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WaPo Columnist: Hamas Leader Mousa Abu Marzook

Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 8:32:41 am PST

What the hell is wrong with the Washington Post? Who decided it would be a good idea to let a deported Hamas terrorist recite his propaganda talking points?

This really is hitting bottom, folks. Convicted terrorist Mousa Abu Marzook: What Hamas Is Seeking.

Shame on the Washington Post.

UPDATE at 1/31/06 8:50:13 am:

And in a related story, the Chicago Tribune is trying to interfere in the trial of one of Marzook’s cronies: Chicago Judge Urged to Open Hamas Hearing.

CHICAGO - The Chicago Tribune has urged a federal judge to reject the government’s request for a closed hearing for a man accused of laundering money for the Palestinian militant group Hamas.

A ruling on whether to exclude the public and news media from Muhammad Salah’s March 6 hearing was expected this week. Hamas, which won a landslide victory last week in Palestinian elections, is branded a terrorist organization by the United States.

The government says a closed hearing is necessary to protect Israeli witnesses from possible reprisals. But on Monday, the Tribune urged U.S. District Judge Amy St. Eve to reject the request.

“Secrecy can destroy the legitimacy of government institutions, including our criminal courts in particular,” the newspaper said in a 20-page memorandum filed with the court. “Secrecy can cripple accountability of public servants and public trust in the judicial process. Secrecy can hide abuses of fundamental rights of citizens.”

Federal prosecutors want to use as evidence against Salah a confession that Israeli agents obtained from him in 1993 after he was arrested there. The agents’ testimony could help clear up the question of whether Salah confessed only after being tortured, as he claims. Besides closing the court, prosecutors want the Israeli agents to be allowed to testify under aliases and wearing “light disguises.”

Salah’s attorneys argue that their client has a constitutional right to confront his accusers. The Tribune brief, filed by attorney Natalie J. Spears, took issue with a government claim that there was no alternative to closing the courtroom. “Justice does not mean doing what is most convenient,” it said. ...

Salah, 51, is charged along with Mousa Mohammed Abu Marzook and Abdelhaleem Hasan Abdelraziq Ashqar of Alexandria, Va., of taking part in a 15-year racketeering conspiracy to provide money and weapons to Hamas. They are accused of using bank accounts in several states to launder money used for murder, kidnappings, assaults and passport fraud.

Salah and Ashqar have pleaded not guilty. Marzook, identified by federal officials as a top official of the Hamas political bureau, is believed to be living in Syria.

“Believed to be living in Syria?” If anyone really needs to know where Marzook is, just ask the Washington Post where they sent the check.

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1 Black George Bush  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:33:47am

Hi mom.

2 red satellite  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:34:14am

A great day...Alito confirmed.

3 Abu Maven  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:34:30am

Taqiyya.

4 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:35:36am

What's to be surprised about? They're the enemy, so naturally they give aid, comfort, and page space to their comrades.

5 The Other Les  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:35:56am

Speaking of propaganda:

A Democrat's website shows a photoshopped image of a Republican member of Congress in a National Socialist uniform. (Has anyone noticed that I rarely use the word "Nazi"?)

Here's the Powerline posting on it.

And here's the screen capture image of the offending photo.

The Saint Paul paper's online article somehow fails to mention the party affiliation of both candidates.

Gosh, I suppose they wouldn't want to give the impression that the Donks Democrats are a bunch of whiny immature losers now would they?

And while we're at it, what does Comrade Colleen Rowley mean when she says that she is an "Agent for Change" and for "ethical decision-making"?

Will she decide to beat up more productive people to take more of their stuff to give to more deliberate parasites?

Have to go to work now, bye.
_

6 pat  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:37:14am

Translation: When we are ready we will kill you. Meanwhile, can you spare a dime?

7 wily  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:37:30am

And what a load of crap at that. Are we supposed to believe he really thinks this way?

8 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:37:54am

Expect a full-court press in the coming days: "We can't leave the Palestinians to starve just because they elected Hamas!"

It won't take long for the EU to cave. And I'm not so sure about US.

9 Ariel  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:39:14am

Don't worry, Charles, they will do worse.

10 bruiser  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:39:17am

The only transparency in government that Hamas provides are the gaping holes in Jewish shopping malls and pizzarias.

11 sakublock  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:39:21am

" Muslims gave the Jewish community worldwide."

Thanks we can take care of our own, very well in fact.

12 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:39:22am

If anything, he has a future in stand-up comedy:

Despite the pressures of occupation and corrupt self-rule, Palestinian civil society has demonstrated its resilience in the face of repressive conditions. Social institutions can now be given new life under a reformed government that embraces the empowerment of the people, facilitates freedoms and protects civil rights.

Civil rights. Heh.

13 dustyroadguy  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:39:30am
DAMASCUS, Syria -- A new era in the struggle for Palestinian liberation is upon us. Through historic fair and free elections, the Palestinian people have spoken.

Accordingly, America's long-standing tradition of supporting the oppressed's rights to self-determination should not waver. The United States, the European Union and the rest of the world should welcome the unfolding of the democratic process, and the commitment to aid should not falter. Last week's victory of the Change and Reform Party in the Palestinian legislative elections signals a new hope for an occupied people

i get it now, this explains where Dean spent the DNC's campaign funds......

Article linked above by Charles

14 loppyd  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:39:31am

A new low....this is beyond the pale.

