So the rats are coming out of the closet. Good. Hopefully this will get wide coverage (but only on Fox, I fear.)

1 rabidfox

Don't worry, Charles will reach MILLIONS !

Of course, all of us lizard minions need to pass on the information ...

Who is surprised about this ... raise your hands ...

* no one moving yet *

/thought so

An honest Moonbat is refreshing compared to what we see from the Democrat leaders.

Can we question their patriotism now?

I always knew the cowardly left never supported us. I know the libs at work are in stunned disbelief that I just reenlisted in the National Guard for another six years. "How could a scientist with a Ph.D. be so stupid as to reenlist during this 'illegal' war?"

You are welcome (even though libs don't understand why I say that).

Yep. Killing Zarq finally pushed them over the edge of madness.

And when you stare too long into the abyss, the abyss stares back into you.. -Frederick Nietzsche

Quoted from the KOS Diatribe errr "Diary"

"Conservatives are afraid of everything, including their big, white, fatcat shadows."

Now Damn ... Did someone change the script?

I thought WE were the racists?

F'n Airheads!

"It’s a semantic albatross."

Give that man a cigar! He finally gets the contradiction the left is caught in - and then comes out against the troops. At least he's more honest than the rest of the moonbats.

“Zarqawi felt my son’s breath on his hand as held the knife against his throat. Zarqawi had to look in his eyes when he did it. George Bush sits there glassy-eyed in his office with pieces of paper and condemns people to death. That to me is a real terrorist.”
—Michael Berg

Behold the clearest example of moral bankruptcy I have heard for a long time.

does moonbat lunacy make you angry?

It doesn't make me angry, though it used to.

Thanks, Charles.

The liberals smell failure. They won the Vietnam War for their side and they damn well want to win the Iraq War for their side as well. Unfortunately they can see it slipping out of their fingers.

Scroll though the comments on Half Of You Will Hate Me For This. You could count the objecting Koskidz on one hand, the rest seemed to feel great relief for not having to keep up the charade anymore.

Charles,

Can you please forward this story to Rush Limbaugh? I bet he would make a big deal of it on his 20,000,000-listener radio show.

The radical left needs to get its agenda straight.

Does the U.S. need to be doing a better job protecting and rebuilding the new Iraqi government? Should the troops all come home? Basically they're split between saying the U.S. has a moral responsibility to care for the poor, beleagered Iraqis (since, after all, we killed their beloved papa Saddam, the philanthropist extraordinaire), or the U.S. troops are causing (yea, even encouraging) the deaths of Iraqi civilians, and therefore should be withdrawn immediately.

Also, global warming (yes, Katrina was a plot by the big oil companies and George Bush to kill black people in the South), civil war in Iraq (because they got along so well before we showed up), racism (see global warming), privacy (for terrorists, but not for celebrities, politicians, or real criminals like pedophiles), and, um... social security?

Those who oppose the war in Iraq but who nonetheless feel compelled to express “support” for “our troops” might reflect that, without those troops, there would be no war

He's right. If we never stand up to anyone and give in to every request from others, then there would be no need to fight.

Its all so clear to me now.

Let me go right out and get my copy of "Sharia for beginners".

OT

Iraq war foe Murtha eyes Democratic leadership

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Rep. John Murtha, an outspoken opponent of the war in Iraq, unexpectedly announced on Friday he will run for the No. 2 leadership post in the U.S. House of Representatives if Democrats regain control of that chamber in elections this fall.

...

Murtha, a hawk on military matters who started out as a supporter of the Iraq war, soured on the conflict and went public with his criticism last November, calling for an American troop withdrawal.

un huh

OT Heroin

Has anyone notice that tainted heroin deaths are
a problem?

Chicago

Pittsburgh

St. Louis

Do a Google. There's something going down here. You don't KILL YOUR Customers. The Taliban keeps the poppy business alive. The Islamists are picking off junkies.

For all Bush's faults, Kos is lucky that GWB isn't how the left claims he is.

Daily Kos: Half Of You Will Hate Me For This.

No, ALL of me will hate you for this.

Kos: Anyone now in the American armed forces is there because s/he volunteered.

Kos figgered that out all by himself.

So, does Kos' indictment include Bubbah's bombing of Belgrade?

Hey Kos kids another one of those dashing freedom fighters got snuffed,oh well better find another one to get wet over.BTW Bergs dad have stockholm syndrome or what, I asked my dad what his dad did in ww2 when my uncle was killed,i asked my mom who's younger brother died in vietnam what her parents did;they mourned and resumed their lives they never thought some machiavellian plot was afoot.They never called the CIC a terrorist etc. and NEVER sided with the enemy. Hell old man berg sounds like he'd like to pass out b.j's to the men that murdered his son.{yes i know vulgar and uncalled for)screw these morbid freaks who use the death of a son or daughter to get their fifteen minutes.So to Mr. Berg I say F>%$# You weak tit moron.

Chopping Block Candidates:

1) Kos

2) Michael Berg

Too bad zarqawi didn't make their acquaintance!

Quislings.

Their attitude would have gotten us continued slavery in the American South, even more people shoveled into ovens by hitler, and it did get us all the skulls piled up by pol pot.

*Spit*

The “diaries” at Daily Kos are where the Nutroots base gets to test new ideas and see if they’ll float in the wider moonbat community, and two new diary posts (prompted by the Zarqawi smash) are jumping right out there and admitting (get ready for a shock) they don’t support the troops at all!

If these diaries are the "best" they can come with, here's what this guy would say:

[Link: www.ctgilles.net...]

You're a semi-moonbat. You're a quasi-moonbat. You're the margarine of moonbattiness. You're the diet coke of moonbattiness. Just one calorie--not batty enough!

OT

The protein wisdom interview: Abu Musab al-Zarqawi

protein wisdom: “For instance, a question I bet a lot of my readers would be interested in hearing your answer to is, why did you target Iraqi civilians if what you were trying to do was win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi population?”

al-Zarqawi:

protein wisdom: “I mean, was it to try to foment a civil war?—which, if that happens, will likely happen thanks to years of brutal Sunni-Ba’athist oppression of the majority Shia and not because al Qaeda fooled anyone into thinking their attacks were anything other than pure barbarism. Or was there something else involved? Some other grand strategy?”

al-Zarqawi:

protein wisdom: “-- Like, I dunno, maybe the real target of your attacks was the Western media, which has shown itself to be easily manipulated toward anti-war sentiment by ‘insurgent’ brutality. Something along those lines.”

al-Zarqawi:

protein wisdom: “Yes? No? Maybe...?”

al-Zarqawi:

protein wisdom: “Hello...?”

al-Zarqawi:

protein wisdom: “Or perhaps you’re one of those cats who just likes to blow shit up...?”

al-Zarqawi:

This response to Half Of You Will Hate Me For This is even worse than Michael Berg...

elveta actually says this

" I SUPPORT PEACE, JUSTICE, AND EQUALITY. I SUPPORT BRINGING THE TROOPS HOME. I SUPPORT IMPEACHEMENT." I do not belive that that makes either one us assholes. Go back to the beginning. Iraq was an illegal war from the getgo. There is nothing that could happen to make it a legal war.

and then has this for a footer:

"The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country..." - Thomas Paine

wth?

What to Kos and Hamas have in common? Neither one bothers with taqiyya anymore.

“Zarqawi felt my son’s breath on his hand as held the knife against his throat. Zarqawi had to look in his eyes when he did it. George Bush sits there glassy-eyed in his office with pieces of paper and condemns people to death. That to me is a real terrorist.”
—Michael Berg

What a piece of work. This guy makes Cindy Sheehan look like a paragon of reason and sanity.

All this carefully calculated discussion of Zarqawi’s death is revealing just what a dialectical stranglehold the Right has over us right now. It’s great that a scumbag like that is dead, lord knows he deserves to rot in hell, but do we have to pour it on extra thick just to satisfy the Right’s bloodlust? Just to prove that We Support the Troops too? I’m sick of hedging every argument through their prism that being liberal means being anti-American. It’s a semantic albatross. The only way to get it from around our necks is to rip the sucker off, not to keep petting it and hope that it will fly away and leave us one day.

Oh my God- a dialectical stranglehold to satisfy the right's bloodlust- a semantic albatross- DO NOT PET THE SEMANTIC ALBATROSS!

Back to English 60, bonehead.

JWM

#22 lastofourkind

Sort of struck a chord ... did it dude...

Take deep breaths ... that's it ... your cool.
I'm wid you man.
Here have a cyber beer ... "SNAP" ...

I would like the hear what these melvins think a LEGAL war would be, one that was in Europe at the behest of Europeans? And it infuriates me to no end the lack of culpability (scare quotes) that the Left puts on its own party.

Duped. We were duped. Over and over. Still. By that moron Bush. We support our troups. Except the ones in now, in this illegal war.

How can you believe the sh*t they do with your head not exploding? Honestly.

This idiot manages to make Nick Berg's degenerate father statement even more contemptible.

jwm (#30),

DO NOT PET THE SEMANTIC ALBATROSS!

Rotating title material.

At what point do they start advocating fragging AKA Ward Churchill (I believe it was him I'm thinking of)?

Or have they already? I couldn't click the links to read the rest. I just ate and I'd like to keep it down.

*ala, not AKA Ward Churchill. My acronyms are all off tonight...

#18 jrdroll

this happens from time to time. its just a very strong batch. ie highly pure plus mixed with some fentanyl for good measure.

" do we have to lay it on extra thick to satisfy the right's bloodlust?"

Yeah...but laying on Abu Grab, Gitmo, CIA prisons, secret spy programs and now Haditha to satisfy the liberals blood lust is OK.

It's not fair! Haditha was OUR turn! George Bush and Karl Rove stole the headlines! Everybody knows they had the actor posing as Zarqawi on ice to pull out whenever Tom DeLay was in trouble.

