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Swedish Muslims Demand Shari'a

Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 8:13:13 am PDT

The largest Muslim front group in Sweden has demanded that Sweden institute shari’a law. (Hat tip: LGF readers.)

Sweden’s largest Muslim organisation has demanded that Sweden introduce separate laws for Muslims, according to Swedish television. Sweden’s equality minister Jens Orback called the proposals “completely unacceptable”.

The Swedish Muslim Association, which represents around 70,000 Muslims in Sweden, has sent a letter to all Sweden’s main political parties suggesting a number of reforms, SVT’s Rapport programme reported.

The proposals include allowing imams into state (public) schools to give Muslim children separate lessons in Islam and their parents’ native languages. The letter also said that boys and girls should have separate swimming lessons and that divorces between Muslims should be approved by an imam.

The letter provoked an instant, and damning, response from integration and equality minister Jens Orback. “We will not have separate laws in Sweden. In Sweden, we are all equal before the law. In Sweden, we have fought for a long time to achieve gender-neutral laws, and to propose that certain groups should not be treated like others is completely unacceptable.”

Orback said he had spoken to representatives of the Swedish Muslim Council, and they did not support the association’s position. “We have freedom of speech, we have the right to opinions and we have the right to make proposals - but if a law is going to be changed, it must be the same for everyone.”

Asked whether the proposal plays into the hands of racists, Orback said that it did.

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1 godfrey  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:15:26am

Don't do it.

2 pegcity  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:15:38am

sweden is so screwd and i for one couldnt be happier

3 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:16:54am

Bork! bork! Bork!

4 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:16:56am
5 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:17:11am

And I demand that the Sanhedrin reconvene.... immediately..... worldwide, and that as a Jew I am subject only to their rulings and not the rulings of "my host country"


Guess who gets their demand met first?

Frikkin parasites. Leeches.
They will suck the life out of every "host country" that lets them latch on and draw blood.

6 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:17:13am

(tosses spoon)

7 Avner.  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:17:42am

This doesnt make any sense

Sweden:

Total population: 9 million

Muslim population: 300,000

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

8 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:17:59am

It's just a matter of time, babies.

The muslim invaders will keep coming, they will keep multiplying like [DELETED] and there you will have your Islamic Republic of Sweden.

/Sing with me:

"Let it be, let it be..."

And they did let it be...

9 Canadastani  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:18:37am

I love how this "plays into the hands of racists" - since only racists would be nervous about Sharia law being introduced in a secular country.

#4 AI Ontario has Sharia courts for family matters - I am not kidding

10 godfrey  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:19:06am
"Sweden has equality between men and women. To introduce exceptions for Muslims so that women can be oppressed with the support of the law is completely unacceptable to me," Liberal leader Lars Leijonborg wrote in a statement.

It's completely unacceptable, period.

11 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:19:20am
12 Chicken Kiev  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:19:35am

OT: The six men who gang-raped and then brutally murdered sixteen-year-old Mary Ann Leneghan in Britain have been jailed for life, an unusually strict sentence by Euro standards.

The British MSM tried to cover up the murderers' links with the "Muslim Boys" gang, and the fact that at least one of the killers (Jamaile Morally) had a Koran with him during the early part of the trial.

The 16-year-old was raped and beaten before being stabbed to death in Reading, Berkshire, in May last year.

The gang was also convicted of the attempted murder of her friend, 19, who survived being shot in the head.

Adrian Thomas, 20, Michael Johnson, 19, Jamaile and Joshua Morally, 22 and 23, Llewellyn Adams, 24 and Indrit Krasniqi, 18, were all being sentenced.

13 tankdemon  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:19:38am

But the Muslims should try to be tolerant of the Swedish society and accept that the Swedish culture, despite lutefisk, is no worse than the Islamic culture. They must embrace the fact that Europe is a multi-culti wonderland.

14 Isobella  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:20:05am

If these Muslims want to live under Sharia law - why don't they just move to a Muslim country?

Good grief.

15 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:20:11am

#4 American Infidel

5-10yrs from now?!?

Naaah, I could still be alive by then.

A little bit more.

Not much more.

16 John B  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:20:11am

Only 70,000 Muslims in Sweden? They sure punch above their numbers when it comes to being a pain in the ass. Of course, any sane host culture would show them the door and invite them to leave.

17 solomonpanting  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:20:47am
In Sweden, we have fought for a long time to achieve gender-neutral laws, and to propose that certain groups should not be treated like others is completely unacceptable.”

What gender are Muslims?
Neutral?

18 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:21:45am
19 BrianA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:22:09am

"but if a law is going to be changed, it must be the same for everyone"

Exactly what they want. They better get ready to pay the jiyza. They're paying the price for their prior dhimmitude.

The Suburban Crusader

20 Happy Viking  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:22:12am

Just give us what we want and nobody gets hurt....for now

21 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:22:14am
22 John B  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:22:34am

#7 Avner:

Thanks for the clarification. 70,000 didn't look right.

23 Chicken Kiev  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:22:49am

Sweden was so socialist for so long. Ironically, it was also one of the most expensive countries to travel in. During my trips to Europe in the '80s and '90s, I could never afford to sleep in a Swedish hotel -- only Sweden and Switzerland were too costly for this former backpacker.

And now Sweden has turned into a Jew-hating, crime-ridden hell. I know you "couldn't be happier," pegcity, but it scares me. I don't like the idea of dominoes falling and knocking each other down.

24 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:23:06am
25 tigger2005  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:23:13am

Wow. Orback has spine. I hope we can get all the people like that out of Sweden before it's completely overrun.

26 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:23:51am
27 ibrodsky  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:24:01am

After all, they are on a roll, having (no doubt) pressured Sweden to pull out of a military exercise in which Israel is also participating.

28 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:24:05am

Shari'a Law and Socialism.
A match made in hell.

What a perfect recipe for societal collapse.

29 godfrey  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:24:35am

solomonpanting

we have fought for a long time...therefore...

I'm not convinced these Swedes get it. Equality under the law isn't right because you think it's right, or because you fought for it. It's right because it's right.

The Swedes should be using this as an opportunity to expose the injustice and incoherence at the heart of sharia law.

30 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:24:57am

Infidel @ 18

[Link: www.thereligionofpeace.com...]

A reminder for the amnesiatic

31 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:25:23am
32 solomonpanting  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:25:51am

#16 John B

Only 70,000 Muslims in Sweden?

I believe that figure is the amount represented by the SMA, not a total for all of Sweden.

33 The Concerned Engineer  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:26:13am

OT:
Is there something the mater with conservative blogs today? I can't get into Powerline, Hugh Hewitt or Captain's Quarters

34 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:26:26am

#28 FrogMarch 4/28/2006 08:24AM PDT
Shari'a Law and Socialism.
A match made in hell.

What a perfect recipe for societal collapse.


Amen Frogmarch
question for you:
Would those be the frogs of revelations marching in your nic?

35 bweep  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:26:32am
from integration and equality minister Jens Orback. “We will not have separate laws in Sweden.
- but if a law is going to be changed, it must be the same for everyone.”

I think they missed the point. They don't want separate laws. They want the law to be the same for everyone. They just insist on it being Sharia law.

36 ggt  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:26:35am

I finally saw the light the other day. Collectivism fits with Islam and Individualism fits with Judeo/Christianity.

So the old saying, "East and West and never the two sides will meet" is correct.

Whoever has Jerusalem will never give it up without a war. This will never end, we must stand our ground or lose it.

37 spanishpete  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:26:39am

give it to them and then let them deal with the scum in malmo,
lots of one handed youths.
fear is the only thing that will stop a muslim from commiting crime, and they have nothing to fear from our prison systems.

38 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:26:54am

Somebody linked to a Mark Steyn book review in Mccall's of the Fallaci book, that looked at Yurpian multi-culti and Islam in a humorous, yet scary way.

39 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:27:07am
Asked whether the proposal plays into the hands of racists, Orback said that it did.


I'm not sure how to read that.

The way I want to read it is that he means that the Swedish Muslim Association is a racist organization trying to set up a seperate state based on it's racist views.

(But he probably didn't mean it that way)

40 realwest  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:27:15am

CHARLES - MikeO at comment #21 on the previous thread said that Hosting Matters reports it's under a major DOS attack. Not that you probably didn't know that, but still............!

