Chicken Kiev broke this story this morning here.

I wish I could say this was unbelievable, but we have seen the Revolving Door of Injustice^tm operating early and often in the war on terror.

OT

Gunmen Hamas in Bethlehem Near Nativity

tfk, wtf? This is your thread.

From the country who brought us the holocaust, is this any surprise they are incapable of doing the right thing? They murdered six million Jews and go about their business as usual. Why is one Muslim murderer of an American important?

Surprised? Not.

Here's the links:

archaeologist traded for terrorist

#375 Chicken Kiev 12/20/2005 08:24AM PST
OT about those hostages ... breaking news from Debbie Schlussel ... she says:

Germany traded the freedom of Hezbollah terrorist Mohammad Ali Hamadi, who tortured and murdered Navy Diver Robert Dean Stethem, for Osthoff (a convert to Islam).
Within three days of Hamadi's release, Osthoff was released. As the French might say, "Quelle coincidence!" (What a coincidence!)

And it's yet more proof that Hezbollah is working with Al-Qaeda terrorists in Iraq. As Shia and Sunni extremists, respectively, the groups may hate each other, but they hate us more and long ago buried the hatchet to join forces, according to The New York Times.

Also, consider the fact that a German diplomat told Reuters several weeks ago that "the Geman diplomat's comment that told Reuters several weeks ago that "Osthoff's kidnappers likely wanted a ransom and that the government would not hesitate to pay."

So Germany does, in fact, negotiate with terrorists and denies justice in order to trade for hostages. Nauseating.

Archaeologist a Muslim convert

"Hostage" Susanne Osthoff is a Muslim convert.

The family of the victim are also renewing their calls for her release. Osthoff's mother on Monday issued another emotional plea to return her daughter to safety. In an interview with a German newspaper she said that her daughter was "more Iraqi than German."

Osthoff is a trained archeologist who has been doing aid work in Iraq for several years. The 43 year old convert to Islam was married to an Arab and speaks fluent Arabic.
In 2003 she made her "first humanitarian trip to Iraq."

Sadly, this is nothing new from our Euorpean allies.

Germany lets terrorists to go free in order to appease islamist monsters... wait, I've heard this one before. Munich, 1972.

"lets terrorists to go free"... now I'm talking like Yakov Smirnov.

hmmm...catch and release works fine with trout and bass but I doubt that's what these tree huggers had in mind...

hope they did send him back to Lebanon and not Syria. It'll make it that much easier for us to "snatch and grab" his sorry arse!

This is why trials and detentions are ineffective in this war.

This might not be all bad if there's a team of Navy SEALS (I think Stethem was a SEAL) tracking this murdering scum down as we speak.

If we aren't doing this then the War on Terror is a sham. We need to let these killers know we never forget and they can never rest.

Petty Officer Stetham lives on, in the form of an Arleigh Burke Class Guided Missile Destroyer, USS STETHAM (DDG-63).

At least there is some solace in this, to counter the spineless act of the German government.

I think Zombie's #7 told us all we need to know.

I remember that TWA hijacking quite well. Interesting factoid, Golam-Globus, who gave us all the "American Ninja" movies, gave us a movie ("Delta Force", IIRC) which was an exact recreation of the hijacking, except for the ending, where Chuck Norris freed the remaining hostages from Beirut and killed all the Muslims.

Rev up the B-17's, half joking. Staged kidnappings for money and other goodies are getting old.

We need some special ops people to go and take care of Hamadi.

Looks like business as usual in Germany under Angela Merkel

The more things change, the more they stay the same (Germany)

And that is why lizards my great-grandfather Fredrick Hausenschide left Germany (1890's) for the Greatest country on earth to escape such idiocy. Damn Germans will never change.

/well they still brew the best BIER

Ein Prost Ja, ja

Umm, I hope the German knuckleheads told the CIA before they let him go so we could track his ass...

If not, I believe that was an overtly hostile act against the US that is only mitigated by the fact that, by acquiesing to terrorists' demands, the EUnuchs will become a greater target for assorted terrorists worldwide.

Why kidnap an American? It's not going to get you anything. Go for an Italian or a Kraut.

# 14 Ferris,

east coast team was in the air (I am only guessing) before this ever hit the news wires...

i predict this scum is going to disappear sometime real soon...

hope the have his size for head-panties!

Also, Debbie Schlussel is the actual blogger who had the original exclusive on this.

Time to call the Mossad...

#14 ferris;

Robert Stetham was a rated steelworker in the Naval Construction Battalions, more commonly called "SEABEES" (for CB). John Wayne did a movie on these men who hit the beach with the Marines and go to work, fighting as they make runways and buildings and bunkers on the beachheads.

They started the Holocaust, they released all the Munich murderers, now this. And these people are the "Allies" that Se. Kerry wanted to rely on if he became President. F'EA.

This is just another reason I hate paying taxes into Europe.

With friends like these...
 

Not to underestimate Germany's cowardice, but the US is hardly covered with glory on the incident. TWA Flight 847 was hijacked en route from Athens to Rome and forced to land in Beirut, Lebanon, where the hijackers held the plane for 17 days. They demand the release of the Kuwait 17 as well as the release of 700 fellow Shiite Muslim prisoners being held in Israeli prisons.

Immense pressure was applied on Israel to release these prisoners by the Reagan administration. It was just another example of the West caving in to terrorism.

This was the incident which made media stars out of Charles Glass and Peter Jennings of ABC News as both acted as mouthpieces of Hezbollah. Though all the media allowed itself to be used by the terrorists, ABC News set a new standard is promoting the terrorist agenda.

Aside from rewarding kidnappers and encouraging more kidnappings this further ties Hammas to the terrorists in Iraq.

#5 American Infidel
Is this woman one of the 4 PEACE ACTIVISTS that were 'kidnapped' in Iraq?!?

No! But she was "kidnapped" on the same day they were -- in a supposedly separate incident.

#17 Beagle
Staged kidnappings for money and other goodies are getting old.

Tell me about it. At first, I thought the four "Christian Peacemakers" kidnapping was fake, but that this one was real. No longer. Now that I see she was a Muslim and that she was traded for a convicted terrorist, I'm becoming convinced that her kidnapping was an inside job as well, which she may have arranged herself.

Grrr...

#21 bulgar wheat

Warrior Soul by Chuck Pfarrer is the autobio of a SEAL who was part of that operation. Good reading, right out of the first page, Chuck talks about a night jump from a civilain B-727, in a thunderstorm over Norfolk, on his last day in the Navy...and the book keeps the pace up.

#13 American Infidel

You're right, I should have written: ...our European "allies". They ceased being genuine allies years ago.

So... what is the consensus? Are we allowed to not help the Germans when the terrorists attack them?

Usually the Euro Trash Weenies trade cash for their Hostages, which ends up buying more IEDs and attacks against innocent Iraqis.
So, maybe it's a Morbid Step Up. Just Maybe, the CIA can unbungle itself enough to seek out the guy and eliminate him, since they're
not that effective at eliminating leaks.

What is needed in cases like these is a Navy Seal Team. In and out without so much as a raised eyebrow. One less murderer walking around.

Ed,

I remember that TWA hijacking quite well. Interesting factoid, Golam-Globus, who gave us all the "American Ninja" movies, gave us a movie ("Delta Force", IIRC) which was an exact recreation of the hijacking, except for the ending, where Chuck Norris freed the remaining hostages from Beirut and killed all the Muslims.

Those filmmakers were Israeli. They made another flick called "Invasion U.S.A." where a group of terrorists giddily fired bazookas into homes on Christmas.

I remember seeing that scene and thinking "No way that could happen. No group of people on earth could possibly be so callous."

Boy was I wrong.

Speaking of quagmires, when are we going to withdraw from Germany? The Democrats are demanding that we remove our forces from Iraq, but they have only been there for a couple of years. But our troops have been occupying Germany for six decades with no end in sight.

When is Murtha going to demand we bring our boys home from this endless engagement?

#24 Curt

Thanks for the clarification. Either way, I am sure this generation of heroes is more than up for a road trip (even if it means missing Christmas) if it means delivering long delayed justice.

My fear is either the Germans didn't tell us this was up so we lost him already or political leadership is too squeemish (I bet Rumsfeld is up for it not sure about Rice).

Meanwhile, here in the United States, moonbats are fighting to get prisoners released from Gitmo with nothing in return . . . except for the satisfaction of helping a terrorist return to active duty. With all of the help Islamic terror groups are receiving from western non-muslims, they'll be terrorizing for a long time to come.

The New York Times t.v. listing capsule review of "Delta Force" is always: Grippingly realistic. (Or words to that effect.) I think this shows how much the NYT understands military matters. In real life, for instance, I kind of doubt the Delta operators ride rocket-firing motorcycles.

#30 zombie

You're on to something there. This exchange may very well have been a set up on the part of the German convert and her insurgent buddies. The four "Christian peace activists" made no secret of their sympathy to the terrorist cause and it'll be instructive to see if they are also exchanged for some prominent terrorists currently in a European prison.

Most libs will tell you that "life in prison" sentences make the death penalty unnecessary. Well, some of us know better. This terrorist was given a "life" sentence, now he's hitting the clubs in Beirut.

#14 ferris
I guess I "dittoed" you in #35. Anyway, one can only hope.

