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AP Rewards Qana Photographers

Tue, Aug 1, 2006 at 3:32:33 pm PDT

An LGF reader has forwarded the following email (I suppose you could say our reader “leaked” it), sent to all Associated Press employees, congratulating themselves on the propaganda photos from Qana and awarding the photographers cash prizes:

Dear Staffers:

Last Sunday proved to be one of the most dramatic days in the war between Israel and Hezbollah fighters in Lebanon. AP’s extensive photo team produced a stunning series of images that day that beat the competition and scored huge play worldwide.

Rumors surfaced early Sunday morning that an Israeli airstrike had flattened a house in the southern Lebanese village of Qana. The number of deaths wasn’t immediately known, but the seriousness of the incident was clear. Beirut-based photographer Hussein Malla immediately called AP photographers Nasser Nasser, Lefteris Pitarakis and stringer Mohammed Zaatari and advised them to rush to the scene. Nasser arrived as the bodies of many civilians — including numerous children — were being pulled from the rubble. Lefteris later took over, enabling Nasser to get his pictures swiftly onto the wire. Kevin Frayer was dispatched from Beirut to boost AP’s presence. Throughout the morning, AP’s team filed a steady stream of powerful images.

Meanwhile, in Beirut, a small Hezbollah demonstration exploded into violence at word of the Qana attack. Hezbollah supporters stormed the nearby United Nations building, scaling walls and smashing their way past bulletproof glass barriers to enter the building itself. Photographers Hussein Malla, Kevork Djansezian and Ben Curtis were all there to capture the rioting. Beirut-based photo editor Dalia Khamissy coordinated with photographers in the field and handled a steady stream of stringer photos. All day long, AP photographers relayed what they were seeing to AP reporters for print stories.

Nasser’s most haunting image showed a man emerging from the rubble carrying the lifeless and dust-covered body of a child. Calm, morning light shone down on man and child, highlighting them against an almost monochrome background of pure rubble. ... Nasser’s image ran on the front pages of at least 33 newspapers, including the San Francisco Chronicle, Chicago Tribune, The Philadelphia Inquirer and the New York Post. It also won a double-page center spread in The Guardian of London. Lefteris’s image of a resident weeping next to a row of bodies made the front of The Washington Post, among many others. Hussein, Kevork and Ben’s images of the storming of the UN building easily beat those of the competition.

For a day of outstanding a memorable photos, taken in conditions of substantial danger, the Lebanon photo team of Nasser Nasser, Lefteris Pitarakis, Kevin Frayer, Mohammed Zaatari, Ben Curtis, Hussein Malla, Kevork Djansezian and Dalia Khamissy shares this week’s $500 Beat of the Week award.

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1 Catttt  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:34:03pm

Dammit. I didn't think I could get any angrier at these dirty bastards. I was wrong on that.

2 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:34:15pm

Congratulations on being certified frauds.

3 ORD neighbor  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:35:51pm

Jihad's fifth column. And proud of it. They do have competition though...

4 indolene  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:36:21pm

Hooray! You're tools of the terror propaganda machine! Cash payouts all around!

5 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:36:27pm
and advised them to rush to the scene. Nasser arrived as the bodies of many civilians — including numerous children — were being pulled from the rubble.

Hm, but I thought "the official story" was that nobody could "rush" there because of Israeli bombing, etc. etc.

6 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:37:43pm
...substantial danger, the Lebanon photo team of Nasser Nasser, Lefteris Pitarakis, Kevin Frayer, Mohammed Zaatari, Ben Curtis, Hussein Malla, Kevork Djansezian and Dalia Khamissy shares this week’s $500 Beat of the Week award.

Not only is AP duplicitous, but $500 for eight alleged photographers?

Cheap SOB's.

7 sissyblue  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:38:06pm

Has anyone figured out who Mr Green Hat is?

8 bigdicksplace  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:38:08pm

That's disgusting and wrong on every level imaginable.
They should be ashamed, but instead they roll in their false glory.

9 jcm  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:38:35pm
Hezbollah fighters

A pox on their house.

10 Abigail Adams  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:39:31pm

After reading this I need to take a shower.
After I throw up, of course.

11 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:40:20pm

This just in: AP awards cash prize to Mel Gibson for his groundbreaking report on how "Jews have started all the wars in history".

12 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:44:46pm
13 Coeur de Lion  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:45:01pm

I sure hope Dan Rather got more than $500 for his forged National Guard memo story.

14 realwest  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:45:21pm

Uh, before you go contractuating yourselves, guys, and to quote from Charles on the prior thread regarding the time validity of those photos, "release the actual timestamps from when the photographs were taken. Digital cameras automatically record this information in the photograph itself, so it would be a simple matter for the wires to provide it."
Do that guys and then we'll talk; until you're just conning us and the world about this.

15 Golem Akbar  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:45:53pm

Remember when Saddam would pay $5,000 to each family whose son would blow themselves up in Israel? Cash incentives work wonders in the Middle East.

16 useless  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:46:49pm

I am not supprised. I wonder if the AP would have posted shuch a glowing hugg of luv to their photogs if they took pix of dead little jooos.

I have heard scumbag supporters as "Isn't a Leboneese child's life worth that of a jooooos?", but so far I haven't see pix of dead little joooos plastered all over the worlds media asking "Why, god why are they doing this to our children?"

The fact that the hizzy's pack their misiles to be anti-personel devices should at least get SOME sympathy for the jooooos. Oh well, I guess no one cares if joooos die.

17 Coeur de Lion  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:47:15pm

How could one not trust photographers named Nasser and Mohammed?

18 Crimsonfisted  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:47:16pm
Beirut-based photo editor Dalia Khamissy coordinated organized with photographers in the field and handled micro-managed a steady stream of stringer photos. All day long, AP photographers relayed what they were seeing fabricated stories and images to AP reporters, who asked no questions and took their words for what was happening even though it made NO SENSE, for print stories.


Fixed that for ya. No need to thank.

19 shug  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:47:36pm

Courage

20 pegcity  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:47:41pm

who started the AP, did they have links to the communists or Nazis?

Cause boy it sounds like Goebbels himself taught these mofo's

21 Black George Bush  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:47:42pm

Hezbollywood has a box office opener.

22 zulubaby  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:48:15pm
Polls show wall-to-wall support for Israel's fight against Hezbollah, even with Israeli civilians enduring a barrage of rocket fire and the army poised for a sweeping ground offensive that is sure to lead to more casualties.

Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon sparked the largest anti-war demonstrations in Israel's history — causing fractures in Israeli society that have barely healed. But this time it's different.

Israelis are united in a sense of outrage at what they see as an unprovoked attack by Hezbollah and a belief that the guerrilla group, backed by Iran, poses a threat to the Jewish state's survival, said Yehuda Ben Meir, a former Israeli deputy foreign minister and a senior fellow at the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies.

A poll published Tuesday in Israel's Maariv newspaper showed 80 percent of respondents support the military's conduct during the offensive, while 74 percent said Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and his government were doing a great job. The poll of 500 adults had a margin of error of 4.4 percentage points.

