can he sing it under water

--- looks up in the sky. searches for "death comet" --

Didn't the Red Sox and White Sox just win the Series back to back?

The end is indeed nigh. . . .

methinks the submarine captain doth protest too much

Can he sing it drunk?

I don't normally go in for Kennedy-bashing, but, damn, what a moron!

Oh my...who will stand for the illegals when they have the "I hate America" croud against them?

# 7 OceansideCon

John F. Kerry

I hear Uncle Ted is going to be driving the bus over the Rio Grande. Does that mean we are all going to be complicite in mass murder?

Gee I hope not.

He will suffer no real repercussions from that. Massachusetts is 82% white.

The one time he tried singing it in Spanish, he crashed the car at Chappaquiddick.

Speaking of which- according to experts, how fast was Teddy driving that fateful night?

A: 80 miles an hour, that's how fast he had to be going for the panties to get into the glove compartment...

*Kennedy* is a side-show

#11 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

The speed at which any un-licensed fellow drives away from a friendly cop who is simply tying to let them know they are turning in the wrong direction.

it should be sung in english and above water without any of those damm wind mills in my way! the only thing that should be speaking in spanish is my grounds keeper... and my maid... oh and my nanny... my driver too and... and that one girl you know that lady we raped at that party... ya thats right the kitchen staff should all speak spanish but not the anthem no way not that!

/teddy off

Grabs copy of the Da Vinci code...flips through pages...there must be something in there about this. Nostradamus, perhaps?

Another take on United 93 when it was screened in Manhattan:

In the lobby, the crowd waiting outside the bathroom for friends was somber. Several said that it hadn’t been much different than they had expected. And almost in unison they said that they wouldn’t have come if writer/director Paul Greengrass hadn’t gotten the go ahead of the Flight 93 families. “It would have been a Hollywood thing, not true,” said Courtney Carey.

When Giovanni Ureña emerged from the men’s room most had already ebbed out the far doors. After the movie he had had to splash cold water on his face. He muttered “wow” several times, and said he was still trying to breathe. But his thin moustache and goatee hemmed in an eager smile.

On Sunday, September 9th, Ureña had played a wedding with his band at Windows on the World, the restaurant on the 107th floor of the North Tower. He worked in the South Tower, as did his girlfriend. They both had Monday the 10th off, but went in anyway, on a lark. They went to the top of floor where they scratched “Elsa + Giovanni Forever” on a piece of exposed metal. At work the next day Giovanni left his office on the 14th floor as soon as American 11 hit the North Tower, and escaped before the collapse. Elsa was still at hers on the 104th when United 175 hit, and did not escape. A small red pin on his sport coat’s lapel helps him remember a friend of his, in the fire department, who also died that day.

Watching the movie, he felt the same frightening sense of the surreal he had felt; the same helplessness. Though there was something else too.

“The fact that I came to see this,” he explained, his voice picking up, “it proves my strength, like them. [You watch it] and you know that you could do the same.”

Several of Giovanni’s band mates were wary of the film. “But I told them, ‘Hold on guys, it’s not Brokeback Mountain. You can face this.’” He plans to recommend it to all his friends.

He's talking tougher than the President, who said he "thought" the national anthem should be sung in English.

Neither one of them has any credibility on illegal immigration, sad to say.

He's shaking...fuck it Ted...it's 5 o'clock somewhere...get some!

apocalypse : when a muslim wins a race

16 Bob's Kid

Grabs copy of the Da Vinci code...flips through pages...there must be something in there about this. Nostradamus, perhaps?

12th imam?

Say Ted. Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.

The surest way to seed secessionist movements 50 years down the line is to encourage multiple languages in the US now. Lingustic differences are right up there with religion as a source of a nation's fragmentation.

From the linked article above:

The early afternoon outside was a crisp 60°, cloudless and uncomfortably bright. Being Saturday, the Ground Zero construction site was still, though the sound of crane winches and hammers from numerous other nearby projects reverberated across it. On the far side of the site from the theater, along Church Street , the usual stream of tourists were shading their eyes to read the museum-like placards and putting their digital cameras right up against the fence to get the closest shot. An Indian family meandered down the sidewalk. The daughter was saying to her father, “They made it happen. They made it happen. Otherwise they would have fallen like…,” she made a gesture with her hands that illustrated a tower tipping over.

***SIGH***

Kinda OT: I'm taking a breather before heading out for some more shopping here in silicon valley. Hit 4 stores this morning, spent around $400 (much more than usual), and filled up the gas tank after picking up the kids. Would have had a car wash, too, but the line was too long! Both employees and custormers seemed to be friendlier in the stores this morning...A very lovely day, so far.

12th imam?

Or that!

The only language The Swimmer knows is drunken babble.

Can someone slur the anthem for him?

Jose, can you see
By the dawn's early light
Happy hour must be over...

Seeing The Swimmer always makes me feel like breaking out into song!

Just what we need, more signs of the Apocalypse. Teddy Kennedy knows how to read an opinion poll when someone shoves it under his stippled nose.

Who's going to be screwed from this Communist revival? The people who want amnesty. Actual citizens are against illegals telling us how to run the United States, eh, guessing, close to 3:1? Throw in the annoying disruptions, far-Left support, and nobody is going to suddenly say "By George, they're right!"

24% Hold Favorable Opinion of Protesters

Heading into a day of planned protests and boycotts for immigrant rights, just 24% of American voters have a favorable opinion of the people who have recently marched and protested for immigrant rights in major cities.

Just 12% of American voters support full amnesty.

At the same time, 56% believe that our national policy goal should be to welcome all immigrants except national security threats, criminals, and those who would live off the U.S. welfare system

That must be the (small) sober part of his brain speaking.

Pass the Scotch..oops...I mean the Irish Whiskey and let's all sing together...

The Suburban Crusader

Cartman,

A true classic.

Charles, ad spam at #377 from Sunday night. . . .

I believe that Star Spangled Banner should be sung in a Zulu language (along with the clicking sounds) to be more diverse.

/LLL

Wow, the fat bastard just agreed with the prez? I can already feel the icy sensation beneath the earth's surface. Did anyone know that in Gaelic Kennedy means "ugly head", "mishapen head", etc.

Ah this is important. Reagan's (Irish) amnesty was amnesty. We'd never have to go thru this again.

Somebody is cutting Kennedy's nuts off.

Assuming he had any.

I wonder if Kennedy can actually remember more than one or two lines of the SSB? It would be amusing to watch him try on national TV.

OT: AP gives final judgement.Without illegal immigrants we are fucked..PERIOD:

Immigrants Demonstrate Economic Clout

Illegal immigrants made their point Monday: Without them, Americans would pay higher prices and a lot of work wouldn't get done.

As nationwide demonstrations thinned the work force in businesses from meat-packing plants to construction sites to behind the counter at McDonald's, economists said there can be no dispute within the context of the contentious immigration issue that the group wields significant clout in the U.S. economy.

"If illegal immigration came to a standstill, it would disrupt the economy," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com. "It would lead to higher prices for many goods and services, and some things literally would not get done. It would be a major adjustment for our economy, for sure."

Another economist, Diane Swonk, said it would be an economic mistake to restrict entry and work rights when revising immigration policy.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

#36 trigger girlie

Actually, the clicking sounds are from the Khoi-San languages, which were spoken by the pre-hisoric peoples of Africa before Bantu-speaking agricultural-based peoples became prevaalent over the continent. Khoi-San languages sre now confined to the Kalahari and a couple of pockets in Tanzania. Zulu is a Bantu language.

Same geographic ballpark, though!

#1 and #5. I thought you were going to break out into a Green Eggs and Ham verse. lol.

It's no wonder people are pissed about gas prices.

After buying a couple new pair of jeans at the GAP* and a new refrigerator** to put in their new houses*** they ain't got no money left.

*Retail store sales were up 4.1% year-over-year
*Same-store sales were up 5.1% year-over-year

**Durable goods orders were up 6.1%

***New home sales soared 13.8% in March

First Anna Nicole Smith wins her case at the SCOUS, now Teddy Kennedy saying the Star Spangled Banner should be sung in English...was he sober when he said that? What next? Sounds like I need to play the lottery...are the planets in the right alignment? Has Miss Cleo been giving advice again?

Looks like Eduardo del Kennedez got more than a few nasty emails on the subject.

What a loser!

He couldn't sing it in Spanish anyway. He got tossed out of Harvard for cheating on a Spanish test, remember?

trigger girlie, I stand corrected!

From Wikipedia:

Distribution
Clicks occur in all the Khoisan languages of southern Africa, and in several neighbouring Bantu languages, such as Nguni (Zulu, Xhosa, Swazi, and Ndebele), Sesotho, Yeyi of Botswana, and the Mbukushu, Kwangali, and Gciriku languages of the Caprivi Strip, which borrowed them from Khoisan languages. Clicks also occur in Sandawe and Hadza, two languages of Tanzania traditionally classified as Khoisan, as well as in Dahalo, a nearby endangered South Cushitic language of Kenya, which may retain them from an episode of language shift.

