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Sat, May 20, 2006 at 8:34:59 am PDT

Despite relentless governmental attempts to promote tolerance and multiculturalism, a new study shows that an overwhelming majority of Germans mistrust Muslims and Islam. (Hat tip: LGF readers.)

Experts fear new conflicts after a study published this week showed most Germans doubt the Western and Islamic worlds can peacefully coexist. Mistrust of the 3 million Muslims living in Germany appears to be growing.

In spite of official attempts to promote dialog among religions, distrust of Islam continues to grow, with 60 percent of Germans expecting tension between traditional German society and immigrants from Muslim countries, according to an Allensbach study commissioned by the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper.
 
“Germans are increasingly of the opinion that a lasting, peaceful coexistence with the Islamic world will not be possible,” the researchers said in the survey, released Wednesday.
 
Some 56 percent of Germans said they believed a “clash of cultures” already exists, partly a result of recent incidents that received a large amount of media attention, according to the survey’s authors Elisabeth Noelle and Thomas Petersen.
 
The case of a Berlin “honor killing,” a quarrel over two Bonn students who wore burkas to school and discussions concerning increasing schoolyard violence among immigrant children have all made headlines in the German press recently.
 
“In view of the diffuse feeling of being under threat, and the suspected intolerance of Islam, the readiness of Germans to show tolerance to the Muslim faith is sinking,” Noelle and Petersen wrote.

More details at Expatica: Germans negative on Islam, poll shows.

Asked if they though Christianity and Islamic could co-exist peacefully, 61 per cent of those surveyed said they believed there would always be “major conflicts” between both faiths.

Some 91 per cent said they associated Islam with oppression of women, up from 85 per cent in 2004.

The statement that Islam was dominated by fanaticism was shared by 83 per cent, compared to 75 per cent two years ago, the poll showed.

A total of 71 per cent said Islam was intolerant, up from 66 per cent in 2004.

Asked if there should be a ban on the building of mosques in Germany as long as the building of churches in some Islamic states is forbidden, 56 per cent agreed, said the poll.

There is even considerable backing for ending Germany’s constitutional right of freedom of religion with regard to Islam, the poll showed.

Asked if strict limits should be imposed on the practice of Islam in Germany to protect the country, 40 per cent said they would support such moves.

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1 Carvin Guitar Man  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:38:37am

You mean they didn't slant the poll?

2 Bordm  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:38:40am

As Germany slowly awakens to notice the elephant in the living room.

3 marjin  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:39:13am

Perhaps there is still hope.

4 My 2 Cents  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:40:34am

How ironic that we can now look forward to Germans being on the side of good... of course, they have never thought too highly of Jews either, so maybe one had not set one's hopes too high...

5 Fjordman  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:40:40am

This poll, from the largest country on the European Continent, is an indication that talk about Europe already being finished might be premature.

6 trigger girlie  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:40:45am

I am shocked, I tell ya...NOT!

While there are people who openly criticise Islam and get called "racist", "xenophobic", "nazi", etc, there are people who just keep it in unless you anonymously ask them for a poll or something like that.

7 Luigi  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:40:52am

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

Jihadwatch reminds us only 19% of Americans have a favorable view of Islam.

8 Daybrother  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:41:13am

OT:
Check this out from UPI press:
"Hamas leader with money detained by Fatah
RAFAH, Gaza, May 20 (UPI) -- A top Hamas official was stopped at a Gaza-Egypt border crossing and hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash hidden on him was confiscated.

Members of Hamas' new security force sped to the border crossing as word spread about Sami Abu Zuhri's detention and the $842,000 hidden in his clothes, the London Telegraph reports.

Border guards with allegiance to Palestinian Authority and Fatah Party member President Mahmoud Abbas detained Zuhri and took the money.

Hamas officials want to make sure the money goes to the Interior Ministry, which is controlled by Hamas.

The origin of the money isn't known but is suspected to be part of a donation from Qatar.

The Palestinian economy has been stalled since the election five months ago when the United States, United Nations, Europe and Israel began withholding money.

They accuse Hamas of being a terrorist organization and want it to renounce violence and officially recognize Israel before relations are normalized and aid is turned back on."


Heheheheh

9 m  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:42:20am
Some 91 per cent said they associated Islam with oppression of women, up from 85 per cent in 2004.

Okay, what the hell is wrong with the other 9%? I guess they feel the oppression is for the woman's own good.

I know. I should be happy that 9 out of 10 get it.

10 Fjordman  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:42:28am
How ironic that we can now look forward to Germans being on the side of good.

It will be confusing for Germans if we encourage them to invade France, for the sake of Europe as a whole...

11 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:43:21am
Asked if strict limits should be imposed on the practice of Islam in Germany to protect the country, 40 per cent said they would support such moves.


I'd hate to it come to that but it's an idea worth exploring.

12 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:44:01am

Maybe they're just jealous that Iran is stealing their yellow star idea without paying them a royalty...

13 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:44:58am

#9 m
Just a guess but I'd bet that roughly 9% of the population surveyed is muslim.

14 DesertSage  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:45:01am

Despite 30 years of multiculturalism shoved down their throats, the Germans aren't buying into the Muslims Bullshit!
Good for them.

15 ex-dem  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:45:19am

I'm sure the MSM in the U.S. will ignore this. However, the next few elections in Europe may be harder for them to ignore.

16 Millie Woods  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:48:23am

How can anyone have a positive view of Islam? All over the world not just in the West Islamics create destruction and conflict - in the Indian subcontinent, in the former Soviet Asian republics, in Thailand, in the Philippines, Nigeria and other African countries - you name the country and there they are with their beheadings, honour killings etc. etc. And when the Islamics run out of infidels to murder they start on one another. So the qurestion remains how can anyoone have a positive attitude to Islamics?

17 Ringo the Gringo  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:50:31am
18 grayp  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:51:10am

"The Whore Lived Like a German"

In the past four months, six Muslim women living in Berlin have been brutally murdered by family members. Their crime? Trying to break free and live Western lifestyles. Within their communities, the killers are revered as heroes for preserving their family dignity. How can such a horrific and shockingly archaic practice be flourishing in the heart of Europe? The deaths have sparked momentary outrage, but will they change the grim reality for Muslim women?


---

This is a big reason why Germans are becomeing increasingly disturbed. But I'm afraid that a consequence MAY be a feeling of empowerment on the part of the skinheads.

The recent shooting in Antwerp of two foreign-born women - apparently both Muslim as they were covered and a toddler by an 18-year old boy whose family is affiliated with the anti-immigration Vlaams Belang party is being blamed not on this young man's mental disturbance but on the influence of his family.

Europe, it seems to me is caught between a rock and a hard place. On the whole, it does indeed disdain its Muslim immigrants, but addressing the problems in terms that are firm and unambiguous in the protection of their own culture causes such psychological dissonance they are really paralyzed.

Now, add this disgrace - a complete failure of the German justice system to protect its citizens:

Shock in Berlin as suspected rapists freed

BERLIN - Four youths suspected of gang-raping a 16-year-old schoolgirl in a Berlin park last week have been released after briefly being detained by police in a move which has fuelled anger in the German capital.


[]

The normally well-informed Bild tabloid said the suspects were two German-Turks, a German Russian and a German-Angolan.


[]

Berlin justice Senator Karin Schubert insists, however, that even youths suspected of violent crimes can only be kept locked up if there is danger they will flee justice.
A commentary in the newspaper Die Welt termed the move "shocking" and asked: "What about protecting the victim? What about overall security?"

I think that there is a significant disconnect developing between the ordinary citizens and the elites that populate the various branches of their gov'ts. And I know at least one poster here who is an American expact in Germany who thinks civil war is not unthinkable.

19 EE  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:52:13am

The free world needs to start becoming familiar with the extent of the terrorism around the world that is affiliated with the califascist movement, the movement to establish a totalitarian mullah-based islamic empire -- a khalifa -- that would be the base for militarily conquering the world for islamofascism.

Despite decades of propaganda by the elites in favor of the dream of a Eurabian utopia, which requires the importing of high-birthrate Muslims to support the bankrupt pension system, there are some in Europe, including some in Germany, who are beginning to have their doubts about this promised utopia.

20 m  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:53:33am

#13 Killgore Trout

Just a guess but I'd bet that roughly 9% of the population surveyed is muslim.

Yeah, I know. But they should know better than anyone!

21 Luigi  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:55:52am

[Link: news.google.com...]

NOBODY carried this story. Why? These facts are politically incorrect. These facts might encourage people to have impure thoughts.

The real problem here is not Islam. That's been around for hundreds of years. We can deal with that if we want to. And we can have okay relations with Islam if we deal with it. The real problem is Western liberal guilt which does not allow the West to do what it does best -- THINK!

22 storagemanager  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:57:19am

Iranian foreign minister: Iran won't end enrichment in any case

Iran's foreign minister rejected on Saturday the latest idea being floated to resolve his country's standoff with the international community saying that Tehran would not give up uranium enrichment even if its file is withdrawn from the UN Security Council.


Manouchehr Mottaki told journalists here that Iran supports suspending the talks in the council, but "suspending nuclear activities goes against our legitimate rights and is not part of the NPT (Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty)." (AP)
YOU WILL FALL HAMAN...Whom hast thou reproaced and blasphemed? and against whom hast thou exalted thy voice, and lifted up thine eyes on high? even against the HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL...just to remind islam who they are fighting...

23 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:58:52am

#18 grayp

But I'm afraid that a consequence MAY be a feeling of empowerment on the part of the skinheads.


great post, food for thought. There are "allies" in the struggle against Islamism that are more of a liability than anything else. "My foe's enemy is my friend" is not a motto we should follow.

24 Maine's Michael  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:59:47am

annother ten years and the germans and others may be deporting muslims who so much as sneeze in the wrong place, if not en masse.

that may coincide with the period the islamic gencodial weapon known as the 'palestinians' finally overplays its hand by even the most idiotic LLL israeli and european's perspective.

Trasfer or some elon plan variant may finally have a chance.

while the above is conjecture, it is certain that things will get worse before they get better.

25 zombie  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:59:53am

I think your intro is off, Charles:

Despite relentless governmental attempts to promote tolerance and multiculturalism

How about, "to promote dhimmitude and multiculturalism...".

26 Josiah Stevenson  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:02:51am
Some 91 per cent said they associated Islam with oppression of women, up from 85 per cent in 2004.

