Well, of course. Islam and Judaism aren't races, so they can't be guilty of racial incitement.

/depends on the meaning of "is"

Some animals are more equal than others

Boycott Swedish Fish.

So if it is part or your tradition and heritage to insult, degrade, attack and kill any other group. It is valid expression of that culture?!?!?!?

WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT

The EUropeans have lost there ever lovin' minds.

If the Jews of Sweden are part of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict (as the Chancellor implies), then the Muslims of Sweden are culpable for suicide bombings in Israel. If the Chancellor believes the BS he's spewing, then he should charge the Muslims of Sweden as accessories to those crimes.

My four year old has come up with better arguements than the swed chancellor of justice.

simply amazing

Oh, another "it's their culture" argument.

I really hate that one from LLLs.

I hope that every single Jew in Europe gets the f--k out of that God forsaken hellhole before it's too late.

*Sorry for being so blunt, just saying what I feel!

So... after all the Jews are dead and gone... who THEN will be blamed for everything wrong in the world!?

This is unreal.

Sweden, marching gleefully into dhimmitude. More rape to follow at 10.

A overflowing smörgåsbord of BS for us to digest and regurgitate.

Same punch of dhimmis who tolerate rape gangs in Malmo on the grounds of cultural sensitivity.

After all if the bitch is not wearing a burka to a mooslim she's just asking for it and we have to respect that.

And the feminists actually support these stone age morons...

SO it is now ok to call all non-muslims to kill muslims because they have been doing the same for years.

Glad thats settled.

/Note to self: buy more ammo

And the feminists actually support these stone age morons...

Why?

This wouldn't be a "reaction" to Israeli courts and former Eastern European Jews wanting changes made to nazi-era Swedish banking practices, would it?

...but of course it does not work both ways. The cartoons are but one example of the warped "reasoning" of these people.
Lord come soon...

#6 Ann
You haven't lived until you've been accused of exhibiting cultural superiority by a Saudi.
Been offline but just came across this.
Worth a read.
Yes, It's Anti-Semitic

but pointing out that such statements “should be judged differently – and therefore be regarded as permissible – because they were used by one side in an ongoing and far-reaching conflict where calls to arms and insults are part of the everyday climate in the rhetoric that surrounds this conflict

What an ass. Ask Victor Klemperer:

"What was the most powerful Hitlerian propaganda tool?" asked Klemperer in LTI: Notizbuch eines Philologen (The Language of the Third Reich (trans. Martin Brady, 2000). "Was it the individual speeches of Hitler and Goebbels ... their rabble-rousing against the Jews, against Bolshevism? ... Certainly not ... Nazism permeated the flesh and blood of the people through single words, idioms and sentence structures which were imposed on them in a million repetitions and taken on board mechanically and unconsciously ... Words can be like tiny doses of arsenic: they are swallowed unnoticed, appear to have no effect, and then after a little time the toxic reaction sets in after all."

Will the Swedish Chancellor of Justice tolerate Muslims being called "asses", "animals" or "Paleswinians" by Israelis? Will he deem death threats to Muslims permissible to everyday climate surrounding this conflict? He accepts the words of these people, and thus he accepts what they are saying.

Well maybe the Swedish MOJ has a point...hypothetically lets say Swedish Jews did something ,like um publish cartoons of Mohammed, for instance...

IM sure he would do the exact same thing...

/sarc off

Abject...Astounding... Numbing.

A syllogism:

Luther was a great anti-Semite in his time.

Sweden is a nominally Lutheran country.

Ergo, Swedish anti-Semitism is no surprise.

Discuss.

Hey Sweden...you got the Concentration Camps up and running yet? How are the cattle cars running these days, on time and such?

Got enough Zyklon B stockpiled yet?

As sure as the sun rises, this is pure, genuine Euro Anti-Semitism at the State level.

Red Alert, Red Alert: All Jews drop what you are doing and run screaming out of Europe while you still have a chance.

WTF?

...pointing out that such statements “should be judged differently – and therefore be regarded as permissible – because they were used by one side in an ongoing and far-reaching conflict where calls to arms and insults are part of the everyday climate in the rhetoric that surrounds this conflict”.

If one knew no better, on would surely think this was satirical. Ten years ago my jaw would have hit the floor upon reading such garbage. Now, it seems to be a daily occurance. I cannot for the life of me reconcile what these idiots feel they have to gain through capitulation and cowardly submission to evil.

But put a picture of Mohammed with a bomb on his head and you've gone too far mister.

In Sweden, there isn't just open season on Jews, but on young women, both Muslim and non-Muslim, native Swedish children in areas with many Muslim immigrants etc. All of this happens in a year where Swedes have national elections, yet there is no genuine debate about immigration. The political elite, which includes the media, have decided that Sweden should remain a beacon of Multiculturalism, demonizing neighboring Denmark for xenophobia.

Sweden is a semi-totalitarian country, not a functioning democracy.

OT:

They conveniently left out his nation of origin. Vikram is an Indian name I think.

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

Bush death threat tied to PU student

By Danielle Braff
Post-Tribune staff writer

A Purdue University graduate student was arrested and charged with threatening to kill President George W. Bush, Laura Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

...

In the various messages posted, Buddhi urged the Web site’s readers to bomb the United States and for them to rape American and British women and mutilate them, according to court documents. Other messages called for the killing of all Republicans.

By that logic, it's OK for the Klan to burn crosses and hurl racial epithets at blacks and Jews (and whoever else they hate), it's ok for Nazis to call for the extermination of Jews, it's ok ... well, you get the iea ... if they've been doing it for a while it's OK ...

Tradition ... not just Fiddler on the Roof anymore ...

Cato the Elder
Do we dare?

#16 J.D.

Thanks, J.D. Good to see you!

I did have a Saudi student proudly inform me that "back home, no one locks their cars or homes."

But no, he was not planning to go back there to live again...

#25 shinken

Buddhi was arrested Friday and told investigators he is not suffering from any mental illnesses nor is he taking any illegal or prescription drugs.

Musta been a "bad" childhood?

ARRRGGGHHH!

Read While Europe Slept and Eurabia. Then you will be prepared for this sort of evil nonsense. I agree with an earlier poster: Jews should get out of Europe while they can.

Whoops ... still posting as Blitz ...

Anyway, watch for Sweden to not prosecute bus bombings ... so long as the victims are Jews ... because such actions “should be judged differently – and therefore be regarded as permissible – because they were used by one side in an ongoing and far-reaching conflict where bombings and mass murder are part of the everyday actions that surrounds this conflict”.

What is this mealy-mouthed gibberish? Makes me ashamed to be part Swedish. I'm also part Norwegian (more ashamed) and, luckily, part Prussian (which I claim as my heritage).

With the advanced welfare system in Sweden, I'm surprised they don't have more muslims there.

Upon hearing the Chancellor of Justice's remarks thousands of Klu Klux Klan members emmigrated to Sweden.

Calling a Black man a "n***" is permissable because the insult is used by one side in an ongoing and far reaching conflict where cross burnings and lynchings are part of the everyday climate.

Time for Jews and other sane Swedes to get out.

I am no longer surprised, and simply take these actions by Europeans as the fist sign of what befell us before.

I call on all Jews in Europe to make aliyah or to immigrate to the uS or Australia at once. Your lives may depend on it.

The more things change the more they stay the same. This may sound more original in French. Where are Caton and Mr Pol to say it properly in that language, anyway? Anyone had contacts with them recently?

THIS is the land that gave the world Raoul Wallenberg?

such statements “should be judged differently – and therefore be regarded as permissible – because they were used by one side in an ongoing and far-reaching conflict where calls to arms and insults are part of the everyday climate in the rhetoric that surrounds this conflict”

So no jihadis are going to object if I start calling them goatf***ers without the asterisks?

Let's give it a try:

Islamic fundamentalists are atavistic, murdering, misogynistic, totalitarian goatfuckers

Hey, it's part of the "everyday climate!"

Personally I'd be quite happy for them to be allowed to do this, so long as I could do the same.

#34 bweep

With the advanced welfare system in Sweden, I'm surprised they don't have more muslims there.

And with talk like this, it's just a matter of time.

This quote would be right at home in the books "1984* and "Animal farm". Every year the liberal socialists try to outdo each other with the most asinine contortions of logic to justify their insane multi-culturalistic politics that demand equal respect of every culture even when the other culture is based on intolerence, disrespect and intimidation of all other cultures. Europe will go with a whimper, not a bang. Then the Islamists will have access to all the nukes and delivery systems of France and the UK. Oh joy! So this means the US will have to commit forces to the upcoming European downfall just to secure their nuclear weapons.

NEVER AGAIN!? ? ?

Bullshit! It's happening again...

