Wow.

I'm sorry, but there were too many people who watched this on TV live to say that the collapse is bogus.

Oh No. Did the shot come from the grassy knoll too?

Insane. That's the only word that describes this. What makes an economist an expert on structural engineering in the first place?

Oh, that's right. Facts don't matter to the moonbats.

Yeah, I read this earlier, and I just have to say "wow." Psycho.

so many conspiracies, so little time...

I believe Popular Science went through all the conspiracy theories late last year and disproved them

Okay, someone (don't recall who) said that part of the problem with the Trade Center was the fact that the insulation used in the second tower was all EPA approved and did not have asbestos. That meant that heat was able to move faster throughout the building thus leading to its quicker demise. Does Reynolds consider that?

Willfully ignorant and intentionally destructive--charming combination.

And Reynolds' qualifications as a failure analyst are?

Here's his Web page at A&M:

Morgan Reynolds

Amongst all the other stuff floating around, I believe Popular Science, of all things addressed and debunked this theory several months ago.
Gotta go find the link.
BRB

So where does he get his "full range of facts" from? Al-Jazeera?

A&M has a great engineering department, but Reynolds ain't no engineer.

Ohhh puhleeeze! Not another conspiracy theory! 'controlled demolition'? Has he had a rush of sh*t to the brain? Incipient Alzheimer's? Why would someone in a fairly prominent position expose themselves to the kind of ridicule his comments will draw from both sides of the spectrum? You don't willy-nilly opine about the circumstances of 9/11 without so much as a shred of evidence...not about something so important! What was he thinking?

VRWC
my first thought as well..."wow"

Can we please hear from who actually know something about engineering?

Right, and the two planes were just wnndow dressing to make it "look good".

/unbelievable idiocy

Here is the link to Popular Mechanics' debunking of these conspiracy theories:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/12 27842.html?page=5&c=y

Here is dumbass's writings...

Morgan Reynolds: Archives

Good to see that he's got his Al Jazeria talking points together.

Living proof that nanotubes are an environomental hazzard.

Good G-d. These ppl are everywhere, it seems.

Of course.

Until 9/11, the explosives were stored in the sound stage used to simulate the Apollo moon landing, right next to the coffins of the space aliens who crashed in Roswell.

#21 BC Bud
I sent him a link to that article. Maybe he will read it. maybe not.

Reynold's Rap = Tinfoil Hat

As a graduate and now employee I apoligize for our resident village idiot.

Texas A&M is one of the most conservative universities in the country, but even we have a few. (The last one was the physics professor who insisted he had replicated cold fusion in the early 90's.)

Fortunately, here at TAMU, our idiots stand out in a crowd. At Berkeley or even Austin, he would be considered mainstream.

I'm confused...he didn't see the photos of the planes? His family doesn't think he's whacked?

Huh?

oh dear lord...

now that they know the Downing street memos are nothing more than a fart in church they are dusting this gem off?

sven

Were the demolition teams secreted into the WTC before or after the planes hit?
Did the demolition teams forget to tell the FDNY, or was it premeditated murder?

It's amazing that the controled demolition happened at the same time islamo-psychos crashed those hijacked planes into them!

Well, he might as well be a member of the tin foil hat brigade, seeing as how he shares his name with one of the leading manufacturers of the product.

I guess that accounts for all those people who came down the ladder wells who reported seeing people in military uniforms, complete with body armor hauling bricks of C-4 up the stairs as they ran down...

Jeez...

the pods!
the pods!

they're everywhere!

Isn't emeritus latin for "out to pasture?" In this case. I think it could be loosely translated as "out to lunch." Permanently.

Well now, if that isnt proof enough that drugs destroy your brain cells, then Im going to stop eating beaver and move in with them.

what a dumbass

Good grief!

I was hoping this would slide under the radar until Morgan came to his senses. The reason: the good professor is a relative. Age, stress, and a possible grudge against the government have combined to cloud his judgment and cause him to make a public spectacle of himself.
Not a bad old guy in most respects, but really, really off his chair on this one.
Note however that one of his works is "The Impossbility of Socialist Economy."

He is not the first A&M prof to go off the rails in public. A few years ago, a chemistry professor there was reprimanded after accepting a large grant for the development of a chemical process that could turn lead into gold (impossible by definition). The grant came from some credulous fool who had come into a lot of money, not at all uncommon around these parts.

"Some of you may remember that in my early days, I was sort of a bleeding heart liberal. Then I became a man and put away childish ways."

~ Ronald Reagan

#8 Bill

Please don't give credit to Popular Science for that terrific Popular Mechanics article (correctly linked by #21 BCBud).

The editorial bent of Popular Science has been decidedly moonbat-infected for several years.

Popular Mechanics is still a fact-driven, common sense publication.

What the heck is wrong with people..

Is it so hard to accept the reality of evil? Must everything be projected onto an assailable, yet safe scapegoat?

How medieval the moonbat mind...

Excuse me mr reynolds what was your degree in? stuctural engineering? architecture? oh economics, yeah your credible

Hey Morgan, you dropped your hat!

/what an asshat

#28 oh dude:

That's an lgf classic..."Reynold's Rap = Tinfoil Hat". Good One!

“If demolition destroyed three steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an ‘inside job’ and a government attack on America would be compelling.”

Doesn't quite seem like he slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Those airplanes were used only to distract the entire watching world from noticing the subsequent demolition. Was David Copperfield anywhere around? Could it have been a giant magic trick on the world stage? Hmmm. Isn't he Jewish?
Hmmm. It's beginning to make sense.

Sarcasm tag not required.

“It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause of the collapse of the twin towers and building 7

Could it have been because a couple of planes flew into them?

What really gets to me is the other stuff he has to beleive in order to believe this. He has to believe that people in the gov't would make the decision to sacrifice the workers in the towers, to sacrifice the firemen and police who responded, to sacrifice the people on the planes, to risk that the buildings would fall over (as opposed to pancaking) and collapse other buildings, to risk the damage to the economy, to risk being found out, to risk their souls by committing such a heinous crime.

In other words, he really believes that the gov't is evil and irrational. It's that projection thing again. Dr. Sanity has a long post about psych defense mechanisms in the moonbat/terrorist context. (Dr. Sanity is a psychiatrist)

"If demolition destroyed three steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center

Apparently, Morgan's progressive drunk has been going on for nearly five years.

Makes you wonder how many other buildings the govt had wired to explode, just waiting for those terrorists to steal another plane, who was it that said the islamoscum hijackers got their training from the cia?

The amazing lunacy of this theory is that OBL and GWB would have had to collaborated it! Bush would have to have known when the planes were going to hit to have the explosives in place, and OBL would have to have known that Afghanistan was about to be bombed right back to where it is (as opposed to back to the stone ages). Great strategy by both men.

Unfrigginblievable!

His screed on "anti-state, anti-war, pro-market" lewrockwell.com/ blog;

9/11 Skepticism

Yes, the treachery of that day three years ago continues to gnaw away at the nation. But to draw enlightened lessons, we’ve got to know what really happened. The problem, to paraphrase Democritus, is that the Bush administration has buried truth at the bottom of the sea.
---
Now prepare yourself a jolt: "Rupert's new book will name Vice President Richard Cheney as the prime suspect in the mass murders of 9/11 and will establish that, not only was he a planner in the attacks, but also that on the day of the attacks he was running a completely separate Command, Control and Communications system which was superseding any orders being issued by the FAA, the Pentagon, or the White House Situation Room.

Apparently, Reynolds relies on this Michael Rupert former CIA loonie-tune... who further relies on interviews with (you guessed it) Cynthia McKinney... and down the rabbit hole we go...

On this very topic, coming soon:

Oliver Stone's and Michael Moore's blockbuster film collaboration that rips this whole Bushitler coverup to shreds: "WHO BLOW UP DA OWL?" - to be released on 9/11/05.

"controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7."

He right, this is the controlled demolition of Tower II.

Will someone please give this man his meds...oh, and they must be in this order;

1. Sodium thiopental
2. Pancuronium bromide
3. Potassium chloride

How old is he? Could his mind be going?

I had a great uncle who thought someone called "the Diller Boys" shot him.

#26 - Coffins for aliens? Why would we give them a decent Christian burial?

#32
"Were the demolition teams secreted into the WTC before or after the planes hit?"

Before, and after the Jews were secreted out.

Man do I miss the 90's when all the kooks were just harmless nuts rambling on about UFOS & free energy.

/Tin Foil Hat off:

London's bell is a long, long dock…he,he (giggles uncontrollably)

/Tin Foil hat on:

WTC towers went down because of demolitions

Ah, Liberalism is truly a disease. Almost like stepping into the realm of schizophrenia.

#50 foreign devil

Thanx. Every now and then when the planets are all in aligment and I've had my Wheaties, I can get off a good one every now and then.

I just thought... how ironic and his last name is "Reynolds" Talk about your conspiracy theories!

"Only professional demolition appears to account for the full range of facts associated with the collapse of the three buildings.”

yeah, nevermind those airplanes.

All I can say is "Wow!" So is was a eeevil Bush plot to murder Americans under the guise of a terroist attack, the invade soverign nations to get their oil at the expende of even more American lives.

sarcism

Morgan Reynolds comments that the official story about the collapse of the WTC is “bogus” and that it is more likely that a controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7.

Riiight, and the hijacked airliners were really remote-controlled by the mossad.

