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Where Are the Bodies from Qana?

Tue, Aug 1, 2006 at 9:04:19 am PDT

In an article at Ynet News, a very interesting piece of information:

The Red Cross published that 28 corpses were evacuated from Qana, 19 of which were children. The report clashes with the Lebanese report that 57 people were killed.

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1 shmujew  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:05:26am

is the red cross working for mel gibson ?

2 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:05:28am

The Red Cross is part of a vast conspiracy to make Arabists and Islamists look bad.

3 Golden Jerusalem  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:05:46am

Gee, how surprising

MASSACREMASSACREMASSACRE

/Jenin

4 Manker  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:06:24am

Whoopsee!

5 new2thezoo  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:07:12am

Wisked off to decorate the next set.

6 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:07:38am

I haven't heard of any reports of injuries. Were there any?

7 Smit  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:07:58am

28 = 57.

Did they forget how to do algebra?

8 markx  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:08:29am
Where Are the Bodies from Qana?


In cold storage to be re-cycled for the next “tragic bombing” photo-op.

9 mglazer  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:09:53am

THe terrorists lied and the MSM buyed

WHo is shocked that the MSM regurgetates anything the terrorists say as gospel?

the media is the enemy - they are the terrorists 5th column - all of them yes even foxnews sometimes

10 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:09:54am

Infidels !

You must just believe the words of your muslim masters !

11 mglazer  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:10:27am

The red cross and the UN are just islamists tools - wake up people the world is not ours

12 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:10:30am

Well, you see, they were supposed to be 58 people according to some of the news sources but, um, some of the bodies, uh,.....are still under the rubble. Yeah, thats it. They're under the rubble.

13 Northpaw  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:11:15am

I think it's pretty clear that Qana is a hoax on at least several levels.

Getting the MSM to look into it? Bwahahahaha! Right.

14 mglazer  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:11:43am

Expect thousands of worldwide retractions on the frontpage of the MSM all over

sure

Im sure the msm is correcting the lies they spread without any fact checking, im very sure

15 stevezilla  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:12:04am

i wasn't really dead... i was ACTING!
*jon lovitz*

16 mglazer  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:12:17am

You think the MSM actually verifies the lies they spread I mean besides with their terrorist handlers?

17 mglazer  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:12:48am

The MSM : That's what Hizbula told me must be true - frontpage news - no need to confirm or verify

18 mglazer  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:13:09am

Gee terrorists lie?

19 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:13:15am

It's like the Monty Python sketch where the couple goes in to a store to buy a mattress. You divide every number they quote by two.

Or;

It's another Jenin.

20 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:13:37am

They're pining for the fjords?

21 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:14:35am

They're props from Madame al-Toussaud's Beirut Wax Museum.

22 avk2  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:15:10am

of course one of our Hezbabies are worth more than a Jewish child-they currently trade at 2.0357 on the Beirut Stock Exchange

/we can get a better deal in China, even

23 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:15:11am

Speaking of where are the bodies:

Kerry in Iowa

[Link: d.yimg.com...]

link button not working?

24 hepcat  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:15:27am

Maybe Green Helmut Guy ran back and forth 29 times with the same kid.

25 400lb gorilla  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:15:49am

"I'm not dead yet."
"I'm getting better."
Monty Python

STOP ISLAMIFESTATION NOW!

26 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:15:56am

#15 stevezilla

Yeah... that's the ticket!

/my wife, morgan fairchild

27 theheat  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:16:53am

Damn maggots got them! All of them!

Look for some really sneaky maggots.

28 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:16:53am

#24 hepcat

He must be in better shape that Jack LaLane.

29 SevoGuy  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:17:04am

The moral of this Qana story is to ignore the NEWS of civilian deaths on the islamic side and concentrate on killing the terrorists.

ONLY one way to end islamic terrorism and that is to start killing those preachers of hate. These are the Clerics, Imans, Shitstains and Ayatollahs.

Tell it like it is......islam is the satanic religion. Personally, I believe that many muslims look at what is happening around the world because of islam, it has to go through their heads that something SATANIC THIS WAY COMES.

30 paul in Va  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:18:53am

The msm as usual runs their propaganda until the storyline is shredded by the factcheckers.

Good job LGF again leading the charge, shadows of rathergate.

31 Geepers  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:19:15am
Lebanese minister of justice states that Israel's attacks constitute war crimes, crimes against humanity, and wonders how pictures of Qana did not bring about ceasefire.

In addition, Minister Rizk expressed his regret that the "Qana massacre did not horrify the conscience and did not bring about a UN decision for a ceasefire.

Too funny. Looks like your inept little propaganda effort ain't paying off. Too bad you were betting the farm on it.

32 Axiom  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:19:24am

What would Green Helmut Guy do?

The answer is in #24.

33 surfer dude  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:19:41am

#12 Krager

They're under the rubble that the missle launcher was at one time mounted to before the Israelis blowed it up. Yep, that's right, they blowed it up real good.

The Hezbo's fire state of the art weaponry whilst hiding behind the scooters and pacifiers of their own kind. Make me sick just thinking about. Islamo terrorism is a disease that needs a cure, pronto.

Just nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

34 reggie  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:20:12am

28, 19, 57... who cares?

Bush lied, people died!

/Howard Dean mask off

35 mpax  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:20:33am

Is there any prohibition in the Koran against telling lies?

36 mglazer  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:20:48am

Reporters report what they are told

Journalists supposedly investigate what they will say

Lesson all news is reporting these days no one investigates what they say anymore, no fact checking, verifications double sourcing etc... journalism 101 eh, who needs facts

37 Spiritualized  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:21:07am

28? That's assuming we can believe the Red Cross.

38 mglazer  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:21:14am

#35 mpax

I think its the opposite they are supposed to LIE

39 EE  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:21:50am

Why are there 28 bodies recovered by the Red Cross when Hizballah indicated that there were 57 dead?
Could it be that Hizballah arranged for 57 "dispensible" people to be in that building in the hub of the rocket-firing war zone in Qana -- females, young children, people who were disabled -- and expected them to be killed there, but 29 of them escaped when they heard and saw all of the Israeli attacks going on in Qana? Could it be that Hizballah only managed to prevent 28 of the 57 from escaping?

40 prospero  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:21:51am

#23 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Heehee -- Looks like he crashed the party by coming through the bushes. Classic trifecta: John Kerry, a microphone, and a hedge.

41 Axiom  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:21:56am

In other news, Vichy has been ressurected in France. His name is Philippe Douste-Blazy.

42 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:21:57am

#35 mpax

Nope, quite the opposite (at least when dealing with kufrs).

43 reggie  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:23:27am

#35 mpax

Is there any prohibition in the Koran against telling lies?

In fact, Mohammed beseeches his followers to present a false face to infidels.

44 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:23:41am

#23 Kragar

He looks like he's eating a tomato on a stick. Or a V8 snow cone.

/mmmmmmm...

45 Axiom  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:23:44am

#35 mpax: Of course. Lies are forbidden in Islam. Accept if their is a Jihad. Or if the person you are telling is a Kafr, then Taqqiyya is permissable.

Mohammed, what a prophet!

46 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:23:51am

Michael Savage brought up a good point on his show:

Muslims kill Christian Children in Dafur, not a peep from the MSM

Rwandan Genocide, hardly a peep from the MSM

Honor killings of children across the Muslim world, silence again.

Muslims blow up a busload of Israelis, hardly a peep except to mention the "occupation"

Israelis are accused of killing children, STOP THE PRESSES, FRONT PAGE MATERIAL!

Screw the MSM.

47 Fjordman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:24:04am

Poland losing grasp on Europe, diplomat warns

The Polish government is weakening Poland's position in the EU and jeopardising its chances of running a successful EU presidency in 2011. "This government is focused on internal politics and EU affairs are a distant question. They don't adequately identify the impact of European policies on national politics." Polish president Lech Kaczynski last Friday called for the EU to bring back the death penalty, saying "I think that over time Europe will change its view in this regard." "This would not gain any support at EU level," one EU diplomat said. "It is one of the core principles of the European Union." "People who have not done well in the past 17 years feel this government speaks their language. The EU project is very easy to portray as an elite project," he said.

48 lpd673  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:24:34am

Normally I don't tout Bill Oreilly much. But last nite in his Talking Points, he actually seems to be figuring this all out. I was impressed. He was ranting on about how Israel's getting a double standard and how there are never any demonstrations when the terrorists do something bad. I was very happy to see someone on tv speak up.

He had a Pali apologist/speaker on who was trying to explain away the Condi with a monkey in her womb cartoon. How come no one mentioned the Muslim reference to Jews being the sons of pigs and monkeys angle?

49 viahj  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:25:30am

why do we complain at the msm for furthering the pali/hezbo propaganda? it's quite simple that the msm is so anti-Bush that they will portray any event in the worst possible light for the Bush admin and it's policies.

we really should be barking at POTUS directly. he finally picked up gauntlet that was thrown down by the islamic fascists way back in 1979 (but was ignored until 9/11). Bush has rightfully persued the GWOT (he should have called it the GWOIF) but he and his advisors (Rove is an idiot) have completely ignored the most important battlefield in any war, the battlefield of propaganda. not only have they ignored it, our enemies have become experts at this psychological warfare, it is their biggest and most effective weapon. world opinion is now on their side, against us and Israel while we sit back and say "we don't care what the fwench or others say". in reality, it does matter, it matters greatly. once public opinion over here is swayed, the war is lost.

this is the fight that we can take up. our boys in arms can handle the actual fighting but it is we who are the lst and best defense against the propaganda and psychological war being waged upon us. we must make our politicians listen. we must render the msm irrelevant.

type on cyber soldiers.

50 mglazer  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:26:10am

NO bodies are necessary for MSM spreading terror enabling propaganda

Just some ragdolls will do and an all ears MSM willing to promote terrorism

51 mkm19602000  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:27:21am

#46 Prosper

No it's a Mister Microphone. Teresa on the otherside of the hedge in the car with the motor running. Some the Lutheran Womens Circles get really pissed off when you interupt their summer luncheon. LOL

52 Fjordman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:27:34am
Is there any prohibition in the Koran against telling lies?

Taqiyya and kitman - lying for the sake of Islam

53 hepcat  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:28:18am

28 Ward Cleaver
He must be in better shape that Jack LaLane.


No necessarily, don't forget his escort, White Tee-shirt man.

54 Golden Jerusalem  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:28:23am

Heavy fighting along the eastern section of the front.

IDF apears to be aiming to shut the gap between territory under its control and the north bend in the Litani...

55 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:28:31am

#48 lpd673

He had a Pali apologist/speaker on who was trying to explain away the Condi with a monkey in her womb cartoon. How come no one mentioned the Muslim reference to Jews being the sons of pigs and monkeys angle?

That was exactly what I thought of when I saw the picture. But then you never hear that phrase mentioned in the MSM, so it probably didn't register.

56 pointed stick  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:29:06am

#34 Fjordman
how many polish diplomats does it take to weaken poland's position?
/i keed, i keed

57 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:29:13am

#53 hepcat

Hans and Franz?

58 dennisw  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:29:33am

Coordinates of Ayta ash Shab for use with Goole Earth.
Ayta ash Shab: 33° 5' 50N 35° 20' 4E

Cut and paste the coordinates into GE search box.

59 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:30:02am

#35 mpax

Prohibition? Hell, they're encouraged to lie.

60 hepcat  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:30:24am

#46 Kragar

Exactly, I heard Savage comment on that.
MSM is silent.

61 scaramouche  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:31:10am

Oh, no...Watch out...It can't be...Yes, it can...Here it comes--another recycling of the endless cycle of violence, by Jimminy "Cricket" Carter, most feckless, clueless President in U.S. history.

62 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:31:26am

#47 Fjordman

Good news. Let's hope the EU implodes before it's too late, when it becomes the IU (the islamic union).

63 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:31:36am

Rush is taking up this topic at full blast.

Rush just said 'strategery'.

I love that this "word" as become a word.

64 hepcat  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:31:49am

57 Ward Cleaver
Hans and Franz?

Yeah, Mo and Schmo.

65 Carridine  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:32:39am

Got some REAL ACTION (small scale, fer sher) with the posts on Mr Green Helmet!

66 aishel  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:32:41am

Here's the red cross press release:
[Link: www.icrc.org...]

67 zombie  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:34:07am

Check out this neutral news article from the unbiased news source BBC, where impartiality and even-handedness are the rule:

Hezbollah is unbowed in Baalbek

Though Israel says it is temporarily suspending air strikes against Lebanon to investigate the latest Qana tragedy, its drones scarcely stopped buzzing like sinister insects high over Baalbek throughout Monday.

Baalbek - home to perhaps the most impressive ancient Roman ruins outside Italy - is now very much Hezbollah country.

As a result, the area has been heavily bombed by Israel in the last three weeks, though it lies more than 100km (60 miles) from Israel's northern border and poses no threat as a rocket launching area.

On the way into Baalbek, you see portraits of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah flanked by his mentors, Ayatollahs Khomenei and Khamenei, supreme leaders of the Iranian revolution.

You also pass a succession of bombed petrol stations and industrial workshops - all buildings with civilian rather than military use, local people say.

Ten-metre craters suggest huge Israeli laser-guide bombs were dropped on the targets.

But today, it is much smaller, though still deadly, missiles fired by the drones that occupy the minds of Baalbek residents - and their visitors from the BBC.

...
Faisal Sahili was attacked as he tried to return to his home

Moments later, the house was flattened. The reason behind the attack is not clear, although local journalists say 12 houses were bombed in that area.

Most houses were empty, their inhabitants having fled Baalbek for safer villages nearby - but three people died, all civilians.

In all, more than 250 properties are reported to have been hit by Israeli air strikes in the Baalbek area, many of them with no apparent connection with Hezbollah.

However, it is too dangerous to verify this figure, as some areas are still being attacked.

...

Hezbollah men patrol the streets in old Volvo estates

In front of us were two large impact craters that had completely destroyed two buildings where Hezbollah had rented rooms for its activities.

And in the sky overhead, there was the persistent whining of another Israeli drone. When a veteran like Hikmat says it is time to go, you take it very seriously.

Our little media convoy sped back through the narrow streets to the relative safety of the centre of town.

There, the streets were quiet and almost all of the shops were shut. Ever present though - patrolling the streets in a fleet of old Volvo estate cars - were Hezbollah's local cadres.

They - along with the civilians left in the town - may have taken a pummelling in Baalbek, but they are still very much in charge.

There's nothing left to say.

Perhaps a song is appropriate. Sing along with me:

The BBC-Hezbollah Anthem

We remain unbowed
Though the sinister Jews fly above!

We pose no threat to anyone
Aren't our Volvos stylish and cute?

The bombs fall for no reason
No reason that we can see.

All structures have a civilian use
No military purpose at all.

We are proud Hezbollah Men
And our helpers at the BBC!

68 Carridine  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:34:15am

#61- Scaramouche: Oh no, Carter got clues, he just USES THEM AGAINST America!

69 Chicken Kiev  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:36:10am

Also on Michael Savage's show yesterday --

Two Jews from Seattle called to say that they had received emails from the local branch of the American Jewish Congress urging them and all area Jews to attend a hastily arranged SENSITIVITY WORKSHOP ON "UNDERSTANDING THE KORAN"! ... with speakers from the Muslim and Christian communities!

Outrage....

70 feedupdem  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:36:10am

# 7 Smit

The equation makes sense but you’re forgetting to factor in the "Islamic Constant" into your equation. Defining the IC has eluded the best rational minds in the world. A constant that keeps changing is something that only a Muslim scholar could employ and the Left fully embrace.

71 lpd673  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:36:19am

#55 Ward Cleaver

Well I was sure Michelle Malkin was going to say something about it. And nothing! I was really disappointed. The Pali got to lie on national tv. And Bill, nor Michelle or the other chick called him on it. It was kinda sad.

