Hitching their wagon to a "star".

I'm sure this will be front page on L.A. and New York Times tomorrow...

Nazis, just another bunch of "blameless" 'tards blaming their inbred problems on the Jews.

No G*d damned NAZI speaks for this white boy! I am proud to be a goy American Zionist. Israel forever.

"America is the new Jew" - zulubaby

Another odd left/right love affair.

Check this nuts links out. She loves Justin Raimondo.

[Link: www.angrywhitefemale.net...]

Why doesn't the MSM pick up on this stuff?

Thank God for the internet.
Thank you, Charles. Now more people can see what's really going on with this nexis between the far left and the neo-nazis.

#4 Craig:

I'm with you, except that I thought "goy" was a derogatory term?

After reading that National Vanguard crap, I need a shower.

GO JEW POWER GO

/Babbazee I miss you!

Chicka boom chicka boom chicka boom boom~

As eeryone knows, when the Nazis say neocon, they mean Jews. The stormfront website, which is a white aryan resistance website has these kind of things too.

Jewish power is behind the drive for racial mixing, open borders, raceless globalism, and international capitalism, just as it was behind racially-destructive international Communism.

That one sentence requires several paragraphs of fisking. Where the heck do you start?

Neocon=Jews.... GW = Neocon = Jew

It's called sideways... I had Liberal friends who did this....

also it was... Bush = Fascist ... Hilter = Fascist...

Being called a Jew or a Jew lover, I would be proud... I don't accept anything from NeoNazi's, white racist, hatemongers..

Ben Cohen, this one's for you!

Let me see if I understand this. Liberals call Bush a Nazi but the Nazi's are just as anti war as the liberals? Seems to me Nazis have much more in common with the liberals.

OK,

>>>Jewish power is behind the drive for racial mixing,

And what's wrong with that?

>>>open borders,

Show me.

>>>raceless globalism,

What's wrong with that?

>>>and international capitalism,

What's wrong with that?

>>>just as it was behind racially-destructive international Communism.

That's the worst thing you can say about Communism?

NOTE: This Nazi made the distinction of "international Communism"; as opposed to National Socialism. There you have it, Nazis are socialists, just not international Socialists.

Now we see the far left crash and burn.

to our people by the Jewish supremacists.

White supremacists calling Jews, supremacists..

Look Neo Nazis... we know why you do this.. it's called vicious scapegoating.

Wish they'd show up when the cameras are there with their tatoos showing...standing right beside Cindy with their arms around her and their Iron Crosses twinkling in the blazing Crawford, Texas sunshine.

And so, when is Al Sharpton coming to Camp Cindy? Surely Al will set those Liberals straight about racism....

If Al can't do it, no one can!

Any time the white supremacists are on one side, it's a safe bet that the other side is the better side to be on.

What a convoluted, incongruous, mishmash of ignorance. If they are really that stupid and irrational what do we have to fear from the totalitarian fringe.

I just hope the mainstream moonbats international piggybank/agitprop machine doesn't mislead and incite the rest of the ignorant out there in everymanland. In the end, if the SS (Secular Socialists) prevail, the carnage from their last attempts at world domination: Soviet Union, National Socialist Workers Party, cold war communist proxie incursions, et al, will be a mere statistical footnoot in the total tally of death created by the collectivists.

These people have turned their backs on six thousand years of rational social/political development. Mankind needs a restorative education in the fundamentals of individual and collective survival. I fear it will soon come to pass.

#6 mar Ya know what I HATE? Idiots who have hijacked my heritage and turned it into this, poor excuse to cover their own short comings and failures.

Mcgyver, out

Are La Raza, MEChA and the La Voz de Aztlan goons on board yet?

OK, on one side we have

1. The Kos/Sheehan/Dean LLLeft
2. Nazis, racists and white supremacists
3. Muslim extremists/Islamofascists

...all of which basically have the same viewpoint:
America is evil;
The Iraq War needs to be ended immediately through either American withdrawal or "insurgent" victory;
American foreign policy is dictated by Jews for the benefit of Israel;
Bush and the "neocons" should be either tried for war crimes, impeached, killed, or all three.

Fine. That's their camp. But in what way do we define our side of the ideological divide? I used to ponder this question frequently on LGF, though not much these days.

Charles has opted for the term "anti-idiotarian," which is what I and many others have been using. But is there any other way to describe and summarize the positions of the pro-democracy/anti-totalitarian/ pro-freedom/anti-religious extremism/pro-America/anti-fascism AND anti-communism/etc.etc. concatenation that is best represented by the LGF cohort?

Who are we, and what to we call ourselves? I know who the people on the wrong side are, and what they stand for. But we need to come up with a catchy name for us.

12-
Even in elementary school children are warned against applying absolutes to anything. These nazi "people" apparently have not advanced beyond the imbecile level. That, however, does not allay my wish to go preemtive on their trunk arteries with an easily concealed blade of legal length.

Zombie @ 26

Who are we, and what to we call ourselves? I know who the people on the wrong side are, and what they stand for. But we need to come up with a catchy name for us.

The old name used to be "Americans".

#20 buzzsawmonkey
Thanks for the lesson. I had thought that goy meant non-Jewish.
#19 foreign devil
LOL, what an image! Please let it come true.

Zombie @ 26

I don't know a new name but aren't we the ones who essentially want Democracy to survive?

#26 Zombie

Who are we, and what to we call ourselves? I know who the people on the wrong side are, and what they stand for. But we need to come up with a catchy name for us.

We, the people...

26 Zombie

Unfortunately the word, Democrats, has been forever tarnished in my mind. Also Progressive.

Patriots?

#20 buzzsawmonkey 8/28/2005 09:21AM PDT

Thanks for the info. My recollection was that it was, so I checked [Link: www.dictionary.com,...] which defined goy as "a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew." Probably not the best source for info. on religious terms, eh?

26 zombie

Normal?

#26 zombie

That's a very good question and I'll be pondering it for the rest of the day.

I hope other people will help out and we can come up with an answer.

But for right now, all I can say is that we are on the Right side. The side of hope, the side of freedom, the side of liberty, snd the side of democracy.

As usual, Winston Churchill had it right when he said,

"Communism and Facism are two horns of the same beast"

Nuff said

To my Christian Friends,

America is the only country where I can practice my religion as I wish, and unfortunately I must include Israel. I am a Jew. America is a land, established by Christians that believe that all men, All People, are created equal by G-d.

I thank American Christianlty for their support and the society in which I freely live.

To our Nazi schmucks out there - the only thing that you hold dear is the idea that somewhere, someplace there is a person dumber than you are, unfortunately that isn't true.

Pro-freedom was a good one. To be honest, I think we want to get along, and we're prepared to fight people who would rather kill us and promote fanaticism than get along. I don't really believe ANYONE has a monopoly on the values they represent, nor a right to enshrine them as overarching, and I'm quite happy not to give us a dinky name, so long as the objectives are freedom, peace and prosperity. If I thought we were selling out on those objectives I wouldn't call myself whatever it is.

Zombie 26

1. The Kos/Sheehan/Dean LLLeft
2. Nazis, racists and white supremacists
3. Muslim extremists/Islamofascists

Perhaps we are the ones who refuse to bow down to any ideology.. that will enslave us... they do and they will, if they get the chance. If not our bodies, then our minds, and then, our souls..

Plus I refuse to be a tool.

32 Bubble Girl

Unfortunately the word, Democrats, has been forever tarnished in my mind. Also Progressive.

And liberal. That's why the word "libertarian" had to be invented. Everything that crowd touches to crap.

39 Dom

I agree. I hate to be labeled.

Be warned people. There is more support for this hate group than you might think. all it would take is a nuke in NY or Wash or some other horrible attack and the people in the US who sympathize with these crazies will cross over into their camp.
There is a great deal of anti-semetism flowing under the surface. It is just waiting for a major event to bring it up.
don't say it can't happen here, because it can. These people, the acamemics, and even the religious leaders are virulently anti semetic. They say the most hateful things and nothing happens. This sets the stage for the expulsion of Jews from Europe and even America.
I pray that I am wrong, but I have been seeing this coming for years.
Yes, even in America.

I had to get to this age to see the nazis helping the commies helping the islamofascists.

Totalitarians of the world, unite !

Wackos.

So the racist white supremascists are calling the Jews racists.

Nazis calling the Jews Nazis.

Also, Jews are behind international communism, and capitalism. And open borders. And closed borders. And globalism. And racial mixing. And racial exclusion.

They forgot to mention a few other truly evil things the jews are behind:

That nasty artifial butter flavor the theaters put on popcorn, those evil little lables you can't peel off a peach without destroying the peach . . . .

Boy, we are BUSY, I tell ya.

Too bad there's no capital punishment for evil stupidity.

38 oldprof

To our Nazi schmucks out there - the only thing that you hold dear is the idea that somewhere, someplace there is a person dumber than you are, unfortunately that isn't true.