/channeling froathing moonbat

#27 kirly

and then has this for a footer:

"The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country..." - Thomas Paine

wth?

Methinks elveta, our summer blogger and sunshine quisling, thinks he his bravely serving his/her country by posting anonymous troop-bashing comments on a whack-job blog...

#28 Earth2moonbat
*rimshot*

I’m sick of hedging every argument through their prism that being liberal means being anti-American. It’s a semantic albatross. The only way to get it from around our necks is to rip the sucker off, not to keep petting it and hope that it will fly away and leave us one day

.

By definition, a liberal is a socialist. A socialist beleives in strong central government to control the major arteries of commerce and indutrsy so that everyone has a fair shake. Socialism punishes the industrious and rewards sloth, according to Churchill. The liberals want more governmental controls to further their agends. In that view, they ARE anti-American.

The founding fathers NEVER wanted a strong central government with the power to control the activities of daily living. Socialism was not what they had in mind at all. This is something that has to be thrown in the libs' faces again and and again. The are anti-American in that respect.

"That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made
And crowns for convoy put into his purse:
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day."

Shakespear, Henry V, Act 4

44 pat

Bro', this one should also go on the thread with the ragin' wogs in Londinastan.

The Brits had better remember the lions of their heritage or else.

This sh_t depresses me to no end. If even 5% of my countryman believe this crap, well, I'm bunkering in for the long haul. Just too damn much to deal with.

#32 rayra

If the Democrats get back into power (ghua--god help us all), I can almost guarantee they will reinstate the draft. They are rampant collectivists and believe that the individual should be forced to sacrifice himself for the almighty Collective.

(As opposed to individuals willing to voluntarily put their lives on the line for their country, and for posterity. There's a huge difference.)

Same Sh*t, different day for these folks!

I love this...

To me this is the essence of being a liberal -- addressing the problems of the day with a can-do attitude, a sense that we can overcome, we can achieve, and we can create a better society.

Notice how there is never a concrete idea on 'how'.

That's the great thing about being a liberal. You get to feel good about wanting to do good without actually ever having to come up with an idea and see it through to completion.

#38 adam henry

this happens from time to time. its just a very strong batch. ie highly pure plus mixed with some fentanyl for good measure.

Sorry killing your customer isn't good business.
This came out of Detroit. Large Arab pop.

other major cities in recent weeks and comes in stamp bags with the name "Get high or die trying" -- such as the ones confiscated in Pittsburgh.

[Link: www.pittsburghlive.com...]

We need an FNDT. This is definitely NOT an FNDT.

As a conservative, my responsibility is to address my own problems and leave everyone else alone to address his or hers, offering to help where I can and to support the common good (law and order, schools, libraries, roads, etc)

However, society rises from individuals; society does NOT create individuals except in reaction to it.

#43 calcajun
.
By definition, a liberal is a socialist.

Not quite. In the 19th century, a "liberal" was one who believed in individual liberty and economic liberty, i.e., free-market capitalism. The "conservatives" of that time supported hereditary nobility and thought the economy should be run by the landed aristocracy rather than by individual entrepreneurs.

Under that definition, in the Civil War, the Northerners were liberals and the Southerners were conservatives.

Somewhere along the line, around the mid-20th century, the definitions were turned on their heads. Nowadays, a liberal is a socialist, who believes in government control of the economy. A modern conservative, meanwhile, supports free-market capitalism.

from Half Of You Will Hate Me For This...

It's time to take a stand and grow a pair. Fuck it! I'll say it! I don't support the troops. Not the ones in Haditha. Not the ones in Guantanamo. And definitely not the ones at the Pentagon. To the grunts on the ground I hope you return safely and soon but that doesn't mean I approve of what you're doing there. I'm sorry you're being ordered to kill and create chaos; I know it's not your fault, but regardless, I don't support it.
"Screw them" has become more than a catch phrase, now it a philosophy.

Whats sad is they dont understand the Jihad wants to destroy America...not just the Red parts...all of America...I hate the fact that more will have to die...before petty little selfish people wake up and see that other people matter also...but maybe those kind of people never wake up.

I think staying out of country where there are people who want to cut your head off is a start...

It is too hard for Mr. Berg to admit that his son made a grave error. Mr. Berg is a classic narcissist. It is easier for him to blame George Bush than the terrorists, because to blame the terrorists would also lay some of the blame on his son for putting himself in harm's way.

The left looked the other way last century as marxist governments murdered between 170 and 200 million of their own citizens.

Mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, lovers, poets, bakers, teachers, daughters, children, priests, parishoners, gays, lawyers, soldiers, sons, uncles, aunts, cousins, librarians, farmers, scholars, nieces, musicians, all by the millions slain -- while the liberals looked the other way, or like the modern apologists aided and abetted the greatest evil of last century and of all time.

Did you expect anything different from them this century?

#2 ctrlt I can attest to the power of Charles minions... I posted a link to one silly post on my blog in a comment thread and got more hits than I have all week, although I religiously tag and ping all articles.
#5 superdave: Thanks for your past service, and thank you for your persistence and courage. Stay safe friend.

#32 rayra
Traitors - and so fucked up in the head, so programmed with deconstructionist garbage, that they can't even conceive of how desperately damaged they actually are.

What always mystifies me is how in the hell do they get that way? What disconnects upstairs that they believe all that shit. Truly baffles me.

Dear Troops,

You don't need these shitbags approval for anything.

Amalie

"I don't approve"

"They don't have my approval"

I, I, I, me, me, me... ... ...

And what is this talk about truly honest moonbats? If they are going to tell the truth, do it all the way..

They do not, nor did they ever, give a rat's ass about the country of Iraqi, nor the people who live there.

Qur’an:2:216 “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.” [Another translation reads:] “Warfare is ordained for you.” ...( but only the red parts of america...you cant cut off any heads that belong to kos kids...ok...good deal mr insane islamic zombie monster...)

Ann Coulter quotes:

Liberals become indignant when you question their patriotism, but simultaneously work overtime to give terrorists a cushion for the next attack and laugh at dumb Americans who love their country and hate the enemy.

Usually the nonsense liberals spout is kind of cute, but in wartime their instinctive idiocy is life-threatening.

Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America's self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant.

While the form of treachery varies slightly from case to case, liberals always manage to take the position that most undermines American security.

Liberals hate America, they hate "flag-wavers," they hate abortion opponents, they hate all religions except Islam (post 9/11). Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do. They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor plumbing by now.

Gotta love that straight talking woman!

Brilliant.

The Dems unveil their strategy in '06

Make histories most anti American, defeatist, traitorous, visciously anti-military "vet" the Speaker of the House!

Liberalism for our politicians is based on hiding who they are, because if they were honest they would never win a single election in this country.

These guys and gals, genius's that they are, are starting to realize that they arent politicians and they can say what they want. I find it hilarious when I'm reading their "diaries" twisting themselves into nots trying to "frame" issues. Your only fooling the uninterested and the idiot's. What really cracks me up is when you whine and cry that the media doesnt cover your stupid protests.

I wished they carried the whole things live on primetime t.v. Instead of edited with commentary from the anchors and reporterette's. Zombie's photo essays have been incredibly telling.

I have respect for being honest, I have no respect for what their honesty represents.

#57 storagemanager

I do believe that this is the first post I've read from you that didn't quote scripture.

Don't get me wrong, I do like your scripture posts, the same as I like Eds weather posts. But this is new for you...Bravo!

"Simply put, if today’s troops would behave only as George II did during his own military service—that is, go AWOL—there would be no one available to prosecute the war.
Press-ganged troops, like any prisoners, deserve support. But none of these troops have been press-ganged. This is not Vietnam. There is no draft. Anyone now in the American armed forces is there because s/he volunteered"

Even for a Kossack, that's some mighty hefty cognitive dissonance just 4 sentences apart!
:-)

Rayra, You are sooo right. When the Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean faction take complete control the political devastation will be complete. I think "Thank you" cards will be in order from all of us at LGF.

If the Democrats get back into power (ghua--god help us all), I can almost guarantee they will reinstate the draft. They are rampant collectivists and believe that the individual should be forced to sacrifice himself for the almighty Collective.

Who knew they were Daleks?

(Okay, maybe that's because I'm watching Dr Who right now.)

#66 TMF

Not speaker...Majority Leader.

This would be the new Speaker!

thank you #68...but I never call the koran scripture...only the BIBLE.

You know, someone should explain to these blissfully ignorant yahoos, if it's even possible, especially Michael Berg, that we don't all live in a Yellow Submarine.

/and the jihadis defineitely don't know the words to Kumbaya

#72 DesertSage

MY Eyes! Damn you! MY EYES!

The koran...I call the dirty book of lies.

Daily Kos: Half Of You Will Hate Me For This.

Probably a lot more than that, if you were talking LGF.

I've seriously had enough of this crap. If the eee-vil right wing facist dictatorship they're always whining about actually materializes some day, they damn well better not count on me to lift a finger to help them when someone who is captial 'E' evil decides to put them all up against the wall.

But hell, who cares what I think, I'm just an "uneducated racist cracker".

#68

#57 storagemanager

I do believe that this is the first post I've read from you that didn't quote scripture.

Don't get me wrong, I do like your scripture posts, the same as I like Eds weather posts. But this is new for you...Bravo!

Ditto that bravo.

I like storagemanagers scripture posts too.

#79 Tim in PA 6/9/2006 06:34PM PDT

I've seriously had enough of this crap. If the eee-vil right wing facist dictatorship they're always whining about actually materializes some day, they damn well better not count on me to lift a finger to help them when someone who is captial 'E' evil decides to put them all up against the wall.

But hell, who cares what I think, I'm just an "uneducated racist cracker".

You are? You certainly know how to form sentences and convey your thoughts.

But what do I know, I'm just a "plantation Latina."

storagemanager

The koran...I call the dirty book of lies.

i also call it the book of the devil!

Daily Kos: Half Of You Will Hate Me For This.

