

Two dead and 14 injured was the best he could do? I think that the USMC should be embarrased to have called him a Marine.

/gallows humor

15 lobo91  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:01:21pm

It's really too bad that he can't be executed by the same means he used to commit his crimes.

They could tie him to a post and let people throw grenades at him.

16 sailordude  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:01:32pm

Uh...I don't think the Military Justice System will "give him a slap on the wrist". Also, Court Martials are not exactly noted for their frivilous spending of taxpayer money. All in all, a very efficient system for dealing with Muslim terrorists.

17 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:01:35pm

#7 Sarah D.
#8 rw in san diego
The least this POS will get is life. It won't be a long one though. Like in civilian prisons how child molesters get shanked, in a military prison "great assassin" won't live long.

18 rickl  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:01:50pm

#2 reaganite
He'll swing.

I certainly hope so. Although I thought the means of execution in military cases was by firing squad. Am I right or wrong?

What I really can't understand is why this case took two full years to go to trial.

19 sevoguy  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:02:27pm

Anyone who tries to defend this idiots actions should be watched. But it's not true islam. BULLS**T. This is what islam is. MURDERERS.

20 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:02:30pm

#12 kvinay
STFU

21 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:03:30pm

I bet he gets life in prison. They won't kill him. That would offend Muslims. Everyone knows you can't offend Muslims.

22 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:03:31pm

#14 alkmyst

I think that the USMC should be embarrased to have called him a Marine.

Soldier, not Marine.

23 Rancher  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:03:32pm

Hang him high.

24 alkmyst  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:03:53pm
#12 kvinay 4/21/2005 06:01PM PDT
Muslims are known to bite the very hand that feeds them.
A dead muslim is a good muslim.

Let me clarify that statement mathmatically:

A good muslim goes to paradise.

muslim paradise is acheived most directly through matyrdom.

Martydom is acheived through dying.

Therefore:

A good muslim is a dead muslim.

25 sawdustmachine  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:04:44pm

And we don't profile because...?

26 steve miller  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:04:53pm

#22 -
OUCH! That's a very harsh putdown.

27 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:06:03pm

#18 rickl

Am I right or wrong?

You are right and wrong. If he gets "death" he'll be shot. But under the UCMJ they can still hang him. Some old codes have never been rescinded.

28 BabbaZee  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:06:30pm

NO Muslims in the US Military.
Period.
EVER!

Same as we would have once said NO Nazis in the US Military. Period.
EVER!

But we didn't need to say that then, did we - because it was obvious.

Oh, how insane we have become.

29 Rancher  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:07:28pm

#14 alkmyst

I think that the USMC should be embarrased to have called him a Marine.

He was NOT a Marine.

30 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:07:31pm

#26 steve miller

OUCH! That's a very harsh putdown

Not at all, just fact. Akbar was 101st Airborne.

31 alkmyst  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:07:44pm
#22 reaganite 4/21/2005 06:03PM PDT
Soldier, not Marine.

I stand corrected - OT - who, then, if anyone, gets the title "Marine"?

I thought I had met a few ex former Marines

32 Powderfinger  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:08:46pm

Airborne? Then let's let him jump! Sans chute, naturally.

33 mailmars  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:09:05pm

They will give him death or life at hard labor... Busting rocks at leavenworth or being shot... hmmmmmmm...


Mark

34 steve miller  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:09:12pm

Ah - I misunderstood, then.

Only Marines get to be called "Marines." No putdown of someone in the other branches of the Armed Forces. Just accuracy.

35 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:10:07pm

#31 alkmyst

who, then, if anyone, gets the title "Marine"?

Anyone in the USMC or Marines in good standing once they get out.

36 Powderfinger  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:10:33pm

#31 alkmyst

US Marine Corps. Akbar was Army.

37 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:11:44pm

#34 steve miller
Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines. None of us like to be called by other services titles.

38 alkmyst  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:12:32pm

On my #31 and preceeding...

Ummm. Duh. I didn't catch the "Army Sgt." at the beginning...

likely because it's after 4 am here... I obviously have lost the ability to blog coherently for the evening...

G'nite, and to whom it applies:

Chag Samech v Kasher

39 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:12:59pm

ass hole,

Prosecutors say Akbar told investigators he launched the attack because he was concerned U.S. troops would kill fellow Muslims in Iraq. They said he coolly carried out the attack to achieve “maximum carnage” on his comrades in the 101st Airborne Division.

i saw some 101st beat the piss out of a battle buddy for stealing.
i cant believe they let this sucker survive.

battle buddie,
where did that name come from?

40 steve miller  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:13:14pm

How about if I just call you sir?

/slinking away feeling very stupid

41 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:14:41pm

#40 steve miller

How about if I just call you sir?

NEVER call an NCO sir! :-Þ

42 steve miller  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:15:08pm

all I remember is from high school, when a friend when into the Marines, and came back after a few months.

He wasn't the same guy, and he helped us "understand" that he was a MARINE and not a soldier.

43 NuclearTinkerbell  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:15:20pm

Or: Grunts, Zoomies, Squids, and Jarheads. (I say that with love.)

44 mailmars  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:15:52pm

#32 Powderfinger

Airborne? Then let's let him jump! Sans chute, naturally.

Air Assault not Parachutist... Here is a OK idea... Put him in UH-64 take it up about 150 feet, throw a line out and then have him fast rope it down.. Here is the trick.. don't anchor it...


Mark

45 steve miller  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:15:52pm

I can't win.

46 Sarah D.  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:16:26pm

Speaking of squids. Anyone seen Villiage Idiot's Apprentice around?

