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British Euphemism Watch: "Positive Discrimination"

Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 6:20:50 pm PDT

The chairman of the British Commission for Racial Equality is in favor of “positive discrimination” to increase the number of Muslims in the police force: Race law update needed, Phillips. (Hat tip: LGF readers.)

Britain’s race laws need updating to help in the battle against terrorism, the chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality (CRE) has said.

Trevor Phillips has called for a debate on positive discrimination in favour of Muslims applying to join the police.

“Positive discrimination.” That one gets a 9+ on the LGF Euphemism Scale.

In the speech to be given at the Social Policy Forum at the Government Office for London, he will say that British Muslims are as committed to tackling “terrorism” as anyone else.

Actually, there’s more than a little evidence that exactly the opposite is true. Here’s one story we linked to last February: British Muslims: 40% Want Shari’a Law.

Here’s another one, from last July: Poll: 1/4 of UK Muslims Support 7/7 Bombers.

Not to mention this: Secret UK Report: Muslim Police Corrupt.

And then, of course, there’s this: Cartoon Madness on Video.

The initiative to recruit more Muslim police officers isn’t necessarily a terrible idea, although doing it via “positive discrimination” gives me a headache. But what do you want to bet these new police recruits will never be asked where they stand on the global jihad? Without some kind of screening for radicals, this initiative is simply asking for the police to be infiltrated—just like the British media already have been.

And of course, where would any such initiative be without an implicit threat?

Mr Phillips, a former head of the National Union of Students, will also warn that it cannot be taken for granted that Muslim communities will put up with anti-terror searches indefinitely.

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1 fireangel  6/18/06 4:23:07 pm reply quote

More muslim cops? That's a stupid idea.

2 realwest  6/18/06 4:25:00 pm reply quote

Does "Positive Discrimination" = "Affirmitive Action"?

3 looking closely  6/18/06 4:28:18 pm reply quote

Positive discrimination = affirmative action = institutional racism.

Here's an idea. If British Muslims want to join the ranks of the Bobbies, have them compete on merit just like anyone else.

4 hayseed  6/18/06 4:28:38 pm reply quote

the banjer brigade is calling

5 angst  6/18/06 4:29:22 pm reply quote

Remember the recent UK police corruption story? www.guardian.co.uk...] target="_blank">
So why would the British go't. want to hire Muslim Asian police? Perhaps to make up for the fact that they dared published such a report in the first place? That's what I call high-speed appeasement.

6 Luigi  6/18/06 4:30:42 pm reply quote
Britain’s race laws need updating

Gack..

7 Irene NYC  6/18/06 4:32:26 pm reply quote

And how do you suppose the good Commissioner for Racial Equality will spin this while he's talking about hiring more muslim officers?

A secret high-level Metropolitan police report has concluded that Muslim officers are more likely to become corrupt than white officers because of their cultural and family backgrounds.


Maybe he'll just forget?

(Link below because it's not working properly.)

8 angst  6/18/06 4:34:57 pm reply quote
9 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  6/18/06 4:36:27 pm reply quote

OT: but what the heck happened to Phil Mickelson? one shot in a trash can, one off a hospitality tent, and one into a tree--on the same hole? ? ?

Poor bubbala. I mean, really. :-(

10 Irene NYC  6/18/06 4:37:04 pm reply quote

The link is formatting wide, so here's the beginning of the article.

Secret report brands Muslim police corrupt

Fury over internal Met study which says Asians need special training

Sandra Laville and Hugh Muir
Saturday June 10, 2006
The Guardian

A secret high-level Metropolitan police report has concluded that Muslim officers are more likely to become corrupt than white officers because of their cultural and family backgrounds.
The document, which has been seen by the Guardian, has caused outrage among ethnic minorities within the force, who have labelled it racist and proof that there is a gulf in understanding between the police force and the wider Muslim community. The document was written as an attempt to investigate why complaints of misconduct and corruption against Asian officers are 10 times higher than against their white colleagues.

The main conclusions of the study, commissioned by the Directorate of Professional Standards and written by an Asian detective chief inspector, stated: "Asian officers and in particular Pakistani Muslim officers are under greater pressure from the family, the extended family ... and their community against that of their white colleagues to engage in activity that might lead to misconduct or criminality."

