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Wire Services Defend Staged Photos

Tue, Aug 1, 2006 at 2:00:40 pm PDT

The news wire services are circling the wagons around their propaganda photos from Qana: News agencies stand by Lebanon photos.

NEW YORK - Three news agencies on Tuesday rejected challenges to the veracity of photographs of bodies taken in the aftermath of an Israeli airstrike in Lebanon, strongly denying that the images were staged.

Photographers from The Associated Press, Reuters and Agence France-Presse all covered rescue operations Sunday in Qana, where 56 Lebanese were killed. Many of their photos depicted rescue workers carrying dead children.

A British Web site, the EU Referendum blog, built an argument that chicanery may have been involved by citing time stamps that went with captions of the photographs.

For example, the Web site draws attention to a photo by AP’s Lefteris Pitarakis time stamped 7:21 a.m., showing a dead girl in an ambulance. Another picture, stamped 10:25 a.m. and taken by AP’s Mohammed Zaatari, shows the same girl being loaded onto the ambulance. In a third, by AP photographer Nasser Nasser and stamped 10:44 a.m., a rescue worker carries the girl with no ambulance nearby.

The site suggests these events were staged for effect, a criticism echoed by talk show host Rush Limbaugh when he directed listeners to the blog on Monday.

“These photographers are obviously willing to participate in propaganda,” Limbaugh said. “They know exactly what’s being done, all these photos, bringing the bodies out of the rubble, posing them for the cameras, it’s all staged. Every bit of it is staged and the still photographers know it.”

The AP said information from its photo editors showed the events were not staged, and that the time stamps could be misleading for several reasons, including that web sites can use such stamps to show when pictures are posted, not taken. An AFP executive said he was stunned to be questioned about it. Reuters, in a statement, said it categorically rejects any such suggestion.

These are just the first cracks in the facade.

UPDATE at 8/1/06 3:02:32 pm:

If the wire services truly want to settle the timing issue, all they need to do is release the actual timestamps from when the photographs were taken. Digital cameras automatically record this information in the photograph itself, so it would be a simple matter for the wires to provide it.

Will they? Or are we simply supposed to take their word for it?

UPDATE at 8/1/06 4:30:31 pm:

For me, by the way, the timing issue is actually not the most damning thing about the photos, or the thing that most convinces me they were staged. It’s appallingly clear when you examine all the photos that children’s bodies were posed deliberately for photo ops, and that the Green Helmet Guy was doing this for quite a long time, in several different locations often with the same body.

It’s one of the most repellent exhibitions of blatant, in your face, inhumanly calloused propaganda I’ve seen in quite a few years of exposure to the stuff.

In this post, EU Referendum collects some of the most questionable pictures and examines them without regard to their timestamps—and there is obviously very good reason for suspicion.

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1 Ward Cleaver  8/01/06 12:01:46 pm reply quote

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Beware the blogosphere!

2 Ward Cleaver  8/01/06 12:02:08 pm reply quote

And first, too.

/ducking under table

3 zombie  8/01/06 12:02:12 pm reply quote

The fact that they're even aware they are being debunked is a good sign for our side.

4 Ward Cleaver  8/01/06 12:02:28 pm reply quote

(echo, echo, echo)

5 SwampWoman  8/01/06 12:02:46 pm reply quote

"Stunned" and "categorically rejects", huh?

Sounds like they're not accustomed to being fact checked.

6 pegcity  8/01/06 12:02:55 pm reply quote

mother fucking Goebbels pieces of shit

7 The Other Les  8/01/06 12:03:00 pm reply quote

Sick, as usual.

8 Ward Cleaver  8/01/06 12:04:19 pm reply quote

LGF fact checks your ass, MSM.

Get used to it. This is the new paradigm.

/ah, there's nothing like corporate buzzwords

9 Liz Ard  8/01/06 12:04:40 pm reply quote

Stunned, I say. Stunned.

I categorically reject truth !

/msm

10 hepcat  8/01/06 12:05:18 pm reply quote

Time stamps!

11 zombie  8/01/06 12:05:18 pm reply quote
An AFP executive said he was stunned to be questioned about it.

You better start getting used to being "stunned," monsieur. You ain't seen nothin' yet. Your days of media monopoly are over, and your effortlessly conducted lies will henceforth not be so effortless any more.

12 blue_like_jazz  8/01/06 12:05:28 pm reply quote

go, bloggies, go!

everyone say a little prayer of thanks for those who tell the truth!