#33 LanceKates

That's the way I see it. I hope (without any real hope) our truly spineless, gutless, useless State Dept and gov't in general will make a HUGE stink over this release of another terrorist by a 'friendly' government. and I'm also getting verry sick of these staged kidnappings and I think they should be called for what they are. Fat chance!

Not only did the Germans violate this scumbags sentence (life without parole), not only did they negotiate with terrorists, not only did they exchange one terrorists for an "Islamic convert", they violated their word and treaty with the U.S. regarding international extradition.

This guy has warrants outstanding in the U.S. and Germany was bound by treaty to extradite him here if he were ever released (despite the "life without parole" sentence he received). I guess not only is there no truth in sentencing in Germany, international treaties take a back seat to doing deals with terrorists.

Sheesh!

Excellent & too the point at Atlas Shrugs

Former CIA director Jim Woolsey (one of FDD's Distinguished Advisors) observes that the term "Islamofascist" may be "understated -- the Italian fascists were horrible, but not genocidal. 'Islamonazi' would be more accurate."

And he's thinking not only of Iran, but other variants of Militant Islamism as well -- including Saudi Wahhabism. These ideologies, Woolsey writes, have not "attained the Nazis' and Communists' death totals yet, but this is only due to lack of power, not to less murderous or less totalitarian objectives."

Someday, 'Wretchard' will be considered overly modest for claiming his blog is "history and history in the making."

If he's not a year ahead of the curve, he's got one arm behind his back.

The circumstances fueling the account by Lee Gordon of the London Telegraph has so many eerie similarities to the New York Times John Burns piece on the Golden Mosque that they fairly jump out. A team from a writer or newspaper respected by conservatives is captured on the road. The journalists are taken to a picturesque location where they are first greeted with hostility, then granted surprising liberty. A sense of shared danger bonds them with their captors. Scenes are provided to lend color. Due to a surprising coincidence, the captured journalists stumble on information every Western intelligence agency wants to know. The preparations to defend the Golden Mosque, the fate of the missing German counterterrorism agents. Then, as quickly as they were captured, they are released. Not for them is the long and slow incarceration of Terry Waite, but a hearty goodbye, encumbered only by the promise that they will tell the world the truth, on their word as Americans or Englishmen.

Fool us three times, and you've barely started.

The Phillipines coughed up $6,000,000. Germany a terrorist. Sgrena, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Navy guys have long memories, particularly SEALS, they would be pleased to take care of business.

GWB issue the SEALS a hunting license.
They guy would just quietly vanish off the face of the earth.

All they have to do is wax a few Americans to keep their street cred.

Dear world, fuck off.

#13 AI

I think we need another term for 'European allies', because they certainly are NOT allies in any sense of the word...

It's like the guy who doesn't think he's doing something wrong because he's only drilling a hole under his own seat in the boat.

#35 maddog44

I have so much more faith in our military than in our government or CIA. This should be a warning to these organizations and elected officials to get it together if they care about this country.

46 "Islamofascist" may be "understated -- the Italian fascists were horrible, but not genocidal. 'Islamonazi' would be more accurate."

Oriana Fallaci calls them "Islamic Nazis".

Typical European cowards.

You know, I read stories like this... then I think about the pictures I saw of American soldiers (the pictures I saw were specifically Marines, but I've heard of the other branches doing the same) giving their care packages to the iraqi children . . . things like toothbrushes and such.

I feel pride in our country, despite the Left's actions to try to sway me from such pride.

I really feel that the United states is the best country in the world, perhaps also the most selfless.

Ed, Dirk,

"Delta Force" was on AMC last week - I've been wanting to see that one again for a LONG time. I remember "Invasion USA" as well - I'll have to rent that for the Christmas break. Before Islamic terrorists actually attacked America, we get movies about how rotten they are. Now, after 9/11 we get Oliver Stone, gay cowboys & "Revenge", err, I mean "Munich."

Anyone remember that HBO movie about the 1st WTC bombing? After 9/11, HBO stopped releasing it. I have to track down a VHS copy since HBO isn't releasing it on DVD.

Hollywood delenda est.

The New York Times t.v. listing capsule review of "Delta Force" is always: Grippingly realistic. (Or words to that effect.) I think this shows how much the NYT understands military matters. In real life, for instance, I kind of doubt the Delta operators ride rocket-firing motorcycles.

Don't forget the muffler mortars! I doubt those were standard military issue.

#1 zombie

Chicken Kiev broke this story this morning here.

Nope. mglazer broke it on yesterday's open thread - post #70 I believe.

Thanks Charles for giving this a thread.

Nazlamic?

Anyone remember that HBO movie about the 1st WTC bombing? After 9/11, HBO stopped releasing it. I have to track down a VHS copy since HBO isn't releasing it on DVD.

Path to Paradise with Peter Gallagher and Marcia Gay Harden. I remember that movie very well.

Don't get all excited:

This guy got a life sentence and he served 20 years. This happens all the time, expecially in the U.S. Otherwise, the prisons would be even more crowded than they are today.

Then again, the LGF crew probably favours the death penalty anyway. (btw, congratulations on your 1000th execution since 1977. You're still number three, behind China and Congo!)

We're all so proud of you here in Europe!

And as a side-note to the hell-we're-in-a-war-crowd:

When the towel-snapper-in-chief swaggered and lied you into this utterly useless endeavour in Iraq, most of you were probably hoping for an "inside-out" job in Bagdhad, or a "Gulf War lite" or an "Afghanistan redux" or whatever could make the presidents daddy proud, maybe dragging the Brits along, and feeling you've at least done SOMETHING against international terrorism - but hardly a word about the grand schemes of middle-eastern liberation that is on sale nowadays. Most of you held your noses and prayed that Xiao Bushi had a one-pager for his exit-strategy very, very close at hand. But lo-and-behold: Bush gave it all to the old Babylon Bitchslappers and Cheneys why-do-we-keep-on-giving-a-fuck-brigade.

And so it can all now, with three years of further screw-ups to spare - be laid at your doorstep (since you re-elected this guy): Stupid tax policies, worse budget, terrible image overseas, ridiculous disaster-management and chasing after every bogus shill from the same people directly responsible for biggest recruiting place for terrorists in the first place.

Bitching about the release of a 20-year-convict in Germany is just another sign of helplessness. High time some people start choking on their pretzel logic.

Path to Paradise: A good movie, but I've always wondered what Andy McCarthy thought of the movie, considering he was one of the terrorists' prosecutors stemming from the 1993 attacks.

#4 Beagle - why is this tfk's thread?

sorry to go OT but

IMHO something has to be done here:

#494 XMangels 12/20/2005 10:21AM PST
#493 MARS Trucker 12/20/2005 09:46AM PST

#435 XMangels

Look here dude/dudette,

I have no problem with your admiration for God/Jesus as it is your belief and you have a great sincerity that goes along with your belief. I don't need to be preached to, at all by you, or by anyone. I have my own belief and I with that belief will not ram down my belief another person's throat.

Personally, I believe that when we leave this existance for the next, we will all be in for a huge surprise.

IMHO, religion is nothing more than man's interpretation of "GOD'S Word".

How do you, I or anyone else know for a fact that when we crack open the Bible or Torah, or even the Koran, if somehow, somewhere in time, someone may have added, deleted or altogether change the word.

The basic message throughout the ages can not be changed by mere mortals, and that is Love, honor, respect, and cherish those around you as you would want to be treated as well.

BTW,

MERRY Christmas to you.

#423 MARS Trucker 12/19/2005 10:29PM PST

#419 XMangels
No offense, but LGF is not a pulpit to preach.

Not everyone here is Christian (there are quite a few Jews here and some agnostic and atheists as well) and most desire not to debate the issue. I'll leave it at that :)

You just make it up as you go along. You started this whole thing by assuming you could tell me what I post about on a blog.

As to your inquiry

How do you, I or anyone else know for a fact that when we crack open the Bible or Torah, or even the Koran, if somehow, somewhere in time, someone may have added, deleted or altogether change the word./blockquote>
Best that I can hint to you (would no want to tell you anything)is that if you have to get God's daily word for you from a book that you did not write, or a church that is not your heart you are being shortchanged, bambozelled and lied to.

God is here with us and waiting to hear from you. For he gave His only begotten Son that we might not only have everlasting live, but more important to Jesus that we might have a comforter in times of need or peril.

If this promise of hope offends you, fear not for God is with you through Jesus who died on the Cross for all of us that we might have peace on earth and everlasting live in God the Father. For whenever we call to our Creator He will make sure we are heard. This the Lamb of God has promised to each and everyone of us.

Merry CHRISTMAS to you also.

#495 MARS Trucker 12/20/2005 10:46AM PST
Charles if you are still monitoring this thread: what are the rules regarding proselytizing the masses here at LGF?
I have yet to see this with our fellow Lizards who are Jewish and to make matters worse (by coincidence, the Jehovah Witnesses are knocking on my door)...back... Do we need to have this sort of thing on LGF?
I left organized religion (Southern Baptist) because of the hypocrisy in organized religion.

XMangels did not God give us freedom of choice in the matter?
What difference does it make to you whether I choose to believe or not to believe as you Holier than Thou?

And you actually started the whole thing last night. I just politely explained that IMHO, LGF is not your pulpit or mine to make it fair.

Gene Scott you are not save the sermon for those who attend your church.

the above post was from the Jaw-Dropping MSM Moment of the Day thread btw

#60 T.H. Suburbia

We're all so proud of you here in Europe!