So much of politics, particularly on the fringe, is about self esteem, and lack of it.

38 Old Prof

Lovely post. There are also many atheists and agnostics and others who also support your right to worship your religion. This is America.

pimf - "turns to crap" (#41)

#15 cjstavern

Let me see if I understand this. Liberals call Bush a Nazi but the Nazi's are just as anti war as the liberals?

"Rove... You did it!"

The Stormfront rally in Crawford turned out to be a disaster - only 3 people showed up and they were booted out of the main protest areas. According to the lastest reports they have put away their signs and are now trying to recruit people one-on-one.

As for the National Vanguard, they are the remnants of the most notorious racist group of the last few decades - the National Alliance. The NA, which had upwards of 800 paying members, has all but be destroyed by infighting after the death of founder William Pierce. The NV, which is currently nothing but an internet site, has been trying to pick up some of the disaffected. Fortunately the goofy and feminine Kevin Strom is no leader and it is unlikely the NV will ever become a significant player in the hate movement.

#47, Bubble Girl

Yes, that's the beauty of it, These Christians have given us, the Non-Christians the right to believe as we wish.

For some reason I find this amazingy beautiful! G-d does have some mysterious ways.

#49 Flying Tigress:

No, no! It's "Rove...you did it...you magnificent ba$tard!" :)

43 cybermonk

Forget about it.. you Jews aren't going anywhere.. you are Americans.. quite frankly, pretty productive Americans.. good Americans..

Yes, there is anti-semitism.. but as a Mexican, I see more hatred towards them than you guys...

I will more likely be asked to leave when the illegal situation finally comes to a head..

#26 zombie:

Freedom Fighters? ,>

Earth2moonbat

Hey E2M

It's as if we live in the days of the Major Awakening..

#52

LOL -- that's what I originally typed, but, then, decided to not indulge any trolls who might be passing through...

"22. If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant."

#39 Dom

We are the PRO-FREEDOM MOVEMENT.

They are the ANTI-FREEDOM MOVEMENT

Plain and simple.

53 Bubble Girl

I will more likely be asked to leave when the illegal situation finally comes to a head..

And don't you sweat that. We won't let it happen.

/LGF is just a big multiethnic lovefest....

#50 Morgan:

BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

Watch for Cindy to take a dive on their blogs now.

AHA-HA-HA! BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA! Life is good!

 #51

oldprof  8/28/2005 09:47AM PDT

#47, Bubble Girl

Yes, that's the beauty of it, These Christians have given us, the Non-Christians the right to believe as we wish.

Yes... you have said something so important, it struck clear to my soul...

"The right to believe as we wish."

55 Bubble Girl

It's as if we live in the days of the Major Awakening..

Interesting times....

/Let's not forget the possible positive outcomes, as well....

Leftists love Mother Sheehan
Democrats love mother Sheehan
Blind idiots who read Molly Ivins, Krugman and Juan Cole - love Mother Sheehan
Robotic Sycophants who watch the "Daily Show" and actually find it funny - Love Mother Sheehan
All BDS sufferers love Mother Sheehan
Howard Dean Loves Mother Sheehan
MooreOn.ORG loves Mother Sheehan
Ben and Jerry love Mother Sheehan
David Duke loves Mother Sheehan

All total - the entire world's Jew-hating community LOVE Sacred Cow Sheehan.

Bravo.

58 E2M

Thank you...

You don't know how much I appreciated that.

Bubble Girl, I like your suggestion of, simply, "Americans." Indeed, that used to be a word that carried so much moral weight. But unfortunately, it has been tarnished by the Marxofascists. And, whether we like it or not, Cindy Sheehan and Louis Farrakhan and David Duke are all Americans too. And since "American" as a biological identity is so tarnished, "American" as a philosphical standpoint has also become tarnished by association.

Same is true for "democrat," "progressive," "conservative," "liberal," and just about any other political term out there -- they all now have way too much baggage attached to them. And have been rendered either meaningless or unusable.

Plus, whenever I see some new group that has a really wonderful seeming name -- like (I'm making this up) "The American Freedom Party" or "ASaneJustWorld.org" or whatever, it usually turns out to be a euphemistic title for some miserable hate group. The rosier the title, the more sinister the ideology.

Help!

53 Bubble Girl

I have a Mexican friend that's also Jewish.
She has a Jewish stepfather and she converted.

She's a great gal- and she's part of the PRO-FREEDOM MOVEMENT!

#3 Mbruce

Nazis, just another bunch of "blameless" 'tards blaming their inbred problems on the Jews.

I like that.

Perhaps when Al and Jesse arrive they will be in "white-face"?
I read over some of Stormfront's material, and they seem much, much focused on race-hate than jew-hate.

#21 Bubble Girl

Yeah, there's goning to be a fight between Al Sharpton and the Neo-Nazis. They're going to fight over who hates the Jews more.

I thought Joseph Goebbels was dead. Had present day Israel existed, I'm certain that Herr Goebbels would have included some of these delightful phrases in his 1943 Totale Kreig speech at the Sportspalast in Berlin.

#67 Nellodee

Unfortunately, Anti-semitiesm has become the common denominator for general Race Hatred.

That is perhaps one of the reasons that I am totally amazed by the Huge Jewish left.

 #64

zombie  8/28/2005 09:54AM PDT
Bubble Girl, I like your suggestion of, simply, "Americans." Indeed, that used to be a word that carried so much moral weight. But unfortunately, it has been tarnished by the Marxofascists. And, whether we like it or not, Cindy Sheehan and Louis Farrakhan and David Duke are all Americans too. And since "American" as a biological identity is so tarnished, "American" as a philosphical standpoint has also become tarnished by association.

Yes, Zombie.. great post... as is all the other labels, they have been tossed around, tarnished, rendered useless, or exposed as fakes and frauds...

So far the suggestions of Pro-Freedom Movement sounds good. At least it's a movement in the direction so desperately needed. If we don't heed what is happening around the world, I see a New Dark Ages about to descend upon us all.

OT - This looks like an interesting development. Finally, a new government in Germany.
German conservatives see power in reach with three weeks to go

#50 Morgan 8/28/2005 09:46AM PDT

The Stormfront rally in Crawford turned out to be a disaster - only 3 people showed up and they were booted out of the main protest areas. According to the lastest reports they have put away their signs and are now trying to recruit people one-on-one.

Megan -- thank you for that important update! Where did you get your information? On-site observation yourself? Report from someone you know who's at Crawford? Or from a media outlet?

 

 #67

nellodee  8/28/2005 09:55AM PDT

Perhaps when Al and Jesse arrive they will be in "white-face"?
I read over some of Stormfront's material, and they seem much, much focused on race-hate than jew-hate.

#68

freedomsound  8/28/2005 09:57AM PDT
#21 Bubble Girl

Yeah, there's goning to be a fight between Al Sharpton and the Neo-Nazis. They're going to fight over who hates the Jews more.

Two great posts in a row.. Funny, sad, and true.

...and what a lovely site is NationalVanguard. Go Cindy, go. Is anyone here old enough to remember to old adage...'your friends are your mirrors and they reflect yourself'?

PIMF...some day I'll learn. ...the old adage.

Yep, the country hasn't been the same since Rosenfeld dragged us into WWII to help the zionists. Boy, could we have used a Cindy Sheehan back then. And I do mean USE.

hey, I like this "The American Freedom Party"
a pro freedom movement.

 #65

DesertSage  8/28/2005 09:54AM PDT
53 Bubble Girl

I have a Mexican friend that's also Jewish.
She has a Jewish stepfather and she converted.

She's a great gal- and she's part of the PRO-FREEDOM MOVEMENT!

Desert Sage.. that's wonderful. As a member of the Latino community, I grew up with no one saying they hated Jews! Ever.

I teach a College Course in a predominately Latino High School. I am amazed by the openness and love of learning I see every day. Give these kids about 10 - 15 years and watch out - they will make this a far better country

74 Zombie

From the horse's mouth. There is a thread at Stormfront where those in Crawford are discussing their activities. Jamie Kelso, the leader of the project, reported that "we've switched our tactic to privately communicating with as many folks here in Crawford as possible, as a tactic more effective than our initial poster slogan approach." It was the poster slogan approach that got them chased away, of course.

#26 zombie and
#28 Bubble Girl
Zombie I think Bubble Girl hit the nail smack on the head: We are Americans. And I'm not going to let the Nazi's or the Kos Kids (that's correct, I put them on the same level, politically slightly different, but essentially the same) make me change that. I love this country, I love what WE THE PEOPLE (not the skinHead "Screw 'em" types define who are the people) are and what we stand for and that's for Freedom and Democracy.
We are Americans. They are nothing.

