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Indonesia's Tiny Minority of Extremists

Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 8:00:34 pm PDT

A survey of Indonesian Muslims by the Center for Islamic and Social Studies shows that more than 40% are ready to wage war against non-Muslims: Survey reveals Muslim views on violence. (Hat tip: LGF readers.)

The survey, conducted from 2001 to March 2006, found 43.5 percent of respondents were ready to wage war on threatening non-Muslim groups, 40 percent would use violence against those blaspheming Islam and 14.7 percent would tear down churches without official permits.

“This condition has helped terrorists easily recruit new comrades and makes the country a fertile ground for sectarian radicalism,” Jajat said.

He added that a simultaneous study on the reasons for the results found Islamic teaching and Islamism made the most significant contributions to violent behavior, both in the domestic and public spheres.

“The more Muslims give their support for certain Islamic teachings legitimizing the use of violence, the more violence will happen.”

He noted that between 30 percent and 58 percent approved of amputation of the left hand for thieves and the stoning to death of rapists, as well as other tenets of sharia law, and opposed the election of non-Muslims for president.

Simplistic understanding of Islamic teachings and the introduction of so-called “yellow books”, detailing Islamic law and regulations, in Islamic boarding schools contributed to the emergence of hard-line groups, the issuance of sharia bylaws and sowed hostility toward non-Muslims, he said.

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1 USA  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:03:09pm

Wacky ROPers

2 Bill Jefferson  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:03:39pm

“The more Muslims give their support for certain Islamic teachings legitimizing the use of violence, the more violence will happen.”

Amen.

And when are those official permits to tear down churches issued? Because we have some real estate over here that could use some improvement...

3 Americain  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:03:51pm

This mirrors the rest of the Muslim world.

4 Yankee Zionist  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:03:57pm

Is the link broken?

Tried getting the story, not working.

5 Beagle  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:05:03pm

Some elected tool of the Saudis was babbling on about our "friends" over there today. Every time we buy gasoline it goes into this sort of education. I wish gas would go up to about five bucks a gallon and stay there.

6 James the 'Zionist'  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:05:25pm

I imagine at least 40% of people here would support waging war against anyone who wants to do that sort of stuff

/just sayin

7 PETN Sandwich  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:05:30pm

Ahhh, the easy going laid back version of islam.

8 another brick in the hall  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:05:51pm

Behead those who call Islam violent!

9 selfworm  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:06:56pm

You need to check your source since there is no article on that page.

10 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:07:03pm

Such lovely people.

11 solomonpanting  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:07:15pm
43.5 percent of respondents were ready to wage war on threatening non-Muslim groups*,

*those groups/individuals who would dare defend themselves from Muslim murder

12 Charles  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:08:01pm

Link is fixed now...

13 Tumulus11  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:09:03pm

'He noted that between 30 percent and 58 percent approved of amputation of the left hand for thieves ....'

. '... while between 42 and 70 percent favored the removal of the right hand.'

14 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:10:32pm

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;...
The wisest words ever writen by humans.

15 hogman  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:11:44pm

At least it's only a minority of the population.

16 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:11:59pm

A little investigation is all, selfworm. The link was actually under 'Printer Friendly.'

17 solomonpanting  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:12:15pm
However, other scholars said violence was traditionally widespread in local cultures, and it was unfair to blame Islam for its prevalence.

Spoken like a true scholar.
Would these 'local cultures' be Islamic in nature?

18 Bordm  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:14:32pm

The Global Jewish Assistance and Relief Network has a petition on their website. They are trying to get 100,000 Signatures.

The enclosed petition will be sent to the leaders of the G8 countries and to the heads of the United Nations asking them to remain steadfast in their united support for Israel to defend itself against these unprovoked actions of the abduction of its soldiers within sovereign territory and for the consistent firing of missiles against its people.

19 RedWhiteAndJew  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:17:21pm
The survey, conducted from 2001 to March 2006, found 43.5 percent of respondents were ready to wage war on threatening non-Muslim groups, 40 percent would use violence against those blaspheming Islam and 14.7 percent would tear down churches without official permits.

At last, the elusive moderate muslim demographic has been quantified.

Only 49.9% (a minority) would shoot into a darkened room filled with Jooooo babies; further testament to their moderation.

20 mattm  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:18:23pm
He noted that between 30 percent and 58 percent approved of amputation of the left hand for thieves and the stoning to death of rapists,

The only thing I sort of aggree with is the harsh punishment for rapists.

