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 RetweetUK Muslim Leader: Preaching Jihad is Our Right

Sun, May 28, 2006 at 5:29:03 pm PDT

A fascinating admission in an article at The Muslim News, a British Muslim paper, reporting a speech by Union of Muslim Organisations (UMO) official Syed Aziz Pasha—who is seething over a new addition to Britain’s anti-terror laws that would prevent them from preaching jihad.

Uh. I think that’s supposed to be the idea.

The Government was condemned last month on its glorification antiterrorism legislation at an event to celebrate Prophet Muhammad (p)’s birthday held on April 18. “The Government is spending more time on anti terror legislation and is taking away Muslims’ civil liberties and freedom,” said Secretary General of Union of Muslim Organisations (UMO), Syed Aziz Pasha. He was responding to Home Office Minister, Fiona Mactaggart, who told the guests that the anti terror legislation was meant “to make us safer” and that the outlawing of glorification of terrorism “does not prevent reasonable speeches.”

Mactaggart said the Government was “looking forward to continuing collaboration with the Muslim community.” It is “this relationship that helps policing work,” she said. But Pasha said anti terror legislation was targeted at the Muslims and the new addition of glorification would prevent them from speaking about jihad as this would be considered as terrorism.

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1 Earth2moonbat  Sun, May 28, 2006 3:31:29pm

And killing jihadis is Israel's right. And the US, for that matter.

2 LSD  Sun, May 28, 2006 3:31:40pm

Ummm hello? A brick to the head, hurts...

3 looking closely  Sun, May 28, 2006 3:32:32pm

Anguished charges of "Islamophobia" in 3. . .2. . .1. . .

4 daughter of patriots  Sun, May 28, 2006 3:35:17pm

Jihad is terrorism. And their point is?

5 Miriam  Sun, May 28, 2006 3:35:44pm

"[...]anti terror legislation was targeted at the Muslims"

Oh, gosh, why would the British engage in racial profiling?

/sarc

(utters a profanity)

How long, O L-rd?!

6 cbinflux  Sun, May 28, 2006 3:36:19pm

Just another wake-up call which will also be ignored.

7 Fjordman  Sun, May 28, 2006 3:39:18pm

Can't we sue that guy for racism or Islamophobia or something? He agrees with Fjordman. Surely, that must be a crime in the UK?

8 realwest  Sun, May 28, 2006 3:40:57pm

Ah Geez, Charles is sprint threading again. I'm getting too old for sprint threading!

CHARLES - could you please answer my #80 on the Humiliating TV thread? I mean either there or here?

9 Catttt  Sun, May 28, 2006 3:41:38pm
anti terror legislation was targeted at the Muslims

Classic case of "if the shoe fits, wear it."

Are these people so ignorant of the fine art of logic that they can't see that complaining that their preaching jihad will violate anti-terror laws makes them look - well - pro-terrorist?

Anyone bet there is also a quote out there somewhere from Mr. Pasha asserting that jihad is merely an inner struggle?

10 Cartman  Sun, May 28, 2006 3:42:48pm

How many times do the dhimmis need to be told, in clear and concise English the evil and madness they are aiding and abetting?

11 jwm  Sun, May 28, 2006 3:47:56pm
“The Government is spending more time on anti terror legislation and is taking away Muslims’ civil liberties and freedom,” said Secretary General of Union of Muslim Organisations (UMO), Syed Aziz Pasha.

Well, if muslims weren't so prone to destroying the civil liberties (not to mention the lives) of non muslims then legislation wouldn't be necessary, now would it. Imagine the nerve, not allowing muslims to prosecute jihad in their host country.

JWM

12 jimmytheclaw  Sun, May 28, 2006 3:53:43pm

waaa waaa jihad is a peacefull inner struggle now where is that bomb belt at infidel

13 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 28, 2006 3:57:36pm

#8 realwest
I'm guessing there's too much information collected, IP adresses, browser history etc. It's probably best that Charles keep that stuff to himself.
The map under frank says will keep me intertained. Better that a lava lamp, IMHO.

14 LoFlyer  Sun, May 28, 2006 3:58:00pm

I think this new "glorification of terrorism" law is a step in the right direction. But the question is, will the law be enforced? Currently the P/C-Multiculturlism government and media maintain that "oppressed minorities" cannot be judged by western cultural standards and that in fact a double standard exists for minorities. Under these circumstances, non-enforcement of laws affecting minorities is the norm rather than the exception.

15 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 28, 2006 3:58:33pm

Someone just logged in from Ghana.

16 bolivar  Sun, May 28, 2006 3:58:50pm

Can't somebody figger a way to shut up that caterpillar eyebrowed mutha Murtha? He is babbling about the current "scandal" in Iraq being worse than Abu Gharib.