I'm not really surprised. You have nothing of your own to even be remotely proud of these days.

How's the auto torching coming these days?

#60 "We're all so proud of you here in Europe!"

Not half as proud as we are of Europe. Murder any Jews lately?

dang.

#51 rw in San Diego
The only time our military faulters is when politicians micro manage them. A perfect example is LBJ in Viet Nam and Dhimmi Carter managing the hostage situation in Iran.

#63 MARS Trucker

sorry to go OT but IMHO something has to be done here:

I think the action you are looking for is "ignore". Usually works for me.

#60 T.H. Suburbia

but hardly a word about the grand schemes of middle-eastern liberation that is on sale nowadays. Most of you held your noses and prayed that Xiao Bushi had a one-pager for his exit-strategy very, very close at hand.

This guy obviously missed all our discussions about the fly-paper strategy.

congratulations on your 1000th execution since 1977

Thanks!

lied you into this utterly useless endeavour in Iraq,

Obiously never read the NIE and a constitution and free elections apparently aren't utterly useless to the &0% of eligible Iraqi voters who turned out to get their very own purple fingers while under death threats.

Stupid tax policies, worse budget,

Yep, our economy is going right down the toilet.

terrible image overseas

With the same people who are pissed off at us for breaking up their oil-for-food gravy train.

ridiculous disaster-management

I absolutely agree 100 percent.

chasing after every bogus shill from the same people directly responsible for biggest recruiting place for terrorists in the first place.

I don't even know what this means

Bitching about the release of a 20-year-convict in Germany is just another sign of helplessness

Releasing a mass-murdering member of a terrorist organization right back into the arms of that organization because your government is being held hostage by proxy is helplessness.

Thanks for reminding me why I'm so thankful to be a right-wing, religious, gun-toting, flag-waving, Bush-loving American girl.

Now fuck off.

Speaking of ignore

*points at Post 60 and chuckles*

dolt.

#60

Then again, the LGF crew probably favours the death penalty anyway.

Wow, what shrewd insight.

Time for some Mossad like assasinations. Wait, the avengers might develop some "moral qualms" about it. (channeling Steven Spielberg).

#60 T.H. Sububaria
Your mother sucks cocks in hell, along with all cowardly euroweenies.
BTW, you euroweenies are one to talk about helplessness, The entire european comunity couldn't pull off a decent cluster fuck. Bend over asshole and get primed for your Dhimmitude, cause I wouldn't wish it on a nicer group of butt munchers, especially you you snide cowardly bastard.

# 60 TH

This guy got a life sentence and he served 20 years. This happens all the time, expecially in the U.S. Otherwise, the prisons would be even more crowded than they are today.

Typical crap. First start out with a "mostly true" statement. . .

This guy got a life sentence

Actually he got life without the possibility of parole

Then say that your opponent is just as bad or worse than you are, based on a faulty understanding of the actual facts . . .

This happens all the time, expecially (sp) in the U.S.

Actually, nearly every state in the U.S. has passed "truth in sentencing" laws, and "life without the possibility of parole" does NOT result in parole reviews or any possibility of release, but I guess we couldn't expect that you rely on actual "Facts"

Then, follow up with a red-herring argument about why this isn't as bad as it seems . . .

Otherwise, the prisons would be even more crowded than they are today.

If the problem to be corrected is crowded prisons, there are several fairly simple solutions. Don't impose prison sentences for crimes. Build more prisons. Expand the use of the death penalty. Trade all prisoners for money/hostages/courtside tickets, etc.

Nice argument TH, very persuasive. /sarc

#72 grayp- wow, well done. (standing ovation)

#60 T.H

We're all so proud of you here in Europe!

Were you not brave enough to stand behind your own opinion alone?

As a fellow European I say not in my name!

#13 American Infidel

#8 Paul

Sadly, this is nothing new from our Euorpean allies.

I think we need another term for 'European allies', because they certainly are NOT allies in any sense of the word...

I always found that "scum-sucking chicken shit bastards" worked especially well when referring to our "friends" across the pond.

Delata Force was the last movie Lee Marvin ever appered in. For comic relief in that film was Lainie Kazan, Joey Bishop, Shelly Winters and George Kennedy (as a priest). Robert Forster played the main Hiabullah villain.

Chuck Norris made a lot of good action flciks in the mid 1980's. He has said that he loved to film in Israel.

The movie "Iron Eagle" was filmed in Israel as well with Israeli Kfir jets subsituting for Soviet era MIGs.

#60 T H Shit

"We're all so proud of you here in Europe!"

I wish I could say we were proud to claim our ancestors came here from Europe, or had some reason to be proud of Europe these days.

So they traded a moslem for a MOSLEM!?

This is sicker than I originally thought.

# 72 grayp

High five!

(gotta love multiple fiskings!)

#72 grayp

Stupid tax policies, worse budget,

Yep, our economy is going right down the toilet.

LOL! The EUnuchs pay almost twice as much in taxes, have more than twice the level of unemployment, and less than half the annual economic growth, that that dope thinks OUR policies are stupid?!?

#60 T.H. Suburbia

What you have missed is that Germany was supposed to inform the US, and extradite this guy for a court appearance in the USA.

There is a treaty, signed by Germany, that agrees to that sort of exchange.

You miss the part of the story that explains why Germany would fail to follow through in this case. Quite possibly this is for an exchange of a hostage. If so, then no German citizen is safe in most middle east countries.

on a slightly more tactful level than maddog...

TH...

What you don't understand is that the United States has been dismantling the Terrorists, brick by brick.

Quite Frankly, I don't see why your opinion of our low taxes and growing economy has to do with the War on Terror, so we'll skip that part, as well as the part about actually executing evil people who commit multiple murders.

Where are you from? England? Maybe you should petition for England to stop helping us in Iraq and Afghanistan.

France? Maybe you should ask your leaders why they were involved in an illegal deal with Iraq, exchanging weapons for oil.

Germany? Well.. if you are from Germany, you just need to be quiet. You haven't outlived the survivors of the holocaust quite yet.

Let's play. Why is socialism so great? (you come off as a socialist or Communist)

Why is paying 80% of your income to the government, only to have it go to your deadbeat neighbor on welfare, superior to actually earning and achieving?

It's outrageous Germany aparently didn't consult with the U.S. before releasing this terrorist.

The U.S. should charge Hamadi with murder of an American citizen, capture him, and bring him to justice - Tookie style.

(Make that faster than Tookie.)

60 T.H. Suburbia
Are you permanently stuck on stupid?

The germans probably think that upsetting the US will not get them bomb like upsetting the terrorist surely would. Makes sense from their shortsighted point of view.

#88 Joel

T.H. Suburbia StuckonStupid

Fixed that for you.

60 T.H. Suburbia
Since you are a girl who lives in a country which used to hang boys who stole bread, you should STFU and die. By the way what has your continent given the world in the last 100 years but:
1. Nazism
2. Marxism
3. The Holocaust

91 LK
Thanks.
I cannot stand getting lectured by British girlie men.

#93 Joel

I enjoy it. something to laugh at. I got into it a week or so ago with a couple Canadians who thought that we were stealing oil from Iraq.

I just kept asking them about the Oil for Food Scandal, and about how they liked paying over half their paycheck (in some cases up over 80% between provincial and federal taxes)..

they exploded. I chuckled.

I stayed at Stetham Hall while attending training at Naval Base Dam Neck, VA. Good man, it's a shame to see his killer set free.

#60 T.H. Suburbia
Look dude, it isn't the job of the POTUS to be popular with you Euroweenies. If he isn't popular with the likes of you then he's doing a hell of a fine job in my book. FOAD troll.

76 maddog44
Wow Bravo! You sound like a male version of the Susie Greene character on "Curb Your Enthusiasm."

#71 Spiny Norman
Yeah I guess I'll try that next time. He/she didn't start off as a Troll but Xmangles is in "Scroll-over" mode on my mouse from now on.

#60 T.H. Suburbia

We here in America are so proud of you in Europe. You've managed to go a record 60+ years without killing each other on a massive scale (will chalk the whole Balkan thing up to nostalgia and move on).

Of course, it was the blood and treasure of America that delivered your freedom to you and maintained it all these decades (talk about a quagmire!).

To paraphrase Rick from Casablanca, it's not that Europe is nothing but a parasite that I mind so much, it's that you are an ungrateful parasite that I object to.

#60

Go watch a soccer match. Let us know if someone ever scores a friggin' goal. Tosser.

CHARLES - I think a clean up in aisle #76 might be called for.

94 LanceKates
Since any Cnadians with half a brain has emigrated to either the United States or Australia, what is left is a pale version of a Frenchman.

#77 Fatal
Actually, nearly every state in the U.S. has passed "truth in sentencing" laws, and "life without the possibility of parole" does NOT result in parole reviews or any possibility of release, but I guess we couldn't expect that you rely on actual "Facts"

Being in the business I thought you might get a kick out of what we call the type of "release" Life w/o Parole inmates recieve. We affectionatley refer to this as a RIBB or:

"Release in Body Bag"

#60 T.H. Suburbia

Are you sure you got all your Indymedia epithets in?

High time some people start choking on their pretzel logic.

I prefer Katy Lied.

This is why the Euroweenies are against the death penalty. You cant trade em for hostages if their dead.

