Dang, looks like Charles has been snapping pictures of my front yard.

/yes, more rain today.

The US has refused a hostage swap: this is sad but its the way it's gotta be.

[Link: www.quickrob.com...]

Looking at the ocean you gotta wonder how many hostages are out there

love that pic Chuck;
Long Beach from my front window takes in the Queen Mary, too. It's a sight.
Now for some... RAMONES!
(what a way to tackle a Monday...)

Punchy colors in the picture!

Nobody outside Jihadwatch has paid attention to an attempted honor killing in Michigan.

No further updates from the media on this abuse, doing a Google News search.

Hmm.

Well, I bought some really nice music for my iPod tonight.

I put so many different things on this iPod - I love it.

I spruced it up with some new tunes tonight.

/Dancing off down the hall...

Ahh...

/Dancing by the laptop and off down the other hall now...

Charles - thanks for that photo. It certainly induces a state of calm that I need right now.
And, oh yeah, great photo!

I'm glad Charles gets to see such beauty daily. He gets a break from the infuriating moonbatty crap he has to contend with much of the day.

Boy I wish I had a view like that instead of the gray walls of my secured bunker...

Lileks deconstructs (or fisks, I'm not quite sure which) Woody Allen:

[Link: www.lileks.com...]

This is my first attempt at including a link in a post, so it'd be interesting to see if it works.

Does this photo belong on the "What I saw at Gitmo" thread?

#10 rickl
The link works for me.

#4

Evil.

I have a little bit of excess energy, and occasionally get fired up / bent out of shape about the intellectual dishonesty of the loopy left. Typically, I go berate posters on commie blogs like HuffPo, etc. I am new to LGF, and I find myself agreeing with most of what is said, and said better than I could say it.

Any creative suggestions on how I should expend this anti-anti-American energy? My John Kerry voodoo doll is in tatters...

#11 Powderfinger

Hahah...Good one.

Mr. Smith, the Democratic Underground can provide hours of endless entertainment.

So, lizards, what be happening?

#14 Mr. Smith

*Glaring*

You HAVE been engaging in ritual Koran desecration, have you not?

Where is Bubble Girl?

Someone on the miscellany thread has thrown down the gauntlett and I want to see her hand him his ass. Treblanews

#17 Kragar

It be rainin', Kragar! Ask Karl Rove to make it stop.

Mr. Smith

Go convert a friend. That will occupy your time and help the entire planet. And it will make you friend cooler!

If that doesn't work, try Pravda's english forum at [Link: english.pravda.ru...]

mr. smith

correction to that pravda link: [Link: engforum.pravda.ru...]

Further evidence that Islam is the religon of peace and that Iran is a mature and responsible country:

Iranian court orders man to be blinded

An Iranian court has sentenced a man to have his eyes surgically removed for a crime he committed as a teenager 12 years ago. Amnesty International has condemned the sentence, reported in the Iranian daily Etemaad, but local human rights groups say these unusual punishments are hardly ever executed.

Etemaad says the accused, identified only as Vahid, was 16 when he threw a bottle of acid at another man during a fight in a vegetable market in 1993. The top opened - Vahid insists accidentally - and blinded his victim in both eyes. A court said the crime should be judged as qisas, a category for which the Koran stipulates specific punishments, in this case an eye for an eye. The paper said the sentence was to pour acid on Vahid's eyes, but an appeals court ruled it should be done surgically so as not to harm other parts of his face. Amnesty described the sentence as "cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment amounting to torture". It called for a change of sentence.

Human rights and legal specialists in Iran say unusual sentences are sometimes passed by Islamic courts, which are bound by rigid Koran injunctions for certain crimes. But they say these punishments are usually used as leverage for the amount of compensation to be paid by the offender to the victim.

Read the entire article here.
Iran has replaced the Soviet Union as the parallel universe, a place where all human values are reversed.

'treblanews' falls toward the latter end of the scale described in this post.

Another teen bitten by a shark in Florida today.

Flying pig moment:

I called one of my liberal colleagues a little earlier and got around to the story of Wahid Taysir, the Arab IDF volunteer who was convicted of manslaughter in the death of an ISM tool.
Now, this particular colleague is an ACLU activist, and a far-gone BDS and PEST patient who will rave against Israel at the drop of a talking point.
To my amazement, he defended Taysir, expressing the opinion that the story of protecting children from tanks was obvious bullshit and that the tool was undoubtedly involved in some kind of stupid setup or media event. He added that anyone stupid enough to go into a combat zone and interfere with operations, anyone's operations, should be shot as a matter of Darwinian principle alone.
Come to think of it, he is a Vietnam era vet, AF, and this has sometimes led to surprises.

Charles are you saying:

completely whacked out

#23 Van Impe

Good thing they have appeals courts in Iran. For a minute there I thought they were uncivilized.

#19 jlfintx

Treblanews posts and runs. He'll make an outrageous statement and then bail. He'll wait until the responders have commented and left and then hours later he'll post and run again. It's kind of a pattern.

#18 - SwampWoman
Thanks for the Koran suggestion! I think I'll ride the city bus into North Philly tomorrow, with a Koran prominently jammed into my back pocket.

Depending on the results, this may be my last post here, so it was nice knowing you all.

If I make it back, I'll check out Pravda, sounds like a carnival!

#29 Not neo

I see you responded in kind, so maybe it is already gone.

#20 SwampWoman

It be rainin', Kragar! Ask Karl Rove to make it stop.

I am not one to question the ways of Rove.

jlfintx

How goes it, my friend? Is all well?

Not neo, trebla game back to argue the jungle, but just ignored your response about Kerry. LOL

Charles:

I'l be up in the high country this weekend - can I send you some pictures?

33 theparson

Long time no see. Hope you are well!

Parson, so great to see you. We have missed you and wondered what had happened to you. I guess I was thinking with the new building and all, you were pretty covered up. We are doing well at this end.

Hey, Parson!

Is anyone else listening to the John Batchelor radio show.?

Looks like the swimmin' hole at the LGFOhio BBQ. Well, maybe not quite. ;-)

John Batchelor? Never heard of...

aladin and jlfintx

Thanks. I've missed you all too.

Things are moving pretty fast right now and there is so much to do to put it all together but man it's great to have the building finished!

Hope all is well with you all.

RebTex

Howdy, pardner.

#24 Charles -"...falls toward the latter end of the scale..."

TOWARD?! I think he's anchoring it. But of course, you are far more generous, kind and diplomatic than I.

Thanks for the calming picture Charles. Always a welcome sight seeing the beautiful pics.

BTW, I see that billionaire John Walton (Son of Sam) crashed his homemade ultralight in Wyoming and has died.

Not to 2nd guess, but if I was a billionaire I wouldn't be flying no cheapass homemade plane with fabric for wing material.

42 theparson

Things are moving pretty fast right now and there is so much to do to put it all together but man it's great to have the building finished!

I haven't heard much about the building, but if you're doing good, that's fine with me!

Wait...wait...in the distance...I..see...

GITMO!

ARRRGGGHHH!

/MSM induced Ahkmed flashback

mich-again

REALLY? That is just a shame. I'm with you, I would have a cessna citation with a full crew. (although I would fly occasionally)

Who wants to do a John Denver?

Why is cable new so hungup on the Aruba missing person story? There is so much other important news.

Welp, I have to get me evening reading in.

Lator gators.

Mich Again
The term "Ultra-Light" covers a wide aray of aircraft.
It could be anything from a fabric covered powered glider ...all the way to a high performance carbon fiber racing plane.

Thats its, fuck Palestine, commence Kragar doctrine:

Qurei: Israeli policies are 'organized terrorism'

Israel's refusal to release Palestinian prisoners, as well as the ongoing construction of the security fence and the expansion of settlements in the West Bank, is tantamount to "organized terrorism" against the Palestinians, Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei said on Monday.

