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Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 8:37:34 pm PST

The former University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill student who drove an SUV into a crowd, intending to kill as many people as possible, has written a letter to a local TV channel: Taheri-azar Writes to Eyewitness News. (Hat tip: SoCalJustice.)

Eyewitness News received the letter Monday, in response to our request for an interview. It was sent from Central Prison in Raleigh and dated Friday, March 10.

Addressed to ABC11 Eyewitness News anchor Amber Rupinta, the two-page letter includes Taheri-azar’s explanation of what he was trying to accomplish in the attack.

“Allah gives permission in the Koran for the followers of Allah to attack those who have waged war against them, with the expectation of eternal paradise in case of martyrdom and/or living one’s life in obedience of all of Allah’s commandments found throughout the Koran’s 114 chapters...”

“The U.S. government is responsible for the deaths of and the torture of countless followers of Allah, my brothers and sisters. My attack on Americans at UNC-CH on March 3rd was in retaliation for similar attacks orchestrated by the U.S. government on my fellow followers of Allah in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, and other Islamic territories. I did not act out of hatred for Americans, but out of love for Allah instead. ”

Daniel Pipes’ latest piece is especially appropriate here: Sudden jihad syndrome?

Individual Islamists may appear law-abiding and reasonable, but they are part of a totalitarian movement, and as such, all must be considered potential killers.

I wrote those words days after 9/11 and have been criticized for them ever since. But an incident on March 3 at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill suggests I did not go far enough.

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1 Moonbat_One  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:40:20pm

It's in the Koran!

2 pat  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:40:35pm

Nothing here. Move on. Lone wolf.

3 shimra  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:40:47pm

You know, my 1 1/2 year old son used to go to a pediatritian that was Muslim, albeit a secular one.
He used to go out of his way to make friends with Jews, maybe because of the secularism.

4 tigger2005  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:41:15pm

And as I believe Daniel Pipes asked? Why didn't this guy go and try to assassinate Saddam Hussein, who killed and tortured far more Muslims than Americans ever have?

5 The Other Les  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:41:31pm
Individual Islamists may appear law-abiding and reasonable, but they are part of a totalitarian movement, and as such, all must be considered potential killers.


Well, that's how I usually think of hardcore socialists in general.

But don't ever suggest that they have a terminal case of powerlust...

6 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:41:52pm

And the MSM is not calling this terrorism. Crap!

7 The Other Les  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:42:10pm

# 4

They never count the "own goals".

8 Orbit Rain  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:43:46pm

...yes, "Islam" itself considers itself a universally defining doctrine, doesn't it? And its memes tell its adherents to wage war, do they not?...

9 Salem  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:44:01pm

NOBODY expects the Koran Permission!

10 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:44:04pm

OT, if you have not seen this update on the San Antonio Holocaust archive fire, here is one.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2006/03/more_on_ the_holocaust_history_1.php

11 bonz  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:44:23pm

What do you want to bet that the first time this kid ever read the Koran was the day after his lawyer handed him a copy?

12 mich-again  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:44:52pm

Well that letter will be "Exibit A" when the prosecutor tries to convince the jury that the act was premeditated.

But then Ramsay Clark may step in with a motion to quash the letter from discovery.

13 Van Impe  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:47:40pm
The U.S. government is responsible for the deaths of and the torture of countless followers of Allah, my brothers and sisters.

Didn't Al Gore say this too.

14 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:48:40pm

"Muslims should address this fear by developing a moderate, modern, and good-neighborly version of Islam that rejects radical Islam, jihad, and the subordination of "infidels.""

Mr. Pipes, i sincerely hope that does happen, but I'm not holding my breath ...

15 religion of bacon  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:49:03pm

My attack on Americans at UNC-CH on March 3rd was in retaliation for similar attacks orchestrated by the U.S. government on my fellow followers of Allah in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, and other Islamic territories.

Our military is using SUVs to plow into crowds of Muslim civilians?

16 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:50:02pm

# 15 r o b

No -- he's trying to avenge St. Pancake but wasn't allowed to rent a D-9!
:-)

17 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:51:22pm

St Pancake

It's not terrorism.. it's Muslim Road Rage!

/

18 gymnast  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:51:29pm

These crazy little shits are starting to pop up all over the place, but always near a mosque. Whats happening at your local mosque? Are you a jogger?

19 tigger2005  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:52:21pm

Be nice to Muslims, and they'll be nice to you.

Well, not really. They may kill you. At the very least, they'll make you a second-class citizen and force you to pay jizya, and if you are very humble and subservient they may not kill you. Maybe.

But be very very nice. It may work. Or maybe not.

20 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:52:45pm

# 17 B G

and here I thought and IED was Muslim road rage ...
:-0

21 The Other Les  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:53:08pm

Let's see, they venerate a pedophile, rapist, robber, murderer, and all round enemy of Mankind as the messenger of a purloined pagan deity, and then they have the frakking nerve to complain about being treated like a bunch of depraved people.

Really...

22 Carridine  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:53:16pm

As #1 said: "Its in the Koran!"

"God gives ME permission to kill, abuse and terrorize YOU!" said the Muslim thug.

""God gives ME permission to kill, abuse and terrorize YOU!" said the Japanese Imperial Army soldier, just before complete and utter beating at the hands of Allied troops, and gargling two atomic blasts, which led to a responsible, mature change of heart!

23 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:53:26pm

# 19 t2

Sounds like a plan!

/the EU

24 The Other Les  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:55:18pm

BTW, anybody hear what's up with tommorow's Patchouli Putsch? Is it still on, or what?

25 tigger2005  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:55:28pm

# 22 Carradine

Wouldn't that be loverly? Unfortunately it will soon be illegal to fart in a Muslim's general direction. Or within 50 feet of a mosque.

26 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:55:40pm

Buckaroo

The Muslim Avengers?

What is up with these people? I feel no compunction to go out and get "revenge" for Mexicans..

27 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:56:07pm

OT, but I havent been on LGF long enough to know what LGFers generally think about immigration...or what they would think about this article i found on indymedia...?

100,000 Protest for Immigrant Rights in Chicago
On Friday, March 10, 2006 Chicago’s downtown was paralyzed by an immigrant march estimated at more than 100,000 people. They carried hand-lettered signs saying: “We are America,” “My Mexican immigrant son died in Iraq,” “I’m a dishwasher—not a criminal,” and “Don’t deport my parents.” The peaceful crowd stretched two and half miles, from Union Park on the West Side to their destination in Federal Plaza. No immigrant justice march like this has happened in Illinois history since some 80,000 immigrants marched down State Street demanding an 8-hour workday in 1886.

Personally, my attitude about immigration is one of vague acceptance. The mexicans who cut my grass and do my yardwork do a great job, and i would never pay an american to do it - too expensive.

28 religion of bacon  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:56:41pm

The smug tone of the letter (is there a complete transcript online?) fits with the smirking, grinning smartass we've seen in news clips. He probably thinks that at worst he'll spend a year or so in jail before Allah's Army takes over Amerikka and frees him. But in the meantime...

Why don't yew pick up that soap for me, boy?

29 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:56:41pm

Bubble Girl
:D

Along with "seething", there is the "struggle".
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/redir.php?jid=7054 0fa41e6e9804&cat=11caa946bf11fe44

Mother of al-Qaida conspirator struggles

30 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:57:40pm
27 josiah

Personally, my attitude about immigration is one of vague acceptance. The mexicans who cut my grass and do my yardwork do a great job, and i would never pay an american to do it - too expensive.

I am curious, are you an American?

31 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 6:59:03pm
This syndrome helps explain the fear of Islam and mistrust of Muslims that polls have shown on the rise since 9/11.

No,no,no. It's the media that's responsible for the rise of this fear and mistrust.

//

32 Carridine  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:00:11pm

#25-Tigger, I'll let them arrest me! Putting me on trial would be one of the WORST THINGS their freedom-fearing little minds could possibly imagine!

Pooont! Upwind of mosque...

33 guzziguy  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:00:12pm

Te 5pm whistle blows, Mohammed jumps on his camel, and rushes home to see his girl. He walks in the front door, and notices Aisha packing up all of her clothes.

"Baby whats going on?!"
"Mohammed, I found out the truth about you today, and I'm leaving you!"
"Baby what in the hell are you talking about?"
"Mohammed I found out that youre a pedophile!"
"Whoa whoa whoa baby! Thats a big word for a nine year old!"

Heard the joke today with anglo names. I thougt that it could have been an actual conversation with the [bigoted word] prophet and his wife. Made it even more entertaining. Well, except that she'd have gotten her head cut off for saying anything.

34 Stuck in california  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:00:20pm

#26 Bubbles

You don't have to. Around here they are working their asses off and becoming very prosperous. Even wealthy...Heh

35 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:00:28pm

Mexicans generally do not have mosques... like to drink, dance, and love life..

Let me see... which culture should we keep?

The one that thinks women should wear burkas and all other cultures should do as they say, or else they seethe.. or...

36 realwest  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:00:32pm

Does anyone here remember what this guy is charged with? IIRC it was attempted murder in the first degree.

#6 St. Pancake - not trying to piss you off, but I don't see this murderous cretin trying to pull off an act of terrorism, "merely" trying to kill
Americans on his own, as revenge against Americans killing Muslims.

37 pat  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:00:44pm

gym
And these crazy little shits are all Muslims or peaceful members of the faith. What did we do to drive them to this violence? It must be our fault. Why else would they come to America, except to point out our evil ways? Dan? Katie? CBS Bob? Surely one of these terribly smart people can tell us what we can do so as not to offend these wonderful members of the world community of love?

38 Geepers  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:02:14pm
I did not act out of hatred for Americans, but out of love for Allah instead.

There's a lovely bit of islogic.

39 piano gal  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:02:23pm

I agree, Pipes' op-ed was particularly apt. Chilling, too...

40 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:02:57pm
#32 Carridine 3/14/2006 09:00PM PST

#25-Tigger, I'll let them arrest me! Putting me on trial would be one of the WORST THINGS their freedom-fearing little minds could possibly imagine!

Pooont! Upwind of mosque...

LOL ~~

41 endotoxin  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:03:33pm

# 27

That attitude is a large part of why we have a problem with illegal alien immigration and the problems that it causes. As far as I am concerned, any American citizen who knowingly employs an illegal should be prosecuted and fined. If there is no demand, there is no supply...

42 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:03:40pm
43 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:04:40pm

34 Stuck-in-Ca

Yeah, some of us are doing pretty good.. At least we let our women wear bikinis.. so we aren't all that bad.. and we brought you margaritas, enchiladas, nachos, tequila..

44 DesertSage  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:04:41pm
I did not act out of hatred for Americans, but out of love for Allah instead. ”

Ahh, yes...feel the love!

45 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:05:04pm

realwest
Hi and ?

46 dymphna  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:05:15pm

Are you an Islamophobe and proud of it? Here's a button link the Baron made today:

Islamophobic and Proud of It

The small figure on the button is Jon Sobieski, the hero of Gates of Vienna, the one who pushed back the horde and saved Austria.

47 Carridine  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:05:31pm

Muslim clerics are SCARED SH*TLESS of the Coming of the Glory of God, as promised, in 1260AH.

If they can put it off, to some indefinite time in the future, (much like Christian clergy), they can use His coming to beat the ummah into submission... to the CLERGY!

But the Lord of Hosts ABOLISHED clergy in this Day and Age. THAT'S what the mullahs and pastors are SO AFRAID OF!

48 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:06:18pm

#30 Bubble Girl

I am curious, are you an American?

Yes, I am an American. A Texan, in fact. I just don't see a good reason (other than some selfish form of fascism) to keep hard working american-wannabes out of America. The only crime of my Mexican lawn crew was being bron on the wrong side of the Rio Grande. American Citizenship shouldnt be some aristocratic world status available only by birth.

49 endotoxin  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:06:32pm

and the argument that "well, the illegal mexicans don't blow things up like arabs might, so illegal mexicans are ok" holds no water either. A wrong cannot be used to justify another wrong. Besides, there are more than a few illegals in jail in the US for crimes committed here...

50 Stuck in california  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:06:37pm

#43 Bubbles

And some good friends...

51 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:07:42pm

Iron Fist

Yes, Iron, there are many instances where one could claim to seek revenge for the horrible things that were done a long time ago. You learn from the past and then move on.

This person who drove the SUV into the crowd.. was he looking for attention?

52 pat  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:08:41pm

Bubbles
Your the ones who gave us bikinis? Shit. Before you it was topless!

53 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:09:02pm

#48 Josiah Stevenson

American Citizenship shouldnt be some aristocratic world status available only by birth.

True. And it's neither aristocratic nor available only by birth.

54 endotoxin  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:09:17pm

I agree that American citizenship should only be automatic if both your parents are citizens (born or naturalized). If a Mexican wants to live here so bad then he needs to become a citizen just like anyone else coming from another country. Why should the Mexican get special treatment and not have to obey the law everyone else does?

55 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:09:55pm
56 piano gal  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:10:31pm

#43 hellyeah! I couldn't live without my chiles rellenos... tlacoyos... hibiscus drink...

57 kafir  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:10:33pm

Clear and present danger.

Low barrier to radicalization.

There is no fool-proof method to distinguish between a radical and a non-radical.

We let them live among us.

Which of these statements do not belong with the others?

58 endotoxin  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:11:38pm

I think it goes back to the concept that there is a HUGE difference between the Mexican who lives in America, and the American who comes from Mexican descent. Or any other hypenated-American, for that matter. I am an American, not a British/German/Cherokee who happens to live in America.

59 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:12:44pm

Iron Fist
And how! Would love to have a Cherokee as the new immigration head. I want these disgruntled peeps to feel the love of a Cherokee farewell.

Do not know if anyone saw these.
Muslims In America

60 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:12:48pm

# 58 e

AMEN!

61 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:12:49pm
62 yesandno  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:13:39pm

I personally believe this fool at UNC is not as committed as he should be (and then throw away the key to the ward).

I just get this feeling from seeing him with the stupid smirk that he is more a nutcase then anything. He is looking for his fifteen minutes of fame on the one hand and looks like a kool-aide junky on the other.
They just need to charge him with treason (he is a citizen is he not?) convict him and then carry out the execution in public--in the Pit in Chapel Hill...I would show up...maybe have a cake sale to pay for my ticket... party, party, party!

Works for me. I would like to wipe the smug smile off his face for one.

63 endotoxin  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:13:55pm

The really bad thing about the systems in place to smuggle illegals here (via coyotes, cartels, and with the explicit blessing of the Mexican government) is that it is only going to be a matter of time before those systems are used to smuggle something else in the US that makes a big mushroom cloud or a lot of people very sick - and it can be tough to tell an arab terrorist from a mexican laborer from a distance...

64 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:15:04pm

#41 endotoxin

That attitude is a large part of why we have a problem with illegal alien immigration and the problems that it causes. As far as I am concerned, any American citizen who knowingly employs an illegal should be prosecuted and fined. If there is no demand, there is no supply...

Btw, everyone in my hard-working lawn crew is naturalized. Unfortunately, I can't say the same about their friends and family who would do anyhting to get to work here legally.

"problem" with illegal immigration? what problem? the only problem with it is that we make immigration illegal. Or, at least, that we make it awefully hard to immigrate legally.

And the problem with prosecuting any American who employs an illegal immigrant? Such laws exist. It's just way too hard to enforce them. not worth the effort.

65 bonz  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:15:04pm

#27 Josiah Stevenson

The mexicans who cut my grass and do my yardwork do a great job, and i would never pay an american to do it - too expensive.

If it mean't that much to you, you would pay more, otherwise you'd do it yourself or hire a kid down the street. Who cut grass before the hordes of illegals? Who picked the fruit? 10 years ago you wouldn't have found an illegal on a construction site, now you won't find a site without illegals...despite what the employers might say

66 realwest  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:15:34pm

#27 Josiah Stevenson Only Charles can truly "speak for" LGF. But I will say that most of us are not against legal immigration, where the immigrant, if a worker, pays taxes, social security, etc. etc. and is not paid "off the books" and then avails him/herself of American Health providers.
Nor is it a question of whether illegal immigrants are criminals (we manage to grow enough of those ourselves) or don't work. It's about respect for the law and not just for the immigrants but for their employers. IIRC, someone out here a couple of months ago said the Hormel Meat Packing company knowingly and deliberately hires illegal immigrants, pays them below minimum wage and provides no benefits to perform jobs that some American citizens would do and that if we ever shut down the flow of illegal immigration and deported all illegal immigrants, Hormel would go out of business. That Hormel would go out of business because it obeys the law does not, for some reason, really bother me very much.

67 BignJames  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:15:40pm

If the voices in my head tell me to kick this guy's ass... is that ok? Do I have to write them down first?

68 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:17:25pm

Oops, linkys
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/redir.php?jid=a60f 311ff5ee957a&cat=a1327f7c4068c2fd

Filipinos warned not to disguise as Muslims to seek jobs

69 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:18:01pm

# 66 r w

Double Amen!

70 Stuck in california  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:18:45pm

Bignjames, whose ass ya wanna kick? If it's mine the answer is, yes...

71 Geepers  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:18:47pm

Josiah Stevenson (#48),

American Citizenship shouldnt be some aristocratic world status available only by birth.

I guess you've never heard of legal immigration and naturalization?

72 abolitionist  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:19:16pm

#24 The Other Les

BTW, anybody hear what's up with tommorow's Patchouli Putsch? Is it still on, or what?

I have no "news", but I'd like to say that the whole thing reminds me of the movie plot for DieHard 3 (Bruce Willis, Jeromey Irons). After some hours of trying to chase down clues about bombs planted in NYC public schools by villain phoning in ransom demands, the detective gets a clue from a kid on the street:

It's like Christmas. You could steal City Hall.

I certainly don't want to see any twisted permutation of that plot playing out in DC tomorrow, or anywhere, anytime.

73 endotoxin  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:19:32pm

#64

You could make it very much worth it - say a $10,000 fine per illegal found at a given jobsite. The sad fact is that very few in the government have the political balls to do something like that.

Using the logic that the problem with illegal immigration is that we make it illegal then why not use that defense for any other crime? Why make murder illegal?

If people want to be here so bad, then they need to become part of the nation, not a native enclave that mostly brings the problems of the home country to here. Its as simple as that. Or do you like providing illegals free health care in our county hospitals, subsidizing their 8 kids on welfare and WIC?

74 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:22:34pm
75 kafir  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:22:41pm

#63 endotoxin

This is the problem. Porus borders are bad. Then again, mushroom clouds aren't the scary things. Things that make the mushroom clouds are somewhat complex to transport. Things that make people sick are not. You don't even need to smuggle them. Put them on a flight.

While the TSA is busy frisking grandma, Abu Anthrax is doing a number on us.

76 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:24:49pm

well, endotoxin,


about the illegal smuggling channels: wouldnt exist if we had a reasonable system for legal immigration

obeying the laws everyone else has to: most of our immigration laws arent very fair. they make becoming American a long, near impossible feat. Its not that i think illegal immigrants are completely justified in coming illegally - after all, they our violating our laws - but many of those laws shouldnt be the way they are in the first place.

and about illegal mexicans "filling" our jails: Blacks outnumber mexicans in our justice system by a lot. If you think thats a reason to deport them, youre a racist.

77 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:25:18pm
78 gymnast  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:26:12pm

#48 JS. You are one naive puppy. Use the search feature on your computer and look up the immigration laws for any 10 countries and report back. See what can happen to you in Singapore if you overstay your visa let alone if you think you can immigrate at will. How long can you stay in mexico without a visa? You havn't traveled abroad much I would guess.

79 endotoxin  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:26:37pm

# 75

All too true. Or simply walk in a hospital, make off with a radioactive isotope like what is used for any number of diagnostic tests, and disperse it with an Oklahoma City style ammonium nitrate explosion and watch the people in that area go into super panic mode and watch everything screech to a halt. Wonderful psychological weapon a dirty bomb is and none of the complexities of a real nuke. But if you can smuggle 30 Mexicans in a semi, you can smuggle a nuke if someone (like iran or pakistan) hooks you up with one...

80 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:28:09pm
Rice, on her first visit to the world's most populous Muslim nation, also stressed respect for the nation's faiths after hundreds of Islamic protesters yelling "Condeleezza go to hell!" had denounced US involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Rice praises Indonesia's moderation amid Islamic protests

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/060314/1/3zcv4.html

81 Spiny Norman  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:28:40pm

Josiah Stevenson,

I have absolutely no problem with legal immigration, nor does anyone else I know. The more the merrier. But granting citizenship, or even legal status to anyone who makes across our southern border is blatantly unfair and discriminatory to the millions of others who would have to cross an ocean to get here. Besides, I think it is imperative that the government knows who's coming here and how many. I truthfully believe our immigration laws are too restrictive, but until we can limit illegal immigration, there is little point in reforming them.

82 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:29:18pm

76 Josiah Stevenson

If you think thats a reason to deport them, youre a racist.

I hereby officially declare this one a troll.

83 Geepers  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:29:27pm

Josiah Stevenson says:

Blacks outnumber mexicans in our justice system by a lot. If you think thats a reason to deport them, youre a racist.

Well there's a particularly pathetic straw man.

84 Salem  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:30:47pm

This makes me think of all the hoods converting to islam in prison. Will they get retroactive permission?

85 bonz  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:31:12pm

#76 Josiah Stevenson

about the illegal smuggling channels: wouldnt exist if we had a reasonable system for legal immigration

I've been through the immigration process. Imagine 3 years of appointments with the DMV. But after it was over, I've never seen someone so proud to be a citizen of the United States.

86 Stuck in california  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:31:34pm

Where's the link #76?

87 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:31:35pm
88 endotoxin  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:31:52pm

# 76

where to begin?

first of all the large number of blacks in jail are in there because they did something bad, just like anyone else in jail, but those blacks are at least american citizens, unlike the illegal aliens who commit crimes. again the point is that you should not be here illegally, and being here illegally is more than enough reason to deport. thats not racist, thats common sense and the way it is in many other nations.

sorry, i am not one of those PC people who capitulate whenever someone says that something i say is racist. won't work here.

and why the hell should it be easy to become a citizen in the first place? if you want it, you need to earn it. why should it be our responsibility to make it easy for a mexican to become a citizen? or anyone else for that matter?

89 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:31:55pm

# 82 e2m

I was leaning towards Moby, but hey to each their own ...
:-)

90 Michael in MI  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:33:07pm

most of our immigration laws arent very fair. they make becoming American a long, near impossible feat.

So in other words, this generation of immigrant to America is saying that America is no worth working hard to legally immigrate here. And "near impossible"? Please, plenty of legal immigrants prove it is entirely possible. Illegal immigrants are just too damn lazy to put in the effort and work and have the patience to come here legally and then appreciate the effort it takes to enjoy being legal in this country.

The fact is that America is special. It is a priviledge to enjoy the freedom of this country. Immigrants of the past worked hard and sacrificed much just at the chance to be able to come to America and experience the dream, the hope, the promise of life and freedom in America.

The current illegal immigrants who shun our laws basically are saying that America is not worth the hard work. Or they are saying that America is great, but they shouldn't have to work hard to be here.

As with anything, if you don't work hard for it, you don't appreciate it. This is evident among illegal immigrants. They don't appreciate the freedoms of America, because they didn't work hard to get here.

91 kafir  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:34:05pm

#79 endotoxin

My point was that there are things far worse than a small nuke, and much easier to transport. Its not Anthrax thats the concern either, though everyone and their brother seems to have weaponized it.

92 BignJames  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:34:10pm

Not kicking anybodys ass here. I was referring to the jihadi jeep driver...allah sez it's ok...Hey, Mo heard voices too.

93 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:34:48pm

Josiah Stevenson
You, as implied earlier have never travelled anywhere. Do you realize that even Mexico uses its military to prevent immigration over its southern border? Guess you think it is everyone's right and privilege to head into the U.S.

Libya sure does not want any immigrants. Very pathetic though that even African muslim rulers do now want any immigrants.

Libya cracks down on illegal immigration after EU requesthttp://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-03/13/conte nt_4295426.htm

94 Dublin(CA)Dude  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:35:14pm

Josiah Stevenson

Don't let the hot heads drive you out. Immigration is an issue that is not agreed upon by the right or the left. It splits Reps and Dems equally.

I have my own feeling about it, basically, do it legally or not at all, but at the same time the illegals I see work incredibily hard at lousy jobs, and all seem to be very grateful for it.

But the point is, we are all free here at LGF to disagree, while being agreeable.

95 realwest  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:35:21pm

#45 St. Pancake - the ? I think was why did I think I might piss you off? The reason is that in your #6 you stated "And the MSM is not calling this terrorism. Crap!" and I don't think what he did was an act of terrorism, just a psycopath on his own,
"believing" he was avenging his fellow Muslims killed by Americans (note, not avenge his fellow Muslims killed by Muslims). He does not, as far as I have heard, work with or is part of a cell; he's not looking to destroy the Great Satan for the glory of bin Laden or Allah or Muhammed - he "just"
wanted to kill Americans. I'm glad he didn't succeed, but that's why he's charged with multiple counts of attempted mureder, which might wind up in his getting life without parole, not execution (not
knowledgeable of North Carolina law on this point).
What pisses me off is that the Ancient Media refuse to point out that he is a Muslim looking to avenge the deaths of other Muslims.

96 Stuck in california  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:35:33pm

#92 BignJames

Heh...Just my sick humor...;p

97 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:37:13pm

Iron fist #74

yes i know there are legal procedures - I'm not "abismally ignorant." But do you know anyone who's tried to go through these simple legal procedures? it takes between 7 and 10 years, and it ain`t fun.

And i like your declaration about when your war with Islam will be over, but mine wont be over until the synagogue and the church in Mecca stay standing for a few years witout a suicide bombing.

and #73, endotoxin

You can't apply that logic to any crime because murder is intrinsically bad -sp?, while moving a few miles north to work is not.
And maybe we should give them a chance to become part of our nation instead of a native enclave. If we made them all citizens, they could all pay taxes on their construction wages. By persecuting them with legal threats, the current system encourages them to set up native enclaves.

98 endotoxin  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:38:41pm

#90

and unfortunately most of the illegals are here illegally not because it is so HARD to become a citizen legally but because they want to live as Mexicans but not live in Mexico. Hence the rejection of assimilating into American society. Hence the refusal to learn English. And all the while Vincente and pals (like our friend JS here) condone and actively encourage this then have the audacity to complain when we talk about maintaining our own borders that we are being racist! Meanwhile the US taxpayer subsidizes a substantial part of the Mexican nation (that lives here and wouldn't take citizenship even if we offered it gratis) and the illegals keep sending money back to the old country. But we as American citizens should blame ourselves for making our laws too tough, boo fricken hoo... please.

99 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:38:59pm

realwest
Oh, I undestand. On the other hand, I see driving into people, including someone in a wheelchair, as a terroristic act.

100 gymnast  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:41:31pm

I do believe that JS is a true Sophmore in the classical sense. What race are Mexican citizens JS? Do you know the difference between race and nationality? What high school do you attend that has left you so miserably prepared to take your place in society? Have you been taking correspondence courses from Mr Bennish?

101 Salem  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:42:17pm

I don't think what he did was an act of terrorism, just a psycopath on his own,

Well, of course. No one put him up to it directly. Some people are just nuts all on their own.

102 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:42:58pm

#95 realwest

he's not looking to destroy the Great Satan for the glory of bin Laden or Allah or Muhammed

I have to disagree with you on this point:

I did not act out of hatred for Americans, but out of love for Allah instead. ”

103 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:43:43pm
104 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:44:03pm

Josiah Stevenson
I posted this earlier on another thread.

In a Washington Times commentary, Alfred Tella, a former Georgetown University research professor of economics, says denying that the continuing influx of low-skilled immigrants willing to work cheaply doesn't depress the wages of workers already here is denying the basic laws of economics.

Tella cites a recent study by Harvard economist George J. Borjas, which concluded that from 1980 to 2000, immigration reduced "the average annual earnings of native-born men by $1,700, or nearly 4 percent." The reduction for the poorest tenth was much higher, 7.4 percent.

Native-born blacks and Latinos also were hard-hit, writes Tella, because they are "in direct competition" with immigrant workers. Borjas' study found "even college graduates had their earnings lowered by an estimated 3.6 percent."

And while President Bush is pushing for a guest-worker program, his own Council of Economic Advisers concedes immigration "negatively affects the wages of those already here, particularly less skilled workers."

Tella writes, "as illegal immigrants continue to spread throughout the country, more legal workers will lose wages or jobs, and more employers will reap the profits."

