...to advance the study of religious radicalisation in the Netherlands.

Aren't the mosques already handling this?

Big surprise, eh?

The Institute for poking hornet's nests with sticks will study the problem.

Statistics was never my strong subject, someone help me out here: Is 40% generally considered a "tiny minority"?

The Centrum voor Radicalisme en Extremisme Studies (CRES) is being hosted by the University of Amsterdam (UvA) and will bring together researchers from various universities to advance the study of religious radicalisation in the Netherlands.

Start with forensic pictures of Theo Van Gogh you limp-dick liberal pussies.

/out of patience

They'll probably still be studying while their heads are being sawed off.

It will take years and millions in fgovernment funding but right from the get go they have ruled out anything to do with the belief system that originated in a certain sandy region of the planet.

Statistics was never my strong subject, someone help me out here: Is 40% generally considered a "tiny minority"?

I'm still trying to figure out a "broad strata".

#4, Occasional Reader: "Is 40% generally considered a "tiny minority"?"

Considering that the US "unilaterally" went to war in Iraq with over 30 nations, I would guess so.

Once the multi-year, multi-million dollar study is finished, they will post a strongly worded letter condemning the excesses of Pentacostals at Church Picnics.

from the article linked above...

Buijs said on Wednesday that the government must provide alternatives for Salafism, a contemporary movement in Sunni Islam that seeks a return to the 'pure Islam' of the days of Mohammed.

Salafism is a gaining ground in the Netherlands

This IS the muslim "reformation" that people say they want.

Buijs said on Wednesday that the government must provide alternatives for Salafism, a contemporary movement in Sunni Islam that seeks a return to the 'pure Islam' of the days of Mohammed.

How about Deportationalism? Prisonology?

The Centrum voor Radicalisme en Extremisme Studies (CRES) is being hosted by the University of Amsterdam (UvA) and will bring together researchers from various universities to advance the study of religious radicalisation in the Netherlands.

This is just moving around the deck chairs on the Titanic.

People do not change until it hurts too much not to. I guess it does not hurt enough yet in the Netherlands.

the study of religious radicalisation in the Netherlands

Note, no specific religon is singled out. But we can all guess who they are referring to: yes, those radical Buddhists!

Very liberal Mpls paper carried a good AP story on a doctor who just returned from Iraq. I'm guessing it originated from a smaller paper in the state.

Minnesota physician in Iraq says Minnesota soldiers are safe
Associated Press
A physician from central Minnesota stationed with Minnesota soldiers in Iraq said morale is high.
Col. Basil Leblanc of The Minnesota National Guard said the unit hasn't been in much danger, save for heat injuries.
"The mission has gone really well," Leblanc said during a teleconference from Camp Adder on Tallil Air Base in south-central Iraq.
Leblanc is in Iraq for 90 days as brigade surgeon of the 1st Brigade Combat Team of the 34th Infantry Division.
Leblanc is now teaming up with Iraqi clinics to get them up to speed and self-reliant.
Although the area has physicians, Leblanc said some hospitals aren't fully functional or secure.
There's been an increase among Iraqi civilians in preventable diseases like respiratory illness, diarrhea, measles and malaria in Iraq.
LeBlanc said he's working to send three or four civilians in need of special surgeries to the U.S. for treatment, including a 3-year-old boy with a heart defect.
The patients apply for visas and will receive free medical care, said Leblanc, who's a doctor in St. Cloud and has a family practice at St. John's University in Collegeville.
Leblanc will be coming back to Minnesota this week when his tour is over.
©. All rights reserved.

[Link: www.startribune.com...]

The majority are opposed to freedom of speech for offensive statements, particularly criticism of Islam.

Particularly? How about ONLY criticism of islam.

The Centrum voor Radicalisme en Extremisme Studies (CRES) is being hosted by the University of Amsterdam (UvA) and will bring together researchers from various universities to advance the study of religious radicalisation in the Netherlands.

Researcher Frank Buijs of UvA's Institute of Migration and Ethnic Studies decided there was a need for the new academic centre while he was researching radicalisation of Moroccan youth on behalf of the Ministry for Immigration and Integration.

So why wasn't this new center named the "Center for Islamic Radicalism and Extremism Studies"?

The name says it all. Doomed from the start. They'll have a mandate to be "even-handed", etc. etc., and the end result of years of study and millions in grants will not be worth a single page of extemporaneous observations by Orianna Falacci.

"40% of young Moroccan Muslims in the Netherland's reject Western values and democracy."

Then get the FUCK OUT of the Netherlands you dark age savages and take your fucking mosques and sharia with you.

#12 PK:

How about Deportationalism? Prisonology?

Heh.

And for egregious cases, The Centre for Laser-Designated Studies.

All right, then. That 40% can just up and leave. Or at least not take benefits.

It's one thing to have a few problems with how things are run in your country - anyone who's perfectly satisfied has never voted - but it's quite another to reject the basic values.

Only 40%?

That's arguably encouraging, because Islam is incompatible with democracy.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid that many Muslims will support "democracy" right up to when they are the majority. Muslims have learned to use democratic elections as just another weapon in their drive to destroy Western civilization.

Buijs said on Wednesday that the government must provide alternatives for Salafism, a contemporary movement in Sunni Islam that seeks a return to the 'pure Islam' of the days of Mohammed.

Salafism is a gaining ground in the Netherlands and Buijs said the government must do more to stimulate a more pluralistic form of Islam. Buijs and his colleagues discuss the issue in a new book 'Strijders van eigen bodem - radicale en democratische moslims in Nederland' (home-grown warriors - radical and democratic Muslims in the Netherlands).

So let's get this straight...it's a "western, democratic" non-Muslim government, one already rejected by 40% young of the Moroccan Muslims, that "must" convince/stimulate these same Muslims into switching to a kinder, gentler version of Islam? And no expectations on the part of sharia and Muslim leaders to lead the way to this "pluralistic form of Islam" instead?

Good luck. I can already hear the laughter coming from the backs of the mosques. Seems this study is off to a rip-roaring start.

Gorgeous flag, Charles.

Imagine if 40% of Americans wanted to replace democracy with... with anything else.

