Mama, don't let yer babies grow up to be right-wingers.

No wonder it is referred to as Berzerkley

this has to be the least sceitifnc study i can imagine.

ah, quack doctors from Berkastan are the best.

Answer:

No, Charles, Berkeley wacademics do NOT have anything better to do.

This fella is typical in every way:

Paul Thomas
Professor of Political Science
Email: pt@socrates.berkeley.edu
Phone: (510) 642-4681
Office Location: 728 Barrows
Office Hours: W 2-4
Spring 2006 Course: PS118AC Three American Cultures: Jazz, Hollywood Cinema, and Border Music
Professor Thomas received his Ph.D. from Harvard University in 1973. He specializes in Marxism and Political Theory. His books include Karl Marx and the Anarchists (Routledge, 1980), Alien Politics: Marxist State Theory Retrieved (Routledge, 1994), Rational Choice Marxism (co-edited with Terrell Carver, Macmillan, 1995), and Culture and the State (co-authored with David Lloyd, Routledge, 1998). His numerous articles on Marx and Marxism include contributions to The Cambridge Companion to Marx and to the 1998 Socialist Register. He has also written on Rousseau, cinema and other socio-cutural themes. He is currently at work on a book called Scientific Socialism: Career of a Concept.

It occurs to me that, since this was Berkeley, maybe the kids who grew up to be conservative thought everyone was out to get them because it was true.

Dr. Mengele would be proud.

I'm 100% bottled Alpha.

Charles-Jonah Goldberg has thoroughly Fisked the "study".

I think zombie has already proven that the Bay Area liberals are the snivelers.

What a crock. A better example of skewing research to confirm a pre-existing simplistic bias you'll never find. The worst part is that taxpayers' money was spent on this mental masturbation.

Slighty OT, a little ways down the road:

Oakland:

Bomb Scare Shuts Down BART Station

If I were a young conservative in the midst of all that weirdness that passes for "normal" in Berkeley, I'd be a little insecure too.

They get paid money for writing stuff like this?

Should we start whinning about discrimination based on political party? Or demand an amendment to the Constitution to add 'political party' to race, creed and gender?

The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals.

And they make a mean papier mache' puppet head, too.

turned into rigid young adults

The confident kids turned out liberal and were still hanging loose

Oh, bullshit. This is too stupid to bother with fisking.

"No generalization is worth a damn, including this one." Oliver Wendell Holmes, oft quoted.

So I think, why I work 12 hours/day to get a PhD in chemical engineering?

I could have enrolled with some humanities department with a research project titled "Class and Gender Conflicts among the Italian-ethnic Migrants" and worked three days a week and laid a few babes for research purposes...

and turned into rigid young adults who hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with ambiguity

Well, if that's the metric to decide who's good and who's evil who's lberal and who's conservative, I understand many things.

In my view,think how strong a kid would have to be to grow up Republican in that Hell hole! I live a bit east of there, and I'll tell you I am constantly explaining how things REALLY work to my daughter.

maybe those conservative babies were crying because they were surrounded by all those asshole idiot Berkeley liberals?

I have to jump in here to say something important. But I have to be cagey about it:

THIS STUDY IS BOGUS. I know this because I have inside information. I know the school where the study was conducted, I know some of the people involved, I know the political agenda they had.

Absolutely NO scietific priciples were followed in conducting this "study." They set out to prove a point, and they only considered analyses that confirmed their bias.

The study has been fisked elsewhere, so I don't need to do it in detail here. I'm just here to say: it's nothing but a pile of bullshit.

Take it from someone who knows, from the inside.

Seems to fly in the face of this Pew survey:

[Link: www.livescience.com...]

"But even after adjusting for income, poor Republicans are happier than poor Democrats, and rich Republicans are happier than rich Democrats. "

okay. if that makes him feel better about his offspring, fine.
i wonder how much variance his study noted due to the recreational medications taken by the liberal parents...

My first thought upon seeing this is...so what? Conservatives get all of their crying out of their system when they're babies and small children (like when they're supposed to).

Liberals, I guess, evolve much more slowly. Or maybe in reverse.

Block admits in his paper that liberal Berkeley is not representative of the whole country.

Does that mean I can take the revolver down from my temple now ?

If Liberals are a superior race, that explains their attitude towards Jews now, doesn't it?

Let's roll back our memories....

All of the whiny, sissy, mama's boys that I ever knew are are LLL's today!

This "study" is a clear case of projection.

Apparently the "research" itself admits that they're looking at a 0.27 correlation coefficient - that is to say, nothing.

This would be enought to to discredit this work.

I guess conservatives got all their whininess out of their systems at an early age. Moonbats seem to go through that phase later in life. I wonder how long it lasts?

zombie

There was no need for your post #19.

minstrel: My thoughts, exactly. Gotta love the value-laden adjectives, as well: whiny versus bright, etc.

I also apologize if this posts a second time; I am having internet access issues today.

Conservatives are the whiney babies when little, then the Moonbats exchange places with them as they reach adulthood. Please see the "peace marches" complete with infantile paper mache dolls and idiotic crybaby signs for supporting scientific evidence. No Phd necessary, thank you.

# 19 z

J. Goldberg confirms the bogusness of the corelation figures (among other things) quite well in Writermom's link ...

Charles

"Wacademics" is inspired, although consider wackademics.

First, the 1960 version of liberal is a long ways away from the 2006 anti-war neocommunist.

I don't recall a sharp guy like Jack Kennedy backing down from the commies. He made his fair shair of mistakes though.

Now let us do a personality test on the House and Senate and see which people seem the most reasonable, logical and so forth, and who appear to be the most insecure and sniveling.

Peter King NY, Sensebrenner,Vin Webber, McCain even

VS.

Edward Kennedy, Dick Durbin, Russ Feingold,
Nancy Pelosi..

Who seems the more coherent, and effective?

TO: All
RE: My...

...take on this.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

#23 Mike C.

Put.Down.The.Gun.

Liberals think that if you are conservative, you must be crazy.

Islamofascist judge in Afghanistan thinks that if you convert from Islam to Christianity, you must be crazy.

I see a similarity in the thought processes at work here.

# 26 FabioC.

An R squared of 0.26 ? In the oil biz we call that interesting, but we sure as hell don't drill on it. Gotta be 0.60, minimum.

#19 zombie

THIS STUDY IS BOGUS. I know this because I have inside information. I know the school where the study was conducted, I know some of the people involved, I know the political agenda they had.

Absolutely NO scietific priciples were followed in conducting this "study." They set out to prove a point, and they only considered analyses that confirmed their bias.

I knew it! Bwahahaha!

From #9 writermom's Jonah Goldberg link:

One reason this isn't hard to imagine is that this is a very, very old game. Ever since Theodor Adorno came out with his scandalously flawed Authoritarian Personality in 1950, liberal and leftist social scientists have been trying to diagnose conservatism as a psychological defect or sickness. Adorno and his colleagues argued that conservatism was little more than a "pre-fascist" "personality type." According to this school, sympathy for communism was an indication of openness and healthy idealism. Opposition to communism was a symptom of your more deep-seated pathologies and fascist tendencies. According to Adorno, subjects who saw Nazism and Stalinism as similar phenomenon were demonstrating their "idiocy" and "irrationality." Psychological counseling, many argued, could cure these maladies.

And the zinger:

Perhaps the more revealing psychological insight can be found in the fact that so many liberals think disagreeing with them is a form of psychosis.

The confident kids turned out liberal and were still hanging loose, turning into bright, non-conforming adults with wide interests

Liberals, non-conformists? Buwahahahahah. That's a good one.

Liberals have to some of the most conformist people around. If you do not conform to their way of thinking you are either dumb, racist, bigoted, sexist, or a homophobe....and let's not forget any African American who dares be conservative is immediately branded and Uncle Tom....

Maybe this "researcher" can explain why so many adult liberals are self-absorbed, whiney cry-babies with anger management problems, have poor impulse control, and are prone to obscene outburts?

The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids

I'm going to go out on a limb, considering the biased tone of this article, and assume what this stands for in liberalese is 'disobediant spoiled brat'.

Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints?

Similarly, when translated into english, 'those well-adjusted and intelligent kids we bullied'.

I'm not even stretching here, after seeing idiots I know in real life describe things similarly. And that's even assuming this study is useful; I highly doubt most of these terms were applied objectively.

For example, the authors never take this into account:

The "100 nursery school kids" that were the focus of the study were all attendees of an unnamed "study center" where the CHILDREN OF PROFESSORS AND OTHER BERKELEY ACADEMICS are placed; 95% of the parents of the kids in this nursery school are leftists/liberals/what-have-you.

So, the entire basis of the study disintegrates on this point alone. It could and should be viewed in the reverse way that the authors framed things:

- Whiny kids are kids that don't get along with their parents.

- Kids that don't get along with their parents aften grown up to rebel against their parents' beliefs.

- If a parent is liberal, a rebellious kid will grow up and turn conservative.