You would think somebody gives a fat flying f^&$ what that worthless piece of dog excrement says or even less thinks.

GRRR

17 Duane  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:00:37pm

Things like this, and the mad mullahs of Iran, lead to me believe there will be a terrorist attack at the World Cup.

18 brickthruplateglasswindow  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:03:10pm
Pasha responded by saying that the new anti terror laws “are creating fear in the Muslim community.”

...and Britain gives a big "how you like me now" shout out to the jihadis.

19 Sil  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:03:18pm

So, the jihadis wouldn't be able to preach their particular brand of hatred for fear of being nailed for terrorism. Aww. My heart just bleeds for them.

an event to celebrate Prophet Muhammad (p)’s birthday held on April 18

We missed Mo-Day? Damn, and here I was wanting to ask Mo to bring me a new camel this year.

20 D'kian_  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:03:29pm

So the islamists believe carrying out acts of terror is a civil right. So what else is new?

21 flipflop  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:03:58pm

#15 killgore trout

I use site meter, too. I like seeing where visitors are coming from. But I always get a bit creeped out when I see visitors from Iran, Jordan, Oman, etc.

22 christheprofessor  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:04:59pm

Preaching jihad is not different than yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater, except for the delayed effect...

23 Killian Bundy  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:06:37pm
But Pasha said anti terror legislation was targeted at the Muslims and the new addition of glorification would prevent them from speaking about jihad as this would be considered as terrorism.

Bring it on RoPers.

/you rack 'em, we'll whack 'em

24 Earth2moonbat  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:08:38pm

21 flipflop

I use site meter, too. I like seeing where visitors are coming from. But I always get a bit creeped out when I see visitors from Iran, Jordan, Oman, etc.

Or "satellite provider".

25 flipflop  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:09:49pm

#24 E2M

Thankfully, I haven't seen that one yet. Or maybe that's the "unknown country" that pops up now and then?

26 de La Valette  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:10:40pm

Nice to see there is no misunderstanding the intent and planned impact.

27 Earth2moonbat  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:11:25pm

Two possibilities:

a) Jihad is a peaceful inner struggle. In this case there's no problem with this law.

b) They're lying, and Jihad is violent insurrection. And they have the chutzpah to complain about the government curtailing it?

28 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:12:34pm

#21 flipflop
I've seen a couple from indonesia and malaysia too. Charles might have a fan base there.

29 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:13:56pm

How about that if they preach jihad, they can be held responsible for the actions of any one who attended their lectures? They, and whoever owns the mosque, and all officiers of the mosque, and all major supporters.

So if someone goes to a lecture and explodes themselves in the Underground, the Underground itself, and all victims and their families can sue the mosque for all damages. This includes all benefits from the state; if they starve, they starve.

And if any Saudi government money goes to the mosque, all funds and other assets belonging to Saudi Arabia are available to pay damages, including oil and oil fields.

They can have free speech, but suffer the consequences.

30 Earth2moonbat  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:14:26pm

#25 flipflop

It was just up. I have no idea how tracable one of those accounts is, if someone was up to no good with one. They're expensive, but anyone can get one. Usually for people way out in the sticks where there's no phone service. I suspect that if someone was engaging in some sort of questionable activity using one that the FBI (or the authorities in the local country) could trace it.

31 Merovign  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:17:22pm

Here, let me just open up that ol' Memory Hole...

{zzziiip}

...and toss this in...

{plunk}

...along with that pesky new Ahmadinejad antisemitic speech.

On second thought, maybe I should keep this thing open, Ahmadinejad might make another speech.

/MSM

32 cbinflux  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:17:44pm

OT
Pentagon pressing for new rapid-strike weapon: report
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

The Pentagon is seeking congressional approval for development of a new weapon able to strike distant targets an hour after they are detected, a newspaper reported on Monday.

The International Herald Tribune said the weapon would be a non-nuclear version of the submarine-launched Trident-2 missile and be part of a president's arsenal when considering a pre-emptive attack.

The report quoted military officials as saying it could be used to hit terrorist camps, enemy missile sites, suspected caches of weapons of mass destruction and other urgent threats.


Congress is afraid that it would start nuclear war b/c these would be detected as a Sub's nukes launch.

33 flipflop  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:18:30pm

#28 killgore trout

I've seen a couple from indonesia and malaysia too. Charles might have a fan base there.

Some particularly rabid ones, no doubt.

34 Quella  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:18:50pm

Catt (#9):

Well, it's the same logic from the Danish cartoon riots. The Muslim rioters were horribly offended that the cartoons showed Islam was a violent religion, so they showed their frustration by burning down embassies. But remember, "religion of peace!"