It recommended that Asian officers needed special anti-corruption training and is now being considered by a working party of senior staff.

The report argued that British Pakistanis live in a cash culture in which "assisting your extended family is considered a duty" and in an environment in which large amounts of money are loaned between relatives and friends.

11 angst  6/18/06 4:37:19 pm reply quote

Irene- that link must have a magic mohammed curse on it. I couldn't get it to work in my first post, either!

12 talldude682  6/18/06 4:37:21 pm reply quote

#3-looking closely

Positive discrimination = affirmative action = institutional racism.
Exactly my thought...

BTW, as they say on Rush and Sean..Long time reader, first time poster.

13 pegcity  6/18/06 4:37:33 pm reply quote

postive discrimination, discrimination against Jews

14 Irene NYC  6/18/06 4:37:53 pm reply quote

Thanks angst!
;)

15 SlothB77  6/18/06 4:38:20 pm reply quote
Britain’s race laws need updating to help in the battle against terrorism

by making the terrorists policeman? Woah. Better get those knives back.

this makes about as much sense as

Toynbee ideas in Kubrick's 2001 resurrect dead on planet Jupiter

16 storagemanager  6/18/06 4:38:54 pm reply quote
We have serious problems with the hiring of language specialists. Background investigations are not being conducted properly, and we're giving people top secret clearance who shouldn¹t have it. And we have espionage cases because of it."
—FBI counterintellence veteran John M. Cole
17 aRedPhishHead  6/18/06 4:39:17 pm reply quote

Orwell was right.

18 Obi-wan  6/18/06 4:39:48 pm reply quote

Stick a fork in Great Britain; she's done(for).

19 storagemanager  6/18/06 4:40:38 pm reply quote
"I personally know of five Muslim translators, and three out of the five refused to do their work. You can't trust them to translate another Muslim. You'd have to have somebody go over it again. Now that's a huge problem, because most of your subjects in terrorism are Muslim."
—FBI counterterrorism veteran John Vincent, Chicago field office.


"

I don't know if Mueller knows what he's doing, or if he's lost. All I know is the CYA culture and the PC culture are still bad there" at FBI headquarters."
—former FBI counterintelligence agent Tom Bloch
20 Irene NYC  6/18/06 4:42:38 pm reply quote

#11 angst

Irene- that link must have a magic mohammed curse on it. I couldn't get it to work in my first post, either!

Maybe the Guardian has figured out a way to sabotage links to articles that they would prefer not to float around the internet too widely?

;)

/paranoia OFF

21 realwest  6/18/06 4:44:22 pm reply quote

#7 Irene NYC - Hi Irene! Link below what?!?

22 Buckaroo  6/18/06 4:44:39 pm reply quote

# 12 td

Welcome!

As M. Steyn says so often, the nihlism of multi-culti is well on its way to causing Eurabia to fall ...
:-(

23 realwest  6/18/06 4:46:59 pm reply quote

#12 talldude682 - Welcome aboard LGF!

24 Irene NYC  6/18/06 4:47:08 pm reply quote

Hi realwest!
The link to the Guardian article about muslim police corruption.

Don't tell me you missed it! (If you did, check out angst's link in #8, above.)

;)

(Wasn't the weather in the city the pits today?)

25 storagemanager  6/18/06 4:48:41 pm reply quote
We are against all forms of terrorism. Our religion is against terrorism."
—Abdurahman Alamoudi, after 1998's U.S. embassies attacks, which he later secretly lamented had killed far too few Americans, according to court documents that helped put him away on terror-related charges last year
"PC is still tying our hands in fighting terrorism. And I think the American people will lose their resolve, and we'll continue to waste billions of dollars on CTX [bomb-scanning] machines and other weapons-screening equipment rather than profile passengers, and the political correctness will win."
—Edmond L. Soliday, former United Airlines vice president of security operations

9- 10 -01 thinking....back again...

