When did Irene Khan become head of Amnesty International?

Yeah, I dare another country to try and kidnap the president. We'll see how long that lasts.

I suppose that this also deserves another obligatory:

"So have they called for foriegn countries to arrest Mr. Ruthless McDictator as well? Didn't think so, because they have totally whacked out standards."

One

Oh, well.

Amnesty International is an Islmamist collborationist organization under the thrall of a Pakistani nationalist president.

Just keep it coming Leftist Moonbats.

I'll answer my own question:

Irene Zubaida Khan joined Amnesty International as the organization’s seventh Secretary General in August 2001.

Aha, just before the present jihad commenced in earnest.

Taking the helm in Amnesty International as the first woman, the first Asian and the first Muslim to guide the world’s largest human rights organization, Irene brought a new perspective to the organization.

Yes, that would be a pro-jihad perspective.

[Link: web.amnesty.org...]

Since when did Sgt. Shultz get up on the ladder and proclaim such high morals ?

put him in the klink !

AI is such a joke and a horror now, I'm speechless. This is probably just more of their fund-raising campaign (they made oodles off of the Gitmo=gulag b.s.), but what does it say for all those energized wallet-wise by this lunacy?

Glenn Reynolds was so right when he said Bush's ability to drive these people insane is almost supernatural. I'm starting to think BDS will be the overriding syndrome of the first decade of the 21st century.

AI just yelled fire in a crowded theater ... where is the FBI?

I thought Irene Khan was Bangladeshi? Not that there's a huge difference between Pakistan and Bangladesh, considering they both used to be the same country, have the same religion and ethnic groups and both have a big problem with acid attacks.

I guess the difference lies in Bangladeshis being less radically Islamic. Never heard of an international terrorist from Bangladesh.

2 bbcrackmonkey

But you better hope they try it before Hillary is in the WH --- she'd tun them over for trial.

Wasn't Abu Mazen on US soil recently? If you think the people at Gitmo who used their left hand to hold the korans instead of their right hand were bad, ...

umm, forget it. Lets just hold a rock concert for the Gitmo prisoners and give all the money to Fidel Castro. He'll sort it all out later.

Amnesty International has just created a world-wide shortage of aluminum foil...

Where will I get my next foil hat if they're using it all?

From CQ:

These revelations absolutely destroy any credibility for AI as a nonpartisan, independent organization dedicated to human rights. It has sold itself out as yet another tiresome, radical Leftist screaming machine with double standards so ridiculous that their very scope amounts to self-satire. (hat tip: CQ reader Stoo Pid)

Well said. AI is becoming unhinged. Frothing at the mouth for an administration round-up. Shultz and the rest of those treasonous bastards need a one-way out of America immediately.

Palestinian Work Accident Watch

The money quote:

During more than four years of fighting with Israel, dozens of Palestinian militants have died while mishandling explosives.

In The Spectator:

...Well, then, these are diminished times for gulags. According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica, some 15 to 30 million prisoners passed through the Soviet gulags; at any one time there were around two million held; some two to three million died in the gulags because of malnutrition, typhus, overwork, or simply the whims of the camp commandant. By comparison, Guantanamo at its peak held 750 prisoners; currently there are 520; none has died in captivity, and, as I wrote here three-and-a-half years ago, it has the distinction of being ‘a camp where the medical staff outnumber the prisoners. Atrocious, eh? I bet Rose Addis is glad she didn’t get shipped there rather than the Whittington.’ Indeed, it’s the only gulag in history where the detainees leave in better health and weighing more than when they arrive. This means they’re in much better shape when they get back to killing infidels: of the more than 200 who have been released, about 5 per cent — that’s to say, 12 — have since been recaptured on the battlefield.

Calling Guantanamo a ‘gulag’ is the sort of thing you’d expect from some nutter in the comments section of a kook website. Why would an organisation in the human rights business want to trivialise the murder of millions in totalitarian death camps by comparing them with a non-death camp where you’re at risk of having the frontispiece of your book moistened by a drop of urine if the wind’s blowing in the right direction? If Gitmo’s a gulag, what words does that leave for the systemic rape being practised by the butchers of Darfur? Or is it because they’ve so exhausted the extremes of their vocabulary on Guantanamo that the world’s progressives have so little to say about real horrors like Sudan? Warming to his theme, Amnesty International USA’s executive director William Schulz then declared Donald Rumsfeld the ‘high-level architect of torture’. Asked what evidence he had for his assertion that the defence secretary had approved the use of torture at the camp, Mr Schulz said, ‘It would be fascinating to find out. I have no idea.’

Can anyone play this game? Can I declare that Mr Schulz and the Amnesty board get together every Saturday night and piss all over the Koran? I hasten to add that I’ve no idea whether that’s true, but it would be fascinating to find out. ...

Piss and wind Mark Steyn
It's all good.

It sounds like AI is threatening the President of the United States. If can be proven that these American citizens working for AI had any contact with foreign governments in a plot to kidnap the President then they should be prosecuted for treason.

Let's see...they're encouraging the unlawful arrest and detention -- kidnapping, really -- of our highest officials...there's just got to be something wrong with that!

Say, for example

18 usc 2385 - Advocating overthrow of Government

or

18 usc 2834 - Seditious Conspiracy

And anybody who tries to wrap these scum up in the First Amendment will have their head forcibly removed from their rear end and then slapped.

Are the various far-left-nutjob organizations having some sort of contest to see which one can make the most arrogantly irresponsible statements?

I saw a bumper sticker the other day. It had W pointing his finger at you and looking slightly irate, and was captioned,

PROTECTING YOUR ASS, LIKE IT OR NOT

damn right - and this is the thanks he gets.

So when is AI going to do a merger with France?

Irene Khan was born in Dhaka (now capital of Bangladesh, but then in East Pakistan) in 1957...

Khan grew up East Pakistan and in Northern Ireland where she was sent in 1973 by her family to study for her A-levels.

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

Holocaust denier agrees to divvie up booty with other terrorists

"Abu Mazen asserted in his meeting with the factions that everyone must abide by the calm," said Mashharawi, referring to Abbas by his nickname.

He said Abbas agreed to form a "high national commission" with the militants to "coordinate and consult" with the Palestinian leadership over the Israeli withdrawal.

Representatives of the militant groups confirmed they agreed to join the commission, indicating they do not trust Abbas' Palestinian Authority, known for corruption, to deal fairly with assets the Israelis are leaving behind.

He really is good at getting those truces, isn't he?

Am I the only one that's noticed that only Americans are singled out for prosecution under "intenational law"?

Every other country is treated like Otis in Mayberry.

I say we kidnap Amnesty International people, drag them off to some undisclosed location and try them in a kangaroo court that they do not recognzie as legitmate.

If it is good enough for the president, it is good enough for these jokers.

I know this will come as a shock to you guys but since 1996 Amnesty has lodged more complaint against the US than it has against North Korea and Iran combined. something along the lines of 1300 to 400 I believe.

In fact I am not sure they did much of anything on North Korea last year. They were busy with pee coming through air vents and sleep deprivation and the refusal of Gonzales to allow the folks at Gitmo athletic uniforms and other crimes against humanity.

I don't think they have ever had a problem with Putin, formerly of the KGB who is busily killing Chechens as we speak. They are very tolerant of old commies. Just look at Castro and Chavez. kissy kissy.

I think they sold out, plain and simple.

Why waste your time on real murder, mayhem genocide and torture when you lick some dictator's boots and spout anti American propaganda?

After all going after dangerous people can get you killed, attacking Bush can get you big fat donations and a Nobel.

There was a technothriller I read a couple of years ago where the plotline was that the Prez was about to be arrested at a foreign airport under just such circumstances. The patriotic pilot of a commercial jet manages to get him onboard and take off. The rest of the book involved their trying to sort out the diplomatic and legal ramifications before the fuel ran out. Or something like that.

Between that and the Spanish judge who wants to interrogate US soldiers acting under the ROE in a war zone, why the blazes would we EVER join the ICC?

Clearly its gotten so hard for moonbats to get anyone's attention these days that they are compelled to make completely assinine statements just to get people to notice them. This tantrum is a desperate plea for attention.

Amnesty International could find thousands of worse examples of prisoner abuse, inhumane punishment or squashed civil rights throughout the world, and in the ME in particular, but then that story line wouldn't promote their agenda.

After all, AI is nothing but a soapbox for preaching leftist claptrap..

#15 Intestinal Fortitude

These revelations absolutely destroy any credibility for AI as a nonpartisan, independent organization dedicated to human rights. It has sold itself out as yet another tiresome, radical Leftist screaming machine with double standards so ridiculous that their very scope amounts to self-satire. (hat tip: CQ reader Stoo Pid)

Of course it is...

AI is full of people who make no product (and false alligations is NOT a product) nor provide any service other than blow their own horns and criticize. Who else other than a LLL could make a living like that?

Poitiers-Lepanto calls for the leaders of Amnesty International to be arrested for aiding the islamofascists in the WoT.

As it famously happened to cat stevens (aka ali' the idiot).

Irene Khan of Hamasty International is the lover of Mikey Moore. She thinks she will be the next star of his future islam porno film.

Opening scene: Fat sloppy guy rips his girlfreinds tent off her head.

Islamacy international has been hijacked (like so many other formerly honorable institutions) by the hate america/islam uber alles crowd, they have no credibility left and like the democrats seem destined for irrelavancy

Poitiers-Lepanto calls for the leaders of Amnesty International to be arrested for aiding the islamofascists in the WoT.

I'll second that. And let's make sure that when they are arrested, they are afforded the same rights and priviledges as Saddams prisoners were.

GITMO is MUCH too good for their ilk.