23 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:48:46pm

Nasser...

Now, where have I heard that name before?

24 humanity  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:48:53pm

Hurray new they can kill more innocent childern and make a anti-israeli documentation...

terrorist support got prize....

25 Drogheda  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:49:18pm

#14 realwest

Even if they did release the images with meta information embedded it would be a trivial matter to change the information to conform with reality as AP has stated it to be.

So to recap...

Simple for AP to release photos: Yes.

Simple for AP to make photo meta information display whatever they want it to: Yes.

26 extrabob  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:49:20pm

Scumbags. Now that they have a little publicity maybe they can come here and get a National Endowment for the Arts grant and display their sick photos at a NYC moonbat art gallery.

27 Stuck in california  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:49:43pm

Wow! $60 each!

28 realwest  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:50:27pm

#18 Crimsonfisted - What? You don't want a 1/9th share of that $500.00?! LOL!
Those people are nothing but whores, and cheap ones at that.

29 journeyscarab  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:50:28pm

Nasser Nasser

30 Bob's Kid  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:51:44pm

Well, that'll show US, won't it? They must be legit if they're giving the photographers AWARDS, right?

Sheesh.

31 NoSubmission  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:52:39pm

Throughout the morning, AP’s team filed a steady stream of powerful images bullshit.

32 mbruce  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:52:44pm

Congratulations on showing up to a staged event where there was no danger to you whatsoever so you could fellate the Hellz Boulah ghouls for greater access to their future BS and horrors! Good job tools!

33 journeyscarab  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:53:05pm

Maybe these guys can be nominated to get like an oversized AP Coffee cup or some movie tickets.

34 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:53:41pm

Did anybody actually get to see that prize-winning photo? I'm getting server not found.....

35 MacGregor  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:54:03pm

I smell Nobel Peace Prizes...

36 The Albatross  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:54:09pm

*cough*

*frown*

*middle finger*

*Elvis has left the building*

37 NoSubmission  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:54:18pm

These terrorazzi work cheap!

38 torontoguy  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:54:25pm

So, the photographers had no problem getting to the scene from Beirut, but the locals can't escape due to 'Israeli destruction' of the roads? Interesting.....

39 mbruce  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:55:14pm

Excellent call #38

40 No User  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:55:24pm

I don't buy into the 'staged photo' thing but I'm appalled at the media patting itself on the back in the midst of tragedy. During Katrina , I remember a special section of the paper, complete with photos of those who lost so much and adjacent was a article on how hard some reporter (forgot who) had worked and what trials he went through in bringing us the story. It made me sick, as this AP release also does.

Dead Babies; A Beat of the Week!

41 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:55:38pm

The real "beat of the week" is the smackdown being delivered by the IDF to Hezbollah HQ in Baalbeq.

Go team!

42 republic  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:55:40pm

Liars and islamofascist terrorists!

To Hell with them all!

43 gymnast  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:56:46pm

It looks like the AP is deserving of the first Nobel Prize for creative photo journalism. As soon as it is created.

44 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:56:48pm

#7 sissyblue, some seem to think it is:

Abu Shadi Jradi

45 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:57:07pm

Anybody get any of those papers so we can see which pic they are speaking of?

46 NoSubmission  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:57:23pm

Special Dispatch-Iran/ Syria
August 2, 2006/ No. 1225

Iran and Syria Beat the Drums of War

To view this Special Dispatch in HTML, visit: [Link: www.memri.org...] .

In the last few days senior Iranian and Syrian officials, including Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad, have stepped up their statements on the war, with the Syrian regime's mouthpieces in the media following suit.

The following are excerpts:

Iranian Revolutionary Guards Commander: We Must Keep the Hatred of America Burning in Our Hearts Until the Moment of Revenge Arrives

The Iranian conservative news agency Fars reported that Iranian Revolutionary Guards Commander Yahya Raheem Safavi gave a speech before forces from the Revolutionary Guards and the Basij(1) on July 30, 2006, in which he demanded that they be prepared to act against Israel and the United States:

"I hope that our courageous and great nation will succeed one day in taking revenge against Israel and America, avenging the blood of the oppressed Muslims and the martyrs.

"We see America as also being the cause of the death of the 200,000 martyrs in the war that was forced upon us [i.e. the Iran-Iraq war], since it urged Saddam [Hussein] to attack Iran. We must keep the holy hatred burning in our hearts until the moment of revenge arrives.

47 fluffy  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:57:53pm

I'm getting a DNS error on the link

48 sms111  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:58:16pm

AP. Money for blood.

49 DockScience  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:58:57pm

I am sure AP would award Leni Riefenstahl too.

Imagine their pride of getting her powerful memorable images out there.

After all, we all know that evil and good are the same, so a demon's story is as good as an angel's.

50 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:59:21pm

#38 torontoguy So, the photographers had no problem getting to the scene from Beirut, but the locals can't escape due to 'Israeli destruction' of the roads? Interesting.....

Point to you ...

51 norar  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:59:55pm

I would call this Al-Dura prize.

52 Wm T Sherman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 1:59:57pm

It has been noted that there is evidence of the passage of time other than the time stamps on the photgraphs. Example: the various items that the man in the green helmet has on his person in some photos, but not in others.

There are techniques for estimating the actual time that photographs were created, using clues such as the length and direction of shadows. A forensic treatment of the images should be possible using even low resolution images posted on the internet.

53 J.D.  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:00:25pm

They're mighty proud.
They will want to defend this by releasing the time stamps, obviously.
And soon.
Any time now...

54 Reality Check  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:00:35pm

Prize money to your photographers - $500
Payment to local stringer (reporter) - $100
Hourly wage to gullible editor - $75

Damage to your reputation - Priceless!

Remember: You can't spell CHEAP without AP!

55 republic  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:01:32pm

#40 No User

I don't buy into the 'staged photo' thing but I'm appalled at the media patting itself on the back in the midst of tragedy. During Katrina , I remember a special section of the paper, complete with photos of those who lost so much and adjacent was a article on how hard some reporter (forgot who) had worked and what trials he went through in bringing us the story. It made me sick, as this AP release also does.

Dead Babies; A Beat of the Week!

Just out of curiosity, do you believe that hezbollah is "above" staging photo ops?

I'll tell you what I think hezbollah is very capable of, in killing woman and children themselves, and using their bodies to try and gain some propaganda value from them.

There is a very real, evil deceit around the world , and anyone who gets caught up in it, may never return from it.

If you go back through the threads over the last few days, and can't see that many of the photo ops of dead children, are most definitly staged, I feel bad for you.

Lastly, remember, that those children are sworn to kill Jews and attack and destroy Israel and Jews, from their earliest age.

That's what sucks the most!

56 sms111  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:01:55pm

The fact that this "email" sent to AP employees appears on LGF as submitted by a reader, suggests there's gonna be some paranoia in the AP offices.

Who's the mole? What else will the mole reveal?

57 mean Gene  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:02:02pm

I've only seen pics of three children.

