I'm praying it will miss N.O.

Oh, yeah. Bush. Obviously.

It ain't going to miss N.O. Sorry.

#1 Semper Fi

Me too, but I think it's pretty much a done deal, now, unless it does a 180 or so.

Where Are the Louisiana National Guard?
by Patricia Taylor
Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 07:55:41 PDT

Ah moonbat I just saw a bunch of them at the Superdome.

Wonder what the structural limits are on the Super Dome? Some estimates have the wind gusts at the strongest part to be around 200 mph.....that is damn strong.

The Louisiana National Guard are in force. Turn on any tv and you will see pictures of the Superdome with National Guard on duty.

#6

Its not the wind, its the H2O.

Repeat: Former SSG needs to get out of Destin.

Scientists predicted Katrina could easily overtake that levee system, swamping the city under a 30-feet cesspool of toxic chemicals, human waste and even coffins that could leave more than 1 million people homeless.

Forcripesakes. That quote is all over the media. Toxic chemicals are not going to be a significant problem. Or coffins. Sewage, possibly. Water, definately. Wassup with these media types?

I wonder if sheehan woulda felt any better if her son had died saving someone during a storm?

Sandspur,

I've been able to e-mail so no phone call necessary at this point.

Guess I'd better scare up a big, thick novel because there will likely be a LOT of reading for entertainment the next few days.

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#5 I think that I read that about 3000 of our LNG are in Iraq. We've lost quite a few to the bad guys lately. Our local paper does a good job of covering the families and the funerals. Very tasteful and in no way political.

#6 mad_scientist

I heard on Fox that the Superdome can withstand wind speeds of 135 mph. But that was only in field tests. One positive though is that none of the skyscrapers were around it at the time so the winds will be diminished some.

#6 mad_scientist

I believe FNC said earlier that the SuperDome was built to withstand 135 mph winds. But I agree with goldmember, the water will do the most damage....

#10 Earth2moonbat

Wassup with these media types?

Ratings.

The greater the predictions of doom, the more viewers will turn in to their coverage.

Or maybe they're just giving in to mob mentality.

#10 Earth2moonbat,

I think that chemicals WILL be a problem. Household chemicals, gasoline, pesticides, and who knows what else.... Maybe not industrial chemicals, but chemicals just the same.

Regardless, the water is going to be nasty. Lots of small wildlife that will die and decompose....

#8

I know the flooding is the major problem, but if the "last resort" (Super Dome) cant hold up to the wind it could be a lot worse......especially for the 20,000 that are counting on it holding up.

kos: "And where are these National Guard right now?"

I can understand why you would wonder about this. The Guard and Reserve are volunteer, just like the rest of the Armed Forces. Consequently, not too many of them are going to be hanging out with the surrender-monkey crowd at kos, doncha know?
ESABATM.

I heard that the SuperDome was "field"tested to withstand 135 mph. That doesn't sound like it is anywhere near strong enough. Also, at least the first level of the SD will be flooded with the predicted 30' storm surge.

From Kos

wonder if the Bush supporters would be willing to head for New Orleans to pack some sandbags?
All they're doing in Crawford is waving picket signs, harassing peaceful protesters.

1. Bush supporters are in N.O. helping already.

2.How are the 'peaceful protesters' helping with storm preparations?

3.I've seen pictures all day of men in uniform helping direct evacuation routes and setup refugee shelters.

4.What is the reality based moonbat community doing to help?

5.How is a lawful counter-protest considered 'harassment'?

Regarding the Kos kids and their Natl Guard thing: If a direct hit or even close Iraq would be safer.

My thoughts and prayers are with those of New Orleans. I wish them good health and a better tommorow.

May God Bless all of you in Katrina's path.

Only Moonbats could come to a conclusion that a natural phenom like a hurricane could be the result of a Republican Administration.

Naturally they'd prefer a continuous video loop of the former cigar-smoking pre-impeachment-pre-disgraced-perjuror Democrat playin' the bongos in Africa.

