But...but...terrorism in America doesn't exist! Didn't you hear? The threat was exaggerated!

/DUmmy

Not too bright, trying to use cellphones to execute a controlled demolition, but no one accused them of intelligence.

Sounds Like Cheney is trying to politicize it!
/

Still, they could have caused it to be closed for extensive repairs.

Can someone tell me why they needed 1,000 cell phones? I mean, maybe 5 or 10, but 1,000?

So nice to see the governor say the police aren't credible in their finding evidence of terrorism. Lovely.

Let's not paint these men, which represent a broad strata of society Mooslums, with too broad a brush here folks...

There is no terrorist threat

Michael Moore

I was wrong. I admit it. I thought these guys were benign.

I like to know what info isn't being reported but these guys were either posing as Arabs reselling phones or they flunked out of Al Qaeda U...

Palestinians? Terrorism? Nnnaaaah, there must be some mistake.

Oops......my bad......the Bushitlerburton crews were preparing for the controlled demolition (with cell phones) when they were found out by the coast guard. Another Bushco plot foiled!

"Hey Achmed, can you hear me now?"

Now why would such good boys try to blow up an innocent bridge?

Islam means Peace
Islam Means peace
Islam means Peace
Islam Means peace
Islam means Peace
Islam Means peace
Islam means Peace
Islam Means peace
Islam means Peace
Islam Means peace

nah. still doesn't sound right

PALESTINIAN "COLLABORATOR" LYNCHED IN JENIN BY PALESTINIAN ASSASSINS. (Photos)

The man admitted he gave Israel info about where to find the Islamic Jihad mass murderers.

He's doing his duty as a man who wanted real peace.

Don't expect Green Helmet Guy to rush into the place

I mean, didn't you see all those Hitlerburton rednecks from Texas with Palestinian masks on? I can see the little rubber bands.....And their names aren't Mohammed and Abdullah, they're Billy-Bob and Hank.....

Perhaps the idea was to blow up cars at either end first, trapping hundreds of cars, then make demands, get media airtime, threatening to blow up more cars every 30 minutes etc.

Another reason to like Wal-mart -- their employees are alert!

#6 Aladin Sane: No reason to assume the phones were all intended for one operation ... none that I can see ...

Huh? And I thought it was Presbyterians who targeted that bridge.

What I want to know is, why were the last two of the lot of those Egyptian students down in Rchmond, Virginia? Maybe it was the large concentration of Muslim university students they were trying to "melt into"?

Authorities contacted the office of Gov. Jennifer Granholm about the men, The Detroit News reported. Granholm spokeswoman Liz Boyd said: “At this point, there is no credible evidence of a terrorist activity” against the bridge.

Either Michigan will lose a governor, or they'll lose a bridge. With a bone head like that in the governor's office, I don't think the feds can save them from themselves.

5,464 online, and it's running kind of slow. What's up?

#21 RedPepper

I thought about that, but why stockpile so many at once? Why not buy them as you need them.

Of course if the authorities found out they were using cell phones as detonators, maybe they'd restrict the sale even more, so they'd have to stockpile.

Just seems like a lot of phones...

#24 e2m

Granholm must still have a lot of Canadian capitulator in her blood. . . .

The countdown for Olmert has begun

D'ose poor boys are just poor yoopers, dey are. D'ey wouldn't hurt a fly, d'ey wouldn't.

OT

She's ba-a-a-a-a-a-ck!

Wailing woman in the news again,it seems she's had another of her multitude of homes destroyed.

This is their homepage so I don't know how long the pic will be there.

Do they just have a portfolio of this woman's pictures?

I need help from a Canadian who can call Dave Rutherford show a POS from the Global Policy Forum lied about various resolutions
He said UN resolution 242 required Israel unilateral withdrawal which is an enormous lie it is a as land for peace and final border will change according to British UN ambassador who wrote the article. He can call Stockwell Day office to confirm this. He said hamas has not being involved in terrorist attack since Israel withdrawal. He brought up Sahab farms being part of Lebanon. I am away at 11:30 MDSAT when open line will be on can anybody be available to attack these lies.

What about our other infrastructure?

#26 Aladin Sane: Boyish enthusiasm?

/s

This all sounds very suspicious to me. The classic terrorist cell is very compartmentalized for security reasons. One hand never knows what the other is doing.

Perhaps these guys were the logistics cell (ie. the guys who acquire the transportation, the phones, rent the storage space, etc).

I hope the authorities are crawling up their ass with a microscope.

Maybe they planned to hit the bridge on Labor Day: href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackinac_Bridg e_Walk" target="_blank">
(sorry, can't get the link feature to work)

#28 zulubaby

That's part of the reason why I don't understand by the jihadis are celebrating their "victory." All this will do is convince Israel to vote in a hardline gov't, one that won't let a UN Resolution stop them from completing their mission.

We need to create a NO ISLAM ZONE surrounding the entire United States. Nothing less will stop these sh*t stains on humanity from carrying out their jihad in the name of their god called allah or their false prophet called muhammed.

Nothing short of an entire people being flushed down the tiolet will keep America safe from these jihadis. In NYC, I take out my cross and show it to them along with my vial of Pigs blood.

It is the duty of every American Christian to convert these people from their false religion of death and preach to them about ever-lasting life through Jesus Christ.

If I were a Muslim (heaven forbide) I would really question, not only the koran, but the whole islamic lifestyle. I would ask the question: If islam is the superior religion and way of life, then why didn't an islamic person invent all the things the west has? Well the 1979 Ayatollah Khomeni gave us the answer which was: The west has help from SATAN. It's the only explaination for the superiority of the West.

The sources say that, likely, the plan would have succeeded in bombing cars driving on the bridge, but not bringing the structure down.

Concur, though they might very well have to have it out of service for weeks inspecting and making repairs before certifying it safe for traffic.

OT
ABC radio news report
"... Israelis killed, over 700 Lebanese civilians killed..."

To the extent that the MSM will report on this at all, it will only be to say that it was "amateur hour" with jihad wannabes yet again.

Anytime domestic Muslim jihadists don't succeed, the media says they're harmless Keystone Kops, not a real threat (as if it requires great intelligence & planning to kill people).

If Atta et al. had been apprehended on 9/11, like the LAX Millennium bombers, the Buffalo and Atlanta groups, et al, the MSM would've said Atta & company were wannabes, too, and posed no real threat.

The public is still asleep, anesthetized by the media, by a government unwilling to name or confront the enemy, and by a deeply Ameriphobic education establishment.

#27 - Granholm is Canadian.

Here's a link for the Annual Bridge Walk:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

But they were just trying to exercise the American dream, turn a profit and make a better life. A fine example of the "Buy High Sell Low" principle of business, buy 1000 phones at retail then toss away the chargers and packaging and try to sell them for more than you paid for them. Makes sense to me.

There are legends about the acumen of Arab traders, but apparently these guys were playing hokey when the "clever Arab trader gene" was being handed out.

#40 Firebreather

Exactly. If you catch them before they do any damage, they're 'civilians' or wannabes, if they manage to kill a few Jooz, it's a Lone Gunman, nothing to see here. And if they do a suicide mission, there's no one to prosecute anyway.

Saw Charles on FoxNews again a little while ago, at his computer and standing at two very large flat panel screens looking at the real and fake Beirut bombing photos.

So proud of LGF!

First they wanted Cairo, then Caro.

First they wanted Al-Aksa, then Alaska.

To be continued...

#41 GotFrogs?
I think Granholm walks the bridge on Labor Day. You'd think she'd be more concerned.

24 Thank God for the US Coast Guard. Doing the jobs democrat governors won't do for their own people since August 2005 (at least).

A suggestion of the possible target from jpsfudimo:

That is interesting.
Every year here in Michigan we have what is called "The Bridge Walk". many high profile business people and politicians take the 5 mile hike across the bridge. This years walk is scheduled for Sept 4.

This is an election year so it is expected to be a large crowd.
I the past the numbers of Labor Day walkers have been 50,000 to 65,000.

Link

# 20 Savage Nation

Yes it is a large well built bridge. But on Sept 4 Labor Day there will be 50,000 to 65,000 people walking across that bridge during the anual Bridge Walk.
Any jihadi would consider that a target rich enviroment.

I hope security is very tight that day.

The Mackinac Bridge Walk is held every Labor Day in Michigan. Held since 1958, it is an annual event in which people may walk the length of the Mackinac Bridge. The walkers are traditionally led across by the Governor of Michigan, currently Jennifer M. Granholm. In an average year, 50,000 to 65,000 people participate in the 5-mile walk. This is more than the combined population of the two counties connected by the bridge.

Walkers are traditionally led across by the governor of Michigan, currently Jennifer M. Granholm. In an average year, 50,000 to 65,000 people participate in the five-mile walk.

#41 gf

Exactly. Well, Canadian-American, to be precise. Just saying that she remains infected with some Canadian multiculti sensibilities, I think. . . .

#28 zulubaby

I don't believe in ankle-biting, but I do have one tangible measure for a wartime leader: if he overrules the generals, does he have a good reason? I'm off the Olmert bandwagon for the simple reason that the IDF presented him with a workable plan, and he chose to modify it severely, with no strategic justification of his own.