Okay, what the hell is wrong with the other 9%? I guess they feel the oppression is for the woman's own good.

I know. I should be happy that 9 out of 10 get it.


i think the 9% are the [bigoted word]s themselves...

27 Andy in Agoura Hills  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:06:20am

There is a problem with this poll. The Germans, also participated in an EU poll which declared that Israel is the most dangerous threat to world peace. So, the issue is not Islam per se, its any religion. The secular EU hates any religion, therefore I think this poll is not that significant.

28 grayp  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:06:55am

#21 Luigi

I clicked on your link but just got a page of google links. What is it you want us to read?

29 BabbaZee  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:08:00am

Well, let's think this out:

incessant beheadings
snuff films of incessant beheadings
never-ending suicide bombings
using babies and children as shields
the flying planes into packed office buildings thing
the dressing up children as human bombs thing
the honor killing thing
the clitorectomy thing
the constant shrieking tire burning and rioting thang
the daily vile invectives and hate speech jammalamma
the daily threats of death and annihilation to all infidels
the enormous hatred for all things right and good and holy...
the destruction of anything put in their path thing
the issuing of the da'wa...
the endless ALLAH ACKBARS


Anyone who is NOT "negative" on Islam
is blind, deaf and fucking dumb, no poll required, thank you very much.

Islam is as Islam does.

WTF do they expect?
If I knew you were coming I'd-a baked a cake?
Come right in, sit right down, daddy let you mind roll on?

I am sick of their TAQIYYA
and sick of their KITMAN
[Link: www.ci-ce-ct.com...]

I am sick of their black hoods and their mullahs and thier imams and their never ending transparent frikkin commie sponsored propaganda ops.


I dont need no stinkin' poll.

DRINK!

30 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:08:21am

This just shows how bigoted the west is about Islam.

That westerners think this way means one thing : they need to be taught a lesson!

Time for the Muhajadin to smite the westerner where he stands - the westerner will then cower and surrender his bigotry to the one true faith!

Then the westerner will know the Religion Of Peace and will see that the Muslim is a moderate, modern, enlightened and peace loving person! If the westerner doesn't see this then he must die!

31 kepiblanc  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:08:26am

The Danish polling company 'Rambøll Management' today has a very extensive poll among Muslims. Asked whether they think the Qu'ran should be obeyed by the letter and be the foundation for the Danish nation 62.4% answered 'yes'.

[Link: www.jp.dk...]

32 Da_Beerfreak  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:09:04am

Before you give up on Europe check this guy out.

Dinosaur in the Age of Mammals
By Wolfgang Bruno

… Besides oil, the only thing Islam has going for it is extremely high birth rates. This can be seen as an advantage as long as Muslims are allowed to dump this excess population in non-Muslim countries and dominate these through demographic jihad. If the non-Muslims should decide to curb Muslim immigration, even the high birth rates would turn into a curse. …

33 grayp  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:11:15am

#27 Andy

The secular EU hates any religion, therefore I think this poll is not that significant.

Well, let's go over a few nuances, shall we?

The 'Israel greatest threat to world peace' poll you are referring to was EU-wide and if memory serves the U.S. came in second.

The poll that is the subject of this thread had only Germany as its scope and asked a completely different question: opinion of Islam.

I'm not saying your premise that the population of the EU is in general hostile to religion is wrong, I just don't think there is any evidence that it played a role in either of these polls.

34 pat  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:16:26am

“In view of the diffuse feeling of being under threat, and the suspected intolerance"

Such intolerance on the part of Germans,not to tolerate the intolerant Muslims. Harry Reid would decry this as racist.

35 Ringo the Gringo  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:17:07am

29 BabaZee,

Nice one.

36 Maine's Michael  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:17:08am

On the otehr hand, unless the europeans start havong babies, something their self centered ethos is not really pushing, they will need to import tens of millions of people just to have a tax base and esnure there are caregivers to wipe the aging euro's asses in their dottage.

europe is fucked. many top real estate agents think euro flight is at the bottom of the real esate boom in the american sun and mountain belt . . .

37 Fjordman  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:17:09am

#32: That blog has a couple of other essays about this, too:

Defeating Defeatism - The End of the Phony War

The Clash of Fascisms

38 grayp  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:17:51am

#31 kepiblanc
Good Lord! Isn't that the same newspaper that printed the cartoons? They just won't quite, will they?

HA!

De_beerfreak

Thanks for that link. Never ran across this guy before. Now bookmarked.

Gotta run. BBL

39 BabbaZee  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:18:19am

Ringo, I'm a touch PO'ed right now... LOL!

40 calcajun  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:21:09am

Okay, the Germans have a proven record with mass deportations. They have a solid rail system. Get the trains running south and boot out the lot.

There's a real easy way to look at this. If you move to another country and adopt its ways, philosophy and customs, while honoring your heritage, you are an immigrant. If you move to a country, refuse to adopt to its system, get the right to vote and have all your like-minded ex-patriates vote to change the system to something more your liking and impose your views, culture and philosopy on your adopted country, you are an invader.

Here's hoping the Europeans, and the US, realize the difference - soon.

41 boogberg  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:23:34am
#27 Andy in Agoura Hills

There is a problem with this poll. The Germans, also participated in an EU poll which declared that Israel is the most dangerous threat to world peace. So, the issue is not Islam per se, its any religion. The secular EU hates any religion, therefore I think this poll is not that significant.

I don't consider Israel to be a religion based state. This poll addressed a particular religion.

42 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:25:36am

I have to admit being apprehensive about going back to Germany to visit. A friend of my cousin's was stabbed to death by Turks a couple of years ago (and this wasn't in some urban Muslim enclave, this is country villages we're talking about - probably the first murder in the region in decades, not counting the war), and even back then the locals were giving me crap about the possibility of "our" war in Iraq. I don't know how welcome I'll be if I go back. God help any of them if they try to fight with me about it, because I'm not going to roll over and play Guilty American.

Security is a different issue. Given the likely mentality and tactics of any roving band of Muslims who would hypothetically want to punish me for being from the Great Satan, and in light of the fact that I can't carry a handgun over there, I'd likely be killed.

Wake up, Europe, before it's too late.

43 storagemanager  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:28:27am

james answers why i can not leave the bible out of the fight:if any lack wisdom,let him ask of GOD,that giveth to all men liberally,and upbraideth not;and it shall be given him...But let him ask in FAITH,NOTHING wavering.For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed...for let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord...A double minded man is unstable in all his ways...GOD gave me lips so i may speak.

44 Amos (Zionist Minion)  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:29:21am

#20 m,

Yeah, I know. But they should know better than anyone!

Thing is, for some unknown reason, only muslim men talked to the pollsters!

45 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:29:34am

#40 calcajun

the Germans have a proven record with mass deportations.


yes, they do. Maybe they could start by making the muslims wear a color coded badge first. It would make the process more efficient.

get the right to vote and have all your like-minded ex-patriates vote to change the system to something more your liking and impose your views, culture and philosopy on your adopted country, you are an invader.


Perhaps a dissolving of the democratic insitutions would be a good idea, replaced by some kind of permanent leader.
/Shirley, you're kidding me.

46 Render  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:30:25am

I've been telling people for two decades that the Lords Resistence Army isn't the Lords, isn't resisting, and isn't an army.

LOAD
BEARING,
R

47 Canadastani  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:32:42am
In spite of official attempts to promote dialog MONOLOGUE among religions

There is no dialogue acceptable in Western societies on this issue. Islam means "peace", Christians started this whole conflict (if there is one) with the Crusades, people who question this are racist nativists. Any questions? Alternative points of view? Keep them to yourselves.

48 flipflop  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:34:30am

#42 pawn of the oppressor

I wouldn't worry about visiting Germany. I go there all the time (made three or four trips there just last year), and I've never had a problem. Even in Berlin and Frankfurt.

49 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:36:25am

OT

I don't like using google, but what other site offers a comphrensive search?

I've been trying to find info on the cliff sculptures of Buddha at Bamian that were detroyed by the taliban. Very hard to find more than one webpage about this. Which shouldn't surprise me because you have to search long and hard to find anything about muslims on the 'negative' side.

Any help?
I'm trying to find things that the 'religion of peace' have done to combat this belief by some.

50 boogberg  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:37:06am

O/T

I just heard on FOX that the MSA at UCI will be investigated by some Government agency (didn't catch which one) for anti-semitism. Doh!

51 flipflop  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:37:47am

#49 newsjunkie_ky

Try "bamyan" instead.

52 Fjordman  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:38:12am

A Norwegian journalist asked me last year why Fjordman was writing under a pseudonym. I told him that democracy in Europe was under greater threat from Islam now than it was from Nazism during the late 1930s, and that I would be in physical danger if I used my real name. He didn't believe them then. Maybe he does now...

53 BabbaZee  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:38:13am

#49 newsjunkie_ky
[Link: www.thereligionofpeace.com...]

54 Sir Lurksalot  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:38:52am
no one who speaks german could be bad

//homer

55 BabbaZee  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:38:53am

BTW ~
GOD BLESS YOU, FJORDMAN

56 Sil  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:40:08am

From Da_Beerfreak's link in #32:

Islam is the Tyrannosaurus Rex of the 21st century. Once king and feared by all, now sidelined by smarter and faster-adapting creatures in a world it no longer understands.

That sums it up nicely. Thanks for the link - great reading!

57 Beagle  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:40:32am

#18 grayp

The more the government ignores the problems, covers up immigrant crime statistics, the more skinheads will pop up and take the law into their own hands. Immigrants need to ask themselves "Why do the skinheads hate us?"

Not really, but skinhead reaction is one forseeable (regrettable) result of EUropean governments failing to protect native Europeans while piling special privileges and protections on the new immigrants.

58 westoner  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:41:39am

And these figures are only ever going to go up with every report of a bombing, gang rape, “honour” killing, or riot.

The politicians and media in Germany and the rest of Europe will have to resort to ever more desperate measures to sanitize islam. More propaganda puff pieces, more historical whitewashes and fabrications, and more, ever blander news reporting, where all mention of the words "islam", "terrorist", and "muslim" have been avoided.

But even this won’t work, thanks to the internet and to the increasing numbers of Europeans with personal experience of the reality of islam, not the bullshit lies of the political and cultural elites.