13 sunny  8/01/06 12:05:32 pm reply quote

Ok, so show the original timestamps if that is the issue. If the timestamps are those of a posting time and not the actual time the picture was taken, just show it.

Nothing better than facts to direct the arguement rather than simply rejecting the accusation.

14 # 17  8/01/06 12:05:50 pm reply quote

If they were smart, they would have ignored the evidence and not responded. The vast majority of people would never hear that the photos are staged and propaganda. Hopefully, they will continue to protest their innocence, which will keep the story live, and ultimately prove to be their undoing.

15 Liz Ard  8/01/06 12:05:53 pm reply quote

OT: Robert Reich (econoweasel) is a true apologist for the forces of the left.

/no links - do your own DD

16 WrathofG-d  8/01/06 12:06:19 pm reply quote

eh chem...to quote the thread below:

The Red Cross published that 28 corpses were evacuated from Qana, 19 of which were children. The report clashes with the Lebanese report that 57 people were killed.

17 TotallySirius  8/01/06 12:06:26 pm reply quote

Fake but accurate?

Bwa hahahahaha

18 Liz Ard  8/01/06 12:06:26 pm reply quote

#17

#17

is this redundant ?

19 NY Nana  8/01/06 12:06:32 pm reply quote

#3 Zombie

The fact that they're even aware they are being debunked is a good sign for our side.

Exactly, and looking at which 'news agancies' are doing the kvetching? Reminds me of the Mel Gibson denial...and then the admisssion that he was DUI, with no mention of his Jew hate, followed by today's mealy-mouthed admission that what he said was could be seen as Jew hate...

20 dave  8/01/06 12:06:40 pm reply quote

All I have to say is chicanery!

21 ploome hineni  8/01/06 12:06:45 pm reply quote

..I am absolutely thrilled

22 blue_like_jazz  8/01/06 12:06:47 pm reply quote

and, well... we CATEGORICALLY REJECT you reuters pieces of sh*t.

23 chemicalcorpse  8/01/06 12:07:22 pm reply quote

One of the other blogs went into detail talking about the lack of concrete dust on most of the 'rescue workers' and 'victims'...

When 500lbs of HE flattens a building, you're going to have a few lacerations and be covered in blood caked concrete dust... many of the victims were relatively clean and actually gave the appearance of rigor mortis...

sorry goat fuckers

24 Liz Ard  8/01/06 12:07:27 pm reply quote

I meant #14 #17 or #17 #14 but not #18 #17 whatever.

You got it.

25 RedPepper  8/01/06 12:07:58 pm reply quote

"I am shocked, shocked ..."

Oh, STFU, already ...

26 Ward Cleaver  8/01/06 12:08:02 pm reply quote

Charles, everybody:

Notice that so far, they're only talking about the time stamps on the photos, which they can say (rightly) are not foolproof.

BUT, they're not talking about Green Helmet Guy and his costume changes, yet. It's Rathergate, all over again.

It'll all come out, dribble, dribble. As usual.

27 zombie  8/01/06 12:08:03 pm reply quote

This is pretty appropriate for this thread:

Day of the Longtail

A YouTube video. A satirical faux-movie preview that references the takedown of Dan Rather by the blogs, and is on the topic of the audience not being passive any more. Worth a look!

28 tigger2005  8/01/06 12:08:52 pm reply quote

the time stamps could be misleading for several reasons, including that web sites can use such stamps to show when pictures are posted, not taken.

Huh?

Why would they stamp a photo to show the time it was posted, not the time it was taken? What would be the point to this? Any photographers out there who know if this is a common practice?

29 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  8/01/06 12:09:21 pm reply quote

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30 The Other Les  8/01/06 12:09:50 pm reply quote

"I'm shocked, shocked to find that propaganda is being generated here!"

31 hepcat  8/01/06 12:09:50 pm reply quote

News agencies stand and restand by Lebanon photos

32 NY Nana  8/01/06 12:10:27 pm reply quote

And watch, over the next few weeks, how they will obfuscate, and never really admit they are lying through their teeth, and just continuing their policy of veiled and now more and more blatant Jew hate, using Israel as their excuse.

33 NiceLass  8/01/06 12:11:03 pm reply quote
These are just the first cracks in the facade.

Well they've got some pretty thick facades. Unfortunately for me, the euroweenies won't take the word of conservative talk show hosts or (*gasp*) blogs, so until one of the msm outright admits it, they only laugh and start with the "hatemonger" remarks.