Condi had a "jew" baby in her womb. That was the gist of the cartoon. No one got it, they were too busy trying to connect the monkey/black woman thing.

I was screamin at the tv because no one would say it. You cannot fight against something when the ones who are supposed to lead in the PR war knows a goddamned thing about the enemy and they are trying soooo.. hard to excuse the enemy for what they're doing. Sickening. Still surprised Malkin missed that.

72 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:39:58am

Maybe the 'missing 29' rose directly up to heaven, just like Mohammed did from Jerusalem ...

73 christheprofessor  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:40:33am

Green Helmet Guy? Not to be confused with Purple Helmet Guy...

74 Golden Jerusalem  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:41:08am

LOL. SKY are now speculating that the IDF will do what yours truly outlined 3-4 days ago :P

Cut off and encircle. I originally saw maybe an eastern and western pincer operation in the planning, but now it looks like the thrust is gonna come thru from the east after securing a good line vs the Syrians and sitting above the Beka'a valley with 155ms in range of the longer-range missile depots and miscellaneous enemy assets there...

Gotta love the MSM.

75 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:41:21am

#69 Chicken Kiev 8/1/2006 09:36AM PDT

Two Jews from Seattle called to say that they had received emails from the local branch of the American Jewish Congress urging them and all area Jews to attend a hastily arranged SENSITIVITY WORKSHOP ON "UNDERSTANDING THE KORAN"! ... with speakers from the Muslim and Christian communities!


Here the Cliff's notes version:

THEY WANT TO KILL YOU.

76 lpd673  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:43:24am

#72 Red Pepper

They're in a well with the 12th Imam.

77 loppyd  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:44:02am

63 newsjunkie_ky

I was listening to Rush while out getting lunch and he was going off!

Said the drive-by media will pay no mind to the conflicting reports....

78 stuiec  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:44:59am

#39 EE

Hezbollah put 57 dead people into the building, so they know the body count. No point in trapping live people in the building -- they get the same PR mileage out of previously dead bodies as from freshly dead ones, since no reporter will question the identities of the dead.

Easy enough recipe for making it look like the Israelis have replicated the 1996 Qana "massacre":

1. Fire rockets from next to a residential building in Qana.

2. Await the inevitable midnight IAF rocket strike on the building.

3. Under cover of darkness, truck in corpses and explosives and plant both in the building.

4. At sunrise, concurrent with the next IAF attack on Qana, detonate the explosives.

5. Call in the press.

79 Ben B  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:45:28am
#29 SevoGuy
Tell it like it is......islam is the satanic religion.

I agree. I had exactly that same conviction on reading the koran. Who but the Devil would want to torture people in hell forever? And, too, like the Devil, Allah's power lies only in the power of suggestion within the believer's mind. And, like the Devil, Allah craves and pleads for worship. Allah is actually very much like the Devil as portrayed in Jesus' temptation in the wilderness. Everyone should read the koran (the real thing, not a dawa text) before expressing any comment about Mohammedanism.

80 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:45:58am

This should be fun:

Court: Temple Mount Faithful can visit holy site

The High Court of Justice ruled Tuesday to permit members of the Temple Mount Faithful movement to visit the Jerusalem holy site on Tisha B'Av, in the framework of an agreement the State Attorney’s Office reached with the extreme-Right Jewish group.

When asked whether their visit might spark a conflagration during these sensitive times, they noted, “This is our chance to clarify to the Arabs that we don’t intend to surrender or give up a single millimeter.”

81 Chicken Kiev  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:46:14am

Savage was good yesterday -- a la, "Never again! Nobody's ever gonna march Jews into death camps again! Get used to it, Islamofascists! Never again!"

It was refreshing. Also he was less distanced from his own Jewish background than he sometimes is ... I often wonder why he won't just come out and say, "I'm Jewish," but whatever ... but yesterday he said all these Yiddish words in a real insider kind of accent and even made a contest out of a Yiddish joke.

82 zombie  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:46:40am
#78 stuiec

I think you've got the sequence of events exactly.

83 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:48:43am

I can attest that I was in Geepers basement in June, they weren't there then.

84 loppyd  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:49:11am

{GeeeeeJaaaaaay}

Hiya GJ!

Hope you and yours are doing well. My prayers for Israel didn't cease while I was on vacation.

LOL. SKY are now speculating that the IDF will do what yours truly outlined 3-4 days ago :P

Newman you magnificent bastard!

85 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:50:10am
Who Watches the Watchmen? 8/1/2006 09:45AM PDT
This should be fun:

Court: Temple Mount Faithful can visit holy site


The High Court of Justice ruled Tuesday to permit members of the Temple Mount Faithful movement to visit the Jerusalem holy site on Tisha B'Av, in the framework of an agreement the State Attorney’s Office reached with the extreme-Right Jewish group.

When asked whether their visit might spark a conflagration during these sensitive times, they noted, “This is our chance to clarify to the Arabs that we don’t intend to surrender or give up a single millimeter



Arab MK. Ninth of Av Entry to Temple Mount Will Ignite Intifada
18:42 Aug 01, '06 / 7 Av 5766


(IsraelNN.com) Arab Knesset Member Talab El-Sana warned Tuesday that the police permit for Jews to visit the Temple Mount on the Ninth of Av Thursday will ignite a "third Intifada."

The permit was issued to the Temple Mount Faithful, who intend to visit the holy site on the Jewish fast day which recalls the destruction of the First and Second Temples

.

[Link: www.israelnat......]

86 mglazer  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:50:20am

NO bodies, no proof - nothing is needed but a headline fed by the terrorists to the MSM to receive worldwide clamor and frontpage attention

87 NoSubmission  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:51:05am

Where are the bodies you ask? Why they have been put back in the freezer until the next 'massacre', what else?

88 The Boodge  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:51:26am

#29
better be careful with those accusations at LGF, you are in the PC zone!

89 aaron's rantblog  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:52:12am

Jenin Coefficient.

90 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:52:28am

Half the bodies disappear? Were they ever even there? Or were those bodies Hizbullah terrorists, whom count towards Israel's tally of 400+ Hizbullah thus far?

One really has to wonder how many people were really killed in Qana, and the circumstances. Hizbullah controls the figures coming out of their areas of dominion, so they purposefully overcount civilians and undercount their own members among the casualties.

Meanwhile, I've posted updates to my daily roundup. Among the subjects covered: Jimmy Carter is at it again, and Bret Stephens has a dim view of the Israeli strategy, if it can be called that, though I question his data points in determining whether Israel is winning.

91 christheprofessor  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:53:24am

#88 the Boodge

better be careful with those accusations at LGF, you are in the PC zone!

Care to elaborate?

92 Lively  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:53:56am

OT.
The Seattle Muslim Murderer just recently converted to Christianity.


Suspect in Jewish Federation shootings recently baptized

93 pointed stick  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:55:13am

#86 mglazer
because they want, so badly, to believe it. as you know, it's just a symptom of rampant anti-semitism. how many times have the bought it so far? jennin, kana 1, the beach...
it's depressing actually.

94 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:55:44am

#50 NO bodies are necessary for MSM spreading terror enabling propaganda

Just some ragdolls will do and an all ears MSM willing to promote terrorism

Late last night one of the sites reporting on Green Helmet stated that bodies from the Tyre bombing when added to the 27 added up to the 50 some odd. Probably something to that.

95 Killer Tomato  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:56:00am

I remain amazed that people who see conspiracy and coverup everywhere, are unable to see one when it really exists.

96 Ghost of Raihana bint Amr  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:56:18am

Could I get some help swatting down some other propaganda?

A coworker heard on NPR that women were being raped in Iraqi prisons.

I trace it down to Al-Kadhimiya prison, as reported by a Baghdad-based NGO called "Woman Freedom Organisation" headed by one Senar Muhammad.

I can't find out any more about this NGO, except that they are quoted on every leftie, socialist, and moonbat newsoutlet that googles up.

(I should just tell people to stop getting their news from NPR and CNN and then I wouldn't have to research this crap every morning)

Anyone have any info?

97 Carridine  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:56:54am

#67- Zombie: it has no meter, but its yours for the taking! I couldn't find a graphic of a cute, fluffy rabbit, so I'll post one later!

Karridine

98 shug  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:56:59am

God Bless the blogosphere!

for so many years we were fed the propoganda with no means to debunk the lies

it all started here with Rathergate.

Now , virtually no lies go unchallenged! A photo showing rigor mortis, and purported to be 1 hour old would have been accepted 10 years ago, but NO MORE!

GREAT!

99 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:57:17am

dennisw

Do you have google earth plus?

Anyone, is it worth it to have?

100 brent  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:57:51am

The bodies are missing? I bet, thanks Zombie for pointing this out, that the Zionists take bodies and sell their organs.

It's key that they be fresh, tho.

I seriously wonder if there are 2 flavors of the propoganda coming out of Lebanon; the above lunacy still plays outside Western MSM.

Would probably play on CNN next Summer.

101 David Simon  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:59:08am

Surprise. A Jew-hating opinion piece from the CSM:

Once the Arabs had rejected the UN's right to give away their land and to force them to pay the price for European pogroms and the Holocaust, the creation of Israel in 1948 was made possible only by ethnic cleansing and annexation. This is historical fact and has been documented by Israeli historians, such as Benny Morris. Yet Israel continues to contend that it had nothing to do with the Palestinian exodus, and consequently has no moral duty to offer redress.


[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]

102 humanity  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:59:16am

what bodies missing...

Perhaps Muslims have roasted them and eaten that.... anyways koran says non-belivers are like cow.... u have a right to do anything with them...

103 EE  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:00:09am

What is the reason that the MSM use the erroneous figure of 57 dead, when the latest figures from the Red Cross are 28 dead? And why don't they admit that their original numbers were wrong? Why isn't there a retraction?

104 Carridine  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:00:24am

#78- Stueic: exactly EXCEPT the 'no use wasting live people'... Hizb'ullah appears to have NO COMPUNCTIONS WHATSOEVER about setting their own civilians up for propaganda kills!

105 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:02:52am

#103 ee:

The reason that they aren't issuing retractions or corrections is that it would call into question more than just the body count. It would require additional reporting to determine the cause of the deaths and other extenuating circumstances. Since this is Hizbullahland, getting those bits of information are going to be impossible. Thus, we're left with the Hizbullah version of events, and tidbits that offer quite a different view of the events.

106 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:03:11am

#92 Lively

Now begins the wait for DU or Indymedia to spin the guy as a "christian terrorist".

107 mpax  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:03:58am

Re #48
O'Reilly recognizes a double standard, so good enough, but how come he wasn't on top of the suggestions that Hezbollah rigged the whole thing, or falsified the actual results. That would have been worth listening to.

108 Beagle  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:04:13am

#101 David Simon

When the Arabs make redress for conquering, enslaving, and using scorched-earth tactics on half the known world, including the territory of modern Israel. All they have to do is move back to the Arabian Peninsula.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's more than a bit sick of the Jew haters in the media ignoring a thousand years of Islamic imperialism.

109 Carridine  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:04:58am

Friends, its midnite in Bangkok, and I hafta work tomorrow, EARLY!

Please be sure Zombie, #67 above, gets her "Hezbollah-BBC Anthem", and I'll be back in 6 hours!

Semper Vigilante!

110 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:05:42am

Confederate Yankee has additional analysis of the Qana incident, including new questions about the appearances of the alleged victims.

111 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:07:34am

92 Lively

The Seattle Muslim Murderer just recently converted to Christianity

.

It didn't take!

Whitewash alert!

112 humanity  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:07:50am

todays indian polls by showing half truth..

Q. Will Israeli strikes add to the vicious cycle of terrorism?

Place your answer at right side frame down.....
[Link: www.ndtv.com...]

113 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:08:28am

#85 storagemanager

(IsraelNN.com) Arab Knesset Member Talab El-Sana warned Tuesday that the police permit for Jews to visit the Temple Mount on the Ninth of Av Thursday will ignite a "third Intifada."

Oh please...what WON'T ignite an intifada?

114 EE  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:09:47am

#78 stuiec
I think that you have a possible explanation concerning why the building collapsed 8 hours after the IAF attack. It was part of the Hizballah plan.

Did the body produced and paraded by Mr. Green Helmet for an extended period of time for photographers from around the world seem to have rigor mortis already? If so, you may be right that the bodies were collected from elsewhere and put there.

115 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:10:13am

#90 lawhawk: Hizbullah controls the figures coming out of their areas of dominion, so they purposefully overcount civilians and undercount their own members among the casualties.

Now lawhawk, I've told you before. It is not that Hizballah is mathematically challenged. The sole difference lies in the way things are defined.

We define a civilian as someone who is not involved in a shooting war. They define civilian as anyone where they can hide the gun before someone takes a picture of the body.

They couldn't possibly be miscounting the dead!

/sarc off

116 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:12:38am

OT.
The Seattle Muslim Murderer just recently converted to Christianity.


Suspect in Jewish Federation shootings recently baptized



NAVEED HAQ'S "PEOPLE"
By Michelle Malkin · August 01, 2006 01:02 PM
I'm getting lots of moonbat mail from people who finally discovered the Seattle P-I's article mentioning that accused Jew-killer Naveed Haq had reportedly been baptized at one point at an evangelical Christian church. Yeah, I noted that two days ago, Sherlocks. (Have you heard of taqiyya?) I also noted that the article reported that Haq "attended the Islamic Center of Tri-Cities mosque two weeks ago."

And KOMO TV reports this, which you won't see the moonbats talking about:

Police say there is evidence alleged Jewish Federation shooter Naveed Haq planned the shootings well in advance.
He bought two handguns, waited 10 days to get them, and picked them up just the day before the shooting, police say.

Investigators say the Muslim man found his target on the Internet searching for "something Jewish".

Police say he forced his way inside the building and started firing both handguns. After killing one and wounding five, he revealed his motive to a 911 operator.

"He said he wanted the United States to leave Iraq," says Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske, "that his people were being mistreated and that the United States was arming Israel and he pointedly blamed the Jewish people for all of these problems."


Clue: By "his people," he is not talking about evangelical Christians.

What part of Haq's own declaration--"I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel"--don't you understand?

Or are you accusing eyewitnesses and the 911 operator of making up Haq's motives?


[Link: www.michellemalkin.com...]

117 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:12:38am

103 EE

And why don't they admit that their original numbers were wrong? Why isn't there a retraction?

It's kinda like the 10,000+ that were reported killed in NO.

Another nail to drive in the 'coffin' of Bush.

118 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:13:21am

#92 lively - OT.
The Seattle Muslim Murderer just recently converted to Christianity.
Suspect in Jewish Federation shootings recently baptized

Of course. Right after it became apparent that this might be written up as a hate crime terrorist attack. It is permissable according to the islamic "religion" to claim to be a Christian or a Jew if that is what is needed to advance the aims of the jihad.

Remember the guy arrested a couple of weeks back living up the playboy life in a big way?

119 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:13:56am

83 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

I can attest that I was in Geepers basement in June, they weren't there then.

Did you look under the lathe?

120 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:15:49am

#92 Lively

Naveed Haq, now widely portrayed as a Muslim American so angry at Israel that he shot up a Jewish charity in Seattle

Portrayed?

I suppose it is down the memory hole with the fact that he himself said, "I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel."

His words, not some inaccurate portrayal in the news reports. His view of himself, after everything.

121 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:16:32am

#96 A coworker heard on NPR that women were being raped in Iraqi prisons.

Iraq prisons I don't know about. BUT - it is extremely well documented that women in Iran and other islamic countries are gang raped in prison. Specifically those who are under a death sentence are gang raped before the sentence is carried out so that they will not be admitted to Paradise.

Not hard to find online, complete with names, dates and pictures.