Where are these photos of all these children?

Hints?

58 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:02:06pm

Oh this is too much.

This is like the meat just falling off the rib.

I have to leave work.

You guys kick ass.

#38, Torontoguy, on the money.

59 Charles  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:02:24pm

The link seems to be to an AP intranet, closed to the public. I'm removing it from the post...

60 journeyscarab  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:02:53pm

#56 sms111 - very interesting.

61 republic  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:02:59pm

Keep calling these liars of the msm out for what they are,

LIARS!

The Truth will prevail!

62 BabbaZee  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:04:24pm

SOCIALIST MEDIA IS THE CALIPHATES WHORE!

63 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:05:13pm

sms111, I thought the same damn thing.

Is this not rich?

The msm has all kinds of leaks. Like they need a depends.

How funny to think that the msm, now has their own leakers?


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

64 zulubaby  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:06:53pm

Ayatollah Ghilmeini (#41)

The real "beat of the week" is the smackdown being delivered by the IDF to Hezbollah HQ in Baalbeq.

Go team!

LOL, exactly right. The media can spin, spin, spin ... the IDF will continue to do what its supposed to do. If the rest of the world doesn't like it, toffees. It's not their blood being spilled. The EU doesn't even have the balls to list Hezbollah as a terrorist organization, they're nothing but oil whores.

The world should be thanking the IDF.

65 XMangels  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:09:02pm

OT http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/08/01/D8J7TKF00 .html

"Reporters might find themselves, as a matter of practical necessity, contacting sources the way I understand drug dealers reach theirs _ by use of clandestine cell phones and meetings in darkened doorways."


LOL

66 chubby vegan  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:09:14pm

Gosh, what would I do with $500.00? Just too much to even comprehend.

67 realwest  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:09:16pm

#41 Ayatollah Ghilmeini - Hi - I've been away from LGF all day but wanted to thank you for "that
post" you made on I believe the Dead Thread. Not all Americans would agree, but the overwhelming, VAST MAJORITY of Americans consider Israel to be, if you will, a sister state: a Judeo-Christian alliance between Israel and the USA!

I'd also like to know some details about "the smackdown being delivered by the IDF to Hezbollah HQ in Baalbeq."!

68 Carolina Girl  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:09:18pm

#53 J.D.

I'm curious as well why they aren't releasing time stamps - the report I had was that the building fell something like 8 hours after the attack. There wasn't time to get everyone out in 8 hours?

And why aren't the Terrorazzi (TM nosubmission) asking the Islamofacists what made the building an Israeli target to begin with. I don't suppose missile launchers positioned next door had anything to do with it.

AP = "Arrogant Patsies"

69 republic  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:09:40pm

#56 sms 111

The fact that this "email" sent to AP employees appears on LGF as submitted by a reader, suggests there's gonna be some paranoia in the AP offices.

Who's the mole? What else will the mole reveal?

The Truth will be revealed!

70 so.cal.swede  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:10:30pm

here's some more photography... from Israel

71 mama winger  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:11:17pm

So this war is to be judged solely on the basis of who causes the most civilian casualties? That is the marker? This is the criterion?

When in the history of warfare has any country been so particular, so painstaking in its caution towards civilians? The object of war is to win.

Somebody moved the bar.

72 Pope Insouciance IV  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:11:34pm

Helping savages with their propaganda by photographing them parading around the corpses of children.

Loan me your hat - I have to throw up.

73 republic  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:11:51pm

#66 chubby vegen

Gosh, what would I do with $500.00? Just too much to even comprehend.

Personally, I'd purchase another firearm, they'll probably join "Code Pink".

74 chubby vegan  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:11:54pm

so.cal.swede

they've already screwed up your link.

75 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:12:28pm

Way to go Lizards! Looks like Rush picked up our "why isn't the binky dirty" thread today.

(Yeah, he could have gotten that someplace else, but this is my story and I'm sticking to it.)

76 republic  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:13:22pm

#71 mama winger

So this war is to be judged solely on the basis of who causes the most civilian casualties? That is the marker? This is the criterion?

When in the history of warfare has any country been so particular, so painstaking in its caution towards civilians? The object of war is to win.

Somebody moved the bar.

The PC, anti-war, "euphorian" wacko kook left is my answer.

77 realwest  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:13:26pm

#25 Drogheda - are you saying that Charles is wrong or that there's simply a way for them to cheat?

78 so.cal.swede  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:14:31pm

Howzabout this?

79 chubby vegan  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:16:16pm

better swede..thanx

80 chubby vegan  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:17:21pm

Swede, at least no civilians there. Whew. That might have even been dangerous.

81 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:19:06pm

#56 sms111

The fact that this "email" sent to AP employees appears on LGF as submitted by a reader, suggests there's gonna be some paranoia in the AP offices.

Who's the mole? What else will the mole reveal

?

One thing that immediately comes to mind is that the mole happens to have some sort of insider knowledge verifying that the photos are staged. Otherwise he would not have bothered to forward this.

82 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:20:05pm

#40 No User

Dude, CNN.

Yes CNN.

The Communist News Network.
CNN ADMITTED that alot of the footage they shot was stage managed by Hezbowlashit.

Its gotta be really bad for them to admit it.

83 realwest  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:22:16pm

#74 chubby vegan - Link works fine for me. What happens when you try it?

84 so.cal.swede  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:22:33pm

yaknow, I think we're seeing the infancy of a new counter-media trend (duh).. i mean not only the Bloggers, but things like this home video of the attack in Haifa is out on the net within a day or so for absolutely everyone to see raw, uncut, uncensored, truth.

Of course it opens a can'o'worms of propaganda and stupidity (like loose change), but it's amazing to see how the blogosphere can "stun" the "journalists" who until nowadays were the sole controllers of bias to their stories.

85 BabbaZee  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:23:00pm

O/T (sort of)

Here is the ultimate
"GRAMSCIAN SOCIALISM IS THE CALIPHATES WHORE"
moment:


Venezuelan President Chavez and Iranian President Ahmadinejad on Iranian TV: "We Have a Long Road Ahead in Battling the Rule of Hegemony. We are Determined to Walk Together to the End of This Road. We are Certain That Our Peoples Will Be Victorious."

[Link: www.memri.org...]

and for you, AP:
(_*_)

see yez on the morrow

86 NoSubmission  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:24:35pm
Nasser’s most haunting image showed a man emerging from the rubble carrying the lifeless and dust-covered body of a child. Calm, morning light shone down on man and child, highlighting them against an almost monochrome background of pure rubble.

This is like porn to AP.

87 jOjOEofArcadia  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:24:43pm

#57 mean Gene

Not only are there insufficient bodies to add up to approximately the 40 dead children repeatedly reported to have been killed while caught in a destroyed building, but also none of them appear to be crushed and none appear to have suffered any loss of blood, certainly not on any of their clothes. In fact, many of them appear to be gray in color and are suffering from rigor far too soon for having died within the past few hours.

/"wolf!"