47 Always right  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:16:27pm

One thing to be greatful, there won't be a prolonged (10 or sometimes, up to 20 years) appeal process.

48 jake341  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:17:12pm

He had a fair trial. Now its time for an eight foot drop and a sudden stop.

49 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:17:18pm

#45 steve miller

I can't win.

When asshole Akbar swings, we'll all win!

50 Dov (In the Astrodome City) Republic of Texas  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:17:58pm

Send him back to his unit, and let THEM decide his punishment,

51 Amy  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:18:11pm

reaganite #20 -

You beat me to it.

BabbaZee #28 -

I agree with you but not for the same reason. I wouldn't have a problem with Muslims in the military (the way German-Americans, Italian-Americans and Japanese-Americans were in the military during WWII) if they did what other Americans have always done: put their loyalty to their country above their religious or ethnic affiliations. But the Muslims are taught that their religion comes first and trumps all other loyalties, that being an American means nothing, and that's the problem.

The US was built on diversity, a grand experiment and one that worked only because we all identified ourselves as Americans regardless of where our ancestors came from or what race, color or religion we were. That is all that has held us together as a nation. The Muslims' refusal to become American, with all that that implies, is an existential threat to this country, and renders them untrustworthy; for that reason, they should be excluded from the armed forces.

52 sandbox  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:18:15pm

Occassionally justice is done.
This is unquestionably premediated murder, and Akbar should receive the death penalty.

53 sailordude  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:19:10pm

You know what is sort of interesting about this story? Akbar was a 34 yo E-5. He obviously joined the Army around 30. I think the max enlistment age is 31. I wonder if Akbar enlisted pre or post 9/11?

54 Mcgyver  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:19:15pm

Ya just know the moonbats are gonna be calling for his release. tough. He'll swing

OT - Hi, reaganite - Hows the retirement planning going?

Mcgyver, out

55 NuclearTinkerbell  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:20:30pm

#51 Amy

But the Muslims are taught that their religion comes first and trumps all other loyalties, that being an American means nothing, and that's the problem.

Ever seen a mosque flying a US flag? Anywhere? Ever?

56 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:20:55pm

#50 Dov (In the Astrodome City) Republic of Texas

Send him back to his unit, and let THEM decide his punishment,

Now that's justice.

57 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:21:08pm

#27 Reaganite

You are right and wrong. If he gets "death" he'll be shot. But under the UCMJ they can still hang him. Some old codes have never been rescinded.

While it seems to me that there would be plenty of people available to shoot him high, I don't know that there are very many people left anymore who can hang people properly.

I'm willing to learn by trial and error....

58 John Schneider  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:21:34pm

Two hours in genpop at Leavenworth should take care of any appeal process foolishness.

59 steve miller  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:21:38pm

I suspect he will be spared after some pressure by the political side - especially the feel-good Democrats. I can't wait to hear Barbara Boxer give her opinion.

60 Amy  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:21:39pm

NuclearTinkerbell #55 -

I don't think I've ever seen a synagogue flying an American flag, either. That's neither here nor there. It's what goes on inside that concerns me.

61 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:21:59pm

Whoops, that started out as "hang him high" and then was supposed to "shoot him dead".

Never post while making porkchops.

62 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:22:09pm

#51 Amy

The Muslims' refusal to become American, with all that that implies, is an existential threat to this country, and renders them untrustworthy; for that reason, they should be excluded from the armed forces.

What Amy said!

63 NuclearTinkerbell  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:23:02pm

A plastic shredder is too good for him.

64 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:23:19pm

NEVER call an NCO sir! :-Þ

when i survived basic training, jan 66 april 66.

i finally realized i didn t have to call an NCO sir.
but untill then i thought he was god.

if they pissed,
we had to swim in it.

65 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:23:24pm

#54 Mcgyver

Hows the retirement planning going?

Is it August yet?

66 rokbassist  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:23:36pm

Partially OT

Reservist who held migrants at gunpoint in AZ will not be charged:

Reservist won't be charged

67 sawdustmachine  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:24:18pm

Swamp Woman-

Pork Chops, on a muslim thread?

Allah Snackbar!

/couldn't resist

68 Dov (In the Astrodome City) Republic of Texas  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:24:31pm

#56 Reaganite

A Jury of his peers

69 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:25:02pm

#57 SwampWoman

I'm willing to learn by trial and error....

Can't tie a knot, tie a lot!

70 Ann  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:26:17pm

Ok, Akbar stabbed an MP twice with a pair of scissors a few weeks ago. Nothing in the MSM. I am betting that his appeals will be well-publicized over the months, but there has been nothing about this attack in the MSM.

Daddy is crying about his poor baby, though. Off to slime around in WaPo to find the link...

71 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:26:26pm

#59 steve miller

I suspect he will be spared after some pressure by the political side -

When an EOD tech bets you beer you are wrong you better reconsider.

I bet you a keg he gets death.

72 Stop Hillary  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:26:35pm

He became the enemy, he killed his fellow soldiers while unarmed in a sneak attack. If the Army will not punish that with a death sentence, how does the grunt on the ground ever believe that command has his back?

I think he needs to be executed, without fanfare certainly, but without remorse either.

73 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:26:39pm

At RTC Great Lakes, when I was a young seamen recruit, we actually saluted POs and CPOs and called them sir if they were wearing the red rope thingie of a Recruit Company Commander.


The Commandant of the Marine Corps answers to the CNO, if I recall correctly. On the USS Chuck Wagon (CVN-70), the MarDet did special weapons security as well as providing the CO with an armed escort.