21 blue sky  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:19:19pm

Why?

An inside documentary look, by Pierre Rehov, at the psychology behind suicide bombings.

I came to the conclusion that we are facing a neurosis at the level of an entire civilization. Most neuroses have in common a dramatic event, generally linked to an unacceptable sexual behavior. In this case, we are talking of kids living all their lives in pure frustration, with no opportunity to experience sex, love, tenderness or even understanding from the opposite sex. The separation between men and women in Islam is absolute. So is contempt toward women, who are totally dominated by men. This leads to a situation of pure anxiety, in which normal behavior is not possible. It is no coincidence that suicide killers are mostly young men dominated subconsciously by an overwhelming libido that they not only cannot satisfy but are afraid of, as if it is the work of the devil. Since Islam describes heaven as a place where everything on earth will finally be allowed, and promises 72 virgins to those frustrated kids, killing others and killing themselves to reach this redemption becomes their only solution.

22 sngnsgt  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:21:22pm

The survey, conducted from 2001 to March 2006, found 43.5 percent of respondents were ready to wage war on threatening non-Muslim groups.

Just to put a little perspective on that number, the number of Americans that voted for John Kerry in 2004: (according to Wiki)

John F. Kerry Democratic(b) Massachusetts 59,028,111 48.3 percent

Wikipedia.org

23 GregInSeattle  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:27:28pm

Sigh... World War III (or IV if you perfer) doesn't seem too far away.

24 DistantThunder  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:36:26pm

21

Just read the interview. I've alway had a difficult time with the genocides prescribed by G-d in the Old Testament. However, the reality of the Islamofascist psyche has shown the wisdom of the advice.

25 George guy  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:41:26pm

Minority? Yes. Tiny? No way.

The "tiny minority of extremists" is properly applied to the other kind of extremists.

26 Carridine  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:45:25pm

As deplorable as this is, it is understandable from the point of view that "UNBELIEVERS are trying lead US into depravity, sin and the dis-pleasure of our Creator, the Lord, God Almighty!"

Yeah, I'm willing to fight the people (Islamo-fascists) currently trying to do THAT to US!

27 blue sky  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 6:47:16pm

#24 DistantThunder

I know. It's hard to accept. That is why we try so desperately to find a way to compromise and understand.

But when faced with the truth, there is no compromise but appeasement and there is no understanding but submission.

It is truly the battle between good and evil. Everyone will have to choose sides. There will be no sitting on the fence. Between God and Satan, I believe God will triumph. My theory is that evil, greed, corruption, etc. collapses under its own weight, whereas good, compassion, love becomes stronger. But the cost to prevail is truly horrific.

28 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 7:14:47pm

How can one "blaspheme Islam"?

Islam is blasphemy.

29 cbinflux  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 7:52:13pm

OT
"Anti-porno" fight tests Muslim tolerance in Indonesia

Muslim tolerance = Army intelligence
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

30 theheat  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 9:40:40pm

Darfur, Rowanda, Somalia... what's the difference, anymore? On a good note, so far as universal translation goes, in any language "cleric" and "scholar" translate to: extremist pricks. (Those are a couple of the easier terms to add to one's vocabulary when traveling.)

BTW - someone better let the UN know - and quickly - so they can spring into action and organize some humanitarian relief efforts.

31 reader  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 10:00:53pm

Blue Sky #21,

Well, that explains why psychiatrists have the highest suicide rate, but what about Muslims?


/a sterile profession

32 Ban Draoi  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 10:01:00pm

Would western countries be so attractive to these sand ticks if they were forced to live under the same conditions that westerners are forced to endure in Muslim countries?

A little reciprocity is on order.

33 Baldy  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 11:06:24pm

I made the mistake of linking originally to printer friendly when I posted here and on FreeRepublic. Sorry, should have double checked link. I did it because I often have too many pop-ups and flashing ads from Asian newspapers. Note that the polling was conducted starting in 2001, 2 years before the Iraq war.

34 Far Sparkle  Mon, Jul 31, 2006 5:45:46am

Let Me Explain it to you:
God created the world and everything in it.
(Allah is God)
So, every baby born is Muslim from birth.
Then when that baby is baptized, etc.
and/or worships another religion, that
individual is an APOSTATE.
According to the quran, apostates must be
BEHEADED.
It's only logical...ask any Imam.

35 Jakester  Mon, Jul 31, 2006 6:38:59am

Well, that tiny minority certainly ain't so tiny, as we all could have guessed!


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