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 RetweetIranian Pilgrims in Mecca Shout "Death to America"

Mon, Jan 9, 2006 at 10:21:53 am PST

Iranian pilgrims in Mecca for the Hajj demonstrate the peaceful, tolerant nature of Islam, via MEMRI TV.

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Crowd: Israel is the enemy of Allah.

Man: May the hands of the infidels be chopped off.

Crowd: May the hands of the infidels be chopped off.

Man: May the hands of the infidels be chopped off.

Crowd: May the hands of the infidels be chopped off.

Man: (Chopped off) from the land of the believers.

Crowd: From the land of the believers.

Man: The Audience will now split into two groups: One group will settle the score with America, and the other will settle the score with Israel. This group now: Death to America!

Crowd: Death to America!

Man: Death to Israel!

Crowd: Death to Israel! Death to America!

Man: Death to America!

Crowd: Death to America!

Man: Death to America!

Crowd: Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel!

Man: All together now: Death to America! Death to Israel!

Crowd: Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel!

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1 locutus  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:23:33am

But, but...Islam is a religion of peace!

2 DocDublU  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:23:53am

sort of like Go M! Go Blue! what lovely people.

3 dennisw  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:24:16am

A pep rally for Jihad and Islamo-fascism

4 RaiderDan  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:24:28am

``but, but, the New York Times told us to be tolerant of Islam?''

Channeling South Park's ``Museum of Tolerance'' episode here...

5 dhimmi smits  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:24:30am

wow - they really 'settled the score' with those cheers.

6 vero  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:24:59am

hmmm glass parking lot

7 gtrtech  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:25:25am

Won't the real S'lim Sha-Hadi please stand up...and put one finger from each (severed) hand up...

8 arier_tzvi  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:25:37am

typical brainwashing clerics.

9 William  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:25:48am

MOAB
 

10 Liz Ard  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:25:53am

They sound a lot like moonbats, actually.

11 godfrey  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:26:13am

Why, they're just as peaceful as Buddhists chanting "Om."

12 kiwiviv  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:26:48am

They're not going to kill me!

13 doubledip  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:27:02am

Trying to imagine a group of Christians and Jews chanting "Death to Iran! Death to Saudi Arabia! Death to Mecca! Death to Karbala!"

Not seeing it. Must be the religion after all.

14 Matticus Finch  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:27:27am

Locutus-

Don't worry, they only mean "Death to America, Death to Israel" in the retorical sense. Just ask any muslim when confronted with this.

/taqiya

15 mychimo  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:27:48am

Good Morning!

16 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:28:11am

Is this news?

17 mbruce  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:28:13am

Liz Ard,they are everything the moonbats want to be.
But daddy might cut off the funds if they start cutting off hands, so they just act as cheerleaders for thir heros.

18 Black George Bush  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:28:22am

Ofcourse all religions are equal. We do the same kind of death cult chanting at the Vatican.

19 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:28:24am

"Tastes great!"

"Less filling!"

"Tastes great!"

"Less filling!"

20 Jheka  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:28:26am

We used to do this kind of cheer at UVa football games:

GOOO

HOOOS

GOOO

HOOOS


This is like a SNL skit ... pep rally in hell. I wonder if Al Qaeda had a recruiting table nearby ...

21 MollyShark  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:28:27am

Lemme see...what was that chant we did Friday night at services. Translates something like "grant us peace." Hey..that's pretty close to Death to Someone, isn't it? No?

22 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:29:05am
Trying to imagine a group of Christians and Jews chanting "Death to Iran! Death to Saudi Arabia! Death to Mecca! Death to Karbala!"

Why that would be LGF!

/snarky moonbat

23 Beagle  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:29:06am

"Head" means imperialism. "Hands" means colonialism. Please send blood money in a cashier's check.

/John Esposito

24 gill  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:30:11am

Such a peaceful bunch...

25 Fidei Defensor  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:30:19am

14 Matticus

Don't worry, they only mean "Death to America, Death to Israel" in the retorical sense. Just ask any muslim when confronted with this.

Of course! We cannot consider the views of this small part (2 million plus) of the great peace-loving religion of Islam as truly representative!

26 rabidsquirrel  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:31:14am

"Death to America"

"Death to Israel"

Is it rerun season in Saudia Arabia already?

27 Maine's Michael  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:31:25am

"We in America understand the benevolence that lies at the heart of Islam."

'Condi'

28 tigger2005  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:31:41am

Now, let's not say anything about JDAMs, bottled sunshine, "target-rich environment," and so on, lest we get accused of being "genocidal right-wing fascists."

This is simply a different form of cultural expression.

29 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:32:01am
30 kathyn  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:32:59am

I went to church yesterday. Didn't hear anything even close to this. Come to think of it, I never have.

And this chanting passes for moral religious doctrine? This comes from their highest religious leaders.

31 Terp Mole  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:33:01am

Birds cry "Death to Mecca!" (and the rest of us, too);

Mecca alert for bird flu threat to hajj pilgrims

Officials in the kingdom have been on high alert after warnings from health experts that the gathering at Mecca, Islam's birthplace, of more than 2m pilgrims from around the Muslim world could provide conditions for a deadly bird flu pandemic.
---
Victims of the disease have included three children from Turkey, who died last week, providing the latest evidence of the disease's progression from Asia to the fringes of Europe.


Buy-Buy-Buy BIOCRYST!
[Up 9% today]

32 Maine's Michael  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:33:24am
The Audience will now split into two groups: One group will settle the score with America, and the other will settle the score with Israel.

Yes, that's settling the score alright.

/fucking magical thinkers . . .

33 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:33:43am

#19 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"Billy, you're fired."

34 Gagdad Bob  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:34:21am

This is not what I had in mind when I was hoping they'd adopt a hands-off policy toward Israel.

35 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:34:44am
The Audience will now split into two groups: One group will settle the score with America, and the other will settle the score with Israel.

Don't take the brown acid, man.

36 mj  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:36:43am

#34

I think the State Department finally got the "even-handed" policy they always wanted toward Israel.

37 kathyn  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:36:57am

I watched a public tv program on the Hajj. It was made a couple of years ago and followed two American muslims who attended. I didn't hear anything like those chants. Do you suppose the Memri TV report is wrong?

sarc/ needed?

38 I_Invented_Al_Gore  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:37:40am

In the past week, I saw some local newspapers w/articles about folks making the trip.

This is now hip w/MSM, to cover Muslim holidays.

So when do they start covering this stuff?

[crickets]

39 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:38:08am
May the hands of the infidels be chopped off.

"Head" means imperialism. "Hands" means colonialism. Please send blood money in a cashier's check.

/John Esposito

Don't forget "Death" is a sacred word to Muslims. It is a cry against injustice. When Muslims scream "Death to ___!" they are actually saying is "We demand a just accounting of our grievances against ___ before an impartial third party!"

40 kathyn  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:38:18am

The Hajj is so peaceful that every year a number of the faithful are trampled to death. Sure makes me want to go.

41 Stringart  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:38:18am

Prince Charles will be chiding them for their intemperate language any time now.

42 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:39:09am

Well, I have a break in my classes at the moment, and this video with the printed commentary which I just finished xeroxing is going to be my current event of the day with my seniors next period.

43 daughter of patriots  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:39:11am

This morning's free paper on the T, the Metro, had on its front page, though below the fold, an artistic, soft-lit shot of Muslim pilgrims holding candles climbing the hill of "forgiveness". I wondered why the "Great Satan" stone-throwing event was not highlighted...but then again, why ask why?

MSM paradigm mindset...does ... not ...compute, sees... no... evil, hears... no... evil, all religions... are... the... same...

/sarc. off

44 Prester John  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:39:33am

Lean to the left,
Lean to the tight,
Cut their head off,
Fight, fight, fight!

45 Prester John  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:40:03am

tight = right

46 Grafted In  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:40:21am

Sounds like the terrorist wing of the Democractic Party is gearing up for the '06 elections.

47 Fidei Defensor  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:40:40am

31 Terp Mole

Victims of the disease have included three children from Turkey, who died last week, providing the latest evidence of the disease's progression from Asia to the fringes of Europe.


Should read:
Victims of the disease have included three children from Turkey, who died last week,after their family cooked and ate a bird which had died of disease on their farm, after which the children played with the chopped-off head of the bird, providing the latest evidence of Darwin's theory as applied to Muslims.

48 deadmanwalking  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:40:48am

#13 doubledip

Trying to imagine a group of Christians and Jews chanting "Death to Iran! Death to Saudi Arabia! Death to Mecca! Death to Karbala!"

Makes one wonder how the media would portray this if it was happening in a mosque here in America. It would probably be seen as a freedom of speech, however, if what you mention were chanted in a church or a synogogue, all hell would break loose...

49 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:40:50am

44 Prester John

ROFL!

50 kayawanee  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:41:27am

Man: The Audience will now split into two groups: One group will settle the score with America, and the other will settle the score with Israel. This group now: Death to America!

Such lovely, peaceful people. Now repeat after me:
-Islam is Peace
-Truth is Lies
-Black is White
-Ignorance is Strength

/Newspeak

PISMA!

51 Beagle  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:42:10am

#39 Dirk Diggler

You are well on your way to tenure, wise one. It only seems primitive and violent if you don't get the nuances in Arabic. Three-word sentences are packed with meaning.

/WWII was a skirmish compared to this 1,300 year plus war.

52 Prester John  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:42:45am

We have bombers,
Yes we do,
We have bombers,
How' bout you?

53 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:43:18am

Really. How would your typical American parents feel if I urged my students to chant, "Death to Ahmadinnerjacket, Death to Iran, Death to Saudi Arabia"?
I would be reprimanded severely, and told to attend sensitivity sessions.

54 The Albatross  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:43:22am

1 Samuel 15:10-23
10 Then the word of the Lord came to Samuel: 11 "I regret that I made Saul king, for he has turned away from following Me and has not carried out My instructions." So Samuel became angry and cried out to the Lord [all] night. 12 Early in the morning Samuel got up to confront Saul, but it was reported to Samuel, "Saul went to Carmel where he set up a monument for himself. Then he turned around and went down to Gilgal." 13 When Samuel came to him, Saul said, "May the Lord bless you. I have carried out the Lord's instructions."

14 Samuel replied, "Then what is this sound of sheep and cattle I hear?"

15 Saul answered, "The troops brought them from the Amalekites and spared the best sheep and cattle in order to offer a sacrifice to the Lord your God, but the rest we destroyed."

16 "Stop!" exclaimed Samuel. "Let me tell you what the Lord said to me last night."

"Tell me," he replied.

17 Samuel continued, "Although you once considered yourself unimportant, have you not become the leader of the tribes of Israel? The Lord anointed you king over Israel 18 and then sent you on a mission and said: 'Go and completely destroy the sinful Amalekites. Fight against them until you have annihilated them.' 19 So why didn't you obey the Lord? Why did you rush on the plunder and do what was evil in the Lord's sight?"

20 "But I did obey the Lord!" Saul answered. "I went on the mission the Lord gave me: I brought back Agag, king of Amalek, and I completely destroyed the Amalekites. 21 The troops took sheep and cattle from the plunder-the best of what was set apart for destruction-to sacrifice to the Lord your God at Gilgal."

22 Then Samuel said:
Does the Lord take pleasure in burnt offerings and sacrifices
as much as in obeying the Lord?
Look: to obey is better than sacrifice,
to pay attention [is better] than the fat of rams. 23 For rebellion is like the sin of divination,and defiance is like wickedness and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the Lord, He has rejected you as king.

55 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:43:44am

No Justice, No Peace!

Sorry, wrong mob rally.

56 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:44:23am

52 Prester John
One more time, roflmao!

"imagining myself with pom-poms"

57 Orbit Rain  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:44:32am

...so peaceful...so divine...

What you do will come back to you threefold.

ooohhh

58 Judith  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:45:05am

Lovely.

(Heavy on the sarcasm there.)

59 Fidei Defensor  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:45:33am

"All together now, altogether now." I hope that as G-d fearing men they wil send the appropriate royalty cheque to the Beatles.

60 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:45:59am

#34 Gagdad Bob 1/9/2006 10:34AM PST

This is not what I had in mind when I was hoping they'd adopt a hands-off policy toward Israel.

Heh ;b

61 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:46:05am

Hajjpodge Lodge, now showing on PBS Kids, right after Bob the Builder.

62 ibrodsky  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:46:52am

To better understand these events, please keep in mind that Islam is a filthy, foul, squalid, vile, atrocious, disgusting, horrid, nauseating, offensive, repellent, repulsive, revolting, sickening, ugly, barnyard, dirty, gross, lewd, obscene, profane, scatologic, scurrilous, vulgar, despiteful, evil, hateful, malevolent, malicious, malignant, mean, poisonous, spiteful, venomous, vicious, wicked, abhorrent, abominable, contemptible, despicable, despisable, detestable, infamous, loathsome, lousy, low, nefarious, obnoxious, odious, repugnant, rotten, shabby, and wretched religion.

63 Fidei Defensor  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:46:53am

All we are saying, is give peace a chance. Oops, no we're not!

64 Prester John  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:47:03am

Achmed, Achmed,
He's our man,
If he can't kill you,
Ali can,

Ali, Ali,
He's our man,
If he can't kill you,
Omar cam.

Omar, Omar,
He's our man,
If he can't kill you,
Osama can.

'Sama, 'Sama,
He's our man,
If he can't kill you,
NOBODY can.

YAYYY!

65 rabidsquirrel  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:47:49am

#61 JWF

Does Bob the Builder drive a Caterpiller? That might be haraam.

66 MoonbatBane  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:47:53am
Crowd: Israel is the enemy of Allah.

Hey, they got something right! Israel is the enemy of Allah aka Satan. At least that's the Allah they worship. (The Allah whom people such as Omar at Iraq the Model worship is Allah i.e. God. JMHO, of course.)

67 alegrias  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:48:16am

Meanwhile the See No Evil denominations in the USA (and various others) celebrated the arrival of the Three Wise Men from the Orient to bring Jesus the Jooo frankinsence & myrrh at yesterday's Epiphany services.

(But it's all the same fundamentalist thing to our liberals friends)

68 kayawanee  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:48:31am

#62 ibrodsky

Ummm...don't hold back or beat around the bush. Tell us how you really feel.

69 Fidei Defensor  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:48:38am

62 ibrodsky. Come on now, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!

70 Orson Buggy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:49:44am

Settle the score? They better get with the program. From what I see they are down by a few thousand deaths, jihadis vs US/Israeli military.

BTW, shouting it don't make it so, it just makes them islamobots.

71 blutonazi98  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:50:49am

#68 #69
jinx double jinx cant talk until i tell you too!

72 ibrodsky  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:51:33am

Well, just between us, I think Islam is the problem.

73 ROPMA  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:51:37am

It is Hajj. When do the annual tramplings begin?

74 tradewind  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:52:21am

Oh, come on, ya'll. It's just the Islamic version of Kumbayah...

75 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:53:20am

It would have been easier had they just sang "I fall to pieces..." It would be easier than going for the body part hacking...

76 feedupdem  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:54:29am

yes people, but you all must put this demonstration into its proper context.

/you can just hear it now

77 tradewind  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:54:33am

#1

Not quite; it's actually theReligion of (rip'emto)Peace (s).

78 ibrodsky  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:55:00am

ibrodsky's law: the humanity of a Muslim is inversely proportional to that Muslim's knowledge of and commitment to Islam.

79 The Dude  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:55:05am
Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel!

Lovely lyrics there, but hard to dance to... so I'll only give it a 50.

80 Buck  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:55:12am

I want to set up rallys like that. This Saturday at my Synagogue I am going to stand up a scream "Death to Iran". I am sure everyone there will join me.

Also I am going to have a "World Without Islam" conference. Modeled after the "World Without Zionism" conference in Iran. Do you think anyone will think it racist?

81 johnCV  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:55:15am

Gimme a 'D'...


Just nuke the fuckers. Now - while they're all hangin' round the black rock.

82 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:55:34am

Those Iranians are ALWAYS the biggest troublemakers at the hajj. Remember when the rioted there, back in the '80s?

83 jcm  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:55:35am

Can you feel the love?

The translator was in error here is a accurate transcript:

Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

/sarc

84 alegrias  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:56:25am

Liberals, go ahead & equate hateful Hajjis chanting with these:

Girls Dance to celebrate 12th day of Christmas
[Link: www.washtimes.com...]

85 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:56:37am

#28 tigger2005

Target-rich environment!

86 CheezNCrackers  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:57:04am

This "peaceful" Buddhist says "Come and get some!"

They seem to want genocide, and genocide is what they will get.

87 generaltso  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:57:08am

Of course they want to cut of my hands -- I use them for a very un-Islamic purpose every so often, if you catch my drift.

88 tradewind  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:57:30am

#75,

Followed by Cuts Like A Knife...

89 ibrodsky  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:57:35am

#80 Buck

...I am going to have a "World Without Islam" conference.

Sign me up.

90 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:57:41am

Hajj-Jew

/gesundtheit

91 Orson Buggy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 8:58:00am

Remember that this is MAINSTREAM islam that does the Haj. These are not extremists. these are the leaders of islam that are pushing this ideology of death, and CAIR will kiss my ass before they can convince me otherwise.

I can envision Ibrahim Hooper doing that chant with his fake smarmy smile.

92 ProUSA  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:00:02am

I couldn't view the video. So, when they split into two groups to "settle the score with America and Israel", how did that chanting turn out for them? Are they done now? All settled?

Idiots.

93 tradewind  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:00:27am

#85,

Are they in Mecca or Medina?

Could make it a twofer...

94 daughter of patriots  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:00:29am

This is why I don't want any more mosques built in, or near, Western Civilization. And the ones that are here, need surveillance!

Would love to see CAIR tell us this group has "hijacked" their faith. Mecca is the head, as the Vatican is to the Catholics.

95 brenda  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:00:52am

Congress will now end Muslim immigration, right?

Right?

96 ibrodsky  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:02:17am

The four pillars of Islam:

Violence
Intimidation
Lust for 72 raisins
Evil

A.k.a., V-I-L-E

97 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:02:39am

"Splitting into two groups"!

LOL.

Like every lefty demo I've ever been to!

98 tradewind  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:03:00am

#94

Been to Boston lately?

Worse than the Big Dig.

99 alegrias  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:03:05am

I'd like to think any newly-liberated Iraqi hajjis think "differently" this year. Now COME ON and act like it.

100 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:03:18am
yes people, but you all must put this demonstration into its proper context.

Exactly. This rally is not an exhibition of blood curdling savagery. It is a demand (a cry for help if you will) for universal health care, greater employment opportunities, and equal rights for women, homosexuals, and transgendered Muslims.

101 Orson Buggy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:03:19am

From the previous Mecca thread today:

“Islam’s enemies want to empty our religion from its contents and its meaning. But the soldiers of God will be victorious,” said al-Sheik, the Saudi kingdom’s top religious authority."

He got that right. Unfortunately for them Allah ain't God!

102 Buck  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:03:54am

You guys have it all wrong, "Death to America" and Death to "Israel" are just the names of the soccer teams. They are starting a game of soccer, and cheering their teams...

103 HillbillEE  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:04:01am

#94

Yeah that's like claiming somebody hijacked hijacking or stole stealing.

104 keepandbear  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:04:20am

Can we get a really big sound system and Play "Rock the Casbah" for these pilgrims?

/you know so they don't get bored

105 bouzouki  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:04:33am

#18 Black George Bush

We do the same kind of death cult chanting at the Vatican.

Ixnay on the antingchay.

106 Texas Heathen  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:04:43am

48 deadmanwalking

Makes one wonder how the media would portray this if it was happening in a mosque here in America.

More than likely it already is happening. There are plenty of radical mosques in the US.

107 hyphen  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:05:47am

If I had some Ginsu knives to sell them, I'd be a rich man.

108 alegrias  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:06:23am

Where is Sean Penn when you need him to report this shocking Iranian "news"?

109 William  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:06:37am

St Pancake, #42 wrote:

Well, I have a break in my classes at the moment, and this video with the printed commentary which I just finished xeroxing is going to be my current event of the day with my seniors next period.


Would love to hear the feedback you receive.
 

110 Buck  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:07:32am

I wonder what the Iraqi pilgrims are doing?

111 Proud Kaffir  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:08:43am

What really got to me were the cheerleaders waiving their pom-poms while completely covered in black burqas.

/sarc

112 tradewind  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:09:13am

#106,

Yep. And I hope the feds have regular walk-throughs with geiger counters, and sturdy wiretaps on their telephone systems.

And video: we need hidden cameras in the mosques that wait for the return of the Hidden Imam.

113 Apu Pibat  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:09:48am

Let's let them have nukes. Iran will use them peacefully. Besides, Amerika has nuks, so who are to tell Iran they can't have nukes?

/clueless dumb L3

114 HillbillEE  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:09:53am

Where are all the moderate muslims?
are they kinda like Bigfoot?

lotsa ledgends, some faked photographs and films but no one has actually seen one?

115 Proud Kaffir  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:10:02am

Come on, people. It's not like they did something really offensive and vile, like monitoring for radiation outside of churchs without a warrant.

116 zombie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:11:41am
#59 Fidei Defensor
"All together now, altogether now." I hope that as G-d fearing men they wil send the appropriate royalty cheque to the Beatles.

What would John Lennon think? He wrote songs about peace and love, and now those who fancy themselves Lennon's followers are defending people who use Lennon's line "All together now" to chant for death and destruction.

Hey, Lennonists: You want peace? You want love? Then stop defending and joining forces with haters who call for your death.

117 Grafted In  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:12:37am

I couldn't help but see the similarities.

UN Meditation Room

Future Location of the Sea of Glass

Should I be suspicious?

Probably not.

118 doubledip  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:12:39am

You'd think a rally on behalf of their suffering brethren in NW Pakistan, Banda Aceh, and Bam at the "testing hands of Allah" should come up somewhere instead, but nah...priorities, man.

119 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:13:12am
120 Texas Heathen  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:13:29am

115 proud

Or listening in on private phone conversations with Osama's buddies.

121 The Dude  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:14:23am

#102,

Dang, I knew I was missing something. It's all clear to me now.

122 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:14:33am

zombie,

But if you want money for people with minds that hate

All I can tell you is buddy you'll have to wait.

--Lennon

123 morganfrost  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:15:17am

That looks like one heck of a missed opportunity for a daisy cutter.

124 ibrodsky  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:15:25am

I'm a Muslim and I'm OK,
I like to beat my wives all day,
I'm a Muslim and I'm OK,
I dream of 72 virgins

I'm a Muslim and I'm OK,
I like to behead infidels all day,
I'm a Muslim and I'm OK,
I like to dance at car swarms

I'm a Muslim and I'm OK,
I'd like to kill 20 Jews in one day,
I'm a Muslim and I'm OK,
I have sex with farm animals

I'm a Muslim and I'm OK,
I shoot my AK-47 in the air all day,
I'm a Muslim and I'm OK,
I slit my sister's throat

125 hyphen  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:16:46am

I'm quite amazed that so many followers of Islam haven't gotten a clue, yet. Amidst all the chantings for America's and Israel's destruction, and the chopping off of hands, you'd think some Muslims will go, "Hey, wait a minute. I thought Islam is the religion of peace."

/Better chance of hitting the lottery

126 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:17:28am

These comments were obviously made by the very few "extremists" who have "hijacked" Islam.

/CAIR

127 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:19:48am

#126 WriterMom

Hee, heee, heee!

128 Stefania  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:22:25am

iranian? They're mainly imported thugs from Pakistan, Palestinian territories, Lebanon, Somalia, etc.

The regime cannot find Iranians willing to enter in a mosque

129 SpiritOf1683  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:22:48am

#62 ibrodsky.

You left a few words out like bloodthirsty, depraved, barbaric, double-dealing, lying, bloodlusting, brutal, misogynistic, vicious, inhuman, savage, uncivilized, base, immoral, primitive, repressive, cruel, murderous and sadistic.

130 Stefania  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:23:24am

Exclusive! The Video of Fabrizio Quattrocchi minutes before being executed by the Islamo-fascist terrorists in Iraq. You can hear him, in Italian, saying "Vi faccio vedere come muore un italiano. Mi posso levare questo.." ( I am gonna show you how an Italian dies . May I take out this kefyiah?) See the video here

131 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:24:32am
132 SpiritOf1683  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:25:37am

Fiorgive me ibrodsky, you said vicious. But we are pretty clear about what describes Islam.

133 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:27:17am

I don't know why they hate the US so much. Abbas is now bragging about the assurances given by the US for Palestinians to vote in "East" Jerusalem.

Abbas blabs about USA giving assurances that Palestinians can vote in "East" Jerusalem.

Feh!

134 father_of_10  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:28:20am

OK, I think I get it. The liberals in America think that the Neocons are the real enemies of America, that George Bush is a terrorist, etc. . . Yet in reality, Bush is pretty darn liberal in lots of things and the Neocons are not very far off from most liberals in many major areas. Yet American liberals are vehemently hateful of American conservatives. Islamaic terrorists and Islam in general on the other hand, is so incredibly far removed from mainstream American liberalism that it is comical. Islam denigrates minorities and women, are against most freedoms, beleive in the death penalty, have no regard for free speech. Support honor killings, clitorectomies, no education for women, total subjegation of women, etc. . . And who do America's liberals seem to idolize?

Man is something wrong with this picture or what!?!?!?!

135 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:28:28am

Aaah, reminds me of my days as a student at the football games of the 2005 National Championship Texas Longhorns.

For the cheer, Texas Fight, one half of the stadium would cheer TEXAS, and the other side would respond FIGHT!.


If only Iranians had NCAA football, with an Iranian Rose Bowl, with Hot Iranian USC cheerleaders, and even hotter Iranian UT cheerleaders wearing chaps that make the girls rear end look so good.


Visual comparison of Texas and USC cheerleaders.

136 Dave the.....  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:30:08am

It's really no different from my church.

Pastor:

"I have some announcements. The mens choir practice is cancelled this week. Don't forget the charcoal chicken feed next Sunday after the 11:00 service. Proceeds go to the roof fund. Oh, and death to the Catholics. Death to the Methodists".

137 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:30:17am

Of course, back when I was at UT, while the team did beat the Sooners 4 years straight, the guys had a bad habit of losing to teams like TCU, Baylor and Rice. Well, as my boss, also a UT grad likes to say, John Mackovich lost to Rice.

Double-OT: How did Mackovic ever get a job coaching after the debacle at UT?

138 Caliphornian  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:30:31am

Can I do my chant?


"Armalite akbar"?

C

139 ibrodsky  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:30:35am

Sung to the Flintstones theme...

Muslims. Meet the Muslims.
They're the modern stone age family.
From the town of Mecca,
They're a page right out of revisionist history.

Let's ride with the family down the street.
Through the courtesy of the jihad army's feet.

When you're with the Muslims
you'll have an allah-akbar time.
An allah-akbar time.
You'll have a blood-soaked time.

140 moonsbreath  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:30:38am

I think it's time for the annual "Hajj Stampede" to begin already.

141 ibrodsky  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:31:23am

#129 SpiritOf1683

Thanks I'll update the list.

142 SpiritOf1683  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:33:55am

Poor George must be frustrated. Whilst the evil crackpots chant "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" at the Hajj, he's stuck in the Big Brother house.

143 moonsbreath  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:34:10am
The American and British governments, which permit the torture of suspects, and the spilling of their blood in the streets, and the tapping of citizens' phone calls without a court order, do not have the right to claim they are defending civil rights.

I didn't know Teddy was there speaking?

144 Prester John  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:35:06am

Oh, and for all you rich capitalist pigs (I repeat myself) out there, Dow Jones over 11,000 for the first time since June 2001.

145 ajaxlikid  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:35:48am
Crowd: Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel!

Is that like the Candyman stuff, where you have to repeat it a bunch of times before it actually works?

146 Chairman Mow  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:35:52am

ROPMA

Is it just me or does it seem like their hearts just weren’t into this one? I wonder if they were just waiting for a waiting for the free gift at the end of the seminar.