15 Van Impe  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:40:00am

The Guardian is also providing PR services for Hamas (not surprising):

We will not sell our people or principles for foreign aid
It is widely recognised that the Palestinians are among the most politicised and educated peoples in the world. When they went to the polls last Wednesday they were well aware of what was on offer and those who voted for Hamas knew what it stood for. They chose Hamas because of its pledge never to give up the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people and its promise to embark on a programme of reform. There were voices warning them, locally and internationally, not to vote for an organisation branded by the US and EU as terrorist because such a democratically exercised right would cost them the financial aid provided by foreign donors.
Our message to the US and EU governments is this: your attempt to force us to give up our principles or our struggle is in vain. Our people who gave thousands of martyrs, the millions of refugees who have waited for nearly 60 years to return home and our 9,000 political and war prisoners in Israeli jails have not made those sacrifices in order to settle for close to nothing.
Our message to the Muslim and Arab nations is this: you have a responsibility to stand by your Palestinian brothers and sisters whose sacrifices are made on behalf of all of you. Our people in Palestine should not need to wait for any aid from countries that attach humiliating conditions to every dollar or euro they pay despite their historical and moral responsibility for our plight. We expect you to step in and compensate the Palestinian people for any loss of aid and we demand you lift all restrictions on civil society institutions that wish to fundraise for the Palestinian cause.
Our message to the Palestinians is this: our people are not only those who live under siege in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip but also the millions languishing in refugee camps in Lebanon, Jordan and Syria and the millions spread around the world unable to return home. We promise you that nothing in the world will deter us from pursuing our goal of liberation and return. We shall spare no effort to work with all factions and institutions in order to put our Palestinian house in order. Having won the parliamentary elections, our medium-term objective is to reform the PLO in order to revive its role as a true representative of all the Palestinian people, without exception or discrimination.
Our message to the Israelis is this: we do not fight you because you belong to a certain faith or culture. Jews have lived in the Muslim world for 13 centuries in peace and harmony; they are in our religion "the people of the book" who have a covenant from God and His Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him) to be respected and protected. Our conflict with you is not religious but political. We have no problem with Jews who have not attacked us - our problem is with those who came to our land, imposed themselves on us by force, destroyed our society and banished our people.
We shall never recognise the right of any power to rob us of our land and deny us our national rights. We shall never recognise the legitimacy of a Zionist state created on our soil in order to atone for somebody else's sins or solve somebody else's problem. But if you are willing to accept the principle of a long-term truce, we are prepared to negotiate the terms. Hamas is extending a hand of peace to those who are truly interested in a peace based on justice.

al-Guardian

16 aRedPhishHead  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:40:06am

Not surprising, given the MSM's clinically insane denial that there is no law being violated with the NSA surveillance...

Alito is in - the Donks are out!

17 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:40:34am

It isn't surprising that the WaPo is doing this, but this is all part of a process to 'legitimatize and normalize' relations with Hamas. Once you get folks accepting that these guys can and should be heard, the fact that they are a terrorist group, always have been, always will be, drops by the boards.

Instead, it's replaced with nonsensical notions that Hamas can be dealt with as a rational partner in 'peace.'

In reality, Hamas is simply lying about its intentions and telling folks in the western media exactly what they want to hear, and even then they're not exactly hiding their intentions. They may say they're all for multiculturalism, but considering that Hamas' first move was to impose Shari'a and make war with Jews first and foremost in their charter, along with the subjugation of nonMuslims, you've got to wonder what kind of multi-culti world they're talking about- the dhimmi kind.

18 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:40:59am

George Orwell was right. There are some things so stupid only an "intellectual" could believe them. There appear to be many "intellectuals" at the Washington Post.

My favorite quote from the article:

The results of these elections reflect a need for change from the corruption and intransigence of the past government. Since its creation 10 years ago, the Palestinian Legislative Council has been unsuccessful in addressing the needs of the people. As the occupation solidified its grip under the auspices of "peace agreements," quality of life deteriorated for Palestinians in the occupied territories. Poverty levels soared, unemployment rates reached uncharted heights and the lack of basic security approached unbearable depths. A grass-roots alternative grew out of the urgency of this situation. Through its legacy of social work and involvement in the needs of the Palestinian people, the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) flourished as a positive social force striving for the welfare of all Palestinians.

Translation: We'll make the trains to the death camps run on time!

19 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:41:26am
20 Broomer  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:41:40am

Substitute "Hamas" for "Germany Socialist Party" and roll back the clock to 1939. Think WaPo would've published that?

JG

21 Barking Pumpkin  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:42:17am

Just wrote the following letter to the editor. I doubt that it will get published.

So now the Washington Post has become a shill for Hamas (What Hamas Is Seeking by Mousa Abu Marzook). You should be ashamed of yourselves, but if you'll publish this propaganda, you have no shame left. Feh.
22 rockman  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:42:29am

Anyone familiar with HAMAS and the HAMAS charter knows exactly what they are seeking. It's the destruction of Israel that they are dedicated to, and all that implies. Savage Bastards.

23 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:42:31am

Will somebody PLEASE get the Muslims a copy of Mel Brooks "History of the World - Part I". I am a little fuzzy on the exact timeline but I think the major religions in order of appearance were Jewish, Christianity, and then Islam. Unless of course the Muslims have invented time travel without telling the rest of us.

