unbelievable

And the world is so naïve as not to see through why the arab world wants ceasefire with the Israeli military OUT of Lebanon....

I am really depressed. Is there no end to the evil of these people?

And what is going on in Israel? Has Olmert surrendered?

Jamie Irons

Dear Israel,

Push on. Ignore Bush. Millions of American conservatives are learning how to do it; you can, too.

OT FOXNEWS REPORTING OT

British agents were able to infiltrate a moslem terrorist cell, that is how they were able to find out about the plot with liquid explosives...

Per Alan Colmes SKELETOR

That provision is there because of the inherent passivity that islam imposes.

They can't win or succeed in anything because of the defeatist nature that islam imposes on the daily lives of its victims.

Jihad: For "fun" and "profit" Welcome to the "Clash"

The basic rule: anything that is dishonorable...lying, stealing, cheating or even breaking one's word...is fine if it is done to kaffir.

Stay the course, Israel. Show those sneaks who's da boss!

#2 psaturn

And the world is so naïve as not to see through why the arab world wants ceasefire with the Israeli military OUT of Lebanon....

1938....Neville Chamberlain....Czechoslavakia...."Peace in our time"...

Courage Israel, courage. Ignore the weenies.

Then why is Bush trying to ram this cease fire down Israel's throat? The cease fire is a joke, Olmert, like the stooge he is, is backing out of Lebanon as if he expects some great cease fire. Bush is making deals with France to sell Israel a bill of goods, and the cowards running Israel are all too eager to kiss Bush's ass.
Did all our soldiers die for nothing? Are a million Jews huddled in bomb shelters so that Condelezza Rice and Bush can be "makers of the peace" at the expense of Jewish blood?
France is going to police Hezb'allah? Is that some kind of sick joke? Hezb"allah will not have to disarm? What was the point of all this? It is time for the people of Israel to demand the resignation of Olmert and topple his Kadima cowards and put a real leader in charge. Enough already.

Know your enemy.

Excellent analysis... very well written article.

When can we start burning the cartoons of Moe?

If a Muslim ethos is to believe that one is justified in betraying the weak, then we should prove *their* weakness...else we shall continue to recieve their arrows.

Just went to the CAIR website and looked around a bit. Clicked on the "Challenging Hate" item in the menu on the left, then on the "Not in the Name of Islam" link in the drop-down menu. Lo and behold, there you'll find a complete and thoroughly convincing page explaining all they've achieved to date in reining in their extremist co-religionists.

/Don't wait too long to see this or they'll run in and edit it.

Did I miss something? When did Israel agree to any such thing?

Kos Breaks his silence on terrorism....
Playing politics with terror
by kos

Par for the course.

"Weeks before September 11th, this is going to play big," said another White House official, who also spoke on condition of not being named, adding that some Democratic candidates won't "look as appealing" under the circumstances.

These guys high-five each other when terrorism rears its ugly head.

They should really temper their glee.

But really, this is the reason they've shown no interest in truly fighting terrorists. They need Osama Bin Laden as much as OBL needs the Republicans. It's all they've got.

From someone who complains about all forms of surveillance, interrogation, incarceration and military action against terrorism one has to wonder what the great Kos' plan is.
/BDS is a harsh mistress

Why is it that my own country is always at the forefront of those nations that wish hudna upon Israel?

While I question the Israeli true commitment to a protracted and costly war against the entrenched Hizballah terrorists, I wonder why my own country, the most powerful on earth, never lifts a finger to help the Israelis in time of need, other than oblique and abstract promises of help, or the loan of antimissile systems, or a hug and a kiss before the next betrayal chamber session.

This in not the great democracy that I envision, one that is globally-aware and ready at a moment's notice to challenge all threats to true freedom wherever it is found.

I don't blame this on my President, I blame it on my government at large, especially the legislative branch and the troublesome vested interests at Langley and elsewhere. We are better people than this, and we deserve representation that makes us proud of our country, not sad.