88 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:25:30pm

realwest- thanks I appreicate it

All we have is CNN and NPR reports of IDF on the ground in Baalbeq.

That means they put at least a battalion by air drop, air mobile or a long sneaky walk.

They would only go there in force, too many bad guys to do otherwise.

89 republic  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:26:21pm

#78 so.cal.swede

Howzabout this?

The msm that are complicit with islamofascist terrorism, and their evil cause, are vile bastards!

They are simply vile, lying bastards!

90 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:27:57pm

France to boycott talks on int’l force in Lebanon

Diplomatic sources in France said Paris will boycott the meetings on the deployment of an international force in Lebanon, which are scheduled for Thursday. (AFP)

91 Doss  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:27:59pm

#52 Wm T Sherman

There are techniques for estimating the actual time that photographs were created, using clues such as the length and direction of shadows. A forensic treatment of the images should be possible using even low resolution images posted on the internet.

I was thinking the same thing.

Qana -

Longitude: 035E18
Latitude: 033N12

I'm trying to find a way to time some of these photos.

92 republic  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:29:19pm

#85 BabbaZee

We are Determined to Walk Together to the End of This Road.

Chavez doesn't want to go to go on the journey to Hell alone, so he welcomes the Iranian kook to join him!

93 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:33:30pm

Sixty-two bucks for nearly getting involved in a riot and running around a war zone?

AP is run by a bunch of cheap Jew bastards!*

(Anti-semitic comment added for irony value)

94 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:33:40pm

#91 Doss

Whyville.net - you'll have to join up,but one of the games gives you sun angles by Long/Lat and date

95 No User  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:34:07pm

#55 Republic

Just out of curiosity, do you believe that hezbollah is "above" staging photo ops?

I'll tell you what I think hezbollah is very capable of, in killing woman and children themselves, and using their bodies to try and gain some propaganda value from them.


To me it feels like there are three camps:

The 'everything is what is seems no need to believe anything we didn't tell you to believe 'camp: which would be the MSM and their ilk.

The 'Hezbollah used the event as a photo op, with a little, and quite possibly a lot, of staging' camp: which I would consider myself a member of, but I'm of this camp for most photos I ever see, as photos are only a selected millisecond of the event. Our enemies have mastered the propaganda war and will continue to wield it against us. So yeah, I don't doubt the event doubled as a massive moment for propaganda.

And lastly 'The entire event was staged and fabricated by Hezbollah' which I don't think Hezbollah is above, yet, I don't think is the case. In fact I want to distance myself as far from this camp as possible, because I deplore the mentality that buys in to theories so they can hold fast to their beliefs. It's sad to see how alike to moonbats the right can be, it's just different stories from a different angles.

96 Markx  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:35:46pm

Blood money.

97 Abigail Adams  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:41:19pm

It isn't like France has anything useful to offer in the first place. I don't think anyone will miss them.

98 Alouette  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:48:07pm

Not to sound paranoid or anything, but is there any way to verify that this is an actual email that was sent to AP staffers and not some disinformation hoax concocted by some asshat at AP, to entrap the bloggers?

I trust Charles enough that he verified the email was sent from an AP server.

99 Doss  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:50:49pm

If I'm doing it right, using Qana's sunrise and sunset times and this program, the sun should have been overhead (local noon) at 12:44 PM in Qana.

100 hepcat  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:51:09pm

$500 to the photographer of which he shares
$50 to green helmet guy and $35 to white tee-shirt man.

101 insane_kufr  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:55:22pm

$500!


fucking wow.

102 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 2:55:50pm

Protocols of the Photographers of AP.

103 big L  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:00:19pm

27-stuck-yeah that what I was thinking. The guys at home paying these liars 60 crummy bucks each to spin a few tales...
Don't forget the CNN skanks having stories cleared by Saddam's henchmen so that Cnn could keep the bureau open.
Clay -feet!.
( guess all these phony stories bein' created and written give lie to the targeting of the Press by US-Coalition forces, huh?)

104 big L  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:01:23pm

6 also right. cheapos for lies.

105 Daisy  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:01:30pm

"For a day of outstanding a memorable photos, taken in conditions of substantial danger, the Lebanon photo team of Nasser Nasser, Lefteris Pitarakis, Kevin Frayer, Mohammed Zaatari, Ben Curtis, Hussein Malla, Kevork Djansezian and Dalia Khamissy shares this week’s $500 Beat of the Week award."

Wow! $62.50 each for necro-ghoulishness.

106 Daisy  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:04:40pm

"...photo team of Nasser Nasser, Lefteris Pitarakis, Kevin Frayer, Mohammed Zaatari, Ben Curtis, Hussein Malla, Kevork Djansezian and Dalia Khamissy .."

BTW //I almost feel kind sorry for Ben Curtis ..

107 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:06:59pm
108 code red 21  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:09:06pm

What a bunch of whores.

109 Catttt  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:13:02pm

MSM Theme Song

Dirty Laundry - Don Henley

110 echoparkdirt  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:15:31pm

How much money per corpse is that?

111 Doss  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:15:34pm

#94 galloping granny

Registered, but couldn't find the sun thing. Thanks anyway.

112 Doss  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:16:56pm

Are the time stamps in Lebanese time? NY time? UK time?

113 RedDirtGuy  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:25:03pm

#97

Right. Who would France surrender to in this case? Hezbollah? They'd be hostages. Israel? The French would have a hissy fit.

I also wonder, in the same line as #56 sms111, who the mole is? Interesting that their own technique of using shadowy sources was actually using them.

Rumors surfaced early Sunday morning that an Israeli airstrike had flattened a house in the southern Lebanese village of Qana.

They don't say when Sunday morning but they do imply that it was around 7-8 am - they seemed to be just getting up. It was, of course, sleep late Sunday.

114 shimra  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:25:45pm

Can someone give me some links on whether the whole Qana thing was a fraud?

I don't know if it was since I don't have the facts but dead children are dead children whether they're Palis, Jewish or Lebanese. Damn Hizballah. Their blood is on Hizballah's hands.

How vulgar and depraved do you have to be to award money for taking pics of mutilated dead kids?

If they were Jewish my guess is that the AP would dock their pay for wasting film.

115 odhran  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:25:52pm

$500 is a lot less than what it cost for that professional pre-made spontaneous 30 foot banner demonizing Condi Rice and the "incident". This sort of manipulation is reprehensible, but it's so bad it would be comical if the stakes weren't so high.

116 Trashman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:27:20pm

Hey Doss,

I read on some blog today and cannot remember which one that the time stamps are from when the photos are uploaded to AP, not when the photos were shot. So the time stamps would be irrelevent.

PS, In the bonds, forever.

117 mattm  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:27:53pm

Now the lyars get money, and the terroists get more friends.

118 Daisy  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:29:01pm

"#110 How much money per corpse is that?"

Let's see $550 divided by 3 (# of corpses repeatedly photographed) = something like $166 a corpse.
And $62.50 per whore photographer.