“OK crowd. Repeat after me”

“Oh Wha”

“Tah Deek”

“Iyam”

147 hyphen  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:38:14am

#131 Taxfreekiller

The educated Muslims in the West, who now has more freedom than they've ever known in their entire lives, still tout islam as a peaceful religion. Their offsprings, American borned, still vigorously defend this death cult. So it's not just the inmates in muslim countries that fail to think for themselves regardless of the reasons; it's also the educated muslims as well.

I remember reading a testimony by a former muslim girl in a muslim country. I don't remember the exact name of the story, but I found it at Faith Freedom. The story speaks of a muslim girl who went to an old muslim cleric and asked the questions that had been troubling her about islam. The old man read her questions and told her he knew the truth all along, but he was old and change would not matter. He strongly advised her to run away while she still can.

Very sobering thought.

148 surfer dude  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:38:27am

#139 ibrodsky

Yaba daba dooo!

149 moonsbreath  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:39:00am

They forgot to say "Simon says..."

150 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:39:43am
151 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:40:33am

2, 4, 6, 8
Who do we decapitate?
Israelis! Americans!
Yeeeaaayyy, Iran!

152 MoonbatBane  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:41:38am

#81 johnCV 1/9/2006 10:55AM PST

Just nuke the fuckers. Now - while they're all hangin' round the black rock.

This is the real threat that Islam faces. It makes their self-inflicted pain and troubles pale by comparison.

Somehow I doubt that johnCV was for nuking anyone before 9/11. His view, though, really isn't that uncommon anymore, and if there is another major terrorist attack in the US such as a dirty nuke or the like, it will become a common view.

The reality is that the vast majority of terrorism around the world is committed by Muslims. They are involved in almost every armed conflict in the world, against Jews, Christians, atheists, and even other Muslims. The more this continues, the more the "nuke 'em" view will prevail. At some point, it will become a majority view. At that time, we might be looking at pogroms and wholesale use of WMDs against Muslims and Muslim nations. It will be an absolute slaughter.

I'm not advocating this. In fact, I oppose use of nukes and other WMDs in any case except for retalitaion for WMDs. (Exception: those nuke bunker busters. But that's a whole different thing.) I'm just saying that it is a reality that we face.

Scary times. Too bad most Muslims in the ME (and many elsewhere) are so mislead and deluded that they have no idea this is coming. If they did, some of them might start taking real action to prevent it, namely reconciling some form of Islam with the modern world. That might take MAJOR revision and infighting within Islam, but the only other option will be far worse for them -- and for us for that matter.

153 BeckoningChasm  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:41:40am

Oh, but they're all getting ready to overthrow the mullahs. It's going to happen any day now.

154 kmclay  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:41:42am

The things you see when you don't have a Daisy Cutter handy.

155 bweep  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:41:59am

Right it's 7 lap around the black stone...I'll have 5 dollars on the skinny one in the sheet with the shaved head.

157 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:42:39am

It's great being Catholic. You can drink, dance, gamble, smoke, eat pork products, & if you CHOOSE to make a pilgrimage, it's to beautiful Rome & not to get trampled by some black rock in the friggin' desert.

158 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:45:41am

Lets sing along with Ed...


Texas Fight
Texas Fight, Texas Fight,
And it's goodbye to A&M.
Texas Fight, Texas Fight,
And we'll put over one more win.
Texas Fight, Texas Fight,
For it's Texas that we love best.
Give ‘em hell, Give ‘em hell, Go Horns Go!
And it's good-bye to all the rest!

Yea Orange! Yea White!
Yea Longhorns! Fight! Fight! Fight!
Texas Fight! Texas Fight,
Yea Texas Fight!
Texas Fight! Texas Fight,
Yea Texas Fight!

159 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:45:46am

#140 moonsbreath

I think it's time for the annual "Hajj Stampede" to begin already.

Isn't that a rodeo?

Nope. Scratch that. I'm thinking of the Calgary Stampede.

160 doubledip  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:45:59am

#82 Ward Cleaver

Back in the 80's, Iran was in an 8-year war with Saddam and Iraq. Wonder if the Meccan chants back then were "Death to Iraq"? If so, they seem to have gotten their "wish" these past few years, thanks ironically to the "Great Satan" they so despise.

161 ScrewTapeSaysHi  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:46:45am

I watched the clip, and much to my surprise most of the crowd sported a look of complete disinterest regarding the Imam's serman. Lots of heads looking to and fro.

162 rabidsquirrel  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:46:46am

#157

Amen to that! I'm making my pilgrimmage this coming spring.

163 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:47:17am

Watching "24" reruns on A&E.

Sec'y of defense says to his moonbat son, "Spare me your sixth-grade Michael Moore logic."

LOL.

164 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:48:02am

157- Pilgrimages aren't limited to Rome. Israel is popular too, and then places like Lourdes and Fatima are also popular.

165 vero  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:48:37am

sorry

I cannot make an informed decision until Barbara Streisand and all 8 of the little voices in her head tell me what to do.

/missed anti-moonbat shot this morning

166 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:49:17am

#160 doubledip

Yep, it was during the Iran-Iraq War.

167 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:50:57am

OT again, but still no Alito thread ?

168 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:51:26am

Ed, I can vouch for Israel as a great pilgrimage site. Even made it to Bethlehem last year.

Israel would be a desert, but the Israelis know about things like drip irrigation.

Oh, and the fresh food. Fruit to write home about.

169 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:51:28am

#164 Ed...

Some friends recently sent us a half-liter bottle of water from Lourdes.

The brand name on the bottle's label? Vitalis.

170 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:51:46am

#140 moonsbreath

LOL!

You'd think they would learn about 'personal space' by now?

171 keepandbear  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:55:37am

168 Cato the Elder

Oh, and the fresh food. Fruit to write home about.

Where! Where! OH! Whew! thought that one had my name on it.

/Monty Python

172 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:56:08am

#169

Just to clarify, Vitalis was the brand name of the water that had origianlly been on the bottle, before it was filled with the water from Lourdes.

173 TMF  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:56:16am

Funny, they shout "Death to America" and what happens?

One of their military leaders is killed like a filthy dog in a "plane crash". BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

GUESS ALLAH DOESNT LOVE YOU ANYMORE COCKSUCKERS

174 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:56:41am
175 tradewind  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:56:48am

#156

For your mockery, Infidel:

The wrath of Allah be upon you,
Al the Short-Lived Day

...

176 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:59:10am

My 2 cents ...

That is some lame crowd participation. I was reminded of the commercial where the one hit woinder band "Danger Kitty" plays the barmitzmah.

All the guys speaking must be aspiring Muftis - get on television for the clerics back home to see, and maybe get a promotion at the mosque.

At the end, you get the lamo-di-lamo mufti going on about the 'spying on American citizens without a court order.' That guy must have stayed out late the night before, woke up and said "Oh blessed sh*t! I have a speech in an hour, logged on to Michael Moore dot com and ran something through the "English to Frasi" translator on Google.com

Lame.

177 cathymv  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:59:15am

did anyone see Murtha, Moran, Kennedy, Pilosi, Dean, Kerry in the audience? I am sure that they were there...


see ya
cathy : )

178 MoonbatBane  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:59:26am

#152 Forgot to include: Their constant calls of "Death to (anyone not their brand of Muslim)" is just exacerbating and accelerating the situation. What morons.

179 tradewind  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:59:28am

# 167,

(Not while the voice of the Turban is heard on the tube)

180 iowahawk  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:59:38am

Crowd: Israel is the enemy of Allah.

Man: May the hands of the infidels be chopped off.

Crowd: May the hands of the infidels be chopped off.

Man: And their wee-wees too.

Crowd: Wee-wee-wee all the way home.

Man: All the way home from the land of the believers. Papa papa papa papa ooo mau mau.

Crowd: Papa oo mau mau.

Man: Boy, it was hot today.

Crowd: How hot was it?

Man: It was so hot the infidels were asking for the martyrs to send them to Hell earlier.

Crowd: Hi-yo!

Man: Now I want the audience to split into into two groups: Wahabbis on the left, Shia on the right. Now wave your scimitars in the air like you just don't care. When I say death, you Wahabbis say America! Ready yo, death...

Crowd: to America!

Man: Now all y'all Shias in tha house say Israel. Now death...

Crowd: to Israel!

Man: All together now: Death to America! Death to Israel!

Crowd: Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel!

Wahabbis: We've got martyrs yes we do, we've got martyrs, how about you?

Shiah: Pita pita falafel pie! You ain't got no alibi! You ugly! yeah yeah you ugly!

Man: Okay now everybody without chopped off hands do the hand jive.

Crowd: duhnt da duhnt da duhnt DUHNT DUHNT.

Man: Lemme tell you 'bout Moshe the Moocher, an Israeli son of a chimp and a poocher. He bakes baby blood into his bread, let's nuke the Jews until they're all dead. HYMIE HYMIE HI!

Crowd: Hymie hymie hymie hi!

Man: HEEBIE HEEBIE GO!

Crowd: HEEBIE HEEBIE GO!

Man: Phrlat dat dootle frrringy dangle dootle doot!

Crowd: Phrlat dat dootle frt.. drhtth... murmur...

Man: Who Dat? Who Dat? Who dat gonna beat dem Martyrs?

Crowd: Ain't nobody gonna beat dem Martyrs!

Man: yeahhh, them Martyrs are one bad mutha...

Crowd: shut yo mouth!

Man: I'm just talkin' 'bout Allah's Martyrs!

repeat as necessary

181 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:59:43am

#136 Dave the...


It's really no different from my church.

Very much like my shul too.

"Kiddush in the social hall immediately following this service. Afternoon service will be at 4:12 p.m. in the small chapel. Don't forget to place your orders for Super Bowl sandwich boxes by next Friday.

Urr'body in the house gimme a holla: Death to the Palis! Death to Iran!"

182 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:00:00am

TMF:

Boo-yah!

183 mccleansan  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:00:02am

This is why every American should own a gun.

184 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:01:16am
185 tradewind  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:01:41am

# 180

Perfect. All it needs is

Can I get a whoop-whoop?
186 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:02:32am

# 179 tradewind

Well, nothing like having your priorities shoved up your you-know-what, eh ?

187 tradewind  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:03:35am

Alito has the greatest expression on his face: Caption should read Ramble On, Maroons.. I got all day...

188 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:04:51am

Oh, Iowahawks in the house. I need painkillers to laugh like that.

Stop...

Please... I'll convert already...

189 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:05:53am
190 tradewind  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:06:19am

#186,,

I'm just sayin that Durbin sounded like he loved hearing himself talk so much, that we should, too.

He's finished now, we can all resume our normal activities...:)

191 m  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:06:56am
Papa oo mau mau

Mountain Dew sucks through your nose!

192 tradewind  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:08:01am

#188,

The Rottie hisself?

193 Rootless Cosmo  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:08:03am

We've been hearing this crap since 1979. My bet is that we won't be hearing it much longer.

Death to Iran, Syria, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan - the sooner, the better.

194 jcm  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:08:21am

How 'bout we play nice. Just a warning to start with.

Overfly Mecca and Medina with this this puppy loaded with some nice liquid PIG FAT, ya' know a nice neighborly warning to shape up or the next one will be a little less friendly.

195 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:08:39am
196 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:09:17am
197 Beagle  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:10:43am

#135 Ed

Nothing beats the USC sweaters of vice (soon to be burqas of boredom).

198 DeeDee  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:12:08am

OH! IowaHawk---I love you because, well, you're an IOWA HAWK! That #180 was precious! Thank you! ...stomach...hurting..

199 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:12:57am
200 Stringart  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:13:50am

#159 Ward Cleaver

Nope. Scratch that. I'm thinking of the Calgary Stampede.

If you're looking for a city-wide 10 day drunk party, Calgary and the Stampede have to be at the top of list.

201 Killer Tomato  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:14:11am

#199 tfk

Number one with a bullet

202 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:14:34am

Kudos to Iowahawk, making dem 'slums sound like the fools they be!

203 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:15:02am

The mullahs are complaining about "unauthorized wiredtapping"?

Jeepers, what happened to the evil Zionists? They taking a vacation?

204 BobTheBuilder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:15:43am

#61 JammieWearingFool

Wow! when did I get rescheduled?!

205 Stringart  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:20:36am

#180 iowahawk

I'm laughing so hard, I'm crying.

206 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:21:00am

Will the mullahs have a say in the Alito hearings? Or will Biden, Feinstein et al. be enough?

207 Beagle  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:21:04am

Department of Circular Reasoning and Tautologies, presents...

Black holes are drains in space that have gravitational pull so strong that nothing, not even light, can escape. Huge ones are believed to lurk at the centers of many galaxies including the Milky Way, which contains the sun.

"It would take 200,000 years for gas to travel the last leg of its one-way journey," Kambiz Fathi of Rochester Institute of Technology told reporters at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society.

No one has ever seen a black hole, but astronomers study the way matter and energy behave around them.


AP sucks so hard it blows.

208 amyc  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:21:25am

34, 36 LOL

209 Beagle  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:21:38am

Or Reuters. Either way.

210 bouzouki  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:23:05am
"It would take 200,000 years for gas to travel the last leg of its one-way journey,"

How long would a two-way journey last?

/run

211 restitutor orbis  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:23:32am

I'm starting to think the hotel collapse in Mecca last week actually wasn't a tragedy after all

212 beej  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:24:03am

#180 Iowahawk

Sides are splitting!

Wonderful..get a copyright...

213 CheezNCrackers  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:24:21am

In my not-so-humble-opinion these nutcases think that Iraq is indicative of the amount of casualties that a war with the U.S. would actually have.

They have no idea that they wouldnt get within 3 miles of a soldier in an all-out war.

Iraq is "police action", it is NOT all-out, to-the-death, genocidal, no quarter given, no prisoners taken WAR.

"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure..."

214 CheezNCrackers  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:26:17am
#207 Beagle 1/9/2006 12:21PM PST

Sorry Beagle, but that actually makes perfect sense to me. Light (actually ALL electromagnetic radiation) is sucked up, but the effects are quite visible.

215 Austin Conservative  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:26:17am
Trying to imagine a group of Christians and Jews chanting "Death to Iran! Death to Saudi Arabia! Death to Mecca! Death to Karbala!"

OK,

How's this.

DEATH TO IRAN! DEATH TO SAUDI ARABIA! DEATH TO MECCA! DEATH TO KARBALA! BURN THE KORAN! PISS ON MOHAMMAD! EAT MORE PORK! SAVE WITH PIGGY BANKS!

Beared asshats on rugs chanting bullshit threats from a 7th century third world country. Ooooh, me and Mr. Ruger are petrified.

216 pajamazon  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:26:31am

If a nuke fell on Mecca would it make a sound?

217 Austin Conservative  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:26:55am

Oops. That's Bearded Asshats

218 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:28:43am

OT: Mamma Moonbat and Sean Penn get together to Bash Bush.

Apparently, it's also Bush's fault that he can't stop smoking!

219 godfrey  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:28:51am

/wiping tears from my eyes

Phrlat dat dootle frt.. drhtth... murmur...

Rotating title?

220 CheezNCrackers  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:29:12am
Trying to imagine a group of Christians and Jews chanting "Death to Iran! Death to Saudi Arabia! Death to Mecca! Death to Karbala!"

Why leave us Buddhists out huh, you Judeo-Christian centric poo-poo head?


DEATH TO IRAN! DEATH TO ISLAM!

Islam = "hungry ghosts", always looking to death instead of enjoying (this) life.

221 Canadastani  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:29:33am

Well, at least that clears it up. They don't really dislike America, they only hate us because Bush is a terrorist. If ONLY Kerry were President, these peaceful practitioners of the RoP would not be forced to hate us.

222 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:30:20am

Is it the translation, or do these people sound more like morons than usual?

We, the pilgrims who have come to the house of God, condemn the plots and the measures taken by the international Zionism

[as opposed to the national Zionism]

– the deceitful Satan who spreads heresy, polytheism, and idolatry, enslaving human beings with a new method.

[the old methods weren't working anymore]

It abuses the divine religion of Moses. It takes Satanic measures, and arouses the world's hatred towards this divine religion, and its true followers.

[we can arouse hatred all by ourselves, thank you very much]

We denounce these criminal acts. We call upon the world of Islam and the free peoples

[note the distinction]

to take significant measures to thwart the Satanic policy of this camp.

What kind of crack do you need to be smoking to "convert" to this horsehockey?

223 deanyc  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:30:59am

Give them liberty or give them death. Either way, I don't give a damn.

224 Pennies for Patriots  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:33:59am

Re: #62 ibrodsky

You mispelled the last word...

It is spelled "cult", not "religion"

225 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:39:04am

"Durka durka durka ... moof burka muff boom bah!"

Freedom costs a buck-oh-five. F*ck yeah!

226 beej  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:39:26am

OT

What is happening at the hearings...just a little Reader's Digest version...

Somebody here is watching them, right? Please share...

227 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:39:40am
228 ovidius  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:41:49am

# 53 St. Pancake

"Ahmadinnerjacket": Great!
That's one of the things I love about the Lizards: verbal inventity.

229 Earl  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:42:45am

#62 ibrodsky

Lotsa ajectives, but wrong noun.

You want, "belief system"

230 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:43:13am

Yo, young Ovidius is here! How's it going, amicus?

231 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:43:59am

BobTheBuilder,

#61 JammieWearingFool

Wow! when did I get rescheduled?!

I didn't realize you posted here.

Hey, JWF Jr. loves you. Not that he'll understand what I'm saying, but I'll let him know we crossed paths.

232 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:47:26am

# 230 Karo the Syrup

Don't go all latin on us, now.

233 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:48:43am

"Karo the Syrup"

LOL!

234 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:49:31am

#221 canadastani

You new around these parts? What part of Canada are you from?

I ask because we have a secret little lizard society in Toronto...

235 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:51:45am

Ed 135,

If only Iranians had NCAA football, with an Iranian Rose Bowl, with Hot Iranian USC cheerleaders, and even hotter Iranian UT cheerleaders wearing chaps that make the girls rear end look so good.

The everlasting image I will carry from the Rose Bowl was the Texas cheerleaders in those chaps.

Hubba hubba.

236 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:53:31am

# 233 Cato the Elder

Sorry - couldn't resist.

237 Lively  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:54:09am

You know, I could put that video link up on my favorite Christian website I like to argue at...and they would still deny it exists. It drives me nuts when I try to tell my own religion what's going on...and no one hears. They're not LLL's either...they just like to think the best of everyone. :(

238 Brees  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:55:21am

And all these Libs that claim to fight for tolerance and diversity...they'll be the first to have their hands chopped off. Last time I knew...this enemy of ours doesn't appear to be very tolerant

239 CheezNCrackers  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 10:58:57am
233 Cato the Elder 1/9/2006 12:48PM PST

Tempting fate: OCICATS

240 kmclay  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:00:08am

Holy Hajj! Talk about your freudian slip!

Read this from the end of the Memri article:

The governments that have blackened the face of modern history with their production and use of nuclear and chemical weapons to not have the right to impose their patronage on the issue of preventing the spread of weapons of mass... on the issue of preventing the spread of nuclear technology.

Oops - Almost called it like it is there, didn't you, Achmed?

Weapons of mass...I mean on the issue of preventing the spread of nuclear technology.

Aloha Snackbar, sucker.

241 gus3  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:00:41am

OT, breaking:

MSM Self-Censored on Journalist's Kidnapping

Numerous foreign news outlets and several leading wire services disclosed the incident--and in a few cases, the reporter's name. Such stories did not appear in The New York Times, The Washington Post, Los Angeles Times and other U.S. papers and their Web sites.

Hypocrites.

242 bouzouki  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:01:49am

"Nobody expects the OCICATS!"

243 hyphen  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:02:19am

#237 Lively

What christian board is that? Let me give it a go. =)

244 Prester John  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:03:28am

#228

Ahma-damma-ding-dong?

Let's hit it.

245 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:03:47am

Well, perhaps a bit early, but since there's still NO ALITO THREAD (!), I think I'll wander downstairs and fix some din-dins for The Goddess of Periodicals.

246 MTNester  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:03:59am

Mike C.

Perhaps we'll get the Alito thread tomorrow, since today was made up mostly of speechifying and not much real substance?

247 Dave the.....  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:06:02am
but since there's still NO ALITO THREAD (!),

Go to NRO-Bench Memo's. The Dems are like little kids. How do these dumbasses get in power?

248 Live4Truth  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:06:28am

Every time I've seen one of these Iranian "Death to America and Israel" rallies, it always looks the same: the pep rally leaders fuminating the same old lines, and the people in the audience looking bored silly, but forcing themselves to lift a limp arm to join in the battle cry. I.e., the audience does not at all look like they're in to it. And it's a pretty small audience at that.

249 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:09:36am

A&E is having a back-to-back "24" festival. Anyone know when the new season starts?

Anyway, you can get your anti-terrorist yah-yahs watching that today. Good fun.

250 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:10:56am

No, not the ocicats. I'll never get my dog back to sleep...

251 dmjboose  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:11:46am

42

I'm glad that someone is helping our young see how evil "moderate" islam is. I know that I never heard anything about this when I took world history. All i heard about was how the evil westerners forced the culturally rich palistinians out of their homeland over, and over, and over...

252 Beagle  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:12:16am

#214 CheezNCrackers

Sorry Beagle, but that actually makes perfect sense to me. Light (actually ALL electromagnetic radiation) is sucked up, but the effects are quite visible.


Nobody has ever seen a black hole implies someone could, despite the earlier observation in the article.

253 Stringart  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:12:17am

Cato the Elder

24 starts next Sunday, January 15.

254 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:12:43am

Meanwhile, speeding the advance of all humanity, Saudi Arabia has introduced the wonders of modern indoor plumbing to to the Hajj!

"MINA, 9 January 2006 — From the inside, it looks like a modern, luxury apartment in Manhattan, complete with Swedish furniture and indoor plumbing. From the outside, it is just another tent in a Haj camp in the middle of the holy site of Mina, Saudi Arabia.

Five-star service is what the pilgrim who has rented this ornamental tent is going to receive when he and his entourage arrive at the Adwaia Al-Iman pilgrims’ camp."

[Link: www.arabnews.com...]

while you are there you can see their latest blood libel cartoon...

255 Lively  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:13:30am

#243 hyphen: It's called CMCentral.com...my screen name is the same. Start a topic under "Fellowship"...but you will probably get banned unless you say, "Isn't everyone in the world nice. We just need to show God's love."

256 PDM  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:13:51am
Crowd: May the hands of the infidels be chopped off.

Man: May the hands of the infidels be chopped off.

Crowd: May the hands of the infidels be chopped off.

That's what one calls an Islamic spiritual experience. It's like hate on autopilot.

257 zonekeeper  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:16:27am

Death to Islam.

258 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:17:18am

Thanks, Stringart. One of the only shows I bother watching "live" anymore.

259 MTNester  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:19:43am

The fifth season of '24,' starts with a two-night, four-hour premiere event on January 15 and 16.

260 Ojoe  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:29:12am

Since we are under a moral obligation to defend ourselves, the only proper response to these chanting bastards and bitches, is to kill them first.

It is ugly, but that's the true response.

261 zenbone  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:31:15am

FLAMING CARROT!

262 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:33:01am

Murtha the Mope is maundering away on C-SPAN2 right now.

Undermining, tearing down. Right now the war is too expensive.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Now Moran the Maroon is chiming in.

It's our fault there's an insurgency.

Marg bar Amrika!

263 deepdiver  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:35:24am

Just imagine if this were to happen in the vatican.

The Catholic church would be absolutely slaughtered by the media - it would be the event of the century for them.

But of course, since it's the religion of peace we nary hear a peep out of our fearless purveyors of the truth.

Bah, humbug...

264 gus3  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:36:01am

#237 Lively:

Ask them if they think martyrdom is a good thing, if God enjoys the Church's suffering.

Ask them why over half of the Christian martyrs of the past 20 centuries died between 1900 and 1999, at the hands of Communists and Muslims.

Ask them if they want that here.

265 Gretchen  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:37:28am

Was Sean Penn on hand to helpfully explain that such over the top rhetoric was unhelpful?

266 rayra[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:38:31am
267 ferris  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:42:20am

It's nothing but a cult of death.

I think Islam is a great gift for sociologists. What other goup is the same as they were over 1,300 years ago?

Nothing has changed except the weapons and their ability to deliver them.

268 easy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:42:39am

#215 & 217 Austin Conservative

Beared asshats on rugs

Thanks, for the correction. Had a vision of row after row and column after column of butt cracks on rugs. Kind of like a plumbers convention.
Disturbing.

269 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:46:15am

#268 easy

At least it isn't an image of breaded asshats.

Some things are just too horrifying.

270 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:46:42am

Mind you there are, of course, barbequed asshats all the time...

271 jehu  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:46:56am

Hate America, Hate Israel, Hate Bush...no I'm not talking about Islam, I was thinking of the modern Dem party, Hollywood and the NYT. At least Islam has a rigid and recognizable moral code, and are completely honest about what they are about.

272 rayra[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:48:41am
273 Spiritualized  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:48:50am

George Galloway on UK Big Brother:

"I'm the most famous here, there's 1.5 billion Muslims, they all know who I am."

Slight paraphrase but that's pretty much what he said.

274 prepka9  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:49:12am

This is Islam no moderates need apply:

When even the pope has to whisper
By Spengler

Islam is the unexploded bomb of global politics. US foreign policy - the only foreign policy there is, for the United States is the only superpower - proceeds from the hope that a modern and democratic Islam will emerge from the ruins of Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Through democratic institutions, Washington believes, the long-marginalized Shi'ites will adapt to religious pluralism. Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani's Islam, fixed in amber since the High

Middle Ages, will metamorphose into something like American mainline Protestantism.
Alas, the available facts suggest that the opposite result will ensue: more freedom equals more fundamentalism. Not the secular Shi'ite parties but the pro-Iranian religious parties dominate the Iraqi polls. In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood quadrupled its vote despite heavy-handed measures to intimidate its supporters; Hamas threatens to displace Fatah in the Palestinian elections this month; Hezbollah has become the strongest electoral as well as military force in Lebanon; and, most important of all, Mahmud Ahmadinejad crushed a more pragmatic opponent in last June's Iranian presidential elections.

Islam was founded as a theocracy, such that the Western innovation of church-state separation remains alien to its culture. Is it possible for Islam to reform? A negative answer implies that Ahmadinejad's January 5 call for world domination falls within the Islamic mainstream. He told an audience of religious students, "We must believe in the fact that Islam is not confined to geographical borders, ethnic groups and nations. It's a universal ideology that leads the world to justice. We don't shy away from declaring that Islam is ready to rule the world. We must prepare ourselves to rule the world." The previous day, the London Guardian leaked a European intelligence report detailing Iran's efforts to acquire technology required to build nuclear weapons. A very few writers, including this one, have rejected the possibility of Islamic reformation, to the stony contempt of universally accepted opinion.

Now Pope Benedict XVI has let it be known that he does not believe Islam can reform.


[Link: www.atimes.com...]

275 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:49:56am

It'll be a sweet day when I hear the crowds of American-loving football fans singing,

Wahabbis, Wahabbis, hey hey hey, goodbye
Hey hey-hey, goodbye
Wahabbis, Wahabbis, hey hey hey, goodbye
Wahabbis, Wahabbis, hey hey hey, goodbye
Wahabbis, Wahabbis,, hey hey hey, goodbye

Go on and kiss Mecca goodbye.

SOON...

276 Orson Buggy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:52:33am

#254 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Click on the Art and Culture link. It tells you all you need to know ...

277 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:53:54am

grand mufti, Sheik Abdul-Aziz al-Sheik, makes his Hajj sermon...
Cleric slams West for 'war against Islam'

Speaking at a mosque on the plain of Mount Arafat, Sheik Abdul-Aziz al-Sheik, the kingdom’s grand mufti, said Muslims were facing critical challenges, among them accusations of terrorism and human rights abuses and calls for revisions in their school textbooks, many of which make nonbelievers, especially Jews.