#11 nonic

There's a certain irony.

Luther stood on scriptura sola, too.

The difference is the scripture, I guess.

LOL. Of course their response would be to commission a multimillion dollar to find out why, oh why, do they hate us.

Liberalism must be a mental disorder...these people (Europeans) keep getting confronted with the same thing (muslim unrest/violence) and they keep doing the same thing (doing studies in self loathing, and caving to theri muslim masters) and expecting a different result.

40% of Young Dutch Muslims Reject Democracy

Only the Dutch Muslims?

And remember, the dhimmicrats look to Europe for sophistication and leadership. If only they would all move there.

Sunni Salafism. The Ducth should hope that they get better treatment from the Sunnis than the Shia are currently getting in Iraq.

When oh when are they going to learn that we cannot make "nice" with these people? I'm seeing it,we all here are seeing it,what does it take to get the willfully ignorant to get it? This " if we take the higher ground they will come over to our side" stuff will never ever work with this cult,they can never be trusted even when kept at bay because they will ALWAYS be looking for their next opening and lying about it in the meantime.It's in their "booK' and ingrained in their way of life.

The Center for Beheadering Research

#27 zulubaby

40% of those surveyed. Not a happy thing to extrapolate, is it?

I wonder what a similar survey would find in France? Or Canada? Or the US?

At least the Dutch, in a timid way, are starting to get a handle on the numbers, and what's going on.

A national campaign has begun to mellow out the Mohammedans. The slogan : Islam: Don't let it go to your head.

Satanic, sadistic.
Insane, masochistic.
Self loathing and evil.
Massive upheaval.
The One will stand against the many.
And His light never goes out.

Looks like the chocolate chompers have been officially Islamofied. Typical PC run amok when a bunch of ivory tower academics 'study' a problem as their society collapses around them. Fall of the Roman Empire, anyone?

People not Prophets!

We better get a think tank on this issue right away.

Nice flag Charles

#17 Occasional Reader

So why wasn't this new center named the "Center for Islamic Radicalism and Extremism Studies"?

Maybe because their preliminary "studies" show that 20% of Dutch Moroccan "youths" are Christian, 20% are Hindu, 10% are Buddhist, 20% are atheist, 10% are Wiccan, 5% worship Zeus, and the rest are Muslim.

#37, I'm thinking tanks too but not that kind.The kind that go BOOM!

Charles,

Thanks for the Flag!

There are many flying over LSA Anaconda here in Iraq.

Many more fly in planes and helicopters or ride in convoys as mementos of the year here. I had a crew fly a flag for my daughter on a MEDEVAC helicopter mission and I raided the same flag over my battalion HQ on her birthday.

The study found 40 percent of the Moroccan youth in the Netherlands reject western values and democracy.

What the hell are they doing there, then, if not to conquer? They knew where they were going. Let them get the hell out. Better, kick them out. Nobody but nobody is entitled to live in a land they abhore and would damage.

#24 PK:

Imagine if 40% of Americans wanted to replace democracy with... with anything else.

You mean like "despotic rule by Brazilian supermodels"?

(just thinkin' out loud here)

Whew, glad they won't be voting to put appeasers in office then.

/sarc

A council of rap stars...

#40 Army Green:

[raises glass]

Here's to you and your brothers in arms; good luck on your mission and thank you for defending our country.

I wonder if it would be a long-term savings to pay those 40% of Dutch Muslims a substantial sum to surrender their Dutch citizenship and move to a country with sharia law? The financial hit would be substantial, initially, but surely it would be a good move, long term?

Think of it as life insurance for everybody else?

Hey Dutch, get a hint, this is YOUR Death sentence if you don't stop these fools!

Sharia, I just met a girl named Sharia...

lets replace the mosques with smoking craters

The Centrum voor Radicalisme en Extremisme Studies (CRES) is being hosted by the University of Amsterdam (UvA) and will bring together researchers from various universities to advance the study of religious radicalisation in the Netherlands.

One electronic copy of the Koran, one electronic copy of hadiths, one laser printer, one sane person to read them. Take all the rest of the money you were planning on spending and send it to me. Take the time you were going to waste on this and devote it to getting all those who follow a bigoted, violent ideology out of your (currently) liberal, democratic nation.

The craters will have to be divided into smoking and non-smoking sections.

#49, and suddenly I've found,how wonderful a bomb can be...

Memo To Wooden Shoe Population: Next time,(if there is one)clean your own toilets. also CC: Republicrats, Wash. D.C.

# 18
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

The majority are opposed to freedom of speech for offensive statements, particularly criticism of Islam.

Well I'm prepared to use force to defend it. So where does that leave us?

Found a very interesting read on the Endless Jihad while searching for some good debate material to share with my Bn Chaplain (he's a good S.Baptist, I an unabashed R.Catholic)

Choice quotes:

In the days after September 11, 2001, American leaders rushed to portray Islam as a peaceful religion that had been "hijacked" by a fanatical band of terrorists…Muslim apologists also rushed forward to assure the public that Islam was a peaceful religion. They disingenuously declared that the word Islam means "peace." And they tried to portray the terrorists as a fringe group outside the mainstream of Islam. These were lies.

[In] Muslim understanding, there is no separation between religion and government...in the historic Muslim understanding, Islamic society is or should be a theocracy

It must be pointed out that there are people of peace and people of violence in all religions...Yet, even when these qualifications are made, it is clear that Islam as a religion and an ideology has by far the greatest tendency to violence.

Link: [Link: www.catholic.com...]

40% of Lions reject vegetarianism; however they support the rights of others to follow a vegetarian diet.

I flew to Chicago on Saturday. Right before takeoff from Minneapolis, the Northwest pilot said we had 2 members of the armed forces aboard and to show our appreaciation. Everyone applauded.

The person I was with is in the Air Guard and I think she appreaciated it too.

The only thing that gives me hope is that the Muslims will go too far for even those who are now too weak or ignorant or afraid to do anything about. Call it the Muslim Operation Barabarossa.

Yet like Hitler's Barabarossa, there will be much pain and damage before we start to fight back.

PIMF post #40 RAISED a flag...not raided

Does anyone else note the irony between this 'closing the barn door after the horse has bolted' piece on nonsense and the departure of Hirsi Ali?

