LGF

more options

  

Advertisement
Two Week Free Trial

Nasrallah Calls on Arab Leaders to Promote Ceasefire

Sat, Aug 5, 2006 at 8:56:26 am PDT

After weeks of telling other Arab leaders they should “get off his back,” Hizballah kingpin Hassan Nasrallah has changed his tune. On an August 3rd Al-Manar broadcast, he practically begged them to help promote a ceasefire: Hizbullah Secretary-General Nasrallah Calls on Arab Leaders to Promote Ceasefire in Meetings With US.

Advertisement

340 comments

  • Comments are open and unmoderated, and do not necessarily reflect the views of Little Green Footballs.
  • Obscene, abusive, silly, or annoying remarks may be deleted, but the fact that particular comments remain on the site in no way constitutes an endorsement of their views by Little Green Footballs.
  • Posts that contain phone numbers, street addresses, email addresses or other personal information will also be deleted, as will posts that consist only of a variation on the word, "First!"
  • Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal.
  • Disagreement and debate are welcome, but insults and abuse are not, and may cause your account to be blocked.
  • REMEMBER: posting comments at LGF is a privilege, not a right. Abuse that privilege, and your account will be blocked.

Hide comments | Jump to bottom

1 Obi-wan  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:57:06am

Because they're loooooooosing!

2 David2  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:57:27am

Hopefully, he will be spending a lot of times on his knees.

Another CIA plant.

3 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:57:50am

Running scared. He's probably getting nervous about that laser beam following him around.

4 Obi-wan  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:58:06am

Can you say "hudnah?"

5 gregusmeus  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:58:08am

First good news all day

6 tigger2005  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:58:19am

No hudnas. No way. No how. Go Israel!

OT: I've done a couple Hizballah business cards, how do I send them to Charles?

7 mkultra  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:59:46am

Yes the whole world lusts for a cease fire. As long as the Jews are kicking Arab ass. If the war was going the other way there would be no hue and cry from France and Russia and King Abdulla. That bitch.

8 Just_A_Grunt  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:00:02am

I hope some of the arm chair generals are right in that the IDF is trying to insert enough forces behind the main front line of Hezbollah and then begin a sweep back towards Israel. That is the only way Israel should withdraw from Lebanon, taking out all of the garbage on the way.

9 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:01:13am

Oh, the poor baby...

10 Broomer  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:01:27am

NOW it's time for Israel to TOTALLY kick their ass. No ceasefire, no hesistation, go ALL THE WAY BECAUSE ISRAEL IS WINNING!

JG

11 Wisenheimer  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:01:36am

"They're hurting me!
They're hurting me!"

12 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:01:42am

He's getting his ass kicked.

Soon he will sleep with the arafishes.

Yalla Ya Narallah!

13 Blackacre  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:01:49am

He wouldn't be calling for a hudna if has was pressing the offensive rather than getting a can of IDF/IAF whoop-ass unleashed on him.

14 mkultra  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:03:44am

#8 Just_A_Grunt screw the Arm chair generals what about the Armchair Insurgents

15 gitarfan  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:03:54am

Yes a cease-fire, just long enough to turn him into hamburger when he comes out of hiding and then on with offensive!

16 WarBicycle  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:04:52am

Hesbollah's leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah and Hadhi Army leader Moqtada Sadr are cousins.

17 Orbit Rain  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:05:12am

call me unsympathetic
call me what you will

fuck'm

I'd say shooting rockets into civilian territory gets you a death sentence.

18 Just_A_Grunt  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:05:21am

Amazing this call comes at the same time that an announcement is made that the US and France have a "draft" propasal for a end to hostilities. Methinks this is more related to his supply lines being severed by the bombing of the bridges linking Lebanon to Syria and the raid carried out by the IDF special forces.
I hope Bolton is just teasing the French.

19 Broomer  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:06:21am

Saw this from a deaf blog but am linking directly to Yahoo:

Guess where?

Guess who’s paying for it?

Supposed there was no Iraqi liberation? Then what would her life be?

I dare those that are opposed to Iraqi liberation tell her to her face that she would’ve rely on Saddam Hussein and Iraq’s antiquated health care to help her hear.


Deaf Iraqi girl to receive Cochlear Implant

JG

20 quark2  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:06:24am

Somebody dust this guy with some smart dust.
That'll link him up right good. :0
/jdam -> nasrallah

21 Just_A_Grunt  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:06:48am

#16 Warbicycle

Hesbollah's leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah and Hadhi Army leader Moqtada Sadr are cousins.


Is this true or just exageration?

22 DistantThunder  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:07:35am

Cease fire...we'll have to get back to you on that...but we're taking it underadvisement.

23 Abu Maven  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:11:20am

Just a Grunt,

Yeah, I don't know why we are not discussing the US-French resolution? I am baffled by it. Why would Israel agree to a ceasefire unless it were guaranteed the return of its soldiers, Hezbollah disarmed, etc?

Is this just posturing by the US/Fr to say, "Hey, we gave Hezbollah a shot, they refused to accept the conditions, now go get 'em"? I wish, but my guess is no.

24 quark2  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:11:43am

Hiding? Hell the sob is doing all his bravado
from Damascus! Instead of flattening Beirut,
the Israelis should go right for Syria and
the chinless one, making Damascus into a parking lot.

25 Boot Hill  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:14:14am

sounds like someone want to have their cake and eat it too.

the hez have known all along what would stop this but chose this path anyway.

I believe Israel should cease fire when there is no hez left.

26 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:14:19am

No truce until Nasrallah surrenders himself to be tried for war crimes!

27 Obi-wan  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:15:11am

#23 Abu Maven

Wrong! All failures will be blamed on Israel.

As usual.

28 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:15:56am

muslim when you don't defend yourself:

Die infidel dog !

muslim when you defend yourself:

Peace !

/same as any crap I have met in the streets...

29 Abu Maven  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:16:24am

Obi-wan,

No way. Bolton would never sell out Israel like that. That's why this is so interesting.

30 jjag  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:16:46am

Hassan Nasrallah: "I want to say to our Lebanese people, the peoples of our nation, and the world, and to be very clear: What has happened since the first day of this war, and is still happening, even today - the killing, massacres, destruction, brutality, and barbarism - the ones responsible for all this are, first and foremost, Bush and his American administration. In our opinion, [Israeli Prime Minister Ehud] Olmert and his government are no more than tools in this war.


Sounds just like a liberal/Democrat, no?

Its Bush's fault! Its Bush's fault!
He made us fire rockets indiscriminately ....for years....

31 grayp  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:17:48am

#21 JaG

#16 Warbicycle


Hesbollah's leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah and Hadhi Army leader Moqtada Sadr are cousins.

Is this true or just exageration?

I don't know about that, but Nasrallah studied with al-Sadr's father in Iraq.

The editor in chief of Kuwait's Arab Times thinks Nasrallah is an idiot.

HASSAN Nasrallah is in a quagmire. If, according to his own statements, Nasrallah knew Israel would attack Lebanon between September and November, if he was aware the Zionist enemy was ready for war and if he had received this information, which even the Pentagon and CIA could not receive, why did he give Israel an opportunity to launch the war before time by kidnapping two of its soldiers? Nasrallah has called for the beginning of a second phase of this war.

Nasrallah, who is being remote-controlled by Iran and Syria, believes he is in the mold of many Arab leaders. But the fact is he is playing with fire.

32 pat  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:17:58am

On another front, Cuba prepares for an invasion. Apparently in celebration of Casto's stable condition. Cubans have now gone 10 days without a 3 hour serenade by El Presedente on the wonders of Cuba.

33 Abu Maven  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:18:06am

... The brutal Zionists forced us to invade and take Israeli soldiers prisoner.

/Nas-meister

34 Obi-wan  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:19:01am

#29 Abu Maven

I know Bolton will never sell out.

I'm talking about the Fwench and the rest of the cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

35 CommonSense  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:19:49am

Must be time to re-arm his posse of [bigoted word]s

36 Abu Maven  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:20:01am

Obi-wan,

But it is a *joint* US-French agreement. As I said, very interesting...

37 tunnelrat  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:24:43am

I seem to remember a certain democrat who claimed that "if I had been elected, this war would not have happened".
Right.
That man takes himself much too seriously.

38 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:24:58am

#30 JJag

Nazirallah:"... the ones responsible for all this are, first and foremost, Bush and his American administration."

Yes, in these weeks I've been very proud I voted for Bush.

Nazirallh anyway has a BDS. He should look for help.

Counseling at least.

39 Obi-wan  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:25:00am

#36 Abu Maven

Very true. Trust the Fwench to have ulterior motives and look for them to undercut the US position at the first opportunity.

I think they're playing to their arab population, trying not to have their throats slit in the middle of the night.

40 gymnast  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:26:19am

The only way for an Arab Army to deal with the realities of the logistics needed to sustain operations is through a cease fire allowing them to rearm. Right now Hizballah has been virtually reduced to a pack of scavenging foragers. In a few days they will be reduced to a pack of shit eating dogs.

41 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:27:33am

IMO, Israel can cease firing when they have eliminated the threats arrayed against them.

42 M. Bensson-Levi  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:29:08am

#40 gymnast

In a few days they will be reduced to a pack of shit eating dogs.

What? They didn't start out that way?

43 RepJ  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:29:10am

They must need to regroup and reload.

44 Middle-Earth  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:29:48am

Ohh, he's really desperate.

Go, and prove your love to Lebanon over there. [US and Europa - ME] Raise your voice over there. Be real men, if only for a single day, over there, in order to save your thrones, and to save whatever is left of your honor.

And firing mortars into Syria

Earlier, six mortar shells were fired from Lebanon towards the Golan Heights. The shells cleared their target and landed in Syrian territory.

The IDF assessed that the launch - the second that landed in Syria in the past 24 hours - was meant to encourage Damascus to join the fight against Israel

He knows he's dead.

45 Greg  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:32:47am

Hudna...very good....gives the IDF a little more time to hunt down Nasrallah and put a bullet in his ear...

Fox radio news is hourly here pissin' on themselves like a cease fire would be good news...just time for Hez-Ebola to be re-armed by Iran and Syria.

46 Hucbald  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:33:34am

"Hizbulla Secretary-General..."

Interesting that he chose for himself the same title that the UN head honcho uses. And telling.

47 M. Bensson-Levi  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:34:58am

#43 RepJ

They must need to regroup and reload.

Let's not forget recruit!

Just occurred to me...I wonder what their losses are due to desertions? Just a thought.

48 Obi-wan  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:35:37am

#46 Hucbald

He can sit in an oven, but that don't make him a biscuit.

49 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:35:55am

Keep going, IDF! NO cease-fire!

51 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:36:43am

#3 Jammie

Is that frickin' laser beam mounted on a shark's head?

52 zuckerlilly  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:36:44am

An official with knowledge of the document said the draft calls for a "full cessation of violence" between Israel and Hezbollah, but would allow Israel the right to launch strikes if Hezbollah attacks it.

"It does not say immediate cessation of violence," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the draft had not yet been made public.

That appeared to be a major victory for the U.S. and Israel. France and many other nations had demanded an immediate and halt to violence without conditions as a way to push the region back toward stability.

The French presidential palace in Paris said a deal was reached on a resolution that seeks a total halt to hostilities and would work toward a permanent cease-fire and a long-term solution.

The full 15-nation Security Council was expected to meet later Saturday to discuss the resolution, and it was likely to be adopted in the next couple of days, Bolton said.

(Source: NYT)

53 Nahanni  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:40:07am

I guess he must be running out of rockets and the bus loads of jihadis coming from Iran can't get there because all the bridges are down.

54 Hucbald  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:42:34am

#48 Obi

But they're both half-baked? ;^)

55 Midwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:43:14am

The only long term solution that will end in peace is the elimination of the terrorists and their supporters.

56 right wing zephyr  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:44:13am

If Israel defies or ignores this BS French-US agreement, what then?

I guess the international community's answer to islamofascist terror is documents of cease-fire.

Let's just hope they're that innocuous when the caliphate asks them to answer the Jewish problem again.

57 RadicalRon  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:47:25am

Nazirallah must have found out that the 72 virgins are all clones of Helen Thomas, Hillary Ilyich and Barney Frank.

Or, that the Joooooos plan on sending him straight to Hell - covered with pig fat.

58 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:48:03am

Yalla Ya Nas'rallah

59 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:48:31am

I agree with those who said the potentail UN cease-fire call is interesting.

Bolton knows the Hezbos can't stop firing for long. So, any cease-fire will be broken shortly, by the Hezbolosers allowing Israel to resume full-operations to defend herself.

Minor PR victory (hey, we stopped... they started it again!), giving Israel more cover to really get the job done in time.

60 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:50:04am

[Link: www.investors.com...]

Check out Cartoon Number 7..

Michael Ramirez.. my new favorite political cartoonist

/Hat Tip RTLM

61 HBob  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:52:47am

This is one of those times where UN foot dragging is a good thing.
This situation requires more and more talking - and IDF strikes - me thinks.

62 WarBicycle  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:53:14am

#21 Just a Grunt

Apparently it's true; I read a few days ago they are distant cousins. Iran is controlling both of them.

63 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:54:31am

To all our Israeli posters and lurkers...

Dear Israelis

You are in my thoughts and prayers, that God hold you close and protect you, my brave Israeli friends.

Amalie

64 jester6  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:55:10am

BushCo is playing chess with Russia, Germany, Italy, France and Spain on this issue. That is why Bolton is working on a resolution with the French. We are about to suck them into this war for real.