“Oh, Muslim nation, there is a war against of our creed, against our culture under the pretext of fighting terrorism. We should stand firm and united in protecting our religion,” he said.

“Islam’s enemies want to empty our religion from its contents and its meaning,” said al-Sheik, the Saudi kingdom’s top religious authority.

“But the soldiers of God will be victorious,” he said.

The faithful called out: “Amen.”


Our friends the Suadis

278 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:54:23am

WriterMom,

Heck, I was just feeling my appetite return. What an image.

279 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:55:15am

New 18Z NAM model still suggests a centimeter or two of much needed rain may fall in Eastern Texas (not much relief for DFW or SAT, unfortunately), and maybe five to ten centimeters of snow in parts of North East Oklahoma!


Did I mention 12Z GFS shows possibility of light snow with the monster weekend storm (which will bring freakish warmth and rain to the Northeast, at the same time) all the way to coastal Georgia?

For Houston area, wind energy/dynamics iffy for severe, but enough instability for thunderstorms, anyway.

SPC earlier today has no severe weather outlooked, but has added a *SLIGHT RISK* for areas just North of HOU.

280 jehu  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:55:19am

Islam needs a Jack Handy moment:

"Sometimes while surging around the Ka'ba during pilgrimage I link to think of a giant ice skating rink surrounding the Holy Stone, and beautiful women in skimpy outfits skating backwards singing songs of melody and love to all."

281 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:55:59am

Moran is saying World Wars One and Two "could have been avoided."

If only Democrats had been in power.

Oh, wait...

282 jehu  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:57:57am

Yes and the Civil War could have been avoided if there was no Democratic party with its plantation system...O, but wait!

283 wingfam mom  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:58:22am

#237 Lively

Unfortunately, many Christians have fallen into the liberal trap of thinking one of the Seven Deadly Sins is intolerance.

Calling someone intolerant is akin to calling them a filthy racist idiot, with a slice of evil on the side. Christians who come out of a liberal theological background cannot bear to be painted with that brush.

I have no such qualms

284 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:58:31am
285 DesertSage  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:59:12am
Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel!

Cindy Sheehan?
Hugo Chavez?
.
.
.
Harry Belafonte?
Michael Moore?
.
.
Common somebody, help me out...who said it?

286 jehu  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 11:59:36am

I wish Las Vegas had a betting line on whether we take out Iran's nuke capabilities, or allow them to get nukes and blackmail the West.

287 pettifog  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:00:10pm

awww..they can't even throw in a "Death to Bush". This "Death to America" , "Death to Israel" stuff is getting kind of old. Where's the president of Iran when you need him?

288 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:00:15pm

# 252 Beagle

Uh, by the very definition, you could not "see" a black hole.

289 rayra[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:00:56pm
290 Beagle  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:02:04pm

#288 Mike C.

Uh, by the very definition, you could not "see" a black hole.


That's the point. Saying "no one has ever seen a black hole" is tautological, unnecessary, confusing, and implies someone could.

291 Buckaroo  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:04:05pm

# 286 j

Try tradesports.com -- they have bunches of stuff on that topic and many more ...

292 jehu  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:05:45pm

The similarities between now and the 30's with the rise of Hitler and all the mistakes made. Same mistakes being made by the spiritual, (if not actual) descendents of those that appeased evil in their time. The same spiritual, (if not actual) descendents that will have to shed their blood to make up for those mistakes. Even the same anti Semitism preceding it all.

293 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:06:08pm

This little dweeb was just on saying that the rise in gas prices since the war is a major reason behind the Iraq insurgency.

Now a redheaded twit is pissing about "cooked books" and the Downing Street memo.

And bless me if she doesn't think there's something special about "prima facie" evidence.

294 wingfam mom  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:06:09pm

Sometimes at Christmastime, the Today Show or some other program will feature the Boys Choir of Harlem, singing songs of faith.

During the Hajj, will Katie Couric treat us to a few selections from the Boys Choir of Mt. Arafat?

"We Wish You De-Capitation"
" Death to the World"
" Silent Night, Bloody Night"

295 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:06:26pm

# 290 Beagle

Sorry, I mis-understood your point. My bad.

296 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:07:12pm

#290 Beagle

That's the point. Saying "no one has ever seen a black hole" is tautological, unnecessary, confusing, and implies someone could.

Couldn't you see the boundaries of a black hole? At the event horizon, it's less than the speed of light so you could "see" the boundary, right?

297 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:08:24pm

109 William
Ok, home from work, and have an update. I used the video witht he corresponding Memri article with my seniors. I also had cut and pasted some of the wonderful cheers from the earlier part of the thread, and xeroxed them for my students. I passed out the papers,a nd had them listen to the Mullah Man say the spiel as they followed along. We then discussed. At the point for comic relief, we went over the cheers that you Lizardheads had provided. Thanks to you guys for providing a wonderful back to school activity to get class and learning started again. All in all, the lesson took about 10-15 minutes out of class. The kids especially enjoyed the cheers, and for a final effect, I asked them to come up with a better pronunciation for Mr. Ahmadinnerjacket of Iran. :)

298 gus3  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:09:28pm

#290 Beagle:

Sure, one can see a black hole. One simply needs to use different eyes. Like, say, a radio telescope about 7 miles long.

299 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:09:58pm

# 296 reaganite

We can indeed "see" the effects (mostly X-ray emissions) of matter collapsing before it hits the event horizon. But nothing at or beyond that, of course.

300 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:10:01pm
301 bouzouki  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:10:29pm

George Galloway is fed up!

George said: "I am of a certain age and class that is not used to hearing women talk as graphically in everyday discourse as one - at least - of the young women in here does."

"I would hate to hear my daughter speaking like that."

Sounds like an honor killing waiting to happen.

302 jehu  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:10:41pm

buckaroo # 291

Wow, that site has some sort of contracts, like stock buys for date certain of air strikes on Iran. Capatalism thinks of EVERYTHING!

303 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:10:45pm

St. Pancake, you're not gonna get in trouble now for lack of mullah tolerance are you?

/I tolerate mullets, but draw the line at mullahs

304 wingfam mom  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:12:47pm

#297 St Pancake

I wish I would have had teachers like you! I went to HS in an experimental University school, where they inflicted their latest moonbat theories of education upon us, to see what would stick to the wall.

This was in the '60's, so not a whole lot stuck, I can tell you. What a bunch of ding-dongs. The sad part was - they were considered 'cutting edge'.

305 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:13:02pm

# 300 tfk

Good grief ! Has Geepers beat you that far down ?

306 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:14:40pm

#299 Mike C.

But nothing at or beyond that, of course.

That was my point!

307 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:15:14pm

303 Cato the Elder

This is my AP European class. Only us lonely Christians and Jews in there.

308 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:15:24pm

jehu, it's a concept called "the wisdom of crowds" - the aggregate of the market knows more about events and conditions than any given individual. Especially if your money is on the line.

Cheney was lambasted a few years ago for venturing to harness the concept to predict terrorist attacks and targets.

309 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:15:52pm

# 304 wingfam mom

Nuns. That's the answer. Gave a whole different meaning to the term "cutting edge." That being, of course, that brass-bound yard/meter stick. I still have the scars.

310 gus3  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:16:05pm

#303 Cato:

Are you sure about that?

[Link: www.mulletlovers.com...]

Click the "Hall of Shame" on the left.

311 Egfrow  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:17:03pm

#176 karmic_inquisitor

This video is a strong demonstration of how quickly our emenies use information released by the traitors of our own country. This type of behavior is tolerated by the News Media and the general population it seems. 911 didn't serve to be the proper warning after all. Everyone forgot.

312 wingfam mom  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:17:41pm

#309 Mike C.

LOL! I bet you got one heck of an education though!

Didn't you? Come on, you did. :)

313 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:17:42pm

# 306 reaganite

Apparently I am not the sharpest pencil in the box this evening, so you'll have to pardon me.

314 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:17:46pm

304 wingfam mom

Thanks for the compliment. This crap has made me very aware once again that I am a daughter, granddaughter, and sister of the military. I am not going to wimp out. In addition, those students who went to see Munich also concurred witht eh sentiments expressed here. THERE IS HOPE!

315 taterhead  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:19:50pm

Awww...isn't that the sweetest thing. Just makes me want to be a member. I love pep rallys.
/yeah right

The first week in February, our church is going to have a fellow called 'Aftab Ahmad' come to give a seminar on 'Understanding Islam'. He has delivered over 100 seminars since 9/11, certified with the Department of Justice to deliver training to Law Enforcement Officers on the religion of islam and the culture of muslim immigrants...blah, blah,...volunteers as a Sunday school teacher to new muslim 'reverts' (there is that word again) and high school/college level youngens.
Do you think he would appreciate me asking him about such goings on in mecca in the question and answer sessions? Or questions about the cair leadership, or the beheadings in Indonesia, or the honor killings wherever?

I will most definitely be going and letting him know that no matter what he says in the seminars, actions of the muslim community speak louder than him.

316 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:20:03pm

# 312 wingfam mom

You had 3 alternatives - learn, get beat to death, or get beat to death AND burn in hell for all eternity. Great motivational gimmick.

317 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:20:18pm

Oh, my, gus3!

I had forgotten about Michael Bolton...

318 Buckaroo  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:20:52pm

# 302 j

Yep -- I'm sure A. Smith would be quite proud ...
:-)

Actually DARPA first thought of such a thing some time ago, the LLLs freaked out so the private company brought it into being -- Glenn Beck has their ticker running on his website ...

319 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:21:03pm

I remember reading that if an individual were to "fall" into a black hole the gravitational forces are so great that their body would be compacted into a thread and stretched for hundreds of miles.

Don't know if that is accurate assesment, but it's one hell of an image.

320 wingfam mom  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:21:33pm

#314 St Pancake

I give you all the credit in the world. I truly do. I bailed out of public education about 10 years back. I am glad you are still there, and others like you. Those on the home front fight the battle too.

321 wingfam mom  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:22:48pm

#316 Mike C.

And you picked . . .?

:)

322 whiterasta  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:23:51pm

What we are seeing here is an explosion of pent up sexual rage.

They can't drink, they can't smoke pot, they can't fuck and their women are camel-ass ugly and hairy.

I'd be interested if any LGFers with psych experience would comment on my opinion.

Don't bother telling me I'm nuts, I already know that!

323 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:24:08pm

Ah, everybody knows that we LGF'ers are nothing but a bunch of home-schooled idiots.

Couldn't tell a black hole from an ocicat.

/Wolcott

324 jehu  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:24:12pm

# 308 Cato

Yeah I tend to put more stock (inadvertant pun) in the market's wisdom about this matter. Sort of like the law of large numbers by insurance agencies.

Ultimately probably everything can be explained by mathematics. Certainly the Holy Grail of Science and the quest for a Unified Field Theory.

I wish we had politicians like Churchill where you knew exaclty what they would do. I fear Bush has been so damaged and weakened he may not do what HAS to be done. Damn the liberal machine for making things so much worse.

325 fuzzylogic  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:24:31pm

Folks, you are watching the face of the modern day Barbarian hordes. Europe will be the first to fall if it doesn't drastically change it's policies, if it isn't too late already. It's up to us to make sure that North and South America remain the home of modern thought, freedom, and Liberty.

The Steyn essay posted here the other day said it all. If Iraq fails, and doesn't begin a revolution of genuine democracy and liberty, I'd put a lot of money on the fact that much of what we consider the civilized world will be swallowed by the new barbarian hordes in the next 50 years. Watch for it!

326 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:24:47pm

320 wingfam mom

Believe it or not, there is a Spirit in those guys. Most (but not all) of them already see through the PC baloney. It is ok not to have to love everyone.

327 wingfam mom  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:25:22pm

#322 Whiterasta

There's got to be a doctoral thesis there somewhere.

328 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:26:08pm

# 321 wingfam mom

Sort of a combo of choices 1 and 3, as it turned out.

329 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:26:19pm

Related - Guess what traditions are feared to be contributing to the spread of bird flu in Turkey, and guess who is on the Hajj while brid flu spreads in his country?

Doctors warned the public on Monday to take extra precautions during this week’s Bayram festival, when animals – generally lambs and cattle – are slaughtered on Turkey’s streets to mark the Muslim feast of Sacrifice.

Amid signs that a lack of personnel was hampering the cull of birds in Turkey’s mountainous and snowbound east, local officials appealed to people to dig pits in which to bury birds. This factor and others have sparked a furore in the Turkish press, which is accusing the government of being slow to respond to the outbreak and of misleading the public in its initial statements about when the disease was first detected in the east.

It has also been revealed that Turan Aslan, head of the country’s chief public health laboratory, is on the annual Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, even though all medical personnel have been ordered to report to work.

Found here.

330 Buckaroo  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:27:25pm

# 322 w r

poster ted is a shrink of some sort and he has alluded to such in the past -- would be interesting if anyone has risked a fatwa and actually published something to that effect ...
:-)

331 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:27:36pm

Now they're bleating about "forcing Bush out"... because he's packing the court with theocrats.

Does this make Bush a court packer?

332 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:27:49pm

325 fuzzylogic

We will also need to see what the Iranian people choose to do, or not to do.

333 jehu  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:27:52pm

taterhead #315

The first week in February, our church is going to have a fellow called 'Aftab Ahmad' come to give a seminar on 'Understanding Islam'.

Ever thought of looking for another Church? Or at least ask if an opposing viewpoint can be expressed...like general history of Islam?

334 wingfam mom  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:28:28pm

St Pancake - I do not know how long you have been teaching, but do you see an increased political awareness in HS students since 9/11?

My own kids were always pretty much aware, but I always felt the general student population was not. But has that changed since the terrorist attacks, do you think?

335 gus3  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:31:01pm

#315 taterhead:

Make sure you take along some research about "taqiyya". After you ask him your other questions, point out to the audience how taqiyya puts the advance of Islam above all other morality, including lying about Islam and the Quran.

And then watch his fact turn pale.

336 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:31:14pm

Moran now wagging his finger and repeating the word "blowback" as though it were a scientific term...

337 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:34:28pm

#331 - Cato the Elder

Does this make Bush a court packer?

This may explain why GWB has yet to see Brokeback Mountain - in the current climate of Washington politics, court packers and fudge packers don't mix. It's a matter/anti-matter thing.

338 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:34:42pm

334 wingfam mom

Been teaching 21 years. September 11 was a date the students in my class will never forget. I am still annoyed that some teachers pretended it was "just another day", and did not discuss it with the kids. I, on the other hand, as a Social Studies teacher, spent lots of time dealing with this. Former students return and tell me they will NEVER FORGET that particular day.
The 10th graders really picked up on a great deal in world history. We do have a unit on Islam. I have to watch it as I do have some Muslim students. I give a pretty detailed week of lessons on the religion and poltics of the ROP. I have been brave enough to mention some of the terrorism even with these classes. I also do current events witht he. As I have mentioned before I do have some Iranian American students also, and they know deeply how I despise Mr. Ahmadinnerjacket.

339 alegrias  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:36:57pm

Why wouldn't it be a good idea to forward this disturbing image to our respective churches & synagogues for discussion (with coffee) between services this week? And the words of the new Pope about Islam? Especially we in disgustingly pro-Pali denominations? Take 'em back from moonbats.

340 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:37:32pm

Whiterasta,

I'm convinced that at the root of Islam is Mahomet's deep-seated fear of being revealed as the fraud he was.

The Koran is full of little asides like "this is not a hoax" and "I'm a real prophet." I'm paraphrasing, of course, but in essence he knew he was riding the tiger and lived in terror of being exposed as a naked emperor. (How's that for mixed metaphors?)

Of course, it's sub-101 level psych that the more you protest about these things, the likelier they are to be true.

I don't recall a lot of other prophets harping on their authenticity.

Mahomet = the paranoid schizophrenic of prophets.

341 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:38:20pm

339 alegrias

I concur. Why don't we?

342 alegrias  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:40:18pm

#336 cato

Moran is a jerk but John McCain's brother-- who planned to run for Moran's seat in 2002--would have been as Bush bashing as Moran where Iraq is concerned. BDS is bipartisan in many quarters, unfortunately for Northern Virginia.

343 wingfam mom  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:43:04pm

#338 St Pancake

My hat's off to you. You seem to have developed enormous trust and respect from your administration, so that you can teach with a free hand like this. And of course your own sense of wisdom and balance in opening the line of inquiry without putting off students from those cultural and religious backgraounds. No easy task. Marvelous!


See, this is why I now work for a Veterinarian. :)

344 alegrias  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:44:32pm

#341 St. Pancake

To my ol' church that wouldn't pray for Pres. Sharon's health yesterday, nor for our troops nor our President on Christmas Eve--uggghhh, I'll hold my nose and keep trying.

(Former Sec. of Defense James Schlesinger used to attend this formerly decent Lutheran church. How low they've come)

345 Mister Ghost  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:44:35pm

Was this Death to America and Israel Pep Rally held in Mecca or San Francisco? I don't see any Giant Puppet Heads, so probably Mecca.

346 Goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:45:06pm

St. Pancake

I teach English. My 8th graders are reading Elie Wiesel's Night. When we've finished, I'm giving them the Dr. Sindi article to read, and then they'll write a persuasive essay about who's right about the Holocaust, Dr. Sindi or Elie Wiesel.

My 10 year old son was profoundly affected by 9/11, and destroying a part of his childhood innocence is another reason I hate the terrorists.

347 hyphen  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:45:21pm

#255 Lively

I read some of the threads with you in it, and it seems to me many christians over there recognize the dangers of islam. They just can't talk about it much because politics is not allowed on that board.

348 bouzouki  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:45:24pm

Cato the Elder:

The sad truth is that had Mohammed lived today, he could probably be treated quite effectively with modern pharmaceuticals.

349 gus3  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:46:35pm

#340 Cato:

It was the eminent observational psychologist William Shakespeare who penned the line, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" ("Hamlet", III ii).

350 bitsy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:47:12pm

Sounds like another fun-filled day at camp for Satan's Cheerleaders.

351 Earth2moonbat  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:47:28pm

339 alegrias

You don't know the ways of the moonbat. They'll take this as evidence that Bush stirred up a hornet's nest, and as a reason to cut and run. What's obviously evidence to you and me that we need to finish this fight, is obviously evidence to the moonbat that we never should have gone in in the first place, and should leave, appoligize profusely, pay profusely, and submit to the UN.

352 jehu  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:48:01pm

After what I've been told I have to believe that those 2 million at Mecca are not representative of the RoP. These are just the radicalized Muslims. You know a sect of Islam, like, like the Quakers are a sect of Christianity, or like the Amish...sort of old throwbacks of Islam. Islam has advanced, modernized.

Why its ouput of non-religious publications are in the hundreds per year. It's contributions are legion. I buy stuff all the time from Muslim nations...cars, sweaters, coffee mugs, consumer electronics, liqueors, preserved heads.

Heck while the West wastes its time in going to the moon, Islam does what is really useful and WORSHIPS the moon. While the West cultivates and waters the desert, Islam cultivates and nurishes suicide bombers.

While the West brings freedom and the vote, Islam brings security and a proper place for all...especially for women. While the West goes on vacation to Paris...Muslims burn Paris (see they do some good things!)

And art? Heck anybody can paint or create sculptures, but what of the art of making a living pincushion of a descendent of a famous artist? Now that is ART!

353 dmjboose  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:48:57pm

150 tax free killer

i believe you are wrong. The commies did have the goal of the death of mankind in their hearts as they chose to destroy man's only means of life, property. Still, they preached a brotherhood of man. the muslims do the same thing, preaching a muslim brotherhood, and it should not be overlooked. However bloodthirsty they appear at LGF, they still use their brotherhood as bait to attract new members. We must recugnize all aspects of their strategies and destroy them to successfully rid the world of this scum.

354 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:50:07pm

346 Goddessoftheclassroom

Good for you! Many more of us realize the dangers of PC here. This is another reason why I worry about immigration from those particular countries. Many of those immigrant children enter our schools and expect things to always go their way. I will not change the way I teach just to accommodate strange and nefarious ideologies.
In addition, the multicultural business has cut out so much of the quality time I used to use on topics such as the Holocaust. It can be depressing, nevertheless.

355 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:52:08pm

Well, I see that today the dems on the judiciary committee clearly threw down the gauntlet. Note to repubs - pick up the gauntlet, slap the dems several times across the face with it, toss it down in front of them, drop back ten, and draw your swords. Then have at them. Let this damned dance end here and now. Enough is enough.

356 Salem  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:53:04pm

With an eye toward the future, we can expect to see a day when stone-age attitudes are left behind as we slip the surly bonds of earth, and-... Wait, what's this?...

Feds Fear Terrorists May Go To Outer Space (BBC, via Drudge)

Space tourists must be screened to ensure they are not terrorists, according to proposed regulations from the US Federal Aviation Administration.

The draft report's suggestions aim to prevent a terrorist from destroying a spacecraft or using it as a weapon.

However, the report has no strict proposals on the health of any would-be space tourists.

The suggestions will affect Sir Richard Branson's enterprise which aims to launch people into space this decade.

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is attempting to regulate the commercial space industry in a bid to ensure minimum safety standards.

It has recommended security checks similar to those for airline passengers.


The public interest is served by creating a clear legal, regulatory, and safety regime for commercial human spaceflight
FAA

The FAA also suggests space tourism companies check the global "no-fly" list, from the US Homeland Security Department, to exclude potential terrorists.

"New technologies carry new risks. Nonetheless, Congress recognises that private industry has begun to develop commercial launch vehicles capable of carrying human beings into space, and greater private investment in these efforts will stimulate the nation's commercial space transportation industry as a whole," said the report.

"The public interest is served by creating a clear legal, regulatory, and safety regime for commercial human spaceflight."

Companies should give passengers safety advice including the number of flights the spacecraft has been on and any problems they have experienced with the craft, according to further recommendations in the report.

Space tourists should also be given pre-flight training to handle emergency situations such as a loss of cabin pressure or fire.

However, the FAA has so far left any medical requirements in the hands of the tourist, who should decide themselves if they are fit to fly.

The draft regulations could come into force soon, as the first space tourists have already made it into low orbit around the Earth.

In 2004, Burt Rutan witnessed the successful launch of SpaceShipOne, as his team won the $10m prize for having the first private ship to fly 100km above Earth's surface.

By the end of this decade, Virgin Galactic aims to take people into space from a spaceport in New Mexico.

After consulting the public, the FAA should publish its final report before June 2006.

D'oh!

357 alegrias  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:53:27pm

#351 earth 2 moonbat

You are right! Not only has this formerly conservative congregation gone moonbat, they're barely a couple miles from NOrthern Virginia's biggest mosque! Oh, and they're in Jim Moran's congressional district. Must take back the LUtheran church from these 1960s hippies somehow, grumble grumble...

358 jehu  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:53:50pm

Mike C

Except Arlen Specter will pick up the glove and slap himself with it.

359 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:54:09pm

#353 dmjboose

The commies did have the goal of the death of mankind in their hearts as they chose to destroy man's only means of life, property.

You do drugs, right?

360 Ackomanyuki  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:54:15pm

Doh Shaitan Bezorg ast. Yah Khoda!
Doh Khareh Kuni ast nist.

Translation: Praise G-d we are the great Satan and not a donkeys ass!

361 JustJ  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:54:43pm

yeah, but they're only a tiny minority ...

362 dmjboose  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:55:49pm

359 reaganite

You do drugs, right?


nope, no drugs, just Ayn Rand.

363 wingfam mom  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:56:39pm

#357 alegrias

ELCA?

364 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:56:56pm

359 reaganite
I remember the Cuban Missile Crisis.

365 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:57:59pm

Oh, great - religious arguments again.

366 TotallySirius  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:58:00pm

This is just a fringe group doing this because of the war in Iraq

What,they do this every year?

Well its the same people every year.

What,its a different group every year?

They really must be oppressed.

/moonbat off

367 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:59:25pm

#364 St. Pancake

I remember the Cuban Missile Crisis.

I was born that year. But history shows that the Soviets did not want to kill everyone to get their way.

368 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 12:59:35pm

Looks like we've got a Farsi speaker here.

Cool.

369 jehu  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:00:46pm

I remember Kruschev taking off his stinky shoe and pounding the U.N. podium and shouting, "We will bury you!" Childish, boorhish and comical, until you remember they had about 10,000 nukes pointing at us.

Course Reagan was the real problem, the real cowboy, what with that "evil empire," jargon.

370 Mister Ghost  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:01:01pm

Some wise ass at the rally started shouting
Baba-Booey and they lynched him on the spot.

371 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:01:18pm

#358,

Except Arlen Specter will pick up the glove and slap himself with it.

It'd have to be a spanking --he's such an asshat.

372 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:01:21pm

# 367 reaganite

BORN that year ? (Grumble, grumble, grumble...)

373 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:01:36pm

367 reaganite

True, but there were definitely some bumpy moments there.

374 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:02:24pm

Moran just mentioning that he reads the NYT and the WaPo "religiously" every day.

Good to know he's getting diversity of opinion. And that he knows how to take it with the proper degree of gravitas.

375 Sarah D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:02:59pm

#367 reaganite

Dead people can't work for the common goal. They needed gulag fodder.

376 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:03:56pm

369 jehu

Yes, that was another laugh. Used to love the May Day parades too, that almighty demonstration of Soviet might.

377 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:04:28pm

#372 Mike C.

BORN that year ? (Grumble, grumble, grumble...)

Like I had a choice...

#373 St. Pancake

but there were definitely some bumpy moments there.

True enough, but it proved the Soviets wanted to live as much as we do.

The same cannot be said of the Islaminazis.

378 MoonbatBane  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:04:40pm

#254 Ayatollah Ghilmeini 1/9/2006 01:12PM PST

Meanwhile, speeding the advance of all humanity, Saudi Arabia has introduced the wonders of modern indoor plumbing to to the Hajj!

Hey, and only 2,000 years after the Chinese came up with the idea. Wow, what progress! ROTFLMAO!

379 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:05:42pm

March 20th retrial of Andrea Yates.

380 jehu  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:06:48pm

St. Pancake

All that ambition and military straining, but they never could figure out how to grow a damn potato, especially after they killed all their farmers. Looks like Putin is back in the Grand Russian tradition. Totally screw up a country so about 100 people can have wealth.

381 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:07:05pm

# 377 reaganite

Didn't spend much time watching a B&W TV, did you ?

382 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:07:42pm

377 reaganite

True, true, but that still does not take away the fear we had during the missile crisis. My pop was sent away somewhere when that broke out.

383 rightymouse  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:07:47pm

EVENING EVERYONE!

Well, it's official. I hate Mondays.

384 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:07:52pm

#375 Sarah D.

Dead people can't work for the common goal. They needed gulag fodder.

They folded instead of fighting. They wanted to live.

385 gus3  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:08:01pm

#367 reaganite:

But history shows that the Soviets did not want to kill everyone to get their way.

No, just enough to get rid of the resistance. It was their own special brand of "taqiyya", with the same net result: death of the individual, death of conscience, death of everything that makes us human.

Some people in my congregation can still remember how family members just "disappeared" in the night, simply because they were church-goers.

386 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:08:54pm

#381 Mike C.

Didn't spend much time watching a B&W TV, did you ?

As a kid!

387 JohnConnor  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:09:52pm

#273 Spiritualized

I've only caught a few moments of BB (I hate Reality TV!) But I noticed Ghastly George goes to bed way ahead of the other 'inmates'.

You think this is because he has to get up early to prostrate and pray?

388 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:09:57pm

380 jehu

Remember they also had dire problems with growing wheat. The USSR seemed to be the only country in which the weather always seemed to be the cause of their agricultural woes.

389 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:10:13pm

#382 St. Pancake

My pop was sent away somewhere when that broke out.

That was before my father went into subs. He was on a destroyer off of Cuba.

390 Mr. Beamish  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:10:18pm

Death to Iran!

391 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:10:20pm

MoonbatBane,

Modern indoor plumbing is actually a curse if you use the facilities like you were still going to the bathroom in a hole out back.

