Cue the apologist whines in 3...2...1...

"It's because they're so MISTREATED! WAAAH!" No, it's because they're murderous thugs who are obeying Mo's Prime Directive to kill all nonbelievers.

I have read nothing in the dinosaur media about any jihadis being released.

I hope you Yanks kicked some serious ass in Gitmo, today.

They must not be looking forward to leaving on saudi 747s.

ahaam aleeevin on a jet plane...

Um... grenade launchers?

i know some of you hate this stuff..but o well..(Isaiah 17:1 ESV) An oracle concerning Damascus. Behold, Damascus will cease to be a city and will become a heap of ruins.

(Isaiah 17:1 JPS) The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.

(Isaiah 17:1 NIV) An oracle concerning Damascus: "See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins.

Looking at these three different translations, we see the prophecy is not only about the destruction of Damascus, but the thorough dissolution of its status as a city. Its "cityhood" will be taken away. After this oracle is fulfilled, there will never be a city called Damascus again. If Isaiah had only said "Damascus will be destroyed", then presumably, it could be rebuilt. But the impact is stronger than that. "Damascus will be negated from being a city." (Stone Edition Tanach)

Maybe this planeload of terrorists and their supporters will crash in mekkka into that black box thinggie and, then, they'll have shown the whole world what asses they really are. Could we wish for any other kind of justice?

Even after ambushing the solders they still got their stupid muslim asses kicked, ha. What a bunch of girls

#4 Noam Sayin' - Hey NOAM! Yeah, but apparently the grenade launchers just fired rubber
"blunt objects".

Waiting for Charles to post the inevitable update/news flash link from the left that the latest is just another bogus cover story, that the whole thing really was a suicide, that the prisoners were innocent as ever, that they got beat-down for no reason, etc etc. As Drudge says, "Developing..."

It would be nice if the guards didn't repair the lights or clean up the feces on the floor for a while. Let them fester.

Also, no more Korans. Why are we coddling them with this death cult book? The Koran is a recipe book for world conquest and domination. There is no reason why it should be allowed in a jihadi detention center.

I hope this results in all fans and cooling devices being taken away from the prisoners areas.

I wonder if the story will ever be updated on the cable news stations? Guess is "no", can't do anything that would show these guys as anything but harmless victims.

Maybe we should start wearing our gold stars and what, gold crosses, now?

I have it under very good authority that the situation is under control. The media doesn't have the whole story. Our boys performed heroically and professionally. Wait for the official report in a day or 2.

Really hate to go OT, but don't know if I'll be able to stay awake until an open thread or photo thread tonight so:

Hoffa Informant Said to Pass Polygraph
WASHINGTON - The informant who is spurring the search for Jimmy Hoffa's remains is an ailing prison inmate who recently passed a polygraph exam in the probe, says a government investigator who is familiar with the FBI operation in Michigan.

The informant, Donovan Wells, 75, remembers "suspicious activity" on what is now called Hidden Dreams Farm in Milford Township, Mich., at the time Hoffa disappeared, the investigator said Friday.

The investigator spoke on condition of anonymity because some of the information he was relating comes from records that have been ordered sealed by a federal judge. Among them is an FBI affidavit detailing the basis for the search warrant used to dig up the ground on the horse farm.

On the day Hoffa vanished, the property was owned by Hoffa associate Rolland McMaster, according to Oakland County, Mich., property records. McMaster's attorney says FBI agents visited the 93-year-old retired Teamster this week.

Hoffa was last seen on July 30, 1975, at the Machus Red Fox Restaurant about 20 miles from the farm, which McMaster owned throughout the 1970s.

As one example of the account Wells is telling the FBI, the investigator said Wells remembers seeing a number of cars on the property at the time Hoffa vanished, and then a short time later the cars were gone.

[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

OT -

In case anybody's interested, I've posted videos, photos, and some commentary about the Holocaust in the Holy Land events over the past week. I'm working on getting more multimedia up too.

[Link: concernedUCIstudent.blogspot.com...]

Oh #13, if that is true, I will ask the Mom's group here to send all our Gitmo Guys and Dolls pizza and cold beer! Yeah for our side.