I think I can savor it like a fine wine.

the [bigoted word]s lived under a dictators smelly sandal in the old country, but when they move to the west, they sure get bold with the demands don't they. Now i understand all the public beatings in Arabland

#41 sms111 6/14/2006 12:11PM PDT

They are not called "Moroccan youth" for nothing you now. It is not something like Irisch American. These people ALL are also a Moroccan citizens. They must be. The dutch governement allows this. Third generation "guest workers" are moroccans because the morrocan law says so! This will continue till the end of days.
The "youth" can sometimes be heard to say they are muslim first, palistinian second and moroccan third. For social benifits they have a Dutch passport, but of course they are terribly suffering from racial abuse.

#55 semadar
# 18 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I know he is.

I'm interested to see how they are going to scrape together an ideological claim to the Netherlands after so much of it is land reclaimed from the sea.

I dare say it's not going to be good enough for me.

I was feeling so good after the Zarkman was killed. Now I'm back to walking around with a queasy feeling, grinding my teeth and muttering.

Maybe they will put me in the lunatic asylum. I understand that's where they keep the sane people these days.

#46 Occ Reader

{raises plastic bottle of water)

Right back to you, thanks for the support, cheers!

A researcher for the Netherlands Ministry for Immigration and Integration has found that 40% of young Moroccan Muslims in the Netherlands reject Western values and democracy.

Hmm, could part of the problem be that these yutes living in Holland are called Moroccan?

And maybe it's time to shut down the Ministry of Integration - it doesn't seem to be working out that well.

Creating this center is a bit like looking at a rabid animal slavering inches from your leg and saying, "Oh, look! A rabid animal! What do you say we study it to see what makes it tick?" I have a better idea - what do you way we terminate the damned thing before it can bite and spread its lethal virus?

Come to think of it, a lethal virus spread by rabid animals pretty much sums up Islam.

Charles, thanks for the lovely flag. :) The VA hospital near my school set out new flags all along its main entrance road this morning. There are so many of them that it's a glorious sight - I'll have to remember my digital camera tomorrow so I can take a few photos of it to share.

Thanks for the hat tip, Charles.

nonic:

This IS the muslim "reformation" that people say they want.

Indeed it is, as some of us have been saying for a while. Robert Spencer has done some interesting comparisons between Wahhabism and the Protestant Reformation. Martin Luther wanted a return to "pure" religion. Isn't that what Osama bin Laden wants, too? The result turns out different because the core texts of the two religions, not to mention the personal examples of the founders, are very different.

I have heard many claims that "Islam now is just like Christianity in the Middle Ages." I disagree. A Norwegian historian, expert on the Middle Ages, wrote an essay about this. She was tired of reading about honor killings and hearing that this was "medieval" or "just like the Middle Ages." She pointed out that in Europe in the Middle Ages, honor killings were against the law, and severely punished.

In other words: To say that Islamic customs are "medieval" or "just like the Middle Ages" isn't an insult to Islam, it's an insult to the Middle Ages.

Happy Birthday Army Green since '92 from retired since '99

#69 Preview wasn't my friend - that should, of course, be "say" rather than "way."

#63

[bigoted word]s...LOL

fan of Monty Python?

a Moose once bit the sister of a friend of mine, very nasty

#18 Kragar

Then get the FUCK OUT of the Netherlands you dark age savages and take your fucking mosques and sharia with you.

#51 Model4

One electronic copy of the Koran, one electronic copy of hadiths, one laser printer, one sane person to read them. Take all the rest of the money you were planning on spending and send it to me. Take the time you were going to waste on this and devote it to getting all those who follow a bigoted, violent ideology out of your (currently) liberal, democratic nation.

Kragar/Model4 in '08!

#74 tasty beverage
Kragar/Model4 in '08! .308

#71 Grunt

Not Just a Grunt, but a living legend are you...Jolly Green Giants walking the Earth, with guns.

Happy Birthday Bro.

Just_A_Grunt

It's your birthday?

Happy Birthday and many, many more!

{Just_A_Grunt}

Army Green

Have you heard anything about goings on in Kirkuk? I emailed our adopted soldier a few days ago after I heard about the coordinated attacks there but haven't heard back. I haven't heard any reports of coalition injuries but it sounds as tho things are heating up there and no info makes me quesy.

They can probably find room for the new center right next to the religious studies and tolerance center. Or maybe behind the spiritual wellness center for the studies of wellness and faith.

is Krupke a Dutch name ?

eg

Gee, Officer Krupke, we’re very upset;
We never had the love that every
Child oughta get.
We ain’t no delinquents,
We’re misunderstood.
Deep down inside us there is good !

#76 Army Green
{blushing} I ain't worthy of that much, I did my time and conducted the handoff. I am very proud of those who have come after me, ya'll are doing your country proud.
HOOOAH

Hell, I believe over 50% of Democrat politicians reject democracy and would abolish it if they thought they could get away with it...

Army Green,

as I recall from our conversation a couple of days ago.

Happy Birthday brother.

Stay safe.

#71 Just a Grunt

Happy Birthday. Today is the Army's birthday too.

What units were you in?

loppy
Today is the birthday of THE ARMY They are 231 years young and going strong.

The Centrum voor Radicalisme en Extremisme Studies (CRES) is being hosted by the University of Amsterdam (UvA) and will bring together researchers from various universities to advance the study of religious radicalisation in the Netherlands.

In other words,

What have we done wrong? Is there any way we can accomodate our Muslim residents better? Is our society ultimately responsible for Islamic radicalism? Tell us how we may please you, peaceful followers of the Religion of Peace...

CRES: Institution of Dhimmitude.

Well...looks like the North Dakotans got they priorities straight

[Link: www.grandforks.com...]

Ooh-Rah!

#67 Army Green:

{raises plastic bottle of water)

Okay, mine was coffee... I'm not actually drinking on the job (yet).

When a few historians and "commentators" (whatever that may be) claimed, after WW II, that Germany and Germans had been "hijacked" or "seduced" by radical National Socialism, other historians quickly quashed that excuse for Germany's path to conquest and genocide. People are responsible for what is done in their name. Radical Islam isn't "hijacking" young Muslims everywhere. They choose to embrace it, and its war against Western values.
The Dutch study is likely to fudge such a conclusion. Nobody likes to learn from history.