I am not sure which half of me hates them.

Koskidz won't support the troops but they will support convicted terrorists...

The Department of Precrime and The Thought Police

Most people (Koskidz-ed), haven't followed the "Virginia Jihad" case, sometimes referred to as "the paintball gang" case. You probably think it was about a group of American Muslims who were training for terrorist activities against the United States...

When you consider this in the context of the NSA's data mining program, it is clear we are looking at a department of pre-crime dedicated to convicting suspects of thought crimes...

If the government can put people in jail for life for exercising their second amendment rights based on what they were thinking... what makes you think they can't put you in jail for exercising any other right based on what they believe you are thinking?

How dare we violate these peace loving jihadis their 2nd ammendment right to bear arms and form militias simply because they were also exercising their 1st ammendement right to wage jihad.
This was the top recommended diary at dkos yesterday. They never cease to amaze me.

Mr Berg is an idiot and a disgrace to his family and country.

It is the illogical and morally inverted tripe spewed by people like him that gives the terrorists the inspiration they need to continue on their present course. When the terrorists hear them they think they are winning the propoganda war. They conclude that murdering and bombing more civilians is the way to go. It's time these people were told that they have a lot of innocent blood on their hands.

Yep, they support our troops alright.

/Mike Shelton/Orange County Register

Here is Islam in a nutshell...from the Bible...The child grew and was weaned, and on the day Isaac was weaned Abraham held a great feast. 9 But Sarah saw that the son whom Hagar the Egyptian had borne to Abraham was mocking, 10 and she said to Abraham, "Get rid of that slave woman and her son, for that slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac."

11 The matter distressed Abraham greatly because it concerned his son. 12 But God said to him, "Do not be so distressed about the boy and your maidservant. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned. 13 I will make the son of the maidservant into a nation also, because he is your offspring...Gen 21:8-13...( If you ask a muslim...the promise of GOD came thru Ishmael...Ask a Jew or A Christian it is thru Isaac...that is major)

#4 DesertSage 6/9/2006 05:37PM PDT
Can we question their patriotism now?

I stopped questioning their patriotism when I realized that they didn’t have any patriotism in the first place.

". . .without those troops, there would be no war."

Wrong. Every nation has an army. If not it's own, sombody else's.

There is a Latin phrase, don't have it at my fingertips, to the effect: "They make a desert and call it peace."

What fools.

Okay, back to skulking with intent to lurk.

How are all these "progressives" gonna switch a bedrock principle of theirs all at the same time? It will be impossible to convince all of these patriotic Americans to stop supporting our troops!

Their heads are going to explode if this Haditha thing doesn't pan out the way they want.

DO NOT PET THE SEMANTIC ALBATROSS!

# 85 KT

Memo to Kos kidz -- the virginia jihadis committed crimes. Tom Cruise and his posse did not drop from the sky and stop them before they did the deeds.

/why do I bother?

There once was a man from the left,
Who, of morals was clearly bereft.

His words were obscene,
Only meant to demean,

MSM would consider him deft.

93 Buckaroo

Hi Buck...

Why do you bother? Why do I bother?

Mr Berg is an avowed pacifist. To be a pacifist is to be a COWARD. As a pacifist, they believe in NO war and NO resistance what-so-ever. In other words, they simply EXPECT others to do what-ever it takes to ensure THEIR existance. After-all, they're much to good to do anything to achieve their own security. That problem is left up to the "less-than-we-are" classes. Puking pig-sh_ts.

# 95 B G

I think we "care" or sumtin' crazy like that ...
:-)

A little scary to POSs like KOS, some enlisted for combat arms for a reason.

Don't be shy, if you don't support the combat arms, then say it.

Zarqawi felt my son’s breath on his hand as held the knife against his throat. Zarqawi had to look in his eyes when he did it

How deranged must one be to admire their sons murderer.

98 Buckaroo

Yes, we care. I have this thing inside of me, it is this desire to survive that comes alive when I see a threat to my existence.

#54 rickl

Under that definition, in the Civil War, the Northerners were liberals and the Southerners were conservatives.

I'm not sure I completly agree with you. In the mid 19th century the Republican party was formed for the purpose of opposing slavery, and most Republicans were northerners. The Democrat oppressors were in the south.

Just like todays Republicans, Lincoln believed that people should be free, and that sometimes war must be waged to liberate people (the slaves). The Southern Democrats (much like todays Democrats) believed that Blacks weren't capable of taking care of themselves, and therefore the good Southern Democrats would take care of their every need, even though it meant continuing slavery (much like todays welfare state).

Republican= Freedom, Liberty, Individualism.
Democrat= Oppression, Collectivism, Socialism.

#95 Bubble Girl 6/9/2006 06:45PM PDT

Why do you bother? Why do I bother?

Because sometimes they repent and rejoin the human race. And we have to work hard to make that happen. It's easy to give up -- they have already.

DO NOT PET THE SEMANTIC ALBATROSS!

Another rotating title nominee!

Why do you bother? Why do I bother? ...some wake up

#93 Buckaroo

why do I bother?

I made a few attempts this weekend to make meaningful contact with koskidz and used my troll account there to actually try to understand why they openly support the terrorists and hate the us military. As you can guess it didn't go well. I just don't understand their reflexive opposition to US military force yet support for terrorists. I was glad I tried, but I'm sticking with all you religious right wing neocons.

#107 addendum
...even storagemanager.

#100 easy

A good question. My father passed many years ago, but he was a FATHER, not a whining apoligist for POS terrorists. He taught me many things, the most important, protect your children, defend them with you life if need be.

For this man Berg to apologize for his own son's murderer is a complete perversion of the idea of fatherhood. And he's Jewish! I've never know a Jewish man to tacitly approve of his own son's murder.

My only word to him is "SHAME".

All your Zarqawi are belong to us!

Yuk! Yuk!

# 103 ray

Yep -- callers to the local p.m. drive-time show (which is actually hosted by a center-right guy) just hammered him one after the other yesterday -- I think the Murtha crowd has kinda quickly realized they've found an even more ill-fitting spokesperson than the sheehag ...
:-)
:-)

The real dilemma they face is that they intensely disagree with the direction of our government yet that government was elected by the US citizens. They are faced with three facts which can't all be true:

1) The people of the US are not evil.

2) The government represents the people of the US.

3) The government is doing evil.

For them, #3 is a given and they cling to it fiercely. This means they must choose between denying #1 or #2. After the 2004 elections and after no meaningful Vietnam-like breakdown of the willingness of people to remain in Iraq, #2 is getting more and more difficult to deny, so people are shifting towards denying #1. And this is the path of a left-wing jihad that will leave a core group of extremists to be more and more strongly allied with the Islamists, despite their enormous differences.

The behavior of the leftists in the US are typical of anyone who loses influence. For them, it's like driving a car and finding the brakes don't work, the steering wheel doesn't steer. So they frantically apply more and more force to the things which had worked in the past. The average person doesn't expect to control society. They provide their opinions, make their arguments, and then listen to the other opinions and arguments. But those who were in power still expect their steering wheel to control the country.

Aside from his foreign policy, Clinton had already adopted much of the conservative ways of viewing things. He understood basic economics. He was very good at straddling positions. I recall how impressed I was with his response to an arrogant question about abortion: Clinton basically said that reasonable, educated people disagree on basic assumptions regarding when life begins. Blammo, he grabbed the center.

At the time, leftists didn't know it, but their steering wheel and brakes were already largely non-functional. They were simply lulled into believing that they still had power and influence. George W. Bush didn't have that facade and it frightened leftists once again as Reagan did. They viewed the Reagan years as a temporary detour when it was a permanent turn that Clinton accepted, but was able to hide very well.

I believe the leftists of today will never change. They'll continue believing that they belong in charge, that their ideas are correct while the world leaves them behind. They'll be like some aging, ousted dictator still trying to live in the past. And they will only get crazier and crazier.

Murtha says he wants to be speaker -- now all the democrats have to do is win a bunch of elections and lose their remaining brain cells.

#107 addendum
...even storagemanager...hahahahahahahahahaha

#97 cheesehead

I agree. Check this out, from George Orwells 'Notes on Nationalism'. It seems that pacifists today are the same as they were in 1945:

(v) Pacifism. The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to the taking of life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists whose real though unadmitted motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration of totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writings of younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States. Moreover they do not as a rule condemn violence as such, but only violence used in defence of western countries. The Russians, unlike the British, are not blamed for defending themselves by warlike means, and indeed all pacifist propaganda of this type avoids mention of Russia or China. It is not claimed, again, that the Indians should abjure violence in their struggle against the British. Pacifist literature abounds with equivocal remarks which, if they mean anything, appear to mean that statesmen of the type of Hitler are preferable to those of the type of Churchill, and that violence is perhaps excusable if it is violent enough. After the fall of France, the French pacifists, faced by a real choice which their English colleagues have not had to make, mostly went over to the Nazis, and in England there appears to have been some small overlap of membership between the Peace Pledge Union and the Blackshirts. Pacifist writers have written in praise of Carlyle, one of the intellectual fathers of Fascism. All in all it is difficult not to feel that pacifism, as it appears among a section of the intelligentsia, is secretly inspired by an admiration for power and successful cruelty. The mistake was made of pinning this emotion to Hitler, but it could easily be retransfered.

#43 calcajun

The founding fathers NEVER wanted a strong central government with the power to control the activities of daily living.

Therein lies part of the problem. Liberals have long ago discounted and discredited (in their feeble minds) the legitimacy of the founding of this country, and the men who shaped it. Liberals waive off the Jeffersons and the Adams’ and the Franklins of that pivotal era as wealthy, racist white men, only interested in personal gain and the subjugation of the “common man”. The Constitution and the underlying principles upon which this country were founded are seen as irrelevant, and antiquated. Thus, they continue to challenge those foundations through modern “enlightened” courts. Hey, folks…let’s face it – it’s really nothing more than a repudiation of democracy and capitalism. Activism based on emotion, totally devoid of reflection or historical context.