I wish the guards had used live ammo to put down the uprising. As was said, we're at war with those guys and there's no need to handicap ourselves - or expose our side to risk - by using less force than is optimal.

And by the way, faked suicide or not, why should we have our guards intervene? If the crazies want to off themselves, why not let them?

The fight ended only after guards blasted detainees five times with a 12 gauge shotgun shooting rubber balls and used a grenade launcher that shot a blunt rubber object, officials said.

Oh bullshit.

No "official" ever said they "blasted" detainees with shotguns shooting "rubber balls" or that a grenade launcher shot a blunt rubber "object".

Reuters is fiction, "ripped from the headlines".

This riot sums up in miniature the entire battle between the West and the Jihadis. They use all of their might, every dirty trick imaginable, to inflict maximum damage and massacre everyone in sight. We, in contrast, use an absurd amount of restraint, and withhold even the hint of using real force. They tried to saw off guards' heads with fan blades, we fire rubber pellets. And then, of course, the Left will step in and decry us for "oppressing" them.

I am completely sick of this. Every one of those prisoners should be tried and convicted of attempted murder, and sentenced to life without parole in Supermax Prison in Florence, Colorado. Period..

And that's being nice. In most other countries in the world, the guards rightfully would have immediately killed all the prisoners who rioted. I can't say I would have shed a tear if that had happened in this instance.

Any one notice...the numbers are going down in Gitmo?

And yet the UN and EU still insist that we shut down Club G'itmo because we are being mean to the unlawful combatants we captured on the field of battle.

Are we slowly closing Gitmo down?

In Washington, DC, the eighth-largest radio market, Air America affiliate WWRC-AM failed to generate any measurable audience figures.

Are we sending them back to their own countries, so they can get some real punishment?

In Washington, DC, the eighth-largest radio market, Air America affiliate WWRC-AM failed to generate any measurable audience figures.

#21 neo

unlawful combatants we captured on the field of battle.

Did we forget? The were "freedom fighters".

/sarc & spit

Nice, crispy bacon

"The detainees are treated so deplorably that they would rather die than suffer any further absue at the hands of the US Military."

MSM,UN,KOS, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, John Murtha etal.

Just another opportunity for the Hate America First crowd.

“The detainees had slickened the floor of their block with feces, urine and soapy water..."

Made it seem more like home...

maybe launchers slung under m14-46s?

i'm wondering if the jihadis are worked up about being shipped home so we can close the place. maybe - they're pissed the vacation is over.

wish i knew more about it
also wish my shift key worked tonight.

#21 Neo - But of course, monsieur - we're being so mean and nasty to them they had to riot, they just couldn't take our mean treatment of them.
/do I really need this?

#22 winter_ridge - "In Washington, DC, the eighth-largest radio market, Air America affiliate WWRC-AM failed to generate any measurable audience figures." ROTFLMAO!

Also, no more Korans. Why are we coddling them with this death cult book? The Koran is a recipe book for world conquest and domination. There is no reason why it should be allowed in a jihadi detention center.

Agreed. No more mister nice guy.

...a grenade launcher that shot a blunt rubber object.

Must have been the dreaded dildo gun of humiliation. Too bad they didn't use a flamethrower.

JWM

#19- Zombie: "WHAT YOU SAID!"

And, not to put too fine a point on it, even with all the restraint, WE WIN!

dreaded dildo gun of humiliation

LOL. And Gitmo should be staffed with all chick soldiers, just to fuck with the jihadis' fragile egos.

But Zombie. We used grenade launchers.

GRENADE LAUNCHERS!

Right, realwest?

GRENADE LAUNCHERS!

#4 Noam Sayin' 5/19/2006 05:24PM PDT
Um... grenade launchers?

I do not have a link for it but I read some where that one of the new non-lethal weapons was a high tech beanbag thrower. It is a will known fact that the MSM does not know one weapon from another, so this is probably a misidentification on their part. Leave it to the MSM to think that a grenade launcher could be used for close quarters fighting. (Now wouldn’t that be fun?!)

...a grenade launcher that shot a blunt rubber object.