41 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:27:26am
42 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:27:28am
43 Dave the.....  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:28:04am

AI

When will the demands for shari'ah start pouring in in the United States?!?


I'm really surprised it hasn't started yet. I wonder if the America's very free society is one reason it hasn't happened yet.

Not comparing the two groups, but look at how the Amish are able to have their own society within the U.S.

44 godfrey  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:28:33am

8 poitiers, 24 AI

Pessimism is unhelpful.

At any innocent tea-table we may easily hear a man say, "Life is not worth living." We regard it as we regard the statement that it is a fine day; nobody thinks that it can possibly have any serious effect on the man or on the world. And yet if that utterance were really believed, the world would stand on its head... We never speculate as to whether the conversational pessimist will strengthen or disorganize society; for we are convinced that theories do not matter.
45 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:28:55am
Is there something the mater with conservative blogs today? I can't get into Powerline, Hugh Hewitt or Captain's Quarters


Problems at my end too.

46 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:29:02am

...Affluenza, but OK!
;~P

47 quark2  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:29:15am

If they disagree, why not then put all the
country under shari'a.
All things then will still be neutral and balanced.
/sarc

48 solomonpanting  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:29:51am

#29 godfrey

I'm not convinced these Swedes get it. Equality under the law isn't right because you think it's right, or because you fought for it. It's right because it's right.

The Swedes should be using this as an opportunity to expose the injustice and incoherence at the heart of sharia law.

Yeah, what a dilemma! Trying to balance 'one law for all' with tolerance and diversity.

"Trouble
Oh trouble
Won't you leave me in my misery?"

49 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:29:53am

the blogs are under cyber-attack right now according to many posters on various threads....

50 realwest  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:29:55am

#45 Village Idiot's Apprentice see my #40.

51 Chicken Kiev  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:30:10am

In 2004, a Muslim gang killed 14-year-old James Waite in Sweden.

At around 9.30pm a group of youths "with immigrant backgrounds" arrived at the area, known as 'the bay of love'. Patrick Andersson, 14, told Aftonbladet that they immediately singled James - who was also dressed in the skinhead style - out from the crowd.

"The immigrants went straight up to James Waite and asked him 'Are you racist or Nazi?' ...."

Andersson described how the gang then punched and kicked James Waite to the ground, screaming, "you're going to die". In the melee, the 16 year old allegedly pulled out a knife and stabbed James in the chest. He died in an ambulance on the way to Karolinska hospital.

This case has since become a rallying-point for extreme-right groups such as Stormfront and the BNP, which just shows that Michael Savage might be right when he says he's afraid that Europe will react to the Muslim hordes by turning into skinheads and electing fascists (who also hate Jews).

52 ggt  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:30:14am

quark2

put all the
country under shari'a.

And there will be Peace thru Slavery.

53 Fjordman  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:30:19am

I made a comment about this yesterday:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

This happens at the same time as the number of rape charges in Sweden has quadrupled, largely thanks to Muslim immigrants, at a time when Swedish Jews are no longer safe in Swedish cities, thanks in large again to Muslims, and at a time when Sweden's third largest city, Malmø, has been brought to its knees by the worst crime wave in modern Scandinavian history, thanks to immigrants who brag about how they are "waging a war against Swedes." And the only thing the Social Democratic Swedish government is doing about this is......sending more money to Hamas. In my post about the Muslim rape wave in Sweden, I included a draft protest message about the situation in English and attached the emails of a number of Swedish politicians and journalists. Please, if you ever read any of my online material and like it, take a couple of minutes of your time and email a protest to as many of these addresses as possible.

Tell them that unless Swedish authorities withdraw their donations to Hamas and use the money to protect Swedish Jews, Swedish women from gang rape and the citizens of Malmø from Muslim crime, then the Swedish government should resign immediately. Tell them also that Sweden is a disgrace to the civilized world and that you will from now on boycott Swedish products unless these steps are taken.

Again, I would appreciate it if you do this.

54 godfrey  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:30:26am

dave the...

The Amish follow their own sharia-like laws?

55 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:30:35am

#23 Chicken Kiev

I don't like the idea of dominoes falling and knocking each other down.

That's exactly what is happening.
Every day, a little piece falling and hitting another little piece, causing it to fall the day after.
That's called THE INVASION.

Same in the media, same in the schools.

Billions moving: of people and of money... a lot of money, able to buy ALL the politicians, all the journalists, everybody.

56 Beagle  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:30:59am

Last night I gave Sweden's leadership five years before they'd bail to save their asses. Um, that was overly optimistic. I expect rats on rafts any day now.

Sweden is a test case of what happens when a small, pacifistic, socialist state allows a substantial, but not large, percentage of Muslims in without assimilation.

Really, why didn't the EU try this out on France - only - before jumping in with both feet? It was de Gaulle's idea. If any nation should have been the guinea pig before administering lethal dosages all over the continent, it's France.

This is conquest, pure and simple. It's not like they deny it.

57 bweep  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:32:09am

#12 Chicken Kiev
Life means they'll be let out at some point but will just registerd for life. Most of them were on probabtion when they did that anyway. Makes me sick. We need justice Texas style.

58 pegcity  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:33:04am

#4 AI Ontario has Sharia courts for family matters - I am not kidding

No they don't. And on top of that they disallowed the jewish and christian ones as well.

Can't have judeo christianity can we.

59 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:33:21am

#23 Chicken Kiev

I don't like the idea of dominoes falling and knocking each other down.

That's exactly what is happening.
Every day, a little piece falling and hitting another little piece, causing it to fall the day after.
That's called THE INVASION.

Same in the media, same in the schools.

Billions moving: of people and of money... a lot of money, able to buy ALL the politicians, all the journalists, everybody.

60 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:33:43am
61 mj  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:34:03am

Dumb Muslims. They should have asked that all Swedish Jews be expelled or beheaded. The Swedish government would have looked upon that request with favor.

62 Dave the.....  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:34:12am
The Amish follow their own sharia-like laws?


No no no. Just meant that some groups can quietly operate according to their beliefs without forcing society as a whole to subscribe to them.

Maybe it's a bad comparison. Stopping education at age 16, not having lighted exit signs in public buildings, etc isn't quite the same as sharia laws.

63 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:34:36am

cant believe Lgf is still running.
Charles must have paid his cyber bill.

Many blogs are down,
the electrician must be a democrat.

64 mad_scientist  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:34:56am

So it begins......

65 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:35:09am

I gues it's a good thing that HM moved LGF to it's own dedicated server quiet a while ago.

Right after we got hammered by another major DOS attack.

66 jehu  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:35:42am
In Sweden, we have fought for a long time to achieve gender-neutral laws, and to propose that certain groups should not be treated like others is completely unacceptable.”


Yeah, finally you are aroused, them going against your polictically correct victories it took decades to win. You guys are sooo fucked. France meet Sweeden, Sweeden...France.

67 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:35:46am

Amen Ploome @ 60
Fjordman, thank you.

68 Avner.  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:35:56am

Official US Report Ignores Pakistan’s Anti-Israel Boycott

[Link: israelnn.com...]

A US government report on international trade barriers ignores Pakistan’s long-standing boycott of Israeli-made goods, and Bush is not pressing Pakistan to drop its embargo of the Jewish state.

69 yesandno  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:36:28am

Shakespeare was wrong...

A rose by any other name is NOT a rose.

Sharia Law is not developed, civilized law...it is a elementary law of someone who is judge, jury, and executioner all in one developed from the primitive mind desiring order that comes only from power over everything.

A rose is not a rose is not a rose.

By the way, why is Mohammad the 'Prophet'? What exactly was his prophesy?

70 soccerdad  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:37:01am

Agreed -- Powerline and CQ are unavailable right now.

71 Chicken Kiev  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:37:05am

# 57 bweep

I guess you're right. I thought at least it's better than the usual two-year sentence for rape that seems standard over there. These six monsters really brutalized that poor girl and tried to kill her friend (who miraculously survived) and the press did everything it could to make her out to seem a dumb slut while hiding all details about her killers.

