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Unhinged Mom Changes Story

Wed, Aug 10, 2005 at 8:19:06 am PDT

The oh-so-principled “anti-war” movement is cynically using Cindy Sheehan, whose son Casey was killed in Iraq. But Sheehan, now camped out in Crawford demanding to see the President so she can call him a murderer while cameras roll, has changed her tune:

That story, by staff writer David Henson, was an account of Sheehan’s visit with the president in Seattle.

In Henson’s story, Sheehan spoke of how she and husband, Patrick, debated before the meeting whether to ask pointed questions about the war and whether to vent frustration over their son’s sacrifice. Ultimately, the Sheehans decided not to criticize Bush in the meeting.

Afterward, Cindy Sheehan told Henson of a new-found respect toward Bush.

“I now know he’s sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,” she said in the story. “I know he’s sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he’s a man of faith.”

Sheehan also said the trip to Seattle helped connect her family to others that had lost a son or daughter in Iraq. Sheehan said sharing their story with those families was rewarding, as was the time she got to spend with her own family.

“That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,” she said in the story.

Sheehan, by the way, is also an Israel-hater: What One Mom has to Say to Bush.

“And the other thing I want him to tell me is ‘just what was the noble cause Casey died for?’ Was it freedom and democracy? Bullsh*t! He died for oil. He died to make your friends richer. He died to expand American imperialism in the Middle East. We’re not freer here, thanks to your PATRIOT Act. Iraq is not free. You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you’ll stop the terrorism,” she exclaimed.

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1 Aladin Sane  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:20:05am

She's a tool!

2 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:21:01am
3 FreakyBoy  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:22:15am

Hey Cindy, NIck Berg's father called and he wants his schtick back.

4 zulubaby  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:23:39am
You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you’ll stop the terrorism,” she exclaimed.

Eff off.

5 AG in Houston  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:23:43am

Principled.

Something we don't have much in PC-land.

6 Model4  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:23:59am

She makes one good point: If we hadn't had all those troops stationed in Iraq, the attacks of 9/11 never would have happened.

Just another Kerry voter, happily amplified by the press.

7 corbusier  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:24:38am

When I found out about that story from Drudge, I instantly knew that she did not orchestrate her protest all alone. She’s part of an ongoing strategy by leftist groups to grab media attention. She’s apparently ‘camping’ with others in Crawford. Who are they? Let me guess…

8 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:25:07am

It always seems to come back to Israel, doesn't it?

How is it that 10 million Jews can scare 250 million Arabs and untold numbers of moonbats so badly?

9 American Soldier  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:25:38am

What, no hat tip? Casey's mom

10 mbruce  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:25:47am

Man,memorized the full moonbat talking points in a hurry,she did.Do they have some great devices and methods to get these tools up to speed this quickly or do they have a proclivity for insane statements to begin with?

11 Beagle  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:25:47am

The delicate natural balance of stupidity must be maintained. Lady, when you're appearing in Counterpunch it's time to get some new friends.

12 Orbit Rain  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:26:26am

...yep, there's definitely some stupid people among us...

13 Poitiers-Lepanto  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:26:53am

Good job Sheehan, bin laden is happy, you repeat exactly his words.

Honor to "your" Son.
Shame on you.

14 Aladin Sane  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:27:14am

Beagle

The delicate natural balance of stupidity must be maintained

You still working on that unified stupidity theory?

LOL

15 Smit  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:28:24am
get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine

and give Spain Al Andalus back to the Moors, get the Russians out of Chechnya, the Indians out of Kashmir, the British out of London, and then there'll be peace.

16 right wing zephyr  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:28:30am

a successful brainwashing is an ugly thing to behold.

17 Obi-wan  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:28:34am

Can you say:
"Useful idiot?"

I thought you could.

18 starfox5253  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:29:03am

Does she really think he'll meet with her again? Camping out in front of the ranch and playing to the media is like a 3-year-old throwing a fit to get their way. If you give in, it's just that much worse the next time. What a crappy and dumb situation.

19 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:29:46am
20 BXEKLT  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:30:28am

why is it taking our military so long to win in iraq? it must not be as good as I thought.

21 Austin Conservative  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:30:29am

I feel your pain mom and I honor your son's sacrafice for this country, but ya shoulda stuck with your first interview rather than let the LLL Moonbats use you and twist your emotions into feeling more pain and emptyness for much longer than necessary.

I actually feel sorry for you, but you did bring it upon yourself.

22 Americain  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:30:53am

Cindy Sheehan:

STFU & STFD

23 Obi-wan  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:30:58am

Don't forget that August is the slowest news month of the year.

24 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:31:03am

Somebody please tell me. Where, oh where is that oil we went to war for ?

25 big L  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:31:06am

.and no one will criticize the f*cking terrorist merceneary scumbags who are really doing this. Plus there is no positive, real stories about what our men and women in uniform are doing over there it is all one hand clapping...

the stories of the friken century in Iraqand not one reporter will cover them, all because of BDS.

Cindy like a lot of these grieving folks are being flattered into these extreme positions.

I wish the govt would speakout more about the progress in the ME because their silence on it is creating a big problem. No one knows what is going really going on.
I see a lot of Iraq veterans when they are on vacations and they are so repectful and committed to the Iraq theatre. 'Yes sir I'm going back after my vacation. I have a job to finish." they say, to a one.

26 Beagle  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:31:59am

#14 Aladin Sane

You still working on that unified stupidity theory?


I hadn't planned to until I read her comments in Counterpunch. Suddenly our precious balance of stupidity seemed relevant.

I wouldn't want caring, feeling, malleable, people to be silent. I guess it's too much to ask that they do their factual homework before spouting off.

27 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:32:06am

Sad and pathetic.

28 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:32:11am
"You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you'll stop the terrorism,"

What is wrong with these people that they are so stupid?

29 Matticus Finch  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:32:26am

It's sad, really. Somebody got to this woman. It's only natural, after losing a son, to question why he died. It sounds like she did the first time around, but realized that Bush is a pricipled man who is honestly doing what he knows is best.

It didn't take long for some loony group to grab her and leverage her grief for their own benefit. Bastards. Of course, the MSM is lapping it up like my dog laps up leftover hamburger helper.

30 American Soldier  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:32:49am

#20 BXEKLT

why is it taking our military so long to win in iraq? it must not be as good as I thought.


Was there supposed to be a /sarc tag with that? If not, you can re-install your head up your ass.

31 Rick Moore  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:33:01am

I think this shows the dangers of a bored press corps. Someone obviously got to this lady.

32 DIAMONDMASC  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:33:33am

I have looked thru a number of large newspapers from the NYT to the miami herald to my own SF chrapicle to find some mention of the fact that president bush already met with this unhinged women, surprise! nothing, you would think that thanks to the blogs media bias might diminish a little, fat chance

33 Aladin Sane  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:33:51am

#25 big L

Plus there is no positive, real stories about what our men and women in uniform are doing over there it is all one hand clapping...

You'd think if Greta can make a career out of covering Natalee Holloway, that someone at Fox could start covering the positive stuff happening in Iraq...

34 scoreboard44  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:33:52am

She has basically lost it.

A mother who has had too much time to think after the loss of her son.

The initial visit she had with the President, is now gone in her mind.

She has become delusional and I agree with everyone who has mentioned before, that she has become a tool of the extreme left.

She's basically grieved herself into believing something different.

35 acwgusa  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:34:01am

#8

I swear, I think it all could be blamed on the small d*ck phenomenon. The Israeli's whupped 3 Arab countries (3 or more, my brain isn't working) in the 6 Day war, and they've been whining about it ever since.

It's kind of like what would happen if New York got its ass kicked by Rhode Island.

36 BignJames  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:34:38am

Terminal Stupidity

37 Tinker  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:34:58am

"Israel out of Palestine". She sounds very level-headed to me. I'm sure she'll convince Bush and Israel the error of their ways and the U.S. and all Israelis will evacuate to America immediately.

Anyone catch O'Reilly yesterday? He debunked this muddleheaded woman's position yesterday and also pointed out that the maestro working the puppet strings on her is some guy called Al Husseini, who 2 days after 9/11 on the O'Reilly Factor said that Colin Powell wanted to bomb Iraqi dams in order to kill 4,000,000 Iraqis and that we shouldn't go into Afghanistan! Kid you not. Damn near drove off the road when I heard that one!

The unhinged leading the unhinged.

38 Jakester  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:34:58am

Talk about useful idiots!

39 Mr Kufr  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:35:40am

According to KLIF this morning, it turns out her son had re-enlisted, first joining in 2000. I believe they said he was a humvee mechanic, and was not supposed to be in the convoy attacked but had VOLUNTEERED to go along. Yes, he was not a poor draftee, not ordered into danger. This woman shames her son by supporting those who killed him.

40 pragmatist  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:36:20am

Why is it that those who hate America
also hate Israel?

Is it possible to be pro-Israel and
anti-America? I don't see how.

Is it possible to be pro-America and
anti-Israel? I know that some false
lovers of America, Pat Buchanon comes
to mind, would say it is. But I think
that American 'values' are very similar
to Israeli 'values'.

Which is why the parts of the world
that hate one also hate the other. I
will NEVER forget that those who
danced in the street on 9/11 also dance
when Israeli's are murdered.

41 dymphna  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:36:38am

The death of your child does unhinge you. I know this only too well.

However, the death of your child doesn't excuse you. Still, I feel sorry for this poor creature. She's singing to the moonbat choir, but she's unwittingly using the terrible energy of wild grief to destroy her relationship with her dead son. Once she is past her fifteen minutes and has to go home to the silence, she will enter Hell.