I think this is it...

No.

#35 Da_BeerFreak

Ex-actly!

Earth2moonbat

LOL!

I hope the Guards went in hard to this scum.

Club ‘em like little fluffy Canadian seals.

Add on to my #35
M1006 Sponge Round
The 40-millimeter sponge round delivers a strong, stunning blow to a threat's body without penetrating it.

#35

I wouldn't be suprised to hear that riot-control beanbag rounds are actually available for standard grenade launchers (don't know).

I do know that standard shotgun shells that contain a small beanbag for riot control are readily available and are used all the time:

[Link: www.securityandsafetysupply.com...]

The advantage of shotguns is you can load these up with whatever round is necessary for the level of force you need, from rubber bullets, to beanbag rounds, to small or large buckshot, all the way up to slugs, or even more exotic rounds (flechettes, tracers, bolos, incendiaries, the sky is the limit).

I have to concur with Zombie here. These prisoners are lucky they aren't pushing up daisies after that stunt, and inevitably the US will get punished for its restraint.

our biggest prolem is being to soft.

We were way to soft in Iraq, and now we reap the benefits with a long war

is Kos 0 for 16, or 0 for 17? It's so hard to keep track of all the failed endorsements of the Kossacks."

#34 Noam Sayin' - Sorry I'm late getting back to ya, but I was searching for the FNDT!
You're absolutely correct we used GRENADE LAUNCHERS!
Course, if we'd used the grenades intended for use in them, we'd have blown up the guards, too!

Whle #35 Da_Beerfreak could be right, I seem to recall videos from a few years back when I think the Brits or Germans used what looked like the ole
M-79 Grenade Launcher to shoot rubber Bullets, but as Da_Beerfreak said, you can't count on the Ancient Media to correctly identify any weapons, 'cept maybe the AK-47!

#43 winter_ridge IIRC, Kos is 0-23. Saw it on one of Charles posts after the November 04 elections.

You yanks should have hosed them down with high pressure pig manure. Make them sleep in it for a few weeks.

When did the Yanks become such multi-culti pussies?

(Just joking, here...)

Perhaps my sarcasm is a little too thick, realwest. I was trying to point out the over-reaction to the weapon used.

Ya just know someone's going to pick that up over the weekend. Russert, I'm looking in your direction...

I can see Boxer chiming in, too. Reid already made his presence known with the 'racist legislation.'

Did you say something about a drinking thread? I got a Newcastle with your name on it.

When I first heard the story, I commented out loud that the riot was probably an ambush meant for the guards.

How right I was. (Easy enough to say after the fact, I know.)

The next LLL whiner who shows up at Gitmo (which automatically includes anyone from the UN or AI) should get a close personal experience of what it's like. Then, after the spying charges are dropped, kick him out the main gate into the Atlantic, sans clothing. Let the world know that the next time, there won't be a trial.

For a minute there, I thought Charles was listening to a Cheech Marin album.

Looking Closely

Through 3rd quarter of FY 98 this item cost approximately $55 per round. After 3rd quarter FY 98, prices decreased to $25 per round, based on larger quantity purchasing for contingency stock.

Phuque That Shiite!

Ball is only about $0.10 a round.

Hooray for our Soldiers guarding the jihadis at Club Gitmo! God bless them! As for the crazed jihadis - may bacon grease be upon them!

#46 whiterasta

You yanks should have hosed them down with high pressure pig manure. Make them sleep in it for a few weeks.

LOL I wish!

When did the Yanks become such multi-culti pussies?

LOL again. That's a long, sad story... We have to play "we're better than they are, we mustn't stoop to their level" with fucking barbarians. We're already "better" than they are, and shooting them down like the rabid dogs they are would in no way be "stooping". It would just be logical. However, we haven't yet reached the point of societal outrage when the gloves come off, so...

(Just joking, here...)

I know you're saying that to not rile any feelings but the truth of the matter is that a substantial proportion of our population really are "multi-culti pussies", and proud of it. Some days I literally want to stomp them into the ground, and I am amazed at how zombie and DC lizardoids like Occasional Reader control themselves so well.