Friend of mine was in Bosnia spying on the UN. (Seriously - to catch the people behind the prostitution rings etc. But that's another story.) The stories she told about Bosnian women's toilets - well they're only fit for bar talk.

Wow, a guy just stood up and everything but called Moran and Co. traitors. Of course it look like the room took him apart.

392 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:11:02pm

#385 gus3

No, just enough to get rid of the resistance. It was their own special brand of "taqiyya", with the same net result: death of the individual, death of conscience, death of everything that makes us human.

The USSR is still around?

393 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:12:20pm

#390 Mr. Beamish

Death to Iran!

Charles' answer.

394 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:12:53pm

385 gus3

There is a book out which I have not purchased yet that details the psychological damage done to the Russians as a result of the 70 years of communism.

395 MoonbatBane  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:12:56pm

#333 jehu 1/9/2006 02:27PM PST

The first week in February, our church is going to have a fellow called 'Aftab Ahmad' come to give a seminar on 'Understanding Islam'.

My brother's old chruch in Texas had something like that after 9-11. The speaker was a former priest with (I forget how many -- think a lot) degrees in theology who could read Greek, Latin, and several other languages. (In case most people don't know, Catholic priests almost all have PhD's in theology, including extensive education in most major religions. This guy went well above and beyond that.)

One big diff from what you will probably get: This speaker explained how the RoP as set forth in the Koran and practiced in most of the Middle East is basically a mesianic death cult.

If only your church is so lucky. Somehow I doubt it, though.

396 jehu  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:13:29pm

367 reaganite

I was born that year. But history shows that the Soviets did not want to kill everyone to get their way.

Maybe, but they managed to kill about 50 million anyway. (The Chinese even more) And during that time nobody really knew how far they would go or their intentions. In hindsight we now know they were not insane like the Islamonuts.

But we have people now (mostly the same crowd) that pretend you can just sit down and reason with the Islamo-Nazis. This is what makes Reagan probably not only one of the greatest Presidents of all time, but a truly great man.

He somehow, instinctively knew we were stronger than the Soviets and could defeat them. This when hardly nobody believed this, and thought Reagan mad. The rhetoric against Reagan is similar to what is thrown at Bush, but I think those opposing Bush are somehow almost driven mad in their hatred, truly a spectacle to see this.

397 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:14:47pm

OK, Moran just hoisted the "squandered good will" flag.

The whole world loved us after 9/11, but we thumbed our noses at them.

Yup, and there's the phrase "hearts and minds."

F*ck there hearts and minds. Give me their asses and their hearts will follow.

I'm so sick of the mantras.

Oh,jeez, there it is - Native Americans used to make decisions based on how it would affect the seventh generation.

Did anyone ever hear such concentrated nonsense?

Clairvoyant Indians and Osama's heart. Thanks for reminding me why I did not vote for Kerry.

398 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:14:49pm
March 20th retrial of Andrea Yates


I just saw her original defense attorney down in the gym.


My heavy set today was 5 reps of 235. Doesn't sound like much yet (although I'm finally past the 2 plate barrier) but I've only been lifting about a year.

399 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:15:29pm

389 reaganite

Wow! Hopefully he has told you some good stories.

400 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:15:47pm

#396 jehu

In hindsight we now know they were not insane like the Islamonuts.

Not really. That is why MAD came about. The Soviets knew we would kill them if they tried to kill us. In the end, they folded their hand.

That cannot be said about the Islaminazis.

401 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:16:09pm

# 386 reaganite

Got my first color TV when The Goddess of Periodicals was pregnant with our first - 8 years after we got married. We thought it was pretty cool.

I will never forget being called in from the yard when JFK gave his speech that night, and they showed those surveillance photos of the Cuban missle bases. As close as we were to DC, it was pretty much a 50-50 deal that we were all going to be dead very, very soon. One of the most frightening experiences of my life.

402 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:16:39pm
403 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:16:48pm

Some guy named Rosner (from Harratz (spelling?) is on C-Span talking about the future of Israel.

404 gus3  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:17:04pm

#392 reaganite:

Maybe not as a designation on a map, but Tovarishch Putin isn't exactly the most freedom-minded leader, is he? He's taken many strides to keep the facts of the USSR and of himself from finding the light of day.

405 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:18:23pm

#399 St. Pancake

Wow! Hopefully he has told you some good stories.

The bulk of his career was as a Cold War submariner. Even my security clearance wasn't high enough that he could even hint what he did.

406 RayA  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:20:20pm

Towards the end of that tape, notice that the speaker used the "Taping innocent people without permission" to solidify his argument as to why America should be destroyed.

you can thank the Douche-bags at the New York Times for that one

Another reason why we should deal with Radical leftists before we can eliminate radical Islam.

407 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:20:36pm

#401 Mike C.

As close as we were to DC, it was pretty much a 50-50 deal that we were all going to be dead very, very soon. One of the most frightening experiences of my life.

I grew up having nightmares about nuclear war. I had a dream when I was around 7 that I still can vividly remember.

I enlisted under Reagan. I fully expected to fight in Europe.

408 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:20:38pm

Hey Ed

Do you think she will be sent to a hospital rather spend the remainder of her life in prison?

409 SevoGuy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:20:43pm

EVERY NEWSPAPER AND NEWS SHOW SHOULD BE CARRYING THIS HEADLINE

Let me be the first to tell these islamic clerics: You follow satan and his false prophet. Your only hope for salvation is to eradicate your religion and turn to the true LIGHT OF THE WORLD. His name is JESUS

This story should dominate the World News Organizations. Then watch the tap dance.

Your going to HELL if you don't turn away from this suicidal religion.

We will never lose to the sword of islam. History has proven this.

410 m  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:20:56pm

#405 reaganite

Doc have any good news this morning?
Scheduled that first beer after yet?

:D

411 jehu  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:21:08pm

Moonbatbane # 395

Thanks, but that was taterhead's church. I left my church of 25 years recently because it was not praying enough for Bush and the troops. Too self-focused like many churches.

I can't imagine what would happen if I were in a Church and they let some moonbat preach tolerance of Islam. I would at least stand up and walk out as he was talking, if not outright denounce him and the leadership.

Too much of Christianity is a whore, and the Bible warned it would become a whore, actually produce children (denominations).

Christianity was supposed to stand for something, and love is not tolerance. Tolerance is usually a compromise with evil. Early Christians went to their deaths before they compromised with evil, and Christianity was vibrant and strong.

Now whole churches die, because they do compromise with evil.

412 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:21:36pm

#404 gus3

but Tovarishch Putin isn't exactly the most freedom-minded leader, is he?

Compare the map of CIS to the USSR.

413 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:25:31pm

#410 m

Doc have any good news this morning?

Routine.

Scheduled that first beer after yet?

I'm cheating. I didn't take any drugs today. I really wanted a beer!

414 TotallySirius  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:26:14pm

Deterrence won't work with people who worship death.

The Islamofascists gladly accept the fact that any use of nuclear weapons would result in their own destruction as long as Israel or the US were destroyed with them.

Mutual Assured Destruction is right up their alley.

415 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:27:18pm

reaganite,

Since when can't you do beer and drugs at the same time?

;^)

416 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:27:25pm

#414 TotallySirius

Mutual Assured Destruction is right up their alley.

MAD only works against a rational enemy.

417 reggie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:28:16pm

I just saw this reported on Chris Matthews' Hard Ball, and there was a teaser for Kieth Olbermann's show tonight, too.

Not.

418 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:28:23pm

405 reaganite

That bites.
Those of you all now living in NY, or D.C. do you periodically get those weird feelings too?

419 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:28:34pm

# 407 reaganite

Ah, when Reagan got in, we had a wild celebration, because we just freaking knew the end of the nightmare was near.

420 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:28:38pm

#415 Cato the Elder

Since when can't you do beer and drugs at the same time?

Morphine derivatives and alcohol do not mix. I'd like to live until tomorrow.

421 m  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:29:19pm

#413 reaganite

Routine.

It won't be long now :D

I'm cheating. I didn't take any drugs today. I really wanted a beer!

See! What'd I tell ya! Not long at all.

422 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:30:22pm

#418 St. Pancake

That bites.

Some of what they did is slowly coming out.

#419 Mike C.

Ah, when Reagan got in, we had a wild celebration, because we just freaking knew the end of the nightmare was near.

My moonbat mother cried.

423 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:30:39pm

# 409 SevoGuy

Uh, you wanna dial that back a notch ?

424 gus3  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:30:55pm

#394 St. Pancake:

One needs only to look at the abortion statistics in Russia to know that something has gone very, very wrong in people's minds.

425 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:31:23pm

#421 m

See! What'd I tell ya! Not long at all.

End of the month I go to physical therapy.

426 m  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:34:36pm

#425 reaganite

Dang. You really messed it up bad didn't you? Bless your heart!

427 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:35:20pm

424 gus3

No! Abortion was something they were very proud of in those days. Some women had up to 10 abortions. Abortion was the Soviet answer to birth control. The economy (I am blushing) did not produce the highest quality devices to prevent pregnancy. It always blew me away to read this stuff.

428 Rust Never Sleeps  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:35:27pm

353

The commies did have the goal of the death of mankind in their hearts

The communists didn't, and that's why "Mutually Assured Destruction" wasn't mad at all.

Look at Nikita Khrushchev's, Yuri Andropov's, or Mikhail Gorbachev's politics. They might have been cruel dictators (yes, "Gorby" too) but they were rational too, and vaguely realized they would have to change sooner or later. Deng Xiao-Ping in China is another exemple.

I don't see this kind of realism in radical Islam ...

429 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:36:08pm

#426 m

You really messed it up bad didn't you?

It was worse before. It's just the wrong knee for me to mess with.

430 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:37:02pm

Morphine derivatives and alcohol? Heck, I have qualms about milk...

The good thing about painkillers is they're optional, reaganite. I'd opt for the beer occasionally, too.

431 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:38:31pm
432 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:38:43pm

OT
Houston Livestock Rodeo, 2006
HOUSTON -- Twenty-four superstar entertainers will headline nightly concerts at the 2006 Houston Livestock Show & Rodeo, held Feb. 28 through March 19 at Reliant Park.

The all-star lineup, which includes performances by George Strait, Maroon 5, Sheryl Crow, Alan Jackson, Houston-area native Hillary Duff and Larry the Cable Guy was announced on Monday at 10 a.m.

All together, the lineup includes 62 Country Music Association awards, 69 Academy of Country Music awards and 17 Grammy awards.

433 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:39:22pm

#430 Cato the Elder

I'd opt for the beer occasionally, too.

I did on New Year's, big mistake, it was way too soon. Today was a good day so I decided to give it a shot.

434 Ann  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:40:15pm

#418 St. Pancake

Those of you all now living in NY, or D.C. do you periodically get those weird feelings too?

I lived in the DC area for 8 years. 9/11 was amazing. I worked near the CIA Headquarters, and the level of aerial and ground protection was obvious. I remember hearing the broadcast of the high school football game when I was out in the yard a week later on a Friday evening. Military jets roaring by was a new accent to that traditional Fall sound.

Evac instructions, disaster preparedness pamphlets, and radio reports of area hospital chem showers now at the ready showed up weekly.

Then there was the anthrax scare and sniper attacks.

All I know is that so much has been done to get the populations ready, in most areas. Particularly high value target areas.

I honestly feel that this is why the moonbats are so insane now. They can't deal with this reality.

435 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:40:16pm

# 429 reaganite

Could be worse. You could have rammed it completely through the all-metal underdash of a 65 Dodge Dart at 60 mph. I'm here to tell you, that smarts a might. Breaking the steering wheel in 5 places with your face isn't a good deal, either.

436 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:40:38pm

#431 Iron Fist
Give it a rest, please?

437 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:44:02pm

#435 Mike C.

You could have rammed it completely through the all-metal underdash of a 65 Dodge Dart at 60 mph.

LOL, I tried to ram mine through a tree at 60mph. I imagine it's about the same!

Breaking the steering wheel in 5 places with your face isn't a good deal, either.

Yup. The same tree that did in my knee made me go to physical therapy for almost two years.

Are we related?

438 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:44:39pm

# 434 Ann

Growing up very near there, I remember the B-50s flying by overhead (and back then, sonic booms were considered OK) and the duck-and-cover drills. Like that was going to do us radioactive cinders any good.

439 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:45:12pm

434 Ann

Thanks for the info. I personally think I would periodically get the "heebie-jeebies" at random moments. About a week or so after Sept. 11, I saw bunches of planes flying outside. Scared me breathless. Found out later that there had been an airshow at Ellington.

440 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:46:39pm

#438 Mike C.

I remember the B-50s flying by overhead

*Pssst* B-58s! B-50s were re-engined B-29s.

441 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:47:05pm

438 Mike C.

Remember Burt the Turtle? Lol! "Atta boy Tony"! Does any of that ring a bell?

442 LoFlyer  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:47:20pm

These fanatics, you know how it goes. We have one Christian moon-bat who spouts off about Sharon deserving to die, and the media vilifies all Christians. Yet we have a whole city full of Muslims chanting death to America and Israel and we don't hear squat except on the web. As for the fanatical Muslim chanters. You gave it your best shot in 911, and to date two fanatical ME governments have fallen and several more like your little piss-ant country are in our sights. So give it your best shot, and we will let Allah sort out the dead.

443 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:48:02pm

# 437 reaganite

Don't know. Is your tree still standing ? The maple I T-boned is there to this day, although it does have a noticeable scar on one side.

444 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:50:28pm

#443 Mike C.

Is your tree still standing ?

Both of them are! I don't weigh as much as a car. That's why they won...

445 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:50:49pm

OT:
Some variation in the details, but the 18Z GFS still shows a mega-storm bringing high winds, heavy rain, and freakish warmth to the Northeast, followed by a sudden blast of true Siberian air that may or may not change the rain briefly to blinding snows for the Big Cities.


Followed by the Mother of All Great Lakes Gales/Lake Effect and Lake Enhanced Snow!

European Community model a day slower in the evolution of the monster storm.


Radar just showing sprinkles over Central Texas, but as cold front moves into deeper mositure near the Coast, and least some parts of East Texas may see beneficial rains (and not as beneficial hail).

Light snow in the Texas Panhandle spreading towards Oklahoma behind the front.


12Z GFS, by the way, shows the entire snow pack of New York State melting during this mega-storm flood event. Of course, downwind of the Great Lakes, NY will have a chance to get a lot of that snow back.

The Dampier, WA radar failed sometime near landfall of Severe Tropical Cyclone Clare,
but Port Hedland radar shows it moving inland. The main threat now is flooding and isolated tornadoes. Legendre Island measured sustained 132 km/hr winds (82 mph) winds as Clare passed nearby.

Karratha reporting rainfall rates over 10 cm (4 inches) per hour.

Yes, The 2005 Atlantic Hurricane Season ended on January 6th, when the National Hurricane Center dropped advisories on Tropical Depression Zeta, but in the over four months left until Hurricane Season 2006 starts, I still have Australia.

446 jehu  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:51:00pm

Mike C

I remember those duck and cover drills. Even as kids we knew enough to question how hiding under your desk would protect you from a 10 megaton blast in L.A.

We had a Dodge Dart also, think it was a 63 or when they first came out. But you want some real metal? Try a Chrysler New Yorker 1956 or so, I think they HAD to invent the Hemi to lug that baby around.

447 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:51:24pm

# 440 reaganite

Am I mis-remembering the designation ? I mean that delta-wing, two-man nuclear bomber. B-52, perhaps ? I coulda sworn B-50 was correct, but it has been a while.

448 daughter of patriots  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:52:04pm

# 352 jehu

And art? Heck anybody can paint or create sculptures, but what of the art of making a living pincushion of a descendent of a famous artist? Now that is ART!

morbidly funny, LOL!

/thinking piss Christ analogy

449 TotallySirius  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:52:57pm

Here in central Ohio,we used to get anxious during the 'duck and cover' drills but it wasn't that bad.

Being near several first strike targets we knew we didn't have a fart's chance of surviving.

Wright-Patterson SAC AF base in Dayton,Defense Construction Supply Company in Columbus,Lockheed and Rockwell factories in Columbus, Rickenbacher MAC AF base in Lockborn, all the Ruuskies had to do was miss their targets by 20-40 miles and we were toast.

Then on top of that was the inevitable fallout.

Less than week after even a limited strike on our Titan/Minuteman missile bases out west would have brought the fallout right over Ohio.

We wouldn't survive a month.

450 Londoner  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:53:18pm

I like history, and usually have to get it from books or TV documentaries.

But now I can see 14th century barbarism in real time.

I get to see what it was like for grandfather seeing Nazi-ism grow across Europe, while Britain pretended it would go away.

Wow.. its like history .. only not history.

451 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:53:30pm
452 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:53:53pm

RE my # 447

Jeeze-peeze ! Did I actually type B-52 ? Forget that - I know exactly what a B-52 is and that sure isn't what I meant.

453 m  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:54:17pm

#434 Ann

I honestly feel that this is why the moonbats are so insane now. They can't deal with this reality.

Exactly. Instead they say that the 'right' is scared. Not scared... prepared. That inverse-reality has to play havoc on their stomachs.

On a different note: do you guys get Ace & TJ in Fayetteville? Does reaganite sound anything at all like Yankee Pete? :D That's what I hear when I read his posts~ LOL

454 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:54:50pm

#447 Mike C.

I mean that delta-wing, two-man nuclear bomber.

B-58 Hustler.

I coulda sworn B-50 was correct, but it has been a while.

The B-50 was an updated B-29.

455 TotallySirius  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:54:56pm

#447 Mike

You are talking about America's only operational supersonic nuclear bomber,The B-58 'Hustler'

456 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:55:36pm

Don't know about Andrea Yates. Clearly, she was a psycho (pretty much any killer has a screw loose), but the question is whether she knew she was doing wrong.

I don't want to kill Iran, just the a-holes running the place.

457 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:56:01pm

#451 Iron Fist

What?

Death to Syria, Death to Iran does not help.

458 Ann  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:56:39pm

#439 St. Pancake

I personally think I would periodically get the "heebie-jeebies" at random moments.

My tactic was prepare for the worse, but hope for the best. Kept enough food and essentials for at least 10 days. No big deal to do that. Everyone should. Why not?

Back on topic, I just wonder why the Saudis allowed this display this year. It is my understanding that this sort of hate display had been restricted in prior years. I could be wrong.

I'm glad that the muslims are so stupid to so brazenly educate the West. But we won't see this video on the MSM anytime soon.

459 [Engineer]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:57:28pm

#408 St. Pancake

Do you think she will be sent to a hospital rather spend the remainder of her life in prison?

Based on what I learned serving on a jury in a trial like this, here is what can happen.

If the jury finds that she is not mentally capable of assisting in her own defense, she will be put in a locked ward in a hospital. She will stay there until she gets better. Then she will be tried for murder. If she doesn't get better, then she stays in that locked ward.

In Texas, the only way she will not stand trial for murder is if she spends the rest of her life in a locked ward.

460 easy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:57:36pm

#445 Ed Mahmoud

four months left until Hurricane Season 2006 starts,

Arrrg, think I'll just board up after Mardi Gras and leave it at that.

461 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:57:38pm

Ann, I think you made a profound comment. People of a fragile disposition don't like to be reminded that our peace and freedom (civil society, all the "fringe benefits" of life as opposed to the Hobbesian universe) require force to back them up. They're fine as long as the potential for enforcing violence is kept well hidden.

I'm reminded of all the meat eaters out there who hate the thought of hunting, or slaughtering a chicken, as if the stuff really came in plastic wrap.

One thing certain people noted and continue to complain about is seeing lots of guns at the airport. They forget that this is the normal state of things in much of the world.

462 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:58:37pm

449 TotallySirius

I was in San Antonio, home of Fort Sam, Lackland Air Force Base, Kelly Air Force Base, Brook Army Medical, Randolph etc. We felt nervous too.

463 LoFlyer  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:58:38pm

The Convair B-58 was a delta wing supersonic bomber carrying thermonuclear weapons. Problem was the Soviets built a bunch of Guided missles that would eat the B-58 for lunch. Low-level terrain following, radar masking B-52's were immune to the SA-2 resulting in the B-52 going strong into the 21st century while the supersonic B-58 was retired in the 60's. Never saw a B-58. I have climbed through the bomb-bay of a B-52 and it is a big impressive bomber. Its wing tip tanks are the size of a fighter!

464 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 1:59:08pm

# 441 St. Pancake

Unfortunately, yes, I do. 'Course, I also remember the "I like Ike !" commercials.

# 446 jehu

Dad had a 53 Buick and a 56 Pontiac, and for a while, I used to drive a 51 Chevy Deluxe (had turn signals !), so I am familiar with heavy metal, so to speak.

reaganite

Now that you mention it, B-58 is starting to seem correct. Know as "the Hustler", yes ?

465 TotallySirius  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:02:06pm

#463 Lo

They used to have a decommissioned B-58 right beside the XB-70 at the Aerospace Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton.

While there you could watch fully loaded B-52s take-off and land at Wright-Pat.

Now Wright-Pat has B-52s,B-1s and supposedly B-2s.

466 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:02:07pm

I HATE THE MSM!


They should all be taken out behind the nearest barn and shot! They are totaly useless!


Why you ask?

Chevy fans have been waiting for YEARS for the next generation Camaro. It was discontinued years ago. We have been waiting for the next one like 40 year old virgins on their wedding day.

GM showed the concept car off at the Detroit car show. So what does ABC news do? Show it for 1 second and than go on to a 10 minute news story on how bad the US auto industry is. AAARGHHH. F-ing bastards!

But boy oh boy ABC will have their greedy little marxist hands out for GM's ad dollars!

And for you Dodge fans, they skipped over the Challanger to!

467 Ann  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:03:18pm

#453 m

do you guys get Ace & TJ in Fayetteville? Does reaganite sound anything at all like Yankee Pete?

No, neither one of us has heard the show.

All I know is that he has one of the best voices that I have ever heard.

/girl talk :-)

468 ibrodsky  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:03:36pm

I'm sitting here and drinking my dry Martini, chanting "Death to Islam!"

Of course, I have nothing against Islam, and I have nothing to do with the war against Muslim savages, but you have to understand the root cause: Muslim jihadists want to conquer the world for their vile, disgusting, and evil Death Cult.

And I'm thinking about hosting a conference on "Islam and Mass Murder" to be followed by a special seminar "A World Without the Phony "Religion" of Mohammed-worship."

Did I mention that Islam is a vile, disgusting, and brutal Death Cult?

469 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:03:36pm

458 Ann

True, good point.

Engineer

Thanks, not certain how that hospital thing would work. Her husband sold the house they lived in here last year, or so, I believe. Many people refused to even look at the house.

470 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:03:57pm

#463 LoFlyer

Problem was the Soviets built a bunch of Guided missles that would eat the B-58 for lunch.

Not true until much later.

Low-level terrain following, radar masking B-52's were immune to the SA-2 resulting in the B-52 going strong into the 21st century while the supersonic B-58 was retired in the 60's.

Low level Buffs came in the 70's. That's why they got rid of the high tail early model Buffs.

The B-58 was mothballed because it's fuel burning rate was too high to penetrate deep targets.

471 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:04:03pm

Well, I see my flagging memory was a day late and a dollar short on that one. Again. Yes, the B-58 Hustler. They flew them out of Andrews AFB, just down the road from us. We had Nike bases, too. Toured one back when I was in the Cub Scouts. Cool !

472 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:04:46pm
473 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:04:58pm

#464 Mike C.

Know as "the Hustler", yes ?

Yup.

474 scooter  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:05:31pm

Late as usual to the discussion...

I have a question for those who are more knowledgeable. It is simply whether or not we (the US) have a viable option for instigating a regime change.

Michael Ledeen was interviewed last week, and he seemed clearly distressed that the US had not made more efforts to undermine the mullahs. Ledeen made the points which have been discussed here, i.e. the population is young in Iran; Iraq is close by and the Iranians know what is happening; Iranians want a regime change, etc.

It seems to me that our government, along with some other, unlikely assistance, would have this working in order to avoid a military intervention.

I know that when we're all in a temper it's easy to say, "Get 'em anyway possible". 2006 will prove to be a pivotal year, imo, but I'm also interested in your views as to how we might deal with Iran and protect Israel.

475 Earth2moonbat  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:06:41pm

466 hous bin pharteen

GM showed the concept car off at the Detroit car show. So what does ABC news do? Show it for 1 second and than go on to a 10 minute news story on how bad the US auto industry is.

Maybe GM should take ont a 10 minute ad on how bad ABC news is.

476 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:07:18pm

294- Wingfam

"We Wish You De-Capitation"
" Death to the World"
" Silent Night, Bloody Night"

And don't forget the ever-popular tunes:

"Jingle Bombs"
"Wreck the Halls"
"Grandma got blown up by a Camel"

477 [Engineer]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:07:45pm

#465 TotallySirius

They used to have a decommissioned B-58 right beside the XB-70 at the Aerospace Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton.

I knew the guy who flew that B-58 on its last flight to Wright-Patterson. He was retired out of the Air Force, but they asked him to do it and he jumped at the chance.

478 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:08:17pm

#472 Iron Fist

Might wake them up.

Doubtful, and Charles really has made his point about this matter.

479 ibrodsky  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:09:00pm

I'm old enough to remember left-wing Iranian students supporting the revolution that swept the Khomenei fascists to power. The Iranian leftists convinced themselves that Khomenei was just a "symbol." That is, until they returned home to firing squads.

(I tried to warn them, but they wouldn't listen.)

480 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:09:23pm

# 474 scooter

Can we force regime change ? Of course we can. If nothing else, we could vaporize the current regime. But the options are not good.

481 whiterasta  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:10:14pm

This thread is so perfect for today.

In the leftist shit-rag that comes to my door (My better half makes me subscribe, not my fault, ok?)
There is a hag in a bag going on about the festival of whatever it is so peaceful and fulfilling for her and how the local moosies get together with the local children's Aid Society and explains to kids how wonderful islam is.

Of course there is no chance of this incident being mentioned in the MSM. I hate those bastards.

482 TotallySirius  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:11:21pm

#477 [Engineer]

That would have been cool,from everything I've read,the Hustler was a dream to fly.

It was a big plane,but sitting beside the XB-70 made it look small.

483 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:11:22pm

The thing that's really disgusting is this is how they behave on vacation.

Like, you know, the last time I was in Rome I was struck by the masses of Latin American and Midwestern nuns with their close-order fascist drill, dedicatory martyr habits and polyphonic chants of "death to Sweden"...

485 easy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:12:14pm

Cato

One thing certain people noted and continue to complain about is seeing lots of guns at the airport.

Watched a local news cast a few months back. One reporter remarked on the number of armed La. Guardsmen pulling security in downtown New Orleans. The anchoress said, "Yea, creepy".
Yelled at her, as I wont to do, but she couldn't hear me through the TV.

486 mich-again  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:12:57pm

Just getting in and I wanted to make a quick on-topic comment. Whats a bit surprising about Iranians openly having a political demonstartion in Mecca is that there is some really bad history regarding exactly that sort of thing. From Wikipedia..

The Iranian pilgrim riot arose on July 31, 1987 from escalating tensions between Shiite Iran and Sunni Saudi Arabia.

For years, Iranian pilgrims had tried to stage political demonstrations in the Muslim holy city of Mecca during the hajj. On July 31, 1987, Iranian pilgrims tried to stage another political demostration but riot police broke it up with force. This resulted in 402 people killed (275 Iranians and 85 Saudi policemen) and 650 wounded. After the riot, Ruhollah Khomeini called for Muslims to avenge the pilgrims' deaths by overthrowing the Saudi royal family. The Saudi government blamed the riot on the Iranian pilgrims and claimed that the Iranian pilgrim riot was part of a plot to destabilize the Saudi regime.

On August 25, Saudi Arabia denounced Iran's government as a "group of terrorists".

Apparently now the two have teamed up with the "Death to America and Israel". But don't think for a minute that the Mullahs are friends of the Sauds. The feud could blow up again.