Looks like AI Secretary General Irene Khan is neutral regarding the removal of the butcher, Saddam. Here is about the harshest thing I could find her saying:

The focus has to come back on human rights – so it is not whether it was good or bad to remove Saddam Hussein; he was a dictator, he was an abuser of human rights. The question is what is going to happen to the human rights of the Iraqi people now...

So she is non-judgemental about whether Saddam should have been removed, but Bush is hitler and needs to go ASAP.

She is a Muslim who is silent about the human rights abuses taking place among the ummah. I have a great deal more respect for the contribution of Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

Typical moonbat drivel...

If the leftest loonies were prosecutors, they would be the worst prosecutors in the World.

Yes, we'll shoot our mouths off all day long about how Bush, Rumsfeld, et. al did this and did that.

Alright Mo-Fo! Let's do it! I'm begging you! I kinda want to see it for myself. If you can get a court to convict anybody for anything with all the tons of "evidence" you have I will be personally be rooting for you.

If not, close your latte hole and STFU!

Yes, Michael Moore had tons of evidence. Enough to make a two hour award-winning movie. Well?

Your shit is weak.

Schulz is such a tool!

Besides, european leaders are afraid of their own shadows, can you imagine the panic this idiotic statement sends to schroeder or chirac, its comical, in a train wreck sort of way

Cram-nasty International
Sham-nasty International
Spam-nasty International
Scam-nasty International

“If those investigations support prosecution, the governments should arrest any official who enters their territory and begin legal proceedings against them,” he added. “The apparent high-level architects of torture should think twice before planning their next vacation to places like Acapulco or the French Riviera because they may find themselves under arrest as Augusto Pinochet famously did in London in 1998.”

Oh God, I hope those Europe assholes do try it. They will get blown to hell before you can say invisible bomber.

These bozos really are nuckin futz

#32 Intestinal Fortitude

And, BTW, does anyone know if AI ever asked for an international warrant against SADDAM ?

#25 corrie

the diplomatic and legal ramifications

"Attempt to kidnap the President, eh? Here is our opening diplomatic statement."

Amnesty International seems to have forgotten to look for real abuses. I suppose they're too busy America-bashing to notice North Korea, the slave trade in Africa, or other real obscenities around the world. I don't suppose they've noticed that free nations are better places to live in than totalitarian ones. This organization is worthless.

Here's an organization that is actually doing something worthwhile: [Link: www.sharedhope.org...]

Hey! - Look over here! - Look at us!
We're relevant and concerned!

/AI grasping for attention mode off

#39 Babba Zee

Nuke the nucking futs !

/I am NOT trying to compete with Mrs. ThunderWord... :-)

Why do we even pay any attention to these moonbats?

Since they crave it and they are irrelevant,it would be better to just ignore them.

History has proven that when an attention grabbing moonbat gets no attention they implode.

#24 Better yet send sgt shulz and khanny to a REAL gulag, there are still some around, hmm where are they? north korea, no that wasnt it, china?, nope, thats right the 4th reich the USA. I wish just once they would realize, if it wasnt for th U.S. they would all be dead or worse

BTW, Fallaci, who is being charged with defaming Islam [horror] in Italy said that two million girls died each year due to sepsis or blood loss following ritual genital mutilation.

Maybe Ms Kahn is one of the survivors, but is just really frustrated and pissed off all the time.

I wonder if she is any relation to Dr. Kahn, the man who sold nuclear technology to the highest bidder? Maybe they share donor lists.

#44 Poitiers-Lepanto
;~P

24 Terrye

I think they sold out, plain and simple.

Why waste your time on real murder, mayhem genocide and torture when you lick some dictator's boots and spout anti American propaganda?

After all going after dangerous people can get you killed, attacking Bush can get you big fat donations and a Nobel.

You nailed it. Who are the biggest contributors to Amnesty International? I'd bet it is the leftists; Conservatives are busy contributing to their churches and the Boy Scouts. AI is throwing a bone to their biggest contributors to gin up more coinage. Follow the money.

#40 P-L

Not for sure BUT, Saddam's trial better be fair.

First, it was the "gulags," now AI wants Bush arrested and tried for "crimes against humanity."

How soon before they start pleading for the world to invade the US in order to effect a regime change?

“If the U.S. government continues to shirk its responsibility, Amnesty International calls on foreign governments to uphold their obligations under international law by investigating all senior U.S. officials involved in the torture scandal,” Schulz said.

Yes, great idea. I think we should use the current and past membership of the UN Commission on Human Rights to pass judgment on the US for violations of terrorists rights. You know, such enlightened societies and paragons of virtue as Egypt, Zimbabwe, Qatar, Indonesia, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, and China that currently serve on this sham commission.

AI should put their recommendations where they will do them the most good.

#8 earth56

Mt. Dew just came out of my nose, but it was totally worth it.

#52 I-F

Oh boy.
The guardian angels of Saddam.
Oh boy.

There is a difference between "arrest," used in most of the post, and "kidnapping," apparently used by "Captain Ed." They are not the same.

But whether it is an arrest or a kidnapping, it's a ridiculous proposal, and makes Amnesty International look like a bunch of dangerous clowns.

George Bush is not my favorite President, but he's no Agusto Pinochet.

Hey! Fidel Castro, Kim Jong-Il, and Robert Mugabe, what the hell are you guys laughing at?

#59 Spiny Norman

They're probably the ones donating to Amnesty International.

Here's a perfect example of why AI does not deserve credibility. At their website, there is a link for a special section about stopping violence against women. And there is a drop-down menu with reports from Countries all over the world on this subject. Except of course any Islamic states (other than Turkey). Nothing to see there.

They try to paint violence against women as gun availability issue, and try to get you to sign a petition saying so. Of course theres no mention of barbaric social norms or the cultural enslavement of women in Islam. That might be hurtful to a sensitive jihadi somewhere.

Self-rightiousness is like cheap makeup
The thicker you lay it on the uglier you look

/reminder to Ms. Khan and Mr. Schulz

“If the United States permits the architects of torture policy to get off scot-free..."

But we didn't; Saddam is going on trial soon. That is what you meant, right, Sgt. Schulz?

...other nations should step into the breach...

Other nations are the breach, you disgusting fool. America acts because others are unable or too cowardly to act.

...planning their next vacation to places like Acapulco or the French Riviera...

Yeah, I'm sure Rumsfeld can't wait to get to France for his vacation.

...Amnesty International calls on foreign governments to uphold their obligations ...

...by capturing or killing all terrorists and their supporters, confiscating all terrorist funds and assets, and turning over all terrorism-related intelligence to the U.S. and/or U.K. immediately. No, just kidding!

“a genuinely independent and comprehensive investigation”

That would be one that finds Americans guilty as charged, right, Schulz, you hypocritical moisturizing metrosexual?

#25 corrie:
It's "Headwind," by former airline captain John Nance, who's written a number of good novels.

Pressed to cite concrete evidence of "systematic torture" at the prison, Mr. Schulz could produce none. He denied that the $2000 that he had contributed to Kerry's campaign had anything to do with the outrageous charges.

[Link: www.illinoisleader.com...]

The left is world wide meltdown mode. Ask Jacques Chirac.

ELLSWORTH TOOHEY LIVES!

Ha ha, I'd like to see AI try and do this! (although it would be every LLL's wettest dream come true).

OT: I got drunk one time and put a pair of panties on my head. Does that mean I tortured myself?

Terrye wrote: I say we kidnap Amnesty International people, drag them off to some undisclosed location and try them in a kangaroo court that they do not recognzie as legitmate.
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In fact I am not sure they did much of anything on North Korea last year.

In fact, that's likely why the AI cowards won't criticize North Korea. They would "drag them off..."

NROnline today discusses the real “Gulag of our time” in North Korea;

Got Gulag? [North Korea does.]

Unfortunately there is not as much widely known about the Kwan-li-co. Amnesty’s 2005 country report on North Korea does not go into the camp system, though it does highlight some of the other human rights abuses visited on North Korean citizens — denial of free expression, starvation, torture, extrajudicial executions, and trafficking in women. The non-government U.S. Committee for Human Rights in North Korea has put together a comprehensive review entitled “The Hidden Gulag: Exposing North Korea’s Prison Camps,” comprised mainly of testimony from former inmates who escaped the camp system, along with satellite photos of the reputed camps. The Democracy Network against North Korean Gulag is an émigré organization dedicated to — well, the name says it all. Another good source is The Aquariums of Pyongyang: Ten Years in the North Korean Gulag by Kang Chol-Hwan. Kang was imprisoned at age nine with his family and after his release a decade later escaped to South Korea. President Bush reportedly has recently been reading the book, recommended by a Christian missionary who has been making Bible runs inside North Korea.
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Read some of these accounts and compare. To the average North Korean prisoner, Guantanamo, with its wholesome food, hygienic sanitation, medical care, regular religious services, fresh clothes, forgiving climate, trained personnel, and periodic Red Cross visits would be an astonishing land of plenty. The same goes for the average North Korean citizen.

Don't hold your breath waiting for Irene Khan to call for arrest of the monster, Kim Jong-il.

amnesty international's Call for US Leaders to be Arrested

One question for amnesty international;

"You've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?"

"Dirty" Harry Callahan

66 Apu Pibat

I got drunk one time and put a pair of panties on my head. Does that mean I tortured myself?

Depends...?

The only thing more projectile vomit inducing was this clown's performance on CSPAN...will try to find link so we can hurl in syncronicity (like those fabi Olympic Swimmers!)

ah... a new Olympic sport to be played at the 2008 games in Paris *spit*

Any AI members who agree with this policy that happen to be American citizens should be arrested and charged with treason and sedition.