35 jrdroll  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:20:28pm

OT another power "failure":

Schumer calls for panel to investigate Amtrak power failure

NEW YORK Senator Charles Schumer called today for the appointment of a panel to investigate the cause of the recent power outage that shut down train service between Washington and New York.
The failure stranded thousands Thursday in train cars for hours without air conditioning or light.

Amtrak spokeswoman Vernay Graham says Amtrak is still investigating the cause of the power failure.


[Link: www.wcax.com...]

36 realwest  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:21:33pm

Charles - loved the samples of that CD Mambo Sinuendo
Ry Cooder & Manuel Galban
Bodas de Oro
What an interesting blend of musical styles!

And gotta be the coolest album cover EVER!
Thanks.

37 bweep  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:22:13pm

Does anyone think that any of our trolls today were anything to do with Bunglawala?

38 St. Pancake  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:24:45pm

bweep
Le Troil has been around before. Do not think so. Just an annoying mosquito.

39 realwest  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:26:31pm

#13 Killgore Trout - Better than a lava lamp! LOL!
One thing to remember that I think Charles said was to keep your cookies cleaned out, cause you get a better and more current map that way (though of course it screws up your 'puter in other ways that then need to be taken care of).
But yeah, you're right, Charles probably has waaay more info than any of us need.
I just think it's sooo cool that we're all over the World! YES- HURRAH FOR LGF!

40 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:28:02pm

#37 bweep
Nah, Br. Bungallah said this morning that he's reported the matter to Scottland yard so I'm sure the authorities will handle things without trolls.

41 deadmaus  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:28:22pm
But Pasha said anti terror legislation was targeted at the Muslims

Holy shit how did thay get it so wrong, it should have been targetted at...lemme see, who, when people don't agree with them threaten to cut peoples heads off, assault and murder their own innocent people just trying doing their jobs, glorify murdering suicide bombers, have no idea how to dress and dye their beards fer god's sake.
I wonder who would be a more appropriate target.

Even being a Muslim wont save you so what the hell do you do, wipe them out? Sounds like the right choice to me before they wipe us out, as they constantly remind us.

42 freya4freedom  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:29:00pm

And to kick these despicable jihadis bastards out of the West is our right.

43 Earth2moonbat  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:29:44pm

38 St. Pancake

Just an annoying mosquito.

But more annoying than usual. Musta got into the "stuff".

44 St. Pancake  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:31:03pm

Hello to South Korea, Thailand,China, and New Zealand!

45 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:31:21pm

#39 realwest
Every time I see a blip in Jakarta, I wonder if someone learned something. It's very nice to see the impact one giant lizard can have without even leaving his lair beneath the Denver airport.

46 brickthruplateglasswindow  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:32:12pm
# 32 cbinflux

The International Herald Tribune said the weapon would be a non-nuclear version of the submarine-launched Trident-2 missile and be part of a president's arsenal when considering a pre-emptive attack.

That sounds pretty cool especially if they can keep 12 MIRV's ea. w/ conventional warheads.

Would kinda make sub-launched cruise missiles a thing of the past, I'd think.

47 St. Pancake  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:32:28pm

Earth2moonbat
Maybe, did you smell the bong?

48 realwest  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:32:48pm

#43 Earth2moonbat -Who (whom? I can never get that right!)are you and St. Pancake talking about?

49 sandbox  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:32:57pm

...Clause 22: If the deported Islamofascist's original country of origin (OCO) will not accept them back, or if that country will accept them back but intends to imprison the deported islamofascist for prior islamofascist activity, and the country from which the deported islamofascist is being expelled from has guilt feelings about the deported islamofascist being imprisoned in their OCO, or doesn't feel guilty, but has previously signed an international treaty or has enacted their very own parliamentary legislation which prohibits deporting said islamofascist back to their OCO where they may be imprisoned (or even killed), then said islamofascist shall be taken into custody and sent to the above noted Carribean Island (a/k/a Gitmo Light) where they shall reside until such time as an alternate OCO can be secured...

50 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:33:17pm
51 Jack Reacher  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:35:38pm
The Government is spending more time on anti terror legislation and is taking away Muslims’ civil liberties and freedom...

So Mr. Pasha believes laws to stop terrorism have a disproportionate impact on Muslims? I don't see how that's possible, unless it's Muslims who are...

Oh, ah, never mind.

52 Earth2moonbat  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:36:38pm

#48 realwest

There's a troll by the name of trole. Clever.

53 St. Pancake  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:38:03pm
54 mich-again  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:38:30pm
"Preaching jihad is our right"

This is the same notion that Abu Hamza's defence rested on. And lost with.