487 Powderfinger  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:13:43pm

#481 whiterasta

Of course there is no chance of this incident being mentioned in the MSM.

Fox has run it. Brit Hume did a report on it, I think.

I'll be surprised to see the alphabets report it.

488 LoFlyer  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:13:59pm

Totaly S, Saw the B-52 at Warner Robins AFB near Macon, GA. The Museum is great but nothing compared to the Wright-Dayton Museum. Would love to see a B-70. The SR-71 is nice though, and the Warner-Robins museum has one. The Mobile BB Alabama museum has a very nice YF-12 single seater. Very nice. The currator was talking about a 4 engine version of the SR-71. He swore it was true but I find it hard to believe. Personally I would pick the P-51 if I had the choice of taking a museum bird home with me, small and manuverable, it looks like a flying sports car compared to the big jets.

489 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:14:54pm

Marcus Vick will be playing Arena League with Maurice Clarett and Lawrence Philips.

Or the prison league.

490 TotallySirius  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:15:02pm

#484 Ed

He could be drafted and the team trade for Terrell Owens,Randy Moss,Rikki Willians and Peter Warrick.

All star,all criminal Offense.

They could use their mug shots for team pictures.

:-)

491 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:15:21pm

Wow,

Open Thread has this, a defused bomb at a Starbucks. Sounds maybe more like one of those anti-Global people, or a strange former disgruntled employee?

Starbucks

492 m  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:15:48pm

#467 Ann

Then you wouldn't know Madden either, that's who I hear when I read yours :) They're all from a morning radio show. Madden is just precious and Yankee Pete is the grumpy/luvable one- LOL.

/'ing girl talk 2 :~)

From the link:

Speaker: Today, the impure world Zionism, in the modern Age of ignorance, has emerged with the same (polytheistic) ideology, but with new methods. It wants to take over the fields of economy, of culture, and politics, as well as the military, throughout the world.

Are they a hoot, or what? Wants to take over? You can not make this stuff up.

It takes Satanic measures, and arouses the world's hatred towards this divine religion, and its true followers. We denounce these criminal acts. We call upon the world of Islam and the free peoples to take significant measures to thwart the Satanic policy of this camp.

Notice he did at least seperate the world of Islam and the free peoples. That's a plus.

493 jehu  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:17:13pm

#483 Cato

Wow! They are on Vacation, some of them saved their whole lives for this. Reminds me of that commercial out right now about Sandals Resorts:

Female voice singing "Some people wait a lifetime for moments like this." Camera showing couples dancing and such in romantic settings

Now we could put this into a commercial:

Imams voice singing "Some people wait a lifetime for moments like this." Camera pans back showing angry crowds chanting death to America and Israel. I see endless advertising oppourtunities.

494 whiterasta  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:17:22pm

American journalist kidnapped in Iraq.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

495 DesertSage  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:17:51pm

#466 hous bin pharteen

Chevy fans have been waiting for YEARS for the next generation Camaro.

That would be me!

I'm on the west coast, haven't seen the news yet. Any idea when it will go into production?
Will they have it at the LA Auto Show?

Oh yeah, the MSM sucks...

496 TotallySirius  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:18:15pm

#488 Lo

I'd take a Mustang or a Lightning or a Spitfire any day.

497 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:18:33pm

Ok, my favorite 1950s era nuclear capable bomber, mainly because when the USS Chuck Wagon (CVN-70) was in the North Arabian Sea, we had a electronic spook version of the plane aboard, flown by VQ-1 (The World-Watchers. Motto: In God We Trust, All Others we Monitor) with a semi-tongue and cheek inscription painted on the plane that said "property of the Smithsonian Institute", the A-3 Skywarrior.

498 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:19:10pm

# 488 LoFlyer

Come to DC, to the Air and Space Museum and the annex out by Dulles. See the best of the best.

499 zygazint  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:19:45pm

anyone else seen this circulating the web?

To Kill an American

You probably missed it in the rush of news last week, but there was actually a report that someone in Pakistan had published in a newspaper an offer of a reward to anyone who killed an American, any American.

So an Australian dentist wrote an editorial the following day to let everyone know what an American is, so they would know when they found one. (Good one, mate!)

" An American is English, or French, or Italian, Irish, German, Spanish, Polish, Russian or Greek. An American may also be Canadian, Mexican, African, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Australian, Iranian, Asian, or Arab, or Pakistani or Afghan.

An American may also be a Comanche, Cherokee, Osage, Blackfoot, Navaho, Apache, Seminole or one of the many other tribes known as native Americans.

An American is Christian, or he could be Jewish, or Buddhist, or Muslim.
In fact, there are more Muslims in America than in Afghanistan. The only difference is that in America they are free to worship as each of them chooses.

An American is also free to believe in no religion. For that he will answer only to God, not to the government, or to armed thugs claiming to speak for the government and for God.

An American lives in the most prosperous land in the history of the world.
The root of that prosperity can be found in the Declaration of Independence, which recognizes the God given right of each person to the pursuit of happiness.

An American is generous. Americans have helped out just about every other nation in the world in their time of need, never asking a thing in return.

When Afghanistan was over-run by the Soviet army 20 years ago, Americans came with arms and supplies to enable the people to win back their country!

As of the morning of September 11, Americans had given more than any other nation to the poor inAfghanistan . Americans welcome the best of everything...the best products, the best books, the best music, the best food, the best services. But they also welcome the least.

The national symbol of America , The Statue of Liberty , welcomes your tired and your poor, the wretched refuse of your teeming shores, the homeless, tempest tossed. These in fact are the people who built America .

Some of them were working in the Twin Towers the morning of September 11, 2001 earning a better life for their families. It's been told that the World Trade Center victims were from at least 30 different countries, cultures, and first languages, including those that aided and abetted the terrorists.

So you can try to kill an American if you must. Hitler did. So did General Tojo, and Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung, and other blood-thirsty tyrants in the world. But, in doing so you would just be killing yourself. Because Americans are not a particular people from a particular place. They are the embodiment of the human spirit of freedom. Everyone who holds to that spirit, everywhere, is an American.

Please keep this going!
Pass this around the World ?
then pass it around again.
It says it all , for all of us

500 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:19:51pm

Hey, Sage!

501 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:20:51pm

Not fair counting Ricky Williams- he is just a stoner into Eastern Mysticism.

No suggestion that he was ever violent, and since Vince Young is probably headed for the Tennessee Titans next year, he may be the last Longhorn Heisman winner for a while.

502 mich-again  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:20:57pm

466 hous bin pharteen

GM showed the concept car off at the Detroit car show. So what does ABC news do? Show it for 1 second

Hey Bro, you can go to the GM Fastlane Blog and see the car. And then you can leave a comment that Bob Lutz is sure to read sooner or later.

Its actually kind of refreshing to see that blog. A lot of the comments are negative but GM doesn't erase them. (They do vet them for content and language though..) I think Lutz wants to see where the passion is out there.

I visit there once in a while, but I never saw so many comments as there have been for the new Camaro. Lotta buzz.

503 Ann  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:21:11pm

#461 Cato the Elder

People of a fragile disposition don't like to be reminded that our peace and freedom (civil society, all the "fringe benefits" of life as opposed to the Hobbesian universe) require force to back them up. They're fine as long as the potential for enforcing violence is kept well hidden.

One woman at work shook her head and said that she hated all of these planes and helicopters. I said that I liked it. It meant that our Country is on it.

I was reminded about the kids who cried when we did the air raid drills in the 60's in elementary school. I wish I had kept track of them. I'm sure that they were at the war protests in the early '70's. And following Sheehan now.

504 daughter of patriots  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:21:27pm

#228 Ovidius

I believe "Ahmadinnerjacket" was birthed by Alone in NY. Its getting passed about alot, perhaps because it helps us remember the nutcase's name.

505 zygazint  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:23:40pm

Anytime something is taken to the outside world in the open by an evil is the same as getting the first shot in, in a fight.

For so long I have advocated doing what this demon is doing to the Jews, only doing it to all the Islamic distortions.

I believe this will probable prompt a "We will not dignify this" by those that are in positions of power in both the USA and especially in Israel and the UN!

I am personally sick of the "We will not dignify this or that" attitude which only allows more ignorant minds to be taken advantage of and not to sound redundant, allows ignorance itself to gain a heavy foothold in so many people.

Outrageous!

The lack of response is worse than the initiative from Satan.

IRAN: HOLOCAUST CONFERENCE SOON IN TEHRAN
[Link: www.adnki.com...]

506 ted  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:23:45pm

OT: Al-NY Times loses control of its bowels again:

Editorial

President Bush at Recess

Published: January 9, 2006

It is disturbing that President Bush has exhibited a grandiose vision of executive power that leaves little room for public debate, the concerns of the minority party or the supervisory powers of the courts. But it is just plain baffling to watch him take the same regal attitude toward a Congress in which his party holds solid majorities in both houses.

Seizing the opportunity presented by the Congressional holiday break, Mr. Bush announced 17 recess appointments - a constitutional gimmick that allows a president to appoint someone when Congress is in recess to a job that normally requires Senate approval. The appointee serves until the next round of Congressional elections.

This end run around Senate confirmation was built into the Constitution to allow the president to quickly fill vacancies that came up when lawmakers were out of town, to keep the government running smoothly in times when travelers and mail moved by horseback and Congress met part time.

Modern presidents have employed this power to place nominees who ran into political trouble in the Senate. Presidents Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton made scores of recess appointments. But both of them faced a Congress controlled by the opposition party, while the Senate has been under Republican control for Mr. Bush's entire five years in office.

In some cases, Mr. Bush has used the recess appointment power to rescue egregiously bad selections that would never pass muster on grounds of experience and competence. (Remember last year's recess appointment of the undiplomatic and Congressionally unacceptable John Bolton as ambassador to the United Nations.) In other cases, he has merely sought to avoid logjams that the White House created for itself by refusing to accommodate reasonable Democratic requests for information, documents and consultation.

Among those Mr. Bush unilaterally elevated to important posts this time around was Julie Myers, a government lawyer with ultrathin credentials whom Mr. Bush appointed to head the 15,000-person Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, the government's second largest investigative force.

Also on the list was Ellen Sauerbrey, the unqualified political crony Mr. Bush chose to head the billion-dollar-a-year State Department office that helps coordinate emergency relief efforts for refugees abroad, and whose nomination had stalled for just cause in the Foreign Relations Committee.

Mr. Bush also bypassed Senate hearings on a new deputy defense secretary and for three of the six seats on the Federal Election Commission. The election commission appointees include Hans von Spakovsky, a Justice Department lawyer who overrode the objection of career lawyers to gain approval of a Georgia voter identification plan almost certain to harm black voters.

The White House regularly accuses Senate Democrats of unfairly blocking the president's nominees, and it is true that one determined senator can freeze an appointment. But Mr. Bush's record in this area owes less to unreasonable Democrats than to the low caliber of some of his choices, his disinterest in bipartisan consensus and his aversion to any form of accountability, whether to the Senate, the courts or the public.

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507 scooter  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:23:50pm

#480 Mike C.

Can we force regime change ? Of course we can. If nothing else, we could vaporize the current regime. But the options are not good.

That's what distresses me about the situation. It's coming to a head quickly. Negotiations have come to naught. Why? True, the EU types are pussies, but why have we come to this point? We hear nothing from the diplomats other than the usual clucking.

Bush has allowed the EU to deal with Iran and the Asians to deal with NK. So what's the beef with American "unilateralism"? What have the others come up with? From where I'm sitting, as just a little idiot sitting here in the US, it looks as though 2006 is going to be one hot year.

508 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:23:57pm

#499 zygazint
Link please.

509 hyphen  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:24:37pm

#484 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

Absolutely. Marcus Vick has no class, a troublemaker. And way more arrogant than skillful. If I was an nfl owner, I'd make sure my team doesn't draft him.

510 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:25:25pm

504 daughter of patriots

Thanks, cannot wait to hear more wonderful variations of this nutcase's name. :)

511 zygazint  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:26:54pm
512 balljar  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:26:59pm

#zygazint: always check snopes.com with things like that

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

Back to the topic: how can anyone ever doubt that islam is the enemy of freedom?

How can anyone make apoligies for this cult?

513 prepka9  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:27:37pm
We believe (I believe) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, and born of the Father before all ages. (God of God) light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. And was incarnate of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary and was made man; was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, suffered and was buried; and the third day rose again according to the Scriptures. And ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, and shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of whose Kingdom there shall be no end. And (I believe) in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father (and the Son), who together with the Father and the Son is to be adored and glorified, who spoke by the Prophets. And one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We confess (I confess) one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for (I look for) the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen."
514 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:28:57pm

#511 zygazint
Did you read your own link?

(2/3/2003)
SAMPLE CHAIN LETTER TEXT
515 LoFlyer  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:30:07pm

I was hoping to get to the National air and space museum last year, but a back problem intervened. I will betired in about 5 years and I will get to it for sure then. Ed of many names, when I was in the Navy in the late 70's we still had the A-3D flying. It did not carry ejection seats so the A-3D was nick-named "all three dead" by the ground crews. Mostly they were flying tanking missions. An interesting aircraft, but I like the A-5 Vigilante better. Of course I never had to work on the things, so I have no idea which was the better plane. I think they both retired about the same time though.

516 zygazint  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:30:18pm

reganite- i love what is said in that letter- personally, i could care less who wrote it. It's true.

517 [Engineer]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:31:16pm

#506 ted

Please don't post entire articles. You can get Charles in big trouble since it is illegal. Post no more than three paragraphs and a link.

518 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:32:17pm

#516 zygazint

It's true.

You linked to breakthechain.com. Which shows it isn't true, as #512 balljar linked to snopes.

It's not true.

519 Ann  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:32:38pm

#492 m

Yankee Pete is the grumpy/luvable one- LOL.

Um, you nailed it. LOL!

520 LoFlyer  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:33:12pm

"betired" should be "be retired". And yes, I'll probably be tired by then.

521 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:33:23pm

# 507 scooter

Right now, unless a bunch of other countries surprisingly wake up, I don't see any really great options here. Other than truly Clintonesqe PR actions, it would take a very serious application of force to do anything. Just trying to keep the Silkworms off the daily gulf tanker traffic is far from a trivial matter, and I could easily see 30 % of the world's daily oil supply vanishing for 6 weeks to 6 months. Obviously the effects of that would not be good. This is a very tough one, and I sure hope vastly better minds than mine are working on a possible solution.

522 gus3  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:35:22pm

#505 zygazint:

If we do dignify it with a response, it should start with revoking all diplomatic immunity of all UN personnel, followed by immediate closure of the UN building.

Any UN employee not out of the country in 4 hours will be declared an illegal alien, and re-patriated to Antarctica (in June) or Greenland (in December).

523 zygazint  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:35:29pm

#518 reganite

It's a personal vision I call true. Every word in that letter rings 'true' for me. Nuff said, move on to someone else mr thought police, thanks buhbye, ihtgbtw.

524 daughter of patriots  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:36:00pm

#98 tradewind

Yep, I live there.

525 oh_dude  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:36:11pm

OT:

Stephen Hayes will be on Larry Elder shortly to discuss his latest Weekly Standard article regarding new evidence of Saddam Hussien's Terror Camps.

KABC 790AM

526 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:37:00pm

# 520 LoFlyer

Well, when you can get to it, do it. You won't regret it. Personally ? If your planning to visit DC, save at least 5 days just for the Smithsonian.

527 taterhead  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:37:17pm

#333,#335

It is a Catholic church. I will stay there, though I will probably track a few people down as to why they are sponsoring said seminar.
And you better believe the issue of taqiyya will be brought up. I am keeping track of points as in the subject of this thread and choice tasty bits from the book of barbarians.

528 m  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:38:12pm

I think zygazint means it's true that Americans are all those things and the things listed are what we do- not that the bad guys are using that as a profile.

/i think.
/mebbe

529 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:38:37pm

#523 zygazint

It's a personal vision I call true. Every word in that letter rings 'true' for me. Nuff said, move on to someone else mr thought police, thanks buhbye, ihtgbtw.

You link to a site that says it's not true. Another site (snopes) also says it's not true. But that makes it "true" for you?

Good luck on that.

530 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:38:51pm

This is a wide-ranging thread, so "OT" seems superfluous. But does anyone else like those new Geico commercials with the live lizards and the Gecko who's now got a thick, thick British accent? I think he's supposed to be a Liverpudlian.

531 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:40:00pm

# 523 zygazint

It's a personal vision I call true.

Let me take a wild guess here - not employed in the hard sciences, are you ?

532 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:40:29pm

527 taterhead

Bring a file of documentation!

533 Sharku  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:40:57pm

#530 Cato the Elder

Bud I think he is an Aussie not a Brit

534 Kafira  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:41:08pm

Dear Mister Imam of hatred and death:

Pork You.

535 The Other Les  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:41:55pm

Having just come off an appallingly slow day at Pizza Hut may I say Death To Islam.

536 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:42:40pm

530 Cato the Elder

No, I have yet to see that one. Those commercials are a hoot to me.

537 easy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:43:02pm

zygazint

I received the letter a while back. Regardless of the attribution I enjoyed the thoughts.
Did not enjoy the NYT editorial.

538 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:43:10pm

# 530 Karo the Syrup (I know, there I go again)

I love the lizard ! Although to be honest, I've never seen a green geko.

539 LoFlyer  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:43:25pm

Mike C, I agree 100 percent and will have the time to do it. If I had gone last year I think I would of gotten only a day for the entire Smithsonian. (We were only going to be in DC for two days before moving up the east coast). I just can't see spending more than a couple of days at a museum, it seems like you would get "burned out" after a couple of days.

540 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:43:44pm

#530 Cato the Elder

But does anyone else like those new Geico

I got that far. F*ck Geico. I will never send them another dime. I don't care what kind of rates they offer.

I had a wreck in 96 that the police said I was not at fault. F*cking Geico assigned me "insurance points" and made me pay them back for my claim. After 10 years of paying them premiums.

Geico will NEVER get another dime of my money.

541 Missouri Boy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:44:45pm

Why is islam(spit) still allowed in America or any civilized country , for that matter?

How many more must die at the hands of this cult,before the world (America)will do what ultimately has to be done?

I guess , for now , it is just a matter of time. If you don't own a gun and don't know how to use one,- think about it. Who is going to protect your family?

Questions got to be answered.

Missouri boy (buying ammo every week)

542 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:44:57pm

#533 Sharku

Bud I think he is an Aussie not a Brit

Brits have the lisp, not Aussies.

543 The Other Les  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:45:17pm

# 534 Kafira

Dear Mister Imam of hatred and death:

Pork You.


Ditto!

544 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:46:59pm

#475

LOL!

Maybe Dodge can do the same!

#495 Desert...

They are looking at 2009. I am sure there will be a few changes. I love the interior.
I saw it on the net, but wanted to see it on TV also. I think Chevy should have choose a better color than silver. Daytona Yellow, Hugger Orange, maybe Mulsanne Blue!

Rumors say 500 hp (vette engine)
Yowza!

Now if I can just talk my local Chevy dealer into giving me one for free to race I am all set!

#502 Mich...

There has been alot of buzz. That was all that was talked about at the GM show at Carlisle. I have a Z sitting in the garage that wants some company.


Automobile

The Dodge Challanger looks sweet also.

Challenger

We have the US auto companies acting like its 1967 again (Mustang,Camaro,Challenger) and its the Muscle Car era all over again and the MSM are totaly missing it. I will sell them a clue. The baby boomer men have money to spend on their toys now and the US automakers are poised to tap into it. The MSM is sleeping on the job. Maybe they should take out ads on LGF rather than ABC!

545 uptight  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:49:05pm

man: all the psychos in the house say "wooo"

crowd: wooo

546 gus3  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:49:31pm

zygazint:

It "rings true"? Gee, where have I heard that (marymapes) before?

/Mr. Subliminal i ain't

547 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:50:32pm

# 539 LoFlyer

Shhesh. Although it's been years since I've done it, it takes me a full day just to go through the gem and mineral collection in the Museum of Natural History. It's a geology thing, ya know. Good thing they only have about 1.5 % of the world's largest collection on display.

548 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:52:53pm
549 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:52:58pm

Also to bash ABC some more. Foreign car companies do not have to worry about the healthcare costs and retirements of their employees. They are socialists and government paid. US companies have to pay it. So the foreign companies have an advantage. Go investigate that morons.

Maybe the US should put a tarif on those cars in the same amount to level the playing field.

550 Orson Buggy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:54:12pm

For all you cat lovers.

551 m  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:54:40pm

#546 gus3

Seriously. It rings true for me to except for the

So an Australian dentist wrote an editorial the following day to let everyone know what an American is, so they would know when they found one.

part. Please read it. z wasn't clear with the comments but it's all good things and characteristics of Americans. I don't think he/she really believes that was a description of Americans put out by the bad guys. First of all, most islamonazi's won't admit any of that stuff.

552 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:55:14pm

# 548 AI

Where've you been ? And frankly, I always suspected one of those no caffine, double mocha lattes would blow up one of these days.

553 rightymouse  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:55:24pm

#549 hous bin pharteen

I may get people mad, but I say get rid of the UAW for a start.

554 easy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:55:39pm

Jump school on the Military Channel.

My first "jump" was out of a C-141. No need to jump actually, just step outside on the little platform and off you go. I can still remember he warmth of the jet's blast.

Though I was a goner though. When I went to check my canopy it was laying across my eyes. Actually it was the cameo cover from my steel pot that had blown out. Didn't get to see a thing but the ground.

Second "jump" was out of a C-119. I was stick leader and was standing at the door. Didn't have to look at the light though because I felt the Jump Master's foot in the small of my back.

AIRBORNE

555 Ann  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:55:54pm

#548 American Infidel

EXPLOSIVE DEVICE FOUND IN SAN FRANCISCSO STARBUCK'S...

Now, who would want to hurt, scare, or torture moonbats in such a way? !

556 Sarah D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:57:16pm
EXPLOSIVE DEVICE FOUND IN SAN FRANCISCSO STARBUCK'S...

Michael Moore is at Starbucks?

557 m  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:57:27pm

#555 Ann

Somebody didn't read the LLL manual. It distinctly says that starbucks is the only capitalist dawg that is exempt from such things!

558 rightymouse  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:57:56pm

#548 American Infidel

Saw that on another thread. Not much is known yet.

#550 Orson Buggy

Linky no worky.

Was that a pic of the one-eyed kitty that was born without a nose and died the same day?

559 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:58:01pm

# 549 hbp

Uh, isn't GM just about to go broke for that very thing ?

560 Cartman  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:58:14pm

#461 Cato

People of a fragile disposition don't like to be reminded that our peace and freedom (civil society, all the "fringe benefits" of life as opposed to the Hobbesian universe) require force to back them up. They're fine as long as the potential for enforcing violence is kept well hidden.

Excuse me, but aren't they French benefits? ;-)

561 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:58:36pm

#556 Sarah D.

Michael Moore is at Starbucks?

No, no, no, that would be explosive diarrhea of the mouth.

562 gus3  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:58:56pm

#551 m:

Don't underestimate Australian dentists. But that's not the point. Careless inattention to the obvious is the point.

563 Orson Buggy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:58:59pm

#555 Ann

ROP's way of sayin' thanks?

564 m  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 2:59:05pm
Was that a pic of the one-eyed kitty that was born without a nose and died the same day?

Oh, I hope not :( and I am not even a cat person.

565 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:00:41pm

Wow, reaganite, that's a bad insurance story.

I've been with State Farm since I was a kid. Probably not the best rates available but the agent is the son of the guy who first insured me, and he knows my name if I have to call him. For me, business is best done on a personal basis.

I just like geckos, is all.

566 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:02:05pm

#565 Cato the Elder

I've been with State Farm since I was a kid.

I've been very happy with USAA since I shit canned Geico.

567 rightymouse  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:02:49pm

#564 m

The pic is at Drudge. I love cats (especially kittens). Had tears this morning when I saw the little darling.

568 lowandslow  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:04:17pm

Speaking of bombers and urban legends. I got this in my email the other day, don't know if it's true but a good story none the less.

THIS SHOULD WARM EVERY JET JOCKEY'S HEART.

A story from a U.S. Soldier somewhere in Afghanistan:

"So we are up in the mountains at about 0100 hrs looking for a bad guy that we thought was in the area. Here are ten of us, pitch black, crystal clear night, about 25 degrees. We know there are bad guys in the area; a few shots have been fired but no big deal.

We decide that we need air cover and the only thing in the area is a solo B-1 bomber. He flies around at about 20,000 feet and tells us there is nothing in the area. He then asks if we would like a low level show of force. Stupid question. Of course we tell him yes.

The controller who is attached to the team then is heard talking to the pilot. Pilot asks if we want it subsonic or supersonic. Very stupid question. Pilot advises he is twenty miles out and stand by.

The controller gets us all sitting down in a line and points out the proper location. You have to picture this. Pitch black, ten killers sitting down, dead quiet and overlooking this about 30 mile long valley.

All of a sudden, way out (below our level) you see a set of four 200' white flames coming at us. The controller says, "Ah-- guys-- you might want to plug your ears". Faster
than you can think a B-1, supersonic, 1000' over our heads, blasts the sound barrier and it feels like God just hit you in the head with a hammer". He then stands it straight up with 4 white trails of flame coming out and disappears."

Cost of gas for that:
Probably $50,000
Hearing damage: For certain
Bunch of Taliban thinking twice about shooting at us: Priceless

Have a nice day!

569 Sarah D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:04:55pm

#566 reaganite

I shitcanned USAA - after they messed up my policy several times.

570 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:05:56pm
571 Ann  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:06:00pm

#557 m

starbucks is the only capitalist dawg that is exempt from such things!

It has to be the evangelical right-wing conspiracists!

#563 Orson Buggy

ROP's way of sayin' thanks?

Why them... Oh, yes! Go for those who will be most afraid!

{slaps head!}

572 Kafira  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:07:46pm

Tater Head.. ask if Robert Spencer could be invited to the taquyiia fest. Please, prepare yourself with questions for the 'esteemed' speaker. Ask him to explain and define the meanings of the words "Taquiyya" and "Kitman", and how they have been and are currently being used in the cult of islam.. Be prepared to quote from the unholy, filty Koran.. Quote the sura's which clearly call for the elimination of all infidels; the sura's which call Jews AND Christians the sons of monkeys and pigs.. ask the 'esteemed' speaker to splain the verses in the Koran to YOUR satisfaction.

That oughta get a good Christian audience to participate with questions, or at least get an ear. [Link: www.jihadwatch.com...] [Link: www.dhimmiwatch.com...] Emails: Director@Jihadwatch.com

573 bonz  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:07:49pm

And who owns Geico? Berkshire Hathaway. And who runs Berkshire Hathaway? Warren Buffet. A struggling common man democrat.

574 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:09:03pm

# 569 Sarah D.

I've got Geico on The Mighty Geo, and they have always been very nice to me. 'Course, if I total it, what are they out, 5 bucks and cab fare ?

575 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:09:25pm

#568 lowandslow

don't know if it's true but a good story none the less.

A stretch...

576 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:09:35pm

#533 Righty..
#559 Mike C..

The health care and retirement plans are killing them. The auto worker unions were responsible yes. But GM and Ford and Chrysler agreed to the plans. My point is not to argue it here on LGF. I do not know all the details. My point is that if ABC was a legit news service they could certainly do a report showing all the sides in a fair way and educate the public. But no, they gotta go with the US auto companies suck and are going out of business while the foreign companies are great. They interviewed some union worker who said he wouldnt advise his kids to go to work at any of the Detroit auto plants because the employment outlook looked so bleak. Of course it never dawned on him that he was part of the problem. I do not know of any industry that was heavily unionized that has not gone pretty much belly up as far as what they used to be. Railroads, Steel industry, textiles, etc.

577 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:10:14pm

#569 Sarah D.

I shitcanned USAA - after they messed up my policy several times.

So far, they've done great by me.

578 Kafira  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:11:04pm

#569 Sarah D. OMG you did NOT can USAA? Did you? Hope it wasn't a Homeowner's policy, babe. They're the best in service.. And, you can't get a good HO policy in FL to save your life. What was it.. premium, service, or both? ... Or the dreaded, Auto?