Let's fix this SNAFU situation, because our very existence could depend upon it.

Hezballah is declaring victory.

#19 Killgore Trout
you forgot the link to the Kos article, Dumbass. here it is...
Playing politics with terror by Kos

/You stink, Mr. Trout

#20 really grumpy -

The problem I think is that our government is really run by career types, entrenched in the system and often with a completely different world view and agenda than those we elect to govern.

Shame on Israel for contemplating a Hudna. If anyone should know better, it is Israel. I understand the Israel Left (peacenicks) who just want an end to the madness, but history shows us all that the Muslim animals will never be satisfied until complete annihlation occurs. Shame on Israel, the US and western civilization for ignoring this fact. Shame on Bush and Rice for ignoring the reality.

Get it done now, Israel. Back them up US. I'm not a smart person but it seems as clear as day. Take out Hezbollah now or face a stronger enemy in the future.

Don't worry about the camel jockeys. They are still replaying the 8th Century in trying to find justification.
I'll cast my lost with the Israelis.

Shalom,
Lusophile

Eisenhower once said something like "One day the world's people are going to want peace so much that their leaders are going to have to get out of the way and let them have it."

Well, I think the opposite is going to prove true. Free peoples are beginning to wise up and realize that if our leaders don't get out of the way and let us fight, there never will be peace ... only endless war, or endless slavery and oppression and fear, which is certainly not peace.

We want peace through victory, dammit!

Forgive my ignorance, but was the author of that article one of those rarely seen or heard from, dare I say it, moderate Muslims? Whomever he is, the article should be splashed across every front page of every major newspaper in the country.

Waiting........

I hate Islam

Hate to say this but: Saturation Bombing of Syria and Iran.

What happened to the Bush Doctrine?

We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them. . . . America and our friends and allies join with all those who want peace and security in the world, and we stand together to win the war against terrorism.

Has the man succumbed to a bad case of Foggy Bottom fever?

A cease fire now would be a sad thing for Israel,most especially if it is an"immediate cease fire" The vacuum left in south Lebanon would be filled by hizbollah and Iranian Guards withih days of IDF withdrawal.This article is correct.History has shown many times that the islamist will call a truce against an enemy that is known to not be defeatable and then that enemy is attacked-ruthlessly-as soon as the islamist feels confident of victory.I wish that Olmert had not succmed to the pressure exerted by the US in order to "give diplomacy another chance".Diplomacy only functions when there are two or more rational and reasonable parties that are truly willing to compromise to achieve a settlement all may not be happy with (actually usually a good sign) but all can live with.The hizbollah/Iranian vs. Israel conflict is not such a situation as one side is neither rational nor reasonable.The islamist is driven by religious fervor,a perceived religious duty,and has no desire for compromise of any sort-this is why they embrace death.If one chooses to embrace death rather than life,one never has to accept compromise.Death becomes the ultimate form of CYA-glorify it through the concept of martyrdom and it becomes the easy way out-much easier than dealing with the issues that have made ones life stagnant,backward,and left behind by the rest of the world. This "war" in Israel and Lebanon is far from over.Perhaps when it picks up again, enough Israeli's will have come to accept reality as it is and elected a govenrment with the balls big enough to defend not just the land of Israel,but the idea of the free state/idea of Israel as well.Until this cease fire is imposed-IDF-kick ass and screw taking names.

Either stunning strategic deceit, or remarkable idiocy. Just some time, and we will know.

In a recent interview, General Norman
Schwartzkopf was asked if he thought there was room for forgiveness toward Hizbollah.

The General said, "I believe that forgiving Hizbollah is God's function. The Israelis' job is to arrange the meeting."

OT

From stoptheaclu.com, a video by a "civil rights" group narrated by a former ACLU director. In this video it teaches youth their "civil rights." It essentially tells them how do deal with the police correctly to avoid getting caught with drugs, by refusign searches, closing and locking car doors when the police ask them to get out, only open the window a few inches and various ways not to get in trouble and arrested.