#50 PETN

Yeah, I saw that. . .

$55 each for baton rounds seems pretty expensive, but I bet if we took up a collection here at LGF, we could raise enough money to make a difference.

Maybe via economy of scale we could drive the prices down to only $20 a pop, cause the more of these get used the cheaper they get!

An idle thought:
The asymmetrical nature of the “war on terror” evokes despair on those who think the terrorists have an edge; that because they “love death” and are willing to engage in acts beyond any civilized notion of decency they are unstoppable. I suspect however that the jihadists can be threatened and that their actions are motivated by earthly concerns that they are not willing to risk. They have as much announced this with their rabid indignation at imaginary slights. The opera bouffe of the Danish cartoons, the horrifying evil of honor killings, and the silly machismo of the Hamas ski team all suggest the simple truth.

The same quirk in the Islamic psyche that terrorist recruiters play upon to inspire martyrs is the same one that we should use to dissuade them: humiliation. You can’t get much more symmetrical than that. If you doubt the role humiliation plays in recruiting terrorists, and the role it plays in the terrorist fantasy, Google [Islam humiliation], [“Ayman al-Zawahiri” humiliation or [“Muhammad Atta” humiliation]. Ask yourself if you really believe that the Abu Ghraib photos caused people to take up arms in Iraq, or instead made them think twice about doing so, if they thought they’d end up naked on a leash held by an infidel female. Either way, humiliation is seen for the powerful motivating force it is. If one can appeal to aversion to humiliation to convince people to kill themselves, a similar appeal can dissuade them.

Also consider this: the Geneva Conventions, the rules of war, recognize the legitimacy of shooting, bombing, bayoneting and drowning enemy soldiers. You can kill them and maim them, but the fourth Geneva Convention outlaws humiliating and degrading treatment of prisoners.

Part of the appeal of jihad is the fantasy of superiority: demanding that majority non-Muslims accommodate immigrant Muslim demands; that infidels pay jizya; that Muslim women not marry non-Muslim men. This myth of superiority evaporates in the face of ridicule, which is the real lesson of the Koran flushing riots, the Danish cartoon riots, and the ridiculous episode involving the plaster teapot. Start humiliating jihadis and you threaten the psychological basis of their cause. This is why al Qaeda apologists were so quick to defend Zarqawi’s fumbling with the machine gun.

The point here is not to advocate that we begin televised lingerie reviews from Guantanamo or reprise the Abu Ghraib escapades. It is merely to suggest that there is something that “Martyrs” care about more than death, and that maybe asymmetrical warfare isn’t as asymmetrical as they want us to think.

i was an mp in similar situations...

minimal force was reported as used to calm the situation. and i am quite sure it was, but there must have been 'pockets' of resistance.

so...perhaps after they were subdued there may have been some 'slipping on black ice' ' 'falling against immovable objects' , and otherwise tap-dancing on their upper torso by a few sets of highly polished jump boots...just sayin'...people fall all the time, or walk into a pr-24 night stick...

i'll quit now before i give up all the secrets.

I knew terrorists are full of shit... but little did I know that in the hands of an seasoned and skillfully trained Jihadi that le ca ca could become (Baw ha ha ha ha...) an incideous trap to destroy "the enemy".

Those who live in Gitmo cells
made a trap that was brown and smelled.
The best offensive they could invent
was a slippery slide made of excrement.
But Allah was absent that faithless day
so the murderous plan went seriously astray,
and when it was all said and done
they just got their asses kicked one on one.

;op

the left wing Dnc media didn't reprot it that way.

hijack hell...the Saudis probably relayed the plan to them through some 'Muslim chaplain'.

Why does the media give these guys an outlet?

Some inmates cause a small incident, and the media headlines it as a

"battle", "clash", "intense outbreak".

Sorry, a four to five minute disruption is not a battle, and

"Six prisoners were treated for "minor injuries" and none of the U.S. guards was seriously hurt"

is not an "intense outbreak".

This should not be reported in this manner.

I can uderstand some sensationalism in the name of the dollar, but at some point, the media needs to quit being a cheerleader and spirit squad for the goddamn enemy.