I don't think the moonbats watch TV. I saw at least 25 national guard personnel and tons of military vehicles at the Superdome.

Does everything that happens have to be blamed on Bush?
What a bunch of wackos.

I have two things. First, what do these dumbsh*ts think the National Guard could have done that it's not already doing? There's nothing you can do to stop an act of G-d except to get the f*ck out of its way.

Second, what a bunch of f*cking hypocrites. I don't remember the Left making too much of a fuss when Slick Willy was hacking and slacking the military's budget to death. They seemed overjoyed that that money, instead, went into social programs including welfare.

The Gov of La was on a little while ago and said they have 4,000 La National Guard troops on standby.

Nothing says "politics" like a giant hurricane.

/insane in the membrane

I thought the kos folks wanted to keep the troops out of harm's way? so confused by those guys

sorry AI, but kos sounds a little like you did earlier (ducks)

Charles, thanks for this thread. It is a major story.

Others, try not to pay too much attention to the nutjobs on the left. They remind me of cockroaches when the lights are turned on. From my urban childhood that is. Knee jerk insects and looney leftists have a lot in common.

The real world and Katrina should be of more concern for the next few days. Let us stay focused. I look here
for human interest insight.

MA

Not only is Bush the worst President ever, but he is also a total asshole for fucking over New Orleans.

Oh yeah, and that would explain why God and Dubya have never been photographed together...

Dang, what a bunch of goofballs. I guess it's only a matter of time now before they uncover the Zioneocon/Bushalliburton kitten-killing cabal.

Did he just say Swamp Monsters ?

N.O. Mayor on Fox news

I'm in Crowley, La. with relatives. Now to see if I still have an apartment and a workplace after tomorrow.

Now, will the left kindly hold off on politicizing things until after I find out just how many of my friends have died? Goddamn goat-feltching fucktarded asshats!

Venice LA,

Bouy reports:

Wind 71.4 mph

#18 cracker_jones

kos: "And where are these National Guard right now?" I can understand why you would wonder about this. The Guard and Reserve are volunteer, just like the rest of the Armed Forces. Consequently, not too many of them are going to be hanging out with the surrender-monkey crowd at kos, doncha know?

In other words, they too damn busy to be posting on f*cking Daily Kos!

The LNG has been on the MSM coverage all damn day and the Kossacks haven't seen them? Oh yeah, that's right: they don't watch the MSM, 'cause they are "corporatist shills for the neocon Bush Regime!"

Sarah D, I think Destin's fairly OK with this one. I'm watching from central AL with Ivan thoughts.

earth2moonbat #10

They're talking about the city being under 30 feet of water. Coffins have been known to wash out of cemeteries in severe floods.

Sewage systems will be totally overwhelmed by that kind of flooding.

And why couldn't there be toxic waste washed out of the soil with that much water?

I'm from Louisiana and I have a few friends in the guard. I want to assure everyone that we are not short on guardsmen in Louisiana. My friend is in N.O. now helping out the superdome just as he was a few weeks ago when Dennis hit Florida.
Word around here is that George Bush had to call the N.O. mayor last night and tell him to start telling people to evacuate. The mayor was eating at restaurant last night at 11 pm when he got the call.

heard Rove was seen skulking around with a mysterious dog wearing a cape and holding mr peabody's weather machine.
think they were shooting for crawford?

best of luck to all in harms path, stay safe!

Anyone heard from Teacake!?

Who does these moonbats think is securing the perimeter of the superdome?
LNG, of course!

We did a study on the SuperDome back in 1975. How it was built. The financial shennanigans.
The substandard materials. Might withstand it...but I wouldn't bet my life on it

#35 amyc

I'm not sure how close she is to the coast, but a 10 ft. surge will screw the infrastructure for a while. Better to get out.

The East side of the storm is the worst.

38

heard Rove was seen skulking around with a mysterious dog wearing a cape and holding mr peabody's weather machine.