Every snowstorm begins with one snowflake. (read LGF...its Snowing!)

JEWS... WAKE THE FXXK UP BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!

Buy a gun... learn to shoot...don't wait for the anyone to save us! Do something, anything, DAMMIT..before its too late!

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I hate to sound like Chicken Little...(as I know I do) but I'll be honest... I'm f'n scared! Very Scared! My entire life I've asked how the Jews & the World could allow the Holocaust to occur...now I know! We have learned NOTHING! We still make excuses for why it takes place instead of preparing to combat it. We sit around & discuss when we should be preparing to defend our survival!

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Hmmm...the Swedish Bikini Team is really gonna lose it's appeal when they are forced to wear burkas.

:-(

No hat tip?

Get ready for the Holy City of Stockholm. A new Holiest City (dun't know how to do the trademark thingy) of Islam.

13: And the feminists actually support these stone age morons...

Why?

Answers:

Feminists, usually= Moonbats

Moonbats, usually=America+ Jew Haters

America+ Jew Haters, usually=Dhimmitude and Goatlovers

#26 Ann
Hi Ann! How goes it? Did reaganite finally get back on his feet?

I did have a Saudi student proudly inform me that "back home, no one locks their cars or homes."

But no, he was not planning to go back there to live again...

I don't believe our old "buddy" John Bradley did, either. Funny, huh?

It seems to me it takes at least two parties to be engaged in a conflict, therefore if the Jews use derogatory language in describing Muslims do you think the Swedes will tolerate it? No, I don't think so, either. What nonsense. It is this type of fuzzy thinking coupled with cowardice that will be the undoing of the West.

St. Pancake, I think we'd better!

No f'n way! This is truly sick! Can this be verified? It sounds almost like disinformation.

Dear Sweden enjoy the next 20 years, Demographics say that's how long you have until you are a muslim majority country.

Israel will have the last laugh you nazi pigs.

The clearest expression yet of converged illogic, moral incoherence, and Jew-hatred in "utopian" Scandinavia.

Not only are they handing over the keys to their clean little cities, they're supplying their Islamist masters with whips.

Seams to me, if we look at the evidence that keeps piling up, we can see that socialists realy are fascists at heart.

For those suggesting that Jews abandon Europe, it appears that another Dispora (sp?) is now underway, at least from France. Looks like Sweden is next, if not already in progress.

The Swedish statement kinda puts a lid on that nonsensical claim repeated ad nauseum by Israel's enemies that anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism.

Cato & St. Pancake,

Hello to both of you! :-)
And let's not "discuss", mkay? It's pointless given the situation.

The 16,000 Jews of Sweden [plus one Fjordman!] should be relatively easy to rescue. It's France's 1/2 million Jews I really worry about. After 60+ years Europe is about to get her just desserts, as far as I am - and many of my living and dead family members are - concerned. Let's just get the Jews out and then I'll be happy to sit back with a bowl of popcorn.

/see bigel? why waste the bombs?

#54 hous

They have to be -- otherwise they would have to concede that the other side might have a point. Any such concession would invalidate their perspective. This is also why they are so angry.

Here we have proof positive of impending Sweedish dhimmitude. This makes these events all the more scary.

Of course, we have our own dhimmis in the US Congress. They go by the label "Democrat," and they don't want us to use Israeli bullets to kill Muslim terrorists because that might offend them!

Charles, thanks for giving this its own thread. I don't know how you found out about it but the rest of did via tigger2005, so I would like to give a HT to tigger.

Just how many Jews are there in Sweden? Anybody know?

In American, the equivalent of the Chancellor of Justice would not be allowed to look into this speech at all unless it incited actual violence.

So let's start selling a set of tapes in local churches and synagogues in Stockholm advocating the elimination of those "dirty Arabs" or "[bigoted word]s" or "sand n---ers" (or whatever the equivalent in Swedish is) and see how long it's allowed to continue. Maybe some Meir Kahane tapes to start the ball rolling?

After all, such language is merely a part of a long-standing conflict, between Crusaders and Infidels, or between Jews and Muslims!

littleoldlady

The 16,000 Jews of Sweden

Ah, well, see? there ya go. Let's get 'em out. Minnesota sound about right?

#60 grayp

Just how many Jews are there in Sweden? Anybody know?

I suggest you count them quickly, before they're gone!

#59 Moonbatbane

Rush had a great commetary on the use of Israeli bullets on our enemies today..." We wouldn't want to offend those who try and kill us and fly planes into our builings"

/Rush

@38

Wallenberg is famous because he was the exception.

Sweden made a good living from its much-touted 'neutrality' by being the major supplier of iron ore to Nazi Germany in WW2. They also, of course, in their virtuous neutrality, could not bring themselves to declare which side they supported during the Cold War, either.

A Danish joke from the WW2 period:

Q: What is the definition of a Swede?
A: A German in human form.

#42 LoFlyer

Then the Islamists will have access to all the nukes and delivery systems of France and the UK. Oh joy! So this means the US will have to commit forces to the upcoming European downfall just to secure their nuclear weapons.

Think GWB knew something the left never, ever considered? At least we have a ground deployment over in dhimmiland. Unfortunately, if it comes to that, we can surely expect Fjordman's scenario #2, with enhanced global implications.

This sounds harsh, but we need to see a European natiion absolutely destroyed by dhimmitude, and the sooner the better. A lesson needed for all the others. Nothing else has a chance of waking them out of their multi-culti stupor. My vote - start with Sweden, preferrably with Malmo, first.

#7 Desert Sage

I hope that every single Jew in Europe gets the f--k out of that God forsaken hellhole before it's too late.

I feel as you do. . .but I just noticed that one of the fatalities in yesterday's suicide bombing was a - Marcel Cohen, 73, from Nice, France.

It's not clear how long ago he made aliya (sp?) . . .I'm beyond tears.

To put this in perspective:

Let's say we have incitement laws in the U.S. Then let's say Germany and France are engaged in a vicious border war, and people of German descent in the U.S. get together in bars and scream for the death of all people of French descent in the U.S.

This would be OK, because after all German and French people in another country are at war with each other.

In other words, it's fine if the conflict spreads! We must do NOTHING to stop the smooth and rapid dessemination of hatred and violence!

Sweden, where Liberal Democratic Socialism rests on a foundation of Fascism and falls in love with Islamofacism. No wonder they stopped getting married to have kids. The whole friggin' country is either an accidental birth or an abortion.

#63 grayp,

Swedish Jews would probably feel right at home in Minnesota (weather)! :-)

/brrr! Not me!

#12

song and dance man

Answer to both questions is...strong delusions.

Yes, something sinister is in the wings.

I have to do adult-type things for awhile, but before I do, I'm remembering something I read last week and I can't remember where.

A man was writing about the vacation he and his wife took in Europe recently. They were very excited because they managed to get tickets to the opera in Vienna.

The opera was glorious, but the audience seemed rather flat. He commented to his wife about that afterwards and she didn't miss a beat.

"Easy. No Jews".

...YES, and in the spirit of Swedish understanding and in light of the fact that this kind of language is part and parcel of the rhetoric that has traditionally accompanied the dialog between Nazis and Jews, let me take this opportunity to address the Chancellor of Justice in a manner that should be judged differently: Fuck off and die you pig-sucking, toe-headed, blue-eyed Satan and spawn of manufacturers of oil-leaking Saabs! Swedes hump reindeer, but are too stupid to notice.

(no, I don't really think that way. but in this conflict, insults come with the territory...just like the chancellor said)

littleoldlady

"waving" Hate discussing false syllogisms, lol!

Cato!

#72 Littleoldlady

Heyyy...dont be knockin our weather up here in da Nort country. We'd welcome all 16,000 as long as they vote the right way...got enough lefties here already.

For those of you who remember, bigel was right.

#74 ploome

I can;t remember, will someone help?

New Jersey. General principles.

#57 littleoldlady

Let's just get the Jews out and then I'll be happy to sit back with a bowl of popcorn.

I want them out of there NOW!
I don't want to wait until they get loaded up into boxcars while the Liberal elite sit on their hands and say "There's nothing we can do".

I don't want to wait until the Goatfuckers start putting them in consentration death camps!
I want them out NOW! NOW, before it's too late!

“should be judged differently – and therefore be regarded as permissible – because they were used by one side in an ongoing and far-reaching conflict where calls to arms and insults are part of the everyday climate in the rhetoric that surrounds this conflict”.

What an enlightened view! This is a breakthrough in understanding between cultures! They should get a Nobel Prize for such paradigm shifting insight!

Wow! Read the article and commented immediately before reading the thread and seeing ploome hineni's comment.
The only place Jews seem to be safe in this world is Israel and the U.S.