You Be the Judge

With the events of today, I think this needs to be seen.

#21 Galloping Granny

Hezballah is declaring victory.

That makes me think they are on the ropes. Keep up the fire, IDF.

OT

Brace yourself. Put down all beverages. Finish swallowing.

When was 9/11?

Sharia.. Don`t like it. Rock the Casba

I think it is a begrudging fight on the part of Olmert and his cabinet. He and the defense minister come out of the Peace movement, I read here. It is not their bag to use militaary this way.
We can learn from these guys.If as might well happen,the USA elects a donk for Pres and a Donk legislature over the next two elections, their background will be excrement sandwiches for the military and negotiating demeanor for the rest of us.
We will rely on our friends in europe to guide us. Which means we will be f*cked.

"The nation has been offered a choice between shame and war. She has chosen shame, snd shall get the war as well."--Winston S. Churchill

I am so confused, when did President Bush call for an immediate cease fire? I listen to the radio all day at work, & yet, I don't recall him making those statements. Request enlightenment, with sources please?

#8 quilly mammoth

Hello.

The basic rule: anything that is dishonorable...lying, stealing, cheating or even breaking one's word...is fine if it is done to kaffir.

They treat eachother the same way. There has never been anything in the history of the human race as vile as Islam. Nazism was not as vile as Islam. Islam is the most vile, and degenerate social construction ever devised by the human race.

It is as close to Satanic evil, as it is possible to be.

Because of its basic deprevity, it is doomed to extinction...even without the withering effect of the light of reason, and decency, which destroys it as sunlight does a vampire.

Islam is the manifestation of hatred of G-d, so it first seeks to destroy the human soul, G-d's most noble creation.

That 1/5th of mankind is enslaved, and distorted by this filth, is a sad comment on the human race.

Let us pray that they shall soon be free of the corruption and debasement that is Islam, and that the rest of us may be rid of this evil forever.

This is not new. Ceasefires always favor the weaker side. Kill 'em while you can.

As soon as I heard the word ceasefire mentioned the first thought that ran through my pretty little head was: Ignore them Israel because it would just be a time for regrouping and resupplying for Hizbollah. If a middle of the road person such as myself has these thoughts, I am sure most people think the same thing.

I think (or at least I'd like to believe) that our government is just trying to LOOK like they're all for a cease-fire when really they want Israel to kick-ass. Thus the inability for the US and fwance to come up with something solid just yet, giving Israel more time to rid Lebanon of its Hizbollah infestation.

One doesn't have to be an expert on Islamic history and hudnas, or even just 20th century history of Israel and those trying to kill her to understand what this cease fire is all about.

One just needs to have ever wrestled as a child.

As soon as one of you starts losing, the losing one starts saying, "Time out. Let's quit for now."

Everyday I shake My head in amazement. Why doesn`t anyone recognize the enemy. ( Radical Islam.) Why does a fair, very discreet Blog, like LGF be investigated by the Men in Black just because a Terrorist support group whines about it.We are definitely losing the propaganda War.

galloping granny (#21):

Nasrallah's Baghdad Bob bluster reminds me of the Black Knight.

[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's left arm off]
BLACK KNIGHT: 'Tis but a scratch. . . .

[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right arm off]
BLACK KNIGHT: Oh, had enough, eh?
ARTHUR: Look, you stupid bastard. You've got no arms left.
BLACK KNIGHT: Yes, I have.
ARTHUR: Look!
BLACK KNIGHT: Just a flesh wound. . . .

[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right leg off]
BLACK KNIGHT: Right. I'll do you for that!
ARTHUR: You'll what?
BLACK KNIGHT: Come here!
ARTHUR: What are you going to do, bleed on me?
BLACK KNIGHT: I'm invincible!
ARTHUR: You're a looney.
BLACK KNIGHT: The Black Knight always triumphs! Have at you! Come on, then.