SO that's how they do it. I wonder if Peabody's sidekick Sherman was around too ;)

I just had a thought, people - in looking at the storm track, after Katrina passed over the southern tip of Florida it looked like it was headed for Texas.

Then, it took a sharp right turn towards Nawlins.

I got to thinking about pressures, highs and lows, and what "pushes" weather around. I came to the conclusion that all of that hot air out of Crawford (and more specifically Camp Cindy) was causing a ridge of high pressure that was pushing Katrina off to the north!

Therefore, Mother Cindy is directly responsible for Nawlins getting creamed by Katrina!

Right?

JAFLW

/you know the drill

16 YouGottaBeKidding

Household chemicals, gasoline, pesticides, and who knows what else..

Ironically, some of these might kill some of the pathogens from the sewage. No, I'd rather not bathe in them, but active (live) sewage doesn't appeal to me, either.

In reality, the only thing on that list that really concerns me is gasoline, because people have it in large quantities, and it floats to the top. The rest should stay in their bottles, at least for a few days. If they have caps.

They're always talking about how stupid President Bush is, and now they're saying he controls the weather. I can't even think of what to say about their stupidity, so I'll spend the next few moments in prayer for those in harm's way instead. That will be much more productive, anyway.

#36 Amy According to FNC, there are a number of chemical plants in the NO metro area. Should the tanks leak/be destroyed/whatever, there could be a real toxic soup in the flood waters

#20 TotallySirius

You're just going to give yourself a headache. You're expecting logical, rational thinking from spoiled children who are entirely incapable of it.

If in the Dome, seek the nosebleed seats.
Praying the strength of the dome proves the design intention.

#25 nice of the wonderful LA governor to be willing to sacrifice guardsmen when she didn't get enough personnel into the evacuation. and my last post from the previous hurricane thread--from a story on the wwmal.com

Mayor C. Ray Nagin called for a voluntary evacuation of the city at 5 p.m. Saturday. He said he would most likely be more forceful about making people leave Sunday. For the tourists stuck in town, he had some different advice.

"The only thing I can say to them is I hope they have a hotel room, and it's a hotel room that's at least on the third floor and up," Nagin said. "Unfortunately, unless they can rent a car to get out of town, which I doubt they can at this point, they're probably in the position of riding the storm out."
so thoughtful of him

I've heard a number of people interviewed while standing in line to get into the Superdome. To a man/woman, they were calm, resigned, and polite. The consensus was that this is an act of God and that they must do the best they can.

Contrasted with the LLL comments, which are mostly shrill and off-topic, the folks in line all sound like Einsteins. I think I'll stick with the regular people.

I like the Weather Warden series as much as the next reader, but in real life, we can't control the damn weather.

In the 1990s, Suhayda began modeling category 4 and 5 storms hitting New Orleans from a variety of directions. His results were frightening enough that he shared them with emergency preparedness officials throughout Louisiana. If such a severe storm were to hit the city from the southwest, for instance, Suhayda’s data indicate that the water level of Lake Pontchartrain would rise by as much as 12 ft (3.7 m). As the storm’s counterclockwise winds battered the levees on the northern shore of the city, the water would easily top the embankments and fill the streets to a depth of 25 ft (7.6 m) or more.

Suhayda’s model is not the only one that describes such a catastrophe. A model called SLOSH (Sea, Lake, and Overland Surges from Hurricanes), which is used by the National Weather Service and local agencies concerned with emergency preparedness, portrays an equally grim outcome should a storm of category 5 hit New Orleans. The SLOSH model does not contain nearly as many computational nodes as does AdCirc, it does not use a finite-element grid to increase the resolution of the nodes on shore, and its boundary is much smaller. Even so, its results are disheartening.

“Suppose it’s wrong,” says Combe, the Corps modeler. “Suppose twenty-five feet is only fifteen feet. Fifteen feet still floods the whole city up to the height of the levees.”

