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 RetweetAnnie Jacobsen Gets a Visit from the Feds

Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 5:54:04 pm PDT

A fascinating and disturbing new installment of Annie Jacobsen’s Terror in the Skies series reveals that the Department of Homeland Security is still very interested in the possible terrorist dry run aboard Northwest flight 327; four federal agents made a special trip to LA to interview Jacobsen about the incident: Annie Jacobsen Gets a Visit from the Feds. (Hat tip: Michelle Malkin.)

So what do you say to four federal agents at your kitchen table on a bright Tuesday morning? The first thing I clarified for the agents was that, prior to my experience on flight 327, I had never heard of a “probe” or a “dry run.” For the record, I explained, I had never heard of the James Woods incident either. [In case you’re not aware, the actor James Woods flew on an American Airlines flight from Boston to Los Angeles one month prior to 9/11. Alarmed by the behavior of a group of four Middle Eastern men, Woods summoned the pilot and told him that he was “concerned the men were going to hijack the plane.” A report was filed with the FAA on Woods’ behalf but, tragically, no one followed up with Woods or the men. A few days after 9/11, several federal agents showed up in Woods’ kitchen. Woods can’t talk about what was said — he believes his testimony will be used in the trial of the supposed 20th hijacker, Zacarias Moussaoui— but, in an interview with Bill O’Reilly, Woods revealed that his flight “was a rehearsal [for 9/11] with four men.”]

Standing in my kitchen, one of the agents said, “What I can tell you is this: Mohammed Atta was one of the passengers on that flight with James Woods.” (Apparently, this information has never been made public.) With that, the agent pulled out his chair, opened his notebook and started in with his questions for me (at which point the other three agents opened up their notepads almost simultaneously).

During my meeting with the agents, what was not said was often as revealing as what was said. Naturally, the agents “were not at liberty” to tell me anything about the 13 Syrian men aboard flight 327, but they asked a lot of questions regarding my “intuition” about the situation: Intuition told me something was not right. Intuition is why I began noting the men’s actions from the get-go. And it was exactly these details in which the agents seemed most interested. One of the agents commented on the fact that I took a lot of hits in the press — that I was called a racist and a bigot simply for sticking with my gut instinct. To me, the agents’ story that Mohammed Atta had been on James Woods’ flight was a wink and a nod to the fact that it’s fine to trust your intuition. If you’re wrong, you can always stand corrected.

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1 Bob's Kid  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:01:00pm

I really really really hope that this is being taken as seriously as a heart attack. Like she says...if she's wrong, she can always stand corrected. Better that than airplanes being flown into office buildings.

Scary, no?

2 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:01:15pm

Wow.

3 [Engineer]  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:02:22pm
To me, the agents’ story that Mohammed Atta had been on James Woods’ flight was a wink and a nod to the fact that it’s fine to trust your intuition. If you’re wrong, you can always stand corrected.

Just so. Better to look like a fool than be dead.

4 Quana  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:03:24pm

My reaction precisely, Ed..."Wow".

5 CrimsonFisted  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:04:26pm
One of the agents commented on the fact that I took a lot of hits in the press


She might have taken hits from the press but not from the unwashed masses of which I am a card carrying member. Who cares what "the press" has to say?

6 usa  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:04:59pm

How long before CAIR labels the interview unlawful profiling?

7 Spiny Norman  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:05:01pm

After the recent article where the women reporter understood what the Arabic speakers were saying without them knowing it, I am now wondering if the suspicious behavior on Flight 327 was in fact the Arab men deliberately attempting to frighten the "kufirs" and no real terrorist plot was involved.

8 Bob's Kid  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:08:42pm

That might be, Norman, but even so...it's gotta stop. If we stand up for ourselves those who think such behavior is funny will have to STOP because they're going to get beat up if they don't.

Can you imagine Iron Fist on that flight?!

9 sandspur  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:10:19pm

OT
FNC is showing the Breaking Point program about Iran and it's terror ties and nukes now.

10 needles  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:10:27pm

I really really really hope that this is being taken as seriously as a heart attack.

it's probably being taken as seriously as GWB's commitment to national border security.

translation: it's not being taken seriously at all.

11 Spiny Norman  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:12:36pm

By the way, this article.

#8 Bob's Kid,

I agree wholeheartedly. That is definitely "interfering with a flight crew."

12 Chip Designer  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:14:22pm

#7,

What kind of guest in a foreign country tries to deliberately frighten the locals?

13 CrimsonFisted  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:15:47pm

Soon after 9/11 I had a job interview with a man who flew first class a lot. He said that the on flights he had been on since then people in first class would make a brief and quiet pact "No one gets by us" after 9/11. I cannot believe we would just take crap on an airplane. None of us. That stewardess got Richard Reid, after all. If I saw suspicious behavior on a plane I would say something toot sweet, damn the pc police. In fact I have, even before 9/11.