The Southern African Khoisan languages only utilize root-initial clicks. Hadza, Sandawe, and several of the Bantu languages also allow syllable-initial clicks within roots, but in no language does a click close a syllable or end a word.

The only non-African language known to employ clicks as regular speech sounds is Damin, a secret ritual code used by speakers of Lardil in Australia. One of the clicks in Damin is actually an egressive click, using the tongue to compress the air in the mouth for an outward (egressive) "spurt".

English and many other languages may use clicks in interjections, such as the dental "tsk-tsk" sound used to express disapproval, or the lateral click used with horses. In Ningdu Chinese, flapped nasal clicks are used in nursery rhymes. Clicks will occasionally turn up elsewhere, as in the special registers twins sometimes develop with each other.

#39

If all illegals were gone tommrow, yes there would be changes, but other legal workers/citizens would eventualy take their jobs.

In the end I think this will all backfire on them.

I was proud of my co-worker tonight. She told me she went to get chinese for lunch- they were closed. Then she looked at me and said, "I'm not going back there!"

Dogs and Cats Living Together...

Total Anarchy!

"putting lipstick on a catepillar and calling it a butterfly"

Whooaaa! Cue flying pig!

[Link: img13.imageshack.us...]

I'd just spotted this at 'Expose the Left' and was hotfooting it over here with my treasure and VIOLA...what do I find? You beat me to it, Charles!

You KNOW you've gone too far when the Swimmer says so!

#42 geepers
I spent $800.00 this weekend at Home Depot.

Wow, those guys at SomethingAwful are getting really good with their parodies.

...of which this is one, right?

Right?

The large lush knows which side his bread is buttered and perhaps also who butters the bread.

Uhm

"If illegal immigration came to a standstill, it would disrupt the economy," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com.

Yeah, the economy of MEXICO!

"It would lead to higher prices for many goods and services"

Unlike rising oil prices? Guess we better lets all the arabs move here too, huh?

"and some things literally would not get done."

Oh B.S., If something really needed to get done, it would

"It would be a major adjustment for our economy, for sure."

Yep, no more subsidizing hospital emergency rooms or public schools. Lower insurance premiums as the number of uninsured, unlicensed illegals clogging our streets would be reduced. Plus lower taxes and on and on and on . . .

Hell, I would willingly pay double or triple the price for a damned head of lettuce if it would end the whole illegal debacle!

#3: The final sign will be when the Cubs win the WS.

#49: Bill Murray, Ghostbusters.

Chappy Ted is living proof that evil does have a place in this world. It is incarnate. That's why all the good Kennedys keep dying and this besotted commie just keeps on sucking air. God keeps him around just to teach us this.

I actually saw some Dead Kennedys in a garage on Elm Street in Dallas in 1983 or so. I would actually vote for Jello Biafra before I would this barfbag.

43 fmfnavydoc

My favorite moment of the day - so far - Anna Nicole Smith beating the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals - hahahaha. Unanimous decision. :)

You go, Vickie Lynn Hogan Marshall.

Loppy will be sad she missed this thread.

OT: Sorry folks but you'll understand when you see this.

The RoP struck again...or at least the imam did. Look at this (found at france-echos):

[Link: en.france-echos.com...]

"...In Morocco the “f’qih” is an entire institution: it is a sort of imam-teacher in koranical schools, that belongs to public education. In Tétouan a “f’qih”, whose role is to teach Islam, attacked an innocent child of 6 years old. The picture speaks by its own: black eyes, bruises (? ecchymoses in French), and multiple fractures of the noise. Not to mention the psychological consequences..."

Take a look at the picture. It will break your heart.

Teddy was kinda...coherent, was this the 1st time I ever saw him...uhhh...sober?

#56 Double the price of lettuce. Triple it. Triple it again. I can handle it if the problem is solved.

In the interests of full disclosure, I should probably point out that I don't really like lettuce...

#48 W-lover - Hiya Dubs! You should suggest to your co-worker that she go back there and tell that she's not going to eat there anymore.
BTW - didn't notice any significant disruptions here in NYC, either.

#55 rayra

I estimate peak crowd at 75-90k

That's huge! I'm looking forward to the pics.

realwest
Howdy. None? Wow!

#57 MSNediacritic

#3: The final sign will be when the Cubs win the WS.

That will be the same year Buffalo wins the Super Bowl.

#61 foreign devil
HOLY SHIT! (pardon my vernacular)
I saw the story this morning but I had no idea it was really that serious.
Heartbreaking.

Anybody else think it's not too bright to hold a boycott like this on May Day, the sacred High Holy Day of the Commies?

I went shopping today and felt like I was delivering a twofer message - a finger to the illegals and a big fat capitalist f you to Karl Marx, who surely roasts in hell.

Each illegal costs the United States 2K plus, annually. That doesn't count criminal conduct or the inherent risks in open borders.

FPM has a good op-ed.

By one estimate, every illegal alien household in America on average consumes at least $2,736 more in taxpayer-funded services than it pays in taxes each year. This adds a total burden that could exceed $27 billion on American citizen taxpayers.

Then there's depressed wages and the psychological factor which makes good work seem beneath those born in America. I saw a good article which showed that this phenomenon comes after the flood of immigration. Over time, it will amount to a helot class.

You know what happened to the Spartans?

#63

In the interests of full disclosure, I should probably point out that I don't really like lettuce...

The ICEberg lettuce tax.

An Arabic version might be nice, though.

Teddy's throwing us a crumb when he says that. It's all carefully orchestrated at Dean Central. Two steps forward one step back. I wonder how many illegal voters they registered today.

Don't ever forget it was Teddy Kennedy who started the immigration problem in the 60's.

Delirium tremens

Delirium tremens (colloquially, the DTs, "the horrors", "the shakes" or "rum fits") is a condition usually associated with complete alcohol withdrawal. However, delirium tremens can appear after a rapid reduction in the amount of alcohol being consumed by heavy drinkers, and also occurs as a complication of benzodiazepine and barbiturate withdrawal. It only occurs in individuals with a history of constant, long-term alcohol consumption. Delirium tremens typically manifests about 18 to 24 hours after discontinuation of alcohol consumption, but can appear on the second or third day of abstinence.

Five percent of acute ethanol withdrawal cases progress to delirium tremens[1]. Unlike the withdrawal syndrome associated with opiate or stimulant addiction, delirium tremens (and alcohol withdrawal in general) can be fatal. Mortality can be up to 35% if untreated, though if treated early, death rates may be as low as 5%.

Symptoms
The symptoms include severe, uncontrollable tremors of the extremities and intense hallucinations such as insects, snakes or rats. These may be related to the environment, e.g., drawings on wallpaper that the patient would perceive as giant spiders ready to attack her or him. Unlike hallucinations associated with schizophrenia, delirium tremens hallucinations are primarily visual, but associated with tactile hallucinations such as sensations of something crawling on the subject. Other symptoms include agitation, confusion and the associated alcohol withdrawal fits. Secondary symptoms can be anxiety, panic attacks or paranoia.

#37 grayp - a small assumption, I'm sure! Check your e-mail when you get a chance.

jrdroll (#52),

I spent $800.00 this weekend at Home Depot.

You're not the only one.

I was there three times this weekend, and once to Lowes.

To me these marches/boycotts are like having people break into your house, decide to stay, expect you to feed and clothe them, and then complain to you about what's in the fridge.

All I know is, the only impact I felt from this rally in LA is there was less traffic and I probably got better gas mileage.

And to counteract their boycott, I went shopping and dropped about $300 on new pots & pans, I sent the Minutemen Border Fence Project a big donation ([Link: www.minutemanhq.com...] and wrote angry letters to the WhiteHouse.

# 69 M D V

That had been the whole point -- to unleash the grand new LLL coalition on an ususpecting nation to honor Karl, Che, Ceasar Chavez and the various other dustbin of history residents ...

And, unsurprisingly, they've managed to begin galvanizing a slumbering country to actions that are not in the "advocates" long-term best interest ...

tooo bad!
:-)
:-)

And Hillary wants to build a wall. What the hell is goin' on? I think the Dems are nervous over this illegal immigrant issue. And well they should be. If it wasn't for their clinging to their and the ACLU liberal pc crap over the past decades this situation would never esculated to where it is today.

The conservative position has always been clear. We are a sovereign nation with sovereign borders. Immigration should be orderly and legal. And the laws should be strictly enforced. Period.

The traffic was a lot lighter on 101 N of San Fransicko today and also down along the East Bay.