It's sad that some people are so far detached from reality.  This guy belongs in a rubber room.

Does Reynolds have children?  Are they permanently damaged from living with such a lunatic?
 

He is not the first A&M prof to go off the rails in public. A few years ago, a chemistry professor there was reprimanded after accepting a large grant for the development of a chemical process that could turn lead into gold (impossible by definition). The grant came from some credulous fool who had come into a lot of money, not at all uncommon around these parts.

Hey TAMU's got some pretty good cloners, though.

Wait a minute something's stirring inside my head. Cloning...Texas Agriculture & Military University...Bush family connections...Karl Rove.

THAT'S IT!

George Bush is building a clone army! We have to tell the people before it's too late!

No no no, you folks have it all WRONG! I feel that the Twin Towers were hit simultanously by paired invisible Zionist Deathrays fired from an Israeli submarine hiding off the continental shelf. The airliners were used to conceal this deadly weapon, as we all know that 900,000 pounds of jet aircraft moving at a speed of 570 mph combined with the 800 degree Celsius fires generated by 24,000 gallons of jet fuel could not possible bring down such a tall building. I saw the sub firing myself..honest...there was a flash on the ocean surface right as the sun was hitting it. Come ooonnn, you have to believe me! Bush McHitlerburton and his hooked-nosed Zionist mercs started this war for oooiiilll and Greater Israel! Can't you see that?! Do you think if I SHOUT LOUDER you will hear me?! Huh?!

/moonbat after drinking Dean's Bottled Vermount Water

Has anyone checked out DU or the Kozby Kids to see what their take is? I just don't have the stomach...

LewRockwell.com is a looney site. Sadly, a lot of the libertarians have gone off the deep end, like Ron Paul. They're the true wingnuts. Amoral, too.

Possible tornado in Upton County moving southwest towards Crane and Pecos counties!

I've never been drunk in Upton, Crane or Pecos counties, but I have been drunk just north/northwest of there, in Ward, Ector and Midland counties.

¡Bow echo approaches Parkersburg, WV!

On 9/12 I spoke to a very experienced architect across the hall and asked him quite sincerely if he was surprised that the towers fell, and he emphatically replied that he not only wasn't surprised that they fell, the only surprise to him was that they stood as long as they did before they collapsed.

Anyone who has closely observed the video of what happened that day would never buy into such an outrageous fantasy as the one proposed by this woman, a woman who is clearly in the same den, under that same rock, where the rest of her community can be found, almost all of the time.

Mr reynolds; can you send me the exact combination of prescription drugs and alcohol you have been taking, my paranoid delusions are not near as much fun as yours.

The Masc

#69 templar

You sure it wasn't Zionist sharks with frickin' laser beams shooting out of their heads?

“If demolition destroyed three steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an ‘inside job’ and a government attack on America would be compelling.”

Mm-hmm. And if disruptor beams destroyed the skyscrapers, then the case for a Klingon attack on America would be compelling.

Somebody get the Thorazine.

So those planes that were seen flying into the twin towers were just digitally created? You mean like in the movies?

Rrrriiiggghhhttt. This guy is too stupid to exist, let alone shape impressionable minds at a university.

70 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Sometime I go by the democratic blunderground and the kosby show, but that stuff give you brain cancer. I can feel the ability to reason and think logically slowly leave my body.Seriously thinking about logging on to thier forums to see how long it will take for them to ban me.

#70 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I wouldn't waste the synapse firings thinking about them.

So what it is the federal government? The Mossad? Jewish bakers? The Rothchilds? The Hindenburgs? Angry confederates? Members of the 700 Club?

Oops, my bad. I read too quickly and assumed this person was a woman, and not a man.

Regardless, moonbattery isn't a gender-specific affliction.

The noted SS camp-follower and neo-nazi conspiraloon Carol Valentine has been saying this since it happened.
The bitch has a website but I will not link to it.
Her crucial point is that the combustion temperature of jet fuel is below the melting point of structural steel, and the fires could not therefore have caused the building to collapse.
She's right about the temperature, but her claim is a classic type of conspiracist strawman, a technical irrelevancy asserted as critical to the opposing position. In fact, nobody claims that the girders melted, but that the heat weakened them, a fact that can be demonstrated in any metallurgical lab in the world.
Valentine is also into Waco and hosts the so-called "Waco Holocaust Museum." Tim McVeigh was reportedly influenced by her work.

#11 Dianna

And Reynolds' qualifications as a failure analyst are?

He sounds like a highly qualified failure to me.

#75 Ward Cleaver

Oh dear God, you mean they have those too? We have to do something or they'll take over the frickin' world! Call the Black Bloque! Call Amnesty International! Call ISM! AAAHHH!

/moonbat on second bottle of Dean's Bottled Vermont Water

#42 Shiplord Kirel

You have my sincere and deepest sympathy.

/luckily the nuts in my family don't have access to the press.

time to put our little professor in a rubber class room for a "time out".

Reynolds, who also served as director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis in Dallas and is now professor emeritus at Texas A&M University said, “If demolition destroyed three steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an ‘inside job’ and a government attack on America would be compelling.”

While m&a college is famous for developing the maroon carrot, so aggies didn't have to eat orange ones, m&a was also the school that quickly "verified" the bogus Utah "cold fusion" experiments, and other than being known as probably the best farming and marching college in East Texas, they aren't exactly top tier.

And unlike Baylor and The University of Texas, their baseball team didn't even make the Big XII title game, let alone the College World Series in Omaha.

(sigh)

It's the same order of cloth. This guy could figure out a way to deny the Holocaust.

Come to think of it, he probably does.

DR. EVIL: Gentlemen, I give you the Vulcan.

The world's most powerful subterranean drill.

So powerful it can penetrate the Earth's crust, delivering a 50 kiloton nuclear warhead into the planet's hot liquid core. Upon detonation, every volcano on the planet will erupt.

BASIL: My God, man, don't you understand? It won't just be active volcanoes, inactive ones will erupt as well. Seven-eighths of the Earth's land mass will be deluged with hot magma. Tectonic plates will shift, causing massive earthquakes. Imagine no United Kingdom. Think of it, no cricket, no tea, no freshly toasted crumpets smothered with Devonshire clotted cream, the diving mystery of Stonehenge. Imagine severing forever the continuity of Britannic majesty, the demise of this sceptered isle, this jewel, this England...

No wonder this guy is no longer with the Administration...

First, the government believes it has to maintain public confidence in the economy in order to build and sustain prosperity. This not only reflects a degree of economic ignorance but also means that all news must be spun as good news, even when it is not. It reflects the desire to encourage docility, which makes the population easier to subjugate.

I was never attacked by the press, but, on the other hand, the administration didn't let me out that much.

#44 Eugene McGovern
The editorial bent of Popular Science has been decidedly moonbat-infected for several years.

But they did debunk the Fahrenheit 2777 myth. They explained that steel melts at 2777 degrees and jet fuel burns at 1200 degrees, and the fire was around 1400 degrees because of other combustibles.

So why the collapse? Steel loses 50% of its strength at 1400 degrees. The weakened supports on the floors on fire couldn't support all the weight of the floors above them.

This is such crap. Even George Noory on Coast-to-Coast conspiracy theory radio dispelled this myth and felt it was complete B.S. What a wack-job.

#64 oh dude:

Reynolds' Rap (RR) will forever henceforth refer to looney toon moonbatismitis and the utterances thereof. Thank-you! You're welcome! :)

I rubbed the Popular Mechanics article in my moonbat friend's face.

After a couple of drinks we got on the topic of Islam, USA, etc. This friend went nuts on me when I said that I supported the USA and GWB. She started telling me that her teen-age daughter was being taught in high school that the WTC No. 7 building was a controlled demolition. I just about lost my mind! I immediately, the next day, sought out something to refute this idiotic conspiracy-theory clap trap. I found the PM article and quickly sent it to my friend and advised her to pass it along to her teenage daughter--and the idiot high school teacher who was promoting this theory.

#87 Ed

The professor who accepted the alchemy grant (my #42) was the same one who had instantly and erroneously verified the cold fusion claims.

None of the chuckleheads who propose theories like this ever seem to consider that professional demolition on such a scale would have been a gigantic task, would have taken a lot of time to set up, and would have been very visible to the tens of thousands of people who worked in the Trade Center every single day.

Not 4 the Jooz. They R sneeky and 4000 jooz hoo worked there stayed away that day cuz the mussodd told them to stay away.

/moonbat rebuttal

Insanity. There's no other word for it.

Is there no false charge that these people won't stoop to?

"Fake but perhaps plausible in an alternate universe."

Foot in Mouth
Head in Sand

#87 Ed

I was wondering if UT beat Ole Miss yesterday. I guess Shepherd smith over at Fox is in mourning today (he's a Rebel grad).

In my opinion, Bush should start using Clintonian tactics against these people. It's time for a thorough IRS investigation and audit of Mr. Reynolds. Perhaps part of his FBI file should be "leaked". Do it enough times and these whackos will get the message.

Also, is it just a coincidence that the latest member of the tinfoil brigade is named Reynolds (as in Wrap)?

This seems to be some sort of wide spread mental disorder. People witness, live on TV, an act of unimaginable evil. They see the worlds that this evil creates, ie: the Taliban. Yet they blame the evil not on its source (islam), not on the perpetrators, but on George Bush. They concoct the wildest theories imaginable, and choose to believe them over what they have seen with their own eyes. The disconnect in reasonining is absolutely scary.
JWM

#42 Shiplord Kirel

Age, stress, and a possible grudge against the government have combined to cloud his judgment and cause him to make a public spectacle of himself.