105 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:44:25pm

Josiah Stevenson

Hey! I'm Texan too. It more a matter of whether we can continue to subsidize the actual costs of the massive amounts of illegals who flood into this country every day.

Did you know the number is now over 25 million in this country are illegals? They have access to free health care when millions of citizens are barely able to afford their prescriptions but.. pay taxes that allow the illegals to walk in and get free care. This is a burden. Yes, some illegals work hard but they also have given a huge increase in the crime rate many of them gang members who are not nice but vicious thugs.

106 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:44:46pm

# 102 s p

Thus nicely reinforcing the "Love Allah or DIE!" message the "insurgents" send to us daily ...

107 Michael in MI  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:45:09pm

But we as American citizens should blame ourselves for making our laws too tough, boo fricken hoo... please.

Have the laws been made tougher from the days when people immigrated legally through Paris Island? Or are today's immigrants just lazy, want everything handed to them and not want to earn their citizenship in America?

Also, instead of Mexicans whining about America's immigration laws, how about they bitch at the Mexican government for having such a lousy country that they can't live happily there and have to resort to illegally immigrating to America? Why is it the responsibility of America to provide jobs to the world's citizens, but not the responsibility of other countries to make their living situations better so their citizens don't feel they have to illegally immigrate to America?

108 endotoxin  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:45:29pm

# 98

BTW we did give the illegals a chance for amnesty back in 1986 - probably the dumbest thing that Reagan ever did, and guess what, it didn't change a thing. And a crime is a crime, whether it is being an illegal alien or a murderer, and a crime needs to be punished - so you deport the illegal, and incarcerate for life or execute the murderer. You don't make something that is wrong not wrong by simply deciding one day that it is no longer wrong.

109 BignJames  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:45:51pm

#97 Josiah Stevenson 3/14/2006 09:37PM PST


But do you know anyone who's tried to go through these simple legal procedures? it takes between 7 and 10 years, and it ain`t fun.

Yes, I do. He's from Vietnam...a "boat person". He's a great American, and I'm proud to call him my friend.

Anything worth having is worth working for.I'd like to have a big yacht...but if I went out and stole one I don't think I'd get to keep it.

110 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:46:40pm

when i said "If you think thats a reason to deport them, youre a racist." i was only half serious. what i meant was that one (a racist) would use that same logic to prove that black people dont belong here. I apologise for the overstatement.

111 Geepers  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:47:00pm

Salem (#101),

This guy isn't nuts.

He planned to kill as many people as he possibly could, to avenge his muslim brothers, just like the koran told him to.

112 realwest  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:47:04pm

Well Adios and buenos noches amigas y amigos (or goodnight girls and guys). It's 12:45 AM on a school work night and this old boys gotta catch some zzz's. Hope to see youse'all tomorrow!

113 endotoxin  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:47:44pm

#107. Amen brother!

114 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:48:28pm

# 105 B G

"many of them gang members who are not nice but vicious thugs."

I'd never even heard of MS-13 until a couple years ago ...

now sometimes I wonder if we should let them loose on Baby Assad - it'd be a pretty fair fight
:-0

115 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:48:35pm

109

Anything worth having is worth working for.I'd like to have a big yacht...but if I went out and stole one I don't think I'd get to keep it.

actually thats a really good point

116 endotoxin  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:48:51pm

# 110

apology accepted

117 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:48:54pm

(((:~Oالله

118 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:48:58pm

Josiah
You also must not live in a border state. You would not believe the medical issues and costs of the illegals here in Texas. Many of the women have had no prenatal care. How much do you want to spend on this? How generous are we to be? Geez. Have you any idea how many malpractice suits are brought against doctors by illegals? It is a racket in South Texas. Please let me knwo how much money are you willing to spend on their medical care?

119 Mike C.  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:49:08pm

# 104 St. Pancake

The answer is so obvious that I don't understand why more people don't grasp it immediately. Simply export all the jobs to India or China. Problem solved.

120 Proud kaffir  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:49:47pm

For all the criticisms the Bush administration has taken, I want to commend them for preventing another major terrorist attack in the US since 9/11.

Moonbats say he has just been lucky, but think how many people must be in the US like this guy: Muslims who read all the anti-American crap found on the internet from Islamists and moonbats. Muslims who watch al-jazeera and dream of martyrdom.

Think how easy it would be to mount a semi-successful terrorist attack. Hell, even an idiot like McVeigh could take down a building. Think how badly the Islamists have wanted a follow-up, even a minor one, to the 9/11 attacks to brag about. Think about and think about the effort needed to prevent such attacks.

121 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:49:59pm

# 118 S P

He claimed Texan in one of his first posts ...

/jus' sayin'

122 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:50:19pm
123 Michael in MI  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:50:47pm

#108

"You don't make something that is wrong not wrong by simply deciding one day that it is no longer wrong."

Exactly.

124 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:51:11pm

# 120 p k

Triple amen!

125 Stuck in california  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:51:14pm

I've worked with illegals here and have had jobs where you had to have gov't clearence. No problem. They can buy SSI and drivers licence with no problems.
Big business in So. Cal

126 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:52:57pm

This is going to sound awful.. but people from other countries need to stop running away and take a stand and make their own country a decent place to live.

/probably in big trouble now.

127 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:53:21pm

#95 realwest
That's a fine line. The guy who shot an El Al ticket agent at LAX a few years ago; was he a terrorist or a nut? Maybe a nutty terrorist. It's a tough call.

128 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:53:56pm

'Nite realwest.

129 Michael in MI  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:54:10pm

#126 Bubble Girl

I made a similar point here.

130 bonz  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:54:21pm

To put it bluntly, cheap illegal labor is not cheap. It's a fantastic subsidy for business no matter what size the business, but the taxpayer pays the freight. Food stamps, housing, schooling, legal, criminal enforcement, insurance, social security (yep). In addition, US banks are allowed to circumvent money laundering laws to make it work.
Sound like a good policy for a country with a future?

131 Dublin(CA)Dude  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:54:38pm

#121 Stuck


Same here in Norcal, all the infrastructure here is illegal.

132 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:54:55pm

117 Killgore Trout

Lol, dear, what was that?

Mike C.
ROFLMAO! Great idea, send the peeps to India and China. Oops, what would they do?

121 Buckaroo
Oops, must live in Austin.

133 endotoxin  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:55:07pm

when i was in training in Phoenix at one of the hospitals downtown - i was caring for a 19 year old illegal who stole a car while high on meth then crashed it into another while running from the cops, killing 2 people. He was badly injured and in the ICU for 2 months and needed 3 operations for abdominal injuries. the hospital flew his parents up from the old country and let them stay with their son. well they decided to sue the trauma surgeon because he had some complications like a wound breakdown and some infections (things not uncommon with a critically ill trauma patient) and they found a piece of $hit attorney to take the case (and there are signs all over phoenix for lawyers who "don't care if you are undocumentado"). Fortunately they lost, the kid survived and was ultimately allowed to return 3 months later to mexico. But lets have more illegal aliens because they are all wonderful people who do the work you don't want to do and you get your lettuce for 5 cents cheaper. Or something.

134 gymnast  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:55:17pm

Josiah. Is illegal immigration your only issue or would you like to try your hand at additional topics where the liberal left is working overtime to "define deviancy down"? How about your opinion of killing for Allah with a Jeep Cherokee? Do you think the attempted murderer should have used a more eco-friendly vehicle?

135 jefferson12  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:55:20pm

Apologies for going OT, especially since I'm an infrequent poster here,

But as a longtime fan of The Peoples' Cube, I was horrified at the recent threads on its Gulagoogle-ization. In today's junk mail came one of those "be a better webmaster" newsletters with a link to some telling details:

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-advice-check-you r-own-site/

...but that’s the sort of reason why you’d be removed from Google, not because of what thepeoplescube.com was saying.

Update: Anyone got an account over at little green footballs so I can go and debunk over there? Looks like registration is closed at lgf. Sigh.

This is obviously bogus and the reference from this snitch to lgf underscores that RedSquare was un-Googled for political moonbat reasons:

1) Text that is "hidden" by CSS (cascading style sheets) is still plainly legible to spiders like the GulagGooglebot, and is only "hidden" in the latest browsers that are CSS-compliant. Bots can't read the niceties of a web page display nor any javascript, at best they view any web page just like a text-only browser such as Lynx.

2) PeoplesCube's "hidden" links appear to be his own, other hilarious sites like Che-Mart and Communists for Kerry, which are plainly visible elsewhere on all his pages.

3) If the bar is set this high by Google for determining what is spammy/blackhat/underhanded search engine optimization, about half the entire internet should be delisted as well as ThePeoplesCube.

4) If the Peoples' Cube contained any possible content related to child pornography, NAMBLA, sado-masochism, fisting, underaged fill-in-the-blank, bestiality, pedophilia, or any other such subject, you can bet your arse Google would fight to death before turning it over to Gonzalez and Chimpy McHitler.

5) The reference to politics, Red Square's open letter at Google, and LGF obviously stem from the "He who smelt it, dealt it" school of assuaging blame onto one's enemies pioneered by Comrade Al Gore, Hillary, etc, especially since Google would consider a Nazi child-molesters' guide to joo torture a "legitimate news source". Since, as I generalized in a non-technical way, search bots cannot "read" CSS, somebody had to report this Google using whatever excuse they could find (their agents are always listening...)


If this has already been noted on another thread, apologies again. The Peoples Cube is some of the only political satire in the USA that's also actually funny, and funny is a sin in the eyes of the ever-serious L3, whose closest expression of laughter resembles Leonid Brehznev with a bad case of constipation...


/Back on topic,

having grown up in the Carolinas, I can tell you that certain sectors are not red state/NASCAR/Republican, but run in a dead heat with Berkeley for moonbat madness. Chapel Hill, Charlotte and certain other areas and college towns are especially bad-- remember, Khalid Sheik Mohammed and several other famous terrorists went to college in North Carolina...

136 Salem  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:55:22pm

He planned to kill as many people as he possibly could, to avenge his muslim brothers, just like the koran told him to.

It'll never go to gavel as a terror crime. Hell, I'm for sending him to Guantanamo. I'm for hurling him into a volcano. But, bad influences aside, it was just an expression of his own dementia, clad in ideology.

137 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:55:26pm

# 126 B G

Nothin' awful about that -- it's a wonderful statement in the spirit of TR and RWR ...

too bad most of academia would recoil in horror to it ...
:-)

138 Michael in MI  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:55:36pm

Okay, let's try that again.

I made a similar point here.

139 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:56:19pm
140 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:56:21pm

107 Michael In MI

I like your post better than mine.

141 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:56:59pm
142 pat  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:57:14pm

Off to dinner. Osso Bucco. Homemade. Buckaroo, it is comming your way, and it ain't pretty. Pouring. Dogs in the house.

143 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:57:46pm

Bubble Girl
I do not think Josiah teaches either. The extra hassle dealing with that issue involves mountains of paperwork and time, really.

144 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:58:03pm

132 St Pancake

Hey! I'm from Austin. :{

145 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:59:11pm

Bye Pat

Cubits. For the ark you should be building.

146 religion of bacon  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:59:53pm

Taheri-azar acknowledged planning his jihad for over two years

Could someone please explain to me why it would take two years, or even two weeks, to devise a "plan" consisting of the following steps:

1. Rent a large SUV.

2. Drive to an easily accessible location where large numbers of students always congregate in the open.

3. Drive the SUV into the crowd.

4. Call the police and surrender.

I mean, we're not talking 9/11 synchronized jetliner suicide attacks, or purchasing 100 kilos of explosives, or a brilliant getaway scheme. I suspect that a more accurate account would be:

Taheri-azar acknowledged privately seething and thinking about jihad for over two years

147 Geepers  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 7:59:56pm

Michael in MI,

You must be proud:

Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) went to the Senate floor Wednesday afternoon and displayed an enormous sign that read “Dangerously Incompetent” while giving a speech attacking the Bush administration over first responder and Homeland Security funding.

Stabenow was on the Senate floor selling an amendment she has offered to increase funding for first responders by $5 billion. “God forbid that there is another terrorist attack or a natural disaster,” Stabenow warned.

148 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:00:11pm

# 142 p

and that makes it different from any other night this week how?
:-(

149 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:00:25pm
#137 Buckaroo 3/14/2006 09:55PM PST

# 126 B G

Nothin' awful about that -- it's a wonderful statement in the spirit of TR and RWR ...

too bad most of academia would recoil in horror to it ..

Oh Buck, if only they would recoil right back into their round wicker baskets...

150 endotoxin  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:01:30pm

it would be interesting to see if that moron in NC would have his crime tried as a hate crime. somehow I doubt that will happen. just hope they don't almost get it thrown out like the 20th 9-11 hijacker's trial...

151 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:02:31pm
152 Michael in MI  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:02:37pm

#147 Geepers

lol Oh gosh I know. I saw that on Michelle Malkin and on National Review Online The Corner. I just had to laugh.

From all the heat she has taken, I have a good feeling that she and Granholm are on the way out. At least I know that I and my friends are working hard to get those two dolts out of office here in Michigan.

153 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:02:50pm
146 religion of bacon 3/14/2006 09:59PM PST

Taheri-azar acknowledged planning his jihad for over two years

Could someone please explain to me why it would take two years, or even two weeks, to devise a "plan"

Come on, haven't you heard of procrastinating? lol

154 RTLM  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:03:11pm

Interesting take on the Petro Dollar bubble aburst.
___

The petrodollar bubble and its aftermath

Arab stock markets, infused with petrodollar megabillions, are starting to slide, according to Bloomberg.

Dubai, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia are all sliding after huge booms that left many shares overpriced.

Edward Chancellor, writing in the Wall Street Journal sees a number of ominous signs of an economic bubble about to burst. His conclusion:

Arab rulers have deliberately encouraged the boom in the hope that rising asset prices and a strong economy would distract their youthful populations from religious fundamentalism. This strategy could backfire. History teaches that when speculative bubbles burst and the public loses large sums, there is normally a political backlash. This was true of the U.S. in the 1930s, and to a lesser extent in the early 2000s, and of Japan in the 1990s. It’s not hard to imagine Islamists capitalizing on a future bust with denunciations of stock-market gambling. Some of today’s young Arab day-traders could well turn into tomorrow’s al Qaeda recruits.

Ed Lasky 3 14 06

155 endotoxin  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:03:51pm

#147

seeing stuff like that makes me wonder for how many years after Bush leaves office the democrats will blame anything that happens on Bush. Particularly if she-who-must-not-be-named becomes President...

156 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:03:59pm

151 rayra


... the one that features the some HOT wimmin on Telemundo every afternoon?
hmmm...thinking...thinking...

LOL LOL ROFLOL...

157 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:04:55pm
Josiah
You also must not live in a border state. You would not believe the medical issues and costs of the illegals here in Texas. Many of the women have had no prenatal care. How much do you want to spend on this? How generous are we to be? Geez. Have you any idea how many malpractice suits are brought against doctors by illegals? It is a racket in South Texas. Please let me knwo how much money are you willing to spend on their medical care?

I live in Houston. Southeastern Texas.

#133 and endotoxin, about that illegal - its not like americans dont do that too.

well, ive left this discussion about immigration with exactly what i wanted out of it: a lot to think about.

As for other issues, like

Josiah. Is illegal immigration your only issue or would you like to try your hand at additional topics where the liberal left is working overtime to "define deviancy down"? How about your opinion of killing for Allah with a Jeep Cherokee? Do you think the attempted murderer should have used a more eco-friendly vehicle?

first, killings wrong. killing for allah is even worse. but if your gunna do it, at least use a car with balls. of course he shouldnt have used a more eco friendly vehicle. what kind of sissy would do that?


and whoever called me a "sophomore in the classical sense" - how do you know im a sophomore in high school?

158 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:05:09pm

Bubble Girl
Lol, I know. :0

From Ted Poe from Texas


Social security, $3 billion. Medicaid, $3 billion. Total cost to American taxpayers, about $32 billion a year we pay the cost of illegal immigration. When this study was done, the population of illegals in the United States was about 5 million. Now the population has doubled, and the costs have more than doubled.


Just last year, California spent over $7 billion a year educating illegal immigrant children. Once again, our compassion for others is to the detriment of our own kids.
In Michigan, 23 criminal cases were filed alleging that pregnant women from Syria, Lebanon and Yemen flew into the United States, falsified information on Medicaid forms to cover those costs of delivering their babies, and then returned to their native countries within a few months. Americans paid for all of this criminal activity. Also, the quality of health care will diminish because those in the system are not paying their way.


http://www.house.gov/poe/remarks/immigration71205. htm

159 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:05:17pm
160 quark2  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:06:10pm

@76 Josiah Stevenson

The reason any illegal needs to be deported is because they are here illegally and have broken this nations federal laws of immigration.
My sisters daughter in law is from Mexico. She's been here legally as daughter in law for two years now, and it's cost my nephew a bundle of money going through all the legal hoops to keep her here until she gets her citizenship. She's been notified she has 6 years to accomplish this. If at that time she doesn't have her citizenship she goes back to Mexico, child or no child.
That's not racist, that's the law of this land.

161 Nobody's Dhimmi  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:07:26pm

I noticed on meetup.com that there are a number of people waiting for a meetup related to LGF in the Seattle area.

If anyone is interested in a blue scarf meeting Thursday night
(for explanation, visit No Dhimmitude blog)
send an email to
fleur_de_mystere@yahoo.com. Coffee and coffeetalk.

162 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:08:06pm

#132 St. Pancake
That's my proudest achievement...
Mohammed, full of booze and pork, pukes up Allah (((:~Oالله

it's been added to the Mohammed smileys or emoticons are called ‘Mocons’

163 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:08:17pm

157 Josiah Stevenson
Lawdy, lawdy! I live in Houston also. Geez...

164 endotoxin  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:08:25pm

#157

so by that logic, "americans do that too" then a drunk driver who kills a person in an accident should be excused for that because some other guy who was drunk has killed someone else - if someone else does it then its ok if I do it too? Come on. If that illegal was not here illegally all that wouldn't have happened. those 2 people he killed would probably still be alive. but its ok that he came over here illegally got high and stole a car and killed two innocent people because others drive high too. Please. Really.

165 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:08:32pm
166 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:09:37pm

#130 bonz

To put it bluntly, cheap illegal labor is not cheap...

Add to your list the tens of billions of dollars sent back home to support family members. This is money sent directly out of the US economy to points elsewhere.

167 gymnast  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:09:38pm

#157, Josiah. At least you are "hangin' in there". Google "sophmore" and report back.

168 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:10:53pm

Iron Fist

NIght BIg Guy!

169 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:11:00pm

162 Killgore Trout
"Calling wildly" This is delightful to know.
I think this warrants something special.
http://www.rathergood.com/laibach/

170 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:12:14pm

St Pancake

Hardee Har-Har... not from my area..

:D

171 endotoxin  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:13:17pm

this is the same faulty logic that people use to try to legalize drugs. "well we all know alcohol is responsible for a lot of bad things like drunk driving and alcoholism, cirrhosis, et cetera, but since it is legal, even though it can be bad, we should legalize drugs, even though they can be bad, because another bad thing, the alcohol, is out there and is legal." Sorry, that dog just don't hunt. And I am originally from El Paso, Texas, and got to see the splendour of la ciudad juarez.

172 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:13:39pm

165 Iron Fist
Nite, Iron!

173 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:13:45pm

#169 St. Pancake
I love those jack booted fuzzies!

174 religion of bacon  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:14:19pm

#153 Bubble Girl

Yeah, kids these days, self-centered slackers with delusions of grandeur...

Maybe the attack was the conclusion of a two year long thesis project for a combined degree in political science, comparative religion, and performance art.

175 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:16:52pm

170 Bubble Girl
"blushing"

(((:~{> (Mo giving a raspberry)

176 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:17:53pm
#174 religion of bacon 3/14/2006 10:14PM PST

#153 Bubble Girl

Yeah, kids these days, self-centered slackers with delusions of grandeur...

Yep! Reality is really going to bite this guy in the ass!

177 Salem  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:18:00pm

To put it another way, I'm not for letting this guy out so he can plan a more succesful attack. But he'll probably be monitored very closely as long as he remains here, so he wouldn't make a very good terrorist even if he wasn't an obvious feeb.

I wonder if he'll be a celebrity where they deport him to, or will they mock him for being so ineffectual.

178 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:18:36pm

Killgore Trout
I know! It is national treasure!

179 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:19:12pm
180 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:21:09pm
so by that logic, "americans do that too" then a drunk driver who kills a person in an accident should be excused for that because some other guy who was drunk has killed someone else - if someone else does it then its ok if I do it too? Come on. If that illegal was not here illegally all that wouldn't have happened. those 2 people he killed would probably still be alive. but its ok that he came over here illegally got high and stole a car and killed two innocent people because others drive high too. Please. Really.

Thats not what im saying. what im saying is we cant say all illegals are bad because a few of them commit crimes - just like you cant say all americans are bad because a few drive drunk.

181 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:22:08pm
182 endotoxin  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:23:16pm

#180

You just don't get it. Being here illegally is bad no matter how wonderful you are. If you are here illegally you are committing a crime. If you are committing a crime you should be punished for it, in this case deported to mexico or wherever, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars. How do you not see this?

183 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:25:06pm

Here's an idea I can get behind...
Can Hookers Save Islam?
I heard worse ideas.

184 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:26:19pm
185 gymnast  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:26:38pm

#179, Rayra. I sure am glad that you didn't chase Josiah off. He might be able to help me fill in a page or two of my Ornithology Field Guide. I have a question or two about sheltering migratory birds.

186 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:27:11pm

181 rayra


Heh. I'm thinking he did it to stay in the USA, after his student visa expired with his graduation.

Well he could just buy a plane ticket to Mexico then walk right back across the border..

187 honestscrutiny  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:27:55pm

Current Events Trivia

A Google NEWS search for "Taheri-azar" yields about 810 articles.

But a search for "Taheri-azar" AND "jihad" only yields 10 articles.

1.2%. Now that is some whacky, whacky stuff.

188 Salem  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:28:16pm

I heard worse ideas.

Islam? Heck, hookers for EVERYBODY!

189 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:28:55pm
190 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:29:46pm

Kilgore
Linky did not work!

))):~{>

191 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:30:00pm

Well, hell's bells... he could have gone home, joined the Taliban Yale would have recruited him as student.

Bad planning on his part.

192 RTLM  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:30:17pm

Re: illegal immigration

Tall fences make good neighbors. The Chinese learned this long time... ago. Wall the Southern US border.

And for that matter make big, tall walls in Iraq too.

193 Bubble Girl  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:32:32pm

188 Salem

I'll pass on my hooker. Thanks for the offer.

194 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:32:40pm

#188 Salem
"hookers for EVERYBODY! "

Communist!

195 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:32:43pm
196 religion of bacon  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:33:28pm

180 Josiah Stevenson

we cant say all illegals are bad because a few of them commit crimes

We can say that all illegals are bad because they intentionally broke the law -- that's what illegals refers to. They committed a crime by entering the country illegally. Duh.

btw, are you aware of the crime stats for illegals? A very disproportionate percentage of the prison population in border states is comprised of illegals.

Do you at least agree that a nation has a basic right to control who is a member of that nation, and who resides within its borders? If not, exactly what rights does a nation have? If 100 million people from Mexico, South America, Africa, China, Europe, etc, all want to live in the US permanently, should America have any right to refuse some of them?

197 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:33:59pm

Bubble Girl
Yeah, if only he logged into LGF for women power.

198 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:34:21pm
199 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:36:36pm

#190 St. Pancake
hmm...it's working ok for me.
from Jawa Report...[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]
Some link and quote functions are still a bit buggy.

200 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:36:41pm
Taheri-azar surrendered to police shortly after the attack. Investigators swarmed his apartment, where they discovered a letter, CDs and a handgun permit.

So the SUV drive-through could have been worse.

201 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:37:04pm
202 Salem  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:37:43pm

Bad planning on his part.

That's why universities will soon be providing Jihad Counseling to the less astute muslim students.

"I like where you're going with the SUV idea, kid, but you need some kind of explosive, which can be made from a wide variety of household items!"

203 religion of bacon  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:38:22pm

So did he run away, or did he just duck out to pick up a bag of apostrophes?

Eh, rayra is right, that was a waste of time anyway.

204 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:39:14pm
Tall fences make good neighbors. The Chinese learned this long time... ago. Wall the Southern US border.


I'm not against walling it. just make it easier for them to come legally, on the radar, documented, so at least we can track them.
cuz stopping the flow aint easy: you need a good wall and a naval quasi-blocade of the sea off the coast near the border if you want to keep them from coming at all. but if we make it easier to come legally than illegally, we'll at least know who these people are and where they are. And if theyre documented citizens, wont it be easier to make sure theyre paying taxes?

205 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:39:21pm
206 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:42:07pm

201 ploome hineni
Truly amazing logic.


Kilgore, Jawa is angry with me. Still unable to get there, even with going other ways.

207 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:42:49pm
208 Salem  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:43:41pm

Communist!

Naturally, equality of product is not assured.

209 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:44:32pm
210 Robert D  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:45:24pm

#160 quark2 3/14/2006 10:06PM PST

I have a friend here also on a working visa. She's from Poland and knows more about the laws and Constitution than I can even remember. $350 and a test will make her a citizen.

Arter reading this tonight, I'm going to loan her the money to do it. (I say loan because she wouldn't take it as a gift)

BTW Hi MOM :-)

211 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:46:39pm

in response to criticism, I apologize for introducing the issue of immigration off topic. I withdraw from discussion about this issue on this thread

(finally) on topic: of course this guy's a terrorist. That he says retribution is his motivation is no excuse. If your religion advocates killing people, change your religion. Or at least try fighting soldiers instead of some innocent students who probably oppose the war anyway.


Allah gives permission in the Koran for the followers of Allah to attack those who have waged war against them


common sense gives you permission to attack your attackers too. not innocent civilians.

I did not act out of hatred for Americans, but out of love for Allah instead. ”


Is there a difference?

212 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:46:57pm

Well, my meeting with Jawa's hookers will have to wait until my 'puter accepts Jawa as a working site. Poo, Kilgore, you got me all ready for some spice this fine evening. :D

213 RTLM  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:48:47pm
I'm not against walling it. just make it easier for them to come legally, on the radar, documented, so at least we can track them.

Either you're not getting it, or you do get it and you're determined to see America become something else.

US citizenship is either by birth or by education and honor.

And birth citizenship needs to be modified.

214 foreign devil  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:48:57pm

Here's a piece from Real Clear Politics by Jack Kelly: "No More Excuses for Muslim Violence"

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

"...The ludicrous lengths to which many in the Establishment go to avoid drawing any connection between Islamic terror and Islam itself is causing a backlash among Americans, one which is causing otherwise sensible people to overlook critically important distinctions..."

215 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:48:59pm
Arter reading this tonight,

Howdy, Robert!

Who is this Arter?

216 Robert D  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:51:33pm

#180 Josiah Stevenson 3/14/2006 10:21PM PST

Thats not what im saying. what im saying is we cant say all illegals are bad because a few of them commit crimes - just like you cant say all americans are bad because a few drive drunk.

Just what part of being here illeagly do you not understand? If they were not here the crimes would not be commited!

217 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:52:42pm
218 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:53:43pm

So many great prizes...
Cash and a car for the blood of Danish cartoonists
"There's no time limit. If someone kills the cartoonist in 50 years he will still get the million dollars," he says...
"We would like Denmark to sentence them to death, but since they don't do that there we would settle for life imprisonment." ...
He lowers his voice. "Look, what we basically want to do is send a message to the rest of the world. No doubt it will be difficult for someone to actually go to Denmark and kill these people. But we want to express our anger. And to ensure this never happens again."

Link and quote functions are Kaputz...
[Link: www.zeenews.com...]

219 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:54:36pm
220 Robert D  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:54:50pm

#215 St. Pancake 3/14/2006 10:48PM PST

Arter reading this tonight,

Howdy, Robert!

Who is this Arter?

OOPS! Boy is my face red:-) (after)

221 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:55:45pm

# 212 S P

Here, try this ...

222 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:57:17pm

#206 St. Pancake
Somethin's funky. I'm having a hell of a time with quotes and links, even though I'm used to the new system. Perhaps I need to stop drinking...
/nah

223 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:57:22pm
224 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:57:27pm

218 Killgore Trout
My God, if it was not true, it would be absolutly hilarious. Seething has become the most highly prized Muslim Cultural attribute.

225 Salem  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 8:58:02pm

so I look for their internet-spoor.

Ew.

226 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:00:05pm
227 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:01:30pm

220 Robert D

ROFL, I was teasing!