American solution:

Lock & Load! then show 'em the door!

OT: WE ARE BLESSED WITH SUCH BRILLIANT THINKERS: Pipes, VDH, Hitchens, Coulter etc..

Check out the ever fantastic Malkin and her video at Hot Air...

"The Night Before Fitzmas"

[Link: hotair.com...]

#84 Endangered
I was in for 20+ years it is eassier to say which units I wasn't in.
I was never in the 82nd, 101st or 10th MTN. In other words I was a straight legs straight leg. I started out in Mech Infantry in Germany 3AD and finsihed as an instructor at Ft Benning Home of the Infantry.

When I say this several times fast:

The Centrum voor Radicalisme en Extremisme Studies (CRES)

it ends up sounding something like "radicalism rectum studies in the crease".

Yup-that about sums up my humble opinion about studies like this. It's kind of like what the Muslims in Canada would like to have the Canadian government fund. A study on the "imported terror cult" that has infiltrated their peaceful, loving community.

*barf*

#78 grayp

Nothing significant happened to US military, open source reporting at least 24 dead in multiple attacks on Civilians and Iraqi Police targets.

More of the same senseless useless mindless violence carried out by Iraqis and Muslims against Iraqis and Muslims.

I even read a National Geographic article just a few months ago with dire predictions for Kirkuk. The Kurds are likely going to start there, slaughter thousands and start a civil war after we leave...they'll win and create their own nation.

#86 ploome hineni

regarding:

Buijs said on Wednesday that the government must provide alternatives for Salafism, a contemporary movement in Sunni Islam that seeks a return to the 'pure Islam' of the days of Mohammed.

how about deportation?

Works for me.

BTW, there is nothing "contemporary" about Salafism. Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab taught his bloody-handed radicalism in the freakin' 18th Century, damnit.

#90 observer

Radical Islam isn't "hijacking" young Muslims everywhere.

Nope.

But radical Muslims sure are highjacking all kinds of things everywhere...

BTW, Charles, you might want to rethink havin' Old Glory flappin' up there on the header. Might offend a KosKid or a Puffington Pimp, or (gasp) a moozlem if they should come blundering by. So veddy PC and all that rot. p.s. Go Army (and Navy, Marines, Air Force, Coast Guard, etc.)

#66 tigger

Now I'm back to walking around with a queasy feeling, grinding my teeth and muttering.

I have days like that and I'm having one today.

#70 Fjordman

In other words: To say that Islamic customs are "medieval" or "just like the Middle Ages" isn't an insult to Islam, it's an insult to the Middle Ages.

Very true. European Middle Ages produced the culture of Chivalry. They were as appalled then as we are now by the barbarity of the Islamic warriors.

OT, but I just want to say how much I love you lizards. (No, I'm not drunk.) I periodically troll around on Palestinian blogs, trying to provide a counterbalance to the scores of Useful Idiot comments out there (most of them written by American college kids, it seems). It gets really wearying, and it's so nice to be able to "come home" to a place of truth, reason, and sanity on this blog.

Formercorpsman,

one month early on my B-day but boy how I wish it were July...

I'm done here in August and really want to get home to my wife and baby girl.

Wife gave me a little book of thoughts to inspire Father-Daughter, one IIRC went something like:

From the first day of her life she will have you wrapped around her finger...and she knows it.

Keeping the faith, one day at a time.

#74 Tasty_Beverage

Kragar/Model4 in '08!

hmmm, the possibilities.

My platform is: If you dont like it here leave. If you cant, we'll help you.

How can we afford that? Well, we're gonna quit wasting money on the UN and nations that hate us. You want our money? We'll negotiate a trade agreement. Dont have anything worth selling? Tough luck. Try attracting private investors.

#101 A.J.I.J

There are lizards in Israel, you know...

Thanks Army Green. I knew Kirkuk was traditionally Kurdish, but I thought Saddam had done the 'ethnic cleansing' dance on 'em.

#40 Army Green since '92

Thank you for your service and happy hunting
To any one else out there who has served or is currently serving our country, Thank you for your service and sacrifice.

Amid all this hell and appeasement,

HAPPY FLAG DAY, EVERYONE.

OT

The inconvient truth liberals dont want to admit to

"Scientists have an independent obligation to respect and present the truth as they see it," Al Gore sensibly asserts in his film "An Inconvenient Truth", showing at Cumberland 4 Cinemas in Toronto since Jun 2. With that outlook in mind, what do world climate experts actually think about the science of his movie?

Professor Bob Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, in Australia gives what, for many Canadians, is a surprising assessment: "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention."

But surely Carter is merely part of what most people regard as a tiny cadre of "climate change skeptics" who disagree with the "vast majority of scientists" Gore cites?

No; Carter is one of hundreds of highly qualified non-governmental, non-industry, non-lobby group climate experts who contest the hypothesis that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are causing significant global climate change. "Climate experts" is the operative term here. Why? Because what Gore's "majority of scientists" think is immaterial when only a very small fraction of them actually work in the climate field.

Amid all this hell and appeasement,

HAPPY FLAG DAY, EVERYONE.

Ditto

#93 Just a Grunt.

Spearhead eh?

Hell on Wheels(Garlstadt) ,OPFOR at Ft Irwin and Old Ironsides for me.

God Bless these soldiers today.They have to deal with stuff I could only imagine.

#105 grayp

yes, Sodom(y) tried to make Kirkuk not-Kurdish and rather brutally. The Kurds have been moving back. US Spec Forces litterally held the Pesh Merga back in '03 or there would have been a serious bloodletting.

#108 Kragar

I think the MOST INCONVENIENT TRUTH is that Algore looks like a real chubbo nowadays. Maybe he should join the anti-trans fat campaign instead of being an enviropornographer.

Army Green since '92

I knew it was close. I am trying to post in between patients, so I caught only a few comments.

Nonetheless, I wish you and your family well.

You have more thoughts and prayers from the lizards than you could ever imagine.