Whether Israel stops today or in two weeks will not matter in six months if it results in Germany, Italy, France, Russia and Spain with troops standing toe to toe with Hezbollah. The strategic goal is to get these other countries actively involved. If this really is analog to 1938 we need to do everything we can to get our team into the thick of the fight now.

Best case, these countries come under attack by the Islamists and they start to fight back. Worst case these countries come under attack by the Islamists, they retreat, but sympathy towards the Islamists is seriously eroded in the European populace. In either case the Europeans are about to join the team.

This is about much more than a few hundred rockets and two kidnapped soldiers.

65 moonsbreath  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:55:31am

No cease-fire.

66 little boomer  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:56:39am

I think

Cease fire-no
Unconditional Surrender-yes

67 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:57:27am

64 jester6

I never looked at it that way. That's very true.

68 descolada9  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:57:55am

Ceasefire when Nasrallah is dead. Not a moment sooner.

69 Kirly  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:58:18am

Amalie,

Not sure which one is #7.

Kirly

70 Nordish12  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:59:27am

British Hizballah supporters stamp / spit on Bush placard.

This, and more, will be released in a brand new Moonbat Media report within an hour or so.

71 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:59:36am

I thought Nas'rallah was Iran's boy. Why would he be reaching out to the Saudis. Iran is trying to supercede the Saudis in Middle East domination..

72 Shane  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 7:59:58am

It goes without saying he didn't mention the Israeli's dying because of his rockets.

73 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:00:25am

Kirly

The bloated UN blimp...

74 Orson Buggy  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:00:28am
75 Roger  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:00:50am

#68 descolada9

Yes, a fire that ceases Nasr'allah.

76 Kirly  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:02:20am

Thanks Amalie! That's good. I also like the Proptional response one.

77 Midwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:03:30am

#56 right wing zephyr

Israel should take any suggestion of a ceasefire under advisement and study it until 31 Aug.

78 Kirly  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:07:03am

Orson Buggy,

I've been saying for years that we're just going to suck them dry and then abandon them to kill each other.

Everybody, make your vacation this year a road trip! Use as much gas as you can. The sooner we suck them dry, the sooner they descend back into the 7th century!

Think of it as doing your part to hasten their demise.

Oh, and my charitable contribution this year will go to one of the many troop supporting charities. All of it. Unless I can legally write off a contribution to the IDF, in which case i'll split it.

79 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:07:16am

Wait a second, I have a different take on what Nas'rallah is up to.

From the link:


Hassan Nasrallah: "I want to say to our Lebanese people, the peoples of our nation, and the world, and to be very clear: What has happened since the first day of this war, and is still happening, even today - the killing, massacres, destruction, brutality, and barbarism - the ones responsible for all this are, first and foremost, Bush and his American administration. In our opinion, [Israeli Prime Minister Ehud] Olmert and his government are no more than tools in this war.

This is part of a bigger puzzle. The Islamists are pointing the finger of blame at the US with Israel as their puppet.

The big rally coming up in DC sponsored by the commie group, Answer, has a website proclaiming the US as "occupiers" of not only Iraq but also Lebanon and Palestine.

Nas'rallah is playing the sympathy card to rile up more Muslim outrage against the US

80 Abu Maven  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:08:23am

64 jester,

Interesting take, but I thought it was contemplated that the troops would be Eygptian and Turkish. Sadly, I don't think Europe joins the jihad until they get bombed a couple more times.

81 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:08:35am

76 Kirly

Your welcome. I liked the Castro Cuban Cigar and Mel Gibson one.. actually I liked them all.

Ramirez is good...

Am

82 Hucbald  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:10:25am

I count two Israeli Commando Raids deep behind enemy lines - that we know about - that resulted in the capture of "high-ranking Hizbullah leaders" and a treasure trove of actionable intel in the form of documents.

Hizbullah wants needs a little quality hudna time or else it will be completely destroyed...

Which is why we can not give them any quarter.

83 Abu Maven  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:12:27am

82 Hucbald,

The Israelis captured "tasty fishes" in one of the raids. I enjoyed that line by Olmert.

A reporter asked Olmert if they got a "big fish" during the raid, and he replied, "they are tasty fishes."

84 big L  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:13:54am

Hmmm, now nasrallah is Secretary General?
He wan't called that before.
Pehaps not only will he get a seat at the UN, but maybe he will replace Koffi anan as Secretary -General of the UN.

Looks like the press-POSes are trying to elevate Nasralla as a potentate...

85 Spiny Norman  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:14:59am

OT:

John Bolton, in an amazing Neville Chamberlaine impersonation, agrees to let Hizballah have the Sheba Farms Sudetenland and allow the UN to "monitor" the peace.

That's just fuckin' great.

U.S., France OK U.N. Mideast truce pact

Other principles spelled out in the resolution include the disarmament of Hezbollah; the creation of a buffer zone from the U.N.-demarcated border between Israel and Lebanon north to the Litani River; and the delineation of Lebanon's borders, especially in the disputed Chebaa Farms area.

The resolution would call for the current U.N. force in Lebanon, known by its acronym UNIFIL, to monitor the cessation in fighting. Once Israel and Lebanon have agreed to the series of principles, the Security Council would then authorize a new peacekeeping force for the region.

Hand over the Sheba Farms and you can return to the original status quo. How could Israel turn that down?

86 Daisy  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:16:04am

# 7 mkultra

"Yes the whole world lusts for a cease fire. As long as the Jews are kicking Arab ass. "

Righty-O

87 markmc  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:16:33am

What in hell is the US "negotiating" with the Hezbollah terrorists for? Tlee Nasrallah we''l catch his wake. Let Israel curb stomp the shitheads.

88 WarBicycle  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:17:52am

Just_a_Grunt

[Link: www.benadorassociates.com...]

Source regarding Hasarally and Sadr related.

89 One_Shot_One_Kill  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:18:01am
In a few days they will be reduced to a pack of shit eating dogs.

Hezbollic Coprophagia?

"Abdul, I like how you use the corn for texture."

/Cheech (or was it Chong?)

90 Midwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:18:45am

#85 Spiny Norman

The devil is in the details and the timing of each action. If Hizbollocks has to be disarmed before the talk commences over Sheeba Farms the resoltion would be dead on arrival.

91 Spiny Norman  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:20:54am

#90 Midwest

The devil is in the details and the timing of each action. If Hizbollocks has to be disarmed before the talk commences over Sheeba Farms the resoltion would be dead on arrival.

By the UN standards, the Lebanese government has already done that.

92 NoSubmission  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:24:29am

#50 Pastorius

Must be Gaarder's 'twinkling brown-eyed world of awe':


"Every day every day every day ev-er-y day I feel amazed by the existence of life.

[Link: www.ncf.carleton.ca...]

93 tigger2005  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:25:52am

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Cry to those using babies
By Naomi Ragen

My son is in the army. He is not the type at all, believe me. Quiet, studious, a writer, a lover of Jewish history, Talmud, ethics. He spent two years in a pre-army program in the Galilee called Karmei Hayil. He made many good friends there from all over the country, and now he and all his friends are in the army.

One of them I know well. A bit chubby, with payot (sidelocks) and a great laugh. He and my son have become like brothers. While both of them tried out for the elite paratroopers unit, only his friend made it in. He and his unit are the ones in Lebanon. They were there over a week, fighting under horrific conditions, running out of food and water. Even though the Israel Air Force dropped tons of leaflets warning civilians to flee because they were in terrorist territory and likely to be injured, they still encountered civilians.

My son spoke to his friend yesterday, and this is how he described it: "The village looked empty, and then we heard noises coming from one of the houses, so we opened fire. But when we went inside, we found two women and a child huddled in the corner of the room. We were so relieved we hadn't hurt them. We took up base in one of the empty houses. And then all of a sudden, we came under intense fire. Three rockets were fired at the house we were in. Only one managed to destroy a wall, which fell on one of us, covering him in white dust, but otherwise not hurting him.

Advertisement

"I spent the whole time feeding bullets to my friend who was shooting nonstop. We managed to kill 26 terrorists. Not one of us was hurt. Our commanding officer kept walking around, touching everybody on the shoulder, smiling and encouraging us: 'We're are better than they are. Don't worry.' It calmed us all down. And really, we were much better than them. They are a lousy army. They only win when they hide behind baby carriages."

Please remember this when you hear about the "atrocity" of the Israeli bomb that killed many civilians in Kafr Qana, a place from which Hezbollah has fired hundreds of rockets at Israel. Unlike previous administrations, Mr. Olmert has my respect when he says: "They were warned to leave. It is the responsibility of Hezbollah for firing rockets amid civilians."

... read it all.

94 NoSubmission  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:30:56am

Senior Saudi sheikh: Hizbullah – party of Satan

Sheikh Safar al-Hawali, in past teacher of Bin Laden, issues fatwa forbidding support of any kind of Hizbullah organization, which is not 'Party of God,' but 'Party of Satan'
Associated Press

A senior Saudi religious figure, Sheikh Safar al-Hawali, published a fatwa establishing that "Hizbullah is not the 'Party of God' (the meaning of Hizbullah in Arabic), but the 'Party of Satan.'"

Al-Hawali is considered an extreme religious figure in Saudi Arabia. In the past Osama Bin Laden was among his students.


In the fatwa published on al-Hawali's website, it was written that it is forbidden to pray for Hizbullah, or to support the organization in any way. Al-Hawali's position, from the Wahhabi stream in Saudi Arabia, exemplifies the prevailing historic rift between Sunnis and Shiites , who, in the eyes of the Wahhabists are apostates.

The Wahhabists seek to cleanse Islam from innovations and deviations, which, according to them, violate Islam at its core, such as worshipping holy men and their graves, or decoration of mosques. The controversy between Sunnis and Shiites is not absolute. For example, the Sunni Muslim Brothers in Egypt have declared their support of Hizbullah.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

95 barnaclebill  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:33:21am

Now I'm really confused. I thought that the US was just a puppet of the Zionist Regime. Get your story straight.

96 _remembertonyc  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:35:19am

just saw mark ginsburg on fox and he said that even if this french/US resolution moves things forward, there could be 10 more days of fighting before anything on the ground really changes.

is it possible that is all israel asked the US for?

OT ... if anyone wants to hear some great discussion of these issues while you are on line, go to [Link: www.mikesradioworld.com,...] click on news/talk stations and click on wabc radio ... Monica Crowley is on and she is brilliant.

97 solomonpanting  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:40:22am

"O, my Brothers of Islam
Our initial incursion was a scam
From the couse of action we wish to choose
Was not expected from the Jews
A real cease-fire is what we need
As all we do is die and bleed
It's readily apparent what we must do
For we bit off more than we can chew"

98 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:42:03am

Charles, this might be the perfect thread to illustrate again with that photo of Nasrallah nervously mopping his brow. Seeing as he´s apparently feeling a bit, ah, nervous lately. Heh.

99 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:43:31am

OT:

From "The Best Page in the Universe":

There is no 9/11 conspiracy you morons

100 saywhat?  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:45:03am
Hizbullah Secretary-General Nasrallah Calls on Arab Leaders to Promote Ceasefire in Meetings With US.

Uh, Nasrallah . . .after you. . .you stop shelling first. Until then ya better duck . . .bombs away IAF!

God bless the IAF, IDF and the Israeli people.

101 mattm  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:45:10am

I guess he just realized that they are loosing.

102 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:47:07am

#95 barnaclebill,

Now I'm really confused. I thought that the US was just a puppet of the Zionist Regime. Get your story straight.

You beat me to it. I thought Joooos controlled the world and Neocon Joooos controlled the Bush Administration? I tell you, that George W. never ceases to amaze me. Always operating in the shadows.

And I got to tell my Jewish brothers and sisters, this right-wing infidel of the Book and Okie from Muskogee rednek has really enjoyed being a Zionist these last two years. Feel like you guys and gals have been a real blessing to my life.

Shalom! But not for your enemies. Turn the screws a little tighter and maybe will see the gophers start poking their heads out of the hole. I got my shovel ready to cave some draped skulls!

103 Spiny Norman  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:47:16am

#96 _remembertonyc

just saw mark ginsburg on fox and he said that even if this french/US resolution moves things forward, there could be 10 more days of fighting before anything on the ground really changes.

is it possible that is all israel asked the US for?

Maybe so. Maybe, also, the Bush Administration is try to make the Democrat Senators opposed to Bolton's confirmation, on the grounds that he is not "diplomatic", look like idiots (not much of a stretch) when he works out an agreement with the freakin' French, of all people.

It still looks too much like Munich, though.

104 Da_Beerfreak  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:47:46am
#61 HBob 8/5/2006 09:52AM PDT
This is one of those times where UN foot dragging is a good thing.
This situation requires more and more talking - and IDF strikes - me thinks.

I’m looking forward to watching Bolton play the UN like a cheap fiddle.

105 The Other Les  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:48:23am
106 PETN Sandwich  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:50:15am
U.S., France Agree on Draft Cease-Fire Resolution

With headlines like this, no wonder few have a clue what is going on in the ME.

As an American, the first thing I think when seeing such a headline is, "Fuck the vichey, accept nothing less than unconditional surrender from then damn frogs!"

107 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:50:23am
108 Midwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:53:06am

#91 Spiny Norman

If the UN says it, it must be so.

/sarc off

109 mich-again  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:55:06am

I can't believe these excerpts from the story posted haven't been pasted here yet. Hilarious stuff. I love Arab-speak.

You have abandoned your moral and national responsibility, out of fear for your thrones. But in the New Middle East, you will have no thrones, and there is no certainty that you will even have countries. Your states will be divided, by the map of the New Middle East, into cantons and midget-states, on the basis of religion, sects, and race. That large country will not remain a large country, that rich country will not remain a rich country, thrones will not remain thrones, and seats will not remain seats. For your own sake, for the sake of your thrones, I say to you: Combine your humanity with your thrones, and act...