#92 Redcoat

Their heads are going to explode if this Haditha thing doesn't pan out the way they want.

Funny you should mention that.

U.S. father visiting Haditha saw no sign of massacre

Haditha: Is McGirk the New Mary Mapes?

/are you a witch, do you float, are you laying the groundwork for another vast LLL/moonbatici conspiracy theory, are you Rove?

#113 DeliLama

Very well said, indeed.

#5 SuperdaveTWC

Just thought a "Thank You" was appropriate here.

Zarqawi felt my son’s breath on his hand as held the knife against his throat. Zarqawi had to look in his eyes when he did it. George Bush sits there glassy-eyed in his office with pieces of paper and condemns people to death. That to me is a real terrorist.”
—Michael Berg

The murder... I mean slaughter of Nicholas Berg was a turning point for me. Before that moment I admit that I was thinking perhaps there WERE "moderate" muslims. But something snapped inside me that day. I finally understood what evil was.
Zarqawi was a man whose conscience was seared. And I am glad he is dead.
Nicholas Berg's father, bless his heart, in my opinion, has gone mad. But the sad thing is, his madness only feeds the evil that killed his own son.

God help us.

#102 DesertSage

Republican= Freedom, Liberty, Individualism.
Democrat= Oppression, Collectivism, Socialism.

No, I think you exactly agree with me (or I with you). That's precisely the point I was trying to make. A 19th century "liberal" was quite a different animal than the 21st century version.

In the 1860's Republicans were liberals and Democrats were conservatives.

#113 Deli

Very insightful, that deserves to be a permanent post on a blog somewhere, you oughta beat it up a bit, plunk some links in and post it or submit it to someone.

CNN is already doing the moonbat reporting..."how could he have survived?...there was a firefight...etc."

How long before they accuse US troops of murdering this POS.

#47 rickl 6/9/2006 06:08PM PDT

If the Democrats get back into power (ghua--god help us all), I can almost guarantee they will reinstate the draft. They are rampant collectivists and believe that the individual should be forced to sacrifice himself for the almighty Collective.

(As opposed to individuals willing to voluntarily put their lives on the line for their country, and for posterity. There's a huge difference.)

I disagree in part; I think that if the Democrats reinstate the draft it will be used as a way to destroy the US military from within.

#116 jimmah

But-a-bing,but-a-bing. No cheeeat brother!
Thanks for the back-up.

#113 DeliLama
An excellent post.

#115 storagemanager
Glad you enjoyed.
:)

The regular Army signed up 5,806 new recruits last month, compared with its target of 5,400, and the Army National Guard and Army Reserve also exceeded their May goals, according to statistics released by the Pentagon.

Kos kids can suck on this before getting into their bunny rabbit shoes and security blankey.

Freedom and Security provided by the US Military.

To expand on my #122:

The 19th century definition of "liberal" was true and correct. The modern definition is twisted and distorted, like Newspeak.

It's Friday, you could probably use a laugh:

Kos Kids Koloring contest:

[Link: bensguide.gpo.gov...]

#27 Kirly 6/9/2006 05:53PM PDT
This response to Half Of You Will Hate Me For This is even worse than Michael Berg...

elveta actually says this

" I SUPPORT PEACE, JUSTICE, AND EQUALITY. I SUPPORT BRINGING THE TROOPS HOME. I SUPPORT IMPEACHEMENT." I do not belive that that makes either one us assholes. Go back to the beginning. Iraq was an illegal war from the getgo. There is nothing that could happen to make it a legal war.

and then has this for a footer:

"The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country..." - Thomas Paine

wth?

Kirly, elveta conveniently forgets the rest of the Thomas Paine quote from the American Crisis Papers (1776-1783). Paine was a supporter of the revolution and wrote throughout this period to rally public support:

These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered . . ."

[Link: literatrix.blogspot.com...]

Paine was a patriot, not an apologist for war.

/don't mess with an English major

You know what I love most about participating here at LGF? Rational, intellectual discourse. Of course, that’s not always the rule of the day, on a given thread. But if you have the intestinal fortitude to visit the rantblogs of the left, you will rarely (if ever) see continuity of thought or reasoning. For the most part, random blasts of bile-filled, emotionally-fueled innuendo and denial. Viva, LGF.

#125 Da_Beerfreak
I disagree in part; I think that if the Democrats reinstate the draft it will be used as a way to destroy the US military from within.

Ah! You are exactly right! I forgot to include that part. The other reason for the Dems to reinstate the draft is to turbocharge the antiwar movement. Just like Vietnam, which they so desperately want to conjure up.

I'm glad people liked my comment. I dropped it onto my other blog here. I did the same thing with another comment back in April.

#110 Dublin(CA)Dude

For this man Berg to apologize for his own son's murderer is a complete perversion of the idea of fatherhood

Unfathomable

"United we stand, divided we fall"

We are divided and need leadership to unite on common ground. We are the greatest country on this planet and it is time we act like it.

A nation under law not "flexible law". Corruption will bring down a great nation. There are many problems in government and many difficult issues to deal with. The "gotcha" political game is doing absolutely nothing to help this country. It is maintaining in dividing this country.

I think this site and the readers should back politicians you think can unite this country. You can have a voice like kos in the political arena.

(paraphrase)"i resent having to constantly fend off the smear that i don't support the troops, because i don't."

it really is striking the way progressives, after having all of their swords broken and veils torn away, have the supernatural lack of shame to actually believe themselves to be victimized.

from there they go to the refuge of what i call the "misfits fix up the community center" rationalization, which goes like, "i may not agree with their style, but they sure believe in what they're doing."

its a rock bottom conviction that they will always be forgiven by their victims, like an errant child, regardless of the cost of their most hate-based attacks.

#122 rickl

In the 1860's Republicans were liberals and Democrats were conservatives.

I know we agree, I'm just trying to wrap my brain around it.

The Republicans in 1860 believe in the same things as Republicans in 2006.
That is, if Bush was President then, he would have used military force to liberate the slaves, because Republicans believe in freedom.
If Lincoln was President today, he would have used military force to liberate the Afgan's and Iraqi's.

So if Republicans haven't changed their philosophy, what you're saying is that the definition of Liberalism has changed?

#134 Deli

Sent you a trackback on your post.

#136 joeplame

There are many problems in government and many difficult issues to deal with. The "gotcha" political game is doing absolutely nothing to help this country. It is maintaining in dividing this country.

You're back on your meds, again! Good for you, my friend! Most rational thought you've posted...uh...since you signed up here!

Go Left Go...go jump the shark! The more often, the louder, the more radical, the better. Normal people already think you are anti-American creeps and don't want anything to do with you. So, just keeping expanding your radical Marxist horizons...PLEASE. And may all your lefy politicians follow your lead to appease you.

#94 FQ Kafir

There once was a man from the left,
Who, of morals was clearly bereft.

His words were obscene,
Only meant to demean,

MSM would consider him deft.

sounds like alan colmes.

which reminds me...why does...alan colmes speak...with such...unnatural...pauses. what a weirdo. makes it impossible to watch hannity.

The head Kos Kid will be on "Meet The Press" this sunday.

Yeeech.

#138 DesertSage

6/9/2006 07:20PM PDT

In the 1860's Republicans were liberals and Democrats were conservatives.
I know we agree, I'm just trying to wrap my brain around it.

The Republicans in 1860 believe in the same things as Republicans in 2006.
That is, if Bush was President then, he would have used military force to liberate the slaves, because Republicans believe in freedom.
If Lincoln was President today, he would have used military force to liberate the Afgan's and Iraqi's.

So if Republicans haven't changed their philosophy, what you're saying is that the definition of Liberalism has changed?

Yes!

It probably has something to do with socialist propaganda.

Speaking of treasonous moonbats, Ted Rall weighs in:

"If Iraq were a stock, it would be Enron. Thousands killed and billions spent, but what return have we received on our investment? The contempt of the entire world, radicalizing Muslims, soaring debts and the disturbing confirmation that our troops include mass murderers as well as torturers and concentration camp guards. Iraqi resistance fighters, outgunned and outmanned, own the cities and roadways."

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

#136 joewilson
Interesting post. I don't care what people say. You're not the dumbest troll in lgf history.
I essentially agree, but we don't need some politician to unite us all. Look at these kos posts, they can't really be brought into the fold of a realistic mainstrean politician. We will remian devided as long as the progressives remain this nutty. When they become less nutty, they can contribute to the political process like the rest of us. There's no need to include them before they're ready.

#140 Cartman
Seems we have another Nodrog in the making.

#138 DesertSage

Also, do you realize how much Lincoln was reviled in his time? There was a famous newspaper cartoon depicting him as a gorilla. "Chimpy", anyone?

He was also called a dictator and a warmonger. He was accused of trashing the Constitution.

And that was just in the North.

146 Killgore Trout

Interesting post. I don't care what people say. You're not the dumbest troll in lgf history.

I must have had internet problems that day. Who did I miss?

#136 joewilson

Hey joe, I'll let you in on a little secret...the country has never been united!

When all the Leftists cry about how Bush has divided the country...that's just a load of bullshit! Did they think that Clinton united the country? The scum sucking pig got 43% and 49% in his Presidential victories...not even half the country voted for him...so how the hell did he ever unite the country, huh?

This "Bush is a divider" bullshit from the LLLs is really getting old!

#149 Earth3moonbat
Do you remember Kocane? Or was it Cokane?
He makes Joe look pretty respectable.

I would like to hear more from the elder Berg. He's such a lunatic, he makes Cindy Sheehan looks reasonable.

Btw, did the death of his son turn him into a raving moonbat? I think not.

maddog
were you here for octopus?

Oh there had to be dumber trolls than I.

I will unleash intellectual rhetoric like no troll before me. LOL.

Okay, my opinion is that the selected diaries quoted here are not representative of DKos.