The Swedish crime rate is skyrocketing and there's only one group responsible for that, and this too is being covered up. Sweden used to be one of the cleanest, safest countries in Europe and now even the police are afraid to enter Malmö.

72 ggt  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:37:06am

All Hail Charles and his infinite wisdom in protecting the LGF server!

Hail, Hail (or is it Hale, Hale?)

73 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:37:22am
74 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:38:34am

cant believe Lgf is still running.
Charles must have paid his cyber bill.

Many blogs are down,
the electrician must be a democrat.

75 BH  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:38:42am

Well, I, for one, welcome our new Swedish Muslim overlords!

/Brockman

76 WriterMom  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:39:10am

The Swedish politicians and media SBUT (Sha'aria Be Upon Them) seem content to stick their heads in a bowl of 72 meatballs and say "lalalallala I am not listening".

It might be too late for any potential rescue.

77 Dave the.....  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:39:12am

LGF slowed down for just a minute or two for me, but is back to normal speed now.

78 ronaldusmagnus  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:39:18am

Any country that has an integration and equality minister is doomed.

(Wondering who ours is...)

79 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:39:27am

34 BabbaZee

No. I'm not much of a biblical scholar.

It's a reference to the left's obsession with seeing the evil Karl Rove "Frogmarched" out of the white house.
I live to mock the left.

80 godfrey  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:39:36am

fjordman

That single post of yours has done more to trouble my LLL acquaintances than just about anything else online.

The "immigrant" word in the title is a hurdle to them. It instantly puts them on guard. Is it the best word to use, or the most effective? We all know that the rapists do not want to become part of Sweden; they want Sweden to become part of them.

"Rape Wave in Sweden" would do just as well a job, and probably do a better job of getting liberals to read further without instinctive skepticism.

.02

81 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:39:51am

#43 Dave the...

but look at how the Amish are able to have their own society within the U.S.

And yet, are entirely subject to the US legal system.

Somewhat on topic...-ish: After reflecting on the case of a Mexican acquiantance who likes to rant about how racist, etc. the US is, but who went to great trouble to obtain US citizenship (no irony there, right?), I started to wonder: Is there any country in the world with respect to which we are not net recipients of immigration?

Has anyone seen any info on this? I've been googling around a bit, but while there's loads of information about immigration TO the US, it's hard to find much about emigration FROM the US, much less any sort of per-country breakdown. (In fact, if you google "emigration from united states", you get mostly pages and pages of hits about immigration to the United States; which should tell you something right there.)

If anyone has seen something on this, I'd be interested.

83 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:40:21am
84 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:41:35am

34 BabbaZee

No. I'm not much of a biblical scholar.

It's a reference to the left's obsession with seeing the evil Karl Rove "Frogmarched" out of the white house.
I live to mock the left.

85 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:42:11am

#44 ***frey

Pessimism is unhelpful.

I am laughing so loud that I will need a complete change.

You shouldn't do these things to a man of my age.

#73 American Infidel

C'mon, the fellow is too funny !

/AND I WILL BE SO COMPASSIONATE not to tell you what I would think if I were pessimistic...

86 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:42:18am

The rough beast slouches toward Bethlehem...

87 BH  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:42:43am

Well, I, for one, welcome our new Swedish Muslim overlords!

/Sven Brockman

88 Golem Akbar  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:43:19am

Swedenistan. And I think the Muslim demands are completely reasonable, given the nature of European appeasement these days.

89 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:43:23am

test

90 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:43:33am
91 WriterMom  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:44:12am

The Swedish politicians and media SBUT (Sha'aria Be Upon Them) seem content to stick their heads in a bowl of 72 meatballs and say "lalalallala I am not listening".

It might be too late for any potential rescue.

92 Geepers  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:44:16am

mad_scientist,

Did you ever get an email from me about the BBQ?

93 godfrey  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:44:45am

AI

pessimism. noun. 1. A tendency to stress the negative or unfavorable or to take the gloomiest possible view. 2. The doctrine or belief that this is the worst of all possible worlds and that all things ultimately tend toward evil. 3. The doctrine or belief that the evil in the world outweighs the good.
94 ggt  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:45:13am

I've been having posting problems and refresh problems. I think it's the new Norton Anti-Virus.

I'll Check-in Later.

Have a great day all!

95 quark2  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:45:24am

@57 bweep

You should move to Texas, you'd fit right in. :)

/jacksonian texican

96 Asylum Aleikum  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:45:29am

“We have freedom of speech, we have the right to opinions and we have the right to make proposals - but if a law is going to be changed, it must be the same for everyone.

No problem. Just make Sharia the law of the land, you dhimmi.

97 MoonbatBane  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:45:49am

#11 Peacekeeper

Borg

98 BH  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:46:16am

Well, I, for one, welcome our new Swedish Muslim overlords!

/Sven Brockman

99 Beagle  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:46:24am
Asked whether the proposal plays into the hands of racists, Orback said that it did.


Yet anyone can convert with one sentence. Funny, I can't change my race unless I go to Michael Jackson's doctor with a suitcase of Franklins. And we all know how well that worked out.

One of the worst, and soon to be growing fast, problems in Europe (France especially) are new, white, converts to Islam. They tend to be more violent and extreme than older Muslims who've survived the shahid years.

It's too far along in the process to believe anyone could really be this stupid. So Europeans will continue to play their little political games while ignoring the real war.

100 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:46:33am
101 Fjordman  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:46:42am
I think you are so intelligent and brave to do what you do.

It's not very brave as long as you hide behind a pseudonym on the Internet. But this is the only reason why I haven't been either attacked or dragged in front of some dhimmi court yet. It's scary, but this really is how bad Europe has become.

As I have stated before: This is a world war, we're already in the middle of one. I don't think it is inevitable that Europe will fall to Islam, at least not all of it, but yes, civil wars are inevitable in some countries such as France, Belgium and Sweden. This will happen within the coming decade.

102 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:47:43am
103 ggt  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:48:04am

fjordman: do you have a mirror site? just in case?

really leaving now.

104 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:48:20am

#73 AI:

we still have peeps that say (wait for it): ISLAM IS A RELIGION

Of course it's a religion.

From the Oxford English Dictionary:

religion:

5. a. Recognition on the part of man of some higher unseen power as having control of his destiny, and as being entitled to obedience, reverence, and worship; the general mental and moral attitude resulting from this belief, with reference to its effect upon the individual or the community; personal or general acceptance of this feeling as a standard of spiritual and practical life.


It's a violently intolerant, essentially imperialistic religion; but it's still a religion.

105 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:49:27am

I think "pessimism" and "realism" get seriously confused around here a lot lately.

I am by no means pessimistic - every who knows me knows I have always maintained that we will win in the end, even if I'm the last sane individual left alive, armed with only a rock, missing one arm, both feet and all my teeth, bleeding to death and out of breath... we will win.

But being optimistic does not mean blinding oneself to the truth, does not mean not preparing for the inevitable hell and horror that awaits us all, in our near future, through the auspices of the mad maurauding Islamic hordes worldwide and our world wide leaders inability or unwillingness to take the fight to the evil that threatens us all.

If you read op-eds from the 1930's the similarities are chilling. Where is our Churchill?

Any of the people reading this who know their scripture will also have a dimension to the realism that is prophetic in nature and inextricably related to the current world we live in.

Believe in the best but prepare for the worst.

I post my old
Fellowship of the Ring-Dings Call to Battle:

Hold your ground! Hold your ground.
Sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers,

I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me.

A day may come when the courage of men fails,
when we forsake our friends
and break all bonds of fellowship,
but it is not this day.

An hour of wolves and shattered shields,
when the age of men comes crashing down,
but it is not this day.
This day we fight!

For all that you hold dear on this good Earth,
I bid you stand, Men of the West!

106 godfrey  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:50:16am

poitiers

Your nic's namesakes weren't pessimists. They could distinguish between realism and pessimism.

Surely you're capable of the same.

107 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:50:43am
108 MoonbatBane  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:50:51am

#11 Peacekeeper

Borg

109 Zevy  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:51:29am

Is this the same Sweden that just embraced a Hamas "ambassador", and wouldn't join Israel in air force trainng?

110 Beagle  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:52:35am

#105 BabbaZee

maurauding Islamic hordes worldwide


Not here. The marauding wouldn't last much further than one subdivision. It's one thing to be peaceful, another to be disarmed.