#11 bbcrack

Difference is, every few years or so, a cyclone hits Bangladesh, sinking overcrowded ferries and washing away chunks of that shithole sandbar 'country', killing untold tens of thousands. Think of an islamic Netherlands, but without the Dutch to run it. Pakistan only gets the odd earthquake or mudslide.

Plus, Henry Kissinger never called Pakistan "an international basket case".

#63 Belize042

But we didn't; Saddam is going on trial soon. That is what you meant, right, Sgt. Schulz?

I can't wait to see how the morally superior Amnasty will groan and complain when the Iraqis sentence Saddam to death. It'll be a hoot.

Amnesty International...recently called for foreign governments to arrest the President of the US, Donald Rumsfeld, and other top officials, and prosecute them for war crimes in the International Criminal Court

As the world descends into chaos this will intensify. The barbarians are at the gate and there is a substantial 5th column inside the gates. Nothing will assuage their bloodthirst but the destruction of the west.

We in the west, on the other hand, have no chance for survival but the destruction of the barbarians. This is a time for walking softly and carrying a big stick, then using the stick when the time is right. Measured responses like the Iraqi invasion only increase the seething and raging of the barbarians.

It will be better for our national unity if the mass of the American people, at least those who are not part of the 5th column, believe we did everything possible to avoid the destruction when we finally commence.

#65 Atlas-
I'm almost half way through the book. Very good. this Toohey guy is turning out to be a real Socialist. I can almost guess where things are going to end up. I just wish I had more time to read!

#70 mich-again

66 Apu Pibat

I got drunk one time and put a pair of panties on my head. Does that mean I tortured myself?
Depends...?

If it was 'Depends', then it was definitely torture.
:-P

An AI accusation is like a bonfire
It starts out real dramatic but ends up being nothing

I read somewhere that Shultz was down in Mexico, doing some donkey, when Irene Khan came in and the donkey started doing her.

It really was a good article. I felt a little sorry for the donkey though.

While AI frets over panties on heads, the real Gulag has this to say;

N Korea 'is building more bombs'

North Korea is boosting its arsenal of nuclear weapons, the communist state's Vice-Foreign Minister, Kim Gye-gwan, has told the US ABC News network.

He said North Korea had enough atomic bombs to protect itself against attack by the US and was building more.

#79 jamgarr

In the words of the bard, AI's accusation/"call to action" is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Everything they've said from "gulags" on has been mostly for the listening pleasure of their LLL audience. Everyone else has concluded that the inmates are now running the asylum and tuned them out.

So--what do we know? We know Schultz gives money to American liberal politicians. We know he will make wild accusations against America with no proof. We know he then will back off said allegations once he is cornered and challenged. That begs the question. Is this nothing more than a pledge drive aimed at deep pocketed anti-American donors?

Does Amnesty International need cash?

[Link: www.nationalledger.com...]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I would wholeheartedly support declaring war on any country that made the arrogant and unfortunate mistake of arresting anyone in our administration on absurd charges such as this.

I did call PETA about Shultz and Khan doing this donkey, but they didn't seem interested, they said Shultz and Khan weren't considered animals, so they didn't want to get involved.

I couldn't help from laughing , so I hung up.

#83 Target

What you said

My third plug today for Mark Steyn:

If Gitmo’s a gulag, what words does that leave for the systemic rape being practised by the butchers of Darfur? Or is it because they’ve so exhausted the extremes of their vocabulary on Guantanamo that the world’s progressives have so little to say about real horrors like Sudan? Warming to his theme, Amnesty International USA’s executive director William Schulz then declared Donald Rumsfeld the ‘high-level architect of torture’. Asked what evidence he had for his assertion that the defence secretary had approved the use of torture at the camp, Mr Schulz said, ‘It would be fascinating to find out. I have no idea.’

Can anyone play this game? Can I declare that Mr Schulz and the Amnesty board get together every Saturday night and piss all over the Koran? I hasten to add that I’ve no idea whether that’s true, but it would be fascinating to find out.

Let's see...AI suggests the arrest, detention, investigation, and (presumably) conviction of virtually the entire top tier of the executive branch, including the Pres. and Veep. AI suggests that officials should be careful where they go...then explicitly calls on C. Rice to go to Darfur (I doubt there are any direct flights, so where else would she need to travel to reach this destination?). I'm assuming that neither the President nor his peeps would voluntarily give up to a group of gendarmes, so this would wind up being by "force".

I think 18 U.S.C. Section 2385 has something to say about this:

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

From Andrew Sullivan:

I don't believe the military's account of how a Koran got splattered by a guard's urine. The reason is not that I have completely lost trust in the military's credibility (although I have a lot less faith than I did a couple of years ago, and that goes for Pat Tilman's parents as well). It's that the story, in its face, seems like something obviously made up. We are supposed to believe that a guard was relieving himself outside near the open window of a cell. His pee was allegedly carried by a gust of wind, which somehow managed to guide the pee around and into an open window, where the Koran and a detainee were unfortunately placed. I mean: come off it. They have no latrines? There are ground-level open windows for prisoners? Our military is so high-tech that their pee can now turn corners? Maybe someone out there can help me understand this story better. Have I missed something? Or is this as laughable on its face as it appears to be?

Sounds like sedition to me!

#73 - Maybe Bangladesh is becoming Islamicized or something. That would be too bad. I remember about a decade ago when we had massive floods in the Midwest, Bangladeshis actually sent us some aid to thank us for the times in the past where we helped them out after their massive floods.

does anyone else smell that?

#91 Gordon (again, I don't know why I bother):

Just how concerned are you about pee-pee on the Koran?

Does it bother you at all that the media, in picking headlines to describe this report (whether you believe it or not), blared "PENTAGON CONFIRMS URINE SPLASHED ON KORAN" or '...GUARDS ABUSED KORAN" all over their front pages?

Oh, and by the way, why are you posting this here?

Funny how I don't recall the politically correct students of Amnesty International calling for the arrests of Robert Mugabe, the mad mullahs of Iran like Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Kim Jong-Il the Stalinist nutter of North Korea, the Sudanese leadership, Saddam Hussein in his prime, or the instigators of the Tiananmen Square massacre 16 years ago. I wonder why.

77 knotboy

I just wish I had more time to read!

don't we all...

Somebody in some 'Freedom' type organization started proceedings against CBS for conspiring with the DNC to influence an election. I think it went nowhere. It was some kind of law suit.

What happenned to that one before we talk about prosecution of this group for sedition.

#91 Gordon
So what if it got splattered with piss? I cant belive that this is even news. Better yet, what the hell are they doing with a koran at all? Lucky to have the thing period. During WW2 should we have handled Mein Kompf with white gloves and reverence? No special islamic meals either. Pork chops and malt liquor for dinner.

77 knotboy
Ellsorth Toohey
The villain of the novel, and Roark’s antithesis—a man with a lust for power but no talent. Since his boyhood, Toohey has despised the achievements of others, and he dedicates himself to squelching other people’s talents and ambitions. He is a small and fragile-looking man, but his persuasive voice and knack for manipulation make him a formidable opponent. He encourages selflessness and altruism to coax others into submission. His philosophy is a blend of religion, Fascism and Socialism, and he at times resembles the Russian dictator Joseph Stalin
(spark notes)

#100 Good point. These guys are lobbing off heads and blowing up children and gordo is worried about pee on the koran.

#61 Mich-Again

Who needs some stupid write-up about Saudi violence against women? They've got a page on Canada! That's hard-hitting, pull-no-punches investigation for you!

To be fair, they must've spent hours researching their statistics at their local web-friendly coffee shop, and it's just impossible to pull up any good information about Muslim misogyny on the internets.

nodroG is still posting that Andrew Sullivan crap?

#101 And I thought Peter K. was going to be the villain throughout the novel.

The history of the concentration camps is surveyed in Joel Kotek and Pierre Rigoulot's "Le siecle des camps: Detention, concentration, extermination; Cent ans de mal radical," on which Applebaum relies. She also draws on numerous studies about the concentration camps established in Russia in 1918 at Trotsky and Lenin's initiatives. The camps were then viewed as a temporary measure. The creation of a just socialist regime was supposed to eliminate the conditions that led to crime, and with them the need for penitentiaries. This belief, another cause for bitter laughter, impeded the building of new prisons; instead, "enemies of the people" and suspects arrested in great numbers were placed in temporary facilities. This solution ("humane" in comparison to swift executions, also fashionable at the time) was relatively cheap, a fact that caused it, paradoxically, to spread and endure, continuing to exist even today in countries such as North Korea and China.

The camps served several purposes. The goal of the political police was to have suspected opponents of the regime isolated or vindictively punished, whereas the people's commissariat of justice sought to reeducate prisoners through labor. All the parties involved wanted the camps to be run as economically self-supporting enterprises, getting maximum yield at a minimal investment. During years when food was scarce throughout Russia, this minimum became a death sentence.

The number of prisoners grew steadily, reaching millions by the late 1930s. They were put to work creating infrastructure in areas where survival was difficult, building roads, factories and entire cities, cutting timber in the forests of the north, working in mines, in agriculture and in industry. Marxist political economy recognizes that slave labor is ineffective due to the lack of incentive - but Stalin's henchmen created an incentive: they tied the size of the prisoners' food rations to their labor output. Those who met the "quotas" got more to eat, those who did not, got less. The system was gradually refined, so that eventually the ration scale came to include 17 different norms of nutrition - without, of course, taking into account the systematic theft of food supplies on the way to the mess.