If there's anything to be learned from comparing the way Clinton handled military matters to how Bush does, it's you listen to the generals, and don't be so egotistical as to think that you know better. In this regard, Olmert resembles Clinton. A lot. I'm very disappointed.

Geepers

I impress :)

#51 Mom of 9

I'll bet she has a more than adequate security detail. No such luck for the rest of the walkers.

Domestic Muslim terrorism is a regular feature of daily life in America.

How about the Muslim pilot of Egypt Air who prayed to Allah before deliberately downing an airliner on Halloween night, 1999, killing over 200 people, most of them tourists?

How about John Allen Muhammad & Lee Malvo, who justified their murderous sniper spree in 2002 in the name of Islam?

How about the attempted mass murder of Jews by fanatical Muslims at LAX, the murder at the Jewish center in Seattle, or the killings of Coptic Christians in New Jersey?

The list goes on and on and on. It is a LIE to say America has not been attacked on American soil by Muslim terrorists since 9/11. It is a lie if the media says it & it is a lie if the Bush administration says it.

#30 Totallly Sirius

torontoguy in the other thread also noticed that, but when I click, I get an old guy on 'the rubble' of his 'house'..

Did they already switch it? Anyone get a screen shot?

The sources say that, likely, the plan would have succeeded in bombing cars driving on the bridge, but not bringing the structure down.

Whew! At first I thought there was a credible threat.

Bullshit. They could have brought it down very easily.

Its late, 2315 BKK time... I love to support, analyze and contribute, but 0600 is on its way, and I'll be back then...

Fight the good fight, Liza Droids!

/spellchek

It's just matter of time anyway:

every day unknown numbers of muslims come to the States,
every day unknown numbers of mosques are being built in here,
every day the money from saudi arabia flows into the States to BUY politicians, journalists, "intellectuals".

It's just matter of time.
The rallies of the thugs will grow in number and in size.
The attacks will come and come again.

The door is open, the zombies are here.

And the fiLth column of the subversives and of the subversive media supports them.

The sources say that, likely, the plan would have succeeded in bombing cars driving on the bridge, but not bringing the structure down.

Whew, that's a relief! I was afraid somebody might get hurt if they were standing under the bridge. But only a few cars would have felt any pain.

Well, unless there were actually people driving them at the time.

jpsfudimo (#54),

Nah. Anybody that can cross that sucker on a motorcycle, tandem, in the rain, that's impress.

I can't believe no one has said this yet.

All your cellphones are belong to us!

I need help from a Canadian who can call Dave Rutherford show a POS from the Global Policy Forum lied about various resolutions
He said UN resolution 242 required Israel unilateral withdrawal which is an enormous lie it is a as land for peace and final border will change according to British UN ambassador who wrote the article. He can call Stockwell Day office to confirm this. He said hamas has not being involved in terrorist attack since Israel withdrawal. He brought up Sahab farms being part of Lebanon. I am away at 11:30 MDSAT when open line will be on can anybody be available to attack these lies.

I an gone in an hour.

Sources say...

Sources say most people should be skeptical of of what sources say.

#44 The Monster--

The media is beyond craven, and will sink to any level, plumb any depth, boot-lick any swampy bottom-feeding Muslim terrorist, drink tall glasses of bilge water, and eat raw sewage.

One more thing:

Sources also say that it is very unlikely the men could have succeeded in blowing up the Mackinac Bridge—even with the chips from 1,000 phones for 1,000 bombs—as it is several miles long (it’s the world’s third longest suspension bridge).

The "chips" from the phones (presumably they're talking about the identification ROM chips) can't do squat by themselves. They need the whole operational phone to be used as a detonation device.

Debbie, get your act together.

A thermite charge on one of the suspension cables could potentially bring the bridge down. The anchorages for the cables need to be guarded.

I'm glad to see that Ms. Schlussel is focused on real live plots and controversies, as opposed to smearing high school principals with the sins of their relatives.

I heard that Charles' fourth cousin twice removed served in the Waffen SS. Does that mean we must shun Charles and accuse him of being a Nazi?

Don't these terrorists know that Michigan voted for John Kerry? They're attacking the wrong target!

/Michael Moore off

One of the standard operating principles with 'reporting' on Islamic terrorism is "minimize the potential for disaster" ie:

-they couldn't have brought down the bridge-they were just amateurs
-home grown terrorists are just scruffy kids
-missiles hitting Israel from Gaza are just home made ones, just like home-made pita bread
-home grown terrorists are disorganized, with no connection to global jihad

Also-throw in the obligatory SUCH A NICE GUY comment, just like the Nazi war criminals who do their gardening and volunteer at the local children's hospital...

Quite OT:

Did anyone catch Jill Carroll this AM on Today? I'd like to see what she had to say about her very nice captors.

I think these guys are the cell phone "cell". They only buy phones with a specific chip. I do not think it is any fancier than providing disposable phones to other cells to avoid tracking. They need a lot of phones to do that and the phones only have limited minutes of talk time before they shut down.

Of course the batteries are useful for lots of other things. It is the phone that is disposable. If the caller has one battery and one recharger, he can work his way through a bunch of phones before the battery craps out for good.

I think that for the bad guys this is just a way around being monitored.

#71 Gordon

I have heard that your mother and father were first cousins, which means we should disregard all spew that comes out of your mouth.

#71 Gordon

You are such a chicken shit anyway. Why don't you just go ahead and call Charles a Nazi? That seems to be what you want to do with your ridiculous comment.

#24 E2M

With a bone head like that in the governor's office,

I can't remember the nic, but an LGF regular has self-identified as her brother.

Palestinian-Americans from Texas? WTF were they doing in Michigan?

zulubaby, from your link:

Why did Olmert and his ministers falter at the last minute? Was he unable to withstand international pressure at the critical moment? Was the scepter of lengthening casualty lists too much for him?

I wonder if the US just told him to back down because of the Aug 31 deadline on Iran coming up at the UN?

I need help from a Canadian who can call Dave Rutherford show a POS from the Global Policy Forum lied about various resolutions
He said UN resolution 242 required Israel unilateral withdrawal which is an enormous lie it is a as land for peace and final border will change according to British UN ambassador who wrote the article. He can call Stockwell Day office to confirm this. He said hamas has not being involved in terrorist attack since Israel withdrawal. He brought up Shaba farms being part of Lebanon. I am away at 11:30 MDSAT when open line will be on can anybody be available to attack these lies.

Gordon, fuck off.

hey despite their constant attempts to prove otherwise these guys ain't that stoopid...a simultaneous attack on Americas (largely undefended )bridges would be a major coup,not to mention a great disruption to commerce

What's that smell? Oh, hi Gordon. What's the matter, did one of your idols over at DU get tombstoned?

#71 Gordon

Do you have proof of your assertion?

If not,then that is libel.

#76 tedzilla99
The Jill Carroll Story - Chapter 1: The kidnapping
I find it quite an interesting story. I don't know when Chapter 2 is coming out.

#70 JohnAnnArbor

Nonsense.

FT, or any other transportation/structural engineers out there, I would welcome your input on this. It appears that we have some "experts" here, a la WTC.

taxfreekiller = a pussy

#81 Grayp

That would be bobgranholm

#71 Nodrog?

WTF? What mushrooms did you put in your omlette this morning?

I just got done building a hardware cloth and cement block replica of the Makinak bridge and by experiments with lighter fluid and M-80s,I proved that the only way it could be destroyed is by controlled demolition,terrorists couldn't do it.

Schlussel says that the Dearborn High Principal and his wife have "relatives" in Hizbullah (no mention of how close these relatives allegedly are). So they must be fired and deported, obviously.

Gordon says that Zulubaby's "relative" was Hendrik Voerwoerd, notorious formulator of apartheid in South Africa. Therefore, Zulubaby is a fascist and should be banned from LGF.

Same logic, zulubaby. Maybe now you will get it.

#92 TotallySirius

I just got done building a hardware cloth and cement block replica of the Makinak bridge and by experiments with lighter fluid and M-80s,I proved that the only way it could be destroyed is by controlled demolition,terrorists couldn't do it.

Cool, but what does this have to do with Rove being indicted on May 12th?

jpsfudimo

Thanks! (wonder why I couldn't remember the nic - sheesh!)

I think Nodrog is really Markos/Kos

They could have destroyed portions of the bridge with an angle grinder or a blue wrench very easily, let alone explosives.

Awww, Gordon is defending Nazis again.

TFK, I was in that parking lot outside of "Spanky's Bar" in Fort Worth at 2 A.M. Saturday three weeks ago waiting for you. Were those your feet I saw sticking out from under that 1983 Ford Pinto in the back of the lot?

#68 "The media is beyond craven, and will sink to any level, plumb any depth, boot-lick any swampy bottom-feeding Muslim terrorist, drink tall glasses of bilge water, and eat raw sewage."

Now, c'mon, Firebreather, don't sugar coat it like that ...

I doubt seriously the intent was to bring down the bridge. More likely is that there were to be multiple blasts ON the bridge during the annual walk described by various other posters. Synchronized suicide bombings (or even non-suicide blasts) would have caused horrific bodily injuries, and outright panic (i.e., there would be only two means of access for emergency vehicles, one on either side of the span, thus all but elimiating any access to those injured further on to the bridge).