That would explain a lot.

#95 Shiplord Kirel
The professor who accepted the alchemy grant (my #42) was the same one who had instantly and erroneously verified the cold fusion claims.

Hey, watch it! I verified cold fusion once. :)

#94 BC Bud:

and the idiot high school teacher who was promoting this theory.

Please do our civilization a favor, and do everything in your power to get this "teacher" fired.

#70

If you have the stomach, the inmates at DU are babbling on about it.

Charles, et al, I wouldn't consider Reynolds a moonbat in the traditional sense, in that he's on the far right, not the left.

More like an ultra-wingnut, or a crackpot.

Reynolds' entire article can be found here.

Among other things, he says the holes n the Twin Towers were too small to be caused by the airliners:

The engineering establishment’s theory has further difficulties. It is well-known that the hole in the west wing of the Pentagon, less than 18-foot diameter, was too small to accommodate a Boeing 757, but the North Tower’s hole wasn’t big enough for a Boeing 767 either, the alleged widebody airliner used on AA Flight 11 (officially tail number N334AA, FAA-listed as "destroyed"). A Boeing 767 has a wingspan of 155’ 1" (47.6 m) yet the maximum distance across the hole in the North Tower was about 115 feet (35 m), a hole undersized by some 40 feet or 26 percent. "The last few feet at the tips of the wings did not even break through the exterior columns," comments Hufschmid (p. 27). But 20 feet on each wing? I’d call that a substantial difference, not "the last few feet," especially since aircraft impact holes tend to be three times the size of the aircraft, reflecting the fact that fuel-laden airliners flying into buildings send things smashing about in a big way. The small size of the holes in both towers casts doubt on the airliner-impact hypothesis and favors professional demolition again. There were no reports of plane parts, especially wings, shorn off in the collision and bounced to the ground on the northeast side of the tower, to my knowledge, though FEMA reported a few small pieces to the south at Church street (pp. 68–9) and atop WTC-5 to the east of WTC-1.

Adding to the suspicious nature of the small aperture in WTC 1 is that some vertical gaps in the columns on the left side of the northeast hole were so short, probably less than three feet (p. 105) high (p. 27). Not much of a jumbo jet could pass through such an opening, especially since a fuel-laden plane would not minimize its frontal area. The engines are a special problem because each engine is enormous and dense, consisting mainly of tempered steel and weighing 24 to 28.5 tons, depending upon model. No engine was recovered in the rubble yet no hydrocarbon fire could possibly vaporize it.

The hole in the North Tower also is suspicious because it did not even have a continuous opening at the perimeter, but instead contained substantial WTC material (p. 27) just left of center (pp. 62, 105). This material appears integral to that area, so it did not move much, suggesting minimal displacement and no clean penetration by a jumbo jet. These huge airliners weigh 82 tons empty and have a maximum takeoff weight of up to 193 tons.

Adding to the problems of the official theory is the fact that photos of the North Tower hole show no evidence of a plane either. There is no recognizable wreckage or plane parts at the immediate crash site. While the issue probably takes us too far afield, the landing wheel assembly that allegedly flew out of the North Tower and was found several streets away could easily have been planted by FEMA or other government agents. I’ve never seen any objective analysis of this wheel assembly though it would be welcome. In fact, the government has failed to produce significant wreckage from any of the four alleged airliners that fateful day. The familiar photo of the Flight 93 crash site in Pennsylvania (The 9/11 Commission Report, Ch. 9) shows no fuselage, engine or anything recognizable as a plane, just a smoking hole in the ground. Photographers reportedly were not allowed near the hole. Neither the FBI nor the National Transportation Safety Board have investigated or produced any report on the alleged airliner crashes.

humming tune to the "Twilight Zone"...

This guy needs to be returned to his nice cozy padded room where the men in white suits will take good care of him!

#96 J. Lichty
Not 4 the Jooz. They R sneeky and 4000 jooz hoo worked there stayed away that day cuz the mussodd told them to stay away.

/moonbat rebuttal

And they got them secret laser guns what kilt Arafishy, too!

#99 taxfreekiller

two of them made an attempt, and the dirt man ate some of his product

It all makes sense now. You're in prison and the Thorazine wears off now and then...

If my aunt had a sex change, she would be my uncle.

Wow. Hard to argue with the logic of academics like Morgan Reynolds.

Then again, he teaches in Texas. Must be another Rove plant. : )

My God. What a card carrying idiot. This guy has stupid enough to share with the needy. What a total waste of human flesh he is, breathing my air and taking up valuable space. Is there no end to the imbeciles?

Yeah Orange!
Yeah White!
Yeah Texas!
Fight! Fight! Fight!

OXFORD, Miss. -- Robby Hudson (Redlands, Calif.) delivered RBI singles in the sixth and eight innings and J. Brent Cox (Bay City, Texas) earned his 17th save to propel No. 5 Texas (51-16) to a 6-4 victory over No. 8 Mississippi (48-20) and earn the Longhorns their NCAA-record 32nd College World Series appearance on Monday, June 13.

#95 Shiplord Kirel

The professor who accepted the alchemy grant (my #42) was the same one who had instantly and erroneously verified the cold fusion claims.

The cold fusion was certainly off the rails. But I can't help but think that an alchemy grant is simply a case of "A fool and his money."

Odd. I've met a few - ahem - "spiritual alchemists" in my time, but not one practicing seeker after the Philosopher's Stone.

#108 Van Impe

A Boeing 767 has a wingspan of 155’ 1" (47.6 m) yet the maximum distance across the hole in the North Tower was about 115 feet (35 m), a hole undersized by some 40 feet or 26 percent.

He's been watching waaayyy too many cartoons (think Wile E. Coyote, leaving a coyote-shaped hole in the desert floor).

#102 jwm

Yet they blame the evil not on its source (islam), not on the perpetrators, but on George Bush.

Dr. Sanity explained this disorder very well one day. Let me see if I can find it...

He's not a moonbat in the classic sense; he's just suffering from a more paranoidal form of alzheimers. Used to be that a person could get to the point where they wear their underwear on the outside and only the family and close friends knew what was going on and could gently take care of that person. Now it's exposed on national/internation media.

OT
They just had the Pres of the Freedom Towers on Fox (didn't catch his name) and yes, they are in fact going to celebrate how piss poor we treated the black's, American Indians, etc.

Fucking Brilliant! Please don't tell me I have to boycott the new WTC to avoid accidently apologizing to OBL.

#114 Ed

I figured you were a t-sip.

/i'm not an aggie, btw

Unfortunatly this guy is one of the saner members of the paranoid left. Turn on the access cable channel here in Jim Mcdermott land (Seattle) and more often times than not you'll get even more lunacy. Here is an example: Call4Investigation!

Sometimes I feel like Franklin, the token black character in "Peanuts." He's from the other side of town & when his baseball team played Charlie Brown's, he was introduced to his players - the dog at third base, the kid with the blanket, the pitcher occasionally disrobed by line drives & the catcher playing piano. "Like, wow." is all he could say.

In real life, as opposed to the media, there might be as many of these right-wing libertarian-oriented moonbats as lefty types.
I seem to meet a lot more of them at any rate.
The conspiracy industry as such originated in this sub-culture and spread to the left over the years. Tim McVeigh was just such a Moonbat. These wingnuts are dangerous people and they are running wild just now because their recent embrace of many lefty positions has given them a free pass from the institutional media.

Lewrockwell.com is their global headquarters and it does indeed feature some half-assed Holocaust denialists though it officially eschews outright nazism.

So many are vying to win the 2005 Fiskie, and so much of the year left to go. We got Dean, Amnesty International, Galloway, Newsweek, McCain, and all your old favorites will peep up now and then.

And now: Morgan Reynolds. Attack denier, even as the 20th hijacker sings like a canary down in Gitmo while he reads his korans and eats his lemon fish with rice pilaf and fruit grupe to Christina Aguilera.

The engineering establishment’s theory has further difficulties. It is well-known that the hole in the west wing of the Pentagon, less than 18-foot diameter, was too small to accommodate a Boeing 757, but the North Tower’s hole wasn’t big enough for a Boeing 767 either, the alleged widebody airliner used on AA Flight 11 (officially tail number N334AA, FAA-listed as "destroyed").

So, in other words, footage captured and transmitted live by more than a dozen news organizations (from a dozen different angles), not to mention all the amateur footage, is all a fantastically elaborate ruse concocted by BushCo and the right-wing main-stream media.

Uh-huh. Anyone who could believe that should be forcibly sterilized immediately. We don't want these deeply demented people breeding.

How did Cheney spoof the NBC "Today" show cameras into showing the United Airlines 767 flying into the South Tower on live TV?

My God, if the folks at Popular Mechanics can figure it out, how hard can it be?

There is no arguing with crazy people. I learned that long ago.

Common misperception is that steel is just as strong at high temperatures as it is at room temperature.

Quote from the PM article:

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction.

Fact: All steels begin to lose strength at much lower temperatures than this. Steel does not have to be red hot (or even orange hot) to lose significant load-carrying capability. Unlike Aluminum, which retains most of its strength up to the melting point, steel gradually turns into silly putty when heat is applied. This is why it's so easy to weld steel and more difficult to weld Aluminum.