Hey, Kilgore, do not stop having fun. This is what keeps us separate from the never-ending panarama of doddering seethophiliacs.

228 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:04:02pm

221 Buckaroo
Thanks, at least I know the gist of it. Still could not go to Jawa. Have no idea why either.

229 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:04:49pm
Is this you, Josiah Stevenson?
14. South Tejas (Houston/Kingwood). Dad's a law professor. Apparently has some Brasilian relatives.
Looks like a four-point match for the nonsense he's posted.


that is me...but theyre not relatives, just friends. I lived in brazil last summer and the summer before that. And the age is out of date by about a year. But yeah, four-point match for the stuff i posted - but its not nonsense just because you dont agree with it. Good job finding that though - Im amazed anyone cared enoughto look

230 gymnast  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:04:56pm

#214, forign devil. I think that Kelly's piece underestimates the the problem when you combine the words Arab and Islam. The public reaction to the polemics re: the Dubai Ports deal shows that the American public is afraid of the potential for harm from Arab Gulf Muslims far beyond any rational knowledge of the Islamist threat or agenda. People fear what they are ignorant about more than what they know about. By not knowing much about Islam they are willing to fear anything if it is presented as a threat by equally ignorant politicians.

Wars are won by knowing your enemy, not by chasing phantoms.

231 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:06:58pm

229 Josiah Stevenson
Oh, you are 15?

232 Robert D  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:07:21pm

#227 St. Pancake 3/14/2006 11:01PM PST

220 Robert D

ROFL, I was teasing!

I Know. ((St.P))

233 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:07:42pm

231
yep =)

234 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:09:49pm

#221 Buckaroo
Religious Policeman suggested having a year round Hajj to to quell the traffic but I find the hookers to be a more elegant solution.
/beauty of funtion

235 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:10:46pm
236 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:11:00pm

Josiah, I wish you had informed us. That would have made it more understandable. It is always a good idea when talking to adults online that we know something about you, at least on this type of political site. It would have avoided some of the confusion on polemics, imho. Take it from a teach, ok?

237 Robert D  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:11:46pm

#233 Josiah Stevenson 3/14/2006 11:07PM PST

231
yep =)

A very mature 15, if indeed you are.

238 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:14:56pm
239 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:15:16pm

# 237 R D

Lord knows (and probably Charles does too if he ever aggregated that survey stuff) the median age of lizardoids is way into the 40s -- it's right nice to have younger folk around ...
:-)

240 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:15:28pm

227 St. Pancake

never-ending panarama of doddering seethophiliacs.


Thesaurusizing...
This might take a while...
/TFK puntualizationarianism,,,

241 dmjboose  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:16:35pm

Everyone who was there that i know said it was wierd, but didn't really feel like terrorism. Basically, this guy did a bad job if he was a terrorist. No one's scared at all.

242 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:17:01pm

# 238 ray

"Wondering if the mini cartoon ruckus at UNC the preceding week was enough to push him into Full Seethe mode."

IIRC, that was inferred in news accounts but i don't know if he actually said it amongst all those other gems of his verbal scholarship ...

243 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:18:38pm

236: youre right. future reference: Josiah Stevenson is 15...probably the only 15 year old who actually cares about politics.

244 RTLM  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:19:18pm

seminar troll.

245 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:20:39pm
246 lowandslow  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:22:23pm

#27 Josiah Stevenson

Personally, my attitude about immigration is one of vague acceptance. The mexicans who cut my grass and do my yardwork do a great job, and i would never pay an american to do it - too expensive.

When I was 15, I was mowing lawns, not hiring Mexicans. You're lying.

247 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:22:25pm

# 245 ray

The video clip i saw showed dudes running around with smokey bear hats -- but they were very clearly NOT DIs ...
:-)

248 Robert D  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:23:02pm

#239 Buckaroo

It is indeed. Especially the ones with the intelligence to debate civily. (is that(civily) spelled right? Don't look right...

249 Mike C.  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:23:05pm

# 239 Buckaroo

I thought the ones in their 40s WERE the younger folks.

250 Salem  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:23:36pm

Well that's a pretty highly-functional dementia then, since he stated he plotted to kill his fellow students for two full years beforehand. And duringthat time he maintained his grades and managed to achieve his degree (won't say 'earn', starting to look like sheepskin from UNC is worthless). Then only ~10 weeks (?) later he executes his plan.

But I'm thinking calling it terrorism will only make it trendy. Some of these kids are pretty hopped up on the anti-west thing, and sometimes I worry about what will push them over from Che to Osama. "Dude, like Allah says we can burn shit and blame the Jews for it! Kickass!" Remember the D.C. snipers? I was half expecting for that to become a trend.

Hopefully, this will be an isolated incident, and then whether it was terrorism will be pretty trivial. If we ever experience a rash of these seemingly unorganized incidents, then we may have to redefine what constitutes terrorism, in a legally-binding way. But there is a precipice here.

251 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:23:48pm

hey, It's Persian New Year...
Persians celebrate New Year

all families follow the festival with the setting up of Haft Seen, a table displayed with seven prosperous items from a longer list. The items can include wheat or barley growing in a dish (for rebirth), sweet pudding (affluence), dried fruit of the jujube tree (love), garlic (medicine), apples (beauty and health), sumac berries (the colour of the sunrise), vinegar (age and patience), hyacinth (the coming of spring) and coins (prosperity).


Anyone know what year it is on the Persian calendar?

252 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:23:55pm

# 248 R D

2 l's big fella ...

/but your point is well taken

253 SwampWoman  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:23:56pm

#245 Rayra

Nah, I missed that. So an antisocial little deviant died in a county-mandated boot camp, huh?

254 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:24:18pm
255 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:25:02pm

# 253 SW

IIRC, it was not more than a few hundred miles south of you ...

256 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:26:07pm

# 251 K T

792? 845?


/jus' guessing, would be surprised if it was 4 digits ...

257 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:26:57pm
258 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:27:52pm

# 249 M C

Well, if the median is say 48 -- the under 45 crowd is I suppose ...
:-)

259 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:28:35pm
Personally, my attitude about immigration is one of vague acceptance. The mexicans who cut my grass and do my yardwork do a great job, and i would never pay an american to do it - too expensive.

When I was 15, I was mowing lawns, not hiring Mexicans. You're lying.

well, my family hires them. same thing. I used to mow our lawn, but i would take half an hour, and they take 5 minutes. Also it looks better when they do it. Besides, theyre working to feed their families. Any 15 year old who mows lawns for money is just going to spend it at starbux. Who should get that job?

Anyway, I said I'd stop posting about this on this thread. Now I'm going to pry myself away from the computer and go to bed. Goodnight all.

260 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:28:59pm

240 Killgore Trout
Was that the clop, clop, clop of grammaticus horriblis?
jus sayin'

Anyway, Josiah, it must be your Spring Breal too. Living in Kingwood does have its advantages. The cross country team wins the state championship every darn year. Never can figure that one out. It is an affluent area, btw.

261 SwampWoman  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:30:02pm

#255 buckaroo

Was it south of Daytona where the hookers are gunning for the hooker serial killer?

262 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:31:10pm

pimf, Spring Break

263 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:31:27pm

#251 Killgore Trout

Norouz has been celebrated for at least 3,000 years and is deeply rooted in the rituals and traditions of the Zoroastrian religion.

link

264 RTLM  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:31:43pm

Rayra,

I couldn't care less what Muslims say they're doing with their day trading or their money or their markets.

I'm just glad to see them lose at their own game.

Call it schadenfreude.

265 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:31:51pm
266 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:34:54pm

265 rayra
Sorry, but Josiah resides in blissful affluence in Kingwood. Doubt he knows much about the favelas.

267 Robert D  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:35:19pm

#256 Buckaroo 3/14/2006 11:26PM PST

# 251 K T

792? 845?

/jus' guessing, would be surprised if it was 4 digits ...


Is that BC? :-)

268 Cato the Elder  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:35:48pm

Ah, yes. The war on innocent Mudslums in Palestine. Or, as more properly known, Welfarestine.

269 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:36:16pm
270 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:37:27pm

Geez, 15 years old!
Ain't that just the cuttest li'l thing you ever did hear?
I was 15 once back in &^%#$&^*.

(When the Orioles swept the Dodgers in the World Series.)

271 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:39:21pm

#263 solomonpanting
I'll be damned, the things ya' learn on LGF!

/mid-week drunken Trout

G'nite folks!

272 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:39:26pm

268 Cato the Elder
Hey! Thanks for using my favorite term witht he exception of "seething".

273 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:39:30pm
274 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:40:35pm

# 270 s p

Is this a bad time to mention I wasn't yet born that year?
:-)

275 gymnast  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:40:48pm

#265, rayra. If this Josiah is who he says he is, Charles should council him to read rather than post for a while and give him a new anonymous nic. If he is not who he says he is, he should be gone.

276 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:41:33pm

271 Killgore Trout
Nite, dear!

(((:~Oالله

277 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:42:15pm

265, rayra: sorry, I cant tell you much about the gang warfare in Rio right now, other than that their equivalent of the mafia controlls parts of the city. Brazil is pretty divided into rather isolated communities because people there dont move around their country nearly as much as Americans move around the US. All that really means is that since I only know people from Vitória and a few from São Paulo, I can't help you much with the events in Rio. Sorry.

278 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:42:26pm
279 littleoldlady  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:43:11pm
Any 15 year old who mows lawns for money is just going to spend it at starbux. Who should get that job?

I blame the parents for this attitude. Seriously.

280 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:43:16pm

#274 Buckaroo

Not a t'all!

281 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:43:44pm

But yes, that my blog you found. Havent updated in about a year though.

282 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:45:30pm

275 gymnast
On the other hand, if he is who he really is, then we can possibly fend off the bite of the moonbat. His area is well known for suburban insouciant moonbattery.

283 Robert D  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:47:36pm

#269 rayra

Huzzah! I say.

Eggselent idea.


I'm going to call her tomorrow. It's a quarterly or twice a year type thing. Then her daughter is next. Both wonderful people. Actually, my wife and I call them sis and neicey.

G'nite all. It's the witching hour...

284 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:48:08pm

Josiah, thought you were going to bed. Well, enjoy Spring Break anyway.

285 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:48:31pm
286 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:49:14pm

Nite, Robert. Sleep restfully!

287 littleoldlady  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:49:14pm

Josiah,

If you are still up - GO TO BED, YOUNG MAN!

News flash for you: In some parts of America teenagers get jobs for reasons other than a cup of coffee. Some of them wouldn't be able go to college without that money, or be able to drive, or do anything beyond the bare necessities that their families are able to provide.

Who should get that job, indeed.

288 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:51:22pm
289 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:52:00pm

A guy walks into a liquor store, buys a six-pack, hands the clerk a bill and asks "Can you break this for me?"

290 gymnast  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:53:37pm

#282, St Pancake. If he is going to hang around here he is going to have to get up to speed. Perhaps he could begin by reading the History of Philosophy by Durant, and maybe some VDH columns. Also, the only way he can learn to judge politics is by knowing history.

291 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:53:40pm

287 littleoldlady
Well said. This attitude is what concerns me. The insouciant attitude of so many teenagers drives me batty. They cannot fathom what it is like to pay taxes. For every time they suggest we take care of the world, I really want to initiate a system by which I collect a dollar from them every time they state such nonsense. I wonder how long this would take before the meaning sunk into their craniums.

292 Robert D  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:55:24pm

#286 St.Pancake

Enjoy the rest of your spring break. (Easter Vacation when we went to school) Yes, we are the same age. You sleep well tonight.

293 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:55:50pm
294 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:56:10pm
the only way he can learn to judge politics is by knowing history.


Agreed, gymnast. I would also add by listening and asking appropriate questions.

295 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:56:55pm

G'nite all.

296 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:57:51pm

# 289 s p

Who the hell would put G. Cleveland on a bill? That should have been the giveaway!
:-)
:-)

297 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 9:59:57pm

#289 solomonpanting
Would you happen to know the ethnic origin of that name? Turkdy? Somewhere in the old Soviet Union?

298 gymnast  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:00:10pm

I'm gone.

299 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:00:23pm
300 Salem  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:00:31pm

There is danger of diminishing the term "terrorist". Some loser that allegedly plans two years to innappropriately crank his steering wheel into a random gathering of people should not be one to move the goalposts. After all, even if islam were somehow magically removed, there would still be crazy people.

Aw, what the hell... I BLAME FOCAULT!

Late.

301 Buckaroo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:00:41pm

# 290 g

We really need to have a LGF reading list, like the Marine Corps list. Grab selections form VDH, Steyn, Pipes, Spencer, Fallaci, and Horowitz -- arrange them into a "perferred order" and post it!
:-)

302 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:01:38pm

296 Buckaroo
Very laughable. This is why I was thinking this fine fellow is not from this country. Cannot even locate a name origin on this guy.

303 littleoldlady  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:02:24pm

#291 St. Pancake,

For every time they suggest we take care of the world, I really want to initiate a system by which I collect a dollar from them every time they state such nonsense.

It's not going to do a bit of good unless they've worked for it! ;-)

304 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:02:26pm
305 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:07:13pm
306 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:09:16pm
307 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:09:23pm

303 littleoldlady
"Sigh" You are correct. I also think they would simply refuse to give it up as it is theirs. The disconnection in these kids is out of this world.

308 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:12:13pm
309 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:13:44pm

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:xHyu0aMD8ooJ:p 067.ezboard.com/fdiligizerfrm16%3Fpage%3D3+Tekle+Z igetta&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

This was the only site I could locate with the same odd name as the billion dollar crook. Odd site too.

310 Salem  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:14:31pm

Now then,
Strap that one to the table!
We must find out,
Is he one of us?

311 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:15:06pm
Don't hurt yourself patting your own back. You aren't. Go read some of Colt's first posts here, a couple years ago.
And we routinely discuss the disgusting politicization of the classroom, here, including the children that are getting indoctrinated to stage walkouts by their socialist teachers on issues they have no business taking class time away for.


A)I wasnt patting my own back saying that
B)I dont have a single teacher who's ever expressed pro-immigration views or advocated the use of walkouts

C)Sorry for trying to participate in a political discussion istead of whatever it is you think a 15 year old should do for fun. Sorry for trying to see both sides of the immigration issue. Sorry for expressing a viewpoint that you don't deem valid - even though it supposedly splits both parties 50/50. And thanks for the relentlessly bitter comments about me and the need to keep people like me off LGF.
/sarc

312 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:16:30pm
313 gonzo  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:16:33pm

#259 JS

Any 15 year old who mows lawns for money is just going to spend it at starbux. Who should get that job?

Things are a lot different today. When I was cutting grass it was for money to buy grass...things are different now...

314 selfworm  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:16:53pm

@ #210

I have a friend here also on a working visa. She's from Poland and knows more about the laws and Constitution than I can even remember. $350 and a test will make her a citizen.

You are greatly simplifying the immigration process. I myself am also a first generation immigrant (from Poland) and it took me fourteen years and thousands of dollars to finally become a naturalized U.S. citizen. With most of that time and money going into trying to make the bureaucracy do its job!

315 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:19:33pm
316 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:20:14pm

311 Josiah Stevenson
Josiah, take it easy! Calm down, and then go to sleep, really. I, personally, did not know you were only 15. It would have made a big difference if we had known. Please, next time, just tell us before you post. We simply do not want to give away our hard-earned money to illegals, that is all. It does not have a thing to do with race, color, or creed.

317 littleoldlady  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:21:03pm

#307 St. Pancake,

I have a 17 year old daughter. ('Nuff said? ;-)

I suppose we could work extra long and hard to give her everything her little heart desires, but we've taken a slightly different route: "You want to drive? You need to pay your own car insurance = a job. Prom dress? = a job. Trips with your youth group? = a job..."

We've finally been able to disabuse her of the notion that having a bank card and the ability to get to the machine = "having money". :-)

She needs that job!

318 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:24:00pm

Josiah, do you attend Kingwood H.S.?

319 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:24:05pm
320 Westward Ho  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:24:10pm

Some one is in for some serious horse whipping.

321 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:25:51pm
322 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:26:51pm

317 littleoldlady
Thank you! She will be grateful someday, I asssure you.

323 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:27:49pm

#318

Josiah, do you attend Kingwood H.S.?


yep

324 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:30:08pm

321 rayra
Well, wish there was someway to crack into that odd website. I am making a bet on Turkish origin still. Remember that Turkish is not Arabic, Urdo, Persian, or Pashtun.

325 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:32:03pm

323 Josiah Stevenson
Well, are you satisfied with your education there? What are your favorite subjects?

326 Westward Ho  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:33:13pm

#308, Rayra

"even with the short-term ridiculous spike in oil prices. "


The energy market is very tight and with the stormclouds gathering over Iran will not ease quickly. If the peak oil people are right high prices are going to be a permanent thing. What a pity that fossil fuels are under the asses of the most fossilized culture in the modern world.

327 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:33:57pm
328 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:39:40pm
329 littleoldlady  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:40:18pm

#322 St. Pancake,

She will be grateful someday

She already gets it. Lazy? She wrote the book! But dumb, she's not.

330 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:42:56pm
331 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:42:56pm

325 St. Pancake

Well, are you satisfied with your education there? What are your favorite subjects?

generally, yes. My favorite subject is probably history, with an old, incredibly smart teacher who doesnt hesitate to tell us when the book is wrong. I'm also taking Spanish and Latin: I love the subject matter but dislike my Spanish and Latin teachers. I also really like math and science...
I guess the only things I don't like are art and "PE" because i can't see much value in either.

where in Houston do you live?

332 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:44:08pm
333 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:44:16pm

328 rayra
Ah, that Greek blood! You can literally a Muslim twenty miles away with the Greek heritage! No wonder! My goodness! That Ottoman period sharpened tis skill immensely.

334 Mike C.  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:47:01pm

I thought he was handling himself kind of well. Veering off the self-raised topic in his responses and using anecdotal "evidence" here and there, but we have older lizards, congressmen, senators and at least one entire political party who all do that. Not a bad start for 15, I'd say. If he doesn't mind being painted as a complete geek (dork, whatever), a couple years on the debate team would sharpen up those arguing skills. Sure as hell sounds more rational than 75 % of the posts at Kos.

335 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:47:28pm

331 Josiah Stevenson
I hope you take AP European history. I scoped out the teacher' site there at Kingwood.
http://www.humbleisd.net/education/staff/staff.php ?sectionid=2508

I am in Clear Lake.

336 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:49:28pm

Yes, Mike. I do not want to frighten Josiah off. I would like him to learn.

337 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:51:37pm

St. Pancake

I hope you take AP European history.

Of course Im taking Euro senior year! Ms. Rioux is the best teacher I've ever had! - my current world history teacher

338 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:52:29pm

Josiah, I think I like your history teacher. Lol, I do the same. My students hear me griping about the textbook quite often. The books are written for students with low reading skills. They are also terribly politically correct. High School texts are terribly afraid of offending anyone, so as a result, they are tedious and bland.

339 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:55:27pm

337 Josiah Stevenson
Super! Glad to hear of that! Has she taught you how to do DBQs yet?

340 littleoldlady  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:55:54pm

#338 St Pancake,

They are also terribly politically correct.

The history books are way worse than that. The other day I was checking out my kid's textbook (AP American History)...did you know that WWII was entirely the fault of the U.S.?

Yeah. Surprised me, too.

341 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:57:57pm

Josiah

Actually I have not yet done those with my kids. We are still working on analysis skills with primary sources. I am currently working with them on proper history essay skills also. By the first of April, I should be about ready to tackle practice dbqs.

342 Mike C.  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:58:55pm

Perhaps the two worst-taught subjects in secondary school (overall) are history and English. It can take years to learn they they are not at all dull or uninteresting subjects.

343 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:59:25pm

340 littleoldlady
Oh my! Was the text written by Howard Zinn?

344 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 10:59:55pm

and they paint Muhammed as a nice guy - a merchand who felt sorry for the poor people of mecca so he went to a cave to meditate and...
you know, probably the same thing your textbook says about a marauding raider who - a bit like a 700's equivalent of stalin or mao - used a fake concience as an excuse to conquer much of the arab world, killing its villagers and raping its women and children
..off to a bad start from the beginning lol

so yeah im getting too tired to post coherently. Im promising myself ill actually go to bed this time. Good night.

345 Josiah Stevenson  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:02:45pm

ps yeah were doing dbqs now -er- we started last week

346 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:03:12pm

342 Mike C.
Concurring with you on that one. My field is littered with coaches and PC mush that take offense if you dare to suggest that other cultures besides Western cultures also have their foibles.

347 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:05:07pm

345 Josiah Stevenson
Well, she is ahead of me, lol. I am going to bed also. Good night!

348 Mike C.  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:09:38pm

# 341 St. Pancake

DBQs ?

349 littleoldlady  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:11:53pm

Document Based Questions. (Primary sources)

350 Mike C.  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:15:13pm

# 349 littleoldlady

Well, that tells me what the acronym means (I was holding out for Data Base Query), but not what the concept really means. What dat ?

351 Mike C.  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:23:40pm

Hmm. I vote "wait and see" on this one. The Lankahuasa-1 discovery was a huge gas field - until they drilled the second, third and fourth wells. Oops. 10 MMMBO reserves is a large field even by ME standards.

352 littleoldlady  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:26:18pm

#350 Mike C.,

I can only tell you what I know from my daughter's AP American History class, because this is the first time I've been aware of it. (Apparently St. Pancake uses them to teach regular history courses, as well.)

Essentially it's an essay test, but rather than take the answers from what is remembered from the text, the student is given x amount of primary source documents from which they are supposed to glean the answer.

As an example - one that I sort of remember from the beginning of the year - the kids were given ship's manifests from both Jamestown(?*) and Massachusetts(?*) colonies. There was information on age, sex and occupation. From that (and some other info) they were supposed to write an essay explaining why one was successful and the other was not.

* I think I got the colonies wrong, but that was the gist of the question.

353 Mike C.  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:38:51pm

# 352 littleoldlady

Ah, I see. Thanks. The unsuccessful colony would probably have been Roanoke Island, as both Plymouth and Jamestown were very much successful.

354 foreign devil  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:41:25pm

Just a drive-by posting: Kofi Annan has a new racket at the UN--a $510 million racket as it happens. Courtesy of Claudia Rosett and via Barcepundit, here's the story with some of the same old players:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"Old Ties Resurface in New Annan Project at the UN"

"NEW YORK — United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan has just tabled ostensibly radical proposals for reform, at a proposed cost of more than $510 million, saying he aims to bring efficiency, high ethical standards and above all, transparency to his scandal-tarnished organization.

"One part of the plan calls for clearing out deadwood in the U.N. Secretariat with buyouts costing about $100,000 per person — part of a process that Annan calls "investing in change."

"Whether Annan's proposals will be adopted by the U.N. General Assembly is far from certain. But the secretary general might be able to make a more inspiring case for change if he started by casting more daylight on the workings and personnel of one of his own pet projects: the Alliance for Civilizations — a new U.N. initiative with a nebulous mandate that is now providing berths for an assortment of Annan's old U.N. associates, including his disgraced former chief of staff, Iqbal Riza..." [emphasis added]

I don't know how Kofi Annan was ever picked as Secretary-General of the UN but he is the most corrupt and chameleon-like crook that's ever had that job. He whispers away in that voice of his, and all the while he has every rotten scam in the book running. Why can't he be impeached or removed somehow? Even the UN Staff whistled and jeered at him a week ago at a UN Staff meeting.

355 califran  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:41:52pm

Why does he use the word "countless"? Because if one counts, one realizes how many more Muslims have been killed and are bing killed by Muslims than by us and our allies. What cowardly evasion. And how unsurprising.

356 califran  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:44:09pm

Damn, I meant "being killed." I'm too angry to type well.

357 littleoldlady  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:47:02pm

#353 Mikey,

Roanoke! That sounds more right! ;-)

358 Cato the Elder  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:49:14pm

What's the old saying about being drunk on Purim?

In any case, I am drunk on Purim...

359 MigueldowninMexico  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:51:35pm

Good morning, afternoon, evening everyone.

Trade mark? What is that? No idea.

/innocent peasant boy

360 Cato the Elder  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:51:53pm

Ach! here it is:

A person is obligated to become inebriated on Purim until he doesn't know the difference between "cursed is Haman" and "blessed is Mordechai." (Talmud Megillah 7b)

361 littleoldlady  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:54:11pm

Mazel Tov, Cato! ;-)

Miguel! Don't you peasant boys own watches?! You're too early - you have to wait for Mike C. to open the Dead Thread at 5 am EST.

362 MigueldowninMexico  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:55:52pm

Dear littleold lady:
It's 5 AM EST right now

:p

363 littleoldlady  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:56:56pm

No it's not! Look at the time stamp. Jeez! Were you out drinking with Cato?

364 Spiritualized  Tue, Mar 14, 2006 11:56:58pm

Apparently the "Palestinians" are on strike, ummm, how does that effect anyone but themselves? The biggest welfare recipients on the planet don't want to work, now there's a shocker.

Have you noticed the MSM squirming its way through the reports of "Palestinians" burning and looting EU offices/buildings? They're so reluctant to castigate their precious little darling terrorists, and at the same time they can't quite find a link between the IDF raid and the subsequent destruction of non-Israeli buildings.

The BBC has tried its best though, apparently its the West's fault for radicalising them. Before today--and the dreaded cartoons of blaspheme--the "Palestinians" were "pro-Western" (Jeremy Bowen actually used the phrase "pro-Western").

365 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:00:36am

#363 LOL
Charles' watch is 5 minutes slow

And yes, I'm solidarizing with my friend Cato the Censor ;)

Happy Purim to all Jewish people around!

366 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:02:59am

Goood morning, all!

A little old Yiddish song:

Lomir trinken und trinken
ohn takke ohn an ekk,
Far die vas zenen gegangen oyf evik avek!

367 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:03:28am

Good morning, dead thread.

368 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:04:30am

#364 Spiritualized
The palestinians pro-Western? O yesss, and the sun sets in the East and my pink elephant flies just dandy on friday afternoons.
Thank God, the Muslims are showing their hand. Big mistake in poker, worse mistake in the world scene. Lots of people are awakening to their real monster face, because they are behaving like monsters, from Marocco to Indonesia.
Ok, my 2 c rant.

369 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:05:37am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Harumph!

370 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:06:34am

Mi amigo Miguel!

It's been too long. Good morning!

How are things under the Volcano?

371 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:06:49am

# 359 Miguel
Hola ! See the link at my # 351 and tell us what you've head.

CtE

I have no bloody idea what you're talking about. Getting drunk sounds good, though.

372 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:06:54am

Littleoldlady
The dead thread has been officially inaugurated.

Hello Mike C.
Hello Cato the E.
Hello LOL and everybody else.

373 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:09:19am

Uh, make that "heard", not "head."

374 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:09:50am

Mikey, you can get drunk in China still, no?

375 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:12:13am

# 374 CtE

Have faith. I'm working on it.

376 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:13:02am

#370
Hola, Cato the Elder. Yidish is quite close to modern German (closer to old German), so I can figure out parts of what they say in Yidish. Things under the volcano are ok, thank God. How's things with you?

#371
Hello Mike! I saw the news on tv. They made not a long coverage but still talking about it as something important. And then I read that article via Drudge. It seems to be good news for Mexico, but it still sets me thinking that the HUGE reservoir that have supposedly found would suffice...for about 12 years of the entire production of Mexico. Are we running out of old in the world? They have to go like 30,000 feet down already. What do you think?

377 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:16:10am

Miguel, my new computer is coming today. Boys love toys!

378 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:18:20am

#377
Congratulations, Cato. I know what you mean, a new computer is one of the best toys to have!
Although I would add that girls love toys too. Homo Luddendis.

379 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:18:28am
Oh once there was a wicked, wicked man
And Haman was his name
He lied and lied about the Jews
Though they were not to blame.
Oh today we'll merry, merry be (3x)
And nosh some hamantashen.

--- snip 3 verses ---

In spite of Haman's awful plan
And the scare he gave us
Esther was so brave and strong
She knew just how to save us.
Oh today we'll merry, merry be (3x)
And nosh some hamantashen.

So Haman got his just desserts
And we had won the day
And Esther we will ne'er forget
And on this day we say:
Oh today we'll merry, merry be (3x)
And nosh some hamantashen.