*sigh*

34 Tasty_Beverage  8/01/06 12:11:09 pm reply quote

The issue for me was not the timestamps. Forget the timestamps. It was the fact that the "rescue workers" were holding bodies up for the cameras, and the photographers accomodated this behavior. That is the definition of staging. Actual professional rescue workers (or maybe just normal humans) just go about their business and show respect for the dead, they don't hold up body parts and howl for the cameras. And the photographers are complicit in the staging by going along with it.

35 mean Gene  8/01/06 12:11:19 pm reply quote

So, of all these three great photographers, did any one of them see the clean pacifier being put on the dusty baby?

No?

What about how the clean rescue workers managed to get the filthy baby out of the ruins without getting dirty?

No?

Did any of them see the other bodies (the clean bodies) get cleaned?

No?

Did these photographers see anything they weren't told to see?

36 EvilPundit  8/01/06 12:12:23 pm reply quote

The linked story has a discussion thread attached (click "Discuss" to see it).

It might be good to put a few comments there, since it's dominated by lefties.

You'd need to register with Yahoo first, but that isn't difficult.

38 goodbye_natalie  8/01/06 12:13:31 pm reply quote

In doing a little research, it appears to me that all of Lebanon and Palestine should be considered Israel as dictated by law unless you are a Canaanite, a Hittite, a Hivite, a Perizzite, a Girgashite, an Amorite, or a Jebusite.

And if you are a a Canaanite, a Hittite, a Hivite, a Perizzite, a Girgashite, an Amorite, or a Jebusite, you can file your complaint with God. The same one that rejected your first complaint 3,200 years ago.

So, the way I see it, Lebanon and Palestine are internal matters of Israeli law and none of the rest of the world's business.

Carry on Israel...

39 scaramouche  8/01/06 12:15:04 pm reply quote

The Islamo-Nazis are like violin prodigies, and the media are their well-tuned Stadivarius.

40 limhk  8/01/06 12:15:14 pm reply quote

The first thing I would demand of the various agencies, if they are so confident of the integrity of their photographers, is that they release all the pictures taken that day. Upload all they pictures, categorized by photographer (or camera, if the photographer happens to carry more than one camera) and in chronological order. This will make is far easier to piece together the sequence of events and show whether there are any staged photos.

All these photos must, of course, be uncropped.

In the old days, they can claim it is not possible, but now it is simply a matter of downsizing the photos and putting them on the web. Hell, I'll be willing to cover the bandwidth costs (via subscription, say) if that is a concern.

lhk

41 journeyscarab  8/01/06 12:15:54 pm reply quote

I think we can declare shenanigans South Park style on the Hezbos and their MSM helpers.

42 TimK  8/01/06 12:17:01 pm reply quote

Calling Dan Rather! Calling Dan Rather!
Hey Dan, these guys need your help in explaining accurate but forged. Do your best for them would you?

43 BabbaZee  8/01/06 12:17:24 pm reply quote

O/T

Post and run - Write a letter to an Israeli soldier:

From the Republican Jewish Coalition:

With violence escalating in the Middle East, it is essential that the Republican Jewish community show its solidarity with Israel. Show your support for Israel by joining the RJC’s letter writing campaign.

In the fight against Hezbollah, Israeli families have been torn apart and the Israeli military has suffered heavy casualties. You can help boost morale by writing a letter to a soldier, offering your support and sharing your feelings. A mission participant will hand-deliver your letter to an Israeli soldier while on the RJC Leadership Mission to Israel next week.

We've already had tremendous support. Please submit your letter by Friday, August 4th to letters@rjchq.org and make this an outstanding effort. Show Israel that the United States is a friend and ally. Tell a soldier you believe freedom is worth fighting for.

Sincerely,

Matthew Brooks
Executive Director
[Link: www.rjchq.org...]

44 Jetpilot1101  8/01/06 12:17:32 pm reply quote

I guess the MSM still thinks the vast majority of the folks are STUPID. Unfortunately for them, I think folks are starting to wake up.

We are not going to be spoonfed their crap anymore! The blogosphere has a brain and is a force to be reckoned with!

Al Reuters and the rest of the MSM better take notice, their house of cards is beginning to fall!

GO IDF!
GO ISRAEL!
KICK SOME HEZBO ARSE!