#95 Targetpractice

LOL

Merry Fitzmas.

LOL

#75 WriterMom

One of the standard operating principles with 'reporting' on Islamic terrorism is "minimize the potential for disaster" ie:

-they couldn't have brought down the bridge-they were just amateurs

That's not what they're saying. What they're saying is that there's so much redundancy in the structure, that it would take literally hundreds of very precisely placed and timed charges to actually cause the bridge to collapse. This would be virtually impossible to place without being detected. And the timing using cellphones wouldn't be accurate enough.

It would, however, be likely that if they did succed in placing a few charges, that the bridge would be closed for weeks, if not months, while engineers inspect it, and order repairs. I wouldn't want to be the engineer to certify that a bridge that had been hit with multiple bombs is safe for traffic.

#81 grayp

I can't remember the nic, but an LGF regular has self-identified as her brother.

Her brother's name is Bob and he uses his real name here. He's in the service as I recall.

Palestinian-Americans from Texas? WTF were they doing in Michigan?

Story I heard was that they were buying the phones in Michigan and were going to re-sell them in Texas. I guess you can't buy disposable cell phones in Texas. Who knew?

Gordon says that Zulubaby's "relative" was Hendrik Voerwoerd ..

Listen dummy, when are you going to understand that your saying say doesn't make it true. You're a pathological liar -- that's your idea of "logic". Go bother someone else.

81 grayp

Bob Granholm

If you look at some of his post he was supporting her support for arab-americans in Dearborn.

OT - I just saw Stone's WTC last night. In one scene he shows the faces of people around the world as they first hear on radio or see on TV the destruction in NYC. Many of these images are of arabs watching solemnly or in disbelief. None ever smile, and there are certainly no celebrations. So, Stone inserts a major historical lie in the midst of his tribute. Also, the only mention of the Pentagon is that a "missile" may have hit the Pentagon. Besides the film's bloated interior focusing on two Bus Terminal policemen buried under the collapsed buildings, these buried politically motivated inaccuracies make the film much less than it could have been.

One shining light is Michael Shannon's portrayal of Marine Staff Sargeant Karnes, who certainly defines the word hero.

#92 TotallySirius

Cute. Of course, with the right technical backing, and unlimited access to the structure, and a hardwired detonation system, they could bring it down.

Do you really think they could do that without being spotted? Or do you also believe that the WTC was brought down by a controlled demolition by hundreds of charges that no one in the building ever saw being placed?

99 gosh Gordon, I thought folks like you stood for the disadvantaged. Perhaps only so you can make fun of them later?

105 zulubaby - remember the leftisit mantra fake but accurate. Gordon has no concern for the truth. It is much easier to repeat a lie until people start believing it. Then, according to the likes of gordon it becomes the truth.

#104 Killer Tomato

Story I heard was that they were buying the phones in Michigan and were going to re-sell them in Texas. I guess you can't buy disposable cell phones in Texas.

Hmmm. I wonder if they're known to Texas law enforcement? I mean, Michigan is not exactly next door.

I think most of you are falling for media hype and wild accusations put forth by unknowledgeable county prosecutors. If this is evidence of terrorism the Duke Lacrosse players are serial rapists.

This is a link to Tracphone

The Motorola C139 is $19.99.

This is the phone on Ebay

The unlocked Motorola C139 is selling for $19.99 plus $9.99 to $29.97 in shipping.

And just to make sure, this is a link to completed listings of Unlocked Motorola C139s on Ebay.

You may need to be logged in for this last link to work. I searched completed auctions using the search phrase “UNLOCKED C139”. People are paying $35 to $60 when shipping is included. As you may or may not know, people often wildly inflate shipping costs and lowball product costs on Ebay.

Phones can be used as detonators. Gasoline can be used to make bombs. Guns are often used by terrorists. But having a can of gasoline and a few guns in your pickup as you cross the Mackinac bridge does not make you a terrorist bomber… it probably makes you a hunter headed for deer season on the Upper Peninsula. If these guys are terrorists the phones are just incidental.

I know we are in World War IV and most of the West has not figured it out yet. But, witch hunts and false alarms hurt the cause folks.

#40 Firebreather:

The public is still asleep, anesthetized by the media, by a government unwilling to name or confront the enemy, and by a deeply Ameriphobic education establishment.

Immediately after 9-11, Bush had a golden opportunity to put the unpleasant facts before the public, when the public was solidly united and angry and ready for action. Instead, Bush limited his 18 September 2001 speech to the threat from al-Qaeda, and suggested that "Islam means peace"--so all Muslims except card-carrying al-Qaeda members must be peaceful.

And that was totally false. (The new documentary "Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West" is a better explanation of why we're fighting than anything Bush has ever said.)

I've never been able to figure out if Bush knew it was false, and deliberately lied because he feared an anti-Muslim panic in this country--or because he really believed it. In any case, if even we right-wingers didn't utter the truth publicly, no one else could be expected to either.

Fox News interviewed the wife of one of the men. She did not wear a veil and said they were just trying to make money. I'm inclined to believe her.

IIRC, Bob Granholm was in the Canadian Armed forces, in Alberta. It's possible that his sister is an American governor, but I'd question that.

OTOH, I met one of Ralph Naders's cousins from Quebec once. Interestingly, she was very smart and sane.

Are you really that dense, zulubaby?

I don't hold TFK's disability against him.

After all, some of my best friends are from Texas ...

I can see where this is going - any palestinian or person of middle eastern descent with a backpack full of cell phones is ghoing to get racially profiled!

We're going to lose our rights people, the Bu$h Hitler McHaliburton is going to put camera sin our houses and enslave us all!

Damn, I ALMOST said that with a straight face. :D

Unfortunately, it'll take another 9-11 style incident before people get sick of the PC shackles and start profiling. Profiling doesn't infer guilt, it just makes it easier to find the guilty ones.

113 jester6. Please explain to me what kind of person is interested in one of these "unlocked" phones, sans charger and battery? And why the hell would anybody legit pay twice what he could pay for the whole package in a Wal-Mart?

Drug dealers? Terrorists?

Why would trashing the product double its value?

Sorry, I'm just not a criminal.

#87 Killgore Trout

Thanks mate...I'm waiting for the jihad sympathy chapter :)

G-d but you're a boring troll, Gordon. Go play in the traffic.

Idiot.

PalsyClown: While profiling should start, we shouldn't rely on it entirely. If we rely too much on profiling, our enemies will start using human bombs that don't look like swarthy Arabs.

And, unfortunately, radical Islam is the newest messianic cult that will attract all sorts of nuts. It's following in the squalid footsteps of 19th century anarchism and 20th century fascism and communism.

jester6,

OK, how do you explain the maps of the Mackinac Bridge in their possession? Remember, the scum are from Texas not Michigan.

I don't believe that uncovering more "potential terrorist attacks in the making" is going to cause this country to get serious about fighting the IslamoNazis on a worldwide basis. There will always be those who refuse to believe what they are seeing, and the MSM will continue to harp on the "doubts", for "balance" and to keep from appearing to agree with GWB.

Even more airplane hijackings and massacres at Jewish Community Centers won't do it. Unfortunately, it's going to take a nuclear explosion in a major American city.

With Cities with a mooslim population like Dearborn, the state & local police can't look for any support from Gov. Granholm; she'll be too busy trolling for the islamofascist vote!

Peter V. I dunno. Why in the world did they go all the way to Michigan? Palestinian "Road Trip" time for the guys? Work picking blueberries? (yeah, right).

NYexpat,

Exactly! That woman had two strikes from the beginning. She was born in Canada and went to Univerity of Michigan. There is no hope for the twit!

jester6,

How about the flight manifest's and schedules from the Ohio phone reselers merchants
youths.

Re: #16, Stefania's link

Photo #5 shows a pious muslim woman in white stepping on the throat of a "collaborator."

A picture of a religion of bloody tortured peace and an angel of a bloody murder.

Here is the link again, just in case:
PALESTINIAN "COLLABORATOR" LYNCHED IN JENIN BY PALESTINIAN ASSASSINS. (Photos)

#137 TFK: Probably from the bank.

man, this guy is good

It is all a Bush plot to convonce us to invade more peaceful soverign nations like Iran.

127 tfk. Yes, how did 3 20 year old Palestinians get $20,000 cash to buy 1000 $20 phones?

I sure as hell never had that kind of cash at that age. And I wasn't a "disadvantaged refugee."

It is all a Bush plot to convonce us to invade more peaceful soverign nations like Iran.

/moonbat off

TFK: I don't know where the records are. Have you asked unSenator Fatso Kerry where they are? He would probably know better than I do.

But when you ask be polite, it works better in achieving results.

The world of fuzziness, those are the people the world loves. Remember that.

#113 jester6

If I understand correctly, a tracfone is not unlocked; it's set to work only with their network. If there's a hack that allows them to totally unlock it, then that might make sense (in which case tracphone needs to plug the hole), but otherwise, there's no way to sell them as unlocked.

Few things can be as bad for Muslim PR in Michigan as this.

My fellow Michigander Lizardoids will attest to this.