26 angst  6/18/06 4:48:57 pm reply quote

Yes, Irene. The Guardian knows Charles has a page shot of it stashed somewhere, so they actually can't retract it...
/doubleplus paranoia off

27 Noam Sayin'  6/18/06 4:49:18 pm reply quote

Welcome, talldude.

Git yer old buddy, Noam, a beer, will ya?

28 BingoBunny  6/18/06 4:50:06 pm reply quote

One of the terrorists favorite tactics is put on fake uniforms and walk into places using the power of the government to take over... Can't do that properly if no one expects to see muslims in police uniforms can we.. they might get suspicious and call to see if those bobbies are the real deal.

29 hayseed  6/18/06 4:51:58 pm reply quote

wellcome talldude can you play the banjer

30 Irene NYC  6/18/06 4:52:48 pm reply quote

#26 angst

Those durn terrorists must've given those durn ex-commies at the Guardian their extra-secret djinn to try to throw us off their scent. I'm just so proud that our lead lizard knows how to outsmart even their wiliest djinn!

;)

31 realwest  6/18/06 4:54:06 pm reply quote

#24 Irene NYC - What we ALL missed was Charles linked to it (actually an "old" LGF Thread about it) in his introduction to this thread! LOL!
Yes the weather in the City was (and still is) the pits today - it's currently 86 degrees at 9:50PM.
BTW, in Charlotte, N.C., it's 72 degrees!
On top of the heat, there was an advisory about the terrible quality of the air in the City today, as if that means anything; whadda we gonna do, stop breathing?!

32 angst  6/18/06 4:55:36 pm reply quote

# 30 Irene
Ex commies at the Guardian? You are too kind. I think their commie certification is up-to-date. Sometimes I fear for my friends across the pond, then I read the Telegraph and feel better. Until the Dixie Chicks article this week, that is.

33 realwest  6/18/06 4:56:34 pm reply quote

#27 Noam Sayin' - HEY NOAM! If you want a beer, you must be back to feeling normal, eh?

34 Irene NYC  6/18/06 4:58:24 pm reply quote

#31 realwest

I swear to god that link was not visible on my monitor. That terrorist djinn just erased it from view! LOL! You're right of course!

My sis called to warn me about how bad the air quality was. And yes, you're just supposed to hold your breath. Didn't you know? We're all practising for when they gas the subways and we'll REALLY have to hold our breaths.

35 storagemanager  6/18/06 4:59:29 pm reply quote

yes...Nazi Germany......and Saddam worked to get inside the police and the Armed forces...Most Muslims Countrys respect and Study Hitler.Saddam sure did.

36 Irene NYC  6/18/06 5:01:00 pm reply quote

#32 angst

Well, I'm not known for being very kind. Mistaken, yes, and often! When I wrote "ex-commie" that was a mistake. Pure and simple.

P.S. I used to love the Tele too, but now that they've fired Mark Steyn from their entire group of publications and revamped their website to be more warm and fuzzy, I'm really having second thoughts.

;)

37 angst  6/18/06 5:01:43 pm reply quote

#31 realwest
I second Irene's #34 comment. I swear that link wasn't in Charles' original post. I mean, TWO of us missed it. Of course, I do hyperventilate a bit over these things. I could have blanked out and woke up just as I hit the "publish this comment," button ;-)

38 Noam Sayin'  6/18/06 5:09:22 pm reply quote

#33 realwest

That's just something I say to the newbies. Sometimes I can get them to wax my Jeep.

Actually, I'm sipping on a nice Cali cabernet right now, since some newbie won't GET ME A FRICKIN' BEER!

39 hayseed  6/18/06 5:11:13 pm reply quote

# 35 storeage manager satan still walks this world

40 friedmanfan  6/18/06 5:12:58 pm reply quote

Put this next to welfare on the list of great ideas.

41 westoner  6/18/06 5:13:02 pm reply quote

For those who do not know, the Commission for Racial Equality is an un-elected body that was set up by the Labour government 30 years ago.

From its name, you could be forgiven for thinking that it is a genuine body actually interested in promoting good race relations. Unfortunately, nothing could be further from the truth. Its whole purpose has been to ram the state enforced policy of multiculturalism down the British people’s throats. To this end it bullies companies, other government agencies, the police and the army forces, to ensure that PC dogma is strictly followed.