#80 Pumkin

How so? Refresh my memory.

Is anyone surprised that there's no equal protection with hate speech laws (or hate crimes here)?

#79 Happy Viking,

After what they are going through right now (unless they "don't get it", which unfortunately, is entirely possible) you can safely assume that quite a few of them will "vote the right way".

The downside is that along with the 16,000 Jews you get 27,000 different opinions.

/plus the ginsu knives!

Addendum to my comment #85.

The only place Jews seem to be safe in this world is Israel and the U.S.

And not all that safe in Israel.

85 Barking Pumpkin
Australia? Canada?

#69 saywhat?
The Palestinian toe rag's mother was on UK TV earlier. She was beyond tears too. Beligerent hatchet faced witch. Not a shred of sorrow or guilt. Just full of how the jews had it coming sentiments. Not normal for a mother who's just lost a son. Seriously psychotic.

#54 hous

Seams to me, if we look at the evidence that keeps piling up, we can see that socialists realy are fascists at heart.

Socialism, as is the case with fascism requires a scapegoat to seemingly render the fallacy legitimate. Modern history supports this notion, at every intellectual junction. They truly are birds of a feather.

#88 Littleoldlady

My ginsus have lasted for almost 20 years.

"Back to the ripe tomata...and it's still razor sharp."

[Link: www.thelocal.se...]

Lambertz okays closing two websites with Mo toons:

UD and Säpo cleared over website closure

Published: 24th March 2006 19:15 CET

Neither the Foreign Office (UD) nor the security police (Säpo) broke censorship laws when Sverigedemokraterna's website was shut down for publishing the contraversial Muhammad cartoons.

But the Chancellor of Justice appears to have questioned UD's actions. Chancellor Göran Lambertz sees no reason to criticise UD or Säpo concerning the events which led to the closing down of Sverigedemokraterna's website. No public servant contravened the constitution regarding freedom of speech.

Spike Jones and the City Slickers
When Der Fuehrer says, "We ist der master race"
We HEIL! HEIL! Right in Der Fuehrer's face
Not to love Der Fuehrer is a great disgrace
So we HEIL! HEIL! Right in Der Fuehrer's face
...
When Herr Gobbels says, "We own der world und space"
We HEIL! HEIL! Right in Herr Goring's face
When Herr Goring says they'll never bomb this place
We HEIL! HEIL! Right in Herr Goring's face

Are we not the supermen?
Aryan pure supermen?
Ja we ist der supermen!
Super-duper supermen!
Ist this Nazi land not good?
Would you leave it if you could?
Ja this Nazi land is good!
Vee would leave it if we could!

We bring the world to order
Heil Hitler's world New Order
Everyone of foreign race
will love Der Fuehrer's face
When we bring to der world ... disorder

When Der Fuehrer says, "We ist der master race"
We HEIL! HEIL! Right in Der Fuehrer's face
When Der Fuehrer says, "We ist der master race"
We HEIL! HEIL! Right in Der Fuhrer's face

etc, etc.
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I'm afraid that the New World Order and the Aryans are getting their "Final Solution". The Jews of Europe would do well to wake up and make their fast exit. I'm sure we in America and Israel will have a bountiful home for them. One thing is for certain: there is true freedom for Jews here, as there may not be in Europe soon.

I like that suggestion of selling anti-Islamic rah-rah tapes at the Lutheran churches across Sweden, and waiting to see how long it is before all of Islam (never mind the gub'mint) rises up in collective offense. It would be prophetic, of course.

GoatGuy

PIMF juncture, not junction. Sheesh.

#86 Dar ul Harbarian

bigel's rants on this board basically were that Europe was a giant sh*thole and that they should be nuked, to put it mildly.

This must be another Jewish plot, but this time against Jews.

pssst! ploomie!

Come hide here! We have a spare bedroom, and nobody knows we're Jews...

...Bwahahahaha!

#59

Unfortunately, there are dhimmis who go by the name "Republicans" as well.

Teenagers held for gang rape
Published: 18th April 2006 20:10 CET

Three young men aged 16 to 19 have been taken into police custody again on suspicion of raping two young women in Malmö a month ago.

The women are said to have been victims of extremely serious sexual assaults. They said their attackers were a gang of teenage boys.

As well as the three now in custody, a fourth boy will face court proceedings on Wednesday. A fifth, aged 17, is also thought to have been involved.

All five are suspected of rape 'with probable cause'.

No mention of ethnicity though. Could be those galloping Bahai, or swarthy Amish.

Accessed from #98's link

#83 DesertSage,

Do you know "anybody"? I do. I've been trying to get the powers-that-be to get moving on Operation Croissant™ for almost 5 years now. Nary a bite.

Then I offered to sponsor a Jewish family from France (the micro approach). You wouldn't believe how delusional they are. "Everything is fine here in France..."

Frustrated? Moi? NAH!

/I gave up crying myself to sleep. I just don't sleep.

well, this is a great day for freedom of speech

let the cartoons roll

did Sweden ban the cartoons, or print them?

#58 MSMediaCritic

Their perspectives also clash with each other. This they seam not to notice.

106 littleoldlady
Where are you at, dear?

Do all European countries have hate speech (or similar)laws, or are there countries that have protections of freedom of speech like the 1st Amendment here in the US?

#104 neocon hippie

Unfortunately, there are dhimmis who go by the name "Republicans" as well.

No doubt about it. The RINO's are every bit as damaging to the cause as their manipulators.

St. Pancake, I'm not sure it is a false syllogism. Are you?

LoL, what if the 16,000 Jews of Sweden like it there and don't wish to be "gotten out"?

Folks here are all too ready to declare any European country a "God-forsaken hellhole" and decide what to do about it on behalf of its Jews or other citizens. How about we kick out the Mahometans instead?

To listen to some people here, the only liveable countries left in the 'verse are the US and Israel. I don't - won't - can't buy that.

#8 windhorse

So... after all the Jews are dead and gone... who THEN will be blamed for everything wrong in the world!?

The Americans, Who else? Lucky for Us we've got big shoulders

OT

"We aren't afraid of them, and if they decide to return we're going to defeat them," he said.

Chavez also recently said the National Guard has even enlisted an army of 500 Indians to defend the country with poison-tipped arrows. He added: "If they had to take a good shot at any invader, you'd be done for in 30 seconds, my dear gringo."

No word on Hugo Chavez atttempts to form an army of small but devious ewoks. :-)

The Swedish Minister of Justice who made the ruling of which this posting is about did rule that it was legal to close websites that portray the great Mo.

See my previous posting, Friars Tale.

St. Pancake,

I'm in a hole in the ground. (Please, don't tell anyone!)

/Philadelphiaish

(This is how thoroughly sick this situation is, and how sick I am over it. All I can do is make lame cracks. I'm pathetic. Shoot me now.)

OT: Sorry but it's Afghanistan

Kharzai asking the coalition troops not to be so hard on the poor widdle jihadis. They killed 14 over the weekend and I guess he's taking heat from some of the warlords. What the hey? We're not there to hold their hands; on top of which they wanted to kill a Christian and the only reason they didn't is he was spirited out of the country, which doesn't bode well for the next one that turns up. Nothing was resolved about what they will do vis a vis human rights in return for all our blood and treasure in keeping them free of the Taliban. (Most of which they're related to if the truth were told).

[Link: sympaticomsn.ctv.ca...]

#121 littleoldlady:

What are you doing Philadelphiash? Get out of there!

#123 foreign devil

But...but...the calla lilies are in bloom again!

#80 Barking Pumpkin 4/18/2006 03:53PM PDT

For those of you who remember, bigel was right.

had the same thought when i seen this thread

115 Cato the Elder

Agreed, but the friggin' problem is that how does one toss out the neo-welfaristarians of Europe, the muslims? As stated before, there are millions. Many have citizenship. This would be something similar to the rigamarole which ocurred between India and Pakistan following independence. Well, almost.
The Jews have been in Europe since Roman times. Like you, I am irate that the answer is suggested that it should be the Jews who leave, and not the muslim invader barbarians.

Umm... is this the actual "nuke Europe" thread?

#118: piglet

I read that too. Chavez was also seen training with a slingshot, and catapults and Greek fire are ready for combat!

#106 littleoldlady

No, I don't know anybody.
This thread made me cry, and I'm a grown man...I don't cry.

My Great Grandparents immigrated here in the 'teens'. I was told stories by my Grandparents about Cousins, Aunts and Uncles that tried to get out of Europe in the 30's but never made it. They were never heard from again.

This is so frustrating! I have room for a Jewish family if need be. I wish they'd wake up.
I wish they'd get the hell out of there!