14 Bob's Kid  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:15:53pm

OT, but does this headline annoy anyone besides me:

Funeral held for MURDERED activist

(emphasis mine)

15 Brenda  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:16:16pm

Thirteen illegal aliens from a terror-supporting country were allowed to fly on American domestic flight. Instead, they should have been deported ASAP, with no further questions. This is Norm Mineta's fault, and he should be fired yesterday.

The Syrians entered the United States on P-3 cultural visas, which they overstayed; the visas had expired by the time they boarded flight 327.
16 quark2  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:16:53pm

The sentence about the information of James Woods flying one month with Atta on his flight is old news. It was published after the WTC/DC/Penn attack...and I believe we discussed it on several threads here at Lgf. If I remember rightly, it was brought up when the subject of the television producer and his wife were on one of the planes hijacked and then crashed.

17 ciaospirit  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:19:16pm

#10 needles

it's probably being taken as seriously as GWB's commitment to national border security

You're right. And as we speak, Congress is trying to back door illegal amnesty by attaching it to another bill. And this amnesty won't be able to exclude the rif-raf. NO to amnesty!

18 Megan  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:19:53pm

Well we can't let this make us star racially profiling people, it could have easily been gray-haired 80-year-old English women, girl scouts, or Japanese students that hijacked the plane- not just Muslim men!/LLL

19 Luigi  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:20:59pm

OT -- Get mad!

Where is the rage at the price of gasoline? The Arabs and others have more hands in our pockets than Michael Jackson and there is not one word -- not one! -- of anger from our fellow guls in the American public.

And now, they're telling us we like it

Survey finds some relief at gas pump

Prices drop at least a penny for first time this year

It is the biggest rip off in history, but never is heard a discouraging word on tv or the MSM. Ya think maybe they don't want us to go there?

20 HVT  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:21:47pm

OT:

Greetings From Mexistan

It may be just about the most inspiring sight imaginable: hundreds of thousands of people gathered in the main square of some capital city, demanding democratic self-rule. "They're doing it in many different corners of the world," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said last week, "places as varied as Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan and, on the other hand, Lebanon, and rumblings in other parts of the world as well. And so this is a hopeful time."

It is a process in which the United States claims more than an observer's role. The business of America, says President Bush, is spreading democracy. "The leaders of governments with long habits of control need to know: To serve your people, you must learn to trust them," Bush said in his inaugural address this January. "Start on this journey of progress and justice and America will walk at your side."

Unless, of course, you're Mexican.

21 Mr. E. Train  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:23:49pm

Remember the thread from a day or so ago where the woman who could understand arabic (unbeknownst to others) was sitting in a mosque pretending to read while listening in on their conversation? Didnt she report that some of the middle eastern men were joking about taking a flight and acting strange just to mess with the infidels head?

I want this looked into as well, but perhaps we could also be seeing a pattern of middle eastern folk messin' with whitey.

22 Charles  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:24:09pm

quark2: yes, the info about the dry run that James Woods witnessed is old news, but unless I'm mistaken it's never been confirmed that one of the people on that flight was Mohammed Atta.

23 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:25:18pm
24 Charles  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:26:41pm

And let's not even mention that this incident happened last July.

25 ciaospirit  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:27:42pm

The Syrians entered the United States on P-3 cultural visas, which they overstayed; the visas had expired by the time they boarded flight 327.

CLOSE THE BORDERS until we get our shit together and can protect the American people with immigration policies that makes sense!

26 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:29:40pm
27 [Engineer]  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:30:14pm

#19 Luigi

Where is the rage at the price of gasoline? The Arabs and others have more hands in our pockets than Michael Jackson and there is not one word -- not one! -- of anger from our fellow guls in the American public.

Sorry, but the Arabs didn't cause the price to go up. Increased demand, mainly from India and China caused the price jump.

28 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:30:36pm

What's also amazing is that Woods is not a typical hollywood leftist mouth breather lunatic bubble dweller. Woods is really very smart and leans conservative. Poor guy probably isn't able to work much - you know since hollywood is so tolerant... but I digress...


Too bad it wan't Sean Peen on the aircraft that day instead of James Woods.

29 Renna  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:31:13pm

I'm sure we will be cautioned by our "betters" not to trust gut feelings or intuition because it just isn't rational and is most likely motivatied by some inner bigotry.

But it is irrational to discount "intuition" because more often than not it is actually a reaction to real things you see and hear but you can't put your finger on exactly why it bothers you, so you descibe it as "a feeling."

30 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:31:27pm
31 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:34:18pm

Needles - piss off. What did Clinton do? oh yeah- penis stimulation by 19 year old intern in oval office.

Good thing Clinton had his eye on the ball all those years...

32 abolitionist  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:34:18pm

#7 Spiny Norman

I am now wondering if the suspicious behavior on Flight 327 was in fact the Arab men deliberately attempting to frighten ...


That would be a NO, nada, nicht, negatory:

Mohammed Atta was one of the passengers on that flight with James Woods.
33 [Engineer]  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:35:06pm

#24 Charles

And let's not even mention that this incident happened last July.

And it took the FBI this long to decide to talk to her. That makes me feel so good. NOT.