I remember that after my daughter's sudden death, in that interlude between her dying and her burial, I kept thinking that if it were possible to just keep this part going -- to make Limbo eternal so I didn't have to go back to a daily life lived with the howling silence -- I'd be okay. I knew it was crazy thinking, but I wanted her funeral to *not* be over.

Imagine how she will be in a few weeks, when the attention is gone: corroded away inside, eaten up by grief and hatred. All because the loonies got hold of her.

Sad. For her, unbearably so.

42 Beagle  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:36:52am
why is it taking our military so long to win in iraq? it must not be as good as I thought.


It's the moonbaticus trivialis! Perhaps it's migrating to Canada for the Winter? Sadly, they often get confused between bongs and car exhausts.

43 Poitiers-Lepanto  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:37:11am

#20

it must not be as good as I thought.

And how exactly can a war be " good" ?

What's the level of casualties or the amount of time you call "good" ?

One Soldier killed is "good" to you ?

Five thousand casualties on Omaha Beach in twentyfive minutes are a "quagmire" ?

Thinking is an interesting activity, should be more common...

44 FlyingTigress  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:37:17am

One of the other parents who were at this meeting with POTUS called a Seattle talk show (John Carlson on KVI-AM) yesterday afternoon.

He gave a picture of a George Bush who was clearly concerned about the families, any remaining needs that might have yet been unmet by the military, and teared-up (and IIRC) and hugged this gentleman's wife when she started crying.

45 Pastorius  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:38:06am

What happened to this lady in the past several months? It's like she's two different people.

The Anchoress believes she may be going through stages of grief, and this is her anger stage.

My own experience with grief tells me that if it isn't properly dealt with, the stages will repeat themselves, as if in cycles, over and over. And each revolution will be increasingly irrational.

Maybe that's what's happening to her.

46 Terp Mole  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:38:08am

Malkin is all over this with The Grief Pimps;

From KSFO listeners who wrote Melanie Morgan...

I literally ran into her at the rain-soaked counter demonstration against Steve and Virginia Pearcy, who early in Spring, you might remember, hung a U.S. soldier effigy from the rafters of their Sacramento home.

She aligned herself with the Bush Lied/People Died crowd, including Medea Benjamin of Code Pink and other San Francisco Lefty rent-a-mob usual suspects. She admitted she was AGAINST the war BEFORE her son died.

I have an e-mail from Jim Krause, whose brother Elmer was killed in Iraq at the same time as Casey Sheehan. Cindy Sheehan was with Mr. Krause at Fort Lewis, Washington when President Bush joined them in the chapel.

"Mel, let me tell you his guard was down. He was real. He was genuine. He was sincere. His eyes teared while we told of our loss. He said he was sorry. During that time we all could have blasted out our anger, criticism and contept. He would have stood there and taken it.

..we all share in the loss of loved ones. I don't begin to know a mother's pain and God forbid, the pain of the loss of an only child. I have only one. I only know if she doesn't get past her anger, she will die a bitter woman. Cindy calls for the President to bring the troops home to honor her son. I say "Mr. President, honor my brother's remains and his 10-year old son whom he dearly loved by STAYING THE COURSE.'

One other observation. When I was in Iraq, many soldiers told me they saw the video of the U.S. soldier hung in effigy in Sacramento. The rally that Cindy Sheehan attended. They were shocked, upset and angry that the demonstration took place because they say it undermines their mission and morale.

I wonder what Casey Sheehan would say about his mother's actions--let alone her words.

47 American Soldier  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:38:30am

Just one tiny hat tip? One of my posts from yesterday AM.

/OK, Charles. I'll quit whining now.

48 gus3  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:38:55am

Drudge had a field day on the radio with this twit's own words, playing the "before" and "after" audio a few times through his program.

Left me wishing someone would just slap this b1tc4.

49 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:39:13am

#18 starfox: It didn't work for Max Cleland, I don't think it's going to work for her.

50 loppyd  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:40:05am

44 FlyingTigress

He gave a picture of a George Bush who was clearly concerned about the families, any remaining needs that might have yet been unmet by the military, and teared-up (and IIRC) and hugged this gentleman's wife when she started crying.

That is the man I voted for.

I am sorry for this woman's loss. But she's got to get a grip....how long does she get the free pass for?

51 David Simon  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:40:19am
“And the other thing I want him to tell me is ‘just what was the noble cause Casey died for?’ Was it freedom and democracy? Bullsh*t! He died for oil. He died to make your friends richer. He died to expand American imperialism in the Middle East. We’re not freer here, thanks to your PATRIOT Act. Iraq is not free. You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you’ll stop the terrorism,” she exclaimed.

Uh Cindy darling, perhaps you could muster a little of that righteous anger toward the people who actually killed your son?

52 big L  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:40:28am

33-aladin sane- yeah! There used to be Newsreels played in the theatre before movies and when I was in 8th grade, we had Walter Cronkite hosting "Your Are There" history series
/well maybe not Walter...
But there was LIFE magazine and LOOK and They covered these stories, maybe in a crippled fashoin but the storiesand fotos were something at least-instead of Nothing.

53 FlyingTigress  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:40:54am

#46 Terp

"Cindy lied and people died?"

54 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:40:54am

I think Mrs. Sheehan has had a nervous breakdown, and the dems are exploiting that.

And no, I am not kidding.

What's her husband's position? I haven't heard anything out of him lately.

55 Matticus Finch  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:40:55am

41 dymphna

Beautifully and eloquently stated. Poetic, really.

56 Capt. Queeg  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:41:02am

#41 dymphna

Good post. I'm sorry for your loss.

57 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:41:20am

#41 dymphna: My sympathies on the loss of your daughter. I can't imagine anything worse.

58 Abu Messerschmitt  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:41:50am

The woman is a head case. Tony Snow tried to interview her yesterday. After she accused American troops of murdering Iraqi civilians, Snow asked her if her son also murdered Iraqi civilians. Her response was, "Well, he had only been in Iraq for five days when he was killed."

I know my jaw dropped. Did she mean he simply hadn't gotten around to killing any civilians yet?

59 JEGjr  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:42:05am

"But in the end, the family decided against such talk, deferring to how they believed Casey would have wanted them to act."

But in the end... moonbats just can't help themselves.

60 cobra  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:42:07am

Try holding your breath, Cindy.

61 American Soldier  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:42:32am

#51 David Simon

Uh Cindy darling, perhaps you could muster a little of that righteous anger toward the people who actually killed your son?


W did it! haven't you been LISTENING?
/moonbat off

62 TMF  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:42:35am

At least the massive press she has gotten from the media is offset by the many interviews with family of fallen soldiers who support the war and Bush 100%, despite their tragedies.

/crickets chirping rather vociferously

63 Mr Kufr  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:42:40am

#35 acwgusa
Rhode Islanduhs ah toughuh than you think.
Well, at least they used to be tough old swamp yankees before they turned all yuppie.

64 TMF  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:44:05am

Ive seen footage of Bush meeting with troops in Baghdad.

Say what you will about the guy and his policies (i agree with them)..

The guy is 100% totally fucking sincere.

65 Beagle  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:44:35am

#47 AS

Just one tiny hat tip?


Hat tip, American Soldier
Honestly, it's not as good as you think it's going to be. Plus it always has zulubaby's fingerprints on it before you get it.

;-)

66 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:45:20am

I'm almost less interested in Cindy Sheehan's remarkable conversion to moonbat than I am in why CNN has been pushing this story so hard on cable and interweb since last Saturday.

67 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:45:24am

#41 dymphna

Still, I feel sorry for this poor creature. She's singing to the moonbat choir, but she's unwittingly using the terrible energy of wild grief to destroy her relationship with her dead son.

Which is why it is so vile of the moonbats to exploit this woman. Obviously in emotional stress, and vulnerable to manipulation. It's their style to seize such an opportunity.

68 tedzilla99  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:45:27am

I didn't see it mentioned but she is also mischaracterizing her meeting with the President. President Bush cares just as much about the soldiers and especially the ones we've lost as their families. He truly respects the military and their sacrifice and would NEVER trivialize anything having to do with them, as she has suggested. I am sorry for her loss, but that doesn't make her asinine comments any less tiresome and dangerous.

69 American Soldier  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:45:49am

#65 Beagle
ROFL

70 Terp Mole  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:46:26am

Cindy Sheehan's June 2005 op-ed in Common Dreams slandering the Bush administration as "the biggest terrorist outfit in the world";

Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of current events understands that this invasion/occupation of Iraq was not about Saddam being a “bad guy” . . . Casey was killed in the Global War Of Terrorism waged on the world and its own citizens by the biggest terrorist outfit in the world: George and his destructive Neo-con cabal.

Guess she listens to Harry Belafonte.

71 TMF  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:47:06am

Interestingly, while this story is all over CNN,

the Gorelick/9-11 story hasnt quite made the cut yet.

Mr. Turner, any thoughts?

72 TMF  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:47:42am

Whaddidya expect? She's from frickin' Sacramento!

73 Manker  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:48:06am

OT:

I hate holland

Auschwitz-style party

Dutch party drawing on Auschwitz Nazi death camp imagery advertised on Internet

Hirsi ali please leave and let the rest of country go to the Islamists. Seriously they deserve it.

No US or IDF forces should ever go in to save those bastards.

74 big L  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:48:16am

Carte blanche to do what needs to be done over there, instead of sabotaging the efforts to finsih up the job. Tha is wha t is needed

For one thing I wonder if SAddam might be running all this resistance from jail with his visitors carrying out the messages.
That sunni triangle and al-sadr needs to be attended to and move saddam to another prison to shake up his 'command".