You make a great point. Why another Diaspora? Why in the hell should European peoples, Jew or otherwise, have to settle for an exodus? I don't believe it's too late. Something must and will rekindle the traditional cultural fuse. We can't just write off an entire continent, can we? History teaches us that sanity often arises from the ashes of madness.

#124 lol:

Was that Katherine Hepburn or what's her name?

121 littleoldlady

Lol, would love to have a cup of tea with you. :D

Hang in there!

You may recall Sweden is also the country that hosted an art exhibit celebrating Palestinian jihad-genocide.

Israel's ambassador, Zvi Mazel, lost his cool and vandalized the exhibit.

Less well known is that Sweden had promised the Israelis that the exhibition would not contain any art re: the Israeli-Palestinian conflict; this was apparently a setup to embarass the Israeli ambassador.

#109 ploome hineni

seems he was right!

don't you think?

'Fraid so.

128 DesertSage

"Hugs"
Keep it together. We need you to keep it together.

#115 Cato,

Who - exactly - is going to get the Muslims out?!

IIRC, Mr. Pol said that when he left France they* were offering to get the Jews who wanted to leave out of there. Most, of course, preferred to stay. Some agreed to be trained in firearms and self-defence. And those that took neither offer were told, "Okay then. You're on your own."

But I have a problem with this, "You're on your own." stuff. BIG problem. And yes, it is MY problem.

/*they = Israel

#129 Cartman:

I think the Pope should have a HUGE MASS and the purpose would be to pray for the welfare of Christianity around the world and the welfare of Europe. Put it right out there with the imprimature of the Vatican.

The heads of state (the ones that matter-the EU and the Coalition countries) would have to be alerted and any of their concerns taken into consideration, but as a 'declaration of intent' or whatever you want to call it. Throwing down the gauntlet of Christianity and refusal to be swallowed, the Pope is the logical choice as the head of the CHURCH! Britain's CofE has become too diluted and the Druid Archbishop is a buffoon and therefore irrelevant.

HOWEVER! The Churches will have to be alerted and a more robust attitude taken within the churches themselves toward defeating Islam's threat and toward how it's done (the wars not only in Iraq but the one Israel's been fighting all alone all this time). The clerics must be forced to get behind this or it won't work. They are the troops on the front lines within each community across the world. The Muslims are using their clerics--we can use ours.

foreign devil,

Yup. Kate Hepburn, who starred in The Philadelphia Story.

#135 lol:

Is that what happend to Mr. Pol? I've missed him and he's been gone a while.

littleoldlady
Where is Mr. Pol now?

{St Pancake}

Let me know when you're coming out this way (because it's not likely I'll be in Texas in the near future :-) Until then, my friend, CYBERTEA!

I wish I knew where Mr Pol was! :-( Last we heard he was going back to Israel, where (I assume) he lost his home in the Gaza expulsion.

140 littleoldlady
"holding up teacup"
"serving cyberscones"

#134 St. Pancake

Thank you St.P.

I'm "together" now :^)
My mood has changed from sadness to anger.

I just want to do something!
Europe has f--ked up their continent so bad, and in some ways they deserve it.
I just want the Jews to get out of there because I truly believe they're in real danger!

141 littleoldlady
For real? Geez... You can't win for losing.

DesertSage
Anger can be a good thing. Much better than depressing sadness. Depression will not resolve anything.

Anger keeps people alive.

Yeah, I miss Mr. Pol too - does anyone know where he is or what's happened to him (maybe too busy to be able to post on LGF anymore?)

What is being done to help Jews get out of Europe? Is the state dept going to turn them away?

How about a match program to match european Jews with people willing to sponsor them? I know my parents sponsored my niece's husband and my sister's husband to immigrate to the US.

How about single Americans marrying european Jews so they can get in the country?

Sorry if this has already been brought up, I haven't read the whole thread yet.

littleoldlady:

The Philadelphia Story (the version with Kate) is still may favourite. Grace Kelly was good too but hers was a muscial (sort of) anyway. I've recently invested in a smaller LCD tv and I LUV it! Faaar better than the big one. The images are as clear as a photograph. I couldn't stop watching it when I first got it. It's not HD but I don't think I'll bother with that when it comes. This couldn't be clearer. But the bonus is the small size. They are phasing out the 13" size but it's perfect on a desk or kitchen counter. Since it's LCD it's slim with a little backrest like a photograph holder. I'm going to sell the big clunker I got just a few months ago. It's like pushing a truck around to get the vacuum behind it and I have only so much get up and go in one cleaning session (or I'm gone, if ya know what I mean)!

What brought that up is that oddly enough, B&W movies look fantastic on the digital screen. They come out very true to life; as if you were looking at an old photograph of your parents and suddenly they move. It's uncanny. You have to see a film in B&W on the LCD to see what I mean. So I'm checking out movie sites with the old classics, like WNED Buffalo and TVO 2 (TVOntario) that have 'classics' nights.

realwest,

See #141; probably house-hunting :-(

Bad Penny,

If you hear of any programs can you come back and post, or better yet, email me? I would very much appreciate it!

It's not going to be easy. And I do believe the State Department will make things harder.

When Sweden finally goes up in flames, I plan to be offshore in a boat to rescue the swedish bikini team.

And just whom will they go after once they are satisfied that there are no more Jews in Sweden? Not the Swedes? Not if they've "converted" to the RoP. I wonder how Russia would take to it

#135 - littleoldlady

How can you help someone that refuses to help themselves?

After that mentioned by #115, and other than a wishing of "good luck" after "you are on your own" what else is there to do?

foreign,

You don't get TCM or AMC up there? I discovered those old black and white movies way back when I was pregnant (I didn't sleep then either) and got immediately hooked. Still am, in fact.

Not two hours ago I said to my daughter, "Why did they remake Pride and Prejudice when there's a perfectly wonderful movie already - starring Laurence Olivier and Greer Garson!"

153 littleoldlady
Oh, that is a wonderous movie too. When you mentioned Oliver's name, I immediately thought of Rebecca.

#141 lol:

I didn't know Mr. Pol's house was confiscated in that move. What a homecoming! That may have been too much for him. Did he have family there? I hope someone was there for him after finding that out. I don't blame Sharon for doing it because I think he meant well by consolidating the perimeter and saving the troops from being picked off defending the settlements in Gaza but...it hasn't been a good idea with the rockets now having a clear path. And for Mr. P. to leave France and then have that happen. Heartbreaking. I hope he'll get in touch.

Well, bork bork fuckin' bork, Mr. Chancellor.

Absolutely fucking disgusting.

Just needed to express my feelings, so thank you Charles for the forum to do exactly that.

Oh, and this means, I assume, that Jews in Sweden can publicly call for the murder of Muslims because Muslims are at war with the Jews as part of a "ongoing and far-reaching conflict"

Un fucking believable.

#152 Jimmy,

You are right, of course, it's just that I live with the knowledge that my grandfather was one of those Jews in Europe who said , "Uh oh!" when it was already too late.

Let me just say that I hope "You're on your own" is not final, and there's contingency plans available for when the next Jew who says "Uh oh!" wants to leave Europe.

littleoldlady:

I just had an idea; Jim Carrey could do a remake of 'Arsenic and Old Lace'. He is double-jointed the way Cary was and has the right comic ability to get the 'terrified bookkeeper trying to save his aunties' look. Because we don't have any great comic romantic leads anymore, though they keep trying to foist the likes of Alec Baldwin on us, Jim's got that 'everyman' look but the comic timing and if they ever remake that it'd be a blast. But they'd have to do it right. The aunties have to be ditherers...the sort of adorable feeblemindedness we saw in Alex Guinness' "The Ladykillers".

Yes I do get TBS and I've watched some good films on there too. I'm developing an appreciation for the oldies again. I never used to like seeing a film twice but the crap that they make now isn't worth sitting through the first time and I've turned to the classics.

Today the chocolate moose:

Noo, toodie wee well meg dee chocolate mooose. Step oone, geet a
five-pound block oof chocolate.

Step twoo, get dee mooose. Heer, mooosee mooosee mooosee mooosee!

Step three, put dee mooose een dee bleender.

foreign devil,

Arsenic and Old Lace is just perfect the way it is! I don't need no steenkin' remakes!

;-)

"Where am I? Oh. Here I am!"
-Peter Lorre

“should be judged differently – and therefore be regarded as permissible – because they were used by one side in an ongoing and far-reaching conflict where calls to arms and insults are part of the everyday climate in the rhetoric that surrounds this conflict”.

That might be the most racist thing I've read today...besides the koran.