122 zombie  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:16:46am
#97 Carridine
#67- Zombie: it has no meter, but its yours for the taking!

I'm still laughing!

You did pretty good turning that into an actual song. I wasn't really trying to make it have exact rhythm. I was imagining a kind of Soviet-style chorus singing a political anthem, as they used to do -- meter was always sacrificed to political content. Your creation was pretty much how I imagined it!

I couldn't find a graphic of a cute, fluffy rabbit, so I'll post one later!

Here are several for the taking.

123 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:17:07am

#115 galloping granny:

Actually, you've still got it wrong. Hizbullah is simply a product of Western liberal math classes.

New math and all that jazz. 2+2= whatever you think it should be...

/snark

124 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:17:15am

#119 Yes I looked under the lathe and the bodies were not there. I even checked the Buckeye's tent, the bodies were not there either.

125 friarstale  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:20:12am

gotta love that Olmert
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

"Every additional day is one that erodes the power of this cruel enemy."

"We have said we would agree to a cease-fire once we know... conditions in the field will be different than those that led to the eruption of this war."

he says the cease-fire discussions have begun, but he's in no hurry to let up on the whining Muslim crybabies and give them their cease-fire until Israel decides things are the way they should be.

126 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:20:58am

#113 Oh please...what WON'T ignite an intifada?

The current intifada stopped? Why didn't we notice? Why were we not told? What on earth is wrong with the MSM that they totally missed this significant event in world affairs?

127 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:23:40am

This is why it's important to mess with the koskidz...
RED CROSS SAYS 'NO HEZBOLLAH ROCKETS FIRED FROM QANA'
from the Komments...

TROLL! (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:SamSinister, Democritus
This guys is baiting dKos with anti-Semitic diaries and should be run outta here. This guy is called Killgore Trout over at LGF (warning: link to LGF).

Now in LA!

by RNinNC


Every single element of this idiot's post is wrong, but I've made them so paranoid that they're feeding on themselves.
Bwahahaha!

128 craig1f  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:23:54am

Part of Middle Eastern culture is exaggeration. They are very emotional people, and their description of events reflects that. If an Arab says that 50 people died in an airstrike, then it was 20 people. 25 at most. If a group of Arabs tells you that they found a weapons cache full of WMD, it's a crate of AK-47's, and maybe some RPGs.

It's part of their culture, and they understand that, so they don't see it as lying. Our media refuses to understand it (they would consider it un-PC to acknowledge that their culture is different in any way that could be perceived as inferior). So they report emotionalized accounts of events as fact.

Hearing a middle eastern recall an event is a lot like hearing a 5-year-old recall an event. If someone fell 5 feet off a later into some gravel, they'll say they fell 20 feet onto jagged rocks.

I know, I dated one. I thought she was just acting like a woman, but the men in her family were more emotional than her. It was weird, because they were smart and successful people, but damn near impossible to have an objective conversation.

129 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:24:00am

124 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Keep up the tempo and it starts to sound like Dr. Suesse.

130 mad_scientist  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:26:22am
28 = 57.

Did they forget how to do algebra?

ALL YOUR MATH ARE BELONG TO US.....

131 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:26:37am

More on the Seattle killer from Michelle Malkin.

I don't buy for a second the guy was a legitimate Christian. But now they can claim he is, so he'll foreevr be a Christian Terrorist to the moonbats.

BTW, Michelle has added a lovely updated photo on her site.

132 Black George Bush  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:28:14am

I bet the Burka Brigade knows where the bodys are.

133 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:28:19am

126 galloping granny

#113 Oh please...what WON'T ignite an intifada?

The current intifada stopped? Why didn't we notice? Why were we not told? What on earth is wrong with the MSM that they totally missed this significant event in world affairs?


Intifadas are like threads, after a while most leave, and all that are left are dead threaders. So to keep up interest you 'post' a new intifada.

134 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:28:56am
I know, I dated one. I thought she was just acting like a woman, but the men in her family were more emotional than her. It was weird, because they were smart and successful people, but damn near impossible to have an objective conversation.

Even worse, try dating a moonbat.

135 big L  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:29:53am

128-craig 1f---Yes that is what I get too, when telling my friends that they mean to kill us. and they say so!
But I am assured that it is a flowery way that they speak and part of negtioation process.I guess that means that If teh y say "we'll kill you" then our response is "Okay,okay, how 'bout an arm, or a leg"

136 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:34:46am

Gaz

a: Palestinians wounded in inter-factional gunbattles


A number of Palestinians were wounded when armed groups exchanged fire in Gaza City.

Officials in the Palestinian Authority reported that the gunbattles took place in the center of town, apparently between Fatah's armed forces and Hamas’ armed force. (Ali Waked)

Shoot each other...the group left standing shoot the Hizbos [Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

137 big L  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:34:51am

23 kragar- --Kerry out on the stump--
"Shrimp vindaloo"!

138 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:35:58am

#130 mad_scientist

ALL YOUR MATH ARE BELONG TO US.....

ROFLMAO! You have made me splat the new monitor and ruin yet one more keyboard! I need to buy stock in Staples if I keep hanging out here :)

139 scooter  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:37:00am

OT

"Homemade bomb found on German train
DORTMUND, Germany (AFX) - German investigators revealed that passengers and a ticket collector had a lucky escape when a homemade bomb was found in a train in the western city of Dortmund.

Investigators said the device, comprising 11 litres of butane gas wired to an alarm clock timer and four litres of petrol, all packed into a suitcase, could have caused serious injury if it had exploded.

A ticket collector found the case on board a train which was travelling between the western cities of Aachen and Hamm on Monday and handed it to staff at Dortmund station.

When the contents were discovered, the station was evacuated, delaying dozens of trains.

A bomb disposal specialist defused the device by firing a gun at the clock, but after inspecting the contents of the case, experts said it was unclear whether the detonator was fully functional.

Investigators said the case was unaccompanied when it was found and said they did not know when it was brought on to the train.

A political motive or blackmail are considered the two most likely reasons for planting the device."

newsdesk@afxnews.com


Copyright AFX News Limited 2005. All rights reserved.

Sorry, no link available.

140 alkmyst  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:37:06am
#134 JammieWearingFool 8/1/2006 10:28AM PDT

Even worse, try dating a moonbat.

"Shhhh. There's no need to speak. Let my actions show you how I feel..."

/slap!

141 keyword  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:37:28am

I hope the Hezbollah cover-up at Qana (now that is literal use of the word!) is exposed, and given as much attention as the original lie. Retractions of body-count are fine and all, but that's not the real story.

142 pointed stick  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:38:54am

#127 Killgore Trout
much too funny.
/does your mom really call you slick?

143 Ghost of Raihana bint Amr  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:44:21am

#121 galloping granny

extremely well documented that women in Iran and other islamic countries are gang raped in prison


Right, I had heard that before, in fact I assumed it was something like that. The NGO's point, however, is that Iraqi women are worse off under American occupation -- and I have to wonder, do they have an axe to grind? Ya think?

The WFO report also pointed out the large number of female inmates currently held in prisons controlled by occupying powers the US and the UK, mentioning the Al-Kadhimiya and Abu-Ghraib prisons in particular. "Based on our records and from anonymous information, we estimate that there are more than 250 women in these two prisons alone,” said Muhammad, “who are exposed to different kinds of torture, including sexual abuses.”

linky

144 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:44:23am

#142 pointed stick
Despite the fact that there was a thread on LGF about my Dkos sockpuppet (Puddinhead Wilson) they still didn't figure it out. I was banned for attempting sincere meaningful dialogue with the Koskidz, when I was doing the Moby gimmick they gad no clue. It's still funny to watch the paranioa over there these days.

145 eric castillo  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:45:45am

Here's a question - if Hassan Nasrallah is hiding in the Iranian embassy in Lebanon, can we send the US marines to storm it, get him, and hold the Iranians working there hostage? This is why I'm not president, though, because I'll call for that, and remind the Iranians that they don't respect International Law with regard to embassies, so it really shouldn't matter to them.

146 wargammer2005  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:45:52am

this is a copy of an email i sent to Pat Buchanan

Where is you evidence of the number killed?

Are you not aware or do you not care that it appears the evidence for the number killed is fake?

It would really be nice if you and those like you understood the law regarding events such as the one you claim to
Write about. The terrorists that fired the rockets are 100% to blame for what happens when Israel strikes back.

147 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:48:04am
Even worse, try dating a moonbat.

Been there, done that.

Nie wieder!

148 TMF  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:48:16am

Muslims are lying the MSM is buying!

149 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:49:35am

KT, I took all I could of that site.

It's like when you see a barn cat catch a mouse.

Crunch just hard enough, and release. Mouse tries to scurry,.......whomp,, the cat stops him with his paw.

Puts him in his mouth, carries him a few feet, releases,,,,, Whomp.


What tickles me most, is the pure eliticism in how they post. It is like watching a junior high prom.

150 The Monster  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:53:05am

Since HA controls the ground and media access to all IAF airstrike sites, they'll always be able to spin things their way. The MainScream Media practically falls over each other in the stampede to get pictures of dead Moslem babies.

There are NEVER combatants killed by the IAF, only women and children, preferrably with nice clean pacifiers attached to accentuate their youth and innocence. There are NEVER any HA rocket launchers destroyed by the IAF, only medical clinics and Baby Milk Factories.

The logical consequence is sending in 15K IDF ground troops so that the HA spin machine can't be used. Some of those troops will die in the process.

Their sacrifice will be pointless unless the end of the war comes with HA shattered and impotent, unable to actualize their threats against Lebanese politicians and other 'Zionist collaborators'.

151 pointed stick  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:53:41am

#144 Killgore Trout
simply brilliant.
/it is sad though how much they want to believe dis-information. they really run quite far with it.

152 mad_scientist  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:53:58am
Even worse, try dating a moonbat.

Dated some in college when I wasnt that apathetic about politics for the most part, so it wasnt an issue then.

But now I would only date a moonbat if she is extremely good looking and didnt have a heart attack everytime I turned on Fox News or talk radio

153 mad_scientist  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:55:47am

damn...PIMF.....


should be "....in college when I was apathetic about politics...." in #152

154 The Monster  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:57:27am

130 mad_scientist
Here's one that's true. The puzzle is to figure out HOW it's true:

OCT 31 = DEC 25

Enjoy.

155 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:01:33am

KT,

I must have been away when that Puddinhead Wilson thread appeared. Can you post the link?

156 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:03:34am

#15 stevezilla

i wasn't really dead... i was ACTING!
*jon lovitz*

ROFL!

Do you have your GREEN HELMET OF DEATH on?

157 Buck  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:08:48am

#131 JammieWearingFool

You are right, BTW I understand that the guy recently went swimming, so he must be a FISH!

(Just as logical as calling him a christian just because he was baptised)

158 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:10:52am

#155 JammieWearingFool

Daily Kos: Truth = Lies
Unfourtunately, I was in a drunken slumber by the time the thread went up. It made a nice surprise in the morning though.

159 mkm19602000  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:11:20am

I just caught something on Rush Limbaugh that said Jimmy Carter would replace Raul if something happened to him while Fidel was recupperating(assuming room temperature), I admit I didn't hear all of it. Was this a joke or was he serious? I kind of like it, take out Fidel, take out Raul and make Jimmy to surrender his American Passport before he leaves. Works for me. I will be severly disappointed if he was kidding. LOL

160 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:15:11am

new militech: Liquid laced body armor?

[Link: www.businessweek.com...]

161 tangonine  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:15:21am

I dated a moonbat once. At the time I wasn't too concerned about politics and more concerned about sowing various oats and whatnot.

Our conversations rarely turned to inflamatory subjects like religion and politics, but her total inability to grasp even the most rudimentary logic and failure to understand concepts like personal accountability and responsibility baffled me. I'd never met anyone so clueless. Even when discussing benign topics, her tendancy to play the victim and apply moral equivalency to everything was so annoying it made normal conversation nearly impossible. Only years later after witnessing the 2001 & 2004 elections and seeing exactly what a loonie lefty looks like did I realize what type of person she really was.

Could never date one again. Not to mention my wife would likely object anyway!

162 chilltheham  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:15:24am

So if you are "martyred" twice in a week, does this mean you get 144 raisins?

163 Baldy  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:16:26am

Ynet Mentions Blogs' Questions of Qana

EU Referendum blog...An American weblog, Confederate Yankee , whose logo is that "liberalism is a vegetative state," says that "in a picture that hits the wires just one hour (9:06 AM) after the building collapse...including: Little Green Footballs , Hotair.com , Ms. Underestimated , American columnist Michelle Malkin , and The Riehl World View .

Nice article.

164 hepcat  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:16:41am

The report clashes with the Lebanese report that 57 people were killed.

Are we sure they haven't raised that number?

165 EC Marm  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:16:50am

#92 Lively 8/1/2006 09:53AM PDT

The Seattle Muslim Murderer just recently converted to Christianity.

In my humble opinion, can someone convert to Christianity from Islam without being exorcised first? Or, would it simply create such internal torment, after a lifetime of hate, to attempt to understand concepts like loving ones neighbor, turning the other cheek, doing good unto others, the 10 commandments, ad infinitum. It would be one hell of a 180 degree experience for even a mentally healthy individual, I can not imagine how a bipolar individual, even on medication, would have the mental resources necessary. That was no Christian that entered that building that day.

Your link just ruined my day, now I'll have to hear this "merde" from the left. Not your fault, thanks for info.

166 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:18:39am

LOL! I see I am not the first to enjoy a little "helmet humour".

167 Wumpus Hunter  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:20:04am

OT: Seattle Terrorist HAQ...

It seems obvious that he commited this action to try and gain honor in his father's eye's. He's never been succesful professionally, and had lately tried converting.

He was a failure and an appostate in his family's eyes...

Nothing had worked for him before, so what better way to gain honor than killing a bunch of jews...

Just a theory, but he had quit going to bible study and returned to the Muslim culture center that his father was "active" at..

168 Lively  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:20:56am

#165 EC Marm
Sorry to ruin your day. You can see that it's just the MSM searching for alternative to Islam being at fault for the Seattle murders.

169 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:21:34am

#160 Jewels (AKA Julian)
Ooooh, that's cool.

170 ronaldusmagnus  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:21:35am

So...anyone making plans for August 22, besides Iran?

171 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:24:32am
The Seattle Muslim Murderer just recently converted to Christianity.

Wouldn't he then been condemned to death?

Thought that was the penalty for 'leaving' islam.

172 DistantThunder  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:25:39am

Just watching PMS_NBC regarding Mel and the myraid legal problems he's facing and the anti-semitism charge.

I cannot remember anything near to this being made of Louis Farrakahn's and his minnions' rants about the Jews by the MSM.

Something stinks in Hollywood/MSM - again....

173 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:26:14am

War Update

Five brigades are now in Lebanon; when you see the Merkeva taknks going in, victory follows.

This takes tensions with Syria to the max.

Assad has to make the call, send in his boys or back down. Either way he loses. If they go, he will get crushed, if they don't he is a coward and shamed.

Israel now has the initiative, this can lead to victory because you now set the agenda and not the enemy, on your terms, not theirs.

In pure human terms, Gen. Halutz, the IDF chief of staff has twice been hospitalized in the past week. Not that his job is low stress much less in a war; a most inopportune time to be ill. The Israel government needs a full time Ramat ha Kal (Chief); you can't have men physically unable to perform leading your war effort.

174 scoreboard44  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:28:36am

173 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Lotta Stress.....

175 stuiec  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:29:24am

#128 craig1f

Exaggeration? More like, "There are 57 dead [because we counted 57 bodies while we were planting them in the building, before we blew it up]. Keep digging, you'll find the other 29 soon."

176 EC Marm  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:29:26am

#168 Lively
Yeah, you're right about MSM spin. I hope Charles puts this up as a separate thread. I'd really like to hear what others, certainly more eloquent than me, have to say about this. I actually feel attacked.