380 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:19:10am

Ludens

381 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:20:30am

# 376 Miguel

Well, a 10 MMMBO reserves oil discovery would be a whopper, and would allow Mexico to forestall declining production for years. But I worked on that supposed huge strike in the Lankahuasa area a couple of years back (out of the Poza Rica office), and the numbers they tossed about after the initial discovery well were F'ing absurd. And quickly disproved by the next 3 wells. Pemex has a problem with reserve estimation, especially in discovery situations, due to political reasons. This is actually quite common in national oil companies, in my experience. Not that western commercial oil companies don't screw the pooch from time to time, mind you - witness the debacles at Shell and El Paso in recent years, to name only two examples.

382 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:23:58am

#181 Mike
I get it. And I agree with you. I imagine that PIVSA by now must be a web of deception, all political, thanks to Chávez. And Pemex has being treated politically, you are right.
How about the running out of oil in the world? Do you see that as a near possibility or not?

383 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:31:33am

LoL, are you talkin' smack about Hamandinejad?

384 nonic  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:33:06am

#379 littleoldlady

Happy Purim!

to littleoldlady and all our Jewish friends :-)

385 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:33:49am

#383 Cato,

I think it was Condor here at LGF who cracked me up when s/he said "I can't spell that whacko's name so I'll just use 'Haman' as a place-holder."

But Hamandinejad works, too. :-)

386 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:34:39am

Hey, nonic! Thanks! :-)

387 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:34:39am

# 382 Miguel

In Venezuela, it's PDVSA. Run out of oil ? No. Face declining daily production ? Bound to happen sooner or later. Maybe it already has. That's currently a hot argument in the industry. To those who think that current prices are a "spike" that will subside back to the $ 30/bbl range, I say, dream on. The demand curve is rising much faster than the production curve possibly can. Greater demand + even equal prodution = higher prices. That's just economics. And those who think oil prices have hit record highs of late simply don't understand constant dollar pricing, since we have yet to hit the constant dollar price peak hit in the early 80s. And all sound economic evidence points to the fact that oil is NOT unreasonably priced. Has the rise in prices had a major economic impact on consuming countries ? No. In the US, there has been a slight decline in sales of low mileage vehicles of the large SUV type, but that's just about it.

388 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:40:14am

#387 Mike
I should have known better. Petroleos De Venezuela Sociedad Anonima. Of course haha. Thanks for the explanation. :)

#386 littleoldlady
why did my 365 go unanswered?

/remember to put it in bold next time

LOL.

389 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:41:46am

Whazzup? Can't seem to post...

This is a test.

390 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:43:27am

Cato, perhaps, too much blood in your alcohol stream :p

391 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:43:54am

Hey, boys and girls, how about a rousing morning chorus of It's In The Koran?

In our days of glory
Now centuries past
The kingdom of Islam
Stood mighty and vast
Then we failed our faith
And watched your power grow
But soon our greatness will return
And this is how we know
Because it's in the Koran
It's written in the Koran
A world united under Allah is
The future of man
How could it not be so
When most opposing us panic
And surrender once a few of them have bled.

We're happy to torture
We're eager to rape
We savor your last screams
On videotape
We massacre children
We ransack a shrine
And all our acts are sanctified
By Suras 2 through 9

Because it's in the Koran
It's written in the Koran
That we should fight and slay the infidels
However we can
We'll blow ourselves to bits
If that gives us an advantage
Or we'll slit your throats while you're asleep in bed.

Those heathens who scold us
Are wasting their breath
Over the millions we've butchered
And starved
We're men who would let girls
Be trampled to death
Rather than see them in public
Unscarved

So don't look for mercy
When you're at our feet
The justice we'll give you
Is harsh and complete
We danced in delight
When your Twin Towers fell
And you'll weep with your slaughtered
As you burn with them in Hell

Because it's in the Koran,
It's written in the Koran
Your fate was settled long before
This latest battle began
We've found our holy purpose
And we'll never abandon it
As long as there's a sinner to behead...

In other words we won't rest
Till everyone in the West
Is a slave, a Muslim or dead.

392 insane_kufr  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:45:29am

Mr.Taheri-azar has really made his defense attorney's job difficult with his corresponded confession; how will they spin this letter?

Taheri-azar is charged with nine counts of attempted murder in the March 3 attack.

Another nugget:

Taheri-azar surrendered to police shortly after the attack. Investigators swarmed his apartment, where they discovered a letter, CDs and a handgun permit.

I'd like to recommend a book to my fellow lizardoids:
The life and religion of mohammed; the prophet of arabia, by Rev. J.L. Menezes; a jesuit missionary who worked in India around 1904 - 1911. This book was published in 1912.

Muslims sometimes adduce the rapid spread of islam, as a proof of its divine origin and in itself a miracle; but this growth can be readily explained, for islam was a religion well suited to the vain-glorious, and self-conceited arabs, and mohammed possessed qualities which enabled him to win over and to hold fast such a race. The arab gloried in his language and mohammed declared that it was a Divine language; and that the decrees of God had been written in that language from all eternity. The arab boasted of the traditional practices and customs of the desert, such as murder, predatory war, slavery, polygamy and concubinage; and mohammed impressed upon all these usages the seal of a Divine sanction. The arab gloried in the holiness of mecca and of the extreme sanctity of the kaaba and the prophet of islam made mecca as the one place chosen by God for his favors and towards which alone they should turn while they said their prayers, and the sacred kaaba he affirmed to be the only portal whereby men could enter into paradise. In a word he took the arab people just as he found them; and declared all that they did to be very good, and approved by God. The fancied revelations of the prophet gratified the vanity of the arabs but failed to elevate them to a higher level; for what the arab was in mohammed's time he is today...
It is preposterous and absurd to assert that the rapid spread of islam is a proof of its divine origin; on the contrary that the religion of islam owed its progress and establishment entirely to the sword is a most convincing proof of its purely human origin.

and then this:

We shall end by summarizing the charachteristic features of islam in the words of a distinguished German scholar who thus writes: A Prophet without miracles; a faith without mysteries; and a morality without loove; which has encouraged a thirst for blood, and which began and ended in the most unbounded sensuality.

My take on islam: it wasn't Gabriel in the cave with mo - it was Satan. Satan is the deceiver. What better deception than to name a religion "peace" and spread it through war?

393 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:45:33am

Miguel,

THANKS!

(Sorry! :-)

394 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:45:51am

#391 Cato
Do you know where can I download that song? I heard it once, and then lost it in the maze of the www.

395 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:51:49am
396 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:52:31am

#392 insane_kufr
Thanks a lot for the recommendation, it looks like a very interesting and truthful book. I'll look for it oni the web. And I agree with you, the purported "Gabriel" was a demon. What a good explanation of Islam in the paragraphs you pasted.

#393 littleoldlady
A pleasure. :) I'll drink to the people of the Old Covenant. (Old meaning the first one, still in total force). The New Covenant is with Christians. Both are two faces of the same reality of "I am who I am" or "I am the one who IS"

/getting enlightened here by good domestic rum ;)

397 Terp Mole  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:52:54am
Please see to it that this letter is broadcast throughout the world in its entirety. Sincerely yours, Mohammad Taheri-Azar

And, naturally, the MSM dutifully submits to the jihadist demand.

Isn't it astonishing how (otherwise boring) rants achieve instant global attention, when signed with innocent blood?

Like his inspirational mentor, it's an understatement to say Taheri-azir is merely encouraged by MSM publicity. Terrorists require publicity. It is their lifeblood.

Lesson: Terrorism pays-- handsomely.

398 Westward Ho  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:54:03am

#382,Miguel

Well we are not discovering or bringing online the 82 million barrels we consume per day. Peak oil has some very scary prophets of doom.

399 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:55:22am

# 391 CtE

Thanks ! Copied that, pasted it into a Word doc, and filed it away on the ole hard drive. Heh.

400 Ann  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:56:35am
401 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:56:51am

#395 littleold lady
Thanks a lot! It's a blast! hahahahahaha. Can I download it to my HD from there? I'm computer illiterate.

402 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 12:57:49am

Miguel, you can get it right here on our illustrious LGF.

It's been banned from numerous other sites of pussilanimity such as Google Video and Yahoo. But we still have it!

Just right-click to download your own copy. And show it to everyone.

403 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:00:28am

#396 Miguel,

I'll drink to the people of the Old Covenant. (Old meaning the first one, still in total force). The New Covenant is with Christians. Both are two faces of the same reality of "I am who I am" or "I am the one who IS"

Yup. One of "us" is just a little confused. (And I can't wait to find out which one! LOL!)

404 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:02:27am

#400 Ann,

Good grief! You need to be an "expert" to define "terrorism"?!

/Hey! I'm an expert. Who knew?

405 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:02:38am

Okay - does anybody out there know how I can download that entire "It's in the Koran" file, sound and all ? I'd REALLY like to save that !

406 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:06:04am

#402 Cato
Thanks a lot! It's already on my HD. I'm going to imitate Mike and copy the lyrics :)

407 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:07:44am

# 402 CtE

I still can't manage to save it. I gotta go get something to eat, but I'll be back in a bit, so if you have advice for a Wintel user running XP Pro as to how to do that, I would appreciate it.

408 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:08:10am

Muslims are such dumbasses.

From our little opportunistic terrorist's letter:

The fact that the Koran is a scientific and mathematic miracle proves that it is from a supernatural source.

How many times I've heard this Da Vinci Code crap. I once had a Muslim tenant who spent his leisure hours playing numerology games with the Koran.

Same guy who later threatened (in writing) to "kill you, eat your flesh and go to jail" for a minor perceived insult.

Dumbasses.

409 Powderfinger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:08:11am

#405 Mike C.

Check your email.

410 Ann  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:09:55am

#404 littleoldlady

Good grief! You need to be an "expert" to define "terrorism"?!

Not one article that I have seen held the definition of terrorism. It's either journalistic laziness or it's continued effort at moral equivalency. The LLLs really want to believe that the UNC jihadi is simply insane. More comfortable for their brittle little minds, I guess.

Off to get ready for work (-:

Have a great day, everyone!

411 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:12:20am

#403 littleoldlady
I am NOT confused ;)

#398 Westward Ho
I'm afraid that's bound to happen sometime not far away. We'll all adapt, though, excepto for the Muslims that will see their revenues fall to the floor.

412 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:14:02am

#410
Bye Anne. God bless you. Say hi! to reaganite, please :)

413 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:15:10am

Further from the piddlediddle's letter:

I have no hatred for anyone. I only act out of love for Allah and I never hesitate to do as Allah has commanded in the Koran, which I have read all 114 chapters of approximately 15 times now, beginning in June 2003.

Direct, irrefutable proof that the Koran turns men into apes.

/no offense to apes

414 Terp Mole  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:15:24am
Westward Ho: Well we are not discovering or bringing online the 82 million barrels we consume per day.

Au contraire!

It is estimated that the Athabasca Oil Sands deposit contains 1.7 trillion barrels (270 km3) of crude; however, at current market prices, and given the technology of today only 311 billion barrels (49.4 km3) of crude oil can be feasibly extracted.

That market/technological barrier is about to change dramatically.

Ivanhoe Energy's Revolutionary Heavy-to-Light Oil Process Achieves Performance Goals as Commercial Tests Begin
415 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:20:46am

#413 Cato
Further more, this guy says he kills for the love of God Weird concept of love they have.
/nooo, please don't love me, nooo

416 Powderfinger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:23:15am

My God can kill your ass right where you stand.

He really doesn't need any help from me.

417 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:24:45am

from 400 Ann's Link:
Was The UNC Pit Attack an act of terrorism?
Survey

People are divided about what to call last week's incident on the UNC campus when, police said, a man drove an SUV onto campus aiming to deliberately hit pedestrians to punish the U.S. government. Was this an act of terrorism?

Votes Percentage of 5753 Votes

Yes; it clearly was aimed at innocent people with the intention of intimidating or coercing the government.
4178/Votes -73%

No; it could just be the act of a mentally disturbed person.
736/Votes -13%

Let's wait and see what details come out in a trial before deciding.
568/Votes -10%

It's possibly terrorism, but it shouldn't be called that because it could inflame the situation.
201/Votes -3%

I'm not sure.
70/Votes -1%


notice the intro statement vs the the survey results, DINO...
-- DRG --...
;>P

418 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:24:46am

I just realized I'm going to be in Israel in five months.

On that note, a good day to you all. I'm off to work.

419 nonic  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:25:20am

it's in the koran

Does anyone know the name of that tune? It's some well known jingle or ditty, I just can't think of it.

420 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:26:36am

Have a good day Cato the Elder.

421 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:27:02am

Dusty, that's incredible. 73% of respondents call it terrorism, yet the paper says "people are divided"?

I'd love to have that kind of vote when I run for office.

The media in this country are such dumbasses, they might as well be Mudslums.

422 Westward Ho  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:27:51am

Terp Mole,

That is great news, I am sick of financing the Jihad against my people ( infidels ) every time I fill up.

423 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:28:17am
I'm late, I'm late, for a very important date,
No time to say good-bye, hello,
I'm late, I'm late, I'm late.

And when I wave, I lose the time I save.
My fuzzy ears and whiskers took me
too much time to shave,
I run and then I hop, hop, hop,
I wish that I could fly.

There's danger if I dare to stop
And here's the reason why,
You see, I'm overdue, I'm in a rabbit stew,
Can't even say good-bye, hello,
I'm late, I'm late, I'm late...

Good day, ALL!

424 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:31:07am

Oh, what the heck, one last post:

Hello, I must be going
Well I only came to say
That I hear my mother calling
And I must be on my way!

And with that, adieu, good people.

425 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:34:52am
Oh, what the heck, one last post:

Beware the Ides of March!

426 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:37:41am

#425
Good day, littleoldlady! :)

427 Terp Mole  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:38:46am
Terp Mole, That is great news, I am sick of financing the Jihad against my people ( infidels ) every time I fill up.

Buy Buy Buy IVAN!

428 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:43:48am

Five arrested over cartoon protests
Guardian-Robert Booth and agencies
Wednesday March 15, 2006

Five men were arrested this morning in connection with last month's London protests against cartoons satirising the prophet Muhammad.
A spokeswoman for the Metropolitan police said four of the men were being held on suspicion of incitement to murder and all five were being held on the public order offence of "using words or written material to stir up racial hatred".

Four of the men were arrested at their London homes in Tower Hamlets, Redbridge, Southall and Waltham Forest and were taken to a central London police station for questioning. The fifth man was arrested in Birmingham and is being questioned there...


-- DRG --...
;>P

429 Stringart  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:44:51am

This is a problem why?


It almost seemed like a miracle to Haldis Gundersen when she turned on her kitchen faucet this weekend and found the water had turned to beer.

This is why.


Two flights down, employees and customers at the Big Tower Bar were horrified when water poured out of the beer taps.

Beer flows from kitchen faucet

430 bweep  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:51:10am

Part of the reason for the muslims affinity for suicide and murder is their total conviction in an afterlife. Death is just a passage to paradise for them. If they kill the innocent then Allah puts everything right on the other side.

431 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:51:57am

Back to the future

Robert Tait looks back more than fifty years to the last time Iran was referred to the world's official guardian of peace and security


Guardian-Wednesday March 15, 2006

Standing before the hallowed chambers of the UN security council, the charismatic Iranian leader confronted his adversaries with the combative defiance that was his hallmark. Bullying foreigners, he proclaimed, wanted to deny Iran its legitimate right to an energy resource vital to its future. No amount of international pressure would force his government to retreat from a position that had the full support of the great Iranian nation.

To almost universal surprise, security council members were swayed by the demagogic statesman's arguments and voted to shelve the resolution rather than take punitive action against Iran. It was a devastating blow for a prevailing western worldview whose sense of self-righteousness had never before suffered such a sharp reverse.


Guardian's Robert Tait in orgasmic lust, swoons over the current Iranian Leader...
BWAHAhahahaha...
-- DRG --...
;>P

432 insane_kufr  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:52:31am

MigueldowninMexico:

[Link: www.conservativebookclub.com...]

433 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:52:35am

Good day everybody, God bless all. :)

434 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:54:36am

#432 insane_kufr
Thanks a lot! It's in my favorites now. I'll see it later, cause I'm going to bed now. See you around i.k. :)

435 Dar ul Harbarian  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 1:59:01am

Good Morning.

I hope you all had a happy pi-day.

My opinion regarding the NC Jihadi:

People snap and go on killing sprees from time to time. It is just a flaw in human nature. I suspect this fellow was experiencing some unknown stressors in his life and tipped over the edge.

That being said, Islam appears to do one thing that no other religion does: It gives justification and rationalizations for peoples' homicidal rages. I don't think there is anything in Hinduism, Chistianity, or any other major religion that so clearly and unambiguously gives license the mankind's bloodthirsty violent streak as the Koran. (it also gives a free hand for many other nasty human tendencies but that is tangential). Appologists for Islam might say that you will find similar things in the Bible. But, that is disingenuos. The Koran is much more clear, explicit, and repetative in its xenophobia and violence. Nutcases will always use it to justify slaughter.

The answer is to be honest about the nature of the Koran: insult it, belittle it, ridicule it, and shame decent Muslims into moderating their religion, if that is possible.

436 Dar ul Harbarian  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:06:16am

#431 dustyroadguy

They just can't let go of the evil-west narrative. Even in the face of a obvious genocidal maniac.

437 Terp Mole  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:11:59am
Dar ul Harbarian @ #435: I suspect this fellow was experiencing some unknown stressors in his life and tipped over the edge.

1) It's clear from his letter that he'd been planning his attack for months.

2) The "stressors" (aka, root-cause or grievance) theory of terrorism is highly disputable.

3) Notwithstanding, the local "stressors" are known.

438 nonic  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:13:10am

#419 nonic

it's in the koran

Well, if I hummed it correctly to my son, he says it's the Officer Krupke song from West Side Story.

I think he's right.

439 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:13:13am

Pentagon papers offer insight into al-Qa'eda's hidden world of terror
Telegraph -By Anton La Guardia
(Filed: 22/02/2006)

It could be any employment contract setting out salary, paid holidays, home leave and grievance procedures - except in this case the employer is al-Qa'eda and the recruit's job is "carrying out jihad".

By signing the contract, the recruit commits himself to al-Qa'eda's objectives: "Support God's religion, establishment of Islamic rule, and restoration of the Islamic Caliphate, God willing."

An al-Qa'eda "mujahed brother" is paid a monthly wage of 1,000 Pakistani rupees (about £10 at current rates) if a bachelor, 6,500 rupees (£65) if married, with an additional 500 rupees (£5) for every child. Air fares for home leave are paid for by the firm. Tickets cannot be cashed in but are transferable for performing the Haj pilgrimage.

The contract is one of thousands of documents captured by US forces, mostly in Afghanistan and Iraq during the past four years of the "global war on terror", and stored on a Pentagon database known as Harmony.


Jihadi for a price, 'show me the money'...
-- DRG --...
;>P

440 realwest  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:15:48am

Mornin' Youse'all from Sunny, windy and cold (31 degrees) NYC.
How is everyone?

441 realwest  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:20:08am

Where are all the usual suspects for a Dead Thread?
Mike C., littloldlady, GoddessoftheClassroom, Aussiemagpie and everyone else?

442 Terp Mole  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:23:51am
realwest: Where are all the usual suspects for a Dead Thread?

Placing early trades in on IVANHOE Energy, I suspect.

443 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:23:58am

Morning realwest

Drive by posting as I head to the gym.
BBL(Spring break= no students in gym)

444 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:28:46am

In Iran, Dissenting Voices Rise on Its Leaders' Nuclear Strategy
By MICHAEL SLACKMAN -New York Times
Published: March 15, 2006

TEHRAN, March 14 — Just weeks ago, the Iranian government's combative approach toward building a nuclear program produced rare public displays of unity here. Now, while the top leaders remain resolute in their course, cracks are opening both inside and outside the circles of power over the issue.

Some people in powerful positions have begun to insist that the confrontational tactics of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad have been backfiring, making it harder instead of easier for Iran to develop a nuclear program.

This week, the United Nations Security Council is meeting to take up the Iranian nuclear program. That referral and, perhaps more important, Iran's inability so far to win Russia's unequivocal support for its plans have empowered critics of Mr. Ahmadinejad, according to political analysts with close ties to the government...


-- DRG --...
;>P

445 realwest  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:29:01am

#442 Terp Mole - aha! Nothing like a good insider knowledge base to get folks up and runnin'!

#443 VIA - hello and goodbye - have a great workout, sweat a little for me, would ya? Thanks!

446 realwest  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:32:52am

#444 dustyroadguy - mornin' to you too! Wish that story was true, but it was, after all, the NYT so who knows where that report came from? Sources could be Amnesty International, Human Rights et.al. to create doubt about the possible need for UN/US intervention, no?

447 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:34:24am

Miles Davis, genre bender
International Herald Tribune via
The New York Times WEDNESDAY, MARCH 15, 2006

If newspapers and television broadcasts reach the afterlife, then the renowned trumpeter and musical chameleon Miles Davis is surely snickering about the dispute surrounding his recent induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Critics of the choice argue that Davis was a jazzman - not a rocker - and accuse the hall of misappropriating a major jazz deity and of muddying up the musicological picture. But muddying up traditional categories is what this genre-bending musician was all about, especially in the latter part of his long career.


was he or wasn't he ?...
-- DRG --...
;>P

448 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:36:41am

# 409 Powderfinger

Just did, but didn't find one from you. Sorry. But if it was regarding getting a copy of "It's in the Koran" saved off, don't worry. Mi amigo, MigueldowninMexico kindly e-mailed me the mp3 file. I have already mailed it and the Word doc I copied from CtE's post to about 90 across the globe. I have, uh, excluded the muslims I know from the mailing list, for some odd reason. Heh.

449 realwest  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:37:29am

I think this was posted or commented upon earlier, but as I'm gonna have to leave for my pre-breakfast nap, I tought I ought to bring it to everyone's attention, even if it's "old news" at LGF:

Earthen Dam in Hawaii Bursts, Killing One
By JAYMES SONG (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
March 15, 2006 6:20 AM EST
KILAUEA, Hawaii - One person was killed and up to seven others were missing after a rain-weakened dam failed on the western Hawaiian island of Kauai, sending a wall of muddy water, trees and debris down the mountainside and prompting fears about the safety of other dams.

[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

450 realwest  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:43:11am

#447 DRG - Miles Davis was not in any way, shape or form a rock and roller. However certain of his electric blues albums and music from Bitche's Brew and others certainly influenced music created by rock and roll perfromers after him, so I say he deserve's entry to the Hall and the Hall should be extremely proud of having him!
Anyway, gotta split now, hope to see youse'all later!

451 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:52:12am

Sheep and goats stolen from Ashdod nature reserve
JPost.com Israel Aticle
Mar. 15, 2006 13:20 Updated Mar. 15, 2006 14:36

Over 20 sheep and goats were stolen on Wednesday from a nature reserve in Lachish Park, Ashdod.

The local authority reported the theft to Ashdod police, who were investigating the matter.

Police have not yet apprehended the suspects.


hmmm ?, I shall refrain from the obvious...
-- DRG --...
;>P

452 3 wood  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:52:21am

Goodd morning dead threaders. Mmmm, I'm having a breakfast of M&M's and coffee. Don't think my doctor would approve, but dang, that's good.

Hey Cubs fans, don't look now but your ace pitcher, Mark Prior, is having shoulder problems already.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb /specials/spring_training/2006/03/14/bc.bbn.cubs.p rior.ap/index.html

Now according to the team this problem just surfaced yesterday. Anybody with eyes in their head could see Prior had a sore shoulder for the last several months of last season. He lost velocity and location on his fastball and he was just flipping the breaking stuff with his fingertips. For anybody not familiar with the art of pitching, to throw a hard breaking ball that does not hang, you have to pull down hard on the ball as you release it, but you can't do that with a sore shoulder. So then all you can do is throw the breaking stuff by spinning it off your finger tips and hope.

All of this boils down to I don't believe a word the Cubs management is saying, I believe Prior has had a shoulder problem since last year, this will not be a quick fix, and basically the Cubs fans are screwed again.

I figure the Cubs will be toast by June 15th.

453 bweep  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:55:32am

OT: Five London cartoon protesters arrested. Five charged with 'inciting racial hatred', Four with 'incitement to commit murder'. The main loudmouth is amongst them.

454 hiker  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:55:44am

#14 Buckaroo

" 'Muslims should address this fear by developing a moderate, modern, and good-neighborly version of Islam that rejects radical Islam, jihad, and the subordination of "infidels." ' "

Then it wouldn't be islam.

455 3 wood  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 2:59:22am

#387 Mike C.

Greater demand + even equal prodution = higher prices. That's just economics. And those who think oil prices have hit record highs of late simply don't understand constant dollar pricing, since we have yet to hit the constant dollar price peak hit in the early 80s. And all sound economic evidence points to the fact that oil is NOT unreasonably priced.

Truer words have yet to be written, but good luck getting the average joe on the street to understand that. It's all the evil oil companies price fixing and price gouging, don't you know.

456 mama winger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:01:26am

#452 3 wood

I figure the Cubs will be toast by June 15th.



I stumble out of bed, drag myself over to the computer, and this is what greets me?

Arghghghghghghgh

457 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:07:17am
458 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:07:40am

# 455 3 wood

I've lost interest in convincing fundamentally stupid people of the facts. My last driver to the airport was saying oil companies should not be allowed to make such hideous profits. So I asked him what would be an allowable percentage of profit. After he answered "15-20 %", I asked him what percentage profit Exxon-Mobil had just turned in with record-shattering profits. It was a pretty damned quiet ride after that.

459 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:10:18am

Good Morning!

460 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:11:30am

{Cruella}, {Your Stubbornness}, {Ai}

461 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:12:15am

# 457 AI

"Those who are tardy will not get fruit cup."

462 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:13:09am

MikeC.
I just want to extend my condolences to you, a misunderstood oil man. You guys are the whipping boys of our generation.

463 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:13:56am

Can Bush rally US public?
Three years into the Iraq war, the president intensifies efforts to boost Americans' resolve.
By Linda Feldmann Staff writer
The Christian Science Monitor

WASHINGTON – Preemption was the name of the game in President Bush's first-term foreign policy: Undo Iraqi President Saddam Hussein before he harms the United States. Now, with the three-year mark for the start of the Iraq war coming this Sunday, Mr. Bush has launched another preemptive campaign - to answer the war's critics before the media flood of anniversary coverage.

In a series of speeches that began Monday, Bush is seeking again to lay out a "strategy for victory" in Iraq that the White House hopes will rebuild US public support for the effort after the recent wave of sectarian violence. Polling data have not been promising: 80 percent of Americans believe Iraq is heading toward civil war, and 52 percent say it's time to start pulling out, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Bush did not lay out a timetable for withdrawal in his first speech, which focused on security, but he did set a key goal for the first time - that by the end of this year, Iraqi forces will control more territory than the US-led coalition...


-- DRG --...
;>P

464 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:14:39am
465 mama winger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:15:25am

My eyes are not sufficiently open enough to read all the posts on this thread. I'm wondering if this guy is plading guilty? That would be a shame, because a public trial would be oh-so-enlightening.

Or is he going to plead innocent by reason of islam?

466 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:15:55am

Rock analyzer? What do you think of the latest batch of American Idol contestants?

467 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:16:08am
468 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:16:44am

# 462 Peacekeeper

Long as they pay me and pay me well, I could give a ***.

# 464 AI

Okay, now I'm interested. What is your definition of "an oil man" ?

469 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:16:57am
470 hiker  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:17:36am

#27 Josiah Stevenson

"Personally, my attitude about immigration is one of vague acceptance. The mexicans who cut my grass and do my yardwork do a great job, and i would never pay an american to do it - too expensive."

What's the matter? Can't do your own yard work?

I guess you have no problem with criminals, who have no allegiance to the United States (and in many instances are openly hostile towards it), who keep wages down for Americans, and who are bankrupting many of our institutions and services, doing your work for you. You do know, though, that you are breaking the law by hiring them?

471 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:17:53am
472 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:18:11am

#465 mama winger 3/15/2006 05:15AM PST

I'm wondering if this guy is plading guilty?


no
-- DRG --...
;>P

473 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:18:47am
Long as they pay me and pay me well, I could give a ***.

They print that right on your ID card, don't they?

474 friarstale  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:18:52am

at least the would-be killer is giving us the truth, no takkiya (or however it's spelled)

the truth from the jihadi's own mouth, no one to accuse him of racism, or misinterpreting anything
just ask him

475 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:19:15am
476 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:20:31am

It's OK, Ai, we all know about your problems with reality. :)

Actually I have to blame my wife for making me watch the thing.

477 mama winger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:21:09am

#472 DRG

Well I'm glad about that. Perhaps the trial will be an opportunity for folks to hear the true message of islam, and wake the hell up.


oops - did I just swear out loud?