#36 OldProf - from one "older" prof to another, I have to confess that I'm confused by something you said which is: "America is the only country where I can practice my religion as I wish, and unfortunately I must include Israel. I am a Jew."
You mean you can't be a practising Jew in Israel? I'm sorry for my ignorance, Professor, but I don't understand that. I am not a Jew.

#84 Realwest

Amen.

PIMF that should have been #38 OldProf. Sorry.

she has brought out into public view the one flaming truth that the Jewish-controlled left and Jewish-controlled right are desperate to conceal: that her son, and all the other Americans being brought back home in body bags, died for Israel, not America.

Here's some more flaming truths:

* We are really f*cked if this country starts accepting only those foreign policy initiatives which cannot in any way be seen as favorable to Israel.

* The same jihad that threatens Israel has also been attacking the West since about 700AD.

* Jews represent 0.2% of the population of the world.

My Liberal friends claim they "love" this country, and that they are "Americans" and "Patriots."

But they and their candidates have said many times precisely this...

We should be under the rule of the UN...
We should be under an International Government...
We should let a World Court arrest our President and try him as a criminal...
The world is ashamed of us...

It doesn't take a degree in Rocket Science to know what their main intent is.. and it's not "American."

I like pro-freedom myself. Lots of us were late-comers to this particular table, but if you oppose all the anti-freedom idiotarians you must be pro-freedom. Bringing freedom to all people of the world, one tyrant at a time, will be the great task of the 21st century. Make no mistake, the Nazis, the LLL , Mother Sheehan et al are for the enemy in this fight.

Bubble Girl, you are among the allies, and we treat us right.

Here is another site she is supported on. A must see. If you aren't aware of Raed, he is a Sunni in Iraq and very ANTI-American.

[Link: raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com...]

Go see the picture and read the article

Oh boy, moonbats, Nazis, and Reverend Al! How much better can this covergence get? All they need is some UFO groupies and they'll be all set.

/can't wait for the pictures, zeig heil!

The Nazis can keep Sheehan. So now she's got the Nazis, the KKK (because of David Duke), and who's next? NAMBLA? How about the local hospital for the criminally insane? I hope the Secret Service is logging this all in to their database of dangerous nutcases.

Of course you already knew Karl Rove had sent the White Supremicists to Cindy's side. You just knew it. Im already being told this by liberals.

Here's a telling comment from the commander of the American Nazi Party, Jeff Schoep:

"The National Socialist movement is the only patriotic organisation that I can think of that sides with this woman Cindy Sheehan who's named the Jew in all this, who's named "Israel"....

The people that are supporting her are the leftists and the Left's position - especially on the Jewish question - is becoming very similar to ours."

#36
Unfortunately the Far right Orthadox have forced a rather stringent literalist imterpretation of the Torah on israel. While ther eis Religious freedom for all - the Question Who is a Jew - is a question that the Courts have not yet really defined. The Liberal, or Reform movement does not have the recognition that an Orthodox Jew does.

I am an Observant Jew and this would not directly affct me, hwoever I find the situation upsetting.

It is fascinating that Here in America, bothe an Orthodox and Reform Jew are treated by society identically.

As my Grabdparents would have said --- "Nu?"

My history professor in college explained to us the different ends of the political spectrum, from far left all the way to far right, in a very interesting way. Instead of drawing a straight line, with the far left on one end & the far right on the other, he drew a horseshoe, where the far left is on one end, the line loops up & the far right comes back down & almost touches the far left. It explained why the Nazis & Communists were nearly identical & goes a long way to explain the potpouri of kooks in attendance at Mother Sheehan's Magical Misery Tour.

Sheehan not member of Gold Star Mothers

/you lied to me Sister Cindy, and my cats' ears bled because of your high pitched lies

Correct me if I'm wrong, But the Fascist movemtn was based upon National Socialism. In both varieties of socialism the means of production are controlled by the government. There was essentially no difference?

History, or Poli Sci is not my field, sorry

"...[Israel] armed to the teeth, by the way, with weapons of mass destruction..."

"... all the other Americans being brought back home in body bags, died for Israel, not for America..."

Hey A$$holes! If Israel is positively busting at the seams with weapons of mass destruction, how come the country needs America to fight its wars?!

I say that the Americans should get out of the Middle East and let Israel solve its problems the way it should have in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 and 2001.

That way the Israelis will keep the Nazis happy that no Americans are dying for them.

Silly bitch!

#26 Zombie

Anti-Idiotarian = Plain 'ole (speaking for myself)decent folk. In deference to lots of good other than American people I read and enjoy here.

[Link: www.aljazeera.com...]

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(Reuters photo) Anti-war protester Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq

Sheehan has been recently accused of being anti-Semite just because she said that if Israel’s occupation to Palestine ended it will contribute to a reduction in “terror”.

"Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by George [W.] Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11," some media sources quoted Iraq war protestor Cindy Sheehan, whose 24-year-old son -- Army Spc. Casey Sheehan of Vacaville, California – died in Baghdad's Sadr City on April 4, as saying.

Calling Sheehan anti-Semite is simply obscene, all American Jews should pay close attention to the argument the woman is trying to make on this occasion.

What's wrong in expressing her wish of ending the Israeli occupation in Palestine?

How can forcing people out of their homes for sixty years be justified?

What Sheehan, who now symbolizes the USA’s antiwar grief, is referring to is the U.S. government’s blind support for the policies and actions of Israel and refusal to admit that the Israeli occupation troops bear full responsibility for the killing of innocent Palestinians, which have led to a spiral of violence in the Middle East.

Why the political party in America with a “religion problem” and a “race problem” is the Republican Party? Howard Dean called the Republican Party mainly a "white-Christian party".

What he said is to a great extent true. One of the only demographics Republicans win consistently is white, Christian men. Democrats, on the other hand, win with Latinos, blacks, immigrants, and Jews (pretty much everyone else).

76% of the Jewish community in America voted for John Kerry, while 24% voted for Bush.

The "white-Christian" Republican Party is supported mainly by the “white-Christian” Southerners. Abraham Lincoln called himself a Republican, but some analysts say that the Republican Party of Lincoln is now the Democratic Party, and that the descendants of the Democratic Party of the segregated-South, make up the current Republican base.

The anti-Semitic, anti-black Southerners, from Zell Miller, to David Duke, to Tony Perkins, to Trent Lott, to Jesse Helms, to Strom Thurmond, are all remnants of the old Democratic Party; now firmly implanted in the Republican Party.

Cindy simply believes that ending the Israeli occupation in Palestine will contribute to peace in the region. Of course ending the occupation in Palestine won’t put an immediate end to the Middle East conflict, nothing can, but it will certainly help.

If Sheehan understands this fundamental concept, why doesn’t George W. Bush?

Source: Blogcritics.org

OT

'World must convert to Islam'

/I, for one, will never use my left hand as toilet paper!

#64 zombie and
#71 Bubble Girl
Wow - this is only the second time I've had the opportunity or felt the need to address two of my favorite posters on the same thread.
Zombie, you said:
"Bubble Girl, I like your suggestion of, simply, "Americans." Indeed, that used to be a word that carried so much moral weight. But unfortunately, it has been tarnished by the Marxofascists. And, whether we like it or not, Cindy Sheehan and Louis Farrakhan and David Duke are all Americans too. And since "American" as a biological identity is so tarnished, "American" as a philosphical standpoint has also become tarnished by association." BG you essentially agreed with her and I must respectfully disagree with you both. We can not, should not and will not allow other people to define who we are. For every idjit Skinhead we have hundreds of Thomas Jeffersons and Barbra Rios (my next door neighbor); for every Louis Farrakan, we have hundreds of Ben Franklins and John's and Danny's (two gay men who live next door to me on the other side); for all the Marxofascists, David Dukes and other truly small minded people, we have my Dad and my Mom, and hundreds of millions just like them.
Yes, zombie you are right; sometimes the word American gets tarnished, even by loony-tunes who were born and raised here (see,e.g., Cindy Sheehan)but that's a VERY thin coat of tarnish and is easily removed by the likes of Casey Sheehan and Charles Johnson. We are Americans at our CORE; the love of freedom, the idividual respecting and /or liking the other individual, the desire to spread Democracy around the globe to, as I beleive Thomas Jefferson said, achieve what everyone knows is true: that so long as one man lives in slavery and misery, then we all do.
PLEASE DON'T LET THE MAROONS DEFINE WHAT WE ARE, BECAUSE THEY AREN'T WHAT THEY DEFINE AS AMERICAN.

Observe, it ALWAYS comes down to ignorant, however loquatious. Antisemitism

WE ARE AMERICANS. PERIOD.

#67 - nellody

It's a sexual perversion thing...

Some very interesting takes been written on the original Nazis as "supermales".

Bubble Girl,

As I have been trying to convince you, there is at least at 20% chance that you are descended from Spanish Jews. You are a honorary Jew, my friend.

In any event, the issue is not biology, but ideology. I will fight to the tooth for the right of any person to be here -- whether Mexican, Jewish, Native American, African American, Persian, even Saudi -- provided they accept American values.