Now I'm scared because I don't know how many of the regular drivers have licenses or are insured.

#68 Killgore Trout:

No mention in the story of what punishment, if any, the imam got. The poor wee lamb. And she'll get more at home, no doubt, for walking on his prayer rug.

I can't tell you what seeing that does to me. She's at an age where she's already been contaminated and even if you got her away from that environment, it's probably too late and the 'cult' doctrine would follow her her whole life. But they might be able to save her.

She'd probably pine for home though and and eventually you'd have to take her back. It's a fantasy that you could ever really rescue her from the life she's been born to. But some women get free. I was going to use Bat Ye'or and Brigitte Gabriel as examples but neither of them, though from the Middle East, were ever Muslim though they grew up with them and knew the cult/religion intimately.

It's a male dominated world; more, it's a Middle Eastern, Muslim, male dominated world. A woman can't win. The best she can hope for is to make herself inconspicuous and hope to get free some day. Heartbreaking!

I actually saw some Dead Kennedys in a garage on Elm Street in Dallas in 1983 or so.

Was that the gig when the Assassins opened for them? I recall some Dallas folk having a fit about that one.

Did I see you at the Hot Club? Ground Zero? Tango?

#67 logger PhD

The only way the Bills will win the Super Bowl is if the other team forgets to show up. Even then, the score would probably be 3-0 and they wouldn't score until the second half.

-Giants Fan, Norwood -- wide right! (or was it left).

#81 foreign devil
Have you sent that upstairs to the Lizard King yet? If not, please do so.

#84 Killgore Trout

Have you sent that upstairs to the Lizard King yet? If not, please do so.

Psst!

How long will it be before we hear the Democrats saying:

"Immigration should be safe, legal, and rare"

Think of all the money they would save since they would just have to change their posters.

#84 KT

Isn't this the story?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Killgore Trout & foreign devil
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

My toilet has been overflowing. I cleaned and cleaned the floor, but I couldn't get anywhere. Then I turned off the water. Now, I'm starting to make progress on the floor problem.

It is just like our boarder. Until we stop the overflow, we cannot fix the problem.

2 cents

God help me but I actually agree with Teddy. I personally do not support the boycott. I recently became a US citizen, March 1/06. I've been here for 13 years. Married to a citizen for 11. Here legally with a green card. Still took three years to get it done and a few hundred dollars. I believe that anyone here illegally who wants to become a citizen should without fear of being deported be able to go and fill out an application for a green card first, pay the fees, go through the scrutiny and background checks and then get in line like the rest of us. No free lunches, I say!

lol!

/'cept the story isn't funny.

OT, but for some reason, this article made me smile.

Religious Leaders Come Together for Tourism

Religious tourism in the land of Muslims?
Any possibilties for what happens to Jews and Christians on a religious vacation in a muslim land? Any takers?

Uhm KT and FD, already been a thread on it, here

#85 reaganite
Ah, thanks. I missed a few days of LGF, I was forced to endure the barbarity of the Napa Valley where I ate delicate and delicious animals with fancy sauces lovingly prepared by rich white people for rich white people. I guess I'm still getting caught up.

St. Pancake,
Howdy!

According to the local news, there were approximately 1000 immigrants and their supporters marching in Philadelphia today. That number included several hundred who came over from Camden.

I've thrown parties bigger than that! ;-)

"waves" to St. Pancake!

94 Killgore Trout
"making fist"

Did you have fun? Sounds tremendous actually.

A hispanic friend of mine burst through my door today out of breath and and announced that Goya Foods shut down for the day...

Had to ditch my plans to go to the supermarcado to make 3 bean salad for dinner...

96 littleoldlady
"waving at all, 'cept Killgore.
Darn you, Killgore! I could have been your tour guide, you know.

Just sayin.

Awww, hell. Looks like Fatal was slow on the trigger again.

85, 87, 88, then Fatal at 93!

Sheesh

#92 St. Pancake
Faith Tourism Days III = let's increase the number of targets in the part of the world

OT - but, did anyone hear Don Imus say on MSNBC this morning that he thought "It would be cool if Zacarias flew a plane into the White House"?

My dad heard it, and got so mad he tried to e-mail MSNBC several times to complain but his e-mail was bounced. So, he e-mailed everyone on his buddy list.

He doesn't normally watch MSNBC, but was flipping through the channels and heard the comment. Imus' guest asked him if he was serious and Don said "yes".

101 bonz
*smile*

Keith Richards not only fell out of a coconut tree, but apparently had a jet ski accident after the fall from the tree.
Is it time to retire, Kieth?

102 giving up dusting
OMG! Am speechless.

#103 St. P.

Keith Richards fell from a coconut tree? We now have experimental evidence ... the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

#90 Maui Girl

I recently became a US citizen, March 1/06.

Congratulations, Maui Girl!

I have a friend who was put on a boat after the fall of Saigon by his Mom at age 14. He was on that boat with his 16 year old brother.

Muslim pirates raided the boat and took some girls. It was mostly kids on the boat. Killed the adults.

He and his brother landed in the Phillipines and got asylum here. Luong got his citizenship at age 22, and finished his Phd in EE by age 24. He walked around with an American flag during his citizenship party. Was happier then than at his graduation party.

His brother and his family are doing well, too.

Mom came over for some visits with her grandchildren before she died.

That is what America and immigration is all about.

Hmmm...

Couple charged with human trafficking

EDINBURG — A Mission couple accused of bringing two Guatemalan women to the U.S. and forcing them into domestic slavery will stand trial Monday in Hidalgo County’s first proceeding under a 2003 law criminalizing human trafficking as a state felony.

Juan Carlos Ramos, 33, and his wife, Ellilian De Leon Ramos, 35, are charged with two counts of human trafficking, a second-degree felony punishable by up to 20 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. Their trial is set for Monday in 370th state District Judge Noe Gonzalez’s courtroom.

The couple is accused of paying a coyote $250 to transport cousins Maria de Jesus Batres and Floridalma Flores and then forcing them to work in their home and businesses without compensation.
The lawsuit is pending in Judge Bobby Flores’ 139th state District Court and the women are represented by Abner Burnett, director of the South Texas Civil Rights Project. Burnett, who could not be reached for comment by deadline, is helping the women attempt to obtain U.S. visas.

The suit claims the women were brought from Matamoros on Nov. 12, 2004, by a coyote and promised employment, housing and board. Instead, the suit states, “the plaintiffs were forced to work without compensation at the homes of some of the defendants and at the adult day care center. The plaintiffs were subjected to sexual harassment and battery, and emotional and physical abuse.”

The family threatened to turn the women over to immigration authorities and forced them to work up to 21 hours per day, “often denied sufficient food and liquids,” the lawsuit claims.

The women escaped though a window in one of the homes where they were being held Jan. 11, 2005.

#103 St. Pancake

Coconuts kill more people a year than sharks yet there is no movie called "Falling Nut Three"

I'm to the left of Ted Kennedy on this one.

I have no problem with the Star Spangled Banner being sung in Spanish. Patriotism for our great country doesn't have to be expressed only in English, and I for one am glad that those of our citizens who speak only Spanish or are bilingual are patriotic Americans too, and not patriotic Mexicans or Salvadorans or Panamanians who happen to live in the United States.

And we all know that to get ahead in this country you have to learn fluent English. The immigrants from Latin America certainly know this - by the third generation over 3/4 of them don't speak any Spanish at all. Only left-wing multiculturalists don't understand it.

But until they fully learn English, why not support patriotism for this great country in Spanish? I would like to see additional versions in Vietnamese, Tagalog, Arabic, Hindi, and any other language spoken by immigrants.

#89,

Why didn't you call El Mayor, I understand he does that type thing.

#88 and #93:

I wasn't here for a few days and must have missed that. Thanks. I just saw it on a Euroblog today and freaked. She's such a little cutie and it's just shocking. If I was the mother, imam or no, I'd have killed him right there!

yet there is no movie called "Falling Nut Three"

Don't be so sure. Sounds like an Asian gay pr0n movie.

Howdy, Gordo!
Which Gordo are you today?

#109 Gordon,

Well, for one, it would add at least an hour onto every sporting event as they sang the National Anthem in all those languages.

112 Dar ul Harb
*smile*

# 102 g u d

Imus is fast becoming a live PSA for "don't do drugs when you are young, 'cause ya wind up something like this when you are old!"

would like to see a transcript of this somewhere tho ...

If for some reason my ex and I happened to be up past midnight local in the summer we could catch the beginning of Imus on MSNBC -- as soon as he showed up on screen and started with that annoying slur/drawl he has -- my ex was incedulous -- "He sounds like an idiot!"
"Drugs; lots of 'em, a long time ago"

#112 Dar ul Harb, lol! Never thought to check there!