Varlam Shalamov (1907-1982; author of "Kolyma Tales") once said that the subject of the gulag was vast enough for 10 writers like Tolstoy and 100 writers like Solzhenitsyn. It is also vast enough for thousands of historians. The uniqueness of Applebaum's book lies in its combination of a comprehensive vision, accessible prose and a sufficiently penetrating understanding of the material. Among historians there are Holocaust deniers, and there is also a school that denies the dimensions of the Stalinist terror. The main argument of the latter concerns the numbers of people incarcerated in the gulags. After perestroika, historians first gained access to the archives of the gulag administration, and efficiently discovered documents quoting smaller numbers (for example, 2.5 million prisoners in the peak years, in contrast to the estimate of 7 million made by Robert Conquest, the classical historian of Stalinist Russia. Conquest's estimate is conservative in comparison with the insistence of many of the survivors that peak years saw about 10 million prisoners in Soviet camps).

GULAG!

If they don't want their book hit with pee, they shouldn't have splashed their blood on my soil.

I must have missed something while I was distracted by reality. What substantiated claims of torture is Amnesty International talking about?

Quoting Andrew "Identity Crisis" Sullivan? Now there's someone you can rely on... to change his mind every few days.

Why isnt AI bitching about the Islamofacist gulag prison camps in Iraq? Hmm Gordon?

Oh, thats right, terrorists dont have prison camps cause they decapatate people or blow them up first.

I can just imagine the trial.

Prosecutor: "Now, Mr. Rumsfeld isn't it true that while you were Secretary of Defense korans were abused? Wasn't it true that on at least 3 occasions you allowed korans to be touched by the bare hands of infidels? And isn't true that on at least one occasion a koran was kicked? A koran was kicked, admit it Mr. Rumsfeld? And yet you as the Secretary of Defense of the most pwerful nation on earth did nothing to stop it...

Meanwhile over a million people have starved to death in North Korea over the past decade and the world just yawns.

Next time I see an AI "URGENT ACTION" letter, I think I'll relieve myself on it.

Savage discussing this now: KSKY

As usual, MSM is right on top of the situation!

#100 Black George

During WW2 should we have handled Mein Kompf with white gloves and reverence? No special islamic meals either. Pork chops and malt liquor for dinner.

You beat me to it about the Mein Kampf distribution. I have come to believe that the koran is merely Mein Kampf in verse. Or Mein Kampf is the Cliff Notes version of the koran.

I must say that the pork chops and Colt 45 were a vary nice touch. I agree.

Good work.

#11 bbcrackmonkey:

I guess the difference lies in Bangladeshis being less radically Islamic. Never heard of an international terrorist from Bangladesh.

They're up-and-comers. Held back so far due to extreme poverty, but they're trying. Here's one example

Another thread derailed by the deranged? Feh! I have as much use for Amnesty as I do for the UN, the ROP(ma), traitorous liberals, whining Muslims, the UN, and He Who Aspires To Be Something But Is Nothing At All. A hearty hock-tooey in the direction of each.

Whoever said "follow the money"is bang on! All of these leftist organizations saw the kind of money the Move On.org retards raised and now they what a piece of that lucrative pie.
Look at The Sea Sheppard Society for one. We barely heard a peep out of them for 10+ years regarding the Canadian seal hunt. Suddenly, this year they are all over the media wining about the poor seals. They need cash plain and simple before some other fuzzy animal advocacy group scoops them.
My take is that the boards of all these leftist groups are now approaching retirement and want a golden parachute so they can sit back and maybe write a book or hit the lecture circuit. Their retiring cohorts in academia have taxpayer funded pension plans and 401k's and these "charitable" orgs want the same.
The org that screams the loudest or comes up with the most outrageous claims will increase their contributions. This is what we are witnessing now.

once again it's clearly demonstrated how polyana the world is to these clueless, over-educated denizens of ivory towers who formulate utopian concepts/ideals which have as much liklihood of succeding in the real world as do making the l.a. lakers starting five next season.

sure, guy, the french are gonna place rummy under arrest (should he be misguided enough to want to vacation in that smelly land)...right about the same time howard dean gets elected president, mister shultz. makes for a good soundbite & cocktail conversation on the upper west side of manhattan but very little else.

Every time I start to think that the center of gravity here at LGF is getting too extreme (e.g. "liberals are traitors"), the left goes and does its very best to prove me wrong.

#123 Gabba Gabba Hey:

Another thread derailed by the deranged? Feh!

I get it now! AI is a troll organization: dropping turds and stirring them around. Henceforth I will GAZE in their direction.

They (LLL) will keep pushing till we HAVE to arrest some of them,it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Membership in Amnesty Internation, a commitment on the road to becoming a certified lunatic.

Come on , you knew this was coming

Schulz; I see nothink, I know nothink
Khan; I have done far worse than kill you, I have hurt you and I want to go on hurting you

At least until the islamofascists come knocking on your door

#85 LemonJoose

I don't know about the rest of you, but I would wholeheartedly support declaring war on any country that made the arrogant and unfortunate mistake of arresting anyone in our administration on absurd charges such as this.

I second - because aresting the "arresting" the leader(ship) of any country is an act of war.

Amnesty International's Call for US Leaders to be Arrested

Since Charles sees no reason to ban gentle Karmic SLAUGHTERER Karmi from LGF, i, KårmiÇømmünîs&dagge r;, shall feel free to speak both Dualistically and Non-Dualistically from now on, and in Dualistic fact may repeat my fleshly being several times this evening...so to speak.

Angela Kasner was not raised under such freedom as Karmic SLAUGHTERER gentle hermit me was, but she also never served any Dualistic time in an American Prison. When she finally 'rebelled', the Communists in East Germany simply took away her right to ever work there again. i went out and did drugs...and, pulled robberies when i finally decided to rebel. Angela Kasner basically just thought about "Individualism".

“Anyone who really has something to say doesn't need make-up.” - Angela Merkel

KårmiÇømmünîs&dagge r;
Karmic SLAUGHTERER

#126 Occasional Reader

Welcome to sanity!

We can be extreme at time in our comments, but I think most LGF'ers can determine the "heat of the moment" postings vs reason/perspective.

The DU and Kos cannot. Everything is over-the-top hyperbole. Now we see Amnesty International, the ICRC etc. losing all sense of reason and perspective as well.

The left has no moral compass and that's why we're seeing them drift more and more into absurdity.

Amnesty International is in danger of being perceived as more concerned about panties and books than it is people. If they want to blather on about interrogation techniques or the suitability of the Koran for purposes other than reading, that's fine. But they shouldn't act surprised when the only people left paying attention are lefty fellow travelers who think that Lenin was a quitter. AI is just playing to their base, for reasons less than admirable. Let's face it: there are more people in this world disposed against the United States than care about what the North Koreans do to some poet.

And note to AI:
The greatest protection against real torture in this world is the civilized sensibilities of nations like the United States, not engagement with tyrants or grand-standing press releases directed at credulous fools.

In my opinion.

I wish...
___
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, D.C.,20016

Dear Concerned Citizen:

Thank you for your recent letter roundly criticizing our treatment of the Taliban and Al Qaeda detainees currently being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Our administration takes these matters seriously, and your opinion was heard loud and clear here in Washington. You'll be pleased to learn that, thanks to the concerns of citizens like you, we are creating a new division of the Terrorist Retraining Program, to be called the "Liberals Accept Responsibility for Killers" program, or LARK for short. In accordance with the guidelines of this new program, we have decided to place one terrorist under your personal care.

Your personal detainee has been selected and scheduled for transportation under heavily armed guard to your residence next Monday.

Ali Mohammed Ahmed bin Mahmud (you can just call him Ahmed) is to be cared for pursuant to the standards you personally demanded in your letter of admonishment. It will likely be necessary for you to hire some assistant caretakers.

We will conduct weekly inspections to ensure that your standards of care for Ahmed are commensurate with those you so strongly recommended in your letter.

Although Ahmed is sociopathic and extremely violent, we hope that your sensitivity to what you described as his "attitudinal problem" will help him overcome these character flaws.

Perhaps you are correct in describing these problems as mere cultural differences. He will bite you, given the chance. We understand that you plan to offer counselling and home schooling. Your adopted terrorist is extremely proficient in hand-to-hand combat and can extinguish human life with such simple items as a pencil or nail clippers. We do not suggest that you ask him to demonstrate these skills at your next yoga group. He is also expert at making a wide variety of explosive devices from common household products, so you may wish to keep those items locked up, unless (in your opinion) this might offend him.

Ahmed will not wish to interact with your wife or daughters (except sexually) since he views females as a subhuman form of property. This is a particularly sensitive subject for him, and he has been known to show violent tendencies around women who fail to comply with the new dress code that Ahmed will recommend as more appropriate attire. I'm sure they will come to enjoy the anonymity offered by the bhurka - over time. Just remind them that it is all part of "respecting his culture and his religious beliefs" - wasn't that how you put it?

Thanks again for your letter. We truly appreciate it when folks like you, who know so much, keep us informed of the proper way to do our job. You take good care of Ahmed - and remember...we'll be watching. Good luck!

Cordially,

Donald Rumsfeld

AI is really stupid. Why don't they call for the arrest of jihad supporting dictators? Because they are too chickenshit.

Gordon @ 91

The reason is not that I have completely lost trust in the military's credibility

Sadly, I have lost all trust in Andrew Sullivan's credibility...

61 mich-again

Here's a perfect example of why AI does not deserve credibility. At their website, there is a link for a special section about stopping violence against women. And there is a drop-down menu with reports from Countries all over the world on this subject. Except of course any Islamic states (other than Turkey). Nothing to see there.

They try to paint violence against women as gun availability issue, and try to get you to sign a petition saying so. Of course theres no mention of barbaric social norms or the cultural enslavement of women in Islam. That might be hurtful to a sensitive jihadi somewhere.

Excellent sleuthing to uncover such disgusting hypocrisy.