111 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:52:44am
112 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:55:43am
113 mad_scientist  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:57:19am

#92 Geepers

Did you ever get an email from me about the BBQ?

No, dont think I have. Is it still on?

114 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:58:36am
115 Beagle  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:59:14am

#104 OR

Islam is a religion in the ancient-medieval sense. Christendom = Dar-al-Islam, sort of.

In terms of modern conceptions of religion in the West, no, it's not even close to a religion. But our modern notions are a recent advance made over the backs of millions of corpses.

Religion in the older sense was politics, philosophy, law, and strict rules for daily life.

116 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:00:16am

#106 ***frey

Surely you're capable of the same.

Now it's not only your content that is funny: even the tone is getting better, funnier and funnier.

/Man, there is a whole crowd of these thingos around (I mean on the Net).
Wow, will they be surprised when all the rational discussion we had here for years and years will be proven correct in every detail !

//But of course there are many friends of the enemy too, they go around saying that there is no reason to worry...

And in fact I don't worry, we will frigging win, even if it will cost a terrible price that could have been avoided with a normal amount of determination.

117 godfrey  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:00:44am

AI

Look no further than the article Charles posted:

Liberal Party leader Lars Leijonborg also slammed the idea of separate laws.

In this war, praising the rewarding the good is just as important as identifying and fighting the bad. It is often thought that constant focus on the bad makes a person world-wise. It can just as easily make a person world-weary. Weary people find it difficult to fight hard and keep fighting. See where I'm going with this?

Feel free to paint me "mauve" or "rose." It's more evidence of your pessimism.

118 Earth2moonbat  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:00:59am

#114 American Infidel

See top thread.

119 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:01:18am

#111 AI:

Uh, okay, zombie said it, I believe you. But it's still incorrect.

Islam, by its own definition and by the definition of its leading scholars, is an all-encompassing social, political, spiritual, personal and intellectual worldview that does not leave room for or even allow any other lifestyles.

I agree with every single word of that. But it's an entirely different point. None of that leads to the conclusion of "... and therefore, it's not a religion". 15th Century Catholicisim easily matched this description, but is also generally regarded as a "religion".

The notion of there being such a distinct thing as a "religion" is a condescending Orientalist concept we imposed on Muslim philosophy, which made no such distinction.

Ummm, and since when am I bound to use my own native language in accordance with Muslim philosophical precepts? According to the commonly accepted definition of the English word "religion", Islam fits the bill. Pointing out that it's a bad or flawed religion doesn't change that. And why the hell should I modify my usage of my native language because the mullahs don't see it the same way?

120 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:01:40am

#110 Beagle
You are right, of course, (counts her guns) it's just my flourishy writing style...metaphorical hordes as applies to us, LOL

121 bweep  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:02:22am

#95 quark2

You should move to Texas, you'd fit right in. :)

If I could get in legally I would. Maybe when I've made my fortune US immigration will let me retire there. For the moment I'll have to make do with LGF.
Anyway, they'll need me to man one of the barricades in the UK if things get much worse. We've got local elections in a few weeks. The BNP are expected to do well with their anti immigration policies. The media are getting nervous about it. It seems nobody's been swallowing their lies and a serious anti-Islam backlash is on the cards.

122 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:03:32am

#105 BabbaZee, OUR Churchill is at University of Colorado at Boulder. His first name is Ward!

/couldn't resist

123 mad_scientist  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:03:39am

#92 Geepers

Did you ever get an email from me about the BBQ?

No, dont think I have. Is it still on?

124 Beagle  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:04:24am

#117 godfrey

The problem is EU policy and what happens when the Muslims decide they won't take no as an answer to their demands. Fact is, according to the idiotic EU documents going back for three decades, caving in to shari'a would be the default position. The UK did it back in 1982 for family law and some other issues. Polygamy, peachy keen in the UK now for Muslims.

Sweden may hang on by a thread. I applaud this first position of strength. Let's see if it lasts.

125 EE  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:04:27am

It is inevitable that Europe will become Islamicized, because
(1) the birthrates are such that the Muslim population doubles every generation, while the non-Muslim population declines every generagtion, and
(2) European states are liberal democracies.

The jihad to change Europe from Dar al-Harb to Dar al-Islam is now in a peaceful stage. Whatever victories can be gained for Sharia by peaceful means will be taken. But when the Muslim strength reaches a majority, and probably even before then considering what is happening in other places around the world, the jihad will turn violent IMO.

The Muslim immigrant population of Europe is alientated, it feels entirely separate, it is indigestible, and it will continue to separate itself more and more from what the non-Muslim population thinks, says, and does. Its loyalties will also not be with the European states, but with the ummah, with Sharia, with Islam, with the Prophet, and with Allah -- and there is no room in that scheme for loyalty to kafir states. The more they separate, the more the schism develops and gets more pronounced.

126 mad_scientist  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:05:39am

damn, sorry about my double post also. Computer is doing some strange stuff today.

127 godfrey  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:05:47am

poitiers

there is no reason to worry...

Straw man. Where have I ever said this? Link, please.

128 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:07:06am
129 Geepers  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:07:27am

mad_scientist (#113),

Is it still on?


Oh yeah!

Click my nic and hit the sign up button and I'll put you through.

130 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:08:25am

#122 Roger
Oy AND Vey! Twice!
LOL

131 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:09:04am

#101 Fjordman:

or dragged in front of some dhimmi court

On that topic: Mark Steyn, "Celebrate Tolerance, Or You're Dead".


Diversity-wise, Europe is a very curious place -- and I mean that even by Canadian standards. In her latest book, The Force of Reason, the fearless Oriana Fallaci, Italy's most-read and most-sued journalist, recounts some of her recent legal difficulties with the Continental diversity coercers. The Federal Office of Justice in Berne asked the Italian government to extradite her over her last book, The Rage and The Pride, so she could be charged under Article 261b of the Swiss Criminal Code. As she points out, Article 261b was promulgated in order to permit Muslims "to win any ideological or private lawsuit by invoking religious racism and racial discrimination. 'He-didn't-chase-me-because-I'm-a-thief-but-becaus e-I'm-a-Muslim.' " She's also been sued in France, where suits against writers are routine now. She has had cases brought against her in her native Italy and, because of the European Arrest Warrant, which includes charges of "xenophobia" as grounds for extradition from one EU nation to another, most of the Continent is now unsafe for her to set foot in.
132 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:10:06am
133 godfrey  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:10:54am

Beagle

Let's see if it lasts.

Let's help make it last.

134 quark2  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:10:55am

@57 bweep

You should move to Texas, you'd fit right in. :)

/jacksonian texican

135 Wm T Sherman  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:11:28am

# 29 godfrey

The Swedes should be using this as an opportunity to expose the injustice and incoherence at the heart of sharia law.

I think exposing the injustice and incoherence at the heart of Swedish socialism is essential also. It's not clear to me that Sweden is a really a democracy. So many things cannot even be mentioned, let alone voted upon.

136 westoner  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:12:29am

I hope there are enough people in Europe with past or recent military experience to start forming the underground militias and resistance movements that will be necessary to defend Europe against both the islamic supremacists and the political and cultural elites that are actively collaborating with them.

You can be sure the enemy are secretly training and preparing to fight such a war in Europe. In the late 1990s for example, thousands of muslims in the UK attended the terrorist training grounds in Afghanistan. This was common knowledge in the UK at the time, but was largely ignored, or excused away as if muslims in the UK had some sort of right to para-military training.

137 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:13:13am

#125 EE, so establishing one's superior morality by finding all the moderate Muslims and making sure they are comfortable and invited to breed as US citizens has consequences? Who knew.

138 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:13:18am

#127 ***frey

Straw man. Where have I ever said this? Link, please.

no straw man.
by judging pessimistic my point of view (that is FAR from pessimistic... and I will not help the enemy telling what could be done NOW, TOMORROW and THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW to bring the West to its knees in 72 hours)(and THAT COULD be being pessimistic) you imply directly and strongly that there is no reason to worry.

The fact is, we are in a black and white situation here and of course the brainwashing of the last thirty/fifty years blinds a large majority of us:
in a black and white situation (like in the Cold War, for example)BY not denouncing the immediate and deadly danger for the West you find yourself helping the enemies of the West.