478 3 wood  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:21:15am

#456 mama winger

I stumble out of bed, drag myself over to the computer, and this is what greets me?

Arghghghghghghgh

And, your first baseman, Derrick Lee banged up his shoulder in the World games and is flying back to have it checked out. Enjoy the season.

#458 Mikey

So I asked him what would be an allowable percentage of profit. After he answered "15-20 %", I asked him what percentage profit Exxon-Mobil had just turned in with record-shattering profits. It was a pretty damned quiet ride after that.

You and I think a lot a like. And the profit totals are up cause they are selling more product due to increased demand. Actually the profit margin for oil companies is lower than the major networks, but nobody talks about that.

479 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:23:19am

This is hilarious. Anti-American scum and all-around lowlife Ted Rall wants to sue Ann Coulter.

She has no reason to believe that I am less patriotic than any other American.

Really? I guess calling Pat Tillman an idiot didn't bother anyone.

What a putz.

480 Carl B  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:23:24am

They keep telling us over and over that their moon god orders murderous jihad against "western infidels" yet our leaders refuse to listen and continue excusing it as the behavior of extremists! Where are the massive protests by "moderate muslims" against the extreme behavior of their compatriots? It doesn't exist. They only protest in support of extremism, hence this is the mainstream belief, not extreme.

481 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:23:52am

.

Perhaps the trial will be an opportunity for folks to hear the true message of islam, and wake the hell up.


Hell already woke up. They're all over the place...

482 hiker  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:24:10am

#35 Bubble Girl

I am all for immigration, but LEGAL immigration. These millions of illegals, from whatever country, are criminals; they broke our law when they came here or stayed here beyond their allotted time; they continue to break our law every day they stay here. Besides, they have no loyalty or allegiance to the United States (but then, why should they? They are not Americans). Aside from them bankrupting many of our institutions and services, and depressing wages for American citizens, they are spitting in the faces of all those who played by the rules and came here legally, and that includes my MOTHER!

483 mama winger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:25:17am

#478 3 wood

At least they don't play in a slum-yard.

Nyah-nyah-nyah :)

484 abolitionist  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:25:19am

#319 rayra

Nothing with copyright earlier later than say early 1960s. THEN you go back and read the pap in your textbooks today, see them for the garbage they undoubtedly are.

...as I believe you intended.

485 hiker  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:26:02am

#42 Iron Fist

"I have no desire to go out and avenge the Cherokee."

Well said.

486 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:26:52am

Insults and accusations as Prodi and Berlusconi go head-to-head
The Independant -By Peter Popham in Rome
Published: 15 March 2006

The Italian Prime Minister, Silvio Berlusconi, and his challenger, Romano Prodi, traded insults and extravagant accusations in their first debate in a decade, held under rigid, American-style rules.

Millions watched the live debate last night, the first of two before the general election on 9 and 10 April, with public interest further piqued by the revelation in the Corriere della Sera newspaper yesterday that nearly a quarter of the electorate has yet to make up its mind. Mr Prodi's centre-left coalition has a slim lead in the opinion polls.


-- DRG --...
;>P

487 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:28:48am
488 grayp  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:29:06am

#479 Jammie

Ted Rall wants to sue Ann Coulter

.

BWAHAHAHA. Ted Rall has a death wish. Can't wait.

Good morning everyone. Has anyone heard an update on how Miss Trixie's yorkie is doing?

489 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:29:29am

Good Morning and Happy Wednesday All!

(Well, Happy Thursday for Aussie)

Sunny and cold here in Chicago.

Good Morning my American Infidel neighbor!

{Peacekeeper} giving me chuckles already!

490 hiker  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:29:32am

#48 Josiah Stevenson

"American Citizenship shouldnt be some aristocratic world status available only by birth."

It's not. Legal immigrants can apply for American citizenship. My mother did. She wasn't born here, but she came here legally.

491 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:30:19am

{Blue} Good morning!

492 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:30:24am

# 475 AI

May come as shock to you, but that's actually where the oil is. The stork doesn't drop it down the chimmney and it's not under cabbage leaves in the garden.

Still awaiting your definition of "an oil man." Come on - give it your best shot.

493 mama winger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:30:32am

#488 grayp

I have not heard about the little gal, but then again I was not on the blog much yesterday. I hope it's good news.

494 3 wood  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:31:16am

#473 Peacekeeper

They print that right on your ID card, don't they?

I figure its on his business card.

495 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:34:53am

# 478 3 wood

Oil stocks have long had lower P-E ratios than many industries for that very reason. It is blatently public, overwhelmingly obvious data that is printed in newspapers every business day. And only about 1 in 100 seem to have even the slightest clue. There's more than a few on this blog that are clearly amongst the 99.

496 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:35:07am
497 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:36:01am
498 Sean II  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:37:04am
499 3 wood  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:37:04am

#483 mama winger

At least they don't play in a slum-yard.

Nyah-nyah-nyah :)


You mean the home of the reigning World Champions?

500 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:38:39am

VIEW: The Bush visit in retrospect — Ijaz Hussain
Daily Times Wednesday, March 15, 2006

There was also a marked difference in style with President Bill Clinton’s visit in 2000. President Clinton had lectured and hectored the entire Pakistani nation and was reluctant to be seen shaking hands with a military dictator. His successor, however, was comfortable hobnobbing with the man with two hats

The image that captured the outcome of US President George Bush’s visit to Pakistan most succinctly was the one of his reception at the Islamabad airport. In terms of protocol Foreign Minister Khurshid Mahmud Kasuri, rather than President Pervez Musharraf, receiving the US president was absolutely correct. As President Musharraf explained in his press conference, the American president, too, had never received him at the airport whenever he went to Washington on an official visit.

However, the image stood out because it contrasted sharply with the one that came out from New Delhi — showing Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh ignoring protocol to welcome the American president at the airport. It also stood out because not long ago the US president had publicly called President Musharraf a “friend”...


-- DRG --...
;>P

501 SaneInMN  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:39:50am

487 AI

"Just thinking about the 10 or 15 or 20 women wanting one man to pick her & only her, gawd it makes me cringe just thinking about it..."

...would you grovel at the feet of a man for a million? Don't confuse love with gold-digging.

502 Mentat  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:40:47am

Charles:

If you get a chance, please deconstruct this incredibly interesting article on the Institute of the Arab World in Paris. Bat Ye'or mentions it 3 times in her book Eurabia and, as you can see, it really is concrete evidence of the Eurabian game plan of France:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Snip:

And yet, despite the success of its exhibitions, the institute remains something of a strange hybrid: located southeast of Notre-Dame, in a striking building designed by Jean Nouvel, it has operated since 1987 as a partnership between France and 22 Arab countries. Its 150-member staff is multinational, but it is headed by a French political appointee, at present an octogenarian Gaullist, Yves Guéna. Further, while all its partners are committed to supporting its annual budget of $26 million, some Arab countries fail to pay up, with the result that the French Foreign Ministry is regularly called on to cover the deficit ($3 million last year).

As a cultural body ultimately subject to French and Arab political whims, then, the institute's freedom to address contemporary issues between Europe and the Arab world is limited. Many of its conferences and debates address cultural subjects or nonpolitical themes like health, although two recent debates were topical: one addressed the culture of violence under Saddam Hussein; the other explored North Africa's "memory" of French colonialism.

503 hiker  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:41:16am

#85 bonz

"But after it was over, I've never seen someone so proud to be a citizen of the United States."

I remember when my mother became a citizen. She wept with happiness and pride.

504 3 wood  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:41:29am

#495 Mikey

Oil stocks have long had lower P-E ratios than many industries for that very reason. It is blatently public, overwhelmingly obvious data that is printed in newspapers every business day.

In fact I often tell my Econ students that the key to understanding economics is no more complicated than being able to perceive obvious reality before your eyes.

505 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:42:36am

Ai
That's not the dynamic at work on American idol. If it was I wouldn't be watching it. Basically it's a talent contest with male and females as contestants and judges.

506 W-lover  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:42:38am

{PK}-

I think that 17 year old girl, Paris, is really good.

507 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:43:38am

It's a wonder that Oil Companies stay in business at all, they suffer so...

508 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:43:52am
509 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:44:06am

If oil comes from dinosaurs, why is my company's most prolific field in Texas Pennsylvanian aged?

510 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:44:54am

# 496 AI

I assume you're referring to "The Hellfighters", the ONLY movie John Wayne was ever in that even incidentaly referred to the oil business. He played "Red" Adair, who was a legendary oil well firefighter, not an oil man per se. I'll bet you could write everything you know about the oil business on a 3X5" card from 20' away with a can of spray paint. Oh, and BTW, I spent years out on oil rigs. Seismic crews, too.

511 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:45:00am

{Dubs}
Oh yeah! The two teenage girls and Mandisa (SP?) really have talent. Mandisa'a probably the best. IMHO

512 hiker  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:45:21am

#90 Michael in MI

"As with anything, if you don't work hard for it, you don't appreciate it. This is evident among illegal immigrants. They don't appreciate the freedoms of America, because they didn't work hard to get here."

That's a fact.

513 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:45:29am
514 mama winger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:45:55am

#499 3 wood

Last year, my daughter and her husband went to whatever-they-call the park where the White Sox play. They had never been before ( I never have and never will). They said it was disgusting, and they did not enjoy the experience.

Contrast that with sitting in the temple of Wrigley Field. Well, no comparison.

When the Sox made the series, I was happy for them, and clapped politely. Us Cubs fans are nothing if not classy. But no fair-weather fan am I. I didn't buy the T-shirt, or pretend I was a fan. I have my integrity, you know. :)

My first memory of watching the Cubs was when I was 4 years old, in the backyard plastic pool, and my dear grandma shouted from the back door - "Hurry - Come in! Ernie's up to bat!"

Not giving that up, ever.

515 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:46:06am

WASHINGTON DIARY: ‘You can’t punish America’ — Dr Manzur Ejaz
Daily Times Wednesday, March 15, 2006

Even President George W Bush was not aware of how much he has pushed the country to a self-centred, arrogant and discriminatory mindset when he singed the deal with Dubai World Ports. The way the media storm erupted, and his own party rebelled against him, shows that the anti-Muslim bias has gone out of control. And it is not limited to the Republicans only: the entire political spectrum has been campaigning against the deal. However, the US can emerge unscathed despite the blatant discrimination because the Arab ruling classes are dependent and controlled entities.

The Anti-Dubai crusade was initiated by two opportunist Democrat senators; Hillary Rodham Clinton and Charles Schumer did it to please the Jewish voters. Hillary Clinton is up this November for her senatorial re-election from New York. The state has the largest concentration of Jewish voters anywhere outside Israel. These voters constitute the most powerful lobby dictating to the politicians who represent them. Therefore, Hillary Clinton’s decision to raise the issue was not surprising. She was immediately joined by Charles Schumer and another Democratic senator from the neighbouring state of New Jersey, who represent similar interests.


therfore:

Ultimately, therefore, the death blow to the deal came from Republican leadership from the South, Bush’s political base. With mid-term elections just six months away, the politicians representing the rising Evangelist Christian movement against Muslims had to oblige their voters. For them, their own political future was more important than the international policies of their president...


-- DRG --...
;>P

516 W-lover  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:46:36am

AI-

Women do far worse to snag a man every day then going on reality TV.

517 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:47:31am

#510 Mike C.


He played "Red" Adair, who was a legendary oil well firefighter, not an oil man per se.

How about JR Ewing? Oil man?

;)

518 spanishpete  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:47:46am

how long before these people start going nuts in a supermarket with a knife or gun,
now ones done it others will follow.
a strong man with a knife could kill about 20 people before being overpowered.
its a scary thought.

519 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:48:03am

# 504 3 wood

In fact I often tell my Econ students that the key to understanding economics is no more complicated than being able to perceive obvious reality before your eyes.


In my experience, such ability is rare as hen's teeth. And you won't have to spend much time proving my opinion.

520 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:48:11am

Mike
Sounds like it has taken you around the world and you've seen some interesting stuff.

521 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:48:26am
It's a wonder that Oil Companies stay in business at all, they suffer so...


I can't think of any other American business where about half of all workers were laid off in the last decade that got so little sympathy.


They close a vacuum cleaner plant in Iowa because they can build them cheaper in another country, huge news, several million American oilfield workers get laid off, like they did as recentlya s 1998, no mention of it.

522 W-lover  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:48:37am

{PK}-

I liked Paris & that rocker guy- but then again I like good rock-n-roll singers. Paris was the best last night, IMO.

523 mama winger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:49:34am

Mike C. -

Jed Clampett was an oil man. Are you like that?

/ ducks and runs

524 saywhat?  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:49:36am

417 dustyroadguy


I checked the UNC website and their current issue of The University Gazette is identifying it as "Pit Incident" (left column headed 'top stories').

525 Sean II  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:49:52am
526 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:49:57am
527 W-lover  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:49:58am
how long before these people start going nuts in a supermarket with a knife or gun

After all, they sell pork products.

528 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:51:02am

# 507 Peacekeeper

Exactly. That's why I'm still hoarding my stock certificates for Gulf, Cities Service, Pennzoil, etc., etc.

529 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:51:19am

3wood,

You'll get a kick out of this.

I was listening to the local Houston sports idiots on the way into work today. They claimed that the Dante Culpepper trade vaults Miami to an elite team in the AFC. They also claimed that Culpepper's problems last season were related to a lack of an offensive line and the lack of a primary receiver. They reason that if you remedy those deficiencies Culpepper becomes "one of the top five QB's in the NFL".

Stunningly they also blamed the Vikings organization for "overreacting" to Culpepper's off the field problems.

I guess some guys can do no wrong.

530 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:52:10am
531 bonz  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:52:17am

#514 mama winger
I used to go to old Comiskey 15-20 times a year. Have been to the new park twice. It's the worst park in baseball. Strange because the same outfit that built Camden Yards built the mess on the South Side

532 hiker  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:54:00am

#107 Michael in MI

Your comments are spot on.

533 mama winger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:54:18am

#531 bonz

Yes, I have zero interest in going there. However, I would sit at Wrigley any day of the week.

534 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:54:36am

#514 mama winger

When the Sox made the series, I was happy for them, and clapped politely. Us Cubs fans are nothing if not classy.

Exactly the same here! My husband and I watched the Series and we were cheering for the players, they played some great ball for Chicago.

Contrast that with sitting in the temple of Wrigley Field. Well, no comparison.

True that!
And my first games at Wrigley were with my Grandmother and Grandfather! Sweet memories...

535 W-lover  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:56:29am
They claimed that the Dante Culpepper trade vaults Miami to an elite team in the AFC.

As a Minnesotan, I'll tell you these guys are on crack if they honestly believe this.

They also claimed that Culpepper's problems last season were related to a lack of an offensive line and the lack of a primary receiver

But somehow our offesive line could do the trick for Brad Johnson? I'll give them the receiver part. Daunte couldn't read a defense that wasn't covering Randy Moss.

Stunningly they also blamed the Vikings organization for "overreacting" to Culpepper's off the field problems.

Hardly. The Vikes didn't even have a code of conduct until after the incident.

536 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:56:57am

518,

All the more reason to have concealed carry permits.

Americans showed great restraint after 9/11. When/if these incidents become more frequent, or if a homicide bomber detonates somewhere, there will be a massive backlash, and the folks from CAIR better get their passports ready.

537 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:57:20am

# 517 ChicagoBlue

In the classical, fictional sense, yes. Ran an E&P company, etc. I dabbled in that myself, once upon a time. Didn't lose money, but didn't make much, either. Oil was $ 14/bbl back then, so margins were razor-thin. It was great fun, but didn't pay the bills, and that's when I hauled my buns over to the ME.

538 Geepers  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:57:48am

Can't wait for hiker to get down to the part where Josiah Stevenson tells us he's a 15-year-old.

539 W-lover  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:57:58am

AI-

I love being a woman, but there are days when the conduct of other women makes it hard- you know?

540 hiker  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:59:24am

#126 Bubble Girl

"This is going to sound awful.. but people from other countries need to stop running away and take a stand and make their own country a decent place to live."

That's what a true citizen and patriot of that country would do. I kow that if the U.S. really started going down the tubes, I wouldn't leave, but I'd stay and fight to save my country, in any way that was necessary.

541 mama winger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:59:39am

#534 Chicago Blue

Yes , sweet memories, and bittersweet as well. My brother was retarded, and died at the early age of 29. He was absolutely fanatic about the Cubs. Knew every stat on every player. Amazing, for his mental ability. My dad had season tickets at the time, and my brother would get on the bus from his group home and go to Wrigley. (sometimes when he wasn't supposed to ! ha!)

Anyway, when he passed away, we buried him in his Cubs shirt, Cubs suspenders, and Cubs hat. He would have like that.

542 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 3:59:50am

# 521 Ed

Now you know that ain't gonna float, not even here. Oil companies are evil, period. Don't disturb the ignorant with facts. There's no money in it.

543 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:00:25am

Mike C.- Going back to the old debate, where someone who claims to be an accountant had 'proof' of oil company collusion and price fixing based on an earning statement, I think a 3x5" index card is way more paper than she needs.

544 3 wood  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:00:55am

#510 Mikey

Save your breath.


#514 Mama

I've had bad experiences at Wrigley Field too.

The bottom line is, you will never have a winner at Wrigley as long as their fans blindly support a loser. The Cubs make money hand over fist with a poor quality product, so they have no incentive to upgrade as long as that is the case. A team that wants to win would have been out there upgrading their pitching staff in the off season with Woods and Prior so doubtful. The Cubs did nothing. The Sox at least tried to upgrade.

Say what you want about the White Sox, at least they won a Championship.

545 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:02:03am

Dirk Digglers problem is that he listens to 610AM, when he could be lsitening to Mike and Mike In the Morning on ESPN Radio AM-790

546 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:03:09am

If only they could invent an engine that runs on something less evil, like tobacco or baby seals. Sigh.

But people like you Mike, you'd suppress it just like you guys suppressed the water to gasoline pill that guy invented in 1973...

Oh yeah, we're on to you.

547 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:03:13am

#524 saywhat? 3/15/2006 05:49AM PST

not suprising, however UNC citizen jury pool, courts, or the general public of North Carolina by a long shot...
thanks for the link
-- DRG --...
;>P

548 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:03:33am

# 520 Peacekeeper

Now that's a fact. And when you actually get to do the real technical stuff, it's fascinating. But way back in the Paleozoic when I went to school, I somehow never dreamed that so much of my working life would be spent in meetings and preparing Powerpoint presentations. Okay, okay - there was no such thing as Powerpoint back then, but you know what I mean.

549 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:03:38am

#537 Mike C.

Ran an E&P company, etc. I dabbled in that myself, once upon a time.

Dang Mike, you never cease to amaze!
Especially all your travels to places far away and truly foreign.

I need to get away more...

550 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:03:43am
551 mama winger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:03:44am

#544 3 wood

Say what you want about the White Sox, at least they won a Championship

.

Yes, they did, and that was a good thing for Chicago. On the other hand, if the Cubs ever actually won, my whole mental and emotional balance would be thrown into such disarray, I might not ever recover. :)

(What you say about filling the stands no matter what is true. )

552 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:04:58am
553 DIrk Diggler  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:05:03am
As a Minnesotan, I'll tell you these guys are on crack if they honestly believe this.

I suspect as much. These guys think the Texans should take Vince Young with the first overall pick.

554 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:05:21am

I'm no Daunte Culpepper fan, but before eveyone buries the guy, check out his stats from the 2004 season.

Sure, he'll have lost some mobility with the knee surgeries. But he's 29 years old, will be playing for a premier coach (something he never had in Minnesota), will have Mike Mularkey as his OC, and oh, that Chris Chambers is a pretty damn good receiver. With Ronnie Brown in the backfield, he'll also have a better RB than he ever did in Minnesota.

Playing in his home state may re-energize him, and he no doubt will be focused in order to salvage his career.

If I'm the Fish and he pans out, it's a steal for a second-round pick.

555 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:06:08am

It is good for the Cubs and Chicago to lose.


The Red Sox won a Series, and all their charm is gone. They are now like the Minnesota Twins, a team nobody but the locals care about.

556 DIRK DIGGLER  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:06:52am

Made it, ma! ALL CAPS!

557 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:07:17am

# 526 AI

Sigh. Okay, let's have it out. I have just one intitial question for you. What do you think is a reasonable percentage of profit for a company to make ? I mean an upper limit, on a percentage basis, before you feel that they are gouging or whatever ? Just give me a number or a range.

558 3 wood  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:07:47am

#529 dirk

They reason that if you remedy those deficiencies Culpepper becomes "one of the top five QB's in the NFL".

Then Brad Johnson must be the greatest QB ever cause he won with the same crew. I predict a very early draft pick for Miami next year.

559 W-lover  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:08:51am

Dirk-

I think Brad Johnson's record last season is proof that our Offensive Line WASN'T the problem. Somehow we consistantly were winning (or close) once Daunt was out.

560 mama winger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:09:01am

#555 Ed

It is good for the Cubs and Chicago to lose.

No problem there! :)

561 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:09:24am

Ai
Owwee!
Look, all I know is that when gas goes up, it's bad and thus somebody has to be blamed. Unless of course it's the Government of Vermont wanting to raise an extra 16 cents a gallon more in taxes. When politicians piggyback on oil it's statesmanship, not gauging.

562 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:10:09am

gouging. Beijing, whatever.

563 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:10:59am

# 538 Geepers

That little fact didn't seem to faze 'rayra' one little bit. Kept on clubbing him like a baby seal. I thought the kid handled himself pretty damned well for a 15 year-old.

564 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:11:34am

#541 mama winger ~

Oh, that is bittersweet indeed.
And so sorry about your loss.

565 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:11:36am

Must be nice to be big agribusiness, like Archer Daniels Midland, where the farm state congress-people ensure that they always get subsidies up the wazoo, and are always protected from financial loss.

Anybody know how ADM's ratio's compare to Big Oil?

566 mama winger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:12:36am

Looks like they let the suckers go:

Abbas Calls Raid an 'Unforgivable Crime'

By KARIN LAUB, Associated Press Writer 28 minutes ago

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Palestinian militants on Wednesday released the last four foreigners they had seized a day earlier to protest an Israeli military raid on a
West Bank prison. Meanwhile, Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas called the raid an "unforgivable crime."


Palestinian security officials escorted the four hostages — a South Korean journalist, two French citizens and a Canadian — into the headquarters of the Palestinian preventive security agency in Gaza City. Security officials had worked through the night to secure their release.

567 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:14:32am

Barack to the Future? Maureen Dowd Kisses Off Hillary, Yearns for Obama
Editor & Publisher -By E&P Staff
Published: March 14, 2006 11:00 PM ET

NEW YORK It's only 2005, and New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd has already written off Hillary Clinton in the 2008 presidential race. It may be true, she warns, that Democrats "are racing like lemmings toward a race where, as one moaned, 'John McCain will dribble Hillary Clinton's head down the court like a basketball.'"

Who does she yearn for? Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois. At 44, Obama, she points out, is already a year older than John F. Kennedy when he became president.

"The weak and pathetic Democrats seem to move inexorably toward candidates who turn a lot of people off," she advises. "They should find someone captivating with an intensely American success story... and shape the campaign around that leader...

"The Democrats should not dismiss a politically less experienced but personally more charismatic prospect as 'an empty vessel.' Maybe an empty vessel can fill the room."

She adds that it may be true "that Americans, as one Democrat told me, 'will never elect a guy as president who has a name like a Middle East terrorist.'" But the Democrats, she says, do not "stand for anything" and they have "no champion at a time when people are hungry for an exciting leader, when the party should be roaring and soaring against the Bushies' power-mad stumbles...


BWAHAhahahahaha !...
-- DRG --...
;>P

568 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:14:38am
569 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:14:44am

Gotta go do stuff. Later guys.

570 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:15:20am

#539 W-lover ~

Good Morning =)

I love being a woman, but there are days when the conduct of other women makes it hard- you know?

Oh yeah, women give us women a bad name! LOL

571 mama winger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:16:14am

#564 Chicago Blue

Thanks. It's been several years now, but we still miss him. We usually try to go to Wrigley Field as a family on his birthday, and toast him there. It's a always a good day.

572 3 wood  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:16:16am

#555 Ed

It is good for the Cubs and Chicago to lose.

That, the Cubs can do quite well.

573 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:16:52am

#479 JammieWearingFool

The "no" votes, according to Rall, are "mostly from people who worry that what she said is protected free expression."

Now that's funny! And the votes were running 3:1 for suing her? Yeah, they really love free speech! (For the left only).

574 mama winger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:17:38am

Take it easy, Peacekeeper.

575 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:17:58am

# 543 Ed

Yup

# 544 3 wood

I can't help myself.

# 546 Peacekeeper

You kidding ? I'm the guy that invented that ! I fill The Mighty Geo with the garden hose !

# 549 ChicagoBlue

Er, after a while, it ain't all that fabulous. It's just going to work. The business end of a workstation looks remarkably the same no matter where the workstation is located.

576 haakondahl  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:18:19am

ASK THE ANSWERMAN:

Dear Answerman,
I saw this article at mywaynews.com, and wondered what can be done to ensure that this mess gets cleaned up:

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Negotiations between the developer of the World Trade Center site and New York officials broke off on Wednesday after the sides missed a deadline to resolve who would construct which buildings at Ground Zero.

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey owns the site where the Twin Towers were attacked and destroyed on September 11, 2001. Real estate developer Larry Silverstein of Silverstein Properties holds a 99-year lease that was signed two months before the attacks.

Can't we get something done about this problem? This is quickly becoming a national embarassment.

Signed,

Frustrated in Fargo
---
Dear Frustrated,
This one is easy. Per Susette Kelo, et al. v. City of New London, et al. (AKA Kelo v. New London), all the City of New York needs to do is condemn the property as an eyesore and cite its continuing legal troubles and lack of development as impediments to the economic development of the most valuable real estate in America. Then the city may seize the land and dispose of it in any way it sees fit, as anything would be more productive than its current fallow state.
Thank you for writing to the AnswerMan!

577 mama winger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:19:45am

#568 AI

I don't know much (anything) about the workings of the oil industry, but I do know here in Wisconsin it is the gas taxes the state adds on that really kill us.

578 Geepers  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:19:45am

Mike C. (#563),

I thought the kid handled himself pretty damned well for a 15 year-old.

Agreed.

Basically straight forward, but he got off on the wrong foot with the 'I hire Mexicans' - 'well OK my family hires them, but it's the same thing' issue.

We'll see.

579 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:20:01am

3 wood,

I think Miami will contend for a playoff spot this year. They finished strong, are far better than the NYJ and Buffalo, and I happen to believe Nick Saban is a great coach, coming out of the Belichick tree and with his bloodlines.

They also get Tennessee, Minnesota and Green Bay at home and Detroit and Houston on the road outside of their division games.

With NFL parity, every year several teams emerge from the dregs to win division (see the 2005 Bears and NYG and 2004 Chargers). No reason Miami can't contend. And they dumped Gus Frerotte, which is always a plus.

580 W-lover  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:21:07am

JWF-

Re: Daunte-

That's a mighty big "IF" IMHO.

581 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:22:14am

Good morning and happy hump day to all!

{Dubs}
{[{m}]}

582 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:24:42am

# 578 Geepers

Oh, I didn't mean I agreed with any of his points, or even with his methodolgy of presenting them. Lots of anecdotal evidence when it wasn't appropriate, etc. But as to his overall demeanor and conduct, well, some vastly older regulars could take lessons. Pretty good for 15, I say.

Hey AI, have you come up with that upper limit on percentage profit yet ? I'm waiting !

583 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:27:17am

#581 Minnesota Ronin

Good morning {[{Ronin}]}!

Still stuck with all the white stuffs or do you see a light at the end of the tunnel?

:D

584 Geepers  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:27:55am

Mike C. (#557),

# 526 AI

Sigh. Okay, let's have it out. I have just one intitial question for you. What do you think is a reasonable percentage of profit for a company to make ? I mean an upper limit, on a percentage basis, before you feel that they are gouging or whatever ? Just give me a number or a range.

Good luck.

585 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:28:23am

High schools restricting military recruiters
As services push to meet enlistment goals, schools limit access at parents' request
Anne Ryman -The Arizona Republic
Mar. 15, 2006 12:00 AM

High schools, long a key target for military recruiters, are placing more limits on recruiters' access to students because of parents' complaints.

A growing number of schools throughout the country have set limits over the past year, including two of Arizona's biggest school districts. The changes come after parents complained that recruiters were overzealous or were on campus too often.