Of course criticizing islamic misogyny can get one killed. As a muslim, AI Secretary General Irene Khan, knows intimately about all the abuse women suffer under theological tyrants of the ummah. No doubt this coward also knows the penalty for criticizing such barbaric islamic practices. Ripping Bush over Guantanamo is much safer and generates much larger contributions from looney leftists who adore the green ghouls.

Meanwhile, her own sisters silently suffer...

Orson @ 136

Hey Orson...

So when will the Amnesty International Police come and arrest our President?

so THIS is where all'y'all are hiding...

Woo Hoo to LGF for scooping everyone.

Boo Hoo to Amnesty International for what they said.

Didn't AI start in "Great Britain" ? why isn't Blair doing something about this stupidity? I thought he was our friend?

Or is he becoming a 'friend' in the way the king of Saudi Arabia is our 'friend' and the head of syria is our 'friend' and the head of Turkey is our 'friend' . . .

Glenn Reynolds was so right when he said Bush's ability to drive these people insane is almost supernatural. I'm starting to think BDS will be the overriding syndrome of the first decade of the 21st century.

At this point we need more help from the top than we're getting. I just wish W wasn't so tounge tied and was able to fight his battled better or at least put up people who could fight then for him.

Our side is in the right. We are in the right morally and politically. He have the high ground. Yet these pests (like Galloway) speak the most outrageous lies and the most outrageous insults and nobody except us in the blogosphere call them out. I wish W had the eleguence of some earlier presidents.

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but our leaders have diplomatic immunity. If ANY country tries to kidnap/harm them in any way, God help them.

#139 Bubble Girl

I think they should wait until they grow a pair of balls.

BTW, I'm at work using a MAC, believe it or not. Wondering the easiest way to do a copy and paste.

I'm a total newb with a MAC.

#142 rightymouse

If they come for the President... he can hide out at my place... we have a guest bedroom, and by that time, I'll have my rifle.. and my shotgun. (unlike Kerry, I believe the President can handle a firearm correctly.)

It's hot and humid here. The public schools in the city got out early. Everything I've done today has been hard and complicated. I have no patience.

Sit on it and rotate, Amnesty International.

/not in a diplomatic mood.

#143 orson Buggy

Step 1:

write down all the information you want to paste, and all the information you're trying to paste into.

Step 2:

Stop using the Mac and find something else.

(this makes up for all the IBM compatible bashing from a few days ago ;-) )

#137 Bubble Girl

Hear, hear! Sully lost all perspective about a year ago or so. I gave up reading his blog.

I was called away before I could finish my though about W standing up to these ridiculous critics. When you read the blogosphere (Coulter, Malkin, Charles, etc) they absolutely take these AI types apart. The demolish them. How sweet it would be to see that at presidential news conferences like Kennedy could or in other venues like Thatcher could.

We have the moral high ground.

#134 z9z99

And note to AI:
The greatest protection against real torture in this world is the civilized sensibilities of nations like the United States, not engagement with tyrants or grand-standing press releases directed at credulous fools.

In my opinion.

Seconded.

91 Gordon
Book abuse. yaaawn. Really, before this trifle of a story when did the Left give the slightest concern to proper respect toward religous symbols? Funny, I don't remember the "Piss-Christ" piece of art invoking anger and hand-wringing from the LWNJ's.

If the Left applied the same reason and arguments to the Islamists that they use debating Christian conservatives, they might garner some respect from me. But the left is far too pussified to ridicule Islamists for their "ooga-booga" superstition / religion.

#138 Freedom Fan

Agreed.

I tried in vain to find any substantive commentary about the atrocious abuses towards Muslim women in the AI report. Khan is a fake. She's no better than any of our supposed feminists at NOW. But worse, go look at the drivel regarding NK, Darfur, Iran, Cuba, Zimbabwe etc.

#144 lancekates

Bush is always welcome to stay with us too. And the bastards better not dare come into our neck of the boonies.

But they're talking about grabbing him and our other senior leaders in Europe. AI is located in London. Blair needs to come out with strong condemnation.

And is the US gonna "fold" on this? By Folding I mean..apologize for..or just happen to close up the facility for some real so called "reason" OR the ever popular: it was always gonna close it down..ie Its Old News...

And what would that indicate? What "message" would that send to Islam and to China who is watching our behavior and taking notes?

#58 Gordon

George Bush is not my favorite President, but he's no Agusto Pinochet.

Who is your favorite president? 'Course you leftists have so many from which to choose. Le'ssee, Slick Willie- no morals or integrity, solicits campaign contributions from China; Dhimmi Carter- fights wabbits, coddles khomeini, moans about malaise; LBJ- got us into the Vietnam war and launched us onto a hyper-inflation spiral; Kennedy- Bay of Pigs, Marilyn Monroe.

Maybe Truman? You really have to go back a long way to when dhimmicrats were actually conservative.

Hillary will do swell, though. Just hope she nationalizes my industry last.

Anne Applebaum, identified as a Washington Post writer, has a commentary piece in the Wall Street Journal today, entitled

“Anmesty’s Amnesia" (subscription required) in which she takes Amnesty International to task for becoming a politically driven, anti-American organization.

At one point (not her main point), she says,

Like the Cold War, the war on terrorism is an ideological war, one that we will "win" when our opponents give up and join us, like the East Germans who streamed over the Berlin Wall.

I wonder whether this is possible? I wonder whether “radical islam” can be fairly compared to Communism?

A concept of “God” and “God’s will” is an incredibly potent motivator. Communism had built into it a (possibly fatal) flaw, in that it required people with traditions of “God” to abandon them.

Is this (commonly liberal) idea — that islam is an ideology that can be overcome in the same the way Communism was (by example, diplomacy, and economic pressure) — realistic or even reasonable?

Kennedy- Bay of Pigs, Marilyn Monroe.

I'll give JFK a pass on that one.

#150 mich-again

Good point (about the left and religion, not the nodroG, although you're correct about him, too, I'm just sayin').

The left and their lawyers ridicule and work to stamp out religion, and lecture us on how the Pope must "modernize" the church. Modernize in their language means, of course, make it something Oprah and Rosie would love. But when we suggest that maybe Islam needs to rewrite its "holy" book to come out of the dark ages and stop killing "infidels," we're ethnocentric, parochial, laproscopic, or some such thing.

Since this original story appeared, I have contacted several state legislators here in Texas and advocated a comprehensive investigation of AI's funding sources, its ties to big business and international terrorism, and its priveleged position on many university campuses. The latter, in fact, provides the warrant for state jurisdiction.
I am having some success with this effort, at least in terms of getting a sympathetic hearing, but I can't promise any results just yet.
I urge all of you to push for similar investigations in your own states, on the same basis. AI has a large presence on virtually every university campus in the country, and receives partial funding, and contributions in kind (facilities etc.) from many of them. At the very least, the coercive use of student service fees to fund this enemy propaganda front should be brought to screeching halt.
As students at the University of Texas, for example, the President's twin daughters were forced to contribute to the support of an organization that advocates the imprisonment of their father on purely mercenary and political grounds.
This is a criminal enterprise, advocating war against the United States, usurping the role of duly-constituted courts, exercising unaccountable authority over the young from a privileged position, inciting violent enemies and, quite possibly, conciously taking direction from them.

Another observation: note that the superior moral authority of foreign governments over our own is taken for granted in this AI pronouncement.

#150 mich-again

Book abuse. yaaawn. Really, before this trifle of a story when did the Left give the slightest concern to proper respect toward religous symbols? Funny, I don't remember the "Piss-Christ" piece of art invoking anger and hand-wringing from the LWNJ's.

Dude, you've got quite the nose for sniffing out hypocrisy today.

How 'bout it Gordon? You liberals clamored to fund the "Piss-Christ" exhibits and "Feces-on-Virgin-Mary" "art".

Now you are really, really upset about a tiny bit of urine accidentally misting on a U.S. government-supplied quran in the hands of a prisoner who wanted you dead, just because you are an American citizen of the world.

#154 nonic

Anne Applebaum is an anomaly at WaPo (for which I am grateful). I read her extraordinary book "Gulag" - I recommend the book highly.

I also read Natan Sharansky's "A Case for Democracy" where he very clearly states that human beings, by nature, have a desire for freedom and self-determination. I happen to agree. That's one reason we have Cubans trying to float across to the U.S. in a car/boat.

Democracy is a process, not an event. But Look at the Afghanistan and Iraqi elections. People proud and happy to have self-determination. And they are Muslim.

What the world needs to do is eradicate radical Islam which has no place in civilized societies.

Gordon, Gordon, Gordon...I dont see the same amount of outrage out of you towards a goodly portion of members of Islam on the subject of: STEPPING ON, BURNING, the Star of David. The Star of David is dear to MY RELIGION (as a Jew tho I don't use Images as G-ds or G-d replacements..thats a big no no)and is on the Flag of Israel which seems to get ABUSED...DAILY in the Islamic World.

Now..lets get to the Stars and Stripes. It is the symbol of Freedom and Liberty. THAT Flag is Dear to All of us and is abused DAILY by members of Islam. (oh yes, we do have RULES about the HANDLING of the American Flag just like Islam has RULES about HANDLING of the Koran) Where is your similar OUTRAGE at that ABUSE?

More to the point: Islamic "Freedom Fighters" in Africa are moving in non Islamic Villages and Raping, and Burning their Mark on Non Islamic Women. Does THIS count as ABUSE..Near to the Abuse of the Koran? OUTRAGE ..ANY? Must has missed it huh? Slipped your mind? OR is there a ROOT CAUSE for THAT TOO?

You ALL: I say we HAVE that discussion about Abuse with Islam. Lots to talk about ..dontchathink?

Treaty...Treaties, and the U.S. Constitution.