45 Ward Cleaver  8/01/06 12:17:43 pm reply quote

#38 goodbye_natalie

Amen to that, brother. I've been thinking lately they should just keep Lebanon. Who needs Gaza and the West Bank, when you've got Lebanon?

46 Catttt  8/01/06 12:19:20 pm reply quote
An AFP executive said he was stunned to be questioned about it.

Oh, is he? Well, he'd better either get used to being questioned or start vetting his stringers' results more carefully, because this is no longer the 20th century, and fact-checking R Us, from now on. The MSM's lies (whether intentional or not) are sloppy and transparent, because they just assume we will not question them.

The MSM has been twisting the facts forever, and as long as people blindly believe in their veracity, they will continue to do so.

Thank God for the 'net, talk radio, and Fox News (which picks up these things and broadcasts them when virtually no one else does).

47 aishel  8/01/06 12:19:30 pm reply quote

First Rathergate, now Qanagate!

48 tigger2005  8/01/06 12:20:01 pm reply quote

Reposting this question, I would really like to know. Anyone out there who knows whether it really is common practice for news photos to be timestamped by time of posting rather than time of taking? I don't think we should just take their word for it.

the time stamps could be misleading for several reasons, including that web sites can use such stamps to show when pictures are posted, not taken.

Huh?

Why would they stamp a photo to show the time it was posted, not the time it was taken? What would be the point to this? Any photographers out there who know if this is a common practice?

49 Ward Cleaver  8/01/06 12:20:06 pm reply quote

#42 TimK

Don't worry. Now that Dan is with HDNet, he can do an hour-long, uncensored (his words, not mine) program on it, in hiiiiigh definition.

/hey, wake up

50 Bill Jefferson  8/01/06 12:20:10 pm reply quote

Any comment on the miraculously clean blue binky? Only sick people would pose their own dead children that way. Only sick people would pose anyone's dead children that way.

From the article:

Carroll said in addition to personally speaking with photo editors, "I also know from 30 years of experience in this business that you can't get competitive journalists to participate in the kind of (staging) experience that is being described."

Yeah. Uh-huh.of

51 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  8/01/06 12:21:28 pm reply quote

Ahmadinejad: Throw Britain and U.S. off Security Council

[Link: today.reuters.co.uk...]

TEHRAN (Reuters) - The United States and Britain are responsible for Israel's killing of civilians in Lebanon and should not be trusted with seats on the U.N. Security Council, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Tuesday.

Israeli forces launched a massive offensive against Lebanon after Hizbollah kidnapped two of its soldiers in a cross-border raid on July 12. Most of the victims of the conflict have been Lebanese civilians.

Iran regularly blames Britain, as a creator of Israel, and the United States, as the state that bankrolls and protects it, for deaths in conflicts in the Middle East.

"They are not competent to be members of the Security Council or to have the power of veto ... They are criminals and should be put on trial," Ahmadinejad told a crowd in the northeastern town of Bojnurd.

Iran has accused the U.N. Security Council of acting illegally by demanding that Iran end its nuclear work or face the threat of sanctions. The West says it believes Iran is planning to build atomic warheads, a charge Tehran denies.

52 TotallySirius  8/01/06 12:22:35 pm reply quote

#41 journey

Rabble

rabble

rabble

Now,where's that broom?

53 Ward Cleaver  8/01/06 12:22:39 pm reply quote

#46 Catttt

And pray the Dems don't win back control of Congress, as they'd loooooove to bring back the Fairness Doctrine to shut down talk radio, and Web laws to squash the blogosphere.

54 buzzsawmonkey  8/01/06 12:22:47 pm reply quote
An AFP executive said he was stunned to be questioned about it.

And Reza was offended.

55 Beagle  8/01/06 12:23:07 pm reply quote

I notice the article does nothing to explain why the same guy shows up to ghoulishly wave the bodies. Nothing about the inconsistencies with the Hizb'Allah story and the apparent facts. They know they've been caught. It's another Dan Rather. Pour on more gasoline and get more matches.

56 RedWhiteAndJew  8/01/06 12:23:19 pm reply quote

What a suprisy-prize-prize. The soulless ghouls of HezzBolus know that pictures of dead children will tear at the heart strings of the non-muslim world. They and their ilk have no such sensitivity, but they can sure play us.

(Well, some of us, anyway...)