OT

Iran hits out at 'dangerous' US

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

From the title you would surmise that there is nothing new here. But do look at the picture accompanying the article. The accompanying text is "The US is leading efforts to curtail Iran's nuclear programme", giving the idea that the statue of Liberty is death itself.

Its only when one right clicks the image properties that one finds that the pic is Iranian in origin.

Am I misreading this? Am I being unfair to the BBC? Would like your comments.

#109 Gordon
It would be one thing to translate it into Spanish. Many national anthems have been translated into English. But this song is rewritten. Not a true translation...different words

#109, nodrog

Because Francis Scott Key wrote the original poem in English.

Anything else would (at best) be a translation.

#109 nodrog

I have no problem with the Star Spangled Banner being sung in Spanish. Patriotism for our great country doesn't have to be expressed only in English,

loser

So what happens when you sing those Spanish words to the same tune -- remember, a borrowed British one -- as we use for "The Star-Spangled Banner"? Are you then singing a "Spanish version" of the national anthem? No, of course not. You are free to sing any words to that tune, and unless they happen to be identical to Key's you are not singing the national anthem. Or you may recite Key's words aloud, and unless you happen also to change your intonation so as to produce the melody of "To Anacreon in Heaven," you are not singing the national anthem. You are singing the national anthem when, and only when, you pronounce Key's words to Smith's melody. Change anything, and you are reciting some other poem or singing some other song.

[Link: www.tcsdaily.com...]

#97 St. Pancake
'twas great. It is truly beatiful country, the food and wine are fantastic. I made time to sneak off to the Culinary Institute of America every day for cooking demonstrations. The only drawback was that I had to wear fancy pants (non-denim) and shoes, it damn near killed me but I survived.

Valborg violence mars celebrations

Sweden is going down the tubes.

In Gribbylund in Täby, north of Stockholm, two people were arrested after a fight between two youth gangs, in which iron rods were used as weapons. One person was taken to hospital and a 20 year old man is suspected of attempted manslaughter after being accused of using a small axe.

The incident appears to have been a row between a gang of Swedes and a gang with immigrant backgrounds who have previously been in conflict with each other, said Elisabeth Wernsten at Täby police.

At Brommaplan in west Stockholm, three boys in their late teens were arrested on suspicion of serious assault after attacking several people with a hammer.

In several parts of Sweden the police had worked to prevent the supply of alcohol to young people. In Östersund 100 litres of spirits destined for underage drinkers was seized by police before a celebration.

In Lund police also concentrated their resources on stopping youth boozing, while in Uppsala, another major student town, police took in 57 people for drunkenness between Sunday morning and Monday morning.

Of those, twelve were under the age of 18 and the youngest was a 13 year old girl.

o.t. again it has been a long day of racin .after looking at the green beans out back i was thinking . would a muslim race driver have to make apit stop to pray to allah ?

I understand that they couldn't get a good translation & also fit the melody.

Killgore Trout
Oh, how cool! What type of cooking did you guys engage in, pray tell?

Yeah, the formal thing daily would do me in too.

#109 Gordon
You're becoming a lizardoid.
Congratulations, welcome aboard.

#109 Nodrog:

It wouldn't be so bad if the Spanish version were a direct translation but it's not. It's a Mexican/Spanish 'call to arms' and is NOT a direct translation of the Francis Scott Keye piece penned during a battle while he waited to deliver a message. The story in the song has a history and tells of the battle he's watching and how through all the sound and fury, the flag still sparked above the battle.

Instead they've used some of the tune, pumped up the beatphrases, turned them to reference Mexican feelings and beefs. It's a bit of a screed set to the Star Spangled Banner. Not cool!

I gotta go with Gordon at # 109 on this one. That's a good point.

Looks like we've got one of the "good Gordons" today.

Ah, a mystery was solved. The guy who killed the Belgian kid was a gypsy.

Joe's 'killer' might serve out sentence in Poland

#125 roger

I understand that they couldn't get a good translation & also fit the melody.

If you are in America SING IT IN ENGLISH!

#126 St. Pancake
The best ones were on velveting and bread making techniques. The demos weren't expensive and are a bargain at twice the pice.

Wow! We sure found out the reason for the traffic problems here in SoCal! What a pleasure it was to drive the 91E past Anaheim Hills out to the 15. Wow! That's all I can say. Anyone who knows this area knows what a major CF traffic is during rush hour. Breezed right through! No beat up, overloaded with equipment, 20 year old pickup trucks packed to the rafters with illegals riding in the fast lane at 60 mph.

The job sites were very quiet, very empty and everyone who was there appeared to be in a very good, almost festive, mood.

Per public comments on a fox news "speakout!" most Americans view the May Day 'walkout' / 'boycott' unfavorably.

See Fox News Article

#109 Gordon

I don't know your background, but I'm guessing Guilty Affluent Suburb, with little exposure. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I grew up in a blue-collar town 45 minutes outside of Pittsburgh, PA. Poles, Italians, Germans, Slovaks, etc. Only the Grandparents could not speak English, and no one expected them to.

English was the language of assimilation, and caring about, respecting and choosing to get to know all of your neighbors in your community. The home you chose to run to.

Add 100 more languages to your list in order to "help" our immigrants.

Oh, and I blame the plight of my friend that I mentioned in post #106 on you libs happy to bring down our effort in Vietnam.

#129 mike c.

I gotta go with Gordon at # 109 on this one. That's a good point.

So next week you'll have the Mexican Anthem in English for us?

hayseed (#124),

See that's something else we got on them. Our guys can pray while they drive.

Lotsa a guys were praying today, eh?

#132 jrdroll

yes, my point is if someone can't accomplish it why are they the authority on calling it a Spanish version of the Star Spangled Banner?

133 Killgore Trout
Oh, that sounds heavenly. I am impressed. Did you buy lots of equipment? Hope you at least picked up some good choppers.

#130 St. Pancake
Damn, I impress myself sometimes.
They could also be Gypsies

Typical Teddy
He's just having a flurry of activity to off-set his potential bad press over the windmills that he does not want blocking his silver-spooned view.

I've heard some pretty mangled 'Banners' in English. Or what was passing for English.

#140 St. Pancake
The gift shop has some great little kitchen knick-nacks. Plastic spatulas that don't melt (up to 700 degrees), nice knives, and these really cool flexible carbon fibre baking sheets that can be cleaned with a simple wipe of a damp cloth and never wear out or crust up.

A friend from Rwanda was telling me about their word for STOP; it is nearly a paragraph. He mentioned it to point out putting multiple languages on everything is impractical. In fact they find their own word for STOP impractical so the stop signs in Rwanda say "STOP". And everybody knows what it means.

Fatal #56

Hell, I would willingly pay double or triple the price for a damned head of lettuce if it would end the whole illegal debacle!

You wouldn't have to double or triple the price of a head of lettuce. Several people discussing all this have said that the harvest labor cost is only about 7% of the cost of produce. All the clowns saying the cost of produce would double and triple are either very ignorant or very big liars using scare tactics.

141 Killgore
Knew someone had mentioned that. Nice to get a confirmation though.

# 137 jrdroll

Not I. Spanish is one of the 3 languages I've failed miserably at.

BTW, I was agreeing to an accurate translation of the national anthem. If it's something else to the same tune, it ain't the national anthem.

All of you people seem to be forgetting rednecks.

What about all those poor unwashed uneducated impoverished bigots that stand around slack-jawed and confused while they start a NASCAR race?

We need a redneck version too!

Put Americans First!

144 Killgore Trout
How wonderful. Would love to get my hands on those babies. (baking sheets)

# 148 M C

"If it's something else to the same tune, it ain't the national anthem"

The reports have consistently shown that is what it actually is ...

TO ANACREON IN HEAV'N
(the original lyrics to the tune of "The Star Spangled Banner")

To Anacreon in Heav'n,
Where he sat in full glee,
A few Sons of Harmony
Sent a petition
That he their Inspirer
And Patron would be;
When this answer arrived
From the Jolly Old Grecian:
"Voice, Fiddle, and Flute,
No longer be mute,
I'll lend you my name
And inspire you to boot,

Chorus:

And besides I'll instruct you,
Like me, to intwine
The Myrtle of Venus
With Bacchus's Vine."

2. The news through Olympus
Immediately flew;
When Old Thunder pretended
To give himself airs.
"If these Mortals are suffered
Their scheme to pursue,
The devil a Goddess,
Will stay above stairs.
Hark, already they cry,
In transports of joy,
'Away to the Sons
Of Anacreon we'll fly,

Chorus:

And there with good fellows,
We'll learn to intwine
The Myrtle of Venus
With Bacchus' Vine.

3. "The Yellow-Haired God
And his nine fusty Maids
From Helicon's banks
Will incontinent flee,
Idalia will boast
But of tenantless shades,
And the bi-forked hill
A mere desert will be.
My Thunder no fear on't,
Shall soon do its errand,
And dam'me I'll swing
The Ringleaders I warrant.