In Arizona, the Tucson and Sunnyside unified school districts limited each military branch to one visit per month. Paradise Valley Unified School District in the Valley is moving to confine recruiters to the counseling office; they used to roam the campuses almost freely, talking to students...


-- DRG --...
;>P

586 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:28:39am

#579 JammieWearingFool

I think that Miami can do well if they can mesh well in preseason. They certainly have the running game to punish teams if they can get an air game going...

I think my two teams to watch out for this year are Washington and Arizona.

With Washington now having Brandon Lloyd and Randle El to add to Santana Moss, Clinton Portis is going to have a field day and they will play action teams to death.

Same for Arizona. Boldin and Fitzgerald are a dangerous duo as it is, but you add the Edge to their backfield and put them inside a dome... Watch out.

587 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:29:47am

m

Still stuck with all the white stuffs or do you see a light at the end of the tunnel?

Last I heard we were getting 4-8 more inches tonight...

588 hiker  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:30:42am

#538 Geepers

"Can't wait for hiker to get down to the part where Josiah Stevenson tells us he's a 15-year-old."

Ha ha! I finally got to the point where, about one-third down the posts, I just accepted the fact that J.S. was, indeed, a young kid, especially after he took the "sophomore" comment to mean sophomore in high school. At that point, I just sighed and gave up.

589 Geepers  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:31:03am

Mike C. (#557),

But as to his overall demeanor and conduct, well, some vastly older regulars could take lessons. Pretty good for 15, I say.

Definitely.

590 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:32:11am
I think my two teams to watch out for this year are Washington and Arizona.

Washington yes, Arizona no. You're right they're loaded with offensive talent, but Dennis Green is a lousy coach.

591 Texas Heathen  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:32:17am

Ronin
I just went back and checked the end of yesterdays DDT and then checked your football. You have close to 3400 posts in less time(3mo's) than I have 530.
That just amazes me. Do you stay up half the night on LGF or just post in the day.

592 Miss Trixie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:32:54am

♪ Good morning {LGF}! ♪

grayp, mama winger

Good morning everyone. Has anyone heard an update on how Miss Trixie's yorkie is doing?

The vet's assistant called me at the last moment with a cancellation so I was able to get her in late in the afternoon.

He examined her, gave me some anti-imflammatory drops with instructions to keep her quiet and rested for the next few days, and if she shows no signs of improvement, then another course must be taken.

These are:

1. Xrays to determine if:

a) the original surgery has been compromised and must be re-done

b) the ligament attached to her little knee has torn and another surgery is required.

2. I get another dog. (My ex wants to put Miss Trixie down and I almost killed him). This option is not on the table.

So that's where I'm at. No matter which way I look at it, it's going to cost me some serious $$$ because her insurance won't cover a pre-existing condition.

*sigh*

593 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:33:26am

# 584 Geepers

Seems the fish ain't biting today. Perhaps they have learned to fear the obvious hook.

594 3 wood  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:34:23am

#575 Mikey

What was it you said about talking to the fundamentally stupid?

#579 Jammie

I respect your judgement so lets see what happens. The book on Culpepper is if you blitz and drill him early he throws it up for grabs the rest of the game. He also is a club house cancer. Nothing is his fault. But maybe he will work out for Miami. Notice though, nobody who played him every season was interested in his services.

595 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:35:28am
596 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:35:50am
597 mama winger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:35:53am

#592 Miss Trixie

Yikes. Has she shown signs of improvement at all?

598 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:36:51am

# 594 3 wood

That's not very nice. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

599 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:37:16am

Dang Jammiewearer- Now I'm going to be pissed off all day.

How dare someone call Ted Rall a traitor!

He would never just make stuff up.

He is the perfect picture of patriotism.

/sarc- definitely.

600 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:37:22am
601 bweep  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:37:43am

#42 Iron Fist
I figure if I can let that go, there ain't many people can say much of nothing to me about their historical grievances.
Most of their grievences, both historical and modern are results of their own actions. That or they are simply imagined.

Besides which, I thought everything was the will of God?

602 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:38:55am

re: WTC rebuilding,

I'm working on a blogging piece as I write. Trying to condemn the property via eminent domain would only lengthen the time in which the site is rebuilt. Silverstein would fight it tooth and nail, and frankly, it's not the developer's fault, but the Governor and Port Authority's fault. Silverstein is the only one who has actually rebuilt any permanent structures at the site.

The memorial construction is underway, though the funding isn't assured either (and there may be lawsuits pending there as well).

If you want to direct your ire at anyone, direct it at Gov. Pataki (who deludes himself into believing that he has a chance in hell of being president).

603 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:38:58am

Texas Heathen

Nope. Monday through Friday. 8:30-5:00.

604 mama winger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:39:06am

Wow - I've never had a problem with posting more than one line here. Is that something new?

605 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:39:28am

#592 Miss Trixie

Oh {Miss Trixie}! (both of you!)

606 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:40:04am

RE # 596 AI

That's okay - all I need is a two-digit number.

Would a "Praise Jesus !" from an atheist be out of place here ?

That's a joke, folks.

607 Geepers  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:41:17am

How many lines does it take to post a percentage range?

Let's see:

0-15%

One.

608 jpsfudimo  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:41:55am

Good morning Folks:

I was watching the discussion on oil prices and I have to side with the oil companies.

as Mike C and 3 wood were pointing out. It is all about profit margins and the cost of doing business. As a former gasoline retailer I understand what Mike C and 3 wood are talking about.

For some people a graphic example works better

The next time you go to the bank or buy some bottled water maybe you should call them the evil ones.

609 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:43:06am
610 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:43:50am
611 3 wood  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:44:35am

#606 Mikey

I'm thinking that computer connection won't improve until after you sign off for the night, for some reason.

612 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:44:42am

Good morning {Miss Trixie}

613 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:44:45am

Mike C. (#557)

# 526 AI

Sigh. Okay, let's have it out. I have just one intitial question for you. What do you think is a reasonable percentage of profit for a company to make ? I mean an upper limit, on a percentage basis, before you feel that they are gouging or whatever ? Just give me a number or a range

you would find an more coherent answer here
-- DRG --...
;>P

614 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:45:10am

G'day from Down Under

#489 ChicagoBlue - yes it's Thursday!

Big day here yesterday - last night the Commonwealth Games were opened in Melbourne by the Queen - lovely opening ceremony

And North America is represented here - the Canadians are here - the athletes came out in red trackies and red shoes with a white maple leaf on the front

And Dr Condi Rice came to town

615 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:45:40am
616 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:46:59am

# 610 AI

Why don't you stop dodging and answer my very simple question. What percentage profit is too much ? If you can't answer that simple question, then there's not a whole lot of thought underlying your position, now is there ?

617 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:47:29am

609

AI


You're not really an accountant, are you?


You do understand that big companies that do big business will have big revenues? Have you tried comapring profits to revenues?


If you really hate free enterprise so much, why don't you move back to Europe. I know it would be tough for a woman pushing 40 to finally move out of mom's house, but maybe its time to make the move.

618 USMC RECON  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:47:35am

Good Morning Troop !
Isee we have the usual love and tenderness thing going on.

619 saywhat?  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:48:05am

#547 DustyRoadGuy

not suprising, however UNC ≠ citizen jury pool. . .



Ann's #400 post linked to local stories with a survey
which confirms 73% of 5866 voters agree this was an act of terrorism.

:D

620 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:48:46am

# 611 3 wood

Heh.

621 Geepers  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:48:47am

jpsfudimo (#608),

Morning jpsfudimo.

Nice link, but have you ever seen a movie with an "oil man" in it?!?!?!

622 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:49:07am

Good morning {aussie}

623 BingoBunny  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:49:23am

This permission the Koran gives it's followers to kill non belivers is the root of all Islamic terror.. it destroyed Christian nations in Egypt Syria Lebanon Turkey and across the whole of North Africa deep into Europe.. and now they have the balls to want parts of Spain back because after hundreds of years of having those lands under their conquest.. Christians fought back and drove the invaders out.. I'm thinking Christians need to start getting more of their lands back.. not letting the Islamics restore their invasion sites. Israel should bulldoze the top of the Temple mount and rebuild their Holy site.. not allow filth like Islamic sucide bombers have a holy site on Jewish land.. Christians should do the same.

624 Terp Mole  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:50:46am
rayra: On to Yale!

Today, Michelle Malkin spotlights the growing Nail Yale campaign.

625 mama winger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:50:47am

Dumb question time:

Since when do we put limits on profits in America?

626 USMC RECON  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:50:55am

#621 Geepers
Does The Godfather count as a movie with an oilman in it?

627 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:51:47am
628 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:52:32am

617 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

It could be worse. Yesterday we had someone saying that increasing supply increases price. Even without any formal education in economics, some things should just be intuitively obvious. I don't know what it is about economics that confuses so many people.

629 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:52:35am

Per Lileks: Apparently the name "Saddam Hussein" is roughly equivalent to "Action Jackson".

So the moonbats now have another reason to cry about the war--it's blaxploitation, baby!

630 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:53:12am

# 625 m w

Might want to put that question directly to AI, although she seems to be a bit reluctant to give us any hard data as to what the actual limits should be.

631 3 wood  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:53:43am

#608 jpsfidimo

Great link. Thanks.

632 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:53:48am

And this is it for legal action against the newspaper in Denmark that first published those cartoons

Now I suppose the clerics will take it the EU courts and drag it out for a few more years

633 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:54:04am

621 Geepers

"Dallas" wasn't a movie, but it sure had one bad "oilman" in it...

634 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:54:05am

#576 haakondahl:

The Battle for Ground Zero, Part 105 is now up.

635 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:54:20am

3 wood,

Sure, Culpepper has his vulnerabilities, but I think Miami is a a team on the rise, and if Culpepper wants to salvage his carer, he'll shut up and listen to Saban, a no-nonsense guy. Culpepper was able to get away with his shenanigans in Minnesota because they had zero leadership.

I'll reiterate for anyone reading: I'm neither a Culpepper or Dolphin fan. Just the way I see it.

Now someone said Arizona will be a contender. They were a trendy pick last year as well. How did that work out?

Sure, there's talent there, but I believe Edgerrin James, while a solid runner, benefitted greatly from the Indy offense, whereas he'll struggle in Arizona. I just don't think he has the desire and went there for the money.

Dennis Green, IMHO, is a horrible coach.

My NYG have apparently backed off Lavar Arrington but are completely revamping their secondary, having added Sam Madison and R. W. McQuarters, among others. It is my assumption they'll be bolstering the LB corps perhaps via free agency and definitely in the draft.

The Brees and Culpepper moves have opened the door for the NY Jets or perhaps another team to move up to No. 2 and get Matt Leinart. I have to think if Vince Young doesn't go 3 or 4 he'll fall to Oakland at No. 7, since GB and SF picked QB's last year.

OK, enough football. It's time for the NCAA's!

636 grayp  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:55:22am

#592 Miss Trixie

First of all kill the ex just on general principles.

Second, you didn't say what class of anti-imflammatory meds your girl is taking, but FWIW the vet put Molly the Beagle on steroids once. Never. Again. I pulled her off them - her personality changed radically from a cheerful, ornery little brat to seriously depressed.

I've posted my email. Shoot me a line or two if you like - we'll dish.

637 bweep  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:57:00am
638 jpsfudimo  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:57:09am
639 3 wood  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:57:22am

#628 Earth2moonbat

I don't know what it is about economics that confuses so many people.

They can't handle reality.

640 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:58:10am

#622 Minn Ronin

Hi there - is it earmuff weather, shorts and hoodie weather or budgy smuggler weather there ? :-)

641 bweep  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:58:53am

Does John Wayne in 'Hellfighters' count?

642 perlster  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:59:45am

I'm glad to see that the "Bold" option has been fixed - it now does absolutely nothing. BTW, when did Kos start programming this site, or vice versa? The Kidz' komments are now invisible.

643 Miss Trixie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:59:46am

{m} - thank you.

{mama winger}

Yikes. Has she shown signs of improvement at all?

Thank you so much for asking. She shows her normal good spirits and cheerfulness and she eats what I give. She uses her litter box as usual but she's still limping.

After a night of rest she walks on the gimped leg but after a few minutes lifts it and won't put any pressure on it. I'm not sure if there is any improvement yet as she had her first drops last night with her dinner. I will have to monitor her closely.

BTW since you are a vet professional, can you tell me why my vet recommends 12 drops of the anti-imflamatory med, then 6 after 24 hours and then another 6 drops 24 more hours later?

644 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 4:59:58am

Good Morning Lizards! Lesson for today:

If you cook pot roast and scrape your plates into the garbage, be sure to take-out the garbage before you take your child to school.

I have three dogs.

Weather in the Very Far Western (but not quite Iowa) Suburbs of Chicago is bright and sunny. Wind is brisk.

645 bweep  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:00:57am

Didn't a Texas oilman give Charles Bronson his pistol in Deathwish?

646 Mike C.  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:01:49am

# 627 AI

Well, seems you can neither conprehend nor answer a simple question. FYI, Exxon-Mobil, shattering the US record for total (undiscounted) profits last year, had profits of roughly 12 % that's not even remotely close to a record for a record percentage profit. When you are investing your own money, do you simply look at the $ returned and ignore the $ invested ? Or do you look at the % return ? There is a reason why oil stocks have low P-E ratios, you know. Or, I guess, you don't know. Perhaps you can arrange state control of profitable industries for us, eh ? That has certainly worked out well in other places. Not.

Well, since I'm drilling a dry hole here, bed looks better than beating my head against the proverbial brick wall. Later,...

Mike C. out

647 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:02:23am

bweep,

Didn't a Texas oilman give Charles Bronson his pistol in Deathwish?

That was an Arizona real estate developer.

648 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:02:30am

aussie

It's earmuff weather, even though I don't wear them. ;)

So we just got done taking about 10 inches of snow in one night the other day, and the word now is that we're gonna get another 4-8 inches tonight...

God I gotta move.

649 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:02:59am

Bold

650 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:03:06am

BIG MIKE C. IS RIPPING US OFF!

651 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:03:46am

Bold

Strong

Strong & Bold

652 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:04:24am

What is the difference between "strong" and "bold", HTML-cally speaking?

653 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:04:26am

#646 Mike C.

Well, since I'm drilling a dry hole here, bed looks better than beating my head against the proverbial brick wall.

Are you insinuating that AI is like a brick wall?

654 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:05:06am

Have a good night Mike C.

655 insomniac  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:05:47am
“Allah gives permission in the Koran for the followers of Allah to attack those who have waged war against them...

Allah also gives permission for Muslims to attack and terrorize unbelievers who refuse to convert and pay the jizyah tax. We don't have to attack Muslims in order for us to be targets of their terrorists ways...we incur their wrath by choosing to remain non-Muslims.

Surah9:29-Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

656 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:06:01am
657 Terp Mole  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:06:18am

Looks like we just dodged 421 bullets;

Officials foil al Qaeda Green Zone plot

Security officials foiled a plot that would have put hundreds of al Qaeda terrorists at guard posts around Baghdad's Green Zone, home to the U.S. and other foreign embassies as well as the Iraqi government, the interior minister said yesterday.

A senior Defense Ministry official confirmed the plot and said 421 al Qaeda men had been recruited to storm the U.S. and British embassies and take hostages. Several ranking Defense Ministry officials have been jailed in the plot, the official said on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information.

That's a nauseating development.

658 wargammer2005  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:06:40am

Josiah Stevenson

the only crime the people you talk about was not following the LAW to come here as other do, also you are breaking the law.

so having a secure border is facism?
so is guess keeping our boarders as mexico keeps it's south border is out?

we want hardworking people to come here, we do NOT want, at least i do not want, people that feel they are owed something, that come here for welfare, free med care, to commit crimes.

there a legal ways to come here, ways that need to be made easier, faster.

659 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:07:25am

#592 Miss trixie

Hi - glad you could get her to the vet, and I hope she settles down with medication and rest

As for the ex - send him the vet bill

660 jpsfudimo  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:07:55am

Some more on price comparisons.

One way to determine if gas is too expensive is to compare it to other products to see how much bang you get for your buck. Sen. Kerry chose to speak in San Diego in part because that city has, according to Reuters, the highest gas prices in the country at $2.12 a gallon. So how does that compare with other consumer products like, say, the source of the Heinz-Kerry fortune: ketchup?
At the big-box retail outlets Sam's Club and Costco, ketchup sells for about $0.04 an ounce or $5.12 a gallon — a little more than twice the price of gas.

But that's not the best comparison. Americans typically don't buy gas in bulk the way they buy foodstuffs at Costco. Ketchup at a retail grocery store is $0.16 an ounce meaning it rings in at an impressive $20.48 a gallon, almost ten times what gas costs.

Gas is also cheaper than orange juice ($6.64 a gallon), Snapple ($10.32 a gallon); olive oil ($51.04 a gallon), eye drops ($995.84 a gallon) and nasal spray ($2,615.28 a gallon) according to figures from the Department of Labor, Consumer Price Index.

Link

661 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:09:02am

Iranian Revolt- blogging the Bonfire of the Ayatollahs

For the last couple of weeks, I have been working with a leading Iranian dissident group in making plans for a series of demonstrations designed to bring down the Iranian regime once and for all.

I have been working with them for many months and last night, on the streets of Iran, our plans were put out on the streets. Perhaps several hundred thousand Iranians openly defied an Islamic decree to celebrate the pre-Islamic fire festival.

The regime declared the demos "haram" (apostacy punishable by death) under Islam. Displaying copies of the Statue of Liberty, masses of people took to the streets in the largest open challenge to the regime's authority in many years.

The regime's designated thug, a fellow right out of the Himmler school of community relations, brought in what are believed to be Lebanese and Syrian goon squads (Hezbollah and Syrian paramilitary are a good bet).

There were many arrests and the regime's response to the defiance was brutal.

There is much more I would like to tell you but, for now, this is all I can report. Bush's comment yesterday implicating Iran in IED attacks against American troops raises would fully justify any and all uses of force against the Iranian regime. For now, the US should finish the nuclear case at the US and then escalate things once the Mullahs refuse to back down (and they will refuse).

The good news is that the leadership of the regime is splintering, the smarter Iranian leaders are very upset with how quickly world opinion has unified against them. Members of the business community are also seeing it is time to distance themselves from a group of leaders that may not be here much longer.

I am off to meetings, all I can do is ask you to contact your reps.

It's payback time for 1979, the Marine Barracks, the Khobar Tower Bombings, 9-11 and the torture murders or Robert Steatham and Col. Higgins.

662 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:11:07am

#585 dustyroadguy --weren't we talking about this this in yesterday's open thread.

Miss Trixie --I was going to say, that on steroids you'll have to take her out more often to pee, but since she uses a litter box --no problem.

The constant need to drink water and go outside is my biggest complaint with steroids.

I have one dog with bad, really bad, allergies. She was a rescue and came to me with no hair on her belly or face. Red scaly skin. Before we figured out what food and shampoo she needed, steroids were the only thing that gave her relief.

It's worst time is the spring. I've learned to shave her belly and bathe her regularly in early spring and she's had two symptom free years.

Good Luck with your baby.

663 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:11:34am

#660 jpsfudimo:

One way to determine if gas is too expensive is to compare it to other products to see how much bang you get for your buck.

The article is cute, but useless. It's like--quite literally--comparing apples and oranges. Comparing the per-gallon price of gas and of nasal spray simply doesn't yield any meaningful information.

664 grayp  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:12:09am

#661 AG

For the last couple of weeks, I have been working with a leading Iranian dissident group in making plans for a series of demonstrations designed to bring down the Iranian regime once and for all.

Holy. Shit.

665 mama winger  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:12:47am

#648 M Ronin

we're gonna get another 4-8 inches tonight...

God I gotta move.

Not here. We're getting 5.

666 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:13:21am

Mike C! Come back! Darn, my day off, I stumble in to greet the day and maybe say "hey" to my ol' bud Mikey C over there amongst the commies, and he's stomped off.

667 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:14:42am

mama winger

You're in Wisconsin, right?

Northern or southern?

668 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:14:47am

Ayatollah,

Kol hakavod! And may G-d bless you!

669 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:15:41am

#661 Ayatollah Ghilmeini--

Not quite sure what to say, except good luck and Godspeed.

670 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:16:08am

Ed is being nice to me. I am getting snow tomorrow. I'll be able to breathe thru my nose again.

671 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:16:16am

656-

AI, I know you live at home with mommy, and since you seem to have all the time in the world to post during the workday, I suspect you are lying about being an accountant. Too bad they don't give intelligence tests to the children of immigrants, you are far too stupid to be in the US.


Again, you brain dead cow, oil companies have been making big profits lately because commodity prices have been high. They spend a lot of big money to make the big profits, and as a precentage of capitalization or of revenue, the profits are not out of line. I know a stupid cud chewing herbivore like yourself thinks nothing of spending a dollar for a pint of mineral water. Guess who has the better margin?


Please, keep posting your links to conservative web sites in the morning, because some of them are interesting, but please don't try to engage in intelligent debate.


For your sake, I'm sorry that POland appears to be going down the capitalist route with free markets and all, but it looks like the once and former Soviet Union is heading for state control of large industry again, and even I'd hope, even for a moron like you, Polish and Russian, as Slavic languages, are similar enough that you could learn to get by.


As an added bonus, the once and future Soviet Union doesn't seem to have the hangups about killing innocent Muslims, including women and children, like they did in Chechnya, to go after the small minority engaged in terrorism.

672 haakondahl  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:18:21am

#653 earth2moonbat


Are you insinuating that AI is like a brick wall?

I was worried that he was insinuating he drilled AI! Although the detail I did NOT need.

673 CheezNCrackers  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:18:54am
658 wargammer2005 3/15/2006 07:06AM PST

You know as a legal immigrant who is now a US citizen, JS' arguments are pure bullshit.

It wasn't easy, or free of cost but I put forth the effort and the day I became a citizen was GRAND!

JS should be thrown in jail for hiring illegals, period!

674 mbruce  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:19:27am

Profits? The truth of the matter is that there is no actual cost/profit ratio that sticks for all markets.If you can make something for one cent and the market will bear a selling price of $100 then have at it."Whatever the market will bear" is the only real rule.

675 Texas Heathen  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:19:34am

I see my devil mo has been added to the 'mocons' list.
'mocons site'

]:~{>

676 Geepers  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:19:39am

Ayatollah Ghilmeini (#661),

have been working with them for many months and last night, on the streets of Iran, our plans were put out on the streets. Perhaps several hundred thousand Iranians openly defied an Islamic decree to celebrate the pre-Islamic fire festival.

Excellent! Good at ya.

677 Miss Trixie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:20:06am

peace, keep *TCG*

{ronin, grayp, aussie)

Thanks grayp, will do.

ggt

If you cook pot roast and scrape your plates into the garbage, be sure to take-out the garbage before you take your child to school.

I have three dogs.

LOL! This has never occured to my yorkie. BUT, anything dropped is HERS.

No exception.

678 dustyroadguy  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:21:19am

NEWSFLASH: Crown’s Prosecutor: No indictment against Jyllands-Posten!
Agora -March 15, 2006

This just in. It is indicated on Jyllands-Posten’s website that they will update this story, and I will follow suit when that happens. So far:

Crown’s Prosecutor: No indictment against JP
The Crown’s Prosecutor dismisses all charges against Jyllands-Posten for having published the cartoons of the prophet Muhammed.

Jyllands-Posten is not to be punished for publishing the hotly debated cartoons of the prophet Muhammed, the Crown’s Prosecutor informs. But Freedom of Speech is not without limits and the law doesn’t allow people unlimited debate on religious subjects, the Crown’s Prosecutor makes clear:

“It is thus not a correct description of existing law when the article in Jyllands-Posten states that it is incompatible with the right to freedom of expression to demand special consideration for religious feelings and one has to be ready to put up with “scorn, mockery and ridicule”,” Crown’s Prosecutor Henning Fode writes.


-- DRG --...
;>P

679 Terp Mole  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:21:26am

UNC-Wilmington professor offers a hilarious look @ How to talk to a Muslim extremist

MF: You are Mike Adams? You are Mike Adams?

ME: Yes, give me another sentence. I have to go to class in ten minutes. What can I do for you?

MF: You write the column on the “Queer Muhammad.”

ME: Yes, that’s me. Did you enjoy the “Queer Muhammad”?

MF: No. No. I did not enjoy it...

680 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:22:00am

#664 ggt

Hi - our weather here? Surprise surprise - hot and humid as it's been since late October

And did your dogs enjoy the pot roast? :-)

I have three cats and one is a scavenger no matter how well fed she is (she's not wellbred - straight off the street!)

But she's very neat - bites a little hole in the garbage bag right where the tasty scraps are and doesn't leave a mess - I'm sure she mops the floor too

681 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:22:30am

#632 aussiemagpie

Aussie, do you have an article title? It seems to have been archived on the News.com.au site.

682 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:22:50am

Good Morning All

A quick drive by...I'm on the run, but I thought that this article by Brigitte Gabriel, at Front Page Magazine is a must read.

Leave your thoughts on it...I'll be back later.

683 Josiah Stevenson  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:23:35am

#658 wargammer2005

there a legal ways to come here, ways that need to be made easier, faster.

Thats really all I was trying to say.

684 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:23:42am

Ayatollah Ghilmeini must be a BIG OIL stooge. We know from Syriana that middle eastern governments are little more than appendages of the oil industry and are overthrown when they fall out of favor with their patrons.

685 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:23:51am

IIRC --the entity making the money on gas is the GOVERNMENT.

Which I guess is OK, I mean, why would we want companies to be profitable, stock shares to increase, thousands of people to have jobs and acutally get raises? Why would we want large corporations to have the money to spend on R&D, give research grants and give millions away every year to charity & political campaigns?

Ok that last one was over the top.

Why aren't we complaining about the oil ticks that set the price of crude --while having the benefits of our industry. I mean, they own the land, but do they actually do any of the work to get it out of the ground?

686 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:24:32am

Update 18: Abbas Calls Raid an 'Unforgivable Crime'

In the raid, Israel seized six wanted Palestinians, including the mastermind of the 2001 assassination of Tourism Minister Rehavam Zeeviof. Israel said Wednesday it is determined to try the detainees for the killing.

Palestinian anger over the raid lingered Wednesday as a protest strike was held. Palestinians closed shops across the West Bank and Gaza amid an outburst of anti-Western sentiment. In Gaza, schools opened, but most students left early. Nablus residents observed a general strike.

The raid set off unprecedented Palestinian reprisals against foreigners because U.S. and British wardens, who had supervised the Jericho prisoners under an unusual 2002 arrangement left their posts just before Israeli troops arrived. Gunmen vandalized Western offices and kidnapped 11 foreigners, including an American university professor. All have now been released.

Of course, you have to read down to the bottom to get Israel's take on it:

Israeli officials said that once the monitors left, they were forced to act in light of recent statements by Palestinian officials and Hamas leaders - including incoming Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh - of plans to free the prisoners.

"As soon as Haniyeh said that he is going to free them, why should we give them any time?" Mofaz, the Israeli defense minister, told Army Radio Wednesday. "That's why we acted the way we did."

Hey, they had to get 'em while the getting was good!

687 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:25:31am

Upon reflection it seems to me that one could look at this the other way around. I for one thought that 9/11 signalled the start of a sustained attack on the US homeland.

In fact there have been an infinitesimally small number of attacks like this one, especially given the US level of homicide (15-20,000?) in general.

One could then theorize that this is because the vast majority of US Muslims are not inherently violent (despite their political sympathies) OR that there have been few attacks because the Islamists know that an uprising could result in mass deportation, undermining their cause (though notably, this did not happen in France following the car-burning uprising).

So...

The reality is today that it appears to most people that the threat of terrorist attack in the US ranks below bathtub slip-and-fall as a mortal threat. Is this an illusion? Or are some of us on the right overstating the risk?

688 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:25:35am

OOPS!

Working on it...I done got hijacked

689 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:26:09am

#684 Dirk Diggler:

We know from Syriana

I think we should all take a moment to silently thank George Clooney for his incredible, boundless bravery. He is the greatest hero in American history. Audie Murphy was, like, a complete pussy compared to George Clooney.

690 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:26:34am

Aussie, I guess they did, because they were on to the bone when I came home. No, they are not neat. Came home to coffee grounds all over the kitchen floor and some tracked onto the carpet. Garbage everywhere.

Just thankful there were no dead beers in that bag --I hate when there are.

691 haakondahl  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:27:43am

#652 Ed

Strong. It's the new Bold.