Reaganite, as I enjoy a glass of Cafe Infidel after swett loving with the wife, does "Broken Arrow" mean the same thing in the USAF as it did in the USN?

I was on the BART for a time, and we drilled with chairs. Never walking directly ahead or behind, as some had explosively deployed parachutes, and always shuffling our feet as certain material became unstable when exposed to fire.

74 Anonymous Al  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:26:48pm

I have a question.

If Akbar is executed, how should we dispose of the corpse? Any ideas?

75 Reagan  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:28:13pm

Let's shoot him and get it over with, then start with whoever arrived first at Gitmo. Those fuckers don't deserve a federal trial and we the tax payer, would save a hell of a lot of money with a military tribunial. Also just to be extra fair we'll give them the lawyer(s) of their choice to defend themselves.

Our world will be a hell of a lot better place without all these murderous bastards. Rights and protections are constititionally garunteed to citizens, not to terrorists from outside our nation. Why is that so hard for people to understand?

76 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:28:18pm

#68 Dov (In the Astrodome City) Republic of Texas

A Jury of his peers

That's not nice, his "peers" are not US military. They're his betters.

77 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:28:36pm

I could be mistaken, but I think I see Mexican Freetailed Bats emerging from their caves on this WSR-88D NexRad Doppler loop.

I have seen this phenomena discussed before, but I'm not sure what it actually looks like.

78 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:30:10pm

#73 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

does "Broken Arrow" mean the same thing in the USAF as it did in the USN?

Exactly the same thing...

79 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:30:32pm

Ok, Akbar stabbed an MP twice with a pair of scissors a few weeks ago. Nothing in the MSM. I am betting that his appeals will be well-publicized over the months, but there has been nothing about this attack in the MSM

and the MP didnt blow his head off,

pull the trigger,
sorry bout that.

80 NuclearTinkerbell  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:31:02pm

#74 Anonymous Al

If Akbar is executed, how should we dispose of the corpse? Any ideas?

Plastic shredder. Then mulch.

81 Ann  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:31:17pm

Here is daddy crying about his "victimized" son.

Let's give the boy another pair of scissors.

82 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:33:19pm

#79 ibmkeyboard
The MP beat the shit out of Akbar with the scissors sticking out of his neck. The MP will be decorated. Akbar was going for the gun.

83 gymnast  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:33:38pm

#74, Ananoymous Al. Take the body 20 miles out in the nearest handy desert, dig a hole toss the body in, toss the head in, fill hole, come back to town and have a cool one.

84 metal man  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:35:02pm

To vent my anger at this POS I will think of interesting ways of executing him.
Lock him in a car full of semtex and drop it out of the back of a C130 on a terrorist camp.

85 Havoc  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:35:19pm

This is a sad sad commentary on how the Muslim Outreach programs in the U.S. particularly at U.S. colleges prey on the messed up and the lonely, and turn the Mark Kools into
Hassan Akbars, killers for Allah.

source

86 urthshu  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:35:43pm

51-

I don't know. I'm just thinking aloud here- but what about having them in seperate divisions, like was done in previous wars. They could have their own chaplains that could interpret islamic issues for them [thereby controling mixed messages] and it would make logistics easier for the halal food, I guess.

Plus, you've got the added strategic bonus of putting 'em where you want 'em.

87 NamesAGame  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:35:52pm

Watch this turn into a Mumia-clone.

88 NuclearTinkerbell  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:36:22pm

#77 Ed Mahmoud

I didn't see any bats and I squinted really hard!
Were they the expanding circle thingys that just appeared?

89 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:37:21pm

Well, after another 9-11 attack we may be amenable to disposing his corpse by feeding him to feral hogs, but I'll settle for tying him to a pole and letting 5 of his peers (one unlucky one getting a blank so supposedly no one knows for sure they shot him, although they can tell the difference) put some 7.62 mm lead into his upper chest, followed by shipping his carcass home courtesy of the US taxpayers to his family for a televised funeral with the Reverend Al Sharpton Minister Farrakhan leading his service.

90 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:37:23pm

Swamp woman #57

While it seems to me that there would be plenty of people available to shoot him high, I don't know that there are very many people left anymore who can hang people properly.

I tie a mean fishing knot...it's the only one I know except for a bow tie. Of course, Akbar would be dead before left the stand but that's okay. We could use him for fish bait that way...what could we use to cast his sorry ass? Personally, I would prefer to bait him through the eyes live.

91 Patmos  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:37:43pm

Execution of a death sentence handed down by a court-martial under these circumstances is carried out by lethal injection. There is a mandatory and pre-set appeals process, which goes thru the Supreme Court, but I see no chance that they'll hear this case. It will kick in tomorrow morning, setting deadlines for movement up the chain, but it can be quite swift. Sometimes these appeals are complete in as little as 90 days. His execution will also have to be approved by President Bush. I shall be very interested to see how it plays out.

92 Amy  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:37:59pm

Ann #81 -

I thought he was a convert to Islam, but his father has the same last name. Does that mean that daddy converted, too, like a father and son thing?

The father's thing is idiotic, as though anything would justify this kind of wholesale, cowardly slaughter.

93 Havoc  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:38:00pm

Anonymous Al

Your fishing for scum

It will be turned over to the next of kin.

94 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:38:33pm

The MP beat the shit out of Akbar with the scissors sticking out of his neck. The MP will be decorated. Akbar was going for the gun.

sorry,
but me and him alone in a cell,
and he sticks me with scissors.

we would have done the m-16 dance.

95 quark2  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:38:33pm

@46 Sarah D

*LMAO!