Excerpt from HezzBolus playbook

Remember, always suffocate the children to be presented as victims of the Zionist entity or Great Satan before allowing the lapdog media to film them. Ensure that any members of the lapdog media who do photograph or film such preparations become tragic victims of the "massacre" as well.

I don't know what motivates western media's willing participation, but I suspect institutional and personal anti-Semitism, not to mention a hefty dose of general self-loathing, are high up on the ingredient list.

57 The Duke  8/01/06 12:23:35 pm reply quote

A lying Asshole Speaks ..(i.e. Juan Cole breaks Wind online again )

Just saw this over at Coles loonyvile http://www.juancole.com/...Totally disgusting ...

Here's Loony

Israeli cabinet rejects masive reliance on troops.

The Israeli war with Hizbullah is going badly for the Israelis. Some generals think the problem is too few troops. But the Israeli cabinet rejected that way of thinking, Thursday, sticking to its current mixture of air power and light infantry.

Air strikes in the south will continue.

Here's Loonier

Bloomberg reports that the the Israeli assault on Lebanon may have much strengthened the hand of Shaikh Hassan Nasrullah.

And Here's Full blown Nutter

Mitch Prothero in Salon.com on the myth that Hizbullah hides among civilians.

' Throughout this now 16-day-old war, Israeli planes high above civilian areas make decisions on what to bomb. They send huge bombs capable of killing things for hundreds of meters around their targets, and then blame the inevitable civilian deaths -- the Lebanese government says 600 civilians have been killed so far -- on "terrorists" who callously use the civilian infrastructure for protection.

But this claim is almost always false. My own reporting and that of other journalists reveals that in fact Hezbollah fighters -- as opposed to the much more numerous Hezbollah political members, and the vastly more numerous Hezbollah sympathizers -- avoid civilians. Much smarter and better trained than the PLO and Hamas fighters, they know that if they mingle with civilians, they will sooner or later be betrayed by collaborators -- as so many Palestinian militants have been.

For their part, the Israelis seem to think that if they keep pounding civilians, they'll get some fighters, too. '

The Above story is pure Horseshitof course

And then This shit

A Christian Bishop in Jerusalem would get a better hearing among American Christians than would non-Christian leaders, right? Wrong.

posted by Juan @ 7/28/2006 06:32:00 AM 25

58 sms111  8/01/06 12:24:15 pm reply quote

OT

from Opinionjournal:

"The Jordan-based Arab Bank yesterday asked a federal judge in Brooklyn to dismiss a lawsuit brought by thousands of Israelis who claim the bank fueled terrorism by providing payments to the relatives of suicide bombers," the New York Sun reports:

Lawyers for the bank said that the 4,000 foreign citizens who are plaintiffs should not be allowed to have their case heard in the American court system. They argued that terrorism against Israel does not violate any "international norm." Lawyers for the bank said that some 80 countries, most Islamic or African, do not consider Palestinian Arab suicide bombers to be terrorists.

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter--that holding is binding on this court," said an attorney for the bank, Kevin Walsh of LeBoeuf, Lamb, Greene and MacRae.

Mr. Walsh, Lawyer of the Year.

59 goodbye_natalie  8/01/06 12:25:21 pm reply quote

#43 Zee,

Sorry I took so long to respond to your warranted criticism in a previous post. I did answer and hope I made myself a little clearer.

In reading my response, I agree that you were right. That didn't come out the way it was intended. Sorry about that...

60 Havoc  8/01/06 12:26:18 pm reply quote

NYT finally does something useful.

interactive demographic ethnic map of Lebanonethnic map of lebanon

61 cosmicview  8/01/06 12:27:17 pm reply quote

Get real, that's all we get from terrorist territories, does anyone think they would allow anything else. If the MSM believes that they can fool us until they admit later they had no choice like cnn did in Baghdad they are dumber than I imagined.

If one took a history of pictures from these area's the question would be, can anyone find one that isn't staged. Look at the names of who takes these pictures and that will confirm any doubt.

62 sms111  8/01/06 12:28:48 pm reply quote

CNN denied they wsere in cahoots with Saddam. Reuters, you're next.

63 Liz Ard  8/01/06 12:31:31 pm reply quote

Meantime, CNN is continuously trying to stoke the Israel-Syria front - they 're now interviewing IMAD MOUSTAPHA (Syrian Ambassador to US) and he's just spouting pro-HEzboolah BS while wolf Bliztzer is poking him to admit they're supporting hezbhollah.