59 Geepers  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:42:59am

This is just MORE PROOF that the EUropeons are all dhimmis and EUrabia is DOOMED! ! ! !

60 pat  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:45:04am

OT

Wonkette hosts a crude racist attack on Michelle Malkin. One wonders why racism seems to squirt out of liberals mouths like pus from an infection.

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

61 quark2  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:45:26am

@49 newsjunky_ky

Here you Go

62 Carolyn  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:46:37am

OT- (sorry since there is no open thread and I'm about to go shopping)
About our border...


A lady wrote the best letter I have seen in the Editorials in ages!. It
explains things better than all the stuff you hear on TV.


"Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country
protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal
immigration. Certain people are angry that the U.S. might protect its own
borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country

and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand
the thinking behind these protests.


Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in
your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and
washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all
the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for
when I broke into your house)."


According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must add me
to your family's insurance plan and provide other benefits to me and to my
family (my husband will do your yard work because he too is hard-working and
honest, (except for that breaking in part). If you try to call the police
or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket

your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there-and accuse you
of being a racist.

It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm
just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest ... um, except
for ... well, you know.


And what a deal it is for me! I live in your house, contributing only a
fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it
without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being anti-housebreaker.

Did I miss anything? Does this sound reasonable to you? If it does, grab a
sign and go picket something. If this sounds insane to you, call your
senators and representatives and enlighten them because they are stumbling
in the darkness right now and really need your help."

63 Kohenan The Barbarian  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:46:59am

So the Germans are negative on Muslims! --is this because these transplanted wanabe "Islamic" Nazis are soiling their Tutonic pride of doing things with unparalelled efficiency?

64 storagemanager  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:48:48am

The IAF fired missiles at a car in Gaza City on Saturday, killing Islamic Jihad's most senior member in the coastal area and a woman who was in the car behind him, Palestinian officials and relatives said.

The IAF confirmed the strike, but did not comment on the identity of the targets, Israel Radio said.

Initially, Palestinian hospital officials said the two dead were Hamas operatives, but later the group denied their members had been killed.

Relatives of Mohammed Dadouh, 40, described by Gazans as Islamic Jihad's most senior military commander, confirmed he had been targeted and killed in the air strike.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

65 quark2  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:49:00am

Is storagemanager really Camel Prophet?

66 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:50:03am

#31 kepiblank

The Danish polling company 'Rambøll Management' today has a very extensive poll among Muslims. Asked whether they think the Qu'ran should be obeyed by the letter and be the foundation for the Danish nation 62.4% answered 'yes'.

In a religion that teaches death to apostasy, and that straying off the Islamic reservation can get you killed, It is heartening to see that 37.6% of the Muslims polled would rather not obey the Qu'ran to the letter.
When you couple that percentage with the likelihood (I am only surmising) that only males participated, that's not exactly a bad thing.
Not great, but not bad.

67 Beagle  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:50:18am

#59 Geepers

If the numbers are like this all over Europe, the EU is going to need some VERY LARGE PRISONS!

I think Fjordman was right. This thing is coming to a head sooner, not later. Which is a good thing if you've got money on western civilization.

68 luigi  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:50:23am

#28 grayp

I found that GoogleNews reveals that no major MSM is carrying this story.

69 flipflop  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:50:47am

#63 kohenan the barbarian

...is this because these transplanted wanabe "Islamic" Nazis are soiling their Tutonic pride of doing things with unparalelled efficiency?

That's debatable, if you measure efficiency in terms of number of "friendlies" killed per 100 or so intended victims.

70 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:53:28am

The best news I've heard all week...
Dr. Al-Arian suffers under deplorable prison conditions

For the time being, once again Al-Arian is being held in solitary confinement, something he's already faced for three-and-a-half years. But violent, hardened criminals are given more rights and treated more humanely than Al-Arian, say his supporters who add that he is clearly being sub jected to especially harsh conditions because of his political beliefs, ethnicity and religion.

As he has no watches or clocks, Al-Arian reportedly feels disoriented and cannot properly carry out the five daily Muslim prayers. He was only able to leave his cell twice in one week for one hour each; the law states that inmates in solitary confinement must be given one hour a day. He was allowed only one phone call with his family, exactly a week after he was moved. His family was extremely worried and distraught when they did not hear from him for a week. Moreover, Al-Arian was not able to contact his attorneys, nor were they able to reach him to discuss pressing legalissues with deadlines that passed during the week he was deprived from communication.


A-boo-hoo-hoo

71 mich-again  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:53:52am

I think that CAIR needs to set up an affiliate in Germany to distribute lies and propaganda information about how Islam really means peace and Jihad really means self-improvement.

I propose, of course, the acronym CIGAR. Council to Improve German and Arab Relations. The imagery is perfect. A stinky, smoke generating, turd-like object that repels women.

72 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:54:44am

I've never been drunk in Germany (Yurp wasn't where I was at in the '80s), but I have quaffed home made German style beer, and ate a most delicious bar snack, a hard boiled egg wrapped in bacon, coated with bread crumbs and deep fried, in Fredericksburg, TX, after a day hiking on Enchanted Rock.

BTW, the Germans who came to Texas in the 1800s were pacifists, motivated in part by a desire to escape the increasing level of conflict in Germany.

IIRC, near Comfort, TX there is a monument, erected after the war, to a group of German men caught and executed by the CSA Army as they tried to escape to Mexico to avoid service, as not only where they pacifist, they opposed slavery.

73 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:55:58am

Quark2, BabbaZee, and flipflop:

Thanks.

74 storagemanager  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:56:33am

#65:Is storagemanager really Camel Prophet?...no!...just a christian nutjob who loves GOD.lol

75 Geepers  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:56:55am

Beagle (#67),

I think Fjordman was right. This thing is coming to a head sooner, not later.

And I'm pushing all for it.

76 deadman  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:00:03am

ha ha got another!
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

The IAF fired missiles at a car in Gaza City on Saturday, killing Islamic Jihad's most senior member in the coastal area and a woman who was in the car behind him, Palestinian officials and relatives said.

77 hans ze beeman  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:00:48am

#68: luigi

The Frankfurter Allgemeine (in German), a more Conservative paper, carried the story some days ago. Apart from that, I haven't seen it elsewhere.

It appears people are growing aware of what Islam is all about.

78 Geepers  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:01:29am

mich-again (#71),

I propose, of course, the acronym CIGAR. Council to Improve German and Arab Relations. The imagery is perfect. A stinky, smoke generating, turd-like object that repels women.

Absolutely, perfect.

79 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:03:56am

OT but goes to the liberal attitude, "it's free speech only if the left is talking."

Sneering college students heckle McCain

[Link: www.azcentral.com...]

towards bottom of page.

or Rich Lowry blog:

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

liberal idiots: any speech but 'right' speech!

80 storagemanager  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:04:33am

some on this site want the bible out of the fight..sorry you dont see the danger of that...maybe this story will hit that point home...© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

A federal judge in Louisville, Kentucky, granted a temporary restraining order prohibiting a prayer from being said during graduation ceremonies at an area high school after a Muslim student on the planning committee objected and garnered the help of the American Civil Liberties Union.
Arshiya Saiyed, a senior at Russell County High School, said she was working on plans for the ceremony, scheduled for last night, with the senior panel when the issue came up, according to WHAS-TV in Louisville.

"Terms like Jesus Christ, heavenly father, I talked about the fact I was Muslim and the prayers in the past were offensive to me," the 17-year-old said.

81 pegcity  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:05:02am
The IAF fired missiles at a car in Gaza City on Saturday, killing Islamic Jihad's most senior member in the coastal area and a woman who was in the car behind him, Palestinian officials and relatives said.

what is that like the 10,000th most senior member to be killed.

How many most senior members do they have?

82 Geepers  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:05:09am

hans ze beeman (#77),

It appears people are growing aware of what Islam is all about.

And you were one of the first.

How goes it my German friend?

83 storagemanager  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:06:09am

muslims to america...its all abote me me me me me me me

84 Catttt  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:06:13am

#60 pat

Geez. That's disgusting.

If conservatives attacked in a similar way, the LLLs would freak out. Why is it ok to routinely try to demean Mrs. Malkin for her ethnicity? WHY? Why was it ok to demean Lt. Gov. Steele of Maryland with a racial slur?

To me, the true nature of the LLLs (coughfacistcough) is obvious in such disgusting moments. Little moments - yes - but they add up to a mountain of crap.

Of course, this will cruise under the national radar. The average person, who knows neither who Wonkette is nor who Michelle Malkin is, would be disgusted by this, if they noticed it. But they won't (notice it).

Related - did you all see Hot Air's "Teachers Gone Wild" from a couple of days ago? It's a goodie. Enjoy.

85 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:07:02am

The post-sixties, post-babyboom parents, post-PC generation will turn the tide - if there still is such a generation and if it isn't too late by then.

86 Sil  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:07:21am

Sort of OT - more Wolfgang Bruno goodness:

Creating the Online Infidel Library


I have advocated the idea of creating an organized network to promote Islam-critical books in cyberspace. Maybe a dozen or more blogs and websites could form the global backbone of this network, the cyberspace version of Radio Free Europe. This to make it more difficult for hackers to block the efforts, and to disseminate the books as much as possible. The websites should preferably be based in the USA, since it has the strongest protection of freedom of speech, or at least outside of the jurisdiction of the Eurabian Union. Start with those who are already in the business, for instance Jihad Watch, Faith Freedom International, Little Green Footballs, Michelle Malkin and others. These “backbone” websites should receive financial compensation for this task. Anybody, anywhere should be able to download the books or republish them at their own websites. This would bypass media censorship and create an Online Infidel Library. It would mirror the online library Google is trying to create now, but with books about Islam only. The information would spread around the planet faster than CAIR can say “Islamophobia”. The genie would be out of the bottle, and no amount of intimidation, hacker attacks or “hate speech” lawsuits could return it to the bottle.

87 mich-again  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:08:54am

78 Geepers

Thanks, but I have to admit, I do enjoy a big stinky cigar every once in a while.

A nice Julietta is perfect during a round of golf. That and half a dozen beers.

89 mich-again  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:10:53am

81 pegcity

How many most senior members do they have?

Good question. Same thing goes for the often-killed Al Qaeda's #3 in command.