Will somebody please explain to Natalie Holloways parents that their daughter is dead? Hanging around some 3rd world banana republic allowing Fox news to subsidize them for ratings is getting weird.

I haven't had time to peruse the posts but I'm sure this has been well hashed here. However, I'm stunned and disheartened by some of the recent Supreme Court rulings (ie. home stealing).

sailordude

Pretty cold, man!

jlfintx

Night buddy!

#45
My reaction to that news (John Walton killed in crash of homemade plane) was similar to yours. What was he doing flying that thing?

Not to be insensitive, but did no one learn anything from the death of John Denver.

Had to pop back in and say that is one estate tax return I would rather not do!

Walton.

54 Parson.
I don't agree with the decision, however people still will get paid for their home, even if they don't want to sell.

Nite Parson. Keep in touch.

#55 theparson

It's just that they dishonor her (their daughter) by appearing on TV every night. The girls aunt had some kind of glamour make-up thing going on earlier, like she was auditioning for American Idol.

I don't know if this has been posted before, but Dennis Prager talked about this today. How the National Council of Churches wants you to celebrate July 4th

#56

John Denver died? Man I spent too much time at sea.

The Holloway missing person scene is becoming bizzare. Both Geraldo and Greta are there at the same time.

Two Democratic Senators suggest that the Congress should come up with concrete rules for the handling of the detainees at Gitmo.
Of course, those rules would "help ensure" that prisoners would not be abused and that the United States would not suffer any further embarrassment.
Wyden, a member of the Select Committee on Intelligence, and Nelson, of the Armed Services Committee, said they were impressed with Brig. Gen. Jay Hood, commander of the joint task force at Guantanamo Bay. They came away from their visit convinced that prisoners are being treated fairly, the senators said.
Um, if they're so convinced that prisoners are being treated fairly, why do they think we have been embarrassed or need concrete rules (never mind the question of whether or not the Congress should be passing rules for the military of which President Bush is the commander-in-chief)?
[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

#54 theparson

haven't had time to peruse the posts but I'm sure this has been well hashed here. However, I'm stunned and disheartened by some of the recent Supreme Court rulings (ie. home stealing).

Yep, I don' like it at all. Reckon they'll be carryin' my body away from my totally destroyed house.

sailordude

I'm sure you mean well but people deal with things different ways. Maybe they are in denial or maybe something else. It just sounded a little cold.

sandbox
Partially true. They will be remunerated inasmuch as the city decides to pay. Truly it doesn't matter how much they are paid. The point is that they can be forced to leave their homes, memories, perhaps homes that have been through a number of generations just because some rich guy wants the land. It's wrong. Period.

#64 realwest

Two Democratic Senators suggest that the Congress should come up with concrete rules for the handling of the detainees at Gitmo.

I wouldn't mind some concrete rules for those prisoners. A few pairs of concrete shoes and drop some in the bay, maybe use one or two as part of the foundation for a hog farm. I think the use of concrete hasn't been explored enough.

61 Split Level.
Thanks for the DP referral.
Wish Dennis was on in the NYC area.

SwampyDear

It's just unreal that we have come to this in this country. It's almost surreal.

If I were a billionaire, I would have, oh, a Gulfstream V with the special military package (drop hatch, sensor ports, hard points, "special" avionics). These are offered for such tasks as border and ocean surveillance, ELINT, SAR, and (naturally) VIP and high-priority freight transport.

Most of my aviating would be concentrated on sophisticated home-made cruise missiles large-scale flying models for support of activist activities and moonbat harrassment (leaflet dropping, spying, spraying soap and water on hippy rioters, etc.).

@58 sandbox

Not necessarily true. Sometimes the gifting party (town/city/county) take the home owner to court and force them to spend their recompense on court cost. This causes the evicted homeowner to come away with nothing but empty pockets.

will someone play settlers of catan with me?

[Link: solito.free.fr...]

Ok, I have a story to tell that may interest some minions.

A dutch blogger posted that a friend of his would be would be returning home from a country in Central America with an ungodly layover at Dulles. Would any American be willing to take care of his friend during this time period? So, I volunteered. This friend, who I shall refer to as H, had no visa only a passport. I really thought he could not leave the airport without a visa and I dispaired. But in a stopover in Los Angeles, H checked with Customs, got cleared, signed the forms and all was well.

I picked him up at Dulles at 9:30 in the morning. Asked him what he wanted to do: sleep (our guest room), eat, sightsee, etc.

He wanted to take pictures at the White House. How far is the WH from the airport? Oh, about 50-60 km.

Total. Shock. Evidently, that's half the east-west distance of the Netherlands.

We stopped at the house so I could check in on work stuff. Then we headed for D.C.

Some guy in front of the WH was wearing a t-shirt that said something about Bush being a terrorist and carrying a sign that said something like "Don't die for Bush's lies".

He was delighted. "Yes, this is America. Protesting Bush in front of Bush's house."

And minions, it was pure instinct.

"This is my house."
He didn't get it for a second.

"This is MY house. I just let him live here for a few years."

He face was a wonder. "Yes. This is right. We can't say that about Queen Beatrice's palace."

In other news about the encounter, he was astounded at the 'bigness' of the States. He said, during lunch, even the cups of coffee were big.

BTW, Fairfax County, in northern Virginia is according to todays WaPo Metro section, 395 miles long/wide. The Netherlands would apparently not constitute a school district.

Hmm... I seem to remember when the Left was enamored of Liberation Theology. What happened? Why aren't they ecstatic over the liberation of Iraq and Afghanistan? Oh, yeah. I forgot. It's only when the Communists win that it's a good thing. And they wonder why we despise their politics... Freedom is for everyone...

#67 Kragar (proud to be kafir) - "I think the use of concrete hasn't been explored enough." ROTFLMAO!

#69 TheParson

It's just unreal that we have come to this in this country. It's almost surreal.

Well, you know I'm a rabble that's easily roused, TheParson!

quark2.
Don't think so. Gov't is required to pay for the home.

Not to be insensitive, but did no one learn anything from the death of John Denver.

Yes, actually, they did. This crash was not the result of a badly implemented reserve fuel tank switch.

BTW, if I had that kind of money the plane would be a Staggerwing.

#73 grayp 6/27/2005 07:30PM PDT

Interesting story. It is true that the Dutch cannot say the same for their queen. In fact, they are limited in what they can say against the loyalty (according to a Dutch friend of mine).

Y'know that forthcoming report of US justice department "abuses" of the material witness policy?

...

paid for by George Soros.

Whodathunk!?!?!?

reb tex and van Impe,

I would just add that I have this theory in life, (that many intelligent people object to BTW, and thats cool).

"Stay away from hobbies that have a distinct chance of killing you."

Sitting on the back patio strumming the guitar and drinking cold beer is about as risky as it gets for me. Well, that and occasionally disagreeing with the Mrs.

 #74

zipity  6/27/2005 07:31PM PDT

Hmm... I seem to remember when the Left was enamored of Liberation Theology.

That was an allusion, they wanted to liberate us right into either (see Jane Fonda's Vietnam War comments on how we should get down on our knees and pray for Communism) or Socialism..

Sheer Lunacy... People fought and died for our right to live in a Free Society...

sandbox

The gov't is required to pay for the home but the gov't gets to decide what to pay. Legally they can pay a dollar.

But, that isn't the point. The fact that you or I can be ordered to leave our homes because someone wants to build an office building is simply wrong. Suppose you love your home. Perhaps you grew up there and inherited it from your parents. Maybe you raised your children there and it is your life. Money can't buy that!

ploome

I've been so busy. I've missed you though.

Wal-Mart heir dies in plane crash

[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

Parson.
I agree that people shouldn't have to sell like in the New London, Conn. situation.
However, $1. cannot be the amt. Must be fair value--appraisers, courts, hearings, etc.