Experts say a flood of this magnitude would probably shut down the city’s power plants and water and sewage treatment plants and might even take out its drainage system. The workhorse pumps would be clogged with debris, and the levees would suddenly be working to keep water in the city. Survivors of the storm—humans and animals alike—would be sharing space on the crests of levees until the Corps could dynamite holes in the structures to drain the area. In such a scenario, the American Red Cross estimates that between 25,000 and 100,000 people would die.

[Link: www.pubs.asce.org...]

#41 bonz

We did a study on the SuperDome back in 1975. How it was built. The financial shennanigans. The substandard materials. Might withstand it...but I wouldn't bet my life on it

Frighteningly, more than 70,000 are.

Let's just hope that the left wing loonies wlll at least take a time out from making hay when the hurricane blows and stop politicizing this tragedy and help their fellow Americans.

From Swingstate

the crisis resulting from Lousiana's National Guard being in Iraq instead of defending their state.

Do these lunatics actually beleive the LaNG(or any human endeavour)could possibly defeat a hurricane?

Hurricanes are mother nature's most powerful display,all humans can do is brace for impact and pick up the pieces afterwards.

People who think like that are a danger to themselves and others.

Interesting.... So... Bush IS at fault for the weather? but I thought he was too stupid to tie his shoes or speak right......

these Lefties are confusing... too stupid to drool, but genius enough to change the weather.

Cybrludite #32

I hope things are all right with you, your friends and loved ones tomorrow. Please know that all of us who are not in harm's way (this time - I'm a New Yorker) are praying that all of you down there will survive this and bounce back. Our thoughts are with you.

#44 Just Another Four-Letter Word

Send that to print please.

Stercorem pro cerebris habent personae Kosis.

You'll note that maggots, vultures and "progressives" are the most enthusiastic about the prospect of a lot of dead innocents.

You know... the issue isn't the wind....

its the snakes and the floods.

the people will go to high areas, as will the snakes.

and becomming a new Lake won't help.

#44 JAFLW: FYI, they had a wild lightening storm last night and this morning in Crawford, along with rain, so I'm sure the bar ditches were full. Poetic justice.

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Bordm, thanks for the phone call and for the kind offer of shelter. we were cut off. the local towers are getting blinky.

God bless you

Even if the roof of the Superdome is taken off, the people will be okay because there is massive amount of room in the metting rooms etc built under the seats. It is really a ring shaped office building with a stadium in the middle.

(repeated from the other thread)

#42 Sarah D.

I just spoke w/her earlier this evening - ~6:30PM Eastern time - and she seemed fine, nothing too severe by her. Just some rain. She's been through a hurricane before and knows not to take stupid chances. Should I call again?

#60 Murder

You'll note that maggots, vultures and "progressives" are the most enthusiastic about the prospect of a lot of dead innocents.

Funny that. They ALWAYS are, aren't they? If they can blame it on the GOP, the more victims, the better for them. Their fellow man is just a tool in their ongoing war against the Rovian Forces of Oppression.

36 Amy

I understood the toxic chemicals concern to be a concern for the considerable amount of chemical manufacturing in the general vicinity. There are a lot of chemical plants in the N.O.-Baton Rouge corridor. They tend to build these plants on high ground, and build the structures on pilings that go to bedrock.

They won't be flooded. That would be a doomsday scenario if it did occur. There are probably some small operations where they cut corners, but the big guys, the Dows, and Monsantos, etc. tend to keep tight ships.

What's in the actual city, in the ground, is insignificant.

#64 Bayou

are you IN the hurricane path?

So, how long before the Moonbats claim that Katrina was orchestrated by the Bush/Rove Cabal to raise oil prices higher, putting more money in the hands of their oil buddies?

53 Spiny

Fox reported earlier that there are only 12,000 people in the SDome.

Cowgirl #47

What's FNC?

Well, I say "only." That's compared to 70,000 . . .

What a terrible burden it must be to lead such miserable and paranoiac lives. To stake your happiness and sense of well-being on the shoulders of one human being must be psychologically devastating. I suppose that it fills a spiritual void for those who have chosen to look the other way, and totally rely upon human intervention to deal with human folly, let alone nature's course. Take pity on those unfortunate souls, as opposed to contempt. They know not of that which they speak of. They haven’t the spiritual or moral capacity to do so.