Big Mac aka Mighty Mac is perhaps the iconic image of our state - it's on our license plates and is a source of great pride to Michiganders. Unlike the porkbarrel "bridge to nowhere", Big Mac (which @ 5 miles long competes with the Verrazano Bridge in NYC for the title of longest suspension bridge in the US, maybe the world), was paid for not by the feds but by the citizens of Michigan and by tolls. Before the bridge was built, the only way to get to the Upper Peninsula was either to take a ferry (which could take a day or two during hunting season) or go around Lake Michigan into Wisconsin. In the 50s when Gov. G. Mennan "Soapy" (yeah that Mennan) Williams got behind the building of the bridge, Wall Street at first wouldn't float construction bonds, because living in NYC they couldn't understand why anyone would build a bridge that big 300 miles from the nearest population center. Not only was the bridge built, the bonds were paid off. Tolls pay for upkeep - it is constantly repainted.

Built to withstand 300 MPH winds, the Mackinac Bridge (pronounced Mackinaw) is one of America's great structures and one of civil engineering's greatest achievements. An elegant, beautiful bridge that provides access to God's own backyard, the Upper Peninsula, the bridge is a vital link that unites our state's two land masses.

Perhaps they were targetting the bridge because it was designed by Dr. David B. Steinman, a dreaded Jooooo. When asked how long Mackinac would last, he supposedly answered, "How long will the Pyramids last?".

More here

and here

MackinacBridge.org

Gordon,

For assholes like you there is no hope. I just hope that you have not reproduced and passed the stupid gene onto another generations of imbecils.
May the next terrorist attack find you in the middle and blow up your stupid ass to Pluto.

Ya know, it is kinda funny. The Michigan boys go to Ohio to buy their hundreds of tracphones. The Texas boys go to Michigan to buy their tracphones. Where do the Florida boys go...New Jersey?

My understanding is that the phones they are buying come with some pre set number of minutes and they are untraceable since they are bought for cash. After a few calls they can be tossed away. So even if by some million to one shot they are listend to on the call it is soon gone and a new phone takes its place.

#137 amyc

Plus 6% sales tax, plus gas to run around and buy these 3 at a time, plus living expenses....

Definitely one of the Gordon's that hasn't done its home work on what the others have previously posted.

#115 Peter V.

If their intent was to resell them at a profit, why did they take them apart and put the various components in separate piles? Who the hell is going to buy such a mutilated phone? Also, why would anyone want to buyg a WHOLE phone fpr a price that would bring the sellers a profit, when the buyers could simply go to a local Wal-Mart and buy the same phone for the same price the seller paid?

I think it's clear these phones were purchased by evil purposes.

TFK: wrong threat - the commies were vanquished. It's the [bigoted word]s you want to kill now, right?

#149

er...FOR evil purposes, not BY evil purposes.

#121 amyc

Sometimes products are priced very differently in different markets. We have all heard about prescription drugs from Canada. The Canadians force drug companies to sell their stuff cheaply up there. So busloads of seniors head to Canada and some Canadian pharmacies do mail-order business with the States. This is a similar story.

These phones are GSM phones. They are the standard system used throughout most of the world except for the US. With a GSM phone you take your SIMM card (a little card like a XD memory card you might have in a digital camera) from one phone and just pop it into another and you are good to go. The SIMM card has all your billing information, phone list, wireless apps etc.

If you have ever lost or destroyed your phone before the contract was up you know how expensive it is to buy a replacement. Instead of going back to your carrier and paying through the nose you can buy one of these and just pop your chip in.

As to why the packages are broken down it is likely for shipping. The retail packages are pretty bulky. If you break the retail packaging down you can get many more phones in a box. There are weight as well as volume restrictions for USP, FedEx and everyone else.

The batteries are heavier and are considered hazardous materials. You can ship them but you have to declare them and pay extra for the service. You would not want to pay for hazmat on the whole phones… you save a lot of you only ship the batteries as hazmat.

I am not sure about the chargers. Since many of these phones are going overseas and they do not use the same voltage it is likely they are worth less. But it is always easier to pack homogenous items together for dense shipping.

Chances are these guys get paid a couple bucks per phone as a bounty and ship them to someone who sells them on eBay. The eBay seller histories show many phones sold by the same people. Someone found a price discrepancy and is exploiting it. It really is just a form of arbitrage.

There really is a reasonable explanation for all this.

Just don't feed the troll!

the commies were vanquished.

Obviously from the mind of a know nothing neo-commie.

Did Jester leave? I would honestly like an answer. I've seen that people get ripped off buying these things on ebay, I just don't understand why. Are they stupid, or is there some actual advantage to a normal person to pay double for a semi-wrecked product?

Or is this simply a product for criminals and terrorists, and those who want to be part of the whole bad-boy chic craze? Ya know, $50 limited use phone, $100 Che tshirt and shades, Daddy's BMW crowd.

This is all just a plot by Bush so he could annex the UP and invade parts of Canada from the north.

I guess Gordon is ready to do a step dance with that muslim woman in white - on the throats od infidels.

A muslim woman in white - dancing a dance of death

A good Commie and a good Islamist and a good LLL moonbat all have the same thing in common...

The TracFones are GSM units, the same technology used in Europe, the MIDDLE EAST (Iraq?), Asia, etc. The difference is that US GSM operates on different frequencies than GSM outside the US. Verizon, Sprint, etc., phones will not work over there, wrong technology.

These guys were looking for specific phone models; we haven't been told what manufacturers and models but I'd put money that the ones they are looking for are easily converted to run on the non-US GSM frequencies. They were tossing away the chargers because they are probably only 110v cheapos and won't work in most of the rest of the world which generally uses 220v (with a few exceptions).

My bet is that these guys are scarfing up untracable cell phones destined for places like Iraq to be used as either one-time phones or to set off IEDs to kill US soldiers.

If they were actually looking for business opportunites, a wholesale distributor would give them much terrific pricing on 1000 units --- but distributors keep records, the retail purchases are essentailly untracable.

With Cities with a mooslim population like Dearborn, the state & local police can't look for any support from Gov. Granholm; she'll be too busy trolling for the islamofascist vote!

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Exactly! That woman had two strikes from the beginning. She was born in Canada and went to Univerity of Michigan. There is no hope for the twit!

Granholm is a moderate Democrat and no twit. Michigan may be considered a blue state, but other than Republican John Engler (who was a superb governor) we've had Dems in Lansing my entire life. The interesting thing is that they tend to be moderate Dems. Remember, we have some very large and important business firms here too. Granholm has good relations with the Jewish community here (yeah, they pay for her campaigns, lol).

As for UofM, Ann Arbor certainly is a liberal hothouse, but not everyone there is Juan Cole. The hard sciences and engineering school there are still first rate and haven't been politicized too badly. The med school is highly rated, and my best friend is politically conservative but attended the law school there. Like I said, Granholm is no twit, she graduated from UofM law school, which has no dummies.

I probably will vote for DeVos in Nov. (holding my nose because scAmway is the closest thing to a legal pyramid scheme that you'll find), but Granholm hasn't done a bad job, considering she's been dealt a terrible hand vis a vis the manufacturing sector of our economy. She worked very hard to get a Toyota plant built here, only to be undermined by the UAW.

JammieWearingFool

This is all just a plot by Bush so he could annex the UP and invade parts of Canada from the north.

Natch. Were there any levies in the area to blow up while they were at it?

#153 jester6

Also GSM phones (a standard which is become obsolete, btw) can be locked to work only within a certain network. However, there is a thriving market of mobile phone unlocking.

There is also a thriving market of phones of dodgy origin in Italy; I don't know about the US.

However, Arabs + Suspicious activities = In-depth investigation.

Oh the mighty Mac is an awesome bridge. I've driven over it many times. But its not a pleasant experience if you are at all skiddish about driving over bridges. Especially when there are high-wind advisories and the bridge sways back and forth. You look to your right to see a 3' high guardrail that would only be a speed-bump on a 100' descent.

I once sat at the top of the bridge for 30 minutes during a high-wind advisory in the right Southbound lane in a Chevy Malibu when an accident closed down all traffic. The car was bouncing back and forth in the breeze and I really thought it going to be the end for me and my car. My fingers were cramped from gripping the wheel as tight as I could for half an hour.

But as awesome as Mighty Mac is I don't see why it would be a terrorist target. There isn't much of anything in the UP but yoopers, pasties, smoked fish, and beer. Which is why I love going there.

The Ambassador Bridge between Detroit and Windsor is another story. Shutting down that bridge would be a severe economic blow to the US and Canada as nearly 1/4 of all commerce between the 2 nations crosses the border there.

Oops. Thanks Jester. So these tracphones allow somebody to make international calls? Our verizon guy said my husband would have to lease a global satellite phone to call us from overseas while he's deployed to (location unknown...but sandy) later on.

I could go to Wal-Mart and pay 19.99 for a phone he could call us on? No global sat phone required?

#89 Gordon

taxfreekiller = a pussy

Right about now, I'd be real careful Gore-nut.

It still doesn't explain the travel all the way to Michigan from TX to purchase them. That travel is expensive.