75 Aladin Sane  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:49:14am

71 TMF

Mr. Turner, any thoughts?

Next on Larry King Live, Harry Belafonte and Dick Gregory...

76 zulubaby  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:49:42am

Beagle (#65)

Plus it always has zulubaby's fingerprints on it before you get it.

LOL! Sshhhhh! You're not supposed to tell.

77 artboy  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:49:47am

There seems to be only one person profiting from her son's death and it ain't Bush or some shadowy oil baron. Right mom?

78 zulubaby  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:51:23am

dymphna (#41)

Terrible, I'm so sorry for your loss. And you're right, it is to pity this woman.

79 zulubaby  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:53:31am

Manker (#73)

The Holocaust is being whored by everyone these days, to the point that I'm becoming slightly numb to it. But that link is absolutely nauseating. I can't believe how disgusting some people are.

80 quark2  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:53:45am

Nah. If as a country we had opted to not ever use oil for anything and had stayed an agrarian society instead none of this would have happened. The moslims would have never hated us then, and her son wouldn't be dead.
Of course her son would have probably never even been concieved as the rate of disease would have been much higher ( a good population control).
She's so blind with her grief and her own selfishness she couldn't see this if it slapped her.

81 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:53:52am

Sadly there will be no mention of this woman's metamorphosis in the MSM. The vast majority of the American public will believe she is nothing more than a grieving mother and President Bush a heartless man indifferent to the suffering of the families of the fallen.

The big lie marches on.

82 templar  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:54:21am

With respect to Mrs. Sheehan, I disagree. If the PATRIOT act was so evil, why is she protesting in front of the President's private home, rather than in a gulag in the Nevada desert? The truth is that PATRIOT is a an extension of FISA, which was put in place after the Church hearings to regulate the way the FBI did domestic counterespionage work. If the clowns at Code Pink think they are being spied on now, can you imagine how they would fare under a Hoover-era FBI?

83 Murqtaad  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:56:15am

More proof that liberalism is contagious, and if left untreated, fatal. Wonder who (paid) infected her?

84 ferris  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:56:21am

I feel bad for this woman. It must be awful to loose a child and the need to make sense of it or lash out must be overwhelming.

I can only guess here but my thought is President Bush holds no anger towards her and probably prays for her pain to be eased(along with all others who have lost a loved one fighting for this country) no matter what she says about him. And I firmly believe her 'revised' version of their meeting is a figment of her grief wracked imagination, there are too many other stories from people about Bush's compassion and sincerity in these meetings.

So, if he can take it, so can I.

Now as for the tools on the left who exploit this woman's pain for their own ends, well they are an entirely different case. They are the lowest of the low and deserve nothing but contempt.

85 Van Impe  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:59:49am

More ravings from "Mom" about her appearance on Larry King:

My absolute favorite guest of the evening was Sen. John Warner, powerful chair of the Senate Armed Disservices Committee. Of course, he fell in lockstep behind his Führer and praised the speech and how, although we have "all" paid a terrible price for this invasion and occupation, bringing freedom and democracy to the Iraqi people is worth all the sacrifices that the world is making. I sat in the Green Room with Sen. Warner's entourage. I wondered (even out loud) what price they have paid for our administration's misdeeds in Iraq. They all looked like happy, well-fed, well-dressed, well-educated, and well-hydrated Americans. They looked to me like they had plenty of electricity to blow-dry their hair and charge their cell phones and laptops. They looked like they had quite a nice supply of clean drinking water and fresh food. I sincerely doubt if any of them had a loved one ripped from their lives by a car bomb, IED, or bullet in an ambush. I wondered who the "we" was that John Warner spoke of. I spoke with John Warner after his interview and told him unless he was prepared to sacrifice even a good night's sleep over this senseless and criminal war, then he should work on ending it, not prolonging the carnage. He told me that I was "entitled to my opinion," but he would respectfully have to disagree with me. That was awfully Constitutional of him!
After my brief advocacy for peace, my position was refuted by another Mom whose son was killed in Iraq in 2003 who said she "totally disagrees" with me and "feels sorry" for me. Well, you know what? I ache for her blindness and for the millions of sheeple who have had the wool pulled over their eyes by the bunch of hypocritical, bad shepherds who are running a disastrous herd over the world. I have distressing news for the Soccer Safety Moms and the NASCAR Dads who are such ardent supporters of this administration and war: Your grandchildren and children who will be entering Kindergarten this fall will be fighting George's endless war if he gets his way and is allowed to continue spreading the cancer of imperialism in the Middle-East. Donny Rumsfeld said we could be in Iraq for another dozen years. Does anybody think with all the billions of dollars that are being poured into constructing super-sized bases in Iraq that the war machine plans on relinquishing the cash-cow that is that poor, unfortunate land anytime soon? Think about it when you tuck your child into bed tonight.

Note the reference to GWB as the "Fuhrer". Out of respect for her son, I will refrain from commenting further on this sad woman. link to the ravings of a grief stricken mother.

86 JEGjr  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:00:40am

From "The Corner":

"In her interview with Air America, Sheehan encouraged listeners to..."

Donate heavily.

87 ArcherB  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:00:52am

Her son would be sickened if he were still around. I'm almost glad he was spared this.

88 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:02:02am

Slightly OT, St. Dymphna is the patron saint for problems regarding mental and emotional illness, and of, if I'm not mistaken, adult children of alcoholics (ACOAs).

My wife, ever the holy woman, would say we should be praying for St. Dymphna's intercession, on behalf of Mrs. Sheehan.

89 Joel  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:02:16am
You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you’ll stop the terrorism,” she exclaimed.


Fuck you, you deranged lunatic!

90 Mentat  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:02:42am
He died for oil.

Again, I would ask those on the left who continue to beat the "no blood for oil" horse, what are we doing in Afghanistan? They have no oil for us to steal!

And what about the cost of this war? We could have refilled the strategic oil reserve multiple times with the cost of this war.

And if it was all about oil, why didn't we just invade Saudi Arabia or Nigeria or Venezuela or Canada for that matter?

Here is a copy of a post that I made on Jihad Watch:

If the Iraq war was about oil, the US could have just stayed at home and spent the money that they have spent and will spend on this war on oil. So far the US has spent about $100 Billion dollars and before all has been said and done, they may spend upwards of $300 Billion dollars. So, let's do the math. At current prices of $40 a barrel, $300 Billion dollars would be 75 BILLION BARRELS OF OIL! By contrast, the strategic oil reserve contains currently about 600 million barrels of oil ([Link: www.us-israel.org...] Again, if we do the math then, if my estimate of what the US will eventually spend on Iraq comes close to $300 Billion, then the US could have purchased the equivalent of 125 strategic oil reserves.

Finally, if the US just wanted oil, they could have just invaded Canada. Including the oil sands, Canada has proven reserves of 180 billion barrels which is greater than that of Iraq. ([Link: www.rense.com...]

91 zulubaby  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:03:33am
Her son would be sickened if he were still around. I'm almost glad he was spared this.

You have no idea what would sicken her son and that's a bloody awful thing to say.

92 Beagle  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:04:19am

#85
quoting the tool:

I sincerely doubt if any of them had a loved one ripped from their lives by a car bomb, IED, or bullet in an ambush


Some of them lost loved ones to disease, convience store shootings, or car accidents so they don't get a billion watt megaphone to shout inanities all frickin' day.

93 Joel  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:04:33am

Last night after work I was entering the West 4th Street subway station when a young woman exited with a button that said "Is it Fascism yet"? I thought "the very fact that you are not afraid to wear that idiotic button answers your question you dim wit"?

94 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:04:41am

#82 templar

Don't confuse them with facts and logic. Over at the left, cognitive dissonance reigns.

95 reggie  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:04:47am

I've seen how vulnerable people become when they lose a loved one. Not me, personally, but friends of ours that lost someone in Iraq.

That information is public, and maybe that's how they ended up on the receiving end of so much "fan" mail telling them how awful their son was. They told us about it and we all just wrote it off to moonbat syndrome. But then other friends of ours that also suffered a loss started getting the same exact stuff sent to them. Not just the same topical crap like Halliburton this, and Downing Street that, but the same exact articles and letters.

There's no chance that either of our friends is going to be swayed by these (like I said, they're our friends). But I find it interesting that there are actually organizations out there trying to turn these heroes' loved ones into victims so they can be exploited. I guess Sheehan is like the golden ring for their efforts.

96 freedomplow  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:05:43am

She is connected to Michael Moore. That explains why DU and CNN are in love.

97 SaneInMN  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:05:56am

84. ferris, someone referred to the members of the MSM who exploit people like Sheehan as "grief-pimps". Remember, Bush is not allowed EVER to refer to 9-11, or land on Naval vessels, or talk about Iraqis who voted in the Jan. elections. But put an anti-Bush 9-11 victim's spouse on TV(or family member who has lost a loved one in Iraq or Afghanistan) and thats labelled as "truth seeking". History will call these traitors to the carpet, however, the truth will not be told to the masses for decades.

98 Beagle  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:07:18am

Can I buy an "en" for convenience?

This lady is really beginning to get on my nerves. She's gotten more than her fifteen minutes and completely wasted it.

99 Retread  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:09:12am

Is her husband camping out with her in Crawford? He was with her at the meeting with Bush. Does his absence now indicate his disagreement with her present position?

There's a bit of the story I haven't seen covered by the MSM. Maybe it doesn't fit their agenda.

100 rw in san diego  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:12:27am

#41 dymphna

I read only as far as your post. My heart aches for you. May G-d comfort you and all the bereaved amongst us.