- Since the selected control group of parents were basically all liberals, it is a tautology that the "whiny kids" would tend to grow up to be conservative, since they're trying to disassociate themselves from their parents' belief systems.

Instead, the authors come to the baseless conclusion that whiny kids become uptight conservatives because there is some underlying personality disorder. But if the study had been done in a conservative area, the whiny kids would have grown up to be liberals.

The whole thing is a crock of baloney.

For instance, there was a .27 correlation between being self-reliant in nursery school and being a liberal as an adult.

In a related study there was a .99 correlation between being a Berkeley Professor and being a verifiable loony toon.

Well, as amusing as this topic is, I gotta slide out for a bit. TGoP is expecting a pork picatta for dinner, and I've got to go juggle all that that entails.

#26 FabioC.

0.27 correlation coefficient

can we say not statistically significant?
on the other hand, this would be a good drag coefficient, no?

Seems like who is doing the study influences what the outcome is.
What does he mean by "hanging loose"? To me it sounds like another non-productive, non-conforming asshole that wants me to be more supportive of other non-productive non-conforming assholes.
Conservatives go to school, get a job or start a business, buy a house, get married, raise children and don't have time to protest much of anything.
Liberals spend more time in school trying to find themselves, become school teachers and want to be considered professionals.
How many liberals ever had a fistfight? Since they did not they are into Gandi, and assume that the rest of the world shoould be that way. Sounds to me like they are out of touch with reality.

This is funny:

there was a .27 correlation between being self-reliant in nursery school and being a liberal as an adult. Another way of saying it is that self-reliance predicts statistically about 7 per cent of the variance between kids who became liberal and those who became conservative.

There is a 100% chance that it is all BALONEY because 47.3% of people make up statistics that they use in their arguments. However, 78.4% spew their verbal vomit with such conviction that 87.6% of people will believe whatever they say.

And, I'm 95% sure of this.

TO: Zombie
RE: Spill It, Bro

"I know this because I have inside information. I know the school where the study was conducted, I know some of the people involved, I know the political agenda they had." -- Zombie

All the gory details, please.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[What they are telling you may be important. What they are NOT telling you can be vital. -- cbpelto]

#27 IowaInfidel

Moonbats seem to go through that phase later in life. I wonder how long it lasts?

A lifetime, unless they get mugged.

/old joke

#19 zombie

"Bogus" doesn't get to the creepy desire to feel superior.

Sometimes it's hours spent in the library or on the Internet (but NOT PORN, you freaks, anyway). Facts, numbers, analysis, guessing, etc. Boring old work will often trump 'progressive' groupthink.

That's not a class, race, gender, or ethnicity. Academia, and consequently the MSM, is mired in mud past the axles.

For example, constantly pitting the "Shia" against the "Sunni" in Iraq isn't doing the pre-existing order any favors. Iraq, according to many Iraqis, used to consider sectarian questions to be rude. Reality goes beyond the sound bite.

Some Sunni and Shia want to fight for many different reasons, including crime and settling old scores. The MSM tends to assume it's all part of some grand "insurgency." I guess now it's all part of the "civil war."

Does this help prove their point?

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OT:

Algeria bans Muslims from learning about Christianity

The Algerian parliament has approved a law banning the call to embrace other religions than Islam. This law states to jail anyone "trying to call on a Muslim to embrace another religion," in remarks to the Christianizing (evangelize) campaigns taking place in the country. This decision which was approved by the national people's council ( parliament) on March 15th is an attempt to withstand the Christianizing campaign which had witnessed a notable activity recently especially in al-Qabayel area east of the country. The ratified law stated to sentence imprisonment for two to five years and a fee between 5 to 10 thousands EURO against "anyone urging or forcing or tempting, to convert a Muslim to another religion." The same penalty applies to every person, manufacturer, store or circulate publications or audo-visual or other means aiming at destabilizing attachment to Islam. The law also bans practicing any religion "except Islam" "outside buildings allocated for that, and links specialized buildings aimed at practice of religion by a prior licensing."

The Muslims are nervous because there has been quite a few conversions to Christianity in this war-torn country, where people are sick of Jihad and Berbers are tired of Arab supremacy:

"Christianity Is Life"

The Islamist campaign of violence in Algeria has turned some Muslims, especially Berbers, away from Islam and toward Christianity, reports the Algiers daily Al-Yawm in late December 2000. The deterioration of the image of Islam during the crisis has played its part in this rise of conversions to Christianity and the adoption of its principles. What is happening and what has happened in Algeria, such as the massacres and killings in the name of Islam,1 has [sic] led many, when asked what the difference, in their view, was between Islam and Christianity, to declare: "Christianity is life, Islam is death."

" There’s no reason to think political bias skewed the ratings — the investigators were not looking at political orientation back then."

Surely...of course they weren't...and of course they expect us to take their word for it.

Ive been an investigator on several research projects.Published while i was with Columbia College of Physicians and Surgeons. This paper wouldnt even be allowed to be used as toilet paper. Pure Quakery.

#44 Mike C.

Pork piccata? I've had chicken piccata, but not pork piccata. Does it call for lemon juice?

Fun with statistics. Or, how to influence your peers without having to actually actually prove anything.

Ingredients:
1) take limited sample size from highly liberal area
2) add a dose of biases that cannot be simply screened out
3) throw in a jigger of conservative bashing
4) run statistical programs and voila!

Oh, and while we're at it, how come there isn't any study that delves into the notion that conservatives are liberals who have been mugged by reality or the related comment that people become more conservative as they age?

"And the girls are prettier too, and the boys are taller and stronger. Liberals also have perfect pitch, and can usually hum in 6 different languages."

Oh, and Malkin has a pretty good takedown of this as well.

#48 Chuck Pelto
TO: Zombie
RE: Spill It, Bro
...
All the gory details, please.

Unfortunately, I can't. Security reasons. Sad. I'd be able to blow this study out of the water, but in so doing I'd give a clue as to my identity.

Frustrating, but that's the price of paranoia.

#52 Fjordman
That tells you all you really need to know about Islam, All other beliefs are a threat to Islam 'cause Islam is pure unadulterated horseshit.

"Hanging loose"?!? FFS, who says that anymore?

#52 Fjordman

That makes me a little hopeful for the future (the conversions, that is).

Canadastani Prof: Berkeley Profs know that papers denigrating conservatives will get published, bringing fame and free drinks. Convicted criminals more likely to vote for Liberals. Liberals more likely to prove intellectual superiority by saying things that sound like Al Jazeera.

That's an amazing stretch of a conclusion,all the whiney crybaby,tattletails I went to school with turned into teste-less liberals.

All the self confident,all the athletes and all the rough,tough guys and gals became republicans.

I'll admit that late 50s/early 60s Delaware county,Ohio was not representative of the entire country,it was about 80% Republican.

Kinda looks like my "research" completely cancels out Jack Block's.

#60 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Aging hippies in Berkeley.

/far out, man

The ONLY truth I accept: if you're not a liberal in your teens/20s you have no heart; if you're not a conservative from then on you have NO BRAIN

Ven der liberals zay "Ve iss der master race"

Ve Heil

Heil

Heil

Right in der liberals face.

Apologies to Spike Jones

I'm still chuckling over Charles's ubermenschen crack. I can just imagine walking through Berkeley amid all those aging hippies and thinking "I'd better be careful, or one of these guys is going to kick my ass."

Laast night on a local public acccess channel showed a lecture from Oregon State University on the "science" of thinking globally!
It was the worst kind of pseudo science I've seen in a long time.
At on point they hooked up an "enlightened" student to an EKG and asked him to think globally and sure enough the EKG readout showed his "narrow mindedness" (the red line) went down and his "well being" (green line) went up. This is at a state university!
Unfourtunately I'm not hooked up to record stuff off tv so I have no tape of it.

i'm surprised their study didn't find that we're a bunch of repressed homosexuals too.

what a bunch of wackos.

Don’t Berkeley wacademics have better things to do than try to prove that “liberals” are genetically superior to “conservatives?”

Well, they would spend their time researching the Jewish stranglehold on America, but Harvard and the University of Chicago have that covered.

Berkeley "quackademics"..

Their biggest battles are to the front of the half-caf-latte chai line at Starbucks.

Man, I love Oreos. And I'm a conservative. Therefore, all conservatives love Oreos & all people who love Oreos are conservatives. Right? I mean, that what this assclown's "reasoning" boils down to, isn't it?

#16 FabioC. 3/22/2006 01:22PM PST
So I think, why I work 12 hours/day to get a PhD in chemical engineering?

I could have enrolled with some humanities department with a research project titled "Class and Gender Conflicts among the Italian-ethnic Migrants" and worked three days a week and laid a few babes for research purposes...

and turned into rigid young adults who hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with ambiguity

I wonder why we don't see that the whiney babies turned into.....

"rudderless young adults who violated every social norm of their culture by placing all forms of deviant sexual behavior on a pedestal and were uncomfortable with rules because of the guilt they felt when violating them"?

#70 SoCalJustice

Hmmm...then we must recalibrate the ZOG Mind Control Rays!