Midget states? Combine your humanity with your throne?

110 _remembertonyc  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 8:55:28am

103 Spiny Norman ...

Maybe so. Maybe, also, the Bush Administration is try to make the Democrat Senators opposed to Bolton's confirmation, on the grounds that he is not "diplomatic", look like idiots (not much of a stretch) when he works out an agreement with the freakin' French, of all people.

It still looks too much like Munich, though.
======
Making the Dems look like fools requires no effort at all by the Republicans. As for echoes of Munich, I can see why you might feel that way. And I am totally on the side of Bush in his war in islamofascism.

But I give the administration credit for this much. They have allowed Israel to do their thing for a month. And since iran started this thing in order to divert attention from its nuke development, perhaps Bush & Co decided it was time to return the world's attention to the iran issue. And since something is clearly brewing in tehran around the 8/22 date, maybe Bush wants to cool things down in lebanon and heat things up on the iran issue.

Just my $0.02!

111 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:05:00am

#97 solomonpanting,

I saw your work last night. Very impressed. You self-taught because anyone that makes furniture is a top-of-the-line carpenter in my book.

Would be curious how you learned the trade.

112 DistantThunder  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:07:39am

By their fruits, ye shall know them - Jesus Christ

113 Adrenalyn  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:08:47am

I just don't see why Israel has not formally declared war on Lebanon and Iran (who admits supplying His-Ebola and just nuked Tehran and Beirut and be done.

114 EE  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:15:30am

In the short run, Nasrallah wants a cease fire that creates a power vacuum so that he can rearm and acquire a resupply of missiles, as well as newer more dangerous missiles. He wants to restore Hizballah's missile menace to the status quo ante, what it was before Israel started to degrade Hizballah's missile capability.

In the long run, the average rate at which Hizballah fires missiles at Israel depends mainly on the average rate at which Hizballah gets resupplied with missiles. So the problem of preventing resupply has to be addressed.

Either Israel will need the right to knock out convoys from Syria carrying resupplies of missiles, even during an arrangement in which international forces are in place, or those international forces need to be armed and have the mandate and the will and ability to stop that resupply. Or else Israel will have to resort to depleting the missiles one at a time when they are set up to fire at Israel, which is the last desperate way to stop the missiles from being fired.

Better to stop the missiles while they are enroute to Hizballah, and they are much more vulnerable for a longer period of time and not embedded in residential areas, than to wait until they are about to be fired and use those few seconds or minutes to try to knock them out before they are fired.

115 The Boodge  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:16:49am

Sounds like somebody's in over their head! I hope Israel goes ahead and finishes these bastards off! The only ceasefire will be the one that puts and end to islamo thug bull shit!

116 # 17  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:18:09am

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Senior state officials in Jerusalem referred to the draft resolution that was being formed at the United Nations Security Council regarding a cessation of violence between Israel and Hizbullah. The officials said that the decision on Israel's stance would be made "within days or weeks."

117 LaMano  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:22:37am

Nasrallah, demonstrate your honor about screwing up so badly by putting a bullet through your temple.

Then, we may talk.

118 Spiny Norman  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:23:24am

#116 # 17

The officials said that the decision on Israel's stance would be made "within days or weeks."

In other words, don't call us, we'll call you.

119 sms111  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:23:48am

Gettin' a little hot in the kitchen for ya, eh, Naz, you fat goat-f'king scumbag terrorist, eh?

120 Irene NYC  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:23:54am

Nasrallah is a distant cousin of Sadr. But didn't we already know that all cockroaches are related to one other?

Amir Taheri wrote a terrific piece in the JPost where he mentioned this little known and salient fact.

121 LaMano  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:24:35am

I haven't heard them cry 'uncle' yet.

122 sms111  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:26:00am

It occurs to me that whatever else is in the MSM about this war with few exceptions is untrustworthy and irrelevant.

The real pulse of this war can be measured by this asshole's pleas for ceasefire. Period.

123 The Duke  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:26:59am

#50 Pastorius


Dutch paper, Aftenposten: Jewish state is a crime against humanity.



The Norge Aftenposten is Not Dutch bro , far from that it's a Norwegian tabloid ....

Remember Norway is a part of Scandanavia along with Sweden , and not part of Europe as Holland lies just to the left of Germany and is part of Europe ...

It is about 800 miles distance by car between Holland and Norway

Time for a bit of a topography lesson .....

124 NogenDavid  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:27:06am

#114 Because, even if there were no horrible political consequences for Israel - and there would be - Jews are moral people who would not engage in indiscriminate killing of civilians.

Think about it: is there actually a Arab or Muslim in the world who ever worries at night about an Israeli first strike? Or even the use of Israeli nuclear weapons except in response to an imminent anihilation of Israel?

Strange. Despite all the villification of Israel, its worst enemies take for granted that it is constrained by respect for life. Indeed, some, like Nasrallah, have openly said this is a weakness.

What if the situation were reversed, and any of Israel's neighbours had a nuclear weapon and Israel or not. Would any resident of Israel not be terrified?

As for the the pending call for a ceasire, how would Israel be able to stop reinforcement and resupply of surrounded Hezbollah pockets? Will the resolution call for an immediate halt to shipment of military material to Hezbollah by state actors? Anyone have any info or insight on this?

At outcome where French troops are actually charged with disarming Hezbollah in the buffer zone is appealing in some respects. But how would a French government withstanding the domestic backlash if French troops ever actually fired on Lebanese terrorists? Took them months to have the gumption to display force against largely unarmed rioters in the suburbs of Paris.

125 sms111  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:28:32am

#116

Senior state officials in Jerusalem referred to the draft resolution that was being formed at the United Nations Security Council regarding a cessation of violence between Israel and Hizbullah. The officials said that the decision on Israel's stance would be made "within days or weeks."

Lovely response. Kinda has that "go fuck yourselves" attitude embedded, doesn't it?

126 Da_Beerfreak  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:29:06am

Here’s an observation of my own.
[Broad-brush warning!]

Simply put I see people falling into one of two groups.
The first group is the evil must be fought group.
The second group is the all fighting is evil group.
It is not hard to see who falls into which group and why we are having problems figuring out what has to be done and then doing it.

The appeasers are all to willing to sacrifice anything and anyone for peace.
They do not realize that what they do in the name of peace makes the war they wish to avoid inevitable.

127 sms111  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:31:12am

113 Adrenalyn

I just don't see why Israel has not formally declared war on Lebanon and Iran (who admits supplying His-Ebola and just nuked Tehran and Beirut and be done.

It will likely come to this. Just not yet.

128 sms111  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:32:33am

#126

The appeasers are all to willing to sacrifice anything and anyone and Jew and any Jewish country for peace.

There, fixed that for ya.

129 solomonpanting  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:34:14am

111 goodbye_natalie

Thank you for your kind remarks.
Years ago, while living in the Eureka, CA. area, I met someone who needed help on a carpentry project. I obliged, and, one thing leading to another, worked with him for a couple of years, learning some of the basics, but most of all, I learned attitude toward the work. I can't overstate that enough.
This fellow, this mentor, was not just a carpenter, but a craftsman, a jewler, leather worker, dabbling in block printing, and part-time philosopher.:) I learned he had been in the Navy, stationed off the coast of Vietnam, among other places. He eventually left to live in Seattle and I took what I had been able to glean and basically, learned by doing. I just needed someone to point me in a useful direction.
So some operation might take an extra five minutes or one hour? Someone will always tell me I can do something faster. Maybe, but generally not resulting in the look or feel I'm after. What is an extra five minutes or one hour in the life of a project?
Years ago I built a patio cover for someone and notched all of the beams that supported the structure, making "pocket joints" with 4"x10" and 4"x12" beams. A neighbor was observing my work and said "You know, you were born a hundred years too late." Sometimes, I believe he was correct.
Thanks for indulging me. I'll be back later.

130 Omega  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:34:32am

I'm sensing an ass-kicking.....

131 EE  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:35:22am

#40 gymnast

The only way for an Arab Army to deal with the realities of the logistics needed to sustain operations is through a cease fire allowing them to rearm.

Excellent observation concerning the situation that Hizballah is finding itself in, or will find itself in.

Israel has supply lines that are intact, and that will remain intact because the IDF is removing all Hizballah pockets as it advances. Hizballah depends on a cease fire to get resupplied. Israel can fight a sustained war. Hizballah cannot.

Those who don't want to see Hizballah smashed are demanding a premature cease fire. It would be a big mistake from the anti-terror point of view to have a premature cease fire without effective provision for preventing the resupply of Hizballah. And I don't mean the UNIFIL blue helmets or some such toothless UN contingent. They are not going to be willing or able or have a mandate to stop the resupply.

132 Nordish12  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:37:36am

British Muslims chant: "Hizbullah! Hizbullah! We are all Hizbullah!".

Full report on its way!

133 Thor-Zone  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:40:04am

Sounds as if teh IDF is kicking Nasrallah's butt. When it starts to get rough the Islamofacisits start crying. I hope the IDF has the time to clean these bums out before world political pressure makes them stop.

134 Buckaroo  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:40:39am

# 132 N

You rock!

Stay safe and keep up the great work!

/hey Londonstan -- there's a new citizen journalist in town!

135 FriarsTale  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:41:26am

12 babbazee
yallah ya nasrallah is awesome!

136 jpsfudimo  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:42:51am

OT:
From Ken Mehlman's speech the other day.

We have met many times since I became RNC Chairman more than a year and a half ago.


We have talked about many things, from nationwide strategies to precinct-level tactics …


…from controversial issues like immigration to universal ones like helping the victims of Hurricane Katrina.


Now we meet together for the last time before the election.


Ninety-five days from now, the American people will make their choice.


Which is why today, I want to talk to you about the stakes on November 7, why our work for the next 95 days is so urgent.


But the truth is you don’t really need me to tell you this.


Because the headlines tell the story every single day.


We see it in the 4,000 missiles launched at Israel by terrorists who hide among the civilian population in Lebanon.


We see it in the 180 civilians murdered in India last month as they were on their way to work in the morning.


We see it in the 12 children and young adults killed this week while playing soccer in Baghdad


We see it in the terrorist plots uncovered in recent months alone in London … Toronto … and New York City.


We see it in the video of Americans in Miami pledging their allegiance to Al Qaeda …

Read the whole thing

137 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:44:22am

I'm shocked. Shocked I tells ya!

HRW says Hizbullah is committing war crimes by firing into civlian areas and must stop immediately. Good luck with that...

Okay, which lizard hacked into HRW to produce that result?! Whoever you are deserves a case of beer!

A Brazilian nation was killed fighting for Hizbullah.

138 TrueKatipunero  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:45:29am

No time out!

The world must not be taken by this classic cease-fire taqquiya taught to this Islamists by none other than Mo' ham (pig)' mad. Now is the time to completely annihilate N'ass' rAllah and his band of Hiz' butt' Allah to join Y' ass' her Are' fat who is still wandering in hell looking for his 80 virgins.

139 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:45:38am

You can always measure how well Israel is doing on the battlefield when the most immediate perp is crying 'uncle' to his Arab brethern. This is very encouraging! Go Israel, smash em. Not let up!

140 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:47:16am

Friars Tale

;~P

141 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:48:13am

132 Nordish12
God Bless you Nordish!

142 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:49:35am
#106 PETN Sandwich

U.S., France Agree on Draft Cease-Fire Resolution

With headlines like this, no wonder few have a clue what is going on in the ME.

As an American, the first thing I think when seeing such a headline is, "Fuck the vichey, accept nothing less than unconditional surrender from then damn frogs!"

Oh, I think you've no worry there. For starters, this is a draft resolution that has yet to pass the security council. That alone is probably not going to happen in a single day. This spat over this particular resolution was ceasefire first, disarm second (if ever) - French, and the opposite - USA. I suspect Bolton did not give in much.


And then too, the Israelis and the Lebanese government and Hizballah all have to agree to the terms. If there is no agreement then the resolution means nothing. Israeli has already clearly stated that as long as the rockets keep coming and the soldiers are not returned they will not agree to a ceasefire.

I can't see the US allowing a resolution condemning Israel because that would set up literally every government in the world to put up with invasions from any and all comers with no response allowed. Ain't happening, if for no other reason than we at least have a couple of folks in office with some common sense.

143 Irene NYC  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:51:19am

The draft UN ceasefire makes provisions that:

"there will be no weapons or authority in Lebanon other than that of the Lebanese state;"

and that the parties agree to the

"establishment of an international embargo on the sale or supply of arms and related material to Lebanon except as authorized by its government;

"elimination of foreign forces in Lebanon without the consent of its government;"

Personally, I think they should have written "elimination of all Muslim and/or non-state foreign forces or advisors or bridegrooms in Lebanon." But hey, that's just me!

144 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:53:53am

O/T but not really
One of my favorites:

Reb Shlomo Carlebach Concert in Russia 1989

[Link: 613.org...]

145 sms111  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:54:30am

Um, Charles, a little investigation into why this video is rated #42 at [Link: video.google.com...] :

Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land
1 hr 19 min

Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land provides a striking comparison of U.S. and international media coverage of the crisis in the Middle East, zeroing in on how structural distortions in U.S. coverag...

Seems a little odd that this 1-hr 19-min piece is stuck in there with short, goofy things like "Spring Break Mishap", "Incredible Legs", and "Fire Fart"...

146 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:57:50am

I just saw on Fox that the USA and Fwance have agreed to terms for a a ceasefire.

Why?

Are we at war with fwance?

If so then we should wait a few days...fwance always surrenders.