Charles:
A suggested addendum to the LGF prayer:

Lord, also grant me the ability to clearly state my beliefs without resorting to a call for indescriminate death or the wanton destruction of property

OT, but this really is maddening..Olmert *spit* kisses Chiraq's froggy tush. Feh!

#111 Army Green

US Spec Forces litterally held the Pesh Merga back in '03 or there would have been a serious bloodletting

Hell Is Over : Voices of the Kurds after Saddam, An Oral History

It'll break your heart.

#101 American Jewess in Jerusalem
and we love youse too
~ Rocky Balboa
;~P

#108 Kragar

Excellent article.

Appearing before the Commons Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development last year, Carleton University paleoclimatologist Professor Tim Patterson testified, "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years." Patterson asked the committee, "On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"

Mr Gore, your response?

#82 christheprofessor
Thats right! And I guarantee you that the Hildebeast in in that 50%.

#112 Writermom

I think the MOST INCONVENIENT TRUTH is that Algore looks like a real chubbo nowadays

I swear he looks and acts as tho' he's on steriods. I looked like that after a 6-day pack of Prednasone I had to take for a pinched nerve.
And I was a nut case, too.

[yawns]

Time to go, thanks for all the well wishes, I'll pass them on in my prayers to all the Soldiers out on the roads, in the towns and villages, on the towers, and flying over this place.

re-posting from earlier a great tale of real heroes, from todays Stars and Stripes

[Link: stripes.com...]

We need more academic commisions! More blue-ribbon panels! It's all so mystifying!

#103 Kragar

My platform is: If you dont like it here leave. If you cant, we'll help you.

I would add, if you desire to turn this place right into the shithole you or your parents just came from, GTFO as well.

OT?/ Speaking of people exiting, it looks as though the Feds are working hard:

National sweep nets nearly 2,100 illegal immigrants

BOSTON -- A swarm of federal immigration agents sped silently, headlights off, down a Boston side street early Wednesday and surrounded an apartment house.

"Police! Policia! Police!" yelled Daniel Monico, a deportation officer, holding his badge to a window where someone had pulled back the curtain. "Open the door!"

Moments later, agents led a dazed-looking Jose Ferreira Da Silva, 35, out in handcuffs. The Brazilian had been arrested in 2002 and deported, but had slipped back into the country. He now faces up to 20 years in prison.

In a blitz that began May 26, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has arrested nearly 2,100 illegal immigrants across the country. Officials said the raids are aimed at child molesters, gang members and other violent criminals, as well as people like Da Silva who sneaked back into the country after a judge threw them out.

The crackdown is called Operation Return to Sender.
...
The challenge, agents said, is staggering.

There are more than 500,000 "fugitive aliens" who have been deported by judges and either slipped back into the country or never left. There is often a disconnect between local and state prisons and the federal government that allows illegal immigrants to serve time and be released without being transferred to federal officials for deportation.

[Link: www.wfsb.com...]

18 Kragar (proud to be kafir) Postulates:

"40% of young Moroccan Muslims in the Netherland's reject Western values and democracy."

Then get the FUCK OUT of the Netherlands you dark age savages and take your fucking mosques and sharia with you.

Didn't take a million dollar study to figure that one out, did it?

well, if they reject western values and democracy then let's give them some of what they want

let's start by changing the focus of Christian churches to not one of benevolent prayer, tolerance and giving to intolerant hostile war-mongering
just like Islam

since we in the west seem to have the best guns, let's take it to them like they'd want to do to us

hell, they're asking, no BEGGING for it for crying out loud

give them what they want
I'll donate the first dull saw

Happy Birthday US Army

Happy Flag Day, too.

June 14,1777 — Continental Congress adopts the following: Resolved: that the flag of the United States be thirteen stripes, alternate red and white; that the union be thirteen stars, white in a blue field, representing a new constellation.(stars represent Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Georgia, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maryland, South Carolina, New Hampshire, Virginia, New York, North Carolina, and Rhode Island)

114 jamgarr

Hear, hear! (here, too please.)

Remember when "Young Dutch" meant little Ronald Reagan...with that adorable bowl hair cut. It's nearly two years since Pres. Reagan's last trip down Pennsylvania Avenue to lie in State at the Capitol.

"Dutch" Yoots today: dirka dirka dutch jihadis.

Castro has condemned the killing of Zarqawi.

It's not surprising, but it's still so bizarre. I mean, we were able to ally with the Commies and Socialists against Nazi Germany. The Islamists make the Nazis look almost like gentlemen, and they are certainly no friends of Godless Commies and Socialists. Do Castro, Chavez et. al. truly, honestly believe they can be friends with the Islamists? Or would they truly, honestly prefer the Islamists as adversaries, rather than the U.S.? Are they so blinded by hatred of the U.S. that they simply cannot see that the Islamists want their heads only slightly less than they want the heads of Americans, Israelis, Europeans, and everyone else?

Sure they reject western values and democracy but if you were to tell them they were about to be deported back to their lower-than-third-world hell hole, they'd crap their lovely western designed duds. I also suspect they would sorely miss other western niceties, like clean water and indoor plumbing, and medicine and modern dentistry, etc and ad infinitum.

are not the Dutch peoples ruled by a Monarchy if my memory seems to be correct? therefore there are some freedoms of liberty however the dutch Monarchs have control? Someone correct me if I am wrong please.

#130 Tigger2005

Castro has condemned the killing of Zarqawi.

Delightful. Conclusive proof that the Americans did the right thing.

And I don't need no freaking federal study to tell you that!

The Centrum voor Radicalisme en Extremisme Studies (CRES) is being hosted by the University of Amsterdam (UvA) and will bring together researchers from various universities to advance the study of religious radicalisation in the Netherlands.

Buffet Lunch. Cocktails followed by dinner in the evening.

#128 Perry

Yeah, it was #50 (smoking crater mosques) that ticked me off. I'm not advocating that anyone be nixed - I'm a fan of free expression, but I sometimes get frustrated with the rhetoric.

40% of Young Dutch Muslims Reject Democracy are idiots.

Fixed that for ya.

#124 scooter

We have a large influx of Irish illegals here, and there is also a sweep. Could the INS finally be getting a clue?