I have no words for this mother who has lost her son, other than to say as so many have observed...she is being used by people who have no shame, no heart, no values, no ethical considerations in anything they do.

101 Sheepdogess  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:19:34am

The lefts goal is to undermine the military before Hillary gets into office (one less item on her to-do list). This woman is just another tool. The word ignoranus comes to mind, stupid and an asshole.

I hate these people.

102 stuiec  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:21:25am

I think the President should invite Ms. Sheehan in for a meeting. With him and with the guys who had their hands amputated for displeasing Saddam, and with spouses and children and parents of people Saddam murdered, and with women who survived being used as sexual playthings by Saddam's henchmen. They might be able to give her some insight into why her son volunteered to fight there.

103 Terp Mole  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:33:25am

Thomas Sowell has some crow for Cindy Sheehan to chew today;

Trashing our history: troops in Iraq

The plain fact is that the mainstream media have been too busy depicting our troops as victims to have much time left to tell about the heroic things they have done, the far greater casualties which they have inflicted on their enemies, or their attempts to restore some basic services and basic decencies to this country that has been torn apart for years by internal and external wars -- even before the first American troops arrived on the scene.

104 ferris  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:44:44am

#97-SaneInMN

Great points about who is and who is not allowed to refer to 9-11 or our troops.

There's a great example of it today. All hell is breaking loose because the Department of Defense is going to have a patriotic salute to the troops on 9-11 this year. Since it's got Rummy's support and participation it's no good. Of course if some group wants to read the names of the dead with no context of what they died fighting for or hold up pictures of Abu Ghrab, well, that's okay. But remember, never, ever, quetion the patriotism of the left.

The story is here

105 SicSemperTyrannus  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:44:47am

#41
I'm sorry for your loss. Your compassion for Mrs. Sheehan is commendable and demonstrates true grace under trying circumstances.

No doubt this emotionally and psychologically damaged woman is being used as a toll by the LLL MSM, but she will someday have to take responsibility for her actions and statements.

I hope she can live with herself when she realizes what she's done to her son's memory.

106 Athos  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:45:23am

It's sad that she has become such a hypocritical 'useful' idiot to pimp off the death of her son for political purposes.

It's also sad that we have people like this that can't respect the decision of 18+ year olds choosing to join the military, serve in Iraq, and risk their lives to bring freedom there, yet fight tooth and nail for a 14 year old to have the right to decide to have an abortion without parental notification.

We need to respect her grief / loss - but she (and the others running her) are the ones who are cheapening the sacrifice of her son.

107 Geepers  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:47:46am

Just another "You Killed My Son" professional whiner.

They make a career out of using their kids coffins as podiums.

Death of son in Iraq means different life for mom

Woman who questioned first lady now is activist against the war.

The first lady was in the middle of her remarks about the war in Iraq when a loud, booming voice cut her off.

"If this war is so justified, why aren't your children serving?" barked Sue Niederer.

All eyes turned to Niederer, a stout, bespectacled woman who stood wearing her dead son's floppy Army camouflage hat and a white T-shirt stamped with his wedding day photo and the message, "President Bush, You Killed My Son."

The incident helped transform the real estate agent and high school substitute teacher from Mercer County into a leader for anti-war activists.

Since then, Niederer, 56,has traveled to Greece, Iowa and Washington, D.C., as a protester, often introduced as the T-shirt lady who stood up to Laura Bush. She works with a network of military families who have lost loved relatives in Iraq and want to bring the troops home.

"She's amazing," said Cindy Sheehan, president of Gold Star Families, which opposes the war. "She's very out there, involved and very inspirational."

No Cindy, like you, she's disgusting.

108 Crusader  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:49:35am

I'm sorry she lost her son.

I'm also sorry she lost her mind.

109 Amy  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:50:35am

Here's what I can't seem to wrap my mind around:

Her son was not drafted; therefore, he was not in the military against his will.

Ms. Sheehan seems to think that it's OK to join the military to get the benefits attached to enlistment, but that if the military is actually used, is actually asked to do what it exists to do, that's not OK unless every individual soldier and his family agree that it's OK.

Whatever people's differing opinions about Viet Nam, part of the problem with that war was that most of the soldiers were there because they were drafted: they had no choice. The war in Iraq is a very different situation.

I feel very sorry for a parent who loses a child in a war and believes that that child's death was either in vain or wasted in an unjust cause. It's not surprising that someone who believes that would be enraged and would want to lash out at someone. And who better than the one who sent the child into harm's way?

But when you start asking whether any individual death was "worth it," you start sinking into quicksand. Who defines what "worthiness" means? Who decides whether each death meets that definition of worthiness? You can't run a war that way, no matter what war it is.

110 FredFryInternational  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:56:28am

It seems the press has neglected to quote from her open lettr to the President:

“It has been seven months since your ignorant and arrogant lack of planning for the peace murdered my oldest child. It has been two days since your dishonest campaign stole another election…but you all were way more subtle this time than in 2000, weren’t you? You hardly had to get the Supreme Court of the United States involved at all this week."

“If you think I am going to allow you another four years to do even more damage, then you truly are mistaken. I will fight for a true vote count and if that fails, your impeachment. Also, the impeachment of your Vice President. The only thing is, I'm not politically savvy, and I don't have a Karl Rove to plan my strategy, but I do have a big mouth and a righteous cause, which still mean something in this country, I hope.”

Cindy Sheehan and 'George' (the President of the United States)

111 Athos  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:57:58am

#109 Amy

But when you start asking whether any individual death was "worth it," you start sinking into quicksand. Who defines what "worthiness" means? Who decides whether each death meets that definition of worthiness? You can't run a war that way, no matter what war it is.

True, that is the trap - and one of the tactics that the anti-war left is trying to use to erode and eliminate support for the war.

As to the decision of 'worthiness' - that decision is made by the troops. They are the ones who are risking their lives. My impression, from reading, listening, observing, is that the majority of the troops do see the value in what they are doing. They consider the risk / sacrifice worth it - for us, and for the Iraqi's / Afghani's.

I also think that despite the rantings of the MSM, the American people overall believe the right thing was done - that the 2004 election was a referendum on the war.

The final thought is that when you see the polls - remember that some of those disgruntled may be answering because they don't believe the war is being prosecuted aggressively enough.

112 blue_like_jazz  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:59:12am

#102 stuiec... excellent suggestion.

#109 amy... i'm with you! this is a VOLUNTEER military. truth be told, her beef should be with the decision her son made. soldiers don't get to decide what orders/ assignments to obey.

113 wrathofg-d  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:59:30am

HOLD THE PRESSES!

A woman who just had her son KILLED isn't happy about it?

The shock! The horror! The surprise?

114 Apu Pibat  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 8:08:10am

Yawn, another moonbat heard from. I bet Michael Moore would like to use her in his next movie the way he used Lila Lipscomb.

Her kid was an adult when he joined the military. What did she think it was, a job training program you go into for a few years and then you get free college?

Funny how you never hear about the folks who lost their children in the war but still support the troops and the mission. Only folks who lose their children and oppose the war get to be heard from I guess.

No wonder the LLLs get so excited when troops die. Another family voting democrat. They really do want another Vietnam.

115 arch  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 8:11:14am

Cindy Sheehan yesterday: "Oh, President Bush, I'm soooooo honored that you're taking time away from leading the free world during wartime to sit with me and my family to share your sadness at our loss and to express your appreciation on behalf of the nation for our son's service to the nation."

Cindy Sheehan today: "Bush lied, my son died, and it's all for oil and to protect the dirty Jews!".

Cindy Sheehan tomorrow: "DEATH TO AMERIKKKA! ALLAHU AKBAR!"

Dead soldier's mother or not, this woman is a filthy, traitorous pig. I'd spit on her if I ever met her in person.

116 Simple Voice  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 8:15:39am

When people close to me have died- my heart was broken.

When Cindy Sheehan's son died, I think her common sense was broken.

117 wee fury  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 8:24:33am

#108 Crusader

Well said.

#109 Amy

The volunteer military. I do not understand why the media does not report on this fact. The US Military is a volunteer organization -- unlike WWII, Korea or Viet Nam. There is NO draft.

So -- any person with an ounce of common sense -- would realize that our military is populated by people who wish to be there for whatever reason they may have.

And, finally -- my view:
I am sorry for the loss of her son. But -- her current reaction to her son's death . . . is reprehensible.

118 TMF  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 8:25:32am

No way does a transformation occur like this so radically.

Dollars to donuts she was a left wing kook before all this.

119 jrsygrl  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 8:31:18am

I was listening to a local radio show here in Sacramento the other day and a relative of Sheehan called in. In a nutshell, Sheehan is losing her husband over this, the family thinks she's unhinged, and Casey Sheehan entered the military partly to get away from his crazy mother. She's also always been pretty liberal.

And Sheehan is from Vacaville, CA not Sac.

120 jrsygrl  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 8:32:29am

Forgot to add that the relative thought Casey would be horrified by what his mom is doing. He believed in his mission.

121 southernborn  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 8:34:36am

you can tell by first look, that this poor lady is leaking upstairs..so sorry for the loss of her son..as i am all the losses, but she needs to shut the freak up.

122 markx  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 8:35:36am
#8 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I’m reminded of Gideon defeating the Midianites with 300 men. Judges 7ff

The 10 million Jews seems like a billion to the Arabs.

123 TMF  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 8:35:44am

In sort of defense of this lady, if I signed up for the military and was killed in Iraq, my mom would blame it on Bush too.