177 paul in Va  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:30:19am

#74 Golden Jerusalem

...but now it looks like the thrust is gonna come thru from the east after securing a good line vs the Syrians...


This supposedly is why the Syrian troops are on "heightened alert." The Syrians supposedly are two cowardly to engage directly, but they may soon use "proxies" to lob missiles at the Israeli eastern flank. John Loftus mentioned some groups on the JOhn Batchelor Show, like Islamic Jihad, gathering along the border.

The more Hezb gets decimated, the sooner the Syrians will have to act.

178 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:32:51am

#165 EC Marm
It doesn't change much for me; The Crazy person can get out of the death cult but the death cult won't get out of the crazy person.
Unless the claim that he identified himself as a pissed off muslim during the shooting is flase, nothing changes for me.

179 hippieforlife  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:33:49am

Killgore:
I was floored to see a link to the "Ireland Palestine Solidarity" group on your link.

Ireland and Palestine? WTF!

180 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:34:33am
181 stuiec  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:35:29am

#82 zombie
#104 carridine

Interesting: a residential building full of children is hit by rockets at 1 AM. Even in time of war -- especially in time of war -- the rescue workers would swarm the building instantly to evacuate it and protect the children from the possibility that the damaged building might be unsafe to occupy. That is, anywhere but Hezbolland: there the damaged building becomes the long-awaited and much-desired setting for a Hezbollywood special-effects production.

No reports of survivors. No evidence of a search for survivors, either. If a building collapeses on top of children anywhere else in the world, the immediate response is a rescue operation on the assumption that some of the kids are still alive in there. But in this case, we see an immediate body recovery operation. I wonder why... or actually I don't.

182 J.D.  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:37:51am

#170 ronaldusmagnus
No, but I do have plans for Aug. 23...
and I fully expect for them to come off.

183 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:38:22am

#179 hippieforlife
Yeah, that is strange but there's plenty of strangeness around these days.

184 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:39:14am

#180 rayra:

Are you sure that KevinV isn't Bret Stephens? /snark

185 republic  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:39:49am

#165 E C Marm

In my humble opinion, can someone convert to Christianity from Islam without being exorcised first? Or, would it simply create such internal torment, after a lifetime of hate, to attempt to understand concepts like loving ones neighbor, turning the other cheek, doing good unto others, the 10 commandments, ad infinitum. It would be one hell of a 180 degree experience for even a mentally healthy individual, I can not imagine how a bipolar individual, even on medication, would have the mental resources necessary. That was no Christian that entered that building that day.

Your link just ruined my day, now I'll have to hear this "merde" from the left. Not your fault, thanks for info.

Here's a little test in regards to this lunatic idea of the msm trying to tie this kook to "Christianity".

This kook practiced islam at some point in his life,(right up to this situation, obviously), and then the article says that he "converted" to Christianity", but then fell away from the faith.

Lets simply look at the religion of islam, and Christinity.

islam, from beginning to end, calls on allah believers to "kill Jews".

Christianity specifically says to love Israel and her people.

Christianity makes very clear, the punishment of being against Israel and her people, in any, and every way.

Anyone who would like to dispute this, go to Romans: Chapter 11 in The Holy Bible.

Oh, it's all over the Bible, but Romans: chapter 11 is very clear and simple.

186 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:41:15am

August 22?

Hmmm. The date sounds so familiar.

Oh yeah, it's my anniversary.

Thanks for reminding me. I have 21 shopping days remaining.

187 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:41:40am

#173 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Where are you getting your news, please? Linky?

Thanks in advance

188 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:43:41am

Killgore Trout,

Thanks. I checked it out. Pretty funny stuff.

It's like the time a few weeks back when I sent Charles a link to a Rove story and got a hat tip for the thread where the late, unlamented joewilson was jettisoned.

Happy to see it, sorry to have missed out on the fun.

189 EC Marm  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:44:20am

#178 Killgore Trout
Yeah, that's right too. Feeling a little better about it. The "Godless" liberal press gets a free pass to attack any and all religions in order to create controversy and sell more newspapers kill more trees and contribute to global warming.

190 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:44:48am

GLOBAL MODELS AND OFFICIAL FORECASTS SAY TROPICAL STORM CHRIS WILL BE NO BIG DEAL...BUT THEY COULD BE WRONG


Floridians- don't panic right away, but keep a close watch to LGF for tomorrow and Thursday's lunch time updates!

Tropical Storm Chris does not look super-healthy. It is battling very dry air to its North, and some Northerly shear which is blowing most of the thunderstorms to the South and East of the low level circulation center.

GFDL runs insist it will run through the islands, and the latest 12Z GFDL has it near La Isla de Juventud in 5 days as barely a tropical storm.
Global models aren't enthusiastic (next weeks multi-colored posts- the global models are in love with a couple of massive waves coming from Africa, and just as a little appetizer, Joe Bastardi thinks the pattern will favor the Carolinas to Northeast for massive hurricane destruction in a little less than 2 weeks.)

But, as Joe Bastardi points out, Chris is moving North of due West, and looks like it might just avoid the islands, plus it could get between two upper level lows, in an environment of light shear and better moisture.

BTW, if the GFDL is right, this limps into the Gulf of Mexico as barely a storm, but the waters are warm. And forecasted 500 mb heights next week suggest any storm entering the Gulf could be a threat to Louisiana and the oil fields.

191 ColoradoJim  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:46:00am

#154 The Monster

OCTal 31 (base 8) is equal to DECimal 25 (base 10)

(3x8) + 1 = (2x10) + 5

There are 10 kinds of people in the world:

Those who understand binary
and those who don't

192 republic  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:47:18am

#188 JamieWearingFool

It's like the time a few weeks back when I sent Charles a link to a Rove story and got a hat tip for the thread where the late, unlamented joewilson was jettisoned.

Happy to see it, sorry to have missed out on the fun.

I was right there that fateful night, that joe(thetraitor)wilson got canned!

I got to call him a dumbass,RIGHT before Charles said, joewislon has got to go, in which case, I got to give joewilson an appropriate sendoff!

It was a blast.

193 RC neo-Jew  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:47:19am

Green Helmet alert! For all Green Helmet spotters.

I've just seen him in a cameo performance on Channel 4 news, disguised by not wearing his green helmet, but recognisable nevertheless. Perhaps he's like a cheap version of Superman - when required for a particularly gruesome propaganda scene, dashes into a bombed building and leaps out dressed in his famous costume - It's Green Helmet!

194 Jimmy The Clam  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:47:56am

#172 - DistantThunder

I cannot remember anything near to this being made of Louis Farrakahn's and his minnions' rants about the Jews by the MSM.

Louis Farrakhan didn't make "Passion of the Christ".

There are other reasons too, but that pretty much is the main one.

195 bp_sf is now bp_nj  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:48:26am

#154

OCT 31 = DEC 25

That's an easy one.

Halloween is Christmas if you're a child molester.

196 pointed stick  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:49:48am

#179 hippieforlife

Ireland Palestine Solidarity


consider the history. they identify with the "resistance" and "struggle" as the ira "resisted" and "struggled" against the brits.
/terrorists loving terrorists...brings a tear to ones eye.

197 zulubaby  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:50:31am
198 da lai lager  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:50:32am

How can Lebanon take Israel to court and appear to be serious?

Hezbollah madde an unprovoked attack on Israel and Hezbollah forms part of the Lebanese coaliton government.

Contrary to a mandatory UN Security Council resolution Lebanon did nothing to disarm a militia that formed part of the Lebanese government and in fact allowed it to build up an arsenal of thousands of missiles wich it launched against a neighbouring sovereign state.

The evidence is clear that Hezbollah fired many missiles at Israel from among its own residential areas.

If there is going to be a law suit it should be issued by the people of Lebanon against Hezbollah, their own government and Hezbollah's suppliers Syria and Iran.

199 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:51:21am

180 rayra

I only missed by 12hrs

Wrong is wrong. Fess up about everything else right now.

Beat your chest and cry mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxim culpa

To show your sincerity this should be done while wearing sackcloth and ashes.

Just sayin'

200 republic  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:51:59am

#189 E C Marm

The "Godless" liberal press gets a free pass to attack any and all religions in order to create controversy and sell more newspapers kill more trees and contribute to global warming.

I just want to try and make you aware, that the "Godless liberal press", never, EVER, under any circumstances denounces, or calls the RoP(islam) out for what it is.

islam = the religion of deceit and murder

The leftist kook msm is islamofascist terrorism's very best friend.

But the leftist kook msm attacks Christianity on a daily basis.

201 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:53:06am

#92 Lively

The Seattle Muslim Murderer just recently converted to Christianity.

Interestingly, his deceased victim was also a convert:

A simultaneous funeral service took place in Minneapolis, where Waechter was raised Lutheran. She converted to Judaism when she was married, and she and her husband moved to Seattle in 1979.

Seattle shooting victim mourned

202 EC Marm  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:54:03am

#191 ColoradoJim
There are 10 kinds of people in the world:
Those who understand binary
and those who don't

That's great, did you just think of that?
( cue music )
101 is the loneliest number that you'll ever see...

203 zulubaby  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:55:32am
The Seattle Muslim Murderer just recently converted to Christianity.

Right. That's why he told his victims he was a MUSLIM before shooting them.

204 Jimmy The Clam  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:55:55am

#197 - zulubaby
No, and I don't believe I ever did zulubaby.
I did say several times that I thought the story was embellished or an out-right forgery (when it first came out), but not done by the police.

I think this is the third time I have said this to you.

205 scoreboard44  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:57:05am

190 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

I thought there were supposed to be a record number of Hurricanes this year?

Ed...When does Hurricane season officially start and end..?


Makes me long for the Methane Moons of Jupitor, or is Saturn?


Some would say it's Your-anus...(GOD I STILL LIKE THAT

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

206 zulubaby  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:58:01am

Yeah, Jimmy, you had plenty to say about until it turned out to be true.

Aaaanyway, moving right along ...

207 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 9:58:13am

Sometime ago, someone explained to me that Islam is a trader's religion. Explains it's popularity amongst the rug merchants.

That said, when are all these "traders" gonna decide that recent events are bad for business?

208 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:00:33am

#203 zulubaby

The shooting was his way of asking to be welcomed back into the ummah.

209 JustMyView  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:01:03am

#181 steuic

No reports of survivors. No evidence of a search for survivors, either.

There have been reports of survivors. In fact, there have pictures of survivors, and interviews with survivors.

Rescue efforts?

Shalhoub called the civil defense and the Lebanese Red Cross for help. But the roads were too dangerous. When Red Cross workers tried to make it at 6:30 a.m., they were forced to turn back three times because of Israeli shelling, Muqdad said.

(This passage is at the end of the article.)

Lots of details in both of these articles.

#103 EE

What is the reason that the MSM use the erroneous figure of 57 dead, when the latest figures from the Red Cross are 28 dead?

Which Red Cross figures are you referring to? The press release in the link at #66 was published on 7/30, and it specifically says "at this writing," which generally means, "The situation is unresolved; more information might reveal a different result." One television report indicated that, after the intact bodies had been pulled out, there were lots of parts left. That might account for why there were more reported deaths than recovered bodies--at least in early reports. There are also now numerous reports of bodies being discovered (in other villages) during the cease-fire and many reports of people (too old, too poor, too sick to travel) having survived w/ little food and water through 20 days of bombing.


-----------

To support a just cause that entails suffering and death is one thing. To dismiss that death and suffering is, well, . . . .

210 scoreboard44  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:01:38am

#206 zulubaby


trying to follow the argument but came in late.


Been a pessimist all day, so I won't jump in.

211 Beagle  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:02:37am

#205 scoreboard44

June 1 --> December 1

We are now entering the most exciting period of the tropical storm season. Early hurricanes tend to form in the Gulf of Mexico and not every year. Now we're into waves coming off Africa, usually more serious and frequent.

But yeah, if there aren't a bunch real soon it's time to start screaming about global cooling and the next ice age bearing down on us.

212 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:02:40am

.

Please link the threads where LGFers defend or give a pass to Louis Farrakhan or any other leftist POS making anti-Semitic remarks, including the thinly disguised 'neo-con'(PaBu) label.

If you link to nodrog foad.

.

213 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:02:56am
#192 republic 8/1/2006 11:47AM PDT

#188 JamieWearingFool

It's like the time a few weeks back when I sent Charles a link to a Rove story and got a hat tip for the thread where the late, unlamented joewilson was jettisoned.

Happy to see it, sorry to have missed out on the fun.

I was right there that fateful night, that joe(thetraitor)wilson got canned!

I got to call him a dumbass,RIGHT before Charles said, joewislon has got to go, in which case, I got to give joewilson an appropriate sendoff!

It was a blast.

I really lamented missing out on that. But silly me goes and makes a 7 am appointment on a Saturday, and that's my punishment. Oh the irony, joewilson getting whacked on a Rove thread.

Charles does have a sense of timing.

214 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:03:19am

#203 zulubaby

Exactly. Don't you get it? When a Pakistani Muslim walks into a Jewish Federation building, using a 13 old girl to get in, and then announces I AM A MUSLIM AMERICAN AND I AM ANGRY AT ISRAEL, before he shoots a bunch of women-pregnant ones included-that actually is MISUNDERSTOOD.

It's really not a very clear statement at all. I think what he is really saying is-well-a cry for help! It's all about how his belly button lint has been troubling him for some time-and that his mom made him wear Ayatollah underware instead of Superman underware...

You know...you're really mean!

215 scoreboard44  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:03:30am

I love the Human Race.

It's People I Hate.

216 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:03:58am

Unreconstructed Rebel

Articles are at ynetnews.com and jpost.com

217 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:05:57am

#216 A G

thanks

218 zulubaby  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:06:01am

Kragar (proud to be kafir), hopefully he'll have plenty of time to enjoy their warm embrace -- in jail.

scoreboard44, no argument actually. The facts speak for themselves. Let's talk about something else :-)

219 scoreboard44  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:07:19am

211 Beagle

it just pisses me off 'cause even my beloved Weather Channel and Accuweather so far are looking bad, especially Accuweather....they literally had it down that we could see EVEN MORE hurricanes than last year.

How am I supposed to be entertained when as of now, they don't seem to have PREDICTED RIGHT ONCE AGAIN....

AND WHY ISN'T GEORGE BUSH STANDING IN THE GULF WAITING FOR HURRICANES SO THAT HE CAN TURN THEM AWAY WITH THE ASSUME POWER OF KARL ROVE!?!

I really hope they are all so wrong....Global warming my ass.

220 ColoradoJim  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:07:21am

#202 - EC Marm

No, can't take credit for that. I just really like the joke. The ultimate nerd joke is the nerd valentine:

Roses are 0xFF0000
Violets are 0x0000FF
All my base
are belong to you.

(Search "All your base are belong to us.")

221 tfc3rid  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:07:28am

August 22... Yes I read the articles about it's meaning but come on, who here really thinks that the madmen in Iran would actually do something?

I know they are nuts and unpredictable and must be stopped but do you really think that they have the technology to do this?

222 Jimmy The Clam  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:08:20am

#206 - zulubaby

Yeah, Jimmy, you had plenty to say about until it turned out to be true.

As I remember, you also had lots to say about a conspiratorial "media cover-up" until that turned out not to be true.

223 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:08:33am

It's August 1, we have plenty of time for hurricanes. TS Chris is chugging out in the Atlantic right now.

Oh, can someone pipe in some global cooling for me? Please? The heat index is a sultry 110 where I am right now in Jersey.

224 scoreboard44  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:09:35am

That's "Awesome"

I was assuming something else.

225 norar  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:10:27am

#165 EC Marm

Muslim conversion to Christianity is allowed in the framework of Al-Taqiyya, if a Muslim uses it for the benefit of the Ummah.