By contrast, people who in any way believe in values that are anti-American (including La Raza, black militancy, left-wing Chomskyism, Islamofacism, etc) have no business being in this country.

My two cents.

#97 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My history prof tought us almost the exact same thing, only he used a circle (or a clock).
The far left was at about 6:30 and the far right was at about 5:30.

That would put Kos and mother Sheehan at about 6:45 and the DLC at about 9:00.

I am hovering around 1:00- 2:00, right where I want to be. To me, that's where the Freedom Movement is.

Cindy Sheehan - when you lie with dogs, don't be surprised to end up with fleas.

ABu, Sir.

Unfortunately People like Chomsky and Sheehan are the price we pay for freedom

isn't that a shame?

Let me see, the majority of Jews oppose the war in Iraq, and nobody in Bush's cabinet is Jewish, yet it's all the Jews fault. These NAZIs are dumber than the Arabs!

Thank you Thumbellina-sharpton-duke-moore-soros-dean-kerry-d urbin-byrd-kennedy.

Mighty long last name you have there....but you've earned it.

From the Same Vanguard page

The pro-Jewish Weblog calling itself "Little Green Footballs," which was one of the censors that got NationalVanguard.org removed from Google News (they were miffed because National Vanguard was listed as a news source and they were not) calls us "neo-Nazis" and resorts to the childish cyber-trick of redirecting everyone who visits their site from a link on Stormfront to a Hebrew-language Web site in Israel.
[ [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] ]

These neo-nazis are against just about everything---communism, capitalism, open borders, free trade, race mixing, globalism, homosexuality, democracy, and Christianity. There's nothing positive here, just disruptive and contradictory beliefs. They need a negative element to give coherence to their "system" and anti-semitism is that element. The immense "Jewish conspiracy" enables these crackpots to be simultaneously anti-communist, anti-capitalist, anti-religious, anti-black and anti-American.

#115 Jakester -"These NAZIs are dumber than the Arabs!" Whoa, let's not get carried away here; neither one of them could spell cat if you spotted them the c and the t!

Excuse me but I posted that so you could see what was being printed on other Anti-American sites. NOT that I support these nut bags. Sheenan is a scumbag! Also check out the earlier post on Raed.

Ignore Dumbalina, post too long, too dull, too full of crap.

Unfortunatley _ must disagree with you on this, Thumbalina

A scumbag DOES serve a purpose!

/sarcasm

That/s how it works - Welcome Ma'm with my apologies for misunderstanding you

#118 Paul

These neo-nazis are against just about everything---communism, capitalism, open borders, free trade, race mixing, globalism, homosexuality, democracy, and Christianity. There's nothing positive here, just disruptive and contradictory beliefs. They need a negative element to give coherence to their "system" and anti-semitism is that element. The immense "Jewish conspiracy" enables these crackpots to be simultaneously anti-communist, anti-capitalist, anti-religious, anti-black and anti-American.

Gee, you know, that sounds familiar, where have I heard rhetoric like that before?

/oh yeah, I know, ISLAM!

Sorry thumbalina, you need a /not me on your posts.

I don't hate anyone, but i really dislike all you folks who can think and touch type at the same time. Just not fair...not fair.

WHo touchtypes ? I'm gonna get em! I use the old-fashioned three finger style

Apology accepted, I should had made it clear. I'm new to posting here, but I read LGF everyday. You guys are great supporters of our military. I'm the spouse of an AF officer who is preparing to go to Iraq soon and I'm deeply upset with what this woman is doing. SHe is endangering the lives of our military and soon my husband. I'm completely outraged and frightend for them.

Jewish power is behind the drive for racial mixing, open borders, raceless globalism, and international capitalism, just as it was behind racially-destructive international Communism.

I wish they would make up their minds.

/sarc off

Toujour Pret

Ah Airforce - your should have said that sooner!

I'm a former Zoomie myself!

" I was never in a Military Organization, I spent 4 years in the Airforce!"

My prayers will be with your husband!

An ol' E4 here

Now I REALLY feel bad. You have our hearts and prayers. I do not fear them, slowly but surely freedom will win, despite all the Mother S*theads out there.

Thumbellina

Welcome... and thank you for you and your husband's service to this country...

And God Bless you both..

120 Thumbellina

Excuse me but I posted that so you could see what was being printed on other Anti-American sites. NOT that I support these nut bags. Sheenan is a scumbag

In that case you have my most humble apology...kinda' next time give a hint with your post....don't need friendly fire happening.

" I was never in a Military Organization, I spent 4 years in the Airforce!"

Ha! I'm telling him what you said. His reply, "chuckle." hehe

RealWest

Thanks for your posts! And Damn straight... we are... Americans.. thanks for reminding me..

Proud .. to be.. an AMERICAN!

Elcid,

Apology accepted. My bad I should had clarified myself.

#131 Bubble Girl - great, just great. I address two very well written posts to you and do I get a thanks? Noooooooo but Thumbellina does?
I'm telling ya, N.O.W. has a LOT to answer for!

#111

Abu Maven  8/28/2005 10:38AM PDT
Bubble Girl,

As I have been trying to convince you, there is at least at 20% chance that you are descended from Spanish Jews. You are a honorary Jew, my friend.

In any event, the issue is not biology, but ideology. I will fight to the tooth for the right of any person to be here -- whether Mexican, Jewish, Native American, African American, Persian, even Saudi -- provided they accept American values.

By contrast, people who in any way believe in values that are anti-American (including La Raza, black militancy, left-wing Chomskyism, Islamofacism, etc) have no business being in this country.

My two cents.

I so agree with you, Abu.. and thank you for the "Honorary Jew".
I am so proud to receive it. Again, thank you..

Realwest

See 134.... I posted it when you were typing yours...

This is kind of a stretch. I am old enough to remember the KKK endorsing Reagan for president.

Well, I'd like to make my own (admittedly limited) attempt at defining the difference between the two sides: middle-class civilization versus those who'd like to return to the Dark Ages.

It was the rise of the urban middle class in Europe from about the 14th century onward that, iteratively, gave birth to many of the values that define the difference between lizardoids and the idiotarians: limited government, equality before the law, commerce, reason, scinence,... Notably, Europe's Jews, forbidden to own land and largely forced into cities, played an integral role in and were inevitably a part of, the emergence of this socio-economic group and its sensibilities, outlooks, and perceptions. One can rest assured that neither the Nazis, the "anti-Zionists", nor the islamists miss that fact for even a moment.

Over time, as the middle class ethos and its consequent advantages iteratively gained ground in the world, they found their ultimate expression in a nation founded of and by the middle class, specifically comitted to its principles and values: the United States of America. America is a nation so rooted in the middle class tradition that even its richest and poorest take its ethos as an assumption. Again, one can rest assured that middle class civilization's enemies aren't completely aware of this fact.

But middle class civilization has always had its enemies. They largely fall into two camps: those who believe that they've found a still better worldview and those displaced by the rise of the middle class outlook. These differences, however, are largely illusory. The crucial component for either is that middle class civilization be set aside and the previously dominant values again take center stage.

Again, this is only a rough analysis, sketching out the bare bones of the opposing camps. I could easily be mistaken or need to refine my thinking further. Let me know if you have any thoughts.

Realwest....

As you can tell, I read the posts from the bottom up... a little Bubble Girl quirk...

and..

PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!

#123 Killian Bundy

Absolutely, that's why "Mein Kampf" and the "Protocols" remain such big sellers in the Arab countries. Fascist/nazi ideology has always been warmly received by Islamists.

Substitute "Islamists" for "neo-nazi" in my posting---it fits perfectly.

#140 -
I'll go with that - It's quite profound

135 Thumbellina

Apology accepted. My bad I should had clarified myself.

Thank you..and I probably have to clean the ear wax, out of my eyes...:).

140 Bill D

Great post...

The other day someone was sneering at the "Leave to Beaver" culture.. worse than sneering...

No need to mention who it was...

REALWEST

I am waiting.. two posts back to you already....

When are we going to get a picture of Cindy wearing a pair of those double lightning bolt earings. My Man, the Reverand Al says she would look positivly fetching in them.

Actually _ still enjoy watching the Old Andy Grifith Show --

It was simple, profound and enjoyable

#138 Bubble Girl - blushing, tongue tied, and ever so grateful that the offices of N.O.W. are closed on Sunday!

Shuffling feet, wipes nose with shirt cuff, then sticks hands in pocket, head bowed, "Sorry Ms. (or is it DR.) Bubbles Girl.
sigh.

realwest, that was just beautiful.
i'm humbled and awed, i just don't know what to say....
Could i bear your children?

All this being nioce stuff is gonna ruin our reputation

And now boys and girls, for Sister Cindy, her fellow moonbat travellers down in Crawford, and, of course, the Nazis, a little mood music . . .