No, really. The older labels such as Italic, Bold, and Reverse are now deprecated (frowned upon by Those Who Frown) in favor of more p;loitically-correct labels such as Emphasis, Strong, and uh something else. The idea is that the code shouldn't tell the browser exactly what to do--what if it is a document which will be included in a collection of other documents, all of which should have the same style? Perhaps if I want to EMPHASIZE something, I would rather have it turn purple and throb than see it merely lean over to the right. I will define EMPHASIS that way in my system, and when I include your document in mine, your stuff will all get formatted according to my local definitions (which default to what we would all expect anyway).
Then came CSS as a better way around this, the whole clusterformat was forgotten, and we were left with a varying number of ways to specify the exact same thing.

Now the EXACT details are a but fuzzy in this story, but that's the heart of the story. Maybe CSS came along hand in hand with the new-style tags, then stabbed them in the back.

692 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:28:06am
693 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:28:07am

Good Morning, my fellow LGFers. Hope you are all well this fine day.

I, too, have three dogs. Dachshunds have to body slam the garbage can in order to knock it over for the pack to enjoy whatever delights have been thrown away. One of my dogs was very ill one day when I came home, near death, in fact. After rushing him to the vet and having upper and lower GI's run, then emergency surgery to clear a blockage that had shown up on x-ray, my vet showed me the bread wrapper the little darling had swallowed. $500 - $700 for that trash picking experience. No, I do not leave the dogs unattended around the trash can any more!

694 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:28:37am
"Whatever the market will bear"

G-d bless you, my son. St. Patty will reward your intelligence very soon.

695 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:29:34am

666 SwampWoman

1. Congrats on the 666.

2. I think the voodoo economics drove him away.

696 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:29:36am

Wassup {redstate}!

697 Josiah Stevenson  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:29:43am
Ha ha! I finally got to the point where, about one-third down the posts, I just accepted the fact that J.S. was, indeed, a young kid, especially after he took the "sophomore" comment to mean sophomore in high school.


and yeah that was mostly a joke. I know what he meant by sophomore, i just thought it was a funny coincidence - being a sophomore in high school. Maybe I should have said Lol after that part or something.

698 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:29:49am
699 grayp  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:29:54am

#682 M. Bensson-Levi

linky no worky

700 Texas Heathen  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:30:18am

679 terp mole

Perhaps that Muslim student needed a little straight talk from Dr. Adams, rather than a diversity program perpetuating the myth of the “religion of peace.” Or perhaps we should end the ban on firearms on UNC campuses in order to prevent another terrorist attack.

Good find. I really like this part. hehheh

701 Beagle  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:30:55am

#687 Pro-Bush Canuck

The reality is today that it appears to most people that the threat of terrorist attack in the US ranks below bathtub slip-and-fall as a mortal threat. Is this an illusion? Or are some of us on the right overstating the risk?


A bathtub slip-n-fall might take out two people. Jihad is a little different if you think about it. By limiting the threat to terrorism you ignore most jihad schemes.

Bathtub safety won't affect your freedom of expression or women's rights.

Bathtub companies haven't been bribed with jihadi money, but the NYT has.

Bathtub makers don't want to take over the world using da'wa, jihad, and scorched earth warfare.

Think.

702 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:31:44am
even for a moron like you, Polish and Russian, as Slavic languages, are similar enough that you could learn to get by.

Yes, but the alphabet is a show-stopper.

703 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:33:03am

#672 haakondahl

I was worried that he was insinuating he drilled AI!

You mean the "dry well" reference?

704 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:33:09am

#701 Beagle,

And besides that, why worry? $7 will by a rubber mat.

705 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:33:20am

#695 earth2moonbat

Didn't know I was 666! Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

Dunno what the big deal is about profits. Profits are good.

706 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:33:37am

buy (sigh)

707 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:33:38am

Morning, {MN Ronin}

It's all good here (so far). No doubt some jerk will come along and ruin my mood! That always happens.

708 Mahmoud Ahmadinejad  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:34:58am

#701 Beagle

Bathtub makers don't want to take over the world using da'wa, jihad, and scorched earth warfare.

My bathtub makers do, or else they stop making bathtubs and fill them instead.

709 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:35:05am

#701 Beagle:

Bathtub makers don't want to take over the world

And even if they tried, they'd face fierce resistance from the French.

710 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:35:28am

#690 ggt

LOL!

Many years ago when I had a dog, we had to put the rubbish outside straight away - no rubbish bin inside was safe from Sam! You've brought back memories now of my lovely Cocker Spaniel

711 Miss Trixie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:36:19am

♪♪ Here comes Ed, Strong & Bold ♪♪

/shameless reference to "Otis & Milo"

:D

aussie

As for the ex - send him the vet bill

LOL!

ggt

Miss Trixie --I was going to say, that on steroids you'll have to take her out more often to pee, but since she uses a litter box --no problem.

She's on Metacam (meloxicam) and has no steroids, thankfully. However, I fear another surgery is definately on the horizon.

I have one dog with bad, really bad, allergies. She was a rescue and came to me with no hair on her belly or face. Red scaly skin. Before we figured out what food and shampoo she needed, steroids were the only thing that gave her relief.

It's worst time is the spring. I've learned to shave her belly and bathe her regularly in early spring and she's had two symptom free years.

Poor thing! What kind of dog is she anyway? Is she better now?

grayp - check your email please.

712 Josiah Stevenson  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:37:46am

#702 Earth2moonbat

even for a moron like you, Polish and Russian, as Slavic languages, are similar enough that you could learn to get by.

Yes, but the alphabet is a show-stopper.

Actually that alphabet isnt bad if you take the time to learn it. (I used to be able to read Russian - I've lost all of it though do to time and Russian's utter uselessness) Its sure easier than the Hebrew or Arabic alphabets, both of which I've been trying to learn for a while...not to mention those impossible east asian languages

713 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:39:38am

I had a $2K vet bill (emergency and regular) because of a dryer sheet. Blocked the opening to the small intestine and caused irritation/bleeding. Eventually the stomach was perforated from infection. Dog went into seizures for lack of oxygen to the brain.

Your dog is seizing --you don't ask what is going to cost.

She got it out of the laundry. I now monitor dryer sheets --the from the dryer to the garbage in the garage.

Dog is going to be 11 in April. My girl.

714 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:39:52am
It's all good here (so far). No doubt some jerk will come along and ruin my mood! That always happens.

If it makes you feel better, it's already happening here today...

715 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:40:23am

#701 Beagle

Think

That's what I'm trying to do. Normally I am 100% on side with the normal reaction on this board. Often I have to restrain myself from posting things that I know I would later regret (who hasn't had fantasies about turning the Middle East into a "glass parking lot"?).

However today I am simply playing a bit of a devil's advocate and asking: what is the risk to each of us in North America really? What are the chances that any of us will be killed by an Islamist?

If they are planning a huge nuclear strike in 10 years then the odds would be quite high. However if the level of attacks stays relatively stable then terrorism is in fact an exceedingly remote threat to the vast majority of the population (albeit an extremely dramatic one, as with serial killers).

I'm not "going soft". However I've never been one to just parrot the same old line.

What is the real risk? Can we ever hope of knowing before it is either too late, or proves to have been largely overblown?

716 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:40:37am

OK ALL

Am trying again...HERE...If it works , great ...if not go to FRONT PAGE MAGAZINE...archives(at bottom of home page)... Feb 20th, 2006...Brigitte Gabriel...WHY THEY HATE.

A VERY REAL MUST READ!

717 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:41:35am

Miss Trixie --I have spaniels. Long ears, big feet, expressive eyes, gigantic hearts . . .

718 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:41:41am

Miss Trixie:
Metacam is a wonder drug! One of my dachshunds was down in her back. After about 3-4 weeks on Metacam she was running around like a pup half her age! Now I only have to give it to her occasionally. Really great stuff.

719 amyc  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:41:47am

689 Occasional reader. lol

720 grayp  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:42:19am

Oh wow, Robert Spencer has a really good article up at Frontpage.

Blakeman introduced me to an official of the Dutch Ministry of Integration, who spends her days in dialogue with Dutch imams and other Muslim leaders. We began a wide-ranging discussion about the nature of the jihad threat and the proper response to it. In the course of this I asked her how many Muslim leaders she encountered who were ready to lay aside attachment to the Sharia, accept the Dutch governmental and societal structure and the parameters of Dutch pluralism, and be willing to live in Dutch society as equals to, not superiors of, non-Muslims indefinitely. She told me that there were only very few, but insisted that we had to work with those few, and indeed had to place our faith and hope in them, for otherwise the future was impossibly bleak. I asked her if she had read the Qur’an. She told me no, she hadn’t, and wouldn’t, because she didn’t want to lose all hope -- and because whatever was in it, she still had to work to find some accord with the Muslim leaders, no matter what.


Fantasies About Jihad

721 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:43:02am

OK! Worky, worky!

Gotta run...READ THIS!

Later all.

722 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:43:30am

#686 m

Palestinian anger over the raid lingered Wednesday as a protest strike was held. Palestinians closed shops across the West Bank and Gaza amid an outburst of anti-Western sentiment. In Gaza, schools opened, but most students left early. Nablus residents observed a general strike.

Cutting off their nose to spite their face? Typical palis.

723 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:44:02am
What is the real risk? Can we ever hope of knowing before it is either too late, or proves to have been largely overblown?

Do you remember 9/11?

724 Peacekeeper  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:44:32am

I want to apologise to you all for stirring up BIG OIL IS RIIPING US OFF! part XVIII.

725 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:44:33am

MN Ronin

If it makes you feel better, it's already happening here today...

I sorry :-(
Don't let the bastids getcha down!

726 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:45:35am

{Troublemaker} er...{Peacekeeper!}

727 Texas Heathen  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:45:51am

711 miss trixie

/shameless reference to "Otis & Milo"

HUH? WHO?

728 Beagle  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:46:03am

#715 Pro-Bush Canuck

That's the problem, calculating the risk.

Rather than spin out hypotheticals and percentages I'd say very high. It goes to the intellectual foundation of modern civilization. Twelve Danish cartoons created spasms of paramilitary-RICO type violence.

Mere 'terrorism' (controversial buzzword) is a dangerously constrained view of the threat.

729 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:46:48am

I'd like to think there is a "magic bullet" answer to all this --wouldn't we all? My question is: Would turning the ME into a "glass parking lot" work, if the enemy is in our midst?

730 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:48:10am

I loved Otis and Milo.

731 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:48:13am

705 SwampWoman

Dunno what the big deal is about profits. Profits are good.

Prophets, OTOH...

732 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:48:40am
Don't let the bastids getcha down!

Trying not to... We have Consultants in the office today trying to make us more "streamline"

*SPIT*

I used to do work like theirs at my old job, at what they are doing here today will not help at all. It will just cost the company money.

But, they don't wanna talk to me, so I ain't gonna help em!

733 bweep  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:48:41am

#687 Pro-Bush Canuck
Or are some of us on the right overstating the risk?
It's a question of balancing risk and consequences. If I put a dollar bill into a machine and tell you that if you want to take the money out, there is a 1 in 1000,000 chance of you hand being sliced off, do you take that chance?

734 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:49:40am

#704 littleoldlady

And besides that, why worry? $7 will by a rubber mat.

Heh.

If we were perfectly rational (which are not, least of all yours truly) we would take precautions against such things since they actually do kill more Americans than terrorism, even when you include 9/11.

All I am saying is that right now, today, the risk of being killed by an Islamist is remote compared with what it could be if all 2 million Muslims decided to wage jihad at once. One sniper sent DC and area into crisis mode. Imagine 10,000 snipers striking at once across the US?

Muslims in the US could in theory strike at the heart of the US and do tremendous damage. The fact is that they have not. So far.

735 amyc  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:50:07am

715 Canuck. The more rational ones are lying low as they know large scale crap like was tolerated in France would lead to mass internment and deportation here. We aren't as fully dhimmified yet. Our response to the supposedly "inexplicable" issues like the UNC jihadi and the little bomb at the OU football game and the lovely "head chaplain" in NYC will determine when others feel more confident making their moves, in my opinion.

736 grayp  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:51:43am

M. Bensson-Levi

Ok, I read it. I too knew a Lebanese Christian woman whose family escaped from Beruit. This was back in the '80s when I (and most other Americans) were fairly clueless. Her name was Claudine. Her father was an OB/GYN. They tried to assassinate him finally. She hated Muslims and tried to tell me but I just didn't get it.

737 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:53:16am

#733 bweep

If I put a dollar bill into a machine and tell you that if you want to take the money out, there is a 1 in 1000,000 chance of you hand being sliced off, do you take that chance?

Absolutely. I accept FAR worse odds every time I get in my car. So do you. So do all of us. 1 in a million are pretty long odds. I'm not sure about $1, but most people would probably take a 1 in a million risk for say, $50. The chances are just too remote to be very concerned about.

738 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:53:31am
Dunno what the big deal is about profits. Profits are good.

To quote Wall Street...greed is good.

Newmelleboy is the reincarnation of Alex P. Keaton. He has been hoarding his allowance, birthday gifts, and gift cards from various stores. What is he saving up for? Playstation, baseball bat, or maybe a new bike? Nah, he is saving it "in case I want to start a business someday".

Perhaps early retirement will be an option after all.

NMM

Oh, sorry. Mornin' LGF!

739 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:54:04am
740 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:55:16am

738 newmelleman

To quote Wall Street...greed is good.

Talking streets, eh? Seen a doctor about this?

741 MTNester  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:55:52am

Good morning, everyone! Ahhh...midweek...hump day...all downhill from here. Ending with a St. Patrick's Day celebration!

742 grayp  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:56:12am

#732 Minnesota

We have Consultants in the office today trying to make us more "streamline"

LOL! I was a software developer for almost 30 years. At my last job, they developed this whole group called Quality Assurance. They were supposed to ensure we had completed all the prescribed steps prior to implementation, blah blah blah. Not one of them could have written a line of code if their worthless lives had depended on it. I used to throw them out of my office on a regular basis. One of my greatest professional achievements was getting one of them fired.

Eunichs at a gang bang.

743 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:56:23am

#735 amyc

The more rational ones are lying low

Frankly that is the view I lean toward. It is very pessimisstic and very depressing. I've seen enough evidence in Canada to lend weight to this argument.

Which is why the relative dearth of attacks since 9/11 is such a paradox. Only two viewpoints really make sense: they are lying in wait, or they are not planning to attack en masse in the first place.

Certainly the President inclines toward the latter view.

744 Miss Trixie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:56:57am

redstateredneck

I, too, have three dogs. Dachshunds have to body slam the garbage can in order to knock it over for the pack to enjoy whatever delights have been thrown away.

Body slam! LOLOLOLOL! Seriously? Have you seen thm do this?

LOLOL!

The image in my head! LOLOL!

745 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:57:27am

there is greed and then there is avarice.

working, saving, wanting to make profits legally is greed and this is good.

embezzling funds from retirement accounts, or writing checks from the city's account to your brother-in-law's shell corporation (today's news item from, where else -Chicago) is avarice--this is bad.

746 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:58:13am
Talking streets, eh? Seen a doctor about this?

LOL

Have you never been to Broadway, or Bourbon? Don't tell me those streets don't talk!

/I meant the movie not the street ;)

NMM

747 Texas Heathen  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:58:27am

738 NMM

He has been hoarding his allowance, birthday gifts, and gift cards from various stores.

I saw a spot on the news where those cards often have time limits on them. The longer you have them the less they are worth. I hope your boy has checked the fine print on those gift cards.

748 haakondahl  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:59:35am

#742 grayp

UNIX at a Wang thang?

749 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 5:59:54am
I, too, have three dogs. Dachshunds have to body slam the garbage can in order to knock it over for the pack to enjoy whatever delights have been thrown away.

I had a beagle who used to do this with the grill--then lick the grate. Took us a while to figure out why the grill was always laying on it's side when whe came home.

750 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:00:14am

AI, again, move to Russia. Your hero Vladimir Putin won't let the evil oil companies get away with those shennanigans.

751 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:00:43am

Ronin

We have Consultants in the office today trying to make us more "streamline"

Never trust the suits.

NMM

752 grayp  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:01:10am

#734 Pro-Bush

Muslims in the US could in theory strike at the heart of the US and do tremendous damage. The fact is that they have not. So far.

May I suggest that the premise of this discussion is a bit narrow? The danger does not come from just physical violence. It is also cultural and political.

The Saudis that moved in next door? He wants his 15 year old son to live with an American family so he gets to understand America.

And where does he go to school?

The Islamic Academy of Northern Virginia.

Bite me.

753 amyc  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:01:16am

724 that's OK peacekeeper. I agree with you, although I am a good capitalist and like heating my house and driving my minivan, and using plastic thingies :-). The thing is, the entitlement mentality is a huge part of the problem with oil as with so many other things in this country. And I mean that in an odd kind of way. See, I hear people like Hannity going to bat for big oil repeating their bleat that they can't build new refineries because environmentalists make it too hard (which means too expensive). But they are raking in billions of dollars in profits. But then they cry that the limits on refining capacity drive up prices and limit what they can do.

Seems to me they are waiting for the government to build them new refineries. If the problem goes on long enough and people get upset enough, the government will do it. So the oil company execs are smart to sit and whine, I guess.

Now, the fact that the companies have to make lots of different fuel formulas or blends in this country is absolute insanity. I think CA is the pickiest state in the nation re: emissions. What I've never heard addressed is why the companies don't just use the CA formula for the whole country. Is it because it's the most expensive to make? Meaning, do they have so many different formulas because the oil companies always want to make the cheapest individual blend they can get away with, even though that drives up end prices because of refinery capacity? Or is it because busybody idiots in every state legislature have to feel smart and important so they each want to design their own special fuel formula?

I think they are playing a huge game and getting away with it. But as long as alternatives are so expensive, we're stuck.

754 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:02:06am

grayp

Eunichs at a gang bang.

That is one of the funniest things I have read in a LOOONG time...

Now I used to be a call center analyst at my old job, and I can tell you the work these people are doing today is pointless.

755 Texas Heathen  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:02:59am

742 grayp

Eunichs at a gang bang.

LOL

and my favorite "Dodgeball" line.
'like a bunch of retards trying to f*** a doorknob'

sorry its non PC.

756 haakondahl  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:03:30am

#743 pro-bush canuck

Which is why the relative dearth of attacks since 9/11 is such a paradox. Only two viewpoints really make sense: they are lying in wait, or they are not planning to attack en masse in the first place.

You forgot the realistic option which is this:

They HAVE been trying their damnedest, and tools like fast & secret wiretaps, in the hands of professionals, have been keeping us safe. No paradox. Just a few hundred thousand government employees doing what they're supposed to.

757 big L  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:04:11am

126-Bubble girl--Yay-- make your home country like the USA instead of turning the USA into the third-world toilet you fled.

758 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:04:17am

Morning {MTNester} & [NMM]

NMM- At a previous employer, I was the suit.

759 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:04:44am

Miss Trixie

Body slam! LOLOLOLOL! Seriously? Have you seen thm do this?


Yes! One is the designated body slammer. She will throw herself against the tall kitchen size waste basket until it overturns; then the feeding frenzy begins.

760 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:04:48am

#747 Texas Heathen

Thanks. Yeah I knew about the expiration (or in some cases 'inactivity charges' which lead to a zero balance in time). Was trying to get that across to him one day but then felt a bit guilty about me not having gotten him some of the things he could use the cards on. 10 year olds have so much more 'stuff' these days than I did back in the 20th century.

NMM

761 USMC RECON  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:05:18am

#734 Pro-Bush Canuck,

The response to a mass terrorist attack in the Us by 10,000 snipers would result in an war in this country between the terrorists and Americans who will not wait for the law enforcement people to take care of it. There are thousands of vets who will rise up. The DC snipers were "successful" because of the PC manner in which it was handled. That method will go away when people feel threatende. The body count will be very high on the side of the "terrorists".

762 Miss Trixie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:05:22am

{redstateredneck}

Metacam is a wonder drug! One of my dachshunds was down in her back. After about 3-4 weeks on Metacam she was running around like a pup half her age! Now I only have to give it to her occasionally. Really great stuff.

Thank you for that - I'm hoping that it does the trick for her.

*crosses fingers*

ggt

"Otis & Milo" is hilarious! I have never laughed so long and hard at anything else since seeing that film!

"HERE COMES THE DOG, BRAVE AND STRONG!"

LOLOLOLOL!


grayp - check your email please.

763 amyc  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:05:53am

736 grayp I had a very similar experience with a former physics professor from, well, somewhere in the former Yugoslavia. He was working as a custodian at the school where I taught Jr. High science.

He said "You Americans just don't understand Muslims. You will. (shaking head sadly) You will."

Haunting

764 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:07:50am

well, Lizards, I have to get clean and go to the bank.

Have a great day!

I will not hit the refresh button, I will NOT hit the refresh button, I WILL NOT hit the refresh button

765 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:07:51am

NMM

Have you never been to Broadway, or Bourbon? Don't tell me those streets don't talk!


Bourbon Street can talk? ? ?
Uh-oh...

766 SevoGuy  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:08:10am

Who are the true believers?

Christians...

Every muslim is a suspect. And to the islamic women I met on the plane several weeks ago: Sorry about the dirty look I gave you. I couldn't help myself. Why you might ask? It's your murderous religion and it's justification for murder; for all the people you kill around the world; for coming to my country and defiling it. Please leave. We will eventually stop socialist welfare and you will not be able to come here anymore. So leave, you and your religion.

Stop Islamic-Terrorism by stopping the Clerics...permanently.

767 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:08:10am

#758 Ronin

I am currently a suit but will always remain a dungaree at heart...helps a lot in being a suit but then most of them don't get that.

NMM

[Ronin]

768 grayp  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:09:15am

#748

UNIX at a Wang thang?

ROTFLMAO!

Oh man, I am sooo stealing that!

#749 ggt

I had a beagle who used to do this with the grill--then lick the grate. Took us a while to figure out why the grill was always laying on it's side when whe came home.

About 4 years ago when I was researching beagles as a breed that might be a good match for us, I ran across a video posted by a beagle owner. Every day when she came home the garbage she kept in the cabinet under the sink would be all over the kitchen floor. So she got one of those sliding baby lock thingys and locked the sucker up.

She had peace for about a week. Garbage all over the kitchen floor again! She mounts a video cam on top of the fridge. This damn dog got up on his hind legs and with his front paws finagled the lock open.

We have friends who had a beagle that somehow kept escaping from a yard with a 7-foot fence. Inspection showed he wasn't digging his way out. They finally caught him in the act. He was rapelling himself up between two trees near the fence and flopping himself over.

Beagles can be evil.

769 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:10:45am

#765 Redstate

Bourbon Street can talk? ? ?
Uh-oh...

Don't worry it can keep a secret.

NMM

770 MTNester  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:10:49am

Good Morning {Ronin}, You know what they say...if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullsh*t! ;-)

771 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:12:04am

NMM

Don't worry it can keep a secret.

Whew! :D

772 Miss Trixie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:13:02am

redstatredneck

Yes! One is the designated body slammer. She will throw herself against the tall kitchen size waste basket until it overturns; then the feeding frenzy begins.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

*wipes eyes*

Such entertainment! You must get that on video!

LOLOLOL!

773 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:14:24am

i hit the refresh button.

Beagles need to hunt. If they can't hunt, they need to work. They make wonderful, wonderful, wonderful friends and family dogs, if the family can keep them occupied.

Never leave a beagle alone unless he is WORN-OUT or crated.

I love Beagles. and labs, and shepherds and danes and rottweilers, and mastiff's and spaniels, and . . .I've even met a poodle I liked .

774 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:15:06am
775 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:15:16am

#738 newmelleman

Aaahhhwww! Alex Keaton was my hero.

{newmelleboy}!

:D

776 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:17:57am

#753 amyc

Seems to me they are waiting for the government to build them new refineries.

For crying out loud, don't be ridiculous! There's nothing of the sort on the horizon. Nobody's asking for that. There is a problem with making the capital investment needed for more refining capacity, and it's not only the capital that's got to be risked building them, but the risk of ownership.

That's the really pernicious thing about environmental regulation, ti's that you may have a piece of capital plant that needs to operate profitably for 20 years to pay back the initial investment, and new off-the-wall regulations can kill the profits and even the plant itself after 5. That's why they're not building more refineries. If you had a spare billion would you put in a refinery?

777 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:18:00am

What is Exxon doing with those profits? Are they buying Lear Jets for the children of the Board Members, returning the money to the economy thru the shareholders, or investing in R&D for alternative fuels?

Profits are not bad.

778 Miss Trixie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:18:39am

grayp

They finally caught him in the act. He was rapelling himself up between two trees near the fence and flopping himself over.

Beagles can be evil.

OMFG! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

You guys are killing me this morning and my colleagues are staring at me funny!

LOLOLOLOL!

Good -HAHA- morning, -HAHA- MTNester!

779 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:19:02am

How much of that profit is going to the government in the form of taxes? And, probably more importantly, what is the government doing with their share?

780 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:19:26am

#761 USMC RECON

The response to a mass terrorist attack in the Us by 10,000 snipers would result in an war in this country between the terrorists and Americans who will not wait for the law enforcement people to take care of it. There are thousands of vets who will rise up.

I have no doubt about the thousands of vets, but they will have to watch out for the regular folk, too (even the soccer moms)!

Laugh, but I'm not joking.

781 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:20:39am

#761 USMC Recon

The response to a mass terrorist attack in the Us by 10,000 snipers would result in an war in this country between the terrorists and Americans who will not wait for the law enforcement people to take care of it. There are thousands of vets who will rise up. The DC snipers were "successful" because of the PC manner in which it was handled. That method will go away when people feel threatende. The body count will be very high on the side of the "terrorists".

Henh. I was just thinking that quietly to myself. Lot more vets than there are Muslim immigrants fo' sho'.

782 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:21:06am

I'd love to find out how many of our elderly's medical bills we are able to pay because of taxes from big business.

Our 1040's are not the only source of income for our dear Uncle Sam.

783 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:23:29am

#752 grayp

May I suggest that the premise of this discussion is a bit narrow?

Well, only if you want to redefine the terms of the discussion. Nowhere did I dismiss the cultural threat of Islam (though it is vastly more significant in Europe than here--even Canada is not that threatened since our immigration draws from all over the world, not just Islamic states as with Europe).

My original point and question(s) revolve around the real, quantifiable risk of imminent physical harm to the average North American posed by jihadist attacks of the type we just saw in NC.

I observed that the actual number of such attacks has been very low since 9/11.

#756 haakondahl

brings up another perspective: there have been many attempts but they have all been foiled. So far. My response to this would be: if there have in fact been may foiled terrorist attacks on US soil then should the government not consider stronger measures to crack down on mosques, madrasses, etc. in the US? Either the government is incompetent or there have not been as many attempts after all.

Overall it seems to me that the US is far less threatened internally than is Europe (though I certainly do not say there is NO threat), but of course I could be proved wrong tomorrow (God forbid).

784 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:23:53am

756 haakondahl

you have hit the nial squarely on the head.

We will never know about the thousands of intellegence saves every year, but we sure as hell will know about the one time it fails.

I just hope the people that help it fail are caught up in the immediate results.

785 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:23:58am
I have no doubt about the thousands of vets, but they will have to watch out for the regular folk, too (even the soccer moms)!

There is something primordial, raw, completely menacing about your average female whose returns are refused at the customer service counter...jihadis? Feh.

NMM

786 SwampWoman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:24:24am

#280 m

I have no doubt about the thousands of vets, but they will have to watch out for the regular folk, too (even the soccer moms)!

But some of the vets are soccer moms!

Grin. I know what you mean. If anybody threatens her great-grandchildren, you KNOW my mama gonna be out huntin' too.

787 MTNester  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:24:25am

Good Morning, {Miss Trixie} - The dog stories this morning are funny. Do I understand that your little Miss Trixie has some meds that will make her leg feel better?

788 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:24:33am

774-
Right, they should be in prison for stealing from the proletariat classes!

789 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:25:55am

RECON

Don't count out us well armed rednecks.

Or the good americans who will "See Nut ting"

790 amyc  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:26:20am

779 ggt profits are after taxes

791 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:27:06am

#785 newmelleman

There is something primordial, raw, completely menacing about your average female whose returns are refused at the customer service counter...jihadis? Feh.

Yep. We can be quite scary.

Hush Ronin!

792 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:28:18am

#786 SwampWoman

But some of the vets are soccer moms!

True! I should have mentioned that :D

Grin. I know what you mean. If anybody threatens her great-grandchildren, you KNOW my mama gonna be out huntin' too.

OOHH BUT DAMN! Exactly.