And why four agents? Is the FBI so over staffed they can send four people to do what one could have done?

34 Rancher  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:35:09pm

#14 Bob's Kid

Oswald also recounted the time when an 8-year-old Ruzicka sold rocks door-to-door

Wow, no wonder she could sell those civilian death figures. But I certainly get no joy in her death, and yes, she was murdered. Do you have a problem with the word murdered or activist?

35 Han_Solo  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:35:58pm

All... I ... can...say...is...


HOLY SHIT!

36 Brenda  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:36:49pm

#17 ciaospirit and #10 needles

Fight against the illegal alien amnesties and other idiotic immigration policies by sending faxes to Congress expressing your disapproval:

NumbersUSA

Just click on Fax Congress Free and follow the directions to log on. I use this service often when Congress is in session and plotting more giveaways.

37 quark2  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:37:13pm

@22 Charles

Thanx. :)


@23 Rayra

I think we've listened, read and heard enough about the FBI to take a pound of salt with whatever info we're given about them.
After the Waco fiasco ( and I don't know why a bunch of the ATF, FBi and Reno are not serving life sentences) I have no faith in them.
They're totally dysfunctional, untrustworthy, have no cojones and
completely spinelss. Isn't Hoover spinning in His grave!

38 ciaospirit  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:38:47pm

Charles, are you aware that you are under "attack" over on the Telecomm Hitler thread? Heads are exploding.

39 Belize042  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:38:48pm

#14 Bob's Kid

I would say she was actually disenfranchised by insurgents.

40 secsailor  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:39:30pm

#12 Chip

What kind of guest in a foreign country tries to deliberately frighten the locals?

I think we already know the answer to that one.

41 usa  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:40:01pm

Palestinians: US forcing Christianity on Muslims


In the article, the U.S. is accused of "grinding the bones" of Palestinian children and "devouring their eyes."

... the "inflammatory sermon," by Sheikh Ibrahim Mudayris, comes only a few weeks after PA leadership announced it would review the Friday sermons to remove incitement and hateful content.

The article from the PA daily, Al Hayat Al Jadida, April 16, said, "Seventeen years (since the assassination of the fighter Abu Jihad) that the murderous millstones of America have been turning, grinding the bones of our children and devouring their eyes. Not Israel! There is no such thing called Israel! It is America repeating upon us, the Arabs, the tragedy of the Indians [sic] from the dawn of her [American] history that began with this first crime of genocide."

I pray someone in Washington is paying attention to this filth.

42 Bob's Kid  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:40:29pm

#34 Rancher: No problem with the murdered part, problem with how the left sees the deaths of, oh, US servicemen and women, contractors on helicopters that are shot down, etc.

Sure, she was murdered. So were the people on the helicopter. But you'd never know that by reading lefty websites. That's what irks me. She's being lauded as a heroine, while the other folks deserve what they got. And they're all there to rebuild Iraq, right?

What's the difference?

43 Pooh  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:42:17pm

OT: Important New Article By Melanie Phillips

April 24, 2005

Under siege by Melanie Phillips

[Extracts]

1) "Jews are currently celebrating the festival of Passover . This commemorates the exodus of the Jews from slavery in Egypt, the point at which they gained their freedom and became a nation. The two concepts are intimately connected. On Friday afternoon, when orthodox Jews preparing for both the Sabbath and Passover would have been unable to attend, the Association of University Teachers took a large step towards delegitimising the Jewish national homeland as a prelude to its destruction. It passed a motion calling for a boycott of two Israeli universities, Haifa and Bar Ilan, which it accused of being complicit in the abuse of Palestinians in the occupied territories, and agreed to circulate a Palestinian call for a total university boycott."

2) "The AUT motion cannot be dismissed as the ravings of a tiny minority of far-left academics in a marginal union. It may be that other academics, appalled by what has occurred, will resign from that union or protest in other ways. But this development is merely the latest in an apparently unstoppable stream of comments and incidents of an anti-Jewish nature. And the crucial thing is the absence of outrage in the wider community — indeed, on occasion, it provides its endorsement. The AUT motion came at the end of a week which saw the award of the MBE to Orla Guerin, the BBC reporter whose venomous dispatches from Israel have come to epitomise the virulent anti-Israel hatred at the BBC. For her to be given this award, presented by Baroness Symons, the junior Foreign Office minister, is a calculated kick in the teeth by the labour government towards the Jewish community in Britain, where feeling about Guerin’s reporting runs very high as the government well knows."

For the complete article, please follow this link:

[Link: www.melaniephillips.com...]

44 Rancher  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:45:43pm

#20 HVT

Except for the corruption and the fact that they have effectively had a one party Democracy for 60 years Mexico could easily be as prosperous as the United States. Wish they could get their act together.

45 Rancher  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:47:49pm

#24 Charles

Hey, you got a Blog? Cool.

46 Bob's Kid  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:49:27pm
Mexico could easily be as prosperous as the United States

That would be GREAT.