Back to work!

confident kids turned out liberal and were still hanging loose

How does one measure ones "hanging loose" ratio?

How much Pot does one smoke in an average week?

Number of jobs in a one year period?

Number of protests you participated in weekly?

For women, how many abortions in a one year period?

For men, how many times you've emasculated yourself for countless generations of male hegemony a week?

What a crock of shit.

Hm. Wasn't there a study published a couple years ago "proving" that conservatives are insane and so on?

I conducted a study that says Berkeley professors tend to have their heads up there asses.

writermom

What you're describing is their interior jihad. In the Starbucks line, the most they can muster are a few arched eyebrows and pained expressions of sympathy between the slighted.

Then they go take it all out on W.

Oh really?

Last time I checked, it wasn't conservatives looking for any possible way to label themselves as "victims" of society, Bush, the Man, right-wing Christians, or anything else.

And it sure takes a lot of determination, self-reliance and resiliance to convince yourself that government is the solution to all your problems.

Hurricane destroyed your home? The "confident, resilient, self-reliant," response is to complain that the Government is kicking you out of the hotel room you occupied for 4 months without looking for a job. Carting away the debris, picking up a damn hammer and a damn piece of lumber and rebuilding your home is evidently the "whiny, insecure" thing to do.

This "academic study" reminds me of nothing so much as Bart Simpson banging pots and pans and yelling, "I am so great! I am so great! Everybody loves me, I am so great!" Liberals will look for anything that justifies their self-superiority to conservatives, no matter how flimsy it is.

"And the study also shows conservative children have no rhythm, but liberal children can dance way better because of the hanging -loose factor."

Now that's what I call science.

Re: my #73....

Should have been....

I wonder why we don't see that the confident babies turned into.....

The study is a mess. You can't judge it's results without taking into account the cultural and political influences of the area that it was conducted in. You do this same exact study in Wichita and I'll bet that the results do not track at all. Would Block have published his results as he did if he had found that they weren't flattering to liberals?

#69 dcrocka:

Who is this "we" that you speak of, dcrocka? You're not one of us.

uncomfortable with ambiguity

LOL

That's ironic. I'm usually pro-ambiguity. But it varies from issue to issue.

Babies who don't get breast fed become whiny liberals who live in a negatively spun theoretical world and can't deal with reality.

#78 godfrey

Then they go take it all out on W. home and get beat down by their wives.

also reads well this way, yeah?

What's the opposite of "hanging loose"?

Sphincter-lock?

'Introspective' is good. The unexamined life is a tragedy and a waste!

Here's a subject for a study there Berkeley boy. I think this line is from NRO.

Prove or disprove this:

Tax contributers tend to be Republican

Tax consumers tend to be Democrats

"The study also concluded that conservatives use less toilet-paper, because they are anal-retentive, but use more hairspray, because of their need for control."

Liberals "hang loose" while conservatives "hang heavy".

pointed

Then they go take it all out on W. home and get beat down by their wives kids

Works this way, too.

Have I mentioned my study? It proves conclusively that swallowing human saliva in small amounts over a long period of time results in death in 100% of cases studied!

What am I?

In the 1960s I was a hippie and involved with SDS and the New Mobilization to End the War. I knew 2 of the Chicago 7 and met two others. I met members of the Weather Underground.

After 9-11, upset at what in our nation was under assault, I began to read widely in politics I never had considered before, from the Founding Fathers to Hayek, and much in between. Turns out this is closer to what I was believing in the 60s.

Where do I fit in the authors' rigid typology?

Mommas don't let your babies grow up to be gay cowboys!

#76 Patrick Chester

Hm. Wasn't there a study published a couple years ago "proving" that conservatives are insane and so on?

Yes. See writermom's link at #9.

Where I live, it's the exact opposite. The spoiled, whiny, rich kids with horible personalties are ALL liberal, anti -war know nothings. This kind of "research" proves nothing, except that liberals will search for any reason to make themselves feel superior to conservatives, since reality isnt helping them further their cause.

Good Grief! The guy's a flippin' Commie!

>>Paul Thomas
Professor of Political Science
Email: pt@socrates.berkeley.edu
Phone: (510) 642-4681
Office Location: 728 Barrows
Office Hours: W 2-4
Spring 2006 Course: PS118AC Three American Cultures: Jazz, Hollywood Cinema, and Border Music
Professor Thomas received his Ph.D. from Harvard University in 1973. He specializes in Marxism and Political Theory. His books include Karl Marx and the Anarchists (Routledge, 1980), Alien Politics: Marxist State Theory Retrieved (Routledge, 1994), Rational Choice Marxism (co-edited with Terrell Carver, Macmillan, 1995), and Culture and the State (co-authored with David Lloyd, Routledge, 1998). His numerous articles on Marx and Marxism include contributions to The Cambridge Companion to Marx and to the 1998 Socialist Register. He has also written on Rousseau, cinema and other socio-cutural themes. He is currently at work on a book called Scientific Socialism: Career of a Concept.

As Jonah Goldberg pointed out, it is the same thinking that liberals use to label those who may disagree with them on the political and social implications of gay marriage as "Homophobic," as if it's some form of mental illness.

Has this "professor" been booked on Air America to discuss his "research"? Sounds like a natural for the Jeannine Garafolo Power Hour.

#66 TotallySirius

I Zee U no Pennsylwania Dutch to naw Vunst. Ve should take zem behind ze Vood shet und give zem vhat ze bin askin fur. Zees yung kits zinc ze no everyzinc, but ze no Nuzinc.

Montaigne's Cat 93

Hey I think I sold you a oz of dirt weed back in 69, hope you're still not mad.

#93 montaigne's cat

Further evidence that today's conservatives are the true "liberals". And in this context, I mean liberals in a good way. (Liberty, equality, etc.)

#91 godfrey
lol...indeed it does!
now i'll be laughing about that the rest of the day, as people stare..
-dad, i need the keys to the volvo
-no son, it's time for you to study for your maxism final
-thwap, shut up bit*h, give me the keys.

#93 M's Cat

"What am I?"

Um, I'd say a grown-up. I know it's harsh, but nevertheless. :)

He is currently at work on a book called Scientific Socialism: Career of a Concept.

***Spoiler Alert***

The actual career was short-lived.

#78 godfrey

LOL! The itjihad...

I'm such an expert!

Another one of the many egregious ways in which this study is fundamentally flawed:

What counted as "liberal" in the early '60s was completely different from what counts as "liberal" today. In order to have "become a conservative" from then to now, all you needed to have done is remain the same.

George Bush is a veritable pansy-ass progressive compared to JFK.

Just look at the Cuban Missile Crisis. Now THAT was a hard-as-nails bit of international relations. But it counted as liberal back then.

Imagine how JFK would deal with Iran in 2006. It would make the Cuban Missile Crisis look like a picnic in the park.

But Bush, who is more passive and forgiving than JFK, is considered a "conservative."

They've moved the goalposts so far to the left, the definition means nothing any more, especially when you are comparing to the early '60s.

Maybe the whiney kids where whiney because they have higher standards and thus see more to whine about. Maybe the mellow kids were mellow because their moms were potheads.

I just had a liberal colleague tell me today that Barak Obama is our future president. I said, you liberals just keep trotting out these unelectable candidates, please.

Let's round out the scene:

- thwap, shut up bit*h, give me the keys.
- Speaking truth to power... I can't argue with you there. Here you go, but be home by eleven!
- F*** you!
- Honey!?

#80 mamma winger

conservative children have no rhythm

OMG! Killing myself laughing! Truly one of the funniest comments on this thread.

/makes mental note to check own children's rythym tonight, gotta get the right tunes happening

On the other hand I believe it was Churchill that said:

"If you are not a liberal at 21 you have no heart. And if you are not a conservative at 41 you have no brains".

Of course there are exceptions in the nursery school and in the old folks home.

Only in Berkeley would they do such a study. Start with a premise and shoehorn the study to fit the premise. It's worthless.

#89 mama

LOL

Does that mean that the plastic haired talking heads of the antique media are really closet Republicans?

Bwahahahahaha

#82 i most certainly am. didn't you get the memo?

As a couple noted above, the area you grow up in has a bigger effect then anything else.

When I was 4, I didn't have political opinions. Those were developed from 7th grade on.

If I lived in Berkeley with lefty parents and a lefty school and had no exposure to intellectual diversity, I could be a LLL.

You take a Berkeley 4 year old, move him/her to a conservative city and a conservative family....you get the idea.

#106 zombie

Good point. Today's left has no sane remnants. A democrat in the 60s was an entirely different creature.

jehu #100

Nah, Man, it was smooth. BTW, the people I knew back then who went to Afghanistan, went for the hash.

So are these babies conservatives with no rythym, or liberals who 'hang loose' (I'm assuming it's their diapers that are loose.)

Drudge is carring a story that Afgan courts may call the christian convert.. insane so they can drop the charges.. so christians and conservatives will be branded nuts.. and liberals and muslims will be the sane.. God can't get that funny in his dreams.