#71 Spiny Norman

I think the action you are looking for is "ignore".

And do not call with your credit card ready when the 800 number flashes on the screen.

#102 joel

there are some mighty fine canadians-eh.

Miss Trixie happens to be one of my favorites.

a few other good LGFrs from the Great White North.

I have some friends from up there to.

I view canada like I view New York State. A bunch of people who think of themselves are more important than they realy are, but also some really good people too.

104 WWTW

I like "Aja" best - call me Deacon Blues.

#105 hous bin pharteen

Good one. I like that. Also like your nic.

#98 MARS Trucker

He/she didn't start off as a Troll but Xmangles is in "Scroll-over" mode on my mouse from now on.

Long-winded off-topic sermons always get "scrolled over". I have no need to bitch at them for comment spamming or "blog pimping". Charles hasn't asked me to be hall monitor...

:^)

107 LK
I live in NY State and you are right. Of course there are still plenty of decent Canadians, however I hope that they eventually leave Canada and enrich the United States, just like I hope that the French and British Jews emigrate to the United States, Israel and Australia thereby enriching those nations while simultaneously impoverishing those members of Old Europe.

Lance, etc,

There are some mighty fine Canadians. There are some mighty fine Europeans, too.

#60 T.H. Suburbia.

Just remember fool. This time you are going to have to live in the bed you made.
We are not coming over to save your sorry asses for the third time in 100 years. You bitches are on your own this time.

PS.

All the yanks who go over there say when they come back they liked it, but they are glad they dont live there. All the Euro's I have ever met who come to this country, DONT WANT TO GO HOME!

/Yes Alex, I would like to buy a clue please.

#63 MARS Trucker - I don't know how it got started but as far as I can tell LGF is open to everyone Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddist, Shinto, Confucian, Islam, agnostics and atheists (and anyone I've inadvertantly left out).

Sincerly to my Christian and Jewsish friends out here, a Merry Christmas/Happy Chanuka and to others
including agnostics and atheists, have a nice day and to all of youse, a very Happy, Healthy and Peaceful New Year.

Oh wait. I lied. Johhny Depp doesent want to come home.

Oh wait again. Yes he does.

MMMhaaahahahahahahahahahahhaha!

#106 Who Watches the Watchmen?

And do not call with your credit card ready when the 800 number flashes on the screen.

Even if they'll double my order if I'm one of the first 10 callers!

#60 puked: Bitching about the release of a 20-year-convict in Germany is just another sign of helplessness. High time some people start choking on their pretzel logic.

Doubt you'd say that to my face or I'd have you helplessly choke on your teeth, crapweasel.

Oh. And one more word.

TAX EXILE

#72 grayp

Bravo, Cheers and A Standing Ovation...!

Shouldn't he have been extradited (sp?) to the US to face trial here?

#113 hous bin pharteen

We are not coming over to save your sorry asses for the third time in 100 years.

Yes we are. We just need a "piece of the action" this time (51st & 52nd states?).

114 realwest
Earlier this morning on a now dead thread you mentioned the numbers of New Yorkers who are moving to North Carolina (I expressed a desire to one day relocate there). The one negative about that is all those Northeasterners who voted liberal and are fleeing the consequences of the failed liberal policies (of NY, Mass. Rhode Island, Maryland) will bring their peculiar politics to a Red State and turn it into a Blue State. Look what happened to Vermont.

. The Bundesrepublik has been utterly reliable in choosing expediency over honor.

The life of Petty Officer Stetham was the cost of doing business.

Fuck Germany!

#111 joel

one of my chief complaints about NY (and CA for that matter) is that they think the other 48 aren't quite as important as they are.

we're referred to as 'flyover states' . . . like we're second class.

All I can say is... New York City... I might ride the bus tonight. *evil grin*

I wish that we could bring the coffins of our servicemen from WWI and WWII who made the gave the last full measure of devotion (as Lincoln said it at Gettysburg) for those ungrateful European curs, back to sacred American soil.

Fatal,

Not only did the Germans violate this scumbags sentence (life without parole), not only did they negotiate with terrorists, not only did they exchange one terrorists for an "Islamic convert", they violated their word and treaty with the U.S. regarding international extradition.

Not to defend this release, but there is no such thing as life without parole in German law. Non-extradition also happened because the death penalty is against the German constitution, that also goes for cases were the country the convict is extradited to will execute him.

Like I said, I don't defend this at all, though. Even if his parole hearing was back in June, even the appearence that our government gave in is shameful and will have bad consequences as far as further abductions are concerned.

Here is a humane idea instead of the death penalty. Deport them. To Europe.

realwest, Who Watches the Watchmen, Spiny Norman...

spoken like real pros :)

#129 hous

and put an ankle bracelet on that can't be taken off. and have it explode if they leave the European Borders. Not a big explosion... just enough to take off their leg.

Joel-

The graveyard in Normandy IS American soil. However, I agree with you.

#115 hous bin pharteen

Oh wait again. Yes he does.

LOL! You crack me up!

126 Lance Kates
Although there are plenty of decent New Yorkers (including me) you are right. They are a condescending, intolerant, elitist lot for the most part who look down on anyone who does not spend Sunday afternoons sipping Cappucinnos or Frappucccinos at Upper West Side/Morning Side Heights/Soho cafes discussing Sartre while carrying a copy of the overweight, over priced New York Times and does not think that Woody Allen is a genius.

The sympathy felt for New York on 9/11 was misplaced. The sympathy belonged to the families of the victims. The attack was not on New York but on America. Many New Yorkers show as much gratitude as the French, British, Belgians and Germans show.

#60

"When the towel-snapper-in-chief swaggered and lied you into this utterly useless endeavour in Iraq."

We were attacked at Pearl Harbor by the Japsin WW2.
So what did we do? Attack the French.

You just cant know what we riled up Yanks may do. Thats one good reason not to piss us off.

The U.S. owes it to its citizens and the family and loved ones of Robert Dean Stethem to hunt down and kill not only Mohammed Ali Hamadi but everyone on the Hizballah side involved in negotiating or facilitating his release. As for Germany, I think a significant and public economic sanction would suffice. John Bolton should announce it on the floor of the UN.

132 W-lover
When Chuck De Gaulle ordered American troops out of France in 1966, LBJ (or Dean Rusk) asked "shall we withdraw our graves from Normandy"?

Kaddafi recently tried to blackmail Britain to compel release of the Lockerbie bomber who murdered 189 Americans.

Wonder what Germany secured by releasing Stetham's Hezbollah murderer... just before today's German-Iranian nuclear negotiations?

/sanguin pro quo

Jheka-

I'd boycott Germany, but I already don't buy German products. Everything I buy seems to be made in China.

I also think we should bomb Iran and Syria.

But I think we should do it with left over or newly built B-17's, B-29's, and B-24's.
(After taking out their air-defense systems of course)

That way we can really rub their noses in it.
Not only did we beat the crap out of you. We did it with 50 year old stuff!

# 103 The_Pickle

RIBB - that's a good one, I'll have to remember that.

Thanks

#140 W-Lover

I bought a hat for my dad that had the word "Marine" across the front of it.

inside was a tiny tag "Made in China"

I sighed and brought the hat back.

just deflates the balloon.

# 97 joel
I should maintain better control, but when a snide gutless euroweenie gets on here and spews the kind of crap T.H. Shitheadia does while brave men and women in the armed forces are in harms way (which would include the man that this terrorist killed, I get slightly "warmed up" and have a tendancy to slap them back under the log they crawled out from under. Call it a weakness...

#122 Joel - yeah I know (and am pleasantly surprised that you saw and remembered that!). But my gut feeling is no LLL would EVER move to a Red State, much less a Southern State unless forced to by job circumstances. Sigh. As I said many times before, the only real problem with Democracy is that the majority may disagree with you and vote against you. I can live with that. Hope they all stay here, though, cause then I'll be either fighting a one-man war or I'll be moving and it's much more likely the latter.

BTW - I'm gonna ask Charles again, to please clean up aisle #76 for more reasons than I can count but two will do: one - according to Charles lots of kids read LGF (either over Mom or Dad's shoulder or while sitting in their laps) and two, LGF is a much classier place than that.

#60 T. H.

You bring to mind a quote...

It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre

Thanks for taking time out of your busy day.

Considering that Germany (West Germany that is) conspired with Black September to release the three surviving humanoids of the Munich Massacre, nothing is beneath them.

#146 abu

I thought of this one:

We know now that as human beings busy themselves about their various concerns, they were scrutinized and studied, perhaps almost as narrowly as man with a microscope might scrutinize the transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water.

With infinite complacence people went to and fro over the earth about their little affairs, serene in the assurance over their dominion over this small, spinning fragment of solar driftwood. Which by chance or design, Man has inherited out of the dark mystery of time and space. Yet across an immense ethereal gulf, minds that are to our minds, as ours are to the beasts in the jungle. Intellects vast, cool and unsympathetic, regarded this Earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us.

people like TH think of themselves as the "Intellects"

then I remembered what happened to the Martians in the book... then I feel better... and I feel pity for Eurpoe.

Joel-

LBJ had to ask?! Then he's a bigger tool than I ever thought.

Suburbia

Then again, the LGF crew probably favours the death penalty anyway. (btw, congratulations on your 1000th execution since 1977. You're still number three, behind China and Congo!)