47 nonic  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:53:51pm

#19 Luigi
#27 [Engineer]

Increased demand, mainly from India and China caused the price jump.

With China and India gearing up, oil ain't NEVER gonna be cheap again.

48 Rancher  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:54:12pm

#37 Quark2

After the Waco fiasco

I teach hostage behavior and hostage management and use Waco as an example of what not to do.

49 Brenda  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:57:25pm

#44 rancher

I like Prof. George Grayson's quote about Mexico:

If Singapore could lease Mexico for 20 years, Americans soon would be complaining about the "colossus of the South."

From
Unchanging Mexico

50 Alone in NY  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:58:36pm

...and people want to relax certain provisions of the Patriot Act?

51 Rancher  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 4:59:05pm

Oh man, Jeff Foxworthy just said "I believe that if you can't say anything nice about someone...you must be talkin' about Hillary Clinton." That's funny, I don't care who ya are.

52 Catttt  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 5:03:13pm

#14 Bob's Kid

The woman was killed by an act of homicide - to me murder is what happened to her. She was an activist - no doubt about it. The headline is factual, to me.

53 tankdemon  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 5:03:59pm

So, it only took about 10 months to get somebody to respond, when the last time somebody reported feeling uneasy about a situation, it was only one month later that the inferno was lit. I understand that they can't follow up on everything immediately, but there should be some sort of sense of urgency about this type of thing.

54 quark2  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 5:05:23pm

@48 Rancher

They did that so all very wrong! They could have outlested them by just surrounding the compound...no entering and no leaving.
But the wipeasses just had to bring in the tanks and gas the whole shebang.
Everytime I see Janet Reno of television, all I see is Waco.

55 spetiam  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 5:06:09pm
One of the agents commented on the fact that I took a lot of hits in the press — that I was called a racist and a bigot simply for sticking with my gut instinct. To me, the agents’ story that Mohammed Atta had been on James Woods’ flight was a wink and a nod to the fact that it’s fine to trust your intuition.

Yeah, or maybe they were trying to see if they could write her off as a racist and a bigot. Yes, I'm a cynic. However, I'm not so much of a cynic that I'd think they're looking to charge her with inciting panic...

56 usa  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 5:08:52pm

52 tankdemon

there should be some sort of sense of urgency about this type of thing.

Gov't can and should do more, but I really don't think the gov't can prevent this sort of thing. In the final analysis, its up to the bravery of ordinary citizen passengers.

Let's Roll.

57 Rancher  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 5:09:07pm

#42 Bob's Kid

What's the difference?

I was going to say none. But, one could say that the actions of our troops and the contractors actually help the Iraqi people and hers the "terrorists", wait, the "insurgents", uh I mean "anti-coalition forces". But your point is taken.

58 quark2  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 5:12:52pm

There'd certainly be hell to pay, especially by those who fly frequently if we had seen a repeat of 9.11...and Homeland Security knowing about it...I'm not sure what'd we be witnessing.

59 Rancher  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 5:13:17pm

#54 quark2

Rule #1. Time is on our side.

60 Spiny Norman  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 5:14:17pm

#32 abolitionist

That would be a NO, nada, nicht, negatory:

Mohammed Atta was one of the passengers on that flight with James Woods.

The subject of my comment was the shenanigans on Northwest 327 in 2004 -- the flight that Jacobson was on, NOT the flight with James Woods in 2001.

61 Bob's Kid  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 5:14:42pm

Rancher, let me make it clear that I am NOT making light of her death--to my mind any death is a tragedy. I just don't appreciate her being a hero while the others are considered (by the left, anyway) as greedy blood-sucking capitalists who deserve to die.

Just don't want you to misunderstand me!

62 octopus  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 5:24:39pm

Bob's kid -- I think I got what you meant, right away. "Murdered" isn't the right term to use, when someone is killed accidentally or even on purpose in a war-zone. The editor needs a kick in the shins, for that choice.

I read a bit about the girl, and I think her heart was in the right place, even if her head was WAY up her hind-end. I'm not happy she was killed.

63 heretic  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 5:38:11pm

I used to work in a police department training office. One lesson they taught new cops is that if you're willing to give it every single thing you have physically for (I think it was ) 30 seconds, you'll probably win the fight. That most fights don't last longer than a few seconds. The phrase I remember was "if you're willing to eat teeth and swallow blood).

The other lesson I remember is them counseling that if the hair stands up on the back of your neck, GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE. Don't stand around and analyze it, move! In other words, trust your instincts.

Of course, you can't "get the hell out of there" on an airplane but the lesson on trusting your instincts is pertinent.

And, equally pertinent is the lesson about giving it everything you have physically and you *will* take out the terrorist scum.

64 kafir  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 5:53:46pm

I am sure this is going to be tagged as racist. It is not. It is an observation and an opinion.

At Detroit Metro Airport (DTW to you frequent travelers), you have some security to run through. The security in the old terminals, not the big Northwest building, is staffed by people named Ahmed, Tariq, and many other arabic names.