But I say let the Imams argue their point that Islamic instruction is not subject to hate speech laws. It would be a very interesting trial.

55 Cartman  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:39:14pm

#50 ploome

have no words...why are all these people not deported?

It'll never happen. I suppose it's in our nature to see the enemy's eyes close up, and personal. Let's hope that tendancy doesn't cost us our freedom...or our lives.

56 sandbox  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:39:24pm

Ploome said "...why are all these people not deported?

Exactly. Tony Blair said last year after the London bombings that "the rules of the game have changed". Tony, the only way these folks will get that message is when they are forcefully placed on the planes back to where they came from.

57 deadmaus  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:44:53pm

#44 St Pancake

Hello to South Korea, Thailand,China, and New Zealand!

NZ is probably me.

58 St. Pancake  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:47:22pm

deadmaus
Howdy!

59 tokyobk  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:47:46pm

Esmay alert.

60 hayseed  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:48:45pm

get on the bbc muslim board. you will be amazed.

61 deadmaus  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:50:16pm

Howdy back at ya St Pancake

62 AlexMartinez  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:55:01pm

If people live in your country, and fail to assimilate to that culture, then upon being there wish to live as their past citizenship.And you then grant them the right to practice their former lifestyle, then they demand for you to submit to their ways,you are a fool. And you deserve to be destroyed..

63 Noam Sayin'  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:55:31pm

#60

What's going on, hayseed? Uh, and you'll have to provide a link.

64 sandbox  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:57:39pm

Alex,
It's not just that radical islamists fail to assimilate. They are overtly hostile to their new host country.

65 Noam Sayin'  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:57:54pm

Hey, where did everybody go?

66 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 28, 2006 4:58:56pm

#41 deadmaus
I think you might have a hindu holy man (a saddhu) linked to there under "dress" and "beard". You might want to double check that.

67 Noam Sayin'  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:00:14pm

Ten p.m. on the east coast, realwest is turning in. Seven on the west coast, and the skies are filled with barbecue smoke.

It's dark in the midwest, and Noam's laptop is getting just a little too warm to remain in his lap. Be back later, folks.

68 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:00:40pm

#65 Noam Sayin'
here

69 AlexMartinez  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:01:33pm

#64 then what wrong with checking people out prior to moving to you country.

70 hayseed  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:03:31pm

#63noam sayin they are asleep now . i put forth a question about memorial day. hold tight i will try to do the link thing.

71 godfrey  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:04:24pm

St P

Hullo. Fascinating link there. The lead article begins thus:

Though British Muslims started their month of fasting on the same day, Friday, the 15th of October, 2004, they were divided in celebrating Eid-ul-Fitr, some performed Eid on Saturday, 13th and others on Sunday, 14th November 2004. This is very unfortunate. This has given a disunited picture of the Muslim community. The younger generation is feeling embarrassed? “Everywhere we are going; non-Muslim friends and colleagues are asking why you Muslim celebrated Eid on two different days."

[Ed. Right, I'm sure this is the burning question of the day.]

When I was asked these questions, I can’t say anything. I felt embarrassed. Why other religions, such as Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism and Buddhism have no problem, confusion and conflict, when they celebrated festival like this?

Is it really so easy to shame this guy? Isn't this like the not-very-bright student, the one who extorts lunch money and beats up the nerdy kids,

72 realwest  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:04:49pm

#67 Noam Sayin' - NOpe I ain't turning in just yet - yeah can never tell, sometimes Charles will post a really nice photo thread early for him, late for us East Coasters!
I'll be here til the meds make me go to bed!


Ummm, you DO know that laptops don't have to be actually used on your lap, right?!? LOL!

73 godfrey  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:05:09pm

and tries to copy off you during test-time?

74 St. Pancake  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:07:05pm

66 Killgore Trout
Think so too. Looks very Hindu, actually.

75 St. Pancake  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:09:24pm

71 godfrey
Howdy! I read that too.
Weird.

76 Asher Abrams  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:16:18pm

OT -

We already know that CNN misrepresented the Iraqi government's position on Iran.

But Pat at Pawigoview points out a mighty interesting development:
[Link: pawigo.blogspot.com...]

I'm sure it's coincidence.

77 AlexMartinez  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:16:27pm

Sorry #69 shouldve been whats and your, sorry for the bad typing

78 hayseed  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:18:56pm

and try this [Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
muslim topic

79 realwest  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:20:43pm

Um, don't think this has been posted today, but OT:

Sunni Who Aided U.S. Gunned Down in Iraq

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A tribal chief who challenged Iraq's most feared terrorist and sent fighters to help U.S. troops battle al-Qaida in western Iraq died in a hail of bullets Sunday - the latest victim of an apparent insurgent campaign against Sunni Arabs who work with Americans.