/sarc

I think fwance and everybody else should keep their noses out of this conflict and let the Israelis settle things once and for all.

147 Hucbald  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:57:59am

#99 Canuck (I'm a transplanted Newfie BTW)...

Thank you so much for that hilarious link.

"Watching this video is like being bukakked with stupid."

I'm still laughing and wiping tears off my cheeks!

Oh, G-d... help... I can't stop laughing. ;^D

148 norar  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:58:04am

Gee ... Nassrallah had to do it alone, reliance on the peaceniks doing Hisballah's bidding for the last couple of weeks did not work, obviously.

Of course, the useful idiots did not even suspect they were being manipulated by the terrorist bosses.

The peaceniks will not get it any time soon, that allowing the islamaniacs to manipulate them as crudely as they do discredits them greatly. After all there were no any comparable "peace" demonstrations when far more people were murdered in Chechnia, Rwanda, and are continued being murdered in Sudan. So the notion that these "peace" demonsrations demonstrate anything other than antisemitism, together with its younger hatered-rich brother anti-Americanism, wear thiner with each demo.

149 Irene NYC  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:58:20am

#125 sms111


Lovely response. Kinda has that "go fuck yourselves" attitude embedded, doesn't it?

Yup. Major payback time to Kofi and his cohorts. Looks like the Israelis are finally using Iranian tactics, i.e., it doesn't always pay to be a fine, upstanding, law-abiding member of the international community.

Sometimes you need to be viewed as an irrational player to get respect.

GO IDF!

150 sms111  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:58:59am

#145 addendum:

This "high rated" film on google is about:


Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land provides a striking comparison of U.S. and international media coverage of the crisis in the Middle ... all » East, zeroing in on how structural distortions in U.S. coverage have reinforced false perceptions of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. This pivotal documentary exposes how the foreign policy interests of American political elites--oil, and a need to have a secure military base in the region, among others--work in combination with Israeli public relations strategies to exercise a powerful influence over how news from the region is reported. Through the voices of scholars, media critics, peace activists, religious figures, and Middle East experts, Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land carefully analyzes and explains how--through the use of language, framing and context--the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza remains hidden in the news media, and Israeli colonization of the occupied terrorities appears to be a defensive move rather than an offensive one. The documentary also explores the ways that U.S. journalists, for reasons ranging from intimidation to a lack of thorough investigation, have become complicit in carrying out Israel's PR campaign. At its core, the documentary raises questions about the ethics and role of journalism, and the relationship between media and politics.

151 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 9:59:49am

145 sms 111

see my post on this from the other day
I think you will find it interesting

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

152 American Jewess in Jerusalem  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:00:22am

I know I'm not very knowledgeable about politics, but I try to learn, and this one has me really stumped: the US and France just agreed on a ceasefire deal, which hinges upon Lebanon gaining total control of the country in the expectation that she will do a better job this time monitoring her borders. But . . . Lebanese soldiers are firing on Israeli soldiers and both are getting killed in the process. So . . . . since it appears that the Lebanese army is supporting Hezbullah, then why would the US agree to a ceasefire deal that puts Lebanon in control?

I'm confoozed. Help me.

Also, why would we agree to UN "peacekeeping forces" littering the border area when they have never done anything in the past except help Hezbullah set up camp?

153 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:04:05am

#152 AJ

I don't see where fwance or the USA has any business dictating terms for a ceasefire.

Let Israel finish this.

154 Manker  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:04:26am

OT:

An excellent article, while named "Who Won", I believe it should be more aptly named Sharon's Legacy

Instead we saw an over-reliance on air power that brought to mind military thinker Giulio Douhet, who is widely recognized as the prophet of the warplane's supremacy in the battlefield and of strategic bombing's decisiveness in winning wars. While pioneering, this Italian general's insights were conceived in the wake of World War I, and were already considered anachronistic before the end of World War II, which demonstrated that wars are won on the ground.

Judging by what we have seen so far, either the General Staff failed to recognize this simple fact or, worse, it just did not anticipate and prepare for an order to swiftly defeat Hizbullah.

HOPEFULLY, this war's aftermath will still be shaped by, and remembered for, a very inventive last act - but if it isn't, one of its conclusions may well have to be that Ariel Sharon's experimental appointment of a pilot as chief of staff has been a failure.

Personally I believe that whenever this war ends, their should be three steps taken immediately

1.The entirety of the IDF's top echleon MUST BE SACKED. The innovative leaders waiting in the wings who were passed over because of their political point of views should be brought in to replace them.

2. Olmert voted out, Netanyahu or Lieberman in .

3. THEL and trophy should be the top priority of the IDF. There should be a completion date and we should be ready to immediately have it placed in Sderot, and then onto the rest of the north.

155 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:05:50am

Debate between Kahane and Olmert from 20+ years ago:

156 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:07:22am

#152 American Jewess in Jerusalem:

Excellent questions. And as this document was written by diplomats, nothing has to actually make sense or reflect the situation on the ground. Diplomats love to write things and think that everything is about process.

The agreement between the US and France sounds like a huge deal, but it isn't. It's simply two of the 15 members of the Security Council agreeing on language that will be presented to the rest of the members.

It could still get shot down or modified, etc. Or facts could change on the ground substantially. Israel or Hizbullah or Lebanon could reject the terms.

In other words, it's the process.

All the while, Israel continues to destroy Hizbullah were it finds 'em, and continues to take casualties from Hizbullah rockets. Those are the facts on the ground that count.

Not a paper signed between a couple of diplomats.

157 sms111  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:09:31am
45 sms 111

see my post on this from the other day
I think you will find it interesting

I would love to analyze the legitimacy of the "votes" that made thisa rated so high at google video.

I think the film "Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land" is a google plant.

158 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:09:41am
159 mkm19602000  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:11:33am

#78 Kirly

Here is the link to friends of the IDF

[Link: www.israelsoldiers.org...]

According their donation page all contributions are tax deductilbe by US law. You can help the IDF and get a tax deduction at the same time. LOL

160 guzziguy  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:11:41am

Reminds me of my police days almost 30 years ago.

Tough guy beat his wife in front of his kids and the neighbors. She had a black eye, some facial cuts and scrapes from his ring, and what looked to be a broken nose.

Toughie took a swing at me when I popped out the handcufs. As I was dribbling him out to the car he was screaming, "Sarah, he's hurting me!" I'm sure he was expecting help from someone.

Hasrallah has the same attitude. "I started this mess and now you're winning. Can't you give me a break? I really don't deserve this! Why are you picking on me?"

Israel should use him and the hezzies for an object lesson to others of the same or similar mind.

161 sms111  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:12:16am

151 BabbaZee

145 sms 111

see my post on this from the other day
I think you will find it interesting

I would love to analyze the legitimacy of the "votes" that made this 'film' rate so high at google video.

I think the film "Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land" is a google plant.

162 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:13:35am

BTW in reference to the Kahane Olmert debate I posted, where they are speaking about 700,000 Arabs in Israel proper at the time of the debate:

"Today, there are 5 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews. The latter figure is composed of 4.5 million Arabs and the remainder non-Jewish immigrants, mainly from the former Soviet Union, and foreign workers," he told the Jerusalem Post.

By the year 2020, he forecasts about 6.4 million Jews, based on population growth and an average 50,000 Jewish immigrants a year. He expects the Arab population to reach around 8.5 million, in addition to 1 million non-Jews of other origins.
[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

163 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:14:17am

#161 sms111
You do know that google video yanked "obsession"?

164 American Jewess in Jerusalem  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:16:32am

#153 totally sirius

Of course I agree with you wholeheartedly, but I still have these questions. I hope that Israel simply rejects it all out of hand.

#156 lawhawk

Thanks, you made me feel better by reminding me that this is just a couple of countries stoking their egos, thinking they can actually control events that occur between other nations. I only hope that Israel will be strong and do what she has to do.

165 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:17:20am

#158 TotallySirius
BIG MOUNTAIN IS RIPPING US OFF!


[Link: ntl.matrix.com.br...]

166 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:22:04am
167 Holographic Patriot  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:22:23am

Over on Op-For.com there is a link to a great analogy of this situation;

[Link: www.defense-training.com...]

Nasrallah, no peace for you! Well, maybe the six feet under kind.

168 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:23:41am

Well, I suppose N hopes to pick up some pacifist points by being the first to call for a hudna.

Politically, it's all lose-lose for Israel right now.

Did they, or did they not, expect to still be getting pelted with 100 katyushas a day, a week after the start of festivities? How about day 30? Did I read that some were fired from very near the Israeli border, just yesterday?

169 Buckaroo  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:24:04am

# 139 E
drybonesblog.blogspot.com...] target="_blank">

A great cartoon from years ago that illustrates this ...

170 macofromoc  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:25:45am

The Dem. Left just can't get a break. First the Zarkster eats it, now this. Not to mention Uncle Fidel is circling the drain..

171 Iron Fist  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:25:53am

#158 TotallySirius,

Once again we see people with many advanced degrees and no common sense notice that the world changes just a little every day.

It's only been doing that for about 11 billion years. It is about time the over-educated idiots noticed it.

The scary thing is that anyone takes these idiots seriously.

And that these oxygen thieves also steal grant money that could go into, well, serious research.

172 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:27:43am

May the Babes of the IDF be the ones to take Nasrallah down:

[Link: israelmilitary.net...]

173 NogenDavid  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:28:34am

The underlying political principles seem at first read to be eminently satisfactory from the perspective of fairness to Israel, but the difficulty seems to be with immediate cessation of offensive activities by Israel.

The Draft resolution seems to have a big loophole concerning resupply of Hezbollah.

The call for immediate cessation of hostilities does not make Israel's cooperation contingent on the unconditional release of prisoners or the cessation of resupply of Hezbollah operatives.

I guess Israel might argue that attacking resupply trains is not an "offensive" measure, but it will be political difficult to take this position for several positions.
The paragraph calls for a cessation of "attacks" by Hizbollah (not merely resupply) and it is in that context that the difference between offensive and defensive measures is likely to be understood by states who are measuring Israel's conduct against the resolution.

(And no, Israel cannot politically afford to simply blow off security council resolutions like this one).

Previous resolutions that are reaffirmed and the long term principles are set out are clear that Hezbollah must disarm, but the resolution can certainly be read as saying Israel must cease attacking Hezbollah positions immediately even if they are being resupplied or reinforced, and even if that is by outside forces.

Israel gets a few days - til end of Monday? - before the resolution is voted on to continue surrounding and reducing Hezbollah positions, but after that, it will probably be politically impossible to continue doing so unless Hezbollah is stupid enough to keep attaching Israel positions. (Given disruption of its command and control, do local units do so without knowing that central command wants to a period for R& R - & R (resupply)?

If Lebanon does not agree within the thirty days, I guess Israel can resume operations, but by then, Hezbollah will be in a much better positiont to resist than it is today.

Which raises a huge question: Can the Siniora government agree to the principles proposed without being overthrown by Hezbollah forces in Beirut? It would be easier for Siniora to agree while Israel is still conducting operations, but when the immediate pressure is off, will he still be able to sign on?

I guess the ideal would have been the same resolution passed four or five days from now, not today. The bright side: the sooner this ends, the sooner the focus in Lebanon shifts to internal recriminations against Hezbollah and the more easily the US and genuine allies in Europe can shift their attention to the Iranian nuclear issue.

Despite the less than ideal outcome, unlike many here, I have no criticism for Israel's cautious start to its campaign. It took the time, through its first steps, to learn about the opponent's capabilities - there were many surprisises - to test the limits of air power, and to keep its casualties down. Every lost Israeli soldier is not only a personal tragedy, but a victory for Hezbollah propagandists.

People compare this to other wars, but remember, the Infitades lasted much longer, and took a much higher death told on Israeli citizens. And this is militarily more like the Infitadehs than battles against conventional forces.

174 DesertSage  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:28:41am

#163 BabbaZee

Thank you BabbaZee. I've been trying to tell people that Google pulled "Obsession" for days.
They didn't just remove it, they made it disappear like it never really existed. I think someone got to them. Some Muslim group, and they caved in to pressure...which is easy for Google.

We should get to the bottom of this and find out what happened.

175 Allah al Fubar  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:29:13am

"um.. hello, this is Nasrallah speaking. Fat pig to home base, fat pig to home base" "Come in, home base"

"Fat pig to home base, come in, home base.. over"

"I repeat.. fat pig to home base. We are under infidel fire and are taking heavy casualties.. come in, home base".

"Okay ummm. Achmed quit pulling up my dress, I'm talking on the radio. Fat pig to home base... plea.."

BOOM BADA BOOM BOOM BOOM

Serves them right. Don't pick a fight that you can't win, asswhipe. And quit wearing a dress. And that hair piece has got to go. Bubbye, f*cker.

176 Middle-Earth  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:30:20am

#163 BabbaZee

#161 sms111
You do know that google video yanked "obsession"?

He he, its up again on google video

177 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:30:36am
#163 BabbaZee

#161 sms111
You do know that google video yanked "obsession"?

BabbaZee, the minute that Google caved in to China and censored their offerings there they made it very clear that they were for sale to the highest bidder. If they can censor in one place, they can and will censor in another. We should not be surprised in the least.

The only question is - what else are they censoring that we do not yet know about?

178 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:33:01am

#174 DesertSage
Yes it went POOF
like it NEVER WAS THERE ~
how do you think we should eal with it?
Writing them does nothing
I have written them 1,000 times in the last 5 years....
any thoughts?

179 Kirly  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:33:52am

#159 mkm19602006

Here is the link to friends of the IDF

[Link: www.israelsol......]

According their donation page all contributions are tax deductilbe by US law. You can help the IDF and get a tax deduction at the same time. LOL

That is absolutely fabulous! Thank you!