How come y'all let the other thread die? Y'all were doing so good.
Did BG go to the ER with her spidy bite?

96 Anonymous Al  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:38:40pm

#80 (in response to #74),

OK.

That's one vote for Shred & Mulch.

Anybody second this method of disposal?

-

Any other suggestions for disposing Akbar's corpse?

97 Frozen Al  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:39:26pm

If they shoot him, I hope the 14 soldiers he injured form the firing squad.

Al

98 DouginVA  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:40:41pm

#73 Ed - Actually the Commandant has his own seat at the JCS lunchtable. BTW, General Pace, USMC, is going to become the first Marine Chairman of the JCS.

99 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:40:48pm

I just emailed robert.blaha@noaa.gov, San Antonio-Austin NWS contact, to ask him.

100 urthshu  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:42:19pm
While it seems to me that there would be plenty of people available to shoot him high, I don't know that there are very many people left anymore who can hang people properly.

Just call the Navy. I can't even remember all the knotwork I learned there

101 gymnast  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:42:42pm

#51, Amy. "The US was built on diversity" What gives you that idea? E pluribus Unim. From many, one. The opposite of diversity, the great melting pot is what built America. Assimilation, not diversification. Diversity is a PC concept to drive Americans,regardless of their origins, apart.

102 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:43:09pm

#94 ibmkeyboard

but me and him alone in a cell,

Not in a cell, in a hallway. One of the defense team left a pair of scissors in the interview room. Akbar got ahold of them and concealed them in his uniform. On the way to the court room he asked to go to the bathroom. The MP uncuffed him. When he came out he attacked the MP.

103 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:43:42pm

I know how to tie a noose. We used to tie them for fun when I was a teenager. Never used one, though....

104 Mcgyver  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:44:17pm

reaganite - Not August, but it's coming fast. The wifes gonna drop her papers in Sept, so there'll be two retirees here. 'course the not-daughter should get her commission about the time her Mom retires. Yeah! AF ALL THE WAY

Mcgyver, out (not really trying to hijack the thread)

105 Amy  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:44:34pm

Havoc #85 -

Thanks for the link. He was born Mark Fidel Kools.

106 CrimsonFisted  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:45:04pm

#102

One of the defense team left a pair of scissors in the interview room.


Is that being investigated? Sounds a little too convenient. Was this attorney Lynne Stewart in drag perchance?

107 steve miller  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:45:21pm

reaganite - where do I shop for the keg?

:)

I am very concerned that the loonies on the left (including, but not limited to, Barbara Boxer and the entire NYT editorial board) will make a full court press to "spare" this traitor.

That's what he is - in a time of war, he killed his superior officers.

(Of course, I don't know if it's worse to kill your superior officers, or if that's taken into account.)

108 Anonymous Al  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:45:28pm

#83 (in response to #74 and #80),

OK.

That's one vote for burial of body and detached head in the desert... and one vote for Shred & Mulch.

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Any other suggestions for disposing Akbar's corpse?

109 urthshu  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:46:14pm

105

And that's what should go on his tombstone.

110 trespasser  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:46:32pm

#85

Retracing life of attack suspect UC Davis grad is Muslim with alleged doubts about Iraq war

That has got to be the most incomprehensible headline I have ever seen.

111 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:46:48pm

#90 Goodbye natalie

Personally, I would prefer to bait him through the eyes live.

LOL. I ain't gonna go fishin' with you, though. (Just in case you need extra eyeballs.)

112 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:46:50pm

#104 Mcgyver
Buy your wife a beer for me!

#106 CrimsonFisted

Is that being investigated? Sounds a little too convenient.

As far as I know it is...

113 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:47:04pm

Ooops, USMC Commandant answers to the SecNav.

114 Lyana  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:48:15pm

#66 rokbassist

Reservist who held migrants at gunpoint in AZ will not be charged

That is good news!

Kudos to the County Attorney:

Thomas says Arizona citizens have the right to make a citizen's arrest if either a federal or state felony offense has been committed in their presence, or if they believe the person they intend to arrest has committed it.
115 Ann  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:48:23pm

#92 Amy

The father's thing is idiotic, as though anything would justify this kind of wholesale, cowardly slaughter.

Yes, the criminal is the victim. Thank you, MSM. You are doing your best to aide and abet civilization's enemy. Again.

116 steve miller  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:48:28pm

How about "Traitor to his country and his fellow men. Executed for his treasonous actions."

117 urthshu  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:49:06pm
Any other suggestions for disposing Akbar's corpse?

I'm partial to dragging him behind a Navy ship until his body is completely gone.

118 Amy  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:49:15pm

gymnast #101 -

If you read what I wrote, you'll see that I did say one out of many. We became Americans first, and that held us together despite everything else that tended to pull us apart. Most other societies are far more homogeneous than we are, and we were a first in the 18th century.

But I think of America as a big tossed salad rather than a melting pot.

119 steve miller  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:49:30pm

Ed the Weatherman!

Even I knew that - and I don't even know enough to come in out of the rain!

120 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:50:11pm

#107 steve miller

That's what he is - in a time of war, he killed his superior officers.

It took the jury 2 1/2 hours to deliberate. 150 minutes. They probably took an hour or two for smoke breaks.

He's going to be executed in disgrace and deservedly so.

121 quark2  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:50:48pm

@102 reaganite

Has the defense attorney been investigated for this "mistake"?
And why did he have a pair of sissors on him in a prison?

122 steve miller  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:52:32pm

The last time I was on a jury trial, we spent a lot of time trying to think of reasons why the guy could be innocent. We evaluated all the presented evidence for innocence and guilt.