The prime minister, meanwhile, was frustrated again in trying to fill key security posts, and his spokesman hinted at a deadline if the impasse continued. Nouri al-Maliki is trying to get Shiite and Sunni politicians to agree on candidates who are independent and not tied to sectarian militias.

The most significant killing involved Sheik Osama al-Jadaan, who was ambushed by gunmen as he was being driven in Baghdad's Mansour district, a predominantly Sunni Arab area. Al-Jadaan's driver and one of his bodyguards also were killed, police Lt. Maitham Abdul Razzaq said.

Al-Jadaan was a leader of the Karabila tribe, which has thousands of members in Anbar province, an insurgent hotbed stretching from west of Baghdad to the Syrian border. He had announced an agreement with the U.S.-backed Iraqi government to help security forces track down al-Qaida members and foreign fighters.

U.S. troops also raised a scout force from al-Jadaan's followers known as the "Desert Protectors" to help find insurgents living under the protection of a rival tribe in Qaim and a cluster of nearby towns in Anbar. U.S. officials described the area as a staging ground for smuggling weapons, ammunition and fighters into Iraq.

[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

80 hayseed  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:20:57pm

hey it really works. look at the memorial day thread

81 storagemanager  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:21:06pm

Later I realized that this prejudice and hatred Muslims harbor in their hearts against almost all non-muslims is not the result of any misinterpretation of the teachings of the koran but because the koran teaches hate and prejudice. There are many verses in the koran that call believers to hate nonbelievers, to fight them, to call them najis, to subdue and humiliate them, to chop off their heads and other limbs, to crucify them kill them wherever they find them. ALI SINA --Leaving Islam...Islam is a bad movie...A Rod Serling Twilight Zone script that was rejected tor being unbelievable...a Dark and hostile world...Where joy is hate...May GOD have mercy on any country that has islam as a way of life.

82 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:24:09pm

#74 St. Pancake
On second thought, I think he might be Sikh. The bulge under his "doo rag" is probably his "top knot". Either way, he probably a mystic who dances for days on end or runs 100's of miles between temples with bell clanging. Most likely non-muslim.

83 hayseed  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:24:49pm

ya'll know all i do is hit the computer desk and it comes to life

84 St. Pancake  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:26:28pm

82 Killgore Trout
Still going with HIndu. Deadmaus, are you still here? Would love to know where that picture came from?

85 Asher Abrams  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:28:46pm

41/daedamus

not to beat a dead horse, but I suspect he's a Sikh, esp. with that metal bracelet thingy on his right wrist ...

86 hayseed  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:31:08pm

just kiding-kind of

87 deadmaus  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:31:26pm

# 66 Kilgour

I think you are right but the picture fitted what I wanted to convey. Just like the Left's 'why let the facts spoil a damn good story' eh.)

88 deadmaus  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:32:40pm

#66 Kilgour

...but i think the dyed beard guy is right.

89 deadmaus  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:35:04pm

St Pancake et al

Yep still here, I get most of my pics from Getty or just a random roll using Google images. Ill check on the sikh guy though, not sure where he cam from but it was recent.

90 St. Pancake  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:36:13pm

Besides the hair, why else might he be Sikh?

91 hockeymum  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:38:33pm

Realwest

In case you weren't kidding, who is the subject, and whom is the object.

As in Who gave the cake to whom?

92 St. Pancake  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:41:49pm

hockeymum
Whom are you asking?

93 Asher Abrams  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:41:52pm

90/pancake

see my 85

94 St. Pancake  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:42:51pm

and to whom did you direct the question?

95 deadmaus  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:43:57pm

The sikh guy came up in a random search for something along with this interesting image made out of a saw blade. Cool eh.

96 St. Pancake  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:43:58pm

Asher Abrams
Thanks. Sikhs wear bracelets? Ok. Learn something new every day.

This grammar thing is fun.

97 St. Pancake  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:44:40pm

95 deadmaus
Yeah, that is cool.

98 hockeymum  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:45:16pm

St Pancake

To whomever has the cake?

99 Silhouette  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:46:20pm

You gotta fight

For your right

to Jiiihad

100 St. Pancake  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:50:07pm

98 hockeymum
For whom, or to whom did you is the cake intended?

101 hayseed  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:50:27pm

can any one tell me does this get you there
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

102 St. Pancake  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:50:48pm

oops, my sentence did not make sense.

did you intend the cake?