Given the observed propensity of mouthpieces of islamofascism to scream bloody murder when things like this are pointed out, I am sure the TSA will not pick a fight.

Are these folks loyal americans? Do they support the same ideas and ideals that I do? Do they value free society, intellectual discourse, and freedom of speech? Is association a valid reason to assume "guilt"?

Do I as a frequent traveler feel comfortable with this group of people as a security detail? No.

We have all seen sympathizers in our military, in the general populace in Iraq wreck havoc and mayhem on the population there. I have a great deal of trouble believing the "tiny minority" line I keep hearing.

All it takes is one sympathizer. Just one.

We read something recently about this, with an arrest of a DTW security person of middle east origin.

65 ciaospirit  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 6:15:38pm

#64 Kafir

It's not racist. It's common sense. Our military guys that got the grenade in the tent would tell you it's common sense. I don't know how we are ever to trust them unless they denounce that evil cult of Islam.

66 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 6:26:23pm

I haven't read this all but Charles' blurbs make it sound very cool.

OT:
I just switched ISPs. I use a dialup and my new ISP, allvantage has better HTML compression than my last one. I think it recognizes that when you reload an LGF page it's mostely the same as the previous time because I'm seeing compression rates like 26:1.

Anyway even on new text I get 10:1 to 15:1 compression. I can chat on LGF pages now without long waits like I used to get. Sooo cool.

67 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 6:29:37pm
68 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 6:31:34pm

It sounds like the FBI is the wrong agency for dealing with terrorism. They have the mindset of crime investigators, but terrorism is war not crime.

69 Quilly Mammoth  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 6:37:57pm

If you are wrong, the worst that can happen is you are called a bigot. If you are right the perps get hauled away and you never know.

Not a very attractive policy. Though I feel better safe than sorry (in this case dead.

70 talk sick alaskan  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 6:45:09pm

My sister is a flight attendant...and a fully fledged moonbat...

However, I would like to think that she would say something if someone with the right genes was acting suspicious.

The FBI doesn't give me a lot of confidence. Too many holdovers from a previous administration.

The last time I flew through NY, there were many, many people of the ROP. I can't help it, they ALL look suspicious to me. They don't smile back at ya.

71 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 6:51:35pm

#70 talk sick alaskan

If they're Salafis (like Saudis) they've been told it's a sin to smile at a nonmuslim. As one cleric told AP "we may be required to hate you but that doesn't mean we'd hurt you." He's lying of course, that's exactly what it means.

72 talk sick alaskan  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 6:58:59pm

#71 Josh,

That's what it feels like. It creeps me out.

I went to grad school in the early nineties. During the 1st Gulf War. I was in a very small office with a shiite from Iran and a sunni from Bangladesh. Both men. It was an interesting time. They had some good debates. The guy from Iran was a nice guy. I counted him amongst my friends. I even gave him a ride to the airport when he and his wife and 2 kids moved back to Iran in like 94. I pray that he will come to his senses and leave islam.

73 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 7:06:05pm

#72 talk sick alaskan

It's not exposure to LGF that makes me disgusted with Mid Easterners and Muslims, it's reading their hate filled newspapers, magazines (and seeing the hate on TV interviews) that creeps me out. Especially the Jew hatred.

I sat next to a couple that may have been speaking Arabic the other day and felt a bit creeped out even though, by their clothes and grooming, they were clearly completely secular and thus on our side... I keep thinking, if the topic of Israel came up I'd see some real hatred.

74 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 7:09:04pm

#72 talk sick alaskan

A Shiite? Well according to the Salafis, he's already a Jew!

I wish I was joking.

75 talk sick alaskan  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 7:18:59pm

Josh,

I have some LLL friends who like to believe they are level-headed, peace-loving, and get along with anybody anytime. But, their feelings toward Jewish people comes out once in a while. I know it seems hard to believe [sarc!].

What I find incredibly ironic is how many Jews are LLLs.

I'm flummoxed by that. That doesn't make ANY sense.

76 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 7:24:17pm

#75 talk sick alaskan

There are strange dynamics going on these days.

Like the MSM spreading propaganda from the unfree world back to the free world because they can make money selling their wire service and news networks to dictators only if they they toe the line and sell any hatred or lie the regimes want... And business is so ethics free these days they do it. Never any question, what ever makes money is required. Not a lick of humanity left in the lot.

77 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 7:26:03pm

At least that's my theory about why Israel hatred is required in the MSM these days. Gotta sell CNN to the Arabs after all.

78 talk sick alaskan  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 7:33:06pm

Josh,

Sadly, that all makes sense.

Take care of yourself.

79 Cornholio  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 7:48:57pm

#15 Brenda 4/24/2005 06:16PM PDT

Thirteen illegal aliens from a terror-supporting country were allowed to fly on American domestic flight. Instead, they should have been deported

Amen! I'll say it again and again, nobody from Syria, Saudi, etc. should be allowed to set foot in the U.S. until the War on Terror is over and won. Why W hasn't gone after this, I'll never understand.