I don't claim that this was the case, but there is a small but a very peculiar detail mentioned in the article is: the guy, visited his mosque a week before shooting and made a round of shaking hands there. Considering that he id described as an infrequent visitor even before conversion, I find it very peculiar both, that he suddenly decides to visit mosque and that devoted Muslims would agree to shake hands with an apostate.

226 scoreboard44  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:10:45am

#223 JammieWearingFool

Heat Index at 108 in Detroit.

227 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:11:31am

If John Kerry had won in 2004, we wouldn't have hurricanes.

/Channeling joewilson

228 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:11:56am

209 JustMyView


To support a just cause that entails suffering and death is one thing. To dismiss that death and suffering is, well, . . . .

To dismiss that death and suffering is caused 100% by islam is, well,. . . .

*Now it's fixed.

Forgot to finish your remark.

Unless of course you wanted to come across as a goat humpin' child murderer.

.

229 republic  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:12:03am

#213 JamieWearingFool

Here's the fateful night,

enjoy!

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=2143 2#c0100

230 ahem  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:12:33am

Well, at least one observant MSM newsman is noticing the mysterious lack of men.

231 J.D.  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:12:35am

The significance of August 22...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Close.

232 ördög Johnson  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:12:43am

#58 dennisw

Used google map, but not sure what I am supposed to be looking at/for...

233 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:12:51am

Dirk

If John Kerry had won in 2004, we wouldn't have hurricanes.

And dogs would shit ice cream.

234 Uncle Joe  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:13:42am

And the brain-dead MSM conveyor belt will continue to pass on Hizballah talking points without the slightest bit of investigation.

235 Jimmy The Clam  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:14:55am

#212 - BenZacharia
Has any LGF'r ever defended the NOI or Calypso Louie for anything they have said or done?

If you are talking to DistantThunder, the key word in his post at #172 is MSM.

236 J.D.  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:15:11am

Anyone see Wesley Clark earlier on Fox - whatever the name of the afternoon program is...
He says things wouldn't be this way if he had been elected President, because he would have talked to Iran.

The audience didn't cut him much slack.

237 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:16:03am

Wesley Clarke is a tool.

238 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:16:17am

#143 Ghost Right, I had heard that before, in fact I assumed it was something like that. The NGO's point, however, is that Iraqi women are worse off under American occupation -- and I have to wonder, do they have an axe to grind? Ya think?

I went to the site and read it. Given what I know to be the case in Islamic countries and especially what came out of Iraq at the time the US went in, I find it hard to believe that things are just quantitatively "worse" across the board.

For starters, I think that people are perhaps more willing to discuss incidents than they might have been under Sadaam. Remember, to criticize Sadaam & Co. was to forfeit your very life, and sometimes your families' lives as well.

You may recall that one in particular of Sadaam's sons was extremely sadistic and violent towards everyone, but especially women. Women that were unlucky enough to come within that particular hell-spawn's gaze reportedly simply didn't survive the event according to some reports.

Also note the "we are an Islamic society and know what is right ...." - Sadaam's regime was a secular regime rather than an Islamic regime. Offenses towards women under Sadaam seem to have been directed more towards the pretty ones, the virgin ones and those who spoke out of turn against Sadaam & company. And of course female relatives of those in trouble with Sadaam.

I suspect that some of what women are being subjected to in Iraq today comes at the hands of the mullahcracy (very much surpressed under Sadaam), much like what the Taliban subjected women to. Islam - wherever it is located - seems to be particularly harsh towards women. Beatings, rape and torture of incarcerated women is simply the norm. Obey or pay.


The other problem that they mention is women being promised jobs outside of Iraq and then finding thaat they have been sold into prostitution. This may be a new problem to Iraq, but it is certainly not "new." There has been a very long standing problem in Europe of exactly this type of thing, mostly girls from the former Yugoslavia but elsewhere in what used to be Eastern Europe as well.

Note also that Islam does not disallow slavery and slavery is still practiced in a number of countries, including Saudi Arabia. (Yuu might have noticed the news article a few weeks back about the slavery conviction of a Saudi couple in Colorado.)

While it may be convenient to blame the US overthrow of Sadaam, I don't think that is exactly an accurate assessment of what's going on.

239 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:16:33am
And dogs would shit ice cream.

Coconut pineapple or Neapolitan?

240 amyc  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:17:33am

223 JWF wow. I don't know what it is down here in GA, but the 4 years we lived in Jersey I don't think it every got that hot. Of course, you will have lovely weather in a week or two, and we'll still be sweating.

241 republic  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:18:14am

#236 J.D.

The audience didn't cut him much slack.

They should have just told him,

"Enjoy your retirement Mr.Clark"

He's a complete kook.

Complete!

242 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:18:24am

Heinz 57

243 mbruce  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:18:28am

Yeah, I actually turned off Rush today when the ABC news dame said something on the order of " The children who died due to the Israeli air strike leveling their building". Not even an "alleged" qualifier or anything,just accepted as fact by these MSM asshats. I clicked off the radio and left it silent for the rest of the drive.

244 J.D.  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:18:56am

#237 Peacekeeper
Tool. Fool.
Whatever.

245 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:19:30am

whatever.

246 loppyd  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:20:07am

223 Jammie

It's the same here.

I can't use the A/C in the POS - makes the freaking thing stall. The ride to my brother's was hellish. Literally.

247 loppyd  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:20:40am

PK

Not only is he a tool, but he's incredibly creepy.

248 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:20:48am
249 loppyd  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:23:05am

248 PK

Gah!

250 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:24:38am
251 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:26:04am

Loppy
It's the eyes.

252 J.D.  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:26:21am

Heat index 95° in sunny south FL.

#241 republic
There were many in the audience that thought he was a kook. One saluted him for his bravery in coming to Fox, and it was pointed out to her that he is a Fox "contributor"...

253 viahj  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:26:38am

regarding August 22

amadinnerjacket says this today, after the un resolution..."If some think they can still speak with threatening language to the Iranian nation, they must know that they are badly mistaken"

now why would he say this and use the word "still"?

see my #15 from a previous thread

he has at least one nuke now.

254 J.D.  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:27:33am

#247 loppyd
But his hair was perfectly groomed...
He has his priorities straight, y'know?

255 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:27:43am

Another creep

256 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:28:53am

248 Peacekeeper
When you are going to link to something that heinous, please warn us.

257 J.D.  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:28:58am

#248 Peacekeeper
EGAD!

Deliveryman...

258 EC Marm  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:29:09am

#220 ColoradoJim
The famous "pwned" if I recall. Good poem. I always worked in "high level" languages (doesn't that sound snooty, actually they are easier than so called low-level) so my binary is a tad adequate, at best.
OT - anyone see Ollie North explanation on Fox last night for why europe is so anti-Israel? The same reason the libs said we went to war with Iraq. Oil - except since Israel doesn't have any, the future "Islamic European Union" has to kiss ..... backside or else they'll be paying 10 to 15 bucks per gallon.

259 pointed stick  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:29:22am

#246 loppyd

I can't use the A/C in the POS


another fine selling point! ; )
/i take it no interested buyer yet?

260 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:30:24am

#233 Peacekeeper

And dogs would shit ice cream.

YOU MEAN ITS NOT ICE CREAM NOW!?

/a horrified moonbat

261 Beagle  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:30:28am

scoreboard44

Global warming is real. The planet's been gradually warming since the last ice age about ten thousand years ago. But the fact is that recent temperature changes have been nothing compared to the typical rapid and radical fluctuations. The question is whether human CO2 production is causing something abmormal and dangerous. And then, if one says yes, what can we do about it? I think the answers are no and not much. Natural sources of CO2 put human output to shame.

For all their self-righteous pontificating and doomsaying the Europeans aren't doing as well controlling C02 output as the United States. Freaking hypocrites.

262 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:31:07am

hey loppyd,

I missed you on earlier threads.

Oh, is it disgusting out there. My office building they're "conserving", so it's about 78. Not too bad. But step out on the blacktop and you want to pass out. I'm at about 90 minutes until I hit the pool.

I hope you had a nice time on Nantucket. I forgot to get back in touch with you before I left. I got into Hyannis once, and that was to take my son to the merry-go-round and arcade rides. Otherwise I must have racked up 50-60 hours on the beach and some golf. We even went clamming a couple times.

Got my Howie fill as well. All Fat Matt, all the time. The funniest hour of Howie that I heard was last week when he was talking about the animal rights wacko who got stomped by the elephant.

The weather was great for two weeks. Hardly any rain and never above 85. I don't think I'll get back up this summer, but my wife probably will around Labor Day.

263 hans ze beeman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:32:16am

#261: Beagle

Global warming is real.

Proof

264 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:32:27am
If John Kerry had won in 2004, we wouldn't have hurricanes.

And dogs would shit ice cream.

And there would be free hard-core gay porn for all.

(just throwing a bone, er, so to speak, to Dirk)

265 vapig  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:32:40am

MM on the Qana "incident":

[Link: hotair.com...]

Not as hard hitting as I was hoping for.

266 amyc  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:33:25am

We're not discussing Wesley "The Prince of Darkness" Clark? shudder

267 hans ze beeman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:34:14am

Btw, Robert Tracinski rocks:

This is a strange kind of war, in which we have more than enough military capability to crush the enemy's "lousy army." Nor do we lack the intellectual power to understand and counteract the enemy's strategy. But we lack the moral confidence to use both our power and our knowledge.

But in the life-and-death struggle with totalitarian Islam, there is no room for Western self-abnegation. On the contrary, what we need is a proud, righteous self-assertion, the unapologetic pursuit of America's and Israel's vital interests, unbowed by appeals to pity or to "world opinion."

But if our leaders won't provide an assertive American national defense on their own power, we will have to demand it of them. If they won't lead the way against our enemies, we will have to lead and force them to follow.

268 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:34:26am

loppyd,

BTW, I did see the end of the game last night. When will these chuckleheads start pitching around Big Papi? Who was that on the mound, Armando Benitez, Jr.?

WTF?

But my boys are hanging around and got three decent players in Abreu, Wilson, and Lidle. Should be a fun two months.

Contrary to popular belief around the All-Star break, I think they're both getting into the playoffs. White Sox are staggering and the Twins can't keep it up at the current pace.

269 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:35:05am
270 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:35:34am

OT
Speaking of creepy: Envisioning Michael jackson as a decaying monster in 1983

The real thing

271 loppyd  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:35:47am

pointed stick

another fine selling point! ; )
/i take it no interested buyer yet?

Heh.

A guy came to look at it last week, but he didn't realize it was a stick shift...the ad said 5 speed, but there was a language barrier.

I wish I lived near some rioting "youths"...

272 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:35:48am

IAF GOES BACK TO TERROR VALLEY..............

Report: IAF warplanes strike five targets in Lebanon`s Bekaa Valley (AP)

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

273 sunny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:36:44am
263 hans ze beeman 8/1/2006 12:32PM PDT
#261: Beagle

Global warming is real.

Best site on the subject.

274 hepcat  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:36:47am

237 Peacekeeper
Wesley Clarke is a tool.

...and a fool.

275 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:36:50am

I don't feel at ease with these attempts to "prove" that the Qana bombing was staged. The IDF made a mistake, simple as that. There's no need to descend into the Twilight Zone to get them off the hook. It's too much like the weirdos who keep going on about 9/11 being a Bush inside job.

276 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:38:13am

#211 beagle:

Did someone say global cooling? Because that's exactly what we're experiencing. Although it's not global cooling at the surface, but at high altitude. Which the scientists take to mean global warming... as they examine really rare cloud formation in Antartica

...The clouds may also be an indicator of global warming. The build-up of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere that traps heat on Earth, causing it to heat up, also stops heat from reaching the stratosphere and causes it to become cooler.

Anyone else seem to remember the laws of thermodynamics about conservation of energy?

277 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:38:48am

OR,

I'll never live that comment down. One throw away remark and I'm forever labeled as a militant gay porn enthusiast.

/To all those lurking here, I am straight.

278 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:39:01am

.

The ice caps on Mars have been receding for a few years now. How did we do that?

.

279 Beagle  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:39:41am

#275 The Sanity Inspector

After the Arab's long history of staging these types of events you really sound naive, at best.

280 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:39:43am
281 paul in Va  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:40:27am

#209 JustMyView

There allegedly were some survivors, but they seem to not be able to get their story straight even regarding the bombing and collapse of the building, not to mention the picture propaganda. From the NYT link in your post:

The first missile struck around 1 a.m., throwing Mohamed Shalhoub, one of the relatives who uses a wheelchair, into an open doorway...He tried to get to them, but minutes later another missile hit.

I saw a video at yahoo saying the same thing. A bearded guy, maybe early 30's, claimed that said he was blown out of the building by the "1st" missile and couldn't get back in before the "2nd" missile brought the building down.

The IAF didn't report 2 missiles being fired at the same building, much less within minutes of each other. But regardless, the NYT next reports:

Israeli military officials said the building did not collapse until the early morning, and that “munitions” stored in the house might have brought it down. But the house appeared to have been hit from above, and residents said the walls and ceiling came down around them immediately after the first bomb.

So a bit of contradiction there, the collapse came after the 1st bomb and after the "2nd" bomb. But they're sure it didn't happen at 8am!

Also a "survivor" was shown on video on Fox, I, think, claiming that the missile had come in "through the door." Maybe a helicopter could have fired through the door, but other "survivors" claim the ceiling was hit.

Sounds like more than just fog of war to cover up whatever Hezb did.

282 hans ze beeman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:40:37am

#276: lawkawk

I don't get it. Today it is global cooling, but at the same time we're threatened by global warming. It appears environmentalist provide evidence for both, without actually caring about possible, like, contradictions.

283 crazytraveler  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:40:38am

OT:

[Link: cbs2chicago.com...]

Durbin Backs Bill To Help Lebanese In U.S.
Sen. Says Bill Will Give "Positive Signal" About U.S. Concerns For Lebanon's Civilians
(AP) WASHINGTON
The Senate's second-ranking Democrat is pushing a bill that would allow Lebanese nationals now in the United States to remain here because ongoing hostilities in the Mideast make it unsafe for them to return home.

Sen. Dick Durbin cited United Nations estimates that hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced from their homes as a result of the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah fighters based in Lebanon.

"At this delicate moment in U.S-Arab relations, giving temporary protected status to Lebanon will send a positive signal about United States concern for the suffering of innocent Lebanese civilians," the Illinois lawmaker said.

The bipartisan measure is co-sponsored by New Hampshire Republican Senator John Sununu, who is himself of Lebanese descent.

"Congress must act quickly to ensure that otherwise well-intentioned immigration laws do not force Lebanese nationals to leave the country, or have their immigration status placed in legal limbo," Sununu said.

The legislation unveiled Tuesday would make Lebanon eligible for temporary protected status for an initial one-year period, meaning Lebanese nationals could remain here until the status expires.

The senators' spokesmen said the measure does not lead to permanent resident status or U.S. citizenship. When the temporary protected status designation of a country is terminated, beneficiaries revert to the same immigration status they maintained previously.

An alien is not eligible for the measure if he has committed a felony or two or more misdemeanors or if the Department of Homeland Security determines that he poses a threat to national security.

Senators Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich., and Russ Feingold, D-Wis., are also original co-sponsors of the legislation.

What a jerk.

284 Fran2  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:40:46am

Read Using Dead Lebanese Children for Ammunition over at the This Ongoing War blog.

285 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:41:12am

#277 Dirk:

as a militant gay porn enthusiast

I am straight


Why can't you be both, like the late Earl Warren?