There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side

It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

/Buffalo Springfield/Buffalo Springfield/For What It's Worth

So if I call Sheehan's supporters a 'bunch of Nazi's', does that trigger Godwin's Law?

“A man is known by the company his mind keeps.”

Thomas Bailey Aldrich

This thread reminds me how greatful I am for this website, the generally fine sentiments expressed here, the tolerance for the sometimes foolish things said, and even the occasional fool who passes through.

Thank you, Charles, for making this possible.

149 realwest

Glad we settled that...

Hugs Realwest.. it was you, Baby, that straightened me out.... first.. made me realize how cynical I had become ....

OK, now I'm getting confused.

Is Neo-cons (or whatever) are heartless cruel and have no soul, however we seem to be extremely supportive of each other, we seem to be honestly caring and fairly religious. Aint' that wrong?

#152 Killian Bundy

I love that song, but what exactly is your point?

Is it supposed to be supportive of the Pro-Freedom Protesters or the Anti-Freedom Protesters ?

155 Bubble Girl

Cynicism is sometimes warranted, and sometimes not. The trick is knowing the difference.

156 old prof

I remember the first time I heard Neo-Con... it has a different connotation out here...

The Libs were using it as yet another sideways analogy...

Bush=Hitler
Conservatives=Nazis
Neo-Cons = Bush supporters...

I just about hit the roof...

Speaking of the subject of this thread.

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

Church: God Punishing GIs Over Gays

SMYRNA, Tenn. (AP) - Members of a church say God is punishing American soldiers for defending a country that harbors gays, and they brought their anti-gay message to the funerals Saturday of two Tennessee soldiers killed in Iraq.

The church members were met with scorn from local residents. They chased the church members cars' down a highway, waving flags and screaming "God bless America."

"My husband is over there, so I'm here to show my support," 41-year-old Connie Ditmore said as she waved and American flag and as tears came to her eyes. "To do this at a funeral is disrespectful of a family, no matter what your beliefs are."

The Rev. Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist in Kansas, contends that American soldiers are being killed in Iraq as vengeance from God for protecting a country that harbors gays. The church, which is not affiliated with a larger denomination, is made up mostly of Phelps' children, grandchildren and in-laws.

The church members carried signs and shouted things such as "God hates fags" and "God hates you."

About 10 church members protested near Smyrna United Methodist Church and nearly 20 stood outside the National Guard Armory in Ashland City. Members have demonstrated at other soldier funerals across the nation.

The funerals were for Staff Sgt. Asbury Fred Hawn II, 35, in Smyrna and Spc. Gary Reese Jr., 22, in Ashland City. Both were members of the Tennessee National Guard.

Hundreds of Smyrna and Ashland City residents and families of other soldiers turned out at both sites to counter the message the Westboro Baptist members brought.

So many counter demonstrators were gathered in Ashland City that police, sheriff's deputies and state troopers were brought in to control traffic and protect the protesters.

The church members held protesting permits, and counter protesters in Smyrna turned their backs to Westboro Baptist members until time expired on the protest permits.

"If they were protesting the government, I might even join them," Danny Cotton, 56, said amid cries of "get out of our town" and "get out of our country."

"But for them to come during the worst time for this family - it's just wrong."

The extreme of both sides....should be condemned one small island in the middle of any ocean, preferably on the planet Mars, IF an ocean ever existed there.

Zombie

I think Bubble Girl came up with the only possible name: Americans. She was joking, but hit the nail. We are the true Americans. The other side may live here, but their hearts and souls (if they have them) don't belong to America. Zeb Miller is an American, Cindy Sheehan is not.

With some clever PR work, we could make this work and the results would be devastating to the left. The kind of PR work that came up with the "Don't Mess with Texas" slogan. Started as a anti-litter campaign, it has become much more.

#157 DesertSage

I love that song, but what exactly is your point?

Apparently, my preface was a little too subtle. Anyway, does it really matter?

/do I have to have a point?

 #158

Earth2moonbat  8/28/2005 11:20AM PDT

155 Bubble Girl

Cynicism is sometimes warranted, and sometimes not. The trick is knowing the difference.

Cynicism is just as much a trap as any other disorder... you don't realize you are infested until someone else points it out to you..

USA, take that back, I am not an "occassional fool", just an old fool. ;>)

By the way, I am a 30 year academic. This is why I am rather sanguine about the Sheehan thing. Each time a new twit pops up gets their 30 minutes and the press is less respected than it was before. The left can't understand why it didn't work and the MSM doesn't understand why we don't believe them.

By the way, isn't trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result a little, um, nuts?

Does anyone else remember the Student Revolutionary Brigades?
(They are still around, but who knows?)

In a tragic way, Ms. Sheehan and the neo Nazi losers who support her idiocy have a lot in common with the Arabs. With the Arabs it is always the same tired and boring story, you know, it's all the fault of the Jews, we can't win at anything because the Jews are too smart, too rich, or too powerful. The Arab narrative is always full of smarmy self pity, and deep Jewish conspiracies. Just like the Sheehans and the neo Nazis, except that they say if it wasn't for the Jews, they might have jobs, or money, or influence, or they might be sober and hardworking, the same self pity and the same total lack of responsibility.

#140 Bill Dalasio - That was a very, very interesting anaylisis. For one thing, it made me spell check on "iteratively" (now if I only knew what it meant; c'mon you're not going to make me reach for the dictionary, are you?).
Secondly, your line "a nation founded of and by the middle class," needs a little work. There is no one here on LGF who admires the founding fathers (relax folk, this is not going to be yet anther two post "tome" on how great they were)more than do I; but the OVERWHELMING majority of the founding fathers were, at the time, considered men of significant wealth (indeed, some historians claim that John Hancock was the 12th richest man in Great Britain). That this wealth did not blind them to what they perceived as the merchant class, the farming class and the shipping class, (all of the true labor of which was done by what we today would consider "lower middle calls") is just one of the miraculous achievements of the founding fathers. So, as I said, that one line needs a little bit of a rewrite.
Please don't make me reach for the dictionary, I beg you!

#140 Bill D

Yes, I too believe you have the essence of it.

Lizardoid = Middle Class Values = Decent Folk

Thank you for your exposition.

what I posted Al Jazeera's comments box (let's see if they use it):

Its beyond me how these left wing fascists and their Neo-Nazi brothers call the liberation of Iraq a "war for Israel".

For a start, Israel was never that threatened by Iraq, but if they did have some secret supernatural ability to order America into battle, surely they would have picked a more threatening enemy - like Syria.

Indeed, the only neighbouring countries that were engaged in armed conflict with Saddam (i.e. Kuwait, Iran and occupied Kurdistan) were MUSLIM countries!

So it's even stranger when people call this a "war on Islam".

The Iraq war stopped a tyrant who had tortured and murdered millions of Muslims.
The Iraq war gave DOZENS of millions Shia Muslims the freedom to practice their religion again.

The only reason that British and American troops are staying in the country is because the Iraqi government have asled them to stay.

Why?

To protect Muslims from extremist Islamist cult groups.

163 Bubble Girl

But, there is a such thing as justified cynicism. The trap, is when you start generalizing it. Then it gets another name: paranoia.

let's see if I have this right-

Al Sharpton
David Duke
The Nazi's
Daily KOS
MoveOn.org
Radical Islam

All wanting the same thing! Whatever that "thing" is, I'm against it! "By their friends ye shall known them". How right "they" are!

164 David E

By the way, isn't trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result a little, um, nuts?

Does anyone else remember the Student Revolutionary Brigades?
(They are still around, but who knows?)

Why yes, it is nuts..

What about the SDS and the Weathermen? Watch out.. Big Brother is out to get you...

#166 PINMF - that should of course be "lower middle class").
shit.

 #169

Earth2moonbat  8/28/2005 11:28AM PDT

163 Bubble Girl

But, there is a such thing as justified cynicism. The trap, is when you start generalizing it. Then it gets another name: paranoia.

True. Cynicism is needed to protect us from things like...

It's okay to go back into the water...

/15th local resident attacked by Great White Shark

160 El Cid

These people are horrible.

#21

And so, when is Al Sharpton coming to Camp Cindy? Surely Al will set those Liberals straight about racism....

Ahem.

Killian Bundy...

LoL... sometimes people just don't get us...

 #175

nickpicker  8/28/2005 11:35AM PDT

#21

And so, when is Al Sharpton coming to Camp Cindy? Surely Al will set those Liberals straight about racism....

Ahem.

#161 [Engineer] - Harrumph, my good fellow, please see my #84 and my #105.

Ain't it grand to know how great minds think a like?!

#162 Killian Bundy

/do I have to have a point?

No, you don't have to make a point. I was just a little kid back when that song came out.
I do remember that Buffalo Springfield/CSN&Y were very far left anti-war activists, part of the crowd that almost destroyed this country. Hearing them and hearing that mother Sheehan have "absolute moral authority" just makes me sick.
They don't have absolute moral authority and they are not part of an anti-war movement. They are part of an anti-freedom movement, and I for one would like to call it for what it is.