Plus, steel expands greatly as temperatures change, while the concrete it's embedded within does not. So a normally super-reliable simbiotic relationship between strong steel and hard concrete becomes wildly self-destructive as temperatures elevate. The expanding steel will literally tear the concrete apart. Much like how chilling water turning to ice can tear apart strong 'containers' with unbelieveably high force.

On such an immensely heavy structure as a skyscraper, it doesn't take much weakening before the weight from floors above becomes too much for a couple of members to bear, and a catastrophic chain of buckling commences.

This is not rocket science, but basic metallurgy.

/Mech Engineer

Here is Dr. Sanity's explanation for this disorder:

The purpose of displacement is to avoid having to cope with the actual reality. Instead, by using displacement, an individual is able to still experience his or her anger, but it is directed at a less threatening target than the real cause. In this way, the individual does not have to be responsible for the consequences of his/her anger and feels more safe. How else to explain the remarkable and sometimes lunatic appeasement of Islamofascists by so many governments and around the world?

Check out table 3.1.

T.C. Forensic Article 10 - PHYSICAL CONSTANTS FOR INVESTIGATORS

One would assume that we are talking about structural steel here, since in the chart the phrase "structural strength" is used.

#108 Van Impe:

In other words, everything we saw on tv on 9/11 was special effects.

Yep. And all my friends who claimed to witness this are obviously CIA agents.

It's just amazing how willfully delusional (or actively evil?) these people can be.

[Reynolds quote:]

I’ve never seen any objective analysis of this wheel assembly though it would be welcome.

Why do I suddenly feel like beating Reynolds into a bloody pulp with some sort of wheel assembly?

Makes you wonder how many vipers the administration still has crawling in their midst. Should they ask every cabinet member point blank what they think happened on September 11th?

I get a certain guilty pleasure fantasizing about traitorous bozos like this finding themselves in front of a firing squad, someday. No cigarrette for you, bozo!

Did he bother to ask the people whose family members were dropped off at the Boston airport if they've come home yet? Sadly, we all know the answer to that.

Oh, and did I mention the thousands of eye-witnesses who watched the frigging planes hit the buildings? Rove plants. All of them.

These fucking deranged moonbats should be shot for stealing oxygen from the rest of us.

"Professor emiritus" my ass.

Somebody's bashing my alma mater. It would take TAMU a milennia to match the number of flaky moonbats t.u. has produced.

UT Journalism Professor Bob Jensen: The World is Waiting for an Answer: Are we Americans, or Human Beings?

that professional demolition on such a scale would have been a gigantic task, would have taken a lot of time to set up, and would have been very visible to the tens of thousands of people who worked in the Trade Center every single day.

Hey, I watched the demolition show on...some cable channel. Yes, it's a quite involved process.

he's just suffering from a more paranoidal form of alzheimers.

I used to work retail (meaning I dealt with a lot of the public). You see this sort of thing on a somewhat regular basis. Like the guy who went on and on about how the government was spying on him through his cable TV. Not what he watches, but with a camera that was fished through the physical cable.

Eyewitness accounts mean nothing. The world is flat, we never landed on the moon . . .

Who is paying this guy?

#119 9Iron

I'm beginning to wonder about Fox.

Yesterday they ran a story about SCOTUS overturning the TX death row conviction of the black guy who was convicted back in the '80s by an all-white jury in Dallas County (I remember the jury-selection scandals, late in DA Henry Wade's tenure).

The reporter was next talking about how SCOTUS had recently struck down the death penalty for killers under the age of 18, and how a "nationwide consensus" supported the Court's action. I thought, WTF?!?! Am I watching Fox, or SeeBS? What consensus?

#127 Ed

How did Cheney spoof the NBC "Today" show cameras into showing the United Airlines 767 flying into the South Tower on live TV?

My guess is it was magic

This is what he is alluding too...

Osama Bin Laden is a Bush agent, and he, Osama, recruited some morons to fly the suicide missions into the WTC. His declaration of war back in the 90's was a ruse.

Bush and his agents wired the buildings with demolition explosives that were set off by remote control after the two planes hit each of the buildings.

Bush, Cheney, and Halliburton are all behind it, the plan to make us so angry at the Al-Queda terrorists that we would okay Bush to invade Iraq.

For the oil.

The ultimate conspiracy and so many holes an elephant could walk through it.

I believe him.

Same thing with Pearl Harbor.

Im sure the Arizona was sunk on purpose by us to. The president just wanted to get us in the war for Japans oil.

Ever wonder why none of the networks showed the attack on TV? Because there were no Jap planes!

#134

Did he bother to ask the people whose family members were dropped off at the Boston airport if they've come home yet? Sadly, we all know the answer to that.

No doubt, they're all in on the conspiracy, along with all the network people who provided live coverage, the Pentagon employees (of course)all the airlines involved etc... oh yes, don't forget about all those Jews who didn't show up for work at the WTC on 9/11.

9Iron:

I saw that guy on Cavuto also. He was really dodging all Neil's questions and wouldn't give a 'straight' answer. Finally pinned down he admitted thered be 'slavery' stories. I wonder if there'll be any on slavery today in Africa by Muslims? Probably not...

Ward Clever

Asshat was on Cavuto's show and I've got t stick up for Neil. It was a follow up on an interview he did with the pilots sister, maybe trying to be "Fair and Balanced". Cavuto did say to him "what on earth does that have to do with 9-11?" and generally came across as thinking it was a monumentally bad idea. Just my opinion after watching with my discerning eye.

#3 taxfreekiller

gordon

stay away, we have this "domain"

go get post toasted somewhere else

Three replies into this Thread, and Mob Ruled Gallery mentality already attempts to take over. BTW, sorry about spiking the peanuts, but *HEY*! (Karmic Grin)

i shall read on...so to speak.

One of the pilots sisters was on Laura Ingram this morning (a Mrs Bellenger or something like that).

She has a web site on the 9-11 memorial. Do a search on something about "savethememorial.com"

Sounds like she's really fighting the anti-American moonbats on this.

I just sent the following to Professor Reynolds:

Prof Reynolds,

I just wanted to give you independent confirmation on your theory that the WTC was brought down by interior demolition charges, surrepitiously installed for about 8 months prior to 911. Amazing that Rove and Bush were able to contract for suicidal maniacs to drive planes into those buildings on the same day that the demolition charges were set off.

Now I was walking down Wall Street that morning and just before the first plane crashed into the tower, my tinfoil hat started glowing and crackling with RF energy as the remote charges were being set off. Not suprisingly, my tinfoil hat started glowing the same way, just before the second plane crashed into the south tower. Thank God this country still has geniuses like you that figured this all out, and have a voice and influence at a major University.

Respectfully

Your moonbat friend.

P.S. Can you and Dan Rather find out why the demolition charges did not go off in the Pentagon? Maybe Rumsfeld found the charges and has wired them into Peter Jennings house?

#137 Dirk Diggler

Somebody's bashing my alma mater. It would take TAMU a milennia to match the number of flaky moonbats t.u. has produced.

Sorry Ed, but I'd have to agree with Dirk there.

A&M also has the George H.W. Bush Library (been there).

If Robert Gates is smart, he'll find a way to "retire" this guy.

While we're laughing at paranoid conspiracy theorists, keep in mind that these evil bastards fuel the insane hatred that is the leading cause of violence against the USA and its friends in the world today.
This means all of them, for every flake of violent paranoia contributes to the avalanche of insanity we fight so hard to hold back.
The Moon Hoax proponents are not as guilty as the WTC "escaped Jews" claimants, but they are guilty nonetheless and they should pay the price. Conspiracy whack-jobs incite violence, and they should be treated accordingly when accounts are finally settled.

144 Van Impe

Well, since we are all involved in the plot and have been outfoxed by the true Patriots, maybe we should start taking hostages? May I suggest some electric shock therapy for Mr. Reynolds? You know, we have ways to suppress these memories.

122 Missy The Cat

Let me know if anyone ever finds that secret tunnel. What a loon.

Does anyone know if the illusionist, Doug Henning, is a Republican?

If so, I believe he could have pulled this one off. I once saw him make an elephant disappear on tv.

Hey, wait, Doug Henning, elephants, GOP, illusion, coincidence? Maybe to you.

Gotta run, fish sticks going in the oven.

The Pecos River in Texas usually has water, unless it is really dry, and the farmers in New Mexico get to it first.

I have been in Wink, TX. There is no "h" in Jal, NM.

I will say, the Pecos River near Imperial is smaller than Cypress Creek near my neighborhood. Still not sure why the two bodies of water equidistant from my house, Cypress Creek is called a creek, when Green's Bayou is called a bayou, since Green's Bayou near where I live has less water in it than Cypress Creek.

Our geologist says Greens Bayou has salt-water fish near where he used to work (The Exxon-Mobil complex near Gun's Point), and doesn't really flow, but except for the time during Allison Green's overflowed and flooded entire subdivisions, it is usally about 8 feet wide and maybe 1 foor deep, smaller than Cypress Creek.

BTW, do beavers have long, rat like tails. I'm pretty sure when we took our kids to the park by Cypress Creek Sunday the large, ratlike animal (a little bigger than a housecat, but much stockier, brown fur, big yellow-orange teeth, and a long skinny hairy tail) was a beaver, although my wife insisted it was a giant rat.