/CNN sucks

64 J. Lichty  8/01/06 12:31:44 pm reply quote

Thank god for the great work that people are doing in their pajamas.

The truth can no longer hide behind some old grey lady in red, green and black.

65 American Infidel  8/01/06 12:32:05 pm reply quote

#48 tigger2005

One would think that it would be the photo that would be time stamped (versus the time it was posted online) in order to give credit to the photographer & reporter that had the scoop of the story...

66 BabbaZee  8/01/06 12:32:05 pm reply quote

59 goodbye_natalie
I knew there was no way you meant it the way it read.......
This is a difficult medium for communication
inflections and meanings do not necessarily come through properly in a "post"
Anway I am glad you posted this here I may not have seen it otherwise.

You are a good man
may Hashem bless you!


See you all tomorrow

67 sms111  8/01/06 12:32:06 pm reply quote

From [Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Kathleen Carroll, AP's senior vice president and executive editor...said in addition to personally speaking with photo editors, "I also know from 30 years of experience in this business that you can't get competitive journalists to participate in the kind of (staging) experience that is being described."

Photographers are experienced in recognizing when someone is trying to stage something for their benefit, she said.

Shall we all email Ms. Carroll about Pallywood, everyone?

68 taxfreekiller  8/01/06 12:32:17 pm reply quote

Tell the lie often enough and with enough photo lies backing up the lies then soon the lies become truth with death of freedom not far away.

The "evil" press is the "tar" baby we are all stuck to, and they are draging us into the pit of lies and fraud with them where their death cult buds lie in wait, beware of these pits of vipers for the death they deal is the final death of all our freedoms and justice and truth go first into the pit.

69 Thor-Zone  8/01/06 12:32:18 pm reply quote
An AFP executive said he was stunned to be questioned about it. Reuters, in a statement, said it categorically rejects any such suggestion.

Are you sure this isn't a quote from Dan Rather?

70 Village Idiot's Apprentice  8/01/06 12:32:40 pm reply quote

Zombie is right about calling the MSM to task.
Now I need help from those of you with better memories than mine.

What was the timeline from the first Blog twitches about Rathergate till the MSM said that there might be some issues in the blogisphere about the TANG memos?

Now compare that to this statement and the timeline.
Is the MSM getting more sensitive to the innernut, or are we getting better about getting the story out?

71 Quilly Mammoth  8/01/06 12:33:33 pm reply quote

Compare the picture of OKC fire fighter Capt. Chris Fields holding little Baylee Almon and those staged by the Hizzbullah operatives press.

Little Baylee is covered in blood and dust and is still limp. This is about 30 minutes after the blast.

72 Blackacre  8/01/06 12:33:51 pm reply quote

the time stamps are being used as a diversion. Much like the hunt for the rare typewriter that could produce a th but which TANG never possessed, the time stamp issue allows the MSM to avoid addressing the main point: the photos were staged and they bought this patent propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

73 Liz Ard  8/01/06 12:34:07 pm reply quote

OT: Imad Moustapha :syria supports a 'comprehensive solution' to the middle-east "problem" :

/euphemism

74 Ward Cleaver  8/01/06 12:35:05 pm reply quote

I think the MSM also doesn't want to admit they were hoodwinked by Hizz. It's a pride thing. To avoid it, they'd have to compare their pics with those from other agencies.

They got played by Hizz, pure and simple. And now they're trying to defend their screwup.

75 American Infidel  8/01/06 12:35:15 pm reply quote

#48 tigger2005 & #65 Addendum

If you go to Getty Images and click on any of the photos, you will see the detail about it...

Now Getty Images has two categories:

Caption:
BEIRUT, LEBANON - AUGUST 1: People walk among the rubble August 1, 2006 of Haret Hreik, a Hezbullah stronghold and southern suburb of Beirut, Lebanon. The civilian death toll is estimated at 750 dead, as Israel reportedly expands the ground offensive against Hezbullah fighters in southern Lebanon. (Photo by Scott Peterson/Getty Images)
Copyright: 2006 Scott Peterson
By/Title: Scott Peterson/Contributor
Date Created: 1 Aug 2006 12:00 AM
City, State, Country: BEIRUT, , Lebanon
Credit: Getty Images
Collection: Getty Images News
Source: Getty Images Europe
Date Submitted: 1 Aug 2006 02:18 PM
File Size/Pixels/DPI: 728K/1325x2000/300

Keywords: war,middle east,mideast,conflict,Hizbullah,Hezbullah,71492037

Orientation: Horizontal
Object Name: 71492037SP015_beirut

See?!? Created and submitted...I would think CREATED would be the time the photograph was snapped...