FindLaw is a interesting site. Deals mainly with the U.S. Constitution...sorry “Old Europe”

FindLaw

Run "Treaty" and/or "Treaties" through FindLaw. The U.S. Constitution is mainly meant for American Citizens, but it also explains what making a Treaty is about...so to speak of "a compact between independent nations"...or, "Treaties as Law of the Land Treaty commitments of the United States are of two kinds"...or, "A treaty is, in its nature, a contract between two nations"...and, it goes on and on.

Bill Clinton knew the facts about making a Treaty, or in his case, making Treaties.

American "Sovereignty"

The UN, Amnesty International, "Old Europe", France, Germany, etc. all love Bill Clinton. Why?!? Basically, he loved the UN Constitution more than his own United States Constitution, and not only said so, but followed such a saying with actions to place American Sovereignty under the control of the UN through the Kyoto Accord and the International Court of Justice liberal crap that he tried.

The Democrats claim that W. is into a "One Party" system...the Democrats claim that the Republican Party is ran by "white Christians". Er, OK. i am White, but not a Christian, and am a registered Libertarian.

KårmiÇømmünîs&dagge r;

#160 Vickie

if anyone ever gets cranky at you for misusing something of Islam's... just call it art.

Does any know this? Has AI said anything about the handling of the American Flag by members of Islam? What about the Trashing of the Star of David on the Israeli Flag? ANYTHING AT ALL? Does the world ABUSE ever get mentioned by AI when talking about the Islamic World.

Took years to talk about cutting off womens private parts..or sewing them up. Thats ABUSE with a Cap. A.

A B U S E...Lets all talk about the Abusive Nature of the Cultures in Islamic Countries.

I'm a bit confused. Should an organization named Amnesty International (where amnesty is defined by Merriam-Webster as: the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals) be willing to forgive and forget? They seem to for Castro, Saddam, Qaddafi, etc... Why not US leaders?

#160 vickie

Gordo doesn't give a flying crap about women and children being raped or killed by murdering Islamic nutjobs.

He only cares about protecting the lefty "Blame Bush, Christians and Jews First" box in his brain.

Hell, even Ward Churchill can't come to grips with being a fraud intellectually (not to mention genealogically) despite the preponderance of evidence. Why should Gordo be any different?

lanc: So far we got from Islam:
1. Dont you dare come near our Islamic Holy Places in Wartime.
2. Dont you dare have a War on Friday or in Rhamadan.
3. Dont you dare handle our holy book disrepectfully.

And their behavior?

1. Take over and trash OTHERS Holy Buildings (too numerous to mention)
2. Conduct attacks on others on their Holy Religious Days and Holidays (you remember incidences after incidences--Sat makes no dif..Yom Kipper makes no diff)
3. They seen to handle what WE hold dear anyway they wish.

Are we going to APOLOGIZE to THEM?

If we dooo...what the F..message does that send? Do you want our Country, our President, our State Dept..ANYONE here in the US to apologize to THEM? I dont and I dont mind saying so.

#159 rightymouse

What the world needs to do is eradicate radical Islam which has no place in civilized societies.

I certainly agree with that. "radical" islam is a barbarism.

But islam has over a billion adherents. And islam provides the bedrock for radical islam.

I guess every religion has its propoents of "purity" and "strict observance." But, unfortunately, it seems islam is most definitely NOT peaceful at its core.

I'm not sure we can ever be free of "radical islam," because islam itself will always provide the seed for new hatreds and quests for domination.

Back in the 80s, a campus lefty asked me to look at the letter he was preparing to send to the police chief of Honduras at the behest of Amnesty International. It said, iirc, "We, the students and faculty of Texas Tech University, DEMAND the immediate release of all illegally held prisoners of concience in your jails and an end to your use of torture to force false confessions of illegal activity."

I said, "Yep, sounds good to me. I am sure the police chief will give it all the attention it deserves."

To be fair, AI's own guidelines strongly suggest being polite and respectful and avoiding attributions of guilt, but the Moonbats cannot indulge their power fantasies from that.

Has anyone hear read "Atomic Iran" yet? This book is blowing my mind-the mullahs have the democrats completely in their pocket and the facts listed in this book about what has been done will chill you to the bone.

#163 vickie

Uh, no. Moral equivalence reigns at AI these days. They won't "judge" by any standard of human rights propriety, except of course, if the target countries happen to be the United States and Israel.

Read the drivel on North Korea, Cuba, Iran etc.

This is all curious of course, because if we're so bad, then these other countries must be horrific. But somehow they are not.

Pathetic.

.

rightymouse: Heres what I say to Gordon: Hello Gordon: SO? Nothing to say? No OUTRAGE to express over raped and burned women in Africa cause they dont want to be members of Islam? And the other issues?

Nonic: A minority of a Billion Islamic people who embrace barbarism is a PROBLEM for the entire World. If it was just a small amount..that might be different. And where is the "moderate" Islamic member that not only expresses REVULSION at this behavior but lines up and puts a STOP TO IT?

Nah...that excuse is old already.

Surely the statements from amnesty amount to an attack on the war on terror on behalf of the terrorists. Hence, I suggest that next time the head of amnesty visits the US that she be interned at gitmo with the rest of the subhuman scum already there.

Well, not to blow the LGF horn too much, but we had this story back on May 26, ahead of almost everyone: lgf: Amnesty International Urges Prosecution for US Officials. I was surprised that it didn’t get more notice at the time.

Please tell me Charles isn't "requesting" a hat tip from the blogosphere.
I learned the hard way that asking for a hat tip in here is not a good thing, and (indeed) required a re-reading of the faq.

jlfin: I haven't read the book yet..but just have a suspicion that there isn't going to be real Democracy in Iran. (the Mullahs remain in charge in the background?) I think it is pie in the sky and wishful thinking and just another way for us to not face up to Atomic Islam with yet another Islamic Country coming on line with Tha Bomb. Its tick tick tick time. WE are not handling this well or hardly at all.

#173 spunkman
STFU already.

Shiplord @ 157

Good for you for taking the steps to talk to the Texas authorities.

Another observation: note that the superior moral authority of foreign governments over our own is taken for granted in this AI pronouncement.

It's blatantly obvious, extremely insulting and hyper-hypocritical.

In other words... Assholes with a rotten agenda...

I thought the Secret Service investigated threats against our President, or the FBI. Are they being held back?

All this anti W talk keeps escalating until someone overflows with venom and tries something. Surely checking on AI in campuses because of these threats could be managed.

maybe not.

Ought to sic the city attys or building dept on them. When they have meetings, do they need permits, occupancy, proper zoning, parade permits, business license. All politics is local--the city govts can be a pain if you are on the wrong side. there are so many rules you can get cooked pretty easy.

I sure bet AI in US locales could be given a hot foot.

Unlike the average Moonbat, I have traveled extensively in Latin America on something other than an insulated and ideologically controlled guided tour.

For many in that region, defiance of human rights NGOs and eco-dictators is considered an assertion of nationalism against foreign power. It would amaze the average campus moonbat, arrogant child of privilege that it is, to learn that their activies are viewed as foreign interventionism and commonly regarded as meddlesome, ignorant, arrogant, and condescending.
In short, the pious hordes of Moonbat NGO supporters are the new Ugly Americans.

The local elites who collaborate with them are seen not as the true representatives of popular will, but as cowards at best and traitors at worst.

# 175 reag

And here I was wasting my time composing a several line response ...
:-)

 #168

Shiplord Kirel  6/9/2005 04:15PM PDT

Back in the 80s, a campus lefty asked me to look at the letter he was preparing to send to the police chief of Honduras at the behest of Amnesty International. It said, iirc, "We, the students and faculty of Texas Tech University, DEMAND the immediate release of all illegally held prisoners of concience in your jails and an end to your use of torture to force false confessions of illegal activity."

LOL LOL... such little lambs aren't they?

Amnesty International hasn't brought amnesty to anyone. They are a worthless pile of steaming crap.

Testing Firefox here. Not bad, works much faster than IE on a Mac.

#172-I don't know if you can arrest these people for conspiring to? lets see now...advocate the kidnapping of American Citizens..which is Felony. (how bout that?) but I would be doing Op Research on each and every official of AI who did advocate the arrest of American Citizens and see what is there.

Money, girlfriends, boyfriends, drugs? Just for a START.

I heard her being interviewed.

She's a very nice, upper class, well educated girl. Young, simple, and speaks like Chomsky in a dress.

She has the whiff of those well educated idiots that infest Universities. All statistics and no common sense.

She doesn't like Conservatives... at all.

Shiplord @ 179

It would amaze the average campus moonbat, arrogant child of privilege that it is, to learn that their activies are viewed as foreign interventionism and commonly regarded as meddlesome, ignorant, arrogant, and condescending.
In short, the pious hordes of Moonbat NGO supporters are the new Ugly Americans.

We feel the same about them here... not just in foreign countries... you should meet my neighbors... ugh!

#180 Buckaroo

And here I was wasting my time composing a several line response ...

LOL!

We can probe back with a few cruise missles on AI offices in terrorist countries. Yes it would be wrong if they were targeted there..but a mistake or 3 would be nice.

#175 reaganite

Damn, he's back?

#167 nonic

"I guess every religion has its propoents of "purity" and "strict observance." But, unfortunately, it seems islam is most definitely NOT peaceful at its core.

I'm not sure we can ever be free of "radical islam," because islam itself will always provide the seed for new hatreds and quests for domination."

Communism was/is its own "religion" and a scourge upon their population. Definitely anything but peaceful. But we are slowly seeing it wither away and die a natural death. It cannot withstand the test of time.

We have ignored fundamental Islam for too long, likely because in modern time, they haven't had the armies or wherewithal to cause a serious threat to the world community.

Take the power away from the fundamentalists of Islam. Make the ME democratic. Let the people get a taste of freedom from their fanatic Imams who lust for power and their suppressive totalitarian governments.