24 Anant  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:42:51am

I'm not really sure how this is any different from letting a spokesman for the Saudis or Iranians or Pakistanis or Syrians or anyone else publish an op-ed. He may be slime, but he's also a spokesman for a duly elected political party (of slime) in a recognized "state" (of slime-electors). This sort of thing is standard practice for newspapers. Let him shoot his mouth off all he wants - the Palestinians will pay the price for voting for Hamas. Let's see how long their sharia paradise lasts when Western funding gets cut off.

25 doppelganglander  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:43:06am

#8 Cato the Elder:

Expect a full-court press in the coming days: "We can't leave the Palestinians to starve just because they elected Hamas!"

I have no problem with letting people experience the natural consequences of their actions. Why have we been supporting these thugs all these years anyway? Let Dhimmi Carter build them houses or something.

26 moonsbreath  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:43:06am

I think the little bio of the writer at the bottom says it all.

The writer is deputy political bureau chief of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas). He has a U.S. doctorate in engineering and was indicted in the United States in 2004 as a co-conspirator on racketeering and money-laundering charges in connection with activities on behalf of Hamas dating to the early 1990s, before the organization was placed on the list of terrorist groups. He was deported to Jordan in 1997.

To the Washington Post: It ain't April Fool's day yet, but thanks for the cosmic joke anyways.

27 Indefatigable  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:43:16am

Hey, El WaPo:

How about letting Hamas victims write a piece? You know, the ones that aren't dead.

28 m  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:43:55am

23 Just_A_Grunt

Unless of course the Muslims have invented time travel without telling the rest of us.

Not yet, but if someone ever does it will be claimed by Islam. No doubt about it.

29 Ariel  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:44:33am

This article just calls for a good fisking. Almost all of it is flatly contradicted by either (1) the Hamas charter or (2) past Hamas actions.

30 yochanan  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:44:56am

MAZEL TOV
SCOTUS Judge Alito!

31 Joel  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:45:19am

Hey maybe during World War II the WaPo could give Eichmann a guest column.

32 doppelganglander  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:45:37am

#23 Just_a_Grunt: The Koran claims that Abraham, Moses, et al. were Muslims, they just didn't know it yet. I say the Muslims are screwed, they just don't know it yet.

33 Chicken Kiev  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:46:35am

Not surprising. In similar news, Brandeis University has hired a Pali professor with links to Islamic Jihad.

... Yes, THAT Islamic Jihad.

The Zionist Organization of America issued a statement Tuesday calling on donors to rethink their financial support for Brandeis if the university fails to reconsider its appointment of Palestinian political scientist Khalil Shikaki....

The ZOA alleges that more than a decade ago, Shikaki had ties to the Palestinian terrorist group Islamic Jihad, of which his late brother was a leader.... Shikaki is a sought-after speaker at major American think tanks.... He is currently an adviser to the State Department ....

Shikaki was the focus of an article published Tuesday in The New York Sun, which raised concerns over Shikaki's apparent role in distributing money a decade ago on behalf of individuals with alleged ties to Islamic Jihad. The individuals were associates of University of South Florida professor Sami Al-Arian, who was recently acquitted of terrorism charges, along with three associates, in a high-profile trial in Tampa. During the trial, government wiretaps of discussions with Shikaki were presented as evidence.

The Sun article cites wiretaps of conversations from early 1995, in which an associate of Al-Arian asked Shikaki to bring money to the West Bank for Palestinian "orphans," allegedly code for Islamic Jihad. Shikaki initially agreed, but later changed his mind, a few days after President Clinton signed an executive order barring financial transactions with Islamic Jihad because of its terrorist activities.

Shikaki, whose brother Fat'hi was a founder of Islamic Jihad, could not be immediately reached for comment....

One of Shikaki's main critics, terrorism expert Steven Emerson, acknowledged that no evidence exists linking Shikaki to Islamic Jihad since Clinton signed the 1995 executive order. The problem, Emerson said, is that Shikaki denies ever having had any link to Islamic Jihad.

34 mojo9  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:46:48am

"Our society has always celebrated pluralism in keeping with the unique history and traditions of the Holy Land. In recognizing Judeo-Christian traditions, Muslims nobly vie for and have the greatest incentive and stake in preserving the Holy Land for all three Abrahamic faiths."
(cough) i call bullshit on that one!

35 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:48:05am

Supporting the Palistinians now would be like supporting Germany after they elected Hitler. Wait, the Palis did that too.

Cut them off.

36 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:48:17am

I thought this was the most entertaining part:

Our society has always celebrated pluralism in keeping with the unique history and traditions of the Holy Land. In recognizing Judeo-Christian traditions, Muslims nobly vie for and have the greatest incentive and stake in preserving the Holy Land for all three Abrahamic faiths. In addition, fair governance demands that the Palestinian nation be represented in a pluralistic environment. A new breed of Islamic leadership is ready to put into practice faith-based principles in a setting of tolerance and unity.

Which 'society' did he have in mind?

37 Prester John  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:48:18am

All you need to do is look at the cartoons in the editorial/opinion section of the WaPo to see that is becoming increasingly hard to take it as a serious paper. The cartoons by Toles are infantile, not clever at all, are poorly drawn and are nothing more than a visual manifestation of BDS. Today for example there is a drawing of Bush (with the exaggerated ears hanging out of course) at the podium in front of a backdrop that has "Democracy" all over it. He is holding papers labeled "Iran, Iraq, and Hamas". Bush is leaning over to Rove and asks him "Why do they keep electing lunatics?" and Rove answers "You've been telling them to follow the U.S. example."
Har, har, har, so funny, so clever, so profound.