Meir Kahane, prophet
born 1932 - murdered 1990

Above all, it is not decency or goodness of gentleness that impresses the Middle East, but strength.
Meir Kahane

And I am afraid, for the first time, that we are in the hands of people so blind and so mad and so un-Jewish that we may not be able, G-d forbid, to avert the catastrophe.
Meir Kahane

But the Jew is not a cripple. G-d made him with two legs, and the authentic healthy Jew walks on both of them.
Meir Kahane

I know that elections must be limited only to those who understand that the Arabs are the deadly enemy of the Jewish state, who would bring on us a slow Auschwitz - not with gas, but with knives and hatchets.
Meir Kahane

I see all this and know that if we are to save the Jewish state and its three-and-a-half million Jews from terrible horrors, we must rise up and demand a fundamental change in the very system of government.
Meir Kahane

If we ever hope to rid the world of the political AIDS of our time, terrorism, the rule must be clear: One does not deal with terrorists; one does not bargain with terrorists; one kills terrorists.
Meir Kahane

Let us not suffer from a national amnesia that causes us to forget who and what we are.
Meir Kahane

Love has its place, as does hate. Peace has its place, as does war. Mercy has its place, as do cruelty and revenge.
Meir Kahane

Never, ever deal with terrorists. Hunt them down and, more important, mercilessly punish those states and groups that fund, arm, support, or simply allow their territories to be used by the terrorists with impunity.
Meir Kahane

The end of the great era of man's wandering and stumbling through life in search of meaning and truth is drawing to a close and the drama of Jewish history with its crescendos of persecution and heroism, its drama and pathos, its kaleidoscopic wandering and journeying, is coming to an end.
Meir Kahane

The Jew is upset because the nations of the world - the United Nations - lash him, brand him as racist and evil, hate him and openly demonstrate their desire to destroy him.
Meir Kahane

There is nothing that they can do to smite a Jewish nation that believes in the G-d of History.
Meir Kahane

This is the real struggle - the war of ideas, of values, of civilization.
Meir Kahane

And are these muslim folks native-born Swedes who are exempted from the normal rules of civlized behavior?

U.S.: Israel has right to defend itself but should consider effect on peace prospects (AP)

Sometimes I think our leaders are retarded.

#158 - littleoldlady

One thing European Jewry has now that they didn't have in 1936 is Israel.
I don't EVER envision that country standing by and doing nothing if the excrement collided with the air conditioning system in Europe.

I also do not see them turning their back on those that did not want to emigrate earlier but later changed their minds due to the deteriorating situation in Euro-land.

I really do wish them luck and hope that things on the ground over there are not as bad as they may seem to us over here, but beyond that, we are severely limited to do much else.

This is scary - Charles, please keep us posted.

Meanwhile, everyone here should be contacting your rabbis, priests, and ministers, and any other members of the clergy you know. Congregations need to know about this - they need to speak up about this.

Contact your congressmen and senators.

It's these types of Jews-are-second-class-citizens legal decisions that showed up in 1930's Germany and nobody did anything about it.

#135 Little Old Lady,

It is our problem. All of us.

There is a line of thought here and elsewhere that goes something like, "Europe is doomed. Ain't it great to be an American?"

Sorry to those ready to write off a continent, but that won't work. Eurabia is a state of mind, not a permanent state of being. American ideals and constitutional freedoms were born in the soil of European secular Enlightenment thought, as well as in the Judeo-Christian ethic and the sun of Greece. I'm not prepared to give an inch.

No Jew, no Jute, no villager at the foot of the Jungfrau should have to move or duck or hide because of the barbarian invasion.

I still think the matter could be most satisfactorily addressed by applying the principle of reciprocity in all things.

You want to build a mosque in Jutland? Let us build a synagogue and a church in the Hijaz!

On a side note, I have a close friend who is talking about upping sticks and moving his family to Saudi. He has a wife and two young children. I think he's lost his mind and could lose a great deal more than that.

168 Cato the Elder
Good grief! Is he moving there for work?

An article written and signed by four leading Jewish Swedish personalities about the “radical reinterpretation of incitement against Jews by the Chancellor of Justice in Sweden.”

[Link: www.ejpress.org...]

used by one side in an ongoing and far-reaching conflict

I guess he's not talking about the 1,400 year global jihad. Too bad. Then he'd be right.

The Fourth Reich won't live for one thousand years, but it chugs along without a constitution. Those who do not learn the lessons of history probably live in Europe.

170 Pooh
The double-speak is so glaring, isn't it?

OK.

I read it and I still don't believe it.

The same philosophy used on the Challenger was called the Normalization of Deviance, which I think is pretty fair usage here as well.

#80 Barking Pumpkin

"For those of you who remember, bigel was right."

No, not by a long shot.

#93 Ploom

"I am going into hiding"

How about becoming a nurse in Canada? No one will find you there.

If Israel was at peace, Israel would be more like EUrope (read Blue State). Israel is being ripped apart and still is divided on where to go next.

EUrope is not divided at all. Chirac's goal of a unified latrine will continue to flow.

Why are American and Israeli citizens still divided?

I have no idea. My only thought is that we (read so many) are stupid. That we (far to many) do not deserve the freedom and opportunity dumped on us.

I'll keep going. Even if one was stupid and naive, does not Iran, close the deal? Are we a reflection and copy of 1930's myopia? I think we might be.

:(

/ramble off/

#169 St. Pancake - yep. Work. He's an ophthalmologist.

The other place he's looking at is Singapore. As he joked the other day, that and the Magic Kingdom are the two biggest purveyors of the death penalty in the world. I didn't find it very funny.

I suggested Israel as a place where they're doing cutting-edge medicine of every imaginable kind, but he in all seriousness said that living there would hurt his career as far as it involves travel to [bigoted word] countries.

It's enough to make me want to scream.

Racial incitement and racial hatred and incitement to murder are not good -- unless they are used against the Jews, is what he is saying.

This is a return to normal of Europe's millenial hostility against the Jews. After the Holocaust, there was a shock throughout Europe concerning what had happened. Those in that generation following the Holocaust have died out, and the period of remission of anti-semitism has ended.

#168 Cato the Elder

If this was happening 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago, I would tend to agree with you.

But this is happening all over Europe with more and more regularity. Ethnic Europeans will not stand up for their liberties and freedom. European elites shove multiculturalism down the throats of the populace, and nobody is standing up for their rights...let alone their countries.

Ethnic Europeans have no pride in their cultures anymore. They have no religious values whatsoever. They have become spineless little wimps that will not stand up to the Islamic onslaught.

I wish it wasn't so. I wish they would grow some balls and stand up for what is right.
But they won't!

And as long as they do nothing but capitulate, I have no choice but to call for my Jewish brothers and sisters to get the f--k out of there.
I'm sorry it's come to this, but I'd rather save their lives than have them fight for a cause that ethnic Europeans won't even fight for.

176 Cato the Elder
I'll take Singapore any day over a muslim country.

#174 Buckeye Abroad

A voice of reason echos in the Valley of Darkness!

:-)

#115 Cato

Folks here are all too ready to declare any European country a "God-forsaken hellhole" and decide what to do about it on behalf of its Jews or other citizens. How about we kick out the Mahometans instead?

Sorry, I can't think of a way to kick the Mahometans out of Sweden. The Swedes have to do that.

Barking pumpkin, et al

For those of you who remember, bigel was right.

For those of you who remember, bigel said that if Israel were attacked, it had every right to destroy the world. I still have the link. If you want it, email me.

hans

Umm... is this the actual "nuke Europe" thread?

no. this is the "we get the Jews out, let the Muslims take over, THEN we nuke Europe" thread.

Any questions?

savage_nation

What's up with Jade?

Mr Swedish Chancellor, Jews do not expect to be unpunished for making such comments about Muslims. I have not heard anyone make a call to arms. Whereas I am privvy to allo sorts of irresponsible comments, I have never heard racism from a Jewish pulpit. These incendiary comments come strictly from Muslim pulpits, directed primarily against Jews and Zionists but also against America, the west and even your own country. To suggest that these comments are permissible in the context of Middle East conflicts you are a liar or a fool.

Jewnami-

Love has its place, as does hate. Peace has its place, as does war. Mercy has its place, as do cruelty and revenge.

Very Taoist. The Yin and the Yang. It is the Way of the World, that evil should always have some place. So those who would have Peace should know Vigilence is ever needed.

When asked about conservative Swedish websites that were shut down over the "Draw Mohammed" contest, Goran Lambertz had this to say..

Government authorities must in every meaningful way refrain from attempts to influence the editorial decisions of media protected by the provisions of the constitution. "Such attempts may only be made if there are very strong reasons," writes Lambertz. Legitimate reasons can be risk to human life or extraordinarily large sums of money, he writes, and not even then can such pressure be applied which amounts to preventing publication.

UD civil servant, Stefan Amér, acted following discussions with foreign secretary, Laila Freivalds, and is therefore beyond blame. Freivalds, who resigned over the affair on Tuesday, is considered responsible according to the Chancellor of Justice.