90 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:11:12am

#18 grayp:

...But I'm afraid that a consequence MAY be a feeling of empowerment on the part of the skinheads.

The real neo-nazis of the anti-semitic and anti-American type have been the muslims best friends in some ways.

It's the sane, ordinary, working Europeans who start to see that islam (cough, spit) can't be trusted.

91 Geepers  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:12:50am

mich-again (#87),

Thanks, but I have to admit, I do enjoy a big stinky cigar every once in a while.

You and me both.

That and half a dozen beers, before lunch.

Fixed that for ya. ;-)

92 J.D.  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:15:36am

Filmgoers angered by 'WTC' clip
They're not impress.

93 hans ze beeman  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:17:23am

#82: Geepers

I'm fine, thanks, I hope you are too! (And I saw the lights due to you as well :)

A problem that has been mentioned before is that the extreme right might be strengthened by attitudes reflected in the poll:

Turkish-born politician attacked in Berlin

BERLIN, Germany (AP) -- A Turkish-born Berlin state politician was hospitalized after being hit on the head with a bottle by two men in an apparent anti-foreigner attack, police said Saturday.

Giyasettin Sayan, 56, was attacked in his district of Lichtenberg on Friday night by assailants who used an anti-Turkish epithet when they hit him. He was treated in hospital for a concussion and bruises, police said.

94 Sandy P  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:19:23am

#42 -- and even back then the locals were giving me crap about the possibility of "our" war in Iraq. I don't know how welcome I'll be if I go back. God help any of them if they try to fight with me about it, because I'm not going to roll over and play Guilty American.--

Look them in the face and tell them to quit projecting and get their head out of their ass.

Tell them they can blame you cos they know you won't chop their head off.

Look them straight in the eye and tell them to get over it, we have work to do.

Also tell them Americans are getting fed up w/their attitude and are not sure whether or not they're worth helping.

95 St. Pancake  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:19:43am

80 storagemanager

Update
They prayed anyway.
Kentucky students defy judge's ban on prayer

RUSSELL SPRINGS, KY. - A federal judge on Friday blocked a southern Kentucky high school from including prayers in its graduation ceremony, prompting students to begin reciting the Lord's Prayer during the opening remarks.

About 200 students interrupted the principal's comments with the prayer, drawing applause and a standing ovation from the crowd.


Later in the ceremony, senior Megan Chapman told the crowd that God had guided her since childhood. She was interrupted repeatedly by cheering as she urged her classmates to trust in God.

A sign across the street from the high school at a garden center declared "We believe in prayer" in response to the judge's ruling.

The student mentioned in the lawsuit had appealed to Principal Darren Gossage to drop the prayer, but the principal refused, ACLU attorney Lili Lutgens said.

Southern traditions won.

96 mich-again  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:20:03am

I really miss reading the posts from True German Ally. From what I could find, this post appears to be his most recent one, and its from the last anniversary of 9/11.

He had mentioned that he was going to write an autobiography, and hopefully, he is still well and working on that. It know it would be an amazing book.

97 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:22:29am

ot again but goes to the left and their feelings on free speech


Condoleezza Rice at Boston College? I quit
[Link: www.boston.com...]

home page
[Link: www.stevenalmond.com...]
this is the asswipe adjunct prof at boston college that wrote a letter resigning because Condoleezz Rice is the commencement speaker.

I say see ya steve don't let door hit you in the ass.

98 Geepers  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:22:51am

hans ze beeman (#93),

I could complain. But I won't.

Are you coming to the LGFOhio BBQ this year? You could stowaway with Buckeye Abroad (bring your wife) and then just stay. Illegal immigrants get all kinds of benefits here in the US.

99 storagemanager  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:23:49am

Later in the ceremony, senior Megan Chapman told the crowd that God had guided her since childhood. She was interrupted repeatedly by cheering as she urged her classmates to trust in God...I CHEER THESE KIDS...GOD BLESS THEM.

100 hans ze beeman  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:24:07am

#32: Da_Beerfreak

Thanks for the link, that's a very interesting blog. And I'm a beer-freak too! :)

101 J.D.  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:24:54am

#95 St. Pancake
The ending is just as important as all the rest.

Superintendent Scott Pierce said he was pleased with the students' response to the ruling.

"This was a good learning process for them as far as how to handle things that come along in life," Pierce said. "They exhibited what we've tried to accomplish in 12 years of education — they have the ability to make these compelling decisions on their own."


Bravo!

102 hans ze beeman  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:25:58am

#98: Geepers

Are you coming to the LGFOhio BBQ this year? You could stowaway with Buckeye Abroad (bring your wife) and then just stay. Illegal immigrants get all kinds of benefits here in the US.

I'd love to! But my wife says she prefers to enter through the Mexican border, as it would be the easiest way; she said we only need some water and worn-out shoes! ;)

103 St. Pancake  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:26:12am

101 J.D.
Yep! The spirit will come through. Do not try to legislate no prayer in the hearts of most Suthners, lol!

104 Dirk Diggler  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:27:08am

Well I guesss I'd be heartened by this if Germany's politicians were in any way responsive to the wishes of their constituents. Unfortunately (like politicians throughout the Western world) they're more concerned about observing multicultural pieties.

Still more people "getting it" can't be a bad thing.

Why do the Germans even need Turkish workers. Hasn't East Gemany been plagued by sky high unemployment for like a decade now?

105 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:28:11am

92 J.D.

I saw the trailer the other day and cried through the whole thing, and I'm in KY. I can just imagine how those in NY must feel seeing this.

95 St. Pancake

Thanks for the update. Think that is what we will all have to do. F**k the judges and the aclu.

106 J.D.  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:29:31am

#105 newsjunkie_ky

Did you get everything moved yet?

107 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:31:41am

J.D.

Yep, I'm settle in quite nicely. Of course downsizing is killing me. You should see the garage!

You still in Lexington?

108 mich-again  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:32:14am

97 newsjunkie_ky

Thats a thread-worthy find. Such a great example of an Academia Nut with a terminal case of BDS. They are so predictable.

Did you get the secret message in his last sentence?

I would like to apologize to my students and prospective students. I would also urge them to investigate the words and actions of Rice, and to exercise their own First Amendment rights at her speech.

Typical libberish. Imploring his "impressionable seniors" (his description of them, not mine) to shout down someone so their speech can not be heard, and the silencing of an opponent qualifies as "freedom of speech".

So by his logic, cutting her microphone cord would be an expression of freedom of speech. Yep, he's your garden variety nutty proffesor.

109 storagemanager  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:32:48am

Al-Quds Brigades: Response for assassination will be painful

The al-Quds Brigades, the Islamic Jihad's military wing, declared that "the revenge for the killing of Muhammad Dahdouh will come soon and will be painful."


Dahdouh, a senior Islamic Jihad member, was killed by a missile fired by IAF aircrafts at a car in Gaza. (Ali Waked)

Click here for more Israel news from Ynetnews.com

110 Beagle  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:36:16am

hans ze beeman

Man, there's no way out of this thing without a lot of violence. The EU really stuck it's foot in the gears. I'd hunker down and wait until it blows over. If there's one thing I've noticed about the Muslim community is its willingness to "defend" itself.

Some people said that the Germans and others would turn like a light switch. I guess they were right.

What were the EUrocrats thinking? Admitting millions of immigrants without assimilation: recipe for chaos and disaster.

Some people are worried about Spanish in this country, apples and oranges. I just received a free Spanish-language edition of the Orlando Sentinel in my driveway.

El Sentinel

Strangely, I don't feel violent. On the other hand, if there was a spree of gang rapes by immigrants in Orlando, and the government and media were covering it up, letting the perps off with little or no punishment, I'd be fit to
be tied.

111 Ringo the Gringo  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:36:42am

Car Swarm alert:

The Israel Air Force on Saturday evening assassinated a senior member of the Islamic Jihad's military wing Muhammad Dahdouh, an expert in producing al-Quds rockets. A Palestinian woman, Hanan Aman, her 4-year-old son Mohanad and a female relative Naima Aman were also killed in the blast. Three people were wounded.

Too bad about the still innocent 4 year old.

112 St. Pancake  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:38:49am

105 newsjunkie_ky
That is our way, when pressed.

113 J.D.  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:40:18am

#107 newsjunkie_ky
Actually, I've been in South Florida since the end of January, but I will be in Lexington for a couple of weeks the end of May to see Sgt. Brother before he leaves for Kuwait, relieve my manager, and attend a wedding.

I know what you mean.
I got rid of a bunch of stuff and stuck away the rest.
Maybe you need to look into storage!

114 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:42:14am

Texas Panhandle/Plains 100ºF+ (~40ºC) with isolated late afternoon elevated storms producing damaging winds but little rain, and/or lightning without rain to start wildfires alert


Steep lapse rates above 500 mb level, with very hot and dry air below as forecast by latest 12Z NAM/ETA for Lubbock.


Cloud based will be 4, maybe even 5 km up. Rain falling into very hot and dry air will evaporate, causing cooling and strong gusty winds. Lightning may ignite fires across tinder-dry grasslands.


Relief for Texas is at the Coast. Water temps of about 25º will help generate some cooling breezes at the beaches.

Matter of fact, EWX, CRP and HGX forecast offices think that temperature contrast between temps just inland near 35º and water temps about 10º cooler, combined with a temporary weakening of the mid-level ridge, may allow a few 'sea-breeze' thundershowers to form along the coast, mainly Monday and Tuesday when the mid-level ridge is temporarily at its weakest..

Meanwhile, unusually late season rains in California, combined with a melting snowpack, means flooding on some streams and rivers in the Sierra Nevada is possible!
Pacific satellite still.

Tonight's NASCAR Nextel Cup All-Star race is probably ok, but a stray thunderstorm can't be completely ruled out! If a storm does occur, Lowes Motor Speedway is large enough that track drying activities after a good downpour would be well over an hour.

Southeast US radar mosaic.

115 Beagle  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:42:50am

#111 Ringo the Gringo

I could never cheer for a toddler being blown up, but I wouldn't jump to innocent. The most frightening videos in MEMRI's collection involve children, some younger than four, repeating their first phrases. The worst has a couple of tiny kids smiling and giggling about how they hate the Jews. It's imprinted on them so early it takes enormous force of will to escape it. That's why the apostates and ex-terrorists should get more air time. They know what they're talking about and don't have a reason to lie.