How many innocent babies have you euroweenies ripped from the womb in the last 20 years? Didn't even get a trial did they?

We're all so proud of you here in Europe!

You have to be proud of something somewhere besides Euroweenieland, seeing the men gave their balls to the women a long time ago.

And as a side-note to the hell-we're-in-a-war-crowd:

When the towel-snapper-in-chief swaggered and lied you into this utterly useless endeavour in Iraq, most of you were probably hoping for an "inside-out" job in Bagdhad, or a "Gulf War lite" or an "Afghanistan redux" or whatever could make the presidents daddy proud, maybe dragging the Brits along, and feeling you've at least done SOMETHING against international terrorism - but hardly a word about the grand schemes of middle-eastern liberation that is on sale nowadays. Most of you held your noses and prayed that Xiao Bushi had a one-pager for his exit-strategy very, very close at hand. But lo-and-behold: Bush gave it all to the old Babylon Bitchslappers and Cheneys why-do-we-keep-on-giving-a-fuck-brigade.

Whatever you pathetic feces-eating looser. Only bitchslapping going on is the moslems slapping all your cheeks as they vaseline your asses.

And so it can all now, with three years of further screw-ups to spare - be laid at your doorstep (since you re-elected this guy): Stupid tax policies, worse budget, terrible image overseas, ridiculous disaster-management and chasing after every bogus shill from the same people directly responsible for biggest recruiting place for terrorists in the first place.

You got a lot of time to write standing in that euroweenie unemployment line.

Bitching about the release of a 20-year-convict in Germany is just another sign of helplessness. High time some people start choking on their pretzel logic.

High time you moral degenerates have your wife or daugher or son raped and killed, then the perp walks after 10 years...get back to us cowboys when you are eating the injustice PERSONALLY that you advocate people ought to accept as a matter of course, just like you Euro-eunuchs gladly submit to every tyrant and punk-ass dictator that EVER came along.

144 maddog44
I echo your loathing of euroweenies but we have to cut them down with devastating sarcasm. Anyway I saw an epsiode of Curb Your Enthusaism (yeah I know that Larry David and his real life wife Laurie are flaming liberals) and on the show his managers wife played by actress/comedienne Susie Essman curses him out by calling him a "four eyed ***." I thought of her when I read your posting.

The Europeans will become Islamized soon and the pathetic remnants will beg to be allowed to emigrate to the USA.

Joel-

The Europeans will become Islamized soon and the pathetic remnants will beg to be allowed to emigrate to the USA.

Well- there's always Canada.

We should have stopped at the Rhine in WW II & let those kraut ba$tards ALL be the descendants of Red Army rape babies... The years me & my dad spent in the U.S. Army keeping Ivan on his side of the Fulda Gap were wasted...

Iraq stops sending police to Germany for training. Article written 12/8/05 -- German training not up to par

# 137 Jeheka

The U.S. owes it to its citizens and the family and loved ones of Robert Dean Stethem to hunt down and kill not only Mohammed Ali Hamadi but everyone on the Hizballah side involved in negotiating or facilitating his release. As for Germany, I think a significant and public economic sanction would suffice. John Bolton should announce it on the floor of the UN.

Yes, let's bury the hatchet in OUR enemies!

And further, let us boycott the Steven Speilberg's that want to come along and make the execution of justice a morally neutral movie...Traitor to his ancestory!

149 W-lover
LBJ was being sarcastic.
Also the French Defens Minister (what an oxymoron that title is) said at the time that French nuclear weapons will be pointed in all directions (implying that some would be pointed at the United States) to show French national defense independence. Dean Rusk or Robert McNamara said to the French Amabssador should the United States take that into consideration when we start aiming our missiles (at France as well as at the USSR)? The French Ambassador clammed up.

137 "...The U.S. owes it to its citizens and the family and loved ones of Robert Dean Stethem to hunt down and kill not only Mohammed Ali Hamadi but everyone on the Hizballah side..."

"The U.S. designated Hezbollah as a foreign terrorist organization in 1997 and listed it as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist (SDGT) in 2001. Three members of Hezbollah - Imad Mughniyeh, Hasan Izz-al-Din, and Ali Atwa - are on the FBI's "Most Wanted Terrorists" list for their role in the 1985 hijacking of TWA Flight 847 during which a U.S. Navy diver was brutally murdered."
[Link: www.adl.org...]

I really don't see how all of these cowboy references are supposed to be insulting.

I mean, ever seen The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance?

The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly?

That was cool stuff. Considering Europe's imagery (The Man-Looking Lisa, Olga The Worker And Her Magic Tractor and the like) I consider the cowboy stereotype as flattery.

With that said, go brush your teeth, bumblefuck.

T.H. Suburbia

Lets see...Germany attempted world domination twice in one century and is 0/2.

Germany has been "training" Afghani police forces in order to "contribute" to the WOT. They have trained less than 200 policemen since the program began in mid 2002.

The EU could not ratify a constitution, but Iraq and Afghanistan did...in the middle of a war.

The German unemployment rate is ~ 10.4%.
The French unemployment rate is ~ 9.3%
The US unemployment rate is 5.0%

French "peace keepers" in the Congo have raped and produced porn films of their victims...along with murdering a few along the way, all while "peace keeping" under the banner of the UN (speaking of the UN, remember Rwanda?).

The German unemployment rate will tick up a few more notches when the US pulls the 2 remaining armored divisions out of that God-forsaken hole around 2009.

Three separate bi-partisan commissions have concluded that the President did NOT lie, fabricate, or otherwise missuse intelligence leading to the war in Iraq...intelligence that Germany, the UK, France, Italy, Spain, etc. all pointed to Saddam having WMD.

None of this will reverberate with the 6 or so brain cells linking your ears. So, when the mullahs inform you that pubs are banned (serve alcohol), homosexuals will be executed (you guys tried this once), women must be veiled, no more bacon, etc., I PRAY we don't spend a dime or drop of American blood in saving your mangey rears for the THIRD time!

#155 Jehu:

I'm not going to condemn Spielberg (who has done great things with Yad Vashem, not to mention re-introducing the world to the Holocaust through Schindler's List) until I see the movie or hear from someone that I trust who has seen the movie.

Actually, if you haven't seen "Sword of Gideon" which covers the same subject matter as "Munich," you should. It was a very good and interesting movie.

Of course they never paroled my grandmother or her 5-year old daughter. They executed them instead.

They were guilty of the heinous crime of being Jooos you see.

May the Krauts burn in hell forever.

Stupid tax policies, worse budget, terrible image overseas,

#1- "Stupid tax policies"- If it's stupid to want to keep the money you've rightfully earned, then color us all stupid.

#2- "worse budget"- Nice grammar. Also- at least it isn't France's.

#3- "terrible image overseas"- Again, at least it isn't France's.

Hope you & your continent don't need any American help with anything anytime soon, because you'll get NONE from me.

#159 SaneInMN

Germany has been "training" Afghani police forces in order to "contribute" to the WOT. They have trained less than 200 policemen since the program began in mid 2002

And, Iraq is fed up with their training also. See post #154.

#133 grayp
#109 HDrepub

Thanks for the compliments!

#134 American Infidel

Please note that Lebanese attempts to mount Australians have met with only mixed success.

161 "They executed them instead."

The term "executed" implies some sort of legal justification. They were murdered.

153 scorched earth 138

The years me & my dad spent in the U.S. Army keeping Ivan on his side of the Fulda Gap were wasted...

Ditto for me. I always thought I was wasting my time and US resources there.

Joel-

I always learn something when you're around. Thanks.

163...

The German military is obviously not qualified to train mall guards, let alone police who must deal with IED's, drug-crazed Islamofascists who rig dead babies with C4, etc.

#54 LanceKates 12/20/2005 10:33AM PST

"I feel pride in our country, despite the Left's actions to try to sway me from such pride. I really feel that the United states is the best country in the world, perhaps also the most selfless."

No doubt the best, most selfless and generous.

#60 T.H. Suburbia 12/20/2005 10:48AM PST

Only positive thing in that post was making me want to find my old Steely Dan albums...

Didn't that bastard literally kick Mr. Stetham off the plane after he killed him or was that another hijacking? I do remember how pissed off I was when I saw that on the news. It was one of those moments that stays with you forever. Another thing, when is some hostage gonna tell their captors "Fuck off and kill me you pig licking Islamoloser!", instead of pleading for their lives on Al Jism? If I was captured, I would not want my family to beg for my life. I hate empowering those Islamoassholes!

{Apologies to those whose families have had to suffer this fate. I'm sure it's horrifying to have your life or the life of a loved one threatened}

...but I'd love to see some stoicism shoved in the face of these bastards of humanity.

160 Jheka
Sword of Gideon was based on the same discredited book "Vengeance" that Spielberg's
moral equivalence clap trap is based on. Speielberg claims that the Palis were individuals too - no doubt they were, they were evil individuals. When he made Schindelr's Lsit did he try to show the humanity of the S.S. guards who were individuals too? And WTF was he thinking giving the writing of the screen play to Marxist self hating anti Semite Tony Kushner?

168 W-lover
Thanks for the nice compliment. I have a long walk home tonight thanks to the useless NY City transit workers.

Hello, U.S. Ambassador to Germany?
This is George W. Bush. Please return to the USA shores for "consultation". Bring your family.