That too, of course, will be judged simplistic and pessimistic.

139 Van Impe  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:14:24am
Asked whether the proposal plays into the hands of racists, Orback said that it did


The above comment is of course in response to a question by a reporter. This is a good example of how the liberal media collaborates with Muslims. The media immediately polarizes the issue, by linking any opposition to the concept with racists, therefore blocking any legitimate opposition - as most liberals would rather be beheaded than labeled racist.

140 Geepers  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:14:31am

mad_scientist (#113),

Is it still on?


Oh yeah!

Click my nic and hit the sign up button and I'll put you through.

141 godfrey  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:16:22am

Wm T Sherman

Swedes need to be convinced they're crippling their own ability to survive any attack from within.

142 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:17:16am

So I can safely assume I'm not the only one having trouble posting comments to LGF at the moment? (comment never seems to quite post, have to hit "stop" and then refresh page to see if it made it)

143 Van Impe  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:18:11am
Asked whether the proposal plays into the hands of racists, Orback said that it did


The above comment is of course in response to a question by a reporter. This is a good example of how the liberal media collaborates with Muslims. The media immediately polarizes the issue, by linking any opposition to the concept with racists, therefore blocking any legitimate opposition - as most liberals would rather be beheaded than labeled racist. The media exploits this weakness to the advantage and benefit of the muslims by immediately promoting the idea that any opposition to sharia law is racist.

144 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:18:35am
145 Beagle  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:19:40am

#133 godfrey

Let's help make it last.


I'll inseminate a hot Swedish girl for civilization. If that's what it takes, I'll go the extra mile. EE is right. Demographics paint a disasterous picture in the not-too-distant future. Muslims are averaging five kids. Indigenous Europeans aren't at replacement levels. Conversions are running to Islam by wide margins as well.

Whole little villages in France have become vilayets. Native French speak of their conversion as being "like a drug." But it's the oldest drug: power.

I'm with Fjordman exactly. Sweden, Belgium, and France will be gone first. After that it's less clear. Eastern Europe, the new EU members, not subject to the grand social experiment for the last 30 years, is the only bulwark against total collapse.

146 TotallySirius  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:20:39am

Yesssssss!

I win the pool.

The pool was started yesterday-$1/date for when the jihadis would demand shari'a in Sweden,I picked today.

A whole $11.

Yippee!

147 friarstale  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:20:47am

worse is better
wake up, Europe

personally, I think the Muslims are playing their cards a bit too soon, but that's good for our side

148 Van Impe  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:21:14am
Asked whether the proposal plays into the hands of racists, Orback said that it did


The above comment is of course in response to a question by a reporter. This is a good example of how the liberal media collaborates with Muslims. The media immediately polarizes the issue, by linking any opposition to the concept with racists, therefore blocking any legitimate opposition - as most liberals would rather be beheaded than labeled racist. The media exploits this weakness to the advantage and benefit of the muslims by immediately promoting the idea that any opposition to sharia law is racist.

149 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:21:35am
150 got milk?  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:22:20am

TotallySirius

Want to get a few of us together to see
United 93?

151 Terp Mole  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:23:06am

Islamo-fascists assault Christian speaker at Riverside Community College;

Muslims and Christians Hold Dueling Rallies at RCC

... As Zepeda spoke, about a dozen young Muslim women held signs that read "The Hijab Does Not Oppress Women" and "Islam is the Fastest Growing Religion in U.S."
-----
"I drove my car here from Corona," she said. As Zepeda continued to discuss his interpretation of the Surah, the protesters inched closer and tried to shout him down. A half-dozen college police officers stood nearby.

Zepeda's supporters demanded that he be allowed to finish and began singing "God Bless America."

152 Van Impe  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:23:20am

#142
I'm having same problem, hence my duplicate posts #143 and #148.

153 TotallySirius  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:23:54am

#158 gm

Yes

When?

154 TotallySirius  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:25:01am

Damned DOS attack.

Comments are posting but page doesn't refresh.

155 friarstale  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:25:48am

worse is better
wake up, Europe

personally, I think the Muslims are playing their cards a bit too soon, but that's good for our side

156 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:26:21am

#154 TotallySirius, right after you hit post, hit the browser stop and then refresh.

157 godfrey  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:27:37am

poitiers

In #8, you said:

It's just a matter of time, babies.

This implies more strongly and directly that nothing can be done. ("Babies" is a nice touch, too.)

Nobody can be judged fairly on one post. I'm glad you don't want the pessimist label.

158 godfrey  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:28:36am

Charles

The comments worked now. That was fast!

159 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:30:01am

(Tosses cookies)

160 godfrey  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:30:22am

Beagle

Civil war could change things. How likely is it?

161 Regis  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:30:30am

Sweden and France are in a race to Dhimminitude. How lovely. Any capitalist in Europe who doesn't want to be a dhimmi is welcome here in the US.

162 got milk?  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:30:59am

Totally Sirius

Any time. I will email Ben Z and see if he can make it.

email me.

163 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:32:10am

The Mad Algorithms of Scary Al Gore

Canada's National Post reports, "Former presidential candidate Gore is just now, once again, Hollywood's flavour of the month, largely due to the ecstatic reception that his documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, received earlier this year at the Sundance Film festival (Mr. Gore was reported by the Post's Shinan Govani to be coming to Toronto this week for a sneak preview.) The film -- which opens in New York and Los Angeles on May 26 -- is based, somewhat improbably, on a presentation on global warming that Mr. Gore has allegedly given more than 1,000 times. The movie was backed by eBay millionaire Jeff Skoll's Participant Productions, which last year helped finance Mr. Clooney's Good Night and Good Luck, and Syriana, respectively cinematic monuments to left-wing historical bias and political perversion. One of the co-producers of Mr. Gore's film is "Gulfstream Liberal" (named after the executive jet, not the allegedly threatened Atlantic current) Laura David, humourlessly green wife of comedian and Seinfeld co-creator Larry David.

"The title of Mr. Gore's film says it all. The former Veep does not believe that he is dealing in scientific hypotheses, or any form of political debate about how best to deal with a possible environmental problem. He thunders self-righteously as a guardian of "The Truth" against the forces of evil/ commercial self-interest. That is, George Bush. But if President Bush should be criticized for anything recently, it is surely for sounding too much like Al Gore. Paradoxically, meanwhile, Mr. Gore's guardianship of the truth involves him in telling endless whoppers."

164 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:32:28am

Ward, LOL

165 Geepers  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:35:09am

mad_scientist,

Excellent. Should be a blast. It was last year.

Ask got milk? :-)

166 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:37:08am

#157 G*dfrey

In #8, you said:

It's just a matter of time, babies.

Yes, that's not pessimistic: Eurabia is not implementing any defense against the invasion AND in these years the communities of invaders that are already INSIDE Europe are multiplying like rats. Today's trend (AND NOTHING IS BEING DONE to stop it/change it) will lead Europe to the final catastrophe in twenty years (and I 'm VERY optimistic in saying that).

It's extremely important that we observe/analyze how this catastrophe has been built and how it is developing, because all this will give us, in the States and in other Countries, powerful tools to avoid the same path.

167 got milk?  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:37:36am

Yes it was a blast.

168 Terp Mole  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:38:39am
Panther group plans to visit Duke

The national chairman of the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense says his group intends to march at Duke University on Monday to "deal directly" with lacrosse players about charges of rape of an escort service dancer at a team party.

Duke's campus police are coordinating with the Durham Police Department to prepare for the black-separatist group, which has a reputation for coming to its protests armed.

Malik Zulu Shabazz, a Washington lawyer who is the leader of the New Panthers, said he will be in Durham to rally with local black leaders and monitor progress of the criminal case against Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann, the two students charged with raping and kidnapping the dancer.

"We are conducting an independent investigation, and we intend to enter the campus and interview lacrosse players," Shabazz said Thursday. "We seek to ensure an adequate, strong and vigorous prosecution."

Zulu Translation:
interview = intimidate/harrass
vigorous prosecution = assault/murder

I hope Duke University takes these threats seriously.