I have posted on DKos for almost two years now, and I can tell you that the majority of people do NOT think that way. What this entry did was select fringe elements within DKos and claim that they represent a greater percentage of opinions than they do.

Now what drew me to LGF (and away from DKos), is the fact that I view Islamicism and Jihadism to be a greater threat to the future of the world than the majority of DKos people. I view the war in Iraq as absolutely essential to fighting terror, and the majority at DKos/Huffington Post simply do not.

THAT SAID, the majority of people at DKos and Huffington Post will support the troops even if they disagree with the war. That is simply what I have seen. They will say things like "support the troops by bringing them home." I say that that line of reasoning is bollocks, as "bringing them home" would only likely lead to a greater war (involving Iran and global Jihadism) which will place the troops in greater harm's way down the line. That line of reasoning never flies with the DKos people, and I find it hard to post there anymore.

But the exact viewpoint laid out in this entry simply is only seen in a fringe of the DKos community. It cannot be seen to represent what Markos Moulitas or any of the "front page" posters think, nor what the majority of the posters on DKos think.

#145 quoting Ted Rall:

If Iraq were a stock, it would be Enron.

I suppose it would: a company mismanaged by a few pompous top-level idiots (who are now gone) that fell into bankruptcy, was never understood by the media, yet contained enormously valuable assets which would become productive after a long period of cleaning house.

#148 rickl

Also, do you realize how much Lincoln was reviled in his time?

I know, I've done a lot of reading about Lincoln and the Civil War.

Lincoln had vision and patience, two qualities that Bush has in abundance...and that no Democrat has!

#143 Former Lurker

The head Kos Kid will be on "Meet The Press" this sunday.

Man, who pressed the Bonkey Party self-destruct button? At this rate, the LLL inmates will have enough of a chunk of the Bonkey asylum to cancel out any chance the Bonkeys may have had to take back the House or Senate come this November. And the best part is, they loathe Hillary!

/Rove Kos you magnificent bastard!

#153 BabbaZee
Yes, under a slightly different nic. He was extremely vile but Cokane could not even spell, capitalize, or punctuate at all, much less sting a readable sentence together.

#155 Quella

Well, welcome to the real world Quella. Did you read "While Europe Slept" yet?

Good to see you again Q.

Two questions for all thumb sucking, anti-war, American govt. hating liberls.

Is Iraq better off with 25,000,000 million people enjoying freedom?
Freedom to speak, work, love, or hate anybody they want, even us.

Or should they be back under a dictatorship ruled by Hussin and his thug sons,
confined to Rape, Toture, Murder at their leaders lust or pleasure?

Those are the simple questions.

Waiting for your answer.

DesertSage #157:

You do realize that Hillary is pro-war.

I say this as someone who is not particularly pro-Hillary. However, the point is that the MAINSTREAM Dem candidate is pro-war. We will see how far she gets. 2008 might as well be a lifetime away at this point.

I also disagree that W has the necessary vision to get things done right in Iraq. In order to get things done, the graft has to be taken away from contracts, soldiers need better pay/health benefits, and there has to be a clear moral line on NO to torture. None of this exists. W has the right idea in not leaving the region, and I do not believe we should leave until we get the job done, however, he has the wrong idea in "staying the course." We cannot stay the course. We need someone with vision who can improve the way we are fighting the war.

I do concede that I see no Democrat who is better, and really has the vision to fight the war the way it needs to be fought. Giuliani may have what it takes. We'll see how far he gets.

maddog
Some of our longest standing posters
cant do that either at times, LOL!
It's all about content.
I do remember kokane, vaugely.
Literacy doesnt impress me in a troll~
Some of the most vile people I have known
write very well, are genuinely articulate,
and punctuate to perfection.
They can repeat, but they can not think.
Poor bastids have terminal mimeographic theoretical affluenza.

#157 DesertSage

And we've all had our disagreements with Bush. I've criticized him for his apparently lackadaisical attitude towards illegal immigration.

Nevertheless, ever since 9/11, I've thought that he just might possibly go down in history as one of our greatest presidents.

#136 joewilson 6/9/2006 07:18PM PDT

"United we stand, divided we fall"

We are divided and need leadership to unite on common ground. We are the greatest country on this planet and it is time we act like it.

A nation under law not "flexible law". Corruption will bring down a great nation. There are many problems in government and many difficult issues to deal with. The "gotcha" political game is doing absolutely nothing to help this country. It is maintaining in dividing this country.

I think this site and the readers should back politicians you think can unite this country. You can have a voice like kos in the political arena.

Hi Joe..

Nice post.

Last sentence.. every politician KOS has backed, lost.

#149 Earth2moonbat
Charles threatened that Joewilson would be the first troll to be banned for shear stupidity on the last throbbing memo thread.

#163 Quella
Good to see you again, I thought the welcome wagon beatdown might have scared you away.

liberals

Babbazee

Hi Babba...

shalom Oh Bubbly one

Dear Soldier of the U.S. Military:
Considering the common practice of talking about "supporting the troops" in times of hostilities, I should let you know how I feel. With all due respect, I want you to know that if you participate in this conflict, you are not serving me, and I don't support you.

[Link: www.infoshop.org...]

#155 quella

THAT SAID, the majority of people at DKos and Huffington Post will support the troops even if they disagree with the war.

How many times must it be stated? That line of thinking is bullshit double-speak. Pure and simple. One requires the other, and vice-versa. There is no middle ground in warfare, like it or not. Others have posted the sentiment that the "kiddies" should just all come forward with the truth and say they despise the whole ball of wax, troops (the military) and the war in toto. I have no use for those idiots. They truly are spoiled little brats, with personal agendas. They speak of the "greater good", but when it's all said and done, it's just a "me" philisophical prism they view life through. Screw 'em.

Last sentence.. every politician KOS has backed, lost.

Bubbles
Markos: The Dudmaker!

Kilgore #146:

Totally agreed that the far left elements cannot be brought within the fold of rational dialogue.

However, you should be aware of the fact that I considered myself a full "leftist" until the Danish cartoon riots. Something just "clicked" in me at that point, and it became so painfully obvious that NO MATTER WHAT we do, the Jihadists will hate us simply because we exist. I refuse to be tolerant to intolerance, and I see these people as Nazis right after WWI. Neville Chamberlain's appeasement didn't work then, and they won't work now. There is only one thing these goons recognize, and it's force.

The scary thing is that the Islamists actually worship Hitler and even pass around the same Jew-hating propoganda that the Nazis read. The parallels are all there, and so obvious. It is painful to see the world ignoring what is right before their eyes, though, until relatively recently, I was part of the world that chose to ignore the obvious. It's hard to accept such a frightening clash of civilizations. It's easier to blame America.

Babbazee

166 Joe Wilson

You can have a voice like kos in the political arena.

And what voice would that be?

#163 Quella - "You do realize that Hillary is pro-war."

"The President misled senators into thinking that if they voted to use force in Iraq, they would first try to resolve things peacefully with the UN inspectors. Instead of following through on their claims, they refused to allow the Inspectors to finish their job and went into Iraq with their ‘evidence’ of weapons of mass destruction."

Hmm. I can't seem to discern a position through all the triangulation.

[Link: www.votehillary.org...]

[Link: fozzy42.com...]

I've thrown away my toys
Even my drum and train.
I wanna make some noise
With real live aeroplanes.
Some day I'm going to fly.
I'll be a pilot too.
And when I do, how would you
Like to be my crew...

On the good ship lollipop.
Its a sweet trip to a candy shop
Where bon-bons play
On the sunny beach of Peppermint Bay.

Lemonade stands everywhere.
Crackerjack bands fill the air.
And there you are
Happy landing on a chocolate bar.

See the sugar bowl do the tootsie roll
With the big bad devils food cake.
If you eat too much ooh ooh
You'll awake with a tummy ache.

On the good ship lollipop
Its a night trip into bed you hop
And dream away
On the good ship lollipop.

/and then there's the day to day reality of Iraq and, coming soon, Iran

166 Bubble Girl

Hi BG,

Thanks, there are good posts over there like Quella's. I post all over the blogworld looking for answers and the truth.

Oh wait, I forgot.. I have no voice on KOS...

They would kick me off.. pronto ~

#155 Quella
That was a great post. As an outsider at Dkos (although I'm still a liberal) I don't see these as fringe diaries. If you search LGF hat tips for Kos diaries I'm pretty sure I'm in lead, I read it every day. There's a reflexive anti-troop/pro-insurgncey view that is widely held (though not universal) over there that I can't understand. I still can't believe that this is the Dkos fringe, Half Of You Will Hate Me For This spent about 24 hours on the recommended list. That is not "fringe".

David Simon #176:

Hillary's position is that we should not have gone there to begin with, but we are there, and we need to win it.

That is my position as well, by the way.

However, I do agree that Hillary is not exactly clear in what she believes. It is part of why I do not support her run for presidency at the moment. But she has the potential to earn my consideration. It is important that she is against leaving the country until the job is finished. Hell, Christopher Hitchens stated he's open to voting for Hillary.

Joe Wilson

Hello Joe..

Unfortunately my posts would not be accepted over at KOS... which is ironic since I am not a Republican, conservative, nor white.

This seems like a good time to shine a light on this worm again.
http://anti-state.com/blog/

#180 Bubble Girl

Yup. If there's anything worse than a heretic, it's a minority heretic. And if there's anything worse than a minority heretic, it's a female minority heretic.

182 Kilgore Trout

And do not forget the very important part about KOS..

Censorship.

#155 Quella

It's too late and I'm too drunk to get into any kind of discussion right now, but welcome to LGF!

I'm sure we'll have plenty of time to talk in the future, but right now, I'm off to bed. Good night, all.

#174 Quella
I spent a lot of time this weekend in honest debate with a koskid about Bin Laden negotiations. We was convinced that if we negotiated a truce with bin laden the cartoon riots would have been averted, theo van gogh would still be alive and the toronto jihadis would have peacefully gone about their lives.