579 Orson Buggy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:11:08pm

I use Safeco. If you are gonna get screwed, and with insurance companies you will, might as well be safe too!

Rates are great if you hav a clean record.

580 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:11:54pm

#574 Mike C.

I've got Geico on The Mighty Geo, and they have always been very nice to me.

As long as you don't make a claim. They raised my rates 180% for an accident the police said wasn't my fault.

581 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:13:21pm

# 570 AI

Hah ! Beat you ! Got the Christmas decorations packed fully away Saturday. Tomorrow, though, is going to be a tougher nut to crack - have to set up the new 'puter before assisting in getting the 89 year-old mother-in-law to the dentist. Not a trivial task, what with the oxygen tank and all. And then, of course, I have to cook dinner, clean up and the other normal things.

582 Ol' flyboy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:15:13pm

I've had USAA since 1967...never had a problem, even with two kids learning to drive.

583 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:18:06pm
584 quark2  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:18:53pm

We've got Foremost policy on the house, it's owned by Lloyds of Texas. They were fast and efficient on our hurricane damage. And no increase in our rates.

585 Kafira  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:19:51pm

Without having to scroll through and read lotsa posts (after 3 beers), can someone tell me how USAA got into this? I know the GEICO gecko is a bad lil lizard, and a commercial icon, but seriously.

Who hates USAA, and why? I humbly ask this cause there are a ton o lizards that must be eligible for coverage through them. They are military owned and operated. When I worked there, I had to learn the alpha calls .. like "alpha, bravo, charley, delta,".. I was a young pup then, but now I'm old and sperienced, so I would like to know what's wrong with USAA.
Thanks for your time :o)

586 Crimsonfisted  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:20:13pm

Nothing on Foxnews website yet about Starbucks.

587 Sarah D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:21:20pm

#577 reaganite

Make very very sure if and when you move that you are getting your policy and that it has been changed accordingly. Those morons screwed up my policy every single time - and half my family worked there - it's not like I didn't know procedure.

At one time they were sending me premiums for two different states!

588 Sarah D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:22:57pm

#578 Kafira

Had no problem getting homeowners here, at all. And, my auto through Travelers is cheaper than it was through USAA.

They are idiots. Sorry.

589 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:23:01pm

#587 Sarah D.

At one time they were sending me premiums for two different states!

All I know is they are infinitely better than Geico.

I was more than satisfied when I got rear ended last year.

590 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:24:44pm

Oh Shut UP! It was my truck!

591 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:24:46pm

# 583 AI

Well, it's not that major a production here. For one thing, I don't do outside stuff at all anymore. But you're right - everything has to be wrapped to prevent damage, it all has to be fit back into the storage containers, and it is generally a depressing job. I ALWAYS do that by myself. I don't want any help or even anyone else around while I'm doing that. Decorating is still pretty much a family thing here, but the undecorating is mine and mine alone.

592 rightymouse  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:24:46pm

#589 reaganite

"I was more than satisfied when I got rear ended last year."

Alrighty then! LOL!

593 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:25:32pm

#592 rightymouse
See my #590!

594 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:26:06pm

I have USAA also.

595 Sarah D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:27:11pm

#589 reaganite

I got rear-ended when I had USAA. The gal handling my claim was so rude to the body shop that when I dropped the car off they told me they weren't able to do the work. She had apparently told them that she "wasn't sure" if it would be covered? Like what?

Because I knew a lot of people working at USAA I called one and got her manager on the phone, who immediately called the body shop and smoothed it all out.

Did I need that headache? No. They did end up paying for it though.

596 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:27:18pm

# 589 reaganite

Uh, just how well do you know that insurance agent ?

597 ovidius  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:27:22pm

# 230 Cato:

Not too bad, Catone--thanks for asking--though it's full winter around here, with heavy snow storms, and all I can do is mourn my exile among the barbarians, and care for the two stray cats I took inside for I couldn't contemplate the possibility they might become food for the coyotes--sorry, woolves--howling in the night.

Seriously, I'm trying to find out more about an incident that apparently happened at Tookie's vigil between Jesse J. and/or one of his accolites (Judge Mathis), and a local radio reporter, John Ziegler.
Zombie has nothing about it in his excellent coverage of the event.
Did any of the Lizards hear/saw/read anything that suggests that one of Jesse's first-line-of-defense robots attacked or otherwise prevented the reporter from doing his job when the questioning got tough?
It's importatnt for reasons I can't disclose right now.

I'd appreciate any help from the Lizard community.

Ever happy to hear from you,
"Young" Ovidius

598 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:27:29pm

Somebody laid a bomb in a $4-Bucks? Wow!

599 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:27:47pm

Hey Righty!

600 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:28:43pm

#595 Sarah D.

Did I need that headache?

It took one phone call to get my truck fixed. Zero problems.

601 rightymouse  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:29:28pm

#593 reaganite

You were faster at clarifying than I was cracking up and trying to type at the same time. HAR!

#599 St. Pancake

Evening!

602 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:29:57pm

#596 Mike C.
I refer you to my #590.

I knew I was screwed as soon as I hit "post this comment"...

603 Baldy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:30:00pm

Good. Make it easier to bomb the heck out of that country. Been waiting since 1979.

604 Kafira  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:30:28pm

Sorry to hear that, Sarah.. As an Insurance Claims Director, I'm always curious to hear reasons for abandonment of policies. Was it one adjuster in particular? Me, I had trouble getting HO insurance after I moved; since I've been a member since '86 I was OK. However, some fat ass kid slipped and fell off my spa and into my pool which resulted in a large loss of blood, but no permanent injuries. When I learned that USAA offered the little freak $15k for the so called "loss of his summer vacation" I had some claim people over here to seriously discuss the disbursement of member owned funds to recipients that were not entitled. They have since rescinded that generous offer and we proceed with defense. USAA.. They listen to their members.

605 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:31:04pm

#601 rightymouse

You were faster at clarifying than I was cracking up and trying to type at the same time. HAR!

I wish I was fast enough to not post that kind of comment!

606 Sarah D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:31:30pm

I don't even want to get into the windshield issue with USAA. Ugh.

Good riddance.

607 St. Pancake  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:31:34pm

If there is anyone who is not sick of Chutch, here is another weird update. Remember, that jackal claims to have been a one-time member of the Weathermen, and also claimed to have injured a policeman. Anyway, this pathological liar has been called on the carpet again.

The Weather Underground and Ward Churchill-UPDATED!

608 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:31:56pm

USAA has been pretty good for me. All my insurance is through them. They were very attentive and helpful when the Cedar fire swept through here. Lots of vets in the area and they had the same experience.

However, I do know several who have gone over to Armed Forces Insurance and saved money on their homeowners policy. They won't insure my place.

609 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:32:06pm

Ya gotta love this media - you type something up, hit send, and then it's out there for all eternity. Right, reaganite ? Heh. Double-heh.

BTW, if it wasn't for the fact that I'm going to trash this thing tomorrow, you'd owe me a new keyboard. Heh.

610 scooter  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:32:44pm

#521 Mike C.

I could easily see 30 % of the world's daily oil supply vanishing for 6 weeks to 6 months. Obviously the effects of that would not be good. This is a very tough one, and I sure hope vastly better minds than mine are working on a possible solution.

Yeah, I think the pundits are skating on thin ice, trying not to frighten people. INOW, they don't know what to expect. The normal hurricane cycle/sequence will occur, but I think we will experience an additional impact with the situation in Iran.

As we train Iraqis and rotate our troops out of Iraq, one can only think that they will be deployed elsewhere.

JMHO, but I think we will be focusing our efforts elsewhere in the ME shortly. And crude will be hitting all time highs.

611 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:33:29pm

#609 Mike C.

BTW, if it wasn't for the fact that I'm going to trash this thing tomorrow, you'd owe me a new keyboard.

You wait, I'm gunning for your new one!

612 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:34:57pm

I've found with insurance companies, it's far more effective to march into their regional office than it is to work from the phone.

People get a whole lot more cooperative and sweeter natured when you hang up the phone and show up at their office.

Works every time for me.

613 Sarah D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:35:43pm

#604 Kafira

And the online policy thing? They never did get that right. I specifically set it up as I was traveling a lot and wouldn't be getting my mail. Not once did I get an email notification, not once.

They DID however manage to find my email address when they were going to discontinue the policy as I hadn't paid the bill. Felt good to tell them to kiss my ass.

614 Crimsonfisted  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:36:40pm

#597 O
Here is a start from Michelle Malkin's site:A reader writes
the show was probably taped too.

615 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:36:56pm

# 611 reaganite

Well, if it will take your mind off the rear-ending business, I'll stand for that. Heh.

616 rightymouse  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:36:56pm

#602 reaganite

"I knew I was screwed as soon as I hit "post this comment"..."

LMAO!

/sorry

617 Kafira  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:37:47pm

Oh, Natalie.. you are SO RIGHT!

time to put my little guy to bed, so good night to all.

618 Jimbob  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:38:15pm

OT
I have been reading this board for a couple years but rarely post. I am writing this time on behalf of a family friend. They are going crazy because their daughter just met an Egyptian man (“Edward”, nice Egyptian name) over the internet, and she is dead set on taking her tax refund and going there to meet him. She says he is very nice and told her all she needs to do to set up the trip. As you might guess this woman is dumb as a box of rocks. Personally I couldn’t give a damn what this freak does, but her mother and father are friends and they are worried. People on this board seem to have a rich knowledge and library of internet resources. I am asking for help to locate information that may be passed along to this dumb ass to let her know what she may be in for.

619 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:39:16pm

#615 Mike C.
#616 rightymouse

That's it, if you guys bust on me 10 or 11 more times, I'm out of here!

/guess which movie...

620 ovidius  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:39:56pm

# 504 daughter

Thanks for the clarification. There are many other coinages that Lizardoids can be credited with, I'm sure. They're just too damn bright and witty. Which is one more reason to put to rest claims that this is a "hate site."
Keep churning out good words, Lizards,. They're a sign of mental accuity, of the "little gray cells" working, while our Muslim enemies exist and speak by rote or by deception.

621 Baldy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:40:12pm

remember, the OIC just had a NATO-like self-defense clause signed over Iran. ANY attack on an OIC will be met jointly by all OIC countries. The Muslim world itself has become the axis of evil, as it pledges support for Iran etc.

622 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:41:47pm

#618 JimBob,

Not sure what the nature of the fear entails, but you can try this...

Gov't Internet Fraud Assistance

623 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:43:26pm

#509 hyphen
#484 Ed Mahmoud

In my humble opinion, Vick's faults prior to this incident were minor RELATIVE to the assaults, kidnappings, fraud, rape, etc. that I have seen charged to other athletes, but the point is that they were major compared to regular, decent society. What I'm trying to say is that I've seen other football stars get away with far worse behaviour than Vick got canned from the Hokies for, and for that I am very, very proud of Beamer for showing such standards.

624 bonz  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:45:50pm

#607 St. Pancake
I remember the Days of Rage. My dad worked with Bill Ayres dad. We witnessed some of the problems stemming from the Democratic Convention. I suppose I could claim I took part in those demonstrations as I saw them and suffered a stink bomb in the Conrad Hilton.

625 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:46:13pm

Okay, I guess I've stomped on poor old crippled reaganite enough for one night (?) and obviously I'm going to grow old (?) and die before there's an Alito thread, so I'm bailing out. But rightymouse ? Feel free to keep sticking it to him. Er, so to speak, that is.

626 rightymouse  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:46:56pm

#619 reaganite

"That's it, if you guys bust on me 10 or 11 more times, I'm out of here!

/guess which movie..."


Peyton Place?

627 Sharku  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:47:10pm

#618 Jimbob

1. Have your friend get a burlap sack and force his daughter to wear it.

2. Then he needs to beat her a couple of times yelling Allahu Akbar.

3. Repeat until she gets the idea.

628 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:48:17pm

#626 rightymouse

Peyton Place?

Nope.

629 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:49:13pm

#623 Silhouette,

I never knew much about Frank Beamer, but in my eyes getting rid of Vick was the right decision.

Virginia Tech will be much better in the long-run for it - reputation and otherwise. Thank God for people with a clear head like Beamer. That and I think Vick was highly overrated anyway.

Look how long it to Miami to recover from their bad behavior. They had some major recruiting problems for 4-5 years following the early 90's success at Convict U. OU can attest to not dealing with bad behavior as well after the Barry Switzer years. It took them 10 years to recover to a national power again.

630 rightymouse  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:49:46pm

#628 reaganite

Well?

631 Baldy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:50:33pm

618 JimBob - American woman goes to visit Muslim husband's family - kept from leaving. She is now his property. It's an older movie, about Iran, but same applies to any Muslim country, IMO. MANY American women are trapped in Muslim countries, held as sex slaves by their "husbands."

632 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:51:10pm

#630 rightymouse

Well?

You and Ann always want the easy answer!

633 raidergirl  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:53:03pm

#619 reagenite, just a guess, probably a mob movie like Goodfellas?

634 rightymouse  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:54:22pm

#632 reaganite

Well, I could go look it up, but I'm busy eating chicken stew with dumplings.

635 Cartman  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:54:34pm

#620 ovidius

Which is one more reason to put to rest claims that this is a "hate site."

Oh, make no mistake - this is a hate site. We hate political ignorance, formulated deception, misrepresentation of the factual, Islamic fundamentalism hiding 'neath the burkha of fatwah, and widespread dhimmitude in general. I'm just warmin' up here, but I'll defer to the community sentiment.

636 bonz  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:54:45pm

#618 Jimbob
Red flags all over this. He's most likely interested in getting out of Egypt and he's got a live one on the line. After they've married they come to America and it's over as far as he's concerned.

637 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:54:57pm

#633 raidergirl

probably a mob movie like Goodfellas?

Nope, think really dumb...

638 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:55:12pm

#618 JimBob

6 words - Muriel Degauque: Female European Suicide Bomber

Excerpt -

Muriel moved from Charleroi to Brussels, which has a large Islamic community. She married and divorced a Turkish man, and had a long relationship with an Algerian, who converted her to Islam in 2001. Three years ago she married Issam Goris, who was born in Belgium to Moroccan parents, and followed him to Morocco.

“They told us that they had a house in Morocco and some horses, and a Mercedes and three motorbikes. We never found out whether it was true,” said her mother, who blames Goris for brainwashing her daughter. When Muriel returned to Belgium, her mother no longer recognised her. She had become “more Muslim than Muslim”, she said. “The religion was totally ingrained in her. She only lived for that.”

639 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:55:31pm

#681 Jimbob

A page from the legend, Daniel Pipes:

Advice to Non-Muslim Women against Marrying Muslim Men

Of course, visiting isn't marrying, but I'll leave it to you to decide how applicable.

It notes that nothing less than the US State Department warned against it.

640 Orson Buggy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:55:46pm

#629 goodbye_natalie

the Blazers suck ass and will for awhile, due to many players in trouble with the law. For awhile they were the jailblazers.

It lost them a lot of community support.

641 Robert D  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:57:31pm

#637 reaganite

and dumber?

642 easy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:57:32pm

#631 Baldy

That was my first reaction, once she goes she may not get back. Saw similar problems in west Africa much less the middle east.
Once they get a hold of the passport the only recourse is to try and get to an embassy.

643 scooter  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:58:17pm

#618 Jimbob

I am asking for help to locate information that may be passed along to this dumb ass to let her know what she may be in for.

Here's the poop, Jimmbob. Someone needs to get in this chick's face and give her a dose of reality as I did with my younger sister.

She was "madly in love" with some shit-ass named 'Imad'. He was Saudi, lived on the "Gold Coast" in Chicago and beat her regularly. I saw the place in which they lived. My sister was a prisoner, and one stupid bitch.

I told her to pick up her belongings, pack it in and get the ph$ck out of there. Fortunately she did. And fortunately before the schmuck returned to the apartment.

Happy ending to this miserable story? Maybe. My sis married a nice American chap. they have a bunch of kids, and I cannot attest to their happiness...My job was done.

644 rightymouse  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:58:17pm

#637 reaganite

Dumb and Dumber?

645 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:58:50pm

#641 Robert D

and dumber?

Don't call me squeak! Ok, little bitch...

646 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 3:59:57pm

#644 rightymouse

Dumb and Dumber?

Nope...

647 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:00:54pm

#643 scooter -

I hope she has thanked you.

648 Cartman  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:01:14pm

#635 My PIMF

"Fatwa", and I most likely should have substituted/included sharia in making my point.

649 Anabel  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:02:06pm
So if military action against Iran is ruled out, so too are sanctions. Russia and China will veto any move by America, Great Britain and France to slap sanctions on Iran. The situation could hardly be grimmer, though few in the West seem to realise it.

The Crisis facing the Middle East

650 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:02:17pm

#629 goodbye natalie

When Beamer first arrived and VT went from a humdrum football team to consistently playing at top 25 level, the Hokies had a big problem with crimes, and big ones at that. The joke was that the local police station was the Hokie Pokey. Lately, Beamer seems to have figured out somewhat how to keep them in line.

651 raidergirl  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:02:47pm

#646 reaganite, I thought dumb & dumber too. How about another hint?

652 Baldy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:03:17pm

JimBob No Western woman should ever marry a Muslim. ESPECIALLY a foreign born one. They could be trapped in sharia hell. I know you didn't mention marriage, but my two links have some info on foreign Muslim men & how they treat (American) women. Rep Dan Burton has also dealt with the issue of (Pat?) Roush, who was trapped in Saudi Arabia.

653 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:04:32pm

#651 raidergirl

How about another hint?

I gave two in #645!

654 Robert D  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:05:01pm

Juan Williams is going to lose his L³ card. He just agreed on every point with Bill O'Reilly about Harry Belefonty. Strange indeed...

655 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:05:25pm

#652 Baldy

Eighty one per cent of married women have experienced domestic violence in their first year of marriage.

Another one of those tiny minorities.

656 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:08:24pm
657 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:08:48pm
658 Robert D  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:08:49pm

#645 reaganite

At first I thought you were calling me a little bitch. Then I thought, big deal if he is, it's better than some of the things you've called me ;-)

659 scooter  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:09:25pm

#647 karmic_inquisitor

I hope she has thanked you.

No way, man. As things turned out, I should have sold her off to white slavery.

Just one of those ph$ck all situations...like why did I even bother. Whatever.

660 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:10:57pm

#656 Iron Fist

Michale Moore?

*Sigh* No!

Last hint.

Dude! DUDE! Dude! dude! Dude...

661 rightymouse  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:11:24pm

#653 reaganite

Is this the one?

"Kim: Don’t call me Squeak!
Mulder: Whatever, bitch. Get ta steppin!"

662 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:12:16pm

#658 Robert D

Then I thought, big deal if he is, it's better than some of the things you've called me ;-)

It's the movie!

What have I called you?

663 Robert D  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:12:45pm

#660

where's my car

664 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:13:15pm

#661 rightymouse

Is this the one?

LOL, no! What the hell is that?

665 Baldy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:13:34pm

642 easy - I hate to be prejudiced, but against sharia, I am. Even in "moderate" (or secular) Muslims countries, sharia is still used in family cases, IIRC. I wish Americans (women in particular) knew that sharia, not Alito, is more dangerous to their well-being.

666 Robert D  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:13:51pm

#662 reaganite

Just a failed attempt at humor.

667 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:14:21pm

#663 Robert D

where's my car

No! That would be: Dude! Sweet!...

668 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:14:24pm
#652 Baldy
Eighty one per cent of married women have experienced domestic violence in their first year of marriage.

But what about the married men?

/this statistic is vague

669 Robert D  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:14:38pm

Shit! now look what you made me do...

670 Merovign  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:15:16pm

#618 Jimbob

There are numerous stories of what actually happens when this "process" of lure and forced conversion is completed.

You might want to talk about female circumcision, and

And from Faith Freedom, a section on Women and Islam:

Faith Freedom Internation on Women and Islam

And talk about apostasy, and before she asks "Edwaed" about all these things, talk to her about Taqiyya.

If she doesn't get it then, she never will. And I mean never.

671 raidergirl  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:15:45pm

reaganite #667, is it maybe Fast Times at Ridgemont High?

672 michael moore's coffin  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:16:09pm
673 rightymouse  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:16:21pm

#664 reaganite

"An ALL-NEW Sliders/Voyager/X-files/Spider-Man Crossover!
"Sell-out."
By Jesse Glaspey.
Note: This story takes place after "What the Hell" And during a point of
Spider-Man’s career when the Comic was selling.

PART 4: NIPPLAGE, NIPPLAGE, NIPPLAGE!
Jesse: When last we saw our heroes. They had split up to find the
minions and try to save earth. Spider-Man, Maggie, Torres and Taja
had encountered (Actually more like stumbled) Dr. Doom and Buffy’s
perennial punching bag The Vessel! And The fight was leaning
towards Doom (only because Spidey was more interested in Taja’s
‘assets’) when Buffy: Vampire Slayer saved the day! By the way...
Isn’t it kind of humiliating that Buffy, a high schooler, beat up
one of the most feared villains in the world? Buffy beat up a big
guy wearing ARMOR?"

[Link: www.slightlywarped.com...]

Search for the key words. :)

674 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:16:42pm

Last hint...

675 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:17:48pm

#671 raidergirl

is it maybe Fast Times at Ridgemont High?

No!

676 Baldy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:17:51pm

Reaganite is referring to this classic film. I've tried watching it several times, and can strabgely never recall the plot's twists. It has powers over the mind. What is it? Dancing? Martial Arts? Gymnastics?

677 J.D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:18:24pm

Baseketball.

678 raidergirl  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:18:31pm

#674 reaganite, Captain Ron!

679 J.D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:18:55pm

I never saw it!

680 rightymouse  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:19:15pm

Reaganite! Dude!

BASKETBALL?

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

681 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:20:31pm

#676 Baldy
Wrong!

682 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:21:00pm

#677 J.D.
We have a winner!

683 rightymouse  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:21:27pm

Dang it! Baldy and J.D. beat me too it.

684 J.D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:22:04pm

Well, I have seen part of it...

The title was in the link you posted, reaganite.

I'm bad for jumping in. Bad. Bad. Bad.

/sorry

685 [Engineer]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:22:30pm

#618 Jimbob

They are going crazy because their daughter just met an Egyptian man (“Edward”, nice Egyptian name) over the internet, and she is dead set on taking her tax refund and going there to meet him.

Print this out and give to them:
EPIDEMIOLOGY OF
FEMALE SEXUAL CASTRATION
IN CAIRO, EGYPT

Some samples:

In this study, a majority of women reported being subjected, at least once, to genital mutilations. Almost 8 out of 10 (81.6%) Egyptian women reported being subjected to genital mutilations.

...

I have personally observed over 100 completed female genital mutilations with photographic documentation. The genital mutilation technique almost always involves the removal of the clitoris and labia minora and to a lesser extent slashing the labia majora when it is bulky and protruding.

If she wants to stay unmutilated, don't marry an Egyptian.

686 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:24:31pm

#684 J.D.

The title was in the link you posted, reaganite.

As sson as I hit post I looked. Shit!

Anyway, I've been introducing Ann to classic movies like this one!

687 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:24:47pm

#668 Amalie

Since that statistic is about Iran, I would guess the men aren't equally abused.

688 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:25:09pm

Ovidius, what's the buzz? I didn't know Judge Mathis was a Jesse acolyte. Judge Joe Brown is my guy.

It's amazing the stuff you'll watch during a recuperation.

689 Baldy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:25:33pm

Amalie - There is an American I see once in a while. She is a Muslim convert. Wears the whole chador (is that the term) thing. I cringe when I see her. I can't understand (besides love) why a Western woman would convert to Islam. It is dangerous. The US govt will not protect you. Just as I will never go to a Muslim country, or even fly over one. I am like pearls...

690 Cartman  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:27:21pm

#654 Robert

Juan Williams is going to lose his L³ card. He just agreed on every point with Bill O'Reilly about Harry Belefonty. Strange indeed...

For what it's worth, Harry Belafonte appears to be the reincarnation of a slave trapped in a free man's body.

691 J.D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:28:07pm

#686 reaganite
Does she share your taste in movies?

692 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:29:03pm

#691 J.D.

Does she share your taste in movies?

What do you think? LOL!

693 J.D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:29:26pm

I guess I should comment on the topic.

But there's nothing left to say!

694 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:29:56pm

Sorry... LONG DAY ... LONG DAY

Then the statistic is TOO LOW...

695 Paul  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:30:29pm

Death, chop, death, chop, death, chop, chop, death, death, death...sounds just like a typical day of pilgrimage at Lourdes or Vatican City.

696 Cartman  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:31:05pm
If she wants to stay unmutilated, don't marry an Egyptian.

Gives a whole new meaning to the Bangles song Walk Like An Egyptian?

697 razorbacker  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:31:18pm

672 Michael Moore's Coffin

Near as I can make out, it means that I should quit posting.

Now.

698 Baldy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:31:24pm

681 reaganite - I know. It's just one of my favorites...

699 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:31:29pm

Another fine example of life in Islam for a woman:

Tehran, Iran, Jan. 07 – An Iranian court has sentenced a teenage rape victim to death by hanging after she weepingly confessed that she had unintentionally killed a man who had tried to rape both her and her niece.

link

after the three men started to throw stones at them, the two girls’ boyfriends quickly escaped on their motorbikes leaving the pair helpless

Nice guys.

700 godfrey  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:32:21pm

Evening, lizards. What fresh horrors are there today? Ah, female mutilation again. Death to America? Check. I see the a link to the Hamas charter. What delightful reading it is. Who knew the Rotary Club was teeming with infidel spies? I'll buy bulk at their next bake sale. My only regret this news day was that I was at a meeting during the time Ted Kennedy awed the room with his eloquence and sobriety.

701 Cartman  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:32:53pm

#695 Paul

Was that meant to be "funny"?

702 J.D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:33:16pm

#692 reaganite
75%?

Are you hooked on gangster movies? Because I've about had it with Godfather movies. I mean, I enjoyed them about the first 100 times they were on, but I'm a little bit tired of them now.

703 Obi-wan  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:33:45pm

My favorite movie about Egyptians was by the Three Stooges.

704 quark2  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:33:56pm

We're watching the Military channel, we don't need no steekin' movie. :)

705 Blitz  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:34:58pm

#700 Godfrey:

Fresh horrors?

Well, there's Marcus Vick.

I wonder if Drew Rosenhaus will represent him ... well, with the NFL, not at trial ...

706 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:36:08pm

#702 J.D.

Are you hooked on gangster movies?

Not at all.

I enjoyed them about the first 100 times they were on, but I'm a little bit tired of them now.

I'm like that with Bond movies.

707 Obi-wan  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:36:43pm

#705 Blitz

Next question.

708 Jheka  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:38:04pm

Badgers?

We don't need no stinkin' Badgers!

/UHF

709 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:39:22pm

Okay, I think we have reached a new low in unmitigated gaul.

Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei backed on Monday a recent call by hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for a team of Iranian investigators to be sent to Europe to investigate human rights abuses there

link

710 RebTex  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:41:04pm

Jerry Lewis did a funny movie involving Egypt...

711 rightymouse  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:41:12pm

Off to watch some TV and then read some of this book I'm wading through.

See y'all on the flip side!

712 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:42:20pm

godfrey

I bought this lovely burka... (swirls around) in camel brown... fits sizes small to XXX Large...

713 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:42:59pm

Godfrey

Oh, and I will be getting stoned later ... for the "family honor."

714 Portolan  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:44:30pm

#712 Amalie

Hey, I saw an ankle when you swirled! I am offended, offended, I say!

715 Paul  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:44:33pm

#701 Cartman

Forgot the "sarcasm" tag.

716 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:46:11pm
717 J.D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:46:53pm

#706 reaganite
Oh, yeah. Those too!

Goldfinger was on earlier...Now that one, I hadn't seen in quite a while.

718 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:46:57pm

714 Portolan

Oh.. my... so you can "stone" me too...