Then we voted, and it was unanimous on the first ballot.

Maybe they were trying to make sure all the t's were crossed.

123 urthshu  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:53:02pm
But I think of America as a big tossed salad rather than a melting pot.

Well, that *is* what's taught these days...

124 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:53:04pm

#108 Anonymous Al

I think goodbye Natalie would like to use him for bait. Must be goin' after sharks.

I would go for cremation and sending the remains to a landfill or just flushin' 'em. Wouldn't want to scatter them someplace where somebody could accidentally breathe in traitor particles and don't want a gathering place for like-minded assholes to gather and bewail his fate.

125 gymnast  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:53:20pm

#89, Ed Mahmoud ect. Don't think that your scurrilous slur of my Man, the Reverand Al Sharpton went un-noticed by the vast majority of moderate centerist progressive Democrats that visit this site. Calypso Louie is on his own, but Al wouldn't tousch this guy with a ten foot pole unless it was for big bucks. Al's got principles ya' know, and they don't seel cheap!

126 quark2  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:53:46pm

@121 me

Nevermind, I see my question has been answered.

I wonder, was one of his attorneys a muslim?

127 sailordude  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:54:03pm

Link

The above link is interesting. Still can't get over why Akbar (a.k.a. fuckstick) would join the Army, as an enlisted man, with a college degree. I'm thinking Rop "mole". Hopefully the services are doing a little back channel look at who is joining.

128 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:54:46pm

#121 quark2

And why did he have a pair of sissors on him in a prison?

It wasn't in the brig, it was in the Provost Marshal's office, where the Courts Martial was being held.

129 Amy  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:54:53pm

urthshu #123 -

Nobody "taught" me that. It's what I think.

130 MootPoint  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:56:11pm

#66 rokbassist

yay!

there is sanity in the world afterall

131 Ann  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:56:32pm

#121 quark2

Has the defense attorney been investigated for this "mistake"?

He was at the JAG office meeting in a conference room with his attorneys. I am sure that an investigation is already done, knowing those folks...

I'm sure it was just some clueless person, assuming that the guy is sane and rational.

132 quark2  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:57:51pm

@123 urthshu

That's what was taught when I was in school too...a melting pot, a sure fire way of assimulation. Tossed salad means balkanization, because the salad is still individual parts.

133 CrimsonFisted  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:59:23pm

#131 Ann

I'm sure it was just some clueless person, assuming that the guy is sane and rational.

I think they were all aware Akbar had to be drugged to go into court. I wouldn't think that was SOP and everyone was aware he was dangerous. It seems more like the scissors were deliberately left behind.

134 gymnast  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 4:59:57pm

#118, Amy, I quoted what you wrote exactly. Run your salad through a blender. No big thing.

135 reaganite  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:01:06pm

#133 CrimsonFisted

I think they were all aware Akbar had to be drugged to go into court.

I haven't read that before,got a link?

136 urthshu  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:02:36pm

129-

Didn't say they did. I said that's what's taught. If anything, it backs you up. Sorry if you got the tone wrong- I'm no snot.

137 CrimsonFisted  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:03:04pm

#135 reaganite

ewwwwwwww I was afraid of that request. Yes, let me search for it though.

138 quark2  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:03:39pm

@128 reaganite/@131 Ann

Thanx, I was wondering to myself why the hell he could get a hold of a pair of scissor. I was unaware of where he was located when he took them. I bet they've changed those procedures.

I'm like one of the posters above, questioning exactly when he joined, and how many others are there sitting like moles.

139 Anonymous Al  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:04:28pm

#117 and #124 (in response to #74, #80, and #83),

OK.

That's one vote for pulling his body in salt water like taffy until it stretches into nothingness, one vote for creamation and a flush, burial of his body and detached head in the desert... and one vote for Shred & Mulch.

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Any other suggestions for disposing Akbar's corpse?

140 satan sidekick  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:07:05pm

AMY said

That is all that has held us together as a nation. The Muslims' refusal to become American, with all that that implies, is an existential threat to this country, and renders them untrustworthy; for that reason, they should be excluded from the armed forces.

Well said!

I read today that his lawyer was making excuses that he had emotional problems because his sister had been sexually molested when he was a child.

YEAH RIGHT!

141 urthshu  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:07:08pm
pulling his body in salt water like taffy until it stretches into nothingness

No.

I wanted him chewed up by the propwash. Not the same thing.

142 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:07:13pm

#139 Anonymous Al

How about caging it and hanging it from a pole as it rots outside the cages at Gitmo as a warning to others, a la Olde England?

143 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:10:21pm

As I said, feeding him to feral hogs would be my way of disposing him, after dropping him hogtied on a large nest of Texas fire ants, but I'll settle for a standard firing squad and shipping his worthless carcass home to his daddy.

More US servicemen will die at the hands of RoP infiltrators, but eventually we'll either ban RoP service in the military or assign them jobs away from weapons, medicine and food.

144 urthshu  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:12:54pm
I'll settle for a standard firing squad and shipping his worthless carcass home to his daddy.

You're right, of course.

Its fun thinking up the fantasies of what to do with him, but when it comes down to the real thing, this is the only decent thing to do.

Thank you for saying so.

145 Ann  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:13:24pm

#138 quark2

I'm like one of the posters above, questioning exactly when he joined, and how many others are there sitting like moles.

Me, too!
Need to go crash now. I hope that we get more info in the next couple of days.

I'll get an email to you this weekend. Off to sleep...

Good night, all!