38 Dave the.....  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:48:26am

#5 Les

I live within 100 yards of Kine's district. Unfortunetely I'm stuck in the district represented by a lady I affectionately call "Baghdad Betty", for her support of Saddamn before the liberation.

Kline is a Marine hero, and if I remember right, carried the nuclear codes briefcase for the President several years ago.

Colleen is a weird hag. And she did hang out with Mother Sheehen in Texas.

39 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:49:00am
and the protection that Muslims gave the Jewish community worldwide.

WTF,
Who writes these fng speechs,

Rudolf Hess is that you,
are you still alive?

40 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:49:33am
41 Broomer  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:49:39am

#24

Hamas. Let's see how long their sharia paradise lasts when Western funding gets cut off.

You're missing the point. The MSM are putting on a steamrolling show to ensure that funding continue.

JG

42 tigger2005  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:49:44am

If we would only reach out and try to understand these people, we would have peace.

/moonbat

43 foreign devil  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:49:59am

"The writer is deputy political bureau chief of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas). He has a U.S. doctorate in engineering and was indicted in the United States in 2004 as a co-conspirator on racketeering and money-laundering charges in connection with activities on behalf of Hamas dating to the early 1990s, before the organization was placed on the list of terrorist groups. He was deported to Jordan in 1997."

Do we get equal time in the WaPo to state our objectives and wants?

44 Dave the.....  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:50:20am

#24 Anant

I have to agree. Let him talk. Then we can challenge what he says. And at least it's on the editorial page. My local paper has run some NYT articles as news that definitly should be listed as opinion.

45 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:50:44am

# 33 Chicken Kiev

Shikaki is a sought-after speaker at major American think tanks.... He is currently an adviser to the State Department

If he's Kosher enough for the State Department, why wouldn't he be Kosher enough for Brandeis?

/sarc

46 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:51:04am

A multiculturalist feels no shame - he just finds it in others.

47 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:51:12am

What are the chances that some of the points made in this "editorial" find their way into the Democratic response to President Bush's State of the Union speech?

48 nagasaki_hata  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:51:40am

Let him! -- we should not stifle this blatant propaganda. Are we afraid of the 1st Amendment? Have some faith folks won't be dazzled by the Hamas, come on.

Meanwhile, here's a bit on stifling speech in Britain

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

What's at stake is the right to insult and cause offence

The religious hatred bill shifts the cultural balance away from free speech and towards appeasement

The culture of thought-crime and self-censorship is a creeping thing. Invisibly it chills debate and cautions editors, publishers and TV producers. It restrains the pen and puts marbles in the mouth of free speech. If only Voltaire were speaking in the House of Commons this evening when MPs have a chance to vote against a law that makes offending or insulting religion a crime with a seven-year prison sentence.

The incitement to religious hatred bill, put first by David Blunkett five years ago, has bounced back and forth, opposed by Tories and Lib Dems, The intellectual demolition has been led by the National Secular Society, with Humanists, Liberty, Pen the writers' group and comedy writers led by Rowan Atkinson now joined by Christian Institute fundamentalists afraid their hell-fire sermons will put them in peril.

49 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:52:35am

Hamas:

Go to Hell.

Go straight to Hell.

Do not stop. Do not collect any Dollars.

Get out of Hell cards are not valid.

50 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:53:28am

Good article. I'm sure he means every word of it. [nudge nudge wink wink]

51 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:54:28am

#48 nagasaki

The religious hatred bill shifts the cultural balance away from free speech and towards appeasement


So if I said something like Episcopalians are nothing but pissed off Catholics, I could get 7 years in jail.

52 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:54:55am

I think we need another Iran bomb thread today.


Michael Ledeen told Bill Bennett this morning that he thinks Iran already has a bomb or two, and is just waiting to mate a warhead to a missile (ie, built in deterrence) before announcing it.

BTW, perhaps Russia already knows this. The UNSC meeting won't happen before late March from what I understand. I think Russia may be running interference to minimize chance of military action until Iran has proven nuclear deterrence.

53 nagasaki_hata  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:55:29am

Forgot this great quote, appropriate for all (Americans, too) to etch in their minds.

"The most tyrannical of governments are those which make crimes of opinions, for everyone has an inalienable right to his thoughts." - Baruch Spinoza

54 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:55:48am

# 43 FD

The truth is, as I pointed out on my blog when I ran this article, that if Bibi Netanyahu had a bit more courage nine years ago, Marzook would have been deported to Israel rather than Jordan. Then he wouldn't be writing op-ed's for the WaPo - or if he did he'd be writing them from an Israeli jail. We don't see much of Marwan the Moron these days, do we?

55 Skippy  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:57:27am

#20 Broomer wrote:

Substitute "Hamas" for "Germany Socialist Party" and roll back the clock to 1939. Think WaPo would've published that?

No, absolutely not. But, substitute substitute Stalin's USSR for Hamas and you can be certain the useful idiots of that time's MSM would have slavishly shilled for the enemy just as they do today. Walter Duranty was just the tip of the iceberg.