Chorus:

I'll trim the young dogs,
For thus daring to twine
The Myrtle of Venus
With Bacchus's Vine."

4. Apollo rose up,
And said, "Pry'thee ne'er quarrel,
Good King of the Gods,
With My Vot'ries below:
Your Thunder is useless"--
Then showing his laurel,
Cry'd "Sic evitabile
Fulmen, you know!
Then over each head,
My laurels I'll spread,
So my sons from your Crackers
No mischief shall dread,

Chorus:

While, snug in their clubroom,
They jovially twine
The Myrtle of Venus
With Bacchus's Vine."

5. Next Momus got up
With his risible Phiz
And swore with Apollo
He'd cheerfully join --
"The full tide of Harmony
Still shall be his,
But the Song, and the Catch,
And the Laugh shall be mine.
Then, Jove, be not jealous
Of these honest fellows."
Cry'd Jove, "We relent,
Since the truth you now tell us:

Chorus:

And swear by Old Styx,
That they long shall intwine
The Myrtle of Venus
With Bacchus's Vine."

6. Ye Sons of Anacreon,
Then join hand in hand;
Preserve Unanimity,
Friendship, and Love!
'Tis yours to support
What's so happily plann'd;
You've the sanction of Gods,
And the Fiat of Jove.
While thus we agree,
Our toast let it be:
"May our Club flourish Happy,
United, and Free!

Chorus:

And long may the Sons
Of Anacreon intwine
The Myrtle of Venus
With Bacchus's Vine."

#139 roger

my point is if someone can't accomplish it why are they the authority on calling it a Spanish version of the Star Spangled Banner?

My offense is some left wing jerk using a bunch of people (illegal immigrants) to advance the shAt heads notoriety. F88k socialists, communists,collectivists, gaia worshipping greens.

Have not seen this before.
At last our lefties see the light

How comes it that Ramsey Clark, the equivalent public face in America, is one of Saddam’s legal team and has argued that he was justified in committing the hideous crimes of which he stands accused? Why is the left’s beloved cultural icon, Michael Moore, saying that the “insurgents” in Iraq are the equivalent of the American revolutionaries of 1776?

I believe there are three explanations for this horrid mutation of the left into a reactionary and nihilistic force. The first is nostalgia for the vanished “People’s Democracies” of the state socialist era. This has been stated plainly by Galloway and by Clark, whose political sect in the United States also defends Castro and Kim Jong-il.

The bulk of the anti-war movement also opposed the removal of the Muslim-slayer Slobodan Milosevic, which incidentally proves that their professed sympathy with oppressed Muslims is mainly a pose.

However, that professed sympathy does help us to understand the second motive. To many callow leftists, the turbulent masses of the Islamic world are at once a reminder of the glory days of “Third World” revolution, and a hasty substitute for the vanished proletariat of yore. Galloway has said as much in so many words and my old publishers at New Left Review have produced a book of Osama Bin Laden’s speeches in which he is compared with Che Guevara.

As you can see, that'd be a lot easier to sing if you've been "intwining the myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine" for a few hours...

The immigrant that stuccoed my shed today didn't go in to his regular job as a show of solidarity with the marchers.

Yeah, I don't get it either. He loved the American dollars I gave him.

#58 I actually saw some Dead Kennedys in a garage on Elm Street in Dallas in 1983 or so.

#84Was that the gig when the Assassins opened for them? I recall some Dallas folk having a fit about that one. Did I see you at the Hot Club? Ground Zero? Tango?

I saw them at The People's Temple (Of Jim Jone's fame) on a bill with Fear and The Tubes. It was an interesting night, the only worrisome moment was when Jello let my GF at the time touch his scar... I decided it was time to go then, since I know how musicians are.

Seriously though, if Mexico is going to boycott American business in their country a day, why don't we boycott their goods for a month? NO MAS MEXICALI POR UN MES !

Jack Bauer hijacks a plane tonight. 9 edst

Interesting bit about the tune in Wikipedia:

The same melody, albeit sung off-key, was used as a Betelgeusean death anthem in the BBC production of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

Imus is fast becoming a live PSA for "don't do drugs when you are young, 'cause ya wind up something like this when you are old!"

Also true of Keith Richard. "If you shoot heroin in your 20's, you might not die, but you might very well end falling out of coconut trees when you're 62."

Crap, he probably thought he spotted a nickel bag up there and had to go get it.

#118 DP111

Am I misreading this? Am I being unfair to the BBC? Would like your comments.

There's no such thing as unfairness when it comes to the BBC. The new Pravda of The West.

Interesting, Mike C. and I agree with Gordon and he disappears. What's up with that?

#158 jrdroll 5/1/2006 05:40PM PDT

Jack Bauer hijacks a plane tonight. 9 edst

Maybe he'll fly it into the MSNBC studio.

# 162 K T

'cause a closer look at the post allows it to be fisked pretty well and today's gordo doesn't seem like he's spoiling much for a fight ...
:-)

#158 jrdroll

Jack Bauer hijacks a plane tonight. 9 edst

He's hoping the passengers don't turn on him?

back to Kennedy hisself, the reason he must answer this way is that the whole issue has got nothing whatsoever to do with the Democrat Party

ANSWER/Azltan/Fox/DJwhomever is behind all this, the Dems are flatfooted and dangling off a precipice of irrelevance

The Dems can't afford further splintering of their coalition.

What are the Blacks and the Unions thinking of all this?

geepers 149 can you come up with a version for # 3 and # 8 fans

# 158 163

HEY! some of us don't get to see 24 for another 5+ hrs., so ixnay on the poilersay!

#162 Killgore

Interesting, Mike C. and I agree with Gordon and he disappears. What's up with that?

He might be having an epiphany? Never mind...;)

161 Cartman

I have no illusions of the BBC.

What I wish to know is, does the picture and the accompanying text below, give any passing reader the impression, that the US is accurately represented by the statue of Liberty as death itself.

#165 Cartman

#158 jrdroll

Jack Bauer hijacks a plane tonight. 9 edst

He's hoping the passengers don't turn on him?

No, I saw European flags around that plane (a diplomtic flight) in last week's episode. Europeans. Diplomats.

Jack will be fine.

#168 Buckaroo

HEY! some of us don't get to see 24 for another 5+ hrs., so ixnay on the poilersay!

It was on the previews for this weeks episode at the end of the show last Monday.

I speak fluent spanish after living in Dom Rep 4 years...I tend to find Spanish very wordy, cumbersome and at times not translating well...i calculate it takes 25% more word use when English is translated to Spanish

Son of Shah Plans Iranian Overthrow

Just hope he clears it with the LLL's.

Pat Robertson (who I don't like at all) gets it right again...
Robertson labeled Islam a "bloody, brutal type of religion"

Pat Robertson expressed concern that Americans, "especially the American left," need to "wake up" to the "danger" that Islam presents. Robertson continued: "Who ever heard of such a bloody, bloody, brutal type of religion? But that's what it is. It is not a religion of peace."

If i wasn't so sure that he'd soon say something completely stupid and offensive next week, I'd defend him on these type of comments.

# 172 C

I'm following the Bush doctrine and being preemtive!

:-)

OT but interesting:

Bolivia Military Told to Occupy Gas Fields

LA PAZ, Bolivia - President Evo Morales ordered soldiers to occupy Bolivia's natural gas fields Monday and threatened to evict foreign companies unless they give Bolivia control over the entire chain of production.

Morales sent soldiers and engineers with Bolivia's state-owned oil company to installations and fields tapped by foreign companies - including Britain's BG Group PLC and BP PLC, Brazil's Petroleo Brasileiro SA, Spanish-Argentine Repsol YPF SA, France's Total SA and U.S.-based Exxon Mobil Corp. The companies have six months to agree to new contracts or leave Bolivia, he said.

Morales, a leftist allied with Cuba's Fidel Castro and Venezuela's Hugo Chavez in seeking to blunt U.S. influence in the region, had pledged to exert greater state control over the industry since winning election in December, becoming Bolivia's first Indian president.

It comes as Ecuador argues with Washington over a new oil royalties law and less than a month after Chavez ordered the seizure of oil fields from Total and Italy's Eni SpA when the companies failed to comply with a government demand that operations be turned over to Venezuela's state oil company, Petroleos de Venezuela SA.

[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

#167 hayseed

can you come up with a version for # 3 and # 8 fans

We have one. Thanks anyway.

democrats are dinosaurs. the untalented are heros of the left.

#170 DP111

What I wish to know is, does the picture and the accompanying text below, give any passing reader the impression, that the US is accurately represented by the statue of Liberty as death itself.