119 Geepers  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:30:14pm

Dear Staffers:

Rumors surfaced early Sunday morning that an Israeli airstrike had flattened a house in the southern Lebanese village of Qana. The number of deaths wasn’t immediately known, but the seriousness of the incident was clear. Beirut-based photographer Hussein Malla immediately called AP photographers Nasser Nasser, Lefteris Pitarakis and stringer Mohammed Zaatari and advised them to rush to the scene. Nasser arrived as the bodies of many civilians — including numerous children — were being pulled from the rubble.

Geez guys, you're talking to the staff and you've still got to throw in the "including numerous children" canard?

120 Dustoff-507  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:30:18pm

Hello REALWEST

Hey guys & gals. Anyone know what happened to (justmyview) ?


I hit him with a question on medical and it looks like he ran away?

121 Geepers  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:31:10pm

"So remember photographers: Dead kids sell."

"So remember hezbollah: Dead kids sell."

122 Dustoff-507  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:33:19pm

#121 Geppers

"So remember photographers: Dead kids sell."

"So remember hezbollah: Dead kids sell."

That is IF they died there?

That question has not been answered yet!

123 Daisy  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:33:33pm

#120 .. I commented on mental illness ( my field of work) and the Seattle terrorist and he took off like a shot out of hell .. so I don't know either.

124 Dustoff-507  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:34:41pm

#121 Geeper


Sorry, don't you just love these fools.

125 Dustoff-507  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:36:09pm

#123 Daisy

Thanks. I knew he would run.

PS I'm in Seattle area. )-:

126 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:37:04pm

Does the AP really think that by giving awards to the photographers that it will stop the questions surrounding the circumstances of the incident? Do they think that if you wrap a bow around this stinking pile, that it isn't anything other than a stinking pile?

I wonder /no, I don't.

127 Daisy  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:40:20pm

#125 .. Dustoff-507

So's my son and daughter in law. They moved to Seattle this Spring and are still bewildered by the level of PC (and he grew up in NY :)

Having said that, it's a truly beautiful city .. and the coffee has inspired the whole country!

128 rabidfox  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:42:13pm

I think what is fueling a lot of the conspiracy theories about the Hezzies staging the event is the condition of some of those bodies. They're GREY! I think it takes more than a few hours for that to happen.

129 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:42:20pm

Eight AP photographers "shares" a $500 award.

How many AP editors shares a dictionary?

130 Geepers  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:43:07pm

And they got all these guys moving "immediately" on rumors did they?

Ya know those must have been some pretty good "rumors".

131 Doss  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:43:56pm

Trashman

Hope you're doing well! I'll probably be out your way when football season starts and will email you.

I read on some blog today and cannot remember which one that the time stamps are from when the photos are uploaded to AP, not when the photos were shot. So the time stamps would be irrelevent.


I'm just hoping that if the photo times are released, we can catch them in a lie if the shadows prove otherwise.

132 Trashman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:44:11pm

I see a lot of people are running with this theory about the time stamps on the photos. High end cameras (Nikon and Canon SLRs), which damn near every pro photographer uses, do not store the time when a photo was taken. Mine stores only the date inside the camera and does not send this info out if I were to email the photo to anybody. I highly doubt that these time stamps are accurate am I'm very suspicious that any time stamps are showing at at all. I think this time stamp business is nonsense.

133 Geepers  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:49:59pm

And ya know what's missing here?

All the front page photos. All the indignation. All the condemnation.

No story.

Where's the story? Where's the names of the kids? Where are the interviews with the grieving sisters? The uncles telling of life cut short? The farmers friends and how tragic it is that he lost his house.

134 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:52:23pm
135 mkm19602000  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:54:38pm

Please look at this picture from the EU Referendum. Wasn't the White Tee Shirt Guy identified as this girl's father? Look at how he is holding her. He might as well put two of his fingers up each of her notrils and show her off like a trophy bass. I don't think any father could hold his dead child so stiffly. Compare him with the guy next to him, at least he is supporting that child's legs.

[Link: photos1.blogger.com...]


This is the EU Referendum post where the picture is found. It is the first picture on the right hand side of the page.


[Link: eureferendum.blogspot.com...]

136 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:57:14pm

#106, daisy

BTW //I almost feel kind sorry for Ben Curtis ..

Dude! This story's getting a smell!

137 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 3:58:14pm
138 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:00:02pm
139 Alouette  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:02:18pm

#128 rabidfox

I think what is fueling a lot of the conspiracy theories about the Hezzies staging the event is the condition of some of those bodies. They're GREY!

"Blue binky" dead corpse has more miles on it than the odometer says.

140 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:02:24pm
141 kafir  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:03:48pm

They just created a market for staged and manufactured atrocity. Oh my f*cking god.

142 Geepers  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:03:59pm

Trashman (#115),

So the time stamps would be irrelevent.

Basically yes.

The only people who can address the sequence of events and the time that the photographs were taken are the photographers. Who apparently are on call 24 hours-a-day to rush out for money taking dead kids shots, yet aren't available to straighten this out.

And don't expect them to.

There is clearly, obviously conflicting photographic evidence that cannot be explained away.

143 J.D.  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:04:43pm

#141 kafir
This is not a new thing.

144 so.cal.swede  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:04:53pm

#132 Trashman

Maybe it's just me, but i'm not even a professional photographer, but i'm pretty anal about having my camera set up so i know exactly when my pics were taken...

Imagine if you were an investigative journalist, wouldn't you care at all about the chronology of your pictures?

I'm not saying: ergo timestamps are valid, i'm saying if I was a photographer, they would be.

145 Doss  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:05:21pm

Trashman

Depending on the file format, it appears there's a lot of metadata that can be gleaned from the pics taken.

The metadata tags defined in the Exif standard cover a broad spectrum including:

* Date and time information. Digital cameras will record the current date and time and save this in the metadata.
* Camera settings. This includes static information such as the camera model and make, and information that varies with each image such as orientation, aperture, shutter speed, focal length, metering mode, and film speed information.
* Location information, which could come from a GPS receiver connected to the camera. As of 2004 only a few cameras support this, though. Some people therefore use a normal receiver to track their movements, and then post-process the images by matching the timestamps in the images with the log from the receiver and can so add the missing information to images.

146 Geepers  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:07:42pm

rayra (#134),

Got there at the same time as the "rescuers" even.

Over roads that were so badly bombed out that no one could evacuate the area.

147 sissyblue  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:08:07pm

Tribute to Biff:

[Link: eyesallaround.blogspot.com...]

148 Trashman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:09:13pm

rayra,
We are frat brothers and got hazed beyond anything mortals can comprehend because we pledged our fraternity before America became pussified by lefties. I remember you from the old time days here when Michael Glazer (now mglazer) couldn't spell. So, hello to you, oldtimer. I promise that I ain't no lefty.

149 Alouette  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:09:42pm

Meanwhile, AP had ONE (count 'em) photo of the funeral of Pam Waechter.
Pam who? Oh, just that Jew who was killed in Seattle.

If they paraded her body through the streets you can bet AP would have more than just one photo.