That being said, I guess we're on the same side on this one.

Engineer...How about "true Americans". Period! Thrn what about me, I am Canadian?

Sharpton: Christian right often misguided

Yes folks, the man who brought you Tawana Brawley is, as we speak, headed for Texas.

/where, by the way, they BUY THEIR OWN CLOTHES!

The Nazi idiots should get on their knees and say thank you. The poverty, caused by Communism, in Eastern Europe has actually kept immigrants away, keeping those lands "whiter", on average.

Since these people have obviously given up on their country in its current form, I'm not sure why they even continue to pay lip service to the very "All-American" struggle against Communism.

173 Bubble Girl

How does that saying go? "Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me"......

Gee, I wonder how many white supremacists have voted Democrat vs. Republican? I'm guessing you probably don't want to hear the answer to that.

174 Bubble Girl

These people are horrible.

You can say that again. Actually, I'll say it for you...these people are horrible.

 #183

wood-butcher  8/28/2005 11:43AM PDT

Gee, I wonder how many white supremacists have voted Democrat vs. Republican? I'm guessing you probably don't want to hear the answer to that.

Golly... why don't you tell us?

#177 realwest

Ain't it grand to know how great minds think a like?!

I should have refreshed before I posted, but it doesn't hurt to have it said many times:

We are Americans, the left just lives here.

184 El Cid

Yes...

Horrible and evil. This is why I believe there really is Hell... an eternal Hell... for the pain and suffering these despicable POS are causing..

#183 wood-butcher

Well, the only one I know for sure which way he voted was Robert Byrd. He voted Democrat.

#185 Bubble Girl

I think you could probably puzzle it out yourself.

101st Fighting Keybordists = Liebstandate George Bush

#183 wood-butcher

Gee, I wonder how many white supremacists have voted Democrat vs. Republican? I'm guessing you probably don't want to hear the answer to that.

For the hard core anti-freedom types, it is always the people that are closest to your thinking that are the most dangerous to you. Why do you think Hitler attacked Stalin? The neo-nazis know that the left would kill them all if they got the chance, where the right believes in the rule of law.

Right. The Byrd argument. I actually did see that one coming. There are exceptions to every rule. Do your really think the pc, multi-culturalist, embrace everyone policies of the Democrats have garnered much support from the racist bigot demographic? Do we really need to argue this point?

#183 wood-butcher

You're living in the past. The white supremasists did try to infiltrate the Republican party but we didn't want them so we gave them the boot.

Since then, they've found a new home with you people on the left. Embrace them, get used to them, you all think alike anyhow. If you didn't, the democrats would denounce Ms. Sheehans anti-semitic remarks, but they don't...HAH!

PIMF "Leibstandarte" George Bush

If you want to see grotesque political combination, check out the Green Nazi's.

#160 Elcid

What is wrong with these people

Well thanks for the positive feedback, folks!
/blushing

#166 realwest,

Very interesting point. Its admittedly one I have some problems getting a real handle around either way. I'm going to try to draw a distinction that I could easily have down wrong: wealth versus class in colonial America. Specifically, where would men like Washington, Hancock, Adams, have placed themselves in the British pecking order of the day. My understanding is that in Britain of the day, class didn't really result from how much money you had but from your parentage. Wasn't it fairly common, after all, for successful merchants to marry into nobility that had fallen on hard times? Or am I predating this? I could very easily be wrong on this, but wouldn't they have been seen as "upstarts with more money than breeding"?

#189 wood-butcher

I think you could probably puzzle it out yourself.

Well, according to this LLL moonbat, the Nazis are all from one party.

/paranoid or unhinged or both?

Do your really think the pc, multi-culturalist, embrace everyone policies of the Democrats have garnered much support from the racist bigot demographic?

Are you trying to ask if the policies of the Democrats garner support of racists and bigots?

If so, absolutely yes. As evidenced not only by the groups represented in Crawford, but by the racists and bigots voicing opinions on leftist websites like DU, KOS, ATRIOS, etc.

As well as their leadership as evidenced by Byrd, etal.

So yes, I would be happy to have that argument.

I want the Photo of Al Sharpton standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the Neo-Nazis.

Cindy Sheehan's trip from LA to Crawford:
$650.00

Average cost for a good Texas BBQ plate with Potato Salad:
$10.00

Photo of Rev. Al Sharpton hugging a Neo-Nazi: Priceless

Well, isn't that just so special. My computer at work brings up this when I click on National Vanguard -

The Websense category "Racism and Hate" is filtered.

Way to go Cindy. They love ya.

Posit this...

The Gulf Coast area and beyond get the worst of the worst.

Our oil gathering AND refining capacity is seriously harmed.

The nations attention is elsewhere do to this AND the left/right radicals showing their American right but UN-American attitude.

Wouldn't this be the time a islamapsychopathic neanderthal would be likely to strike?

#160 Elcid

Those Rev. Fred Phelps nutballs turn up in all the most unlikely places. They are completely psychotic, and totally loathsome. Their only ideology is hate -- hate of homosexuals. They show up in San Francisco sometimes to cause a ruckus.

Problem is, because these loonies identify themselves as Christians, and because the moonbats incorrectly presume all anti-idiotarians are also all conservative Christians, they conflate us with the Phelps clan, and try to tar us with being somehow associated with Phelps.

Which of course is absurd. As this funeral incident shows, Phelps is more on THEIR side than on ours. But that won't stop the Kossacks from assigning Phleps to our camp.

But instead it looks like ALL the loonies are flocking to the anti-American LLLoney bin, regardless of their politics.

196 BBEV

What is wrong with these people

Don't exactly know...but their illness, is as bad as leftist disease.

#194 harry9000

"Leibstandarte" George Bush

Gee, isn't W a little young to have served with the storied 1st SS Panzer Division?

Are you a lumberjack?

/do you trust the Shover Robot?

The esteemed Google News site "Conspiracy Planet" explains that the neo-nazis coming to Crawford were sent there . . . by Karl Rove and the Jews of Palm Beach! And they have a cute little swastika embedded in a Star of David, in case you have trouble reading.

[Link: news.google.com...]

As Cindy Sheehan renews her vigil outside the Bush ranch, a group of "White Supremacists" have shown up just in time for the mainstream media to proclaim that the peace movement harbors racists and (shudder) anti-Semites!

The timing is just too cute to be believed, and in an age where Karl Rove has redefined political dirty tricks to a degree that even Dick Nixon would admire, one has good reason to be skeptical who the "White Supremacists" are and more to the point, who they work for.

zombie someone was talking about phelps on fox and said that he supported clinton and gore.

OT

I'm watching Fox News and dear sweet people that cannot leave New Orleans, waiting in line .

YES the line is moving, but because of islamapsychopaths, everyones grocery bag, suitcase, back pack, etc., etc., is being checked throughly by the Louisiana National Guard, making this seem it will take a year for these souls to get into what we hope, is a safe facility.

#179 hornet

Are you from Western Canada? I understand some folks in the prairie provinces would like to secede from Canada.

#197 Bill Dalasio

Well all I can say is that much of my family’s land goes back to Kings grant. Any rich females out here . I surly have no money. sac/ I love my wife, well unless you have a couple billion $

193 DesertSage

Blogs tend to attract people with extreme beliefs, as evidenced by some of the comments on this site. Comments made by folks on the outermost fringes of the Left and Right are hardly representative of peoples voting habits. Byrd is an abberation. He gets elected because he is good at getting federal handouts in a have-not state.
The civil rights movement was about people fighting the Right-wing leaders of that time. If there has been some great cosmic shift since that time and now the racist bigot set is voting Democrat I would be happy to consider some evidence that supports that assertion other than some anonymous idiot's rantings on a blog and some misguided criticism of Israel's policies.
IMO there are many on the Right who have taken some Leftist's criticism of Israel's policies and tried their best to attribute this to a general atmosphere of intolerance on the part of the Left. I just don't see it.
It may surprise you to hear that I am not a Leftist.

#206 Morgan

Wow. I love how the only reasoning for them to believe that it has something to do with Karl Rove is this -

Stormfront is a CORPORATION. And the registrant and technical contact addresses are in Palm Beach, Florida.

PALM BEACH, FLORIDA?!?

Something tells me that Stormfront isn't what it seems to be.

Loons are fun to watch.

i HATE nazis.

So what do we find in Article 151 of the Iraqi constitution?

"No less than 25 percent of Council of Deputies seats go to women."

I'm not a great fan of quotas but for purposes of comparison, after two-and-a-quarter centuries, in the United States Senate, 14 percent of the seats are held by women.
...
The real quagmire is at home, where the kinkily gleeful relish of defeatism manifested by Cindy Sheehan, Joan Baez, Ted Kennedy et al. bears less and less relationship to anything happening over there. Iraq's future is a matter for the Iraqis now -- which, given the U.S. media, Democrat blowhards like Joe Biden and Republican squishes like Chuck Hagel, is just as well.