#82 Jheka
The study is a mess. You can't judge it's results without taking into account the cultural and political influences of the area that it was conducted in. You do this same exact study in Wichita and I'll bet that the results do not track at all. Would Block have published his results as he did if he had found that they weren't flattering to liberals?

See my comment #42 above. You are exactly right.

#58 zombie

I'm sure you could send some useful facts to a sympathetic journalist (Michelle Malkin comes to mind) who could write up a good fisking of the "study".

I do understand the need for a low profile, given the local anarchists & moonbats are now photgraphing each other in an attempt to find out which one of them? is you?

Meanwhile, I know this is the real you!

Applied academics from those who conduct puke-ins.

_{/it's all pinko on the inside}

Oh really? At what age do the confident ones turn into the substance-abusing, moonbat slackers of adulthood? Isn't that what "hanging loose non-conformists" is code for? But at least they feel good about themselves.

Good point. Today's left has no sane remnants. A democrat in the 60s was an entirely different creature.

I know a Democrat who is always ranting on about something. Two quotes by him in one rant:

"John Kennedy was one of the best Presidents ever. If he wasn't killed, just think how much better off the country would be."

"Joe Liebermann? The guys an idiot. He's just a right wing Republican in disguise."

He didn't get the irony that those two leaders have many of the same idea's about how the country should be run.

#106 Zombie

The current day Libs would like the 90% top Federal Tax Rate Kennedy cut, I guess he was balancing the budget on the backs of poor.

#106 zombie

As Reagan said, "I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party moved to the left of me."

#109 godfrey
lol..now that's a sitcom i'd watch!

Strictly anecdotal, not scientific at all. But my daughter was the most fretful, crying, whiny baby that ever was. There was not a happy moment in that baby's day. I finally took her to the pediatrician and he did some very simple behavioral tests. He told me that her problem was that her brain was on a faster track then her body. Therefore, she was constantly frustrated because she physically could not do the things her bright little mind wanted to do.

As she got older, she became much happier as she was able to interact more with toys and objects and nature. She became a delightful conservative, very smart.

I noticed all the big fat passive happy babies were rather dumb. :)

Jack Black, he's great..I love all of his movies.

Oh, wait..Jack Block...sorry.

Berkeley? I was going through there, my old town, a few weeks ago at mid-morning on a Sunday. Just a few blocks away from the central and tweedy bistros, the town is ever more taking on a Third World, down-at-heels appearance: More than a bit of rubbish, a few scavenging street people, and the store fronts give off the air of impermanence, as though one night the fabric sign of one will come down and a new owner put up his own, to sell more imported trinkets or whatever. Utopia ---> Dystopia.

#99 Widow's

Ve haff zum Dutch menonites near here.

I love their accents,could talk to them all day.

I don't try the accent,it would be insulting(not to mention I would be aweful).

Of course conformity is a matter of perspective and possibly geography, at least in this case, so conformity in the context of Berkeley is to LLLism, which explains all the whiney protests that come out of there, by whiney college students and sixties retreads who refuse to grow up. Or is it conforming to non-conformity or some such nonsense.

What it really reflects is the LLL conviction that their views represent self-evident truth and that anyone who disagrees with them is prima facie deranged, insane, stupid, etc... Smacks of the Soviets declaring those that opposed communism to be mentally unstable and locking them away in mental hospitals.

The superior intellect and morality of the LLLers must explain all the wild conspiracy theories they subscribe to these days, the hysterical name calling, etc...

Grain of Truth? Perhaps even "progressives" can stumble on something. I'm very conservative and would probably be considered a problem child in my youth. So, as an "unsuccessful" adult, I got degrees in Math, Physics, and EE (PHD), was a USAF test pilot, and did countless things that Hillary, Bill and all of the journalism idiots couldn't begin to qualify for. Were I a good child with strong self confidence, I could have 1) cheated at Harvard, 2) killed a woman by driving drunk, 3) flunked bar exams, 4) run into a tree whilst skiing, and 5) crashed a plane that essentially flies itself....and I'm just starting with the Kennedy spasmos....

May progressives be forced to live in a world where only deconstruction science is conducted. I hope they enjoy their wood fire...and burnt offerings.

After which Dr. Block added: "it is also a know fact that these Republican babies had rounder heads and more protruding noses. The study showed that they also had smaller eyes and flatter feet. It is our duty to make this society free of...hmm, maybe we could pass them out free cupons to the saunas that I have personally built?"

/move along, nothing to see here.

I'd like them to do a study on city leadership party affiation and crime in the city.

Detroit and Gary are the two most liberal cities in the country based on a recent study.

Here in Minnesota, the very liberal city of Minneapolis is taking on the title of "little Mogadishu" as Somalian street gangs have gun battles in various neighborhoods.

#130 TotallySirius

Grew up in Lancaster County Pa, now live in Berks. My sister and I still talk Dutchie to each other, people probably think we were whiny babies or Zumzinc.

gotta go get my 8 year old wine-o daughter.

God bless

TO: Da Coyote
RE: Bring On the Dancing Druids

"May progressives be forced to live in a world where only deconstruction science is conducted. I hope they enjoy their wood fire...and burnt offerings." -- Da Coyote

Indeed. And when the 'loose hanging' young men can no longer get their computers to run, because they've forgotten the tech, we'll be all so much the better off.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

i'm surprised their study didn't find that we're a bunch of repressed homosexuals too.

I know that I haven't had a date since my DP and I broke up (and she cleaned out the joint checking account), but I'd hardly call myself repressed.

DEPRESSED, maybe. (ahem) FRUSTRATED, definately.

LOL

OT: The nic is now emblazoned upon the license plate frame of the purple Grand Voyager "FTmobile". Seattle-area Lizards may catch it on I-5 or in Tacoma.

#135 Widow'sMight

Grew up in Lancaster County Pa, now live in Berks

wow, that was a huge move...j/k ; )

I haven't read the study so I don't feel like commenting on it. But it sounds like the narrative of this has already been written and will be memed throughout the popular consciousness despite the acutal data:

"Wimply little crybabies grow up to be stupid mean conservatives. Precocious, well-adjusted darlings grow up to be open minded, intelligent, pillars of humanity."

Nyyaaa! Nyyaaa! Take that all you poopie-face conservatives! See, we ARE better than you!

The confident kids turned out liberal and were still hanging loose, turning into bright, non-conforming adults with wide interests.

So now its been proved: liberals are just cooler people. How juvenile.

BTW

Office Hours: W 2-4
Spring 2006 Course: PS118AC Three American Cultures: Jazz, Hollywood Cinema, and Border Music

must be nice to teach only one class a term, for perhaps 3 hours, of course he is avilable for "office hours" every Wednesday afternoon.

I took a film course once, the professor would lecture for the first 30 minutes and then show a movie. A pretty easy gig.

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Then in shuffles Starhawk the Mom, all 350 lbs. of scowling muscle, who shouts:

- Who the f*** ate all the fried tofu!

#36 (Chuck)

Gasp! I must admit that you have a point!

Of course, remember that the prime constituant of poor computer performance was brought to us by a Harvard dropout who 1) never created anything in his life, 2) bought something pretty neat and turned it onto something pretty crummy, 3) has a company with a long and distinguished record of never coming up with anything really good (save for Solitare) and 4) interestingly enough...is...wait for it....a liberal.

Hanging loose? My sophomore year of college I had an aging hippie douchebag liberal moron gym teacher who got fired the same year because he didn't wear any underwear while hanging loose.

PS maybe hanging loose would explain the saline ball implants?

Oops...#36 should be #136.

Darned Microsoft...changed my numbers right in front of my eyes. :)

Chances are he grew up to be a conservative.

But if he didn't grow up, he's a liberal, probably writing specious research papers.

There’s no reason to think political bias skewed the ratings...

Hands down, the funniest f***ing part of the article. "You may think I'm biased, but I'm not, so, uh, there."

The confident kids turned out liberal and were still hanging loose...with energizing careers in the food service and retail music industries.

#141 godfrey
roflmao! much too appropriate.
-but honey, i thought you wanted the wheat grass instead.
-thwap, shut up b*tch, make me another fruit smoothie.

129 Nuovo Record - I went to Berkeley in the 80s. I live just north of campus now. You're right. Berkeley is great if you are around Solano Ave with all the great shops and restaurants. Downtown is still the student ghetto it's always been. Berkeley city officials are constantly whining about the lack of downtown shopping. At the same time, they do everything they can to discourage businesses who actually want to open there from being able to do so. No chains. No "big box" stores. So, like all rational people, everyone shops elsewhere. There is now a huge 2-story Target in Albany because Berkeley turned it down. Berkeley is now bitching abou the traffic. Fourth St is now a wonderful upscale shopping district. The Lefties fought it tooth and nail for years, but it got built. It now supplies 25% of Berkeley's tax revenue. Leftie government in action. And yes, Peoples Park is still sitting there, full of druggies and street people while students complain of no dorm rooms. Cal could easily build a couple of 15 story dorm towers there. Some things never change.

Junk science at it's finest.