Anyway, they raise shrimp near Imperial, TX along the Pecos River. The water is almost exactly the salinity of the bays the shrimp are native too. Shrimp from the Chihuahua Desert 600 km from the nearest significanr body of water.

#82 Shiplord Kirel

In fact, nobody claims that the girders melted, but that the heat weakened them

And what brought down the towers was the weight of the floors above. Which is why the tower which was hit higher up (less weight of building above strike zone) stood for much longer than the building that was hit lower down.

cathy :-)

to really grumpy big dog johnson in a similar vein. About 4 years ago, I had a conversation with an engineering-intensive insurance company who had declined to write property insurance on the WTC. Their reasoning was that if a fire burned for 48 hours on the upper floors that the whole structure would come down. They were not convinced that the NYFD had sufficient resources to put out a bad fire on the upper floors. They were not looking at the effects of airplane fuel on paper, but felt that their reasoning had been vindicated by the events of 9/11. Obviously, they do not make these claims in public as a matter of taste.

#129 Mystic Smoke

This is not rocket science, but basic metallurgy.

Otherwise known as, why you don't put your good knives into the dishwasher.

OR @ 132

Interesting after watching the film of the buildings collapse immediately after 9/11, I was in Sydney when it happened, and like you had friends who were there, we discussed the possibility of explosives in the two towers because of the way they fell after impact of the two planes.

I am not an engineer but have friends who do that kind of work, demolition, and a couple of engineers, and commercial construction.

Of course, we never, ever imagined it could be our government, but that the terrorists had gotten access to the buildings and placed the explosives, something someone with the knowledge could have done.

If this guy believed someone had rigged the buildings, why is he so sure it is our government? Now that, is what I think it strange about him, his surety it was us.

I'm sorry...I'm reading this correctly, yes? He is SERIOUSLY suggesting the fed orchestrated that whole horrific event?

How come people this...dumb...never choked on legos growing up?

#149 Dave the...

Debra Burlingame. Her brother was the captain of AA Flight 77, that hit the Pentagon.

#155
Doug Henning disappeared permanently a few years back, as a result of cancer.

BTW he was a moonbat of the type that believed that Transcendental Meditation was the solution to all the world's problems.

darn it, missed another hat tip. Musta posted tthis after it was submitted.

Gonna have to put on my own tin-foil hat, to prevent the hair rays from leaking into my brain and giving good leads out to others.

/channeling

Oh, no, beavers don't have long, rat-like tails.

The giant rat was semi-friendly, and gladly accepted handouts of bread we brought for the birds in the park.

In defense of the Reynolds name, I have to point out that aluminum is also a key ingredient in our response to global insantiy, our sizable fleet of warplanes.

I should be proud that Texas has aquatic rats larger than poodles.

I wonder when this tinfoil hatted berk will tell us the dinosaurs were wiped out by Zionists.

There is a great aggie joke in here somewhere.

/hook-em :)

#169 Ed

It wasn't an oppossum? I've seen some that are larger than housecats trundling along fences here in the bay area.

Ed Mahmoud, blah blah

BTW, do beavers have long, rat like tails. I'm pretty sure when we took our kids to the park by Cypress Creek Sunday the large, ratlike animal (a little bigger than a housecat, but much stockier, brown fur, big yellow-orange teeth, and a long skinny hairy tail) was a beaver, although my wife insisted it was a giant rat.

Sounds like a nutria.

9Iron

Gotta run, fish sticks going in the oven.

I run away when they put those things in the oven also...thought it was just me.

To be fair to our Aggie lizardoids, we have a prof here at Texas Tech who is the world's leading authority on 19th Century masturbation, having authored two books on the subject (I am not making that up). I have met him many times but have yet to shake his hand. We are not all wankers here, though, and not all Aggies are crazy.

#157 Ed

I'm almost sure that the animal you saw was a muskrat. It definitely wasn't a beaver.

Beaver have flat, thickened tails, which help them in their dam-building. They also have broad white gnawing teeth in front which they use to gnaw at tree trunks, which are then felled and dragged into the water as the reinforcement for the dams they make.

#154 loppyd

For kicks I watch this show Call4Investigation (when totally bored) and the claim is that there are secret tunnels under the Pac-Northwest that are run by the Reptillian/Draconian/Jesuit conspiracy that the Bush Family is in league with. In the next several years this conspiracy is going to de-populate the earth by 3/4 and the Reptillians are going to move in. 9-11 was a plot by Bush and the Reptillian/Draconian/Jesuit/Skull&Bones/Illumi nati/etc. etc. to distract people from what is really happening. Once when I was watching one of the hosts (there are usually 4 or 5) claimed he went to the cops concerned that one of his friends had been "dissappeared" by the Reptillian/Draconians. The cops told him he was a nut. This proves the cops are part of the conspiracy! He then went on to relate that during the WTO riots here in 1999 he was detained by the cops and he saw one "shape-shift" into a reptillian. None of the other hosts batted an eye. Mind you, all of these people look normal (i.e. they don't look like hippy/commies). Pass them on the street and you'd never guess.

I don't know if I should laugh at this or buy more ammo.

As a structural engineer, I'm TELLING you the terrorists in the PLANES brought the towers down.

Controlled explosions my ass! The Towers were OBVIOUSLY destroyed by HAARP!

/which, of course, is controlled by Karl Rove

#178 Missy The Cat

Definitely buy more ammo.

The engineering establishment’s theory has further difficulties. It is well-known that the hole in the west wing of the Pentagon, less than 18-foot diameter, was too small to accommodate a Boeing 757, but the North Tower’s hole wasn’t big enough for a Boeing 767 either, the alleged widebody airliner used on AA Flight 11 (officially tail number N334AA, FAA-listed as "destroyed"). A Boeing 767 has a wingspan of 155’ 1" (47.6 m) yet the maximum distance across the hole in the North Tower was about 115 feet (35 m), a hole undersized by some 40 feet or 26 percent. "The last few feet at the tips of the wings did not even break through the exterior columns," comments Hufschmid (p. 27). But 20 feet on each wing? I’d call that a substantial difference, not "the last few feet," especially since aircraft impact holes tend to be three times the size of the aircraft, reflecting the fact that fuel-laden airliners flying into buildings send things smashing about in a big way. The small size of the holes in both towers casts doubt on the airliner-impact hypothesis and favors professional demolition again.

Oh puuullleeze. All aircraft wings become progressively weaker as you move from the fuselage to the wingtips, because the proportion of lift load goes down to zero at the tip. The wing's structure and skin are made from Aluminum for weight savings. The wings themselves have NO more metal than is absolutely required; each individual part is optimized down to fractions of an ounce, to save weight on the whole airframe.

It's almost scary to see how much wings can and do flex as you get out toward the tips.

The 'walls' of the WTC were load-bearing structural steel, massively overbuilt. The whole structure was like a giant drinking straw with elevator shaft columns up the middle.

Aluminum wingtips vs. structural steel walls? You decide.

Collapsing a skyscraper isn't as hard to believe as the fact we've figured out how to put that much weight up in the air without it all collapsing in on itself every time.

#151 Ward Cleaver

If Robert Gates is smart, he'll find a way to "retire" this guy.

Um, actually, "emeritus" is the academic term for retired.

cathy :-)

BTW, do beavers have long, rat like tails. I'm pretty sure when we took our kids to the park by Cypress Creek Sunday the large, ratlike animal (a little bigger than a housecat, but much stockier, brown fur, big yellow-orange teeth, and a long skinny hairy tail) was a beaver, although my wife insisted it was a giant rat.

You just described an oppossum to a T.

Ed Mahmoud...:

The animal you saw was probably a muskrat. They look like beavers but have the long skinny tail with hair on it. Beavers have tails shaped like snowshoes, oval, with which they slap the water to warn of predators.

South America has a tailless version that makes good eating or pets (personally I don't like to eat anything I have named but there you go...). They call theirs a "capybara" and they are BIG. Very docile and live like most of these marsh creatures.

[Link: mbgnet.mobot.org...]

Maybe it was a nutria.

I have to respect any animal that would walk all the way from Louisiana to suburban Houston to beg for bread.

More wisdom from Mr. Reynolds:

Professional demolition, by contrast, can explain all of these facts and more. Demolition means placing explosives throughout a building, and detonating them in sequence to weaken "the structure so it collapses or folds in upon itself" (p. 44). In conventional demolitions gravity does most of the work, although it probably did a minority on 9/11, so heavily were the towers honeycombed with explosives.

Controlled demolition would have required unimpeded access to the WTC, access to explosives, avoiding detection, and the expertise to orchestrate the deadly destruction from a nearby secure location. Such access before 9/11 likely depended on complicity by one or more WTC security companies. These companies focus on "access control" and as security specialist Wayne Black says, "When you have a security contract, you know the inner workings of everything." Stratesec, a now-defunct company that had security contracts at the World Trade Center and Dulles International Airport, should be investigated, among others, because of the strange coincidence that President Bush’s brother, Marvin P. Bush, and his cousin, Wirt D. Walker III, were principals in the company, with Walker acting as CEO from 1999 until January 2002 and Marvin reportedly in New York on 9/11. At least one report claims that a "power down" condition prevailed on September 8–9 (pdf, p. 45) at WTC to complete a "cabling upgrade," presenting an opportunity to plant explosives with low risk of detection.