On 10th January this year, Sverigedemokraterna, one of Sweden's extreme right wing parties, announced a competition in their newspaper SD-kuriren. The paper called for drawings showing what the prophet Muhammad looked like. The first drawing was published on 3rd February, at the height of the controversy surrounding the cartoons published by Jyllands-Posten in Denmark.

The same day, the web hotel Levonline closed the paper's website after being contacted by UD and Säpo.

Legitimate reasons can be risk to human life or extraordinarily large sums of money. HuH? "Kill the Jews!" doesn't constitute risk of human life? and just how much money is an "extraordinarily large" amount? Are there journalists in Sweden who ask questions? Those are a couple I'd like to ask him.

#175 abc123

EUrope is not divided at all. Chirac's goal of a unified latrine will continue to flow.

Oh, get a grip. EUrope is about as divided as you can get. Italy wants to dump the euro, nobody can stand the French, the BNP is probably going to pick up seats in the UK municipal elections next month, and if it weren't for the fact of Easter Vacation, France would still be dealing with riots in the street.

You think EUrope is not divided? Watch the World Cup.

dummy.

should be judged differently – and therefore be regarded as permissible – because they were used by one side in an ongoing and far-reaching conflict where calls to arms and insults are part of the everyday climate in the rhetoric that surrounds this conflict”.

This guy has made an argument that would defend the Ku Klux Klan. "They insult us and want to kill us". And the judge says, "Well yes, that's what they do. Don't worry about it."

#181 grayp

this is the "we get the Jews out, let the Muslims take over, THEN we nuke Europe" thread.

Hey, what are we Christians? Chopped Liver?

Ann-

Would you like to be Chopped Liver^tm?

;)

Hehe...Chopped Liver...

187 Ann
Guess so, lol.

I'm having trouble with my e-mail connections, but I found that if you search on Sweden embassy you'll find their home page and that it has a "contact us" link. Why don't we write the ambassador and thank him for the lesson on how the world allowed Hitler to rise to power?

#185 grayp,

You think EUrope is not divided? Watch the World Cup.

Oooo! Are they gonna beat up on each other?

/pass the popcorn!
//best thing I made this Passover was chopped liver, btw :-)

Will not allow for Sage to refer to me as "chopped liver"

"rant off" Hey, Sage! Need one of these?
http://www.passionup.com/fun/fun245.htm

#183 W-lover

George Washington said:
There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy...

Darkness is the absence of light.
So long as there are souls without light in them there will be darkness in this world.

#180 Ann

Reason was replaced with hysterics here a long time ago.

#187 Ann

Hey, what are we Christians? Chopped Liver?

ANYBODY that doesn't get out is dhimmi.

Just you wait. There is going to be a huge diaspora from EUrope in about 5-6 years if nothing changes. Probably not to the U.S. as by then it will be really hard to get in.

Try Canada and Australia. This continent is going one of 2 ways:

absolute civil war

evacuation

Especially if 2008 goes to the Dems. These guys are waiting to see which way the wind blows.

There was a moonbat over on Fjordman's fall of France thread that actually posted

We need to get our troops out of harms way...we will need them in the near future for something far worse...to defeat Islam as a whole we must regroup and prepare by coming home.

We need to get our troops out of harm's way? We need to regroup by coming home? WTF?

Do we LOOK French?

I told it to fuck off.

But make no mistake. If the Dems win in '08, we're going to be putting these people in power.

#189 IF

L³eftism is a Disease of Dogs™

ahem.. Sir, you may want to rephrase that. Especially as it is Molly the Beagle's birthday and we both know what it's like to deal with a princess.

198 grayp
Darn, lol, thought it was Molly's birthday yesterday. Does Molly celebrate the entire week as she is special?

How old is she?

Jewnami-

There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy...

The Original George W!

Jr Dubs #1 (9.5 years in age) is our resident Presidential scholar. He told me his favorite President is George Washington. I asked him why, and he told me, "Because without him we wouldn't have any other Presidents". He made me proud with that answer.

So long as there are souls without light in them there will be darkness in this world.

Darkness and Light define eachother. Therefore, even in our darkest hours there will still be Light the darkness cannot touch.

200 W-lover
Hey, Dubs Jr. is a chip off the old block. Good for him!

#194 St. Pancake

Thanks for the beer. This is the second time I've thanked you tonight...

Did I refer to you as "Chopped Liver"?

Jewnami,
Isn't it just so? I've been thinking about that lately. How could someone who seemed so wrong just a few years ago have turned out to be so right? He really did understand what those people had in mind.

St Pancake

Molly's b-day is April 18 - she's 4.

Okay we boycott Swedish goods- Jarlsberg cheese, Volvos and what?

202 DesertSage
Did you open it up? *smile*

Hey, three times is the charm.

http://www.virtualpeeps.com/

Have no clue why this amuses me so. I am just going to bookmark it.

#188 Chopped Liver #1

LOL!

GrayP

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

W
;-)

205 Shifra
Isn't Ikea Swedish?

Another quote from Lambertz found from searching his name..

Göran Lambertz is the Swedish chancellor of justice in Sweden. One of his tasks is to monitor civil rights in the country. He sent a note to the Riksdag stated that a pastor delivering a sermon in church who stated that homosexual behavior was sinful "might" be considered as having committed a criminal act under this bill. He subsequently told Christianity Today magazine that the bill focused on "dangerous Nazi campaigning," and not on Christian speech. But he stated that: "The same rules apply everywhere, and I am sure there will be court cases defining [hate speech] also in the religious context."

Here's the link
So.. he's all gung-ho to prosecute hate-speech in a religious context, but not in an Islamic context. Ya got that Muslims? Lambertz is saying that Islam is not a religion. He's dissing Mohammed. Where's the protest?

bonz(#186),

You and some other posters have been interpreting the comment to mean that calls to arms and insults are part of Arab culture. What he is specifically claiming is calls to arms and insults are part of both Arab culture and Jewish culture. He is promoting a misconception let alone a defunct and dangerous logic, equating whatever jihadis do with something or other the Jews must have done that makes it OK. A familiar and stupid practise.

Well folks, I'm going off to practice being hysterical. (Don't think I've got it quite right yet. ;-)

Have a good evening, ALL, and see (some of) you on the Dead Thread!

St Pancake-

Thank you. I'll give his private school education some credit too.

Although...he recited all the President's in order for his teacher the moment she asked the kids if they knew any of the Presidents. LOL!

#196 Buckeye Abroad

Reason was replaced with hysterics here a long time ago.

Yeah, we noticed.

Don't know what else to say.

#174 Buckeye Abroad

Bigel was right about the EU and the French. Too bad he didn't limit his observations to the leadership of Europe instead of the continent as a whole. He was wrong about Poland and Denmark. He nailed Sweden. Like most people who go out on a limb, they fall off sometimes.

214 W-lover
Good for him, you, and the country. Keep it up, Dubs!

When I say the "French" I mean the leadership who pushed the EEC-EU Fourth Reich idea. Fact is, there are some very angry French people, absent a political party which represents their views. Le Pen has decided to go with Islam, which has always been a good fit for both the far Right and far Left.

I've been boycotting Sweden for awhile now so I'll add a couple to the list:

Absolut Vodka
Ikea (you were correct St. Pancake)
That Bikini Team

#208 abc123

Thanks for the link - I've bookmarked it in my 'Eurabia' folder.

But if this is intended to support your 'EUrope is not divided' premise, I'm not getting it.

221 grayp
Did not get it either. If anything, it demonstrates the great divide.

#197 grayp

We need to get our troops out of harm's way? We need to regroup by coming home? WTF?

I'm starting to see that the Kill Them All Now Crowd is no different than the Bring Our Troops Home Now idiots.

Both groups have no spine for the patience, wisdom and long-term strategy that preserving Western Civilization will take.

Good evening, all...

I don't know what to say, but what an amazing lack of testicles...

#218 Beagle

Le Pen has decided to go with Islam,

No way! Got any links?

#220 IF

Actually it is a paraphrase of one of my favorite quotes from Stalin.

What a very cool site! Tahnks!

20 Cato the Elder 4/18/2006 03:26PM PDT
A syllogism:

Luther was a great anti-Semite in his time.

Sweden is a nominally Lutheran country.

Ergo, Swedish anti-Semitism is no surprise.

Discuss.

Luther was at first sympathetic to the Jews saying that he could understant why the Jews would reject Catholic Christianity. Problems arose when the Jews rejected Lutheranism too and he went off the deep end into VERY nasty ranting against the Jews which the Nazis would use centuries later. Luther had a BAD anger problem and he apparently forgot the verse where G_d tells the Jews "I will bless him who blesses you and curse him who curses you"

IIRC Luther died shortly after penning his anti-semitic screed. Could be coincidence or ...