180 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:33:59am

#176 Middle-Earth
&
desert sage

THAT was easy, LOL!

they must be monitoring LGF, LOL

181 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:34:02am

#167 Holographic Patriot,

[Link: www.defense-training.com...]

Outstanding, dude!

I think Israel does know this, and in fact is doing it right now. The problem is the rest of the world, most especially the Euro-weenies, who completely reject this kind of story, true or apochryphal.

182 jdwill  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:36:58am

Baby, who are you gonna believe; me, Hannan Nasrallah , or your lying eyes ?

"To those who love Lebanon and want to help it, I say: You should pay close attention and note that the homes destroyed in Lebanon were destroyed by Israel, not by an earthquake. The people who were displaced from their homes were not displaced by a tsunami, nor by a flood, or a volcano eruption.

I’m certainly glad he cleared that up.

HN's (call to demonstrators in US):

"Go and prove your love to Lebanon over there. Raise your voice over there. Be real men, if only for a single day, over there, in order to save your thrones, and to save whatever is left of your honor. I'd like to say to the leaders of our Arab and Islamic countries that in the New Middle East there will be no place for your thrones. You have abandoned your moral and national responsibility, out of fear for your thrones.

Braaappphhh! Oops, time to get off the throne.

183 Kirly  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:38:11am

#170 macofromoc

Uncle Fidel is circling the drain..

bwahahahahahaha! I haven't quite heard it put that way before.

184 DesertSage  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:39:33am

#178 BabbaZee

I guess I spoke too soon. It's back...by popular demand!

185 RickZ  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:40:20am

# 137 lawhawk:

A Brazilian nation[al] was killed fighting for Hizbullah.

Seriously, does a dual passport make this clown a 'Brazilian'?

From your linked article:

Ibrahim Saleh, 17, died Tuesday after an Israeli airstrike, the ministry said. Saleh's mother was Brazilian, but he never visited Brazil and lived in Lebanon all his life.

186 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:41:06am

109 mich-again

For your own sake, for the sake of your thrones, I say to you: Combine your humanity with your thrones

Yes, the humanity of thrones has been long overlooked..

187 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:42:06am

#184 DesertSage

we arent nuts...... it really wasnt there
but I am thrilled that it is thre now ~

188 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:44:03am

173 Nogen David

Why do you believe the Israelis cannot afford to disregard the UN?

189 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:44:44am

Babba & Desert Sage

Obsessed with Obsession?

/Hello there!

190 Middle-Earth  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:44:50am

#180 BabbaZee

Google didn't do it.
Note the spelling "Obesssion".

LOL

191 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:46:15am

#190 Middle-Earth

HOLY MOSES, LOL!

hahahahhahahahhahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaa

too funny


{Amalie}

192 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:46:39am

Someone googled with the wrong spelling?

But doesn't Yahoo come in and ask "Did you mean "obsession?"

193 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:49:29am

No we spelled it right, it is posted under the wrong spelling........... how dare we search for something by spelling it correctly and expect to find it!
FOOLS!

194 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:50:58am

Babba

Can you do me a link to it?

195 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:51:29am

And, oh yeah...

{Babba}

:D

196 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:51:50am

[BLINK]

197 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:55:08am

#98, Occasional Reader

Charles, this might be the perfect thread to illustrate again with that photo of Nasrallah nervously mopping his brow.

And don't forget the caption:

DEAD MAN SCHVITZING!

198 techno_barbarian  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:57:34am
163 BabbaZee 8/5/2006 12:14PM PDT
#161 sms111
You do know that google video yanked "obsession"?



Yep. I had it bookmarked and now it's completely gone.

I think google has gotten comfortable censoring information not germain to 'the cause', much like they're helping China restrict 'sensitive' information from the Chinese People.

I used to use google exclusively. Now I will do everything I can to avoid using it.

199 Middle-Earth  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:58:19am

#192 Amalie

Someone googled with the wrong spelling?

LOL

No, see this link on the dead tread

200 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 10:58:59am

Babba

Thanks! Got it bookmarked..

201 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:00:17am

199 Middle Earth

Oh, now I see what you are referring too. And it seems I was there too..

202 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:00:33am

#129 solomonpanting,

I like doing that kind of work to but I'm not anywhere near your talent. I bet I'd burn a lumber yard of wood figuring out how to do something of that magnitude.

I can do most of the things required around the house now like plumbing, electric, small carpentry work like crown molding, all self taught. My dad didn't know how to do a damn thing so I had to teach myself.

Will say I paid a carpenter $50 extra dollars to allow me to help him with crown molding while I "assisted" the first time, though. Best $50 bucks I ever spent.

Again, very pretty stuff. I'm far more impressed with a good carpenter than I am about any other skill set. Oh, and artists. Not worth a crap at that either but I sure appreciate people that are.

203 techno_barbarian  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:00:45am
#176 Middle-Earth 8/5/2006 12:30PM PDT

Hmmmm... thanks Middle-Earth. The link I'd bookmarked earlier is still broken, but the one you posted is working.

204 deegee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:03:59am

What can a non-Israeli do to help Israel in this war?

My suggestions:
1) Attend (or arrange) every pro-Israel demo, prayer meeting, etc. Numbers do matter.
2) Sign every petition; answer ever survey.
3) Hang an Israeli and an American flag (or Australian, Italian or whatever is appropriate) from your balcony.
4)Allow no factual errors in media reporting to go unanswered.

Open for more suggestions.

205 mich-again  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:04:16am

Funny audio clip. Horse Race link

206 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:05:00am

Time to go play chef of the future.

See yez later

[Link: www.honeymooners.net...]

207 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:11:56am

#152 American Jewess,

Also, why would we agree to UN "peacekeeping forces" littering the border area when they have never done anything in the past except help Hezbullah set up camp?

The only reason your confused is that you've made the mistake of trying to apply real logic, intellect, wisdom, and common sense to a group of people that don't understand these concepts.

If you simply allow your mind to go blank, or better yet, think like a Frenchman and butter up to somebody that would like to slit your and your children's throat, everything would become so much clearer.

Don't you know that it's a sign of true genius to make the same mistake over and over and over again? I can see that you're not going to be elected a politician anytime soon! Sheesh...

208 CrimsonFisted  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:15:00am

Did you all see this? Before and after images of the areas where the bombs fell on the hezbos.

209 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:16:23am

Babba

Yalla Ya Nas’rallah

You look like a hippopatumus
You might as well stay in your hole
Because soon you will die

You are simply a complete fool
You are a devil or to make a long story short
You are the scum of mankind
Even if you drop here more katuskas
Know that there’s no despair here at all

Together we will overcome the evil trouble
Yalla ya Nasrallah – we will screw you inshallah
We will send you back to allah,
With all the Hezbollah
Yalla ya Nasrallah – go away ya garbage
It’s already been sentenced from above –
That this is your end

You are pathetic, you are small
And resemble an orangutan
You have lice on your beard
And soon you’ll be out of here
You are a dead cockroach, you are skunk
You’re running out of breath

The IDF is asking just after you
To burn you up in fire
With your friends from Syria and Iran
Even if you’ll drop here more katushas
Know there’s no despair around here at all

Yalla ya Nas’rallah
We will screw you inshallah
We will send you back to allah,
With all the Hezbollah
Yalla ya Nas’rallah – go away ya garbage
And be prepared because soon all the IDF
With the apaches, the F-16’s, the battleships,
The missles and the tanks, the commando,
Paratroops, Golani, Giy’ati
And enjoy them because they are your last ones

Yalla ya Nas’rallah
We will screw you inshallah
We will send you back to allah,
With all the Hezbollah
Yalla ya Nas’rallah – go away ya garbage
Yalla ya Nas’rallah – we will screw you inshallah
It’s already been sentenced from above –
That this is your end..

210 400lb gorilla  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:16:35am

Here pussy, pussy pussy

211 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:17:22am

204 deegee

Thanks for the suggestions..

212 DANEgerus  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:17:35am

Putting the lie to the terror-apologist's claims that Israel's campaign is 'making Hezbollah stronger' Nazi-R-Allah begins to squeal for a rescue...

Notice the lie... "Meetings With US", eg. the "Great Satan", when it was Israel they attacked. By agreeing to dance to Nazi-R-Allah's propagandist ploy we legitimize his masters', Iran.

Israel was a divided and demoralized society after the failure of Oslo leading to the onslaught of the suicide bombers since that compromise.

Now an entire generation of Israelis has been rocketed and forced to respond. The casualties were horrible, I don't mean to dismiss the loss, but the remarkably small price paid has reforged the nation.

Israel is... again.

213 desperate hippy  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:18:41am

Sorry, people but the link to obsession that works now will also be broken.
That is not because of pollitics but because if you want to see Obsession you should go to: [Link: obsessionthemovie.com...]
It is on the right side of the street but it is a commercial product. Therefore it cannot be just dropped on the net by google-film.

214 Kirly  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:18:44am

FNC just said Corporal Galid Shalit is a dual French-Israeli citizen. So, why the h#ll isn't France fighting right alongside Israel against the islamonazis who kidnapped him? hmm? d@mn frogs!

215 400lb gorilla  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:20:32am

#214

It is safer for a jew in the middle east than in Paris. That says a lot

216 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:20:48am

208 Crimsonfisted

Amazing..

*the MSM is reporting that in the last three days Hiz'bollah has been hitting Israel with 200 rockets each day..

217 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:20:52am

#172 BZ,

May the Babes of the IDF be the ones to take Nasrallah down:

And may Old Fat Daddy Natalie be the one to take the Babes of IDF up afterward!

HOLD THOSE POSES LITTLE LADIES...I'm on my way over now!

218 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:22:15am

214 Kirly

I read a while back that the Israeli solder's families were going to Paris to try to arrange a release..

Will have to go research.. should have saved the link

219 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:22:59am

Goodbye-Natalie

Down boy!

220 Spiritualized  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:23:41am
You do know that google video yanked "obsession"?

Well it is copyrighted, maybe HonestReporting complained? The new link posted above seems to be more official because it's actually properly linked back to obsessionthemovie.com

221 DANEgerus  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:23:44am

So where can you buy Obsession?!?

222 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:23:45am
#204 deegee
What can a non-Israeli do to help Israel in this war?

My suggestions:
1) Attend (or arrange) every pro-Israel demo, prayer meeting, etc. Numbers do matter.
2) Sign every petition; answer ever survey.
3) Hang an Israeli and an American flag (or Australian, Italian or whatever is appropriate) from your balcony.
4)Allow no factual errors in media reporting to go unanswered.

Open for more suggestions.

Visit Dave Bender's blog and there are links to many Israeli charities that are helping all of the many displaced. Very easy to donate. The kiddo sent her allowance to the children a couple of night ago. You can also send funds to the IDF members that have been called up and need financial help.

Write to the President and your Congresspeople urging their continued support of Israel.

Go to GIYUS.org and download the gizmo to receive alerts, stuff for your own blog, etc.

Print up some flyers or small cards with the url of this website and some others. Leave them everywhere you go. Maybe some of us can design something that follks can copy and print.

Send everyone you know a link to the Obsession video.

Learn about what Islam really teaches - somebody got links?

Write to Save the Children and protest their collection of funds ONLY for Lebanese children.

Call your local synagogue and ask if they need help to guard the premises if you are able to do so.

223 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:24:30am
Wednesday, July 26, 2006 by Staff Writer

Families of kidnapped soldiers to travel to Paris
A delegation of members of the Goldwasser, Regev, and Shalit families is on its way to Paris in order to raise public support in France, which could influence Hamas and Hizballah to prove signs of life and ensure the safety of the three kidnapped soldiers.

The delegation will be accompanied by Gen (Ret) Uzi Dayan and Chairman and President of Rekah Pharmaceutical Group Mordechai Elgrabli. The idea for the trip was initiated when the two had visited the Goldwasser and Regev families last week.

Since France has a special connection to Lebanon, and since the kidnapped soldier Gilad Shalit is a French national, it was decided to take this route in an effort to influence the kidnappers.

The visit is in coordination with Israel’s Foreign Ministry and with the Jewish Agency in France. The delegation will meet with the head of the Socialist party in France, the head of the Jewish Community, Paris’s Chief Rabbi, President of the European Jewish Congress, French administration officials, human rights organizations, and the International Red Cross.

[Link: www.israeltoday.co.il...]

224 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:25:33am
#220 Spiritualized

You do know that google video yanked "obsession"?

Well it is copyrighted, maybe HonestReporting complained? The new link posted above seems to be more official because it's actually properly linked back to obsessionthemovie.com

Apparently it was not yanked, just miss-spelled LOL. I'm watching it now.

You can buy the DVD at obsessionthemovie.com

225 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:32:53am
Thursday, August 03, 2006 by Staff Writer

Olmert: Nasrallah is a murderer and Assad is hasty and immature

Olmert emphasized that Israel will not end the fighting in Lebanon before a strong and effective multinational force is deployed in southern Lebanon. We do not intend to stop the fighting and wait for weeks until the force arrives because until then, the Hizballah will return to the south and we will have achieved nothing.”

Olmert added that the Hizballah’s infrastructure has been destroyed and there was a serious blow to their weapons arsenal. According to him, the local residents, which were Hizballah’s base of power, have lost their homes and they are now bitter and angry towards Hizballah. The organization is isolated both internationally and within the Arab world, with the exception of Iran and Syria. Hizballah is in a very bad state and has effectively been disarmed of most of its weapons.

[Link: www.israeltoday.co.il...]

226 desertbrat  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:35:11am

By the way,looser Nasrallah...

you lie:
"This must be clear to every Lebanese,
every Arab,to every muslim,to every
Christian..."