I have absolutely no doubt that the image is equated with evil and death in many parts of the world. Hell...America's own leftist cadre actively promote the symbolic connection.

#169 Cartman
Epiphany accompanied by brain cramps. Birth, like rebirth is always painful.

I hate Mexican "food". Up there with the English.

(hayseed~ sorry, but that's just asking for it around here)

;-)

:D

#176 Buckaroo

I'm following the Bush doctrine and being preemtive!

LOL! We promise not to give away any more details this evening!

I agree with Gordon too, for once.

And no, I'm not Gordon!

Apparently he's in the same city as me though. I'll look around for a "Three Faces of Eve" type person, and I'll know it's him.

Or her.

# 184 C

I appreciate that ...

Iran complains to UN chief over threat of US attack [No, really!]

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Iran complained to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan over what it perceives as the threat of a United States attack, as the regime continued to defy demands to halt its disputed nuclear drive.
In a letter forwarded to the United Nations chief by Iran's ambassador in New York, Mohammad Javad Zarif, the regime condemned "American officials for their illegitimate and open threats to use force against the Islamic republic of Iran".
"These are in obvious contravention of international rules and the principles of the United Nations," the letter was quoted as saying by the official news agency IRNA.
It said that "these rude threats have recently been publicised through some reports in US newspapers", and noted a report in The New Yorker magazine last month which said US military planners had even looked into using nuclear 'bunker-busters' to strike Iran's atomic facilities.
"These (threats) have entered a new stage, with the refusal of US officials to deny these reports," the letter said, calling for "serious attention" as well as "quick and firm action" from the world body.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
An Iranian woman walks past an anti-US graffiti depicting the Statue of Liberty on the wall of the former US embassy in Tehran. Iran complained to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan over what it perceives as the threat of a United States attack, as the regime continued to defy demands to halt its disputed nuclear drive.

Well, time to witness the 24 lives of Jack Bauer. Later!

GRRR... it's nearly Bauer time and blogger is on the fritz again...

#185 martinsmithy

I would agree if it was a translation of the original. Making up anything you want and calling it the Star Spangled Banner is just messed up in my opinion.

More Kennedy baloney.

Kennedy cousin's defense IDs 2 in killing

STAMFORD, Conn. (AP) -- Attorneys for Michael Skakel, the Kennedy cousin convicted of killing a neighbor when he was a teenager in 1975, identified two men Monday they say have been implicated in the killing.

Skakel is seeking a new trial based on a claim by Gitano "Tony" Bryant, a cousin of basketball star Kobe Bryant, that two of his friends actually killed 15-year-old Martha Moxley that night.

#40 logger phd

Well, we could probably use all 100 of these languages :)

#109 Gordon

I'm to the left of Ted Kennedy on this one.

Anyone surprised?

What nodroG means is "Balkanization hasn't been correctly implemented yet."

Nothing creates Balkanization like an inability to communicate. Dealing with legalities in two languages, trying to parse critical terms, is a neverending nightmare. Separating people within a nation by language, emphasis on race (advocated by La Raza, Black Panthers, KKK, Democratic Party, college professors, and their ilk), and not sharing the most fundamental norms which underly society, always the kiss of death.

Needless to say, our liberal arts colleges, politicians, and mainstream media lead the way.

Those who do not learn the lessons of history don't get a retest.

How would it start:

"Jose can you see?"

/haven't read the whole thread, surely someone beat me to it.

Apologies if this has been posted.

Wolfensohn steps down as Gaza envoy

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Former World Bank president James Wolfensohn formally stepped down as economic coordinator for Gaza, saying the rise of a Hamas-led Palestinian government made his job untenable.

Well, the only impact of the boycott/march today in the bay area that I noticed was much better trafffic than I've seen on a Monday in a long while.

Made it to work in 20 min this morning, versus the usual 40, and home in 30, versus the usual 50.

Was rather nice. If this is the impact of illegals not working, etc., I hope it continues.

BTW, all my staff showed up today, including the new hire, an Iranian woman (she insists she is Persian) who spent the morning railing against, in her words, "those ungrateful criminals".

easy! hahahahaha!

That was too easy! How did I miss it :D

#175 Killgore Trout:

Both Robertson and Franklin Graham (whom I DO like) have said the same thing. Graham's hospital in the Sudan has been bombed (with the patients in it--deliberately) three times. He KNOWS these people. And he's a very reasonable guy, for a preacher. But the backlash in the press. And of course, Robertson does ocassionally come out with some clangers so this was just considered another one. There can't be anyone left of the planet who doesn't know more now about the real Islam than they ever thought they would or wanted to. I think we can all judge now whether Islam is dangerous or not for ourselves and I personally have to say, at the risk of agreeing with Robertson on just about anything, I agree with he and Graham on this one.

#187, cbinflux

In a letter forwarded to the United Nations chief by Iran's ambassador in New York, Mohammad Javad Zarif, the regime condemned "American officials for their illegitimate and open threats to use force against the Islamic republic of Iran".

And Iran saying that Israel should be destroyed is what, exactly?

English is the de facto language for this country.

'Nuff said.

(And I'm fluent in several languages, Spanish being one of them.)

m-183 & easy 194 . oh can you see there goes number three...

holy Crap!

Ted Kennedy said That!

Pack up the kids. Lock and load we're headed for the cabin. The END of the world IS here!

#200 BostonPatriot

English is the de facto language for this country.

It's the language of the U.S. Constitution. Nothing else comes close in importance. Respect for that document is the most important underlying norm in society. If that goes, we're no longer the United States. Diversity is fine if the foundation holds. If the foundation goes, everything goes.

#193 Beagle:

One of the reasons the Muslim Brotherhood and other Muslim organizations have grafted onto this movement is that they can use them by proxy to change laws, then use THAT as precedent when they want something changed themselves. And the three groups will triangulate and support each other's causes in future. You'll see them coming out on behalf of Muslims.

I strongly suspect Fox of Mexico to be in league with the Arabs. I believe there have been some visits back and forth at various levels between HAMAS and Mexican authorities and FOX has been entertained by the Saudi's, I believe. I'd have to google to find it all and I'm too tired to bother, but I believe we should all keep an open mind about connections between the Islamists and a number of the banana republics. Chavez for sure has made deals with the Arabs and Palestinians and now I understand there's been another socialist elected. I need a scorecard to keep track of it all.

Basically, it looks like what Kennedy tried to prevent, with the help of the Islamists beavering away with deals to undercut the US, has at last come true and that a Communist resurgence is definitely underway in Latin American countries. The whole world is polarizing in the most amazing way. Good and evil!

#109 Gordon

Good to see you on here, Gordon. You're my hero, and one of the few sane, progressive people who post here.

I rebuke thee Eeeevil Titus Quintius!

^ add a c where appropriate :D

#205 Evil Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Please don't say "progressive", it's almost as stupid as leftists using "liberal".

They're neither progressive nor liberal, they just use the label to look good.

From Wikipedia

Apparently translating the Star-Spangled Banner is not exactly a new phenomenon

The Star-Spangled Banner was translated into Spanish in 1919 by the US Bureau of Education[4]. It has also been translated into a number of other languages. In 1861, it was translated into German [5] (and is also on that page in Latin). It has been translated into Yiddish by Jewish immigrants[6]and into French by Acadians of Louisiana

Justmyview~ I didn't read them all, but I did do a quick scan. I think most people on the thread have said that a translation wouldn't cause the uproar.

It is apparently not just a translation.

#198 foreign devil
It's tough for me as an atheist/secular humanist/existentialist to side with the evangelical preachers. I'll do it on a case by case basis, but my support can't really go beyond that for now.
When they're right they're right.

#206 m

Thank you for sending Evil TQC back to the nether regions for a bit. I forgot to lock the door and he got out.

#1 You mean he wasn't then?

#209 Justmyview

They translated the Star Spangled Banner into French?

/the's got to cross a line somewhere

Thats some kind of video trick. It has to be.

#199 dar ul harb
That's what I'm sayin'!

Charles should queue this one up.

Mary Jo Kopecne could not be reached for comment

/somebody had to say it.

Lou Dobbs is the future of the Democratic Party.

#210 m

Yes, the fact that this isn't a direct translation is discussed at the Wikipedia link I gave above. But I don't think that most of the people who have discussed this topic on the air and elsewhere have made that distinction.

Here's what that entry says re "Nuestro Himno".

A Spanish language translation called "Nuestro Himno" ("Our Anthem") was created in 2006 as a show of support for Latino/Hispanic immigrants in the United States as a response to a proposed crackdown on illegal immigration. Similar to the English version of the Canadian national anthem, which was set to the tune of the French version but is not related to the text thereof, this song or himno is merely inspired by and is only an approximate not a word by word translation of the stanzas selected from Key's poem. As such, no claim is made that it is the Spanish language version of the United States' national anthem.