She can be really irrational at times also. And she has a tendency towards misplaced blame.

OTOH, she wouldn't go on a nationwide media tour hawking her views. SHed just say "it was that SOB Bush!" and then go back to her grieving, in private.

124 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 8:35:51am

This poor woman is being used and is too dumb to even know it. While her son should be looked at as a hero, what he will best be remembered for is a confused mother.

The woman is obviously a lost cause. What she needs is some grief counseling - not the loony left group leading her around by the nose while she makes an ass of herself.

Does anybody really think the lowlife's she running with have this woman's best interests at heart? Most of here know not. Just when I think the left can't sink any lower, they'll rip every bit of hope from this woman for a better tomorrow.

It's a shame, but while she might get some short-term relief by her short-lived fame, she will quickly become a bore and be scorned by most.

That will be her legacy. Fortunately, she can't screw up her son's.

125 Sir Lurksalot  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 8:37:35am

where is this Palestine she refers to?

126 Amy  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 8:39:02am

Sir Lurksalot #125

In the textbooks and on the maps used in Arab schools on the West Bank and in Gaza, paid for by the UNRWA and, by extension, American taxpayers.

127 Amy  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 8:53:05am

Sir Lurksalot -

Check out this website, which reads and analyzes "Palestinian" textbooks:

Link

128 Protagonist  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 8:58:08am

Why do i keep thinking of "Kip's Ma" from Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged?

129 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 8:59:54am
130 Andy in Agoura Hills  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 9:05:32am

#73 Manker 8/10/2005 08:48AM PDT

FUCK. THE. DUTCH.

There. I feel better now.

131 energyforcapital  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 9:05:57am
You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you’ll stop the terrorism,” she exclaimed.


With all respect to her heroic/deceased son:
Shut up, you backward, ignorant attention-obsessed, anti-semitic moron!
Save your shite for Kennedy, you stupid bint.

132 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 9:23:26am
133 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 9:23:41am
134 hippieforlife  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 9:24:33am

She has stated that she wants to talk to the President so that he will tell her the truth.

However, she then goes on to say that she wouldn't believe what he told her anyhow.

She really is not looking for real answers as she has been told the truth. She is being manipulated by the left.

I saw her on the mock impeachment trial held in the basement of the WH and she was stark raving nuts then. She could have chosen a much better way to honor her son.

As much as she would like to have you think that she is the voice of peace, she shows nothing but contempt for the others who have lost loved ones.

She is not the first to grieve and unfortunately will not be the last. Whoever is pulling her strings has turned her into a mockery of a bereaved parent.

135 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 9:27:01am
136 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 9:35:31am
137 Dr. Mabuse  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 9:48:06am

I agree with Pastorius at #45 - I don't this woman is going naturally through the stages of grief. If she were, she should be getting better instead of worse, especially after a year. The poor fellow didn't die last week, after all. I think she's gotten stuck for some reason, and she's just gouging deeper and deeper wounds into herself instead of trying to overcome her loss. The Anchoress was also saying that suffering doesn't always ennoble - I think this woman broke inside, and can't or won't heal. She reminds me of that story in the Bible, of a man who was possessed by an unclean spirit, "Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains." She's the same - living among the tombs, obsessing on the deadness of her son, and filled with terrible hate and energy. I know that therapy would probably help her, but part of me thinks that she needs an exorcist.

138 TotallySirius  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 9:48:53am

When does this become "stalking"?

There is a distinct possibility she wants some sort of revenge and that would make her a potential danger to the president.

Anyone who would go to this extreme has some sort of mental imbalance and should see a shrink before seeing the president.

139 cobra  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 9:51:42am

@133 Raya

And wiping them out, of course.

LOL.....nice addendum

140 HVT  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:02:13am

The bottom line: Bush choosing not to meet with this woman really shows what a coward he is.

All the silly ranting about her mental state may amuse the knuckle draggers here, but the public perception is much different outside of this treehouse.

Carry on!

141 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:02:43am

I'm not old enough to remember, but were people like her around in WW2 or Korea, and if so were they given enough of a voice to drown out the voices of the thousands of sad, but proud, families of our fallen?

This is a woman with a broken spirit who allowed ghouls like Michael Moore ("The maggot that feasts on the dead", as one mother of a fallen Iraq vet put it) lead her along. The crap she's saying sounds staged. I wonder if the exact same words were used by similar outfits?

"Useful idiots" is how Lenin described his western supporters. Which shows you how much he valued their support.

142 cobra  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:06:26am

MOONBAT IN THE WIRE! (#140)

143 tedzilla99  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:08:55am
#140 HVT 8/10/2005 12:02PM PDT
The bottom line: Bush choosing not to meet with this woman really shows what a coward he is.

The bottom line, troll, is that he already met with her, and she is now lying about their meeting, when she previously praised him.

All the silly ranting about her mental state may amuse the knuckle draggers here, but the public perception is much different outside of this treehouse.

Carry on!

I wonder what the 'public perception' would be with some accurate reporting...you know, telling that crazy thing called the truth, unless it doesn't fit the moonbat agenda? You are a moron.

144 TMF  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:08:58am

#140 HVT

Moron- he DID meet with her over a year ago when she sang a totally different tune.

Does the word "truth" mean anything to you, or, like Clinton, do you think this term has multiple definitions?

Or do you know he met her once already, and think Bush should be at this miserable bitches beckon call to advance her Code Pink insane left wing agenda?

The "public perception" voted Bush into office. TWICE. And resoundingly shitcanned the non-ideas of your party.

But I wouldn't expect you to have any connection to objective reality. "Reality based" indeed. LOL!

145 Athos  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:10:35am

#140 Troll

The bottom line: Bush choosing not to meet with this woman really shows what a coward he is.

The President did meet with her.

Why should the President meet with her again just for a staged moonbat photo op?

All the silly ranting about her mental state may amuse the knuckle draggers here, but the public perception is much different outside of this treehouse.

You really need to get out of the echo chamber, and get a clue.

Oh, well, just another troll-by.

Move along, no need to gaze, we should just FLUSH.

146 TMF  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:12:05am

Actually, Im in the minority that thinks Bush SHOULD meet with her again.

And give her a healthy Patton-esque SLAP across her demented face.

147 TotallySirius  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:12:50am

#140 HVT

Sure,the president should meet with anyone who has a greivance,any of the 130,000,000 American citizens.

Hell,why limit it to citizens?

Any one of the 6,000,000,000 people on Earth should be able to air their grievances with the President of the United States....no questions asked,gegardless of their mental state.

Does that illustrate sufficiently how stupid your last post was?

If not then you are beyond stupid.

148 Mr Kufr  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:17:49am

#140 HVT
Racist alert! HVT is a racist. He is obviously perpetuating stereotypes against the peaceful, plant eating knuckle draggers. Who want nothing more than to live in peaceful harmony with earthgoddessmothernature. How cruel of him.

149 gus3  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:19:31am

#140 HVT:

No, the bottom line is you are already prepared to kiss Islamofascist ass when they come for you. Your "reasoning" will lead to exactly that.

And don't whine about me not saving you. You're not exactly high on my list of priorities.

150 cobra  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:22:09am

#141 VDBM

The crap she's saying sounds staged


Yup, and five'll get you ten she'll be featured in Michael the Huts' next piece (of shit) celluloid propaganda.

151 TotallySirius  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:27:10am

#141 BD_VM
#150 cobra

Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh were all over it in today's shows.

They pointed out several instances of the exact same talking points being used by other "useful idiots".

It was a thing of beauty.

152 Connecticut Yankee  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:36:11am

#88 Ward Cleaver

Thank you for that post about St. Dymphna. Speaking of your wonderful wife, how is she doing? Please let her know her friends at LGF have her in their thoughts and prayers.

153 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:39:30am

A brief bio of St. Dymphana.
[Link: www.catholic-forum.com...]

154 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:41:15am
155 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:43:51am
156 arch  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:44:51am

#140

LOL! Sorry Moonbat, but this woman (I won't use the word "lady" to describe her) already meet with Bush - at length. And that's a chance that 99.99% of the rest of Americans will never get.

She may have multiple personalities dwelling within her skull but they all don't get separate appointments with the Prez depending on which one happens to have control of her fragile mind at the time.

For the rest, ya see what happens when the scourge of radical Left-wing lunacy infects an otherwise proud military family? My sympathies go out to her husband and other children who now have to endure watching their mom get the stuffing beat out of her in public.

157 mattm  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:46:10am

How quicky can someine go through the dem talking points?

158 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:55:35am

The whack job did a phone interview with Melinda Tuhus, who reports for both Free Screech Radio News and Between The Lines.

During the brief interview, Sheehan's phone beeped several times as she received calls from supporters and journalists. Her presence at the Bush Ranch has drawn considerable attention from major corporate media as well as progressive independent outlets. Sheehan explains why she's undertaken this vigil in the Texas August heat, and why she thinks her protest may mark the beginning of the end of the U.S. war in Iraq.

First, I wonder how many of those "progressive independent outlets" are 501(c)3 corporations.

Second, I think the Texas August heat may explain why she thinks her protest may mark the beginning of the end.

159 American Soldier  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:57:00am

#142 cobra

MOONBAT IN THE WIRE! (#140)


LIGHT 'IM UP!
GRENADIER! WP!

160 big L  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 10:57:37am

remember last year--during the election cycle
that it was Max Clelland ( Ithink) out there with a petition or demanding a meting on something. It had virtually the same aura of
LLL derangedness cum faux pitifulness asthe cindy stationistas do.

the more things don't change, the more they remain the same...