103 storagemanager  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:51:11pm

More about the twilight Zone...er...I mean Islam...More from leaving Islam , another great book on Mohammads insanity...er..I mean peace...After reading the koran I was overtaken by a great depression. It was hard to accept all that.At first I started denying and seeking esoteric meanings to the apparent verses of the koran.But it wasnt possible. The weight of the proof was too big. I found out that Khomeini was right, that the Taliban believe in the real Islam, that what I used to think of Islam was not the real Islam at all. I found out that Islam teachs nothing but hate...ALI SINA..Leaving Islam...(And why do people leave Islam...cause they understand that hate and murder...rape and pillage...are not what a just GOD would ask of his people.)

104 hockeymum  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:52:31pm

Um, I think you should be providing the cake, Saint. I'll be bringing the sticks and pucks.

105 hayseed  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:53:06pm

no it does not i'll figure it out. get a bigger hammer.

106 St. Pancake  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:54:52pm

104 hockeymum
I will provide the cake for Realwest and you. Hehe!

107 cbinflux  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:56:16pm

The Vatican takes notice: IMHO, this is huge.
[Link: www.zenit.org...]
Vatican Unease Over Islamic Countries
Clear Talk About Problems Facing Christians

Persecution of Christians in Islamic countries makes the news almost daily, and the Vatican is concerned...
He first addressed the issue of migration from Islamic countries. The Holy See, he noted, has often defended the need for migrants to be able to freely follow their religious beliefs. This freedom includes the possibility to practice their religion, or even to change their faith. For their part, migrants should respect the laws and values of the society in which they now live, including the local religious values...
The faith factor, he noted, is becoming more and more important in the debate over migration...
The problems posed by the radicalization of Islam range from Christians being unjustly subjected to trials by Islamic tribunals, to a lack of freedom in constructing places of worship and obstacles for the practice of faith.

The Vatican representative criticized Islamic countries for ignoring the concept of reciprocity, common in relations among states, when it comes to matters of faith. Islamic countries, he noted, demand religious rights for their citizens who migrate to other countries, but ignore this principle for non-Muslim immigrants present in their own lands.

Strategy detailed

What should the Church do in the face of these difficulties? Archbishop Lajolo outlined recommendations:

-- Faced with Islam the Church is called to live its own identity to the full, without backing down and by taking clear and courageous positions to affirm Christian identity. Radical Islamists, the prelate warned, take advantage of every sign they interpret as weakness.

-- We should also be open to dialogue, whether with individual nations or within the United Nations or other organizations.

-- An underlying problem in dealing with Islamic nations is the lack of separation between religion and the state. Part of the dialogue with Islamic religious and political authorities should be aimed at helping to develop a separation between these two spheres.

-- A particularly sensitive point is that of respect for minorities and for human rights, especially religious rights. The Holy See will continue to speak out at international meetings for the human rights of migrants. For its part the international community should ensure that humanitarian organizations do not unduly pressure recipients of aid to change religion.

-- The Holy See will continue to declare its firm opposition to all attempts to exploit religion by using it to justify terrorism and violence.

-- The protection of Christians in Islamic countries is particularly difficult in the area ranging from Turkey to the Middle East. Solutions must be found for the many Christians who flee their country of residence in search of safety.

-- Muslims who live in predominantly Christian countries should be integrated into the nation.

-- The Catholic media can play an important role in educating Christians, including those living in Islamic countries.

-- The Roman Curia together with bishops' conferences and local churches need to work closely together in these matters, including looking at the way to spread the Gospel in the Islamic world. This is our duty and our right, concluded Archbishop Lajolo.

British view (cont'd)

108 deadmaus  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:56:26pm

#101 hayseed

I think it worked..I got to the BBC forum but topic/thread was deleted.

109 hockeymum  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:56:29pm

Methinks(!) Realwest deserves some cake.

110 St. Pancake  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:58:18pm

109 hockeymum
Cake for the oppressed lizardoids!

111 mich-again  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:58:24pm

This situation underlies an even bigger question: just what constitutes a "religion"? Though I'm unsure of how the law works in the UK, here in the USA, the Government spends a great deal of the taxpayers'money subsidizing religion. Not in direct subsidies, mind you, but by granting religious organizations a tax-exempt status for the far-flung operations which include chuches, schools, swimming pools, gymnasiums, banquet halls, stadiums, and who knows what else.

So with such a sweet deal available out there, what are the legal limits that prevent people from just showing up at City Hall claiming to be founders of some new religion and looking for a piece of the action tax-exempt status. Would the Church of the Sub-Genius get tax exempt status for their office space? What about Wiccans? Druids? Perhaps there is a list of official religions that merit tax exemption, along withg a guideline for admitting new religions to the list, but I doubt it.