116 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:46:34am

J.D.
Hope you are having a good time there in South Florida. Watch out for the gators and the hurricanes.

117 St. Pancake  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:49:09am

Ed
Glad to see you back using the multi-color fonts, lol. You must be getting some sleeo now, I hope. Hope Joshua is doing well.

118 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:49:09am

regarding the MSU at UC Irvine.

Just heard on FOX News that "95% of Jews are pro Israel"...

So what are the other 5%. I would think all Jews would be pro Israel. I am and I'm not a Jew.

119 AW  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:49:32am

#111 Ringo the Gringo

Notice that the tires of the car aren't even blown out. The IAF is being extremely careful not to hurt bystanders in these operations. The civilians must have been in the car with the terrorist.

120 J.D.  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:49:52am

newsjunkie_ky

I had to run out a little while ago and I looked under my car for a gator! The car is in the garage! ... but I had to look!

I have traded tornadoes for hurricanes.
Time will tell...

121 Spiritualized  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:50:54am

I think the same proportion of Germans agreed that Israel is carrying out a Holocaust though, so I wouldn't be too optimistic about Germany yet.

They believe that Islam is intolerant but they can't quite grasp that Israel has been dealing with it for over half a century.

122 St. Pancake  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:53:29am

OT
But in the interest of better understanding some of the issues involved in the Vichy French role during WWII during WWII, I came across this which enlightened me. It is nice to have another name to further understand the role. Excerpted from History Today, a subscription site.


In October 1978 the French magazine L’Express published a chilling interview with eighty-one-year old Louis Darquier de Pellepoix, the former Commissioner for Jewish Affairs in Vichy France. Still in exile in Spain, the country to which he had fled after the Liberation, Darquier used the opportunity to pour forth once again with unrepentant anti-Semitic bile. As he scribbled away, a tape recorder concealed in a fan, the journalist Philippe Ganier-Raymond was aghast at the violence of Darquier’s language. The man might have been a bedridden octogenarian but confronted with his war-time record Darquier showed no remorse. To the charge that he was the French Eichmann Darquier retorted that the Holocaust was a ‘hoax’ and that only ‘lice’ were gassed at Auschwitz. The work of Serge Klarsfeld who had painstakingly chronicled the names of all the Jewish deportees from Occupied France was dismissed as a ‘Jewish invention’. Indeed at one point Darquier even accused Ganier-Raymond of being an Israeli spy.


In 1940 France fell to the Nazis and the right-wingers of Darquier’s ilk now had their opportunity to exact revenge on the hated ‘Jewish’ Third Republic through Marshal Pétain’s authoritarian Vichy regime. Although disliked by many of Pétain’s entourage, Darquier became the Commissioner for Jewish Affairs in 1942 in large part because the Germans believed he ‘had a correct conception of the Jewish question’. Charged with the task of cleansing French Jewry from public life he was particularly zealous in the appropriation and sale of Jewish property. Yet, the picture that emerges from Callil’s research is of a man who was lazy. His anti-Semitic views were vicious enough but when it came to the nitty-gritty he preferred to leave this to others. When not visiting brothels he was more concerned about living the good life with the Nazi elite in the bars and restaurants of occupied Paris.
123 J.D.  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:53:40am

South Asia: Afghan President Reignites Feud With Pakistan Over Insurgency
The nerve of Karzai!
This is interesting...

...Pakistani officials say they have deployed thousands of troops to secure the borders. They also say they have killed militants and arrested several key Al-Qaeda figures.

Farzana Shaikh is an associate member of the Center of South Asian Studies at the University of Cambridge and director of the Pakistan study group at Chatham House (aka the Royal Institute of International Affairs) in London.

Taliban v. Al-Qaeda?

Shaikh told RFE/RL that Pakistan has drawn a distinction between Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, which used to rule large swaths of Afghanistan.

"Pakistan sees [the war against terror] very much and primarily really a war against Al-Qaeda and foreign militants based on Pakistani territory," Shaikh said. "Pakistan has been much more ambivalent about precisely what this war might mean in relation to Taliban forces -- who as we know are now fairly well established in the tribal agency of North Waziristan, where groups of Afghan Taliban in alliance with locals are claiming that they have established an independent Islamic emirate."

Shaikh suggested that the Pakistani central government's capacity to contain and control Taliban forces might be limited.

"There is really mounting skepticism on the part of U.S. and Western allied forces who really are putting pressure on Pakistan to answer the question of whether or not it is really aiding Taliban forces," Shaikh said. "Pakistan has not only hotly contested these allegations, but [it] has accused Afghanistan in turn of fomenting trouble in Pakistan's Baluchistan province. So really the accusations are flying in both directions."

"The Guardian" today quoted a top British army officer who accuses Pakistan of allowing the Taliban to use its territory as a staging ground for attacks on Western troops in Afghanistan. ...

...which leads to
Pakistan sheltering Taliban, says British officer

124 gonzo  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:54:13am

#97 newsjunkie_ky

Many members of the faculty and student body already have voiced their objection to the invitation, arguing that Rice's actions as secretary of state are inconsistent with the broader humanistic values of the university and the Catholic and Jesuit traditions from which those values derive.

Hmmm... an order founded by a soldier to act as a military unit for the Church, to convert Mohammedans, IIRC...

Good thing the guy taught English and not history, as he seems to know little about Jesuit traditions.

125 St. Pancake  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:56:24am

Part 2

Specifically though, Darquier’s provocative comments shone the spotlight on Vichy’s role in the deportation of the Jews. In particular Darquier pondered why the Vichy chief of Police René Bousquet had got off so lightly at the Liberation, even rising to become director of the Bank of Indochina. After all it was Bousquet who organized the round-up of 12,884 Jews, including 4,000 children, in Paris on July 15th and 17th, 1942. Cramming them into the Vél d’hiver sports stadium with little food or water, these Jews were then transported to Drancy, an unfinished municipal housing estate just north of Paris, before being shipped off to Auschwitz. Overall 75,721 Jews were deported during the Occupation. Of these only three per cent returned.

Article deals with the publication of this book. http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/biography/0,,1 739569,00.html

126 toddhisattva  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:58:26am

Beer.

The more Islam, the less beer.

The Germans didn't invent beer, but they perfected it. Several times!

Islam is a threat to beer.

127 St. Pancake  Sat, May 20, 2006 8:58:30am

124 gonzo
Very true. Ignatius Loyala would be astounded to hear this.

128 Victor  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:00:25am

#96 mich-again 5/20/2006 10:20AM PDT

"I really miss reading the posts from True German Ally."

Me too.

129 hans ze beeman  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:00:34am

#126: toddhisattva

Islam is a threat to beer.

Which is the reason why Islam cannot win this. Cheers

130 Spiny Norman  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:01:18am

#123 J.D.

"The Guardian" today quoted a top British army officer who accuses Pakistan of allowing the Taliban to use its territory as a staging ground for attacks on Western troops in Afghanistan. ...

...which leads to

Pakistan sheltering Taliban, says British officer

Why wouldn't they? Pakistan created the f*cking Taliban.

131 St. Pancake  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:03:22am

129 hans ze beeman

Bitte lasst du dem Moselwein irgendein nicht aus!

132 J.D.  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:04:43am

Spiny Norman
I did not completely understand that Pakistan's policy at this point is to differentiate between Al Qaeda and the Taliban. That is a huge problem.

133 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:06:21am

124 gonzo

Good thing the guy taught English and not history, as he seems to know little about Jesuit traditions.

as do most profs about the Crusades.

134 itellu3times  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:06:37am

Yeah, whatever.

61% have negative view of Islam.
62% have negative view of France.
63% have negative view of US.
64% have negative view of Israel.
65% have negative view of light beer.

but luckily, only

6% have a negative view of David Hasselhoff.

135 Geepers  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:07:47am

Hans ze beeman,

Remember "the good ole days"? ;-)

For all the newbies that think LGF is "mean" today take a look at the comments to hanz the beeman (who choose his nic because he felt he was entering a "hive" of American neocon warmongers) from the first thread he posted on here at LGF.


Try spewing crap through a mouthful of teeth, jerk.

and

Piss off, Hans, you hate-filled poofter. I'll break each and every one of your crap-typing fingers if I ever meet you.

and

hans, you are a feeble, morally bankrupt coward. I agree with Doug--you need your ass kicked, just on principle. People like you are too stupid to understand anything else.

and

Kuss mir im tuches!

Verstehen Sie?

and

the revulsion i feel towards your attitude leaves me gasping... (ploome)

and

I'm picturing Mike Myers in his Saturday Night Live "Sprockets" skit. (Charles)

and

Hans, your position is completely bankrupt;

and

So I'll just be constructive and call this guy an asshole. (Colt)

and

Short term memory man, stop smoking so much grass.

and

Hey Hans:

Yippee-ki-ay, motherfucker!

and

Hans,

You just lost any and all respect I may have had for you.

and

It is folks like you that make me increasingly reluctant to admit my German heritage

and

Believe me, Hans is a typical product of European higher education.

and

You come up with that on your own, or did it come in your crayon set?

and

So he clearly is not just a fool, but a troll.

Best that we ignore the fool and stop wasting our time on pointless arguments.

and

I've fallen for the trolls before, and see no point in wasting any more time.

and

Please do not feed the trolls:

Hans is clearly a troll, and should be ignored.

and

Hey Hans, Du bist doch ein Arschlecker!

We could have easily dismissed hans, but we didn't, and now he's a true anti-idiotarian.

136 hans ze beeman  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:08:34am

#131: St. Pancake

No, of course not! :) I mean, if you really want to annoy people here, take away their mugs of beer and wine (or simply allow halal, alcohol-free beer - "pussy beer" as some call it...).

OT: Does anyone know whether US citizenship tests are really that hard? :) Love this question:

Which of these is a purpose of the United Nations?

( ) To discuss and try to resolve world problems
( ) To settle civil wars
( ) To protect the United States
( ) To govern the world

137 neverpayretail  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:12:15am

New essay by Fitzgerald addressing reformability of Islam

Recommendations for Muslim reformers

One of the commentors translated the entire essay into German

138 St. Pancake  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:12:31am

136 hans ze beeman
Well, leaving out the Mosel wine is enough to get my panties in a bunch, lol!

I just don't see it happening.

*Lächeln*

139 J.D.  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:12:41am

I didn't realize hans took so much abuse.