Mark Steyn

#211, woodbutcher (najar). Have you had your plumb line calibrated lately?

#210 BBEV,

I love my wife, well unless you have a couple billion $

Wow! Who would have ever thought that John Kerry would make an appearance on LGF? :-)

I prefer pro-freedom over Americans as that includes Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Danes, Dutch, Ukranians, and all people that embrace freedom (including our Canadian friends on this blog).

Oh, and ignore the silly little troll, he only thinks he knows.

WOOD-BUTCHER

want evidence that the Democrats are the true histirically racist and pro-segregation party?

Read this

I'd be interested afterwards to read your response to your assertion that people were somehow fighting against the "right-wing" at the time...

Lemme try this again...

I am an American.

I am a Zionist.

I am a Jew.

Don't like it? Bring your own bodybags, because I'm not giving up what my grandfathers and my father fought and bled for.

BRING
IT,
R

#216 Bill Dalasio

WOW, That heart , I was only kidding. :-}

But billions and billions. With my wifes conditios I could give her all the money to help get her well.

But if Bush is compared to Hitler, and the Commiez/Nazis are supporting Sheean, what does his make Bush?

It should be called Camp I hate Bush because he murdered my son in the name of Isreal, and now I am being supported by Naziz. No longer "greving" mother.

An interesting - not unrelated - article by Zvi Mazel - former Israeli Ambassador to Sweden:

The Old Diplomacy is Dead

#218 aRedPhishHead

Wow, that was a great read! I'm going to print out copies and give them to my liberal friends.

The only problem is, they won't get it...much like the Wood Butcher.

DesertSage

Bwahaha!

#211 Woody

now the racist bigot set is voting Democrat I would be happy to consider some evidence that supports that assertion other than some anonymous idiot's rantings on a blog and some misguided criticism of Israel's policies.

How about the Nat'l Council of Churches and their left wing affilates? They are very solidly Democratic. Go to their Web site

[Link: www.ncccusa.org...]

Now, they only hate two countries. The U.S. and Israel. I'll give them the US 'cuz that's what liberals do.

But why do these Democratic churches overlook a couple of dozen really nasty nations, and single out little Israel? Which by the way, happens to be a country full of Jews. Some odd co-incidence?

#205 Killian Bundy:

Are you a lumberjack?

Um, no. What would make you think that?

I was trying to make the connection;

Bush = Hitler

101st Fighting Keybordists = Leibstandarte George Bush

I'll be shutting up now.

/shrinks in the corner

#220 BBBEV,

My apologies. No offense intended. My embarassment is just seared, SEARED in my memory :-) Jokes aside my prayers for your wife.

#211 wood-butcher
The civil rights movement was about people fighting the Right-wing leaders of that time. If there has been some great cosmic shift since that time and now the racist bigot set is voting Democrat I would be happy to consider some evidence that supports that assertion ...
... there are many on the Right who have taken some Leftist's criticism of Israel's policies and tried their best to attribute this to a general atmosphere of intolerance on the part of the Left. I just don't see it.

wood-butcher, you are living in the political Stone Age. The imaginary "racist bigot set" which the Left has set up as their straw-man opponent doesn't even exist anymore. The Left of 2005 is fighting an opponent from 1954, which even then were a minority. No one on LGF or anyone who calls themselves an anti-idiotarian possesses ANY of the racist attitudes exhibited by southern bigots in the '50s and '60s (and earlier). That demographic has shrunk to a tiny minority, and are largely irrelevant to modern politics. Anti-idiotarians come in all colors, ethnicities and persuasions, and we have no bigotry toward anyone of a color different from one's own.

The world has completely changed since your worldview was ossified. It's not really about Democrat and Republican any more. The nature of the Democratic Party has changed several times throughout history: they used to be the party of slavery and segregation, then they became the party of unions and big-government welfare; and now they are becoming the party of intolerance, responsibility-denial, racism of lowered expectations, isolationism, contrarianism, collusion, internationalism, and much more.

Yes, I challenge you that the Democratic Party is once again the party of racism: it has come full circle from its origins. But the racism comes in three forms: first, anti-Euro-ethnic racism, in which all things "white" are deemed evil and corrupt; and all things "non-white" are inherently good by their very nature. This isn't just "reverse" racism -- that concept is a canard. It is flat-out racism. Secondly, the extremist anti-Israel stance exhibited by many in the Democratic Party dovetails exactly with the exterminationist plans of Islamic fundamentalists, and puts the Dems squarely in the same camp as those who want to exterminate Israel, and all Jews. So, whether it pleases you or not, the Dems are in bed with anti-Semites, and if you sleep with the enemy you become the enemy. Thirdly, the "racism of lowered expectations" is the centerpiece of Democratic beliefs, and applies in the US as well as overseas. The Democratic policy that brown-skinned peoples in Iraq and Rwanda and Afghanistan and Vietnam and everywhere else that the US has intervened post-WWII don't deserve our freedoms and protection, and should be left to be slaughtered and opporessed, is a form of racism as well. And domestically, the Dem principle of "Affirmative Action" (surely the most effective euphemism ever concocted) only implies that the Dems believe that minorities can't succeed on their own. Affirmative Action only leads to humiliation and embarrassment for minorities and resentment by non-minorities, who presume unequal treatment.

Everywhere you turn, the Dems support racist policies.

Mind you, I don't identify as Democratic or Republican, and until 2004 I voted almost exclusively for Democrats. And in 2004 I would have voted for Leiberman if he had won the Dem primaries. I am not a knee-jerk anti-Democrat, but the truth is harsh and I have to lay it on the line.

From #218's link. Something I forgot about..

US Rep Corrine Brown (Dem FL) calls Asst Sec'y of State Roger Noriega and several Hispanic Congressman a bunch of white men. They says "you all look alike to me).

Nothing racist there. (sarc)

As Mr. Burns would say while rubbing his hands together: "Excellent"

228 zombie

Zombie hits another one out of the park......

Zombie: Nice post but too long, first and last paragraphs enough and very much to the point.

Just a little friendly fire.

#228 zombie

Very rational, something Dems (used to be).
Maybe Wood-chucker would like to join us on the side of sanity?

My Liberal friends claim they "love" this country, and that they are "Americans" and "Patriots."

I know a liberal who says things like that, but I question his true feeling towards the US.

-He hates seeing American flags. I've been in a car with this guy and he gets pissed when he says American flag decals. He mocks those that love the flag

-He keeps talking about how much better it is in Europe. Particularly France.

#234 Dave the.....

I'll pitch in for a one way ticket...

#227 Bill Dalasio

I save every penny that I can. I get strange looks from store clerks when I wait for my penny change and not just say, “keep the change” I have over 200 pounds of penny’s. and rolled over $1000.00 in change today. I need to wash my hands.

zombie - I liked the unabridged version.

Well, Here she goes again -

CINDY SHEEHAN TO ASSESS ZIONIST...

at [Link: satire...] - DOT- myblogsite -DOT- com/blog/_archives/2005/8/19/1148328.html

I was at a picnic yesterday and one of the attendees has a son in the Army.

His son is a sniper and training in California for deployment.

History Channels "Mail Call" guy shows up one day and they filmed a segment on the modern day sniper. This guys son demonstrated the new equipment.

Look forward to seeing it air.

Has MSNBC's house "conservative" Pat Buchanan made it down to Crawford yet?

blackacre, if you are writing to the choir,longer comments are fine. But have you read a long post top to bottom that you disagree with? I certainly haven't. I hope that zombie was argueing to people who are having second thoughts, in which case I believe shorter are better (of course he could write them serially over say 4 posts, each one bit sized (byte sized?, sorry, I'll go to my corner now))

#226 harry9000

I was trying to make the connection;

Bush = Hitler

101st Fighting Keybordists = Leibstandarte George Bush

Well, if you didn't mean that as Bush bashing, you might want to leave some type of less subtle clue to that effect, as to your intentions.

/otherwise you might be labeled as a lumberjack

#228 zombie

You have said it better than I ever could. I, with your permission would like to use your statement at my next family outing. I look up to you and thank you.

189 wood-butcher

Got wood?

The Neo -Nazis hate the government... Repubs or Dems.. .. where you been?

#238 hermes1LA

Look mommy, it's the Blog Pimp!

Just ignore it honey and it won't hurt you.

/blog pimps suck!

#241 david e

in which case I believe shorter are better

I disagree. I wish every post here was as long as Zombie's was, assuming it was as well written. "Talking Points" and "Sound Bites" are for the mentally lazy.