A related point is that demolition companies go to considerable expense to wire steel-framed skyscrapers with explosives to produce safe implosions, and they would love to do it more cheaply by simply setting two small fires like those that (allegedly) caved in building 7. Apparently, the terrorist-inventors have kept this new technology secret.

Just like they've kept secret the technology that allowed them to project holograms of airplanes crashing into the Twin Towers. This guy is totally off the wall nuts. Same link as before.

Ed Mahmoud
Did it have a cute little face like this?

#185 cathyf

Okay, then move him off campus (like into an Alzheimer's ward).

#189 Van Impe

Okay, that settles it. Lock him up.

Ed Weatherguy:

I forgot about the nutria. Coulda been one of them too. They make good eating or fur coats as well. Though you wouldn't want to wear one these days and you'd need a lot of nutria to make a good bomber jacket...but there you go...!

#101 Lizard by the Bay , LOL, I was just going to suggest that, but luckily I searched thru the comments for 'Wrap' first!

you know, I think he is onto something

the same people who pulled off the fake lunar landing in "69" were behind this

think about it, will ya
why did they choose '69' to land on the moon

obviously a sexual reference to them screwing Amerika

wow, this is great news for UFO buffs too

we can finally prove that it was Bush that flew an alien UFO and zapped the buildings with the "death ray"
and the whole airplanes crashing
hell, that was our new technology called
smoke2 and mirrors2
called smoke and mirrors squared

mu ha ha ha ha

South America has a tailless version that makes good eating or pets (personally I don't like to eat anything I have named but there you go...). They call theirs a "capybara" and they are BIG. Very docile and live like most of these marsh creatures.

No, no, no. A capybara looks nothing like a rat. In fact, the capy's closest relative in the animal world found in this country is the domestic cavy, a.k.a. the Guinea Pig. A capybara is essentially a giant Guinea Pig.

#190 redstateredneck:

Ahhh! So cute! They make good bomber jackets too...[don't throw things]...

#187 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades
Did it look like this?

#196 lizardbytheBay:

I hear capys can be good pets. That would put your 'potbellied pig' lovers in the shade wouldn't it. Have a capy roaming around the living room and swimming in the pool. But you'd need one of each so they'd be happy. Your greengrocer's bill would be astronomical but...there you go!

Ed,

I'm betting that this is what you saw.

Searching around using his name, I ran into some websites full of absolutely crazy 9/11 conspiracy theories. Yikes! I usually enjoy reading conspiracy theories for the sheer entertainment value, but these people have jumped off the Reality Train for sure.

In addition, video footage, as well as eye witness accounts of WTC 7 before it collapsed demonstrates that the building was not badly damaged by fire or debris.

WTF! Not badly damaged!

PEST has morphed into fullblown hallucinogenic delusions and sheer insanity. Sad really. The mind is a terrible thing to waste.

#157 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

I'm pretty sure when we took our kids to the park by Cypress Creek Sunday the large, ratlike animal (a little bigger than a housecat, but much stockier, brown fur, big yellow-orange teeth, and a long skinny hairy tail) was a beaver, although my wife insisted it was a giant rat.

It was surely a muskrat.

/trust me, I used to have a stuffed one (don't ask)

Ed,

These are what we have here. Saw one dead in the road today.

In the dark they look like HUGE rats.

#204 Sarah D.

That is too cute to be mistaken for a rat.

(shuddering) I have an absolute horror of rats, but I'd pet the nutria. It's cute.

#200 foreign devil

I hear capys can be good pets.

I've heard the same, although they're the type of pet that's afraid of everything, and take a long time to adjust to new people.

Your greengrocer's bill would be astronomical but...there you go!

Considering how much just the little cavys can consume in a day, I would say this is a great understatement!

They call theirs a "capybara" and they are BIG.

They (used to?) have one in a cage at Coney Island, billed as "GIANT KILLER RAT FROM SOUTH AMERICA!". In the wild, they're actually kinda cute.

the capy's closest relative in the animal world found in this country is the domestic cavy, a.k.a. the Guinea Pig

Mmmm, guinea pig...

Another grassy knoll moonbat. Anyone watching saw the collapse from the top down. What a pathetic a**h***.

203 Killian Bundy

Like most good Downriver "Rats", I have eaten Muskrat. Not bad. Tastes like Squirrel. Here are some recipes

Wow! Texas A&M is the last place I would expect one of these whackos to pop up! If this guy keeps it up he may be looking for a job.

...the (mis?)information these people come up with COMPLETELY outstrips their ability to understand it...and, of course, as with computers...Garbage In, Garbage Out...

The San Francisco Zoo had about half a dozen capybaras in the same pen as the aardvarks. I think they're rather adorable.

/trust me, I used to have a stuffed one

[restraining urge to use "nice beaver!" line from "The Naked Gun"]

Morgan's dementia notwithstanding, Texas A&M is a bastion of loyalty in the seditious landscape of academia.
It stands to reason then that a few less stable Aggies and hangers-on might be so understandably incensed as to take matters into their own hands.
I want to appeal directly and personally to everyone in the area not to harm or harrass this crazy old man in any way. I am quite serious. There is more than enough rage to go around but it should be directed against the younger or more rational traitors who incite and aid the enemy as part of a deliberate, calculated strategy.

Unbelievable...If you look at the aerial photos taken by (I believe) a Coast Guard helicopter the day after the attack, this was anything but a controlled demolition.

Then again...don't they demolish the old Las Vegas casinos by flying planes into them?

I'm with you, Sarah D; it's a nutria. (I'm very close to Louisiana).

BAD OR...BAAAD, BAAAD!

Now go wash your keyboard off with soap!

#42 Shiplord Kirel - I'm sorry to read that this professor is a relative; I hope the numerous comments that came after your post #42 didn't upset you; I suspect that a lot of folks either didn't read your post or just skimmed it to get their thoughts on the board.
That he is an economist playing at structural engineer is clear; it's unfortunate that he has the "public eye" at this point in his life. Your explanation that

"Age, stress, and a possible grudge against the government have combined to cloud his judgment and cause him to make a public spectacle of himself."

certainly seems reasonable to me and frankly I think he's had his 15 minutes of fame.
Charles - could we please have another thread?

Charles,

I was shocked you even highlighted the ramblings of this clearly delusional and disturbed person. I was even more shocked you chose to comment on one of the millions of reasons why this theory is beyond absurd. It does not deserve any attenttion.

The real story here is how someone with such a mental disorder could have held a high position in our government. This is where the attention belongs.

If he has trouble with the story about the collapse, fine, say that. I'm sure there are nits to be made here and there. The "Nova" on it was pretty compelling to me. But, to come up with such a theory and beleive it is possible - there are no words.

Did you know thee was a cult of people who believe the Pentagon was hit by a missle, and the plane that rammed it is actually still unaccounted for...

But Charles, you're forgetting the work could easily have done by the thousands of Jooos who didn't show up fro work at the WTC that day because they were warned ahead of time!

It's alwyas the Jooos!

My family was fortunate enough to tour the Pentagon after the reconstruction. A chapel was built where the plane hit. Our tour guide was there that day--drove to work 9/11 with a car pool--drove home 2 days later--alone.

I guess these people just don't what really happened-they just thought they saw a plane flying over the highway towards the building.

I am not a person who cries easily, I cried in the chapel.

Ah the benefits of tenure. This speaks well for higher education. With Ward, and the other fringe loons running around in the halls of the academy, this shows how the hiring and tenure processes at our esteemed universities have been twisted and distorted by the moonbat professors who will do and say anything to harm this President, our military, and this nation.

This does wonders to alumni donations by the way. Press releases like this makes the university development office cringe.

Revoke tenure for this kook. Like with (mental) Ward Churchill, there are provisions for dismissal if plagiarism or evidence of extreme dementia is present.

I think the A&M president could make a persuasive case. As should the faculty senate.

Well, at least the University president.

Is this guy an engineer?

Then he should shut the f$ck up. What is wrong with people?

To make matters worse, the crack demolition units that did the work were Jewish employees of Haliburton under contract with Karl Rove. Dick Cheney arranged to have Caterpillar provide the equipment for the cleanup crews.

/channeling moonbat

Did you know thee was a cult of people who believe the Pentagon was hit by a missle

Yes, they are known as the "French".

Funny that Charles should post this because over at MEMRI we have this:

Egyptian Historian Zaynab Abd Al-'Aziz: Vatican Delegated the US to Carry Out 9/11

Host: You mean to say that the World Council of Churches delegated the mission of Christianizing of the world to the US.

Abd Al-Aziz: Yes. And how could the US win legitimacy for this without anyone saying that they are perpetrating massacres and waging a Crusader war? It fabricated the 9/11 show. I call it a fabrication because much has been written on this. We are also to blame. Why do we accept a single perspective? Countless books were written, some of which were even translated into Arabic, like Thierry Meyssan's 9/11 – The Big Lie and Pentagate. "Pentagate" like Watergate… He brings documents to prove that the method used in destroying the three (sic) towers was "controlled demolition." This is an architectural engineering theory, which was invented by the Americans. They teach it in their Universities. They make movies and documentaries about it. They incorporated it in movie scenarios and then carried it out in real life. Why do we accept this?

Host: My God, Doctor. This is unbelievable! You're saying that this destruction…

Abd Al-Aziz: ...was a controlled demolition. The building collapsed in its place, without hitting a single building to its left or right. The three towers fell in place.