Which brings me to my original question, is Islam even a religion. I don't think it is. Its a collectivist cult.

112 Fjordman  Sun, May 28, 2006 5:58:42pm

Claws, tongues sharp in beauty salon brawl

Fake nails and women’s shoes were flying as a bloody claw fight erupted at a Dorchester salon after one primping patron allegedly screamed at a woman bantering in Spanish, “Speak English! This is America!”

113 deadmaus  Sun, May 28, 2006 6:00:32pm

#105 hayseed


Is this the page you wanted us to look at?

114 hayseed  Sun, May 28, 2006 6:00:33pm

really folks the only place i learned to cut and paste was in first grade. but i will learn. so be nice,no joke

hayseed

115 hayseed  Sun, May 28, 2006 6:01:36pm

yes thank you

116 hockeymum  Sun, May 28, 2006 6:01:44pm

Mich

Indeed a cult. It is based on a single, unalterable, unquestionable text. There is no room for interpretation or variance.

117 St. Pancake  Sun, May 28, 2006 6:01:47pm

112 Fjordman
Lol! Fighting women is nothing to sneer at. We can get downright ugly. We are not Swedes, obviousley.
:D

118 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Sun, May 28, 2006 6:03:15pm

A rather different sort of religious leader visited Auschwitz today. From Benedict's speech there:

The rulers of the Third Reich wanted to crush the entire Jewish people, to cancel it from the register of the peoples of the earth. Thus the words of the Psalm: "We are being killed, accounted as sheep for the slaughter" were fulfilled in a terrifying way.

Deep down, those vicious criminals, by wiping out this people, wanted to kill the God who called Abraham, who spoke on Sinai and laid down principles to serve as a guide for mankind, principles that are eternally valid. If this people, by its very existence, was a witness to the God who spoke to humanity and took us to himself, then that God finally had to die and power had to belong to man alone -- to those men, who thought that by force they had made themselves masters of the world. By destroying Israel, they ultimately wanted to tear up the taproot of the Christian faith and to replace it with a faith of their own invention: faith in the rule of man, the rule of the powerful.

119 St. Pancake  Sun, May 28, 2006 6:05:08pm

118 It's Miss Donna V. to you
Ah, thanks for the timely words. Good timing for this type of speech, imho.

120 Promethea  Sun, May 28, 2006 6:06:38pm

#10 Cartman . . .

How many times do the dhimmis need to be told, in clear and concise English the evil and madness they are aiding and abetting?

La la la I can't hear you (putting hands over ears).

/LLLs and British/European equivalents

121 hayseed  Sun, May 28, 2006 6:08:00pm

#113 deadmaus it is the muslim board- memorial day thread. hate to confuse

122 deadmaus  Sun, May 28, 2006 6:12:47pm

Oh no not again. Cockraoches this time.

Iran Azeris protest over cartoon

There have been demonstrations in several parts of north-west Iran, with thousands of ethnic Azeris protesting at a newspaper cartoon.

found the cartoon, such as it is.

123 deadmaus  Sun, May 28, 2006 6:14:00pm

#113 hayseed

Thanks for that...interesting

124 Promethea  Sun, May 28, 2006 6:14:11pm

#118 Miss Donna . . .

Hello! I'm glad to see you here. I notice that you are "Saint Donna" on the Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler. You've been promoted! Congratulations.

Hope things are going well with you.

125 Fjordman  Sun, May 28, 2006 6:14:16pm

For once, an interesting article at the NYT:

Why the Democratic Ethic of the World Wide Web May Be About to End

This democratic Web did not just happen. Sir Tim Berners-Lee, the British computer scientist who invented the Web in 1989, envisioned a platform on which everyone in the world could communicate on an equal basis. But his vision is being threatened by telecommunications and cable companies, and other Internet service providers, that want to impose a new system of fees that could create a hierarchy of Web sites. Major corporate sites would be able to pay the new fees, while little-guy sites could be shut out.

126 Earth2moonbat  Sun, May 28, 2006 6:17:21pm

#125 Fjordman

And if they don't succeed in strangling the internet, the EU wants to tax email and IM. It's too tempting a target for those who think that the world exists to serve government.

127 hayseed  Sun, May 28, 2006 6:17:52pm

#123 deadmaus thanks for your reply i will get it some day

128 deadmaus  Sun, May 28, 2006 6:32:23pm

#127 hayseed

you can either highlight the word you want to use as the link and click on "link" or click link and put the word you want to click on ( link with ) here

Hope this works for you.

129 mattm  Sun, May 28, 2006 6:34:31pm

This dosen't suprize me. If this happened in the US CAIR and the ACLU would support the Muslimsterroists.