#153 jester6

Get real. Nobody does that kind of volume on ebay, of items out of their original packaging. Per your own link, there are a grand total of 5 of those on there right now, one with 4 available, the rest single auctions. A total of 9 phones to be sold over the next week.

They're not selling 1000 phones on ebay.

What is it with these muslim apologists that does not allow them to see the whole picture? Is it some brain defect?

It is nut just THE PHONES. It is the maps, the money, the distance they traveled to acquire the phones, the obcure town (Caro) they chose to carry out the purchases, etc, etc.

# 166 mich-again

Yes, I've a feeling that the bridge thing is either a coincidence or a red herring, and I'm leaning to coincidence. The phones are the objective.

I heard that Charles' fourth cousin twice removed served in the Waffen SS. Does that mean we must shun Charles and accuse him of being a Nazi?

[taxfreekiller = a pussy ]

[Gordon says that Zulubaby's "relative" was Hendrik Voerwoerd, notorious formulator of apartheid in South Africa. Therefore, Zulubaby is a fascist and should be banned from LGF.]

[TFK, I was in that parking lot outside of "Spanky's Bar" in Fort Worth at 2 A.M. Saturday three weeks ago waiting for you. Were those your feet I saw sticking out from under that 1983 Ford Pinto in the back of the lot? ]

[Are you really that dense, zulubaby?]

[But when you ask be polite, it works better in achieving results.]

#161 JohnSteele

There are multiband GSM phones that can be used in the USA & rest of the world.

The idea of shipping them to the Middle East for probably nefarious purposes makes sense.

"...nut" SHOULD READ ".."not"

Sure didn't take Gordon long to put his tail between his/hers legs and run away.

By-by gordie. (-:

Alright, I haven't seen this bridge, but I think Schlussel has it wrong. It doesn't matter how long a suspension bridge is--you only need to break it in one place. And if you can do that the right way (if the tension compared to tower strength is high enough), then a single cable snapped could even bring down the towers. Theoretically.
But saying that the bridge is longer does nothing to prove it is hard to destroy. If anything, that might make it easier--higher stresses "at rest".

I don't know why those yoots bought 1,000 cellphones, but unless they were completely retarded, it wasn't (just) taking out the Mackinack.

Is this the shortbus version of Nodrog?

#167 amyc

It all depends on whether there's local cell service, and what the system is. There are parts of the US with no cell service; in fact, very large areas in the Rocky mountains and Alaska. If you're out in the boonies, you need one of those satellite units. But in Baghdad, cell phones should work, but only certain ones.

Looks like RoP has declared war on Yooperland....the camel haulers do not have a chance...will murdercait them with pasties and Bosch beer.....Yahhh you right, you betcha..

#169 amyc

Just like the anthrax scare in State College
[Link: www.centredaily.com...]
Why would anybody mail flour & sugar to themselves? It is cheaper to simply buy a new bag than to mail it.

/They won't tell us who it was.

178 haakondahl
50,000 people walking on that bridge on Labor Day, who cares if it comes down or not.
A lot of people would have been killed/injured.

#175 FabioC
Yes, there are multiband phones for worldwide service, I have one.

My guess is that the models they were looking for are actually multiband phones with the non-US bands disabled and easily enabled and unlocked. Manufacturers do this all time, in the end its cheaper to design a unit that works across the board and then configure it for the end market just before shipment. There are lots of US models of various phones that are identical to their European counterparts --- probably just a hardware jumper or a software setting before shipment.

#179 loppyd

This is "snotty" nodrog, with us today for our entertainment.

#132 jpsfudimo

I don't know about the flight manifests. They could be evidence or they just could be scrap paper someone brought home from work. I had a relative who worked at a hospital when I was a kid. I used to draw on the back of the medical records. I still know people who bring home reams for reports.

It really could be a coincidence. If these guys really were terrorists I would expect the feds to elbow there way into the case. Afterall, they all crossed state lines. This is clearly a federal issue.

#141 Earth2Moonbat

They are locked. But you can download software to your laptop and unlock them. Most phones use some sort of flash memory so the software can be updated. If you make the phones non-updateable you cannot upgrade the software when bugs are found. It is probably easier to take the hit on grey market sales then risk having millions of useless phones.

#125 alomostout

I'll bet half the cars on I75 have maps with bridge on it. These guys probably have never seen a bridge that big. And when my parents crossed it a few years ago they stopped and took pictures and tape too. As a matter of fact they taped their drive across it. I guess the tape could be considered an instrument of torture to anyone forced to watch it… but that is a stretch.

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I think you are connecting dots and seeing a conspiracy when there really ain't. Think of all the crazy things 9/11 conspiracy nuts cite as evidence of a cover-up when it can easily be explained by something as simple as airplanes weigh less then big buildings.

Remember Occam's Razor. As someone once told me, “When you hear hoof beats think horses, not zebra’s”

#174 Orson Buggy
Amazing, isn't it?

Greg,

The islamists do not stand a chance against the uppers.
From Traverse City on is Bush country. We are armed and we are deadly. Ask the deer population around there.

Oops again. Thanks annelid and Fabio C. My technical ignorance knows no bounds. But unlike the incurable dhimmy, I want to learn the truth!

Just so we have a geographic perspective of where the UP is.

So the indignant moonbat asks Why do they call it Lake Superior? Is that lake so much better than the other lakes?

This will lead to the inevitable renaming of Lake Superior to Lake We're No Better Than Anyone Else.

#185 Earth2moonbat

This one's got a theme:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Greg,

The islamists do not stand a chance against the uppers.
From Traverse City on is Bush country. We are armed and we are deadly. Ask the deer population around there.
---(snippet)

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almostout...

Yooperland---Land of the Jackpine Savage and Tamarack Swamp and occasional Pasty Drive-In (yummm...I am getting hungry for Pasties).

Hey, RoPers....do not go north of da' bridge!

#174 Orson Buggy

--Nice recap of the latest stream of stupidity from everyone's least favorite LGF member. So many words but such little substance--truly amazing.

Tbat said, if this is not enough to get him banned, nothing will be. He's pretty much broken every "rule" that Charles has laid down right here in this thread.

Hi! Id like to buy 50,000 marbles please!

Why blow that bridge? I will make it harder for them to sneak in from Canada.

Greg,

Although I am not from there (my husband is), I have learned to love the area and the people. We spend half of the year up there and the other half on the blue part of the State (spit, spit!). We cannot wait to finally move there full time.

Annelid. OK thanks. I guess I see a bit about the how, just don't get the why. Why would a person need an unlocked phone? Does it become untraceable? Free calling forever? Certainly not disposable unless one is rich enough to consider 20-50 bucks a pop disposable.

Still scratching my head....

And it's hard to imagine the wife of a 20 year old thinking it's fine and dandy for her husband to go on some extended Fandango to Michigan with the fellas.

Unless the folks who give the TX and MI boys their money for the phones are headquartered there (cough, Dearborn? cough) and won't pay for shipped goods. It would be a hell of a lot cheaper to buy the phones in TX and mail them parcel post to MI, but the recipients may not want the scrutiny.

I'll bet half the cars on I75 have maps with bridge on it. These guys probably have never seen a bridge that big.

I suppose when Ramsey Yousef bought his "sight-seeing in Lower Manhattan" map that was just peachy, too--right?

#162 ronnie schreiber: You're straying from LGF orthodoxy to apostasy there dude, so watch out! There are no good Democrats, except for Joe Lieberman, but only after he was defeated in the primary.

But I have to give the LGF world credit, it's not a complete Republican shill machine. After all, when George Bush advocated a sensible immigration policy that didn't result in 11 million people being thrown in jail, then deported, he was roundly pilloried by the LGF illiterati.

By the way, Charles, have you bothered to answer my questions posed to you on my profile?

#167 amyc

I am pretty sure you could get these phones to work overseas but it would be a hassle if you are not a hacker. Probably cheaper to buy a global GSM phone.

#170 earth2moonbat

Maybe not on eBay, but I am sure you can sell them to independent cell phone shops and they could make money with them. Especially in Europe.

Check out the stores these sellers operate. OEM_wireless out of Kansas has 6000 + transactions (although all obviously not tracphones)

And to whoever said GSM is a dead standard. It has been a few years since I have been working in that industry so you may be right. But my tri-band phone still operates in analog mode because there are places between cities without digital service. Analog has been outdated for 10 years but they are still making them. As a matter of fact, I think Alltel will only sell phones with analog capabilities.

These guys may be terrorists. But this is not enough evidence to take them out to the tree and string them up. This smells a little like the Richard Jewelcase to me.

Unless the folks who give the TX and MI boys their money for the phones are headquartered there (cough, Dearborn? cough) and won't pay for shipped goods. It would be a hell of a lot cheaper to buy the phones in TX and mail them parcel post to MI, but the recipients may not want the scrutiny.

Exactly! Why isn't anybody talking about the possible connection between the guys from Dearborn and the ones from Texas? If the follow the money, I bet the trail ends in Dearborn with the same people financing both groups.