It has been notorious in seeking out and condemning private companies for under representation of minorities, all while ignoring minority owned companies that employ very few, if any, white people, and despite itself being way over represented in minorities.

Far from promoting good race relations, it has been a totally partisan organisation. It may have the word “Equality” in its name, but that is certainly not what they are about. During its 30 year history it has consistently ignored race attacks on the native population, as it doesn’t fit their leftist agenda of white oppressor – black victim.

So bullshit about “positive discrimination” is about what you would expect from this organisation. Like the BBC, its just another sign of the rot within Britain.

42 Peter Verkooijen  6/18/06 5:14:43 pm reply quote

"Positive discrimination" - positieve discriminatie - has always been the Dutch term for "affirmative action"...

43 friarstale  6/18/06 5:20:43 pm reply quote

this is a case of a government undermining the standing of its native born citizens

I won't comment whether I feel that also happens in the US

44 hayseed  6/18/06 5:22:42 pm reply quote

all i can say is hold a door open for some one tomorrow. prove you'r love hate sucks, love wins

45 Irene NYC  6/18/06 5:23:04 pm reply quote

#41 westoner

It may have the word “Equality” in its name, but that is certainly not what they are about.

Oh, that's an old commie trick from, um, 80 years or so ago. Gotta give them credit cuz it still works with most of the people most of the time!

46 Gabba Gabba Hey  6/18/06 5:23:50 pm reply quote
Mr Phillips, a former head of the National Union of Students, will also warn that it cannot be taken for granted that Muslim communities will put up with anti-terror searches indefinitely.

And by the same token Mr. Phillips, it cannot be taken for granted that communities will put up with Muslims indefinitely.

47 Irene NYC  6/18/06 5:25:03 pm reply quote

#42 Peter Verkooijen

"Positive discrimination" - positieve discriminatie - has always been the Dutch term for "affirmative action"...

Yes, well in Engleesh it's known as Orwellian Doublespeak.

48 pegcity  6/18/06 5:30:15 pm reply quote

Im getting sick of hearing about dhimmi Britain.

Im ready to say screw them KOS style.

49 shug  6/18/06 5:31:25 pm reply quote

Pick a new name for the Bibbies in this era of positive discrimination

Al-Babbas?

50 shug  6/18/06 5:32:04 pm reply quote

bibbies?

I meant Bobbies

51 goodbye_natalie  6/18/06 5:35:44 pm reply quote

A bit of good news for sanity:

Presbyterians Finally Getting It...

52 talldude682  6/18/06 5:56:17 pm reply quote

Ty all for the welcome, I'll try to contribute more in the future, although seems to be some keen minds in here. Just hope I can keep up.

53 hous bin pharteen  6/18/06 6:02:20 pm reply quote

Hmmmm. The stratagery of the Islamonazi rolls on. If you can not defeat your enemy on the field of battle, defeat them from within.

They are like termites. Ignore them if you will. But eventually they will cause the whole house to collapse from the rot within.

We are next. You can count on the dems pandering to them for votes when their numbers increase. They would pass Sharia law here in a heartbeat if it would guarantee them power and they could exempt themselves from it.

54 Stop Hillary  6/18/06 6:33:33 pm reply quote

Silly Brits. The Jihadis will make the IRA look like a girl scout troop. They haven't any idea of what is in store for them.

Good think the average British citizen is armed and ready and that his home is his castle.

55 anotherindyfilmguy  6/18/06 6:45:06 pm reply quote

#47 That would explain that England is well at peace with the enemy within then...

56 Cato the Elder  6/18/06 6:46:59 pm reply quote

And in the article, the word terrorism is in quotes because...?

57 cbinflux  6/18/06 6:48:04 pm reply quote

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

A British government agency recently decided to spend the equivalent of $33 million over 10 years to encourage women and minorities to become fishermen (or fisherwomen) because too many anglers are white, male and middle-aged; a Welsh pilot project, for example, teaches Muslim women and children to fish for trout. [UPI, 4-2-06]
58 Who Watches the Watchmen?  6/18/06 7:14:01 pm reply quote

I never would have imagined Western civilization would fall on its own sword.