146 Anonymous Al  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:14:45pm

#141,

OK, here's a Correction to #139

#117 and #124 (in response to #74, #80, and #83),

OK.

That's one vote for pulling his body in salt water until it is chewed up by the propwash, one vote for creamation and a flush, burial of his body and detached head in the desert... and one vote for Shred & Mulch.

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Any other suggestions for disposing Akbar's corpse?

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urthshu, I visualized Akbar's corpse on a much longer cable, I guess.

147 sailordude  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:15:04pm

Link

If you think about it, placing moles in the Armed Services is a logical 4GW technique.

/paranoia off

148 Rancher  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:16:27pm
The MP uncuffed him. When he came out he attacked the MP.

Does the Army not know anything about security? When we take Inmates anywhere they are in four points. Hand cuffs and leg irons. Two officers, one armed, the other with a baton. Armed officer never gets closer than ten feet. Other officer stays with the Inmate even during restroom breaks. And the cuffs stay on. I had figured the Judge had ordered the restraints removed, some will do that and you have no choice in the matter. I'll say this for the MP, by our use of force policy he could have been shot. The fact that he wasn't saved the Army from a huge public relations nightmare. And this at great risk of his life.

149 satan sidekick  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:16:39pm

146 Akbar disposal

Feed him to the pigs.

150 SwampWoman  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:17:16pm

#143 Ed

More US servicemen will die at the hands of RoP infiltrators, but eventually we'll either ban RoP service in the military or assign them jobs away from weapons, medicine and food.

Dang, I can't think of a nonessential enough job where they wouldn't have the capacity to cause some damage.

151 stern  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:21:41pm

Isn't execution by firing squad considered by the military an "honorable" method of death, whereas hanging is reserved for criminals? I believe Wilhelm Keitel asked for a firing squad as a military man but was hung as a criminal none the less. Just asking.

152 lobo91  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:28:36pm

#86 urthshu:

what about having them in seperate divisions, like was done in previous wars. They could have their own chaplains that could interpret islamic issues for them [thereby controling mixed messages] and it would make logistics easier for the halal food, I guess.

The catch, though, is that those units were not used to fight against their former countrymen. The all-Japanese-American 442nd Regimental Combat Team, for example, fought in Europe.

While the idea of all-Muslim units is interesting, I'm not sure what you could really do with them.

153 satan sidekick  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:30:37pm

152

While the idea of all-Muslim units is interesting, I'm not sure what you could really do with them.

Use them as IEDs?

154 CrimsonFisted  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:32:15pm

#135 reaganite
Where I read it was a link from LGF that appears to be dead now. Rayra posted it so perhaps other lgfers remember what it said:
dead link now

However, he kept falling asleep during his trial, and defense attorneys claim it was "sleep apnea".

sleep apnea

155 Anonymous Al  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:33:25pm

#142,#143, and #149 (in response to #74, #80, #83, #117, 124, and #141),

OK.

That's one vote for hanging Akbar's corpse from a pole in a cage and letting it rot as a warning to the Gitmo Monkeys,

one vote for feeding what's left of his corpse to feral hogs after the fire ants have had at him,

one vote for the classic firing squad & carcass home-shipment,

one for feeding him to the pigs* alone,

one for pulling his body in salt water until it is chewed up by the propwash,

one for creamation and a flush,

one for burial of his body and detached head in the desert, ...

and one vote for Shred & Mulch.


* Any objections to adding the fourth suggestion to the second in that series, and makining it two votes for feeding what's left of his corpse to feral hogs after the fire ants have had at him?

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Any other suggestions for disposing of Akbar's corpse?

156 lobo91  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:36:54pm

#155 Anonymous Al:

I kind of like the first one...

157 gymnast  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:37:39pm

#152, Lobo91. Well one thing you could do with them is to determine if they had sufficient athletic talent to out swim sharks. Those that pass that test could be trained to wrestle with silverbacked gorillas.

158 satan sidekick  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:43:27pm

Actually we can do almost all of them


But first - we hang 'em, then place him on the pole as a warning to the gitmo monkeys, once his corpse get too ripe we feed him to the pigs, whatever is left gets cremated and the ashes are flushed down the toilet.

159 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:50:09pm

#158 satan sidekick

One minor modification. The ashes are mixed in with the Gitmo monkey's food, then they make their way into the toilet....

160 Rancher  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:50:26pm

All this talk about how Muslims can't serve honorably in the Armed Forces based on this sick individual does a disservice to the many Muslims that have and are currently putting their lives on the line. Such as Lieutenant General Abizaid.

161 lostmyleggins  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:54:23pm

As a sign of respect for his newfound culture, maybe we could have a stoning.

162 satan sidekick  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:55:41pm

152

While the idea of all-Muslim units is interesting, I'm not sure what you could really do with them.

Use them as IEDs?

163 satan sidekick  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 5:57:18pm

160 rancher

I don't believe Genral Abizaid is a Muslim. He is an Arab-American of Lebanese descent and a Christian.

164 gymnast  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:00:12pm

#160, Rancher. Got a link?

165 elvis  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:03:09pm

Impale him.

166 satan sidekick  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:06:13pm

165 elvis

Good idea!
Is your real name Vlad? LOL

167 christheprofessor  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:07:14pm

#166

Perhaps it's Elvlad?

168 Always right  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:11:39pm

126 quark2 4/21/2005 06:53PM PDT

Sandy Berger "ScissorHand", perhaps?

169 quark2  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:12:08pm

@145 Ann

G'nite Ann. :)

170 Anonymous Al  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:14:38pm

#156, #158, and #159 (in response to #s 74, 80, 83, 117, 124, 141, 142, 143, & 149),


OK.