BRAC-Base Re-alignment and Closure Act.
# 1. Close Ramstein Air base.
# 2. Close Huge base in Hanover.

Target date June 06.

Merkel govt--Eff Off.

OT:

Cheney Quote:

"Phone Tapping will continue because it is legal and because they are still a hell of a threat."

#126 LanceKates - um Lance old buddy, if you mean ride a bus to NYC look me up, please (hit my nic and send an e-mail) but you won't be riding any busses or subways here, we've got a TOTAL transit strike on our hands right now.
Now I gotta worry about how to get my Mom from the Airport to here without spending almost literally my last dime.
Shit.

170 uvgotabkidnme

Didn't that bastard literally kick Mr. Stetham off the plane after he killed him or was that another hijacking?

I believe you are correct. He dumped Stetham's body on the tarmac, after he had beaten him to death with an arm rest taken from a seat.

W-lover
One more thing. Chalres DeGaulle was described as looking as ugly as a "human asparagus". DeG (who thought that he was God's other son) once said "My personal tragedy is that I have respect only for people who stand up to me - but those persons I find intolerable."

sorry for the foul language but not for the sentiments expressed.

Joel-

Be thankful you're not in MN! We've barely hit 20^o!

I've been through transit strikes here too (two of them) and I can tell you I wanted the Governor to fire them all! I mean- what a nice way to say "Merry Christmas New York"! Hope it's over soon for you all.

#170 uvgotabekidnme

Didn't that bastard literally kick Mr. Stetham off the plane after he killed him or was that another hijacking?

Your memory is correct. They dumped his body on the tarmac.

Another thing, when is some hostage gonna tell their captors "Fuck off and kill me you pig licking Islamoloser!", instead of pleading for their lives on Al Jism?

One of the murdered Italian hostages did just that. He got up off his knees and yelled "Here! I'll show you how an Italian dies!"

160 Jheka

Who did Sword of Gideon?

Speilberg did very will with Schindler's List, but more than one review says he made a movie that treats the Israeli team and the terrorists on equal footing, all about the angst incured by the commando team as they kill these scum one by one. Here is one review from New Republic.

Review

I will see the movie myself, but am wary of a Hollywood that 3 years after 9/11 won't put out a clear movie depicting Islamo-facists as the threat to Western Civilization that they are. Such movies like Sum of All Fears. The terrorists are transformed by Hollywood into neo Nazis, while Clancy had them as Islamo-Facists in his book.

Or we have Jarhead, which is all about the angst of some discontented Marine. Or that T.V. series "Over There," some sort of Military Peyton Place...never, EVER about the fact that our military is liberating millions of people.

No such thing as a bright line of right and wrong for Hollywood. Everything is as confused to them as their own lack of morals or sense of right and wrong.

#175 realwest

I know about the strike... that's why I said it.

here in OKC... we can ride the bus.

The strike there in New York is emblematic of the attitude I meantioned in my post about some New Yorkers.

Here in OKC, we hear and get regular updates about the Strike in NYC.

But i'll bet that y'all haven't heard much about how the GM plant closing in Oklahoma is affecting us. (If people have even heard about the plant closing in Oklahoma)

37-BIG--Boy this ticks me off. I think we should close the bases immediately. If it f*cks the GErman economy...too bad.

However, I've thought some that the bases are there to sit on Germany so it can't re-arm for WWIII. In the sense that they are not trust-worthy. Remember that idiot that stabbed Monica Seles(?). They never tried him or sentenced him to much time.
Like with hitler's times, the judiciary is suspect in Deutschland.

180 W-lover
The poor small business owners who make money during this time of the year due to people for example stopping off after work for a drink, are going to suffer. Yet we should all feel sorry for the "working" men and women of the MTA who make on the average $62,000 a year and want to retire at 55. Ronald Reagan did th eright thing when he told the Air Traffic controllers "You have 24 hours to get back to work or you've fired yourself."

How did they murder Stethem ?

"Capt. JOHN TESTRAKE: [1993 interview] By this time, they had tied young Stethem back up en route, had beat him some more. He was unconscious. We were on the ground now. They opened the door, pulled him to his feet, shot him and dumped his body out onto the taxiway below. It was just such a tragic, tragic waste. And yet it was done."

Capt. JOHN TESTRAKE was the Capt. of TWA Flight 847

[Link: www.pbs.org...]

182 jehu
Goerge Jonas wrote the discredited book "Vengeance" on which "The Sword of Gideon" and "Munich" were based.

Article in German newspaper regarding release of murderer secret release

"Diplomacy" as usual. Don't you wonder also why Dr. Germ and her posse were released after the election? Quid pro quo for no attacks that day?

186 mj
One of the saddest things was that Captain Testrake became an Israel basher. He wrote a book and trashed Israel mercilessly. He died a few years ago by the way. I tried to write him once to ask if it was Israel or the Muslims who murdered Steathem?

#181 grayp

One of the murdered Italian hostages did just that. He got up off his knees and yelled "Here! I'll show you how an Italian dies!"

His name was Fabrizio Quattrocchi and he proved not all Euros are worthless, a damn good man by all accounts.

Too bad he and men like Stethem don't make the history books but traitors like Ramsey Clark are remembered fondly by some forever.

187 Joel

Even the title of the Jonas book is antisemitic if you ask me. It attempts to play on the idea that "Old Testament" justice is only about vengeance..."An eye for an eye" type thing. It plays into that old stereotype, that Jews seek vengeance, not Justice.

#185 Joel

Bloomberg has no balls. Reagan did do the right thing, but then again, he didn't worry about polls or what people thought. He just did what was right. We need more like him.

Joel

Thanks. I am so suspicious of Hollywood to ever show Americans or Israelis as just being right. They have to drag their moral equivalence around like a dead corpse chained to their necks.

The lack of movies about 9/11 SCREAMS to me that they are already lost to Politically Correct cowardice. The "Sum of All Fears," was an outrage. That they replace the Islamo-Facists with worn out neo-Nazis was ridiculous. The only villians they did not drag in were their ubiqutious Albino, and a crazed right-wing Christian Fundamentalist, O and maybe a fat guy.

Sorry all,

couldn't resist.
I just like to watch the ugly American rear its head once in a while.

Feels like throwing a bone to a Rottweiler.

Thanks for feeding all my cherished clichées.

The irony here is that Germany probably flew him home first class on TWA..

Joel-

I hear you loud and clear! It was the same here, and their contract is almost up again. You know what that means.

I just like to watch the ugly American rear its head once in a while.

Yeah- we got our ugly genes from our European ancestors.

197 W-lover
Yes and the Municipal Unions (which are killing our big cities)have their best friends in the Democratic Party. I have told several of my co-workers that they can crash at my place (I am a 40 minute walk to work).

Suburbia

Thanks for feeding all my cherished clichées.

If you send us your address we will send you a Turkey Baster and some sperm so you can get your woman pregnant.

If you need some condoms I have some left over finger cots.

# 190

Captain Testrake was always an Israel basher though he behaved with a certain amount of dignity while the crisis was in progress- unlike that Jew-hating pig Caspar Weinberger who was leaking anti-Israel comments everywhere in the media. Also, as I noted way back in comment 28, Charles Glass and Peter Jennings served as the mouthpiece for the terrorists. Glass, by the way, continues to write anti-Israel articles. He might have converted to Islam, but I'm not certain of that.

The Krauts haven't learned anything in the last 65 years. Fuck'em.

195 T.H. Suburbia
First off although I am sad to say this, I think that you are actually an American LLLer and not a member of the Eurotrash (I wish you were not an American). Your syntax betrays you. If you are British (I wish) then I am certain that you are unemployed and toothless as well as an alocholic.

Joel-

Here we have a Metropolitan Council which funds our transit. It's real nice (sarc). The Council members are unelected (chosen by the Governor) and do they ever bend over backwards for their customers (more sarc).

201 mj
Charles Glass has been an open Israel hater for many years. (He is of Lebanese descent). I remember that NBC was giving Nabi Berri so much air time (he was head of the AMAL - a Leb. terror group) that detractors were calling NBC the Nabih Berri Corporation. ABC wsa called The Amal Broadcasting Corporation.
I saw Testrake's comments about Israel in a book he wrote several years ago and was angered and saddened by them. When he died I was not overly upset because of his Israel ahtred. Casper Weineberger wass a creep.

185 Joel And let's not leave out all the folks who live in Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx and Staten Island but who have to some how get to and from work in Manhattan* I vote we tell what Reagan did to the air traffic controllers too - they make $60,000 plus a year, including benefits you wouldn't believe and they're going on Strike? MF's.
And let's not overlook the MTA's role in all this; under the contract or the law, this is an illegal strike and I think the workers SHOULD get docked two days pay for every day they're on this illegal strike, but you know the MTA won't do that or they'll be another strike. For crying out loud isn't there a NY Politician of Power around with enough guts to tell these transit workers "Enough MF'ers" (well, ok, maybe just "Enough" - these mf's can retire at 55 on like 60% of base pay for last 5 years AND keep health insurance.
They are REALLY hurting the little guys, not the Limosene rich.
*My part time Nurse attendant actually rode a bike, in 18 degree weather this morning (even after I asked her not to,to stay home I can take care of my meds and all)from deep inside Brooklyn. Talk about tough. Talk about work ethic. And all the folks who work as doorman, porters, janitors and mechanics in high rise office and apartment buildings who of course can't afford to live in Manhattan - THEIR contract dock's 'em a days pay for every day they don't show up unless under doctors orders to stay home.
And the LAST STRAW was the time of year they picked to go on strike; when this strikes over I'm going to be giving the finger to every transit worker I see and if they don't like it, we can settle it ourselves, ya know.