56 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:57:40am
57 nagasaki_hata  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:58:20am

#49 Cato the Elder

Yep, down there on the 6th Level, along with his butt buddy Mohammad!

58 Black George Bush  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:58:55am
We can but sincerely hope that you use your honest judgment and the blessings of ascendancy God has given you to demand an end to the occupation. Meaningful democracy cannot flourish as long as an external force maintains the balance of power. It is the right of all people to pursue their own destiny.

,and by "end to the occupation" I mean destruction of Israel; and by "destruction of Israel" I mean relocate it to Europe; and by "relocate Israel to Europe" I mean wipe Israel off the face of the map.

59 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6:58:55am

# 52 Ed

On my blog, this morning, I argued that since by March Iran will be past the point of no return, Russia's and China's 'consent' is a farce, and Condi's statement that there is still plenty of room for 'diplomacy' is a sick joke.

60 Judith  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:00:48am

I just love that line about how Hamas acknowledges the Judeo Christian traditions.

Sounds so fine.

Hamas and their ilk do indeed acknowledge the Judeo-Christian roots of Islam while believing the Jews and Christians are willfully ignoring the truth i.e. Islam which has supplanted Judaisam AND Christianity and therefore its practioners all deserve to die.

Of course it isa very well written piece and shows a masterful command of the English language. Good PR people.

61 Matticus Finch  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:01:14am

ibmkeyboard-

I'm with you....

We ask them to reflect on the peace that our peoples once enjoyed and the protection that Muslims gave the Jewish community worldwide.

What is he talking about? The only protections that muslims ever afforded Jews was protection from peace.

Say it enough, and it will become truth to many, despite the slaughter of innocents.

62 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:02:04am
63 mattm  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:02:15am

The defeatist dems thought it would be a good idea.

64 SaneInMN  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:04:25am

24 Anant...

Yes, this is different. The Saudi princes are not our friends, and no doubt, indirectly support terrorist organizations, usually in an attempt to buy them off. However, Marzook is a convicted terrorist, not linked to such and such or sympathizes with this guy, etc.

This brings me to another question, related to a thread last night concerning Jill Carroll. Where do we really draw the line regarding who is and who isn't the enemy? Ms. Carroll, although anti-war, does not appear to be someone I would call the enemy, but what about Amanpour, Isikoff, Rich, Jordan, etc.? Personally, I regard the last four people I mentioned above as no different than an agent working for al-qaeda. Following that logic, if one of those people were to be killed or taken hostage in the WOT, I would not shed a teer. I wonder how many of Americans agree/disagree with this sentiment?

65 westoner  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:07:39am

#15 Van Impe

A good fisking of the guardian hamas white wash is at The Daily Ablution

It's almost comical watching the MSM desperately trying to sanitize these terror groups, a consequence of so much ideological capital having been wasted on the “Palestinian cause”.

66 Semper Gumbi  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:07:57am

#53 nagasaki-hata

I think Mo is in the eighth circle. The sixth is for heretics. Mo was a sower of discord so belongs in the eighth.

The Physical Structure of the Inferno

67 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:08:10am

The Chicago Tribune does not understand that in confronting this radical islamic enemy, we are confronting something so profoundly Other, so completely alien to our way of living and our sense of fair play, that our usual rules should not, cannot apply.

Yes this is a dangerous exception to our normal openness but we need to trust our common sense enough to know that we can close hearings when we need to, and not at the other times when a court deals with one of our own bad guys, so to speak.

I am sure we are honorable enough.

68 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:08:37am

58 Black George Bush

That's one way to read it, but it can also be read: "Pay up your jizya without any strings attached. We're independent, and thus accountable to no one, but you still owe us money."

69 Indefatigable  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:08:37am

MSM: "Excuse me. Hamas, do you advocate the destruction of Israel?"

Hamas: "No, no, of course not. We just don't want it to be alive anymore."

MSM: "What about this document here that says you want Israel to be destroyed?"

Hamas: "That? Oh... that's just a screenplay for a made-for-Al-Jazeera movie. One of the main characters will use that."

MSM: "What about this sentence here that says, 'This is not a screenplay. We actually believe in the destruction of Israel.'?

Hamas: "Oh... um... the character will be writing a screenplay, too. You see, it's about a screenplay writer who writes about destroying Israel. All in good fun."

MSM: "That works for me. Thank you."

70 jhn1  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:09:29am

THis should be the answer to any idiot that thinks that the Tribune is conservative. "The Tribune just plays one on TV". From legal battles to open Senate candidate Ryan's sealed divorce, but not those likely equally sealed (and explosive) Presidential candidate Kerry, to crap like this, it should be obvious to all and sundry, that the Tribune just pretends to be a "conservative" newspaper.

71 Semper Gumbi  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:09:46am

PIMF

#57 nagasaki_hata not #53

72 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:12:49am

No. 59 Carl -

" Condi's statement that there is still plenty of room for 'diplomacy' is a sick joke. "

Yes but she ought to say this until the last possible second (the planes are in the air) to help the effort with at least some element of suprise. I think that is the plan, and these people are not stupid.

73 mj  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:16:25am

While not quite to the 5th columnist level of the other two newspapers, the reliably anti-Israel Christian Science Monitor today weighs in on how to deal with Islamic movements:

"...Most of all, especially with Hamas and Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, it ( the US ) must work with moderates within such radical Islamic camps. These groups are hardly unified in their policies, and can be splintered".