161 theBlur  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 11:09:26am

#140

Uh, Bush did meet with this woman and her husband shortly after their son died. Her story of that encounter as told then differs greatly from her wild rants of today. That, in case you haven't paid attention, is what everyone is commenting about.

So, just exactly how does the President's refusal to meet with an obviously unhinged woman spouting off left-wing talking points show that he's a coward? If you truly think that it does, then doesn't that mean, by extension, that the whole DU/KosKids activists are also cowards since they refuse to allow anyone even moderately conservative to post on their sites? Hmmm.

162 Dov (In the Astrodome City) Republic of Texas  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 11:11:12am

I think this womans going to be on the O'Reilly show this evening

163 nigella  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 11:20:13am

Just saw on Drudge that a wounded soldier refused to meet Bush when he had a chance. Said he wasn't political before but now he realizes Bushs' ego is getting people killed in Iraq blah blah blah. Not political sure.Of course people like him and this woman are doing a terrible diservice to those who believe they are fighing for something.Something other than their 15 minutes of fame in the anti-war media.Shame on them all.

164 quark2  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 11:48:56am

@149 HVT

*Yawn......

165 wee fury  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 11:55:14am

#162

Yes, she is.

166 cobra  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 12:00:06pm

#159 American Soldier

LIGHT 'IM UP!


Judging from the posts subsequent to #140.......I'd say they did just that.

167 Chief Airdale  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 12:06:57pm

This woman has lost all respect for her son, her family, and herself.

How sad that Code Pink and the rest of the hate America first crowd now uses people like this.

168 Hdrepub  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 12:22:48pm

#140 HVT

It took courage to so baldly reveal your ignorance of these realities. I applaud your courage.

/sarc off

169 lostmyleggins  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 12:30:45pm

She already met the president. Shouldn’t she go to the back of the line so the rest of us can meet him?

170 Sean II  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 12:37:38pm

To all those N.E. Lizards posting here, if you listen to Jay Severin on 96.9 please give him a call. He had Cindy on his show yesterday and agrees with her (he is against our troop presence there once we determined no WMD's were found, I agree in part) However, he did not have her on long enough to learn that she had praise for for Bush after she first met him or that she is a lefty, anti-israel moonbat who is a regular guest on Mikey Moores website. He needs to know that she is being used as a mouthpiece for their paranoid, hate-filled cause.

171 abontje  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 12:42:59pm

I believe that this woman has become unhinged sometime during the grieving process.

I also believe, that she will wake up one day, realize what she has done to her sons memory and will regret what she is doing today.

Or, as was posted earlier, she will continue her ranting and will end up a bitter, hateful old, dried up crone!

172 GeneralStorm  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 12:44:00pm

#140

The bottom line: Bush choosing not to meet with this woman really shows what a coward he is.

All the silly ranting about her mental state may amuse the knuckle draggers here, but the public perception is much different outside of this treehouse.

Carry on!
_______________________________________

He already met with her.

173 scotch  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 1:06:45pm

#142 cobra

Your "exclaim" musta scared that bat outta our tree. Smiles...

174 TotallySirius  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 1:08:07pm

I smell smitten troll.

Who is the coward now?

175 Athos  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 1:26:50pm
Who is the coward now?

The BDS inflicted wanker who committed a troll-by.

Nothing but another premature trolljaculation - over before it even started to get the cluebat treatment.

176 Zack  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 1:33:17pm
You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you’ll stop the terrorism,” she exclaimed.

Let's see... Is there an ethnic group that's served us well over the eons as a scape goat for the rest of the world's barbarity? Is there a way I can work them into the story of my son's death? Hmmmm...

Oh hell, I'll just take a random swipe at them anyway.

/mommie demon

177 jimgoism  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 1:34:12pm

I as a parent can understand her feelings.
However....

If you or she / anyone else thinks that by
doing what the islamic terrorists want...

If we would just leave iraq.
If we would just cut off israel (so all the arabs could have an orgy of genocidal violence)
If we would just stop using oil
If we would sign the kyoto protchol.
If we would stop charging interest.
If we would not drink alchol
If we would not gamble
If we would just submitt to Islam.

Then all the terrorism would stop and they would leave us alone----

I'm sorry but i have really bad news for you...
THEY WONT... Because of islam...
Also Her son died a nobel death (not fun nor enjoyable but it was nobel)

I would rather die fighting than an islamic slave you know why...
Because terrorists and tyrants always have another if you would just...

Im sorry i am not buying that islamic bs any more...

There might be more peace if...
If we Nuked Mecca
If we Nuked Median
If we carpet Bombed the palestinians
If we destroyed Every Mosque.
If we smart bombed the dome of the rock

But you see that costs lives

Freedom is never cheap...

178 riverofpearls  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 1:51:57pm

To Casey Sheehan.

I never knew you but I admire you. It is hard for a man to live his own life. It is especially hard when those you love do not support your choices. You picked your own road and you walked it bravely to the end. You Casey were a rare breed. Thank you for your service.

179 gus3  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 1:53:46pm

#177 jimgoism:

A small typo changes the entire meaning of your post. Jimmy Carter is a Nobel laureate.

(I'll say it for you: "D'oh!" ;-)

180 Merovign  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 1:54:47pm

#163 nigella

Just saw on Drudge that a wounded soldier refused to meet Bush when he had a chance.

If I were CINC like Bush, I'd grant the soldier an immediate honorable discharge, with the note that I didn't think it would be fair to allow him to have the insubordination of refusing to speak to the CINC on his record.

No punishment, no court-martial, just a sort of gentle divorce. Like, I respect your sacrifice, and your wishes, even if you don't respect everyone else's.

That's just me.

181 gus3  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 1:55:14pm

BTW, doesn't Texas have any laws against loitering?

182 cobra  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 1:59:56pm

#178 riverofpearls

Very eloquent and appropiate.

183 cobra  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 2:03:52pm

181 gus3

BTW, doesn't Texas have any laws against loitering?


Been wondering that myself. What state allows "camping" on a public easement?

184 quark2  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 2:53:16pm

@183 cobra

Depending on where she is municipal wise. She might find herself charged with vagrancy as well.

185 Yankee Yankee Zulu  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 2:57:53pm

From what I understand, she has the "Impeachment Tour" plastered right on the side of her bus. Must've been surplus goods from the "Rock Against Bush Tour," only they had to clean out the refrigerator after the soy milk went sour.

I have more respect and honor for her son; the mother is a Marxist-Leninist tool. One of these days, that Impeachment bus might run out of gas - and they'll have no money to fill the tank because they blew it on markers and posterboard!

On the other hand, let her say what she wants. The public will do one of two things: dismiss her out of hand, or accuse her of exploiting the her son's death for propaganda purposes.

Of course, there's always that tried and true method of good ol' boys following her around in a series of pickup trucks, waving the flag and flipping the bird...

186 Bubble Girl  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 3:38:05pm

This woman needs compassion and love. So what if the President has already met one time with her. She has lost her son, forever. She needs understanding and maybe a little more time with our President. It is not that much to ask for.

187 gus3  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 3:44:26pm

#186 Bubble Girl:

Sorry, but I'm going to disagree with you on that one. She needs therapy (to put it nicely). Until she gets her head-screws tightened, she needs to be kept a safe distance from the POTUS.

188 jlfintx  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 3:44:27pm

Bubble Girl, she is just a tool for the left to bash Bush with. She changed her tune after they got ahold of her, and do you realize what kind of schedule the pres has?

189 Dr. Mabuse  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 3:53:17pm

Saying she "needs compassion and love" is sentimental. What does it mean? That Bush should go to her, offering her HIS compassion and love? This presents a problem: she explicitly rejects his compassion and love - she thinks he is a moral monster and inferior to her. She wants an acknowledgement of her superiority, and a flattering of her pride; she wants the President to admit that he is wrong and she is right. It's ridiculous to pretend that the President just has to turn up and they will fall sobbing into each other's arms and there will be a heart-warming reconciliation. That is a scenario is from a cheap novel. And maybe it's tasteless, but could we please stop treating her as if she is unique in her degree of suffering? People lose people they love all the time; sons have been dying in wars since history began. Until now, it was expected that people would seek comfort in religion and act with fortitude; it's never been considered admirable to collapse and refuse to get up. By the way, in her meeting with Bush last year, she said that they talked about their faith - sure doesn't seem to be much in evidence anymore, does it?

190 TMF  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 4:00:53pm

Just saw her on O'Reilly screaming and yelling at some rally like a drunken orangatan.

As a mom you gotta feel bad for her.

As a human being overall, you gotta want to smack her.

191 conservativegirl  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 4:02:59pm

Cindy Sheehan dishonors her son. It is a shame.

192 wee fury  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 4:13:14pm

#186 Bubble Girl

I disagree with you.

Some people seem to think that war is like a video game. No blood, no deaths. War is death -- and we are at war.

Should our President console each and every family member of a dead soldier? Is that his duty?

If it is -- then during WWI, WWII, Korea, Viet Nam, etc. etc. was it the duty of the sitting President to personally visit and sympathize with our dead soldiers?

I think not.

193 Nahanni  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 4:16:34pm

#191 conservativegirl

I agree.

Her use of her own child to push a political agenda that she had long before he died is disgusting. It is like pi**ing on his grave.

I have no "compassion and love" for her, all I have is disgust and contempt.

194 riverofpearls  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 4:29:47pm

Cindy Sheehan does not accept the choices her son made. Many parents are like that. They refuse to let their children become adult people. She blames President Bush for Casey's death. If she didn't have President Bush to blame she would have to blame Casey. It was his choice to join the army and to stay in the army during war. I doubt anything will help Cindy Sheehan. So she will feed on her hate with other people who feed on their hate. She is insane.