"Kill every goddamn Zionist in Israel! Goddamn little babies, goddamn old ladies! Blow up Zionist supermarkets!"
[ Malik Zulu Shabazz ]
169 dustyroadguy  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:38:44am

well i see the comment section is replete with 'the sky is falling crew,' be careful there are jihadi under your beds! SSDD
-- DRG --...†♥
;>P §

170 Andrew Ian Dodge  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:39:00am

Yeah all the blogs on Hosting Matters are down.

Sweden is a bit stuffed right now unless they get with it like Denmark has done.

171 Beagle  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:39:34am

#160 godfrey

Civil war could change things. How likely is it?


What needs to happen short of that is dismantling of the EU's political, immigration, and legislative policies. Some nations are controlling their borders. Sweden isn't one of them.

I'd say the chance of civil war, or just horrible unrest is very high. But the chance of native Europeans fighting back successfully isn't great. Muslims are better organized, and armed. Bosnia is the weapons depot for the European ummah.

Rayra said Finland still allows firearms. The Swiss have guns, but are some of the worst dhimmis. You'd think Switzerland would be better off, but like other small nations, it was somewhat overwhelmed by relatively small numbers of immigrants coming in quickly.

This demographic conquest is not by accident. In the Force of Reason Fallaci recounts a conversation with an Italian convert who laid out the plan. They're very matter of fact about it.

Before they jump to civil war I'd consider deportations. Amazing the Europeans consider the ethnic cleansing of Jews off their ancient homeland is justice, but thinking about protecting their traditions is racism.

Like any world war, somehow Americans will end up sending in troops. It's just not a world war without an American invasion of Europe.

172 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:41:46am

Well, I'll take the pessismist's label for not believing the machinations of man will ever bring this world to safe governance by homo sapiens.

173 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:49:21am
174 mj  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:52:10am

Idiot leaving his post:



Wolfensohn quits as Quartet honcho

James Wolfensohn is quitting as the top international envoy to Israeli-Palestinian negotiations.
Wolfensohn will step down at the end of this month, his office said Friday. Wolfensohn represents the “Quartet,” the body guiding the Middle East peace process comprising representatives from the United States, Russia, United Nations and European Union.

The former World Bank president, who assumed his current role last year at President Bush’s behest, was instrumental in creating the conditions that led Israel to withdraw peacefully from the Gaza Strip last year. However, Wolfensohn grew disillusioned, especially after the electoral victory in January of Hamas, a Palestinian terrorist group that rejects Israel’s existence.

[Link: www.jta.org...]

175 mingjaiyo  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:52:39am

As with others,I could not log on to other sites (powerline,insatpundit).I've also noticed a lot of double posts.Half the reason I'm writing is to see what happens when I try to post this at 12:36amEST.Sweden is in deep trouble with this.This situation is a perfect representation of the results of a Politically Correct/Multi-Cultural/Socialist society not enforcing assimilation into that society.We have witnessed a similar thing here with such assinine ideas as bilingual education.Such a thing not only doesn't work,it reinforces stereotypes and enables the alienation of the immigrant.Fortunately,the Bi-ling thing was voted out of California before becoming the latest thing nationwide.I hear many LLL's say to me the old saw about "those who ignore history...".No,I don't ignore history-I see history littered with the corpses of failed leftist thought implemented as policy wreaking havoc on the people that were supposedly going to have paradise on earth due to their benevolent government.I have no desire to repeat history,that is why I have no use for the ideas of the left.Sweden is reaping what it has sowed.I do believe,however,that the everyday people of Europe will unite and fight.I would not be surprised to see 1789 France occur again.I think it is possible that the lines we are fed by EU elites/media are just like here-lines spouted by individuals with no clue as to how J.Q.Public really feels...the elites are spinning the line and wagging the dog.I am looking toward the election results in Britain for a better feel on this...I am hopeful that many in the British voting public are as pissed off as the few friends I do have over there are.

176 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:52:42am
177 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:53:17am

#173 American Infidel, I am so fundi, other fundi's point and exclaim, "Fundi!"

literally spiritual & spiritually literal as it is.

178 SpiritOf1683  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:55:11am

From the article:

Asked whether the proposal plays into the hands of racists patriots, Orback said that it did.

#14 Isobella

If these Muslims want to live under Sharia law - why don't they just move to a Muslim country?

Because Sweden is a Muslim country now.

The letter provoked an instant, and damning, response from integration and equality minister Jens Orback. “We will not have separate laws in Sweden. In Sweden, we are all equal before the law. In Sweden, we have fought for a long time to achieve gender-neutral laws, and to propose that certain groups should not be treated like others is completely unacceptable.”


A long-winded way of admitting that Sweden has been paralysed by political correctness and the Muslims know it.

179 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:55:42am
180 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:56:33am
181 Lazarus  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:58:14am

#69 yesandno

By the way, why is Mohammad the 'Prophet'? What exactly was his prophesy?

That his insane rantings would spawn a diseased cult of death-worshipping fanatics who would exist for the sole purpose of wrecking life on earth.

What do you know, he was right.

182 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:58:42am
183 mj  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:00:25am

179

For instance:

Envoy: Israel threatening peace process

Mideast envoy Wolfensohn slams Israel over slow progress on reopening Gaza border crossings, says rare change to revive peace process will be lost without dramatic progress soon
Associated Press

A top Mideast envoy has criticized Israel in especially tough language for moving too slowly on negotiations to open Gaza’s borders, saying the country is behaving almost as if the withdrawal from the Gaza Strip never happened.
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

for instance:


Militant Islam Monitor > Satire > Wolfensohn and Rice pressure Israel out of existence as Russian donates helicopters to Paid Assassins

Wolfensohn and Rice pressure Israel out of existence as Russian donates helicopters to Paid Assassins
November 18, 2005

MIM: Rice's unprecedented involvement (arm twisting) in the opening of the border crossing at Rafah to terrorists was underwritten by left wing Jewish American groups which advocate a 'Weg Mit Uns' policy. Amazingly, even some liberal Jewish groups like the ADL (who think Christians pose more of threat to Jews then Muslims), and American Jewish Congress (who have courted Musharraf by promising to put pressure on Israel for withdrawal from Gaza), saw the dangers of letting terrorists man the Rafah crossing . One commentator made the analogy that it would be as if the Americans gave the task of monitoring the US border with Mexico to Mexicans, and sardonically wrote:

[Link: www.militantislammonitor.org...]

184 mj  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:03:22am

More of Wolfie speaking for the Palistinians:

Feb. 27, 2006 11:14 | Updated Feb. 27, 2006 17:16
Wolfensohn warns of PA collapse
By JPOST.COM STAFF

Talkbacks for this article: 28

Quartet envoy to the Middle East, James Wolfensohn, said Monday "the Palestinian Authority was on the verge of economic collapse within two weeks time."

The reason, he said, was the cessation of tax funds to the PA from Israel.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

185 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:03:25am
186 Beagle  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:03:39am

#174 mj

I'm with ploome. His reasoning for leaving sounds ironclad to me. HAMAS terrorists were elected. It's hard to imagine a more fruitless job than trying to get them to acknowledge Israel's right to exist and actually back it up with action. They might leave the killing to IJ for a while.

What a shell game. They play bad cop-worse cop with the Israelis, but the US and EU keep sending money in for some reason. The French decided to send money, circumventing the EU track, from day one.

Many Euros think the Pals will "starve" without aid, sitting in the advanced greenhouses they looted and in which they show no interest, while one of their representatives loses nearly a half million in cash on a road trip to Kuwait.

Masked gunmen storm offices for their salaries, but the hope is they'll suddenly become normal people with jobs? Talk about throwing worse money after bad.

187 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:04:07am
188 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:06:17am
189 Beagle  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:06:42am

#183 mj

Sorry. It sounded like he didn't like HAMAS, but he's just another idiot. I'm wrong. I should have read the article instead of just the quote out of context. And on that note I need to do some parenting and yard work.

Later {LGF}

190 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:08:03am
191 mj  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:09:44am

#188

Well, let's remember he didn't name himself to that post though he did accept it. But yes, it's on old game- get a rich Jew to squeeze some other Jews. Remember Herbert Samuels?