#174 quella

However, you should be aware of the fact that I considered myself a full "leftist" until the Danish cartoon riots.

Other than a change of heart based upon an immediate threat posed by a sworn enemy to humanity, what else in your "full leftist" outlook has changed? Just curious.

which is ironic since I am not a Republican, conservative, nor white.

I myself
am beige in winter
taupe in spring
and a sparkly
coppery brown in
summer and fall.

#184 Bubble Girl

Why, what did you say?

Sparkly copper brown... beige and taupe..

You be beautiful...

Whereas I am cinnamon brown with a touch of gold and green eyes..

#184 Bubble Girl

Unfortunately my posts would not be accepted over at KOS... which is ironic since I am not a Republican, conservative, nor white.

But you did say that you were a cracker. I guess that makes you a Graham cracker?

If the US Troops were to wear Soviet Insignia would the Progressives support 'em?

#183 Quella
You know how to tell in the Hildebeast is lying? Yeah, thats right.

Hillary will say whatever she thinks will get her elected. She is a communist/socialist pure and simple. She has no belief in representative government.

If you would consider voting for her, I would have no choice but to consider you a fool.

#176 David Simon

#163 Quella - "You do realize that Hillary is pro-war."

"The President misled senators into thinking that if they voted to use force in Iraq, they would first try to resolve things peacefully with the UN inspectors. Instead of following through on their claims, they refused to allow the Inspectors to finish their job and went into Iraq with their ‘evidence’ of weapons of mass destruction."

Yep, Chimpy is the master manipulator, the rest of the world is stupid.

Resolution 1441 at Security Council meeting 4644, 8 November 2002

Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq

/WMD, what about the rest of the whereas clauses?

Fng King Kong just showed up,

Rayra,
how are you?

and whose ass are you going to tear up tonight?

lol

/Everybody, say hello to Rayra.

#193 joewilson 6/9/2006 08:05PM PDT

#184 Bubble Girl

Why, what did you say?

That I support our President.

Kilgore #182:

I would say the majority of views I have seen regularly are the muddled "I am for the troops, because I want to bring them home" viewpoint.

Their view is the condescending "the troops are poor and have no other options, and signed up in ignorance, and I cannot fault them for that, so let's bring them home" mentality.

I have a higher regard for those within the military. Obviously, some have signed up simply for economic reasons, but it's not as if the pay for soldiers is high enough to be such a monumental incentive for poor people to fight in the military. Most people on the left will argue the parodoxical viewpoint of "this is a welfare army and we are not paying them enough" with "these soldiers signed up for the army only to get food on their plate, and because there was no other opportunity." Clearly, it cannot be a welfare army AND have soldiers who join just for the money. Logically, the two viewpoints cannot coincide.

Anyway, back to the main point. If someone truly supported the troops, they would be pro-equipping them with the best equipment possible (hence, increasing funding for body armor and other essentials), pro-clear lines on what is torture and what is not, and pro-finish the job in Iraq so the Middle East does not erupt into a massive quagmire, necessitating far more troops (and causing far more deaths), than exist in the region currently.

Most people on the left will complain about the lack of body armor, but then when it comes down to voting on the budget, will want to make cuts to the money allocated to Iraq. I am sorry, but they cannot have it both ways! Most people on the right will claim that they support the troops, but then place them in a moral quagmire where torture is ill defined, and ALSO not adequately equip them with body armor. They also will support firing gay people in the military if they come out as gay - even if they speak Arabic! And finally, almost NO ONE on the left is willing to admit that leaving now will only cause more deaths later.

So who is REALLY supporting the troops? Well, marginally, the conservatives are better supporting the troops by committing to winning the war.

But it's not as if the left OR the right is doing that great a job in "supporting the troops."

People like to wear yellow ribbons...few are willing to actually do what it takes to win this war.

#183 Quella - Hillary's "position" on any issue is contingent on:

1. Which special interest group she's speaking to

2. Which way the political wind is blowing

Sorry, but in order to lead, you must have conviction.

Bubblemania!

#163 Quella

Of course the war hasn't gone perfectly, what war ever has?
Lincoln and FDR never prosecuted a "perfect" war either. Hindsight is 20/20.

The vision was to go there in the first place, which is something that NO Leftist would have ever done in the first place. If we left things to the Democrats, slavery would have never ended either.

In the 3 years that we've been in Iraq:

1) We removed a brutal dictator that murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people.
2) The Iraqis held elections to install an interim government.
3) The Iraqis drafted a constitution and held a referendum.
4) The Iraqis held elections to install a permenant government.
5) The Iraqis have filled ALL their cabinet positions.
6) We have killed the worst terrorist/insurgent in Iraq.

That's a hell of a lot to get done in 3 years, and I think Bush and the Iraqis should get a little credit. I think the American people should get a lot of credit for being so patient. But I think the MAJORITY of the credit should go to our troops, because if it wasn't for them none of this would have happened!

192 Babazee- hell, I tend to be whatever color Clairol has on sale that month.

#183 Quella

However, I do agree that Hillary is not exactly clear in what she believes.

She belives in nothing.

She will say and do what the polls and focus groups tell her, whatver is going to get her what she wants at the time.

Then she'll change as the polls and focus groups tell her.

She,like her Husband,has no core.

#201 Bubble Girl

That I support our President.

That all? What else?

#197 maddogg
Exactly.

[Link: www.alamo-girl.com...]

Many posters have done a far better job of exposing the left's reaction to the military in Iraq than I will be able to do, but there is one over-arching theme from the opposition party: The vast majority of the voices opposing the war in Iraq and the operation against Zarqawi are no more mature than children in pre-school. Middle school at best. And these voices come from well-educated and intelligent people. They are children.

No amount of reason and no force of logic will dissuade them from their point of view; the gaping difference between today's population and that of the 1930's might be summarized by the loss of responsibility, adult behavior, and dependable father-figures in childrens' homes. But I am no psychologist so I don't pretend to understand the details, but the similarities between a little boy tearing himself away from his father's supervision (at around 12 or so) and the drama and pathos coming from the pit of today's crop of lefties is astounding. Children. With no adult supervision.

This is the harvest from decades of great society programs, "peace for our time" debating tactics, and appeasment politics most recently on display from J. Carter et al. It makes for an interesting academic study and a miserable social structure.

Little spoiled children with no adults to provide boundries. "George Bush sits there glassy-eyed in his office with pieces of paper and condemns people to death. That to me is a real terrorist.”
—Michael Berg
And my, just look how they've grow up. So BIG! And using all those grown-up words, too.

The adult world is a difficult and often dangerous place. To survive in it one must adapt, be acutely aware of one's surroundings, and seek the guidance and counsel of others who know survival methods. The lefties of today are a guaranted failure--they know it all and can do it all without daddy's help. OK.

Dan Patterson
Arrogant Infidel

207 Redcoat

What?

Bill is hardcore. LOL.

#206 armybrat
LOL!
BTW...I am the only grown woman I know who has never in her lifetime dyed her hair.

202 Quella

People like to wear yellow ribbons...few are willing to actually do what it takes to win this war.

So people wear the yellow ribbons because... they like too. Few are will to actually do what it takes to win this war..

Should we all go down and sign up?

Or should we just sit and make pronouncements about how to win it with our limited knowledge of everything that is transpiring during this global war on terror?

211 Dan Patterson

The adult world is a difficult and often dangerous place. To survive in it one must adapt, be acutely aware of one's surroundings, and seek the guidance and counsel of others who know survival methods. The lefties of today are a guaranted failure--they know it all and can do it all without daddy's help. OK.

Dan Patterson
Arrogant Infidel

Absolutely. Good one arrogant infidel.

200 Rayra- rock on with your bad self!

#207 Redcoat

She, like her Husband,has no core.

I don't quite agree. She just realizes that she needs to consolidate power before going for it. Remember socialized medicine (aka "national healthcare")? That's her core. She thought it was going to be easy. The fact that resistance developed caught her totally off guard. So now she understands that before you try to impose something that unpopular, you have to have a solid grip on power.

You'll see the core reemerge once the grip on power is firm.

#208 joewilson 6/9/2006 08:12PM PDT

#201 Bubble Girl

That I support our President.

That all? What else?

That's it, Joe.

#202 Quella - "Most people on the left will complain about the lack of body armor, but then when it comes down to voting on the budget, will want to make cuts to the money allocated to Iraq. I am sorry, but they cannot have it both ways! Most people on the right will claim that they support the troops, but then place them in a moral quagmire where torture is ill defined, and ALSO not adequately equip them with body armor."

You'd be surprised how many of our troops don't want additional body armor. Especially the ones who are already required to lug 100 pounds of gear (try running or climbing through a window with that kind of weight). Side SAPI plates will absorb one or two rounds before they shatter. Is that worth not being able to lift up your arms to fire your weapon?

#210 rayra

Damn, you did your research.

I go there for entertainment purposes on the troll bashing. LOL.

Have you ever posted there?

DesertSage #205:

I agree that the majority of credit should go to the troops.

I highly recommend the movie Baghdad ER. I cried when I saw it. It was hugely moving, and I would say REQUIRED VIEWING to the poster on DKos who can make such spurious claims...without seeing soldiers die right there on video. That movie really brought the humanity of the war home to me.

As I have publicly said, I am an atheist. But I will still say "God bless the troops." They are doing a hero's job over there.

As far as how Bush will be remembered in the future...I have no idea. Time will tell. Would Hillary be better? Again, I don't know. It's possible, I mean, we really don't know her platform at this moment. As far as the posters who claim she is communist/socialist...that is simply ignorant and untrue. She never was a communist/socialist, and hell, even if she was (which she wasn't), Christopher Hitchens was an avowed leftist a few decades ago.

PEOPLE CHANGE! It is only the weak mind that refuses to adapt to the changing world we live in.

without those troops, there would be no war.