Just like the "moderates" in Iran, no doubt.

74 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:16:42am

Carl in Jerusalem has a blog?


I shall now visit it.

75 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:18:01am

But I shall not comment, I don't remember my Blogger ID and password.

76 paint-right  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:20:34am

Hamas is saying: Let's let bygones be bygones until some time has gone by ... then.....right back in business again with fresh uniforms and explosives and belts and ski masks.

I'm trying to picture Hanan Ashwari in a full burka. She'll be the one with the cigarette hanging out the porthole.

And finally, like the horrid child that it is, Hamas blames the "occupation" and the "poverty" on those who had to defend themselves from Hamas and impose restrictions and discipline. They could have gotten the moon on a string if they had just stopped killing innocent Israelis all these years.

They could have had Hiltons and Sheratons up and down the beaches, tourists, farms, and factories, they could have had it all, but have instead turned all their "intellectual" ability and energy into blowing up buses and restaurants and wearing green headscarves and shooting guns in the air.

No money from us. Go get it from Suha. Get it from Switzerland.

77 j-damn  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:21:17am
" Condi's statement that there is still plenty of room for 'diplomacy' is a sick joke. "

Yes but she ought to say this until the last possible second (the planes are in the air)

Hey, it worked for the Japanese.

78 miguelj  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:22:43am

re the WaPo Hamas columnist: dialogue with no pre-conditions? Sounds pretty good to me. I mean, it's not as if the man is a cynic or something who will turn around and--once the Western aid funds are stowed safely in Grand Cayman--address his own people in Arabic and scream that the Jews must be driven into the sea. I mean, like show a little trust here, people. No one could be that cynical, right? Right?

79 j-damn  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:23:57am
Ms. Carroll, although anti-war, does not appear to be someone I would call the enemy,

Was the part of the solution? No, she was part of the problem. Not helping us? You're helping them.

80 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:24:59am

# 62 AI

Matzav means situation.

My wife is a saint. But the truth is that the older ones (at this point, the 4th and 5th ones - the oldest is engaged and is getting married in two months God willing, and the 2nd and 3rd ones are in Yeshiva dormitories) take care of the three youngest.

# 72 Ojoe

Good point. I just hope she can separate tactics from fantasy.

81 Terp Mole  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:25:39am

Meanwhile in academia;

Osama Drama

I love saying “I told you so.” And sure enough, as I turned on Oprah the other day, her well-dressed audience listened with horror when they discovered Osama bin Laden had released another tape.
-----
The “Osama Drama” is not going to end, even long after he’s dead. Attacks are imminent if foreign policy decisions continue to be made in the same way, neglecting countries and their difficulties in development, therefore perpetuating further international hatred toward the United States.

I’m a naturalized American, like many others I know. Foreign born or not, Americans cherish being able to laud and/or criticize anything in our lives...

In this case, the author uses academia to laud Osama.

/*spit*

82 Fatal  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:30:30am

So, the muslims are all multi-culti and "protective" of the "Abrahamic faiths"?

It only seems fair to me then, that since the "holiest" city in Islam, Mecca, is closed to people of any other religion (especially Jews and Christians - those other "Abrahamic faiths"), then these tolerant and multi-culti muslims would agree that the holiest city in Judaism, Jerusalem, be closed to people of any other religion.

Therefore, I am sure that Hamas and Islam will agree to have all non-jews, including the muslims, removed from Jerusalem, to have all mosques/churches disassembled, to have the city closed to anyone who is not jewish and the Jews will be left to deal with the city as they deem appropriate, to include the rebuilding of the temple.

Right?

The Christians? Heck, they already have Washington D.C.

Right? ?

::crickets::

83 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:30:34am

No. 80 Carl in Jerusalem -

My mom had 8 kids. (Catholic). I was the oldest. It was a lot of work, but it was the best. To Life! in a very basic way.

Gotta get some work done! Out for now.

84 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:30:54am

#20 Broomer:

The answer is yes. They would. And would probably make the same inevitable excuses for publication.

And it's not like we haven't seen this before either. Hamas is doing the same thing that Arafat and the PLO did.

85 Lightspede  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:39:00am

Hello again, everyone. Work does intrude on my participation from time to time. Anyway, the big question now is - "will the LIBS now try to disrupt the SOTU speech tonight"..

86 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:42:34am
87 Lightspede  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:53:21am

Sorry, work is once again interfering with my ability to BLOG..be back soon.

88 Beagle  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 7:57:56am
Our society has always celebrated pluralism in keeping with the unique history and traditions of the Holy Land. In recognizing Judeo-Christian traditions, Muslims nobly vie for and have the greatest incentive and stake in preserving the Holy Land for all three Abrahamic faiths. In addition, fair governance demands that the Palestinian nation be represented in a pluralistic environment. A new breed of Islamic leadership is ready to put into practice faith-based principles in a setting of tolerance and unity.


HAMAS now has lawyers and PR people.

What were those 'advantages' to HAMAS "being out in the open" and the "mask being off" again?

89 tigger2005  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 8:21:47am

# 88 Beagle

Goebbels and the Nazis were rank amateurs compared to these people. The students have far surpassed the master ...

90 gymnast  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 8:28:06am

The fifth column meets the fourth estate and it is love at first sight every time. The gestation period for the big lie produced as a result of their union is now measured in minutes as a result of advances in electronic communication. In many cases the relationship between the fifth column and fourth estates is incestuous or hermaphroditic.