195 Bubble Girl  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 4:35:07pm
 #189

Dr. Mabuse  8/10/2005 05:53PM PDT

Saying she "needs compassion and love" is sentimental. What does it mean?

I will tell you... have you had your child die? Have you buried your child? Unless you have, you have no clue to the immense loss this poor woman has suffered. You and others say she needs to be dignified. Tough shit. It is none of your fucking business to tell this woman how to behave at this moment.

196 Yankee Yankee Zulu  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 4:36:30pm

I'm sorry to be a little cold-hearted here, but when respect and honor are missing from compassion and love, and replaced by the cold, evil, dour heart of the selfish exploitation, it is merely a way to get money to the pet anti-war causes. What better way to bring in the membership green and unbelievably free publicity for the anti-war cowards than to play the guilt trip card?

What I'd like Cindy Sheehan to do is to take her bus and leave Crawford. Now. She's a propagandist's dream machine (an ATM one at that!), and the only way I will show love and compassion for her is when she tells these anti-war groups to shove off (although that's too kind of a word); that her son's honor is worth far more than a soundbite or a picture on an anti-war brochure; and that despite losing her son to the war is painful, she will keep his memory alive in other ways, perhaps by helping other soldiers and their families, be they returning from Iraq to return to normal life, or in hospitals where they were wounded, or to help out others who, like their son, died in combat.

She will find never peace through the TV camera, through strident handlers, or through shrill demands. It requires far more work and courage.

197 Bubble Girl  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 4:36:36pm

184 riverofpearls

She is insane.

Where is your compassion for the insane, the grieving?

198 Bubble Girl  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 4:38:58pm
 #192

wee fury  8/10/2005 06:13PM PDT
#186 Bubble Girl


I disagree with you.


Some people seem to think that war is like a video game. No blood, no deaths. War is death -- and we are at war.


Should our President console each and every family member of a dead soldier? Is that his duty?

I disagree with you. This woman is in need of compassion. Her son gave his life, the President could give another 10 minutes of his to talk to her. To say this is not possible is ludicrous.

199 Yankee Yankee Zulu  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 4:39:15pm

Whoops...slight edit...

losing her son to the war is painful

despite the painful loss of her son

200 Bubble Girl  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 4:42:25pm

Courage.

One woman is suffering and you people talk about honor and courage... where is your courage? You want her to do all the hard work.. to accept her son's death in a way that doesn't offend you!

Why don't you step down off your pedestals and see the pain she is in? So what if she is a tool? Maybe she became a tool because we FAILED HER in her time of need.

201 Dr. Mabuse  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 4:50:48pm

Instead of swearing at me, maybe you could calm down and think for a minute. My children haven't died, but they have suffered serious disability - I don't broadcast it before every comment I make in order to pre-empt critical comments. But if we have to display our credentials here: I have 3 children with autism. They will never grow up to give me grandchildren, they will never hold a job, they will never grow up, and I will be wiping their bums when they're 50 and I'm 80. There, Bubblegirl - are you happy now? Are YOUR children handicapped, huh? Aren't you ashamed of yourself for daring to tell me what to do, since you don't know how I feel? You should be. It's how people like you measure status in this world - by victimhood. I don't like Mrs. Sheehan's act, and I think she should have more self-respect and strength of character.

202 riverofpearls  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 4:53:36pm

195 Bubble Girl 8/10/2005 06:35PM PDT

#189

Dr. Mabuse 8/10/2005 05:53PM PDT

... have you had your child die? Have you buried your child? Unless you have, you have no clue to the immense loss this poor woman has suffered. You and others say she needs to be dignified. Tough shit. It is none of your fucking business to tell this woman how to behave at this moment.

I have a clue. I have lost a child. I have a son on his way to Iraq. My son is a grown man. I love him. I love him so much I will let him live his life according to his beliefs. It is not President Bush's fault if something happens to this son. My son decided to join the army. My son is a soldier. I respect his choice. The best way to love a child is to have respect for that child. My son is grown. It is my part to love him and honor him. I understand my son is living his life the way he chose for himself.

Where is your compassion for the insane, the grieving?

It is with compassion I said what I said. Cindy Sheehan is messed up in the head. I hope everyone understands this. there is no reason to attack her. I am not attacking her only saying the truth. This woman needs to accept the fact that Casey made the choices in his life. But she wont. She will continue to blame someone for his death. He died in war. A war that he chose to be a participant.

203 Yankee Yankee Zulu  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 4:59:31pm

Bubble Girl:

We do feel her pain. However, of the other relatives of the war dead, they did not choose to go in front of a camera and act like a complete fool (save Nick Berg's dad).

The same "appeal to emotion" happened back when the war started, when these same groups tried to wave the "look at the beautiful children of Iraq" card - in between demanding select sites for 'human shields' before being told 'oh, no...you're being placed where we tell you.' However, when Iraq was liberated, funny how the same anti-war groups forgot to load film in their cameras when the "beautiful children of Iraq" were greeting US soldiers and celebrating their release. Must have been too busy running back to their homes and universities.

I have no qualms with rage, and anger, and sadness. It's when that rage, anger and sadness is used to bring in BIG BUCKS for the anti-war crowd. It is the sickest and most cynical form of capitalism devised - wave around the dead soldier, the angry mother, and wait for the donations from Uncle George Soros and Michael Moore to roll in.

204 Nonnie  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 4:59:55pm

I was talking with a colleague about this at work, and he made this point: who's to say that her son might have gotten through his deployment and come home, only to slip in the bathroom, hit his head, and die there? She still would have lost her son. Whom would she blame then, whose fault would it be? The bathtub manufacturer, the company that made the flooring? Isn't this part of the "victim mentality" - "Something bad has happened and someone must be at fault"?

As as far as her being allowed to grieve, I don't think anyone here is trying to deny Ms. Sheehan that. We're just dismayed that she's doing so in such an undignified - and very public - fashion. If she is "insane," those who truly love her should ensure she has sufficient privacy for her breakdown. That's what I would expect from my loved ones.

205 Yankee Yankee Zulu  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 5:04:50pm

River of Pearls:

Godspeed to your son. May he return safely.

206 Bubble Girl  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 5:07:50pm

204 Nonnie

That's what I would expect from my loved ones.

Why yes... of course... you guys are all brave... this women is now a tool of the enemy. She is also in need of compassion. So what if others handle it "the right way". I am curious, if your loved ones behaved as this woman is, what would you do.. since they are not doing what you "expect" them to do?

Do you people know the meaning of the word, compassion?"

207 riverofpearls  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 5:14:54pm

200 Bubble Girl 8/10/2005 06:42PM PDT
Courage.

One woman is suffering and you people talk about honor and courage... where is your courage? You want her to do all the hard work.. to accept her son's death in a way that doesn't offend you

She is not offending me. In fact I could almost feel sorry for her but...
I wonder about a mother whose life has been anti-war (I hate to use that term believe me I am anti-war). Anyway here this mother is whose son joins the army (believe me he JOINED) or VOLUNTEERED. I understand when his time in service was over he reupped. I also have read where he went back to help his fellow soldiers and was killed. It seems to me that Casey was some great man. I said man not boy. He was 24 years old. He had been in war. He knew what he was doing. His mother did not like his choices. Too bad. Parents can only teach, instruct and guide children. When a child is grown he gets to make his own choices. Why is Cindy Sheehan doing so much to destroy her son's memory. Look her son had "the courage of his convictions" . I can only surmise this woman is pissed because she could not control her son the way she wanted to. So she can't blame Casey so to her mind someone else took Casey away. Someone else did it. She cannot accept Casey made these decisions. Someone else did it.

208 wee fury  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 5:18:10pm

#192 Bubble Girl
It isn't the President's job or duty to give comfort to every family member of a fallen soldier.

It is the duty and responsibility of the family members, the clergy, and we as a people -- to give care and compassion to our fallen soldiers families.

And, riverofpearls has said it better than anyone -- yes, there is compassion and sadness for any family who loses a family member due to war, accident or illness.

Cindy Sheehan is a grieving mother, I understand that -- however, how she is spewing out her grief is a dishonor to her son, in my opinion.

And, what about the grieving FATHER? Does nobody care about him?

209 Bubble Girl  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 5:23:34pm

207 River of Pearls

This woman raised this fine young man. I said she needs help. I still stand by this... I do not care one wit that others can and do handle it with "dignity."

Some have said she should be arrested or smacked in the head. She needs compassion.

210 riverofpearls  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 5:28:42pm

206 Bubble Girl 8/10/2005 07:07PM PDT

I am curious, if your loved ones behaved as this woman is, what would you do.. since they are not doing what you "expect" them to do?

I had an aunt once who acted similar to this woman. My mother's sister. It was sad. My mother tried but she just could not reach her sister. Finally my mother just let her be. We all suggested counseling. We really tried. It hurt my mother desperately but she could do nothing. Any way this woman is screaming horrible things about President Bush. He has chose not to answer her. She only wants to get revenge and she wants to be right. She wants to tell Casey she was right. What she expects that will accomplish I do not know. Again I say grown children are grown and parents learn to accept their children's decisions regarding their lives.
Cindy Sheehan has aligned herself with people who rejoice in the deaths of US soldiers. She hates more than sshe loves. She is trying to use Casey's death to get her way. Now I ask you how can anyoone deal with this woman. She will spin for a while then ...

211 Nonnie  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 5:30:39pm

Bubble Girl,

I am curious, if your loved ones behaved as this woman is, what would you do..