[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's last leg off]
BLACK KNIGHT: Oh? All right, we'll call it a draw.
ARTHUR: Come, Patsy.
BLACK KNIGHT: Oh. Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off!

#17 Catawba

Too late, they've deleted it.

#30 Blackacre 8/10/2006 06:33PM PDT

What happened to the Bush Doctrine?

We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them. . . . America and our friends and allies join with all those who want peace and security in the world, and we stand together to win the war against terrorism.

Has the man succumbed to a bad case of Foggy Bottom fever?

If there ever was a Bush doctrine it never included Israel. Soon after 9/11, Netanyahu testified before congressional committees and made impassioned speeches in the US and Europe, making the case that we were all fighting the same enemy, that the terrorism Israel faced had the same source as 9/11 and other terrorism.

He tried, but the US never agreed. If this ends this conflict, it'll be ending about like all the others: short of the victory Israel needed. No surprise, though I hoped this time might be different.

Killgore Trout

Quoting the intellecutal brain trust of the Democratic Party (the entire argument, really):

They need Osama Bin Laden as much as OBL needs the Republicans

When's the last time Osama had anything to do with a terror plot? Five years ago? It's a religious-political movement now, Kosshole. It was getting huge during the 1990's. Your brain hasn't moved off the left peg in five years.

Worst of all, for you, your party has many legislators in bed with the enemy. Conyers is one of the best examples. McKinney, well, not any more.

41 M. Bensson-Levi
basic rule: anything that is dishonorable...lying, stealing, cheating or even breaking one's word...is fine if it is done to kaffir.
It is as close to Satanic evil, as it is possible to be.

That 1/5th of mankind is enslaved, and distorted by this filth, is a sad comment on the human race.

Let us pray that they shall soon be free of the corruption and debasement that is Islam, and that the rest of us may be rid of this evil forever.

Why the hell did you pick these people for neighbors?

/bad joke

Let's hope Olmert is playing along, with no intention of agreeing. If they agree to a contingent of "peacekeepers" in southern Lebanon, they'll just be human shields. They may stage a show arrest of a Hez terrorist occasionally, but for the most part they'll just sit there, and let them fire their rockets, and then say "no, no, no, that's not nice".

Meanwhile, it will be almost impossible for Israel to fire back, without kiling dozens of Euros every time. Bad, bad idea. Don't do it.

I'd like some proof Olmert was pressured by the United States to do anything. Olmert's been a disaster since the opening shots of this conflict. He lurched into battle, then hesitated, dragged his feet, thought about stopping due to propaganda, then considered doing something smart, and now appears to be throwing in the towel.

It's a war. Throw everything you can afford to throw in immediately. Beat the snot out of the enemy. Repeat.

Isn't this the guy who lives in the US and has been the subject of many a fatwa already for his views? His name rings a bell...

#49 Beagle
Don't leave out LLL posterboys Galloway, Sheehan, et all. If plots are foiled, they complain. If plots are caried through, they complain. Bitch, bitch, bitch.
My blood pressure is climbing. I'm not sure how long i'll last tonight without a complaint from CAIR or an appearance on lgf watch.

#32 ORD neighbor 8/10/2006 06:36PM PDT

Either stunning strategic deceit, or remarkable idiocy. Just some time, and we will know.

Tragically, I have to say the latter.

olmert isn't smart enough for the former.e was the worst Mayor of Jerusalem in the histroy of the modern state, and is proving himself to be the worst Prime Minister also.

I know this sounds a bit moonbat, but...

He was not elected.