Am I wrong to assume that the press at it's core is rotten?

91 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 8:46:48am
92 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 8:48:49am
93 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 9:10:13am

# 86 AI

I don't have sidecurls, but four of my sons do (and the other one is the baby - he's not having a haircut until he's three).

I'm not strictly a black suit and white shirt person, but one son is and another is on his way to that.

94 gymnast  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 9:13:38am

Rayra, she is a "facilitator of redistribution and social change" doncha' know. society used to have a simple word for such people-thief.

95 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 9:19:29am
96 RaiderDan  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 9:25:51am

So the Washington Post is shilling for Hamas?

Well, what do you expect from a newspaper that prints a bogus unreviewed study showing conservatives are racists? (and the authors are Democrat contributors to boot?)

[Link: newsbusters.org...]


I wonder if the Washington Post, filled with guilty white liberals in a majority African-American town, would publish an op-ed from David Duke, ``explaining'' his ``goals''

Spit.

And the Washington Post wonders why its circulation is declining.

97 TalkinKamel  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 9:43:32am

#70 Paint-right

LOL! The image of Ashwari, a cigarette dangling from the porthole of her burkha, makes my day!

I'll remember it whenever I'm feeling low today!

#88 beagle

Unfortunately, in these crazy times, even when the mask comes off, it never really comes off. PR and spin and yammering lawyers just slap another mask on top of the old one, and the make-believe goes on. Frankly, the Palestinians have been so icon-ized at this point, I'm not sure the general public will be able to see them for what they really are, at least for the next decade or so.

With this election, Hamas is making itself over as "respectable." We have to fight this, even if it's a losing battle.

98 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 10:01:34am

#76 paint-right

No money from us. Go get it from Suha. Get it from Switzerland.

Hmm...if memory serves, Suha-ha is too busy getting bonked by a lesbian Lebanese Christian while fanning herself with the Red Binder.

Re: Hamas. Just remember-Fatah/Al-Aksa Brigade/Palestinian Policement = Subtle Jew-Killing Terrorists.

Hamas=Blatant Jew-Killing Terrorists.

I have to say, though-I am finding it more than mildly amusing to watch them beg for funds. Fund meeeeeee!

99 Geepers  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 10:03:46am

gymnast (#90),

Am I wrong to assume that the press at it's core is rotten?

Oh, ... so you want to learn how to play the grand piano?

100 TalkinKamel  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 10:09:11am

#98 WriterMom

Hee, heeee. . . I love the image of Suha-ha fanning herself with the dread Red Binder, too!

And, yes, I am wallowing happily in darkly gleeful emotionalism, a I watch the Palestinians whine for more money!

(And I kinda suspect their Moslem brothers won't be supporting them for very long, or very generously. . . )

101 mj  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 10:09:53am

Wow! That's all I can say. Check out this total Bullshit from the Council on Foreign Relations ( at the NYT web site ) on why Hamas won the election:

Why did Hamas win?

Experts say Palestinian voters were sick of the corruption and incompetence of Fatah, which has run the PA for the decade since it was founded. Fatah leaders skimmed off much of the billions in foreign aid the international community has given to the PA, leaving ordinary citizens living in desperate conditions. The 2000 intifada and its reprisals, both military and economic, from Israel devastated the PA economy, yet Fatah leaders refused to reform the Palestinian security services and crack down on suicide bombings and other militant attacks against Israel. Hamas, on the other hand, has steadily built a reputation as a clean, non-corrupt party that could deliver results. Its network of hospitals and schools provides social services to Palestinians that the PA did not, and a string of victories in local municipalities in 2005 showed Hamas members to be more effective administrators than the Fatah old guard.
[Link: nytimes.com...]

Read this part again: "and crack down on suicide bombings and other militant attacks against Israel."

So, in other words, Hamas won because Fatah wouldn't crack down on suicide bombings.

Pathetic, lying, sons-of-bitches.

102 Ariel  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 10:11:26am

Charles,

If anyone really needs to know where Marzook is, just ask the Washington Post where they sent the check.

If the WaPo sent him a check, aren't they funding terrorism? If they are going to print terrorist editorials - and I suspect the chances of them printing OBL's version of this are rather low - I would hope that they are not paying for them.

103 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 10:13:46am

#100 TalkinKamel

Well, I do hope the Palestinians are not TOO EMOTIONALLY ATTACHED to their Swiss bank accounts, because the only people prepared to find Hamas are-shockingly-the Fraudy Arabians. But, apparently, the funding is conditional on Hamas renouncing terrorism and holding a Passover seder for Yossi Beilin on Mikonos. So-it may or may not happen.

In the meantime, try not to get TOO UPSET OR IN ONE OF THOSE DARK, DARK, NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST INSPIRED BAD HAIR DAYS, or FAT DAYS because that could have a very serious repercussion on LGF, and WHAT LGF WAS AND WHAT IT IS TO BECOME AND WHAT CHARLES HAS CREATED FOR US HERE.

(Love ya, Charles!)

104 TalkinKamel  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 10:20:22am

#103 WriterMom

Actually, I'm avoiding all negavity, darkly emotional wickedness, bad hair days and nuclear explosions at the moment! 'Cuz ever since my little cat came back (after disappearing for four days last week)I'm walking on air! I was afraid I'd lost him, but now I'm happy as a---as flan!