# 208 BP

Uh, that was a joke.

What would Jack Bauer do ?

#196 CA(Dublin)Dude

Had the interview today. Nice area, I have to say. I could be happy there.

The interview went well -- but I'm disappointed that the traffic isn't always that nice. Oh well. About what I figured.

#220 Mike C

I'm aware, just the term boils my blood.

cincinnatus hey cincinnati has a statue of you on the river front. they also have statues of flying pigs. no muslims coming up the river bank.

Comment from a moonbat on another board. I thought you would enjoy this.

Ahh, but we insist on democracy and freedom according to our terms. We, as a country, are attempting to force our values on the rest of the world. If we as a country are doing such a wonderful philanthropic job of instilling freedom and democracy across the globe...then why do so many countries hate us? Why do even our allies consider Americans and their government as obnoxious, pushy, selfish, etc if we are so selfless and only want to save these poor people from their leaders and give them freedom? Our "generosity" is going to be our country's downfall.

#204 foreign devil

What chills me is the rot from within. Colleges have become cesspools of statism and the thought police. Risking oversimplification, it always comes down to liberty versus the utopians. The utopians don't respond to reason. Whether it's religous, political, or both, the utopian ideal will invariably create a dystopia. Liberty is a hard sell because it offers no concrete answers or unified theory of everything. It just works better. It's messy and people must be tolerant, but not the smothering "tolerance" of PC. Liberty means the right to offend, challenge, and make "mistakes." Every great advance I can think of was viewed as idiotic at one time.

Viewing people as a means to an end instead of ends unto themselves is another way of looking at it. Socialists, fascists, and theocrats all share this unrealistic tendency which makes them very angry, wrong, and yet unwavering in their beliefs.

Ahh, but we insist on democracy and freedom according to our terms.

Yeah, too bad we don't insist on democracy and freedom according to Lenin/Stalin/Mao's terms.

#209 JustMyView

Apparently translating the Star-Spangled Banner is not exactly a new phenomenon

The Star-Spangled Banner was translated into Spanish in 1919 by the US Bureau of Education[4]. It has also been translated into a number of other languages. In 1861, it was translated into German [5] (and is also on that page in Latin). It has been translated into Yiddish by Jewish immigrants[6]and into French by Acadians of Louisiana

I don't recall any mention of a Reconquista movement back in 1919... A very different political climate exists today - and it ain't because of "white racist Republicans" either.

#228 Spiny Norman

Dinsdale!

#219 JustMyView

Then it is simply not the Star Spangled Banner. So what is all the brou-haha about?

Nobody said they couldn't write songs. But calling a mexican fight song the Star Spangled Banner is wrong to me.

TQC

They translated the Star Spangled Banner into French?

That's what it says. Apparently, the translation was done by the Acadians of Louisiana. If you're not already familiar with their story, you may be interested in a brief overview of who the Acadians were and how they came to be in Louisiana.

Like the Spanish version that everyone is concerned about now, these earlier translations were done for people who came to the U.S. not speaking English. It's worth noting that none of these versions has survived in popular usage. It's likely that this Spanish song would go away too as Spanish-speaking people become more assimilated.

A study that I read recently indicated that there is no evidence that the current generation of Spanish-speaking immigrants assimilates any more slowly than do previous immigrants from other places. In general, by the time a family produces its third generation from the date of immigration, they speak English and know very little of their native language (i.e., the grandchildren of immigrants speak English and know little of the language their grandparents speak).

#222 MSMedia

Where was the interview? I'm sorry, I'm sure you told me, but refresh my fevered old brain.

I'm sure many of you, as I do, have grandparents that were legal immigrants, that worked hard and raised families, in some cases became citizens and were proud to vote. They earned, were not given, everything they had. Some, though it was difficult, learned fluent english, including singing the SSB. I get the feeling that this present group thinks they are the only immigrants to come to and work menial jobs. Most that came here were coming from hard times. A great-grandfather was taken to Siberia and never heard from again. The Soviets tried to stamp out the Lithuanian language, many people were forced to move to other areas so that Russian speaking families could move in. Many people from many countries have suffered hardships but most came legally. I don't know of any country that has their anthem sung in anything other than the native language.

#209 JMV

It's not translating it or singing it that's the problem. It's the idea the United States will work without a common language. Evolving into a multilingual culture is possible, but an experiment which fails time and again. With English being the de facto Lingua Franca of the world, should we experiment with what works?

The debate goes far beyond the song to a Hispanic separatist movement, a Quebecois in the United States.

Should I learn Spanish? Sure, especially living here. But I must be able to get by in English. I'll make sure Zachary can speak Spanish. I took French, probably the greatest "d-oh" decision I could have made given where I live.

OT

Happy May Day

LA PAZ, Bolivia — President Evo Morales ordered soldiers to immediately occupy Bolivia's natural gas fields Monday and threatened to evict foreign companies unless they sign new contracts within six months giving Bolivia majority control over the entire chain of production.

Morales said soldiers and engineers with Bolivia's state-owned oil company would be sent to installations operated by foreign petroleum companies.

"The time has come, the awaited day, a historic day in which Bolivia retakes absolute control of our natural resources," Morales said in a speech from the San Alberto petroleum field in southern Bolivia to decree what he called a nationalization of the natural gas industry. The field is operated by Brazil's Petroleo Brasileiro SA in association with the Spanish-Argentine Repsol YPF SA and France's Total SA.

#230 m

Nobody said they couldn't write songs. But calling a mexican fight song the Star Spangled Banner is wrong to me.

229 posts, and you finally nail it, my friend!

:-)

Has anyone else noticed that it's been over 6+1/2 hours since Charles posted this thread without a new thread, yet there are still over 2,600 visitors on line? What are they all reading?
BTW, I sure hope hearing the Swimmer say that about the National Anthem didn't give Charles the vapors or somethng!

ENGLISH LYRICS
Verse 1
The day is breaking, do you see it? In the light of the dawn?
What we so acclaimed at nightfall?
Its stars, its stripes,
flew yesterday
In the fierce battle
in a sign of victory,
The glow of battle, in step with liberty
At night they said: "It's being defended!"

Chorus
Oh say!
The voice of your starry beauty
is still unfolding
Over the land of the free
The sacred flag?

Verse 2
Its stars, its stripes,
Freedom, we are equal
We are brothers, in our anthem.
In the fierce combat in a sign of victory
The glow of battle, in step with liberty
My people keep fighting
It's time to break the chains
At night they said: "It's being defended!"
Oh say! Your starry beauty is still unfolding.

Okay, so it isn't as bad as I thought. It's still NOT the Star Spangled Banner or a translation of it. It is simply a different song.

♪ Over the land of the freee!
And the hooome of the braaave! ♪

#231 JustMyView

In general, by the time a family produces its third generation from the date of immigration, they speak English and know very little of their native language

Unless, of course, they hold dual citizenship which puts into question their allegiance

#235 Dar ul Harbarian

The time has come, the awaited day, a historic day in which Bolivia retakes absolute control of our natural resources

Time to line some pockets and wreck the economy. These stories rarely turn out well. Foreign investment? Not any more.

Proponents of Spanish Anthem Point to Rice

WASHINGTON - President Bush wants people to sing the national anthem in English only. Promoters of singing it in Spanish are pointing to comments by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice - and her department's Web site - as ammunition for their side of the argument.

There are four Spanish versions on USINFO.State.gov, a multi-language Web site.

"I've heard the national anthem done in rap versions, country versions, classical versions," Rice said Sunday on CBS's "Face the Nation." "The individualization of the American national anthem is quite under way."

The State Department site for some time has offered translations of the U.S. Constitution, pledge of allegiance and other documents in French, Arabic and other foreign languages to help people understand America better.

[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

...Our Flag was still there!

Looks like we have only a couple more hours before the U.S. does not exist do to the protest devastating our country to bits.

The net cost to the federal government in 2002 for public services provided to illegal aliens was $10.4 billion or $2,736 per household according to a report by the Center for Immigration Studies. Estimates for 2005 put the amount at $11.7 billion or $3,080 per household.

Illegal Alien Costs By Social Service

Lost Revenue: The U.S. may be foregoing up to $35 billion in lost tax revenue because of the growing size of the underground labor market using illegal workers in the cash economy, according to a January, 2005 report by the Wall Street firm Bear Sterns.

Health Costs: Medicaid costs for illegal aliens and their U.S.-born children are $2.8 billion annually, according to a study by the Center for Immigration Studies. Approximately 70% of households headed by illegal aliens have at least one person without medical insurance, compared to 20% of all other households. The federal government spends $250 million each year reimbursing states for emergency medical services provided to illegal aliens, which is less than 10% of the true cost of those services.