First he was put in place by sharon, who is now dead, for all intents and purposes. (and good riddance)

sharon was corrupt, and this entire "disengagement" plan was brought about by a need to save his own neck and those of his his thug sons.

olmert abused his temporary time in the office of PM to Beat Jews and to appease arabs and the left.

olmert was kept in power not by any kind of mandate, but by the slimmest margin ever in the history of the modern state, and that being somewhere around ~30% of the voting public voting for his party, (as direct elections do not exist in the slightest) kadima(fia), made up of LLLabor and opportunists from the Likud.

This is not to mention the many examples of voting fraud, especially by LLLabor controlled and arab communities.

Ok class, let's review...

Those who understand the Islamist ethos know that for political Islam, disengagement, a cease-fire, or a pull back on the part of the “enemy” is a sign of its weakness.

Who said this exact same thing way back when?

Oh- wait, couldn't have been me, Carl in Jerusalem, westbankmama...

...could it?

Guess those of us who live here have no idea what we're talking about.

Just to recap - who said that olmert was a nobody who was going to appease and capitualte as soon as humanly possible?

3 guesses to start with.

May olmert have a stroke. And soon.

# 17 Catawba

I tried to follow your link and the page came up BLANK in the center. All the ads and stuff are there but nothing else. Your post is timestamped 6:22 PDT. Appears it didn't take too long for someone to run in and edit it.

Is someone from CAIR reading LGF?

#50 ibmkeyboard

Why the hell did you pick these people for neighbors?

It's worse than that! They're family. Disgraced, and cast out, but still family...makes ya really nauseous actually.

At the Battle of Long Island in August 30, 1776 Gen. William Howe had defeated Gen. Washington and had him surrounded at Brooklyn Heights. He could have smashed the revolt and ended the American revolution. He didn't and Gen. Washington escaped. That's why on Sept. 11, 1776 an American delegation was able reject terms for surrender by Gen. William Howe.

Howe hestitated and let his enemies escape to fight another day. The Israelis are making the same mistake. They should crush Hezbollah while they have the chance rather than making a similar mistake as Howe's.

This so goes.
Boston Irish vs Dearborn Moslem:

…Even at its height in the early to late 70s financial and logistical support was generally confined to a small, shadowy, dangerous group with the larger community simply voicing support. But it was always wise not to wear a Union Jack shirt in to the local Southie watering hole to watch a Celtics game.
But as I said that is a long gone era. You see the Irish of Boston became disillusioned and disgusted at the violence. And so ended mass popular support of the IRA. And now thank GOD the violence appears to be at an end. However decades of trust building remain.

Now lets look at Dearborn and Hezbollah.
Dearborn is ground zero for American Moslems as it were. And it is here that many parallels can be drawn. American Muslims see Israel as a fake nation and Jews as squatters on Moslem land. They see Hezbollah, Hamas, the PLO, Islamic-Jihad etc as freedom fighters trying to liberate their ancestral homeland…
Read the rest at
My site…Oh and Erin Go Bragh ‘n screw alah akbar!
[Link: amassachusettsrepublican.blogspot.com...]

56 McJenny50

# 17 Catawba
I tried to follow your link and the page came up BLANK in the center. All the ads and stuff are there but nothing else. Your post is timestamped 6:22 PDT. Appears it didn't take too long for someone to run in and edit it.

Is someone from CAIR reading LGF?

"Blank" = "nothing" = "a complete and thoroughly convincing page explaining all they've achieved to date in reining in their extremist co-religionists."

/if it changes from blank anytime soon, someone from CAIR is lurking.

If LGF has become magnetic to the likes of Rueters, CAIR and the FBI, and they're all here reading this in some shape or form, than why their silence? Perhaps some introductions are in order.

Mr. CAIR meet Mr. Reuters
Mr. Reuters, Mr. CAIR
Mr. CAIR meet Mr. FBI
FBI, CAIR
FBI, Reuters
Reuters, FBI

Now that we're all comfortable, welcome to the wonderful world of reality, where up is up and down...is...actually...down.

I know, tough for some of you to fathom, but please join the discourse, I think you'll find the truth refreshing.