Thick skin!
Way to go, hans!

140 Thuunda  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:15:01am

Does anyone have more news about the letter that Ahmadinejad is writing to the Pope?

141 hans ze beeman  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:16:02am

#135: Geepers

LOL, I remember very well! The comments were harsh, but my first comment was extremely trollish and rude, so I deserved to get my head set straight. Thanks for not dismissing me.

142 Ringo the Gringo  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:16:03am

115 Beagle,

A 4 year old is always innocent even if his parents have taught them to parrot anti-Jewish slogans.

Of course I did say "still innocent"; considering who his parents were, the little tyke would not have remained innocent for long.

143 St. Pancake  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:18:47am
144 Infidel and Proud  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:19:48am

This is wonderful news.

145 storagemanager  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:20:12am

MICHELLE MALKIN;Pat yourselves on the backs, you tolerant liberal bastards... yes pat yourselves on the back so-called liberals.whenever someone comes forth and tells the truth you attack like the animals you are.you attack michelle you attack Robert Spencer and Rush,Sean Hannity.you applaud our enemies,you love islamic sucide killer zombies.YOU HAVE NO SOUL...someday you will face the judge...enjoy your hate today.

146 paxnhymn  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:21:54am

140 Thuunda

I heard there was a shortage on Charmin in the Vatican and Benedict brought it to the can to read and never came back with it...

of course I also heard there have been copies of the kookran with pages missing seen in bathrooms all over Vatican City..

Man, I hope Reza is reading!

147 gus3  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:23:33am

Scientology is verboten in Deutschland, for many of the same life-threatening practices of Islam. So why is Islam not also prohibited?

Oh yeah, mass riots and arson.

I guess Germany doesn't mind picking on the little guy.

/pussies

148 J.D.  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:25:35am

#145 storagemanager
That's just pitiful. Predictable nowdays, but pathetic, nonetheless.

149 St. Pancake  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:27:18am

Family arrested for abuse of foreign bride

AMSTERDAM — Five members of a family are in custody for allegedly holding a 22-year-old woman prisoner for a year of rape and assault, police revealed on Thursday.

A 24-year-old female suspect has been released. She was arrested on 1 May along with four men, aged 54, 25, 21 and 18, and a woman, aged 49.

The alleged victim came to the Netherlands in January 2005 after marrying the 25-year-old man. The police did not reveal her country of origin.


Oh by the way, can we hassle Hirsan Ali some more?

Gee...

150 storagemanager  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:28:08am

yes it is...they can not win ...so they name call...sick children.

151 grayp  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:31:00am

#135 Geepers

Hey Geeps! Do you have a link to that thread. I'm pretty sure I was on it and came to his (hans') defense. I'd love to be able to bookmark it.

152 Carolyn  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:31:41am

Just stopped in to eat lunch, my checkbook is smokin'-
Another OT, Holy S#*t!

Colo. Patient Dies of Rare Brain Disease

Officials at a suburban Denver hospital alerted six brain surgery patients after another neurosurgery patient died of classic Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, a rare degenerative brain ailment, the hospital said Thursday.

The six people had neurosurgery at Littleton Adventist Hospital after an operation on the Creutzfeldt-Jakob patient. They were alerted because of the remote possibility that the disease could be transmitted by surgical instruments, even after they are sterilized, the hospital said.

153 gbl  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:34:13am

Stick a fork in the EU. It'over. By 2030, just on demographic trends, (declining growth rates/large influx of Moslems and growing birth rate) the new maps will show Eurabia. There are not enough EU politicians to stand up and say "enough is enough". THE EU policy makers were intent to make it "one big happy groups of countries without boarders" and they will get it. I just hope they all have prayer rugs.

They needed to act more like the Aussie leaders, "Either embrace Austrialian values or leave!"

154 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:38:42am

Pakistan Set to Hang Acquitted British Man

After spending half his life in a Pakistani jail, Tahir Mirza Hussain is scheduled to hang on his 36th birthday for killing a taxi driver _ even though a court acquitted him 10 years ago.

Hussain, a British-Pakistani, claims he is innocent. He was cleared by a secular court but retried and found guilty in an Islamic one. He now faces execution June 1 unless President Gen. Pervez Musharraf intervenes.
...

Mirza Hussain's family migrated to England from Pakistan when he was a boy. In December 1988, after training in Britain's reserve army, the 18-year-old came back to visit relatives living near Chakwal, about 56 miles south of Islamabad. On his way, he claims, his taxi driver stopped the car, produced a gun and physically and sexually assaulted him. In the struggle that followed the gun went off and the driver, Jamshad Khan, was fatally injured.


Mo' says, "If you're getting raped, take it like a man." I guess Sharia, applied equally, means that both men and women cannot defend against rape.

155 ymeagain  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:39:53am

#18 grayp

check this out - from NT Times of all places, as far back as last December The New Berlin Wall. MSM take notice occasionally.

156 St. Pancake  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:40:07am

From the "My, Goodness" category.

Found! King Tut's penis

157 quark2  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:40:24am

@135 Geepers
Yeup. Those were good days of fact checking
yer ass and getting tough.

@152 Carolyn
My neighbours father died of that disease
about 10 years ago, it ain't a pretty way
to go.

158 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:43:32am

#153 Gbl

By 2030, just on demographic trends

The politicians are the problem, not the numbers only: when the politicians will understand that who gets the muslim vote wins every election and who doesn't get it loses, they will become more and more dhimmified.

France today is already living that phase: the "youth" riots have been met with velvet gloves.

Citizens can still play a decisive role.

But they will need to forget ANY political correctness.

159 St. Pancake  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:44:08am

157 quark2
Ack! I am so sorry to hear that.
Would you happen to know how he contracted it>

160 St. Pancake  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:45:20am

Howdy, Killgore
That poor soul. Sounds he does not have a snowball's chance in hell. Who will stand up for him? Thinking no one.

161 St. Pancake  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:47:13am

OT
San Francisco news

San Francisco was patriotic at one time, i assume.

Old machine-gun nests found, ready for WWII assault that never came

162 RadicalRon  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:48:09am

#40 calcajun

Okay, the Germans have a proven record with mass deportations. They have a solid rail system. Get the trains running south and boot out the lot.

SW would be a better direction - straight towards Francistan.

163 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:48:21am

#156 St. Pancake
HA! Penis news! From the link at the bottom...
The oldest penis in the world?

Let the records book show – the oldest known penis is 100 million years old. At least that is what one British scientist is claiming.

Professor David Siveter from the University of Leicester announced at last week's British Association science conference that a fossil found in Brazil contained the ancient penis.

"To my knowledge, it is the oldest penis. I don't know of any older," Professor Siveter told the gathering

Penology?

164 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:48:58am

Is it too early for the jaw-dropping headline of the day yet? If not, I hereby nominate:

Militias kill dozens despite Darfur peace: rebels (Reuters)
165 toddhisattva  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:49:42am

#72 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

in Fredericksburg, TX, after a day hiking on Enchanted Rock.

I have been drunk in and around Fredericksburg.

BTW, the Germans who came to Texas in the 1800s were pacifists, motivated in part by a desire to escape the increasing level of conflict in Germany.

I wouldn't exactly call them "pacifists." Many fought in the Revolutions of 1848 trying to liberalize (classically) Germany. When the revolutions were put down, the inbred aristocracy reasserted itself and made life hard for the freethinkers and classical liberals -- hey, that's what I'd call 'em (us ;-), "freethinkers and classical liberals" -- so they came to Texas.

Many of their descendants have gone on to serve with distinction in the American Armed Forces. Others have become engineers working for the Air Force on B-52 upgrades and for the Army's RadLab.

So "freethinkers and classical liberals." Not "pacifists." Unless you're trying to start a fight ;-)

166 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:50:22am

#160 St. Pancake
He's pretty doomed. Amnesty Int. will whine a bit but there's not much hope.

167 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:51:35am

The IAF fired missiles at a car in Gaza City on Saturday, killing Islamic Jihad's most senior member in the coastal area and a woman who was in the car behind him, Palestinian officials and relatives said.

Oh Hell Yes, as we used to say at Atlanta Falcons games.

168 St. Pancake  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:53:08am

163 Killgore Trout
Maybe if he was a female, or a child. He is neither, and therefore will not be considered for anything.

Penology studies? Who wuld have thunk of that?

169 helloworld  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:54:05am

#27 is right.

i remember reading an article a few months back at freerepublic that showed europeans have a similarly low view of christianity, evangelicals and the US. even more incredible was a poll on the same site that rated the attitude of other countries regarding how much they "liked" the US, believe it or not COMMUNIST CHINA was in the top 5 countries with a positive image of the US. i don't remember seeing one european country in the top 15.

170 Beagle  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:03:47am

#142 Ringo the Gringo

Just saying, I'm not going to let the MSM tweak me by pointing out every incident of collateral damage when someone hits a terrorist hiding amongst civilians. If they don't want their families killed, come out and fight like men.

171 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:03:56am

Christians and conservatives seethe...
Fur flies over religious cartoons in UO paper

Anti-Christian cartoons in a University of Oregon student newspaper, The Insurgent, has riled students, local Catholic organizations and now involves national cable TV commentator Bill O'Reilly.

Many say the cartoons in the March issue overstep the First Amendment and want U of O President Dave Frohnmayer to step in.

The conservative O'Reilly says Frohnmayer is a coward who should be fired and that the issue is one of hate, not free speech.


...but no riots or deaths. O'Reilly's an O'tool. (IMHO)

172 a.k.a. Will  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:07:39am

#135 Geepers

Remember "the good ole days"? ;-)

Why not just provide the link for that exchange? A link is the subject of a post, but the link's not provided.

173 quark2  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:10:35am

@159 St.Pancake

Not really, there is some speculation his being
a WWII POW and escapee from a pow camp for about 18 months might have something to do with it.
He was captured in the Phillipines, nearly starved to death after his escape.
Finally rejoining allied forces with the retaking of the Phillipines from the Japanese.

174 Beagle  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:16:26am

#171 Killgore Trout

O'Reilly's an O'tool. (IMHO)


He seems intelligent at times, but then reverts to infantile populist crap. His attacks on the oil companies really ticked me off. Put up or shut up. When state and federal AG's investigate they don't find collusion or price-fixing. Oil is cheap compared to almost any other liquid product. If we didn't buy it 15+ gallons at a time, frequently, nobody would bitch.