(swirls again)

/why take belly dancing lessons if you can't show it off?

719 scooter  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:47:00pm

9:33 PM! Way past my bed time Lizards. Outta here for the early AM call.

Have fun, and be nice to one another...yayayayah ;D

720 DesertSage  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:47:45pm

Goodfellas...probably my favorite...

721 bouzouki  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:48:23pm

Amalie

I never thought of getting stoned for the family honour before...:D

Hassan chop!

722 ovidius  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:49:13pm

# 635 Cartman

Right on. I didn't mean it in any dhimmi way. I meant it was fully rational and demonstrable.

723 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:49:16pm

Some day I'll talk Mrs. Mahmoud into letting me get digital cable, so I can get SPEED, Discovery Wings and The Military Channel.

724 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:50:33pm

bouzouki

Yes... we had to get stoned for the Family Honor...

/try that one on the parents.. lol

725 godfrey  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:50:54pm

blitz

I think it's important at this difficult time that we try to understand Vick's thuggish perspective and, according to the best ideal of America as a great Tossed Salad on a Hill, respect and honor his thuggish "difference."

amalie

Doesn't the see-through fabric rather defeat the purpose?

Not that I'm complaining.

726 bouzouki  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:51:17pm

Well, everybody must get stoned...

727 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:51:26pm

Desert Sage

Goodfellas... the best f#@kin movie ever f$#$kin made.

F#$#k yeah.

728 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:51:46pm

Jheka, what happened to Super Elite?


Silhouette, isn't "The Unmitigated Gaul" a book by my friend Caesar?

729 gus3  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:52:26pm

#708 Jheka:

I just watched that movie Saturday. Good, mindless drivel, except...

the answering machine scene. Watching Victoria Jackson carry the entire shot, with nary a word of dialogue, was so impressive, I back-scanned and watched it again, with the sound turned off.

If I didn't know it was a mindless comedy, I would think from her performance it was some kind of romantic tear-jerker.

730 J.D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:52:37pm
Well, they'll stone ya when you're trying to be so good,
They'll stone ya just a-like they said they would.
They'll stone ya when you're tryin' to go home.
Then they'll stone ya when you're there all alone.
But I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.

Well, they'll stone ya when you're walkin' 'long the street.
They'll stone ya when you're tryin' to keep your seat.
They'll stone ya when you're walkin' on the floor.
They'll stone ya when you're walkin' to the door.
But I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.

They'll stone ya when you're at the breakfast table.
They'll stone ya when you are young and able.
They'll stone ya when you're tryin' to make a buck.
They'll stone ya and then they'll say, "good luck."
Tell ya what, I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.

Well, they'll stone you and say that it's the end.
Then they'll stone you and then they'll come back again.
They'll stone you when you're riding in your car.
They'll stone you when you're playing your guitar.
Yes, but I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.

Well, they'll stone you when you walk all alone.
They'll stone you when you are walking home.
They'll stone you and then say you are brave.
They'll stone you when you are set down in your grave.
But I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.

731 mungagungadin  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:52:56pm

Has anyone yet noted that the speaches read almost perfectly as democrat talking points? Except for the accent, it is Perfect Pelosi.

732 RebTex  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:53:09pm

Ed
Ditch the cable & get the Dish!
Expanded basic covers those channels

733 Portolan  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:53:57pm

#718 Amalie

My sister said she took belly dancing lesions once. She had to quit when she kept smacking the other students in the face when practicing the 'smake arms' part.

734 bouzouki  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:54:38pm

#730 J.D.

LOL! The theme song of islam.

735 J.D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:55:00pm

#720 DesertSage
Yep. Someone here loves Goodfellas, too.

736 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:55:20pm

godfrey

See through... tsk tsk..

So am I missing something here... where do the belly dancers live? In some non-islam land?

737 bouzouki  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:57:11pm

By the way, if anyone is looking for a good read, try The Haj by Leon Uris.

738 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:57:40pm

733 Portolan

I too, took belly dancing lessons. Sorry to hear your sister is belly dancing impaired.

739 bouzouki  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:57:57pm

Am I a clown? Do I amuse you?

740 RebTex  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:58:04pm

J.D.
Everybody?!

742 Jheka  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:59:05pm

#728 Cato:

I'll bring it out for special occasions ... wouldn't want to cheapen it by over-use.

743 Robert D  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:59:17pm

#732 RebTex

I had Dish network for about 7 years. I just moved and got Direct tv. Direct with the DVR is far superior

744 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:59:26pm

bouzouki

Are you a clown? If you were a mime we would have a hard time following your act.

745 easy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:59:44pm
746 DesertSage  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:59:54pm

#735 J.D.

I can't think of a better Mafia movie than Goodfellas.
Donny Brasco wasn't too bad either...

Godfather 3 sucked...

747 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 4:59:56pm

#649 Anabel -

Just read the article.

Did you noticed how the author complains about the "debacle" in Iraq and that, as a result, the US can't be relied upon to protect European interests?

On that point I can't say enough to Europe in general and British torries in specific. The words "Sod off!" come to mind. The temerity of Euro elites to complain about American "loss of might" regarding the Middle East astounds me - if Europe were on board in Iraq, the "insurgency" would have died early on. Instead, it hopes and hopes for an American collapse under European or domestic pressure. As a result, the thugs kill more and more Iraqis with some American soldiers thrown in here and there.

If Europe worries about Iran then it should. And maybe it can get off of it's collective "arses" and do something about it other than bitch about America invading the wrong country.

748 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:00:05pm
749 RebTex  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:00:31pm

Portolan
Spatial orientation, my Friend!
Spatial orientation!

750 bouzouki  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:00:55pm

MIMES!

I've got your mime right here.

751 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:02:33pm

745 easy

I checked out the site... and belly dancing with a sword...

Not my thing..

752 quark2  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:02:58pm

Speaking of books, how about a little bit of
literary fraud?
Seems like Oprah got sucked in big time by one
James Frey. He went to the bank with millions laughing all the way, while she cried into a goodly investment of Kleenex &trade .

[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

753 RebTex  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:03:01pm

Robert D
Well...
I have Direct TV
I just thinking about the little dish on the house...

754 easy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:03:29pm

Mime is money

755 J.D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:03:52pm

#740 RebTex
Everybody! Dylan says so!

#746 DesertSage
Ooo. Too bloody at the beginning for me.
I'm so delicate, as everyone knows.
/be kind

756 Portolan  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:04:19pm

#748 Reb Tex

The Three Stooges; Saudi Style!

757 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:04:32pm

748 Iron Fist

LOL... well, ah... I see your point... Desert Sage thinks Goodfellas is the best mob movie...

tee-hee

758 solomonpanting  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:04:43pm

#730 J.D.

I knew a man, his brain was so small,
He couldn’t think of nothing at all.
He’s not the same as you and me.
He doesn’t dig poetry. he’s so unhip that
When you say dylan, he thinks you’re talking about dylan thomas,
Whoever he was.
The man ain’t got no culture,
But it’s alright, ma,
Everybody must get stoned.

759 godfrey  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:05:09pm

/removing x-ray Rotary spy glasses

I am so busted.

Bellies dancing? *sigh* Yes, Louisiana is right up there with Wisconsin in levels of obesity. Unlike Wisconsin, however, everyone is in such a good humor that I find all the jelly rather jolly.

760 J.D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:05:13pm

Oh, and Godfather III was embarrassing for FFC, imho. What was he thinking?

761 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:05:13pm

Maybe because she sort of looked a little Mexican, and I like Mexican chicks, and I know she couldn't act her way out of a wet paper bag in GF3(I didn't see the Bill Murray movie, but I heard good things, so she can direct, I guess), but I think Sophia Coppola is kind of hot.

762 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:05:17pm

bouzouki

Mime me!

763 Robert D  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:06:12pm

#753 RebTex

O.K. Just wanted to put in my .02 on how happy I am with Direct. There is a difference.

764 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:06:56pm

#748 Iron Fist

It is technically possible to hush a revolver, but as a practical matter, it's a no-go.

You're going to have to explain that one. It's easier to silence a revolver.

765 easy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:07:27pm

From the Belly Dancing site:

The Middle East is built on a magnificent legacy of civilizations dating back to ancient times. Science, the arts, written language, mathematics, a legal system, and other hallmarks of civilization flourished in ancient Sumer, Persia, Egypt, and other parts of the Middle East, leaving a lasting influence on the later cultures of Greece and Rome. Today, the Middle East continues to offer the world a rich cultural contribution, as home to three major world religions, a vibrant entertainment industry, a fascinating tradition of folkloric music and dance, and a growing economic power base.
766 SuperdaveTWC  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:07:30pm

156 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

No more beautiful song ever composed.

When I was playing tuba for the MOB at Rice, we played and sang it the RIGHT way. The REAL song goes like this:

I've been working on the railroad
All the livelong day.
I've been working on the railroad
Just to pass the time away.
Can't you hear the whistle blowin'?
Rise up so early in the morn.
Can't you hear the Cap'n shouting,
"Dinah blow your horn?"

etc.

BTW my postdoc advisor at Rice is a Nobel Laureate, so there...

767 J.D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:07:40pm

Oh, this guy on the Comedy channel is so funny. I can't remember his name. From Texas, I think.

768 swamprat  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:10:03pm

jheka---good work on that previous thread/many eyes are watching.

769 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:10:08pm

godfrey

"jelly rather jolly"

belly dancing, godfrey.. not jelly dancing...

770 ovidius  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:10:11pm

# 688 Cato

Gregory Mathis is an accolyte of Jesse all right. Just google the names, together with Rainbow/PUSH, Jesse's organization thru which he blackmails ("shakes up the tree") companies to give money to his black enterprises.
The scheme is: find a company whose image in advertising seems to be insensitive to minorities, threaten them with a law suit, and then milk them of whatever they can dish out for fear of being taken to Court, on the notion that a "minority advancement program" would not be as expensive as losing in Court.

It's worked wonderfully for him and the Rainbow/PUSH non-entity. God only knows how much money he and his son Jonathan and Gregory Mathis, always at JJ's side, made out of these dealings, and all the employees at Rainbow/PUSH.

I'm still waiting for information.

771 Robert D  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:11:08pm

#767 J.D.

Ron White, I believe.

772 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:12:00pm

A six-(web)page article on how Oprah got conned by a phoney con?

I can sum it up for the time-challenged.

Oprah. Dumbass.

773 Robert D  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:12:05pm

Part of the Blue Collar Comedy Tour.

774 DesertSage  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:12:10pm

I still waiting to hear this explanation on why silencing a revolver is a No-go?

775 easy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:12:13pm

#767 J.D.

Ron "Tater Salad" White

776 Jimbob  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:13:18pm

OT
I have been reading this board for a couple years but rarely post. I am writing this time on behalf of a family friend. They are going crazy because their daughter just met an Egyptian man (“Edward”, nice Egyptian name) over the internet, and she is dead set on taking her tax refund and going there to meet him. She says he is very nice and told her all she needs to do to set up the trip. As you might guess this woman is dumb as a box of rocks. Personally I couldn’t give a damn what this freak does, but her mother and father are friends and they are worried. People on this board seem to have a rich knowledge and library of internet resources. I am asking for help to locate information that may be passed along to this dumb ass to let her know what she may be in for.

#618 goodbye_natalie,
That's a good question. The fear runs the span of the imagination. Is it likely that she will be allowed to return (especially if she gets married), forced prostitution, kidnap for ransom, ect. Is it likely that an Egyptian man would be courting an American bride over the internet? Is this socially acceptable in Egypt. What are the likilyhood?

#627 Sharku
Know that is funny. It just so happened that the mother just called my wife, and I passed on your suggestion. No, no, no that’s not too harsh. We are close friends and don’t often hold much back.

#631 baldy
Yes, I remember that show. Passed it along to the mother. She says they have seen it before and it was brought up. Daughter says, “He’s not like that”. And she should know with all the internet time they spent together, and what-not. What a dumb-ass!

#636 bonz
You know, you’re probably right. I’d want out of there myself. I hadn’t thought about that since the worst case scenarios were filling my head and clouding reason.

#638 karmic_inquisitor, #639 Silhouette, #643 Scooter, #652 baldy, #670 Merovign, #685 Engineer, thanks for all the input. If any thing else comes to mind please post it, I’ll be reading. If you would rather just email me directly: jcummins@cinci.rr.com

777 quark2  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:13:43pm

@735 JD

No no!
Shawshank Redemption or The Colour Purple
are much better. :)

/with Open Range thrown in
778 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:13:53pm
779 Jheka  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:14:03pm

#768 swamprat:

Sports or religion?

780 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:14:24pm

#774 DesertSage
Once you ballistically silence a weapon, the remaining noise is the action of the weapon.

I'm not following it either.

781 J.D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:15:42pm

Robert D. and easy
Thanks.
He cracks me up!

I want XM satellite radio so I can listen to their comedy station...

782 big L  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:15:53pm

597-Ovidus-why not contact John Ziegler direct. He is at KFI 640 am in L.A.
I recall he did talk on his time up there during the Tookie 'vigil'. I think KFI has shows archived now and his show might be one of them
You can Yahoo the the radio web and email zigler.
The Commies in the form of the ISO were un-official security there and were blocking reporters from saying anything to the Tookistas.Pushing the mike away and standing in front of them etc.

783 godfrey  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:19:06pm

So where does this "belly dancing" come from, anyway? I've heard there are early references in classical literature to salacious dancing by the women of ancient Cadíz, but the cliché image is of... an Indian woman? I have documentary footage of women in Morocco doing something similar, but the only thing that was really exposed was their lack of exposure to modern dentistry.

Has anyone experienced belly dancing up close?

Besides Amalie, I mean.

Do her charms really require that much amplification?

784 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:20:12pm

Corridors of Power: The lady was a spy

Susanne Osthoff, the German archeologist kidnapped by Iraqi gunmen on Nov. 25 and released before Christmas was connected with her country's intelligence service, the BND, and had helped arrange a meeting with a top member of the terrorist organization al-Qaida, possibly Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi himself, according to well informed German sources Sunday.

/interesting, if true

785 swamprat  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:21:00pm

774 desertsage---Normally the place between the barell and the cylinder that holds the bullets is unsealed,thereby letting the noisy gasses escape.Some revolvers have seals,but they are rare and I do not know how well they work, or how long they last.

786 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:21:19pm

783 godfrey

True belly dancing is an art.

787 Kirly  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:21:25pm

So I was driving home about an hour and a half later than usual and listening to Liddy and Hill. They said that Teddy (hic) Kennedy published a childrens book? And that in that book, his dog had "the unfortunate name of 'Splash'". Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!
Hadn't heard that one before! What an idjit!

788 godfrey  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:22:01pm

I'll have to catch up tomorrow. Have a good night, everybody.

789 J.D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:22:11pm

#783 godfrey

Has anyone experienced belly dancing up close?


I have! I have!
Well, it was at the Moroccan restaurant at Epcot...

790 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:22:16pm

I am just not quite sure how a woman can be a follower of Islam and also be a belly dancer without getting stoned.

791 Robert D  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:23:00pm

#783 godfrey

Get a grip man. Don't try to analyze it, just enjoy it...

792 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:23:20pm

#785 swamprat

Normally the place between the barell and the cylinder that holds the bullets is unsealed,thereby letting the noisy gasses escape.

That's marginally true. If it allowed enough gases to escape to be louder than the suppressor, then there is something wrong with the gun and you would be losing a shit load of muzzle velocity.

793 swamprat  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:23:31pm

jheka--- anti-hate,just before sports.

794 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:23:43pm
795 Sharku  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:24:16pm

#776 Jimbob

That was not supposed to be funny, I was being dead serious.

796 easy  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:24:33pm

This shows a revolver silencer that covers the cylinder. Never seen that.

797 godfrey  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:25:02pm

No, wait, false alarm...

A true art, Amalie? Like firing a weapon? Playing a mobster? Spiking a ball in the endzone?

798 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:26:19pm

Iron Fist

If you talk to Girlfriend 2.0 tell her Amalie lost her best friend.

799 gus3  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:26:43pm

#790 Amalie:

I am just not quite sure how a woman can be a follower of Islam and also be a belly dancer without getting stoned.

Taqiyya. If it advances Islam, including via reproduction, then it's allowed.

800 bonz  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:26:46pm

#748 Iron Fist
Once saw movie where some nut had developed the perfect silencer for a revolver. You scream as you fire the weapon

801 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:27:02pm

Woo-hoo, it's a gun thread now.

802 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:27:08pm

#794 Iron Fist

Gas escapes through this gap. No point in trapping the rest of the gas as far as noise reduction goes, as the pop through the cylinder gap is as loud as the gas coming out the muzzle

Sorry dude, unless there is something seriously wrong with the gun, that is just not true.

Have you ever heard a real hush?

I have, many times, on both revolvers, autos and SMGs.

803 swamprat  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:27:14pm

reaganite--only thing I could think of.

804 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:27:34pm
805 Portolan  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:27:36pm

#787 Kirly

I like to think that he sees the face of Mary Jo Kopeckne every time he looks in a mirror, but after hearing that, he must be the stupidest person on earth or totally soulless. Or both.

806 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:29:24pm
807 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:30:49pm

#804 Iron Fist

The only hush I've seen for a revolver was a concept piece that completely covered the cylinder.

A buddy had a revolver with a suppressor on it. One day we were shooting it and it became very loud. We did an inspection and found that the forcing cone on the barrel had cracked.

Modern revolvers have more than a close enough tolerance to be quieter than any suppressor.

808 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:30:53pm

godfrey

Belly Dancing is an art. More than spiking a football.. it is throwing the perfect pass...

809 godfrey  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:32:16pm

Robert D

Impossible. When a woman bares her flat midriff and gyrates orgiastically while staring at me, all I can think about is linguistic evidence that links the gypsy diaspora to 11th century Rajanasthan.

You can think of this as a problem, or you can say "Ah, well, some men think about baseball."

810 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:33:45pm
811 J.D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:34:57pm
...all I can think about is linguistic evidence that links the gypsy diaspora to 11th century Rajanasthan.


And who wouldn't?

812 SuperdaveTWC  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:34:58pm

I once owned a revolver with a loudener:

Taurus Reolver With Loudener

The .44 mag wih a compensator was at least twice as loud as my college (undergrad) roomate's Ruger Super Redhawk .44 magnum.

813 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:35:00pm

#810 Iron Fist
I'm telling you, I've seen them and shot them.

814 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:36:13pm

godfrey

No Belly Dancing for you!

815 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:37:09pm

#806 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

"Cold air", what are you talking about?!?!?! Everybody knows that because of GLOBAL WARMING, which is Bush's fault because he didn't sign Kyoto, is causing all the air to heat up and we're all going to die!

/moonbat off

816 Robert D  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:37:12pm

#809 godfrey

LOL I see your point.

817 Amalie  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:37:20pm

811 J.D.

LOL ... LOL

818 swamprat  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:37:38pm

reaganite--Do you think the cone cracked because of the suppressor?

819 RebTex  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:38:26pm

My BlackHawk has a measured head space of 0.002
It's a little tight...

820 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:40:29pm

Well, not all of us can attend tiny liberal arts colleges with Ivy League tuition. But I admire the pluck of those boys. I remember a few years back, when the Owls played the OSU, biggest 1A school vs the smallest.


With almost ten times the undergrad enrollment, Texas State University in San Marcos plays 2A football. What wimps.


Now that they hired Major Applewhite, hero of the Pacific Life Holiday Bowl, as Offensive Coordinator, I might have to attend a game or two.

It amazes me, seeing the size of the old stadium, that Houston must have been so devoid of sports in the 1950s that Rice could fill a 70,000 stadium.

821 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:41:39pm
822 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:41:55pm

#818 swamprat

Do you think the cone cracked because of the suppressor?

We know why it cracked. Over hot reloads. It turns out the guy set the powder scale wrong and over loaded the powder charge.

We know that because we weighed the powder charges of the rounds remaining in the box.

823 bonz  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:42:32pm

#809 godfrey

Impossible. When a woman bares her flat midriff and gyrates orgiastically while staring at me, all I can think about is linguistic evidence that links the gypsy diaspora to 11th century Rajanasthan.

Obviously not married...otherwise it's "what are my odds?"...then reality kicks in ;)

824 Jheka  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:43:02pm

#793 swamprat:

Thanks. It bothers me that I (and others) have had to make posts like that more and more often here lately. I think this is a symptom of something that we first saw with Schiavo. As the Bush term ends and 2008 approaches, the schism on the Right, which mirrors the schism that has been very apparent on the Left since 2000, will continue to widen. Bush really was/is a uniter for anti-idiotarians of many ideological stripes. As he exits, the alliances that we made in the last several years will begin to unravel somewhat as people see what they believe is an opportunity to move the party/ideology/country in their preferred direction. Only a special leader or another national trauma will delay what will be an ideological bloodbath on the Right.

825 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:43:26pm

#821 Iron Fist

It could be your friend's weapon was customized.

Other than the threaded barrel, it was an off the shelf S&W Model 19.

826 ovidius  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:43:50pm

# 782 big-L:

We have their version. We were hoping to have some other corroboration.
Thanks anyway.

827 J.D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:43:51pm

#817 Amalie
What? You don't think that's what a guy in said circumstances would be thinking?
/fell off the turnip truck yesterday

828 slydin clyde  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:44:49pm

good evnin y'alll

raining here, fire danger has passed for now whew..

guns, belly dancing and football? wow..

829 godfrey  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:44:56pm

Belly-dancing is all well and good, but can someone explain to me what it has over the way some women two-step? Because in my experience, western gals do just fine.

830 J.D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:45:35pm

#817 Amalie
Just like every other red-blooded American male would be thinking!

Somewhere, there's a post of mine that's lost in here...

831 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:46:16pm

#826 Metal Man

that it is only really a suppressor not a silencer.

You can't "silence" a gun. "Suppress" is more accurate.

832 swamprat  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:46:20pm

reaganite 822---!---that was a"oops"

833 J.D.  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:46:45pm

#827! It finally showed up!

834 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:47:06pm
835 RebTex  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:47:15pm

slydin clyde
Oklahoma?

836 quark2  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:47:51pm

@815 mitthrawnurdo

On the moonbat channel of choice, the NYTs Discovery channel was a program about the ice
pack and perma frost melting around the artic circle.
The indigenous peoples are taking the United States to World Court on a human rights complaint we're ruining their way of life.
Someone needs to ask them a most pertinent question. How the hell did their ancestors arrive onto the north american continent originally? I don't believe they had sea going
craft when that migration occured.
Something about a land bridge being available
for them to use to Walk across in their migration.
Does this mean the animal kingdom way back then was farting so much the level of pollution caused the icepack to melt?

837 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:49:07pm

I've always enjoyed watching the option. It amazes me that schools like Rice, Army and Navy, that actually have academic standards for their "student" athletes (BTW, no joke, I realize that most of UT's football players aren't brain surgeons, but did you know Tom Osborne had a major beef when Texas entered the Big XII conference, because UT insisted the Big 8 schools raise their academic standards, rather than the SWC schools lowering theirs. Didn't make Osborne happy either when Texas cost the Huskers a berth in the National Championship game by beating them in the very first Big XII title game.) can sometimes even be bowl eligible, and, like Navy, even go to, and win, a bowl game.


I think it would be interesting to see a QB who can actually throw, run an option offense.

838 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:50:37pm

#832 swamprat

that was a"oops"

Well, it worked out. Once we knew the .38 rounds were too hot, we checked the .45. We managed not to blow up his suppressed MAC-10.

839 SuperdaveTWC  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:50:40pm

#820 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

I was paid to work at Rice as a postdoc. Postdocs are considered research staff.

I got my Ph.D. from North Dakota State University, and my B.S. from Bethel College in St. Paul, MN. My father was a track and coross country coach there, and I took out HUGE student loans and used the GI Bill to pay for it. I also worked full time as an undergrad.

In my field, grad students who get accepted get paid (almost enough to survive on) to go to grad school and do not pay tuition.

I've been working on the railroad...

840 slydin clyde  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:50:50pm

Reb Tex

near claremore Yet a Texan.

841 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:51:42pm
842 swamprat  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:53:55pm

824 jheka---I don't foresee a huge division; as long as the democrats act as they are, people of sense will unite to guide the country. When they quit acting like spoiled adolesent children, all bets are off. The only reason that I don't consider voting democrat,is that they're either nuts,or have aligned themselves with nuts.

843 RebTex  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:54:06pm

slydin clyde
Whew!
good

844 traveler  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:54:14pm

#158 Ed Mahmoud

Texas Fight, Texas Fight,
And it's goodbye to A&M.
Texas Fight, Texas Fight,
And we'll put over one more win.
Texas Fight, Texas Fight,
For it's Texas that we love best.
Give ‘em hell, Give ‘em hell, Go Horns Go!
And it's good-bye to all the rest!

Let's make it more applicable to this thread:

Mullahs bite, Mullahs bite
Mullahs jump up and bite my ass...

845 reaganite  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:55:41pm

#841 Iron Fist

The "hush" was the size of a CO2 cartridge

Of course, that is crap!

846 Blitz  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:56:45pm

#837 Ed:

Look, pal, if you're gonna start doing sports, I'm gonna start doing weather.

Just stay classy, OK?

/Ron Burgundy

847 RebTex  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:57:06pm

I'm with Iron Fist on that one.
THe cans I've seen from afar were much larger.
I remember being told that there's a math formula to the proper volumn of the chamber in order to suppress.
But, that's just hearsay

848 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 5:58:22pm

787- Kirly

Hey the last murderer who wrote a book was Tookie Williams and it didn't save his butt. Does this mean that Uncle Teddy will be...nah, just wishful thinking.

849 Jheka  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 6:03:16pm

#842 swamprat:

Here is my post on this subject from about 10 months ago. While anti-idiotarians may ultimately unite in a general election (especially if the Democrats nominate somebody from the hard-left), the primaries and the months leading up to them are going to be ugly.

850 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 6:04:07pm
851 CMH Winners Grandkid  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 6:06:37pm

"Death to America", "Death to Israel"...Are we sure this wasn't heard on the campus of one of our esteemed institutions of higher learning?

/Just wondering...

852 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 6:07:42pm
853 RebTex  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 6:08:04pm

Iron Fist
What's the bet that they will neglect to mention the tie to movies, though?

854 Metal Man  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 6:09:18pm

Just because I find the subject in my own geeky way fascinating I will add these thoughts on Suppressed or silenced weapons. There is a tradeoff to suppressing the sound of a weapon and that is heat (and maybe muzzle velocity). If one only had to fire one or two shots you could almost reach the point of silence (especially with a 22 short). Think of the kid next doors car VS his dads Lexus same bang in the cylinder but the kid wants speed and the dad doesn’t want to give Mama headache :)

855 quark2  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 6:15:16pm

@852 d Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

Ghee thanx Ed, just what we didn't need to hear! :(

856 swamprat  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 6:17:46pm

jheka---If the republicans have any sense at all, they will nominate Dr.rice for vice-president.If they do that, they should find someone with a catchy name for prez.Someone named, say...beans...or...Hamm... or .. White...Is there a senator "Gravy"?

857 Anabel  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 6:23:38pm

Karmic_inquisitor #747

I noticed, and agree completely; especially your last paragraph. Once again the European countries are collecting intelligence on Iran, as they did with Iraq. It's about time they engaged in some er, 'unilateral' action of their own.

858 Jheka  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 6:37:42pm

#856 swamprat:

Some Republican ticket possibilities:

Brown[back] - Rice (Brownback ... yuck)?

Dole & Rice (I would so vote for that ticket ... Liz Dole, that is)?

Have some Dewine & Rice?

Brown - Rice?

Franks & Rice?

Green(s) & Rice?

Who Istook my Rice?

The Price Pryce? is Rice.

Just Regula Rice.

We have Pawlenty of Rice.

Are you Hoeven any Rice?

859 Jheka  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 6:38:36pm

OK, that's it for me. 'night all.

860 mattm  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 6:43:13pm

Death to Iran!
Death to Iran!