Do any of these libs even care what Saddam did while in power? The mass graves, torture, and real secret prisions.

There is no draft. Anyone now in the American armed forces is there because s/he volunteered.

There is no draft. The troops in the military volunteered to fight and even die for this country. The left can't say that the troops was forced to figh, by being in the military the expected to fight at sometime.

Oh, to live on Sugar Mountain
With the barkers and the colored balloons,
You can't be twenty on Sugar Mountain
Though you're thinking that
you're leaving there too soon,
You're leaving there too soon.

It's so noisy at the fair
But all your friends are there
And the candy floss you had
And your mother and your dad.

Oh, to live on Sugar Mountain
With the barkers and the colored balloons,
You can't be twenty on Sugar Mountain
Though you're thinking that
you're leaving there too soon,
You're leaving there too soon.

There's a girl just down the aisle,
Oh, to turn and see her smile.
You can hear the words she wrote
As you read the hidden note.

Oh, to live on Sugar Mountain
With the barkers and the colored balloons,
You can't be twenty on Sugar Mountain
Though you're thinking that
you're leaving there too soon,
You're leaving there too soon.

Now you're underneath the stairs
And you're givin' back some glares
To the people who you met
And it's your first cigarette.

Oh, to live on Sugar Mountain
With the barkers and the colored balloons,
You can't be twenty on Sugar Mountain
Though you're thinking that
you're leaving there too soon,
You're leaving there too soon.

Now you say you're leavin' home
'Cause you want to be alone.
Ain't it funny how you feel
When you're findin' out it's real?

Oh, to live on Sugar Mountain
With the barkers and the colored balloons,
You can't be twenty on Sugar Mountain
Though you're thinking that
you're leaving there too soon,
You're leaving there too soon.

Oh, to live on Sugar Mountain
with the barkers and the colored balloons,
You can't be twenty on Sugar Mountain
Though you're thinking that
you're leaving there too soon,
You're leaving there too soon.

/all those KosKidz in Vegas, think they play Poker, Slots, or Keno?

If I were in charge of advertising for the GOP, I'd make a huge deal of this.

I'd buy lots of TV ads and splash these quotes across the screen.

"Troops and patriotic Americans, you like this? This is what the Democrats think of you. Are these the kinds of people you want running America and makign decisions for you?"

No way in hell we'd lose.

#59 Thanos

I am not currently slated for deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan due to my current duty assignment (like that is ever certain or permanent). Nevertheless, safety is not why anyone enlists or reenlists. Duty to our country is most important.

I am doing my best to instil that notion in my family: from my parents and siblings to my wife, son, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, cousins, inlaws and outlaws. We all owe our country and our past veterans and correct-thinking politicians so much that it is incomprehensible to the average American.

Here is a note of encouragement: I recently visited a local high school and spoke to two classes about National Guard service. I spoke to about 50 students and got 10 solid recruitment leads who were willing to give me their name, phone number, and address to share with my local recruiter contact!

Our future GETS IT!

#205 DesertSage 6/9/2006 08:09PM PDT

#163 Quella

Of course the war hasn't gone perfectly, what war ever has?
Lincoln and FDR never prosecuted a "perfect" war either. Hindsight is 20/20.

The vision was to go there in the first place, which is something that NO Leftist would have ever done in the first place. If we left things to the Democrats, slavery would have never ended either.

In the 3 years that we've been in Iraq:

1) We removed a brutal dictator that murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people.
2) The Iraqis held elections to install an interim government.
3) The Iraqis drafted a constitution and held a referendum.
4) The Iraqis held elections to install a permenant government.
5) The Iraqis have filled ALL their cabinet positions.
6) We have killed the worst terrorist/insurgent in Iraq.

That's a hell of a lot to get done in 3 years, and I think Bush and the Iraqis should get a little credit. I think the American people should get a lot of credit for being so patient. But I think the MAJORITY of the credit should go to our troops, because if it wasn't for them none of this would have happened!

And yet none of it counts because Bush is the "Illegitimate President." And so far they cannot come up with a better person to do the job Bush is doing. Just that it can be "done better."

Kind of like the Six Million Dollar Man. LLL Scientists can build us a better, faster, more liberal president.

#202 quella

But it's not as if the left OR the right is doing that great a job in "supporting the troops."

People like to wear yellow ribbons...few are willing to actually do what it takes to win this war.

Wanna bet? How many of those who consider themselves "leftists" or "anti-war" have sent a freakin' dime in support of our guys and gals fighting this war? How many of them have volunteered time at a local VA hospital to offer support and a "thank you" to our wounded soldiers who have returned from the hell of combat? I guarantee you the answer is slim or none. Great question to pose on Kos or DU by someone who is not subject to immediate dismissal, eh? Give it a shot, and let's see what we come up with.

#202 Quella

marginally, the conservatives are better supporting the troops by committing to winning the war.

Agreed, the LLL achilles heel is that they're cought in the indefensible position of hoping for defeat in Iraq . I think Zarky's death is what sent them over the edge the past few days. Success (no matter how insignificant) in Iraq causes them great problems.

Nobody's. Still enjoying the afterglow of Zarqawi's demise.

Me also.
Murtha, Kennedy, Kerry, and other democrat turds have had to crawl back into the frigging woodworks.
And I went over to the Kos Kids and they were having a fng funeral.

Quote:
All this talk about Zarqawi is making me grumpy.

BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

For the record, no sane person is pro-war. What kind of human being would actually be for war, given any alternative? Only the truly backward, demented, stupid insane asshole is pro-war. It is the wise who understand this, and prepares for the truly backward, demented, stupid, insane foe that may arise, and understands that going to war is just the better of two bad options. Leaders are capable of making this decision. I don't know what word you'd use for the people who haven't the stones to make this decision, but take advantage of every opportunity to criticize the decision and the efforts once the decision is made.

Oh, wait a minute. It just came to me: Democrat.

Rayra #226:

Taking away tax cuts to the rich does not a socialist make. Sorry, you will have to do better than that.

As far as socialized medicine and Hillary of 1992...that is as far as she ever has gone to publicly espouse something close to socialism. That plan was doomed from the start. But guess what? At this moment in time, I have friends who don't get check ups, because they don't have insurance. At this point in time, SOMETHING needs to be done about the health care crisis in America. The Kerry plan actually was not a bad thought, though I think the Massachusetts plan is the way to go. We will see if the Republicans even TOUCH this issue, which affects millions and millions of uninsured Americans.

Anyway, that's not what this thread was about, so sorry this went off on a tangent. This thread was about how the left does not support the troops.

Meanwhile, the AP is heard wishing aloud.

Iraq insurgency to go on after al-Zarqawi

#222 quella

As I have publicly said, I am an atheist.

Why is that considered a badge of honor, let alone a professed ideology? It would seem to be that if one chooses to not believe in a diety or an afterlife, than why even bother mentioning it? A zero-sum pronouncement.

#235 Quella

You just established that, contrary to earlier statements, you're not a libertarian.

#235
Bullshit.

183 Quella- Shrillary is very clear about what she wants. She wants the power to take this nation into the socialist utopia that she believes it should be. She will/has lied, cheated and stolen to attempt to consolidate the voting block to achieve her aims. Her most grandious mistakes are (1) believing that the American electorate are stupid and will follow like sheep and (2)hitching her wagon to a man who can't keep his penis in his pants-which is a decidedly negative factor in a majority of this country.

#146 Killgore Trout

#136 joewilson
Interesting post. I don't care what people say. You're not the dumbest troll in lgf history.
I essentially agree, but we don't need some politician to unite us all. Look at these kos posts, they can't really be brought into the fold of a realistic mainstrean politician. We will remian devided as long as the progressives remain this nutty. When they become less nutty, they can contribute to the political process like the rest of us. There's no need to include them before they're ready.

Well I consider myself 'progressive' and I never read kos, and I don't really even know what DU is. I joined this site a month ago, and I can't coun't how many times I've seen an anti-kos rant on this site. I sense an obsession.

Divided? Ever listened to Fox talk radio? Rush, Hannity, Gibson...it's like a dusk till dawn liberal slam-fest. Coulter? This site? You can't tell me with a straight face that 'the left' takes broad sweeping shots at the 'conservatives' in such wide audience. We don't trust Bush and his administration. We didn't vote for the guy. They're a small group of very secretive people (who you only know through you loathed MSM). You want to take a slam on Bush as a slam on 50% of the country, say the left is aiding the enemy 'in a time of war', call people moonbats, anti-American etc.?

If the terrorists' goal was to have America tear itself apart through fear, hate, well...

Sorry but I can't let Joe go it alone in here LOL

A song for Zarkqawi...

[Toby Keith]
Well, a man come on, the 6 o'clock news,
Said somebody's been shot, somebody's been abused.
Somebody blew up a building, somebody stole a car.
Somebody got away, somebody didn't get too far, yeah.
They didn't get too far.

[Willie Nelson]
Grandpappy told my pappy: "Back in my day, son,
A man had to answer for the wicked that he done.
Take all the rope in Texas, find a tall oak tree,
Round up all of them bad boys, hang them high in the street,
For all the people to see,"

[Toby]
That justice is the one thing you should always find.
You got to saddle up your boys,
You got to draw a hard line.

[Willie]
When the gunsmoke settles, we'll sing a victory tune.
We'll all meet back at the local saloon.

[Both]
We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces,
Singing: 'Whiskey for my men, beer for my horses.'"

[Toby]
We got too many gangsters doing dirty deeds,
[Willie]
We've got too much corruption, too much crime in the streets.
[Toby]
It's time the long arm of the law, put a few more in the ground.
[Willie]
Send 'em all to their maker, and he'll settle 'em down:
[Toby]
You can bet he'll settle 'em down.

[Toby]
Cause justice is the one thing you should always find.
You got to saddle up your boys,
You got to draw a hard line.