#167 amyc: Your husband may be able to use his regular phone if it's a quad band (operates on 800/900/1800/1900) or tri band (800/900/1800). Mine is a triband and it worked just fine in the UK. I had to manually switch the frequency, and before I went I bought an overseas calling plan ($5.99 per month plus 99 cents per minute of airtime). However, an older, cheaper phone would not work outside the U.S. If you're due for a phone upgrade, it would be worth it because the airtime minutes are cheaper than a prepaid plan. I got my phone for free although I did have to extend my plan for two years.

And HaShem opened up the mouth of the ass and it spoke:

Schlussel says that the Dearborn High Principal and his wife have "relatives" in Hizbullah (no mention of how close these relatives allegedly are). So they must be fired and deported, obviously.

Gordon,

From Debbie's web site

Imad Fadlallah's wife, Susan, is the daughter of Lebanese Parliament Speaker Nabih Berri, who was Hezbollah's negotiator during the 1985 TWA flight 847 hijacking during which Hezbollah tortured to death Navy Diver Robert Dean Stethem. Before that, he was the head of the Shi'ite Amal Militia, which has been absorbed into Hezbollah.

I happen to disagree strongly with Schlussel's shoot-from-the-hip style - but I have to give her credit, she's made herself into a media personality.

#194 j-damn:

He's pretty much broken every "rule" that Charles has laid down right here in this thread.

I know. Voices of sanity and reason are generally not allowed on LGF threads. It's inexplicable, really.

And, by the way, I gave up being polite to most of you yo-yos long ago. There are a few poster who still deserve a civil response from me, but the majority of you deserve only the brilliantly written contempt I dish out.

Greg,

Although I am not from there (my husband is), I have learned to love the area and the people. We spend half of the year up there and the other half on the blue part of the State (spit, spit!). We cannot wait to finally move there full time
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almostout...

It is beautiful there and have friends that live in Houghton (unfortunately they are professional moonbats) and visit occasionally until gasoline went apecrap in price. Better bring your own job up there, too.

Six months of winter but great deer hunting and a nice live and let live attitude...few people....

You arrogant prick. So typical.

Ronnie: you left out Schlussel's claim about the principal having Hizbullah "relatives." (That's all she says on that subject).

So we're both half-right. And my ponit about Schlussel's smear job remains valid in any case. People deserve to be tarred with their own acts, not those of others they happen to be related to.

The full court press has already begun in Dallas claiming these fine upstanding utes from a broad strata of Texan culture are merely "All-American businessmen" who were unfairly arrested for Driving While Arab.

Dallas Morning Taqqiyah

One of these fine people is a registered sex offender who was convicted in 1999 for indecency with a child by sexual contact involving a 5-year-old girl.

#201 jester6

(Academic discussion) I said that GSM is becoming obsolete compared to the wide-band emergin standards. But it will be around for a lot longer, in the developing countries and the marginal areas of the developed ones.

There must be more investigation on this story: what are these phones intended for (it may be illegal without being terrorism) and if there is any relation to the bridge. Considering the kind of world we live in the fact that Arabs/Muslims were involved makes a difference.

185 Earth2moonbat

This is "snotty" nodrog, with us today for our entertainment.

I can't keep track...it's like watching Cybil.

# 209 RR

Gotta love the way this reporter digs really deep to fact-find -- "Adham Othman, 21, whose exact address was unclear but likely lives in Mesquite"

/note -- he's the registered sex offender, you'd think it would be in the public interest to have his address on record!

195 TMF

Hi! Id like to buy 50,000 marbles please!

One the best movies EVER!

Jester,

Everybody photographs and videos the bridge. Hell, there's a State Police post on the north side of the bridge, and people park at the post to get a good shot of the bridge. The police know that well.

My guess is that there was something about the nature of the photographs or video that wasn't your normal tourist fare.

Perhaps there were shots of the understructure, cable moorings, etc.

Michigan State Police will be making a statement regarding the Mighty Mac terror threat at 2:30 p.m. EST

(Hello, to all fellow Michiganders [it's not Michiganians] out there.

The largest freshwater lake in the world is Lake Superior in Michigan, which has an area of 31,820 square miles.

Hence "Superior".

Some say that technically Lake Huron and Lake Michigan are really one body of water (the Mackinac Bridge crosses the strait that connects those two lakes).

Frankly, they are lakes in name only. They are inland seas, capable of carrying ocean going freighters.

Is the Semiconductor Industry Association aware their products (mostly made in China) are being "hijacked" by terrorists?

Sure hope these folks are helping our side instead of jihadists.

#208
I was curious and I went to the web page:

I found:
"Fordson Principal Imad Fadlallah is Hezbollah Spiritual Leader/Terrorist Mohammed Fadlallah's Cousin"

so the relation is disclosed not like we were lead to believe by Gordo-n

Is the loop closed now?

#214 ronnie schreiber

Exactly! My husband and I took the kids up to Sault St. Marie to see the locks, and on the way back we took a picture from the police post. No one stopped us. But our pictures were pictures of kids on the shore and the bridge in the background. If the police thought that the pictures and video were suspicious, they probably didn't look like your average tourist photos.

#213 Loppy

If you want to see life imitating art,Have you ever seen House minority leader Bradley Dorfman(Jones)

I dub thee, Flounder

Oh boy this is going to be great!

209 RoughRider
so I'll bet they filled taxes last year showing this income.
I'm sure they have receipts for this year and kept track of the milage too.

Gordo

It's not that most people on the thread dislike you.
But you do make some of the dummest remarks.

So most (me included) pound you for your statements.

I think that covers it. Now go away!

Press reports I've read stated that the suspects from Texas had pictures and other unnamed specifics about the Mackinac Bridge on a lap-top found in their car.

I guess these guy were just "tourists" who were so excited about the bridge's awesome sight that they had to quicky uploaded their pictures to their laptop and research other specifics on the bridge. They couldn't wait until they got home.

Sure...

#218 el brujo

You can never close a loop with Gordon. He's not loop back compatible.

#223 One_Shot_One_Kill

Some easy googling will get you more info than you ever wanted to know about the bridge.

216 Ronnie Schreiber

fact check time...

The Mackinac Strait connects Lake Michigan to Lake Huron. Lake Superior is nowhere near the Mackinac Bridge.

Superior is an awesome lake. No question there. It holds enough water to cover the contigious 48 States to a depth of 4', the waves are violent and come from all directions, and I don't think life jackets would do you much good if your boat sunk. You'd likely die of hypothermia before any rescue ships found you. CCCCold water. Major shrinkage factor!

And without a link to verify it, I do believe Superior is the 3rd largest freshwater lake, behind Lake Victoria and the Caspian Sea.

The world's second largest lake, and the world's largest freshwater lake is North America's Lake Superior at 31,700

226 Dummie.

I checked and Ronnie Schreiber at 216 was right. Nevermind. link

225:

Correct on Google. The point is, the photos were found on a lap-top, not a digital camera or picture phone.

There is also a time-line being established on these guys. A report I read somewhere noted that based upon a time-stamp on a receipt found in the car, investigators are saying that they made a bee-line for downstate after crossing the bridge, not making any other tourist-type stops along the way.

Just sayin...

How pathetic-Gordon using his profile to beg for attention from Charles.

SERIOUS GORDON QUESTIONS:

1) Charles-do you wuv me?
2) How much?

Quoth Gordo the Tardo

I know. Voices of sanity and reason are generally not allowed on LGF threads. It's inexplicable, really.

Sanity is calling another poster a "pussy"? Or moronically fantasizing that you were waiting to beat up said "pussy" outside of a bar in Fort Worth?

the majority of you deserve only the brilliantly written contempt I dish out.

Brilliantly written=

taxfreekiller = a pussy

Yep, that's brilliant all right.

Brilliant, also, is your constant bleating about how you think Charles has to answer your questions. Like he's got time between appearing on Fox News and Glenn Beck or whatever to take time out to answer the mosquito-like buzzing by you on this blog or to visit your stupid profile here.

How does it feel to be an inconsequential irrelevance? Obviously it has driven you around the bend as shown by your delusions of being in the Dallas metro area, but really, how does it feel?

Dallas was/is the headquarters of the Holy Land Foundation a group associated with Hamas. Mesquite is a suburb of Dallas. The HLF was based in Richardson, another suburb of Dallas.

A year ago, Daniel Pipes wrote this about Dallas...

Dallas Jews, Secrecy, and Security
August 23, 2005

A resident of Dallas, Texas recently sent me a report about the North American regional JCC Maccabi games, hosted on July 31-August 5, 2005 by the Dallas Jewish Community Center:

Held at the Resistol Arena in the suburb of Mesquite, the competition involved 1,400 athletes from the United States, Canada, Mexico, and Israel. Some three to four thousand spectators (in addition to the athletes) attended the opening ceremony, which included a keynote address by Mark Cuban, the charismatic owner of the Dallas Mavericks basketball team, reminiscing about his boyhood participation in JCC basketball leagues in Pittsburgh.

But an eerie secrecy surrounded the Maccabi games. They were well publicized within the Jewish community via the local Jewish press, synagogue newsletters, direct mail from Jewish community centers, and the internet. But the general Dallas media – television, radio and newspapers – barely mentioned them. Particularly striking was the marquee at the Resistol Arena, which did not indicate the activities within.