I am going to remain confident, that this "cease fire", if it really happens, is only an attempt, to watch what Syria and Iran do, in regards to hezballah.

President Bush said just a week or so, ago, that a "cease fire" is going to clearly show who is serious about peace, and who isn't.

When hezballah breaks this cease fire, which I'm pretty sure that everybody already figures they will, it will then be a green light, not only for Israel, but for the USA, and the Western allies, to finish this job in the ME, with more than just Israel going about it pretty much alone.

hezballah isn't going to change, and everyone knows that, and given the fact that the USA can't seem to do, or say anything in private anymore, without some msm outlet leaking information, this ME war is going to have to be fought behind the scenes, in many ways, and it bothers us that we see a potential "cease fire" possibly taking place, yet we don't know, maybe, what is really being strategized behind the scenes.

I hope that President Bush does many things behind the scenes, because, not only do I not have any right to know everything that is going on behind the scenes, and it is foolish in this day and age, with the leftist msm a sworn enemy of democracy, freedom, America, and Israel, to show all the cards in the hand, because the plan gets leaked, and then the msm broadcasts it all over the world, including generously handing the plan right to our very enemies.

I hope that President Bush now prosecutes much of this war, out of the sight, and ears of the leftist msm, because they are really the ones, who have not allowed Israel, or the USA for that matter, to prosecute this war, the way it needs to be prosecuted, to be won!

The left will not allow it to be, and they have clearly said so much!

The USA, and Israel, and the West are not only fighting islamofascism, but they also have sworn enemies, in all the leftist msm, and the left in general.

How else could anyone properly prosecute a war, to win, with those, as enemies.

Hezbollah has declared victory. Thank you, Condi and Ehud and Shimon and Bill.

#31 mingjaiyo
Only one place I difer with your statement.
The idea that they take any retreat as weakness is not meerly religiously based, it is a part of their culture that is reinforced by their religion(or possibly vice-versa).
Brinksmanship is a core value in the culture.
If a poor (looking) person comes to buy an apple they offer to sell it for $.25, the poor person wails and moans and they sell it for $.05. Arich person comes along and they price the same apple at $.75, the rich man call him a thief and bitches and moans and get the apple for $.50.
All of them think they've gotten a bargain.

Combine this mentality with a millenium of teaching that all who are not of islam are evil and the Jews are worst of all and you have a recipe for a conflict that will only be solved by a major reformation of Islam ala Martin Luther (HA!), the destruction of Islam, or the dhimitude status of the rest of humanity.
Don't see much chance of 1 and won't tolerate 3.
MM

#63 aaron's rantblog

I recall Nasser declaring victory in'67 as his airforce was destroyed on the ground. S don't make too much out of the hysterical boastings of a tyrrant. There is no cease fire, nor a cease fire agreement, and not even a text for a cease fire agreement. This war isn't over yet.

"Hezbollah declares victory." Apparently Don Sonoria just screwed over Don Nasrallah. French troops are not acceptable. The deal appears to be off. Solozzo just might get one right between the eyes. It's not personal, just business.

Victory for Nas'rallah? Is he about to meet Allah?

OUST OLMERT NOW

I am heartsick over the despicable manner in which Ehud Olmert has handled the prosecution of the conflict with Hizballah. I am telling everyone I can with any possible voice in the proverbial corridors of power (whether in the US or in Israel) that immediate and overwhelming energies should be directed to Olmert's ouster.

Carl in Jerusalem's blog is one of the more outstanding venues--in a depressing way, sad to say--for a thorough look into the extent of Olmert's malfeasance, as well other dangers posed to Israel in a more external sense.[Link: israelmatzav.blogspot.com...]

I cannot easily contain my frustration and disgust at Olmert's self-serving spinelessness, nor can I easily quell my fears for the long-term safety of Israel. However much it may be the case that the profound and essential source of the threat to Israel is in the evil desires of so many in the Islamic "umma," still there can be no denying that this threat is demonstrably magnified these days, in the most perversely self-defeating way, by Olmert's toxic brand of narcissism.