#203 kevin the ox
I remember thinking he was nuts.
Then came 9/11 , and some intensive studying about Islam ...6 months later I said "My God - he was a prophet."
BTW he was killed by jihadists in NYC - they were on the 1st WTC bombing "comittee"

[Link: www.crimelibrary.com...]

Iran will be an important test for Europe. Ahmadenijad may think jihad can be smoothed over with a few smart oil deals. America is in no position for that but Europe may be, and powerful European partners would obviously be a great boost to Iran's strategy and overall credibility. All Iran wants is some time to get its arsenal into gear while the world turns a blind eye. Would Europe sell out to an Iranian Armageddon? I guess that depends whether Ahmadenijad's cute calls to arms and insults can be overlooked as just part of the everyday climate in the rhetoric that surrounds this conflict.

heres my 2 bobs worth on this. I was taught throughout my school years that the "west" was to blame for most things. I was taught my ancestors were brutal genocidal maniacs. I was taught that christian people were Jesus freaks who oppressed milions.
And so on...
I was also told the world was overpopulated, everything was running out..ect

That was 20 years ago.
And people wonder why abortion and low fertility rates only seem to be popular in the "west"?
They wonder at the lack of respect for religon and government?
They wonder about the lack of will to say "NO" to the most self destructive urges among the young?

15 years of being taught you are bad, your society is bad, and your way of life will do that.
The communists wanted young minds to mould. They succeeded, just a bit too late to help themselves. The Jihadis will reap the rewards of their labours.

Jewnami-

I'm currently reading the koran. When I'm done, do you have any suggested follow-up reading? (So far, I've wanted to learn more about muhammed's life.)

The communists wanted young minds to mould. They succeeded, just a bit too late to help themselves. The Jihadis will reap the rewards of their labours.

Truth, this.

One might think the Swedes and other Euros would remember how Nazism began, but I guess that would be too optimistic about Europe's ability to stand up to the Islamofacists.

#196 Buck

Yes. I agree.

215 Ann-

Well- I've tried to bring some opptimism tonight.

#225 grayp

Le Pen went for the angry imams on the Danish cartoons. Perhaps it's limited to that. All I've found is one blog post and a couple French links which have expired.

#230 W-lover

Sword of the Prohet Serge Trifkovic
Why I am not a Muslim Ibn Warraq

Flush that book when you are done, and take pictures, LOL

224 christheprofessor

"waving"

226 noman
Hey, and I deal with that every year in my AP Euro class. What I loathed was when I looked for a copy of his screed, and found it on several "white power" sites.
There has been debate about this for years. Essentially, the Euro consensus appears to be that his antisemitism is more of the old-fashioned type. Therefore, it follows that it was not in the same vein as Hitler's rant.
At least, this is what is is said.
BTW, I stick to the Virtual Jewish Library site for historical documents dealing with this issue.

The remarkable thing is that the statement in support of antisemitism comes from the highest elite in Sweden, from the Swedish Chancellor of Justice, who is supposed to investigate and prosecute just such ethnic incitement.

What is the reason for this?

Here is a possible clue. It pertains to the political elites of Europe generally, and Sweden is certainly part of Europe. This is a statement by Glenn Reynolds, Instapundit:

"Europe, except maybe Germany to some degree, is in the hands of a political class that is morally leprous, intellectually bankrupt, and financially corrupt. Antisemitism seems to come naturally to such people."

[Link: instapundit.com...]

Ah, here it is.

It looks like a political oxymoron, but Jean-Marie Le Pen's National Front is poised to strike an alliance with France's large immigrant Muslim community.

It's been this way for centuries. Byzantine leaders used Islam against their opponents until they lost their empire.

#179 St. Pancake - don't forget that Singapore is largely Muslim itself, but controlled by the ethnic Chinese minority (as far as I'm aware). Meaning that without the iron rule and floggings, the Mouselooms would probably take over the place.

And of course the Mahometans have their own special law there.

#181 grayp

Surely the Swedes will have to do it for themselves, that's what I meant by "we" - i.e. each place will have to deal with it locally. But it can be dealt with. No death camps necessary, despite what the hysterical Left says every time a white European starts talking about protecting his culture. Just start deporting the bad actors and make life very, very difficult for the ones who sympathize.

Happy birthday to Molly. That was the first time we corresponded, when she was sick a year or so ago, remember?

#226 noman - yes, that's an accurate summation.

Throughout history there have been these types who thought they could offer the Jews something new and better, then got angry when they insisted on sticking to the God of Moses.

In fact, that's something Luther and Mahomet had in common.

229 thefrollickingmole

Sad, isn't it.