It's like inviting German and Japanese to vist the U.S. at the the height of World War II.

80 Cornholio  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 8:00:31pm

More from the Jacobsen article illustrates we should not let any "tourists" in from Syria.

Because the men were from Syria -- which the State Department lists as a terrorist-sponsoring nation -- each man was interviewed individually by Customs and Border Patrol when he entered the country. Once in the United States, they traveled back and forth across the country several times using one-way tickets, for which they paid cash.
Two months prior to the flight, the FBI issued

a warning that, based on credible information, terrorist organizations might try to hide their members behind P visas -- cultural or sports visas -- to gain entry into the United States.
The Syrians entered the United States on P-3 cultural visas, which they overstayed; the visas had expired by the time they boarded flight 327.

It's going to take a second 9/11 before our government ends the politically correct #%^ that is $&@%ing up our border security.

81 ibu guru  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 8:07:56pm

#44 Rancher

Except for the corruption and the fact that they have effectively had a one party Democracy for 60 years Mexico could easily be as prosperous as the United States. Wish they could get their act together.

That will only happen when Mexicans demand change in their government, and when Mexicans stop reproducing so fast they cannot keep up with teacher-training, etc. As long as the powers that be can dump their excess population, criminals and malcontents on the US, there can be nothing more than the status quo. Why spend taxpayer dollars building a school or hospital when you can ship kids and the ill to the US and get US taxpayers to foot the bill?

The best thing the US can do to effect real reform in Mexico (and Cuba, et al.) is to shut the border and tell these countries to fix themselves. Democracy arises from within. Let Mexicans, Cubans, etc. determine their own futures instead of playing patronizing and paternalistic games, excusing "poor, downtrodden" people. "Do it yourself" is the only way to empowerment.

82 Dan Gummitt  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 8:33:30pm

#63 heretic

...if you're willing to give it every single thing you have for 30 second, you'll probably win the fight...


You are correct sir. That's why boxing rounds only go three minutes. Wrestling too, I think. It's almost impossible for even the most fit athlete to exert himself at the level required in a fight for more than a couple of minutes. Then the fighters go to their corner and collapse onto a stool.

Think of an NFL game. While the game itself may last 3 hours, each down only goes for ten seconds or less, and these superb human specimans go back to the huddle huffing and puffing after pitting their strength against other men.

83 ibu guru  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 8:40:18pm

#67 Rayra

/pissed at the infiltration of my FedGov by Idiots

Not only is the FBI using Muslims as Arabic translators. If you study illegal immigration, you will find that the Filippino immigration agent at LAX gets arrested for running a smuggling ring for Filippinos thru LAX. A Guatemalan in Danbury, CT, runs a bogus safe address scheme for bogus drivers' licenses and car registrations for Guatemalans.

It's affinity fraud. Chinese Triads smuggle Chinese Triad members and affiliates. Vietnamese Triads forge credit cards for Vietnamese. Armenian insurance agent runs an auto insurance scam for Armenians in Glendale, CA.

We should require that any government employee must have been a US citizen for at least five years. Instead, they hire non-citizens: "can't discriminate based on national origin." But the vast majority of illegal immigration and assorted frauds are run by nationals of one country or ethnic group solely for members of that particular group.

MS-13 has become an exception. They can make more money smuggling Middle Easterners than Salvadorans. Making the contacts, infiltrating the power structure, setting up the deal is a sticking point -- and the only thing preventing far greater infiltration by Middle Easterners via the southern border.

Canada had the ethnic "infrastructure" that enabled Ressam to work and travel undetected throughout Canada for years. Only a very astute border agent listened to her intuition and discovered his bomb and plans to blow up LAX at the border crossing. That same sort of "infrastructure" is now being developed throughout Latin America. And islamofascist terrorists specifically targeted that area for new infrastructure development precisely because our border security is so appallingly weak. Rampant government corruption throughout Latin America enables this development.

Our Federal (and states'!) government has been infiltrated by criminals, terrorists, and their associates, enabled by idiotic political correctness.

84 ibu guru  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 8:56:53pm

So where are the 13 Syrian illegal aliens now? Does anybody have any idea what happened to them? Did they ever obtain (no less learn to play) any musical instruments?

Bush and his nominees like Tom Ridge (fortunately now replaced, tho I have reservations about the successor), Norm Mineta, and certainly La Raza member Alberto Gonzalez (new AG) really haven't done a damn thing to secure our borders.

"Non-amnesty" amnesty proposals like AgJobs only make our problems more severe and intractable, without doing a thing to improve agriculture's employment needs (How you gonna keep 'em down on the farm after they get ID? You don't! They go off to get jobs everywhere else!).

The people who will get a free pass into Americans' wallets are not "poor Mexicans who just want a grape-picking job," but criminals and terrorists and those who aid and abet them. I stand in favor of Bush on so many things, but he still doesn't have a clue on the relationship between illegal immigration and crime as well as terrorism.