Charles was absolutly correct when he mentioned the scale of the opperation that would be required to set up a demolition project like that.
I was an explosives tech for many years. Specializing in underwater demolition & I know that it would have been totaly impossable to set that up unnoticed.
I find it amazing that so many people in high places can run their mouths about things that they have no knowledge what so ever about. It always makes me susspect that they know they are spouting BS in an effort to push a hidden agenda. No body could really be that dumb. Or could they?

#221 ggt:

I am not a person who cries easily, I cried in the chapel.

I'm starting to tear up just from reading your story about crying in the chapel.

Our tour guide was there that day--drove to work 9/11 with a car pool--drove home 2 days later--alone.

And this is why I cannot find people like Reynolds harmless or amusing.

#216 redstateredneck

I'm with you, Sarah D; it's a nutria. (I'm very close to Louisiana).

Ed said it was "a little bigger than a housecat", not slightly smaller than a golden retriever.

/too small for a nutria, it was a MUSKRAT!

I'm telling you folks, it has all the trademarks of an oppossum!

Occassional Reader--I am crying now.

Tours of the Pentagon are available by contacting your Representives/Senators. If anyone is going to be in the area, I highly recommend it. Our son will never forget.

#230 tfk:

"taste just like chickn"

I can personally verify that statement, in the case of guinea pigs.

225

you are right, the book was a bestseller in France. Of course i doubt the majority believe that crap, but still, it is a national shame. Then again, Mein Kampf is a bestseller in Turkey.

Makes me wonder, has the whole world gone mad?

#233 Occasional Reader

I want to beat the crap out of the person who told me frogs taste like chicken.

I remember the firefighters standing at our intersections with boots in their hands. That was only 3+ years ago and already people forget--they are willing to believe the insane.

What will our children remember? The truth or the lies.

#236 rightymouse:

Something else we can blame on France!

Anyway, I hope you had some delicious Thai food to fall back on?

#218 realwest

"I hope the numerous comments that came after your post #42 didn't upset you;"

Not at all. His endorsement of this insane "theory" is really beyond the pale and it is Morgan himself with whom I am upset.
None of his claims are original. The conspiracy industry naturally saw 9-11 as a heaven-sent opportunity. They started using it to exploit the ignorant literally before the smoke settled. His offense is compounded by his background as a public official in this very administration. Conspira-loons work primarily on appeals to authority, while pretending to challenge authority, and this is the jackpot for them.

#219 ckb

"The real story here is how someone with such a mental disorder could have held a high position in our government. This is where the attention belongs."

Indeed. Someone earlier suggested a search for similar moonbattery among current government officials. It would be much easier for wingnuts like this to infiltrate the current administration than for leftists to do the same, but the potential for harm is at least as great. A purge may be in order and President Bush should pursue it; quietly if possible, with teeth gritted if not.

#227 Yanke Diver -- "I find it amazing that so many people in high places can run their mouths about things that they have no knowledge what so ever about. It always makes me susspect that they know they are spouting BS in an effort to push a hidden agenda."

This guy will likely parley this into any number of paid speaking appearances at other moonbat driven universities (which is darn near most of them in this Country), peace and justice conferences and international USA-hating forums. Look for interviews on Al Jiz and AirAmerica.

Never forget:

[Link: www.cantcryhardenough.com...]

I believe that these raging fools know the demolition story is BS, but they use it as a sensational "hook" to draw people in so they'll read through the assorted collection of factoids used as circumstantial evidence in their case, all of which shed suspicion on President Bush and his administration.

Their own credibility went on a "suicide mission" to attack President Bush's.

#237

What will our children remember? The truth or the lies.

Sadly, 30 or 40 years from now 9/11 will be like the JFK assination, the conspiracy theorists will win the day.

I think we are getting signals from Mars.

I know for sure because I saw it on TV- it must be true

#241 ggt:

Read this, too. Published in September 2002. I re-read it ever year since.

"every" not "ever", duh.

He has appeared on the Newshour with Jim Lehrer on PBS, NBC Nightly News, MSNBC's Hardball with Chis Matthews, CNN's Both Sides with Jesse Jackson, FOX News Channel and C-Span...

Hah!

About 2 years ago, I was in a hotel on 9/11, and saw a documentary in which they did the autopsy on the Twin Towers:

The design of the TT was unusual: all the steel support members were not inside the building, but constituted the vertical bands that you saw on the outside. There were horizontal trusses mounted crosswise, with bolts securing the trusses to crossconnecting bars between the vertical members. Everything was spray-coated with insulation, because the architect knew that a fire would weaken the bolts and allow the weight of the trusses to cut through the bolts, causing a collapse of the building..

What happened was that, when a plane flew into a building and exploded, the explosion blew the insulation off the steel members, allowing the full heat of the ensuing fire to weaken it (as mentioned in some of the above posts). The collapse began when the trusses being heated fell down and added their weight to the ones below, overstressing the bolts to failure, causing that floor to collapse down. The loss of the trusses made the structure lose horizontal integrity, and the upper part of the building slid down.

The reason the building didn't topple over, but fell straight down, was because of the placement of the main supports on the outside of the building: they acted as a funnel and funnelled all the debris straight down.

I distinctly remember seeing that documentary, and the date, because I was very pissed when I channel surfed and didn't see any other images or film of the collapsing towers on any other channel. Even the film footage in the documentary was carefully selected to avoid showing the people who were IN the buildings at the time JUMPING OUT.

Some people are SO wilfully blind.

Occassional Reader--good link--thanks!

9/11 has changed our world--whether or not the whacked-out choose to see it or not.

Back in the 60s, another of my professor relatives got rich by acquiring the sno-cone franchise for Nigeria. He paid something like two hundred bucks for it and a lot of people thought he was nuts.
At one point, demand was so high he had to charter a DC-8 to fly the machines there.

Yes, yes Morgan and David Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty disappear too!

I hate to see when an old person goes bonkers, especially in public.

249 Ptah

Thank you for that excellent post. I never saw that documentary but you explained it perfectly.

None of the chuckleheads who propose theories like this ever seem to consider that professional demolition on such a scale would have been a gigantic task, would have taken a lot of time to set up, and would have been very visible to the tens of thousands of people who worked in the Trade Center every single day.

Pfah! Since when did massively complicated logistics ever get in the way of the tin foil hat brigade? None of this should surprise anyone, really. Lots and lots of people believe that space aliens are abducting rednecks all over rural America -- a whole industry has grown up around that preposterous myth -- why should something as big as 9/11 be any different?

*Ptah*

pimfpimfpimf

I keep thinking about the part in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy--(book) where they alien guy squinted his eyes and looked around at a certain spot at all angles--then said something like "Yes, I thought so, it's a SEP." The Earthling couldn't see anything and asked "What's an SEP." answer: Someone Else's Problem.

The SEP ended up being exactly what they needed: a spaceship to get them off the condemed planet.

#93 foreign devil

I stand humbled amongst my fellow Lizards.

please excuse all spelling errors.

I am an Aggie and until today I was very proud of that fact. I am of the class of '57 when the world was still sane and that great institution was a Military aligned University that graduated more officers that the USMA and USNA combined

Today i feel betrayed and have written a long letter to the Dean to let him know that.

Sad.

Another of my original conspiracy theories:

It is a matter of historical record that the Dairy Queen franchise rights for the Republic of Vietnam were sold for a song in 1963, $2K iirc. At the time there were only 15,000 or so Americans in the country. Nobody could have foreseen that there would be half a million within a few years and Dairy Queens would be needed in every secure place and some that were not.
Nobody but LBJ, that is, who had bought the rights through one of his Texas front companies.
Inquiring minds are investigating the Vietnam Pizza Hut scandal as we speak.

Alcohol goes good with spiked peanuts, huh. Anyway, the Washington Times' link is to the UPI...so to speak of enough said.

However, remember when America faked the first 'Moon Walk'? That was difficult to do (i wrote the computer code back then), much more difficult than now. Heck, technology is so advanced now, that computer code is not needed to show two planes crashing into the Twin Towers and a third one crashing into the Pentagon.

i think that Morgan Reynolds is onto something important here! The Twin Towers were roughly 110 floors each, the adjacent Building ("2 blocks away") No. 7 was like 47 floors, and fell within itself without any apparent help!?! The video shot can be seen here: WTC 7 - collapse

LGF'ers need to stop focusing on the two so-called collapses of the Twin Towers, and the so-called destruction at the Pentagon...all of that can be done with "copy and paste". WTC 7 is the key here, UPI clearly points that simple fact out.

America, under the leadership of the bush dynasty, has attacked innocent nations! That same dynasty planted false evidence, and almost got away with it, until UPI reported what Morgan Reynolds had to say.

Walking on the Moon...*SNICKER* Want to see humble me walk on water? i can, really.

Karmi waits for his AK-47 to arrive...a time when gentle Karmi can once again legally own a firearm. Why should i break 'Da Law now, just because of my desire to have a AK-47? i shall wait, and take many of them from the dead *ENEMY* that i kill legally. i have been in the Army, on a Police Department, etc...most humans cannot hit a 'target' when the 'target' pressures them...simple as that.

KårmiÇømmünîs&dagge r;
Karmic SLAUGHTERER

#260 S. Kirel:

Your Vietnam/Dairy Queen theory makes no less sense than the Afghanistan/Phantom Pipeline theory... so I say, run with it!

(No skin off my nose, since I'm a Tastee Freez man myself)

My brothers dream was to go back to Vietnam and open up a BBQ joint.