I'm a hurricane vet: Opal, Fort Walton Beach FL, 1995. Top wind gust 144 MPH in Navarre. I also weathered Erin that same year.

I'm thinking this one is a monstrous bitch compared to any I've seen.

Still, Opal showed me what wind can do: lawnmowers blowing down the street ass over teakettle. Amazing.

Radar shows almost due North motion, maybe 350^o.

Not to forget, even a hit into Plaquemines Parish still means sustained hurricane winds and possible 3 meter plus (10 foot) storm surge in Alabama.

BTW, GWB wasn't President during the two hurricanes that destroyed Indianola, TX 120 years ago, or the 1900 Galveston Hurricane that killed 8000 people, or the 1935 Labor Day cat 5, the 1938 New England Hurricane, Carla, Betsy, Camille, Hugo, Andrew (well, his Dad was for those 2).

KoS Kiddies should read Dr. Gray's studies of the Atlantic Thermohaline cycle, which explains why hurricanes seem to occur in greater frequency in 2 to 3 decade long cycles.

Long range radar loop.

I think it was the NBC Nightly news that felt compelled to point out "many Louisiana Guardsmen are in Iraq".

Ed in Houston. What do you make out of the size of the 'eye'? It is huge. That is either very good news or very bad.

For newcomers:

Link

#71 K.

Fox reported earlier that there are only 12,000 people in the SDome.

Ah. All I kept hearing was that it had a "capacity of 72,000".

Fox also reported that it's likely the field level of the Superdome will flood.

#66 Nonnie

The storm surge is here.

If this thing turns at all East, the levels will be high enough in her area to cause quite a problem.

Make sure she's on the second floor and has supplies. There won't be any way to get more unless she has a boat for a while.

#64 Bayou_King

We are here with you.

OK, I've been reading along all afternoon, and I haven't posted this because I felt BK had enough to deal with.

But, for everyone who doesn't know about this, water moccasin snakes are a major threat in flooding. They are heat-seekers, and humans are warm-blooded. In flood waters... well, you figure it out. They will swarm like piranhas.

E2m #68

I hope you're right, but 175 mph winds....?

74 Cartman - Amen, brother.

#64 Bayou King

Do you have your own way to make electricity?

#72 Amy

FNC = Fox News Channel

The eye is heading right dead for N.O., isn't it?

Conspicuous is the total lack of compassion shown by the commenters at redstate or kos.

So jaded has become their worldview that politics is always first and foremost in their minds.

They have become completely blind to the suffering of their fellow man unless it suits their 'cause du jour' and even then they only refer to the tragedy in political terms.

I fear their souls are not going to a pleasant place in the hereafter.

Some guy came into the Lowe's nearby on Friday night and bought every generator they had! While convenient, I wasn't even willing to pay retail. I'll sweat for $700.

#71 K, #78 Spiny Norman

I don't want to think about what that means for the rest of the 100,000 who are still reported to be in NO...

Unfortunately, the citizens of the state of Louisiana [sic] are about to face the full force of Katrina without the benefit of their National Guard troops to protect them.

Exactly how could the LA Nat'l Guard could protect them from a hurricane?

Winch them out of trees afterward, perhaps. Shuttle water, ice, and basics to isolated groups, probably. Hang a disconcerting number of toe tags, regretably. If New York and the country dealt with 9/11, then New Orleans and the country can handle this.

But it is not the National Guard's job to protect them from either the weather or the consequences of foolish decisions. Those who are still partying along Canal Street are prima facie evidence of evolution in action.

Side to Charles: Is it possible to put up a counter or something that would credit LGF members for American Red Cross donations? And then challenge KOS, DU, etc. No matter who 'wins', money gets raised and people get helped.

Bordm
Are you out & about?