/apologies to Simpsons writers

286 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:41:18am

#278 BenZacharia

Congressional hot air goes a long way

287 wargammer2005  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:42:44am

JustMyView

so the reports of Israel calling people on the phone, dropping leaflsts, ect saying that the need to leave the area are what?

if israel and others do nothing to stop the terrorist so this just keeps happening, the dead died for no purpose

is this what you want?
for this to go on and on and on and on?

or do you think if Israel just stoped shooting and let the terrorist win that would be better?

288 pointed stick  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:42:47am

#271 loppyd
and she drives a manual transmission!
/so impressed right now. honestly!
counselor, there are more than a few areas of your fair city in which people have been known to park cars that have managed to wander off.
it is your insurance company's burden of proof as to whether or not the keys were in the ignition.
/just saying...

289 ibrodsky  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:43:17am

Ibrodsky's strategy for Israel in S. Lebanon:

Set a reasonable deadline by which everyone south of the Litani River must leave.

Destroy all buildings south of the Litani (possible exemptions at Israel's discretion).

Secure the entire area.

Agree to an int'l force only on the condition that Israel retains the right to perform spot checks to ensure no weapons are being smuggled in and/or stockpiled, and that no terrorist organizations are regrouping or recruiting.

Agree to an int'l force only on the condition that said force will be evacuated within 72 hours upon Israeli demand should Israel be attacked across the Israel-Lebanon border.

Permit the creation and arrival of an int'l force under NATO command.

There should be a phased program for replacing the int'l force with the Lebanese Army. New phases may only be initiated when both Israel and Lebanon's legitimate government agree that the current phase has been satisfactorily completed. Once the transition has been completed, any attack on Israel across the Lebanese border will be considered an act of war by the sovereign government of Lebanon.

There should also be an ongoing program to disarm Hezb'allah and other terrorist groups throughout Lebanon under NATO supervision.

Negotiations shall be conducted for the exchange of the two Israeli soldiers unharmed for Hezb'allah POWs and remains captured after the kidnapping attack. Palestinian prisoners, as well as Lebanese prisoners captured prior to the kidnapping, are excluded from consideration.

290 loppyd  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:43:39am

Jammie

Hi - Actually, I was on the Vineyard. Spent Saturday on Chappy and said a little prayer for Mary Jo and reaffirmed my hatred of Teddy K.

Howie was definitely in rare form when you were here. I found out from one of his articles that Fat Matt lives on the street I grew up on.

I heard the Elephant lady show! I was dying...

Happy to hear you had a good time. We're not sure we're going back to the Vineyard in August as planned....might head up to Maine instead.

291 journeyscarab  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:44:18am

f-ning Turbin Durbin. When can we activate Executive Order 1066 and include Senators, Congressmen and Media types?

292 so.cal.swede  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:44:37am

i swear. if i had more balls, money and time, i'd go to the war-zone as a fake pro-pali journalist and pretend to be on their side so see if i could shake out some dirt behind the scenes.

293 hans ze beeman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:45:38am

#277: Dirk Diggler

One throw away remark and I'm forever labeled as a militant gay porn enthusiast.

You care so much about things. That's what an older sister should do /ducks

294 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:46:02am

Just what we need on this hot day, a steaming, fetid pile of propagandistic bullshit, dateline Havana:

Cuban workers rally for ailing Castro

"Everything's normal here — for the moment," said hospital worker Emilio Garcia, 41, waiting for a friend at a Havana hotel. "But we've never experienced this before — it's like a small test of how things could be without Fidel."

The main newscast on state-run television gave no details of Castro's condition but ran a string of man-on-the-street interviews with Cubans wishing Castro well and professing confidence in the revolution's staying power. The anchor said Castro had the people's "unconditional support."

.
.
.

"We've been asked to keep things normal here, and to make sure that the revolution continues," said Daniel, a young social worker.

Government work centers brought employees together for small rallies throughout Havana.

"For this man, we must give our life," a customs worker told a crowd waving Cuban flags and shouting "Long live Fidel!"

Elsewhere, it looked like a regular day in Havana, with people packed into buses and standing in line outside stores.

.
.
.

Many Cubans on the island thought the Miami celebrations were in poor taste — and premature.

"We aren't going to celebrate someone's illness," said a waitress who wouldn't give her name.

Sure, celebrating the demise of a mass murderer, that's in poor taste.

Once this piece of garbage does croak, it won't be an easy transition. So many poor souls there have been hopelessly indoctrinated. They'll probably wind up with Kos diaries once they discover what computers are.

295 Beagle  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:46:15am

Let me be very clear what I'm talking about, a general warming since the last ice age - thousands of years ago. Personally I think recent minor fluctuations up in global temperature are due to increased solar activity. Martian warming tracks our miniscule warming, I know.

Fact is, very slowly warming temperatures are generally a good thing. The tendency is for sudden cooling events, probably often due to volcanism and the associated dust.

Climate scientists want funding. I believe the furor of global warming is an economic attack on the developed nations bootstrapped on overwrought climate scientists.

What I'm trying to say is that stable temperatures would be very strange. Looking long term, tens and hundreds of thousands of years, temperatures fluctuate all the time, sometimes wildly. There's very strong evidence the globe has been much hotter than it is now, and recovered just fine.

296 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:46:22am

#282 hans:

Today it is global cooling, but at the same time we're threatened by global warming.

The real threat of course is global climate stagnation.

297 vxbush  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:46:30am

292 so.cal.swede

Tempting, sir. Very tempting. Wouldn't you love to catch them on tape planning another "massacre"?

298 shimra  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:46:32am

OT but for anyone who thinks that there are no Arabs or Muslims who are sick to death of jihad check out this link: http://www.arabsforisrael.com/

299 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:46:50am
300 zulubaby  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:47:11am
Gaza: Palestinians wounded in inter-factional gunbattles

A number of Palestinians were wounded when armed groups exchanged fire in Gaza City.

Officials in the Palestinian Authority reported that the gunbattles took place in the center of town, apparently between Fatah's armed forces and Hamas’ armed force.

Now how will they blame this on the Jews?

301 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:47:49am

270 Peacekeeper
Every time I see that picture, only one thing comes to mind....
[Link: www.uploadit.org...]

302 EE  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:48:43am

OT
As Ahmadinejad Watches, by Caroline Glick
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

303 scoreboard44  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:49:46am

261 Beagle

I need another ten years to be convinced. I will start at the beginning, which will be now...then work my way forward over the next decade...

Without using anything to base anything on concerning the past.

This way, I start with a clean slate and can be objective at the end.

Hopefully I will come to a conclusion based on sound scientific principles....

But boy, it sure did snow alot more when I was a kid.

304 loppyd  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:49:54am

pointed stick

I learned on a stick shift.

Believe me, I've been leaving the POS unlocked in all the dodgy areas. No luck yet, but I keep hoping for a miracle.

305 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:49:55am

I don't know if this has been posted....Was the 'Qana massacre' a hoax? The truth matters!

It seems so much like Pallywood/Jenin/Mohammed al-Dura redux.

306 scoreboard44  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:51:30am

295 Beagle


Lakes of Liquid Methane.

307 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:52:30am

loppyd,

I was out driving looking for a new propane place, stuck in traffic, of course, so I heard mnost of that elephant lady thing. I was dying laughing. She won't be down for breakfast.

Where did that take place?

You know who I really got a kick out of was Col. David Hunt. He's great on the radio. Normally just see him on O'Reilly, but he was busting Howie's chops. Very funny guy.

308 scoreboard44  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:53:14am

back later

309 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:53:39am
310 vxbush  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:53:45am

Beagle, scoreboard44

I think global warming advocates/searchers of grant money would be more believable if they didn't keep upping the amount of warming expected over the next hundred years. First it was 3 degrees C, then 5, then 6, and now I'm hearing 10 to 30 degrees!

/my grant money is more important than your grant money

311 funkyfantom  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:53:46am

#146 wargamer

Pat Buchanan has a long and rich history of Nazi sympathizing.

A bit strange, since if the Germans had won the war, the Nazis wouldn't have given very nice treatment to non-Nordic Irish-Americans, who would have been judged racially inferior.

312 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:53:49am

#300 zulubaby

Well, if the jews werent there, then the Palis wouldn't have factions over what the best way to kill them would be. Damn jews again.

/is a tag really necessary?

313 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:53:56am

#275 The Sanity Inspector
I don't feel at ease with these attempts to "prove" that the Qana bombing was staged. The IDF made a mistake, simple as that. There's no need to descend into the Twilight Zone to get them off the hook. It's too much like the weirdos who keep going on about 9/11 being a Bush inside job.

Sanity Inspector, one of the reasons that you possess a brain is so that you can use it. It isn't a matter of "feeling at ease." I don't "feel at ease" with deliberate lies.

I have been one of the many people tracking this down over the last couple of days. My background is in medicine. When you see a picture of a body "killed in the building collapse" an hour or so ago and that body exhibits things like arms frozen straight in the air, that is a medical event called rigor mortis. Simply put, that body died 12-24 hours+ ago, not 60 minutes ago.

When you see a body bag both dripping blood and pouring maggots there is something scientifically wrong with the picture. Blood exposed to oxygen coagulates very quickly. You know this yourself because you have cut yourself once or twice. If you're not sure, jab your finger and drop a little blood on the counter. See for yourself. Maggots, on the other hand, take DAYS to appear. You can try that too. Leave a little hamburg out in a container (uncovered) that you do not want.

Pretend you are watching CSI. Examine the evidence rather than whine about being uncomfortable.

314 EE  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:54:04am

re #302

IN HER discussions with Israeli leaders, Rice has proposed that in the framework of a settlement of the current crisis, Israel give Mt. Dov on the Golan Heights to Lebanon. There has been almost no public debate about the reasonableness of the US position. Yet even the most superficial analysis makes it clear that such a move would be catastrophic for Israel's long-term viability.

Mt. Dov, which Hizbullah refers to as the Shaba Farms, is not and has never been Lebanese territory. In 2000, following Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon, the UN certified that Israel had removed itself from all Lebanese territory.

The UN further confirmed that Mt. Dov was territory Israel wrested from Syria during the course of the 1967 Six Day War. The UN stated that the fate of the territory would be determined in the course of negotiations toward a peace treaty between Israel and Syria.

Hizbullah cut the Lebanese territorial claim to Mt. Dov out of whole cloth as a pretext for continuing its war against Israel after Israel left Lebanon. Its claim that Mt. Dov is Lebanese territory has been rejected by the international community. Yet today, the US is prodding Israel to give Mt. Dov to Lebanon as a confidence-building gesture toward the Lebanese government, which of course supports Hizbullah's demand. By adopting this Hizbullah demand, the US is breaching the decades-old foundation of the Law of Nations, which stipulates that states cannot win territory from other states through armed aggression.

ADDITIONALLY, by supporting Hizbullah's demand, the US is in effect suing for a Hizbullah victory in this war. Hizbullah has never demanded Mt. Dov for itself. It demands the vast territory that connects the Syrian Golan to the Upper Galilee for Lebanon. And the Lebanese government, which the US seeks to strengthen, supports this Hizbullah demand just as it supports all of Hizbullah's demands. If Lebanon receives the territory, Hizbullah will be the clear victor in this war.

Moreover, by even suggesting that Israel consider giving Mt. Dov to Lebanon, the US is undermining the very notion that Israel has a right to recognized borders. If after Israel removed itself to the international border Lebanon can receive support for additional territorial claims against Israel, that means there is no line to which Israel can remove itself in the Golan, or in Jerusalem, or in Judea and Samaria or Gaza and safely assume that its borders will be recognized by the rest of the world.

315 hans ze beeman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:56:32am

Tzipi Livni: "There Can No Longer Be a Hezbollah"

SPIEGEL: Was the withdrawal of Israeli troops from the security zone in southern Lebanon in 2000 a mistake?

Livni: I don't currently busy myself with 'if only' questions. Israel made a decision at the time that, as we see today, wasn't without risk. The same could be said about the withdrawal from the Gaza Strip. Israel is also attacked with rockets from there and a soldier was also kidnapped there. This is why the international community should give Israel even greater support now.

316 pointed stick  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:58:11am

#304 loppyd
I learned on a stick shift.
/bows reverantly -but no so reverantly that loppyd's boyfriend or mrs. stick get pissed off at me.../

Believe me, I've been leaving the POS unlocked in all the dodgy areas. No luck yet, but I keep hoping for a miracle.
/hypothetically speaking, of course.
good luck with that! ; )

317 EC Marm  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:58:14am

#278 BenZacharia 8/1/2006 12:39PM PDT
The ice caps on Mars have been receding for a few years now. How did we do that?
Didn't you see any pics from those couple of SUV's the U.S. put on the surface of Mars a few years ago? Bush's fault again, he should have demanded they get better mileage.
I remember an article about twenty years ago that said a 1% decline in solar output was responsible for the severe winters and growing glaciers we were experiencing then. So maybe now we're in a 1% increase in solar output. Solar system warming, in effect.
To me, it's all about the upper level temps, that they test with the weather balloons. When they start to rise, I'll believe it... Meanwhile it's over 100 degrees in the shade outside.

318 Sarah D.  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:58:35am

#313 galloping granny

I've heard mention of the maggots several times. Could you please post a link to that photo?

319 so.cal.swede  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:59:22am

#275 The Sanity Inspector

I don't feel at ease with these attempts to "prove" that the Qana bombing was staged. The IDF made a mistake, simple as that. There's no need to descend into the Twilight Zone to get them off the hook. It's too much like the weirdos who keep going on about 9/11 being a Bush inside job.

I know exactly how you feel, it was my first reaction too. It's horrible and sad when innocent and children die in wars, no matter who's at fault.

But after looking at some really really queer things about this whole story (green helmet man, the insta-printed gianormous banner, 8 hours between strike and collapse).. it's dawning on me that the only thing worse than innocents dying in a war is for one side to exploit death as propaganda material.

People who fight wars by using innocent lives to propagate it MUST be exposed.. or we will see a quick degradation of battlefield etiquette.

320 EE  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 10:59:43am

re #314
I think that rewarding Hizballah by giving Lebanon territory that it has never had -- Mr. Dov, aka Shaba Farms -- would be giving Nasrallah and Hizballah a victory in the eyes of the Lebanese that would exceed even their claims to victory when Israel left Lebanon. That would cement Hizballah's reputation and draw to them even those who at present oppose them, or who are lukewarm to them. Who would be able to resist supporting Hizballah after that?

Whoever thought of the idea of appeasing Hizballah's territorial demands, and whoever supports that idea, is making the same kind of mistake that people made at Munich when they attempted to appease Hitler's territorial demnads. It only whets the aggressor's appetite for more demands, shows weakness, and encourages others to join the aggressor's bandwagon.

321 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:00:21am

#304 loppy:

I learned on a stick shift.

Believe me, I've been leaving the POS unlocked

I learned on an automatic, but having now gotten used to stick shift, I really don't want to go back. An automatic just doesn't feel right any more.


#299 rayra:

While I agree that Stephens is wrong in shreiking "quagmire" right out of the starting gate, I am also worried about many of the same things he is, aren't you? Chiefly, the broad idea that Israel is "on the clock". And the Israeli Chief of Staff is no weeping defeatist, but has clearly expressed concerns along the same lines, as Stephens notes.

322 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:00:37am

Very interesting summary article - definitely worth the read

Here's a new bit you all might be interested in -
But the western media would surely blow the whistle on stage-managed news fakery, right?

Reporting from southern Lebanon (and quoted in the Columbia Journalism Review), freelance journalist and Time magazine contributor Christopher Allbritton drops this little gem:

To the south, along the curve of the coast, Hezbollah is launching Katyushas, but I'm loathe to say too much about them. The Party of God has a copy of every journalist's passport, and they've already hassled a number of us and threatened one.

To be clear, he doesn't say that Hezbollah fakes the news events. Or that they manipulate the journalists. But he doesn't need to. And we're left wondering: on what other aspects of this complex story are he and his colleagues loathe to report? And what have they reported as fact that perhaps ought not to have been reported as fact? Fair questions, no?