70 shiplord kirel

If I were a billionaire I would have my own fleet of Starships. :)

From the I-kid-you-not department, controlled resuscitation from death. Who knows, maybe this will become the ultimate extreme sport in about 10-15 years. It would certainly add a new twist to "death-defying".

sandbox

You may be right about the amount. I'm not sure how that works. I'm just dismayed that it can even happen.

#83

"Stay away from hobbies that have a distinct chance of killing you."

This is my philosophy too. A few years back a friend tried to convince me to go skydiving with him. While it sounds like fun, given the consequences if something goes wrong, I'd rather spend my Sundays watching football on tv.

I wish that I could be as pretty
As the tree as I imagine it to be

Not as I see it to be
When the tree is a just a tree

And I am just a me
Not who I want to be

85 theparson

I completely agree. My mid-70ish parents are embroiled in a dispute right now in a Michigan Township who wants their 10 acres for a glorified strip mall/ subdivision development. (to accompany all the other half-empty strip malls in town)

The folks just don't want to sell even though the Township now controls the surrounding 90 acres. The lowball offer didn't help matters much.

It would be one thing if they wanted the land for a school or a highway. But not for another strip mall or (see above) Walmart.

#81 kawaika

In fact, they are limited in what they can say against the loyalty (according to a Dutch friend of mine).

H was not in the least bit constrained in what he had to say about Dutch royalty. But it was not personalized to Dutch, it was royalty period.

They all need to get jobs.

And I would emphasize, this guy was what we would consider a liberal, pro-EU etc. He thinks all agricultural land in the Netherlands should be given up as the Dutch can get what they need by importing it from other EU countries, and the land given over to nature. He had a point in that the Netherlands produces more food than it can use and the gov't pays the farmers for their overproduction as does the U.S. but it's not the same system).

We did not get into it deeply as my role as hostess was not to challenge his poltical views (and he was every bit as polite in not challenging mine), but his sense of national security was nil. Both of his parents were born after WWII.

rayra

I remember reading about a small plane that actually employed one and saved themselves from crashing.

It is amazing!

mich-again

It is just so socialistic it really scares me.

In the New London Case the liberals and moderates on the court appear to be siding with the wealthy developers. Whereas those nasty conservatives are actually siding with the moderate income home owners.

97

"H was not in the least bit constrained in what he had to say about Dutch royalty. But it was not personalized to Dutch, it was royalty period."

Heh, I'm sure he wasn't-some of my friends aren't. What I mean is that they can't go too public with their comments-there is a limit. I'll have to ask some people how far they can actually go (name calling etc.).

"He thinks all agricultural land in the Netherlands should be given up as the Dutch can get what they need by importing it from other EU countries, and the land given over to nature."

Scary idea, imo. Whatever happened to wanting to be self sufficient? Getting rid of all farmers would cause problems if you ever wanted them back...

John Masefield. 1878–

Sea-Fever

I MUST down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,
And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,
And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking,
And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey dawn breaking.

I must down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide
Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;
And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,
And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.

I must down to the seas again to the vagrant gypsy life.
To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife;
And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,
And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over.

@78 sandbox

They can take up to 3 years paying an evicted homeowner. By the time the owner is through in court he's used up all the proceeds he should have been paid upfront.

Man, as an AF guy I hate to see a plane crash. One wrong move, and WHAMMY!

I've got 4,000 hours of aircrew time and I spent about 1/3 of that praying.

It's very spiritual.

#100 sandbox

Whereas those nasty conservatives are actually siding with the moderate income home owners.

And our moonbat office assistant came up with this justification she thought we would go for:

But in cities like Detroit where they have alot of drug neighborhoods, they could clean them out and build better housing and shopping centers.

When I pointed out that that logic would be used to wipe out half of Anacostia here in D.C. and maybe Ruth Bader Ginsberg THE JEW concurred because she wanted to buy property there on the cheap and sell it at a profit, our office assistant nearly had a stroke. She didn't know whether to shit or go blind.

According to AP John Walton was a former Green Beret who was awarded a Silver Star:

Walton was an Army veteran who served with the Green Berets as a medic during the Vietnam War. He was awarded the Silver Star for saving the lives of several members of his unit while under enemy fire, according to the company. He attended the College of Wooster in Wooster, Ohio, and served as a board member of the Walton Family Foundation.

Also reports FAA will not be investigating (though I'm not sure if this is correct):

''Because this is a homemade, non-registered, experimental aircraft, at least today they told us there was not going to be an investigation,'' she said. Grand Teton rangers will conduct their own probe, as is done with any major accident in the park, she said.

#106 grayp - Well hell, don't keep us in suspense like that, what did she do: shit or go blind?!
;>p

realwest

Well hell, don't keep us in suspense like that, what did she do: shit or go blind?!

heh.

obviously, she's already blind, but not housebroken...

Lizards, Lizards everywhere! LOL!

[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

#104 rayra

Ain't home bunker improvement fun?

I have NO tiles in my house that can be replaced with what is currently available. Not in the kitchen, bath, or on the floors.

I'm going to riot at the Home Depot...seems to work.

104 rayra,

Don't cut all those tile. That's alot.

Set a transition of 2x2 or 3x3 cuts square or even in a diamond pattern in the entry. Then use and alternating block pattern in the main room.

If you were planning on doing 230 cuts anyway, what's wrong with a diagonal layout.

[Link: www.daltileproducts.com...]

@106 grayp

She didn't know whether to shit or go blind.

LMAO!

rayra @ 104

Whoa, tell me you have a tile saw... and not one of those cheap ass cutters? Can you still move? LOL LOL

Grayp,I missing what Ruth Bader Ginsberg's religion has to do with this.

104 Rayra

Scotch (112) he is right! Don't cut the tile.. change the pattern! Much easier...

rarya

Nevermind. Went back and re-read your post.

You already cut them.

You could still deploy a diamond pattern. You'll do what you need to do.

Johnny

#112 scotch - sounds like a great idea to me.
Just hope Rayra reads your post BEFORE he does the 230 cuts, not after!

#110 realwest

Alert Charles and Rove that one of the soldiers left the mothership without their cloaking device.

#117 scotch - uh, nevermind!

#115 sandbox

Grayp,I missing what Ruth Bader Ginsberg's religion has to do with this.

I meant it as an insult to the LLL world view. When you hit them with the inconsistencies they are paralyzed.

Bader-Ginsberg is a Jew, she voted in the majority, but no LLL will come out and say they are anti-Jew, only anti-Zionist.

Believe me, I was not, in my remarks to our assistant, attacking Jews or Bader-Ginsberg as a Jew. I just nailed this particular person in her nexus of vacuity.

Thank you for inquiring so politely and not making assumptions that led to flamining.

my first post EVER:

Thanks to Charles for opening registration again.

Great pic...wish I was there.

Any thoughts on the DrudgeReport about Barak Obama's comments on President Lincoln?

#119 unclassifiable - Not until they find that missing cat (plausible deniability, don'cha know!)!

NYCrealist

Welcome aboard!

Any thoughts on the DrudgeReport about Barak Obama's comments on President Lincoln?

Lesson # 1: post links.

How to post links: copy the URL of your source

click on the link to the top right of the comment box here

paste the URL you just copied into the little box that opens up

click OK in the link box

type in the title you want for the link

click OK in the link box

VOILA! Now we all know what you're talking about...

#123 realwest

The cat is at Gitmo whining about Fancy Feast twice a day and that the kitty litter is not like it is back home.

Allah Akbar Meow!

Y'all seen this yet?

The mind of a terrorist...Or what passes for a mind...