He would be setting a wretched enough example in moral terms for Israel in circumstances of relative peace, but in the current situation I think it's more accurate to strike the word "wretched" and replace it with "terrifying," while substituting the word "moral" with the expression "commonsense strategic."

If you feel you concur, and if you feel you are in any reasonable position to make this view known among those you interact with, I'd be quite grateful. More concretely, if anyone can determine a democratically acceptable way to accelerate Olmert's departure from power, we should all get behind it vigorously and vocally in an overwhelming campaign of moral force.

Hiya All,

Man it's getting slow around here. Lots of visitors.

Found out another co-worker has a severe case of moonbattery. What was really odd was that he thought the problem was that the US has sent troops all over the world. Why was this odd? Because he is french.

I felt like asking him whether we should have gone in at Normandy, especially since Japan had attacked us, not Nazi Germany.

Then I realized it was a lost cause and tried to do something productive with my life.

Once again the spineless occupant of the White House will knuckle under to the left and cajole Israel into quitting. It's a very depressing time to be a conservative and a patriot. Tragically it looks as though a million Americans will have to die before anyone finds the courage necessary to stand up to the left and begin killing terrorists, deporting illegals and allow common sense rather than political correctness to guide our thinking.

I'm curious. What would constitute "winning" in this situation? How exactly could you tell if Hizb'allah has been defeated?

71...

The uneducated, illiterate, filthy maggots that comprise large portions of the middle east and persia will believe anything a "nasrallah" will tell them. This includes the word "victory", despite raw sewage flowing down their streets, 50+% unemployment rates, and the fact that in all probability, they will never set foot 20 miles from their place of birth.

#71 mollyshark

Nasrallah in pink mist form would do.

There seems to be cross-corroborated intel that he's running a war-room out of the Iranian embassy in Beirut, complete with 2 companies or so of IRGC thugs forming his protection. If Israel flattened that embassy and got someone into the compound in the immediate aftermath to verify Nasrallah's expiry on the premises (a la Zarqawi's demise), Israel would be at a point definable as victory at least where this specific conflict is concerned.

Olmert had options for doing just that presented to him even before Nasrallah first headed into a protected bunker, followed by the move to the Iranian embassy. There have been opportunities presented to him (Olmert) for taking out the Hizballah leader decisively.

Olmert brushed these aside. He never wanted a course of action for Israel that would interfere with the Olmert Family's ability to travel and enrich itself within various high-toned international circles.

Misunderestimated.

Questioning the President's friendship with Israel again I see.

The weakness that lost this war wasn't Israeli in origin, it came from the US.

We tried to capture this idea in our Snatching Defeat cartoon.

#21 galloping granny -- "Hezballah is declaring victory."

Why not? The have achieved a great victory thanks to the backstabbing West and the MSM 24/7 propaganda machine.

This cease fire is a disgrace and is the beginning of the end of Israel and the foundation for Islam's final assault on Europe and the USA.

#76 Forkum

Another great cartoon. You never cease to impress me.

The is more chance to win a lottery without buying a ticket, that for Israel to win a war
with Olmert as a PM.

We are tired of fighting, we are tired of being courageous, we are tired of winning, we are tired of defeating our enemies, we want that we will be able to live in an entirely different environment of relations with our enemies. We want them to be our friends, our partners, our good neighbors, and I believe that this is not impossible.

[Link: www.ipforum.org...]

Do not blame Bush. Nobody can help a nation that elects this leader.

One of the under-appreciated media deceptions of this war is the notion that Hezballah "wins by simply surviving." They are confusing the war with the upcoming Rocky movie. The specious argument supposedly goes that Hezballah will "win" popular support, "prestige," sympathy, etc. as if Israel has any prayer of achieving any of these regardless what they do. The media have simply pre-ordained that Hezballah will win regardless.