Education Costs: The Center for Immigration Studies has shown that federal aid to K-12 public schools for the education of the children of illegal aliens is $1.4 billion annually, not including the cost of free school lunches. The total cost to state and local taxpayers for educating 3.5 million children of illegal aliens is estimated at $28.6 billion, according to a Federation for American Immigration Reform study.

Incarceration: Illegal aliens account for less than 5% of the U.S. adult population, but were 17% of the federal prison population in 2004, imposing a net cost of $1.8 billion in court and incarceration expenses

#242 Ann

My flag flew all day, in fact, its still daylight here, and it's still flying.

linksmulinksmu, # 233:

..." They earned, were not given, everything they had..."

And that my friend,is what makes America great.

No one GAVE any American anything. Everything any American has, the SUV the nice house and the golf club membership, was EARNED.

I don't see any Americans weeping and wringing their hands crying, "victim, victim, give me money.."

#232 CA(Dublin)Dude

Check your e-mail for the details.

#235 Dar ul Harbarian - see my #177. Then see my
#237!
2,600 visitors on line -WTH are they all reading?!?

Leftist protest day.

off the che fans

#242 Ann

...Our Flag was still there!

:D :D :D :D :D :D !

Thasssright!

Well, that was an interesting 24, having just saw United 93 Friday night.

#239 bonz

Unless, of course, they hold dual citizenship which puts into question their allegiance

I don't know anything about dual citizenship issue, i.e., who can get it, under what circumstances, and so on. I would think that the best way to get people invested in this country would be to do everything possible to help them fit in here. I don't have the sense that most of the people marching in the past few weeks want to go back, even though they may have relatives in Mexico or elsewhere. I'm sure it's always been true that immigrants to this country have left family behind. It's different now because travel and communication are easier than in previous generations, but being able to talk to Grandma back home doesn't mean that people won't become attached to the U.S.

Ahh, but we insist on democracy and freedom according to our terms.

I can understand that there can be different types of democracies... but freedom?

Main Entry: free·dom
Pronunciation: 'frE-d&m
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being free: as a : the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action b : liberation from slavery or restraint or from the power of another :

Of course they always come back with the freedom from - insert your social ill here.

Then there's the Enrico Palazzo version of the National Anthem. . . .

#249 m - doesn't have to be a Mexican fight song- see my #241; apparently the State Department -that is, the United States State Department, has four different Spanish language versions of it!

Where does 'Flipper' stand on this issue?

#247, realwest

2,600 visitors on line -WTH are they all reading?!?

It's an influx of illegal "guest lurkers"!

#242 MSM

Got it. You were right down the street from me and you got a taste of what our weather is like seven months of the year.

Hope you enjoyed it, and if you take the job, find housing nearby, keep your commute time to a minimun.

Blogs get a special end-run
Memphis native, former Democratic National Committee general counsel, argues campaign finance laws should apply there, too

The main concern
If, like newspapers, television and radio, bloggers can claim an exemption from the campaign finance laws, any organization (except a political party or candidate's campaign committee) can collect and spend as much as it wants seeking to influence political contests, without disclosing where it came from.
"My concern is not with the average citizen who chooses to publish a blog and share his or her viewpoints on the Internet, but with the large corporations and unions who seek to unfairly influence campaigns by spending huge amounts of money under the guise of being a blog," she said in her FEC testimony.
Bloggers counter that, unlike the days of big media networks, in the "new media" universe, any one blog will be competing with thousands of others, its influence limited to the eyeballs it catches. In the age of Salon.com, journalism has been freed from printing presses and satellite trucks.

# 255 T

When? Before today, during today, after today?
:-)

I have a Jamaican customer up here in Canada.

This guy came here from Jamaica 15 years ago and through hard work and perseverence he is now one of the biggest tire dealers in this country.

The guy is wealthy, but he still works 60 hours a week and he employes dozens of people.

This guy is an example of why people come to North America.

Realwest

I find it hard to keep up with all comments on long threads. Thus, redundancy

PIMF
[Link: www.commercialappeal.com...]

# 247 rw

[looks at left sidebar]

Fear not! The music has started! A new thread could be in the process of being birthed!

:-)

#244 Dublin(CA)Dude

My flag flew all day, in fact, its still daylight here, and it's still flying.

I know that so many of us here on LGF worry about the preservation of our strength, represented by that Flag. We are a young Country, and I know that our Founding Fathers called rule by the people The Great Experiment.

I have faith in that Flag that represents the best that any society offers in our world today.

To Hell with those who want to weaken this ideal.

Our flag was still there, but the British burned down the White House. Oh well, we started it.

#234 beagle

It's not translating it or singing it that's the problem. It's the idea the United States will work without a common language. Evolving into a multilingual culture is possible, but an experiment which fails time and again. With English being the de facto Lingua Franca of the world, should we experiment with what works?

I agree that this is a serious issue, although countries do survive with minority language groups (e.g., Canada, Belgium). India has, apparently, many language groups, and China, too, has, at least, Cantonese and Mandarin. (I'm not expert enough in this area to say how these differences affect the countries involved or, in the case of India and China, how similar to each other the languages are or what is taught in the schools.) There are probably other examples that I don't know about.

I'm pretty fond of English myself. I make my living as a writer and editor, and I also have a long history as a teacher of writing. So language is important to me, and I understand the importance of shared language as a bond between people.

But it doesn't appear that the English is likely to disappear as the language in which we operate as a society. This article discusses the "third generation" phenomenon that I mentioned above. It suggests that, although assimilation is somewhat slower with recent Spanish-speaking immigrants, the general finding that the vast majority of people become monolingual in English by the third generation still holds.

Personally, I would like to see about 2 years of _real border control before we even start talking about any kind of citizenship/amnesty program. We have been down this road before and none of the enforcement promises have been kept.

Immigration Checkmate
by Victor Davis Hanson

If we controlled the borders in exchange for allowing current resident illegals to apply for citizenship, future legal and measured immigration from Mexico, while perhaps somewhat greater than from other countries, would cease to be either large or exceptional. The present perpetually replenished pool of aggrieved second-class unlawful residents would soon vanish.

Also gone would be the romance of "Alta California" — the strange notion that demography and the labor market will do what the law cannot and extend Mexico into the southwestern United States. We'd be able to jettison the "the borders crossed us" nonsense that tends to radicalize a shadow underclass and return to the notion that we are all part of a melting-pot society.

So, yes, we need to take our cue from the protestors in the street whose placards and banners at last broadcast their genuine desire to join us as Americans. Let us, the hosts, help resident illegal aliens to meet workable criteria to become citizens, as we ensure an end to the broken system of open borders and labor exploitation.

But let the present aliens only become Americans in the fullest linguistic, cultural and social sense — just as millions from all over the world have done before them.

Those of the left claim that racism fuels the anger over illegal immigration. Those on the right agree — but insist instead that the racism really comes from La Raza separatism on the part of the unassimilated Hispanic community.

Very soon we could learn who in this sad debate has been telling the truth about ethnic chauvinism. If conservatives would not worry over the ethnicity of these new Americans and thus allow most of those already here from Mexico to stay, then the onus will rest with the ethnic activists to urge rapid and full assimilation.

[Link: victorhanson.com...]

# 251 JMV

An immigrant does not have to give up his/her citizenship in his/her home country to become a US citizen. And relatively recently the law was changed to allow native-born US citizens to obtain foreign citizenship without having to give up their US citizenship. As an example, if you can prove one of your parents or grandparents was a citizen of Germany or the Republic of Ireland, you can get citizenship there and still retain your US citizenship.

#259 Buckaroo

LOL

He was for it before he was against it.

#261 Dar ul Harbarian - Dar - no sweat, do it myself from time to time, but it struck me as strange with all the "guest" visitors (LOL!) that it hadn't been read yet!

Gee, I really hope hearing Teddy say that didn't give Charles the vapors or this will be the Dead Thread and a lot of folks won't be able to go deep enough to see/contribute!

# 264 A

The Aztlan fanatics, just like the jihadi fanatics, don;' know when to quit -- as the last ~3 weeks have evidenced.

When M. Malkin and T. Kennedy find common ground opposing something your movement professes (for the moment, anyway) to hold so dear, the long-term prospects for said movement are pretty dim ...

Aha - I sense a new thread coming in 5,4,3,

ot but...

is it just me, or can we all agree that Madonna ought to go to Hyannisport and lick the chrome knobs in Teddy's house... never to be heard from again...?

What a has been.

The funniest thing on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 moments ago 10:15. He was infatuated with how smart the protesters were for ditching the Mexican flags in favor of USA ones, and getting people to agree with him. Right behind the guy being interviewed a guy showing an upside down USA flag to the camera - it took up a good portion of the screen.

Huh? Charles changed the CD now playing and I thought for sure that meant a new thread. Unless of course Stinky Beaumont changed the CD!