"I AM A TERRORIST" Marwan seems certain he is on a "pure" path. Unlike many other insurgents, who reject the terrorist label and call themselves freedom fighters or holy warriors, Marwan embraces it. "Yes, I am a terrorist," he says. "Write that down: I admit I am a terrorist. [The Koran] says it is the duty of Muslims to bring terror to the enemy, so being a terrorist makes me a good Muslim." He quotes lines from the surah known as Al-Anfal, or the Spoils of War: "Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

[Link: www.time.com...]

Its time to get out of the UN. One more reason.

#122 NYCrealist - Aha! Another NYC LGFer!
Welcome aboard!

Barak Obama has been pretty well fisked over at the Monday Miscellaneous thread (I think that's the one - if not, just scroll over the last 12 or so posts on that one or the others today). Probability is that his Grandfather was Arabic-Muslim and possibilty that Obama isn't African American (or Black) at all!

deportislamicfundamentalists.com

grayp...

rookie mistake

[Link: www.belleville.com...]

Changing the subject: I'd like to bring up something I've been pondering for a while.

Words mean a lot, and I think we've unwittingly been ceding some ground to the media by referring to them as the "mainstream media" or MSM. I think there's a problem witnh that first word, "mainstream."

When we hammer the media by calling them the "mainstream media" (instead of something else such as "legacy media," for example), I think we're reinforcing in their minds that they really do represent the voice of most of America. After all, isn't that what "mainstream" means?

After reading a Molly Ivins article recently, in which she seemed to use the "mainstream media" label as a badge of honor, it confirmed that our sarcastic use of "mainstream" has been lost on them. They take the sobriquet seriously, not ironically.

So, I'm thinkin' we need to stop using "mainstream media" to denote the leftwing mainline press. Perhaps "legacy media" might be better.

Any thoughts out there on this?

#125 unclassifiable - ROTFLMAO!

Allah Akbar Meow! - indeed! heh.

It's too late to change from MSM, which has already been accepted into the language.

#128 realwest

thanks! i imagine that I'm one of a handful of born and bred NYC right-wingers on LGF...esp. one that lives in the third dimension that is the west village

#131 Ol' Southern Boy

Irrelevant media.
Dead media.
Yesterdays media.
Traitorous media.
Treasonous media.
Lying media.
Pathetic media.
Not my media.

NYCrealist

Many thanks. I can't find any fisking that realwest refers to regarding Obama's background, but I do not disagree with the article you linked to as reported.

People (my husband included who clued me in to the sources) know Lincoln thought that the best thing for the slaves and the U.S. might be to deport them out of the U.S.

How do you think the idea of the country of Liberia got started?

#131 Ol' Southern Boy

Million Scribing Monkeys

I really think legacy media is too honorable a term for them at this point.

Raya
Gotta go with scotch on this one. I'm a remodeler and do a lot of tile. Always run into discontinued styles. If you cut them the edge will not be the same. There is a metal strip (euro style) that could go at the transition, very thin. Sometimes completely different is better than close.

Now I'm confused. I thought John Denver ran out of gas. what's the real story.

NYCrealist,

Are you new to the board? If so, welcome aboard!

# 136 grayp

My issue lies with Obama's argument that the Emancipation Proclamation had nothing to do with slavery and was entirely a national security order. Although the majority of the doc is about the Confederate states, Lincoln did order the freeing of slaves.

Liberia = exactly right on your part...studied that country in college and my recollection is that the founders deeply respected Jefferson.

# 139 really grumpy dude :)

thanks...I've been reading LGF on a daily basis for about a year now and almost jumped out of my seat when Charles let registration back open.

it's getting late on the east coast (i'm on vaca, thank God)...thoughts on Hillary in 08?

[Link: www.washtimes.com...]

The U.S. Supreme Court is allowing a local government to kick out of the house in which she was born 87-year-old Wilhelmina Dery and her husband who has lived there with her for 60 years. Why? The government wants to seize their property, bulldoze their house and many others and sell the land to businesses and developers for private uses.
    One must very carefully choose words in political discussions but must not mince them either. This decision in the Kelo v. New London case is another giant step toward classical corporatism or fascism in America.
    In this case the city council of New London, Conn., decided to condemn and take the homes and businesses of a number of citizens, including the Derys and Susette Kelo, who filed the case, in the name of economic development.
    The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution allows governments to take property by eminent domain, as long as just compensation is paid, but only for public uses. These uses have always been understood to be necessary government-provided infrastructure such as courthouses or roads.
    Otherwise, property should be sacrosanct. Individuals, businesses or governments might seek to purchase it, but if the owner does not wish to sell, that is his or her right -- meaning one need not secure the permission or blessing of neighbors, government or "society"to own property.
    But in recent decades politicians have made increasingly brazen elitist attempts to remodel our lives and communities. They more and more have welded eminent domain to seize private homes and enterprises in order to turn them over to different businesses or developers they believe will use the property in ways that better serve the community.
    Now the Supreme Court has undermined fundamental private property rights by ruling, in effect, that governments can pretty much seize property for any reason they see fit.
    Thus we have a situation in which, unlike under socialism, individuals can still hold title to their own property. But unlike a free-market system, they do not own their property by right. They hold it at the discretion of political authorities who can yank it away at a whim. This is the economic principle of the classical corporatist or fascist regime...
   

(continued from #142)
 To call it corporatist or fascist is no mere epithet. It designates a system that maintains the veneer of property while political authorities have extensive powers to limit rights in the name of economic planning. This system necessarily means political conflict is the normal state of affairs -- either in open elections and legislation or closed-doors deals between lobbyists and politicians. It means no one's property is truly secure.
    Some pundits complain Americans are too apathetic about politics. Yet in a corporatist regime, everyone will be politically involved but for all the wrong reasons. Many individuals, whether through misplaced idealism, pandering paternalism or pure predation, will threaten the liberties of their neighbors while others will face a never-ending battle to defend their lives, liberties and property. Everyone will need be on guard against his neighbors. Instead of a peaceful society, we will have a war of all against all.
    Pundits complain our society has become too nasty and uncivil, with every issue in life a partisan political battle. That is the nature of our corporatist system. The Supreme Court's Kelo decision stirs the conflict down to the grass roots.
    What are the Derys and Ms. Kelo to think of their city council members? What are they to think of their neighbors who failed to stand up for their property rights and denounce these politicians, shun them like the plague and vote them out of office? The only moral feelings they can have are resentment, and a sense of violation and deep injustice.
    The Kelo decision is a wakeup call for restoring property rights. Under the Fourteenth Amendment, which allows Congress to protect the rights of citizens against abuses by state governments, the U.S. House and Senate could pass new civil rights legislation to protect citizens' Fifth Amendment property rights. Congress could limit eminent domain to narrow public purposes and bar takings for ultimately private uses.
    Good fences make good neighbors. The right to private property is the cornerstone of any peaceful and prosperous society that respects individual rights. In this battle, there can be no fence-sitters. There's no better case than the Kelos' to demonstrate that property rights are civil rights.

NYCrealist

My issue lies with Obama's argument that the Emancipation Proclamation had nothing to do with slavery and was entirely a national security order

You need to learn a bit more about the Civil War and the politics.

The Proclamation was issued after the Battle of Antietam (or Sharpsburg, depending on what side of the war you were on). The Yanks won - at horrible cost to both sides - but it gave the Lincoln gov't the political momentum to issue the document. The political momentum was required to bring Europe over to the Northern side.

Had Lincoln done it without the military credibility, he would have had huge problems in the South and the North.

The books I would recommend are James McPherson Battlecry of Freedom and anything by Bruce Catton.

#134 NYCrealist - don't know about the born and bred version, but at last count, there are approximately 50 or 60 NYC LGF'ers out here. We've had a few meet-ups and some of us are thinking of having one in early-mid August.
If you're interested, send me an e-mail (just click my nic - figure out the backward code thingy and you'll get my e-mail addy.
Glad your on vacation - I'm not and I gotta get to sleep soon.