150 J.D.  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:10:12pm

#146 Geepers
Enduring all those hardships!
What a dedicated group.

151 Charles  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:10:46pm

Trashman: not exactly right. High-end digital cameras definitely do store the time that the photo was taken, as IPTC metadata inside the picture file.

You're correct that the timestamps that show up next to the photos when they're posted at Yahoo or other places are irrelevant. Those timestamps are most likely when the news agency received the picture, not when it was taken.

However, the original photo files, which are undoubtedly saved somewhere, would have the true timestamps in their metadata headers.

152 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:13:51pm

I just love it when lizards talk all technical. It makes my scales all tingly!

153 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:14:19pm

The Dragon has awakened.

154 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:14:35pm
155 Daisy  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:15:05pm

#136 .. Dar ul Harb

Ha! So that's where he went :) !

156 Daisy  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:15:58pm

#152 .. writer mom :) :) :)

157 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:16:28pm

The whole thing reeks. Photographers can get in, but rescue workers can't. Roads rubble? Roads working...maybe they should make up their minds.

Would be interesting to know, as has been pointed out-when the photographers were dispatched to the area.

158 Geepers  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:17:13pm

rarya,

Have you seen this:

Qana: A Forensic Simulation

159 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:17:58pm

#154 rayra

If you could figure that out-it would be JUST EXCELLENT LIZARD DETECTIVE WORK.

160 Trashman  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:19:52pm

I do not believe any of the time stamp data. However, there is plenty of data from the photos themselves that prove they were staged - especially the clean pacifier and the latex gloves of the corpse handler that showed up in one of the photos of the baby and was not in the others. I have no doubt that the photos are Hezbollah propaganda and completely staged, but do not believe the date stamps are accurate.

161 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:23:44pm
162 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:26:24pm
163 de La Valette  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:26:55pm

We have a source inside the AP, I wonder if they can find out how much the AP made off of those pics?

We could pass a hat at work and beat 60 bucks. Maybe a couple of bills in the right handshakes and we can turn this media mess around.

Of course, whose to say these guys are not getting a HZB check for this work, too.

164 Geepers  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:27:25pm

There have to be hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of pictures.

There were five photographers there.

All those pictures got downloaded somewhere. And they're all in sequence.

This is gonna turn into a huge scandal if AP can't come clean, and come clean soon.

165 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:29:16pm
#135 Please look at this picture from the EU Referendum. Wasn't the White Tee Shirt Guy identified as this girl's father? Look at how he is holding her.

Yes, I did see White Tee labeled as her father somewhere. A couple of things are odd to me about this pic.

For one thing, if you scroll down through the pictures at EUReferendum, you will see that this same girl also appears in a number of pics with Green Helmet. In fact, she is the girl in most of those pics, including the "award winner" in front of all the debris - notice the pants. She seems to be a wide variety of locations too - in the debris, on a stretcher, near & in the ambulance, out on the street, etc.

One of those pics, the one you posted, is not only in a green leafy tree area that is not visible in other shots, but that one does have a time stamp clearly visible on the picture itself - 11:01.

This child looks to me to weigh somewhere in the 45-50 pounds range. The particular way that she is being held in the picture you are questioning seems at best awkward to me. Certainly that isn't the way anyone would normally carry around 50 pounds.

EUReferendum has a rebuttal up to the Letter From the Shocked Editors.

166 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:29:38pm

EU referendum tentatively identifies "Green Helmet" as Abu Shadi Jradi, probably based upon this AP story by longtime AP foreign correspondent Kathy Gannon.

Bodies Pulled From Wreckage in Lebanon

By KATHY GANNON
The Associated Press
Sunday, July 30, 2006; 6:38 PM

QANA, Lebanon -- Abu Shadi Jradi pulled bodies out of wreckage for hours _ two toddler girls wearing tiny gold earrings, a small boy whose pale blue pacifier still hung from his neck. Somewhere in the middle, Jradi slumped beneath a tree and wept.

"There are so many children, so many children," the veteran civil defense worker said Sunday, barely able to get out the words.

* * *

Interesting, isn't it, that Gannon should mention the telltale binky...

167 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:30:41pm
168 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:31:36pm
#163 We have a source inside the AP, I wonder if they can find out how much the AP made off of those pics?

A virtual ton. The $500 they passed out is chicken feed. If you wanted to buy an AP photo for one time individual use it can run to hundreds, depending. Commercial sources maintain subscriptions which run to the thousands per year, depending on how many pics you sign up to use.

169 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:33:23pm
170 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:34:36pm

Hmm...Charles-you there...I just sent you some information about Patrick Baz. Seems he's a Lebanese French person-and guess what? He has been shot by the IDF...wonder if he has any problems with Israel?

171 Geepers  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:38:19pm

Cog just post this on the "award" thread:

90% of the pro photographers shoot Canon, usually the Mark II.

Here is DPreview.com's information about the Canon Data Verification Kit DVK-E2:

[Link: www.dpreview.......]

Canon today announced the latest version of its Data Verification Kit, the DVK-E2 kit is designed to deliver validation of an unmodified original image from a single camera body. This kit is aimed at law enforcement, insurance, news and other such agencies and can detect single bit discrepancy in modification of an image since it was taken. The new kit is much smaller than the old and uses a unique SM (secure mobile) card which is the same size as a Secure Digital card. The card reader connects to a computer USB port (only Windows 2000/XP compatible at the moment).

Amstelveen, The Netherlands, 29 January 2004. Canon, a leader in photographic and imaging technology, today releases the DVK-E2. Designed to work with the EOS-1Ds and new EOS-1D Mark II D-SLR cameras, the DVK-E2 provides the facility to prove that images taken with the EOS-1D Mark II have not been altered, tampered with or manipulated in any way. The DVK-E2 is the successor to Canon's DVK-E1 and will work with both the EOS-1Ds and the EOS-1D Mark II.

Recent well-publicised cases involving image-tampering by news agencies have identified a strong need for a system capable of verifying the originality of digital photographs. Without such a kit it is impossible for an agency to identify whether or not a given image has been enhanced or manipulated.

ISO certification

With the capacity to detect the slightest (single bit) discrepancy, the DVK-E2 kit is expected to be popular amongst law enforcement, insurance, news and other agencies that have a need to verify the legitimacy of digital images. Canon is applying for ISO 15408 certification (evaluation criteria for IT security) for the Data Verification Kit to further validate its application. The acquisition of ISO 15408 certification will give international recognition to the originality of images shot with the EOS-1D Mark II or EOS-1Ds whilst in data verification mode.

How it works

The kit consists of a dedicated SM (secure mobile) card reader/writer and verification software. When the appropriate function (Personal Function 31) on the EOS-1D Mark II or EOS-1Ds is activated, a code based on the image contents is generated and appended to the image. When the image is viewed, the data verification software determines the code for the image and compares it with the attached code. If the image contents have been manipulated in any way, the codes will not match and the image cannot be verified as the original.

172 Doss  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:41:55pm

#154 rayra

Yeah, I figured that after going through so much bs to find the local noon.