Even easily produced stuff like bottled water or rubbing alcohol is priced higher than gasoline by volume. Oil companies are running on tiny margins and huge volume. That's why they have to react to every move in the markets as, or before, it happens. Volatility favors the oil companies.

175 Jack Reacher  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:19:19am

So, if they report it, how will the NY Times headline this article?

"Racism on rise in Germany."
"Germans also have irrational fear of immigrants."
"Tolerance lacking in Germany, poll shows."

Man, they just write themselves. Kind of the crux of the NY Times' problem, actually.

176 quark2  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:20:45am

Is anyone else having a problem pulling up
mypetjawa? All I am getting is a blank site.

177 BostonPatriot  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:22:17am

I don't really think we should be celebrating quite possibly the most intolerant country in world history agreeing with us that Islam is a dangerous ideology.

178 Hawaiian cocoNUT  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:24:21am
Asked if strict limits should be imposed on the practice of Islam in Germany to protect the country, 40 per cent said they would support such moves

Islam is not a religion in the way we think about Christianity and Judaism - Islam is a doctrine as politically ambitious as Communism was and we shouldn’t build its incubators: mosques and Islamic culture center anywhere including the USA until it goes a radical reformation and becomes a religion only.

179 hans ze beeman  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:24:30am

OT: Yusuf Islam releases new pop album - now 100% halal!

His first album "I Love My Dog" certainly doesn't ring well with his new masters...

180 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:24:59am

#174 Beagle
He lost me with his jihad against gangsta rap. He is intelligent at times but he's pretty much a parody of himself. He's kind of like a smarter version Geraldo Revera.

181 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:29:50am

#177 BostonPatriot

I don't really think we should be celebrating quite possibly the most intolerant country in world history agreeing with us

Maybe yes, maybe not, but I remember a sentence by Churchill saying that to defeat the nazis he would have gladly accepted even satan as an ally...
The islamonazis are the same kind of enemy, it's us or them...

The danger is great, deep and subtle and the West needs all the regrouping it can get...

182 storagemanager  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:30:15am

Al Hadis, Book 1, Chap 8, No. 58- Abdullah-b-Sarjas reported that the Messenger of Allah said: 'None of you must pass urine in a snake's hole'. Attested by Nisai, Abu Daud

Why? There is no reason given. What is Allah telling us about urine and snakes? I am curious. The serpent is the image of evil in the Word of God. Why is Allah showing this consideration for snakes. Actually, it would seem to me that such a practice would get the urine and smell out of circulation in a constructive way. Can some Mullah tell me?

183 BostonPatriot  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:33:39am

181 Poitiers-Lepanto

"If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons."

One of my all-time favorite Winston quotes.

184 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:34:29am

#182 StorageManager

Can some Mullah tell me?

Sorry, Chomsky is not here in this moment.

Try calling Mullah Great Chief Sitting Bullshit or imam ThereIsNoTerroristThreat Fatso.

185 storagemanager  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:34:31am

yes..even more words to the wise...Al Hadis, Book 1, Chap. 6, No. 140- Abu Raihanah reported that the Messenger of Allah forbade ten things: Sharpening teeth, anointing palms, plucking out hairs, a man lying with another man without under-garments, a woman lying with another woman without under-garments, a man putting on silk underneath his dress like foreigners, or his putting on silk upon his two shoulders like foreigners, plunder, riding on leopards, and using a seal excepting for one who is a ruler. Attested by Abu Daud, Nisai.

It is a comfort to know that very few of us have offended Allah with regard to riding leopards, right? I have been stalked by a leopard in Ethiopia, but I readily agree with Muhammed about riding them. The leopards are far more likely to end up riding the Muslim who tries this. Also, we are encouraged that Muhammed is, in a subtle manner, discouraging homosexuality. It is too bad that this Hadith is not enforced by the Mullahs. I have E-Mail from Muslim young men who tell of the Mullahs who demanded to use them sexually, so this Hadith is being overlooked I gather. For the record, silk is associated with sensuality in the Middle East. One Arab authority said, "Allah made silk so that women could go naked while wearing clothes." You will need an Arab to explain that one, but it does shed light on the above Hadith I think

186 gus3  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:35:04am

#175 Jack Reacher:

Man, they just write themselves.

Yeah, right out of "intelligent life on planet Earth".

187 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:35:47am

#183 BostonPatriot

Thank you.
Of course I speak like a pig, that sentence is delightful.

188 storagemanager  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:36:01am

wait didnt i read about a woman riding a beast in the bible?

189 Render  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:39:00am

uh-huh.

From what I've seen of the various neo-nazi groups (David Duke et al) so far, they've already renewed their age old pact with Islam.

===

OT sorta...

Somewhere on LGF, this thread or some other, within the last 24 hours:

Somebody asked about the 5% of Jews who do not support Israel.

We call them kapos and we spit when we say the name.

EDGE
OF THE
SWORD,
R

190 Beagle  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:40:51am

#177 BostonPatriot

Germany's not the most intolerant nation in history. They turned mass murder into an assembly line in modern times while being the most advanced nation, technologically, in the world. That's why the German holocaust is so frightening. It happened so recently in a nation which drove cars and had movie cameras.

The only way to claim Germany is the most intolerant nation of all time is to take a very cramped, narrow-lens, view of history. 12 years of genocide does not make Germany the ne plus ultra of inhumanity by a long shot.

The Belgian Congo is far less publicized but tops the holocaust in terms of deaths, leaving out the machete amputations which didn't cause death.

Islamic conquest of India led to over 50,000,000 deaths, not casualties, deaths. Tamerlane was noted for his pyramids of human heads. That's just one of many similar conquests which created the "Islamic nations."

The Khmer Rouge in Cambodia killed a third of the population.

Lenin and Stalin were very competitive in the inhumanity department as well. The list goes on and on. North Korea, today, is a great candidate.

Humans are very dangerous animals when improperly trained.

191 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:44:34am

#185 StorageManager


I love silk !

/infidel dog in silk everything.

//I will buy something silk just to violate the hadit.

///I have beautiful long white silk scarves, formal and casual, and I use them all the time

SILK !

192 gus3  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:45:08am

#118 newsjunkie_ky:

I would think all Jews would be pro Israel.

Ummm... Rachel "I'm No Fan Of Caterpillar" Corrie? (may her name be forgotten... not that i'm helping)

I will question the Jewishness of anyone who isn't pro-Israel. But the poll-takers have no such luxury; they can only rely on the words of their respondents.

193 storagemanager  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:49:46am

was from a website on islam

194 Sil  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:50:18am

#185 storagemanager

Dang it - and I just got my new saddle leopard broken in nicely, too.

I guess I'll just have to head to the nearest theme park so I can ride this one, or this one, or maybe even this one.

195 storagemanager  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:50:31am

not my words..lol

196 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:52:28am

#190 Beagle

Humans are very dangerous animals when improperly trained

Terribly true, although I would say

"WHEN THEY FALL PREY OF ANY KIND, SORT OR FLAVOR OF NIHILISM"

/but that would lead us too far and I gotta go...

197 gus3  Sat, May 20, 2006 10:57:11am

#190 Beagle:

I recall something recently about Mao Tse-tung. A quick Yahoo search turns up this book review, pegging it around 70,000,000 peacetime deaths in the "political liquidations."

198 Geepers  Sat, May 20, 2006 11:01:47am

grayp (#151),

Hey Geeps! Do you have a link to that thread. I'm pretty sure I was on it and came to his (hans') defense. I'd love to be able to bookmark it.

True:

grayp from January 15, 2003:

It was uncalled for to ask Hans if he's beaten up any Jews lately. Shame on you. Hans, my guess is you are fairly young and your personal knowledge is from books and perhaps family memories only.

199 helloworld  Sat, May 20, 2006 11:01:56am

#190 beagle

a good site about democide statistics is:
[Link: www.hawaii.edu...]

i didn't detect any bias in his numbers and the book seems well researched. it's totally available online for free.

200 storagemanager  Sat, May 20, 2006 11:02:48am

from the this is funny file...Khaled Abu Toameh, THE JERUSALEM POST May. 20, 2006

---

Three cars belonging to the al-Jazeera news network were torched in Ramallah on Saturday night.

Eyewitnesses said masked gunmen were seen fleeing the area.

The cars were parked in the underground parking lot of the City Center Building in downtown Ramallah, where al-Jazeera has a large bureau on the eighth floor.

Walid Omari, chief correspondent of al-Jazeera in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, said the building was evacuated of all its occupants because of the fire. He said he did not know who was behind the fire.

But sources in the city told The Jerusalem Post that Fatah supporters were behind the torching of the al-Jazeera cars.

The sources said the Fatah supporters were angry with al-Jazeera because it had not covered an anti-Hamas demonstration in the city by Fatah earlier in the day.

201 EIDE_Interface  Sat, May 20, 2006 11:18:01am

Maybe this gang-rape of a young girl in a supposedely safe area of Berlin just shocked the Krauts out of their complacency. Amazing how schizoid the Krauts are. One century they're genocidal maniacs, the next they lay down to the genocidal maniacs. Go figure...

202 Beagle  Sat, May 20, 2006 11:25:16am

#199 helloworld

That's Rummel. He should get far more attention than he does. So many intellectual prizes go for total crap. I've had his site bookmarked since I got on the Internet.

203 foreign devil  Sat, May 20, 2006 11:31:26am

You've GOT to hear this, courtesy enough.com. The Right Brothers have another tune which is a free download till tomorrow. It's called "For My Country":

[Link: www.therightbrothers.com...]

204 grayp  Sat, May 20, 2006 11:35:39am

ymeagain

Thanks very much for the link to The New Berlin Wall. I had known of Necla Kellik, but the other two authors are new to me.

The situation is every bit as bad in France but I think they're farther along in setting up underground shelters specifically for Muslim women.

205 grayp  Sat, May 20, 2006 11:41:47am

#100 Geepers

Oh, thanks so much! It's bookmarked. What a hoot to read thru it now...