Aw man. I just looked at the clock.
Bed time.

Screamin' Howard Dean is on John Stewart.

#141-NYCrealist

Thoughts on Hillary RottenHam in '08?
As few as possible! (shudder)

#131, Ol' Southern Boy,

Some of us here like "Lamestream Media". Works for me.

#144 gray p

I am undoubtedly short on my Civil War history. I am def out of my league when it comes to discussing the war...simply, I just wonder if his statements are warranted. I mean, did Lincoln really have nothing to do with ending slavery?

I just think it had to start somewhere.

Regardless, I am thoroughly enjoying the back and forth.

Is there a bench were I can just sit and look out over the water?

#136 grayp - it's on the Freed Hostage Witnessed Murders thread, starting around #128.
And, btw, the Proclomation was issued after the Battle of Gettysburg (and the contemporaneous Union victory at Vicksburg) when the news got out, NYC had the WORST RIOTS in NYC history - tens of thousands of white guys who said they weren't willing to die or get maimed just to free the blacks.

#145 realwest

most def will take you up on it...50 or 60 out of 8 million is enough for a party

#151-BG

hey

#151 bubbles

Hi. Hey, I looked all over DC for that red miata, and, dammit, I couldn't find it!

#150 NYC Reakust - Lincoln not only had something to do with ending slavery, his Emancipation Proclomation ENDED IT. (well, that and the Union victory in the war).

#155-ctp

Hello, young man.

PIMF - that's NYCrealist.
shit!

Hey, RealWest!

Blame it on damn bifocals. That's what I do.

Is this the dead thread already?

#157 N2L

Hello back, middle aged man... How's life?

Hey, Chris, how was your sojourn to DC?

Gad, I hate that place.

# 156 realwest

that's what I thought...just looking at cause and event here

It's not dead yet, Swampy! (though I'm beat and likely am not long for it...)

#151 Bubble Girl

Yep. Empty seat right here next to me. You can have the whole bench soon...

Not dead yet. I haven't entered it until now...

sorry...PIMF?

Preview is my friend. Otherwords rereading before posting...

Sarah D.
Swamp Woman

Howdy!

christheprof
Copacetic, and getting better everyday.

See the FAQ page in the left column.

Welcome to Florida!

Better than a hurricane! It just leaves rain.

#169 No2libs

Hey back atcha!

Seadog! Glad to see ya.

Sarah D, it has been nonstop rain since about 7 p.m. I'm going to wade out and attempt to feed now.

#152 realwest

And, btw, the Proclomation was issued after the Battle of Gettysburg

The Proclamation was issued Jan 1 1863

The Battle of Antietam took place Sep 17 1862.

The Battle of Gettysburg took place in July of 1983.

Antietam
Gettysburg

But that's ok, I still luv ya

#162 Swampy

It was pretty good, thanks. Have an interesting story...

Our keynote speaker was Sir Harold Evans, British journalist and historian and author of The American Century. His speech focused in his latest book, They Made America (about entrepreneurs and the like who created products that changed America and the world). Afterward, they were selling the book in the lobby and he was signing them. So, I bought the paperback version of The American Century and the hardcover They Made America. When he went to sign They Made America, I asked him to make it out to "Nick" my father. He said, "What does he do?" I said, "He was a chemist, but he's long retired. He's 84 and a WW2 vet." He perked up and said, "Oh, the greatest generation! I'll write something about that." So he signed it "To Nick: Whose generation made ours. Harold Evans"

I thought that was really cool of him. My father really liked it, also...

#169 no2liberals

Hey! Countin' the days with you! Soon.

#170-seadog

Mabuhay!

Staying salty?

174 christheproffesor

whats up Chris? Want to play ask the conservative liberal game tonight? I am in the mood for a quiz from the proffesor.

#171 Sarah D.

Better than a hurricane! It just leaves rain.

Hey... It didn't rain once the whole time we were in Tampa. Got back to my side of the state and it's raining off and on HARD all day...

#175-Sarah D.

Cool!

And I promise no more 'gut' bombs, for the foreseeable future.

#177 Psyduck

Howdy, psyduck! No, I don't have the energy for it tonight -- did like your answers last time, though, regarding freedom of speech and the like!

#176 no2liberals

Mabuhay!

Wow... there's a phrase I haven't uttered in years...

#174 christheprofessor

Awesome story! Give your Dad a kiss on the cheek for me.

#142 Nagasaki

Damn, I've been wondering just what the hell is going on with the supreme court.

Could it really be true? I'm afraid it is.

Fishbelly is the word we use in the Air Force.

They've gone fishbelly. They've just given up all hope and have lost their freakin' mind.

When private property can be seized, not to build an interstate, but to pass along to another private citizen or firm, we are truely fooked in all sense of the word.

Dammit what crack have the supremes been smokin?

To condemn perfectly livable houses so they can pass them along for a resort project or whathaveyou? The developers can go look somewhere else.

Where will it end? Right now the pressure is on city councils and county seats all over the country to pre-empt land ownership of peacable citizens so someone can make a buck.

Still, if you look into real-estate law, there's some screwy stuff in there all-around, but mostly at the state level. Now we've got this $#it sandwich to chew on.

Thanks alot, supreme dumb@$$es!

#181-seadog

Gone, but not forgotten.
We all need to ride the 'WayBack' machine occasionally.

Has anyone seen the video "Wild Thing" on the Republican website?

[Link: gop.org...]

#182 Sarah D.

Thanks... If you don't mind, how about I convert that kiss on the cheek to a pat on the back?

imploder

Couple of former USAF on the 'six'.
(me and seadog)

#178 seadog

How was it? Did you use any of my ideas?

Not that it matters...hope you two had a good time.

#184 no2liberals

We all need to ride the 'WayBack' machine occasionally.

Too true.

My wife thinks I might ride it too often. What with my taste in music, etc.

#179 no2liberals

Yeah, well...

Now you've totally depressed me, since I can't get to where I need to be.

But, I'm very happy that you can. I hope you post about the sky/stars/endless.

Please. Some of us will need it.

"Check six!"

I remember a lt col at ACC wrote a proprietary program to monitor individual aircrew training.

When you X'ed out of it, it would flash a "check six" warning. I used to open and close it so I could see the "check six!".

Damn, I'm easy to entertain.

As a sidebar, any programs developed on the AF dime (or any military dime) are usually public domain unless they are a security issue.

This guy's program was an oracle based thing that we used for some time until they contracted someone to do a build.

okay...stuff / things:

What does everybody think that Wes Clark is doing right now?

This via Chrenkoff:

[Link: www.heraldsun.news.com.au...]

Meanwhile, Wood's fellow hostage is exhibiting some very un-Scandinavian non-pacifist tendencies:

Swede Ulf Hjertstrom, who was held for several weeks with Mr Wood in Baghdad, was released by his kidnappers on May 30...

"I have now put some people to work to find these bastards," he told the Ten Network today.

"I invested about $50,000 so far and we will get them one by one."

(Where can I donate)

#186 christheprofessor

how about I convert that kiss on the cheek to a pat on the back?

No. You suck it up and give him a kiss from a woman in Florida who appreciates his service and wishes she could be there to plant it herself!

Period...prof!

Monday Night Open Sea

Speaking of the "Open Sea", on 18 October, 2000 this occurred;

AP Online October 18, 2000 - Fla. Shark Deaths A Mystery - PANAMA CITY, Fla. - Hundreds of dead sharks have been washing up on beaches along the Gulf of Mexico, and officials are baffled by what's causing their deaths. ''We really have no idea,'' said Jack Mobley, a wildlife biologist at Tyndall Air Force Base.