#223 Ann

I'm starting to see that the Kill Them All Now Crowd is no different than the Bring Our Troops Home Now idiots.

~~~waves to Ann ~~~

I think it was over the weekend - I had one of those days ploome is having now - run away and hide - please make it all go away - and when I get like that it goes like this

- I want Tehran taken out TONITE

- I want the world in mute shock over what we did

- I don't want to hear another fucking word out of these people for like 50 yrs

- and then I want to do it all over again just to prove the point.

Over the top, I know. And altho' I don't think we can 'do' Iran at the moment, I have absolutely no doubts that diplomacy is cast in the part of the EUnich at a gang bang. And I am not persuaded that converting Tehran into a glass parking lot wouldn't just accomplish some serious attitude readjustment.

just sayin'

W-lover:

[Link: www.bibleprobe.com...]

240 Cato the Elder
If this is what it takes...

If he has a wife, I wish he would seriously consider the effects on her. I have known couples that separated/divorced as a result of living under such conditions.

#231 Jewnami

Exactly so. Lenin planted the seeds, which have germinated, sprouted, and grown just in time for the islamos to harvest them. Their mother ship is sunk, they're orphaned, and they got a new daddy.

#242 grayp

And I am not persuaded that converting Tehran into a glass parking lot wouldn't just accomplish some serious attitude readjustment.

The Iranian position is even clearer.

"The business of America is business." Too bad the ideology of business offers no solutions to these kinds of problems. Business assumes enlightened self-interest.

grayp,

Saying just sayin' doesn't make the suggestion any more palatable. I am for speedy action against Iran. Proposing nuclear action will undoubtedly complicate that effort. If action isn't taken ASAP there may come a time when yours is the only option but I believe that Iran's nuclear intentions could be arrested right now using the armies to either side.

#216 Beagle

"Bigel was right about the EU and the French."

Really? How much time, researsh and validity has bigel spent in the EU to make such a broad stroked conclusion that it should be pacified with nukes?

"Too bad he didn't limit his observations to the leadership of Europe instead of the continent as a whole."

You're wrong. His observations did include the whole continent. He even chastized those european posters here who "slightly objected" to his premise. He was a prime example of becoming what you hate the most.

"Like most people who go out on a limb, they fall off sometimes."

If going out on a limb means condeming millions to death for which they did not deserve, then I prefer they fall off and their memories never resurrected. Alas, that seems not be.

There used to be posters at LGF who served in the IDF, who may have accomodated bigel, but refuted him with his grandiose visions of blood letting. The unintentional consequences were never an after thought with him, but those who experienced the role as a soldier were more adverse to his "nuke them all" quatsch.

Infidel -

YESSS LEE HARRIS anything by Lee Harris

All those books are good additions

#242 grayp

converting Tehran into a glass parking lot wouldn't just accomplish some serious attitude readjustment.

Oh, I fantasize about that too!

But I'm not the Leader of the Free World who knows so much more than any of us do, and who must bear the burden of sound, logical decisions based on that tsunami of information.

#250 Buckeye Abroad

Great memory, and great post.

#229 thefrollickingmole

heres my 2 bobs worth on this. I was taught throughout my school years that the "west" was to blame for most things. I was taught my ancestors were brutal genocidal maniacs. I was taught that christian people were Jesus freaks who oppressed milions.

Are you a Brit?

#238 EE

"Europe, except maybe Germany to some degree, is in the hands of a political class that is morally leprous, intellectually bankrupt, and financially corrupt. Antisemitism seems to come naturally to such people."

So nothing has really ever changed. And I wouldn't be so quick to let Germany off the hook.

When I moved to Europe four years ago, I became a little wiser. I recall
someone saying to me about an Aspen program whether we had "too many Jewish
names" as speakers. Shortly after I arrived in Germany I gave a speech in
Frankfurt, where a prominent businessman asked me during the coffee break
whether it was "the Jews" who were pushing the U.S. to invade Iraq.

Neutrality is not Possible

#239 Beagle, thanks for that link. I'll have to investigate further. That's weird.

The only thing I can think if is that they share anti-Semitism.

#240 Cato

Just start deporting the bad actors and make life very, very difficult for the ones who sympathize.

How do you deport your own citizens? (Yes, I remember last year. Thank g-d for pet insurance...)

#250 Buckeye Abroad

You're wrong.

Read it again. I said he didn't limit his observations to the EU or the leadership.

80% of Europe's laws are written by the EU. The EU comes from the EEC, built on the twin pillars of Jew-hatred and anti-Americanism. De Gaulle was a real prick.

I worked in Austria and traveled around Europe. But more than that I do my homework.

AI Yes

#245 Earth2moonbat

They are also ignorant and arrogant enough to think they can "control" Islam - this has been going on for 100 + years now. Actually 700 + if you count the European psuedo-crusader drive to oust the power of the Catholic church by using Islam as a tool... that's a long twisted story for another night. Always there has been complicity between the totalitarian western elite and the [bigoted word]s. There are western commie pamphlet makers and moonbat pamphlet takers but they are all together fools of the first degree running to their own doom.

BTW -
Everything you already knew about communist infiltration/propaganda in America, and some crapola you didn't, all in one neat place:

[Link: www.alamo-girl.com...]

Jewnami-

I've already defiled my koran. Right after I got it home. LOL! Thanks for the reading list.

Have a good night, folks!

#250 Buckeye Abroad

...those who experienced the role as a soldier were more adverse to his "nuke them all" quatsch.

Exactly! The Military posters here know what capabilities we have, and know what drilling, preparation and training for any scenario produces: Confidence.

The hand-wringer impatient ones have no such experience, so they resort to bleating.

On both ends of the hysterical spectrum.

Here is a better link to what I posted about in 211.

Lambertz told Christianity Today that the legislation is concerned with "dangerous Nazi campaigning," not with Christianity. But, he added, "The same rules apply everywhere, and I am sure there will be court cases defining [hate speech] also in the religious context."

Yet this bit here involves the current situation about the Muslim hate speech in Swedish Mosques.

Yet the Chancellor of Justice opines that owing to the Middle East conflict, “such expressions, despite their content, cannot be regarded as racial incitement according to Swedish law”. One might indeed wonder how the phrase “kill the Jews” needs to be expressed in order to be regarded as sufficient incitement to kill Jews, according to the Chancellor, who finds nothing inflammatory in the statement.

So he is opposed to "dangerous Nazi campaigning", but somehow in his corrupt line of thinking, "kill the Jews" doesn't rise to that level. Taken together, its clear that Lambertz is a pathetic snivelling, double-talker devoid of any principles or ethics. He is a sorry piece of scum that should be tossed out with the trash.

#252 Ann

But I'm not the Leader of the Free World who knows so much more than any of us do, and who must bear the burden of sound, logical decisions based on that tsunami of information.

Of course you're not.

Because I am. Get with the program, woodja?

I don't want to hear anymore about bigel. He was right about the anti-semitism in Europe, few of us here disputed it - and he had relatives in Belgium about whom he was terribly worried.

But his answer was extinction - he took upon himself the wrath of G-d.

There can be only one response.

NO.

AI

Glad you finally saw it. When I read it I thought of you right away. LOL

243 Jewnami-

One more thing, then I must go.

The fact that Muslims do not read and study the New Testament/the Gospel of Jesus is yet another contradiction in Islam.

So far, my favorite line in the koran is how the koran contains no contradictions.

W - have a great night I am off too. have to watch something innocuos to wind down now!

#255 Beagle

The EU comes from the EEC, built on the twin pillars of Jew-hatred and anti-Americanism. De Gaulle was a real prick.

Go back even further. It's worse than you think.

The Great Deception: The Secret History of the European Union.

One of the authors, Richard North, is the 'co-owner' of the invaluable blog

EU Referendum

Nah an Aussie. Have to go now. will follow this thread later.

#261 mich-again

Thanks for that link. Bookmarked. I'm going to use it to compose a letter.

Well, guys I'm off for the night.

love to all.

“should be judged differently – and therefore be regarded as permissible – because they were used by one side in an ongoing and far-reaching conflict where calls to arms and insults are part of the everyday climate in the rhetoric that surrounds this conflict”.

Frickin' Swedish dhimmies. An outright admission to judging people and organizations according to state-sanctioned double-standards. Un-freakin'-believable.

#262 American Infidel

All over the destruction of America scenarios again. Or of the world. Doesn't matter.

You just love this shit.

When I read the Koran from back cover to front, I had this revelation which seems to have escaped most Muslims...it's a freakin' jihadist cookbook.

Unlike the Bible in which Y*H*W*H instructs the children of Israel to possess the land and defend themselves from particularly pagan and bestial cultures - and it is generally understood by modern Jews and Christians alike these were commands given to the Jews specifically and uniquely in relation to those people which no longer exist today - not so the great masses of Muslims who still believe every Koranic command is in effect today.

The Muslims in general, and particularly the jihadists, lack total historical nuance. Islam is no more a religion of peace today than it was when it was hammered into existence by Mohammed back in the eighth century. Anyone who knows real history knows Mohammed was a military leader, a murderer, a raider of caravans, a plunderer, a pedophile (Aisha) and a serial deceiver. And his credentials are...?

I'll buy a Volvo when hell freezes over

#255 Beagle

"Read it again. I said he didn't limit his observations to the EU or the leadership."

Apologies.

Most europeans couldn't tell you the name of their representatives in Brussels/ Straßbourg. Hardly anyone heard of them before they voted, if they did [low voter turn out]. The EU will dissolve before it ever gets united. Turmoil is coming to this place in a major way, but not all encompassing and in different degrees depending geography.

"De Gaulle was a real prick."

Agreed, but De Gaulle is dead. Like LBJ.

#260 Ann

Western civilization´s enemies are human and beatable. The only thing keeping us from victory is the cultural/collective will to win, but the majority still do not recognize the struggle.

#223 Ann

Both groups have no spine for the patience, wisdom and long-term strategy that preserving Western Civilization will take

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Chalk it up to immaturity, Ann. There is a saying that there are those that plan for the future and those that plan for Saturday night. These are just "Saturday night people."

The immediate gratification is easier than worrying about what they will leave to future generations...

Addendum to my comment #85.

The only place Jews seem to be safe in this world is Israel and the U.S.

And not all that safe in Israel.

Remember 9/11. Nobody is safe anywhere from these ...

We should not be talking about Jews running from everywhere. If we do not fight, we all, Jews, Christian, and other infidels will have to run to WHERE?

Jews are not that safe in Israel. There was no response to the homicide bombing in Tel Aviv.
Probably Olmert's only response will be another pogrom of Jews.

There is nowhere to run.

There is absolutely NO REASON any Jew should (have to) leave Sweden.

That is complete Bull... I understand the thought...but JEWS MUST LEARN NOT TO RUN!

Are Arab/Muslims really that strong that they can chanse the pathetic Jews out of their homes? F NO!

Its just that the Muslims ACT! I would hate to advocate barbarism or violence...but it WORKS!

One prints a cartoon about Mo & the Arab/Muslims RIOT... the "World" freaks out & capitulates... we are still feeling the wake of thier violence...its because of the Muslim violence that the Jews are made victim. Like "Borders" the "world powers" are scared...!

However, kick Jews around all you want, shoot even kick them out of their homes... We all know those stupid Jews won't fight back! THEY (WE) HAVE LEARNED NOTHING FROM WW2.

I hate to blame the victim...as the Jews have done actually NOTHING to deserve this type of treatment...BUT WE (JEWS) MUST LEARN THAT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Was it not a Jew: Hillel: that said "If I am not for myself...who will be for me" ?

F'N STAND UP FOR YOURSELF JEWS! FIGHT! AM YISROEL CHAI! BE MACCABEES! REMEMBER KING DAVID! HAVE PRIDE & HONOR IN YOURSELF FOR G-D'S SAKE!

I pray not for a world where the "other" no longer tries to victimise us (Jews) [as it will never happen] but one where Jews no longer take it & will stand up for ourselves!

It is only then that they will stop & we can live in peace because of our pride!

This is not just bluster or ranting but an open, heartfelt call to every JEW who reads this! It through our action, thoughts & speech that our lives will be bettered! It doesn't happen around us...but because of us.

Buy a gun, learn to shoot, have PRIDE, have Self-Respect!...get an education, stand up for yourself...& above all...be a JEW...a Jew of Pride, Compassion, & STRENGTH!

It is us that ensures our future!

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As for books about Islam: there is always Irshad Manji, Ibn Wariq, Steve Emerson, Daniel Pipes, or Mier Kahane (I suggest "They Must Go!") [worst thing about Mier Kahane...is that he was Right]