76 Golem Akbar  8/01/06 12:35:39 pm reply quote

Finally getting somewhere. This Qana thing has actually turned some friends of mine, formerly supporters of Israel, into doubters. I have tried to explain what I understood, and give them links, but the PR is really bad. Go bloggers, go!

77 galloping granny  8/01/06 12:35:40 pm reply quote
Photographers from The Associated Press, Reuters and Agence France-Presse all covered rescue operations Sunday in Qana, where 56 Lebanese were killed. Many of their photos depicted rescue workers carrying dead children.

Well, yes. I don't recall anyone questioning the fact that their photos depict "rescue workers" carrying dead children.

What we are questioning - and are STILL questioning - is exactly WHEN those dead children died. And possibly where & how.

Idiots.

78 Ward Cleaver  8/01/06 12:36:33 pm reply quote

#73 Liz Ard

"Comprehensive solution"? Is that like a "final solution"?

/spit!

79 -=@$$=-  8/01/06 12:37:25 pm reply quote

if the chimp truly was a "compassionate conservative" he'd do what kerry would have done - declared this heat wave a federal disaster and started air-dropping ice cubes. instead the death toll mounts.

80 Catttt  8/01/06 12:38:17 pm reply quote

Vent:

I'm trying not to be abusively angry, but I am so angry at these so-called professionals in the wire services, I could just freak out here. I seldom get this angry. These "professionals" have created an atmosphere that has resulted in horrific child abuse.

We have here corpse-musical-chairs pictures of the same guy who is pictured in corpse pictures from 1996. IMHO, it is far from unlikely that this guy (who is cheerfully holding up a headless corpse of a baby in a 1996 newswire pic) and his Hez cohorts led hapless, friendless disabled children to the target, knowing they would be in harm's way, knowing that these "worthless, damaged" little ones were useless alive but useful as corpses.

It is far from unlikely that they left these children there and allowed the building to fall on them.

It is not beyond reason that these children were killed elsewhere and transported to the location. Nothing horrible and evil is beyond reason. If I learned, somehow, that Hez suffocated this children then salted them at the scene, I would not be shocked.

There is simply nothing worse on earth than child abuse. I'm firm on this - there is NOTHING worse. Abuse of a disabled child is just appallingly infuriating.

I really hate these people. A lot.

81 shug  8/01/06 12:38:18 pm reply quote
Courage
82 MoonbatBane  8/01/06 12:38:21 pm reply quote

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

/Funny on MythBusters, scary when from the MSM

83 Ward Cleaver  8/01/06 12:38:36 pm reply quote

The MSM also keeps calling the people carrying the bodies "rescue workers", but I'll bet they're Hizb'allah PR operatives.

84 ploome hineni  8/01/06 12:39:38 pm reply quote

1996 photograph of dead child in Qana being held by the same fellow who is holding dead child in QAna this week

1996 photo here

on the right

and in this photo, same man this week

.................

whole story on this site

[Link: eureferendum.blogspot.com...]

so the issue is not only the time stamp, but who is this man in the 'green helmet' and how does he happen to be in the pictures?

85 alegrias  8/01/06 12:40:25 pm reply quote

God Bless Charles--and debunking lizardoids everywhere. We shall overcome the lying MSM and the Caliphate.

Fake but accurate!
Throbbing Memos!

Throbbing fake staged bleeding photos!

86 taxfreekiller  8/01/06 12:40:25 pm reply quote

Shall we take a stroll back in time.

Sigon South Vietnam, an old monk ( how did he get to where he was?, who were the members of the "French Press" there that day and why,who were the two "commie Buddist" monks and what part did they play, the car in the back ground of these prior "staged photos" whose was it,, the old monk with gas from the cars gas tank on him, who lit the fire, who arranged for the "American Press" to be there way cross town for the "event",


THIS SHIT IS NOT NEW, ITS JUST STILL EVIL.