Scientists also remain puzzled by the deaths of about 200 sharks found in St. Andrew Bay at Panama City in October. Traces of red tide, a toxic algae, were found in some carcasses, but researchers doubt that was the cause because no other species were affected.

According to AP, this is only one of the recent unusual happenings in and around the gulf, including the unusual deaths of nearly 200 sharks and an invasion of native and foreign jellyfish.

Sharks were found in St. Andrew Bay at Panama City in October. Their cause of death remains unknown but traces of toxic algae called red tide were found in some carcasses. Researchers doubt that was the cause because no other species were affected.

link

Can the recent shark attacks be termed The revenge of the Sharks?

#188 Sarah D.

How was it? Did you use any of my ideas?

It was nice. Went to Busch Gardens Friday night. The new ride is AWESOME. MacDill, Aquarium, Channelside and Ybor City on Saturday. Got out of Ybor before the fun started. When cops outnumber patrons, that's not a good sign. Hung out and did the video thing Sat night. Was good to just relax. Not often I have both jobs off.

#194 Sarah D.

You got it! I love a woman to takes charge...

Hey, how is your class going? Any improvement with "Disruption Woman?"

As a public service:

"Check six" in aircrew parlance means "look behind you", refering to the six o'clock position.

Having someone good at your six is cool, having someone bad at you six sucks.

If you're in a C-130 and a fighter is behind you, and you can see the fighter pilot grinning, that is really bad.

D'oh! "to" = "who" PIMF

#192 NYCrealist

okay...stuff / things:

Not good enough. This is a tough neighborhood. It's not enough to tell realwest that 'that is what I thought' and then ignore the documentation to the contrary.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here. Learn how to use google, which I can't believe you don't know already.

I'm within a heartbeat of classifying you as a moby (LGF faqs - you're on your own)

realwest and I go way back - an honest mistake on his part.

Hope you have a thick skin because I don't take prisoners and neither does anyone else on this blog.

#190-Sarah D.

Don't like the sound of that post.
I think it would be best that I not say anything about it, if it's going to depress you.

Just be glad one of us can 'decompress', and soon you will too.

#196 seadog

The new ride is AWESOME

I see that thing every time I drive out of here. It looks...scary. You could see the roof of my house from up there. I get to hear the screams from it all day.

It was good hunh? In a crap in your pants kind of way or what?

Don't worry about the cops in Ybor! They had to kill a couple folks last week down there...they're just a tad touchy. It's much better than it was 10 years ago. Used to have to beat the thugs off your car. Kinda fun actually.

Glad you had a good time. :)

#51 RebTex
Though the article could be wrong about the class, UltraLight is a legal definition with the FAA - certain weight, fuel capacity, and speed - like 60mph. Not much racing. The licensing is cheaper and easier.

Light Sport aircraft are like 130mph, on up are just normal aircraft. Each stage has more licensing requirements.

As to the event, all I can say is flying is fun, but if I was a Billionaire at least my UltraLight would have a parachute!

A few details:

Walton was an Army veteran who served with the Green Berets as a medic during the Vietnam War. He was awarded the Silver Star for saving the lives of several members of his unit while under enemy fire

I'm glad he died doing something he loved, I'm sad his family didn't get to say goodbye.

#198 imploder

Having someone good at your six is cool, having someone bad at you six sucks.

A lot of times, a spouse was referred to as a "six". Or "CINC house".

#173 grayp - oops! My bad. But, re: the New York City Draft Riots:
• July 1863, New York City leaders began to actively enforce the Conscription Act.

• On July 3, the Union army defeats the Confederates at the Battle of Gettysburg. An important turning point of the war.

• July 11, the first draft lottery was quietly held in New York City. Until this weekend, New Yorkers had believed that Democratic officials could shelter them from the draft.

• On July 12, the controversy became more intense when it was revealed that drafted men could buy a waiver for $300.

• On July 13, laborers, made-up primarily of Irish, marched through the streets wearing placards saying "No Draft." These rioters attacked several policemen, set an uptown recruiting station on fire, and began to victimize Republican party leaders and the abolitionist newspaper editor Horace Greeley.

• By the afternoon of the first day of rioting, blacks became the primary focus for the rage of the rioters. The Colored Orphan Asylum was destroyed by fire as was the Aged Colored-Woman’s Home on 65th Street. Black neighborhoods were burned and the mob hunted down black citizens, beating and killing them at whim. Many were lynched from lampposts.

• People attempting to stop the rioters were beaten.

• After four days of rioting, the bloodshed finally came to an end. More than 100 New Yorkers were killed. Clergy and Northern soldiers from the Battle of Gettysburg were instrumental in putting an end to the violence.

• After four days of rioting, the bloodshed finally came to an end. More than 100 New Yorkers were killed. Clergy and Northern soldiers from the Battle of Gettysburg were instrumental in putting an end to the violence.

[Link: www.nyhistory.org...]

I still love you too!

#197 christheprofessor

Prof was out that Monday, planned absence, and she was there. He returned on Tuesday..and I haven't seen her since. A week later and she still isn't there.

I didn't mean for her to drop the class, I just wanted her to shut the hell up.

#198-imploder

PSA's at this time of night?

seadog and I were both at Clark, at different times.
I was there '73-'75, Town Patrol mostly, then the infamous 'Operation Babylift' was my last op.
I'm still convinced that the night 'combat landing' at Thon Sun Nhut, in a C-130, was the wildest ride I'll ever take. If an amusement park recreated the ride, the line would be endless.

#201 no2liberals

No. I'll be okay.

Thanks for worrying. I do really need a break...which is why I'm headed to the Texas LGF meetup. Can't afford it, but I need it.

Send pictures of the stars? It will remind me of what I'm missing and propel me in the right direction. Promise.

#206 Sarah D.

Maybe she's just working at home and not attending class or perhaps sitting in on another section the prof has... Regardless, she's out of your and the rest's hair...

#200 grayp

so aggressive...I like it

Alright, Chris.

Anyone else who wants to play, shoot.

#202 Sarah D.

I see that thing every time I drive out of here. It looks...scary. You could see the roof of my house from up there. I get to hear the screams from it all day.

I waved. Did you see me?

It was good hunh? In a crap in your pants kind of way or what?

No. Really a cool ride. Not jerky like some rollercoasters tend to be. The worst part? When it stops at the top and hangs. You know it's going to drop you, you just don't know when. I had a blast. Couldn't talk/bribe/cajole the missus into riding it.
Her loss...

Don't worry about the cops in Ybor!

Not worried about them. More concerned about the crowd. I can take care of myself, but when I have to watch out for idiots (kind of like Mardi Gras) my enjoyment level drops. At least at a NASCAR race, you can pretty much expect what the crowd will do.

CINChouse, oh yeah, I know it well.

My wife actually outranks me (except in a liferaft, long story), so I defer to her wisdom on most issues not involving power tools. Sometimes I have to intercede on behalf of the family's good name, "we will not be doing Father/Daughter ballet class, I can assure you!".

You get the picture.

#203 Merovign

You're right, parachute technology has flourished in the last few years, and they actually have parachutes that can help a crippled small aircraft descend without crashing so hard. I hate to link to NPR, but what the heck.

Still, I don't think a parachute in a can would have helped much from reading the initial reports, for he was in a "critical phase of flight" (take-off/landing). Ejection seat success rates are much lower when this close to the ground as well.

#209 christheprofessor

Could be. The prof seemed a bit quiet on Tues. I might be projecting.

Regardless...the pain in the ass is out of my hair anyway. Lecture has been fabulous (well, if Calculus can be seen as fabulous) and smooth.

I really really like this math prof. He is GOOD. If he can make me like it, he's good.

#211 psyduck

Okay, just one: what did you think of the Supreme Court ruling regarding property rights last week?

Okay, two: and the rulings today regarding the Ten Commandments?