CHARLES

Cleanup on Aisle #19, Aisle #38?

Think about it.

---

Z, WTF were you thinking? Mail me for details.

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But there's a twist: the son needs the (hybrid) car to go pick up his girlfriend, who is a cheerleader science major and a Republican. Starhawk is on the scent, though. Complications ensue.

OT...

I am personally appalled with the Abdul Rahman "trial" that is taking place in Afghanistan. I have contacted the Afghan Embassy, the WH, and State demanding that this man be released. I posted several phone numbers and e-mail addresses at LGF yesterday for those inclined to let their voices be heard. However, to hear certain "To Hell with Them Hawks" (THWH) wax poetic about how concerned they are for the fate of Mr. Rahman strikes me as disingenuous at best. For ex., today THWH club member Andy McCarthy over at NRO states that "we are reaping what we sow". Yet for the last month, McCarthy and his pals WFB and John Derbyshire have lectured us that unless national security is involved (ie capturing/killing terrorists, foiling terrorist plots, securing WMD), it is not in the best interests of the US to involve itself with other such matters of foreign policy. They went on to state that ensuring "democracy" and "free elections" for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan were not valid enough reasons to stay the course in either country. Mr. Rahman's case is a terrible travesty of justice, and an indictment of Islamic intolerance. However, it is not a matter of national security. So, my question for Andy and all other THWH's, why the sudden concern for one mans plight?

ahhh quit yer whining! Bunch of cry babies. Go drink yer bottle`~`

/shuck 'n jive mode off ;)

No but seriously folks, the articles here are great. Luckily I found some links to this site which openly discuss the immigration bill. No doubt there are intelligent people here with good reasons.

Imagine if Paul Revere went galloping down the road shouting "wake up!", and the town-folk said "Shadup or we'll tar and feather you!" and went back to sleep.

Well I fired a warning flare to freerepublic.com and they zott-ed me [Link: alipac.us...]

Since warfare is a topic of discussion here:

In ye days of old, a knight might carry a sword, but effective counter weapon was a "net", which when thrown could entange the knight in armour. If you've ever sparred, you know that there are those who make quick stabbing moves, while others are slower with a sort of roundhouse or grapping approach.

Notice that islam is like that "net" or slow moving grappler. We know that Europe is practically lost to islam due to unchecked immigration and suicidal political correct doctrine. Europistan is caught in the spider-web, cought in a choke hold while the enemy multiplies. Yet here in America, we stand on the brink of islamization, by following Europe's lead, having not learned out lessons. Massive waves of illegals with no allegiance to America are being waived by the law, while America is being auctioned off globally, military industrial complex and all.

So while valiant and well meaning Americans fight wars in the east, the "net" is flung upon America, as in Eurabia-istan. I am afraid that they have already won, I am the one whining and crying now. The war seems irrelevant when the enemy can walk in through the kitchen door and sit down in your living room. you can win the battle and loose the war. So don't come whining and crying to me when you learn to brush up on your Spanish, gringos. Oh well, tequilla it is then!

I wouldn't risk your scorn here unless I was genuinely concerned, that is I feel like we've basically lost by allowing the Trojan Horse [Link: www.pantheon.org...] of immigration to breach our gates.

Carpe Diem.

ps I consider myself "conservative" and there is nothing wrong with being whiny or crying, that is what babies do. It is a form of communication. Perhaps a study should be done as to the intelligence of those babies, and how much more powerful they are as adults than the silent dumb ones. ;)

O/T:

EUROPEANS DONATING BLOOD MONEY TO IRAQ INSURGENTS

#150 godfrey
son: you can't make me stop seeing her, we're in love
hippie parents: you're too young to know what that is, look at your mom and me
son: well i love jenna and she's carrying my baby
hippie parents: jenna? her name is jenna?
son: yes, jenna bush and we are getting married
/cue commercial for walmart

rigid young adults who hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with ambiguity.

I was unambiguously ridged as a young man when it came to traditional gender roles. Those were the days.

Heres yer "poster child" for the liberal baby caught in the process of "hanging loose".

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LOL You've got the hang of it! All it needs now is laugh-track insertions.

/out

Ambiguity like right vs wrong, good vs. evil, etc...

The problem is that they see ambiguity even where there is none. Because they cannot deal with reality.

How about the smelly kid?

Or the one who ate his boogers?

THOSE were surely the liberals.

#5 Chicken Kiev

He is currently at work on a book called Scientific Socialism: Career of a Concept.

When I was a student in political economy at Moscow University in the 70s, "Scientific Communism" was one of the required courses (the other, and almost as hilarious was "Scientific Atheism"). Because attendance was mandatory, in the back rows of the lecture hall, people were playing "sea battle", doing homework for other subjects and occasionally telling jokes. The popular joke of the time went as follows:

Q: How do we know that Scientific Communism is not really a science?

A: In real empirical sciences, they first try it on mice...

True AP headline right now:

Clinton vows to block bill criminalizing illegal immigrants

By BETH FOUHY
AP Political Writer

And it gets better...

"It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scriptures," Clinton said, "because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself."

sHillary is quoting "the Scriptures" to make her point. I think she should use the work "Bible" and see how that plays with the MoveOn crowd.

#157 godfrey
i'll get to work on the pilot...lol
night all.

#149 haakondahl

Is there something you find objectionable re: #19 & #38?

Oh please tell me he spent millions of taxpayers dollars doing his little survey. Next he needs to do a study on why his laid-back liberal uberkids turn into whiny pin-headed moonbats.............

TO: Da Coyote
RE: Curse You, Red Baron...er...Bill Gates!

"Darned Microsoft...changed my numbers right in front of my eyes." -- Da Coyote

I understand they're working on a psycho-ceramic chip that can read minds and project a ray that will alter what you intended to type into something that will confuse whoever reads it. It's activated when the chip detects thoughts that are contrary to the business interests of Microsoft.

Looks like, as usual, it's not very effective....

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Psychoceramics, the study of crack-pots.]

#127 mama winger: My daughter was exactly the same. She was a cranky little thing until she could crawl and walk. She demanded constant attention and needed to be interacting with her environment as much as possible. She's now an extremely bright student at a good college and, of course, a good conservative.

"It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scriptures," Clinton said

My Bible-readin's a little shaky, could somebody point me to the part of "the Scriptures" that talks about illegal aliens?

Typical conservative movies are "Raising Arizona", "Patton",

Hm. Not sure about either of those being "conservative" movies (although I think both are very good movies).

Raising Arizona is premised on the idea of red state America being unsophisticated hicks. (It's also hilarious, btw).

Patton was rather brilliantly ambiguous in not quite showing its cards: Was it the story of a brilliant, gutsy general who knew how to fight a war and beat Hitler, or a delusional megalomaniac who cared not a whit about sacrificing other men's lives for his own glory? Etc. (Personally, I think it was mostly about the former, although recognized that great generals i) are often arrogant pricks and ii) sort of HAVE TO view their men as possibly-expendable chess pieces, if they expect to win the war)

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#170 Occasional Reader
Can't help you there. I'm still searching for the sections that detail the "right to choose" and "singler-payer health insurance."

Of course they are Whining. They see that they are going to have to grow up in Berkeley surrounded by smelly hippies and trustafarians.

Anyone with half a brian would Whine too.

#177

"Now pinch hitting for....

Now pinch hitting for....

Now pinch hitting for...."

#46 TimK

Conservatives go to school, get a job or start a business, buy a house, get married, raise children and don't have time to protest much of anything.
Liberals spend more time in school trying to find themselves, become school teachers and want to be considered professionals.

Nice one-two punch TimK.

Conservatives are the bedrock of our society precisely because they usually conform to social norms and the rule of law. They are too busy being productive members of society and (gasp) making money to participate in activities that threaten the social fabric.

Oh sure there are some neo-Nazi/KKK types that blame everyone but themselves for the fact that they can't get the job they want, etc., but I'm not talking about the fringes.

Liberals love social work, non-profit organizations (excluding churches) and community activism. It makes them feel less guilty about whatever success they have obtained in life.

It also affords them the opportunity to participate in rent-a-mob protests at the drop of a hat. It is hard for your supervisor to say that you cannot go to the protest when they are one of the organizers.

As far as the study goes here's my "proof" that liberals are bigger whiners: did you ever have to tell a conservative to "grow up" or "get a life"?

"Hanging loose" brought us the infestation of drugs, STDs, multiculturalism, judicial activism and a host of other maladies. Yeah hippie I know, I'm not cool....

Man, I should get out of the biological sciences and get into this stuff if publishing in the this field is so easy...

*sighs*. I wish I could find the original study. Somebody on another blog said it could be found on [Link: www.sciencedirect.com,...] but I couldn't find it there or on PubMed.

What I'd really like to know is if this was funded by a government grant. If this "study" was funded by an NIH or NSF grant somehow, any idiot that I hear whining about "we don't have funding to study so-and-so", I'm going to shove this study in their face and tell them that the NIH or NSF shouldn't waste money funding studies such as this. Why the hell should we have reviewers of grants if stuff like this gets through?