Sad. Grim. Pathetic.

59 BeckoningChasm  6/18/06 7:20:35 pm reply quote

Why not more Nazi skinhead cops, too, while they're at it? Hell, why not just disband the police force entirely, since they obviously discriminate against the legality-challenged community.

60 NY Nana  6/18/06 7:53:53 pm reply quote

#32 angst

The Telegraph seems to be changing, and not for the better. A left-tilt seems to be emerging, and the 'new look' website subliminally makes me think of The Old Grey Lady....not a pleasant thought.

With both Mark Steyn and Barbara Ameil,the wife if Conrad Black, the disgraced ex-owner gone...fired.

Black also owned the Jerusalem Post..sold, and it now also is leaning left,the last thing Israel needs, with all that is going on.

61 niallster  6/18/06 11:56:46 pm reply quote

They can debate this all they like. They can and probably even will impliment it covertly but its clearly illegal under the EU Human Rights Act. You did know we can't make our own laws anymore didn't you?

Mind you its a cold day in hell when your looking at an EU court in order for something realy dumn not to happen.

62 Black Bloke  6/19/06 12:51:12 am reply quote

Thomas Sowell's book is replete with mention of the phrase "positive dicrimination"… or so I hear.

63 plutosdad  6/19/06 3:45:30 am reply quote

Every time a police or military force wants to increase their numbers quickly, they end up with mostly undesireables. It happened to the ATF during prohibition, it's why special ops units cannot grow any larger than we have them now. If you want good officers, you have to be stricter about hiring, not looser.

If they go out and try to get more muslims, they'll end up with worse people joining. Not because they're muslim, just because they are not being as strict in making sure they hire the right sorts, and not teaching them well enough.

64 angst  6/19/06 3:54:44 am reply quote

#60 NY Nana
I am sorry to hear that about the Telegraph, but combined with what you and Irene said about their recent firings, I suppose you are right. Are their any good British rags left to read? They all look like the National Enquirer to me. Though much less sensational-appearing online. What about the Daily Mail? I noticed several blogs linking to it recently.

65 Occasional Reader  6/19/06 5:17:50 am reply quote

I actually find the term "positive discrimination" slightly more rhetorically honest than our own entirely opaque equivalent, "affirmative action". The former at least acknowledges there's "discrimination*" involved. The latter sounds like it's merely an aggressive form of anti-"discrimination". Which of course it's not.


*(And speaking of which, don't get me started on the abuse of the word "discrimination" itself, which literally merely means "choosing".)

66 PeaB0dy  6/19/06 5:58:52 am reply quote

Discrimination is Discrimination.

It's a form of preferential treatment, wether good or bad..

67 BabbaZee  6/19/06 6:09:29 am reply quote

All Hail Global Dhimming

68 funkyfantom  6/19/06 7:09:04 am reply quote

Oh this is a great idea. It takes a lot of police to collect the jizya from the infidels and to enforce shariah.

There are way too many infidels openly flouting shariah in the UK.

69 EE  6/19/06 10:59:05 am reply quote

They have stolen the name of a policy used mainly to help black Americans in the US. That is, they practically copied the name of "affirmative action", changing it a little bit to "affirmative discrimination." But there is an enormous difference between the two situations.

The idea behind affirmative action is to counterbalance the past discrimination against a race that has been patriotic and loyal to the US. Black Americans have served loyally and bravely in our wars, and their loyalty is not questioned.

What the jihadi front men want is for people of suspected loyalty, who may be part of the jihad infrastructure, to penetrate the police. That is entirely different, and it is just disgusting that they have stolen a name to pretend to have equivalence, and gloss over the extraordinarily great differences.

While not all Muslims are jihadis, it is clear that all jihadis are Muslims. As a result, the suspicion factor has to be vastly greater in considering the application of a Muslim for police work that will involve investigation and follow-up on jihad activities. That means that allowing large numbers of Muslims into the police force will very much increase the probability that the police force becomes infiltrated by those who will be spies for the jihad.


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