192 Pim's Ghost  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:13:12am

#105--where is our Churchill? Pim Fortuyn was one. And Murdered for it. The one I count now as our Churchill is Pope Benedict XVI, and did before I became a Catholic and before, actually, he became the Pope. Perhaps he is the one who will reawaken the Ents or ride madly like Gandalf, to continue in your vein (which I do agree with). He already has written and spoken in ways very similarly to your above quoted speech.

What Would Charles Martel Do? This is my unending question for the West. Today I will write an Open Letter on my site of that name for the Muslim agitators infiltrating the West. I urge everyone to write addressing directly the Muslims making demands in all of our countries. This cannot be tolerated and will not. Perhaps it is not too late, but perhaps the rally against them will have to take place in places outside of Europe. I will stay ready for the ensuing battle.

Bless you Fjordman, and take care.

193 mj  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:21:58am

#191 me

Then again, they don't have be rich. Remember James Baker's Jewish "Baker Boys" ? There was Richard Haas,Dennis Ross, David Aaron Miller, etc. And don't forget Clinton's enoy, the consistently wrong Martin Indyk.

194 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:22:23am

79 FrogMarch 4/28/2006 08:39AM PDT
34 BabbaZee
No. I'm not much of a biblical scholar.
It's a reference to the left's obsession with seeing the evil Karl Rove "Frogmarched" out of the white house.
I live to mock the left.


Well.. that's good too... ;~) LOL

195 Spiritualized  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:23:11am
“We will not have separate laws in Sweden. In Sweden, we are all equal before the law. In Sweden, we have fought for a long time to achieve gender-neutral laws, and to propose that certain groups should not be treated like others is completely unacceptable.”

Translation:

"Look, we don't mind you burning down a few Synagogues, and we'll send Jizya to Hamas but we'd prefer to restrict Sharia to Malmo for the time being. If that's okay with you, Mr Imam, Sir."

196 Pete(Detroit)  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:27:28am
The letter provoked an instant, and damning, response from integration and equality minister Jens Orback. “We will not have separate laws in Sweden. In Sweden, we are all equal before the law. In Sweden, we have fought for a long time to achieve gender-neutral laws, and to propose that certain groups should not be treated like others is completely unacceptable.”

'Bout Effing TIME someone choked on it...
Hello, McFly, are you IN there?

197 WriterMom  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:32:20am

#176 Ploomie

Exactly like that!

198 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:33:29am

#105 Babba Zee

"Where is our Churchill?"

If you only knew how often I've asked that very question! The last American who would have fit the bill was Ronald Reagan. Oh, how I wish he were here today, in his prime!

199 zombie  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:37:29am

I really wish I had noticed this thread earlier, because I have the PERFECT link:

A Swedish girl saying "FUCK YOU" to shari'a!

WARNING: NOT EVEN REMOTELY WORKSAFE, but entirely appropriate to the theme of this thread.

200 Widow'smight  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:39:53am

Why do I get the feeling Europe, and other countries who allow Islam to pull this crap, are like the Great Bismarck in WWII. It was capable of taking on any ship the British could muster, (sinking the HMS Hood with one shell) but once it lost it's rudder, it was surrounded and destroyed.

Or maybe said countries are like a flock of Crows chasing a Red-Tail hawk. One crow will squawk until his friends follow, chasing the larger and more powerful Hawk. It is not until the Hawk climbs far above the height a crow can handle that they depart. I haven't seen a hawk turn and demolish the crows yet.

Our problem seems to be the ILLEGAL ALIEN drama unfolding here in the US. Will the once Christian nations of the world regain their rudder and fly above this evil that is Islam and Multi-vulturism?

Don't look too good right now.

201 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:42:50am
202 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:44:28am
203 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:52:27am
Sweden’s largest Muslim organisation has demanded that Sweden introduce separate laws for Muslims, according to Swedish television. Sweden’s equality minister Jens Orback called the proposals “completely unacceptable”.

I'm no Nostradamus but I predict that Mr.Orback will soon need bodyguards.

204 Gabba Gabba Hey  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:57:55am

I am so sick of their ceaseless demands. Can I demand they eff off?

205 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:00:02am

#145 Beagle

"Sweden, Belgium, and France will be gone first. After that it's less clear. Eastern Europe, the new EU members, not subject to the grand social experiment for the last 30 years, is the only bulwark against total collapse."

I agree. But you should have addd Spain to your list. With the Zapatero socialists in power, Spain is ripe for an islamic take-over. Even Italy seems to be losing its stomach for a struggle. Yet, the Netherlands may finally wake up, but that's very iffy. To me, the big question mark is Germany. Have the Germans become so cowed by their 20th century history, and the world's reaction to it, that they now are just pale shadows of their once martial selves? The Germans used to be disciplined militarists (albeit on the wrong side), but have now become, basically, eunuchs. Have those martial genes been extinguished forwever? I don't know. But, if the Germans do somehow find their long-lost martial traits, islam in Europe may have a problem. Ditto with Britain.

206 Widow'smight  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:01:18am

#202 Phoome Hineni

The leftist/socialist ideals intersect with Islam's ideals when destroying the Judeo-Christian belief system is in play. Belief in a loving/relational God must be removed for their agenda to move forward.
The God-given beauty and intrinsic value of every Human being must also be destroyed, along with the Judeo-Christian views of Sexuality.

Now, that the Leftists removed right and wrong, good and evil and individuality, they are left with individuals who are wrong and evil.

My children appreciate living in a house where right and wrong are taught, and so does the Supreme Commander (I call her lovely bride when she's around).

207 zombie  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:07:08am
#201 ploome hineni
199 zombie

is she 15?

seems awful young, Zombie

No, she's at least 18. Whoever she is.

208 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:07:50am
WARNING: NOT EVEN REMOTELY WORKSAFE, but entirely appropriate to the theme of this thread.

Too late. Next time put the warning before the link.

209 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:24:05am

Rhetorical question:

At what point does a "racist" become a patriot?

210 oilbertan  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:33:17am

Giving all of these Islamofascist idiots a one way ticket back to whence they came would save Sweden in the long run, both in terms of the continued viability of their country and from a financail standpoint. I just don't understand this idea of allowing people to immigrate to your country and then bending over backwards to make their new home just like their old one, only better because of course freedom, rule of law etc make it so. Assimilate or emigrate back. Pretty simple, even the [bigoted word]s should be able to understand.

211 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:38:43am
212 sms111  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:39:55am

4 American Infidel

When will the demands for shari'ah start pouring in in the United States?!? 5-10yrs from now?!?

I think the better question is, when will Americans start making life so miserable for these bastards that they go back to Dar el Islam?

213 Earth2moonbat  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:28:18am

205 hiker

To me, the big question mark is Germany. Have the Germans become so cowed by their 20th century history, and the world's reaction to it, that they now are just pale shadows of their once martial selves? The Germans used to be disciplined militarists (albeit on the wrong side), but have now become, basically, eunuchs. Have those martial genes been extinguished forwever?

You could ask the same thing about the Swedes. Once fearsome Vikings, now pathetic cowards. It isn't in the genes, it's in the culture, and once the culture is casterated, there's no way to put the gonads back on. I think that some Germans may have never lost theirs, but have simply forgotten about them. But as for those who are culturally averse to fighting, they're walking dead. The real question is how many are bought into that culture of cowardice, and how many can still find it in them to fight.

It's not about genes, it's about core values and beliefs.

214 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:43:16am

#206 Widow'smight
Amen to your whole post

215 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:47:12am

Zeebs!

216 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:50:53am

Clooney makes plea for intervention in Darfur

How are you going to accomplish that without military force? Shame them? Stop driving Sudanese cars?

217 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:57:01am

Oh there it is:
www.msnbc.msn.com...] target="_blank">

George Clooney uses star power over Darfur

Oscar-winning actor George Clooney used his star power Thursday to focus attention on ...Clooney told heart-breaking stories ...Clooney urged the public to attend rallies ...

Does he realize that Osama is on the side of the murdering Sudanese government? He might have to changes sides.

218 Van Impe  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:58:47am

#205

Have the Germans become so cowed by their 20th century history, and the world's reaction to it, that they now are just pale shadows of their once martial selves? The Germans used to be disciplined militarists (albeit on the wrong side), but have now become, basically, eunuchs. Have those martial genes been extinguished forwever?