CNN's Nic Robertson can supply a helpful answer to that. Last week, Howard Kurtz – on his Reliable Sources show on CNN - interviewed Robertson about reporting from Lebanon. Here's Columbia Journalism Review's analysis of their exchange:

Just a few days before, Hezbollah minders had taken Robertson on a tour of a neighborhood in southern Beirut that had been hit by Israeli missiles. Robertson told Kurtz, "Hezbollah has a very, very sophisticated and slick media operation," and in southern Beirut, "they deny journalists access into those areas. They can turn on and off access to hospitals in those areas." He also said that Hezbollah "designated the places that we went to, and we certainly didn't have time to go into the houses or lift up the rubble to see what was underneath ... Hezbollah is now running a number of [press tours] every day, taking journalists into this area. They realize that this is a good way for them to get their message out, taking journalists on a regular basis. Robertson [said]: "We went in to those southern suburbs of Beirut with that media representative from Hezbollah. They haven't let western reporters into some parts of that very, very, very carefully controlled southern suburbs ... they took us in because they wanted to show us what was being damaged." He then ended by again reminding viewers that it was a "very, very brief and swift tour escorted by Hezbollah." The disclosure that Hezbollah acted as tour guide does put the report into perspective, but still, Robertson could have dwelled a bit more on the calculated photo op CNN's cameras were provided by an obviously interested party.

(Source: Paul McLeary, Lifting the Cover of the Hezbollah PR Effort). McLeary also quotes CNN's Anderson Cooper from a week ago (transcript here):

We found ourselves with other foreign reporters taken on a guided tour by Hezbollah ... They only allowed us to videotape certain streets, certain buildings... This is a heavily orchestrated Hezbollah media event. When we got here, all the ambulances were lined up. We were allowed a few minutes to talk to the ambulance drivers. Then one by one, they've been told to turn on their sirens and zoom off so that all the photographers here can get shots of ambulances rushing off to treat civilians ... These ambulances aren't responding to any new bombings. The sirens are strictly for effect.

323 hans ze beeman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:00:41am

#296: Occasional Reader

The real threat of course is global climate stagnation.

In the 1970s, the Ice Age was coming. Then the ozone hole was going to destroy life as we know it. Then it was global warming, and that has rapidly morphed into global climate change. It is very difficult to keep up with the changing threats we face. If I didn't know better, I would think someone was making these things up. OK. I would like to get in on this. I will make a prediction right now. The next greatest threat to life on earth will be global climate stagnation. It is enough to make one's blood run cold. Or warm. Or change a bit, one way or the other. Or stay the same temperature.

324 so.cal.swede  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:00:44am
The ice caps on Mars have been receding for a few years now. How did we do that?

Link me please!

325 EE  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:00:58am

re #328, oops, that's Mount Dov. Sorry for the typo.

326 Geepers  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:02:46am

Well I have to give our kafiyya-wearing Marine-targeting "Shoot First" friend Kevin Sites a modicum of respect.

One of his "In the Hot Zone" bits where he's in the house of hezbollah members showing off their AKs, M16s and RPGs he makes a point to zoom in twice on the baby cradle in the same room.

327 loppyd  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:02:50am

Jammie

The elephant lady was killed in TN of all places.

Col. Hunt was great while Howie was on vacation and as a guest. He lives in Maine, BTW.

And about those Red Sox...if they had walked Ortiz, Manny was up next. The BF called it as soon as Papi got up to bat..we knew that ball was gone the minute he connected.

Your Yanks got some good pickups. Old George must be happy he got to spend some more of his money.

328 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:03:22am

50,000 Canucks in Lebanon!? What tha...

No one nails "it" (whatever it happens to be at the time) like Mark Steyn.

A year or two or five ago, they stood before the Maple Leaf and pledged allegiance to Her Majesty The Queen and sang O Canada and listened to the citizenship judge blather about all the many races and nationalities in the room that were now joined within the bosom of the Canadian family. And it all meant . . . nothing.

329 hans ze beeman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:03:47am

#321: Occasional Reader

I learned on an automatic, but having now gotten used to stick shift, I really don't want to go back. An automatic just doesn't feel right any more.

Great! Most here consider an automatic as something for girls. And girlie-men.

*Bites tongue, sweating*

Dirk, what car are you driving?

/stopping it now

330 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:04:39am

Regarding Qana--as I mentioned before, I'd like to see if the Israeli government puts out a statement on this, since they are sane, rational, and have a lot at stake. I am also cautious about conspiracy theories, but the photo evidence does have a lot of odd things about it. And hey, 3 or 4 years ago I'd have been suspicious of, say, a conspiracy theory that said the Palis shot one of their own kids and managed to blame the IDF even though the whole thing was filmed and broadcast, but that DID happen, didn't it?!

331 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:04:47am

#318 - Sarah D. Post a link to photo?

Sarah, I have not seen a photo of this. This is a statement from an Eyewitness: article written by a CNN reporter in the last few deays - the 29th or 30th I think. In the first few paragraphs.

332 loppyd  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:05:13am

316 pointed stick

I won't tell anyone. I didn't before, remember? :D

333 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:06:35am

#329 hans:

Most here consider an automatic as something for girls. And girlie-men.

Well, I drive a German car, so what does that say about youse* guys?!


____________________________
*or "y'all", take your pick

334 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:07:43am

Ah, whoops, misread... hans, I thought you were saying the stick shift was considered girlie. But of course not... men have sticks, everyone knows that.

And I'm guessing Dirk drives one of those androgynous "Tiptronic" cars.

335 EE  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:08:10am

Our Sec. of State Condaleezza Rice seems so pragmatic, it is hard to believe that she would actually propose to Israel that Israel seek to appease Hizballah's territorial demands by giving to Lebanon Mount Dov, when this Mount Dov territory has never, ever, belonged to Lebanon. (Mount Dov is called Shaba Farms by Hizballah, and they want it from Israel.)

Can it really be true that Sec. of State Rice is suggesting this to Israel? If this is true, it changes my opinion of Rice completely. I find it very hard to believe that she is actually advocating this to Israel.

Paying blackmail never solves anything; the blackmailer simply demands more.

And appeasement of an enemy that wants you dead doesn't solve anything. That enemy will just raise an additional demand.

I am hoping that the reports that Rice is advocating this to Israel are mistaken.

336 TotallySirius  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:09:13am

OT

97 degrees

375% humidity

Algore says its global warming.

We call it "summer in Ohio".

..and I worked in an attic today.

Bwa hahahahahaha

I think I got dain bramage.

337 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:09:38am

Sanity Inspector,

I don't feel at ease with these attempts to "prove" that the Qana bombing was staged. The IDF made a mistake, simple as that. There's no need to descend into the Twilight Zone to get them off the hook. It's too much like the weirdos who keep going on about 9/11 being a Bush inside job.

I concur. Let's simplify things and not get carried away by wildly speculating as to whether the whole event was "staged". In the end it's all irrelevant. Any civilian casualties that occur in this conflict are to be laid solely at the feet of the instigator of this conflict, Hezb'Allah.

338 nycat  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:10:29am

All this outrage about civilian casualties in Lebanon. I have a question: Where was the outrage when Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia? When Palestinians intentionally fired rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel? When Hezbollah killed hundreds of American Marines in Lebanon? When Muslims murdered more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and buses injuring over 700? When a series of suicide bombings at two beach resorts in Bali, killed at least 22 innocent vacationers, wounding over 100 more? When a Palestinian woman detonated a suicide bomb in the heart of one of Jerusalem's busiest shopping centers, killing many and seriously injuring at least 100? When a Palestinian suicide bomber targeted a Passover Seder in Israel, killing 11 people and wounding over 60? What about when 15 people were killed -- including 7 children -- and about 130 injured in a suicide bombing at the Sbarro pizzeria in Israel? When a suicide bomber blew himself up outside a Tel Aviv disco killing 21 teenagers and wounding 120? When coordinated suicide bombs at three hotels in Amman, Jordan killed at least 57 people and injured over 96? When a suicide bombing near the old central bus station in Tel Aviv killed 9 people and wounded at least 40? When 16 people, including a 3-year-old, were killed and about 100 injured when two buses in Be'ersheba, Israel were attacked? Dead children, Dead tourists, Dead teachers, Dead doctors and nurses. Death, destruction and mayhem around the world at the hands of genocidal Muslims, who hide behind civilians and UN workers? Where was the outrage then?

339 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:10:40am

Iran's Strategy Is Crudely Obvious--So Why Can't We Fight It?

The tirades of the Angry Left to the contrary, our leaders are not stupid or incompetent. If the rest of us can figure out the Iranian strategy and see through Iran's tricks, so can they. But something is neutralizing their knowledge. Something is preventing them from turning that knowledge into corresponding action.

Part of what is crippling Western leaders is the sacrifice-worship of the altruist morality, which programs them, in response to human suffering, to suspend thinking and react emotionally. Natan Sharansky recounts a discussion he had with former president Jimmy Carter about why the Palestinian-Israeli "peace process" kept failing. Carter responded, "You know, you are right, but don't try to be too rational about these things. The moment you see people suffering, you should feel solidarity with them and try to help them without thinking too much about the reasons."

But even more insidious is a kind of cognitive altruism that tells men to sacrifice, not just their interests, but their judgment, subordinating their knowledge to the opinions and prejudices of others. That is what seems to be operating here. Whatever Secretary Rice knows about the Iranians' strategy is discarded the moment lurid images of civilian casualties are splashed across the front pages of European newspapers and the broadcasts of Arab television stations. Just as, in this self-abnegating morality, you have to consider the interests of everyone except yourself--so, in this morality of cognitive self-abnegation, you have to consider everyone's opinion except your own. Thus, faced with the united force of "world opinion," the formerly "tough-minded" Secretary of State was flustered into an ignominious surrender of American interests.

This is a strange kind of war, in which we have more than enough military capability to crush the enemy's "lousy army." Nor do we lack the intellectual power to understand and counteract the enemy's strategy. But we lack the moral confidence to use both our power and our knowledge.

But in the life-and-death struggle with totalitarian Islam, there is no room for Western self-abnegation. On the contrary, what we need is a proud, righteous self-assertion, the unapologetic pursuit of America's and Israel's vital interests, unbowed by appeals to pity or to "world opinion."

340 hans ze beeman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:10:43am

...as to climate change, I found this interesting bit:

Our major conclusion of the situation is that we are facing a crisis of credibility of climate change studies in the US political arena. In the US, one group, favouring action, is manly interested in evidence not necessarily bound by good quality but which supports their political agenda of regulation, whereas the other group, reluctant to regulatory action, is voicing concern about the ongoing ability of science to be an "impartial, objective" advisor (to the extent possible).

341 EC Marm  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:10:45am

#324 so.cal.swede 8/1/2006 01:00PM PDT
The ice caps on Mars have been receding for a few years now. How did we do that?
Link me please!

Per request:
The receding ice caps on Mars hint at a climatic warming trend. If the caps melted, Smith said, they would cover the planet to a depth of 29.5 feet (9 meters). If concentrated in one place like the northern plains, "that would make a modest-sized ocean."


[Link: www.space.com...]

342 Sarah D.  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:11:57am

#331 galloping granny

Ah, okay. Thanks.

343 norar  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:13:44am

#209 JustMyView

To support a just cause that entails suffering and death is one thing. To dismiss that death and suffering is, well, . . . .

... cynically used to obfuscate the justice of the cause, is another, and we would not want this Hisbullah propaganda trick get the legitmacy it does not deserve. Right?

#300 zulubaby

Now how will they blame this on the Jews?


Don't you know that if not for Jews and Israel, Arabs would never ever kill each other.

344 so.cal.swede  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:14:04am

#338 nycat

It's easier to be angry at someone who won't lop yer head off at the shoulders, that's why.

345 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:15:39am

#323 hans:

In the 1970s, the Ice Age was coming.


It didn't happen, of course, and for that, you can thank Tumak and Loana.

346 pointed stick  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:16:07am

#332 loppyd
shhhhhhh....

347 EE  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:16:14am

I disagree with the notion that speculating on what President George Bush would do is the same as speculating on what the terrorist death-cult Hizballah would do. The people being considered are not the same, they do not have the same character, and what they are likely to do is in no way the same.

It is worthwhile to note suspicious things about the story that Hizballah is giving out concerning the events at Qana, because there is some possibility that by doing this their modus operandi will be uncovered. And terrorists do not operate according to the rules of war.

348 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:16:17am
349 so.cal.swede  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:17:13am

#341 EC Marm

Perfect! This is gonna burn like habaneros when i stuff it down my friend's throat.

350 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:17:28am
351 J.D.  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:17:41am

#339 Kragar
There's no denying they have made inroads with respect to the plan.
Terror's playbook

Al Qaeda manual is a blueprint for hate that reveals a sinister plot to invade & conquer

352 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:17:57am

#338 nycat Where was the outrage then?

Exactly! If we are going to have outrage over horrific events, then it needs to be over real horrific events rather than staged ones and over all horrific events, not jut the ones perpetrated against rather than by muslims.

353 hans ze beeman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:18:01am

#334: Occasional Reader

Some women do need large cars though, and certainly an automatic :)

354 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:18:10am
Netanyahu: Israel Must Finish the Job Finish the job. That is the goal set by the government. It's the goal that everyone here supports," he said.


[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

355 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:18:27am

#323 hans,

In the 1970s, the Ice Age was coming. Then the ozone hole was going to destroy life as we know it. Then it was global warming, and that has rapidly morphed into global climate change. It is very difficult to keep up with the changing threats we face. If I didn't know better, I would think someone was making these things up. OK. I would like to get in on this. I will make a prediction right now. The next greatest threat to life on earth will be global climate stagnation. It is enough to make one's blood run cold. Or warm. Or change a bit, one way or the other. Or stay the same temperature.

I'm still waiting for Al Gore or any of the other chicken littles to put their money where their mouth is and take that bet the Russian scientists made some months back betting $10,000 the world was actually in the midst of cooling.

Bet on Global Warming

If figured Al with his millions financed on the backs of the poor would have jumped at the chance for easy money...

356 descolada9  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:18:50am

Okay, we here at LGF know that the whole Qana thing was a set-up and a pack of lies, but unless people like Olmert and Bush and Blair come forward with the evidence and pound the desk in condemnation, then the truth will be buried and whitewashed. The MSM, those disgusting freaks who seem to have a love affair with anarchy and destruction, will never tell the truth.

This time we CANNOT wait for the historians to analyze things decades from now. The truth needs to be disseminated now.

...nah, ain't gonna hold my breath...

357 bweep  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:19:17am

This will be a classic piece of arabist propaganda. Channel 4 Dispatches : What Muslims Want.

358 zulubaby  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:20:04am
Australian government donates 300,000 dollars to MDA

This does my heart good. All I've seen is how this government and that is sending gazillions of dollars of aid to Lebanon.

359 TotallySirius  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:20:20am

#340 hans

The ice caps on Mars have a very high percentage of solid carbon dioxide(dry ice for those in Rio Linda) which, as we know, doesn't go to a liquid state...it sublimes directly to gas.

Damn,I guess that shoots down the Martian ocean scenario.

As to why the Martian ice caps are melting....solar output is 4% higher than normal.

This might also explain why the Earth is experiencing abnormal weather(but you'll never hear Algore admit this,he says solar warming is just a theory...ironic eh?)

question for the all knowing oracle of Tennessee:

If we're experiencing the highest temps ever on Earth then why are there dinosaur fossils in Antarctica?

and why are there palm tree fossils on Ellsmere Island?

360 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:20:45am
361 journeyscarab  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:20:51am

OT Where did the term "Lizzard" come from in reference to us here at LGF?

Pardon my ignorance.