I can remember years ago the big concern in New Orleans was that a massive storm could change the river's access to the Gulf. Leaving New Orleans on one of a few ways to the Mississippi

#72 Amy: FNC = Fox News Channel

How silly. Blaming a hurricane on Bush. We all know Karl Rove controls the weather.

“New Orleans is right there,” Dokka says, pointing to a graphic illustration of his research on a computer screen. “But I guarantee you that won’t last, because the ocean is right there on both sides, and any kind of storm is going to take out that area.”

[Link: www.pubs.asce.org...]

Ct. Yankee #86

Thanks.

#82 cowgirl

that's what I was saying.

#82 Cowgirl

But, for everyone who doesn't know about this, water moccasin snakes are a major threat in flooding. They are heat-seekers, and humans are warm-blooded. In flood waters... well, you figure it out. They will swarm like piranhas.

Cowgirl, it is true, they come up when the water does, but they are just looking for higher ground.

At Hurlburt Field (an Air Force Base in Ft Walton Beach, FL) we had hundreds if not thousands of snake individuals seek high ground and they ended up here and there. We had one entomologist, an airman, and he was running crazy trapping and bagging them. Still, no one was hurt.

They just do what's natural, and shucks, them humans aren't big enough for them to swallow.

Still, good advice, they'll be up around higher ground and people'll need to be careful not to sit on/step on/lay on one of them.

thank you all for your concern!

{lizards}

i seem to be in the clear here in lafayette - expecting maybe 60 mph winds. it's my brother i'm concerned about.

he is manning the ER in mandeville, and IMHO the hospital may be the last building standing in that area. catastrophic destruction likely for that area. his wife and daughter are with him. i couldn't convince him to send them out west to me last night. the path tracks right over him.

now he is putting his life on the line for the idiots who chose not to evacuate (in his area, very wealthy, NO ONE had a poverty excuse to stay)

83 Amy

These plants are made of steel. Lots of it. I've spent most of my career around them. The concern is water level. If the water doesn't rise, there won't be a problem, and if it does, there still little chance of chemicals leaking into the water. As long as somebody doesn't do something stupid, anyway.

Wind can blow insulation off, and there could be a lot of junk blowing around for that reason, but the tanks will be intact, and the chemicals will be contained.

And as I said, if the management is poor, all bets are off.

#91 TenRing

Those who are still partying along Canal Street are prima facie evidence of evolution in action.

Definitely Darwin Award material.

#82 Cowgirl

Shredding winds, flooding rains, three-story storm surge, flying debris, zapping power lines, tornados, bobbing coffins, toxic soup, and water moccasins? What's not to like?

Water moccasins, for those not familiar, are one of the few truly aggressive poisonous snakes unless you travel to Africa or India. They can be territorial or just plain ornery.

#90 Lyana

I don't want to think about what that means for the rest of the 100,000 who are still reported to be in NO...

There are a lot of people I've heard interviewed on TV and radio that are certain they'll be safe in large buildings on the fourth floor and above.

Not a roll of the dice I'd want to make.

#100 Bayou King

Yeah... I don't understand people staying.... they don't think its going to be dangerous.

they ought to have said when declaring mandatory evacs "We are expecting a high death toll... we expect many of you to die if you do not leave."

What's going to happen is some people won't leave, and some family members will die, and they'll sue.

NOLA cams

For those who are interested, several cams are still on, giving a current photo every 20 seconds.

now watch... some dolt (maybe Fallwell or RObertson) will mention that God cleans out the sinful lands....

and that'll take front page for a month.

#89 deadman

Some guy came into the Lowe's nearby on Friday night and bought every generator they had! While convenient, I wasn't even willing to pay retail. I'll sweat for $700.

My guess is he didn't plan to keep them all for himself -- perhaps he was going to provide for friends/family/whomever needs it, or he could be planning to sell them in a time of need for a healthy profit.

#105 LanceKates

What's going to happen is some people won't leave, and some family members will die, and they'll sue.

And lose. The best plaintiffs would be any inmates or city employees who are killed, in other words, those required to stay.

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