85 nichtdhimmi  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 10:15:19pm

#64 Kaffir

You are not racist. I feel the same way, and I fly a lot. You know how I know I am not racist? If it were an airport screener of middle east origen who was named "George" or "Christian", i.e., a middle eastern Christian, I would feel quite confident. I love the middle east Christians. Plus, they know the real deal. They've seen it up close and personal.

86 Miggie  Sun, Apr 24, 2005 10:30:07pm

75 Talk Slick Alaskan

What I find incredibly ironic is how many Jews are LLLs.
I'm flummoxed by that. That doesn't make ANY sense.

Maybe this will help you understand. Jews, like everyone else, are on both sides of the political spectrum. Jews, like everyone else, frequently act against their own self interest. For example 48% or so of all Americans voted for Kerry in the last election. As a group, they are a bit more political and active but you will find as many of them on the far right as on the far left. That way, no matter what you believe, there is a prominent Jew on the other side to single out and to hate.

Israel itself has a great number of political parties left to right and every shade in between. It is so democratic that it is practically unworkable.

The good news is that there is a sea change going on here in the US now and a great number of Jews, including me, switched after 9/11 from Democratic to Republican.

I once was blind but now I see.

87 Baldy  Mon, Apr 25, 2005 12:35:11am

Don't blame the FBI, or DHS, as a whole. Blame our leaders. There are many men and women who try to do the right thing, and have a difficult time swimming upstream through a red-taped PC river. It is new info Atta was on James Woods' plane, (IIRC) I saw the interview years ago on O'Reilly. It is a tragedy they didn't follow up with him before 9/11. Intuition is underrated. Contrary to my often conflicted mind, my gut isn't PC, and it's not afraid of embarrassment.

88 RickZ  Mon, Apr 25, 2005 2:19:39am

The series of articles by Jacobsen only goes to show that in way too many ways, we still act like sheep. From the passengers sitting timidly, while being intimidated and having a very real threat applied, to our own government agencies and civilian enterprise, the events behind the series of articles escapes, or is hidden from, the populace. The terrorist jihadis we fight attacked the World Trade Center in 1993. They took eight years to do the job right. They've shown us they can wait, and plot, for years for that is the whole problem with islamic fanaticism: Being a terrorist is a full time job with lots of opportunity to travel. It is only a matter of time before we slip even more comfortably back into our blissful ignorance, allowing the erosion of time on our memories, dutifully helped by the mass news media, to hobble us from responding as we should to events where Time is the friend of our enemy, while being our Achilles' Heel.

# 5 CrimsonFisted:

She might have taken hits from the press but not from the unwashed masses of which I am a card carrying member. Who cares what "the press" has to say?

From one of the great unwashed, that was well said. However, our terms for conducting this first truly amorphous war without borders are created from the spin and whitewash of the media. Out of sight, out of mind. And it works. While our enemies continue to plot, taking their time.

# 15 Brenda:

Thirteen illegal aliens from a terror-supporting country were allowed to fly on American domestic flight. Instead, they should have been deported ASAP, with no further questions. This is Norm Mineta's fault, and he should be fired yesterday.

Amen, sister.

89 kafir  Mon, Apr 25, 2005 3:17:24am

#83 ibu guru

This is the same government that does not want to use jews to decipher the arabic flowing out of the mouths of our "fellow citizens" or the intercepts we get. Don't quite get the rationale behind that one. It seems that the arabs always tell the truth when translating and classifying documents and intercepts. Anyone else think this is horribly broken? Who could trust your translation if it is your cousin under suspicion? Especially in a tribal society? Or even worse, if your religion specifically enjoins you from telling the truth to infidels, which your host or adoptive society has as its majority?

#85 nichtdhimmi

I am not racist or anti-arab. We have friends whom are arabic christians whom we have no trouble with trusting our children with. Their ethnicity/origins do not factor in this at all. Nor do the ethnicity/origins of our other friends factor into our views.

What does factor into our views is that none of our friends wants to be a "martyr". I think the appropriate term is mass-homicide terrorist, and not "suicide", as the latter is not their intention, but the former is. The folks we oppose want to be the former. And there is no easy way to distinguish between them. It is not tatooed on their foreheads. Unless there is ample evidence that they are not terrorists (individually), they need to be ready to prove to us that they are not.

In 1938 in Germany, significant fears about the jewish subpopulation were raised. The Nazis were trying their best to demonize them. They succeeded. The Nazi's set fire to the Reichstag, and they blamed the jews. Crystalnacht and far worse happened thereafter. Jews were demonized, and a significant effort was made to destroy them. It took the moral outrage by the world to help the jews stop the next holocaust in its tracks by providing them what they so badly needed, the opportunity to defend themselves against their enemies, and a place to go should a host society become insane yet again.

Today, the arabic/islamist groups are raising significant fears about the jewish subpopulation in their neighborhood. The islamofascisti are trying to demonize the jews and Israel, and have to a large extent, succeeded in Europe. Look at the AUT vote. The islamofascisti flew planes into WTC and the pentagon. Read their papers, they are blaming the jews.