One question AP et al should answer is - where area all of the other dead kids? No photos of them?

173 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:43:39pm
174 Reluctant Democrat  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:44:13pm

What a "coincidence" that the "stringers "just happened to be there just as they were pulling bodies out, and at the riot in Beirut!

175 Doss  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 4:45:34pm

#170 WriterMom

That was in 2000, just to be clear. I caught Baz in a lie in the previous thread concerning that quote of his you had above.

176 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 5:05:21pm

Hmm.

A February 17, 1985 UPI story headlined "Israelis Encounter Resistance In South Lebanon" contains a few quotes from "a 25-year-old former teacher" named Khalil Jradi who was a leader in the Shiite Amal militia who was based out of Maaraka, Lebanon. Maaraka is described in the UPI article as being one of "a group of Shiite villages around the southern seaport of Tyre [that] have become the center of anti-Israeli resistance."

In Ms. Gannon's article (cited earlier), Abu Shadi Jradi is described thus:

Jradi said he got the call to rush to Qana from Tyre. But he couldn't go immediately, with Israeli warplanes still overhead. "It was too dangerous," he said.

However unlikely it may be that Abu Shadi (possibly a pseudonym, or nom de guerre, ala "Abu Mazen" for Mahmood Abbas) Jradi is the same person as Khalil Jradi, who, the UPI article tells us "became the acknowledged leader of anti-Israeli resistance in his village" it was interesting to note how then 25-year-old Khalil Jradi described his "resistance".

Jiradi, UPI said, "no longer operates in secret. He tells how every man, woman and child is used in the struggle against the Israelis."

It's also interesting to note that Khalil Jradi, if he's still around, would be 46 years old in 2006.

How old do you think Abu Shadi "Green Helmet" Jradi is?

177 Geepers  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 5:06:24pm

This is too good.

How do you jack up your credibility after proving you you don't know jack about the military?

That's right, misspell the correction:

The photograph accompanied the story on the "deadly American airstrike" on a village in the northwestern tribal region last week, aimed at killing Ayman al-Zawahiri, and purports to be a picture of the post-strike scene. Only now has the NYT made a correction, after the blogs had run riot, and appended: "A picture caption on Saturday with an article about a US airstrike on a village in Pakistan misidentified an unexploded ordinance (sic). It was not the remains of a missile fired at a house."

EU Referendum has a nice blog. Good luck to them.

178 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 5:09:11pm
#175 Doss -

That was in 2000, just to be clear. I caught Baz in a lie in the previous thread concerning that quote of his you had above

You sent me looking. That lie is only the tip of the iceberg. Documenting now but -

Cluster Bombs Liberate Iraqi Children

Al-Mustansariya University in Baghdad - the oldest in the world - has been bombed. A Red Crescent maternity hospital has been bombed. In al-Janabiy, in the southeast of Baghdad, Patrick Baz, a veteran AFP photographer who stared horror in the face in Beirut in the 1980s, stumbled into a farm pulverized by missiles with at least 20 dead inside, including 11 children.

He was the reporter on the balcony that swore that US tanks saw him -

This is a translation (from Arabic) of an interview with him

Ten years ago, photographer journalist Patrick Baz French nationality holder of Lebanese origin, is headed by the France Press Agency in the Middle East. The work covered by the events of Israel and Palestine Lebanon Iraq and Iran. Prolific work in a day to allow a full understanding of what is going to enter events Ahlth Festival international press pictures In France.
Patrick says in one of his interviews that it is impossible to professionalize the profession of photography, if not love. Calm, spontaneous, simple, Mkel Patrick Baz defined by close of the colleagues in the profession correspondents military toured with Kamirah most battlefields since preferred a seventeen-year-old (born in Beirut, 1963), replacing the carriage Venice with those of the generation campaign camera captures Badestha everything / and move around and be worthy of stabilization in the city of sleep and awakes to 2 tons of bombs and bullets bursts : "between Venice and the camera chose belligerent image."
He says in an interview with the fair willingly in the day, "if the military correspondent am Generation war Angttne Adeste from drowning in the disaster." Someone who is implicitly km profession, given the circumstances of the world, designed by the ever escape the cauldron : "I said I flee from the world of professionalism. There are major differences between that war correspondents to be a combatant. " He says. Shortly afterwards : "there had been the gun fights, but I Vaharp camera, I warrior in the service of information". After silence : "I was in the service of man. The pictures tell it. "

179 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 5:11:38pm

RE 178 - The balcony I am rather hastily referring to is the balcony of the Palestinian Hotel in Bagdad

180 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 5:16:53pm

So is Abu Shadi "a Lebanese civil defense official" or a mortician with access to refrigerated trucks?

Abu Shadi, the mortician at the government hospital in the city, agrees. He's processed 100 bodies -- many of them grotesquely mangled and burned -- and on his pickup runs has been forced to leave behind many more that he can't recover from cars and destroyed buildings.

"It's much more [than the official count]," he says. "There are many trapped under the rubble. The death toll will reach 1,000."

Mr. Shadi
was standing in front of a refrigeration truck that was packed with 20 bodies, days after he helped bury 74 bodies in a mass grave. When he opened the door to show the black body bags haphazardly piled on top of each other, a staggering stench came out, despite the refrigeration. Next to the truck stood 40 empty wooden caskets, waiting for new arrivals.

"The last two days have been the worst. Yesterday and the day before, the bodies that came in were completely burned. Charred. It was a shipment of burned bodies."

* * *

Of the dead he's seen, Mr. Shadi says, "maybe 3 per cent" were men. The rest were women and children. "They're not targeting fighters."

181 Geepers  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 5:23:57pm

Dar ul Harb (#166),

From your link:

"There are so many children, so many children," the veteran civil defense worker said Sunday, barely able to get out the words.

And there were five photographers, and I believe now just pictures of five of those "so many" children.

Where are pictures of the other 30 children being pulled out of the rubble?

The rescue didn't begin until the building collapsed. How long did it take to rescue all the victims? The AP staffer award letter said they were there all day working in teams so that someone was always on the scene.

And the 20 Adults?

182 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 5:27:00pm

#180 - Very interesting. Somebody else found "him" under the last name. Wish there were pictures of either of them. Sure does make you wonder, doesn't it?

183 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 5:27:34pm

HonestReporting Canada has already flagged the Mark Mackinnon article from the Globe and Mail that I quote above as unsubstantiated anti-Israeli propaganda.

And guess who (apparently) starred in Mackinnon's story?

Abu Shadi (Jradi?)

Will the real Abu Shadi please stand up?
please stand up?

184 Geepers  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 5:29:07pm

Dar ul Harb (#176),

However unlikely

Dude. I think you're spot one.

Same guy.

185 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 5:30:21pm
#181 The rescue didn't begin until the building collapsed. How long did it take to rescue all the victims? The AP staffer award letter said they were there all day working in teams so that someone was always on the scene.

One other point. The stories all say that rescue operations couldn't take place earlier because the roads were impassable.