That's four votes for hanging Akbar's corpse from a pole in a cage and letting it rot as a warning to the Gitmo Monkeys,

two votes for feeding what's left of his corpse to feral hogs after the fire ants have had at him,

two for creamation and a flush,

one for creamation and feeding to the aformentioned Gitmo Monkeys - and THEN flushing the Monkeys' excreta,

one vote for the classic firing squad & carcass home-shipment,

one for pulling his body in salt water until it is whipped into nothingness by the propwash,

one for burial of his body and detached head in the desert, ...

and one vote for Shred & Mulch.


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Any other suggestions for making an artistic/political statement of the POS Akbar's corpse?

171 quark2  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:17:09pm

@168 Always right

Boy, don't that fit like a glove! *lol

172 steve miller  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:21:00pm

Can't we simply him him be given a shot in a private room with no recording or photography? That way, he just ...dies, and he cannot be a martyr.

173 Rancher  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:21:27pm

#163 satan sidekick

Oh. Damn I was hoping to use him as an example. But I'm sure there are other Arab Americans fighting for us that are Muslim and they are our troops and deserve our respect.

174 lobo91  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:21:53pm

#163 satan sidekick:

I don't believe Genral Abizaid is a Muslim. He is an Arab-American of Lebanese descent and a Christian.

I'm pretty sure you're right about that.

#160 Rancher:

All this talk about how Muslims can't serve honorably in the Armed Forces based on this sick individual does a disservice to the many Muslims that have and are currently putting their lives on the line.

The problem is that by definition, a Muslim's primary allegiance is to Islam. No truly devout Muslim can be trusted in any sort of position of responsibility. Since there's no way to measure the degree to which they follow the tenets of their faith, the honest truth is that we can't take the chance.

Sorry if that's not PC enough for you, but it's the truth.

175 Attaboid  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:23:28pm

#51, Amy

Well said!

176 Stop Hillary  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:26:57pm

#5 Reganite -- "I wonder if the Army will bother trying him for the attack on the MP in the court house?"

I sure hope so. Just in case the ACLU pulls some stunt, I'd like to know that there are other legit charges against this murdering traitor. If his execution renders the second set of charges moot, so be it.

177 Jakester  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:27:50pm

Our prisons are full of 5%er trash like this Akbar jihad scumbag!

178 big L  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:29:08pm

OT-the Navy ships in port in San Diego were being painted
by a contractor who hired illegals to do the work. Said illegals were rounded up, but no charges so far to contactor.
--there seems to be a lot of odd-fellows in the military or on the bases these days.
Didn't Akbar shoot at the men leaving the tent? None of the msm news reports mention that, and somehow it should be reported even if no one died in the shooting.
I am not sure how the military handles green-card holders.
I wassurprised to see that non-citizeens could join the military.

179 Jakester  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:29:21pm

Use him to clear minefields or clean nuclear reactors if you are adverse to the death penalty!

180 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:29:22pm

Though he was not charged with either treason or terrorism, there is no doubt that these terms apply fairly to Akbar.

I devoutly hope that this administration has the nerve to apply and carry out the ultimate penalty.

The actual execution of an Islamic terrorist and traitor will be a watershed event in the WoT. However tentatively, it will at least start the process of bringing the reality of this struggle home to the masses of media-conformist terror-tools and fantasy ideologues whose brainless reflexes do so much to aid and comfort the enemies of civilization.

181 satan sidekick  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:29:41pm

Rancher

If you find a Muslim who is serving and placing his allegiance to this country above his religion, by all means let me know. Of course, he might be murdered by his fellow Muslims for admitting it.

182 Stop Hillary  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:30:55pm

#107 Steve Miller -- "I am very concerned that the loonies on the left (including, but not limited to, Barbara Boxer and the entire NYT editorial board) will make a full court press to "spare" this traitor."

Let 'em. It will reveal the Democrat Party to be what it truly is, the party of Anti-American Jihad. I include the NYT as part of the Democrat Party. They are nothing more than a propaganda organ for it.

183 lobo91  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:33:20pm

#178 Big L

Didn't Akbar shoot at the men leaving the tent? None of the msm news reports mention that, and somehow it should be reported even if no one died in the shooting.

One of the two men he killed died of gunshot wounds. The other died from grenade fragments.

184 satan sidekick  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:36:35pm

182 stop hillary

Let 'em. It will reveal the Democrat Party to be what it truly is, the party of Anti-American Jihad. I include the NYT as part of the Democrat Party. They are nothing more than a propaganda organ for it.

There used to be a time (not that long ago) when I didn't vote based on party affiliation. That ended in 1996. Today's Dems are as loony as they come (witless Boxer, the "swimmer" Kennedy). I can count on one hand the Dems with common sense - Zell (spitballs) Miller, Lieberman, Harry Ford, anyone else? We even have a few Reps who are tilting to the "loony" side.

185 lobo91  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:38:10pm

#181 satan sidekick:

If you find a Muslim who is serving and placing his allegiance to this country above his religion, by all means let me know.

The real question, though, is how would you know?

By the fact that he hasn't murdered any of his fellow soldiers?

You certainly can't go by the fact that they swore an oath to defend the US Constitution. After all, Akbar swore the very same oath. Doesn't mean a thing to them.

186 Stop Hillary  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:41:57pm

#91 Patmos -- "His execution will also have to be approved by President Bush. I shall be very interested to see how it plays out."

Hopefully, quickly, quietly without fanfare, and most certainly without remorse.