362 JustMyView  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:22:24am

galloping granny

I have been one of the many people tracking this down over the last couple of days. My background is in medicine. When you see a picture of a body "killed in the building collapse" an hour or so ago and that body exhibits things like arms frozen straight in the air, that is a medical event called rigor mortis. Simply put, that body died 12-24 hours+ ago, not 60 minutes ago.

Your background may be in medicine, but you haven't had the opportunity to collect data that the CSI types do. Moreover, you don't seem to have paid much attention to basic facts that are accepted by all observers, including the IDF and the Israeli ambassadors who have given accounts of (and apologized for) what happened.

In fact, the published accounts indicate that hours went by before those bodies were taken out. The bombings occurred around 1 AM. No help reached the village to begin pulling people out until much later. See the stories I linked to above.

From Wikipedia:

Assuming mild temperatures, rigour usually sets in about 3-4 hours after clinical death, with full rigour being in effect at about 12 hours, and eventually subsiding to relaxation at about 36 hours. Times for the onset of rigour mortis can vary from a few minutes to several hours depending on the temperature of the environment in which the body is found.

Rigor mortis is entirely consistent with the timeline that's been given by both the Israelis (i.e., when the bombs were dropped), the survivors, and their rescuers.

363 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:23:28am

#359 TotallySirius:

If we're experiencing the highest temps ever on Earth then why are there dinosaur fossils in Antarctica?

They got washed down there by Noah's Flood, duh.

(I mean, Antarctica is "down" on my map, so it's natural that great big dinosaur bones would float down that way)

364 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:24:05am
365 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:24:32am

Bret Stephens was the editor of the Jerusalem Post a year or so ago.

366 Aladin Sane  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:24:35am

journeyscarab

Where did the term "Lizzard" come from in reference to us here at LGF?

Click on the LGF FAQ near the top left of the page...

367 Killer Tomato  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:25:23am

#361 journeyscarab

lizardoid - a lizardoid is a devoted follower of and commenter on Little Green Footballs; it can refer to either gender.

lizardette - a female lizardoid. Used infrequently.

Further exploration of the "lizard" references can be found on the LGF FAQ.

368 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:25:36am

Flash Flooding in Doña Ana County, New Mexico and El Paso County, Texas.

369 SwampWoman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:26:00am

#359 totally sirius

If we're experiencing the highest temps ever on Earth then why are there dinosaur fossils in Antarctica?

And why aren't there dinosaur fossils in Florida?

370 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:26:22am

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

Can I take my hands away from my eyes now?

371 SwampWoman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:27:08am

#368 Ed

Oh, Ed, not El Paso County.

372 Aladin Sane  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:27:16am

Killer Tomato

Let's hope #361 doesn't ask where the term "Virginian" comes from...

373 TotallySirius  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:27:20am

If it was so damned hard for rescue workers to get to Qana that it took them 7 hours,then how did reporters get to the scene within an hour of the Lebanese/Hizbullshit news release?

Seems like a rather limp excuse IMO.

374 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:27:39am

#361 journeyscarab--

See here, in particular post #13 by Yours Truly, in which I conclusively prove that it was MEMEME IT'S ALL ABOUT ME who laid the seed of the "lizard" meme.

375 SwampWoman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:28:17am

#370 formercorpman

Can I take my hands away from my eyes now?

Oh, yeah, you need them to cover tender anotomical areas.

376 EE  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:28:19am

#362
The presence of extreme rigor mortis is not inconsistent with other scenarios of what happened. If Hizballah had placed bodies there to add to the number of dead there, which seems consistent with the alleged presence of a refrigerated truck that arrived, that would be consistent with the extreme rigor mortis that appeared. It's not just the advent of rigor mortis or not; the extreme rigor mortis that was apparent needs some explanation.

377 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:29:42am
378 TotallySirius  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:30:04am

#372 Aladin

Virginia=virgin land

379 EC Marm  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:30:27am

#358 zulubaby 8/1/2006 01:20PM PDT
Australian government donates 300,000 dollars to MDA

I'll bet they saw your link here! Maybe ya spos?

380 Killer Tomato  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:30:30am

#372 Aladin!

LOL
How you been? Hate to say hey and run, but I'm late for a meeting.... Hope to see you 'round sometime soon!

381 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:32:18am

CNN BREAKING....GROUND TROOPS IN BAALBECK.....................

Israeli forces are operating in Baalbeck area, northeast Lebanon -- about 50 miles from Lebanese capital, Beirut, and near border with Syria.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

382 Aladin Sane  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:33:20am

#380 Killer Tomato

I've been good. Nice to see you!

383 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:33:34am

"Baalbeck"? Now that's a hell of name.

384 EC Marm  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:33:59am

#359 TotallySirius

Why is coal, which needs tropical conditions to be created, found on every continent on the planet?

385 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:34:24am

#368 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

Now you're hitting close to home!

Thanks Ed!

386 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:34:49am

Where else can you read about rigor mortis, head choppers, and global warming - all in the same 100 posts. Is LGF great or what?

Reminds me of an MCAT passage I took several months back concern "rigor complexes" and the action of actin and myosin. Only it was about frogs and whether they sweat or was it simply evaporation. By the time I read the passage, I was contemplating returning to corporate America or sacking groceries.

So you guys are the ones who make those passages up, huh?

387 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:34:59am
Fjordman: Superman, Harry Potter and the War Against Jihad

Speaking superhero sagas I'm not digging the new Joker.

I just don't see it. Vince Vaughn would have been my choice.

388 journeyscarab  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:35:12am

#374 Occasional Reader, #367 Killer Tomato, #366 Aladin Sane

Thanks ALL! I wondered why I was growing a scalely tail.

389 zulubaby  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:36:15am

storagemanager (#354)

Thanks for that link.

Netanyahu says Hezbollah wouldn't last two days without Iran, three days without Syria.

Now what? :-/

390 hans ze beeman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:36:29am

#381: storemanager

near border with Syria.

Are you watching, Assad?

391 TotallySirius  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:36:39am

#384 EC

Its an evil conservative conspiracy to silence the true worshippers of the global warming religion.

392 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:36:46am

#362 -

On my way to the pool but very quickly, you're not exactly correct.

The building is claimed to have collapsed shortly before the RedX and reporters showed up, not at 1-1:30 am when the building was bombed. (The hit was beside the building, BTW.)

"Begins to set in" is not the same as full rigor mortis. Rigor is a process that appears and dissipates over time. That spectrum of time is pretty well established and commonly used to help determine exactly when someone died. Look at the pictures again. There is at least one that shows an arm pointing straight up in the air, many others with similar "frozen" poses. That is full rigor. 12-24 hours.

Even if all these people were killed in the initial strike (which appears not to have hit the building at all) rather than died when the building collapsed some 6-7 or so hours later, you are talking about approximately 7 hours, just about half the usual minimum time to see this kind of effect.

Sorry, this one just doesn't fly. Doesn't past the credibility test.

393 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:36:48am

Sean Hannity just said IDF in Baalbeck.

394 Sarah D.  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:37:19am

From Northern Israel -


Where I am, everything is quiet.

As close as we are to Lebanon -- at this moment -- while the sounds of war can be heard, they are all very faint and very distant.

Israel television has announced that 6 separate units, each consisting of 1000 soldiers (mostly infantry), is now in South Lebanon and in heavy combat. Most of them, as I had predicted this morning, are in the the Kiryat Shemona area.

I had posted earlier that the bombing halt will end at midnight. I was wrong -- it will continue two hours longer than that. Hizbollah will undoubtedly resume firing katyushas, but if its past tactics are any indication, this won't start until sun up.

A silent night is not always a holy night.

395 Spiritualized  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:37:47am
Channel 4 News presenter Jon Snow tackles one of the most difficult and controversial questions facing our country today: to what extent do Muslims in Britain pose a threat to this country and its values

?

Since it's Channel 4 and the pro-terrorist scumbag Jon Snow in particular, it'll be an hour of anti-Israel garbage.

396 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:38:27am
#381: storemanager

near border with Syria.

Are you watching, Assad?



His head is gona pop..lol

397 Catttt  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:40:40am

OT

How many ‘lone' individuals will have to open fire in how many American cities before the authorities abandon the reflex to assert that these are ‘lone' individuals or isolated incidents and open their eyes to the possibility that they are part of a war in which understanding the enemy is a prerequisite for victory?

Indeed.

From an editorial in The New York Sun, dateline today: [Link: www.nysun.com...]

398 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:43:11am

Powerful stuff on Sean Hannity right now

399 zombie  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:43:12am

In case anybody's interested:

I added some more video clips to yesterday's movie review of Valley of the Wolves Iraq, for you viewing pleasure.

400 EE  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:43:23am

New fighting involving ground forces
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

401 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:44:39am

Ex-Hostage of the Hezbos.....and what he went thru.

402 Liz Ard  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:45:04am

where is Charles Johnson?

403 JustMyView  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:45:26am

#287 wargammer2005

so the reports of Israel calling people on the phone, dropping leaflsts, ect saying that the need to leave the area are what?

if israel and others do nothing to stop the terrorist so this just keeps happening, the dead died for no purpose

is this what you want?
for this to go on and on and on and on?

or do you think if Israel just stoped shooting and let the terrorist win that would be better?

The issue of prior notification is irrelevant to my post. I was arguing against the poorly justified claims presented here that these deaths did not, in fact, occur as a physical (if not political) result of Israeli bombing. It happened. The Israelis have acknowledged publicly, and repeatedly, that it occurred.

It's reasonable to argue that it was justified in terms of obtaining a higher good, but to argue that it didn't happen just seems absurd.

As to why they didn't leave: The people in that basement ranged in age from newborn to 90. There were two people in wheelchairs. There were other small children. They were afraid of being killed on the road. They didn't have cars. There are lots of reasons. It would have been better if they had left, but, for a complex set of reasons that you may or may not see as reasonable, they didn't.

I'm not opposed to the Israeli cause. I might be convinced that these deaths, however tragic, are simply what happens whenever there is war. But to say that these deaths didn't occur or that the people deserved them because they didn't leave (which has been said on LGF) is, once again, deplorable.

Be as noble ad Gillerman and Ayalon and say,
"We are sorry for their suffering and their loss." Is that really so tough?

404 amir  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:45:52am

Israel's channel 2 anakyst Ehud Yaari says Israeli forces have landed deep in Lebanon, but he has no more details.
Is this
1 - rescue attempt of Israeli hostages
2 - attempt to capture/kill Nasrallah
3 - bogus report
4 - other

405 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:46:51am
406 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:47:20am
407 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:48:21am

Gr

eece: Tear gas fired at anti-Israel protesters
Police fired tear gas at demonstrators who attempted to put up pictures of wounded Lebanese civilians at a Holocaust memorial in this northern Greek city, authorities said.
The incident occurred late Tuesday as about 500 protesters from a Communist-backed trade union marched to protest Israel's bombardment of Lebanon.

A group of protesters challenged police at the memorial site and were pushed back when police responded with tear gas and pepper spray. No one was arrested and there were no reports of injuries.

In Athens, a small demonstration Tuesday at the Israeli Embassy ended peacefully.

March to Iran...They are the cause! [Link: www.jpost.com...]

408 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:50:04am

NHC official 5 day forecast has a 65 mph tropical storm halfway between Miami and Havana, heading in the general direction of Texas and Louisiana!

409 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:50:04am

JustmyView,

"We are sorry for their suffering and their loss." Is that really so tough?

They have. Numerous times including the Israeli Ambassador to the U.N. on the O'Reilly show last night.

How long you want them to grovel? Whether a setup, tragedy, or both it should have been apparent by now Israel did not intend for innocents to be killed. Sure can't say the same of their opponents.

410 Catttt  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:50:30am

OT

Debbie Schlussel just finished explaining why the "lone gunman" theory is wrong wrong wrong to Cavuto on Fox. She listed a number of recent "lone gunmen" events of Muslim violence against Jews (including a cold-blooded homicide in a movie theatre that happened about 10 minutes from where I am right now).

411 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:51:10am
412 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:52:07am
406 American Infidel 8/1/2006 01:47PM PDT
#398 storagemanager

Welll telll usss...



Ex-Hostage...who was beaten by the Hezbos...saw friends die....says America must stop Iran....Talked about how the Hezbos told him you dead...but his friend passed out and in the confusion they forgot to shoot him....lucky day.

413 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:52:11am

JustMy View from ireland.


Who is at fault if the allegations that hezb'Allah brough disabled children into a building that they were firing rockets from, knowing that Israel would return fire?

Is it still Israel's fault?

414 zulubaby  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:52:18am

EC Marm (#379)

I only wish I were that influential :-)

415 ColoradoJim  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:52:26am

#359 TotallySirius:

If we're experiencing the highest temps ever on Earth then why are there dinosaur fossils in Antarctica?

and why are there palm tree fossils on Ellsmere Island?

When the dinosaurs and palm trees were alive, Antarctica and Ellsmere Island were probably part of Pangea or Gowndanaland - the ancient super-continent. It was a primarily equatorial continent which broke up under plate tectonic forces. The parts drifted about the earth, placing exotic terrains and fossil deposits in seemingly unlikely places.

That being said, I do not think there is anywhere near enough scientific data to support alGore's BS. The current climate models have enormous difficulty in predicting the next el Nino/la Nina event, let alone long-term climate events. With all the greenhouse gas hoopla going on, why is nobody talking about changes in the average solar output?

416 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:52:32am
417 sunny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:52:38am

#397 Catttt

No one will accept it until the events are close together and a larger group claims it.

These events mentioned are significant, but its obvious Americans need a big slap in the face, not a jab every couple of years.

/No I don't think people dying is a jab, so no over the top attacks from the wolves

418 pegcity  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:52:59am

Break.com posted the Pallywood video, i love that site, they are very pro Military.

Good for them getting it out to a wider audience

419 zulubaby  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:53:09am

Three soldiers killed :-(

420 Daisy  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:53:24am

#377 American Infidel

The collective (un)/consciousness displays itself in extraordinary ways. My bet is that the return of the Superheros is just as you say .. an expression of our vulnerability. And it's also an expression of a budding awareness that the popular animated movie, "The Incredibles" managed to convey so effectively: If all human efforts are applauded equally; if moral equivalence rules the day - then what sort of world do we create and inhabit ?
We are being called upon to supersede our current complacency - to cultivate higher values and an ability to withstand the truth of matters and address what needs to be addressed ... or else.
It seems to me a positive sign that Superman's come back to kick Lex Luther's you know what! (and the fact that the Hollywood wimps who produced the movie had the Daily Planet's chief editor Perry White command his reporters to cover "truth, justice and .. all that 'stuff' reflects truthfully on the moonbat dilemma .. however, even they couldn't wreck Superman!)
What do you think?

421 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:54:55am

Here's today's laffer headline:

Cuba imposes normalcy in Castro's ailment

Only in Cuba can "normalcy" be imposed.

422 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:55:20am

Has Israel actually agreed to a time-line? I keep hearing this but am trying my best not to believe it.

What is up with the leaders of the free world? Have they gone totally stupid? I say tell Israel to take as long as you need. Israel needs to tell the politicians, "Yeah, will pull back. Right after hell freezes over."

423 zulubaby  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:56:16am
"We are sorry for their suffering and their loss."

Have any of them, ever, said as much to us?

Again, the Jews are held to a different standard than the rest of the world, including cold-blooded terrorists.

424 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:56:58am

Yes, El Paso area receiving flooding rains.

425 TotallySirius  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:57:22am

#415 Colorado

I understand plate tectonics and frankly it in no way explains this phenomena.

Antarctica has always been near the south pole and Ellsmere Island has always been in the arctic.

At least every map of tectonic drift that I've ever seen shows this (scroll down to animated pangaea break up)

426 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 11:57:57am

OT- Houston area- Amber Alert- 3 year old girl in 'grave danger'.