The difference is that there is "peace" and no holocaust. This is in large part due to superior firepower of the jews. Give the islamofascisti any sort of firepower, and they will use it. They do not understand the concept of deterrant effect of such weaponry, they only seem to recognize that their wounds are painful.

Again, until I know for a fact that the folks doing the security screening at the airports are not infact in collusion with, agreement with, in support of the islamofascistis, I will prefer to drive.

90 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 25, 2005 3:32:57am

They said they were a wedding band

I would have demanded that they play Hava Nagila, the Chicken Dance, and a Tarantella.
If they couldn't do it...KaBOOM!

91 Dean Douthat  Mon, Apr 25, 2005 4:09:44am

BabbaZee:

I would have demanded that they play Hava Nagila, the Chicken Dance, and a Tarantella...

Oddly enough, they had no instruments so your demand could not have been met.

92 BabbaZee  Mon, Apr 25, 2005 4:17:49am

#91 Dean Douthat
I know. KABOOM!

93 grayp  Mon, Apr 25, 2005 4:43:29am

I wish the Feds would pay attention to the Saudis next door. Tin foil on the windows, tinted-window limos hidden in the garage at 3 in the morning, men dressed in black burkhas. AAARRRGGHHH!

94 PatriotLizardoid  Mon, Apr 25, 2005 4:53:15am

If my husband were on that flight those guys would be blowing their tongues out their noses. Seriously, the TSA and FAA and all the useless beaurocrat agencies can stick their thumbs up their asses and these guys can do dry runs all they want. Fact of the matter is, if any of them try any of that shit they tried on 9/11 they're going to get the sh*t beat out of them by some 'glad to do it' American men (and women).

95 Sol Roth  Mon, Apr 25, 2005 5:17:30am
As they stood to leave, one of the agents shook my hand and said, "Thank you for writing those articles." The most senior agent asked if he could touch my very pregnant belly. Then he said, "As a fellow American I can say you did your duty." A third agent borrowed a line from my original article: "If 19 terrorists can learn to fly airplanes into buildings, couldn't 13 terrorists learn to play instruments?"

Fedlove has always emphasized style over substance since its constituency (LLL) never looks beyond the manipulative surface of any issue. All it has to do is control the minds of moonbats with PC.

Why did DHS not require this journalist to sign a confidentiality agreement or at least keep her mouth closed until this herd of terrorists were rounded up?

96 Earl  Mon, Apr 25, 2005 6:03:01am

#19 luigi

You're enraged by petrol prices? Then follow my earlier advice:

Starve a saudi. Drive an Echo

(aka the Toyota 'Yaris' in Yurp)

97 MamaAJ  Mon, Apr 25, 2005 6:24:04am

I'm as suspicious as the next LGF reader, but there are some things about this that make me wonder if there really was anything going on on this flight. It absolutely should be investigated, of course' I'm not trying to say it's no biggie. I just keep looking for hard facts and finding questions.

Maybe it's just her writing style. I could have had a perfectly nice day without knowing the agents liked her garden and rubbed her belly. She seems to think it's a compliment that they interviewed her last...I don't think I'd assume that!

Why did they tell her (a journalist, duh) about Atta?

Why did they ask a lot about her inutiution? Or were they trying to find facts that lead to her feelings and she just didn't get that.

Another passenger didn't see instruments. Uh, so one person didn't see them and that proves what? That they didn't take them on the plane? Maybe, maybe not. That they weren't musicians? No. Come on, show me actual facts, not that "Joe didn't see nothin."

If this is the state of the investigation, I don't know that we'll ever know what happened.

98 wannabe  Mon, Apr 25, 2005 7:52:03am

Re the James Woods story

first of all, yes it is an old story but this is the first time anyone has confirmed that Atta was one of the guys Woods saw, that's the new part of the story

and it would make sense because it was the exact same flight Atta hijacked only it was one week before 9-11, not one month

more interestingly, Woods actually brought the strange behaviour of these guys to one of the flight attendant's attention who just shrugged - they would whisper to each other, when they spoke at all, they were sitting together, two and two, they would not sleep, or read or take any food or drink and they looked as if they were casing the place out...

he also reported it upon landing, they took his report and shrugged

of course when 9-11 happened precisely a week later, he called the FBI who did take his report seriously then...

99 wannabe  Mon, Apr 25, 2005 7:56:13am

well after reading the posts of Arabs at another forum who were on purpose behaving in a way to freak out the passengers just for fun, you wonder

but the reality is the story about the 327 flight brought to light the fact that 13 Syrian men were in the US without proper documents, again, though it pales in comparison with the porous Southern border

Atta himself had an expired visa, and yet no one picked it up, even when he was travelling between US and Europe for his little rendevous with Al Queda minders...

100 J.D.  Mon, Apr 25, 2005 8:00:56am

According to snopes.com, James Woods' flight was August 1, 2001.
[Link: www.snopes.com...]

101 arf  Mon, Apr 25, 2005 8:38:47am

Annie Jacobsen has a writeup in Snopes as well:

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

I'm confused...


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