87 shug  8/01/06 12:40:41 pm reply quote

Damn you blogosphere, mind your own business and let us go on hating the Joooos


PS: Bush is Hitler
/MSM

88 Ward Cleaver  8/01/06 12:40:48 pm reply quote

#80 Catttt

We have here corpse-musical-chairs pictures of the same guy who is pictured in corpse pictures from 1996. IMHO, it is far from unlikely that this guy (who is cheerfully holding up a headless corpse of a baby in a 1996 newswire pic) and his Hez cohorts led hapless, friendless disabled children to the target, knowing they would be in harm's way, knowing that these "worthless, damaged" little ones were useless alive but useful as corpses.

Plus they also get to be "martyrs", according to the jihadis. Disgusting.

89 galloping granny  8/01/06 12:41:43 pm reply quote

#46 An AFP executive said he was stunned to be questioned about it.

Woo-hah! I did not pick up that line at first read. If he is "stunned to be questioned" then THAT means that somebody with some influence is doing some questioning! Perfect!

90 abu_garcia  8/01/06 12:44:32 pm reply quote

Re: timestamps

My digital Nikon stamps each photo with the date and time it was taken.

91 taxfreekiller  8/01/06 12:44:58 pm reply quote

Take a look at the vidio of the two old guys in the basement with the shovels, now think any of you who have ever used a shovel,, just what the hell or the guys doing,, sure as hell not at it very hard are they,,,,,,,,,,

staged,,,, staged, staged shovel the shit out of our lives.... thats all

92 Village Idiot's Apprentice  8/01/06 12:45:05 pm reply quote

AI
You and I have our differences, but take this question as an honest one.

You are one of the posters that has the dogged tenacity to dig at an issue when others give up.

Have you considered going thru the various photo archives from Getty and others, looking to see if the green helmet dude appears anywhere else?
It would be very nice if someone could show this clown in various other "Israeli mistakes" removed from Qana, holding up the trophy babies.

93 smfoushee  8/01/06 12:45:36 pm reply quote

Timestamps on a digital photo are stored as part of the RAW format (we'll assume news agencies require photogs to shoot in RAW and not compressed JPEGs) within the EXIF meta data and the only way this stamp would be inaccurate is if the professional photographer did not reset the date/time on his camera to reflect local time before he/she began shooting, highly unlikely. All thats required to find out if the images have the timestamps as alleged is for the agencies to release the RAW photo to a 3rd party for verification, as any simple desktop app that can read photos can read embedded EXIF meta tags.

94 zulubaby  8/01/06 12:45:37 pm reply quote
Thank god for the great work that people are doing in their pajamas.

J. Lichty, you are awesome :-)

95 galloping granny  8/01/06 12:45:59 pm reply quote

#64 - Thank god for the great work that people are doing in their pajamas.

Actually, I am in my bathing suit. Sometimes I am not :)

96 Liz Ard  8/01/06 12:46:07 pm reply quote

#78 ward cleaver

CNN is the mouthpiece of the enemy.

It is al jazeera west.

/I don't know why I watch it.

97 gameface  8/01/06 12:46:33 pm reply quote

Israel is the canary in the mine. We must crush Iran and Syria now.

98 SaneInMN  8/01/06 12:46:41 pm reply quote
Israeli forces launched a massive offensive against Lebanon after Hizbollah kidnapped two of its soldiers

no mention of the eight soldiers killed by the subhumans...

Most of the victims of the conflict have been Lebanese civilians.

I wonder if al-reuters can give us a breakdown of the people killed by Israel in Lebanon? Seems to me "most" terrorists don civilian clothing, while launching attacks at civilian targets. Also, it doesn't quite jive with figures posted at counterterrorismblog.org, such as todays news...

3 IDF soldiers killed, up to 25 wounded - at least 10 Hezbollah killed

No doubt many members of hezbollah are Lebanese civilians, and so, maybe al-reuters report of such "civilians" bearing the brunt of Israels invasion are accurate...and I'm fine with such civilians cooling down to room temperature ASAP!

99 snagler  8/01/06 12:47:39 pm reply quote

#73

yeah, i bet....just like Hitler's 'Final Solution'....
rat bastards, all....

100 MandyManners  8/01/06 12:47:41 pm reply quote

Pay no heed to the man behind the curtain.

101 sms111  8/01/06 12:48:11 pm reply quote

#67

AP contact info to AP SVP:

Kathleen Carroll, Senior Vice President, Executive Editor
450 W. 33rd Street
New York, NY 10001
Phone: 212-621-1610

Email: kcarroll@ap.org

102 buzzsawmonkey  8/01/06 12:48:16 pm reply quote