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 RetweetVDH: Saddam in 2005

Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 9:21:30 am PDT

Victor Davis Hanson looks at what might have been: Saddam in 2005.

The two sons of Saddam Hussein, the crown princes Uday and Qusai Hussein, continued their triumphant tour of foreign capitals, seeking to cement details on the new proposed Iraqi pipeline through Turkey to the Mediterranean to reach potential European markets. “Fortunately our friends in Brussels do not believe the lies of the Zionists and the Kurdish criminals. They know we in Iraq operate under the rule of law and the Americans are the real killers of our Iraqi children. We see a good future for Iraq and its new European partnership.”

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1 Buck  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 7:22:15am

I love Fridays, just for VH Day!

2 Buck  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 7:22:37am

Oh ya, and FIRST!

3 Jay777  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 7:23:30am

Awesome!

4 Earth2moonbat  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 7:25:07am

Now, for Babydic Assad...

5 godfrey  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 7:26:54am

Damn, I love VDH Fridays.

6 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 7:27:41am
7 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 7:29:00am

I think VDH forgot one alternate-universe headline:

"Saddam, Fonda to be wed in simple, tasteful ceremony"

There, that's better.

8 Terp Mole  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 7:33:50am

Kaddafi in 2005!

Tom Lantos (D-CA): Take Libya off the terrorism list

Removing Libya from the list of state sponsors of terrorism is not only justifiable, it is overdue. The administration has acknowledged that Libya has not been involved in terrorism since before December 2003. This is a far longer period of non-involvement than the six-month-minimum required for removal from the list.

While we're at it, let's have Libya chair the UN Human Rights Commission.

Afterall, Lantos voted to condemn Libya's selection as long ago as February 2003(!).

Carthago delende est

9 Blue Chip  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 7:41:25am

Interesting (as always with VDH).

What if? What if? What if?

No doubt it would be worse to remain paralyzed by fear of failure or loss of life.
It’s long past the time to address what has been a growing threat to the world – a religious ideology that is anathema to liberty or democracy and those who do not subscribe to its theology.

Drain the swamp. Crush the enemies of America before more innocent life is lost.

I’m not overly optimistic on our chances of success.

10 aRedPhishHead  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 7:44:31am

Thank God. I always have a fun time trying to enlighten ignorant citizens about the exploits of those two wonderful (now wormfood) prodigal sons.

11 Jax  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 7:45:36am

That's a good column. Unfortunately, most of the irony is probably lost who have been following the MSM version of events.

12 Terp Mole  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 7:45:38am

Libya is clearly rehabilitated;

Aeisha al-Qathafi commends resistance of US occupation in Iraq

Aeisha al-Qathafi, daughter of the Libyan leader Muammar al-Qathafi commended what she called the Iraqi resistance men and called for not keeping silence over what is taking place in Iraq of violations.

Aeisha al-Qathafi said, in the inauguration of the conference on the violations of human rights under the invasion and occupation of Iraq, which is organized by "Observe a sit in" which she presides over, that the Iraqi men of resistance were able to destroy the dreams of America on their rock."
---
This conference, held in Libya, coincided with the verdict issued in the USA against the American soldier who took pictures of Iraqi prisoners being abused, where the picture captured limelight.

She's stealing Mother Sheehan's mojo!

13 BIG  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 8:02:28am

The sad part is that this is the world that Cindy Sheehan and her handlers dream of.

14 m  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 8:11:30am

#12 Terp Mole

It's like Cindy Sheehan commending the barbarians that KILLED HER SON ! ! !

*which she of course does NOT blame on the killers, but on Bush.

How these people remember to breathe is beyond me.

15 Zakistan  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 8:13:26am

VDH had his tongue placed firmly in his cheek while writing that gem! I loved how he showed how democratic opposition figures would have been tsk-tsk'ing the Bush administration for NOT taking on Saddam's regime:

Senators exasperated with Bush inaction
On the domestic scene both conservative and liberal spokesmen voiced disappointment with President Bush’s apparent vacillation and willingness to let Saddam violate the sanctions and U.N. inspections. A group of three Democratic senators — Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and John Kerry — reminded the president that the Senate had voted overwhelmingly over three years ago to authorize the military removal of Saddam Hussein, and suggested that the old “Jim Baker/Frank Carlucci realpolitik” was at work again, or as Sen. Clinton put it, “Just pump that oil and it’s O.K. with us that he does pretty much what he wants to his people.”

Sen. Clinton went on to hammer the president, “We need leadership, not more of the same old, same old that we see with North Korea and Iran. Could I remind the president that three years ago we cited 23 reasons to remove Saddam Hussein and approved them all by a 77 vote, and that the House got nearly 300 votes in their similar resolution? And all this follows the 1998 Iraqi Liberation Act passed by the Senate and signed by my husband.”

Sen. John Kerry recalled for President Bush that over three years ago he had been on record to remove Saddam, and recited his earlier statement in the Senate issued in 2002: "I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."

And let us remember that Kerry opposed the first Gulf War! If it was up to him and his ilk, Saddam would be sitting pretty in Kuwait, er, I mean the whatever # province of Iraq that Kuwait was to become.