Are you in Boston?

OT, but for any golfers, the US Open is being held about 10 minutes from us...what a mess. Traffic in a small village on LI Sound, about 40 minutes from Manhattan? Impossible!

Just_A_Grunt

Today is the birthday of THE ARMY They are 231 years young and going strong.

Oooops.

Happy Birthday to the US ARMY!

#138 Loppy D

Can we blow out the candles now?

#137 NY Nana

Hi, Nana!:D

No, I live in the South. Even though we are not a border state we are feeling the effects (and strain) of an influx of illegal immigrants.

A friend of mine who lives in San Diego has worried for many years about illegal immigration. He couldn't understand why the rest of the country paid no attention to their plight. I assured him that enough years had passed, the effects were being felt far beyond the border states and that illegal immigration was a hot topic everywhere.

I hope the message is getting through, but we'll have to keep the pressure on.

NY Nana

My first round of gold ever was on Winged Foot. People asked me whether it was a good course and I didn't know how to answer -- I had nothing to compare it to.

Nederlanders, there is no need to commision a study... Let me break it down for you: muslims have a gang-banger mentality. Kindness and reason are seen as weakness by gang-bangers... Your euro-socialist condescending multi-culti bunghole licking is even worse, it makes muslims see you as punk assed bitches... Their unholy koran commands them to conquer you... In short, you are PREY!

What do you suppose is the % of Leftists who would align themselves with their democracy rejecting Mussalman brethren (whose actual % is probably much higher .. but is publicly deflated for fear of 'retaliation' - unlike the Leftists who proudly and publicly declare hatred for all democratic systems) ?

While the Dutch are studying the Muslims the Muslims will be killing the Dutch.

NY Nana

The article doesn't say why the Irish want to come here so bad. I can see if you live in some sh*thole country like...well, I won't name any names. But what makes them want to get out of Ireland so bad?

Or is just that the U.S. is a swell place to live and prosper?

#140 scooter

It is epedemic in all the States, and I just do not understand why it took so long to even make a preliminary, heisant move. Not nearly enough is boing done. I wonder how many illegals have entered as we are typing about 5 posts on just this thread. Bet every poster, in so many states, has a tale to tell on the illegals.

The same paper has this history of immigration.I am the granddaughter of 4 legal immigrants, who came here from Lithuania and the UK early in the 20^th Century. 3 of them had to learn English. There were no ESL programs, thankfully.

#141 Cato

So you can say 'Mamaroneck'! :)

People asked me whether it was a good course and I didn't know how to answer -- I had nothing to compare it to.

It is supposed to be a difficult course. And we have had so much rain. In retrospect, what do you think?

The crackdown is called Operation Return to Sender.

Karl Rove you magnificent bastard!

Now that's brilliant political judo!

#145 Dave the...

Not a clue. But it has been like this for as long as I can remember. There are now excellent jobs in Ireland for those with a university education. IIRC, not that many years ago, Ireland had the highest percentage of university grads in Europe.

Intesting re Yonkers. They have a very large arab population, too.

Another article re illegal Irish immigration, this in Queens, in 2 communities with large Irish populations. Seems simliar to the one here, in our county.

Perhaps the quota system the INS uses causes this? There has not been a problem, nor do I remember any illegal Irish residents being terrorists, etc. Still, the law is the law, and right now? It is far too weak.

#146 NY Nana

At least the Feds seem to be rounding up the illegals with criminal records...how pathetic is it to grateful for that much?!

It really is reaching a point where tolerant people are losing patience. In addition, from the moment the 'debate' began, we were admonished not 'to-do-this-or-say-that'. We were essentially told to keep our mouths shut and say nothing while the Senate introduced that abomination of a bill.

Being told to "shut up" and "suck it up" has infuriated folks around here.

It won't do to get into all aspects, but I will say this. This is Bush country. I've always known Bush was weak on this issue, but most people are asking why follow the enormous vision of spreading democracy in ME countries when we refuse to defend our sovereignty? We are asking why we refuse to protect Americans in our own country!

As someone who is sensitive to the constant sneers and criticisms of ordinary folk who live in one of those dreadful 'flyover zones', it seems odd that no one recognizes that we are aware that the illegal immigration issue is a matter of national security and that beyond that, it has significant economic and social implications.

We understand the impact that illegal immigration has on our communities. This is real life. Political opportunists and elites are making fools of themselves, and they will have a price to pay. We already have.

My concern is that when tempers reach a certain point, things start to boil over. The pols don't get it.

Speaking of illegals being deported. Over in
the Canary Islands they've started rounding
some of them up, giving them a bit of money, and then flying them back to their point of origin.

#149 NY Nana:

Looking at your article:

had been indicted May 18 for allegedly encouraging three Irish nationals to enter the United States illegally

The Buffalo-based smuggling ring has been under investigation since 2004, when authorities charged the owner of Campbell’s Pub with aiding illegal Irish Immigrants. During that case, the owner, Bridget Campbell, pleaded guilty and admitted that between 30-50 Irish nationals had been smuggled into the country.

When we're talking about single and double digits, this is the normal level of lawbreaking that one can expect.

When we're talking about 11-15 million, that's a horse of a different color. Wholescale demographic shift.

#149 NY Nana

Interesting information on illegal Irish immigrants. It's odd because Ireland has a vibrant economy, and for the last several years has been considered to be a model one at that!

Strange, to say the least. It doesn't make sense knowing the rules to become entrenched financially as indicated in the former article. It's a risk I would not take.

Corporate investment is one thing, but residing in the US illegally as a citizen, owning a business, etc. certainly is a testament that no one respects our laws.

#150 scooter:

Being told to "shut up" and "suck it up" "you racist nativist!" has infuriated folks around here

Fixed it for ya...

#154 Occasional Reader

Gracias, amigo! :D

@153 scooter
Last week there was an interview with an illegal
who was being flown back to his native country
after being in the states for 24 years, all his family is here and he owns a business. Didn't stop them from deporting him via plane.

#150 scooter

As someone who is sensitive to the constant sneers and criticisms of ordinary folk who live in one of those dreadful 'flyover zones', it seems odd that no one recognizes that we are aware that the illegal immigration issue is a matter of national security and that beyond that, it has significant economic and social implications.