I would get them the professional help they needed, as I and my family did for a sibling.

I think you and I agree that Ms. Sheehan is in need of compassion; I just don't think we are going to agree on what's the best way to give it to her.

212 riverofpearls  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 5:35:48pm

209 Bubble Girl 8/10/2005 07:23PM PDT
207 River of Pearls

This woman raised this fine young man. I said she needs help. I still stand by this... I do not care one wit that others can and do handle it with "dignity."

Some have said she should be arrested or smacked in the head. She needs compassion.

Yes she raised this fine young man. Yes she needs help.

Yes she needs compassion but it is not compassion to allow her to play this game. As for me I can be compassionate from afar. I am older than I used to be and I have finally learned some sense.

213 Bubble Girl  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 5:36:49pm

210 River Of Pearls

I am a physician. There are ways to help this woman. I have also suffered more than one loss in my life too. Believe me on this. I have had experience in this in my life and an almost daily basis as a doctor of Emergency Medicine.

Nothing infuriates me more than people who assume they know what a grieving parent or loved one is truly feeling... like you, know one truly knows unless they have been there... and God help them.. when they do.

I have walked through the Valley of the Shadow of Death... this woman is acting out. The anti-war people are using a woman who is devastated. Blame them. Not her.

214 American Soldier  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 5:41:49pm

#206 Bubble Girl
I have slept at night behind the wire, loaded rifle at hand, with very hostile gerbils on the other side. I have waded through puddles of blood and body parts. I have one daughter standing at the epicenter of what could become a civil war come Monday. I have a son who will, by the end of the year, be a grunt in an army at war.

I find myself, in my later years, in the position of being one of the gray old men who helps send young ones off to battle. Not all of them return.

I have said before, and I do mean it: These troops are my brothers and sisters, my sons and daughters. Every one who falls is another piece torn out of my soul. Every one that I see learning to use prosthetics, or a cane, or to cope with unseen demons, causes me anguish.

I am not without compassion for the parents of the slain. Cindy Sheehan, however, was apparently a moonbat before Casey's death. She is using her situation, and others are cynically using her, to further a destructive political agenda. She is also in need of
good psychiatric help. You sign the papers, and I'll take care of her, with compassion.

I wrote about her yesterday on the blog I post on. Feel free to read it.

215 Yankee Yankee Zulu  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 5:43:45pm

River of Pearls:

There will always be those who think they are right, no matter what you say or no matter what evidence you put in front of them.

What you said in your above comments hit the nail right on the head. It is the proverbial pound of flesh from the hindquarters of President Bush that she wants, more than her son's honor. She got a willing ear from those who have a hatred for Bush, America, or any combination of the two, and it is a Mephistophelian deal - join us, we'll promote you in exchange for your soul and your reputation. And she's trying to get "her way" in exchange for her son's (very adult) decision. Casey Sheehan could have done anything else in the world, but he chose to join the Army - and I can bet that rankles her more than anything else.

It's funny that the very adult decisions people make are often the toughest to accept...but when they turn out to be the best decisions, we are relieved that they were made for someone's benefit or relief.

216 riverofpearls  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 5:45:03pm

213 Bubble Girl 8/10/2005 07:36PM PDT
I am a physician. There are ways to help this woman. I have also suffered more than one loss in my life too. Believe me on this. I have had experience in this in my life and an almost daily basis as a doctor of Emergency Medicine.

Hey I know she needs help. But will she take help?

Nothing infuriates me more than people who assume they know what a grieving parent or loved one is truly feeling... like you, know one truly knows unless they have been there... and God help them.. when they do.

Good Luck!

217 nigella  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 5:46:11pm

Bubble girl, I do feel a sorrow for her in the death of her son who appears to have been a fine young man. However she is actually being less than honest about her motives. Perhaps she does truly feel Bush is wrong about this war, but this is the wrong way to show it. Putting yourself in the s ame boat as michael moore and the
other America haters smacks of the political. God rest the soul of this hero and God grant his mother the courage to move on.

218 cobra  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 5:46:25pm

compassion:
Deep awareness of the suffering of another coupled with the wish to relieve it

Deep awareness of the suffering of another

Appears to me she's been given that

coupled with the wish to relieve it

That too.
Unfortunately it has now mutated (due to the company she keeps?) to the point that "relief" can only come when there's unconditional compliance to all her demands.
I doubt that's gonna happen.

219 leftover54  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 5:47:31pm
220 Bubble Girl  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 5:48:51pm

AS

She is also in need of
good psychiatric help. You sign the papers, and I'll take care of her, with compassion.

That is all I ask for AS....

If it were you, I would do the same... the Psych Ward is full of people who were once sane, responsible people. If I cracked up, AS, would you come and help me? No matter how undignified I behaved?

221 American Soldier  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 5:58:15pm

#220 Bubble Girl

If it were you, I would do the same... the Psych Ward is full of people who were once sane, responsible people. If I cracked up, AS, would you come and help me? No matter how undignified I behaved?


You betcha, Baby. The problem with Psych is that there comes a point when people have to want to get better. Cindy Sheehan's too wrapped up in the politics, and is surrounded by people who are only interested in her as a tool, not as a person.
And her actions do dishonor Casey's memory. I find increasingly that this concept of honor is something I never have to explain to soldiers, and that is rarely understood by others. If you have never listened to it, try to listen to Toby Keith's rendition of American Soldier. It's where my nic came from, and it speaks volumes.

222 Yankee Yankee Zulu  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:04:32pm

Bubble Girl:

Charles' bandwidth would be through the stratosphere if we blamed all the anti-war groups that draw breath! Believe me, there aren't enough versions of obscene words that could describe these (expletive deleteds)! :-)

But your words have given me a little thought. From personal experiences over the past two years, I truly don't know how a person who has had a stroke or heart attack, whose lost their mental acuity and has reduced themselves to a child-like state, and a person with lung cancer feels (in other words, I can't go a body and experience the changes they've had). In all of these cases, one has died; the other is fighting the disease (and doing a decent job of it, despite other complications).

If I met Cindy Sheehan, my first action would be to give her my condolences for her loss. I would offer her my strength to help her in tough times, and that would include letting her vent. Then, I would let her know that I am available any time, even for venting out loud.

If the other groups discouraged me from doing so, I would back away, leaving the offer out in the table when she is ready.

I think that would qualify as compassion and love, don't you?

223 Bubble Girl  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:05:18pm

221 AS

I find increasingly that this concept of honor is something I never have to explain to soldiers, and that is rarely understood by others.

So I do not understand the concept of honor...

224 riverofpearls  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:09:45pm

This site is supposed to be dedicated to Casey.

[Link: www.angelfire.com...]

225 American Soldier  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 6:11:16pm

#223 Bubble Girl

So I do not understand the concept of honor...


As it relates to soldiers and what we do, I don't know. As it relates to SPC Sheehan's life and memory I don't know.
Keith's song is an amazing expression by non-vets.
Feel free to call me, I'll try to be more articulate. Swampess has my number, as do Geepers and I think 'Nam Grunt.

226 cobra  Wed, Aug 10, 2005 7:06:16pm
I find increasingly that this concept of honor is something I never have to explain to soldiers, and that is rarely understood by others.

A profound and original thought.
Rest in peace, Casey. Your soul is safe. We'll pray for your mothers'.

227 efuseakay  Thu, Aug 11, 2005 1:46:32pm

[Link: www.joetrippi.com...]

You can hear Cindy caught on a conference call strategizing with the moonbats.

228 yochanan  Thu, Aug 11, 2005 3:49:42pm

FAMILY OF FALLEN SOLDIER PLEADS: PLEASE STOP, CINDY!
Thu Aug 11 2005 12:56:21 ET

The family of American soldier Casey Sheehan, who was killed in Iraq on April 4, 2004, has broken its silence and spoken out against his mother Cindy Sheehan's anti-war vigil against George Bush held outside the president's Crawford, Texas ranch.

The following email was received by the DRUDGE REPORT from Casey's aunt and godmother:

Our family has been so distressed by the recent activities of Cindy we are breaking our silence and we have collectively written a statement for release. Feel free to distribute it as you wish. Thanks Ð Cherie

In response to questions regarding the Cindy Sheehan/Crawford Texas issue: Sheehan Family Statement:

The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the the expense of her son's good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect.

Sincerely,

Casey Sheehan's grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins.

Developing...

229 Julie  Thu, Aug 11, 2005 6:41:47pm

Look up Borderline Personality Disorder and you don't have to be a licensed psychologist to recognize the signs...The hallmarks are unstable mood, unpredictable behavior, variable response to stimuli, intense self-preoccupation, extreme fear of--and hostile reaction to--"abandonment." Some professionals (myself among them) consider this disorder to be a variant of Antisocial Personality Disorder, in which the person (mostly females) use emotional threats and manipulation to get others to do what they want. (Antisocial males most often use overt physical violence instead of the emotional aggression exhibited by Borderline females.) None of this is to say that Cindy Sheehan isn't genuinely grieved. However, her grief for her self is almost certainly greater than her grief for her son. Otherwise, she would be able to put her SELF aside and consider the value of Casey's life, his choices, his loyalty to his comrades, his plans for the future. She would never devalue this life if she valued it properly. Instead, she is using it as a means of manipulate others. I'm sorry for her but I'm more sorry for the targets of her behavior. And I'm sorry that this fine young man had a mother who has no respect for him.
On the up-side, however, she's likely to whip those fawning libs and media into a quivering mass of jello before it's all over. Her incessant demands, personal vanity, and unreasonable moods are just what they all deserve. Hell hath no fury like a Borderline scorned..


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