Newsflash,cockroach...
Christians support Israel and hope that you
and your hezboswine get to wallow in allah's
sty real soon!

227 nuke gingrich  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:38:29am

Jihad leader's suicide bomb warning

"If, after the 48-hour deadline, the aggressions continue, we can't be held responsible if there are suicide bombings in countries that support the aggressions of the Israeli military, if it is America, Australia or other countries," Asian Muslim Youth Movement (AMYM) leader Suaib Didu said.

Dang, at summer camp, all we got to do was roast marshmallows, go swimming, and flirt with the girls. These guys get to 'splode themselves.

link

228 CrimsonFisted  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:46:25am

70 Nordish12

British Hizballah supporters stamp / spit on Bush placard.

This, and more, will be released in a brand new Moonbat Media report within an hour or so.


Looking forward to it!

Oh I forgot.

I got the link to the before and after images at Right Wing News. I was just jazzed and this seemed the perfect thread to share.

God Bless the USA and Israel.

229 mpax  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:49:50am

Is that Arabic for "Uncle!"?

230 Buckaroo  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:51:58am

# 221 D

The site is taking DVD pre-orders last I saw ...


/To be delivered on or by 9/11 ...

231 zuckerlilly  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:55:18am
232 Nordish12  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:56:03am

New Moonbat Media report out!

100,000 British march in support of Hezbollah

233 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:57:02am

Visiting IRI President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said here on Monday evening that the racist, outlawed Zionist regime is the old root cause for discord among regional countries.

He said, "The most important challenge for the world nations today is injustice and the hegemony imposed by the big powers, that unfortunately the winners of World War II permitted themselves to exert against the world nations."
Ahmadinejad added, "The winners of WW II that were drunken with the pleasure of victory waged the fire of the Vietnam War, during which they massacred millions of people, wounded tens of millions, and made homeless as many."

He said, "In Latin America they ousted popular governments and replaced them with puppet tyrant regimes. In our neighborhood, they aggressively entered Iraq, occupied its entire soil, and kept up interfering in Iraqi government's and the Iraqi Parliament's affairs, to an extent that chaotic conditions prevails there."

[Link: www.irna.ir...]

234 Fat Clemenza  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:57:55am

Slightly OT but interesting:

I have just stumbled on a clever (one may even say Rovian) plan to get the left solidly behind this war and throw the Muslim world into a state of confusion.

Bush announces that he will give an address to the nation on August 21st. At that address, he appears with McCain and Hastert and the three of them announce that American policy has been in error and to rectify that error all three will convert to Islam. They then recit the thingamajiggy - There is no G-d but G-d, yada yada yada. He then says that in order to bring American law into better conformity with G-d's Law McCain and Hastert will introduce legislation in the Senate and House that will:

1. Prohibit the production, importation, possession and consumption of alcohol.

2. Require all women to wear modest dress - to include a head covering.

3. Mandate segregation of the sexes in all public accomodations.

4. Make homosexuality a capital offense.

5. Require that all female babies born in the U.S. be circumsized before the age of two.

They will say that this legislation is only a modest beginning but their goal is to have American law in full compliance with Sharia within five years.

Bush could then appeal to his Muslim brothers to call off their jihad against America and sit down to discuss their differences.

The left would go bananas and declare their own jihad against Islam. They would demand that the U.S. nuke Mecca and bomb the "religious fanatics" back to the stone age. They would finally be behind the war.

The Mullahs would be speachless just one day before their August 22nd "surprise."

Since he is guaranteed Secret Service protection for the rest of his life, Bush could become apostate at any time. McCain and Hastert may have more of a problem but I think they're expendable.

Sorry for the drive-by, but I'm at the library and I only get twenty minutes on the computer. Discuss this among yourselves and I'll check back tomorrow for your thoughts.

235 # 17  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:58:44am

Lebanon rejects draft UNSC resolution

236 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:01:51pm
237 solomonpanting  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:02:43pm

Muslim Leaders Demand Inclusion

"We're fed up," added Maher Hathout, chairman of the Islamic Center of Southern California.

"Our message to the mayor is twofold," he said. "Include everybody in your comments about the conflict, because this city is very diverse and we are part of the diversity. We will not be shoved aside and ignored. Issues that touch our hearts should be respected."

The mayor's response should be:

"My office has received requests from the Muslim community to be included in my comments about the Israeli-Lebanese conflict.
So, to Israel and its supporters I say God Bless you and I pray for your swift victory in the annihilation of Hezbollah and its supporters.
And to that portion of the Muslim community that supports Hezbollah and its terrorist ways I say FOAD. Thank you."

238 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:02:58pm
239 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:05:18pm
Iran frees bin Laden son reports German newspaper


NZ Herald BERLIN - Iran has freed a son of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden from house arrest, a German newspaper reported on Wednesday. Die Welt said the Iranian Revolutionary Guard released Saad bin Laden on July 28 with the aim of sending him to the Syria-Lebanon border. It linked the reported move to the outbreak of war between Israel and Lebanese-based Hizbollah.

240 # 17  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:06:10pm

238 ploome hineni

Apparently they want the wording changed. Probably the bit that says that all fighting should stop. Lebanon wants only one side to stop.

241 a.k.a. Will  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:07:33pm
#109 mich-again 8/5/2006 10:55AM PDT

I can't believe these excerpts from the story posted haven't been pasted here yet. Hilarious stuff. I love Arab-speak.

I just love it when they talk about the Jew and Crusader armies. Makes my day every time I see or hear it.

242 extrabob  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:07:36pm

Breaking news on Fox... there is a new Zawahiri tape announcing the fact that the Egyptian terror group that machine-gunned Sadat have now officially joined Al Qaida.

/yawn

243 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:07:37pm
244 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:08:25pm
245 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:09:33pm

Amazing... Bin Laden's son released from Iran prison


"From the Lebanese border, he has the task of building Islamist terror cells and preparing them to fight together with Hizbollah," Die Welt said, quoting intelligence information.

"Apparently Tehran is counting on recruiting Lebanese refugees in Syria for the fight against Israel, using bin Laden's help," it added in a preview of a report to appear in its Thursday edition.

Western intelligence sources have long suspected that Iran is holding a number of al Qaeda figures, possibly including Saad bin Laden and Saif al-Adel, the network's security chief.

Kamal Kharrazi, then Iran's foreign minister, said in January 2004 that Tehran had jailed about a dozen al Qaeda suspects and would put them on trial.
246 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:10:05pm
247 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:12:28pm

Okay, I just finished watching Obsession. Yes it is on Google - name is spelled incorrectly.

248 Kirly  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:14:02pm

Regarding the link to Obsession in #176...

it works. I just watched the entire movie AND then downloaded it.

249 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:14:19pm
250 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:15:34pm

Hi Ploome

Did you see my link where Iran released Bin Laden's son from prison?

251 Kirly  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:16:14pm

woohoo! yalla ya nasrallah is on google now too!

This is my favorite song! I'm downloading it immediately!

252 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:16:22pm
#232 Nordish12

New Moonbat Media report out!

100,000 British march in support of Hezbollah

I see that faked photo is quite popular. And the children of Britain are being taught to wear headbands. Unbef'inglievable! Didn't look like 100K though.

253 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:17:57pm
254 mpax  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:18:48pm

Re 172
Dare I call them Warrior Princesses?

255 jrdroll  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:20:42pm

Wednesday, August 02, 2006

Iran Press News: Translation by Banafsheh Zand-Bonazzi.

The Islamic Republic has now specifically announced that should their nuclear dossier be voted for referral by the United Nations Security Council for sanctions in the August round of voting, that all political prisoners, whether on furlough or in prison, will be summarily executed.

READ MORE

As the Islamic regime kills off Iranian patriots and freedom-fighters that fight against their tyrannical and archaic religious rule, they dole out money that belongs to the people of Iran to their terrorist flunkies. The Mullah regime cares nothing for the lives of the people of Lebanon and they are wholly responsible for creating the chaos in that hostage-country. The only reason why they are sacrificing the people of Lebanon and our own innocent patriots who are their prisoners is to buy time for their nuclear dossier and nothing else.


[Link: regimechangeiran.com...]

256 Kirly  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:23:27pm
how do I download Obsession and save it to view offline?

I just manually downloaded the google video player and then the video. There are links entitled "manually downlaod..."

Good luck. I'm having difficulties getting yalla ya nasrallah to download right now.

257 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:25:36pm

Maybe it was just busy. I got Yalla ya no problem.

258 jrdroll  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:25:42pm

#253 ploome

how do I download Obsession and save it to view offline?

Go here There's a download button on the right.

259 Kirly  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:28:11pm

regarding downloading from google...if you think it didn't download, check your mydocuments folder and inside there is a my videos folder and insider that a google video folder. it's there! yippee! it's a great day! I got my song about the Isreali's kicking Nasrallah's evil butt and the Israeli's really are JEWmiliating him!

260 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:28:49pm

BTW - there is some other stuff here, including the movie that Eisenhower had made of the death camps that was shown at the Neurenberg Trials.

[Link: www.jonhs.net...]

261 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:30:07pm
#255 jrdroll

Wednesday, August 02, 2006

Iran Press News: Translation by Banafsheh Zand-Bonazzi.

The Islamic Republic has now specifically announced that should their nuclear dossier be voted for referral by the United Nations Security Council for sanctions in the August round of voting, that all political prisoners, whether on furlough or in prison, will be summarily executed. READ MORE

Did you email this to Charles?

/Hate to say it, but I guess he's going to be committing mass murder

262 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:30:38pm

Yalla ya Nas’rallah
We will screw you inshallah
We will send you back to allah,
With all the Hezbollah

Yalla ya Nas’rallah – go away ya garbage
And be prepared because soon all the IDF
With the apaches, the F-16’s, the battleships,
The missles and the tanks, the commando,
Paratroops, Golani, Giy’ati
And enjoy them because they are your last ones

263 Old_Maid  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:33:44pm

OT: Air America

This is off topic but I just wanted to share ... I was reading about how Air America has had to move to a weaker station, due to (further) sinking ratings. Brent Bozell said that New York City was the "epicenter" of intellectual liberalism. I mis-read it the first time--thought he wrote that New York City was the SPHINCTER of intellectual liberalism!

[Link: www.mrc.org...]

264 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:34:40pm

263 Old_Maid

I mis-read it the first time--thought he wrote that New York City was the SPHINCTER of intellectual liberalism!

LOL ~

265 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:35:30pm

Isn't "intellectual liberalism" an oxymoron?

266 Mark1957  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:36:53pm

Meanwhile, back at the ranch....

Al-Qaida welcomes new Egyptian group By OMAR SINAN, Associated Press Writer

CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Qaida's No. 2 leader announced in a new videotape aired Saturday that an Egyptian militant group has joined the terror network.

Hmmm, let's see: Al-Qaeda, Inc. announces its acquisition of a new "wholly-owned subsidiary" in their terror network. Unfortunately, this isn't likely good news because, as we all know from the business world, "mergers" also usually mean....

LAYOFFS!

267 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:38:03pm

Okay, NOW I am sick! Those animals are uploading propaganda films about Lebanon to Google titled "Holocaust" - I was searching for the Eisenhower video in Google format and the very first video on the page is about what is going on in Lebanon. So are a lot of the others.

268 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:39:06pm

266 Mark1957

It's amazing that this would make the news.. I thought they were all supposed to be secretive, planning their next moves in subterranean dwellings..

Now they have PR Firms and stock options..

269 solomonpanting  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:41:15pm

249 ploome hineni

"The mayor and the governor continue to ignore the views of an entire group of people about such things," he added. "We will continue to hold them to the fire, or there will come a time when they realize their continued lack of response will be politically costly."

What would they have the mayor say,
"I endorse the continued launching of missles and kidnapping and suicide bombings in Israel. Just the way when things were calm and stable before Israel decided to launch an agressive war of self-defense."?

Besides, what could they do politically, vote in a Republican mayor? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

270 Dirk Diggler  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:41:31pm

Pardon me if this has been posted elsewhere (I'm sure it has by now), but what the hell is this?

Draft truce calls for ‘full cessation of hostilities’

The United States and France reached agreement Saturday on a U.N. Security Council resolution calling for an end to fighting between Israel and Hezbollah guerrillas as a first step toward a political settlement of the conflict. (ed. comment: YEAARRRRRGH!)

The full 15-member U.N. Security Council received the draft hours after the French-U.S. deal was announced to review the text, send it to their governments and suggest any changes. A vote could follow Monday or Tuesday, France’s U.N. Ambassador Jean-Marc de la Sabliere said.

The draft resolution calls for a “full cessation of hostilities based upon, in particular, the immediate cessation by Hezbollah of all attacks and the immediate cessation by Israel of all offensive military operations.”

The original text by France, the former colonial power in Lebanon, had demanded an immediate end to fighting so a permanent cease-fire agreement can be negotiated but Israel, which has troops in southern Lebanon, insisted on its right to respond to any attack from Hezbollah guerrillas.

In Crawford, Texas, White House Press Secretary Tony Snow said President Bush supported the draft resolution and “he’s happy with it.” (ed. comment: What! How could the President be happy with the agreement? It resolves absolutely nothing.)

Oh and BTW, guess who's going to be in charge of monitoring this "truce"...

The resolution would call for the current U.N. peacekeepers, the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon, known as UNIFIL, to monitor the truce.

UNIFIL? The same force that has been keeping the peace in south Lebanon for the past 26 years and whose watchful eyes allowed Hizb'allah to stockpile a massive arsenal. This is worse than a farce.

As for Israel's soldiers well in the big scheme of things their freedom is apparently inconsequential.