#181 grayp

And Al-Jazeera refused to show the video of the Italian, stating that it was too gruesome. Sawing off heads isn't?

Cowardly terrorist supporters were scared shitless to show anyone standing up to the cowardly terrorist POS's.

Dumkopf Uber Alles...

Here is a dumb question. I thought all these terrorists were not connected?

Hezbollah and Iraq? This could not have been a trade. Doesn't this screw up the LLL's argument?

#195 T.H. surburia
Well, If you think I'm bad on-line, I wish I could see you in person, I'm sure we would have a stimulating conversation.

This is an admission to the very definition of trolling and should get T.H. the boot out of here.

#204 W-Lover

I always shuddered when I saw a MetCouncil vehicle when I lived in the western suburbs.

I still think they should be brought up on criminal charges for what they did to the poor people in minneapolis.

some of the MetCouncil people owned land in Minneapolis that became a bit of a craphole of poverty.

so they told the people that they had to move to the suburbs of St. Louis Park, Hopkins, Minnetonka, etc, and the buildings were torn down and rebuilt as expensive apartments.

the landowners (on the MetCouncil) got a tax break for the redevelopment, and the MetCouncil agreed to have those short busses for these people they forcibly moved.

So they forcibly moved poor people, so they could get more money, got a break from the state on it, and got the council that THEY'RE ON to make the transportation issues go away.

Not a hint of it was ever in the news.

OT, but since there's no open thread (cough, cough)

Say a prayer for Wayne Gretzky & his family, as he lost his Mom to lung cancer yesterday. I know what its like to lose a parent to cancer & Wayne was & is a class act, a great athlete & proof that somtimes nice guys do finish first.

#195 thsububia

I have a few Rotties I'd like to intrduce you to.

192 jehu
Georege Jonas' book can be described at best as "historical fiction."
193 RobertD
Mike Bloomberg is defintiely no Rudy Giuliani
194 Jehu
Hollywood will never make a film that shows Muslims in a negative light. Don't you know that the enemy is really big corporations (The Manchurian Candidate or The Day After Tomorrow, Syriana), fundamentalist Christians, anti Communists (Goodnight and Good Luck), Israelis ("Private") and the people who decide to fight back (War of the Worlds and "Munich")?
204 W-Lover
Minnesota poltics let's face it are almost as left wing as Massachussetts, Vermont, Maryland, New Jersey and New York politics.

#181 grayp 12/20/2005 12:12PM PST

I've got a very bad memory but some things you never forget.

and thanks for reminding me about the brave Italian.

(OT) No one has had quite as much to say on the Islamist threat in Italy as they have on other already partially dhimmified European nations. I can't even begin to think of Italy falling back into the Dark Ages and having the work of thousands of years destroyed.

... besides, I have family over there with a furnished house they leave open for their relatives...

(God, that's pitiful, I know)

#186 mj 12/20/2005 12:14PM PST

Wow, reading that was like watching it all over again on tv. That particular event just haunts me. I remember feeling so sorry for the man, singled out and slaughtered. This was before I really had a clue about the real threat we are now facing. Back then, it was still the usual hijacking for the return of political prisoners or seeking asylum in Cuba.

I have to take a 10 minute break to actually do some work. Darn it! I'll be back.

#195 Superbia:

Shall we talk about the ugly Europeans for a while? Specifically the Germans and the even more corrupt Austrians?

Having lived there for ten years, I'm probably better qualified to talk than most Americans.

Or would you prefer not to be reminded of certain things?

Oh, and how's that whole "reunification" thing going? That's really working out for you, I hear.

And that big bolus of unassimalable Mohammedans you swallowed over the last 50 years or so, how's the integration going?

How are the Polish prostitutes treating you lately? You know, the ones who

Lance-

I think the Met Council should just be disbanded.

Also- {PK}

...sorry.

The ones you imported 'cause they're cheaper than real Germans, but just as blonde?

I could go on, but I'd hate to stir your shit too bad.

#195 T.H.

"Feels like throwing a bone to a Rottweiler."

This coming from a french poodle?
Thanks for the compliment!

Now you better back away real slooowww. We might chew your other leg off.

All your ugly european genes are belong to us!

#219 W-Lover

at least.

I'd still like to see an investigation.. but I'm sure that'd never happen.

Jheka 211

This is an admission to the very definition of trolling and should get T.H. the boot out of here.

Not right away...let us keep our little yellow football for a few more kicks.

# 195 TH

Amusing as always, can you see us smirking?

Feels like throwing a bone to a Rottweiler.

I guess that's better than shaving a french poodle's ass. Rottweiler's are one of the most loyal, protective and all-around good breeds of dogs out there. I've got no problem with you comparing America to a Rottie

Thanks for feeding all my cherished clichées.

Ahh, so you admit the source of your basic knowledge is "Clichees" (sp). Not sure I'd do that, but whatever floats your boat.

206 realwest
Bloomberg will grant them amnesty as the fare goes up to $2.30 a ride.

#211 Jheka

Aw let it have it's fun. It's too bad that even by troll standards this one is stupid. If you are going to troll, stick around and fight it out. Hitting and running is no fun.

I've tried it on the DU boards and the ban you right away. I try to be polite and have a discussions (as much as is possible with those folks) but they don't want to hear it.

If T.H. has something to say let's hear it and hope it's man/woman/other enough for a little give and take. I have no doubt the LGF brigades will hand it it's head (ooops, that makes us sound like Muslims).

Joel 215

Hollywood will never make a film that shows Muslims in a negative light. Don't you know that the enemy is really big corporations (The Manchurian Candidate or The Day After Tomorrow, Syriana), fundamentalist Christians, anti Communists (Goodnight and Good Luck), Israelis ("Private") and the people who decide to fight back (War of the Worlds and "Munich")?

You're right of course, I actually think if the Moslems bombed a studio, raped the wives and daughers of several producers and directors, the movie they put out would end up blaming America for making the Muslims all angry. The movie would probably open with an old Billy Graham crusade that told people that Christ is the only way to Salvation...and that is what produced the Islamic rage. Never mind any history on the pedophile, Jew/Christian murdering founder.

OT:

You know you live in Oklahoma if:

- the 700 Club is on the Television in the Breakroom.

Cato,

there are Eastern European prositutes brought to Germany, as well as other countries, but that was an organized crime activity, i.e human trafdicking.

#228 jehu

it was interesting how they changed Manchurian Candidate from being an anti-commie movie to an anti-big business movie.

OK, since there's no open thread:

Stalin wanted to create Ape-man warriors. People say that he failed. I'm not so sure.

#230 MartinG:

And your point is? Who do you think profits from organized crime besides the organized criminals?

Police, politicians and bureaucrats, that's who. They get paid nicely for looking the other way, and they even get to borrow the girls occasionally.

205 Joel

Yes, I remember those nicknames given to NBC and ABC. They were well-deserved. Did you ever see a documentary made by Americans for a Safe Israel in 1983 or 1984 about NBC's coverage of Israel's war in Lebanon? It was the first the time anyone documented the slanted TV coverage of Israel as a TV documentary. Of course, there had been books and magazine coverage of the anti-Israel coverage and especially the coverage of Flight 847. Commentary Magazine had some good articles back then about that covergae.

195 T.H. Suburbia - boy, no one can accuse you of not having a sense of humor can they?!

Why don't you come over here and watch us Americans at work and at play and see if we still live up to
cherished clichées [sic]. Seriously, no violence or anything like that; see if we really are what your no doubt "Learned Collegues" say we are, or your "newspapers" ( or ours, for that matter)and newsmagazines. Maybe we'll even let you throw a bone to each of our Rotweillers. Whaddya say? Up for a good challenge to your belief systems or would you rather keep spouting off those lines that sound so good from people you admire.
Just one example: Private US Citizens gave more of their own money to Tsuanami relief - benefitting primarily Muslim Nations, than did all the Muslim nations of the world collectively, including those filthy oiil rich ones who just the other day donated $40 MILLION dollars to two US Universities.
MInd you that's money for Tsunami relief from regular old Americans - we actually wrote the checks and mailed them before feeding our dogs.
Oh and how about how you folks in Europe "helped out" in Kosovo, where again US personnel ended the fighting, saving the lives of millions of muslims.
Try getting an education, you buffoon.

#232 Jheka: Do you mean to say that, in Soviet Russia, warriors aped you>

#195 T.H. Suburbia

I just like to watch the ugly American rear its head once in a while.

In the book The Ugly American, the title character wasn't called that because he was arrogant or had bad manners. He was actually ugly.

#195 T.H Suburbia

Thanks for feeding all my cherished clichées.

Anytime. Don't be a stranger. Anytime a EUnich stops by and proves that facts and debate aren't what satisfy an appetite satiated only with cliches, we're hugely entertained.

#191 ferris

His name was Fabrizio Quattrocchi

Thank you. I tried to google but it was taking too long.

And your point is? Who do you think profits from organized crime besides the organized criminals?