OR

Remind me to buy you a beer sometime.

Wonder what they think libertarians were like as kids...er wait I know I was one and I grew up to be a libertarian.

How do they explain my freeclimbing Seneca Rocks on a moonlight night while tripping, then proceeding to vote for Ronald Reagan two months later?

Question: Did they do a survey on what the political preferences were of whiny adults?

Can the taxpayers ask for their money back on this wasteful study? That would be fair.

Screw professor Twiddle and deceased Mrs Dum, Im still whiney and still enjoy getting rigid when needed! Ya don't think Im going to beg for some "ambiguity" when in the mood do you? Humbug Liberal!

#187 Crimsonfisted

I'm not sure if the money could be somehow refunded (if it was from a grant) - I don't know how such a procedure would work.

#160 ymeagain

You were quite the wild child in university!:) Maybe you could explain how we were not, as far as I know, 'whiny babies', yet we are I would guess, best described as conservative, to put it mildy?

Sounds like this article is a little bit of junk science; looking at my 4? The one who whinged the most, the only girl? L³ to the max, as well as the second son. However the one who is by far the best behaved is also (*gasp*) a liberal to the max..#4? A character, and no one knows what he thinks re politics, as he just sits back and referees the politicl battles when we are all here, and pulls 1 brother out of the room, as he cares the 2 little ones, one of whom is his.

My husband and I were both dhummies, but we grew up very quickly when Jimmah was President, and left the party of the loony left..and registered as Republicans when President Bush ran in the first primary.it was almost like becoming Bar and Bat Mitzvah in our early 60's.:)

And you know what a non-conformist I am...Soros probably financed the 'study' under an alias.

“The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals. ...”

Can the babbling liberal baboons at Berkeley make it any clearer how far gone they are? Probably not but I’m sure they’ll try. Liberals are so insecure that they need to convince themselves through a laughable “study” that they are “confident, resilient and self-reliant” instead of the obvious liberal qualities of ignorance, drug induced, morally befuddled, historically clueless, spineless and intellectually bankrupt.

You can probably judge libturds by the company they keep.

Let’s take a look at libturd constituents:

High school dropouts: libturds

Drug addicts: libturds

Vast majority of welfare recipients: libturds

Sexual predators and pedophiles: libturds

Communist/socialist “professors”: libturds

Islamofascist bootlickers: libturds

Convicts: libturds

Hollywood idiots: libturds

Your average slacker living off his parents like a parasite past the age of 21: libturd

turned into rigid young adults who hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with ambiguity.

Translation: Self-confident young adults who were comfortable with themselves and and their lives and were uncomfortable with wishy-washy, confused people who could not tell the difference between right and wrong.

turned out liberal and were still hanging loose, turning into bright, non-conforming adults with wide interests. The girls were still outgoing, but the young men tended to turn a little introspective.

Translation: Unhappy malcontents who had a hard time functioning in society, and had gender role confusion, resulting in shrieky, angry women and miserable, emasculated, men lacking in self-confidence and strength of conviction.

This kind of ties into a post I made at LGC yesterday. L³iberals really believe that their little Moonbat hothouses are the real America, and all us hicks in Flyover country should just shut up and get with the program.

It is actually a very authoritarian attitude. G-d help this country if they ever take power again.

Kind of have to define what is meant by "whiny".

To that group of liberal kooks, asking if communism was proven to work anywhere, is whiny. So is wanting to enclose your brests in a bra...whiny. Not being open enough to inflate your scrotum to a large tatooed world globe with the "pointer" sitting at the center of the Universe--Berkeley...whiny. Thinking that the money you make should belong to you...whiny.

Hence, in a world with idiots, being whiny ain't all that bad.

#176 Occasional Reader

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DUN DUN DUN -- DUNNNN!

DUN DUN DUN -- DUNNNN!

#189 mitthrawnurdo
I guess I was thinking more in terms of making this couple more accountable and responsible. If the money came from their own pocket (in part) perhaps they would be more accurate and scientific in their methods.

My question was rhetorical, but somehow it seems to me he owes the taxpayers something.

I was also thinking of that ONE GUY who keeps suing San Diego to remove the cross on hill. He keeps losing. He has cost the taxpayers hundreds of thousands if not more, so why not foot the bill? You brought a lousy lawsuit or in this case, an unfounded scientific premise, it is faulty, now pay up.

#196 Crimsonfisted

I can't speak for the field of psycharity, but for the core sciences, researchers that get grants from the government (such as from agencies like NIH [National Institutes of Health] or NSF [National Science Fountation]) need to get them reviewed by other researchers in their field and approved before they get the money.

That's why I'm curious to see if this work got such a grant.

I have been wondering why there are no real studies about the psychological profiles of liberals and conservatives, but I found this. More of a sociological study, but interesting.

I still say we need psychological profiles.

#198 Ann

I still say we need psychological profiles.

I would be interested to hear how (like me) who have left the Dark Side. I know what flipped my switch (moorewatch.com which lead me here) but what turns people from one side to the other?

TO: Ann
RE: TARGET! CEASE FIRE!

"'....[kids who] turned out liberal and were still hanging loose, turning into bright, non-conforming adults with wide interests. The girls were still outgoing, but the young men tended to turn a little introspective.' -- article cited by Ann

Translation: Unhappy malcontents who had a hard time functioning in society, and had gender role confusion, resulting in shrieky, angry women and miserable, emasculated, men lacking in self-confidence and strength of conviction." -- Ann

Ooouuuuch....

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[If you had a life in the first place, you'll never have a mid-life crisis. -- cbpelto]

TO: CrimsonFisted
RE: What Hoopened?

"...what turns people from one side to the other?" -- CrimsonFisted

How old are you?

Myelination of the brain into it's full adult form does not complete until around age 30.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[I get the attention of 20-something with the phrase, "Hey! You! Almost an adult." -- cbpelto]

P.S. It's akin to what I heard as a second lieutenant, "Hey! You! Almost an officer...."

#199 Crimsonfisted

I've noticed that few people go from conservative to liberal as they age -- it seems many times more go from liberal to conservative.

I've always thought that had something to do with the fact that with age comes experience, maturity, and wisdom. If people change, it is likely because they outgrow liberalism. Unfortunately, some never do (how infantile does one have to be to inflate one's scrotum?)....

#5 Chicken Kiev:

Wow! I never knew Groucho Marx could write all that stuff...even while doing all those jokes!

"Excuse me while I get out of this wet suit and into a dry martini...and into a little essay about the conflict between the bourgoisie and the proletariat."

Me? I grew up resilient, confident, and self-sufficient - and that's because I was an independent being, not some snotty prep school kid who tried to beg off from dissecting a frog.

TO: christheprofessor
RE: Experience

"...I've always thought that had something to do with the fact that with age comes experience, maturity, and wisdom." -- christheprofessor

As one general officer who was addressing the assembled classes at Benning School for Boys put it....

Good judgement is based on experience. Experience is based on bad judgement.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[You can learn more from doing something wrong once, than you can from doing it right ten times.]

P.S. The problem is surviving doing it wrong once....

#181 Kaboomboom 3/22/2006 03:38PM PST

#46 TimK

Conservatives go to school, get a job or start a business, buy a house, get married, raise children and don't have time to protest much of anything.
Liberals spend more time in school trying to find themselves, become school teachers and want to be considered professionals.

Nice one-two punch TimK.

Conservatives are the bedrock of our society precisely because they usually conform to social norms and the rule of law. They are too busy being productive members of society and (gasp) making money to participate in activities that threaten the social fabric.

Regarding our church community, a friend once remarked that the conservatives are the unpaid workers in the diocese.

I'm a teacher. 16 years experience.

I observe that the whiny, wimpy kids lean liberal. The self-reliant, confident ones lean conservative.

-Also-
...parents who bother to raise their children and pay attention to them create better students. Mainstreaming sucks. Most teachers have a liberal agenda...

But you knew all of that anyway.

I don't remember being 'whiny'. And I was a lib for awhile. But does it matter? It is clear that Liberals are whiny adults and conservatives are confident and cheeful adults. He who laughs last has the last laugh. :)

#204, #205 Chuck Pelto

Very true. Is it your experience also that more people change from lib to conservative than conservative to lib? Just curious...

Although not a study, the best writing on the subject of why some people lean to the left and others to the right is Thomas Sowell's excellent book A Conflict of Visions.

One of the reviewers at Amazon sums up Sowell's thesis pretty well:

His thesis is that conservatism has a tradition of operating by a vision of humans that sees them as 'constrained.' Some characteristics of this view are:

(1) Humans have generally selfish natures.
(2) Human reason, while valuable, is quite limited.
(3) Because of this, society grows by evolution, not central deliberate planning.
(4) Social decisions generally involve not 'solutions' but 'trade-offs' (how much good for how much downside?)
(5) Procedural fairness, rather than results-based fairness, is the key to a just society.