Unclear is the fate of the two Israeli soldiers, whose capture by Hezbollah sparked the conflict on July 12.

France’s original text called for their release as well as the settlement of the issue of the Lebanese prisoners detained in Israel. This provision has now been moved to the preamble of the text where it has less weight.

Yeah, we're winning folks. We're winning.

/sarcasm

271 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:42:05pm

AND those SOBS have put this up -

Israeli massacre in Qana

272 solomonpanting  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:44:05pm

#269

agressive~aggressive

273 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:44:20pm

270 Dirk Diggler

So... it seems the Superheroes of the Diplomat Squad are at it again..

Fighting Truth and Justice with Drafts and Resolutions..

/hi

274 Old_Maid  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:44:38pm

I was in the gym earlier, and the TV was on CNN (I couldn't change it). Apparently CNN either conducted a poll or had one conducted that found more than sixty percent of Americans support Israel right now. 44% want an immediate cease fire, and the rest want one when possible. I was rather surprised by this. Especially that they aired it right after their man-inside-Hezbcowards had taken a camera into the apartment building that had just been IDF-raided.

275 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:46:04pm

Interesting - very interesting. Very staged -

276 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:47:03pm

275 galloping granny

What is staged?

/I agree with you about the Holocaust "google" find you made

277 jrdroll  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:47:46pm

#261 gg
Hat Micheal Ledeen:

Saturday, August 05, 2006

Power to the People [Michael Ledeen]
For those who have not yet learned that Sharansky's basic insight into the importance of freedom is so very right, this in from Iran (from Regimechangeiran.com ):

the Islamic Republic has now specifically announced that should their nuclear dossier be voted for referral by the United Nations Security all political prisoners, whether on furlough or in prison, will be summarily executed.


[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

278 MSMediaCritic  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:49:25pm

The problem with having peacekeepers in Lebanon is simple. There is no peace there so they have nothing to do.

Send peacemakers instead. Heavily armed peacemakers.

279 NogenDavid  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:50:23pm

188 replying to my 173:

Because Israel needs the military or diplomatic support of states like the US, UK, Germany, and friendly leaders there cannot be undermined in their assistance by charges that Israel is being intransigent. This will not be an ignorable General Assembly resolution, but a measure with the prestige of the US and UK behind it.

280 Dirk Diggler  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:51:29pm

Amalie (;-P)

So... it seems the Superheroes of the Diplomat Squad are at it again..

Fighting Truth and Justice with Drafts and Resolutions..

/hi

The phrase "a first step toward a political settlement of the conflict" makes my skin crawl.

I truly hope that article is a load of bull or that I misread it. Otherwise it constitutes indisputable evidence that the world has gone stark, raving mad.

281 solomonpanting  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:51:30pm

271 galloping granny

From your link:
Re: Qana
"Israel has committed a Holocaust in Lebanon"

Possible responses:

1. 28 dead is a Holocaust?
2. What're you smoking?
3. Careful what you wish for.

282 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:51:54pm

#276 Amalie

I tried embedding that Israeli Holocaust video about Qana2 - it really shows that the photos were staged, lots of stuff we haven't seen before. Didn't work :( Sent it to charles or you can click the link in 271

283 MSMediaCritic  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:52:41pm

Iran will kill their political prisoners? Hmmm... sounds like a war crime. And an odd reaction, too. The prisoners are not the UN, nor are they involved with nuclear weapons, etc...

Mark my words. This will end with nuclear bombs falling on Damascus and Tehran at a minimum. I am predicting, not advocating. The only question I have is how much fighting will go on after those attacks.

284 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:54:54pm
#281 solomonpanting

271 galloping granny

From your link:
Re: Qana
"Israel has committed a Holocaust in Lebanon"

Possible responses:

1. 28 dead is a Holocaust?
2. What're you smoking?
3. Careful what you wish for.

No solomonpanting, see the post a couple before that one. I was looking for the Eisenhower video shown at Neurenberg over at Google. Typed in Holocaust. The #1 video for that key word is about Lebanon. Pages through a couple of pages and found the one I posted in 271 - keyword "holocaust."

I am furious. How DARE they!

285 zombie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:56:52pm
#232 Nordish12
New Moonbat Media report out!
100,000 British march in support of Hezbollah

Receives the Zombie Stamp of Approval!

286 mkm19602000  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:57:38pm

Galloping Granny go read the comments
at Google

287 Nordish12  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:01:25pm
#285 zombie

Receives the Zombie Stamp of Approval!

Heh! That is quite prestigious! Thank you! :)

288 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:02:55pm

So, who speaks Hebrew? What does Yalla ya mean?

289 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:05:48pm

Missed this one over there Nordish -


Hezbollah executes 18 Lebanese Christians & Druze for exposing Hezbollah hideouts

Iran Press News: Translation by Banafsheh Zand-Bonazzi.

The Islamic regime-run news agency ILNA’s reported: "18 Israeli spies, from the port city of SOOR, located in southern Lebanon were executed. The German News Agency reported that those executed by a firing squad were accused [by Hezbollah militia] of espionage for Israel. According to the report in the German press, the foreign nationals who had were boarding ships organized for their evacuation from Lebanon, were present at the time of the executions. Dr. Boris Bok, a Munich physician told the German media that he witnessed a number of the Lebanese resistance fighters [who opposed Hezbollah] be charged with aiding the Israelis in air strikes and were therefore brought to the firing squads. The German physician and other German nationals who were transferred from Lebanon to Cyprus clearly stated that they saw everything as it happened; the witnesses said that the people who were executed had also divulged location of the houses of the Hezbollah terrorists to the Israeli air force.”

290 sakublock  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:06:12pm

Saw Fouad Siniora on Charlie Rose last night. Just another programmed arab jew hater. Israel has not done anything right. It was Israel commiting crimes before all the hostilities, it is Israel blah blah blah. Its about occupation this and that. Nasrallah is a freedom fighter.
Charlie Rose just let him speak for 45 mins spewing his crap and he finally thanks Rose for allowing him to tell the Americans the "right side" I really could care less about the lebanese civilians since they elected these people who choose war instead of peace.

291 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:06:55pm

# 288 g g

It means "let's go."

292 Kirly  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:07:23pm

galloping granny

I think someone posted recently that Yalla is actually arabic and is sort of a "bring it on" statement. I'd ask my Lebanese Catholic friends but they're a little sensitive right now since some of their extended family still resides in Beirut.

293 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:07:49pm

#279 NogenDavid 8/5/2006 02:50PM PDT


188 replying to my 173:

Because Israel needs the military or diplomatic support of states like the US, UK, Germany, and friendly leaders there cannot be undermined in their assistance by charges that Israel is being intransigent. This will not be an ignorable General Assembly resolution, but a measure with the prestige of the US and UK behind it.

Even if it means Israel must accept a position of being right back where they started or even worse?

294 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:08:04pm

OT --- If not already linked, I feel compelled to point-out a New Turd which has been Dropped into the Cesspool we call the ‘UN’ before the sun goes down: U.N. Body Accuses Israel Of Racism

A Geneva-based agency charged with eliminating world racism added its name yesterday to the growing list of U.N. organs denouncing Israel's war against Hezbollah.

"Would Israel have resorted to the bombing of civilian infrastructure if it were fighting a non-Arab force?" the expert, Agha Shahi, asked. Another panel member, Patricia January-Bardill, said, "People only gave themselves the right to kill in such a way when they had inferiorized the victims."

The emergency meeting was organized by several of the panel members, led by a former Egyptian diplomat and Arab League official....

...Mr. Aboul-Nasr said Mr. Annan would expect the committee to condemn Israel. "The secretary-general had said the acts had to be condemned in the strongest possible terms, and that was what the secretary-general expected of the committee today" ....

Carryon.

295 Kirly  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:08:53pm

check out this video too...

three former terrorists - one American raised in Dearborn

Listen to the stupid interviewer. He's incredulous. As if he can't believe his ears. Useful idiot.

296 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:09:01pm

280 Dirk Diggler

I don't know anymore.. strange times we live in..

/I guess we have to have faith..

somehow.

297 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:11:28pm
#294 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

OT --- If not already linked, I feel compelled to point-out a New Turd which has been Dropped into the Cesspool we call the ‘UN’ before the sun goes down: U.N. Body Accuses Israel Of Racism

Oh last week the idiots said that we here in the US are the worst violators of human rights in the world. They'll get over it. No choice. We pay the bills.

298 mama winger  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:11:57pm

OT - Pardon me if this has already been posted.

Afghanistan Deports Hundreds of Evangelical Christians

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/DD476809-D7 E6-4C73-94C1-BA42E3603811.htm

299 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:12:38pm

I've posted my updates to the ongoing crisis in the ME for those interested in a handy dandy recap.


There was a supposed anti-war demonstration in NYC that ended up in Times Square. But, from what I could tell, it was anti-Israel all the way. Anyone else have coverage/photos?

300 Doss  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:13:50pm

OT: I missed this a couple months ago, but The Politics of CP has compiled an exhaustive list of terror attacks in the U.S. committed by Fuqra - Jamaat ul-Fuqra: Homegrown Islamic Radicalism Since 1979. Scroll down to the June 7th entry to find NINE PAGES of bombings, gun smuggling, kidnappings, shootings, and more.

301 Airedale  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:15:55pm

That Nasralla fella is asking for intervention?

Maybe its allahs wil he gets his ass kicked !

Why would allah want this Nasaralla fella, who is fighting in allahs name,cleaning up the middle east to allahs specs, allow the zionist to hand is ass to him?

guess it's inshallah

302 mama winger  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:17:02pm

If that Al-Jazeerah link isn't working for you, here's another source :

Christians deported - Peace Festival Cancelled


[Link: paktribune.com...]

303 massachusetts republican  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:18:03pm

boo hoo, crush them!

304 Rune  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:19:48pm

OT:
Time increase up the pro-Islam propaganda dose boys. The population is growing resistant.

Gallup: Massive Danish support for Israel

August 5, 2006.

A new Gallop survey shows that a majority of Danes support Israel in the now four week long war against Hezbollah in Lebanon.

57 percents, are of the opinion that it is Hezbollah which are responsibly for the conflict, while 37 percent points to Israel.

At the same time, just about every other Dane, 48 percent, say that they have most sympathy for Israel, while the Shia-Moslem group only find support by 7%, which are mainly found on the left-wing.

The governments policy in the conflict has likewise the support of a majority of the population, even though the opposition has criticised the government for following the lead of the USA.


(Danish) Gallup: Massive Danish support for Israel

305 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:19:56pm

#270 dirk diggler:

Have no fear. The Lebanese have rejected the hard work of the diplomats. Once again, facts on the ground outpace the diplomats, whose trust in process trumps reality, facts, or logic.

I guess they've got to have something to show for all their jawboning.

306 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:22:33pm

Hi Youse'all - haven't even begun to read this thread, so if this has been posted before, I aplogize:

U.N. Draft Breaks France-U.S. Impasse
UNITED NATIONS - The U.S. and France agreed Saturday on a draft Security Council resolution that seeks a full halt to fighting in Lebanon, breaking a three-week impasse caused partly by Washington's refusal to press Israel to end its offensive against Hezbollah.

Despite the agreement, fighting raged on. Israeli naval commandos struck the southern port of Tyre before dawn, while Israeli air raids killed at least eight people across Lebanon and a rain of Hezbollah rockets on northern Israel killed three civilians.

The resolution would chart a path toward a lasting peace with a cease-fire monitored by international troops. If passed, it would be the most significant international response to the crisis and raise hopes of ending combat that has killed at least 600 and left Lebanon in tatters.

The resolution must now go before the full 15-nation Security Council and gain Israeli and Lebanese acceptance - and initial comments indicated that would not be easy.

Hezbollah warned it won't abide by the resolution unless Israel withdraws from Lebanon entirely, while one Israeli official called the draft an "important development" but vowed to press on with the offensive for now.

The text also ignored three Lebanese demands: setting a timetable for an Israeli withdrawal from the south, lifting Israel's full blockade of Lebanon and putting the disputed Chebaa Farms area under U.N. control.

President Bush is "happy with the progress being made" at the United Nations, but knows cementing a cease-fire will not be easy, White House press secretary Tony Snow said.

"I don't think he has any delusions about what lies ahead," said Snow, who was with the president on his vacation at his private ranch in Crawford, Texas.

[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

307 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:26:07pm

That must be some ride Charles is on - no new threads in 6 hours? Is he supposed to have a Life?
;>)

308 hazzyday  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:28:19pm

It would be better if we pulled Syria into the conflict.

309 westoner  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:28:45pm

100,000 march in London


Funny how muslims can muster a few tens of thousands when it's not Kafirs doing the dying.

310 Thanos  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:29:27pm

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

synagogue in southeastern Brazil sustained minor damage after attackers threw rocks and Molotov cocktails at the building early Saturday, authorities said.

Three or four unidentified people attacked the synagogue in Campinas, about 100 kilometers (60 miles) north of Sao Paulo, and painted "Lebanon, the true Holocaust" on the sidewalk, the press office of the Sao Paulo State Public Safety Department said.

Authorities said windows and the synagogue's main entrance were damaged but no one was injured in the incident. A small fire broke out but was rapidly contained by passers-by. No arrests had been made.

Eight Brazilians have been killed in Israel's month-old military offensive against Hizbullah guerrillas in Lebanon, including a teenager who was fighting for Hizbullah.

CAIR Brazil will now have an outcry about "backlash against Mosques in Brazil" I suppose.

311 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:30:02pm

realwest:

Not only did we see that the French and US agreed to a draft, but the Lebanese have already rejected it.