Also, security was intense. Those who wished to attend the opening ceremony or the athletic competitions had to pick up tickets in person from the JCC campus in North Dallas. Security on site included at least five staffed Mesquite police cars on the premises and many uniformed and armed officers in the arena. All spectators were screened at the door, with handbags prohibited in the arena.

I sent the above to Kenny Goldberg, one of the organizers of the Maccabi games, asking for comment. He pointed out in some detail what an impressive volunteer effort the games were, the benefits they brought to the participants, and the like, none of which I for a second doubt. He also called it "not accurate and even a little offensive" to describe the games as secret because

if you could talk to any of the 1,500 young Jewish athletes, their families, the 500 coaches and delegation heads, and particularly the more than 2,000 local volunteers and host families you would get a sense of the phenomenal results we were able to accomplish. This event electrified and energized our community and created life changing and lifelasting experiences for our "kids."

As for the lack of publicity, he informed me that there was

a plan in place to execute later in the week. The Dallas Morning News' religious and sports departments were contacted and encouraged to participate after opening ceremonies. Our media team was told to activate the general community with the same timing. I cannot tell you why this p.r. did not occur, only what the plan was.

Comment: (1) To me, observing from the outside, the reason for the quiet and the security seems obvious – a concern that Muslims would make some kind of trouble. In the city that hosts the Holy Land Foundation, the Elashi brothers, and Mufid Abdulqader, the Jewish community is understandably anxious. Such a prospect is made all the more real by the subsequent arrests in Los Angeles of Levar Haney Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson, and Hamad Riaz Samana (who had in their possession the addresses of synagogues, the Israeli Consulate and the El Al ticket counter at LAX).

(2) It was just a few years ago that American Jews met openly and publicly in Dallas and elsewhere, but this appears no longer to be the case. I take it as further proof of what I have been saying for some time, that the golden age of American Jewry is coming to an end. (August 23, 2005)

Wow. That idiot is still around? I thought he had gone off to live in a tree somewhere and work on his Daddy Issues.

Does he still do that thing where he spouts the same dumb left-wing urban legend (like Al Gore won Florida) over and over no matter how often it is refuted?

Gordo's central conceit is that all lizardoids are hate-filled ignorant bigots who fail to see what an enlightened, progressive, peaceful, and tolerant religion Islam truly is.

Yet, he has never risen to the challenge of starting his own weblog, which would catalog all of the progressive, enlightened, peaceful, and tolerant achievements of Modern Day Islam.

Ronnie: you left out Schlussel's claim about the principal having Hizbullah "relatives." (That's all she says on that subject).

So we're both half-right.

No, Gordon, you are completely wrong and dissembling. This is what you said.

Schlussel says that the Dearborn High Principal and his wife have "relatives" in Hizbullah (no mention of how close these relatives allegedly are). So they must be fired and deported, obviously.

Your "no mention" clause referred to both the Principal and his wife. "No" is an absolute. You can't be half-right when you get "no" wrong. Besides, DS, does describe the relationship of the principal to Hezb'allah's spiritual leader. They are cousins.

From a photo caption on Schlussel's post on the Fadlallahs.

Hezbollah High: Fordson Principal Imad Fadlallah is Hezbollah Spiritual Leader/Terrorist Mohammed Fadlallah's Cousin

So saying they were relatives was not "all she says on the subject."

When you use words like "no" and "all", just one exception proves you wrong.

While I agree that Schlussel didn't establish the exact degree of cosanguinuity with Mohammed Fadlallah - we don't know if they are first cousins or distant cousins - she did indicate the basic nature of the relationship.

The Fadlallah clan is deeply entrenched in Hezb'allah.

#235 --- Just so you know, truths that contradict Gordo's prejudices don't count, in his eyes.

So Ronnie, you think individuals are guilty by association with their relatives?

(Sigh) I thought you were different.

I thought he had gone off to live in a tree somewhere and work on his Daddy Issues.

As I’ve stated before, I suspect Gordon grew up in one of those households with two mommies, thus his insatiable need for male attention.

For some reason, Gordo has latched onto Charles as the alpha-male figure in his life.

I’m just wondering if Gord exposes his genitals and pees in submission whenever Charles posts in the comment section of whatever thread nodroG happens to be reading.

And, by the way, in terms of volume, I believe this is the biggest freshwater lake in the world:

[Link: www.irkutsk.org...]

Dallas was/is the headquarters of the Holy Land Foundation a group associated with Hamas. Mesquite is a suburb of Dallas. The HLF was based in Richardson, another suburb of Dallas.

A year ago, Daniel Pipes wrote this about Dallas...

Dallas Jews, Secrecy, and Security
August 23, 2005

A resident of Dallas, Texas recently sent me a report about the North American regional JCC Maccabi games, hosted on July 31-August 5, 2005 by the Dallas Jewish Community Center:

Held at the Resistol Arena in the suburb of Mesquite, the competition involved 1,400 athletes from the United States, Canada, Mexico, and Israel. Some three to four thousand spectators (in addition to the athletes) attended the opening ceremony, which included a keynote address by Mark Cuban, the charismatic owner of the Dallas Mavericks basketball team, reminiscing about his boyhood participation in JCC basketball leagues in Pittsburgh.

But an eerie secrecy surrounded the Maccabi games. They were well publicized within the Jewish community via the local Jewish press, synagogue newsletters, direct mail from Jewish community centers, and the internet. But the general Dallas media – television, radio and newspapers – barely mentioned them. Particularly striking was the marquee at the Resistol Arena, which did not indicate the activities within.

Also, security was intense. Those who wished to attend the opening ceremony or the athletic competitions had to pick up tickets in person from the JCC campus in North Dallas. Security on site included at least five staffed Mesquite police cars on the premises and many uniformed and armed officers in the arena. All spectators were screened at the door, with handbags prohibited in the arena.

I sent the above to Kenny Goldberg, one of the organizers of the Maccabi games, asking for comment. He pointed out in some detail what an impressive volunteer effort the games were, the benefits they brought to the participants, and the like, none of which I for a second doubt. He also called it "not accurate and even a little offensive" to describe the games as secret because

if you could talk to any of the 1,500 young Jewish athletes, their families, the 500 coaches and delegation heads, and particularly the more than 2,000 local volunteers and host families you would get a sense of the phenomenal results we were able to accomplish. This event electrified and energized our community and created life changing and lifelasting experiences for our "kids."

As for the lack of publicity, he informed me that there was

a plan in place to execute later in the week. The Dallas Morning News' religious and sports departments were contacted and encouraged to participate after opening ceremonies. Our media team was told to activate the general community with the same timing. I cannot tell you why this p.r. did not occur, only what the plan was.

Comment: (1) To me, observing from the outside, the reason for the quiet and the security seems obvious – a concern that Muslims would make some kind of trouble. In the city that hosts the Holy Land Foundation, the Elashi brothers, and Mufid Abdulqader, the Jewish community is understandably anxious. Such a prospect is made all the more real by the subsequent arrests in Los Angeles of Levar Haney Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson, and Hamad Riaz Samana (who had in their possession the addresses of synagogues, the Israeli Consulate and the El Al ticket counter at LAX).

(2) It was just a few years ago that American Jews met openly and publicly in Dallas and elsewhere, but this appears no longer to be the case. I take it as further proof of what I have been saying for some time, that the golden age of American Jewry is coming to an end. (August 23, 2005)

fact check time...

The Mackinac Strait connects Lake Michigan to Lake Huron. Lake Superior is nowhere near the Mackinac Bridge.

Actually, Lake Superior is only 60 miles from the bridge. The UP is about 300 miles east to west and between 60 and 150 miles north to south. With a small mountain range west of Marquette (the Porcupine Mtns), and three large lakes a short distance away, the watershed is dramatic and there are at least 200 named waterfalls in the UP.

Superior is an awesome lake. No question there. It holds enough water to cover the contigious 48 States to a depth of 4', the waves are violent and come from all directions, and I don't think life jackets would do you much good if your boat sunk. You'd likely die of hypothermia before any rescue ships found you. CCCCold water. Major shrinkage factor!

Depends the time year. On sunny days when the temperature is up around 80, the prevailing winds blow the warm surface waters shoreward and you can swim comfortably. In the Porkies we discovered a really cool little cove that's about 4 feet deep that fills with warm water and has big breakers. My ex calls it God's Own Wave Pool. However, most of the time the water is about 60 degrees. When the showers at the nearby state park have been closed (we camped in more rustic state and nat'l forest campgrounds) I have bathed in Superior. Fastest bath I ever have.

Shrinkage? It don't get any smaller than that. So cold it almost makes your testicles ascend.

So Ronnie, you think individuals are guilty by association with their relatives?

(Sigh) I thought you were different.

I'm just heartbroken that I've disappointed you Gordon.

I haven't advocated deporting them or said they are guilty. I was just pointing out that you were wrong. Something you haven't admitted.

I have plenty of relatives that differ with me in terms of politics and religious outlook, so it is possible that the Fadlallah/Berri family are not Hezb'allah supporters. However, Dearborn is home to the Bint Jbail "Cultural Center" and Hezb'allah has massive support among Shiah there.

Until Mr. and Mrs. Fadlallah openly distance themselves from Hezb'allah and condemn its terrorism, I think the prudent default position should be to assume that they are Hezb'allah supporters.