Ya know, I ate a barbecued capybara once, for real but not all by myself. According to the Guinness Book of World Records (largest rodent) this aquatic critter was once designated a fish so it could be eaten during Lent. It was pretty good, better than goat, not as good as monkey.

OT
Spies in our Universities

The FBI has a list of all colleges and universities that are on the government research payroll. One official put it this way: "So when all those professors start yelling, 'We don't want the FBI on campus,' we say, 'OK, [the Defense Department] is going to take away your billions of dollars.' They respond, 'Oh, well, we love you now.' "

242 Mich-again

I agree with you.

That is an astounding conjecture but one that seems very plausible.

Sacrifice Howard Dean so the far left moonbats can get behind some more nonsense.

It's really and Americanized or Democratized suicide bombing...

Shiplord -

That leads to the punchline:

You were born a cow; now you are a fish!

Thanks to the genius of Brazilian cookery, monkey stew is especially good, unless one of the hands happens to come up in your spoon.

OT

The Madrassa Myth

While madrassas may breed fundamentalists who have learned to recite the Koran in Arabic by rote, such schools do not teach the technical or linguistic skills necessary to be an effective terrorist. Indeed, there is little or no evidence that madrassas produce terrorists capable of attacking the West. And as a matter of national security, the United States doesn't need to worry about Muslim fundamentalists with whom we may disagree, but about terrorists who want to attack us.

Use Bugmenot

#269 Shiplord Kirel

Thanks to the genius of Brazilian cookery, monkey stew is especially good, unless one of the hands happens to come up in your spoon.

Ordinarily, I love Brazilian food (I'm drooling just thinking about some feijoada right now!), but what you posted is making me rethink my stand. After all, I've never asked just what exactly is in the bean-meat mix!

All these comments are Michael Moore-isms in print. It's a plan, a meme, a scenario, a skit all designed to keep up the din. When Moore's film pretty much fell flat, the next plan seems to be to keep repeating in interviews these tall tales. For example, DAn Rather(-not) is on Larrry King still defending the TANG fake but acccurate Memos. With Larry king letting him skate.And DAN, the disgraced, saying .."a prudent person would look at the memos and draw these conclusions...". He said this over and over and Larry King never upbraided him on the stupidity.
Now these WTC/Pentagon acts..cutting bolts secretly, Pentagon flight vaporized-no plane, etc, are the next phase. The LLLs love to turn an insider into a W basher.They love it. The insider gets fawned over and has great meals because of all the ding-bats so filling his circle.Perfect, exploiting a sad flawed person to bring dn the USA

"None of the chuckleheads who propose theories like this ever seem to consider that professional demolition on such a scale would have been a gigantic task, would have taken a lot of time to set up, and would have been very visible to the tens of thousands of people who worked in the Trade Center every single day."

Aren't you forgetting about the secret ROVE MIND-BEAM ,which as all members of the VRWC understand, is able to completely scramble everyone's thoughts in approximately a 1 mile radius ?

You are clearly not attending the meetings on a regular basis.

Interesting to see that the Islamic World has a list of different tactics to use in their fight against America and Israel plus the money to develop and use these TACTICS. Moreover, they have the money to hire OUR OWN to make these lies believable. Watch four the "piling on" that will also be coming down the pike on this issue.

First Tactic: ABUSE OF KORAN... The "Abusing of the Koran"..They don't even need testing of the Arab Street to know that if they use the charge of Abuse of Koran, America will turn itself inside out to quiet this down FOREVER. America and the West will pay big, whatever they want, for this "story" to go away. The Abuse charge is Paying BIG. It will help get the US out of Iraq as soon as possisble..It will help tilt the US away from Israel and put pressure Israel to do what the Arab World wants. This charge will finally Pay BIG when it gets the US to CLOSE DOWN GITMO and apologize. Just for a START. Then on to Jerusalem..the Dividing of Jerusalem.

Next Tactic: MORE STORIES VALIDATED... Ahhh Yes..Islamists well know that the Arab World believe in all types of Conspiracies about 9/11 ..All Islamists had to do is chose one of the conspiracies and give money to an AMERICAN with credentials of all kinds to validate this for them.

What other stories are already ON the Ultra Left Jew Hating Street and Arab Street that Petro Dollars can PAY to have "validated"? Pick one or two more...wait until they set it up, find their person, "romance" that person, pay that person and his or her family, and BAMN... That will be the NEXT Tactic..

What group do you THINK that the Arab World wants to get on their side to help trash Jews? Lets see if they can manage to get to one of the "supporters of Israel" to validate any of the negative stories.. I KNOW they want this. I know they "Cream" for it. They are working on making "Friends" in that particular community..How do I know?..THEY SAY SO.

Another Tactic..Get America to arrest Jews for SPYING on behalf of Israel and against the USA. Anything that can lessen support for Israel and Jews will do the job. AIPAC Arrests coming up next.. High profile SPY cases..donchaknow...

Finally, as a lead pipe cinch Tactic: The ever popular personal smear..Smear anyone against them and FOR Israel.. Subject involving: Sex, Girls or boys, money, gambling..DRUGGGSSS, Whatever...

#102 jwm

This seems to be some sort of wide spread mental disorder. People witness, live on TV, an act of unimaginable evil. They see the worlds that this evil creates, ie: the Taliban. Yet they blame the evil not on its source (islam), not on the perpetrators, but on George Bush. They concoct the wildest theories imaginable, and choose to believe them over what they have seen with their own eyes. The disconnect in reasonining is absolutely scary.

What I think happens is that they are smart enough to understand that 911 broke their world view. There IS evil in the world and all cultures are NOT equal. They can't stand these thoughts so they have to come up with a different answer. An answer that will allow them to keep their LLL world view.

#260 Shiplord Kirel

The point isn't about how many Dairy Queens were in Vietnam in 1963. America had promised Ho Chi Minh, in WW2, not long after the Jap Attack, that America would not allow the French to control the Vietnamese ever again, if Ho Chi Minh and the Vietnamese would help America fight the Japs. We said yes, and broke our promise. Ho Chi Minh was left with few choices after that, decided to kick France's arse without any help, and eventually America's arse.

275 [Engineer]

They can't stand these thoughts so they have to come up with a different answer. An answer that will allow them to keep their LLL world view.

What you described is the very essence of the mental disorder cognitive dissonance. Good diagnosis.

#274 Vickie

Next Tactic: MORE STORIES VALIDATED... Ahhh Yes..Islamists well know that the Arab World believe in all types of Conspiracies about 9/11 ..All Islamists had to do is chose one of the conspiracies and give money to an AMERICAN with credentials of all kinds to validate this for them.

And the way for this was paved by the environmental junk science peddlers. They took Goebbels' theory (tell a lie...) and applied it to science, and it worked. Fabulously. So many completely bogus theories are now in the minds of many, if not most, "fact".

This model is so easily transfered to the moonbat/islamonazi conspiracy mill. There is no reason to believe that they won't be as successful with this as the environmental fraud squad.

He must be applying for a professorship at Grassyknoll University.

#275 engineer:
Excellent.. I am ashamed to admit this, actually, but prior to 9/11 I would have told anyone who cared to listen that we had more to fear from our own government than from any so-called terrorists. I believed that the greatest threat to freedom came from fundamentalist Christians, and anti abortion activists. In the wake of 9/11 I had my entire belief system turned on its head. I had to accept the fact that I was WRONG! I believed idiotic things that I could no longer believe. In a word: I changed. I realized that it is God's will that life should flourish, and here in the United States of America life flourishes in a way that has never before been seen in human history. And I realized how very blessed I am to have been born in this time, and in this place. I look back now, and see what a total fool I was, and I am grateful that my eyes were opened. I guess that's why I go so ballistic at people who saw 9/11 and remain fools. It's one thing to be blind. It's quite another to be willfully blind.
JWM

this guy is an assclown.

It all makes sense now...all of those airline passengers weren't killed after all...they were simply knocked out with a silent sleeping gas and when the woke up they had the following exchange with Dick Cheney:

Where am I?
In The Village.

Whose side are you on?
That would be telling.

What do you want?
Information...information...information..

You won't get it.
By hook or by crook...we will.

Who are you?
The new No.2!

Who is No.1?
You are No. 6

I AM NOT A NUMBER! I AM A FREE MOONBAT!

...or something like that...

#276 Karmi

Are you really that stupid?

#280 jwm:

They are 'willfully blind' because they're afraid. Afraid if they face the fact we're in a world war to the death with militant Islamists and it may not end in our lifetime that they won't be able to handle that reality. The possibilities it extends to their children and grandchildren. Their fear is too great so rather than face it they displace it by denying the existence of the danger.

#283 Shiplord Kirel

Are you really that stupid?

Why yes, he is.

I loved this quote from the Professor's article:
---
Those who support the official account like Thomas Eagar (p. 14),professor of materials engineering and engineering systems at MIT, usually argue that the collapse must be explained by the heat from the fires because the loss of loading-bearing capacity from the holes in the Towers was too small. The transfer of load would have been within the capacity of the towers. Since steel used in buildings must be able to bear five times its normal load, Eagar points out, the steel in the towers could have collapsed only if heated to the point where it "lost 80 percent of its strength, " around 1,300oF. Eagar believes that this is what happened, though the fires did not appear to be extensive and intense enough, quickly billowing black smoke and relatively few flames.
---