The short answer is yes. The defeat that was inflicted on Germany in WWII (and Japan too) was so total the country was forever transformed from a militaristic to pacifist nation. I cannot forsee Germany ever reviving its (pre-Nazi) military heritage.

219 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:11:21am

PK,

How are you going to accomplish that without military force? Shame them? Stop driving Sudanese cars?

Sudanese cars. ROTFLMAO! You slay me.

Seriously, Perhaps boycotting Coca-Cola and Pepsi might have some impact.

One of the Sudan's chief agricultural exports is Arabic gum. It's an essential ingredient in Western soft drinks. IIRC it keeps the sugar in a soft drink from settling at the bottom of the can.

The Sudanese also export copious amounts of oil, peanuts, and ginned cotton. Good fricking luck getting the Chinese to sign on to a boycott of Sudanese oil though.

220 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:15:37am

Dirk
Once we rule out force and economic leverage the only thing left is to withhold our love from them.

221 hans ze beeman  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:16:50am

#218: Van Impe

The short answer is yes. The defeat that was inflicted on Germany in WWII (and Japan too) was so total the country was forever transformed from a militaristic to pacifist nation. I cannot forsee Germany ever reviving its (pre-Nazi) military heritage.

That is true; German militarism does not permeate the whole society anymore. The problem is that people didn't learn to fight evil, but that fighting is evil. Yet again, the suspicion of Islam is growing rapidly, and Islamists might yet experience a really bad time here one day. Just sayin'

222 piano gal  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:17:16am

Finally, some good news from Sweden.

223 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:18:28am

20 years from now George Clooney will be protesting the genocide in Sweden...

224 hans ze beeman  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:19:19am

#223: Peacekeeper

20 years from now George Clooney will be protesting the genocide in Sweden...

As long as he isn't president...

225 WarBicycle  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:23:25am

The more they demand, the more the average person turns against them; eventually, Europe will turn against is Muslim pain-in-the-ass and the end result won't be pretty.

226 Van Impe  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:30:23am

#221

Islamists might yet experience a really bad time here one day.


Let's hope so. Though I remain pessimistic. Numbers and time are on the Muslims side. The way I see it, the Muslims will need to make up no more than 20% of the population to control any one European country, given that most European counties have multiple politicial parties (such that it is rare any single party attracts more than 50% of the vote)and that the far left will always side with the Muslims. If Muslim voters constitute 20% of the electorate of any European country, they with their allies on the left, will be in control. It won't be long before a number of European countries (Holland, Belgium, France) reach this magic number.

227 Pim's Ghost  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:34:01am

Like I said, whether you're religious or not the current Pope in his philosophic writings about the problems facing Europe are right on target. Check him out. He is the Churchill who is paying attention, as opposed to the Coloradan Churchill who is being payed to not pay attention. Whether written as Ratzinger or more recently as Benedict XVI, remember this man is dedicated to the West, to his vocation of Philosophy as well as to his Church. Check out his statements.

Oh, and you know, I kind of figured that the problems in Sudan would be straightened out by the time I was grown, but they're worse now, and the world has only noticed since the actions in Darfur. Will anyone ever remember the people in the South? This has probably been discussed here, I realize. Please cut me some slack. I'm new and I'm run a bit haggard lately.

228 cracker-crusader  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:36:00am

Get ready for a swing to the right in Euro politics, and with it numreous EU bans on rightwing parties. Then the shit will hit the fan.

Remember the Bader-Meinhof gang? The Germans still got it in them to raise a little hell, and the Spaniards have got ETA. Perhaps the Sicilian Cosa Nostra could get involved too. You know once the mosques are being hit by daily rocketfire, the Moooselimbs MAY start to think Iraq is a safer bet, and quietly make like the French Jews.

Really it doesn't take a lotta Brits or Krauts to really F*** UP these wankers but good. What do you figure, about 20 to 30 cells, each of about 50 members, targeting moooselimb businesses, "holy" sites, and passers by in the streets? You know they aren't the only ones who can play "boom went the bus!"

Not pretty, but it is what will happen soon if these Euro-Buro's don't WTFU.

How do you think the IRA's gonna react to a moooselimb drive in Ireland?

Here in the US, the Tim McVeigh's will be overjoyed. One or two big moooselimb attacks in the US, and I wouldn't want to be seen walking around in a hijab...

The moooselimbs love to forget just how dangerous us Westerners are when we're riled up and don't give a s*** what anyone thinks. At that point even the moonbats will stand by and watch the "festivities.

To the Imams: "yeah we're Islamophobic, dudes. So why in the F*** are you provoking us, d***smack?"

229 the_flying_pig  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:43:41am

C'mon, Swedes, grow a backbone! I'm losing faith in Sweden every day.

230 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:16:55pm

PK,

Once we rule out force and economic leverage the only thing left is to withhold our love from them.

They can't resist us then! Withholding our love will bring them to their knees!

/Cubicle echoes with dark maniacal laughter

231 JAKEWASHERE  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:21:10pm

The mere fact that Sweden has a fucking EQUALITY MINISTER makes my skin crawl.

232 Paul  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:45:44pm

#231 KAKEWASHERE

He's more than that, here's Jens Orback's full title "Minister for Democracy, Metropolitan Affairs, Intergration and Gender Equality"
Check him out.

233 rokbassist  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:46:02pm

One of the commenters to the source article had this to say:

I only want to say to all little racists who are on this forum that Muslims are here to stay and the majority of us are Swedish citizens. Probably many of you would like to put us in gas chambers as Hitler did with the Jews. But this will never happen because Islam is the biggest religion nowadays in the world and Muslims are here not to watch at world like in a theater but to change it and make it more equal.
Or maybe some of you yearn after colonisation when you brought "liberty" and civilisation to the Africa and black people

As usual, anyone who opposes illegal immigration or a complete subjugating immigration which seeks to change the host country's laws and culture is labeled "racist". How do we forcefully respond to this without using the same argument back? I love the part where the commentator says Muslims want to change the world and make it more "equal", despite the Sharia law being proposed in Sweden does the exact opposite.

234 cracker-crusader  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:26:45pm

#233: to the moonbat quoted in the rectangle:

Oh you mean like the thriving Arab slave trade in East Africa/ Darfur? Like the thriving sex-tourism of Saudi men in South East Asia, where they prey on underage girls and take them back to Saudi Arabia as chattels and playthings?

To the moonbat quoted above: "Go f*** yourself. Islam is a barbaric form of Arab National Socialism, with a bit of Persian Imperialism thrown in. F*** off and die..."

235 cracker-crusader  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:28:50pm

Kudos #233 for shining a light on that piece of c**p, so we can tear it to pieces.

Sorry for the tone lately, ladies and gents, these Islamic Conquistadors are really getting me down.

236 reader  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:34:49pm

#81 Occasional Reader,

I saw a fairly recent US Census statement that estimated emigration at about 280,000, annually. The problem is there is no database that tracts emigration numbers from the U.S. to other countries.

Another report, by decade, ending at 1990, is here.

237 enoughalready  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:59:16pm

An equality minister really pisses people off that much?

Yeah, those pesky women must really be getting on your nerves ey?

238 VacuumJockey  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:39:02pm

The swedes will cave. Swedes have no balls. (Yes, I am Danish -- why do you ask?)

239 vrwc007  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:16:01pm

When the Muslims start riots like in France the Swedes will collapse like a bad soufle. Get ready for the new Swedish flag.

240 adela  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:29:48pm

It is pretty bad in Sweden,but it`s much worse in France.
True,they kind of deserve it,because it is them that started the multicultural experiment,but still...
[Link: www.en.france-echos.com...]

241 DanishMade  Sat, Apr 29, 2006 3:05:32am

#238
Then start acting like one, will ya ?

242 varmint  Sun, Apr 30, 2006 9:33:29am

someone earlier brought up the jizya. the swedish welfare state may have already created it in all but name. the muslims have the infidels paying for thier food, shelter, and eduction. it really is a socialist paradise.

john
[Link: www.attackcartoons.com...]

there is a real festering problem in europe. but anyone who brings it up is denounced as racist. the problem won't go away. eventualy the word will start to lose meaning. and a real racist like le pen will rise to power.


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