Police, politicians and bureaucrats, that's who. They get paid nicely for looking the other way, and they even get to borrow the girls occasionally.

That, too is illegal, and not official policy.

231 LanceKates - I've seen the Manchyrian Candidate at least ten times in my life ( a truly great film; Sinatra at his best) and it wasn't against corporate america; I think you and Jehu have movie titles mixed up - this one involved North Korean, Chinese and Russians "priming" US Korean War POWS.

realwest-

they may be talking about the recent re-make.

Sez you, MartinG.

"Lord, grant me the serenity to ignore the trolls, the courage to debate with honest opponents, and the wisdom to know the difference."
The Venerable Charles Johnson.

what trolls? just scroll past...

o.k. o.k. I'll contribute...

TH Suburbia - maybe, if you're lucky, someone loves and understands you, but you won't find them here. Try looking in Syria or somewhere...

#195:

Feels like throwing a bone to a Rottweiler.

That's odd, because reading your posts feels like listening to a toy poodle yapping at the big dogs.

LanceKates

Another interesting Hollywood person is Steven Segal. He is supposedly an X-CIA black ops type. Yet many of his movies are anti-CIA, and very anti-Corporations.

To Hollywood, corporations are inheirently evil, newspaper reporters are inheirently good, and government is good, if the President is a Democrat. Also most men are stupid and posioned by testosterone. Any woman can bring down any man by a kick to the nuts. All men will sucumb to a big ass and long lashes, children are wise, military men are lunatics or 2 seconds away from a coup attempt.

Lawyers are always good, unless they are prosecutors, or defending a big corporation that mostly exists to pollute or rape the environment. Can't wait for the Hollywood movie about an x-General that starts a corporation that makes billions, who's only product is pollution.

And the General is plotting to overthrow the gov of the U.S. Once in control he will execute all homosexuals, fire all women and take their shoes and imprison them in kitchens. Most women will undergoe forced impregnation without the possibility of abortions.

We will be rescued by compassionate Muslims, finaced by a secret cabal of apostate, anti zionist NYC Jews, lead by an intrepid girl reporter from the NYT.

The move will end when intrepid girl reporter confronts the General who will take ten minutes to boast of his genius plot, his boasting and plot will end when intrepid girl reproter kicks him in the nuts.

The General will, of course, be a fat albino, right-wing fundamentalist Christian, who has posters of Hitler in his bedroom.

That, too is illegal, and not official policy.

Sounds like something the DNC would say...

It looks like an auspicious start for Germany's new leader. I guess that they pulled their troops out too.///

There are so many new and resurfacing trolls around here since Charles opened registration that lizards may get all the exercise they need just by playing footballs with them. The thread derailment risk is the downside however. Perhaps a troll house cookie bake is in order at an appropriate time and place. I'll bring the charcoal lighter and ornathology text.

#247 gymnast
Mmmm.
Grilled foul.
One of my favorites!

"Vi faccio vedere come muore un italiano!"

--Fabrizio Quatrocchi

#180 W-lover

I've been through transit strikes here too (two of them) and I can tell you I wanted the Governor to fire them all!

No, we can't fire them. It takes years and years of training to be able to time the transaction at the token booth just right, so that the customer has to run and still miss his train.

#240 realwest

there is a remake of that movie with Denzel.

They changed the enemy from who it was in the first movie and made it an anti-big business thing.

Came out in the last couple years, I think.

#249 Occasional Reader 12/20/2005 01:05PM PST

"Vi faccio vedere come muore un italiano!"

--Fabrizio Quatrocchi

I'll take that on a t-shirt, XXL please.

211

This is an admission to the very definition of trolling and should get T.H. the boot out of here.

Do you really expect me to argue seriously with the type of people who like to applaud earthquakes, as long as Muslims are the victims?

I have nothing against semi-serious ex-liberals, who feel mugged by reality - a perfectly acceptable position. But I don't need to entertain a foaming pile of islamophobes getting gang-raped by the very people they think are providing for their security.

#245 jehu

is he really X-cia? or are you talking about the types of roles that he plays?

I forget the name of one, but he was a lone person, fighting for American indians (I think it was American Indians) against the evil logging industry.

MadTV really rips into him.

#245 jehu:

Lawyers are always good

That part's true.

Can't wait for the Hollywood movie about an x-General that starts a corporation that makes billions, who's only product is pollution.

I'd wager they've already made it. But it reminds me... every now and again I'd tune into The L-Word on Showtime, so I could watch good-looking women make out with each other. Also, it's sort a hilarious self-parody of the LLL mindset. Anyhoo, I recall in one ep, one of the characters was volunteering at some sort of "community activist" center, and someone mentioned "oh, yeah, so-and-so is that t.v. televangelist", and another character adds, "doesn't he own that refinery in so-and-so [poor neighborhood], the one that's making those kids sick?" There you go... televangelist who owns an oil refinery that's making underprivileged children sick! There's no parody of LLL-think you can come up with that they haven't already done.

#254 Lance:

is he really X-cia?

He claims he is, I've always had my doubts. He is certainly a walking self-parody. But, so I'm told, really is extremely, extremely good at aikido.

#245

Another interesting Hollywood person is Steven Segal.

I assume by "interesting" you mean total AH.

He is supposedly an X-CIA black ops type.

Only in his fantasy world.

I wonder whether there are earthquakes in T.H.'s locale.

#256 Ai

he must be referring to the earthquake in Pakistan in which we not only donated an ungodly sum of money, but also sent our choppers and people there to make sure that things were distributed quickly and correctly.

Man... we're evil.

Suburbia

Do you really expect me to argue seriously with the type of people who like to applaud earthquakes, as long as Muslims are the victims?

We expect very little of invertebrates except to constitute a food group for higher orders of life. Speaking of the types here, as versus YOUR type. That would be the people that sent their sons and daughters to Moslem nations to free millions.

People that otherwise are our sworn enemies. As versus one of the nations you would felatio the entire male population with your tweezers and microscope FRANCE, if you didn't have to wait for that unemployment check.

That is the people that let 15,000 of its old and infirm die two summers ago cause they were busy on vacation and couldn't be bothered to go back and open the windows for gramps? When you fall off your moral high horse don't come crying to us when you break your neck.

Wow. We sure attracted some pond scum when LGF registration was open the last time.

245 jehu
Steven Seagal is as much an ex CIA guy as I am an ex KGB agent.

#257 OR

yeah, has a dojo or two of his own.

I've studied Akido..

When I get back in shape, I'd like to continue that. Probably my favorite form of martial arts.

though is version is not true akido, but a modified form of it.

True akido has a shove or two, or a light body strike, but only to take someone off balance. not the open hand hits to the face that he does.

Watching two akido masters fighting is better than watching that Cirque'de'soulis (sp?) thing.

(Especially when one is a very pretty lady)

Why couldn't they just send them to G'itmo?

#253 T.H.:

Do you really expect me to argue seriously with the type of people who like to applaud earthquakes

Funny, I thought I donated a pretty good chunk of change for Pakistan earthquake relief. I can assume you did, too, right?

Superbia (that's Latin for "pride," in case you didn't know) sez:

But I don't need to entertain a foaming pile of islamophobes getting gang-raped by the very people they think are providing for their security.

Since you seem to be semiliterate, could you perhaps explain to us exactly what the epithet "islamophobe" is meant to purport?

Just curious.

--Cato

[A member of the "foaming pile."]

#261 Ai

being in shape, of course, helps, but akido is not about speed, but fluidity.

you, in other styles, need speed to produce energy to transfer into strikes or blocks.

akido takes the energy from your opponent's strikes and uses it against them.

Let me just sum up your reactions, and I'm quoting verbatim here:

I'm a bent-over, unemployed french poodle with bad english teeth and a german urge to exterminate jewish people in my spare time.

Good thing most of you people don't even own a passport.

#261 AI:

That lardbutt cannot move fast enough

You don't really need to be in Bruce Lee kind of shape to do aikido successfully. It is a very energy-conserving kind of martial art, and was actually designed IIRC to be usable by old men. Many highly-ranked aikido instructors are quite paunchy.

#270 Suburbia:

Good thing most of you people don't even own a passport.

I hate to break it to you, genius, but you don't "own" a passport, either. (You might want to actually read the fine print on that sucker some time to see who really owns it.)

#270 TH

*smirk*

nope. its good for YOU that we aren't the evil people you think we are.

It is also good for YOU that the United States is not the evil greedy nation you think it is, since we've saved Europe twice...

and when the muslims start attacking where you live, the US will come and help you again.

#253 T.H. Suburbia

Do you really expect me to argue seriously with the type of people who like to applaud earthquakes, as long as Muslims are the victims?

If by applaud you mean donate millions of dollars and fly half way around the world to help then yes, that does sum up America.

If you mean take joy in the pain of others, than I think you have someother people in mind.

#270

I'm a bent-over, unemployed french poodle with bad english teeth and a german urge to exterminate jewish people in my spare time.

You forgot 'stupid'.

~~~waves to ploome~~~

OR

You're right, no parody can compare to Hollywood's reality.

Far as Seagal, I saw some T.V. biogragphy interviewing some people that said little is known of Seagal, people on the biography said (with some assurance) he moves and knows people in sort of this underground mercenary types.

All I know is he is a raving LLL that had some good martial arts moves, but I think my Mossberg 12 guage is faster and easier to learn.

#273 Ai

LOL..