[Willie]
When the gunsmoke settles, we'll sing a victory tune.
We'll all meet back at the local saloon.

[Both]
We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces,
Singing: "Whiskey for my men, beer for my horses."
Whiskey for my men, beer for my horses.

[Toby]
You know justice is the one thing you should always find.
You got to saddle up your boys,
You got to draw a hard line.

[Willie]
When the gunsmoke settles, we'll sing a victory tune.
We'll all meet back at the local saloon,

[Both]
We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces,
Singing: "Whiskey for my men, beer for my horses."
Singing: "Whiskey for my

186 Earth2moonbat 6/9/2006 08:00PM PDT
#180 Bubble Girl

Yup. If there's anything worse than a heretic, it's a minority heretic. And if there's anything worse than a minority heretic, it's a female minority heretic.

Worse than that (and most evil of all) are lesbian (obviously female) minority heretics...

Alright, who put out the shitbird bait?

Zarqawi felt my son's breath on his hand as he held the knife against his throat. Zarqawi had to look in his eyes when he did it. [Michale Berg]

This is the most profoundly perverted thing I have ever read, I think Michael Berg actually admires Zarqawi, the man who slowly sawed off his son's head. Only a moral zero, a political fanatic belonging to ANSWER could posibly say something like this.

244 MSM Media

I suppose so. That's not my team.

#247 Bubble Girl 6/9/2006 08:35PM PDT

Good to hear. Then again, how many can there be?

#120 katkin

You are welcome.

By the way, oak catkins are all over my back yard making a mess since April. Please say you aren't their patron saint *chuckle*.

Honestly, when I am in uniform and people thank me, I am at a loss as to what to say. I am such a teeny tiny itsy bitsy part of the US Armed Forces with such an insignificant role that I feel overwhelmed by the heroism of our special forces, combat arms, and intelligence type personnel, and I feel completely unworthy of any thanks.

Nevertheless, it gives me great pleasure to serve ultralibs who hate me and all the ideals for which I stand. As the song goes, "Bless the beasts and the children..."

Kilgore #230:

The actual liberal loony left does wish for defeat in Iraq. An acquaintance of mine over at wakeupfromyourslumber.com actively wishes for defeat in Iraq. However, what I take issue with is the notion that your every day liberals want defeat in Iraq.

The every day liberal believes the troops are best served by bringing them home, because they have been brain washed by Michael Moore and the Academic nonthought leftist professors to believe this will somehow appease the Islamists and/or be better for the Iraqis on the ground.

The problem with that reasoning is that they ignore the obvious reality that the only thing the Islamists pay attention to is a showing of force (and withdrawing would be a huge boon to Islamists who would use it as an excuse to bomb the hell out of us), and that the average Iraqi's life would be miserable in the hands of the insurgents. There would be a civil war, death, destruction, and the end of women's rights, gay rights, etc. (all the left believes in), as well as the existence of an outright terrorist state. The troops are aware of this fact (and it is WHY THEY SIGNED UP), and so if the (mainstream) left really wanted to SUPPORT THE TROOPS, they would support the cause the troops are fighting for: our freedom, and Iraqi freedom.

Oh well. I am doing my part, one friend at a time. I have already convinced two leftist friends of mine of the importance of the war, and I hope to convince more.

As a side note, I want to say that the words "war" and "insurgency" are themselves propogandistic devices.

This is not a "war" as there is very little open conflict with a known enemy. Rather, I would call this the struggle for freedom. And the insurgents are TERRORISTS. It is always fascinating to see how the English language gets hijacked in one partisan way or another.

#235 Quella

Anyway, that's not what this thread was about, so sorry this went off on a tangent. This thread was about how the left does not support the troops.

Okay, how about a linky or something illustrating the converse, as opposed to LLL talking point pontification.

/ the preponderance of evidence is not in your favor

#217 earth2moonbat

Remember socialized medicine (aka "national healthcare")? That's her core.

True, in her heart of hearts she is a committed statist/socialist.

But if she ever were to take power, she would be trapped like her husband, paralyzed by the thought of dropping in the polls, he still thinks his 65% favorability rating when he left office is an accomplishment.

She would not do what she thinks is right and risk being unpopular.

People like the Clintons are weak and malleable.

Someone with core values doesn’t care, they do things and stick to them, Hillary simply does not have the balls.

#246 Paul

There's something creepy and pathological about that statement, but it's so twisted, it's hard to put your finger on exactly what it is. I'd be a little bit inclined to cut him some slack if it weren't for the fact that he encouraged Nick to go there. And then turns around and says that Yanks shouldn't be anywhere in Dar-al-islam. He's not just cracked, he's evil.

If the moonbats get back into office, we will end up in a perpetual war with EASTASIA.

#242 chen

Sorry but I can't let Joe go it alone in here LOL

Good luck! Unless you can logically state your case on a consistent basis, you're in for a long haul. Carry on.

235 Quella- do your homework- those tax cuts benefit the majority of TAX PAYORS. You'd be shocked at how mny people don't pay taxes. And if I pay the greatest amount of taxes, why shouldn't I benefit the most from tax relief. Expand your mind, walk in my shoes. The current tax system stymies innovation and productivity. Work and risk should be rewarded. Your socialist roots are showing.

#248 MSMediaCritic 6/9/2006 08:36PM PDT

#247 Bubble Girl 6/9/2006 08:35PM PDT

Good to hear. Then again, how many can there be?

I don't know. I've never met that kind. Have you?

Hey there are a number of KOSaks who apparently don't believe Zarqawi ever existed. And a few more who don't believe he's dead. And yet more who are sure that Al Qaeda offed him and we took the credit.

On this thread.

Go figure. (or is this old news?)

#222 Quella

PEOPLE CHANGE! It is only the weak mind that refuses to adapt to the changing world we live in.

Hillary is the type of person that sticks her finger in the air to see which way the political winds are blowing, much like her husband used to do. That kind of change is never good.

That's what Democrats do, they change to be popular. Popularity is more important to them than conviction. That's why Bill pulled out of Somalia, because it was popular. Think about what Somalia might look like today if Billy had the conviction to stay and see the job through.

As for the war deaths in Iraq, every single one of them is a tragedy...but let's put it into perspective. Every single one of them volunteered to serve. They knew the danger. Some people feel a calling to serve. They feel that it is one of the most patriotic and honorable things in the world to serve their country. I did it. Rayra did it (probably a lot better than me). A lot of people on this site have done it. A lot of young Americans have a warrior spirit and think it's better to fight and die for the cause of freedom then to bitch and complain at an anti-war protest rally with scrotum man in Berkley.

#235 Quella - "Taking away tax cuts to the rich does not a socialist make."

So let's see if I have this straight: The government "gave" rich people something by confiscating less. Look up "socialist" in the dictionary my friend.

Or, just reread this passage of your post: "At this moment in time, I have friends who don't get check ups, because they don't have insurance. At this point in time, SOMETHING needs to be done about the health care crisis in America. The Kerry plan actually was not a bad thought, though I think the Massachusetts plan is the way to go. We will see if the Republicans even TOUCH this issue, which affects millions and millions of uninsured Americans."

It's the government's responsibility to provide health insurance to your stupid friends?

Armybrat #240:

As far as #1 - please name me a Republican who is particularly principled. We have seen, for instance, how W caved during the Danish cartoon riots. How he insists Islam is a "religion of peace." Does he really "get it?" Please.

As far as #2 - It is none of our business if a politician cheats on his wife. Let's be honest - the majority of the country has sinned in their lives. Let he without sin cast the first stones.

Let's see...who's casting stones?

*listens to crickets chirping*

ChenZhen #242:

Totally agreed on the people on the right dividing the nation. I mean, Jerry Falwell thinks the gays are behind 9/11! To pin the culture wars on the left only is simply a fallacy of reasoning.

I also want to note that I am unique in this community in that I have posted on DKos for almost two years. I see the DKos links to not be representative of what the typical DKoser thinks or says. There is much selective linking. I mean, there are elements within the LGF community who believe we should nuke all Arabs - but certainly they are FRINGE ELEMENTS. It is wrong to point to a fringe and say that it represents what a majority thinks or espouses.

#257 Bubble Girl

I don't know. I've never met that kind. Have you?

I know of at least one white one on LGF. Threefurs are a bit hard to come by.

Shazammn damn,

Rayra,
grab the fng Raid,

they are coming back out of the woodworks.

#263 ibmkeyboard

Raid? Try DDT.

#261 Quella 6/9/2006 08:43PM PDT

Armybrat #240:

As far as #1 - please name me a Republican who is particularly principled. We have seen, for instance, how W caved during the Danish cartoon riots. How he insists Islam is a "religion of peace." Does he really "get it?" Please.

Okay, then tell me which Democrat "gets it?"

Which Democrat cried foul over the Danish Cartoon riots?

Which Democrat says Islam is a not a "religion of peace?"

#245 maddogg 6/9/2006 08:34PM PDT

Alright, who put out the shitbird bait?

you may want to check out the title of this thread

Rayra...I think ChenZhen is looking for you.

I'm too tired to deal with him, I need to go get food...

Killian Bundy #251:

I am not sure what I have to link to. I said something that should be pretty self explanatory. I said that the majority of DKos believes in bringing the troops home, but says they support the troops.

If you want me to show links, I can...but you can even look at responses to the post in question - you see responses which echo what I stated.

Okay, let's take attendance.

Who's going to wet their pants when the U.S., after jumping through all the useless diplomatic hoops, launches comprehensive air strikes against Iran. taking away all their nuclear tinkertoys and a lot more?

Not me.

/show of hands?

BubbleGirl #265:

I agree that there is no great Democrat either.

The state of American politics is pretty dismal.

Sage!

Throwin' some heat tonight, my friend. Nice work.

There is no draft, anyone now in America's armed forces is the because he/she volunteered...simply put, if today's troops would...go AWOL...there would be no one available to prosecute the war."