The diplomats are doing their thing, and the generals are doing theirs against the Hizbullah terrorists.

312 Ann  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:30:44pm

#302 mama winger

From your link:

"The programme was against the Islamic culture and customs of Afghans," he said, adding they have been told to leave the country as soon as possible.
"It was rumoured among the people they have plans to convert the people to Christianity," said Faiaz Mhrain, the governor’s chief of staff.

Islamists can't handle exposure or choice.

So many of their best and brightest citizens have fled in order to have it.

Can't have that horrific thing called options show up in the middle of the islamist nest.

Kang confirmed the Koreans were deported but said they were sent to Iran.

Oh, that's nice.

313 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:31:32pm

#232 Nordish12
It's appalling to see Khomeini posters, Hezbollah flags and the London Eye stinking up classy landmarks like Big Ben.

314 hurricane_jimmy  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:32:34pm

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah ... is he saying something or just talking.

Hizballah is literally getting slaughtered in this war. Missiles and rockets, death craving warriors, the backing of Syria and Iran, an neffective manipulation of world media, and bombastic rhetoric have not changed the undeniable truth. Israel is delivering an old fashioned ass kicking.

The myth that terrorist jihadis are some kind of invincible foe is being laid to rest. The question is will the rest of the western world take notice and fight the Islamist fascists?

315 Cartman  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:33:36pm

#294 aboo

A Geneva-based agency charged with eliminating world racism added its name yesterday to the growing list of U.N. organs denouncing Israel's war against Hezbollah.

We must always, always be mindful that to leftist (and now islamofascist) activists across the globe, the all-encompassing accusation of "racism" is code for the justification of a marriage of communism, anarchy and dhimmitude. The term no longer holds to it's original definition. It is slung about as a means to stiffle opposition and dissent. Everyone, please look again and again at the emboldened [mine] portion of the sentence from the story. Who put who in charge of eliminating anything? This type of thought-speak is becoming alarmingly more disturbing by the day.

316 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:35:28pm

#311 lawhawk - The Lebanese have already rejected it? It hasn't even been passed by the UN Security Council yet! Talk about premature,uh,
nevermind!

317 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:37:12pm

#312 Ann - Hi Ann - hope you and hubby are doing ok! Did ya play golf today? How's your game going (and how's his?)? Please tell him I said hello.

318 Thanos  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:37:54pm

From India it looks like security officials are catching on, the blogging ban has "proven counterproductive"... by snooping chats they can find terrorists easier it seems.

CAUTION: You can tell Capitalism is winning over Communism in India, turn on Pop up blocker before following this link!

[Link: timesofindia.indiatimes.com...]

Curious if there are readers from India aboard, can you see if you can reach Jawa report now?

319 hazzyday  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:38:29pm

For the lying trash that is Hizbollah a cease fire is just time to reload and get the next first shot in before asking for another ceasefire/reload.

320 j-damn  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:39:36pm

Another 5th columnist collaborator trash:

Thom Yorke's post on Radiohead's website, calling for the resignation of British Prime Minister Tony Blair (read more), has been removed from the site with no explanation and fans are wondering why. In the post, published earlier this week, Yorke said "I've had enough of this. Our government sitting on the fence with the U.S. while World War 3 appears to be breaking out in Lebanon and Northern Israel. We must throw Tony Blair out of office NOW. He does not represent the views of the British people."

321 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:40:26pm
322 mama winger  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:44:20pm

#312 Ann

Kang confirmed the Koreans were deported but said they were sent to Iran.

Oh, that's nice.

Sheesh, I didn't see the part about them being sent to Iran. And I just read an article today about Iran threatening to execute all its political prisoners if their nuclear plans are thwarted. I hope the Koreans make it safely home.

323 Ann  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:45:02pm

#317 realwest

We are doing great! Passed along the greetings!

Yes, we golfed today because it was only 91 degrees. Damn cool! I couldn't hit all week because of the 105 plus heat index, so I couldn't hit anything. Better half hit well, as usual.

324 NogenDavid  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:46:09pm

293 - 188 - original post 173 -

Israel potentially gets considerably more than nothing. The Security Council would have adopted a legally binding resolution recognizing the Israeli position as correct in all important respects, including the need to respect the blue line, disarm Hezbollah, unconditionally return the two hostages, and would mandate a force - with authority to shoot - that would have a duty to protect the Lebanese-Israeli border. Lebanon would have accepted all of these principles, or the war can resume.

Hezbollah would have been beaten up even if the war stops in a few days, althoguh not yet adequately humiliated. (

The world might then be able to focus for a time on other issues like the Iranian nuclear program. Within Lebanon, the resentment against Israel might subside into recriminations against Hezbollah for bringing Israel into Lebanon.

Yes, I'd rather that the maximum possible military defeat of Hezbollah occur before the ceasefire. That might still happen, though. Israel has at least a few days while the Security Council mulls things over, and then maybe announces that it needs, say, 48 hours to ensure that its troops are in secure positions in Lebanon in anticipation of the arrival of the UN mandated mulitnational force.

By the way, I've read Nazarallah's remarks now, and I am not sure they are prudent from his own vicious perspective. He is presenting his vision of the overthrow of current Arab governments in the region and break up of the states into religious and ethnic fashions, and saying "support my call for a ceasefire, you dishonourable and immoral cowards, so I can survive on my throne, and your overthrow can be delayed a bit".

But if I'm one of the "throne sitters", I'm saying to myself "I don't want to buy a little time, I want to be in power indefinitely, and this reckless fanatic is a potential threat to my own tenure and the stability of my country. I wouldn't mind if the Israelis finished pummeling him."

As Mr. Burns said at the end of Homer's stint as a union negotiator, he might not be the shrew tactician that we thought.

325 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:47:05pm

#323 Ann -Ah, the old heat index excuse, hey? LOL! I couldn't even do much packing and I'm gonna be moving into Charlotte in just 4 days!

326 Ann  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:48:41pm

#322 mama winger

I hope the Koreans make it safely home.

Do do I. Ahmanutjob has to be feeling a bit small about the failure of Hizb'Allah, so there is no telling what he will try next.


Should we start short people jokes now?

327 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:51:30pm

#326 Ann - I thought short people were more properly referred to as "vertically challenged" no?
;>)

328 Catawba  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:09:25pm

#50 Pastorius

Aftenposten: Jewish state is a crime against humanity.


Thanks for a very informative link. FYI, Aftenposten has both Norwegian and English versions of its website. The English version is much more "discreet" about things like this, i.e., not a word about it there.

329 Macker  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:31:44pm

Yalla Ya Nasrallah...the mp3!

330 NogenDavid  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:35:16pm

...reports just in that Lebanon "unhappy" about US/France proposals, Hezbollah even more so...which confirms that it actually does have a lot in it that is fair and useful to Israel.

Siniora is in a tough spot. Maybe he needs Hezbollah to be pounded more before it's safe enough for him to say yes?

331 Kirly  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:57:10pm

Macker! thank you so much! i was just wondering how to convert that google video to an mp3. now i can put this in my mp3 player!

332 Amalie  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:41:08pm

#324 NogenDavid 8/5/2006 03:46PM PDT

293 - 188 - original post 173 -

I

srael potentially gets considerably more than nothing. The Security Council would have adopted a legally binding resolution recognizing the Israeli position as correct in all important respects, including the need to respect the blue line, disarm Hezbollah, unconditionally return the two hostages, and would mandate a force - with authority to shoot - that would have a duty to protect the Lebanese-Israeli border. Lebanon would have accepted all of these principles, or the war can resume.

So UNIFIL, the original UN peacekeeping force, was not allowed to shoot if necessary?

And why should I believe that Hezbollah will disarm or respect the Blue Line? Hezbollah is an arm of Iran and Syria, neither one of them will stop sending in more rockets and weapons. Iran is using Hezbollah as a way to take the focus off their nuclear weapons program and it's working quite well.

The Shiites in Iraq are now showing solidarity with Hezbollah as is Al-Queda, who is an enemy of Hezbollah.

I am not so sure that the Genie can be put back in it's bottle no matter how hard the Diplomats try.

333 clarice  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:58:10pm

Is this pic by Adnan Hajj taken from the same spot and showing the same place in Beirut?

[Link: us.news1.yimg.com...]

334 massachusetts republican  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:19:25pm

Hussein Ibish wants to eat me. Did ya see “fat bastard” chasing “mini me”? Its how I feel…

Read my post at: [Link: amassachusettsrepublican.blogspot.com...]

335 transferthem  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:23:55pm

Now I wonder why [bigoted word] is begging his arab brothers to get him an immediate ceasefire?

Could it be that his military capacity is being ripped to pieces on the ground? I'd say that when the rockets on Israel cease, that might be a good time to start thinking about a ceasefire. You know, like any other war where you accept the surrender of the vanquished.

No greater symbol of islamic inferiority could be broadcast than [bigoted word] having to surrender to Israel unconditionally and face war crime charges in Jerusalem, the capital of teh Jewish State and the Jewish People. No greater encouragement, on the other hand, could be given to the islamonazis than to allow them to finish the fighting with any hint of dignity.

Let Israel finish the job for the sake of humanity and civilised values.

336 Right Side  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:24:28pm

#173 NogenDavid:

Despite the less than ideal outcome, unlike many here, I have no criticism for Israel's cautious start to its campaign. It took the time, through its first steps, to learn about the opponent's capabilities - there were many surprisises - to test the limits of air power, and to keep its casualties down.


You mean, "keep its rate of casualties down."
Sorry, I think that's a terrible way to fight wars. The shortest war is the most humane war. If you try to limit the number of casualties suffered per week, you end up pulling your punches, dragging out the war, and causing more casualties in the long run.

The classic example was the U.S. atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. By causing 130,000 civilian casualties in one week, the U.S. forced Japan's surrender. This saved Japan from a U.S. invasion that would have lasted into 1946 (at least), ended up killing more Japanese, both military and civilian, in the long run.

337 Right Side  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:30:10pm

#177 galloping granny:
Google is not "censoring" the movie "Obsession." It was very likely removed because it's copyrighted. And by downloading bootlegged copies for free, you are depriving the filmmakers of their livelihood from paid sales and showings of their movie.

These filmmakers did us a tremendous service (you won't ever see such a film coming out of liberal Hollywood producers). Don't ruin them by bootlegging their work.

338 Sidtara  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:08:34pm

They also need a hudna in which to "reload" their human shields.

Check out Hezbollah's Human Shield Replacement Program, Circa 2002.
[Link: www.bintjbeil.com...]

Note that "Hassan" is paralyzed, confined to a wheelchair, and can only move his head, yet within a year "Kamleh" gives birth to quadruplets.

Yeah, right. Obviously, if you are an unwed pregnant girl in a Muslim country you can either marry a reformed (by that I mean paraplegic) terrorist and get a lifetime supply of diapers and a full-time slave/nanny OR you can proceed directly to your gang rape/execution.

These women and children are not human shields, IMO. They're human sacrifices.

339 Bill K.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 11:29:19pm

Obviously Hizbollah and Nasrallah are starting to panic. The Israeli offensive is really gaining momentum now. Lebanon is being bombed back to the Stone Age. It may take a while but the air war does have a devastating effect.

To stop the offensive now would be to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Israel should blithely ignore all calls for a ceasefire and keep ruthlessly advancing.

The United States in particular has a disasterous history of ending fighting too soon. Operation Linebacker 2 at the end of the Vietnam War brought North Vietnam to it's knees. Another week or two of B-52 carpet bombing would have ended them. And of course there was the infamous 100 hour ground war in Desert Storm where the fighting was ended prematurely allowing enough of Saddam's army to survive to keep him in power. Colin Powell didn't want the United States to be seen as "piling on" a defeated Iraqi army. Sound familiar?

The best thing the U.S. can do is what it has been doing: sit tight, allow the clowns at the U.N. to imagine they're arranging a perfect "foolproof" ceasefire, keep Condi Rice out of the Mideast and allow Israel to grind away at Hizbollah.

340 John H  Sun, Aug 6, 2006 3:04:32am

Noserallah’ is ready to soil himself if he can’t get resupplied soon and the fact that Arab leaders are blowing him off and dissing his band of diminishing bandits can’t be improving his sense of self.

Wipe the vermin out BEFORE Iran manages to give them SAMs; or does that reek of too much common sense.

My option for successful reduction of missiles in Lebanon? Offer a bounty on every rocket that the civilians ‘liberate’ from the Hizbollah scum. The IDF needs to drop some more leaflets with instruction on how to call for a quick pickup, with bonus points if you can provide Hizbollah bodies…or is that too sensible, asking people to take a stand towards removing the REAL problem?

Hizbollah, the party of f*cktards! Exterminate them all if you want any peace in the ME this year.


This entry has been archived.
Comments are closed.

^ back to top ^

log in
Name:
Pass:

Register Forgot Your Password? My Account Re-send Confirmation (To log in, cookies must be enabled in your browser!)

► LGF Headlines

► Top 10 Comments

► Bottom Comments

► Recent Comments

► Tools/Info

► LGF Hits

► Slideshows

► Resources

► Never Forget

► Statistics

► Tag Cloud

► Contact

You must have Javascript enabled to use the contact form.
Your email:

Subject:

Message:


Messages may be published in our weblog, unless you request otherwise.
Tech Note:
Using the Contact Form

► News/Opinion

Free Shipping  and up to 30% savings on new Textbooks
More Partners

Compare Electricity Prices in your area. Texas Electricity is deregulated; you have the right to choose Texas Electric Rates from among many Texas Electric Companies.

You are not fair and thank you.


Discover the World's largest E-Book Store! Save big on bestsellers!
50% off Columbia DVD Sale