We understand the impact that illegal immigration has on our communities. This is real life. Political opportunists and elites are making fools of themselves, and they will have a price to pay. We already have.

My concern is that when tempers reach a certain point, things start to boil over. The pols don't get it.

I agree with you. And the ramifications of the economic and social implications are going to overwhelm us all. Hospitals are closing. Our local one, which was affliliated with the Columbia University hospital system, and with a top notch ER? Closed.Be an American by birth, with no insurance? Try to get care ,but the hospitals are told to take any illegal and treat them..and the various communities tell their illegals to go with no fear. United Hospital had to close, as the Medicare payments for the mobs of illegals overwhelmed the system. The public schhols are overwhelmed, also.

Re the damage done by the cult of islam? If 9/11 was not enough of a wake up call, may G-d help us. What would it take? We cannot allow those here illegally to stay and be given citizenship. Would we reward a murderer by releasing him from jail? (I admit that is a stupid question; we already know the answer.)

How many more terrorists must come over our borders? Enough to try another 9/11?

This is on local TV now. There is a video.

Dial a customer support number? Press 1 fo English, 2 for Spanish. More and more online sites have a Spanish option. Canada is bilingual, but it was made so by law. We desperately need a law that makes English the only language of the USA. And automatically granting US citizenship to any baby born here? No!

I have a feeling that I am not saying one single word that hasn't already been said.

The Centrum voor Radicalisme en Extremisme Studies (CRES) is being hosted by the University of Amsterdam (UvA) and will bring together researchers from various universities to advance the study of religious radicalisation in the Netherlands.

No wonder the West is struggling badly against the Jihadis when we have ivory tower-dwelling politically-correct professors advising our leaders. These professors might be educated, but they're not educated in the University of Life, i.e. the real world outside their confines and its workings. They spend their time with their heads buried in books and as a result are totally cut off from real life and oblivious to the Islamic threat we are once again facing. Those who can offer the best advice are ex-Muslims and those who have had to fight against Jihadis. But do we have such people amongst our advisers anywhere in the West? Obviously not. Folks like Winston Churchill and John Quincy Adams learned about Islam the hard way, but the potentially priceless pearls of wisdom they left behind in their writings are totally ignored by those in Government throughout the West, who, probably encouraged by these worthless 'advisers', continue to parrot the "Islam is a religion of peace" mantra, and as a result Western countries have know-nothing populations which brand those who dare criticise Islam as racists, bigots and fascists. Just imagine what sort of world we would be living in today if those who dared criticise Nazis back in 1940 were described as fascists and racists by everyone. This self-destructive PCism discourages people from using plain old common sense - much to our detriment, and for every day longer it takes us to learn about what we are up against and what the consequences will be if we lose, the greater the peril we face, and we all ought to remember these words from Andre Servier who wrote back in 1922: "Islam was not a torch, as has been claimed, but an extinguisher. Conceived in a barbarous brain for the use of a barbarous people, it was - and it remains - incapable of adapting itself to civilization. Wherever it has dominated, it has broken the impulse towards progress and checked the evolution of society." It's still true, 84 years later.

#153

I agree with every word. I just can not understand it.

#156 Quarks

Last week there was an interview with an illegal
who was being flown back to his native country
after being in the states for 24 years, all his family is here and he owns a business. Didn't stop them from deporting him via plane.

It's about time! Now if they have massive round ups, and deportations? Mazel tov! I fear that they are doing it for show...we just cannot afford the overwhelming influx of illegals. And anyone who is caught and deported? They can not return.

ICE Arrests About 2,000 Illegal Immigrants

#156 quark2

Last week there was an interview with an illegal
who was being flown back to his native country
after being in the states for 24 years, all his family is here and he owns a business. Didn't stop them from deporting him via plane.

Glad to hear it! Don't get me wrong, here. I'm sure that people in this situation will obtain citizenship, liquidate their businesses or be compensated in some manner.

My concern is that our laws are not respected because we do not enforce them. That said, it makes sense for people to abuse them. Why not?

There is plenty of blame to go around, but for the most part, I'm angry with our government organizations for not enforcing existing laws leaving the taxpayers to pick up the pieces. It's ridiculous.

OT- Pardon me if this has already been posted, but a glimmer of light

@161 scooter
There was nothing in the report about recompensation to the guy being deported.
He was told to not come back unless he's willing
to get in line.

If only the immigration laws were enforced 1/10 as much as seatbelt laws. Sigh!

So the Dutch could start by rejecting ** 40% of the ' Young Muslims ' living there.

** AKA ' deporting '

Related.

Myspace: Arranged marriages between US youngsters, conversion to Islam and Immigration.

West Bank Family Upset by MySpace No-Show

Scooter #140

I do also (live in the South), and we feel the effects, all right... increased crime as gangs prey on illegals, and car insurance premiums goin' thru the roof...

#162 Greg

Yes, I saw that. Too bad they didn't have enough evidence to lock them up forever.

My understanding is that the French don't treat their prisoners as well as we do. So I guess they won't have copies of the Koran, specially cooked meals, etc.

International Prison Observation Center President Gabriel Mouesca said that socio-economic conditions not the religion is effective in why half of all French prisoners are Muslims. Despite Islam being the most common religion in prisons, Muslim convicts have many problems. The biggest one is not being able to exercise their religious obligations comfortably. The lack of small mosques, in addition to religious officials, is another concern for Muslims who are also complaining about the food served in prisons.

[Link: www.zaman.com...]

Whatever. I won't lose any sleep over their 'smalll mosques, right to exercise religious obligations 'comfortably' (spit) and complaints about the food.

In their countries of origin they would probably be dead or dismembered. In our countries, they retain the right to life with fewer liberties, yet they complain about the food and enough room to squat for Allah.

/feh

Here is an article from our local ABC news, in 3 parts, with videos, on the incredibly porous border with México.

IF you figured in lying of Muslim 90% are against liberal democracy.

The majority are opposed to freedom of speech for offensive statements, particularly criticism of Islam.

Muslims opposed to people questing their "peaceful" religion, never!