793 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:28:50am
794 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:31:11am

#784 Keepandbear

We will never know about the thousands of intellegence saves every year

My problem with this line of reasoning is that if true it indicates that there is an organized, sustained civil war under way and we have just been lucky so far.

If there are thousands of averted terrorist attacks in the US each year then Congress should act to forcibly close down all suspect mosques and immediately deport or imprison all jihadist clerics.

Instead, NYC yesterday reinstated one of these very jihadists in his job. Either the government perceives little actual risk, or they are failing in their primary duty.

795 bweep  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:31:45am

#737 Pro-Bush Canuck
Absolutely. I accept FAR worse odds every time I get in my car.

If you didn't take a chance when you got in the car, you would stay at home all day. The consequences on quality of life would be extreme. Also, most accidents happen in the home, so by getting into your car, you are removing a host of other risks. You are surrounded by risks involving gravity and inanimate objects, it is a question of which ones you take.

The jihadi risk is one I don't have to take. I can insist my government sends the military to destroy everything they stand for. By doing so, I also give the enemy a choice about risk. If they attack me, what are the chances of their cause suffering. 1 in 1. For them the odds are short, and the consequences are extreme. If Mullah Omar had his time again, do you think he would have let Bin Laden attack the USA?
If I spend an extra ten minutes at airport security, the chances of another 9/11 are further reduced. The inconvenience to me is small, the chances of a catastrophe decrease. If it does happen, then we have the consolation of knowing we did everything we could. Doing nothing effectively invites attack.

You also talk about the chance to each of us. We are civilised, I'm as concerned about your children and the ones in Beslan as I am about my own family. We have to act in unity. Individual editors will not take a chance by publishing cartoons. That is how the threat to us works. They single people out one at a time, like the Mafia. You have to act because of the risk to someone else, otherwise they will eventually get to you.

796 amyc  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:32:03am

776 E2M my point is that nobody thinks they should have to risk their capital any more. They seem to think the government should do all that scary risking for them.

If I had a spare billion? They have a spare 25 billion. And yes, if they are in the oil industry, I believe it makes sense for them to spend a bill on new refining capacity, as it will keep the cost of their product down. As long as their product is cheaper than the competitors, it will sell and keep the competitors out of the marketplace. If gas and oil prices keep rising, alternative energy sources like solar power become more relatively affordable. And solar doesn't have that nasty middle east connotation.

So I believe the oil companies are raking in the short term profits at risk to their futures. Nose/face kind of thing.

/but I'm a biochemist. just mho

797 Miss Trixie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:32:34am

{MTNester}

Good Morning, {Miss Trixie} - The dog stories this morning are funny. Do I understand that your little Miss Trixie has some meds that will make her leg feel better?

Yes, thanks for asking. She's on Metacam (meloxicam) and redstateredneck has had enormously remarkable results from it. I'm hoping the same for mine.

But, I must be prepared for another surgery.

/why is it called a "stiff upper lip" when it's the lower that trembles?

798 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:33:11am

#793 aussiemagpie
I didn't read the link but if they de-emphasize the political part then yes it is a step in the right direction.

And now for the inevitable diatribe

799 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:34:29am

ggt @779
Large Oil Industry Tax Payments

During 2005, these three companies paid a combined corporate income tax burden of $44.3 billion on their reported gross earnings. Compared to last year’s combined corporate income taxes of $29.7 billion, their burden for 2005 has increased by 49.2 percent and follows the overall trend of escalating corporate tax collections in the United States. In addition to corporate income taxes, the same companies paid or remitted over $114.5 billion in other taxes in 2005, including franchise, payroll, property, severance and excise taxes.

When the federal statutory corporate income tax rate of 35 percent is added to the weighted average of state corporate income taxes, the resulting rate of 39.3 percent means that corporations in the United States are currently at an international competitive disadvantage. In fact, as recent research has indicated, the top combined state and federal statutory corporate income tax in the U.S. is higher than any other country in the OECD.

800 amyc  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:35:03am

Canuck---so I repeat myself

The more rational ones are lying low as they know large scale crap like was tolerated in France would lead to mass internment and deportation here. We aren't as fully dhimmified yet. Our response to the supposedly "inexplicable" issues like the UNC jihadi and the little bomb at the OU football game and the lovely "head chaplain" in NYC will determine when others feel more confident making their moves, in my opinion.

801 Geepers  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:35:23am

ggt,

Look, just because Mike C. and Ed Mahmoud have 50 years experience in the oil industry, they are clueless posers.

American Infidel saw a MOVIE ! ! ! with an OIL MAN in it! ! ! ! Plus she made a Excel SPREAD SHEET, PROVING all the oil companies HAVE to be in collusion, because you know, she said so. 75% icrease in profit! ! ! !
How can you be so blind?!?!?!?!?

LOL...lol...ha ha

802 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:38:36am

MT

I'm just staying out of these idiots way.

They have no idea what they are doing, and I sure as hell am not gonna help them.

803 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:38:37am

I'm a simple thinker. Gross Profits less taxes (and other expenses) = Net profits.

A lot of green going to uncle sam.

804 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:39:07am

794 Pro-Bush Canuck

I disagree

What we are doing so far works. And it has been very difficult to get this far. Remember the Patriot Act fights, the on going fight about listening in on foreign nationals, etc, maybe even things in commitee that haven't been leaked. If the Government goes farther at this point the left will go into full blown rip, they are already trying to exploit the people like you in this country by attempting to act like they would go harder. which they won't.

Its working now, Unfortunately it will take another strike for the US to go to the next level in this country.

805 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:39:33am
Hush Ronin!

:-X

806 Miss Trixie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:40:57am

Thanks for all the belly laughs this morning. It was just what I needed.

:D

807 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:41:46am

796 amyc

You're missing the point, though. Refineries are necessarily a long-term investment. They absolutely require a long period, on the order of 20-30 years to pay back the investment. If they can't be confident in the long term future, they won't make the investment. No sane investor will. There are a number of factors that make the long-term future cloudy, and among them is environmental regulation.

Other things are the possibility that we may all ditch our SUVs and buy econoboxes (happened in the early '80s), or alternative fuels may become feasible, which require a completely different refining setup. Too much uncertainty. Sane paople don't invest with that much uncertainty unless the margins are commensurate. And they aren't, given how short the certainty horizon is.

808 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:42:24am

#795 bweep

I agree with pretty much your whole post, which was quite eloquent.

I guess my problem is--how do I put this...

I expected it to be worse.

There are many paradoxical and contradictory aspects to this whole thing. Compare relatively black and white moral issues we confronted during WWII. We knew who the enemy was and we set about destroying him by any and all means necessary (including the use of atomic weapons).

In the present conflict many of us perceive a global clash of civilizations (more accurately, clash between civilization and barbarism). Many of us believe that Islam itself is the problem and that it is fundamentally incompatible with our way of life.

Problem is we don't (so far) act as though that is true. Instead we (Canada in Afghanistan, US everywhere) are fighting on behalf of Muslims. When we fought Germany we simply killed anyone with a gun. In Iraq we are taking sides with one group of Muslims over another. These actions indicate not a clash of Islam vs. the West, but rather the Bushian view that an other wise peaceful religion has been hijacked by a small number of extremists.

If Islam is truly the enemy, why do we not act as though this is true?

809 j-damn  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:42:36am
Also, most accidents happen in the home, so by getting into your car, you are removing a host of other risks.

Most accidents happen in the home due to the preponderance of time one spends in the home. If you spent 14 hours a day at the ballpark, most accidents would happen at the ballpark.

810 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:42:58am

Stiff upper Lip

Andy in Scotland wrote: Before the Napoleonic wars there was a bizarre fashion among officers to have tarred moustaches. Their moustaches would be smeared with hot pitch and then moulded into shape before it solidified. And so these brave officers would keep a stiff upper lip.

Definition from Steve Sabram: European nobility term to dictate how to behave in court so as to not show favoritism nor your feelings toward an issue brought up.

811 MTNester  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:45:33am

#802 Ronin

These guys aren't having such a great day, either.

812 Miss Trixie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:46:19am

Wow, keep.

Would you put tar on your 'stache?

;p

813 Miss Trixie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:48:25am

Actually, now that I think of it, tarring 'staches is almost like a bikini wax.

/Ouch!

814 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:48:31am

MT

:D

815 MTNester  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:48:48am

#812 Miss Trixie

Would you put tar on your 'stache?


More to the point, would you want to kiss that?

*pfft...spit*

816 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:50:39am

#798 keepandbear

Hi - yes and they will be forced to sermonise in English too according to this advisory group report

But this religion really causes so much angst - no other religious group has an advisory group with the Prime Minister

817 Miss Trixie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:50:49am

MT

Kiss it? No, but I've always maintained that drinking soup through a mustache is a strain.

/ducks and runs away

;p

818 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:51:21am
819 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:51:22am

44.3B + 114.5B = 158.8B to various levels of government.

Federal Budget is close to 3Trillion.

What has the War in Iraq cost? $9B a month?

The wealth of this country is staggering. Beyond the ability of my feeble mind to grasp.

Microsoft "revenues" in 2004 -$36Billion --for what? lines of code?

Movie Industry revenue 2005 $44.8B

I don't know, I'm just not that upset about the oil industry's ability to make money. I'd be upset if they didn't.

820 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:52:24am

Keep a Stiff Upper Lip: probably a derivative of the British saying, "Keep your pecker up", and refers to the trembling of the upper lip when faced with danger or troubles. To keep a stiff upper lip is to face this danger with courage and without showing emotion.

821 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:52:42am

*pondering*

...how long until the free moustache line comes up?...

822 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:53:45am

#821 addendum

insert "ride" after moustache please

*looking for towel to wipe egg off face*

823 amyc  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:53:54am

803 ggt no argument there.

I'd rather they spent all that money on building refineries or doing something else that actually employs people and helps the economy instead of sending it to the government...oh well.

824 Texas Heathen  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:55:38am

810 keep

Before the Napoleonic wars there was a bizarre fashion among officers to have tarred moustaches.

hmmm I'm guessing they didn't smoke!

825 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:55:52am

Miss Trixie

Actually, now that I think of it, tarring 'staches is almost like a bikini wax.


Only if you leave it on, dear.

"Why is Miss Trixie walking bow-legged?"

Hmmm...

826 amyc  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:56:22am

I'd think a tarred mustache would be flammable? Or is it less flammable than untreated hair?

827 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:56:57am

If Uncle Sam did something to actually earn the money, I'd be less bitchy about it. But Uncle Sam does not work. Indivudals work. Oil companies are made up of people WHO WORK.

So, what, you work, work hard, see no real profit for years and then, you start to see a profit. But that isn't politically correct, you can't buy a porcshe, it isn't fair to the little people who bought your product.

Go live in China. I'm staying here.

828 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:57:27am

I was gonna ask if it was 5:00 yet, but all this talk of waxing makes me not care so much right now...

:D

829 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:58:14am

#825 redstateredneck

"Why is Miss Trixie walking bow-legged?"

Why has she been sitting in that chair for 3 days?

NMM

830 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:58:42am

amyc--like investing in R&D which employs biochemists?

831 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:59:32am
832 svjathi  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 6:59:36am

#97 Josiah Stevenson 3/14/2006 09:37PM PST
"Iron fist #74
yes i know there are legal procedures - I'm not "abismally ignorant." But do you know anyone who's tried to go through these simple legal procedures? it takes between 7 and 10 years, and it ain`t fun."

Doing anything according to the law ain't fun, as you Americans put it.

There are different procedures of legally becoming a citizen. You should have that in mind right from the day you set foot in America, with all documentation in tact. You can become a resident alien within 5 years (if you are from India or China). It is almost current for all other countries, meaning you just need to wait a few months.

If you are a person, who walked across the border with just the clothes you were wearing, then probably you do come in any of the categories who can go for legal naturalization. You can never become a citizen.

Of course, there is no way anyone can deport the 11 million to 20 million illegals presntly residing in the US. It would amount to breaking up families, which I think goes against everything American.

Before we provide any amnesty to the existing illegals in America, we need to close the northern and southern borders. Illegal whites should be equally unwelcome in America as illegal browns and blacks.

9/11 gave us a wonderful opportunity to do this. But we failed. We could have closed the borders and stopped all foreign aid for maybe a couple of years and done some introspection. Imagine Egypt without $2 billion or Pakistan with out $750 million doled out by US. No one would have objected. The money saved from not giving out doles would have financed any kind of border fences or walls!

833 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:02:14am

All this talk about the economy - my knowledge is a bit rusty as my Uni days are in the dim distant past and Economics was not my favourite subject but now I'm concerned with my own economics

I have $10 - spent in 30 seconds

I have $100 - spent in 5 minutes

I have $1,000 - wait, I don't have because of stealth State taxes on everything, so it's back to

I have $10

Companies are in the business to make profits

Otherwise they would be charitable organisations

These companies that process and manufacture oil, whitegoods, cars, food etc all employ zillions of people who share some of the wealth in their paypackets or shares

And as for the price of petrol - or gas as you call it, here it is

#1.29 a litre (less on discount days - #1.15)

Or approx $5 a gallon

So consider yourselves lucky

834 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:02:29am

#827 ggt

So, what, you work, work hard, see no real profit for years and then, you start to see a profit. But that isn't politically correct,

Another critical point. Basic industries are cyclical, and when things are down, there's little to no profit, frequently there are losses. There has to be high profits in the good times to compensate, or the overall long-term investment would suck. In other words, they have to make the money in the good times to cover the losses in the bad.

835 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:04:47am

Aussie

less on discount days

Huh? How often do you have these?

NMM

836 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:04:56am

if by 2025 we are no longer to be dependent on foreign oil, it makes NO sense to build refineries.

And to make one point very clear, the envirowhackos don't just drive up the cost, they actively work to make it unfeasble to build a refinery. It is their goal to eliminate refinerys.

837 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:09:57am

#828 Minnesota Ronin

I was gonna ask if it was 5:00 yet, but all this talk of waxing makes me not care so much right now...

:D

Only you, Ronin. Only you.

(wow, I don't think I have had to say that all week!)

838 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:11:20am
(wow, I don't think I have had to say that all week!)

Work has been keeping me busy...

You'll say it again by the weeks end.

;)

839 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:12:20am

m

How goes the day?

Mine F**CKING SUCKS!

:D

840 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:12:35am

m

(wow, I don't think I have had to say that all week!)


It's only Wednesday morning; the week is relatively young! Give the boy some time; I'm sure he'll provide you with plenty of opportunities to chastise him.

841 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:13:31am

I hit the refresh button and Now I am going to be late. Someday, I'll learn.

Buy all, bye all!

AHHH--I just got a call from some organization wanting me to call my congressman (hasert) to tell him to oppose some bill about raising taxes on energy companies and rebating the money to foreign companies. Now, I gotta look that up.

Windfall Profit's tax --Special Energy something. Of course, the caller didn't have the bill #.

842 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:13:46am
I'm sure he'll provide you with plenty of opportunities to chastise him.

Mmmm... punishment.

843 Miss Trixie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:14:36am

insert "ride" after moustache please

LOL!

redstateredneck

Only if you leave it on, dear.

"Why is Miss Trixie walking bow-legged?"

LOLOLOLOL!

NMM

Why has she been sitting in that chair for 3 days?

OMFG! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Must. take. -HAHA!- lunch. -HAHA!- break.

*wipes eyes*

bbl

hahahahahahah!

844 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:16:53am

#835 newmelleman

Hi

The price drops on Sunday evening and goes up again Wednesday evening

There has been a lot of noise about this - oil company cartels etc

And most sensible people can't see how petrol in the tanks at servos can change price in the blink of an eye

And the major cost that the poor old motorist pays is Federal tax - when the cost of a litre of petrol is broken down the Feds are the ones getting the dosh/moula/dough - something like 70%

845 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:16:55am

I'm gonna scream:

Your congress in an election year

846 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:17:09am

#839 Ronin

Here, but try to save it until after work. Well lunch anyway.

NMM

847 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:17:51am

C-ya Miss Trixie

848 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:18:21am

NMM

Mmmm... Jagermeister...

849 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:19:19am

836 ggt

And to make one point very clear, the envirowhackos don't just drive up the cost, they actively work to make it unfeasble to build a refinery. It is their goal to eliminate refinerys.

More to the point, their goal is to eliminate all private motor vehicles (except theirs). Toward this end, they will sabotage any and all support infrastructure for motor vehicles, including fuel production and distribution, and also roads.

That's why these traffic circles are so fashionable. The screw traffic up. And no, I'm not being sarcastic. This is deliberate.

850 grayp  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:20:08am

#845 ggt

ROSA DELAURO introduced that piece of crap?

jeez, we work with her office all the time. I thought she had more sense than that.

851 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:21:39am

I'm up really late tonight

Is this the famous DDT?

And will you get to the magical 1K spot? :-)

852 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:22:15am

#844 Aussie

Hiya back atcha!

Thanks for the explanation, we very much have the same "trends" here. I thought for a minute there was a specific date set for some sort of discount.

We have something like that here in Missouri for families buying school supplies for their children to return to school in the Fall. Sales tax is lifted on school supplies for a brief time.

(although when moving back to college I always had cases of beer bundled up in brown paper bags marked "school supplies" I'm reasonably certain this is not one of those items that qualify under this program).

NMM

853 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:22:20am

#839 Minnesota Ronin

How goes the day?

Mine F**CKING SUCKS!

:D

Don't get me started!

854 ggt  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:22:32am

allright, scanned bill (HR 4203) sent Hasert a nastygram (mentioned "redistribution of wealth" and "government theft" --think I made my point?) and now, I am really logging-off

Have a great day all!

855 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:24:01am

m

Don't get me started!

Ok. I won't.

Smile sugah!

:D

856 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:24:23am

845 ggt

Oh, lovely. They're going to tax profits (which will cause prices to rise), and then rebate it as a tax credit. Which means that lower income people won't see a penny of it. They'll just see the prices rise. Real progressive, there...

857 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:24:53am

aussie & nmm

The price drops on Sunday evening and goes up again Wednesday evening


The price from the refineries here in the US is typically lower on these days as well. Our local Exxon stations offer premium at regular unleaded price on Tuesdays. I suppose they figure they will replace it with cheaper fuel than if they sold it and replaced it Thursday thru the weekend.

858 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:24:58am

Bitch and moan. bitch and moan

LOL

859 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:25:31am

aussie

Is this the famous DDT?


Normally we are a lot more crazy... But yeah... this would be it!

:D

860 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:26:14am

#854 ggt

and now, I am really logging-off

uh, huh ;)

Well if your finger doesn't mistakenly hit the refresh button this time...see ya.

#851 Aussie

Yes & Yes!

So you are fearful of the "ides of March" that you cannot sleep?

NMM

861 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:26:50am

#840 redstateredneck

It's only Wednesday morning; the week is relatively young! Give the boy some time; I'm sure he'll provide you with plenty of opportunities to chastise him.

Hahaha! No doubt about it!

:D

862 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:26:53am

#845 ggt 3/15/2006 09:16AM PST
I'm gonna scream:

Your congress in an election year


Oh relax!...Congress is just trying to cause gasoline shortages and drive up the cost of a gallon...oh, and get their hands on some more of our money.

No biggie...really

/sardonic

863 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:27:47am

aussie
We're much friendlier on the DDT than those on the threads upstairs!

864 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:27:56am

See restate- #842 :D

Only you, Ronin!

865 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:29:25am

#851 aussiemagpie

Is this the famous DDT?

And will you get to the magical 1K spot? :-)

Tune in next time on...

As the DDT Turns! :D

866 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:29:38am
Only you, Ronin!

Doubtful.

867 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:30:48am

Miss Trixie's gone but can you let her know her Canadian athletes looked lovely in their red trackies and red shoes with white maple leaves on them at the Opening Ceremony for the Commonwealth Games here in Melbourne last night

And the Queen looked radiant as Queens should as she declared the Games open

Go the Aussies! :-)

868 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:30:54am
We're much friendlier on the DDT than those on the threads upstairs!

And much more dirty. Or at least I am.

;)

869 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:30:58am

#855 Minnesota Ronin

:-D

870 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:31:10am

MN Ronin

I was thinking of verbal punishment or a time-out...not this kind!

871 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:32:40am

Off to lunch and running a few errands...
BBL

872 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:33:07am
I was thinking of verbal punishment or a time-out...not this kind!

You took it your way, I took it mine!

873 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:33:27am

#868 Ronin

Smoke...check
Dirty Mind...check
Drink/Party talk...check
Calm & Reasonable...check

DDT rules the bandwidth!

NMM

874 MTNester  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:34:22am

#868 Ronin

And much more dirty. Or at least I am.

NMM - sounds like another cleanup is necessary. I checked the floor...nothing there.

875 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:34:26am

C-ya redstate!

876 gymnast  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:34:26am

#836, ggt. Good points. The vast majority of "environmentalists" are nothing less than reds trying to camouflage themselves in green.

From conservation to ecology to environmentalism. Three words and a 180 degree shift in ideology.

877 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:34:35am

#866 Minnesota Ronin

Doubtful.

Okay, you're prolly not the only one to think it. But you're the only one who would POST IT!

:D

878 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:37:27am

#874 MTNester

sounds like another cleanup is necessary

Thought I might have seen some oil stains on the Persian Rug but it must have just been shadows after all.

I checked the floor...nothing there.

Look about 5'6" higher :D

NMM

879 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:37:29am

#857 redstateredneck

Hi there - the DDT - the friendly Thread!

Have a nice lunch - here it's almost brekkie time!

880 MTNester  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:39:02am

#878 NMM

Look about 5'6" higher

LOLOL - You're right, of course.

881 Keepandbear  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:39:08am

OOh Redstate is into DISCIPLINE

882 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:39:42am
Okay, you're prolly not the only one to think it. But you're the only one who would POST IT!

Yeah... Awesome eh?

883 MTNester  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:40:07am

#879 Aussiemagpie

here it's almost brekkie time!

What do you like to eat for breakfast, Aussie?

884 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:40:10am

#879 Aussie

Brekkie Time! What are we having? Biscuits & Gravy, Chili & Eggs, or just a smoke and a Butterfinger?

NMM

885 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:41:58am

#881 Keepandbear

OOh Redstate is into DISCIPLINE


Yeah. And apparently doesn't mind if it costs a few Kangaroos in the process!

NMM

886 MTNester  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:42:22am

mmm...biscuits & gravy. I'm so hungry!

887 loppyd  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:42:50am

Hi Kids!

{Ronin} - sorry you're having a bad day!

Come tell loppy all your troubles...

888 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:43:12am

#860 newmelleman

No nothing so literary or romantic

Just a regular insomniac and an LGF addict :-)

And I always find it hard to log off - just have to read a few more posts - and suddenly it's an hour later!

889 wargammer2005  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:43:43am

American Infidel

oil doesnt come from dinosaurs and black coal doesnt come from trees.

both are a natural product of the earth, upwelling from below.

plenty of evidence for it.

and just how many dinosaurs had to die in the right place to make all that oil? ever se what happens to an animal that dies, it is stripped clean.

and how did the oil get so far below the north sea? how did it get miles below ground?

the methane that cause explosions in mines is the origin of coal, it is still being made, upwelling from below.

890 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:45:11am
OOh Redstate is into DISCIPLINE

*High fives redstate*

891 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:46:11am

#881 Keepandbear

OOh Redstate is into DISCIPLINE

Since Redstate is out to lunch, I'll handle this one.

Gotta problem wi' dat, Keep?

/cracking whip!

:D

892 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:48:24am

#868 Min Ronin

Oh dear - this is the friendly dirty thread?

And you are the anointed dirty one of the group? :-)

893 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:48:35am
Come tell loppy all your troubles...

I work with lazy idiots.

Normally it's not so bad, but they are in rare form today.

894 MTNester  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:49:04am

#891

Oh m...don't encourage him...it just makes him crazy!

895 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:51:36am

#894 MTNester

#891

Oh m...don't encourage him...it just makes him crazy!

hahahaha! ;-) m'kay~ I'll be a good girl!

896 MTNester  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:51:38am

#893 Ronin

Oh man! Do I feel your pain.

Boss wants a newsletter. I put one together, there are a couple of pieces he needs to give the okey-dokey.

I email them to him (two weeks ago). He asks how the progress is coming on that newsletter. I remind him (with great restraint) that it could have been done two weeks ago if he had reviewed what I sent him.

Still haven't gotten anything back from him.

I'm going to have to go to lunch soon to avoid doing physical harm (to him)!

897 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:52:04am
And you are the anointed dirty one of the group?

Nah... we're ALL dirty.

898 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:53:16am
I'll be a good girl!

HA!

899 loppyd  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:54:15am

893 Ronin

I work with lazy idiots.

Been there. Makes you wonder what the hell you're putting in the effort for...

900 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:54:21am

#MTnester

Hi

Well on weekends we do the bacon and eggs thing

On weekdays it's coffee! As I like to stay in bed till the last minute before work!

But my favourite brekkie ever is Eggs Benedict - mmm

901 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:54:25am

MT

I'm going to have to go to lunch soon to avoid doing physical harm

I say slap him right in the mouth... But that's me.

:D

902 MTNester  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:54:48am

OK, I'm going to lunch now. BBL

903 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:55:24am

MTNester & Ronin

My Boss (Vice President) sat in on a meeting with a consultant and some staff.

Consultant : what would you do in this situation?

NMM : I'd do this.

Boss : NMM, that too philosophical, yada, yada, yada.

(Two slides later in the counsultants presentation)

Consultant : You should consider doing this (word for word what NMM said)


It was all I could do to avoid eye contact with my boss...which would not have been good.

We share the same pain.

NMM

904 loppyd  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:56:10am

900 {aussie}

But my favourite brekkie ever is Eggs Benedict - mmm

Mmmm. Me too. But I have to have a side of bacon, too. I'm a pork fat addict and I'm alright with admiting it. :D

905 MTNester  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:57:14am

#900 Aussiemagpie

Well on weekends we do the bacon and eggs thing

On weekdays it's coffee! As I like to stay in bed till the last minute before work!

But my favourite brekkie ever is Eggs Benedict - mmm

Sounds just like our house! We do eggs, bacon or sausage and hash browns on weekends.

But we will definitely have to do breakfast together when you come this summer because my most favorite breakfast is Eggs Benedict! Ooooh, it's a breakfast feast! :-D

And now I really AM going to lunch. Aussie, take care if you leave before I get back! See you tomorrow!

906 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:57:49am

Lopps

Makes you wonder what the hell you're putting in the effort for...

And how!

907 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:58:57am

C-ya MT!

908 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:59:16am

#904 Loppy

Best ever breakfast (if eaten at about 3:00 a.m. after a tour of the bars):

Biscuits & Gravy
Two Eggs over easy
Hash Browns
Bacon

Cut up the eggs and mix thoroughly with the hash browns. Ingest all in the company of good friends and hope you get home before the weight of it all knocks you out.

NMM

909 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:59:20am

#898 Minnesota Ronin

I'll be a good girl!

HA!

I could certainly be a good girl. If I wanted to.

910 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 7:59:52am

aussie

But my favourite brekkie ever is Eggs Benedict

Oh hell yeah! With extra hollandaise to pour on the hashbrowns!

911 loppyd  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 8:00:55am

Ronin

I'm very lucky to have a job where I work independently...being part of a "team" where nobody gave a sh*t and did as little work as possible to get by was awful. I did it for almost six years, too.

Aside from the lazy sponges you work with do you like your job?

912 Minnesota Ronin  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 8:01:17am
I could certainly be a good girl. If I wanted to.

^^^ :D ^^^

913 newmelleman  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 8:01:20am
I could certainly be a good girl. If I wanted to.

Uh, huh...and if my Uncle had breasts he'd be my Aunt

;P

NMM

914 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 8:02:12am

#884 newmelleman

Now I've read this DDT before and I've discovered it is also the smoking friendly thread

Yes I also smoke - but never at brekkie or at work

And when I'm here on LGF I smoke a lot - and drink a lot

You are all a terrible influence on me :-)

915 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 8:02:52am
916 loppyd  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 8:03:05am

908 NMM

You and I would get along just fine, my friend!

The BF and I go to a hole in the wall breakfast place a few times a month and we usually go straight home and lapse into food comas on the couch. It's especially wonderful during football (college or pro) season.

917 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 8:04:16am
918 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 8:04:37am
919 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 8:04:51am
920 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 8:05:11am
921 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 8:05:29am

915 taxfreekiller

Geepers is hanging out in one of the upstairs threads. You don't have a prayer.

922 loppyd  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 8:05:34am

910 Ronin

It's a good thing hollandaise isn't fattening, though...

:D

923 m  Wed, Mar 15, 2006 8:05:59am