#210 NYCrealist

so aggressive...I like it

realwest, are you getting this? moby. scrollby. bookmarked.

re: your 205: no argument. We think we live in bad times now...

#214 Sarah D.

Glad to hear that it's working out... A good prof makes a great deal of difference -- I had a great Cost Accounting prof, really made the class enjoyable and understandable...

#212 seadog

That hang! We watch it all the time...the kiddo who loves roller coasters can't wait!
I watched them build it..and I think that hang is not so much for drama as it is physics! That SOAB is tall!

Ug. I was hoping you all would miss the crowd in Ybor. I hate that crap too.

Used to be you could go down there and party/drink cheap. You might have to deal with a thug or two, but nothing major.

Now it's too crowded and it's hard to tell in the wave of folks who you need to thwack on the head. No fun.

#213 imploder

My wife actually outranks me (except in a liferaft, long story), so I defer to her wisdom on most issues not involving power tools.

I work at the major home improvement store part time. I get couples that argue about purchases all the time. I tell 'em, "Let her pick it out, you don't want her mad at you everytime she's looking at it." Besides, if she complains he can do an "I told you so".

I told both my wives, I'll paint, decorate, remodel anything, the way you want it. Just stay out of the garage except for passing through.

#207 no2libruls!

I'm still convinced that the night 'combat landing' at Thon Sun Nhut, in a C-130, was the wildest ride I'll ever take.

Man, I've been flying for nigh on 20 years, but the eight years I spent in AFSOC steeled my ability to fly through just about anything.

I remember I had a trainee once (I was an aircrew instructor) and our crew position was at the bulkhead (FS245) of an MC-130. My student was puking so hard that I called the pilot and asked him if he could climb from 250 feet into some smooth air, maybe 500 feet because my guy was shaking like a dog $hittin' peach pits. He replied, "Welcome to special ops". Damn, that was hard core! I basically had to pour my trainee out of the airplane when we landed. Ugly (of course, all airsickness episodes are documented).

I remember flying with some civilians that were testing a wireless interphone. After about an hour that guy was projectile vomiting the Cheetos he ate all over the rollers on the cargo deck, etc. The puke was that "cheedle" color. Cool. He was trying to mop it up with the non-absorbent Air Force issue brown paper towel roll that you'll find in the galley of any well appointed C-130. Futile.

Damn, what a mess.

#198 imploder
Check six- there're moonbats behind us!

grayp

I don't follow the animosity?

#216 grayp

Scrolling and silent. That sends a bad picture...but you know what I mean!

#218 Sarah D.

I watched them build it..and I think that hang is not so much for drama as it is physics! That SOAB is tall!

Physics? You been studying math or something? Actually, you are correct, but the hang is the "scariest" part. No matter what the reason is. I like the end run. Don't stand under it, you'll get soaked. Not the riders, just the spectators. We spent ½ an hour watching that part. It's hilarious.

#220-imploder

LOL.
First a PSA, and then a knarly-visual.
Those ol'herc's are bad-ass bird's.
I actually enjoyed the ride, except for brief moment's of lucidity, when I realized WHY we had to come in that way, SAM-7's.

'Night all!

Seadog, maybe I'll try it. The kiddo will no problem.

#221-American Soldier

Hey, bud!

How's the painful phalanx?

Hey, All.

G'Night Sarah D.

#220 imploder

Butt to butt and strapped-in with a rucksack w/70-120 lbs on your lap doesn't make the ride feel any better either.

Open those damn doors and let me out! I hate the smell of puke.

Night Sarah.

You'll enjoy it. It's way better than the wooden one. That thing gave me a headache.

Not too far behind you, sleep wise.

#225 No2

Absolutely,

A combat descent into hell...

Get high over the field and then spiral down.

Of course, you'll pull a couple of Gs doing that.

Hard on the pax for sure. But it's all relative. Better than getting an SA-7 up the pipe!

#230 Scotch

I always laughed, because we'd have 65 combat loaded Rangers, and I'd see them pukin', but since the quarters were so tight, when they went out, they took it with them. I'd never find a puddle of puke on the floor.

Nope, that puke went out on someone's gear!

#228-Reb Tex

...and the last of the big-time spender's...

No 2 Libs
Yup!
We're the last of 'em!

Okay, just one: what did you think of the Supreme Court ruling regarding property rights last week?

It is an abomination of civil liberty. it is facism at its finest, and they might as well have said the government has the right to cease property from blacks because more money could be made for the greater good if it was in the hands of whites.

It was in the hands of a liberal majoruty supreme court and even further proof that liberals need reform and probably a decapitation before they are a viable political party.

Having said that, if the supreme court were in the hands of conservatives I dont think the ruling would have been any different. Simply stated both parties seem to be parroting the same lingo, but in language friendly to their respective party. Elephants and donks are saying the same thing in different laguage, and America seems to be becoming some sort of political Babylon.

Okay, two: and the rulings today regarding the Ten Commandments?

This to me is a Free Speech issue. Many extremely paranoid liberal seem to think this is some sort of Christian Right agenda and I dont agree. Freedom of speech is Freedom of Speech and my liberal bretheren need to learn that lesson. they chastise this and say Bush is pandering to religious, and seemingly take no issue when Bill and Hillary show up to Billy Grahams little orgy in New York. Hypocrasy.

I disagree with it in ideology, as the forefathers were very concious in omitting Biblical text from the constitution, and I think they were spot on. However, if a majority rules it should be so, the people have spoken. It sets an ill precedent, but the path has been chosen. ramifacations will be provided by time and time alone.

The Jim Crowe laws were the will of the people at one time...

Damn, I'm tellin' war stories.

Somebody slap me.

I'm out!

$#it, you'd think I was hangin' at the VFW, and I'm not even retired yet!

See you cats later!

imploder

Below is the link to my last op' before returning to CONUS.

[Link: afsf.lackland.af.mil...]

Fresh air is a good reason to jump!

No puke on the deck? Funny. Never thought about that.

#239 scotch

No puke on the deck? Funny. Never thought about that.

See? All those times you hit the ground and thought you messed yourself, it wasn't you. It was the guy behind you.

#227 no2liberals
Er in the AM. I can do the surgery here, but I got no fancy bug drugs on hand.

night, imploder, Sarah

Someone put Gunpowder in Ralph Peter's Cheerios. He tears into Gerhard Schroeder and Germany like...well, like they deserve.
If you don't have time to read the whole article, which I recommend, here are some of the high points:

Bush won't be rude, of course. Besides, he's got more on his schedule than a burnt-out German hack.

With his penchant for grandstanding and an appetite for licking Jacques Chirac's boots, he made a great show of "standing up to Bush" while defending Saddam Hussein. In doing so, he wrecked an alliance of a half-century's standing that had allowed Germany a voice in world affairs it never deserved.

The children of the Auschwitz guards love to lecture us about human rights.

Why should a decaying, neurotic country with a recent history of massive genocide be granted a seat at the world's most exclusive table? Russia already fills that bill.

Schroeder will blabber on about the long tradition of friendship between our two nations. Come again? We had to force democracy on the Germans at gunpoint. They sucked our strategic blood for 50 years and then chose Saddam Hussein over Uncle Sam.

Justice doesn't always prevail in this complex, tormented world. But sometimes it does. It's lovely to see Chirac in the merde in France and Schroeder begging for mercy in D.C.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Good point! Wasn't me. :)

That's what the epmty pocket on the ALiCE pack was for. It's all making sense now...

Reb Tex

Apparently, in more than one-way.(where did they all go)

Well at least we can chat for a minute, before I bail.
I went ol'school for dinner, turnip green's/baked sweet tater/cornbread.
I'm still stuffed, and that was over 5hrs ago.

We had fried pork chops & taters!

#241-AS

That bad, hunh?