Conversely, Sowell writes that the liberal tradition operates on a vision of humankind that is 'unconstrained.' Features include:

(1)Human selfishness is a quality that can be overcome by reason and education.
(2) Human reason, when used properly, can trump human impulses, emotions, and feelings.
(3)The planned society is best. Non-planned societies = chaos.
(4) While policy trade-offs might be a good short term solution, reason can discover true solutions that are equitable to all.
(5)Procedural fairness is not fair so long as disperate outcomes result.

A Conflict of Visions is a great book and I have no doubt that Professors Jack and Jeanne Block have never read it.

Hmmm. As a conservative, I'm feeling rather "rigid" this evening. I think I'll "hang loose", fire up a doob and chase it with four or five shots.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Mr. Block.

#202 christheprofessor
It felt like I was in the Wizard of OZ and walked out of the sepia tones to color, and I could hear the angels heralding "Hallelujah! Hallelujah!" seeing life from this perspective. Too bad I can't bring the family with me. They still live in Sepia Land.

147 Scott in East Bay

Downtown Berkeley wasn't always a student ghetto. When I did my undergraduate work there, downtown, both Shattuck and Telegraph, had a lot of classy stores, and people would come from neighboring cities to shop. You didn't have to step over people and other stuff then. That era is decades gone.

Actually I was the kid who beat the crap out of the whiny kids.
There goes that theory.

Id like to see a psychological study of people who need to manufacture pre-ordained psychological study results to affirm their worldviews.

Can you say insecure?

Can you say delusional?

Can you say "someone has a problem with themselves"?

Berkeley. No alarms goin' off there. LOL

I wake up "rigid" almost every morning.

Typical of the sort who think wearing a
"buck fush" t-shirt is the same as Hungerian youths facing off soviet tanks, etc.

#210 Ringo the Gringo

Thomas Sowell's intelligence and sagacity are astounding. It's a damn shame that because he is black and conservative, the media essentially ignore him (they treat us instead to Al Sharpton)....

#212 Crimsonfisted

I hear you. I've been conservative since my mother was pregnant with me. My sister is somewhat moonbatty -- she voted for Skerry...

Most of the conservatives I know were liberals in the 60s and 70s; pot-smokin', draft dodgin' lefties. I know, I was one of them, at least for a while.

I did serve a tour in Vietnam but came back and voted for McGovern in '72 and (God forgive me) Carter in '76. I saw the light in '80 and voted for Reagan and I've been "hanging loose" ever since.

This Berkeley study is a worthless piece of bum wad, as scientific as a Wiccan seance.

#214 bombarafat

Actually I was the kid who beat the crap out of the whiny kids.

You committed moonbattery?

Waaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Conservatives seem to have been getting elected more often. Wonder if the fact they we don;t look to the UN or other liftist types but rather to the foundign fathers.

TO: christheprofessor
RE: Flip-Flops

"Is it your experience also that more people change from lib to conservative than conservative to lib? Just curious..." -- christheprofessor

I've not seen many go from conservative to liberal after they have reached the age of 30.

I'm sure they must be around somewhere. But, I'll wager they are like reformed smokers in their vehemence. Like that defrocked Roman Catholic priest who was a facilitator at my [Fortune - 100] corporate 'Divesity' «nudge-nudge, wink-wink» training, some years ago.

Talk about a man with 'issues'.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

TO: Sean
RE: Where....

"I'm a teacher. 16 years experience.

I observe that the whiny, wimpy kids lean liberal. The self-reliant, confident ones lean conservative." -- Sean

...do you teach? Doesn't sound like it's anyplace like Berkeley.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

I imagine that the Berkeley professors that wrote this "study" would say that all of you are proving their point....just listen to all of you, whinning and complaining...can't you guys just hang?

Liberals in Berkeley are prefectly normal - well adjusted, centered human beings.

[Link: www.zombietime.com...]

At least, he did if he was one of 95 kids from the Berkeley area that social scientists have been tracking for the last 20 years

How many red flags are there in that sentence?

Red flag #1: "kids from the Berkeley area"

Red flag #2 "social scientists"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

#225 Ringo

I imagine that the Berkeley professors that wrote this "study" would say that all of you are proving their point....just listen to all of you, whinning and complaining...can't you guys just hang?

Sure. Pass the doob...

#225 Ringo the Gringo

I imagine that the Berkeley professors that wrote this "study" would say that all of you are proving their point....just listen to all of you, whinning and complaining...can't you guys just hang?

I thought I was just hanging with the lizards and lizardettes? I'm not?

Yeah, and sooner or later liberals (if they don't succumb to various manifestations of Darwin's theory) grow up to be conservatives.

D. Edgren

#190 NYNana

I dunno. Out of my 2, the older one is pretty conservative, but in a detached, intellectual kind of way; he never made his politics clear to his friends while in school. He was also not a whiny kid at all. The other one who, on occasion, still is a whiny Drama Queen, is a die-hard conservative and she makes no bones about it. Must be the effect of having to countenance Stephen Walt's kid for a classmate...

An old friend who actually sent me the link to this "article" before I saw it on LGF, wrote in a comment: "Even if whiny kids did by and large turn out to be conservatives, the question would remain: So what? Not everything is psychology, although psychologists understandably tend to lose sight of this fact. Truth is more important than the personalities of the people who discover it, or don't." I can't agree more.

Well, if conservatives start out whiney (which is bull) - we all know who ends up whiney.

Liberal adults are the most whiney people on the planet.

#230 D. Edgren

Heh. See my #202, pls....

Anyone ever met a kid that wasnt whiny?

#216 Ringo the Gringo

Here's some juvenile gossip, capped of with a little juvenile humor:

I watch CNNi because it's what we have over here in Japanlandia. I do get to see the American Morning show, so I am familiar with how desperately, globally broadcast as an advertisement, pleadingly, SINGLE a certain Carol Costello (O she of the fading plastic surgery) really is. You should watch her sometimes; she's SO shopping for a man.

Yesterday, I watched a segment on Mt. Ararat and the "anomaly" purported to be Noah's Ark. She closed a discussion by noting, "Now that's some long-lasting wood!"

218 hristheprofessor,

they treat us instead to Al Sharpton

Ahh yes, he never whines or complains.

COMPARE AND CONTRAST

WHINY OR NOT WHINY?

Hillary Clinton
Madeline Albright
Joe Biden
John Edwards
Al Gore
Al Franken
Susan Sarandon
Barbara Streisand
Sean Penn
Jeanine Garafolo
Cindy Sheehan

George W. Bush
Ronald Reagan
Donald Rumsfeld
Condaleeza Rice
Dick Cheney
Bill Bennett
Bob Dole
Antonin Scalia

#218 ctp

I hear you. I've been conservative since my mother was pregnant with me. My sister is somewhat moonbatty -- she voted for Skerry...

Sounds similar to my familial situation. My sister had always leaned pretty far left, even though we were both raised in a conservative household. About 4 years ago, she started listening to Rush on her lunch hour, ostensibly to hear what the enemy was thinking. One day about a year ago, we were chatting politics and she said to me "Looking back on it, I can't believe what I fell for all that (liberal) crap!" True story.

#233 chris:

I think I've said before that great minds think alike.

Me though, anymore I just react...I'll read the rest of the thread next time. Useta do that, I don't know what's up lately.

Regards.

D. Edgren

Crimsonfisted,

Do I really have to point out when I'm being sarcastic?

Dude, you're too rigid.

#238 Cartman

Well, there is hope. I've noticed that my sister, also raised in a conservative household, does say some conservative things on occasion these days. She's a child of the 60s (SUNY-Stony Brook, 1968-1972).... I'm hoping she'll finish the conversion, if it is indeed happening, sometime in the near future. One more conservative vote, one less liberal....

#239 D. Edgren

I scan up some when I come on -- it's hard to try to keep up with the gist of the current discussion (even on topic) while trying to read these long threads....

haakondahl,

Thanks, now I have a new pet-name: Noah's Ark!

....I'll inform the wife this evening.

#240 Ringo the Gringo

Crimsonfisted,

Do I really have to point out when I'm being sarcastic?

Dude, you're too rigid.

I forgot MY sarc tag too! PIMF.

They's waaay toooo much rigidity goin' on heah!

- James Carville

You can find the artice here, number 40, but you have to open an account with science direct and pay $30.00 to buy the artice . I wouldn't give them a penny for that garbage.

Here is the free abstract:

The present study reports on the personality attributes of nursery school children who two decades later were reliably stratified along a liberal/conservative dimension. An unprecedented analytical opportunity existed to evaluate how the political views of these young adults related to assessments of them when in nursery school, prior to their having become political beings. Preschool children who 20 years later were relatively liberal were characterized as: developing close relationships, self-reliant, energetic, somewhat dominating, relatively under-controlled, and resilient. Preschool children subsequently relatively conservative at age 23 were described as: feeling easily victimized, easily offended, indecisive, fearful, rigid, inhibited, and relatively over-controlled and vulnerable. IQ during nursery school did not relate to subsequent liberalism/conservatism but did relate in subsequent decades. Personality correlates of liberalism/conservatism for the subjects as young adults were also reported: conservatives were described in terms congruent with previous formulations in the literature; liberals displayed personality commonalities but also manifested gender differences. Some implications of the results are briefly discussed.