206 Thuunda  Sat, May 20, 2006 11:47:07am

Thanks #143 Flat-One and # 146

Feels like I'm living in a perpetual April 1st world atm. :)

207 storagemanager  Sat, May 20, 2006 11:47:37am

WHY THEY LEFT ISLAM... I often thought that I was a person who seeks to know the truth. But actually, I was just trying to prove myself as being right. Whenever, I noticed that truth wasn't on my side, I would quickly run to the other direction and hide behind an excuse. I was also driven by fear in my heart: I was afraid of Allah's curse and wrath if I tried to search beyond what Islam allows. I was also afraid to give up my pride.
[Link: answering-islam.org.uk...]

208 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 20, 2006 11:51:14am
209 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, May 20, 2006 11:51:52am
210 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, May 20, 2006 11:52:12am
211 Catttt  Sat, May 20, 2006 11:53:07am

118 newsjunkie_ky

I heard that too. I'd like to see the poll data. I did find this information, based on a Gallup poll, but it's not broken down by religion.

America's Support for Israel Growing

Gallup's long-standing trend question on the Middle East, first measured in 1988, asks Americans whether their sympathies in the conflict lie more with the Israelis or the Palestinians. As has typically been the case, Americans are much more likely to sympathize with the Israelis (59%) than with the Palestinians (15%), with the remaining 26% not taking either side or not having an opinion. The current figures represent one of the most lopsided margins in favor of the Israelis ever recorded by Gallup. The only other times sympathy has been this high were during the first Persian Gulf War in February 1991 (when Iraq was launching Scud missiles into Israeli territory) and shortly before the start of the second war with Iraq, in February 2003 (58%). In 2004 and 2005, sympathy toward the Palestinians, though still low, was as high as it has been historically (18%).

Republicans (77%) are significantly more likely to sympathize with the Israelis than are Democrats (50%) or independents (50%).

Gallup also finds that Americans who say they follow news about world affairs "very closely" are more likely to sympathize with the Israelis (66%) than Americans who follow foreign news only somewhat closely (59%) or who do not follow it closely (52%).

212 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, May 20, 2006 11:57:40am

Well done, IAF! This calls for pizza!

213 storagemanager  Sat, May 20, 2006 11:58:05am

WHY THEY LEFT ISLAM...I finished my enlistment in the Marine Corps, with one year duty in Vietnam. The following years would see hedonism, poverty, prosperity, drunkenness, sobriety, and eventually marriage, adultery, divorce. Never during this time did I consider God, whether doing good or evil. I had broken every Commandment God had written. I was a man with blood on his hands, but the only thing my relatives asked, did I eat pork. The look of relief on their face when I answered "No", almost made me laugh. My answer was true, but how I wished a bacon, lettuce, tomato sandwich could be the cause of all my problems. Through those years, I would often reflect on my life and where God is.

The reflection on my past revealed a man who gave all glory to himself for the good times and accused God for the bad times. Never seeing my unfairness to God. I became angry at God who created me with no say in nature. How could he judge me without ever knowing what it is to be human? If He were a man, he too would fail. If we are his children then why hasn't he revealed himself? All the questions and accusations I made towards God could fill a book. God must have been fed up with my pseudo reflections that served only my own glory, because they were reaching a terrible, but thankful end.

[Link: answering-islam.org.uk...]

214 DesertSage  Sat, May 20, 2006 11:59:18am

#211 Cattt

Republicans (77%) are significantly more likely to sympathize with the Israelis than are Democrats (50%) or independents (50%).

I ask this again to my fellow Jews, "Why do you keep supporting Democrats?"

215 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 20, 2006 12:04:29pm
216 realwest  Sat, May 20, 2006 12:05:41pm

#96 mich-again - WHOA! I went to that link, and got up to get a beveridge while it was being loaded (I've had connectivey problems with Time-Warner *spit* since last night.
When I came back I forgot that I had gotten to that thread via your link and read the entire thread (all except that which has been archived) from 9/11/05. It was and still is a bone chilling experience for me; even after I read some of my own comments it didn't dawn on me that I was reading the 9/11/05 thread.
And it got me angry, all over again - well, maybe kept me angry but fanned the flames of that anger again, higher than they've ever been.
A very Surrealistic Experience.

217 Chana  Sat, May 20, 2006 12:07:29pm

And speaking of US support for Israel, has anyone been reading Scott Adams' Dilbert blog the past few days? He is inviting readers to explain why the US supports Israel (or why it should not).

What could he be thinking? There is something about the discussion that makes me nervous. I can't explain what; perhaps it's all that ignorance being presented by a person whom people trust.

218 gutneshama  Sat, May 20, 2006 1:11:33pm

#29 BabbaZee

Amen! Rant noted and appreciated.

219 kepiblanc  Sat, May 20, 2006 1:11:54pm

Interesting graphics at :

[Link: www.faz.net...]

Click the small ones. Pretty obvious where Germany is heading.

220 somaking  Sat, May 20, 2006 1:13:38pm

This shows that German citizens don't buy doublespeak. Good for them.

221 cbinflux  Sat, May 20, 2006 1:30:26pm

Germans LOVE David Hasselhof; Arabs LOVE Lionel Richie. "No one knows why."
Baghdad's Lionel Richie Obsession
American Pop Star Is an Iraq Obsession
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

222 yochanan  Sat, May 20, 2006 1:47:59pm

I HATE UM BOTH KRUTS AND MUSLIMS

223 Catttt  Sat, May 20, 2006 1:56:14pm

#222 yochanan

Thank you for sharing your broad narrow mindedness.

224 yochanan  Sat, May 20, 2006 2:08:08pm

THE KRUTS BUTCHERED 95% OF MY WIFE'S FAMILY
WHY SHOULD I LIKE THEM?

225 yochanan  Sat, May 20, 2006 2:09:19pm

and enough of the muslims seem to want to repeat the process. If the could.

226 firegeezer  Sat, May 20, 2006 2:24:36pm

Probably the reason they "mistrust" Muslims and Islam is because they ARE untrustworthy. Lying is a practiced art form in their culture and every one of them will lie to you in an instant.

227 Haiku  Sat, May 20, 2006 2:35:25pm

Islamophobic=Naziphobic. At least the Germans are getting wise to the threat of Islam.

228 Catttt  Sat, May 20, 2006 2:37:04pm

224 yochanan

You can do as you please. I can think you are narrowminded.

229 scaryfast  Sat, May 20, 2006 2:43:52pm

I wonder if Germany realizes they are within missle range of Iran.

230 yochanan  Sat, May 20, 2006 2:47:08pm

i never killed a german sadly the germans can't say they never killed any jews. I think I have a reason to hate them. I have seen even in my wife what they have done. And she was born here.

231 yochanan  Sat, May 20, 2006 2:48:08pm

given what the euro trash have to say about Israel I don't trust any of them at this point.

232 Earth2moonbat  Sat, May 20, 2006 2:51:21pm

227 Haiku

Islamophobic=Naziphobic.

Not necessarily. That's the dilema. The islamofascists may just drive the European public right into the laps of the skinheads. It seems that they're the only ones who aren't afraid of defying the PC cult. Out of the kettle and into the fire...

233 Catttt  Sat, May 20, 2006 3:32:59pm

230 yochanan

I understand your position. Perhaps I was being knee-jerk critical of you. It's just that I have German friends, and you kind of ticked me off.

Movie you might enjoy - A Majority of One. It's a classic movie from the 60s. It is a love story with MATURE people instead of young kids, it has two of my favorite actors from then, and it is about this subject, though in this case, it's an American who lost family in the war and a Japanese gentleman.

Great flick (I own a copy.)

234 freya4freedom  Sat, May 20, 2006 4:21:35pm

#59: Nah, trust me there are European antidhimmis. Me, for instance :D!
Have a look at my blog (ANTI-DHIMMI).

235 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:21:19pm

#94 Sandy P,

One of my more sensible friends over there (with whom I often conversed on his patio, just him & the cat, nice frank discussions - sharp guy!) said "How would we feel if they destroyed something in Berlin or Koeln?" He gets the message.

My last visit over there was in mid-2002 IIRC and I remember being put on the spot at a party and one guy asked "Why Iraq?" I had to be honest and tell him "I don't know, they're not really telling us." This was back when the rumors and rumblings were getting louder, but before Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld etc. had picked out a Causus Belli (WMD) from the long list of justifications.

At this same time I met a couple of Iranian guys (raised in Germany & fluent in German) who told me they had hoped to go to the US to learn to fly, but between Sep. 11th and general politics it wasn't going to happen. Now that there are rumblings of splattering Almondjeans' facilities with tactical nukes, I wonder if they'll be a bit... Shall we say, "different" towards me when I visit next.

236 yochanan  Sat, May 20, 2006 6:35:18pm

catt you will never understand. The euro are back to the level of anti semitism they had before the nazis. If you are a jew in europe right now you hide the fact. Frankly if germans don't like the fact that jews don't like um they can 'kush'n touckas' for all i care.

The number of euro who saved jews during the war were very small. The danes and serbs come to mind. The list of countries that aided the Germans is rather long, the baltic countries, poland, ukrine, hungary, romania, croats,vichy france and bosnians etc.

237 wildcat  Sat, May 20, 2006 7:07:42pm

Someone please answer this question for me.

If the Germans kick the Muslims out...

Who will have to edit their newspapers?
Who will they have to piss on their Cathedrals? What will the Germans do with all of extra tax-revenues? Who will be around to demand that the female school teachers wear appropriate colthing? Clothing that conceals female teachers' hair (and faces).

Who will be around to lecture the Germans about how a real "open socitey" should operate?

Please advise...

238 Taro  Sat, May 20, 2006 9:01:37pm
If the Germans kick the Muslims out...

Who will have to edit their newspapers?
Who will they have to piss on their Cathedrals? What will the Germans do with all of extra tax-revenues? Who will be around to demand that the female school teachers wear appropriate colthing? Clothing that conceals female teachers' hair (and faces).

Who will be around to lecture the Germans about how a real "open socitey" should operate?

Please advise...

Oh, you shouldn't worry. I'm sure the German social programs could use the extra tax money, and as for the rest, the French will always be welcome in Germany.

239 wildcat  Sun, May 21, 2006 6:32:04am

If the Germans kick the muslims out, then who will make babies for the Germans?

We know that the French population (that part of the population that is really French) doesn't reproduce either.

240 Nordish12  Sun, May 21, 2006 1:25:52pm

Excellent news of the Germans. See some other negative publicity on supposed German "racism" -- obviously wildly exaggerated:

[Link: nordish.net...]


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