It's worth a try. There were many who didn't think communism could be turned either.

Just sayin'

#91 Gordon

From Andrew Sullivan:

SNIP...

I don't believe the military's account of how a Koran got splattered by a guard's urine.

i know...i know...i know, Pierre Francois Le Louet claims that 'Macho Men' are being replaced by a form of a "hybrid man" that wears suspenders backwards. WOW!

BTW, i am back, and wondering if you are still trying to avoid gentle me. Are You? *SNICKER*

i wish that i had had Andrew as a Cell-Mate, back in those days that i ran the Prisons that i was in.

Anyway, Gordon, do you and yore ilk actually believe that the Terrorists care about such 'Thangs, and that they would wear their suspenders backwards in order to become a "hybrid man"?

bwaaaAAAHAAHAHAAAHAAAHAAA!

Do you even realize what your life would now be like, if you had spent just one day in a Prison Cell with me?!? Of course not...simple as that.

KårmiÇømmünîs† ;
Former Prison Pimp

OT, but funny...

(check the main picture)

[Link: shurl.org...]

#175 Reaganite, #180 Buckaroo

Spunkbreath posted this gem to me the other day...

Shit, looks like we're going to have to invade Europe for its own good... again!

#188 christheprofessor

Damn, he's back?

And still being a whiny little bitch...

Is it just me or did AI not actually call for the arrest (or kidnapping as some people put it) of US officials? To me it says that foreign governments should "uphold their obligations under international law by investigating all senior U.S. officials involved in the torture scandal."

This is not a call to arrest anybody. It is a call to investigate. And only if "those investigations support prosecution", then "the governments should arrest any official who enters their territory and begin legal proceedings against them."

But of course I may be misreading the text. We all know that I have issues with reading comprehension.

I don't know about you guys but this makes me very sad.

I know Amnest has and will do good things. I know its based on a good idea, but it makes me so sad to see it like a cheap whore, used by anyone as long as it gets at America and Jews.

# 194

Is it just me, or is the writing close to taxfreekiller?
:-0

#184 Londoner
"She has the whiff of those well educated idiots that infest Universities. All statistics and no common sense.

She doesn't like Conservatives... at all."

What a surprise! :)

Conservatives threaten their fake sense of moral superiority.

Is there no one from the LGF's MRPNG willing to apologize to me for their mistakes?!?

Just wondered...

KårmiÇømmünîs† ;

#197 Buckaboo

Is it just me, or is the writing close to taxfreekiller?

?no,,, dn't thunk "so",,,
whi asK",,,

thinking ,thinking, ,, thinkin,,,

Just pondering over who AI just might "investigate"..Where can I make a bet on this? Ah Geeze.

All sorts of formerly "good idea" Organizations got hijacked by the extreme left. They take the idea and spin it out to match their extreme views. I wonder if there is any original members around in these Organizations to sue them for the hijacking and the corruption of their Origional Organizations? Just a thought.

When some dictatorial African President-for-life goes to Paris to get his prostate checked will Amnesty International be screaming for their arrest?

savage-nation..I agree..Im positive it is.

#197 Buckaroo

Taxfree is harmless. A bit loopy in expression, but harmless.

if any country should take shultz's suggestion to heart and act accordingly, the united states should certainly go to war with that country. especially iof that country is one of our western "allies".

shultz himself should be left alone. this is a dare on his part. he's daring the u.s. to try him for sedition and treason. make no mistake, this is treason, but this is also 2005. it's been 30 years since jane fonda went to communist north vietnam and had publicity photos taken of her pretending to shoot down americaqn planes on a north vietnamese anti-aircraft gun. we gain more as a nation by simply turning our backs on this feeble child.

hrun

The AI statement presupposes the guilt of the accused. How else are US authorities, including Congressional and judicial Democrats, not considered competent to investigate?
How else is the US considered to be "shirking its responsibilities"? What does AI consider to be a competent and responsible investigation? What is their notion of "independent"? Does any living person really suppose that a foreign government would automatically be free of bias and its own agenda in these matters, reliably "independent" in some sense that American authorities are not?
It is transparently obvious that AI's idea of a competent investigation is one that matches its existing conclusions, nothing else will do.
These conclusions are obvious throughout the document, and the conditional statements you cite are simply a cheap rhetorical smokescreen.
You do have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps you think we do.

OT

Gordon is disrespecting the Swift Boat Vets on the Kerry thread... he has gone over the line on this...

#200 KarmiCommunist

And LGF'ers are supposed to apologize to you for?

Who is MR PNG, KarmiCommie?

I forget...

#206 -=@$$=-
"we gain more as a nation by simply turning our backs on this feeble child. "

How is that?

Karmi
I will ask Our Lady of Perpetual Grievance to Whine for you.

"Come on punk make my day" said Mr. Chimpulator, the plastic McHalliburton oil turkey

I was trying to figure out if the "bong-person" on theRightTalk.com blog-ad above was a chick or a dude (I'm leaning chick, but wouldn't bet money, and then it hit me:

Nodrog.

I heard Galloway said the same thing... that the G8 leaders thought they were going to be coming to a summit, but some would wind up being pulled down and arrested. But I read too much every day, so there's no way I can remember where I saw it.

I'd love to see him try. I was in Edinburgh just a month ago, and I'm glad I got to see it before it's destroyed by the moonbats.

#208 Bubble Girl

Hey Bubbles! Has anyone advised to just ignore him? I swear he's getting worse and begging to be banned.

OT via Tim Blair TILT! TILT FOR THE SEA BEASTS!

The LGF's MRPNG know who they are, huh. Anyway, i was just wondering whilst pounding back at AI.

Karmi

Not even one...

#218 KarmiCommie

The LGF's MRPNG know who they are, huh.

Ok, but did you know that you're a:

UENSK�G%^&*

Just checking.

Thats right, because there is NOTHING TO BE SORRY FOR

Charles,

Can I count this as a double hat-tip?

Is KarmiCommunist the left-wing counterpart/alter-ego of TaxFreeKiller?

MRPNG? Mr. Piss oN Gordon?

Remeber folks: Gordon is not a real person. The entity known as Gordon is really the
A.R.A.B.
Auto Responding Annoyance Bot. It's a program engineered by Charles to rile up the minions in case a thread gets dull. Ignore it and it becomes inactive.
JWM

#220 rightasrain

Karmi also forgot our secret LGF decoder rings which flash "TAPOSTD" whenever he or Gordi appear.

#212 BabbaZee

LOL!

Ignore it and it becomes inactive.

Like a viral infection?

#221 BabbaZee

Like Dr. Jack Wheeler said:

Never apologize, son. It’s a sign of weakness.

And, since i consider Women my equal, will add "Gal" into that quote, instead of "son". ;)

KårmiÇømmünîs&dagge r;
Dualistic *LOVE* God

Latest recon report indicates Arlene remains weak and poorly organized, barely a tropical storm.

As Arlene is looking less likely to become a hurricane before hitting New Orleans to Pensacola Saturday afternoon/evening, I'd recommend people road trip for a tropical cyclone party.

890
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P. AF302 0301A ARLENE OB 12
MAX FL WIND 46 KT N QUAD 21:15:20 Z
SLP EXTRAP FROM 1500 FT.
WEAK CENTER; NOT WELL ORGANIZED

Visible satellite loop (it'll get dark soon!) showing center west of heaviest storms due to southwesterly wind shear.

Color enhanced loop works even after dark.

Amnesty International doesn't belive that Americans have the right to self-defense or the right to choose their own leaders. But terrorists and korans have rights.

#24 Terrye

You are DA-BOMB

gawd girl can you say it or what?

ATLAS SHRUGGED

Look it here girlfriend-I was on the CU synchronized swim team-and HOCKEY damn it.

[they dropped both but now have the girl's hockey back as a club sport]

and oh by the way I am HOTTER than you except for one or two fo your pics'

AND DARN IT-

French Canadians-I am one-invented the "sport"and I think we got it in the Olympics-along with my Aunt eho pushed Rythmic Gymnastics at the montreal olympics

And frig it's hard and it's five hours a day in the friggin' pool/ So much so that the chlorine leeched the potassium out of my system-

I'm telling you I am going to get with my sisters of the militant Rythmic Gymnasts and we are going to start taking names...

/I am joking...

Hi y'all-

OT, but message to new posters - lesson learned this afternoon, so profit from my mistake.

When a thread has "matured" into the hundreds of posts, and conversations are flying between core (i.e.- our elders who blazed the path for us in the blogging world), DON'T make stupid cracks and then try to repeat them hoping for a response.

It's rude to the elders, you'll get ignored, and you'll think "How stupid is this whole thing?"

The answer is that posting just to post is not the point of LGF - ADDING something to the thread for the benefit of all is.

So bide your time, comment when you actually have something to add, and rely on the sweet spirit of the lizards for feedback to let you know how you're doing.

Mea culpa

The pressure has been so much on our President, that now MSM and even FOX is reporting that W. is considering dumping Gitmo!?!

i wrote W. today..."Keep Gitmo!"

Our President needs help...SUPPORT HIM!

#206 -=@$$=-

How do you pronounce "-=@$$=-"?

Atlas

The only thing more projectile vomit inducing was this clown's performance on CSPAN...will try to find link so we can hurl in syncronicity (like those fabi Olympic Swimmers!)

ah... a new Olympic sport to be played at the 2008 games in Paris *spit*

For any other LGF synchronized swimmers-

Here is what Atlas thinks of YOU

Kay?

Cripes gotta feelin' I'm the only one...

Fess up you chicken shats...Boys?

Gordon? Come on you at least wanted to be one...

#236 xbalanke

I think it's pronounced -=$$=-

The @ is silent.