Keywords: Political attitudes; Personality; Longitudinal; Q-sort assessment

PIMF article

#238 Cartman,

Interestingly enough, my sister was opposed to the Iraq war, but not really a Moonbat. She thought that we should aim nuclear weapons at Iraq, and if there was ever an attack traced back to there like it was to Afghanistan, we should destroy the entire country, and shoot the survivors.

You can tell she's my sister :-)

haakondahl,

Japan is the next place on my travel list. Is it really too expensive to be worth it?

I've been to Hong Kong a few times and hotels are expensive but most everything else is no more expensive that Los Angeles or New York.

Is it the same in Japan?

#247 Iron Fist

You can tell she's my sister :-)

Bring her to the June meetup. Just keep her away from the larger caliber weapons. ;)

The confident kids turned out liberal and were still hanging loose, turning into bright, non-conforming adults with wide interests. The girls were still outgoing, but the young men tended to turn a little introspective.

The most confident people I know are also the most ignorant.

As a general example, it is easy to have high confidence in one's opinion that W blew up the World Trade Centers for Israel and oil when one doesn't even know the depth of their own ignorance in such fields as demolition, fire protection and structural engineering, aviation, etc. From the ignorant's perspective any investigation and determination into the event is nothing more than other peoples opinions on the matter and all opinions are equally valid anyway, PERIOD

Only 37 percent of college students graduate in four years, less than two-thirds finish in six. For low-income and minority students, graduation rates are even worse. This is happening at the worst possible moment in history — the market for unskilled labor has already gone global and higher-skill jobs aren’t far behind. We aren’t going to be bigger or cheaper than our Chinese and Indian competitors in the 21st century; our only option is to be smarter. Yet we’re squandering the aspirations and talent of hundreds of thousands of college students every year.

link

Yet they remain clueless as to why their protest against John Stossel is going nowhere.

Didn't the Demock's response to the SOTU Address mention they would push for free college education? I guess that means "stupider and stupider" is on the way if they take over government control.

#84 stuck in ca

Babies who don't get breast fed become whiny liberals who live in a negatively spun theoretical world and can't deal with reality.

I didn't get breast-fed as a baby and I turned out conservative (maybe because I made up for as soon as I could and still am makin' up for all that lost sucklin'! Look out, Ms. Clutch!)

This is so much crap that it's hard to know where to start shovelling it out into the sewage system where it belongs.

So much for the scientific method.
Whatever happened to the "representative sample" ?
Seems the Left only works with samples that represent what they want to present.

It has been my experience that Liberals - worse than normal parents - see only what they want to see in their kids - to the extreme. They will describe their perfect children in front of you while, literally, behind their backs, you witness older sister hauling back and smacking little brother so hard he spins around, and when junior picks himself off the floor, having landed at mommy's heels, mommy doesn't believe his accusation that sister is nasty - untidy fact that disturbes the perfect image. They also tend to make pseudo-psychological excuses for bad behavior like, "He can't sit still for dinner because he has "food anxieties"...(!?!) (Not making these up). We actually got dissed by irritated parents when our five-year sat nicely at the table, inconveniently making the bratty 9 year old look, well, like a 2 year old. I've known parents who put their kids in a French school at age 3 and pulled them out at age 3 1/2, because the school wasn't working - everyone knows kids pick up language fast...so why wasn't little Missy perfect speaking French yet?

There is ONE reason that conservative-type kids might go to authority figures... Conservative kids usually have a higher sense of justice - that is right and wrong and if wronged, will seek justice. Leftie-cowed kids are taught to smother this on the basis that one cannot be "judgmental." They become sneaky, repressed and furtive.

The only truly screwed up, nervous, messed up kids I've met are from Liberal, confused parents, bar none.

I found this dumpster diving through Columbia U's website. Its from their online alternative paper, The Fed. Pretty good stuff. How'd the campus PC sensor let this slip through? A pro-Cartoon rant from Columbia.

The intention here is rather to offend those who have used this cartoon as an excuse to commit violent acts. Muslims in general get a bad rap because of a few bad apples; that is, a few bad explosive-wearing-wife-beating-goat-fucking-islamo -fascist apples.

#252 clutch

I didn't get breast fed as a baby and turned out conservative,

The problem with most liberals is a that they were breast fed on falsies.

#244 Cartman

They's waaay toooo much rigidity goin' on heah! - James Carville

Carville continued: "What this contra needs is moah limpness, an-a only pawty what gonna give it to ya is-a democrat pawty!"

Moonbattery hah

Heh! Do conservatives need psychological help? Sure, after reading all of the liberal pap...it is enough to pop a few blood vessels.

#249 Cartman,

That ain't gonna happen. She's busy raising screaming wee-was :-)

We're hoping the Mafia Princess can come with me.

How much courage does it take to be a raging lefty luantic in Berkeleyland? Who are the real conformists and noncformists? The answer is that leftists are the conformists and the truly independent spirits are the few conservatives in the Bay area.

Slight OT (although this is an East Bay thing):

Here's a listing from a Bay Area alt-culture activities email list that's become increasingly overrun with calls to moonbat gatherings. Does this sound like something straight outta Lyndon LaRouche, or what?

The Money Masters

Wednesday, April 19

7:30 pm

$5 Donations Accepted

----/ Event Description /-----------------------------------------------

THE MONEY MASTERS

Presented by Gypsy

This is a very thorough, extensive, and uncompromising four-hour
documentary on the history of money and how it became monopolized by
private English bankers. This film illuminates an inside track on
English banker families. Like any commodity that's monopolized,
money is being used as an instrument of merciless control and
exploitation. The U.S. has never really broken free from that
control. Every U.S. president who tried was assassinated. After
seeing this film you will see the entire history of the world in a
different light. The English banks who seized control from the
beginning were sponsoring opposing sides in both world wars and are
to this day dominating and exploiting every one of us. "Federal
reserve" is neither "federal" nor is it a "reserve." Learn the
secrets that the global elite has been fiercely hiding from you for
centuries.

----/ Venue Info /------------------------------------------------- -----

Humanist Hall
390 27th Street
midtown Oakland
510-393-5685
[Link: www.HumanistHall.net...]

Click on the link "Directions" on our Website

----/ Additional Info /-------------------------------------------------

tripping_gypsy@hotmail.com
510-704-0268
[Link: www.themoneymasters.com...]

#90 maddog44

I was thinking the same thing (hey, conservatives are psychic!) but slightly different (hey! conservatives can think for themselves!)

Liberals hang loose...Conservatives hang tight.

An important question: Was the daycare teacher a liberal, going off on rants comparing Reagan to Hitler?

If so, I can understand these conservative toddlers becoming whiny.

I lived in Berkeley for 20 years, worked at UC Berkeley for 14, and went to college there.
It started deteriorating when the leftists took over in the late 60's/early 70's when the lefties took over, and has continued its dowmward slide ever since.

Whoops...meant "downward" slide.

#231 ymeagain

"Even if whiny kids did by and large turn out to be conservatives, the question would remain: So what? Not everything is psychology, although psychologists understandably tend to lose sight of this fact. Truth is more important than the personalities of the people who discover it, or don't."

I, also, couldn't agree more.

Re your daughter, if you see Sarah D. posting, her Kiddo is about the same age, and she can cry on your shoulder compare notes.

Been there, done that! :)

Self-confidence is a reaction to stimuli,not an indicator of anything except how the child is treated by authoity.

If a child's actions are rewarded,they will become self confident,if a child's action are punished or denigrated,they will become sullen and whiney.

Duh!

#'S 172-176 Occasional Reader: "A Whole Lotta Love."
Da doo da doo DOO!
(Bomp Bomp)
Da doo da doo DOO!
(Bomp Bomp)

Perhaps they did their research at a performance of Gilbert-&-Sullivan's *IOLANTHE*, in which Sergeant Willis, the sentry on duty at the House of Commons, sings

"Every boy and every gal,
That's born into this world alive,
Is either a little lib-er-al,
Or else a little con-serv-a-tive."

A cranky, whiny liberal (in fact, a whole bunch of 'em)

It makes me cranky when people disparage celebrities for speaking out about politics. They have money, they have time and they are passionate. Very few people can claim to be much better qualified.

Healing from well adjusted liberals - Thanks but no thanks.

statistics prove that 23% is the most believable statistic.

now there's something in GQ about conservative men being better in bed. havn't read it, but it has to be at least as legitimate as the berkeley study.

i suppose it's because we don't feel the need to apologize afterwards.

john
[Link: www.attackcartoons.com...]

#271 varmint

That's right. Liberals Study. Conservatives Stud.

Yee-Ha! Hooh! Get on up 'ar, cowgirl!

How to spot a baby conservative.

The holster on the diaper is a dead giveaway.

That's why rap and other liberal artforms are fond of saying "BLAM! BLAM! BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM!"

The conservative version goes like this:
"BLAM! Thump."