130 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Sun, May 28, 2006 7:06:20pm

Hi, Promethea! Good to see you too.

Actually, I've been the "saintly Donna V." (LOL!)over there at Rottweiler since the blog started. The blog owner, "Misha" who used to be just plain "Mike," and I used to amuse ourselves by trolling a brain-dead LLL site called "Warbloggerwatch." I urged Mike to start his own blog and he did - and dubbed me his blog mama. That was back in 2002 or so.

I screwed up my Type Key account somehow and can't post over there (the same thing happened at Tim Blair's blog.). That would distress me more if I had more time to read blogs these days. As it is, other things are keeping me busy.

I hope you're doing alright. I really need to get back down to Chi-town for a visit one of these days.

131 christheprofessor  Sun, May 28, 2006 7:10:31pm

#125 Fjordman

That is scary. Can you imagine how life would have been if the powerful would have been able to impose a tax on roads? (hey, wait a minute...)

132 Ojoe  Sun, May 28, 2006 7:57:55pm

Go Fiona Mactaggart! ANY sane society has to have laws on the books outlawing incitement to violence; and as a practical matter, enforcing those laws would prohibit all the bad forms of islam.

If Mr. Pasha whines about it, you've got him.

Deport, deport.

133 Ban Draoi  Sun, May 28, 2006 8:43:41pm

The pope's description of the kind of rule that the Nazis wanted outside of the law of G-d kinda matches Islam, doesn't it?

All of the talk about bringing the whole world into submission to "allah" (I refuse to acknowledge what they worship as G-d; it is a demon) is a bunch of hooey. What they REALLY want is for everyone to bow down to them. Why do you think they hate Americans so badly? Because we refuse to submit to them.

As for me and my husband and family, we will serve the L-rd our G-d. We will NEVER submit to the demon "allah" or to his minions.

134 Spiny Norman  Sun, May 28, 2006 8:55:11pm

#125 Fjordman

First Kofi and his gang of thieves at the UN wanted a piece of the Internet economy, now the service providers want a bigger share... Competition genuinely limits what they stick the end user for, so now they're after the content provider.

Swell.

135 Nordish12  Mon, May 29, 2006 2:00:14am

It is interesting that the British Government is always consulting the Muslim community with such matters, but has never consulted the native British people on whether they wanted a multicultural society, complete with millions of Muslims. Clearly, the British people would have said "No" in such a referendum, if there ever was one.

136 Sevoguy  Mon, May 29, 2006 2:10:32am

Ram these new anti-terrorism laws down the clerics throats. START OFF WITH

137 Ben B  Mon, May 29, 2006 2:54:45am

Anything that curbs Mohammedan expansionism is deemed oppression; this was so right from the earliest times. (The Mohammedan genome is completely predictable; that is why, ultimately, the beast will become extinct.)

138 SpiritOf1683  Mon, May 29, 2006 3:48:30am

When will it become our right to send him back to Pakistan?

139 derek  Mon, May 29, 2006 7:31:54am

#1

I was ready to post the exact thing. Looks like LGF'ers think alike - for the most part.

140 DP111  Mon, May 29, 2006 12:07:58pm

In the muslim viewpoint, not being allowed to teach Jihad, effectively means not being able to teach the central message of the koran. This is definitely a very serious attack on the freedom of muslims to peacefully practice their religion.

How the British government squares this law while at the same time appeasing all things muslim, is going to be the farce of the year.

141 DP111  Mon, May 29, 2006 12:15:46pm

There has been another disaster in Indonesia and Western nations are rushing aid to the Indonesian government. I need hardly remind anyone here, that such aid is usually siphoned off by corrupt officials, and the remainder is given to muslims, while Christians are chased off and told to go to Western Christian countries.

The Barnabus Fund exists to alleviate this manifest injustice, and is appealing for donations to help Christians, some 180,000 in number in the affected area.

[Link: www.barnabasfund.org...]

142 DP111  Mon, May 29, 2006 12:35:52pm

Nordish12

Clearly, the British people would have said "No" in such a referendum, if there ever was one.

And so would have all Western countries. And now they dare not ask.

143 EE  Mon, May 29, 2006 5:24:19pm

If the law is not used to counter jihad terrorism, then it will prove to be a pretty stupid and irrelevant law.

Do these jihadis want to have a special exception to the war on terror, to excuse jihad terrorism? Almost all of the terrorism in the world in this 21st century has been jihad terrorism. To give it a pass would be to excuse almost all terrorism.

144 EE  Mon, May 29, 2006 5:31:10pm

The jihadis need to be told that in the lands of the infidel, the right of survival against jihad trumps the right to carry out jihad.


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