What Hezballah is claiming is what is commonly disdained in American culture as a "moral victory"...in other words, a loss. Hezballah has not driven the Israeli army out of Lebanon. It has not protected Lebanese targets from at-will destruction by the IDF. It has not forced Israel to release Hesballah detainees, the putative purpose of the raid that started this whole thing. They have not degraded Israel's ability to prosecute war, they have not cut off divisions, embarrassed supply lines or captured strategic goals. What they have done is killed people and destroyed buildings. Not to seem heartless, but that's what hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes do.

I suspect that there is a reason why Hezballah did not make good its threat to fire rockets at Tel Aviv if the IAF bombed Beirut. The missiles with range to strike Tel Aviv are reportedly unguided artillery weapons. If one is fired from Tyre at Tel Aviv 135 kilometers away, a five mile wide target subtends merely one and a half degrees of targeting angle. Add to this a light breeze and the effects of Coriolis acceleration when firing a projectile nearly due south, and chances are good that the thing ends up in the Mediterranean. It puts a dent in one's mystique to shoot a missile at an entire city and miss. But actually, this is what Hezballah has been doing for the most part. Read Haaretz flash news and see headlines like " Missle strikes open area near Tiberias. No injuries." A more accurate headline would be "Hezballah fires missile at Tiberias and misses the whole freaking town!" My guess is that Hezballah doesn't go for Tel Aviv without guided rockets, and Iran is not going to let them use those unless a ceasefire, leaving an intact Hezballah military, is imminent.

The media has set the bar ridiculously low for Hezballah, and we are letting them get away with it. The war can still be lost of course, through loss of nerve and weak politics. One thing is clear: Israel will not lose heroically faced with hopeless odds. If it loses at all, it will be because of poor choices and pursuit of approval over survival.

According to the Saudi Sheikh, Islamic laws (Shari’a) also “place preconditions and constraints on the declaring of jihad peaceful internal struggle against sin, which must be considered in order to ensure the greatest gain for the nation and spare it loss - [that is,] in order to ensure the minimum possible damage and avoid greater damage.

One of the preconditions regarding jihad peaceful internal struggle against sin [states] that the [the jihad peaceful internal struggle against sin fighters] must have [sufficient] capability to inflict harm on the enemy and to repulse its evil, so as to ensure the lives, the property, and the honor of the Muslims and to safeguard them from aggression or harm, that is, [from] destruction of property, from violation of honor, and from bloodshed.”

European states' like France's opposition to Israel isn't rooted in anti-Semitism so much as its rooted in colonial guilt and the perception of Israel as a "colonial" oppressor. and the idea that the underdog is always right.

i'd be more interested in why Hezbollah decided to attack at this time. i've only heard a) the Iranians prompted them to, and b) it was a show of support for the Gazan Palestinians. both of which sound like reasonable theories.

The immediate cost of any cease-fire (not really as Hizbolla won't honor it) will be the loss of about a half-dozen Israelis holding a static position. Since there are not clear terms of how or when an international force will replace the Israelis nor if Hizbolla will agree not to move back into position along the border the most likely result will be this conflict restarting within 6 months.

On the other hand, US support is worth some sacrifice (not of human life but of prestige). The problem with Hizbolla being able to "claim victory" is that it will result in them being stronger after this then before. If the US can find a way to prevent arms from flowing via Syria then a cease-fire is certainly worthwhile. That is the big question.

here is more information on how Olmert is screwing things up. His mistakes are piling up and Israel cannot afford to suffer this fool any longer.

[Link: web.israelinsider.com...]

What I don't understand is why, after what Hezbollah did to our Marines (among many other terrorist acts) we are not OPENLY assisting Israel using that simple fact as an explanation.

Why is the US incapable of seeking to avenge that act precisely on the same, continously despicable, pigs who attacked us?