/sarc

#132 arier-Tzvi

are not the Dutch peoples ruled by a Monarchy if my memory seems to be correct? therefore there are some freedoms of liberty however the dutch Monarchs have control? Someone correct me if I am wrong please.

The monarch is not in control -- at least, not in the way I think you mean.

Holland has a constitutional monarchy; the monarch's role / powers are defined and limited by the constitution.

The monarch is head of state, but not head of government (which is elected). Holland is in this regard similar to the UK, Australia, Canada, New Zealand...

My daughter was standing over my shoulder reading this story. She asked, "Is this true Daddy? And how many [bigoted word]s are there in the Netherlands?" "Great question!" I replied. Then we looked up the data and did the math:

Netherlands pop. est. 16 Million

[bigoted word]s living in NDL, est. 920K - roughly 6%

# NDL [bigoted word]s who reject Democracy - 368K

# NDL [bigoted word]s who would use force to defend Islame, i.e. are terrorists: 55-74K.

"Are there really that many people who have such hatred in their hearts," she asked? I replied affirmatively and pointed out that this figure was from the NDL alone. Apply those percentages to the world's 1.5B [bigoted word]s and the figures become staggering.

But then, my daughter paused for a moment and quietly asked this simple question, "Dad," she said "Why does our President call Islame the religion of peace when so many of its followers are violent and so full of hatred?".

Bright kid - unfazed by the lefty loons and MSM. I gave her an A+

#11 nonic

Exactly. You "get it". Earl awards one of his coveted Lizard Stars.

What islam requires is the equivalent of an Enlightenment. Which would, of course, gainsay vast tracts of the Qur'an and ahadith and, effectively, gut the entire mohammedan belief system.

Odds are?

#70 Fjordman

Don't forget Deobandism. Same goal, different-part-of-the-Asian-continent bunch of mohammedans.

Makes you wonder what the Dutch were thinking when they opened the "floodgates" and allowed the filthy tide of islam (never capitalized, never respected) and the vermin that practice it flood their once lovely country.

No place for the muslim among upright walking humans...

When the jihad migrates from France, guess where the next target?

Sounds to me like the Verplonk bitch, responsible for Ali Hirsi moving over here, has been hoist on her own petard. :-)

I hope the jihadim have fun trying to burn Dutch bicycles. Just might wake the stoopid Dutchmen up yet!

#162 Greg in Seattle
OT- Pardon me if this has already been posted, but a glimmer of light From France (of all places)

Compare how Agence France Presse reports it. Some subtle differences, but more factual than the (gasp!) BBC.

# 144 Prester

"I am going to cut off your head now, Infidel!"

"OK, but please give a copy of that videotape to my colleagues so they can study your fascinating cultural habits."

40% reject democracy?
Well, I guess they won't do anything until there's at least another 10% think like them...

No, wait...

The Dutch did wake up...briefly. They seem mostly to be back in a dream-state. That's why I write under this name. Pim Fortuyn was IMPORTANT. He stood up to this anti-assimilation nonsense. More need to or all is lost.

#108 Kragar,

Check out a website called envirotruth.org for more research by Dr. Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist at Carleton University, and others.

Global warming is a complete and utter crock. Most people don't even know that the IPCC reports come in two parts: hard science for us academically-minded types, and a separate "public policy" report for government types. The two make very different claims.

Sorry about going off-topic, y'all, but this is exactly the ammo you need to blow away your enviro-hippie friends.

Interesting. About 13 years ago I went with a "Youth With a Mission" team to Amsterdam. The "base" was filled with guys in hip urban streetwear, almost like punkrockers (no Ned Flanders, these guys), who would spend their evenings trying to meet people and talk about their faith. They had initiatives in the red light district with women giving manicures to the window-sitters, talking about spirituality. These prostitutes would often cry because this innocent touch (manicure) and selfless conversation was so rare in their worlds. The tough-guy evangelists would often try to hold out the idea that life isn't an empty hedonistic pursuit, to the swarm of European kids that come to Amsterdam for drugs, concupiscence, etc.

These men and women are certainly reviled in some quarters in America for proselytizing, evangelizing, when they're doing it in the most hostile of places with total dedication.

Now consider these muslim immigrant to Holland. as mentioned in the article. Are they trying to win souls to the dar- Al Islam, or just hating those who aren't in it? If they truly believe infidels are going to hell, isn't it inhuman not to care about that?

Who can respect a piety that has such a selfish and cruel worldview?

#132 arier_Tzvi 6/14/2006 01:24PM PDT

are not the Dutch peoples ruled by a Monarchy if my memory seems to be correct? therefore there are some freedoms of liberty however the dutch Monarchs have control? Someone correct me if I am wrong please.

Like jacka #172 said: The Monarch [queen Beatrix] is not in control, but she does have a lot of influence on our government.
She's a lefty and she acts like one.

Last week she visited the Mobarak Mosque in The Hague. The Mobarak Mosque is the oldest mosque in the Netherlands. It was established 50 years ago. Like all visitors the Queen took off her shoes before entering the mosque. However, she also agreed not to shake hands with the imams and radical religious leaders running the mosque. According to the imams, who belong to a radical group, Islam forbids them to touch women other than their wives. Jan-Peter Balkenende, the Dutch Prime Minister, praised the Queen for the “example of religious tolerance” that she had given by not shaking hands. The conservative politician Geert Wilders, however, told Parliament on Wednesday that he had been “greatly irritated” by the Queen and the Prime Minister, who “under the pretext of tolerance are selling out Dutch values such as the equality between men and women.”

In truth this “tolerance” of Beatrix is a sham, which is proved by the fact that in 1982 she refused to visit a group of radical Orthodox Jews because they... refuse to shake hands with women.

*sigh*

The latests: A blind man and his seeing-dog was refused by muslim-cabdrivers into their taxi [and there are a lot of muslim-cabdrivers] because dogs are 'unclean' according to islam.

[Link: www.at5.nl...]

Some good news: There's a new political party on it's way, already with a huge number of members, who are totally fed up with islam and the islam-apologists who rule our country.
Keep your fingers crossed for us, please.
We need to get rid of this cancer spreading through the Netherlands.