Tell me, Gordon, if you were forced to make a bet, which way would you bet?

And, by the way, in terms of volume, I believe this is the biggest freshwater lake in the world:

That's by volume, not area. Superior is the largest by area.

#239

And, by the way, in terms of volume, I believe this is the biggest freshwater lake in the world:

How nice, now Gordo wants to make small talk.

Gordo why don't you just zip on over to KOS.
I just bet there is a bunch of people over there dying to chat with you.

Orson Buggy, nicely done.

Can we stop using Debbie Schlussel as a source of "information" now?...
FBI: No Terror Groups in Cell Phone Case

The FBI said Monday it had no information to indicate that the three Texas men arrested with about 1,000 cell phones in their van had any connections to a known terrorist group.

So, the U.S. Coast Guard sets its tasking based upon unsubstantiated news reports?

They don't call the FBI or the MSP to verify the alledged threat before stepping up patrols?

Interesting...

#244 dustoff: If you wanted an echo chamber, sorry to disappoint you.

I'm sure there is a right wing site that models itself after Kos and Der Sturmer that doesn't allow dissenting voices. Perhaps you would be more comfortable there.

#246 Killgore Trout:

But, don't you understand? The LGF illiterati WANT to believe it, just SO SO much. And, if they believe it long enough, VOILA, it will come true!

The parallels with Kos-world are eerie. And pathetic.

But, of course, ol' Deb says it's all a big FBI secrecy conspiracy:
[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]
What a wanker. Or, in this case, wankerette. From the looks of it, Ms. Schlussel is going for the 2nd rate Ann Coulter award.

And it's hard to be second rate to someone who's a bottom-feeder, don't you think, Deb?

Ready to repudiate this story yet, Charles?

#249 Gordon
Having recently been banned from Dkos for the crime of dissent, I can safely say we're nowhere near that level censorship. The only person here that can remove your posts here is Charles (unlike Dkos where there is a whole host of elites who can do it). Sure, there are people here who'd rather have an echo chamber but they'll never get it.

The FBI says the youths are not terrorist.

The Tuscola county prosecuter will not release them yet. BUT he will have a press conference tomorrow morning.
The OHio prosecuter will be releasing the youths

Given the FBI's propensity to act like the Mayor in Jaws in cases like this, I'd like to hear what the other law enforcement agencies have to say.

Gordon #124,

And, unfortunately, radical Islam is the newest messianic cult that will attract all sorts of nuts. It's following in the squalid footsteps of 19th century anarchism and 20th century fascism and communism.

Wrong.

If they were targeting the bridge, my guess would be not to blow up the bridge but the annual Labor Day walk when there are thousands of people on there.

It's the only day pedestrians are allowed.

Excerpt:
Thousands of people journey to northern Michigan every year to participate in the annual Mackinac Bridge walk. The 47-year tradition draws between 50,000 and 65,000 participants each year. bridge.org/ "[Link: www.mackinacbridge.org...]

Seeing as I live ON Lake Superior --it's 50 feet out my front door --it is also Gitchee Gummee (Ojibwa) from the Hiawatha poem.

And, the lake is rough today!

Just for the record:

Lake Superior is the world's second largest lake and the world's largest freshwater lake.

grayp (#81)

Just seeing your post now.

I wonder if the US just told him to back down because of the Aug 31 deadline on Iran coming up at the UN?

It could be something along those lines. Look, he was tough and then kind of crumpled. Something happened, we just don't know what.

Oh, and also for the enquiring minds --Lake Superior is NOT too cold for swimming in the summer.

It's not "pool temp" but certainly pleasant enough. I still swim in it and I no "youngun."

Yes, it is an awesome lake.

Here's another "trivia." Unlike the ocean where the waves peak at shore --Lake Superior waves peak in the middle and ease down as they reach shore.

That's the danger to the ore boats.

Nancy,

As a kid, Lake Michigan was about 100 yards (and about a hundred steps down the dune) from my door.

I bet I went swimming in "my" lake more often than you swim in "yours."

Heh..

By the way, Lake Michigan water temperature (southern half of the LP) during the recent heat wave, when air temperatures stayed in the mid-70s overnight, was 80 degrees.

Ahhhhhh....

Nancy, where on Superior? I've spent some time on the coast.

Hey, if we're not allowed to bring drinking water and shampoo on planes, then people of some certain ethnic persuasions shoulnd't be allowed to buy more than one cell phone. Sound fair?

Crossed that bridge a few weeks ago on my way to the Shipwreck Museum in Whitefish Point. It is truly a breathtaking sight when you round the last curve and it unfolds into view. A stunning achievement.

#263 ronnie schreiber

I have a place in Aura --Between L'Anse and Huron Mountains.

Born in Hancock, grew up in L'Anse, spent 40 years in Chicago area --came back!

262 One_Shot_One_Kill

Lake Michigan is warmer --I have swam there many times as well.

Superior isn't bad though --especially when it hits 100 degrees several days in a row as it did a couple weeks ago. Feels quite nice!

#263 ronnie schreiber ---Since you are familiar with the lake, I am on the south shore of Keweenaw Bay

Maybe I am taking the wording too literally but the FBI did not say there had been no intent, they said NO IMMINENT THREAT.

Of course, if the intent was foiled before it got off the ground, there would be no imminent threat.

Also it says the FBI has no information linking the men to terrorits groups.

I don't think that is the same as saying there is NO EVIDENCE linking the men to terrorism.

The wording sounds "careful" to me.

Nancy ,
I have been on a few underwater excursions in Gitchee Goomie /sp did some U/W video's there. around Grand Island.

269 jpsfudimo 8/14/2006 04:29PM PDT
Nancy ,
I have been on a few underwater excursions in Gitchee Goomie /sp did some U/W video's there. around Grand Island.

#269: Cool.

I Keep thinking of a dry suit for swimming in cooler weather --ha ha.

Gitchee Gummee

...

I did my diving in late August. It was still Brrrrr kinda cool.

I climded up to the top of Miners Castle from the lake side. The poor tourists/lopers/fudgies got a picture of guy drinking a Bud on the top of the rock. :)

Correction on Gitche Gumee: Longfellow spells it with only one "m" --I have seen it spelled with two.

By the shores of Gitche Gumee,
By the shining Big-Sea-Water,
Stood the wigwam of Nokomis,
Daughter of the Moon, Nokomis.
Dark behind it rose the forest,
Rose the black and gloomy pine-trees,
Rose the firs with cones upon them;
Bright before it beat the water,
Beat the clear and sunny water,
Beat the shining Big-Sea-Water.

272 jpsfudimo --the water is nice for swimming now --August, but getting out into deep water, it would still be COLD.

I used to waterski with a sweatshirt on. Falling out in the deep water was not pleasant!

Nancy,

The first thermcline in Superior seems to be at about 6" after that things go realy cool from there. Personal experience says dont go deep without a wetsuit.

How long have you been up there?

I haven't read this whole thread yet.

From Scummy Debbie Schlussel to the wonders of Lake Superior.

This thread has decidedly taken a turn for the better!

nodroG,

I are impress you heh.

Now go back to DU or KOS and tell some there that you were aknowledged not GAZED by someone from LFG.

Later Dude...,,,,,

274 jpsfudimo --

All my life --sort of. I grew up here, moved away, went to school, married, raised some kids and my family always lived here so I returned every summer to my cabin--living in the Chicago area for 40years.

Husband passed away in 96 --I ended up buying another house 200 feet away from the cabin.

So, know I am up here almost year around. A place for me and a place for the kids and their families!

I am on the south shore of Keweenaw Bay --the lake is 50 feet out my front door.

274 jpsfudimo 8/14/2006 04:57PM PDT
Nancy,

The first thermcline in Superior seems to be at about 6" after that things go realy cool from there. Personal experience says dont go deep without a wetsuit.

#274 ---Since I swim alone many times, I don't go out deep. Not without someone else around.

Half the time, I am floating in my nice water lounger complete with beverage holder. ha ha.

Nancy,
I am sorry for the late reply I was up thread sending a link to the blog.
You have a partner in Heaven watching you at the shore of Heaven.

I hope that was not inapropriate.

It just came to mind because where you live is so close.

79 jpsfudimo ----

No that was nice.

My late husband was from Chicago, but his final resting place is up here --his request.

When I was growing up here we used to say it was God's country --because no one else wanted it!

Referencing the battle of "who" would get it. I guess, though I can't recall --Michigan really wanted the northern part of Ohio --got stuck with the UP instead!

Nancy if you are still out there. check out my website it says something about me.

[Link: mjpconsults.net...]

Nancy,

Referencing the battle of "who" would get it. I guess, though I can't recall --Michigan really wanted the northern part of Ohio --got stuck with the UP instead!

I think we won on that deal.
Who needs Toledo.

281 jpsfudimo --yes, that's how I would vote too if I were a Michigan resident.

Still an Illinois resident --eventually will make this my primary residence.

Nancy,

The voting thing is not the part of the site I was refering to. It is the other links to the Patriot Guard Photos. That is some of my volunteer work that I love to do.

I'm a support our troops kinda guy.