Any infection?

seadog

When I was there, there was a restaurant, the 'Shanghai', on the main drag (macarthur hwy), across the street from the 'Madison" club.
Was it there when you were?

#244 seadog

That's what the epmty pocket on the ALiCE pack was for. It's all making sense now...

No, you lost some gear. You're supposed to snap that closed before you exit the aircraft.

"George Bush's Next Supreme Court Nominee Scalia And Thomas Clone"

by satire at myblogsite.com/blog June 27, 2005 09:13PM (PDT)

The White House has laid the groundwork to place a new Justice on the Supreme Court, amid speculation that ailing Chief Justice William Rehnquist soon will step down. Keenly aware that this is his most important Court appointment, other than his prior show to face the allegations of drug abuse, plagiarism, AWOL, womanizing and being a Bible-believing Christian, President Bush is looking for a young, athletic, healthy, photogenic and racially acceptable nominee in the mold of Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.

Both Justices believe that the Constitution should be interpreted literally with a weight given to the intent of the Founders and that unelected judges should not legislate from the bench based on ever changing fad in pop culture or benevolent agitprop.

An anonymous source that required "swearing of secrecy," informed that Karl Rove, the renowned White House architect, with a minor in biology, is working 24/7 in the underground bio-chem laboratory, formerly owned by Saddam Hussein, to clone "two Scalias and one Thomas" in a wicked plan to change, once and for all, the face of the American jurisprudence.

If he succeeds, first time in the history, the new Supreme Court will have a triplet and a twin.

#247 no2liberals
Yep, it's looking infected. I could use a knife on it here, but I can only afford the bug drugs if I get them from my hospital pharmacy in the AM.

#236 psyduck

It is an abomination of civil liberty. it is facism at its finest, and they might as well have said the government has the right to cease property from blacks because more money could be made for the greater good if it was in the hands of whites.

It was in the hands of a liberal majoruty supreme court and even further proof that liberals need reform and probably a decapitation before they are a viable political party.

Having said that, if the supreme court were in the hands of conservatives I dont think the ruling would have been any different. Simply stated both parties seem to be parroting the same lingo, but in language friendly to their respective party. Elephants and donks are saying the same thing in different laguage, and America seems to be becoming some sort of political Babylon.

Agree with all but the last paragraph. The court was split 5-4, AIR on this. One more conservative judge and this travesty could have been avoided. With respect to Repubs and Demons saying the same things in different fashions, I think we are seeing "eledonks" on some issues but not very many...

This to me is a Free Speech issue. Many extremely paranoid liberal seem to think this is some sort of Christian Right agenda and I dont agree. Freedom of speech is Freedom of Speech and my liberal bretheren need to learn that lesson. they chastise this and say Bush is pandering to religious, and seemingly take no issue when Bill and Hillary show up to Billy Grahams little orgy in New York. Hypocrasy.

I disagree with it in ideology, as the forefathers were very concious in omitting Biblical text from the constitution, and I think they were spot on. However, if a majority rules it should be so, the people have spoken. It sets an ill precedent, but the path has been chosen. ramifacations will be provided by time and time alone.

The Jim Crowe laws were the will of the people at one time...

Again, agree by and large. I disagree on one thing, though. I thought the Constitition was supposed to have been written (as you can tell, I'n no lawyer or constitutional scholar) such that the majority could not simply vote to take away rights and civil liberties of minority citizens. In other words, regardless of the wishes of the majority, they couldn't, say, vote to outlaw a particular religion.

Chris
Majority rules...at the pleasure of the minority.

#251-AS

Well s**t!
Eat the pain, brother, this too shall pass.
I hate stupid s**t like that to happen.
Hope the bone is okay, and is only tissue damage.

#252 christheprofessor

Again, agree by and large. I disagree on one thing, though. I thought the Constitition was supposed to have been written (as you can tell, I'n no lawyer or constitutional scholar) such that the majority could not simply vote to take away rights and civil liberties of minority citizens. In other words, regardless of the wishes of the majority, they couldn't, say, vote to outlaw a particular religion.

You are correct, which is why we can't outlaw islam here, tempting as that is. "Congress shall make no law...".
The court has subverted the Constitution through creative interpretation, based on layer upon layer of excrement precedent.

RebTex

Especially in the Senate...

no2libs
ChristheProf
Sarah

Good Evenging, everyone!

PIMF

Good Evening...

Reb Tex

I checked, and the MotoGP race will not be replayed tomorrow.
So I can tell you, without ruining it for anybody.
Rossi won. Again!

AS 251

Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Rebtex

You too, evening Reb!

#256 AS

Somebody was saying on the radio today (probably Rush) that Thomas, in his dissent to one of these shitty rulings, said essentially that we've screwed all this up and rather than continuing to build bad law on bad precedent, the court should start from scratch again and go to the Constitution when deciding these cases...

#255 no2liberals
It's stupid, all right. The injury was stupid, passing the Ft. Wayne VA hospital yesterday was stupid, seeing one of our docs last night in my own ER and not getting anything done was stupid (though it didn't look quite so bad last night).

#258-BG

Uhhh, good EVENING.
(I told you, it's pronounced tuh'kill'ya)

Hola, Bonita!

Bubbles

Hiya! Mentioned this above, not sure if you saw it, I looked for at red Miata in DC, never could find it!

267 Chris

Did you have fun? He lives next to the Zoo...

American Soldier

Going to bed but...one short story.

Training jump; nice young man doesn't have the proscribed weight in his pack(90s), grabs some rocks of a small cantalope size and places them in his ruck pockets and...one pocket isn't properly snapped or taped cuz he was in a hurry.

Exit, all's well---NOT.

Rock fellout and canned him right in the skull.

He was okay. He'll remember the event but it's not something to brag about, not something you tell the guys at the bar when you tell "there I was" stories.. Funny later that day though. He had a helluva landing.

#261 Bubble Girl
Yes, Mother.

#263 christheprofessor
That makes WAY too much sense for it to happen, 'specially with the current composition of the Court; not to mention the lawyers' lobby. Gosh, if we used common sense, any intelligent and reasonably well-educated person could represent themselves in court.

no2libs

thu kill ya? Hmmm... I must be dense tonight, or a little denser than usual... lol lol

So the count down continues...

#264-AS

I was speaking to the accident itself.
All the other is personal decision-making, which I refuse to comment on.
(for very good reason's, which are CLASSIFIED)

Bubbles

Yes, I did. Didn't have much time for seeing things, went to the International Spy Museum and brought back this interesting story to tell.

269 scotch
That's why I NEVER leave operable fixed-wings while they're still in the air. G'night.

#271-BG

I should have been more clear.
It's not tequila, it's tuhkillya! LOL.

#270 AS

Gosh, if we used common sense, any intelligent and reasonably well-educated person could represent themselves in court.

Funny you say that, becuase I understand there is no requirement for one to be a lawyer to serve on the Supreme Court! Could be an urban legend, though...

Bubble Girl

Pulled this one out of the archives, just for you.
Must crash soon.

Balinese
Find this song on Sheet music, CD

Deep in the South of Texas
not so long ago,
there on a crowded island
in the Gulf of Mexico

it didn't take too much money,
man, but it sure was nice.
You could dance all night if you felt all right,
drinking whiskey and throwing dice.

And everybody knows
it was hard to leave.
And everybody knows
it was down at the Balinese.

Yeah, I remember Ruby,
she always dressed in red
wearing skintight pants, Lord, and how she could dance
with a rag wrapped around her head.

And everybody knows
it was hard to leave.
And everybody knows
it was down at the Balinese.

And everybody knows
it was hard to leave.
And everybody knows
it was down at the Balinese,
it was down at the Balinese,
it was down at the Balinese.

- Billy Gibbons, Dusty Hill & Frank Beard

Help! I'm lonely, and I've killed two threads already.

Talk to me!