140, 193, 195, 211

I don't know much about American neo-Nazis, but it could be that there is a link between liberal political culture and the rise of neo-Naziism. I don't mean that they support each other overtly, but somehow they have a symbiotic connection or parallel existence in the current atmosphere. I have seen neo-Nazis marching recently in Germany and it seems that they are thriving in the liberal climate of EU-dominated Europe, that is trying to contain them.

140 -- very interesting. Middle class society defines the west now, not just America, but there is now a struggle going on within the middle classes over whether the left or right will define western civilization as a whole.

Dear Engineer, thanks for calling me lazy minded.

#245 Killian Bundy

/blog pimps suck!

especially ones that can't even do a link right.

246 [Engineer]

Bite me!

#243 BBEV
#228 zombie

You have said it better than I ever could. I, with your permission would like to use your statement at my next family outing.

Permission? You don't need my permission! It's just a blog comment. Feel free to quote it, re-use it, however you see fit! I would be honored.

I look up to you

Getouddahere. I do not deserve admiration!

250 Bubble Girl

Now I'm in a quandry. As an official member of both the Zombie fan club and the Bubble Girl fan club, you're forcing me to make a painful choice. I think that was one of many outstanding Zombie posts. I wish that if you think that it's too long, that you could condense it into a Bubble Girl sized and styled one. But don't complain about these gems.

OTOH, maybe you're right, I'm a member of your fan club too.......

#248 david e

Dear Engineer, thanks for calling me lazy minded.

Well, I could say that if the shoe fits...

LGF is an adult blog discussing some of the most serious problems this world faces. I doubt you understand just how important this blog is nor how many VIPs read it.

For example, I posted a link to some pictures I took in Crawford here and I got over 30,000 visitors from Sudan.

So, race mixing is a Zionist plan, is it? Funny, I don't remember any marching orders when I married my Japanese wife. Do our children automatically receive free Israeli citizenship? :P

The Zionists beamed their evil plan through my dental fillings....

And if there's any inbred, toothless group of hicks in this country even lower than the neo nazis and the pro-terrorist traitors known as "progressives," it has to be the:

Church of Reverend Fred Phelps.

Bastards....

#250 Bubble Girl

Bite me!

I love it!

#250 Bubble Girl

Bite me!

Sure. When and where:-)

#239 Dave The...

I was at a picnic yesterday and one of the attendees has a son in the Army.

His son is a sniper and training in California for deployment.

History Channels "Mail Call" guy shows up one day and they filmed a segment on the modern day sniper. This guys son demonstrated the new equipment.

Look forward to seeing it air.

FYI -

Sniper School/Hand Signals/Ho Chi Minh Trail/Motorcycles/Loading Palettes/C-119: #32.
Airs on Friday, September 2 at 10:30pm ET

How do the Marines train snipers? What kind of hand signals do our soldiers use? How did the Viet Cong manage to bring so many supplies into South Vietnam on the primitive Ho Chi Minh Trail? What types of motorcycles have the military used through the years? Can the military air drop tanks? When did the C-119 Flying Boxcar transport plane operate and what did it carry? R. Lee Ermey heads to the field to answer these exciting viewers' questions on military technology. TVPG

Oh, September 2nd. My B-Day. Now Lizards, nothing too big or expensive. M'kay.

 #256

[Engineer]  8/28/2005 01:33PM PDT

#250 Bubble Girl
Bite me!

Sure. When and where:-)

LOL~~

257 Right Wing

Sept 2? How many candles do we put on your cake?

254 Cooper4Prez

We were commenting on these evil and despicable people earlier. Where is Vlad the Impaler when you need him?

Oh, an ADULT blog. Excuuuse me. The fact is, I know many of the longer comments are not read through except by people who agree with them.

Much of the importance of this blog is the collegial discussions that happen here. I have enjoyed some of your earlier posts, but I guess you are not much of a collegue. Do you really want to rely on pithy insults rather than discussions? If so I will ignore you.

It's a good thing our gang got there yesterday and made a big splash because today Katrina's knocked everything else off the news. Good job. With any luck Katrina will veer a little west and drop lots of rain on the Sheehadis. (LUV that term but can't take credit...someone at FR thought it up but it's perfect, isn't it?)

#259 Bubble Girl

Ummm. 22. No 25. No 27.

OK, make it 32 :-)

#260 Bubble Girl

Where is Vlad the Impaler when you need him?

The ones that are stuck in 700 use a knife, the modern ones use a wood chipper.

Didn't Vlad do his thing to scare off Muslims?

264 Engineer

Actually, I need to find out more about good old Vlad. I read that the crime rate was 0... because he would and could kill you for absolutely no reason. He left a golden goblet in the middle of the town square... no one dared to steal it.. He invited all the poor to a sumptuous banquet.. served them the meal, then had the doors and windows barred to the castle and then burned it down with the people still eating their last meal.

#242 Killian Bundy

Oh, I dont know. Im pretty sure the other lizards understand I was being humorous.

Lumberjacks against Bush? Thats a connection I dont understand.

Bubble Girl (#260),

Sorry I missed the earlier comments. That group is so offensive, I can't think of a specific event which I could categorize as their "worst." Each stunt outdoes the previous one.

From demonstrating at Matthew Sheppard's funeral, to creating comics depicting American G.I.s raping Iraqi boys, these subhumans are about as low as a twisted soul can get without strapping on an explodey-belt and walking onto a school bus.

I can't think of a more reprehensible group of cockroaches.

#261 david e

What are we arguing about here? I can't believe that one moderate-length blog comment has precipitated a fight over how long blog-comments are allowed to be. It's ridiculous.

A comment can be as short and pithy as "Bite me!" or it can go on and on and on about nothing at all. If you don't like it -- scroll on by. If you think it didn't express itself perfectly -- then write one of your own that expresses the same sentiment more to your liking. I do not exist as some sort of on-call essayist who has to pump out pefectly worded masterworks of the exact right length to please both my allies and my enemies. I'm just a random idiot sitting here in my pajamas typing the first thing that occurs to me off the top of my head.

If you think moonbats can only be convinced by short and succinct comments, then I encourage you to write those comments to your own specifications. I'm sure they will be very cogent. And hopefully they will be effective. We're on the same side here, so we are free to explore all methods of communicating. We don't have to choose between short and long: we can choose short AND long.

#261 david e

Much of the importance of this blog is the collegial discussions that happen here.

I disagree. A lot of the fun here is the banner that goes on. Nothing wrong with that. However, the importance of this blog is the information and ideas that are posted. Zombie's post was actually short, many of the better posts have spanned several comment blocks because of the 4K limit.

The fact is, I know many of the longer comments are not read through except by people who agree with them.

No, you only know what your habits are, not the other 80K or so that read this blog everyday.

Do you really want to rely on pithy insults rather than discussions? If so I will ignore you.

I haven't insulted you. Yet.

265 Bubble Girl

Vlad was also known as Dracula (I think you know that). The business about Transylvania is out of a Novel that was written in the 19th century. He was actually Prince of Wallachia, which is more valuable territory than Transylvania. Wallachia is the breadbasket.

Vlad wasn't a very nice guy, though. Somewhat like Saddam. He did deflect the Turks, who marched past Wallachia on their way to Vienna.

Engineer (#264),

The ones that are stuck in 700 use a knife, the modern ones use a wood chipper.

LOL! I just finished watching Fargo for about the 12th time! Good timing!

#266 harry9000

Oh, I dont know. Im pretty sure the other lizards understand I was being humorous

In that case, I sincerely apologize, carry on with what you were doing.

/apparent trolls don't seem to want to reveal their lumberjack status, drives them nuts, haven't got a straight answer from one of them yet, never mind that I have a whole series of follow up questions for them

Thanks RWC

I'll let him know the date.

Local bloggers Shot-in-the-dark have a nice overview of the local Democratic party and their efforts to eliminate any moderate voices in the party:

If you're not from Saint Paul, the local DFL can be bewildering. The stereotype of the city party is the relentlessly sanctimonious, Volvo-driving, MPR-listening, free-range-Alpaca-wearing, Kathleen-Soliah-supporting, Wellstone-sign-in-yard-after-two-years-not-removin g, sixties-pining, politically-correct-to-a-fault frump. But the East Side DFL is a little more bumptious - the pro-union, pro-USA party that John F. Kennedy, Harry Truman and Scoop Jackson might recognize.

So what is the City DFL telling the East Siders who support their guy Kelly?

My vote: "Shut up and think when we tell you to think".

[Link: www.shotinthedark.info...]

268 Zombie

Hey, hey, hey.... I'm the random idiot here...

I'm just a random idiot sitting here in my pajamas typing the first thing that occurs to me off the top of my head.

My posts are all over the place.. you have a talent for putting your thoughts into a well thought out piece that is easily comprehended by those of us with AADD.

KIllian Bundy:

apparent trolls don't seem to want to reveal their lumberjack status

Im not finding references to "Lumberjack" in the LGF dictionary. Trolls have a "Lumberjack status"? What does that mean?