I recall reading that Abraham Lincoln had a difficult time approving death sentences for troops that fled under fire. This is so vastly different, I cannot imagine any good coming from sparing him. I think of the families of the victims, so tragic that they lost loved ones and then have to see the murdering traitor alive and breathing? I don't think I could bear that.

187 satan sidekick  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:42:05pm

185 lobo

That's the big problem. How do you know? I wouldn't trust one of them to be watching my back.

188 squeak51  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:42:39pm

May I suggest an addition to dumb-s#!+'s demise?
For a week or two before his execution (I don't care how just so long as it's fully, agonizing and complete):
Have a video camera record all of his food preparations, fry those veggie burgers in bacon grease, bacon grease in them biscuits, show pig fat being used in the making of his bath soap/shampoo/lotions, would someone toss him an NFL football in the exercise yard, of course capture that on tape as well?, and of course record him snarfing it all down then for two days before his execution, continually run that footage for him boys! The day of execution, he's chained to his "bunk", waking up with a piglett sleeping on his chest (no, that would be too cruel to the piglett), okay, he steps off the cot in/on to a puddle of pig urine and show him all the videos again. He'll be both terrified and begging for death. And we get to be 'happy to oblige'.

189 Stop Hillary  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:56:10pm

#188 squeak51,

I recognize that you are engaging in some hyperbole here. I think that's the wrong approach. I use the term "remorseless" in carrying out the execution. That's the message I'd want these Jihadis to get. A message that says to the Jihadis, "we aren't into this screaming "Allu Akbar" crap like you. We coming after you coldly, professionally, relentlessly and remorselessly until you are dead or you unconditionally surrender because you have neither the will nor the capacity to resist." That's it.

I hear some oil tick is coming to the Texas ranch. That's the message that he and every one of those like him needs to be getting.

190 Stop Hillary  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 6:59:56pm

#188 squeak51,

I recognize that you are engaging in some hyperbole here. I think that's the wrong approach. I use the term "remorseless" in carrying out the execution. That's the message I'd want these Jihadis to get. A message that says to the Jihadis, "we aren't into this screaming "Allu Akbar" crap like you. We coming after you coldly, professionally, relentlessly and remorselessly until you are dead or you unconditionally surrender because you have neither the will nor the capacity to resist." That's it.

I hear some oil tick is coming to the Texas ranch. That's the message that he and every one of those like him needs to be getting.

191 Stop Hillary  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 7:01:22pm

Honestly, I meant it the first time! :-) Don't know what I did there, sorry Lizards for the repeat post.

192 Havoc  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 8:18:11pm

#65 Reaganite

Retirement Planning --

I suggest a good used sportcar with a big trunk and luggage rack --

a good road atlas ....

And a long long list of Lizards with spare rooms and couches to surf on.

193 Bubble Girl  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 8:22:46pm

Havoc @ 192

Road Trip..... how about a used Landcruiser to load up those fishing poles, fly rods, sleeping bags, and scuba gear... and a surf board...

194 Rancher  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 8:26:04pm

To be honest I don't place my allegiance to this country ahead of my religion. God, family, country. I don't see that they are anyway incompatible, but I grant you that Islam does not seem to allow a separation between church and state, and therefore democracy and freedom of religion can't be tolerated. But I'm not a moderate Muslim, so I can't say. I know allot of you don't believe in moderate Muslims, but I'm not ready to brand a billion or so people as Islamofacist. Granted I believe a large percentage are. I just support my troops regardless of race, religion, or gender.

195 Cornholio  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 8:33:39pm

reaganite and #79 ibmkeyboard

Ok, Akbar stabbed an MP twice with a pair of scissors a few weeks ago

Ouch. (And of course hardly any mention of it in the MSM.) How did he get ahold of scissors?

Reaganite, I didn't know you are retiring! Congratulations.

196 Rancher  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 9:03:21pm

#195 Cornholio

From #108 reaganite

Not in a cell, in a hallway. One of the defense team left a pair of scissors in the interview room. Akbar got ahold of them and concealed them in his uniform. On the way to the court room he asked to go to the bathroom. The MP uncuffed him. When he came out he attacked the MP.
197 Dov (In the Astrodome City) Republic of Texas  Thu, Apr 21, 2005 11:51:49pm

#76 Reaganite

I stand corrected HOWEVER I still think he should be sentenced by those he served with (killed, attempted to kill)

198 evildoer  Fri, Apr 22, 2005 1:26:29am
Prosecutors have said Akbar planned the attack and told investigators he carried it out because he was worried United States forces would harm fellow Muslims. Last week, the prosecution introduced diary entries in which Akbar wrote he might have to kill his “battle buddies.”

who is he trying to kid? anywhere muslims border people of a different faith, there is a body count - anywhere muslims border another muslim country - there is a larger body count.

Islam is death worship 24-7-365, anytime, anywhere, anyplace

199 John Gibbon  Fri, Apr 22, 2005 3:57:44am

Patmos is right...

If a death sentence is given, he'll die by lethal injection at United States Disaplinary Barracks (USDB) at Fort Leavenworth KS.

Brand New "Barracks" by the way! Too bad he won't be able to enjoy them long.

The rest of the crowd there makes some pretty fine products!:

Shop at the USDB!

200 John Gibbon  Fri, Apr 22, 2005 8:15:05am

...an eye cain't spel eyether...

doh...'Disciplinary'

201 Jeff S.  Fri, Apr 22, 2005 8:42:33pm

#60 Amy

I see yeshiva students wearing yarmulkes raising and lowering Old Glory every weekday.


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