861 yehoshua  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 6:44:39pm

After bombing Iran's nuclear reactor, let's detonate Mecca's black box. Sooner or later, there will be a fight to the death with the Moslem hordes, so we might as well get started.

862 Jheka  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 6:47:21pm

Before I go, swamprat:

Check out the 2 posts above this one ... see what I'm talking about?

863 ORD neighbor  Mon, Jan 9, 2006 9:13:18pm

As far as silenced revolvers go, there are some that can be very well suppressed. Look here for an example.

864 davew4444  Tue, Jan 10, 2006 5:28:08am

LoFlyer
#488

When I saw the B-52 at Robins AFB, was like deja vu all over again...the BUFF had been assigned to the 99th Bomb Wing at Westover AFB in the early 1970's and I remember working the ARC LIGHT deployment that sent that particular plane to Guam while on active duty

865 johnCV  Tue, Jan 10, 2006 6:20:32am

152 Moonbatbane

You observation about my reference to nukes is correct. I would never have suggested that course of action prior to 9-11. Or even until Fall 2004 - Beslan. That was the tipping point for me.
Any religion that espouses the wholesale slaughter of innocent children needs to be destroyed - not tolerated, not negotiated with, not reformed - but destroyed. I personally have past the point where I would be receptive to 'moderate' muslims decrying the actions of the 'extremists'. The jihadis have the blessing of the ummah. As Bush said you are wither with us or with the terrorists. No more tolerance.
We have come to another of those points in history where a person must choose a side or be destroyed by thier inaction. The terms 'likewarm' and 'spitting' come to mind. I don't know if we will win this fight, given the hobbling our society has inflicted upon itself, but I (and many others) will not go gently into that good night...Know your enemy.

Sorry for the late response.

866 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jan 10, 2006 6:29:41am
867 derek  Tue, Jan 10, 2006 6:41:04am

But they seem so peaceful...

868 EE  Tue, Jan 10, 2006 9:19:59am

Pali "president" Mahmud Abbas has claimed that President George W. Bush has assured him that Hamas will be able to campaign in Jerusalem, according to some reports. If this is so, then expect to have the Hamas preachers of hate and inciters to jihad right in Israel's capital.

Here is the Hamas covenant:
[Link: www.yale.edu...]

From the preface to this Hamas covenant:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it"

From Article Fifteen:

The day that enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised. To do this requires the diffusion of Islamic consciousness among the masses, both on the regional, Arab and Islamic levels. It is necessary to instill the spirit of Jihad in the heart of the nation so that they would confront the enemies and join the ranks of the fighters.


So that is what the Hamas preachers of hate and inciters to Jihad are going to do, when Israel is pressured to admit them into Jerusalem: "It is necessary to instill the spirit of Jihad in the heart of the nation so that they would confront the enemies and join the ranks of the fighters."

869 tradewind  Tue, Jan 10, 2006 9:22:35am

Watching a cable showing of Disney's Madagascar after reading this and thinking about the lemurs in that scene where he 's chanting ' Phys- i-kully- fit, Phys-i-kully- fit '...

I swear, they used Pal extras for that one.

870 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jan 10, 2006 10:00:02am
871 RepJ  Tue, Jan 10, 2006 11:23:46am

They've been doing that since I was in the 3rd grade. Scared me to death then.

872 Sam I Am  Tue, Jan 10, 2006 2:04:52pm

They can all go fuck themselves.

They have thrown down the gauntlett, we must take them at their word and do our worst to that two-legged vermin.

So awake America, rise from your slumber and deliver your wraith upon them, just like America did to the Nazis and Imperial Japan.

Islam must be destroyed.

873 EE  Tue, Jan 10, 2006 4:42:56pm

#872 Sam I Am
"Islam must be destroyed" you say.
In other words, you are supporting the statements made by the fanatic Saudi-Wahhabis that there is a war against Islam?
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
In their complaints, they are talking about a cultural battle, a battle to change Islam to make it compatible with coexistence with the rest of the world. But you are taking it as a physical war, it seems, so you are offering the fanatics some recruiting material for jihad, and you are offering them the ability to recruit a billion or so Muslims who would otherwise not join the jihad?

874 Sam I Am  Tue, Jan 10, 2006 5:28:46pm

#873 EE

They don't need additional "reasons" to wage war on the West. The Koran compels them to convert, subjugate or slay the infidels.

They have been at war with the world since the birth of Isalm.

They have been killing Americans (along with Hindus in India, Jews in Israel, Buddists, etc).

They state their hatred of the West, Israel and America. They VOW to take over Europe and topple the West -- to topple America and IMPOSE Sharia law.

I take them at their word and am CONVINCED that we must fight fire with fire.

I'm sorry if I offend you but these are the facts. So stop making excuses for them.

They will not be stopped and won't stop their efforts to install Islam world wide -- just like the Nazis would not stop to try to conquer the world along with their friends Mussolini and Tojo.

You claim they are in a "cultural war" to try to change Isalm to make it compatible with the modern world. The problem is that the reformers are considered heretics because Allah gave the word to Mohammed (ie the Koran) and it is not subject to interpretation nor change by mere man. And again, the Koran compels all true Muslims to wage war against the infidel and either convert them, enslave them or slay them.

So again, to ensure the freedom not only for America but for the freedom of my children I again shout --

ISLAM MUST BE DESTROYED.

875 Sam I Am  Tue, Jan 10, 2006 5:32:27pm

#865 johnCV

I second that motion.

All in favor say "aye"

Aye.

The ayes have it.

Bombing begins in five minutes (thank you President Reagan)

876 Sam I Am  Tue, Jan 10, 2006 5:34:15pm

#873 EE

I need to use the preview button

Let me make a addition here...

They have been killing Americans (along with Hindus in India, Jews in Israel, Buddists, etc) for the better part of the last 25+ years -- since I was a senior in high school back in 1979.

877 Sam I Am  Tue, Jan 10, 2006 5:42:05pm

#873 EE

One last point.

They claim the world/the West is at war with Isalm.

First, they started it. (even before the attacks on the WTC).

Second, they don't know what war really is because if we were truly at war with them, and I mean war like in World War II, they would last a month. Between our airpower and advance weapons (precision guided munitions, neutron weapons, and nuclear bombs) they wouldn't last a month.

Unfortunately we refuse to pull out the stops and we continue to go easy on them in the hope they come around to our way of thinking and just get along.

President Bush should just start massive bombing by B-52s and B-2s on some of the hell holes -- like Fallujah, Teheran, Damascus. If they don't change there ways, then proceed with Mecca, Medina and Riyahd. And just keep it up until they lie prostrate before us. Let them know they have awakened the sleeping giant and that his wraith is truly terrible to behold.

878 All Clear  Tue, Jan 10, 2006 6:31:17pm

They sound disturbingly like Democrats..

879 Gruen  Wed, Jan 11, 2006 6:37:18am

#878

lol!

880 EE  Wed, Jan 11, 2006 3:33:42pm

Sam I Am
"they started it"

Your definition of "they" is too broad for the times, and inconsistent with our national policy. We are not at war with Islam, and we are not at war with the entire ummah.

We have allies in Iraq, comrades-in-arms, who are Muslims.

We are likely to need the support of Muslims in future battles.

Your statement that Islam must be destroyed sounds a little bit like the mirror image of those radical Islamist fanatics that say that non-Islam must be destroyed.

And such radical anti-Islamism feeds the rhetoric of the radical Islamists, who want a war of civilizations, just as you seem to want a war of civilizations. In other words, you and the radical Islamists are, in a sense, working together for the same cause, the war of civilizations. Ironic isn't it, that the fanatical extremes help each other out?

In fact,if a radical Islamist, who wants a war of civilizations, were to come to this blog, the easiest way to help his cause and to contribute his two cents toward having that war of civilizations would be to write: Destroy Islam. First, he could then cite that statement as a recruiting tool as proof of a war against Islam, when writing on an Islamist website. Secondly, he could use that to discredit this blog. Thirdly, if he could be effective as an agent provocateur, he could help his agenda of causing a war of civilizations by working from the other end.

881 Sam I Am  Wed, Jan 11, 2006 4:21:32pm

EE

Quit apologizing for the Muslims. Muslims are killing infidels and yet I try to hear "moderate" Muslims condemn these acts of Osama and Al Qaeda and Hezbollah and Hamas yet the silence from them is deafening.

They don't need this blog or my postings to have a reason to hate infidels.

I guess it is still lost upon you that Muslims are commanded by the Koran to -- get ready, here is the punch line (again) -- CONVERT, ENSLAVE OR KILL infidels.

By your "logic", war against the Nazis and Imperial Japan wasn't worth it cause you know we would have been in a war between civilizations. And pointing out the henious acts these civilizations were doing (gassing Jews or using samurai swords to see who could slice the thinest piece of flesh off a captured American soldier without killing him and continuing that slicing until said prisoner expired) would inflame these people.

That is just sheer lunacy.

World War II was a fight between freedom and democracy against Facisism with the winner then having to face Communism to determine the fate of the world. It was a fight to the death between these two types of systems and it needed the deaths of millions (on boths sides) to finally discredit those EVIL philosphies. Note that we (the Allies) didn't have to kill all Germans, Italians and Japanese to defeat them and discredit these systems of government.

We know who triumphed -- the West.

We are in the same type of fight against Isalm. Whether you want to acknowledge it and/or believe it.

And therefore we will probably have to kill lots (millions?) of Muslims to discredit their worldview that Muslims are the new Arayans (supermen, etc) and that infidels are only good for enslavement and/or death.

So again...

ISALM MUST BE DESTROYED.

now POAD

882 EE  Wed, Jan 11, 2006 5:15:08pm

The radical haters who mirror the radical Islamist haters are basically sharing the same agenda of desiring a clash of civilizations that the radical Islamists want.

OT somewhat, here is an article in Muslim World Today, entitled Democracy and the Culture of Hate, by Tashbih Sayyed, an American, who is of the Muslim faith. Contrast these words of wisdom of Dr. Sayyed, who is president of the Council for Democracy and Tolerance, and an adjunct fellow of the Hudson Institute, with the blinding killer rage of Sam I Am who seems to be at war with all Muslims.
[Link: www.muslimworldtoday.com...]

Democracy is a positive phenomenon. It is premised on the concept that all human beings are equal. And as such no individual or group has a right to undermine or override the rights of any other individual or group. Democracy cannot be introduced into a society that is inherently intolerant wherein people of one faith consider the peoples of other faiths as either inferior or lesser human beings. The peoplewho believe in any kind of racial, ethnic or religious superiority are intrinsically unfit to foster a democratic climate. And such people have historically caused humanity a great deal of pain and misery.


Today's gloval conflict between Radical Islam and open societies is similar to the global conflict of 1914-18 in which the US involvement had transformed the old-fashioned territorial dispute into an ideological war between autocracies/monarchies represented by jAustria and the American democratic principals. And just as the US victory in the World War I had paved the way for the establishment of republics in Europe, American triumph in the present conflict may also compel the Muslim regimes to democratize their polities. But the big question is whether embracing of democracy only in ritualistic terms can bring peace and stability in this divided world.


And he recognizes a big problem that exists in Muslim societies today.

Present day Muslim societies, dominated and controlled by radical Islamist ideologies, are not different than the pre-World War II Europe that facilitated in the evolution of Nazism and brought down holocaust on Jews. From Indonesia to Indiana and from Pakistan to Panama wherever there is a Wahhabi controlled mosque, a culture of hatred prevails wherein the Muslim mind is being brainwashed to kill the infidels.


Preachers like Sheikh Al-Qaradhawi have helped in the perpetuation of this culture and the production of leaders like Mahmud Ahmdinejad of Iran. Such religious and political Muslim leaders are free to poison the minds of the faithful."We are a Nation of Jihad and Maryrdom," Al-Qaradhawi said recently...


Preachers like Al-Qaradhawi have tremendous influence on innocent and uneducated Muslims. Their word is often taken as divinely sanctioned...


Such bigotry in the Islamic centers, in the name of Islam has contributed in the evolution of a mindset that is determined to take over the civilized world and transform it into a totalitarian Islamist theocracy. And this is why democracy in Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan without shutting up these preachers of hate will only empower the radical Islamists.


Read the whole article.

883 EE  Wed, Jan 11, 2006 5:44:18pm

The Struggle for Islam's Soul -II, by Salim Mansur.
[Link: www.paktoday.com...]
Salim Mansur is a professor of political science at the University of Western Ontario. Read his articles. He professes to be of the Muslim faith.

The struggle for Islam's soul in the modern world is as old as Islam itself. The first victims of this struggle soaked in blood were the family of Mohammed, the prophet of Isalm, within a few decades after his demise.


In this sordid story, tribalism prevailed as leaders, including those responsible for the destruction of the prophet's family seized upon Islam as an instrument of their tribal politics. Ever since, there has been an official Islam of power-holders whose politics gutted the transcendent message of a sublime monotheism. Beyond the shadows of power exists the Islam of the people, a faith shaped by longing for justice and surrender to the infinte compassion of God.


Those most responsible for spreading Islam as a message of peace and submission to proficential justice - from the deserts of Arabia to distant islands in the Pacific and the shores of the Atlantic - are known as Sufis. They kept their distance from hte power-holders, and emphasized Mohammed's teachings on learning and charity, ont he fraternity of all seekers for truth and in seeking God's mercy and love.


Official Islam grew intolerant of Sufis. They have been hounded by power-holders, abused from pulpits by clerics in the service of power and frequently killed. If we fast-forward to modern times, the tribal usurpers of Islam now sit as potentates of nation-states.


Tyrants, dictators, kiings and their assembled courtiers, sycophants, diplomats, clerics and soldiers are the reincarnated faces of those who emptied Islam of its eternal truths and furnished it with their hypocrisy and vulgar politics. The "nationalized" or politicized Islam of the Muslim fundamentalists has as much affinity with Mohammed's message as the politics of the brown shirts in Nazi Germany did with the gospel of Jesus.


Notice that what he deplores is the "nationalized" or politicized Islam of the Muslim fundamentalists. In other words, he believes in an Islam freed of that nationalization and politicization.

In NOrth America, apologists of politicized Islam have often operated from behind the sanctity of religious institutions. The events of 9/11 should have revealed their intent and activities, but did not as fully as warranted.


The reason is paradoxical. Liberal democracy is secular, and non-Muslims unfamiliar with the intricacies of another culture and its history are loathe to question suspect political behavioir that deliberately dons the garb of religion...


Read the whole article.
His attack is on what he calls "official Islam", not on Islam.
His conclusion:

The lib-left in North America - frequently self-righteous, gullible and driven by its own failed ideology of anti-capitalism - has indulged in a Faustian pact with representatives of official Islam to promote their causes under the banner of freedom of worship.


A little examination will reveal how little of any freedom is permitted where official Islam rules. The 9/11 terror attacks should have awakened North Americans to the fact that official Islam, a tribal politica system refashioned into a lethal ideology, is unalterably opposed to the modern world of democracy, science and individual freedom.


North Americans, if their doubts persist, should listen to Muslim victims of official Islam.
884 Sam I Am  Wed, Jan 11, 2006 6:32:40pm

EE

I don't want a clash of civilizations.

I will however defend myself, my family, my country.

I will paraphrase a great American now by stating that

"We will let our enemies die for their country"

-- George Patton

And another more recent great American

"We will arrange the meeting between the terrorists and Allah."

You paint me with a broad brush and say I am a "radical hater" and have blind killer rage.

You seem indignant that one should feel rage against our enemies. Too bad. I guess we should just say "oh well, they killed 3000 of our citizens (civilians) and we should try to reason with these people so we can understand them and come to an understanding.

I guess you would be indignant that some (most?) Americans felt the same way about the Japanese after the sneak attack against Pearl Harbor.

What is the difference between the attack on Pearl Harbor and the attack on the World Trade Centers?

Oh yeah, one was committed by a nation state ruled by militarists derived from the samurai code and the other was committed by terrorists. However, these terrorists are being aided by nation states (Iran, Syria, Iraq under Saddam, Palestinians, Saudi Arabia and Wahhabbists) who believe they are superior to all infidels (that means you too EE, plus anyone who does not follow the dictates of the Koran).

I make no distinction here for we are at war or are you too stupid, blind, or a pacifist to see that?

Democracy is great but it is incompatible with Islam. The Koran is the direct word of Allah (to the believers) and is not subject to interpretation or change by man. The Koran commands that infidels should be subjigated, that women are not the equals of men, and that democracy is not Islam.

Yes it would be nice if the Muslims could sort it out and moderate Islam but moderate Muslims can't moderate the message of Islam and try to have Islam co-exist with other religions and creeds because to do so is heresy because it goes counter to the word of Allah.

Any moderate Muslims is therefore a heretic and thus a target for death by fellow, traditional Muslims because he is worse than an infidel because he turned away from the true religion, Islam. Moderate Muslims have appeared may times over the course of history but they have ALWAYS been elminated because of their percieved heresy.

It has nothing to do with a "nationalized" or "politizied" Islam but everything to do with the very basic nature of Islam.

We in the West do not have the precious time to allow moderate Muslims to try to change the face of Islam (which again has occurred at different times over the course of history) or for this to play out while mainstream Muslims (read fundamentalist Muslims) try to acquire nukes, chemical and bio-weapons to use against America, Israel and other infidels.

Again, your "enlightened" viewpoint will just end up having us all killed or enslaved under the banner of Islam.

The best defense is a good offense. But you seem to forget your history and would rather die while feeling good about yourself instead of gritting your teeth and steeling yourself to do what must be done to ensure the survival of America, Israel and the West. We must prepare ourselves for the real carnage that will, unfortunately, be played out over the next several years.

And I for one, play to win and survive so again...

ISLAM MUST BE DESTROYED.

885 Sam I Am  Wed, Jan 11, 2006 7:01:48pm

You may be unmoved by my statements and still feel that I am blinded by rage and desire a clash of civilizations and that I am (and/or desire) war with Islam.

Well, I guess I am in good company because that well know hater, the vicar of Rome, Pope Benedict XVI apparently has the same view...

Hugh Hewitt

Benedict XVI on Islam and the West
by Hugh Hewitt
January 6, 2006 07:17 AM PST
Yesterday I interviewd Father Jospeh Fessio, Provosty of Ave Maria University in Naples, Florida, and student and friend of Benedict XVI. (Father Fessio is also the founder of Ignatius Press.) The entire interview should be read, and the transcript is here, but the most fascinating part concerned a gathering at Castle Gandolfo with the Pope and his students this past September, where the subject was Islam:

(Note I - Sam I Am)have edited this so it will fit on this post...

JF: But as background, I want to say without exaggeration, and without trying to become histrionic here, I see the trends...I've seen them for years, in Europe, of depopulation as you've mentioned. And their immigration is coming from the South, which is mainly Islamic. And there are, I think there are 98 Islamic countries in the world, and 97 of them do not have religious freedom. The only one that does is Mali, where Timbuktu is, you know. It's in a desert, so you can hardly count it. Sorry about any Malians who are listening to this program. And that's what's going to happen to Europe. Once there's an Islamic majority, it is going to not...it's going to eliminate religious freedom. However...and therefore, Western civilization as we know it. However, in the United States, we also are not having children. There's abortion. There's contraception. There's the ideal of a one or two child family. But where is our immigration coming from? From Ecuador, from Mexico, from Cuba, from Guatemala. And these people are Christians. And so, I believe without being...you know, having hubris as an American, I believe that Christians in the United States are the ones who will be able to save not just Christianity, but Western civilization, if we maintain our fidelity to the scriptures, our fidelity to Christ, our fidelity to family life, and our fidelity to fertility and fruitfulness in marriage. So I believe we are in a world historical century, which is going to depend upon the strength of Christianity in these United States. I say I think that's...I may raise my voice. I may get excited. I might waive a Bible or something like that, but I believe this is the hard facts, unless God...He could always...He's in charge. He could perform a miracle. He could do something we can't possibly have foreseen. But I see that as what's happening. Now, that's part one. The second part is shorter. The main presentation by this Father Troll was very interesting. He based it on a Pakistani Muslim scholar names Rashan, who was at the University of Chicago for many years, and Rashan's position was Islam can enter into dialogue with modernity, but only if it radically reinterprets the Koran, and takes the specific legislation of the Koran, like cutting off your hand if you're a thief, or being able to have four wives, or whatever, and takes the principles behind those specific pieces of legislation for the 7th Century of Arabia, and now applies them, and modifies them, for a new society which women are now respected for their full dignity, where democracy's important, religious freedom's important, and so on. And if Islam does that, then it will be able to enter into real dialogue and live together with other religions and other kinds of cultures.


(To be continued on next post

886 Sam I Am  Wed, Jan 11, 2006 7:04:44pm

Continued from

hugh hewitt

HH: Is he an optimist about that happening?

JF: He is, but interesting, Hugh, you know, all the seminars I recall with Joseph Ratzinger, Father Ratzinger, he'd always let the students speak. He'd wait until the end, and he would intervene. This is the first time I recall where he made an immediate statement. And I'm still struck by it, how powerful it was.

HH: We only have thirty seconds, Father Fessio.

JF: Oh, I can't do it.

HH: Then I want to come back after the break.

JF: Okay. Hugh, we've got to come back to this after the break.

HH: That's the greatest bridge ever.

JF: That'll keep your listeners.

HH: You betcha. No one's going to go away. And here's what the Pope said...

---

HH: Father Fessio, before the break, you were telling us that after the presentation at Castel Gandolfo by two scholars of Islam this summer with Benedict in attendance, as well as his former students, for the first time in your memory, the Pope did not allow his students to first comment and reserve comment, but in fact, went first. Why, and what did he say?

JF: Well, the thesis that was proposed by this scholar was that Islam can enter into the modern world if the Koran is reinterpreted by taking the specific legislation, and going back to the principles, and then adapting it to our times, especially with the dignity that we ascribe to women, which has come through Christianity, of course. And immediately, the Holy Father, in his beautiful calm but clear way, said well, there's a fundamental problem with that, because he said in the Islamic tradition, God has given His word to Mohammed, but it's an eternal word. It's not Mohammed's word. It's there for eternity the way it is. There's no possibility of adapting it or interpreting it, whereas in Christianity, and Judaism, the dynamism's completely different, that God has worked through His creatures. And so, it is not just the word of God, it's the word of Isaiah, not just the word of God, but the word of Mark. He's used His human creatures, and inspired them to speak His word to the world, and therefore by establishing a Church in which he gives authority to His followers to carry on the tradition and interpret it, there's an inner logic to the Christian Bible, which permits it and requires it to be adapted and applied to new situations. I was...I mean, Hugh, I wish I could say it as clearly and as beautifully as he did, but that's why he's Pope and I'm not, okay? That's one of the reasons. One of others, but his seeing that distinction when the Koran, which is seen as something dropped out of Heaven, which cannot be adapted or applied, even, and the Bible, which is a word of God that comes through a human community, it was stunning.

HH: And so, is it fair to describe him as a pessimist about the prospect of modernity truly engaging Islam in the way modernity has engaged Christianity?

JF: Well, the other way around.

HH: Yes. I meant that.

JF: Yeah, that Christianity can engage modernity just like it did...the Jews did Egypt, or Christians did to Greece, because we can take what's good there, and we can elevate it through the revelation of Christ in the Bible. But Islam is stuck. It's stuck with a text that cannot be adapted, or even be interpreted properly.

HH: And so the Pope is a pessimist about that changing, because it would require a radical reinterpretation of what the Koran is?

JF: Yeah, which is it's impossible, because it's against the very nature of the Koran, as it's understood by Muslims.

More to follow...

887 Sam I Am  Wed, Jan 11, 2006 7:12:42pm

Final bit from...

hugh hewitt


HH: And so, even the dialectic that was the Reformation is not possible within Islam?

JF: No. And then a second thing which he did not say, but which I would have said, I might have said at the time, is that...and this is from a Catholic point of view, there's no one to interpret the Koran officially. the Catholic Church has an official interpretor, which is the Holy Father with the bishops.

HH: Right. Well, let me ask you then. If, in fact, that reformation within Islam is not possible in the eyes of the Pope, and the demographics do not change, as they are unlikely to change in Europe, the last time Christendom went under the waves, so to speak, in Europe, there were the monasteries, beseiged as they were by the barbarians, sacked as they were by the Vikings, they endured.

JF: Yeah.

There is more to this article but I have made my point.

888 EE  Thu, Jan 12, 2006 4:36:42pm
You seem indignant that one should feel rage against our enemies.


No, I question your very broad definition of who our enemies are. The Iraqi Muslims who are fighting on our side are not our enemies. They are our comrades in arms.

And in future battles, there are likely going to be Muslims who are our partners in battle, our comrades in arms. They too are not our enemies.

You use the word "enemies" loosely, as if I agree with you concerning who our enemy is. And that is exactly where I disagree with you.

You use too broad a brush, for our times, in painting who the enemy is, because we have allies who are Muslims, who are fighting on our side, who certainly cannot be alienated by calling them our enemy, and who should not be treated as our enemy.

If you want to war against all Islam, and against the entire ummah, then perhaps you were born many centuries too late. Today about one person in 5 is a Muslim, in the world. With the rapid birth rate of Muslims, soon it will be one person in 4 that is a Muslim. Your proposal to destroy Islam doesn't make sense on any level. What would you do to destroy Islam? Do you have a plan? Is it genocide? Is it burning the books of Islam including the Koran? Is it enslaving all Muslims? Is it converting them?

Knock knock (knocking on a Muslim door).
Who is there?
Islam's Nemesis.
What do you want?
I want you to let me in, so that I can destroy your religion.

What do you accomplish by calling for the destruction of Islam that isn't accomplished simply by calling for warring against radical Islamism?

When radical Islamism is militarily defeated, then, as Daniel Pipes has suggested, the moderate Muslims will be the ones to address the pathologies of Islam, including the big three that Pipes cites: (1) the attitude concerning jihad; (2) the attitude concerning women's rights; and (3) the attitude concerning sharia. The attitudes toward these big three need to be change.

The reformers have to come as healers, so that they will be accepted. If they come to destroy Islam, they will not be invited into the hearts and minds of Muslims.

889 EE  Thu, Jan 12, 2006 5:52:51pm

re #888
After radical Islamism is militarily defeated, then the job of reforming Islam will fall to the moderates, according to Pipes. He calls it modernizing Islam.
I referred to it as healing Islam of its pathologies; don't blame Pipes for that terminology.

Pipes calls it "modernizing". That seems like the right approach.

890 EE  Fri, Jan 13, 2006 2:01:40am
There is more to this article but I have made my point.


No, the article you quoted does not speak at all about trying to destroy Islam. It acknowledges the impending Islamization of Europe, and seeks ways that Christianity can survive during that coming era.

Nowhere does it propose an effort to destroy Islam. Nowhere does it state that an effort to destroy Islam would be more easily done than an effort to modernize Islam so that it is more compatible with the modern world.

I will suggest a way that Christian Europe can help its survival: have children. The Muslim population doubles every generation. The non-Muslim population of Europe declines every generation. Where this is leading is obvious.

Europe is going to be a province of Islam.

891 Sam I Am  Fri, Jan 13, 2006 2:29:33am

ee

the real thrust of the article and my point is that Pope Benedict XVI sees that Islam cannot reform itself due to its very nature.

Islam is still rooted in the 7th century and cannot advance or modernize due to its very nature.

For example, Muslims don't pay interest because it is forbidden in the Koran -- a factor as to why their economies cannot advance.

The Bible makes the same claim but Christians have moved beyond that part of the Bible and most if not all Chirstians don't believe that and do believe in paying and collecting interest.

And because of the fact that Islam cannot reform/advance/modernize, it must be discredited ala the very same way that Nazism and Imperial Japan were discredited.

There are still active followers and adherents to Nazism in this country but they are rightly identified as extremists and are shunned by most people.

We don't need to banned Islam but just discredit it to the point where most people will see it for what it is -- a vile, hate filled "religion" based upon converting (by the sword), enslaving or killing the infidel to establish the "House of Islam" over the ENTIRE WORLD.


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