16 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 8:32:09am
17 alegrias  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 8:34:22am

#12 Terp MOle

Thank you for this good stuff--clearly Khaddafy's daughter Aisha needs to share Saddam Hussein's sons' fate--she's still singing the Baathist songbook and trying to sound innocent of crimes against fellow moslems.

Too bad Reagan's jets missed her the first time around in 1986.

18 Mardukhai  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 8:37:18am

Even the Jerusalem Post still swallows the al-Dura crap:

PA kids mark 5 years of intifada

... The rally was held near the former Jewish settlement of Netzarim in central Gaza, where 12-year old Mohammed Aldura, was killed exactly five years ago in a crossfire between Palestinians and Israeli soldiers. Aldura's death was caught on camera and became a symbol across the Arab world...

At the rally, Aldura's mother [sic], Amal, said she hoped for a better future for her 3-year old son, named after Mohammed. "The children now will live in freedom after the Israeli pullout," she said...

Mohammed al-Dura never had a mother, because most likely, he never existed. If he did, a Palestinian killed him, quite dliberately -- No Israeli was there.

Formal letters to the editor intended for publication go here.

Feedback letters go here.

The JPost used to be on top of these things -- Let the fools have it! (And tell Charles!)

19 alegrias  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 8:37:18am

#12 terp mole

Re-reading your link--Khaddafy's daughter considers Saddam Hussein "an Arab leader" unjustly imprisoned?

Sorry, Mr. Lantos of California, Libya's not sorry enought, they're still clearly another Baathist/Sunni regime ripe for regime change.

20 Blue Chip  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 8:38:10am

Uday? Ead-day!

//love that line

21 mattm  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 8:41:39am

See, it is America's fault.

/Sheean

22 Stormy  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 8:43:29am

527 more votes for Gore in 2000, and VDH would be right-on.

/shudder

23 Caesar Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Augustus  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 8:44:00am

VDH in 08 is right.

24 Necklace of Shoes  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 9:14:23am

I voted for this column before I voted against it. And has anybody seen my silky pony?

25 vdh in '08  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 9:17:19am

#23 damn right I'm right!

if only he'd run. and if only he wouldn't drive moonbats beserk

26 gbl  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 9:42:57am

Excellent VDH article. Too bad many in the public and elected officials don't look forward as this piece does. But then again most politicians are only looking forward to get re-elected.

27 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 9:53:49am

See, the overall majority of the article reads great. I just see one major flaw: Bush having been reelected. If the political showdown had ended in us backing down, the support for Bush within his own party, as well as from moderate votes, would've disappeared. I couldn't see myself supporting and voting for a president who, at the first sign of real danger, ran away with his tail between his legs.

28 Condor  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 9:59:21am

Think of how much money Kofi and Son have been losing in the last four years!
Plus all those other UN officials--how are they going to keep up a Donald Trump lifestyle without Saddam's help?

29 Maine's Michael  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 11:19:53am
30 sailordude  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 11:40:11am

Looks to me like VDH has been reading Iowahawk.

31 Seven_Stripes  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 11:42:50am

I cant friggan believe VDH put this article out... I was planning the EXACT same thing for my student newspaper!

Gah! I already wrote the outline and everything! :(

32 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 12:38:27pm

#27,

I don't know, Clinton got re-elected following pretty much the same Iraq policy as VDH outlines for "timid Bush".

33 Just Another Four-Letter Word  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 12:55:17pm

I dunno, I kinda got depressed reading the VDH article, until I realized that this is NOT how it is, only how it could have been. As several Lizardoids have pointed out, this is what the LLL's would like to have had happen, but thank God it didn't! I just can't imagine the World's state if Gore had been selected...errr...elected. Same with John effin' Kerry.

We dodged a big bullet with the last two national elections...

JAFLW

34 be the meat  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 2:02:29pm

Wow!

VDH fuses his real world knowledge with the creative spice of alternate history and makes his case even more effectively. It's gotta be hard to be him, weighed down with all these reality based insights into the way the world works ( or would work ). Seems like this outing gave him a chance to dust out the attic.

Thanks Vic.

35 massachusetts republican  Fri, Sep 30, 2005 2:53:27pm

WOW!

I would like to one about the us under 25 years of "Carterism"

Here are some thoughts

Decriminalization of drugs, assisted suicide and voting rights for felons, gay marriage, stopping all support for Israel and Taiwan, complete unilateral nuclear disarmament, forced redistribution of wealth, elimination of all reference to GOD in public like, normal relations with North Korea and Iran, complete withdrawal now from all overseas bases and cutting US military spending by at least half. Also free housing, health care and education and drivers licenses for all illegal aliens. Complete open borders with out customs checks, and allowing US citizen solders to be shipped to and prosecuted in the world court. Instead of tracking down moslem terrorist, they would instead talk with them to find “common ground”.

36 dgbellak  Sat, Oct 1, 2005 5:15:25am

Uday and Qusai...diplomatic? I knew Hanson was delusional, but, geesh. And I seriously do not understand the attempts to assasinate Clinton. If he was truly as worthless and ineffective as many here claim, what would be the point of this (especially when you consider that, in this magical otherworld, he would have to be even moreso)?

Folks, if you have a hard time finding alternate histories such as this in your local library or bookstore, remember: they can be found under science fiction. That should be a clue.

My favorite observation concerning this tripe would be this: "But Bush still doesn't catch bin Laden proving that some things are beyond being imagined..."


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