However, if you go look through the pics at EUReferendum, you will note the picture of the girl with Green Helmet standing out in the road - which is clearly undamaged.

BTW, where do you count 5 children. I think I've seen just 3 - the baby, the girl in most of the pictures and one other child sharing a stretcher with her in one pic. And one pic of 8-10 bodies laid out under coverings.

186 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 5:30:21pm

You gotta wonder who knitted this sweater, when you keep pulling on the yarn and it just keeps unravelling...

187 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 5:33:30pm

#184, Geepers

Dude. I think you're spot one.

Same guy.

Maybe. But I bet at least they're very close.

Like these guys!

188 rorschach  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 5:34:17pm

Media lies.

189 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 5:38:36pm
#188 rorschach Media lies

.

Unfortunately, advertising is big business. Fortunes are made and wars are won and lost on media lies.

190 Geepers  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 5:42:10pm

Dar al Harb (#180),

Again, from your link:

days after he helped bury 74 bodies in a mass grave.

This makes no sense.

A country of 3,874,050 (July 2006 est.) who's death rate is 6.21 deaths/1,000 population (2006 est.) normally buries 66 people every day.

191 Clutch  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 5:49:37pm

MSM = death whores. I won't be sorry if every d@mn one of them happened to take a stray piece of Islamofacist shrapnel to the skull and they end up being drooling, crapping-in-their-diaper vegetables for the rest of their hell-bound existance. D@mn their eyes and to hell with the MSM!

192 Drogheda  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 5:55:37pm

#77 realwest

#25 Drogheda - are you saying that Charles is wrong or that there's simply a way for them to cheat?

They can cheat.

193 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 6:15:15pm
#192 "They can cheat"

Yup. Pretty easy to do too.

194 Geepers  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 6:21:50pm

Ya know this 48 hour sorta cease fire gave the blogosphere just enough time to unravel this story before it got left behind by current events.

It's becoming more and more apparent that this was staged. And poorly staged at that.

Latest News:

Israel targets Hezbollah bastion

An Israeli ground and air operation is under way near Baalbek in Lebanon - a Hezbollah stronghold more than 100km (60 miles) north of the Israeli border.

195 chubby vegan  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:16:14pm

#169 rayra

uh...people tell me i look like Glen Beck (though a chubby one). Is that a bad thing?

btw: Did you get your name from that guy on "Blazing Saddles"?

196 Stop Hillary  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:50:17pm

Do they have to share their cash awards with Hez'b'allah? Just askin'.

197 Cog  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:56:39pm

Thanks Geep, here is the link to the Nikon authentication protocol for the D2X, about the same:

[Link: nikonimaging.com...]

Image Authentication Software is designed exclusively for use with the Nikon D2Xs digital SLR. It enables the authentication of an image captured by the camera and can determine whether or not it has been altered since capture, verifying the image as well as information attached to it.

Quick and easy verification of authenticity
Permits verification via a personal computer as to whether an image has been processed or edited after it was taken. Thumbnails of the images selected in the results display area are displayed for confirmation.

Protection of the software itself
Various code protections are employed to prevent alterations to the software program. And to further improve reliability when using this software, both a product key and a USB key are required. The USB key must be plugged into the USB port to commence application.

Three file formats can be verified
The software enables verification of JPEG, TIFF and NEF (RAW) data taken using a Nikon digital SLR compatible with the authentication function.

The AP, Reuters and AFP should be required to put up all the images in situations such as this, not just cherry pick those with the most "news", or propaganda value. What did the scene look like when the photographers arrived, were there any combatants present, were they moved, how many children were killed, were they moved.

If this is about getting to the truth, have the AP release all of the photos, original and unedited, and let professionals and the public examine them and compare them to the articles run. This is about their journalistic credibility, which is in serious disrepair.

ps - One other thing about asking for the full EXIF information for a photo, it can be changed easily. That is why both Nikon and Canon released these new authentication protocols, because law enforcement, insurance, and the media usage required it.

198 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 7:59:12pm

Heads UP!

Jerusalem Post has a brand new article up -

Bloggers raise questions about Kana
By D. IZENBERG,J.SIEGEL-ITZKOVICH AND N. ROSEN

The IDF is looking into allegations raised over the past few days by several pro-Israel, Jewish and conservative Weblogs that Hizbullah may have staged aspects of the Kana tragedy on Sunday, in which some 60 Lebanese bodies were removed from a building that collapsed seven hours after being hit in an Israel Air Force strike

199 Geepers  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:17:31pm

Cog (#197),

If this is about getting to the truth, have the AP release all of the photos, original and unedited, and let professionals and the public examine them and compare them to the articles run. This is about their journalistic credibility, which is in serious disrepair.

Well it that were the case then we would be seeing all countries that are claiming this is war crimes demanding literally every bit of data to prove their case.

Cuz there's lots of pictures out there somewhere.

Stand forward with this evidence Associated Press.

200 Geepers  Tue, Aug 1, 2006 8:18:35pm

Thanks, galloping granny.

201 cbinflux  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 3:03:17am

Is Lefteris a name or a nic?

202 19kilo  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 3:12:09am

Is that guys name really LEFTeris? That is too much>

203 SlothB77  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 3:57:48am
Meanwhile, in Beirut, a small Hezbollah demonstration exploded into violence at word of the Qana attack

so now they are gloating at having caused a riot that ransacked the UN building?

204 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 4:34:19am

My e-mail was on the fritz last night. I don't know if Charles got my links about Mr. AFP.

Doss-I think we're on the same page about this POS :)

205 Fran2  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 5:10:33am

From today's entry at This Ongoing War: "The Unbridled Power of the Newsagencies"

...How do Associated Press, Reuters and Agence France Press know, 36 hours after publishing these shocking images and sitting in their air-conditioned offices thousands of kilometers away from the scene, that they have not been manipulated, duped, by Hezbollah? Does Nasser Nasser know? Does Adnan Hajj of Reuters? Does Nicolas Asfouri of AFP? Does Zohra Bensemra of Reuters? Where does their self-confidence come from? Why do they have such an awfully difficult time figuring out whether an act is terror or something else (while most folks have no doubt) but here, where serious questions are being posed, they are instantly confident in the very heat of the moment that these things are just what AP, AFP and Reuters say they are.
We've seen that confidence before. Last year, AP published this when the same individual kept popping into the viewfinder of their cameras:

There's no question that [Hezbollah] were genuinely grieving over the loss of their homes, their livelihood and their dreams. But they were also keenly aware that their struggle was being broadcast across the world ...

Except that this quote above is doctored by us. AP was not referring to Hezbollah here. The word in brackets in the original article was "settlers" and that story was about Israelis. Check out the background in this CAMERA analysis. AP demonstrated it has an acute sense of when it's being used except when it's being used by what it, and much of the world as well, sees as being the weaker side in an asymmetrical conflict. What a terrible way to conduct a news business.

206 metatron  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 5:41:03am

Here's another interesting piece about a photo by AP of Condi Rice on the front page of the NY times:

[Link: cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com...]


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