#236 exbalanke

I believe it's pronounced as "the artist formerly know as Prince."

#91: Gordon:

Who gives a rat's ass what Sullivan thinks? He says the military has no credibility with him? Well he has none with me.

He does not have any idea what he is talking about. He is jsut blowing off.

I know a couple of old boys that survived POW camps in WW2 and Korea and believe it or not pee on a book was not high on their list of worries.

Silly ridiculous crap. and amnesty should be ashamed. All they are doing is making it more difficult for people like me to take them serioulsy. And Bush is the first Republican I ever voted for. I am not even a registered Republican, lose me and you will lose someone who is inclined to be on your side. But not anymore, this is getting too stupid.

I know liberals think that if they suck up to the antiAmerican fools they will like them, but not so. They will hate you too.

I checked out Amnesty's history for the last few years and they have spent so much time and energy worrying about terrorists and serial killers on death row here that people suffering and dying in North Korea, Iran, Africa, Cuba and South America barely get a mention.

Sully is pissed because Bush won't let him marry his boyfriend. And I think that if he hates it all that much here he should go somewhere nice like Saudi Arabia where the penalty for being gay is death. See if he likes that better.

#232 Iron Fist

I'm not exactly sure what I think I need to apologize to you for, and, quite frankly am dealing with personal issues that are likely to make me rather short tempered.

Since you are responding, and since i did not mention you as part of the MRPNG crowd, we both now obviously know that you were involved. Now, as far as you having some "personal issues", that is just another one of your many ego caused problems as far as i am concerned. You are the so-called *BIG* dude here...anyway, like i have already clearly proven here, you and most of the rest of the MRPNG are simply pathetic...at best.

Sheesh...

KårmiÇømmünîs† ;
Karmic SLAUGHTERER

{IRONICUS FISTICUS MAXIMUS}

Good thing I haven't eaten dinner yet, because this makes me sick.

#242 KarmiC

anyway, like i have already clearly proven here, you and most of the rest of the MRPNG are simply pathetic...at best.

That's unfair and untrue. The 'big name' posters here are generally a bunch of articulate, knowledgable people who each contribute to the personality of this blog.

#238 Belize042

I think it's pronounced -=$$=-
The @ is silent.

LOL. Thank you for clearing that up.

Terrye

Sully is pissed because we won't have him grab his ankles and give him the Gitmo...

I flunked the Gitmo sensitivity final.

Hooo Haaa

#242 KarmiCommunist
FOAD

#244 Iron Fist

SNIP...

I have a personal life to have issues with.

Yeah, like apologizing to yore Wife (or Mom) after slapping Her around...so to speak of what yore so-called "life" is about.

KårmiÇømmünîs† ;
Karmic SLAUGHTERER

#205 rightymouse

Taxfree is harmless. A bit loopy in expression, but harmless.

Personally, I'd rather have nodroG in here 24x7, as opposed to the Taxman. I just find the posts incoherent and irritating. Not a personal attack on the poster as a person. Just the written thought process, if you want to call it that. I suppose I need to exercise a little more patience? Hmmm...

My #252

personal attack on the poster as a person

PIMF - redundancy

/talk about irritating ;)

I don't see what the big deal is. Really. AI is just farting with their mouths.

The United States is lawfully at war and there is not a shred of evidence that the government has ordered our troops to torture anyone- congress voted war on Afghanistan and Iraq. Amnesty really has nothing to say about it and ANY, I repeat, any country or court (since only a state may indict) would be foolish to do so. The consequences, as they say, will be too awful to for anyone realistically to contemplate legal action; let Ghana or Luxembourg indict, go ahead, children, see what happens.

I have no doubt that some US officers or agents have received intelligence retrieved by torture. We are a nation at war, if the government determines that, under certain circumstances, we will look the other way while an Egyptian talks to a Yemeni with a blowtorch, I do not care. Bending the rule of law to save the rule of law is more indicative of who we are fighting than the character of our leaders. If we fight this war entirely by the rules and lose we will lose and none of us will have any rights at all. Either we win this war or we will be converted to Islam and watch our women and children sold to slavery. Is everyone clear on this? AI is in no way privy to the conduct of the war, they have no idea of the nature of the daily command decisions made and they have no right to substitute their judgement as to how or how not to fight this war when they are not in possession of all of the facts.

Here is what has not happened. None of our rights have been abridged, it's not martial law; the government seems to have determined that, in certain circumstances, extreme measures may be taken.

Is this not a judicious use of the power we have entrusted the adminstration with? And is using the power only on a limited basis, not as a widespread policy, proof that our trust is well placed?

In a perfect world we would never even have to dream about or contemplate such a human evil as torture. AI lives in this fantasy city in the clouds, like Laputa in Gulliver's Travels, but the world we live in has extremely evil men that once they sieze power from us will never return it. So we have to make a very ugly but real choice: win the war and, perhaps cross lines we would not otherwise cross, or lose the war and forfeit not only our liberty but plunge the entire world into the worst era since the dark ages.

I will take my chances with the Bush Administration.

#240 Terrye

"...Sully is pissed because Bush won't let him marry his boyfriend. And I think that if he hates it all that much here he should go somewhere nice like Saudi Arabia where the penalty for being gay is
death. See if he likes that bet."

To Sully, life and politics are all about his penis satisfaction. Ironically, his unprotected penis got him infected with HIV during a time (10 or so years ago) when he knew better but did it anyway.

Who does he blame for his mess? Conservatives. Especially Reagan. What a morally derelict, intellectual putz.

Anyway, he lives in Provincetown, Mass.? He can get married there, right?

#255 Iron Fist

You can't deny, so you need to change the *SUBJECT*, huh. i figured such...

KårmiÇømmünîs† ;
Karmic SLAUGHTERER

So, I'm checking out this old Mac that the tech team inherited from the graphics dept. I looked in the icon called "trash" and there was Karmic Scumbag and Nodrog dancing a leftist moonbat jig.

I smell TESTOSTERONE.

The ususal suspects?

Yep...

#241 FeFist

Thanks- I know this is so much bigger than when it started and I celebrate that! and the pioneers who blazed the way.

I'm in the same situation as, I guess, a lot of new posters - I sneak away when I can at work to see what's going on, then again if I get a chance I check back in the evening.

It's hard to become a "regular" that way, but I mean what I said in #233 - y'all have been here a long time, so I hate to insert myself in old friendships.

Anyway, thanks again, and check me out on the Aussie tribute thread that Charles posted after this thread - I got #5! ;^D

#252 Cartman

Where's all this rain that was forecasted? I keep waiting for the Ohio boomers!

Taxfree is an enigma for sure, but so far has not purposefully caused "flames" or derailed threads that I know of. I could be wrong, but I personally have not seen any.

Nodrog, on the other hand, is Nodrog the invincible lefty smiter of Charles' right wing minions mustering every ounce of his arrogant, hypocrital glory.

Just sayin'

Iron Fist

Please drop me an Email about patches. I've been trying to reach you.

Iron Fist!

LMAO!

MRPNG

Mob Ruled Pea Nut Gallery...

#257 KarmiCommunist

Say something conservative. It will make me horny.

#266

Who the hell is this Karmi schmoo with the fancy sign -off anyway?

Gawd...never seen him before.

#259 Iron Fist

Still in denial, huh. Figures. BTW, you said that Charles does not like seeing a flame-war. i suggest that you bitch up, or go slap yore Wife (or Mom or Daughter or Son) again...so to speak of such "personal issues".

KårmiÇømmünîs† ;
Karmic SLAUGHTERER

#267 madawaskan

Karmi is trying for infrequent flyer miles here at LGF.

You cannot make me click on his little ball-

too scary.

rightymouse

Ya-that has got to be the motive honestly...

#268 KarmiCommunist

Awww...c'mon Karmi. Make a conservative Asian chick drool for your commie ass.

Say something conservative. Pretty please?

Karmi-

Ya make this Frenchie Canadian hot.

do it...ya know you want to...

[why do they ALWAYS run from chicks?]

rightmouse

I think he wanted Iron...

His little green ball deflated and he ran home...

WAAA!

Someone was asking about Bangladesh and thinking there weren't Muslims, wrong:

The area which is now Bangladesh has a rich historical and cultural past, combining Dravidian, Indo-Aryan, Mongol/Mughul, Arab, Persian, Turkic, and west European cultures. Residents of Bangladesh, about 98% of whom are ethnic Bengali and speak Bangla, are called Bangladeshis. Urdu-speaking, non-Bengali Muslims of Indian origin, and various tribal groups, mostly in the Chittagong Hill Tracts, comprise the remainder. Most Bangladeshis (about 83%) are Muslims, but Hindus constitute a sizable (16%) minority. There also are a small number of Buddhists, Christians, and animists. English is spoken in urban areas and among the educated.

KarmiCommunist

I promise that I will get out all my books on Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Che, Castro etc. and re-read them if you whisper one conservative idea in my eager ear.

Puhhhleeeze.

OK. Obviously Iron Fist needs help from the rest of his MRPNG...very impressive, as is AI; however, i find such rather boring, and shall respect the wishes of Charles.

KårmiÇømmünîs† ;
Karmic SLAUGHTERER

Ooohhh

Karmi I'll talk Fwench to ya just like Dominique [de Villepen]

#278 madawaskan

I heard a rumor that Dominique is a man. A French man, but still a man.

Oh bebe Karmi

vous-voulez some of this?

...pretty safe to say anyone grabbing any of our officials would be committing an act of war, and would recieve the appropriate response...

Hey madawaskan-

Don't want to break security, but:

1)Do you know where Orono is?
2)Do you know what Maine's state bird is?
3)Did you vote like me for the 2 RINO's that voted against Wm. Pryor today?