(I love you too, Charles!)

:>)

105 sms111  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 10:22:30am

What the hell is wrong with the Washington Post? Who decided it would be a good idea to let a deported Hamas terrorist recite his propaganda talking points?

I think we need to seriously consider the damage done to this country over the past few decades by the antivietnam-procommunist-hippy-leftist-amoral-mult iculti-prorelativism crowd who are now in positions of power and authority, and just how far the opportunistic Fascists who call themselves Islamic™ have exploited them through pursuasion, coercion and bribery.

I'm very serious. There is serious fifth-column stuff going on, the likes of which the USA may have never seen before.

106 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 10:28:06am

#103 WriterMom

Some have speculated the Iranians wil be only too happy to bankroll Hamas...

[Link: analysis.threatswatch.org...]

The electoral victory handed to Hamas by the Palestinian voters will serve to isolate the Palestinian Territories from the West and its resources while likely transforming it into a de facto annex of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Without US and (potentially) European fiscal support, effectively amounting to cash donations, a rapid domestic collapse of a resource-anemic Hamas-run Palestinian Authority can only be averted (or forestalled) by an influx of funding from another source...

Expect Hamas to keep a low public profile with regards to public support for terrorist attacks and increasingly muzzled vitriolic threats against Israel, while behind the scenes and under the table, fully supporting the same. The trick will be to sniff out the mechanisms of terrorist support that they will now try and keep concealed.

Hamas may ultimately be rejected as ineffective by the Palestinian people, but will it come to pass before Hamas has sparked open warfare with Israel, which, given Hamas’ new-found position of governance, would bring even more destruction to the Palestinian Territories in the form of an Israeli offensive with a ferocity as of yet unseen by the Palestinians?

The answer to that question came last week in Syria. It cannot be forgotten that the leader of Hamas was meeting with Iranian President Ahmadinejad in Damascus just last week in order to take part (along with Hezbollah, PFLP-GC, Assad’s Syria and others) in the new terrorist version of the ‘Coalition of the Willing’...

The future of the state of the Palestinian Territories is now as much in the hands of the Iranians as it is in the hands of Hamas.

The Palestinian people had their say. They chose Hamas. Now, only the consequences await them.
Can Iran stave off a Palestinian civil war long enough to trigger a wider Israeli War?
Such is the state of the fate of the Palestinians, a fate freely and democratically chosen.

107 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 10:32:04am

#106 Kenneth

Well I for one would be shocked-shocked I tell you, if the Jew-hating-nuke-loving Mullahs of Iran bankrolled the Palestinians.

108 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 10:36:16am

#107 WriterMom

a rule of thumb for Palestinian prognostications: ask what is the worst possible next step, and that will usually be the correct answer.

109 nagasaki_hata  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 12:14:14pm

#66 Semper Gumbi  1/31/2006 09:07AM PST wrote

 #53 nagasaki-hata
I think Mo is in the eighth circle. The sixth is for heretics. Mo was a sower of discord so belongs in the eighth.
The Physical Structure of the Inferno


Right you are, thanks for the great link. It's scary, too...

110 Ben F  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 12:18:57pm

#50 Golem Akbar—

I don't doubt that Abu Marzook means every word of the Op-Ed. But there are plenty of code words and historical references that the ignorant or wilfully blind will misunderstand. The key passage:

As the Israelis value their own security, Palestinians are entitled to their fundamental rights to live in dignity and security. We ask them to reflect on the peace that our peoples once enjoyed and the protection that Muslims gave the Jewish community worldwide.

This thought corresponds to the following portions of Art. 31 of the 1988 HAMAS Covenant:

Under the wing of Islam, it is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other. Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam. Past and present history are the best witness to that.

It is the duty of the followers of other religions to stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region, because the day these followers should take over there will be nothing but carnage, displacement and terror. Everyone of them is at variance with his fellow-religionists, not to speak about followers of other religionists. Past and present history are full of examples to prove this fact.

HAMAS will be more than pleased to discuss Israel's renunciation of Zionism. Apart from that, there's nothing to talk about.

These words will have a ring of reasonableness to those who are ignorant of the history and nature of Islamic tolerance (in Bat Ye'or's terminology, dhimmitude), and who view the existence of Israel as the source of instability in the Middle East.

The Washington Post, years ago, published the Unabomber's Manifesto. There, the context was clear. (The Post also published the Starr Report.) In today's world, I fear that the monstrosity of the position staked out in Abu Marzook's Op-Ed piece is not similarly evident to the Post's readership.

111 SoCalJustice  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 1:49:35pm

When's the Ayman Al-Zawahiri Op-Ed gonna run in the New York Times?

112 rorschach  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 2:16:40pm
Federal prosecutors want to use as evidence against Salah a confession that Israeli agents obtained from him in 1993 after he was arrested there.

Why do they waste their time? Anyone who's anybody knows that muslims are never guilty of anything. It's always somebody else's fault.

113 Bubbaman  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 4:50:10pm

As much as I dislike the WaPo, on occasion they actually print something worth reading.

This piece which appeared today, demonstrates why the left doesn't get it. A worthy read.

114 hershel  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 9:23:48pm

Next in the WaPo: an op-ed from Charles Manson opposing the death penalty.

115 zulubaby  Tue, Jan 31, 2006 9:34:09pm

I loathe the media more by the day. Scum.


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